Shaun Newman Podcast - #480 - Tanner Hnidey

Episode Date: August 18, 2023

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First, I got to give a warm thank you or a shout out to Gary from the Freedom Network, working on a little project of his, and he'd been working on me to come out this way, and I kept saying no, I kept saying no, and finally I relented and came out, and it's been, well, it's been an interesting couple of days. We were in Salmon Arm last night with a whole cast of characters, which was very interesting. You know, of course, some of the names you probably know very well, Tamara Leach, Kitt Carson, a few that I'd never met before, you know, I'm sitting at Ted Kuntz's place, and while I've just, the cast characters goes on and on and

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Welcome to the Shaw and Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Tanner Nadey. So, sir, thanks for coming back in. It's been a little bit. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's so much fun. It's my favorite podcast to be on far and away. So much fun.

Well, I'll, well, I appreciate that. It helps that we can do, you know, like when you do, I've seen you on Layton Gray. Oh, yeah. And, you know, obviously he was just in here about a week ago. Yep. And anytime you can do a podcast in studio with somebody, it doesn't matter how good it is when you do it like I've done vance crow in particular I think I've done it three times where I've been on his side and two of them have been virtual one's been in person one in person is like night and day better

it's just it's just so much better absolutely so much more organic always yeah well and you can read and and see a body language and to me like you know that that goes so far yeah yep yep on unspoken forms of communication which I would say the society is losing you know even with you look at COVID with the masks I think that played, I mean, from what I've heard from other educators, that's played a huge part in the development of children or their inability to, yeah, notice unspoken forms of communication. What is your dad, like your parent, I don't want you to speak for your parents,

but, like, I mean, your dad taught for a very long time. Yeah, that's right. Was he, like, mass in the classroom? How are they going to, or is he like, ah, at a certain age, it doesn't matter? Because I assume that the Nadez had this discussion from time to time. Yeah, oh, no, my whole family is very freedom. oriented. So dad taught for, well, yeah, 30 some years.

He's still tutors now and so on. And no, his, he certainly, at least when he was teaching, would rely on students' body language to see how they were reacting to the lessons that were being taught. And, you know, as he tutors now, he says, you don't, you can't understand until you actually interact with these poor kids, how much they, how far behind they are now from what they should be because of that lost year. It was devastating.

It was devastating. because he teaches mathematics. And the math curriculum, he says, is already, and I believe him, is already losing ground because of this progressive agenda to completely remake math. You know, I read an article the other day. What do you mean remake math? Well, I read an article the other day where a woman was talking about how math was racist. It's so nonsensical.

But it's, you know, for progressives, the problem with things like mathematics is that it's objectively true. I mean, things are objectively true or false. But progressivism, this new modern age of thinking of thought, says actually objective truth isn't true. And they say that like it's an objective truth. But anyways, they say objective truth isn't true, subjective truth is. But mathematics, it is objectively true. 2 plus 2 is 4 or 3 plus 3 is 6. And so you can see already the beginnings of the remaking of curriculum.

But at any rate, so dad says even with that, you look at now how far these poor kids are behind. their classes just because they missed that critical year or a year and a half learning what they were not learning what they were supposed to. I'm as we're doing this, I'm going to put that on Twitter. I'm like, what is racist these days? Everything's everything, everything. Because one of the ones that me and two's joked about not that long ago was working out, right?

Like being fit. I'm like, now I feel like you're just gaslighting the entire population, right? It's true. And when something, when a word means anything, it really means nothing. It means nothing at all. Like, okay, so, and I think the reason that they're, okay, so you go to university, and clearly the liberal arts have already been taken over by progressives, the sciences are next, because the sciences, they're objectively true, of course, but they're not very good at politics. That isn't their, that isn't their forte. Their forte is studying scientific disciplines. But at any rate, suppose that you want, suppose that you want to transform the world's thinking into believing that an individual can be two or more, they them, pronouns they them. If you want to do that, then first you have to make the society

believe that one plus zero can be two. You have to completely remake math because an individual is one, but we have this new movement to hear that, or to speak that my pronouns are they them. So you have to act like I'm plural, even though I'm an individual. And if you want to do that, then first you have to say actually two plus two can be five or one plus zero can be two. That's what people are saying. So it would make sense that they're trying to completely remodel math as well. And other biology, of course. Chemistry, I don't know yet, but you know what I mean? And want to remodel it and use it for their objectives, whatever they might be.

Yeah, the they-them thing is interesting, isn't it? Isn't it? Like, I mean, once again, young kids, I got young kids. So, you know, have they been affected by this? I don't think so, but you know, at the same time, they're little sponges. And I know they pick up way more than a, and I'm just like, I don't, like, they, them thing is just it's like what yeah you know like you know I keep saying I actually just got a lovely discussion I want to say it was heated it was a good it was a good discussion yeah about like

you know by encouraging after 18 even you're perpetuating the problem I'm like to me I'm like after 18 you want to do what you want to do go do it but when you start pushing it back into the school system into young kids and you know like I'm like that that doesn't make any sense to me like I yeah and yet here we are yeah it's completely contrary to the thought completely irrational to say an individual can be they them unless I heard I don't remember who it was it might have been a man named Seth Gruber who's a brilliant he's a thinker anyways I heard that that he was talking about this he was talking about the they them movement and he was saying it actually make it actually makes sense that some

individuals called themselves they them because they're full of demons legion you look at the scriptures and there's a story about a demon-possessed man and he comes out and he says we are legion. It's a name legion. It's a, it's a bone-chilling story. So there are multiple demons that have infested this man and then of course they're cast out. But at any rate, then it would make sense. Then it would make sense. Other than that, the individual's an individual. It's this complete, it's this complete, it's the complete rewriting of logic, thought, speech so that anyone can do basically anything at all. Well, I told, Oh, boy.

Demons and everything else. I told when I invited Tanner on him, like, you know, I just, I had a list of things I wanted to bring up. And demons wasn't one of them, but Satan sure was. And I'd watch this video, and it was something along the lines of if you're going to fight the enemy, you first have to know who your enemy was. Or is, sorry. And so it started talking about Satan. And what it reminded me of is there was this movie back in the early 90s, the usual suspects.

Okay. And at the end of it, it's Kevin Spacey. Okay. And he says, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing everyone he didn't exist. And anyways, so the guy in the video is talking about, don't underestimate the devil. We make them to be this horned, funny, and we try and poke fun. And he goes, but if you read the scripture, Jesus never makes fun of him. Right.

Never pokes at him. one of the things he said was and I was curious your thoughts on this because so I wrote okay so he said he is the prince of this world yes yes and the second one he had is Jesus said my heavenly father is God of everything but of this world Satan is God

good question both of them are good questions okay so you go back so everything starts with Genesis I think the church but the society as a whole has so neglected Genesis it's a tragedy because upon that book, man's entire worldview is built. So you go back to the first few chapters of Genesis. God builds the world, creates the world, creates everything in it, puts man on it,

man lives in this garden of eating on top of this mountain, acting as a representative for Adam and Eve are acting as representatives for the whole human race, interacting with God, they're perfect, etc. Then, of course, one day, they do the one thing they're not to do. It's this very easy command, don't eat that fruit, and they do it. it's not a difficult command to keep, but they do so because they were tempted by Satan or by the serpent. And then as a consequence, the world falls.

You know, the entire man, as a consequence of man's sin, the entire race falls. Everything's corrupted. This is what Paul says in Romans. And so then through that, because sin is reigning on the earth or was reigning on the earth, it's true. Satan is prince of this world.

That's an accurate statement to make. And that's actually reiterated in the story of the Tower of Babel. So there's actually, if you're, for your listeners, there's a scholar named Michael Heiser. He recently passed away, but he's brilliant. And he talks about how at the Tower of Babel, you have one nation led by one man named Nimrod, this mighty, mighty hunter. And they say, let's build a great tower. Let's build a massive structure to reach the heavens, basically, to make ourselves gods. And so they do so. They build this colossal structure. And as they're doing so, God looks up from heaven and says, or looks down from heaven and says, you know, these individuals are

becoming excessively powerful. These people will do whatever they want. They'll do whatever they put their minds to. So we have to scatter them. They're rebelling against what I've designed. And so God does. So he scatters the nations, these people among the earth with, you know, different languages and such. But when you read the scriptures, you see that, and when you investigate them a little bit deeper than just a superficial reading, you see that each new nation that's been created from Babel, or from Babel, however you say it, is given its own prince, its own fallen prince that rules over them. So, just for example, say you have from the Tower of Babel, you have Nation X, you have Nation Y, you have Nation Z, okay?

Nation X is given its own little God to rule or who rules over them, who's bad. Nation Y, same thing, Nation Z, etc. And all of them are under the rule of Satan, it's true. And so the whole story of Scripture is really, God's triumph over Satan's kingdom, over this kingdom of the fallen earth, to then make it, to then make it his own. Now, it's true that Satan's still working in the world, of course, and sin is still in the world.

But again, Christ is coming back to, I mean, he defeated it once at the cross, he defeated sin at the cross, and he's coming back very soon to defeat the enemy, throw him in hell once for all time. So it's a good, it's true, the world is still fallen. It's a tale of two kingdoms, really. That's why Dickens, that tale of two cities resonates because it's the same, it's just a story of mankind. It's a tale of two kingdoms.

There's a kingdom of heaven, and there's a kingdom of earth. And it's like, which kingdom do you want to be a part of? You're going to be a part of one, whether you're the part of the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of earth. And the kingdom of heaven is coming soon to exercise dominion over the earth. I wish I'd written this down, because you're hitting on something that I'm, I'm, I've, uh, somebody was, uh, had sent, uh, Steve Holmstrom. Is that name?

Okay. Um, maybe. The oil field pulpit. Oh, yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.

Anyways, um, I was talking with, uh, uh, it's an interesting little group I've slowly cultivated with the podcast. Anyways, his name came up again. And it's been coming up now for, you know, I don't know, probably since the first time I had you on. Mm-hmm. And I was, you know, sometimes I drag my feet, folks. Sometimes it just like, everything just strikes.

