Shaun Newman Podcast - #488 - Ken Rutherford & Tanner Applegate

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

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For more information, visit them at Hancockpetroleum.com. The first is a college professor and owns Rutherford Appraisals. The second is one of the owners of Bollinger. Viking strength. I'm talking about Ken Rutherford and Tanner Applegate. So buckle up. Here we go. Now, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined today by Ken Rutherford and Tanner Applegate. You know, boys, you were way back. I had to remind myself of the last time you two were in here. And it was back. The first podcast I did after, what did I say, Tanner? Was it 53 days? I think it was 53 days. I keep saying 38, but it was actually closer to two months. I had him podcast, and you were the first ones I did after

while I'd done my show since then, I'd done my first ever show with Daniel Smith on stage and then, of course, coming back from Ottawa and everything else. And so it's almost uncomfortable to go back and listen to the conversations back then. Tanner probably hasn't gotten any lighten heart, more like light beat, like, oh, yeah, the world's in a better place right now. And I don't know where Ken's at, and certainly I've changed,

and I don't know, I've reached out because I'm just like, you know, it'd be interesting because at one point it was like every six months I had either the both of you one of you I was on your guys's podcast like you know right it was back and forth and so I just thought I would extend the invite and share a conversation so anyways thanks for hopping in fellas it's been enjoyable to have more and more conversations happening in the studio thanks for inviting us Sean yeah it's it's each time we meet it's like a little bit of a I think I mentioned this on one of the podcasts it's a snapshot in time isn't it you kind of get to say, oh, that's where my mind was at at that point. And boy, have I ever grown or shrunk or changed

or that. So I'm going older. Yeah, got older. Yeah. But thanks, Sean, for having us on. You've watching you. You've grown a lot in my view. And it's been nice to watch you as a friend grow and strengthen and change and improve and all the rest. So. Well, I was saying before you got in here, we're going to start here. Okay. This is, this is Twitter, August 23rd. This was Dr. Sean Baker, who he's been on the podcast once upon a time too, carnivore diet, etc. 14 major American cities are part of a globalist climate organization known as the C-40. Now, cities, climate leadership group, okay,

which is an ambitious target by the year of 2030 of zero kilograms of meat consumption, zero kilograms of dairy consumption, three new clothing items per person per year, zero private vehicles owned and one short haul return flight less than 1,500 kilometers every three years per person. The cities that it includes

American members include Austin, Boston, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, New York City, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, San Francisco, Washington, D.C. and Seattle. Sir, where is you reading that from?

I mean, it sounds like World Economic Forum Sustainable Development Goal kind of thing, but where's that coming from? The, oh, no, I'm downloading it. C for the future of urban consumption is the thing that just, I just down it. Arup.

The future of urban consumption and a 1.5 degrees Celsius world. C40 cities headline report. And then there's like a 40, no, it's more than that. It's a 68 page report. That sounds like we need sea levels to come up about 80 meters. in about 10 minutes. And it would be all gone? We'd have a pretty good world after them.

I got just... Well, no, I guess it's just interesting. I'm just sitting here and it's, I'm kind of jumping now from each of our conversations as we've come through what we've observed in the world. And I think I'm just a different person now, and I'm thankful for it, is I used to be fearful of those things. You know, fearful of the World Economic Forum,

fearful of 15-minute cities, fearful of they're not going to let me eat meat. And, I mean, it's a long journey. But first, let's discuss this. Let's discuss C-40 first before going to that. Sure. So thoughts. Ted and what you, you've probably got something colorful to say towards rich people of the world telling us how we will live and what we will consume.

What don't you take it away? Well, yeah. I mean, don't live in a fucking city. It's kind of that simple, isn't it? you go. I have my I have enough gals. I'm going to eat upwards of probably three kilograms of beef a day and as much dairy as I please and if anybody wants to come and debate that with me. We can we can do it. I'm going to be a so you're not going to be a salad, uh, salad eater. I don't, I told you that I don't, I haven't eaten,

I haven't eaten a fucking, betcha I haven't eaten a kilogram of plants in my whole life. and that's true. I don't have. So yeah, no, I do. If that's what you get, if you're going to go live in a city,

you deserve this shit. Yeah, I guess, what do you think, Sean? Well, I mean, I just,

I come back to a lot of these different things. I'm like, I don't think most people, even in the cities, have signed on to this. I don't think they want this, but there's that loud, very energetic

minority of people that, you know have been stomping their feet pulling their hair out the end of the world is coming the end of the world is coming and they are now in positions that are very influential and so they are like

I don't know I used to joke well I didn't joke I used to be like hey we're going into the dark fall or the dark winter and that was you know the winter actually the convoy happened now I look at it and I just you know I just had Chris Sims on and we were talking once again about like you know what the government plan is over the next seven years to 2030 and I'm like okay so worst case scenario Trudeau stays in

in the next seven years everything is like exponentially more expensive it's not even close it's it's you know like we're talking over two dollars a liter for for gasoline in Alberta that's the best case in our scenario for the most part and then you go and they want this no you know this they think meat is affecting the climate and they and on and on and on and on and on and on it goes And so you just go like, you know, at some point, you just have to go, they believe this, they're going to continue to push this unless a huge majority of people pop in and go, no, we want this no more. And I think that population is very well starting to form.