Like, oh, it's supposed to happen this time, right. You know, you can kind of feel it. Anyways, he's got an audio book, so I started listening to it and reached out to him, and it sounds like he's going to come on, you know, when, we'll make that happen. But what you're talking about is this two kingdom thing. Yes. And so I was reading Corinthians, and this is where we're going to pick on Tanner's brain

and see if he recalls what I'm talking about. But there's, there's, I don't want to say Corinthians 10, but, you know, somewhere right in there. It's talking about, like, you can follow me or you, and see this is where I wish I'd, man, I'm going to butcher this, because I wish I had it on me. Now, this is why I wanted to, anyways, I had this all worked out in my head.

But regardless, it's basically, if you want to follow me, follow me, and if you don't, you know, you won't have a seat at the table. And it's talking about this. And I'm like, okay, well, it makes sense, except, I'm like, for some reason, it feels like there's more to what he's trying to say. And so then I started listening to the off of him. puppet and I hope this makes sense it's like you can't get into the kingdom of God and I hope I'm saying this right yeah if you you know adulter one of them's homosexual one of them's if you steal

one of them and it has a huge list and yet and yet yes the thief on the cross yes saved instantly because he believes yes and so there's these two I'm like and so the oil field pulpit is talking about it okay and you just said it there's the two kingdoms and I'm like Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now let's try and hash this out because I'm a little bit confused. Yes.

Because, you know, like I sit and I've, you know, I've been reading, I've been, I've gone now through one of them. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, Corinthians. Nice, yeah. And I listen to some Christians talk. Yeah. And I disagree with them because I haven't heard Jesus say what they're talking about. And then I listened a little bit more and I read a couple things. I'm like, that's really confusing.

and then I listened to the oilfield pulpits start talking about it. And then I was reading Corinthians and I'm like, oh, there's something I'm missing here. And I text a friend, well, the cowboy preacher folks. And he started laughing and then he started tight. And anyways, so here I said, two kingdom. It doesn't make sense to me. Or it does because I'm staring at it going, there's something, I'm like just scraping the surface up. Right.

I'd like to understand a bit more if I could. Sure. So with Paul's, it's a good question. with Paul's statement that, you know, the adulterers, the so on, the fornicators, et cetera, won't enter the kingdom of heaven. What he's talking about isn't that he isn't saying those who are saved and yet sin won't enter the kingdom. That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is those who are still in sin and who refuse to repent and believe in Christ won't enter the kingdom of heaven.

That's what the purpose of that scripture is. You know, Paul's, I mean the entire scripture, but Paul's means, messages in particular are so devoted to grace to this to the to the to the to the guarantee that man can't be saved by works by an by an absence of bad works or um an excess of good works that isn't what saves him instead what saves him is grace it's why galatians in particular but also romans actually all of them but galatians in particular is so focused on the truth of grace one's galatians Is that after Corinthians? First and second Corinthians, Galatians.

Yeah, Galatians and Ephesians. I got a little bit. It's going to be great. Yeah, right after Second Corinthians, it's Galatians. Every time I talk to Tanner, he's like, oh, you got to, you know, you should read this. I'm like, I know, I'm working on, I'm working on it. But that's, but that's what he means, though. He says, actually, so you have two kingdoms, kingdom of heaven, kingdom of earth.

You can just as easily substitute those names with kingdom of grace and kingdom of law or kingdom of works. The kingdom of grace is God's kingdom. The kingdom of works is man's king. is Earth's kingdom. There are two entirely separate things. One says you get to the Father through Jesus Christ, through believing in Him. The other says you get to the Father through yourself, through doing good works, through not fornicating, through not being an adulterer, through not lying, or through help, or by helping the old lady cross the street, et cetera, et cetera. And the scriptures are clear, and they say there is only one way to the Father, which is through Christ, through

believing in Christ. It's not through works. Yeah. It's really the lie of Satan is that, yeah, works, you can be saved by works. That's a very fundamental lie of his. I think this is, this is the power of Google, folks. Maybe, and we all know what's listening to me. So I typed in a bunch of brief, hoping I get to it. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too. You cannot partake in the table of the Lord and the table of demons too. And I'm like, it makes sense, except it's like, well, I come all the way full back circle to it. It's, the, the, the, the, The table of the demons, yes.

Okay, you brought up, is like, there's a lot in the world that would be sitting at that table. That's exactly correct. Like, I don't know how better to,

like, you're absolutely right. Because it's like, oh, do all right things and believe in, and you're at the table of the Lord, but he doesn't,

that's not how it breaks it down in the book, right? Like, it says there's a lot of things, you know. Oh, yes. They could put you sitting at the table,

you know, and I'm like, okay, so you got to be a bloody saint? You're sainted through Christ I you know it sounds arrogant but every I mean I'm a saint Not because I'm this

Brilliant man No certainly not but because Christ has saved me That's why Yep it's that You know I'm a saint The janitor who believes in Christ is a saint Moses is a saint All of every individual who's ever lived

Who's believed in the Almighty God For salvation through Jesus Christ Is a saint Is this perfect creature Even though I still fall Of course I still sin. I sin every day. I hate it, but I do it because of my fallen nature. This is the problem that Paul has too in Romans 7. He's just furious with himself because he's like, I know what to do. He's like, but I don't do it because I'm this fallen creature. So he's like,

who on earth will rescue me from sin and death? And he's like, thanks be to God that Jesus Christ came to earth, died for my sins, and rescued me because through his blood, I'm declared righteous. It's, I think it's Isaiah 118. It's in Isaiah 1 where God says, come now. He's like, your sins are like scarlet. But here, I'll make them white as wool. I'll make them whiter than snow. So that even though you've done these bad things,

through the salvation of Christ, you'll be clean. Yeah. So it's true. You can't drink at the cup of demons, or drink at the table of demons and the table of Christ. It's the same thing as saying you can't say that 2 plus 2 is 4 and 2 plus 2 is 5 at the same time. It's logically incoherent.

It doesn't make sense. You can't say that I am, I have blonde hair and black hair. I don't. I have blonde hair. You can't, the two can't exist at once. Just it's a logical. Yet the two tables exist at once. The two tables can exist at once.

That's true. That's true, but you can't sit at both of them. Who can, who? Yeah, you can't sit at both of them. It's true. So you have. But you can, not at the same time. Yeah, that's right.

That's true. The vast majority of the world is sitting at the table of deep. That's absolutely correct. You're right about that. So which means you from time to time, or lots of times are going to be sitting at the... No, not quite. Oh, no, because once you're at the seat of Christ,

there you stay. Once you've been saved by the Lord, you're at that table. Yeah. So once the... There's a reason that Christ uses the image of a shepherd. Insofar as, he says, I'm a good shepherd,

and there are lost sheep. Fair enough. You know, there's a lost sheep and he's gone astray. He's gone where he's not supposed to. But the sheep is still the shepherds. So even if the sheep or the little lamb has wandered off outside of the gate and he's in who knows where, he's in no man's land, he shouldn't where he's not supposed to be, he's still the shepherd's sheep. Yeah, he's still the sheep of the shepherd. He's still owned by the shepherd, even though he's backslidden, maybe is the word.

Hebrews 6, 4 to 6 is also a good thing to read. Yeah, that's an excellent passage to read because it talks about how no one who's basically tasted the heavenly gift, who's seen the powers of the Almighty, who's, there's a list of them, you know, who's done this and that, basically who's experienced the Almighty God

and yet has said no and has fallen away can come, actually, it's a very, it's a very heavy passage because it talks about how those individuals who have tasted the heavenly gift and yet have said, I don't want it. I'm walking away. The Hebrews are like, good luck coming back to the Almighty. And yet, screw tape letters, that's right. That's exactly what they do. They lull you back to sleep. That's right. Now, be careful with screw tape. Insofar as it's a brilliant book, but there are things in that book which don't agree with scripture.

Lewis was still or never quite understood the truth of grace because the idea of screw tape, it's too bad because it's a brilliant book, fundamentally flawed insofar as the whole book is a demon, wormwood, wormwood, trying to capture his patient, his patient, away from God. But it isn't your hold of God which saves you.

It's his hold of you. It's God's hold of you, which saves you. So the actual premise of screw tape is flawed. Insofar as it acts like, once a believer is saved by grace, he can be lost. It's not true.

It's not true. It's God has, well, Ephesians 1, 4 to 5 is clear. God is chosen. chosen you for adoption to sonship. And so once you're saved, you're saved. It's like being, you have a father and a mother.

You might go to jail for some crime. You might commit some criminal act. You might do reprehensible things. You're still that child of your father and mother. That can't be changed. It can't be changed. Logically, it's impossible. You are that child of your mother and your father, no matter what you do.

Yet you could fall away. Yes, there are backsliders. You think about it. just in our little area. And I'm not going to like, it's not like I can list them off. Right, of course. But there's going to be somebody who is devout. Yes.

Close, believed, everything. Yes. Has something come along in life that shakes his foundation. Slips, slides away. Yes. That can happen. That can. That happens very often.

So then you go from the table of God to the devil demons like that. Yes. Ah, so now this is why in the scriptures, what you see all the time, all the time, is the command not to judge a man. Well, first of all, Jesus says, don't judge less you be judged. But at any rate, he says, don't judge a man based on the outside, but focus on the heart. You know, we often got the question at camp. What happens, for example, to those who backslide? Or what happens to this person and that person at the judgment?

And the answer was always the same insofar as when you read Revelation 113 to 16, John sees a vision of Jesus and he's like, his eyes are like blazing fire. It's like he sees right through you. He pierces that soul and he knows exactly what you believe or don't believe. And so the question of what will happen to those people is God's eternally just. And it's really an answer that every man has to, or it's a question every man has to ask himself. Do I believe in Christ or do I not? Because it's true that from the outside we might see backsliding.

Fair enough. Fine. man, you know, say his wife dies or something. And then he lives the next 30 years at the bar. Who knows? I don't know. You know, that's just some example. So we can see that. What we can't see is what a man would be like without Christ. So I think I read this from Lewis too.

It might be, for example, that man becomes a Christian. And he drinks two gallons of alcohol every day. I'm being exaggerating, of course. But he does that. And it's like, that's not good. But suppose he weren't a Christian. Maybe he would drink four or something. six gallons every day. Maybe every day is a battle, is this difficult battle for him to just drink that. And of course, he sanctified the nearer he gets to the Lord. But at any rate, the advantage that

God has, which we don't, is he knows that that man would be like if he wasn't in the position he was in, or if he didn't have Christ, or who knows what. So the message for Christians as individuals is basically the same for all of us, which is if man is saved by Christ, if he believes in him for salvation. He's saved once for all time. That's the message of John 635 to 40. It's the message of every Christian is a child of God. He's not a guest in God's house that can be kicked out. He's an actual child. He has an inheritance which cannot be denied him because of the blood of Christ. And yet to those individuals who are backsliding, God knows if your profession of faith was, you know, based on a lie or if you never really believed.

or who knows what, but that's not for we as individuals to judge. Because we can't, we can't. It's impossible. But for God, it's not. And he does. But for the person listening who's, you know, cheating on his wife or vice versa, or, I don't know, drinking too much. Sure.

I mean, in the oil field, that's not a surprise, right? Of course, of course. Drugs on and on, maybe theft. I don't know that. I don't know. Like, to me it's like, well, so how do you come back from it? How do you reconcile the two? Thank you.

Yeah. It's a good question too. But again, the answer is the, you know, when I was at camp, when I was counseling at camp, we would get so many campers, teenage campers, well, actually campers of all ages, but particularly teenage males, because that's how you know you'd have guys and girl cabins. And they'd be struggling with particular sins, you know, and they'd be struggling very desperately. And what we found was the vast majority of them were so frightened that if they sinned, they would lose their salvation, that they couldn't stop sinning.

This is the message of Romans 5, 6, 7, and 8. Basically, Paul says this. And actually Galatians 2, but it's actually Galatians 3 is an excellent. 3, 2 to 6 is an excellent example of this. But at any rate, in Romans particularly 6, 7, and 8, Paul goes, he goes, listen, we have this law that says don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, don't do all of those things. and he says actually the purpose of that law he goes it sounds weird but if you can believe it the purpose of giving that law in part was to make man lie cheat steal do all of these things because he says before the law existed before god gave moses the law in sinai transgressions were different because man had no law to tell him that this is wrong and this is wrong and this is wrong he had a self-evident law but it wasn't quite it isn't quite the same as a as the physical as the physical tablets of stone

So Paul says, God gave us that law in part to show us, in part to tell us what not to do and what to do fair enough. But he says, when we were given those laws, those tablets, it rouses in our sinful nature the opportunity, the ability to do sin. Because when we fall from, or when we fell from Eden, man sins. So he's separated from God. And then when the law is given, that sin, that animal which is within us, goes, oh, I, I. can see what God wants me to do. He wants me to not lie. He wants me to respect my parents, etc. So me being sin knows exactly what not to do. So if it says don't lie, I'm going to lie. If it says don't cheat, I'm going to cheat. If it says don't steal, I'm going to steal.

And Paul says that was done on purpose so that every man might recognize that he hasn't kept the law. He doesn't do good. He doesn't keep the commandments of the Lord. And so by doing so, it pushes him to grace. Basically, it forces man to say, I look at the law, I see I haven't kept it, so I need something else if I'm going to be saved. And that person is Jesus Christ. So, once those campers at camp understood that, once they understood that man is saved by grace and not by the law, and is therefore, because he's saved by grace, actually free to do anything insofar as, because I'm saved by Christ, I can still sin. I don't want to sin, but I can still sin, and I'm still saved because it wasn't my good works which saved me. This is Galatians 3. In Galatians 3, Paul

goes, you were saved by grace. So why is it now that the law would make you slave again to hell? He's like, no, no, you were saved by grace and you're going to be saved by grace. So even if you don't do what's right, you're still safe because you're saved by grace. Once the kids understood that, then they were free. You see, then they were able to stop sinning because they recognize that actually it wasn't their good works which is saving them to begin with. All the pressure was gone. There was no more pressure to keep the law because the law isn't what saved them to begin with. And so it's almost, it seems paradoxical because it is. You know, the world says you have to keep the law if you want to go to heaven. The Bible says, because you've already been saved, because you're

going to heaven, you're going to keep the law. You see the difference, right? One is there's a pressure to keep the law. The other one is there is no pressure to keep the law. It's been kept for you. Christ is the fulfillment of the law. That's what it says in Matthew 517, and that's what it says in Hebrews, I think it's 10-7, I think it's 10-7, whatever it is. There's two specific, it's 10-7, I'm sure of it, two specific quotes. So it's a complete, yeah, you can't, it's, you can't approach it from, I have to keep this law and this law and this law, then I'll be saved. It's, I'm already saved. So now I'm going to keep this law and this law and this law, even though I break them sometimes, that's,

that's a continual sanctification towards heaven. And I can see how, I can see how the, what would it be, something hanging over you, like, I step out of line once, I'm hoped. Absolutely. Because I look at the demons, the two tables thing, and I'm like, hmm, that's a heavy, that's a heavy. Heavy. Like, it's just like, like, it's, it says, it says, you know, like, it's just, you know, like, it's just there's certain things in life that well you've already doing I'm not perfect

up of course I don't even know how to even get perfect on it's like right right like okay yes so now I'm sitting the tail of demon and it's like oh man like how do you how do you reconcile that right like that means you know once a week once a day I don't know you're you're sitting at too it's like you know to be that perfect is well there's me and you had this discussion last time. There's only one person who's done that. Yes. Right. Right. Precisely. You've put on the cross for it. Not the truth. That's exactly right. Grace is a daily, it's a daily renewal. It's a, every morning man or a Christian has to get on his knees and say, I need your grace yet again. Because we're not perfect. And, you know, for those who are sitting at the table of demons, it's like, there's no more explicit

example than those who were possessed by demons. And yet they too were rescued by Christ. You know, they were exercised and all of those things. And there are numerous testimonies of that. I saw it, you know, you see the camp, particularly where, now, this is more. Well, no, you still see it today, but mom has very interesting stories because she grew up where there's a lot of occult and so on. And that was, oh yeah, they'd see it quite regularly. And then those individuals were saved by Christ. Absolutely.

It's, you know. That would set your structure for the rest of time. It would set your structure for the rest of time. and boy did it ever, for mom particularly. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Well, I mean, for all who see it, yep, there is, I mean, that her stories are clear as crystal.

Absolutely. You know, I am encouraged in so far as five years ago, this would have been considered this weird topic that no one would have wanted to talk about, but now it's becoming increasingly mainstream because it's like, actually, it's not so weird. Well, I've, so I've, I think I'm doing better today, folks, but I normally apologize.

for bringing it up and being like kind of awkward about it. I'm like, I'm done being awkward about it. You know, I told my wife the other day, and she laughed at me because she's like, you realize you're just, you're a Christian. And I'm like, oh, oh, oh, hey, you know. And, you know, I'm like, if I get, you know, for all the things I've said and brought on here.

Yeah. If the one that sinks the ship is something that's like, you know, the more I read, the more I'm like, holy man, there is some, there is some absolute home run. in the Bible. You know, it's,

it's actually quite wild. Yes. It's beyond wild, actually. It is. It's super natural. Hey, I haven't even got through it all,

you know? But I'm not rushing it because I'm like, no point in rushing this thing, you know, and not that you read it and then you're done with it. I get it.

But I'm like, there's no point in rushing it. So, you know, as I slowly work my way through, you know, this table with the demons thing, I don't know. I've read it like,

I don't know why I had to read it like three times. I've read it like three times. Something is really irking me in there. Yeah, I don't know. I remember the first time I had you on. Or a cowboy preacher, for that matter. And I remember thinking, you know, like, not worried about it. Yeah.

But I'm really not worried about it. I'm like, you don't want to listen to it. Great, don't listen to it. You want to listen to it? Great. You think it's great? Great. I don't know.

It's exactly right. I'm wrestling with a lot of things on this side, right? And I want to talk to 100 people a day pretty much, right? If I could. Not if I could, but, you know, like one a day on different subjects. And one of them is faith. It's just simple. I'm reading it, and there's things in it that I just do not understand.

There's certain things that are just like crystal clear. It's like you read it, and you're like, and I go back to like, you know, you can't sit at the table of God and the table of demons. That should be pretty self-evident, except it really bothers me for some reason because I'm like, so then I, so then you read it again because I'm trying to like, you know, and I've read the stinking thing how many times. And I've talked about it enough. Yeah. And now, you know, I brought up, you know, and now I've had you on and I've got the oil-filled pulpit. I believe coming on and I'm, you know, I'm supposed to be going for a ride here with Joshua Allen at some point.

I'm going to talk this thing through until it solidifies in my head of what I'm trying to get at because, you know, when you read something and it really bothers you. There's something laying there that you just got to get to. You know, and I'm sure I'm going to light up the text line because people are going to have their thoughts on and everything else. But there's certain, you know, every time I have you on or any time I had anyone on to talk about this subject, usually there's something that I've read. I'm like, huh, that is a thought, you know?

and this one just hangs heavy or or it's sitting in the back of my brain like I just you know I had a dream other night really really bug me like really really bug me and it was like um you know I once again real I what is real yeah but like it was like the longest flipping dream it would not end I didn't you know and it was it was a demon line in bed with me it was it was very sure very unnerving yeah like very much so very not fun yeah And, you know, anyways, so then I come back to, you know, so then I open the Bible, and I'm like, stuck on this Corinthians. And I'm like, I got to get past this thing.

Like, I just got to move past it. And here I am. Full circle, all over again. I'm going to rehash it on the podcast. I'm going to hear about it. And I'm like, I got to get past this one so I can move on with Corinthians. But this is one that's just. Stare at it.

So the question I'd ask is like, what table are you at? So, yeah, because if you won't lay with, if you won't be with Christ, then you'll be with demons. there is that's yep that's the question so your wife says you're a question Paul says the test firstly is can you declare that Jesus is Lord over my life can you say Jesus is Lord over my life that's the first one the second one then is you will know them by their fruit so does a man believe in Christ for salvation does he believe in him for the forgiveness of sins and then that manifests through his life now again doesn't mean he's perfect but it means that he is a new and he's been born again he's a new creation he's

the old, so the old Tanner's gone. He's dead. He's like this old dead backpack, basically. He's gone. He's been buried. He's been buried with Christ, Paul says, in Romans 6. And now it's a new creation. I mean, I still do things which are wrong, but the desires that I have are entirely different than the desires I used to have. And so you have this profound dream. And it's like, well, who are you laying with? With a demon or with Christ? Because there's the two tables. You know, one table is headed up by Satan. He's the head. And the other one is Christ. Well, it's funny, I, you know, it's like, well, I want nothing to do with Satan.