It's just there's still an influential positions. The wef is still the wef. They've been as loud as they've been ever. Certainly people are paying attention. But I wonder is, you know, I'm just for remembering because I, Sean and I, well, we all grew up in small town in Saskatchewan. Life was pretty simple when we were kids. Make you wait under the hockey rink.

You know, you knew the people in town that you could depend on and the people you didn't. And overall, it was a good place. Like I just, this whole getting into these globalists, world economic forum, these things, it was a lot for me to handle personally. And Sean, I mean, I don't want to go too deep in this, but, you know, I kind of hit a breaking point this winter. You know, think about it the last three years, you know, you go through the COVID lockdowns and lots of stress. and lots of worry and, you know, so I think I was worn down for that, and that I had a concussion from, from fight training. And I kind of hit a low point this winter where I was just, Sean,

you knew what was going on, but I just hit a really dark place. And, and I kind of just fell on my knees and just kind of came to a conclusion. I can't do this anymore. I can't just live in fear. I can't live in stress. I can't live in, I can't do it anymore. So it was my wife, actually. I just went to her, I'm like, it's weird. I don't know if I can do this anymore. I've always thought I consider myself a strong person and here I am just, you know, it's a big dark monster is what it appears to be. And so it was her suggestion. It just said, why don't we just look at all of our risks in our life? Where can they squeeze us? Let's just run down. Let's mitigate those losses. So I almost like when we're talking about people off in other worlds telling me how much I'm going to

eat, eat, how much meat I'm going to eat, maybe they will. I mean, suppose they'll be able to put a gun to my head at some point and do it. But until then, I'm just going to mitigate my risk and remove my reliance on all of them. So I'm kind of thankful that I think I'm in a much healthier place now. So Robert Kiyosaki, rich dad, poor dad, he has a podcast. And he's a bit of a doom and gloom guy saying that, you know, we're in for some trouble. There's some hardships coming. And he said, you got to take care of four things. Food, shelter, water, energy, right, to survive. And I've added a couple to that would be health and my relationships. So I just went through each one of those and said, okay, well, then my wife and I, we sat down. Well, how do we take care of each one of those? Well, food.

Well, they can squeeze me off at the grocery store. They can cut off my debit card. They can limit, they can force me to eat fake meat or bugs or whatever they want. Or I can just grow a garden. I can just hunt and I can just have my own animals, my own yard. So I did it. We've got a chicken tractor going in the yard. We've got 50 chickens on the go. We've got our own laying hands. me and all the boys and girls in our house, we all shoot, we got target practice up, we load our own shells, we're going to hunt, we process all our own meat. So they're not telling me that I'm not going to eat meat because I eat meat and I like meat. I'm going to continue to eat meat.

Water? Well, I've got a water well in the middle of my land. I just go get water, right? So to me, I just went through these losses. I think we can all do this. And the good news is, remember we've read anti-fragile by Nassim Taleb. And the good, the bad news is we've come through a lot of stress. The good news is we've come through a lot of stress.

And by going through that stress, you got two choices. Give up and lay down and die or figure out how to survive. And so I'm thankful now for the hardships that we've come through because it forced me to categorize my life and look at all these things and say, how can I get punt these people out of my life? Right. And so I kind of, you know, it's almost becoming laughable to me. Like I'm just not going to stop eating meat.

You know, maybe like Tanner's mentioned, the cities, I think you're at a greater risk living in the city, especially the big cities. How do you do a chair? contractor if the zoning laws don't permit chickens right but if that's your choices we'll move out of the city right you can buy a house in small towns of Saskatchewan still for 75,000 and go get a job trucking for a trucking outfit for for 90,000 dollars a year you can have that house paid off materials leave the city simple done right so I don't know I'm tired of these people

squeezing us everywhere we can and this anti-fragile it's forcing us to become stronger you know it to become decentralized so I'm good with it I'm liking it that was funny When I was a new YouTuber coming in, I'm like, I think Ken slowly turn it into Tanner. Yes, I got to say, I got to say, what was your old saying? Become hard to kill, right? And that's multifaceted. That's not just physical. That's mental, spiritual, right?