Right. You're right. I literally want nothing to do. But I come all the way full circle to our first conversation. Yeah. Where I go, in order to say what you're saying. Yeah. In order to do and go, you know, I don't know what I need.

Right. The big guy probably knows, right? He's probably laughing and chuckling and going, yeah, and then everybody will be texting saying, you know, there's war going on for your son. soul and you need to make a decision fast. And I'll go, this is the problem, though. I operate relatively slow. Right.

I don't know. In the blink of an eye or the blink of a lifetime, it isn't slow, but it just takes time. Right. And I really have to be unnerved by some things. And I've really got to go into places I don't want to go into. But when you come out of it, I feel like it'll just be like, huh, here it is. And yet my wife can already see it. And I'm like, dang it.

Why is everybody? Anyways, I'm like, I feel like I'm spinning my tires here a little bit. other than it just, you know. Yes. That's true, wrestle. But then again, the warning of scriptures, your friends are right. You have to make a decision.

And so far as for all we know, I might get hit by a bus or you might get hit by a bus and way home. And the Hebrews say it's appointed unto man wants to die. And after this, the judgment. There is no purgatory after death. There is no. Did you see Oliver, here, folks. I'm going to pull this up.

because I really enjoyed this. Country music star. Oh, music singer, I shouldn't say star. I know exactly what you're talking about, but I actually haven't seen it yet. Have you heard it? Nope. Nope. Oh, man.

Richmond, North of Richmond, right? Right. This is the one that went viral, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Of course, that's been, uh, that's been, uh, that's been, uh, that's, that's been, like, he's, you know, he's gotten like, everybody's, like, Joe Rogan's, uh, you know, like blowing it. I mean, everybody's blowing it up.

Yeah. This is, this is wild. Yeah. But here's, here's what I thought was the most wild part, okay? I'm going to read this off because I... Where are you at? I don't know who this Jason Howard is, but anyways. He said this song is called Richman North of Richmond.

This is on Twitter, folks. It has been viewed millions of times. The artist's name is Oliver Anthony. I just got off the phone with him. With his permission, I'd like to share the story. He told me that moved the deepest parts of my soul. Here's the thread. In the past, Oliver was struggling with mental health

and coping with alcohol in the deepest... In the depths of despair just about a month ago. Oliver got on his knees and broke down in tears. Though he wasn't a religious man, the night he promised God to get sober if he helped him follow his dream. Oliver was about 30 days sober when someone reached out and asked him to come record a song for his YouTube channel. That song was Richmond, and then within days the song goes viral. And he goes, as Oliver told me the story, the hair on the back of my neck stood up, goosebumps covered my body. Here's a man who broke

down and surrendered everything to God. And within 30 days, he became an overnight sensation with an offer from John Rich to produce his record. And it goes on, when I offer, offered to cover the cost for Oliver to produce a record. I had no idea what would transpire, nor did I know how powerful his story was or the situation that God was inserting me into. I just wanted to help. This is how we are going to change the culture in the country. Conclusion, I'm excited to announce Oliver Anthony just joined Twitter and then who he wants, and if you want to give him a follow. He's a songwriter or father and genuinely good human being. I'm blessed and all. So what I'm, I don't know where I'm transitioning a little bit here,

you know, away from maybe Sean. But I remember interviewing Don Cherry. And if you go back and listen to Don Cherry's story, you know, I would say one of the most recognizable Canadians, certainly voiced everything in our lifetimes. And probably my parents' lifetime. And if you listen to his story, what always has stuck out to me is he's selling cars, right? He's gone from this and that, and now he's selling cars.

And what does he do? He gets down on his knees, praise to God. And I think he says it's like something like three weeks later, give or take a month. He's coaching the Boston Burns with Bobby Orr. And like not the rest is history, but the rest is kind of history. And it's funny, you're like, oh, you just got to make a choice. It's like, I already feel like I'm making a choice.

But I read those stories and I'm like, those are powerful things. So why don't we all get down on our knees and go, you know what, God, if you're real. Yep. Just prove it. Ah. And there we go. Patrick Bet David. Yes, I know him.

I don't know personally, but yeah. He's another one. He tells this story. He's laying in bed and he's mad at God. And he says, God, if you're so real, I want you to have my mom call me right now. She doesn't know my number, all this stuff. And he says his phone rings and he picks it up and it's his mom. And he's like, how did you, you know, and he goes, oh, okay.

Yeah. So I say all these because I'm like, you know, like, why do we put up such a guard? Why do, why does Sean need to have inconceivable truth? Even though I, you know, I've said this lots. Since I started reading the Bible and praying every morning, it's been the most calm I've ever been in my life. It's not even, it doesn't mean it's perfect. Right, it's not. But it's noticeable.

Yeah. But why do you hear a story like that? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I am I sure. Do you remember reading the story when you're reading the Gospels? about the rich man and the Samaritan not quite the rich man in hell and Abraham's bosom it's a parable it's not a parable it's not a parable this is what's fascinating okay so before christ dies on the cross when believers die they went to a place called Abraham's bosom which was basically it was paradise but it was awaiting for Jesus to atone for their sins so that they could enter

heaven but it's still paradise I want you to start that again so when how would yes start that again so when I got to listen to that It's a little confusing. Okay, so before Christ died. So before Jesus. Died on the cross. Gotcha. To atone for the sins of all mankind from Adam to the end of the age.

Believers, those who believed still in the saving grace of the Almighty, when they died, went to a place called, they called it Abraham's bosom. And basically, it was paradise, but it wasn't yet heaven because those believers' sins hadn't been atoned for. This is what Paul says in Romans. It's Romans 325. where Paul's like the sins of the past still weren't they weren't blotted out yet because Christ hadn't died yet so they those those previous believers had to wait still in paradise but just not in heaven just yet because Christ had to die first to atone for their sins so it's really it's not super important for the story but you can just think of it as a just a waiting room for heaven but it's still it's just waiting

for heaven so you have believers in paradise there and then you have this rich man who's died and he's gone to hell. He's in hell. Well, he's actually, yeah, he's in, no one go, no one's in hell yet, but it's the same thing. It's, it's Hades. It's this waiting place for hell. And this rich man is in anguish, you know, he's no longer rich. His money hasn't saved him. And he's just desperate, like he is in serious anguish. And as he's suffering in hell or in Hades, whatever, the heavens open up. He looks up and there's Abraham in Abraham's bosom. And he says, Abraham, bring down some water, just a drip, just a drop. So I can, pool off my tongue because I'm suffering so desperately. And Abraham says, no, can't. And then the man says,

well, at least tell my brothers about what happens if you don't believe. And then Abraham says something profound because he goes, actually, if your brothers won't believe based on the scriptures, based on the evidence they're given now, then they're never going to believe. What Abraham said was, you have enough, you had enough evidence, you've had ample evidence, your brothers have ample evidence, if they won't believe the testimonies of Moses and Jacob and Isaac and David and Solomon, and if they won't believe the current testimonies of the disciples and the apostles and those in the ages to come, and if they won't believe based on the creation of the world and all of these things, no amount of evidence would be sufficient. It's not enough for them. And so if that won't work,

nothing will. So Paul goes on to then expand on this. It's also interesting that that man never asks for repentance in hell in Hades. He just says, don't let others come here. He doesn't say I've made a mistake. He just says, don't let others come here. But at any rate, Paul expands on that later in the end of Romans 1, the end of Romans 1. It's either, yeah, Romans 1 25 or something, whatever. It's the first chapter of Romans. And Paul basically goes, everyone's asking for more proof. He's like, the Lord has given them so much proof based on the leaf outside that if that isn't sufficient for them, nothing will be. So no one can say it the judgment. You didn't tell me about yourself Almighty. You didn't give me enough evidence. No, God will say, I gave you ample evidence. Here it is,

and you rejected me yet still. Now, with those stories about, for example, I'll do this, God, if you do this. Or if I do this, then you do this. Be very careful with those. God is not a God of trades. He's not a God of, I will do this for you, Lord, and then you will do this for me. That isn't how the scriptures operate. That isn't what the scriptures say. I'm not, no, I don't want I don't want to comment on those testimonies themselves because, you know, who knows how that happened. But what I do know is that the story of grace, the story of God's salvation is, I'm going to save you.

I've chosen, for example, Israel, you will be mine. Not because Abraham, you were great, not because you're powerful, not because you've promised me this and that, but because it's what I've decided. And the same is true for the Christian man or for the man who's going to be saved. You know, it's not because I didn't say, save me, Lord, and I'll start a pause. or if you save me, I'll start a podcast or something, or if I get 5,000 followers, you know what I mean? It's the opposite. God says, I'm saving you, and that's that. Now, there are stories, I mean, there are stories of, you know, like Hannah in the Bible says, if you give me a child, Lord,

I'll put them in the priestly service. But even that's different. And like these stories, is it, is it, the world today is so interested in God, but they have yet to be interested in Jesus Christ. they're different. Well, no, they're not different. I got to be careful. I have to be careful. You know, it's one thing to believe in God. It's an entirely different thing to believe in Christ.

Not because Christ isn't God, but precisely because Christ is God. You know, I'm hearing more and more this call to unite under God, one nation under God. Fair enough. But which God are we uniting under? You know, it's Christ. Christ is God. I hear so often, I heard this in public school all the time, that most religions are basically the same. or at least the Eastern religions, the Abrahamic religions,

are basically the same. You know, they believe in basically the same things. They have minor differences. Actually, it's exactly the opposite. They have minor similarities, but they fundamentally differ. So you can take, say, a Muslim man and a Christian man. And both will say they believe in God, but the Christian man will go, I believe in Jesus Christ.

I believe that Christ is God. And the Muslim man won't say that. He says entirely the opposite. So in that regard, they're gods that they believe and aren't the same. they're totally different. Allah is not the same as Christ's father. They are different gods. Because, again, one is Christ and one isn't.

What do you think of the millions person March? That's a good question. Right? I think, firstly, that the Christian church has failed. This should have happened a long time ago. Like the Christians should have risen up, because this is so fundamental. This is so fundamental to the scripture.

And to reality, male and female, he created them. That's Genesis 128. It's, it is plain as day. And what our government is doing is so reprehensible. And the weakness of the church is so reprehensible that it's created this, this situation in which no one knows what to do. So the principle of the million person march, marching to, say, remove the LGBT gender ideology, etc., etc., etc., propaganda from our schools, I agree with. But if someone were to ask me, can you unite under the same thing? banner. I can't. Not because I don't, not because I think the LGBT stuff should be in school.

Of course not. That's, that's nonsense. That's sin. But because the Muslim God isn't the same as the Christian God. They are different. But I don't think that's the call to action. Isn't it? The call to action is to come march alongside against what's going on in school. Yes. And in a, in a vacuum in itself, fine, fair enough. You know, you can march with people who don't believe in God for that. It's like we did that with the freedom convoy. You know, we go to, or we go to convoys or rallies, and we meet with a compendium of people who don't believe the same thing. That's totally fine, fair enough. But the actual, if, I guess, yeah, should be more clear, if I was called to then totally unite, it would be impossible to do so. Like, do you

remember when Jason Kenney, or was that, no, it was Kenny, right, called for the unification of conservatives. He's like, we have to unite, we have to unite. We need to get under one big tent. That's exactly right. And I would say fair, but it has to, the unification of, the unification. comes from truth first. It comes through a total acceptance and common understanding of truth. Without that, there is no unification. You can't be unified in falseity.

So I just pulled up LifeSight News, and I hope this gets to the heart of it. It says the September 20th protest is set to unite all religions in the defense of children against LGBT indoctrinations in Canadian schools. I'm just going to scroll through here first, millions of person march to combat LGBT indoctrination in schools.

On September 2020, 23, auto businessmen and Muslim activists, and I already apologize, Camel Al-Chek, hopes to gather Canadians of all face to march against LGBT ideology being pushed on children in nation schools. And he said, I'm optimistic, absolutely, in a recent interview, you know, if there's one thing that's going to inspire Canadians from coast to coast to go down and protest, it's kids and their innocence and its families. So to me, well, I don't know. Yes.

I don't know, but I guess I'm curious. To me, I look at it and I go, what a, what a crazy thing for Muslims to be like, we want Christians to march alongside us and everybody else because we're like, this needs to end. I think of how many. Which it does. Fair enough. And it was the same thing with the Freedom Convoy, like I mentioned.

I think, you know, all individuals who love freedom should do. do so. But what caught my eye in that article you read was the very start, was the unification of what do you say, we want to unify all religions, even under this banner, right? It says, this isn't what he says. It says the September 20th protest is set to unite all religions in defense of children against LGBT indoctrination in Canadian schools. Right, right. So, okay, so they're saying let's unite religions under the banner of no more. No more ideology in schools when it comes to gender, right? Now, right, which, okay, right.

Now, soon you'll get to Revelations, or the Revelation, which is one of the most fascinating books in the Bible. And the Revelation says there is coming a time in the future very soon, in which the world will go through a period of tribulation. It's a seven year, if you heard about it, it's a seven-year period of time. It's prophesied in Daniel, and it's also, of course, prophesied in Revelation and in Matthew and so on. One of the hallmarks of that period of time is a one-world unified religion. It's actually happening already now in the East with the Abrahamic religions.

I think it's in Saudi, but I don't quote me, but if you look it up, you'd find it. It's just, it's, they call it not Christel Muslim, but something along those lines where it's the unification of, of, yeah, Judaism, Christianity, and the Muslim face, these, the things that are grounded in Abraham. So anyways, in Revelations, it says there is coming a one-world religion where all men who are left on the earth will either believe in it or basically be, well, not basically, or will be killed. So what I mean to say is, while I understand the intent here,

and I think it's exactly, it's totally proper and it's needed to march, to say no more of this ideology in school fair. I also see the shoots, the roots of a unification of religion in it, even though it's maybe it's not at the forefront, and I know they say in the name of LGBT, so on, et cetera, but then you can... You wish a Canadian, you wish Christian...

I do. Christianity had stepped up first. I certainly do. I think it's a shame that they haven't. You know, I know I've said this before in your show, but I think the churches right now are so weak. It's reprehensible how we do. I'm supposed to be having James Coates and I'm forgetting.

Timothy Stevens. Thank you. I'm supposed to be having both of those guys. Come on. Excellent. I'm hard on. I'm always hard on myself. I always go,

and like, why didn't I interview the pastors when they were being, anyways, it doesn't matter. I've been in chats with both of them, and you showed up to Layton Gray for for hooking me up with those. But regardless, this in hopes to have a couple more, because, you know, like, so you, I guess what I'm getting at

is you wish Christian churches, but I stood up and said, what are we doing? That's exactly what I wish. They're welcoming it into their institutions. I mean, look, here in Lloyd alone, you know, we've got enough churches that are just like, come on in. Shameful. Yep, it is. Like, you read the scriptures, and you're reading them now, it's great because it's like,

you read the scriptures, and Christ is like, I am not here to bring. peace I come with a sword this this idea that Christianity is this nice everyone's in you know everyone's for it's for everybody that's nonsense that is such a nonsensical modernized

what would you say I would just say I would argue and you can you can tell me if I'm right wrong I just don't think anybody's read it oh no I read the scriptures yeah oh I agree like um you know I'm I'm working my way through it

and I want to be very clear as a kid we read like I've read the Bible before. None of it stuck. Right. And I would argue, even if I was at the right age to read it, it wouldn't have stuck because I did not care. Right. I was so whatever. So now you read it. And I'm just amazed that how, and I keep saying this. Even today, I'm like, ah, man, that's a, you know, I just finally got to where it talks about love and Corinthians, right? It's all these different, you know, love is patient, love is blind. Yeah. And you're like, that's a beautiful.

It is. That's beautiful. It is. And you understand why it's. in all these different movies and in weddings and et cetera, et cetera. But, I mean, all the Corinthians isn't exactly like that. No, it's mostly the opposite. You know? And Galatians is the same. And so you go, you know, I put out a poll, and it was a small poll. Like, you know, I don't want to act like it was 10,000 people, wasn't.

But I put a poll on Twitter. I was just like, I wonder how many people have read the Bible. Yeah. And 50% said they had, and 20% were like me working on it. And I'm like, well, that isn't actually, you know, like. Right. you know, of the people that are falling, you know, and that's a small little portion. I'm like, you know, if you've got 70 some percent that are slowly getting to it.

And I just, to me, like, all the freedom community is not for it, guaranteed. Right. But I find more and more people who've decided to dust off the old book. Here's a funny little thing I noticed, okay? So we go to the states, right? We go, and anyone can check this out. We go to the states. We're staying in hotels along the way.

Actually, on the way down, we stayed with friends, we didn't stay in hotels. But over the course of like, you know, five years, and it never, it never stood out to me as much as in Ottawa when I was there. When I went to look for a Bible, the first time I went to look for a Bible in a very long time, folks. I was sitting in Ottawa in a hotel rooms, you can't find them. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true. And on the way back, Mel and I were on a bit of a budget, and we're going through South Dakota, and so we're staying in a little bit of some interesting motels.

say no more. Yeah. And what are the interesting motels still have? Yeah. The Bible. Sure. I'm like, isn't that interesting? Yeah.

It is. That means that corporate America, Canada, Canada, the United States, over time, has decided to remove that from all hotel rooms. Absolutely. That's in line with this. You read the story of Jesus, the life of Jesus. He's not in some luxurious hotel. He's not in the riches of Jerusalem. He's preaching in the country towns.

He's preaching in the dingy. your areas. Well, it's funny. You know, I was having this discussion with somebody about, uh, I can't remember for his Andrew Tate or anyways. It doesn't matter. You get the point because like Andrew Tate makes me a little bit, you know what? Very gifted speaker.

Right. Says some things that I really agree with. Also does some things that I'm vehemently against. So I would say I'm very, my guard is up when I listen to him and watch him. Anyways. So me and the guy, a listener get talking. And he's like, well, I'm new on this journey with Christianity in the Bible and Jesus and whatever. And I'm like, okay.

And he's like, and, you know, doesn't Jesus bring everyone to him? And, you know, and I'm like, you raise a very good point. All right. Okay. So fair. Yeah. Fair. You got to be careful, right?

Because it's not for me to judge or you to judge, right? That's not what we're here for. It doesn't mean also lower your guard to absolutely everybody. It's exactly right. It's exactly right. Be careful. Like that Matthew 7 passage, it's not, don't judge men. It's don't judge men and expect not to be judged yourself.

it's if you want to judge a man, which, fair enough, I can judge Trudeau based on his actions, and they're very wicked. I also know that I'm getting judged. And so I have to be careful is what Jesus says. Now, a man's heart is a different thing entirely. I can't see yours. You can't see mine. You can see the actions that I'm doing.

Yeah, yeah. And that's why Paul, you know, they say, buy your fruit, or Jesus says, by your fruit, you'll know them. But the actual, yeah, the actions themselves, you can judge. Yep. So will Jesus draw all men to himself? well 2 Peter says 2 Peter 3 says God wants all men to come to repentance John 6 also but John 6 says those who the Father gives me will come to me

so you know Christ is for everyone Christ's like Christ salvation is for everyone but but as he mentions that the kingdom of well the truth is the kingdom of hell is much larger it's filled much more fully than the kingdom of heaven is far more people are going to hell than are going to heaven at least at the present time yeah Yeah, and that's been the story of mankind since its inception. Well, since fall, since its fall. Disease X.

Ah, this is fascinating. So, from what I understand, it's this, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm curious, since. Right. I was, I was, I'm curious with the X. That's the new, the new, you know, did they prepare us are they, are they, are they, were they preparing us for another low set of lockdowns? problem, problem. Probably. Who knows? I'm interested in the X. That's what's got my curiosity peaked. Because I don't know about you, but I'm seeing X more and more often these days. Twitter's now X, SpaceX, Xbox, for all mean, you know what I mean? What else is X? There are so many things that are X. You can just, you know, look around and see it everywhere.