You know, your diet, how you think, your relationship with my wife, my kids, I'm just, I'm trying to remove all of these, mitigate my wrists and become, Hard to kill. Hard to kill. Yeah. And probably less, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? You're trying to take away all your pain points. So if they, you know, if the grocery prices go up by $300, whatever per bill, it's like,

you know, we get like three things from the grocery store. What do you do, right? Like that's probably, you know, we wouldn't have this conversation on and off because obviously I still live in town. I got all my family living out of town, right? And, you know, it's like, well, how much kid you do while living in town and make sure that you can, you know, do this, do that? How much do you just, you know, barter and create this little society outside of their society?

So when they bring down all these new stories, like the newest one, have you seen all the stuff on this new variant of COVID-19 they're talking about, right? and I'm like I haven't honestly I can't even tell you what the name is I can't tell you like for my personal brain I see it I see them all talking about it I'm like I don't care and if they require us to wear masks

I just go well I'm just not going to is that like I just I don't care and I and everybody's in a big you know thing about it and I don't get me wrong I mean if society goes back to where we were before trucker convoy certainly

there's going to be some protests at and certainly there's going to be some difficult days and everything else but I mean the lines have been drawn I feel like by now and I don't know if it has much of an effect so I mean when you put it that way Ken you're probably right you're probably bang on it's like don't be reliant on the system

and then when it decides to you know do all these different things you don't have to jump and bend to its will it's funny though because you're going as hard as ever with the group in Saskatchewan you know like you know, think about it, boy, since we talked. Yeah, it's been a journey. I mean, I could be wrong on this. And Tanner, you can certainly be like, no, that didn't happen.

But I'm like, I feel like you sold Viking Gym. Now Viking Gym is in motion fitness, which for people not in Lloyd, that's like the nicest location for a gym in Olive. I think, I could be wrong. Some gym owners will get mad at me for that. But I'm like, no, it's the best. It's a nice facility. It's the bestest there now.

right you know and it's funny that's happening a year uh well Ken ran for the Mavericks then left that then we went

I was just talking about today going to uh I don't know if you remember this going to a meeting he's passed now the pastor oh Pastor Perry Pastor Perry

going to his church for like an upstart political meeting that never amounted to what they were talking about and they were carrying around this book everywhere and I was like Is this is this is this Is this like a Bible study Weird group people political party?

I'm like this is too much for me Until you know like now everybody knows I was just Tanner's like How's the podcast? I don't know I talked about Jesus For two and a half hours for a bit And Yeah I know

It's it popped out of one ear Kenny Oh good There you go It's the connection on the old Yeah I feel like I'm backwards Tanner's doing the sound and he's like, oh, we got to take up a guy's name so you sound like Joe Rogan.

Hey, Jake. Hey, Jake. Can we fix that? Nice work. Jake. Jake, can you look this up for me? Jake's the guy that's working for me out of St. Louis. Oh, there's.

Come on, Jake. Get it together here. Anyway, anyways, I go down the line of all the things that a year can just flip over. And certainly it's kind of what we've done in the past of like, oh, look at the, look at the changes that have happened. But I mean, like, now you've tried living. I'm looking at Tanner right now. You've tried living off the grid.

I mean, you have lived off the grid. I did, yeah. I did it. I mean, I went to solar and propane only, and we can do it. I just with the gym stuff, like, I need to be closer to town. How enjoyable was it being off the grid? Oh, it was good. Yeah.

Well, I shouldn't say that. Sometimes it was good. Sometimes it was fucking horrendous. What was horrendous about it? I'm just kind of curious. But people don't understand, like, I think I said this in one of our podcasts earlier is that everybody watches a little bit of YouTube

and then they're fucking survival experts and off-the-grid experts and all this stuff. It's hard. I mean, you, to completely, if you're going to go completely self-sustaining, let's say, you're going to have a hell of a time having a job or having kids in sports or school, stuff like this. Like it's, like you wake up in the morning

and you're planning a week's worth of not fucking dying, essentially. And the colder it gets, the more this ramps up, right? Because you make a mistake in the winter. And if you can't get anywhere, well, you're done. Like I had one morning I woke up in November and it had rained, or not rain, snowed. I don't know, like not even that much, maybe six, eight inches, but the wind came in.

I had an eight foot snow drift on the way, like getting out. So I had to actually wait for somebody, like my tractor wouldn't dig it out because I only got like an 85 horse tractor. So I had to wait for a four-wheel drive tractor to come and actually dig me out of that place, right? Now, you have a medical problem in that point? Well, if you don't have the medical supplies to save your life, well, you die or your kid dies or whatever. So a lot of what you're doing is preparing, like, if wood,

you get some bad wood even like you make sure you have good firework because if you get shitty firewood all of a sudden it goes out in the night and you're freezing your ass off and like I don't know Ken would probably know this more because he's like 94 years old but like

as you get older you piss way more all night right so that hasn't happened to me yet which tells me you're aging quickly yeah I am surpassing me I am I'm looking almost as old as you now is yeah but I mean you have a pissing in the night and it's minus 40.