But if you looked up, yeah, if you looked up logos of X or, you know, names with X in it, you would see a vast catalog of different brands and so on that have X. and then Tesla Model X. You know, you have all of these... Well, you're talking a thing that situates around a guy's fascination with X. Yes. Elon Musk. It's fascinating.

It is. One of the most prolific people in the world right now. Yes. But you do have X sports. Yeah. Right? So that's a different one. Yeah. You know, that's... I mean, extreme energy is the one that comes up.

But, I mean, I think the big one that that's really sticks out is Twitter going next. Yeah, that's interesting. That even surprised, you know. It seems like it's not surprised everyone. Either way. Now, I know correlation doesn't imply causation. That's true.

That's like one of the first lessons you learn in university. But it is fascinating how I feel like we're seeing it more and more often. Here's why I'm interested in it. So the letter X from the Greek comes from the Hebrew letter called Saumec. And it looks like, if you remember math class, Remember statistics? You had to draw a little thing called standard deviation. Oh, God.

I didn't like stats either. Actually, dad as a math teacher, he really doesn't like stats. So that's how you know it's bad. Yeah, but anyways, there's a little symbol. I took stats in college. Oh. Anyways, I did, you know what? I have this little, I don't know where this comes in the Newman family,

but I was told at college it was the hardest class in college. I'm like, fine. What's for you to? Let's see if I can get through this. And I did. I mean. Your guts here and I. I don't know.

You know, I don't even need it for anything in my hearing. Other than just to prove myself, I could do it. I had to do it, but I had to do it. And I, oh, I didn't do well. I didn't. It was hard. It was probably one of the hardest courses I took. I agree.

I said, anyways. So there's this, the Hebrew letter, Samak. It looks like a little standard deviation, which is basically just a circle with a little tail on it at the top. That's what, that's what it looks like. Yeah. And it's kind of slipped around. It's the old Hebrew letter called Samak.

How do you spell that? S-A-M. It's either S-A-M-E-C-H or S-A-M-E-K. I've actually seen it spelled both ways. Hebrew letter, S-M-E-SOMIC. And now, Hebrew will change throughout the ages too, but yeah, it's an old standard deviation-looking thing. Oh, man, yeah, okay.

So either way, it's a very intricate, you know, alphabet. Anyways, that letter is associated with the way, you know, it's associated with a serpent or a dragon or a serpent eating its own tail, which immediately, what does that strike in your mind first? It's like Adam and Eve, serpent, Satan, right? It's just there, there's an immediate connection there. Okay, so from that letter, Samaic, which means serpent eating its own tail, which means Satan, comes the Hebrew letter, or comes the Greek letter X.

It's fascinating. And then we use it in today's modern world as X. Okay, so firstly. There, I'm sharing it on the screen so people can see it. I just want them to see what Samaic looks like. Perfect. look like an X. No. That's right. But when the Greeks adopted, they change a symbol into an X. So firstly, it's interesting that that's associated with Satan. That's fascinating, or at least

a serpent. So Saamax is associated with a serpent. We associate serpent with Satan, of course. And then Saamak, the letter, Satan is associated with the letter X, with Greek letter X. So that's first, that's fascinating. Secondly, what's fascinating is that the early Christians then took the letter X and they used it as an abbreviation for Christ. So X Mass, Christmas, Christ Mass. That's what it means. That's what the Christians used it for. And you think that's strange, but it's really not.

Because when you read the scriptures, you know, remember the story that Jesus goes, upon this rock, I'll build my church? Yes. People think he's talking about Hebrew, or not Hebrew, Peter. People think he's talking about the Pope. No, he's not talking about that. He's talking about the fact that he's at a very specific mountain

when he says those words. And that mountain, according to the Hebrews, according to the Israelites, was cursed. it was basically the entrance into hell. And so Jesus says, upon this entrance into hell, I'm going to build my church. I'm going to completely crush it and take back what's mine, so to say. I'm taking, you know, all these occultists and so on use symbols,

and they use these things that actually aren't theirs. I'm taking that back and I'm making it my own. I think it's Hebron, H-E-B-R-O-N. But that's actually from Heiser too. Michael Heiser is a brilliant man. Anyways. So the Christians take X. and they use it to mean Jesus Christ.

You know, you could draw a little X and say, oh, he's a Christian, he knows he's a Christian. Okay. So the letter X simplifies Christ. I just talk to you about tribulation, the seven-year period that's coming. When you read Daniel, when you read Revelation, when you read Second Thessalonians,

you see that along with the tribulation comes a man, a dictator, the most powerful dictator of the world has ever encountered and ever will encounter, the most wicked and cruel dictator the world has ever encountered. We call him Antichrist. John says he's this beast that's rising out of the sea. It's in Revelation 12 and 13. He's this,

um, is it's Sierra land. Let's see, I think. Either way, whatever, he's this, he's this,

he's this monstrosity of a dictator. And he comes not bearing a sword, but peace. He comes to say, I'll save you from this and this and this and this. That's who this dictator is, this antichrist is. Basically, he's a man who if the world could create a Messiah, this is who they'd make.

If you gave the world an option to create Jesus Christ, they would make Antichrist. And when you read about all that he does during his period of rule, during tribulation, before Christ comes back to wipe him out, you see that he's basically an imitation of Christ. That's his purpose. It's to be an imitator of Christ so as to deceive the world into believing in him and following him. He's everything people think that Christ should be or should have. have been. Part of that might mean taking the X symbol and saying it's mine now because it's used to denote Christ, why not have it also used to denote Antichrist? It would make sense to me.

And so again, I know that this isn't, like I couldn't present that paper to a university thing and say, here's my scholarly advice, but it's certainly interesting. You know, you look at all that's happening in the world and we are so clearly approaching the end times at an increasingly rapid and furious pace that all of these things would make sense that they'd be lining up. So Christ says will happen. You'll hear of wars and rumors of wars. You know, you'll have all of these problems. You'll see these things lining up, getting ready to go. And then the end comes. So Paul says, and then the end begins. That's in Second Corinthians. Actually, that's not true. That's in Second Thessalonian. Second Corinthians is a different ending. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just something

to think about. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. You know, the arrogance of evil is that it's out there. Evil never conceals itself. It's, it's, it's, it lets you know, it's, it lets you know what it's doing. Look at our government. They're fine to tell you exactly what they're doing. We are changing power, like the way that we produce electricity, even though it's going to harm you, right? We are banning nitrogen fertilizer. They won't say it's a ban, but it is. Right, we are doing this and this and this, all of these things are demonstrably evil, and we're telling you in advance that we're going to do them because we're so arrogant. It's the same thing with Antichrist. They almost walk with a bit of a swagger. They walk with a bit of a swagger, which is again, just like Satan. I love that you

mentioned how we tend to, you know, the modern world talks about Satan like he's this funny creature with pointy horns and awe, but he's also not an evil thing that you run away from. He is evil, but Paul's like actually he comes as an angel of light. So he's this beautiful creature. It's why Tolkien's Sauron or Sauron is so good because, right, in his natural form, he's this beautiful, it takes the appearance of an elf, right, this glorious creature, even though his true nature is hideous. It's something that you would, I mean, it's so supernaturally evil that you would be, I mean, you would, you would die, right, like to see him in his true form. But he takes the appearance of something glorious, something splendorous, something beautiful, to draw people

into himself. An anti-Christ will be the same, charismatic, intellectual. a good looking, great orator, et cetera, et cetera, to bring, to draw men to himself. So I used to think that he'd be a socialist. I used to think he'd be an eco-Marxist. I don't think that anymore. You think it'll be a conservative wielding free speech? It doesn't say in the scripture. What I do see is what if, here's just an idea, what if all that our governments are

doing right now is to create as much chaos as possible. People are so sick and tired of them. I want energy. I want electricity. I want food. I want to be free. they stir up all of this hum drum nonsense and then out of nowhere here comes this man

saying Trudeau's corrupt McCrone's corrupt Joe Biden's senile and corrupt Kamala Harris is corrupt Freeland's corrupt all of them are corrupt they got to go here comes that man if I wasn't a Christian there'd be a man that I'd follow because he's so enticing that Jesus says if the elect weren't rescued if the Christians weren't rescued

even they'd be deceived even they'd want to follow this man So who do you think that is? Who do I think the Antichrist is? Don't know. Oh. I don't know. That's a good question.

And we're not supposed to, like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's funny, you know, get these different. And maybe, maybe, I come full circle to Satan again all over, you know, and then walk in. Well, no, I kind of walked into it. We're going to talk about, you know, like, would it, would have. Anyways, I, you know, there's, I think two schools of thought. Maybe I'm wrong on this.

One is, just as I started off, that, uh, that, uh, he is the prince of the world Jesus once again Jesus again my heavenly father is God of everything but of this world Satan is God so there's like the Satan is real

don't kid yourself he is real and then there's the evil lives inside of us all and you just got to deal with that and nobody else is actually you know there is no such thing as Satan okay and I find it interesting

because I've read some classical books now, you know, certainly, you know, if you bring up Tolkien. Yep. And I find it very interesting that more and more talk of an elf-like creature. Ah. You know, and when you say he's this beautiful person, but if you ever saw the true, it would shake you to your core. Absolutely. And I think, you know, discernment is, we've all been around a person or two. Yep.

where you're like, I don't know why. Yeah, something's off. But something is very off. Yep. And you know that. And if you listen to it, you're probably right. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't think you're wrong when you listen to that spot.

I agree. And the thing is, well, I guess, I don't know what I'm trying to ask here. I guess I'm probably trying to ask or point out that Satan is very real. He is. But does he just influence, you know, as screw tape letters would point out? He influences Tanner. Right. Or he influences me.

He never actually puts his feet down and walks around. Well, the two stories I'd look at, there's three. One is Job. One is Christ in the wilderness. And the last one, now I have to think here, is James. I don't remember what scripture it is in James, but it's a short book, so it's a quick read anyways. Could we, I don't know why. This is a weird thing that's been happening to me lately, but I certainly know the story of Jesus.

Yeah. And I think a lot of people do. Yeah. But for some reason, James has been, I wrote it down while I was driving. Yep. And I can't remember. It's almost lost on me right now. Why?

Yeah. But James keeps coming back around full circle. What is it about James? The honest truth is James is, often hotly debated because when you read James by itself, you could see how men would think that you have to have good works to be saved. That's why. So if you read James in isolation and only James and nothing else, I'm not saying you're going to believe it, but you could see how men could become confused because James is like, you know, without works, faith is dead. That's what,

that's what the scripture says. Now, he doesn't mean that good works can save you from your, or that good work save you from your sin. What he's talking about again is that if you're saved, that will manifest in what you do. Yeah, you'll bear fruit. You'll bear fruit. It would be like saying, you know, you claim to have a semi, a semi truck, but if it can't pull a trailer, then do you really have a semi truck? You know what, you see what I'm saying? So now, but what James is, what James says in his book is he says, listen, he says, we so often say, I'm being tempted, I'm being tempted, I'm being tempted by some exterior force. He's like, but actually, so often men are just dragged away by their own spiritual desires

and they're enticed. So what in James then has Satan in it? Oh, well, it's actually where he puts feet on the ground or manifest as a real. Oh, yeah. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, just it's James doesn't deny that, doesn't deny that Satan exists. Yeah. No, I'd say it's more with actually what's actually, what's actually.

Satan on, you know, boots on the ground kind of thing, you actually have to read more Paul. That's, that's, uh, I'm thinking like we're talking Saul Paul. Saul Paul, like Corinthians. Yeah, like what you're reading now. Yeah, like what you're reading now. You know one day and I know there's, you'll probably, you can probably rattle off the answer. If I get to ever sit down across from Jesus, I'm going to be like, did you have to make, why couldn't Saul just be Saul? Why did he have to be Paul? Because it demonstrates his new life. I understand. I understand, but why you don't, you don't, you know, Tanner doesn't go, I was Tanner. No, that's true.

Now I'm, I don't know, whatever name you want. That's true. That's true. Sean doesn't do that. No, that's true. So I'm, you know, I got to have this epiphany in the middle of reading Saul, which actually is Paul, writing Romans. Yeah. Right?

Like, right here, I'm like, why? Yeah. Why? That's a good question. And he'll probably sit there and have this lovely answer. And I'll be like, yeah, no, this is why you're perfect and everything else. But I'm like, you confused me for a very long time. No, I agree.

Yeah, it can be confusing. But at any, but at any rate. So like, no, Satan is real. Boots on the ground. You look at the temptation of Jesus. Like you said, like you mentioned, that is so clear. It's funny. It's so clear.

But, you know, you come back to, you know, you were mentioning, maybe it's Jesus or maybe is Christ, maybe it was God. I can't remember how you put it. But you're like, listen, if I give you any more examples of how real I am, you know, like it'll never be enough. That's exactly right. It's exactly right. On the side of Satan.

does he go the same way? Like, Satan is real, and this is why. Because you are the one who pointed out to me, Jesus says, get behind me, Satan, right? And that it can become that close. It can inhabit the inner circle of Jesus. I mean, Jesus is literally betrayed by one of his own, which is about as close as it gets, folks.

Absolutely, absolutely. No, I think the clarity of Satan is, I mean, it's talked about all over scripture actually with the devil. I think it's just individual saying there is this prime tempter that exists. It explains the origin of temptation, how this creature begins to tempt Adam and Eve. You look at how, oh, even you look at the way demons operate. No, absolutely. Absolutely, he's real.

Yeah, absolutely he's real. Now, Satan's funny, not funny, but insofar as you remember screw tape, you can use different strategies in different eras. The old men had no problem believing in the devil at all, like believing that he existed. That was as clear as clear. It might be different today. And perhaps that's Satan's strategy. It changes with the eras, with the different appetites of men. Some are more inclined to believe in him.

Some eras say, no, I don't think so. Don't really think he exists. Actually, they try and make Satan cool now. Or make Satan cool. That is clear. like yeah Disney and stuff absolutely sure the strategy changes the strategy changes Job is very clear yeah about about about the existence of Satan of course genesis is very clear about it oh yeah no that's it's it's Jesus is abundantly clear yeah he's abundantly clear about

that I mean the the temptation of Christ is so is so um you know so clear and present but again you have to remember man doesn't need to be saved from Satan. He needs to be saved from his sin, from himself, in a sense. That's what the, the Almighty defeats Satan at the cross. That's what Paul says again in, in, uh, in, uh, second Christians. But Satan's the one trying. Yes. To corrupt you at all times, or as demons or as minions or whatever you want to call. Absolutely. Oh, yeah, but you're already corrupted. He's tempting you. That's fair. But, but the corruption's already happened. But the tempting never stops. That's right. Right. I mean like, even for Christians, it never stops. That's what I

Yeah, that's, oh, now that's absolutely correct. And so that's why in Revelation it says, the Almighty will throw Satan into the lake of fire into hell. He's not first, actually anti-Christ and false prophet. Those two individuals who are like an unholy Trinity, they go first into hell. Satan's and bound for a thousand years is let out again for a little bit of time, and then he's thrown into hell.

Yeah. The end times discussion, that's a discussion that you could take months on that. Why is that? Oh, because it's so rich. It's so rich and it's so heavy. And it's so particular for the time. Yeah, Christ is coming very soon. Everything's lining up.

All the prophecies are clear. Do you not? Do you do you, do you, maybe it's because, I don't know. Once again, I was having, I've been having some interesting discussions off air. And one of them was about, actually will be the episode that comes out right before you, Shannon Halliday. He's the director of the Essential Church. I find it funny how, you know, I get, the audience must laugh at this at times.

Sometimes I get great into economics, and it's like you do four in a row that are in economics. And sometimes it's just the way it aligns. I did not plan on having three around the church, but I had late in gray and we started talking about it. Then I have Shannon Halliday. and now I have your, anyways, I'm like, I did not plan this. Like, I mean, sometimes it just seems to like, it's like, oh, this is the way it's going to go. Anyways, Shannon Halliday was talking about, he just walked into a church, and I'm forgetting the name of it, is it a Grace Community Church? Something like that in the United States.

And, you know, like, what was it? He said, I just walked in. It was almost like a new. I'd never heard a preacher talk that way before. The thing with the end times is, I've been hearing about the end time since I was like seven. It's one of the things probably pushed me away from the Christian faith for so long because I was so tired of worrying about the end times.

I'm a bad human and I can't and the world's going to fall. And like I just, you know, I can just, you know, I watched Oppenheimer. Right. And Oppenheimer is all about the race to get the A ball. Yeah. And like, and drop it and blow up all these people and who's going to. And in the movie, you know, when they finally do it and they've literally killed 70,000, and some human beings over in Japan.

One of the most unnerving parts of the movie is Oppenheimer's coming out, and they're all like stamping on this, you haven't seen it, have you? No, yet. But I know the story, yeah. So they've recreated this town so they can have this community there. And they've lived under these conditions of, I assume we're racing to build this bomb before they do. So you can imagine the stakes are pretty freaking high.

Yep. And they finally blow up Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Yeah, right? Which is, you know, 70,000. It's hundreds of thousands at the end of it, I believe, of people that die. And so Oppenheimer's coming out, and here is this group of, I don't know, is it 100, is it 200 people in this like kind of small stadium-like gymnasium. And they're all stomping on the wood seats, stands. And it's like loud, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And he comes out, and they're all losing their. crap as he gives a speech about, you know, I wish we would, I know, and in his head, though, he knows he just killed, like, right. And that frenzy, well, I mean, I don't know. I just, I don't know. I don't even know where I'm going anymore. Tanner, I don't know where I'm going. Oh, I'm just like.

It is. It's becoming increasingly prevalent. The frenzy has been started. This is the problem with going back to one of them as a kid. This is what they did. Armagedon. Armagedon. right around the corner.

Yeah. Forgive, repent. Armageddon. Yeah. 2000, Armageddon. 2012, it's Armageddon. Everything's Armageddon. Yep.

And to live in that fear isn't what Jesus preaches at all. At least not what I saw. And actually reading Paul, who is Saul, I don't see, sure, repent. I don't see live in fear. No, that's correct. But live in fear if you're not saved. Yeah, but they don't know anyways. they have literally no idea about that they're

how would if you're not saved you're not there living your life yeah they're not fearful of the end times oh no no i agree it's more like the christians like you should be fearful because you you have not repented yet that's absolutely right people have no idea the non-christians you mean correct correct that's absolutely right it's like fear the judgment of god you know okay so you go back to noah story of noah yeah sure yeah so god tells noah flood's coming actually he's so clear about it that he uses the word, there's a man named

Methuselah, the oldest man to ever live. And Methuselah's name means, I think it means when he dies, you know, judgment comes or something like that. It's very clear. So God tells Noah like a hundred years plus in advance that a flood is coming. It gives Noah time to build the ark. While

Noah is doing that, he's preaching. Every day. Judgment's coming. Judgment's coming. Judgment's coming. Judgment's coming. And no one repents. Not one. The whole society is so corrupted, they refuse to believe in him. and men would have mocked him. They would have said he was a fool.

They would have said it's been 20 years. It's been 30 years. It's been 50 years. It's been 80 years. It's been 100 years, Noah. Where is this grand flood? And then all of a sudden one day, here's the rain. And it's like, oh, uh-oh.

And the arc is closed. The door's closed. And Noah's gone with the animals. And the men are left to perish. The same way, what is 70 years in human history? Yeah. Even a thousand years, of course. You know?

And so in that regard, Christ is coming soon. And I believe it because he was raised from the dead. That's why I believe he's coming back. He has to vanquish still the evil of the world once for all time. It has to happen. He did it at the cross, of course, but they're still evil running amok. And so Christians then, and they've been, again, very poor with this too. They have an obligation to preach that Christ is coming soon.

Christ is coming back. You know, the reason Paul writes second Thessalonians is because they were actually, they were being persecuted so badly that they thought the end had already come and they'd missed it. They'd missed Christ coming back. that's how badly they were getting persecuted. But Paul says, actually, no, Christ is coming, but here are the signs. Here's what's going to happen before that, just so you know. But either way, he's still preaching.

He's preaching and repent. Like, you know, when the Christian faith isn't one of be saved so you can avoid suffering. It's not one of be saved so you can get to heaven. Even though that's true, we do go to heaven those who are saved. It's be saved so you can be reconciled to God for the forgiveness. or be saved so you can be forgiven for your sin so you can be reconciled to God. And that matters today. That matters right now.

Now, with the end coming, we're preaching about it as fervently as we can because it is coming soon and because those who aren't saved says Paul have a great delusion when that comes. Because they're so they've delighted in evil, he says. And so they're going to be led astray. And that's not what any Christian desire is for any man. And so we have an obligation to preach about it. Our conviction is that the house is on fire, or it's going to be on fire. The world's on fire already, but you know, you can say the house is going to be incinerated very soon.

I have an obligation to say it's coming, it's coming, I know it's coming, even though men might say don't see it yet. It's like not fair enough, but it's coming. And I believe it because Jesus said so, and he was raised from the dead. That's the foundation of the belief. Yeah. And now Christians can, you know, this is a longer topic, but Christians often debate about the nature of revelation. and what I hear more and more, which I think is so foolish, is, well, we don't really know, so we won't talk about it. And it's like, really? If you think there's an argument to be had in science, we don't really know how this thing works.

We're just going to let it, just not study it. You do exactly the opposite. The more uncertainty you think there is, real or not, the more you study it. So the church's aversion to revelation and to preach truth about the end is, again, it's a failure of the church. There are a lot of, like, there are a lot of failures with the church right now, which is in line. with what Paul said would happen before the end shows or comes or arrives the church will be let astray fall back be weak the at least the superficial churches well that's the uh the churches the churches haven't been doing a good job for a long time not a long time nope I totally agree with you and that's for a variety of reasons I think one of which perhaps is um well no but you go back to and you'll have your things but I just go like okay

if I go back to what I said at the start, Jesus said, my Heavenly Father's got everything, but the world Satan has God. He's found a way to corrupt what Jesus created. Certainly. Absolutely. I was watching a Robin Hood movie.

It wasn't, it was the newest version with like Jamie Lee Fox. Not Jamie Fox. Jamie Fox. And I forget the guy. Anyways, it doesn't matter. It was a new age version. I wasn't that,

you know, I didn't really love it. Right. But who ends up being the evil one at the end is the church. Right. The church is pulling all the strings and they got all the money and the gold and they're just, they've made a mockery of church. And I'm like, well, that part actually, you know, yeah. It's like how can you corrupt?

I don't know. I don't know if this is right. But when you look at, when you read Jesus' story, how can you corrupt Jesus? Well, Satan tempts him with everything. Yep. I'll give you everything. Yep. Literally that.

It's exactly right. No, thank you. I'm like, thank you, but no, thank you. Yeah. And so then after he's out of the way, what do you tempt men with? Well, everything men want. Of course. And which is like money, power, women list goes on and on and on.

Never changes. Ease. Yep. And so over time, like the church or, yeah, honestly, the church, even, you know, like, it just, you look at Christianity in Canada's history. Yep. whether you're talking the Catholic Church, you're talking residential schools, you're talking,

actually I've heard some different stories now. I'd love to get to Quebec. Like I'd love to go just sitting. Because I've heard some stories out of the Catholic Church and what it did in Quebec as well. And you're like, you know, you go back to the, you know, way back when to when it was, you know, the French and the English and what they went on there.

And you're like, man, there's a lot of rich history here that has really done a lot. against Christianity than for it. You know, and you, and you fast forward to today's time, when you talk about you, you will, you know, you won't, you need to believe.

Right. Not just your works. Right. I'm a decent human being. You know, like, I'm just, I don't know what the big deal is, except the problem is that we just live through that. Right.

And my big argument with everybody always is, you know, you're like, you know, everything's so bad back in the time. I'm like, how about right now? Right. Where are we just persecuted everyone. It doesn't matter faith, color, creed, anything. How about now?

And the problem is, then when you do that, when you start arguing about that, that's what pulls you back to the Bible. Because you're like, I just need some sanity in my life. Can we just get some sanity? Sanity. Do you know what one of the hardest messages to tell men is as a Christian? It's no one's good. You're not good.

You're fundamentally evil. That's what Paul says in Romans 3. That's what Isaiah says. He says all of our works are like filthy rags. And men hate to hear that, which fair enough, it's an attack on their character. But the way I explain it is this. This is why it's impossible to do good works without the Almighty. Suppose you have a house, you have a beautiful house, and you step inside, open up the door, it's a grand entrance.

And as you're looking at this new house, you see all of these beautiful pieces of art, you see triple pane windows, you see a grand staircase. You know, you see beautiful decor, nice couches, appliances, etc. the entire, what you look at is beautiful. It's stunning. It's a beautiful house. But then the inspector comes, enters the door, opens the door, sees the same thing you do, says, looks good, nice decorating, nice couch, nice chair, you know, nice appliances, et cetera. But then he walks downstairs and he begins inspecting the basement. He says, nice walls, you know, nice windows, triple pane, nice lights, potlights, whatever it is. But then he looks at the concrete.

You see some concrete. And there's cracks, not small cracks. There are massive cracks in the concrete. And he goes, that's a problem. That's a big problem. And the homeowners can go, well, yeah, but look at all of the decor that I've set up. Look at my couches. Look at my paintings.

Look at my artwork. And the inspector goes, doesn't matter. This house is going to crumble. Look at the concrete. Look at the foundation of the home. It's breaking apart. And again, the homeowner can, you know, he can have a fury.

He can say the riches that I've invested in my master bedroom. My master bathroom has two tubs and his and her sink and all of these things. And the contractor or the inspector can go, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. The foundation is crumbling. So in the same way, man can go to the Almighty and say, look at my works. I helped the old lady cross the street. I gave poor individual's presents at Christmas.

I did all of these things which have value. And the Almighty can say, that's, you did. But the foundation, your foundation is cracked. It's crumbled. You don't believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Everything else, the whole house is going to tumble and fall because the foundation isn't set. It's not secure. It's not fixed.

It's not proper. It's not right. And so everything else is superficial on top of it because it's going to crumble. That foundation has to be there first. And if it's not, everything else is loss. Paul says, all my works are lost because it's the foundation that has to be set first. And so the scriptures give the law to show that. To say you've broken them, there's a proof that your foundation is cracking.

Or it's cracked. It's crumbling. And again, you can, you know, men can say all they want. They can say, I've done so many good works. It's like saying, I have so many pieces of art. It's like, unfortunately, that foundation is still broken. And you can add as many pieces of art as you want, you see. You can say, well, let me just add some more, let me just add some more decor.

Let me just add some more paintings on the wall. me just add some more expensive couches and it's like doesn't matter if anything that'll make it tumble faster the cracks in the foundation are still there and they're going to stay there until it's completely remade born again and yeah that's again that's just what that's what the scriptures preach paul says there is no one who does good all men have sinned all of them have fallen short of the glory of god well that's one to chew on yeah that one's one's one to chew on yeah and it's again that's one that's one that'll get you yelled out of the out of who knows where you are because it's so offensive to men's disposition.

Well, let's slide into the crude master final question, which is, what's next for Tanner? Ah. And if there is a way to help, how can we? Oh, I appreciate that. Well, what's next for Tanner is right now, actually, I've just started up on my website, www. tannernaday.com, just my name.com. I've started up a new exclusive service, subscription service, for videos, exclusive video.

exclusive videos and articles that you can't find anywhere else. The reason I did so primarily was because I didn't know if my page on Facebook and other social media would be censored with C-18. Now, as far as I know it hasn't been yet, whether it's being shadow banned is a different story. But either way, officially it hasn't been censored. But I still am working my hardest to try and offer as much content as possible on my website so that people can join the email list, keep with updates.

and then that way, no matter what happens with social media, they're still engaged with what you're doing, with what I'm doing. And so I'm writing articles from everything to Justin Trudeau to what we talked about today, to holidays, to morality, etc. And I'm producing videos on the same thing as well. It's been a lot of fun.

It's hard work, but it's good. Folks don't realize, but Tanner's going to take part. One of the things that we started up July, beginning of July was I went back on, well, I was always never left Patreon, but I'm actually been doing exclusive content for it and you're going to stay in here for an extra five minutes so we can do a little bonus for Patreon

so if you're interested in having a few more minutes with Tanner make sure that you click on the link in show notes so that you can see because that's one way to help support the podcast and people are always asking for a little bonus here and a little bonus and I'm like I'm like I'm trying to one of the things that you know I've been trying to work on it. It's extreme, like I admire it about you.

I admire about a lot of people is that you can tell you right a lot. Ah. Because you've got really well thought out positions, thoughts. You grapple with things. When you see something that really grabs at you, you know, you push on it. And one of the things that I do sitting in this chair is I listen a lot. Right. But I don't grapple with my own thoughts near enough.

And one of the easiest way to do that is to write it down. Absolutely. And then realize, well, that was a dumb thought. I mean that's the hardest thing about writing. It's true. Right? And one of the hardest things folks about a substack is to expose people to your thoughts. Yes.

Like I, oh, that really bothers me. And I tell you what, that's where we're going to start on Patreon. I've really enjoyed you hopping on here. I know people are getting, you know, I'm kind of curious to see if people get really pissed off. Yeah. Because up until this point, I've never done this before, where I've hidden part of the conversation away. Normally, I would be like, hey, thanks for coming in, and we'd sit and talk about this here anyway. Yeah.

And nobody get to hear any of it. Now we're going to be putting a little bit here and there on Patreon to try and help support the podcast and what we're doing and try and give people that want to support it some exclusive content and certainly have a little bit of fun with it. But either way, appreciate you coming on and doing this. Absolutely my pleasure. The last time before I let him out of here, folks, and go to Patreon.

Last time we joked around, it's like, oh, man. Because what's going to happen is people love when you come on. You should be doing more. And I was just throughout the point today, like, who should be coming on more regularly to Sean Newman podcast? And your name's been thrown out there. Late in Gray has been thrown in there. And one of the things I like about that you have over, let's say, if I could, I don't know, pie in the sky folks, pick whoever you want. Is there local?

Right. And they're actually could be in studio. Right. And in studio is a million times better than on. Anyways. Either way, thanks for hopping in and doing this again. My pleasure. We'll do it again sometime soon.