Well, like, you wake up. So you have, so one thing you wake up in the middle of the night, there's a, your fire gets a little bit cold. Well, 15 degree temperature swing in your cabin and you wake up. And then you got to have a piss. And then you got to try to go back to sleep after you've just went out and pissed in minus 40 while you, that wakes you up. So you get like two, three hours of good sleep a night, maybe, right?

Stuff like that. There's just, but then you get used to it. Like eventually your body acclimatizes to it. But I don't think. think many people out there could get through the climatization process. They just, it'd just be too damn hard for them when you can just say, well,

you know, I'll just go get all my fucking vaccines and boosters and get back in society. And away we go. A lot of people would do that. In my experience of doing it, but I've got it dialed in now. It's good. We got,

I can, I'm in town. Like I said, I've got to get this new business venture off the ground. But, and saying that too is I want to correct you. I didn't sell it. I had a couple guys.

I didn't know. Once again, I knew. Which is actually a great story for what we were talking about before. So we, the reason why this happened, so people that don't know this, and I'm not going to get long-winded about talking about myself on this deal, but they, we started the gym in, or I did in, I don't know, like 10 years ago. And it was literally, it was all. donated equipment, right? I bought a little bit of shit, but very little because I was fucking broke.

And I started this thing. It was like a shop bay. I don't know if you were ever there. You might have been there. I worked out a couple times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Anyway, then I just stuck with it and kept going.

And then we ended up in a bigger bay and then COVID hit. Not like eight years into it or seven years. But I wouldn't, I refuse to follow anything, right? That's been well documented. Well, here's a feather in your cap. The first, you know, people know for kids' sake now, right? The group in town. But the first ever meeting I ever went to that even resembled for the kids' sake.

Yeah. Which had three of the people that eventually became part of its, I don't know what you would call it, but group that helped form it were in that we met near like. It was in the. It was in like before it ever became the podcast room, before it ever became the coffee shop, before it came any of that, we were meeting there. That was the first, that was the first meeting. Yeah.

And that wasn't a, in my opinion, wasn't a great meeting. No. But at the same time, it was a meeting, and it was the first time. It was the first time I ever met Tara Anderson. That was you, for the kids' sake, I mean, among you, you and Tara. Yeah. We're sitting in that room. Yep.

And I had no idea who Tara was. I had no idea who half that room was. There was lots of people in there. There certainly was. Anyways. Yeah, so they, yeah, I forgot about that. But they, um, So yeah, I basically said, fuck you to the government and just kept carrying on.

And we got, we blew up, obviously, because all the other gyms were shutting down and kicking people out. So I took all those people in and, like, I think I think it's been documented on here before. So I won't run on it too much. But we blocked out the windows and basically just kept going. And lo and behold, our major competitor, we didn't even know was a competitor at the time, shut down. and basically have said it was from COVID. And I believe it's because of the measures they took, forcing people out, right?

And so we went now and we're the biggest gym in town now. That's a cool story, isn't it? Yeah. So we went literally, like the way this world's supposed to fucking work is those big corporations are supposed to come and buy me out. Right? This isn't supposed to go the other way. You know what I mean?

So we basically took down the fucking giant essentially. And now we're sleeping in his bed. It's a cool story though because right now you're seeing it with media, right? Or probably a whole bunch of different things. Yeah, you're a similar story, aren't you? Well, I don't know if the Sean Newman podcast is the story. I mean, you might look towards maybe say what Joe Rogan has done. And certainly, like Tucker Carlson just the other night, guys,

uh, you know, I don't know what the Republican debate got, but within like 12 hours, I don't even know what was that. Tucker Carlson and, um, Donald Trump didn't go into debate. And on their, on Twitter, they had 78 million views. And that was like, geez, as I sit here, I'm like, I wonder how, what they're sitting at. Uh, uh, for views on their like, I don't know. I'm going to put it in parentheses, debate. But like, insane.

numbers. It is at 233 million people. Like, so when you, when you talk about like the big guy's supposed to come, it's because everything is changing. They made a critical error. And the error was you segregated people out and you told them and you're a business and you, you know, we just want your business. Like just leave us out of all this extra stuff. And the people who, I think, the people that, the reason your story is, it's really cool is because, yeah, there was some people, there was probably a ton of people that kept going to motion. But motion looked at the bottom line and went, oh man, we lost. And Ken will know how the numbers work.

You're the numbers guy. But they probably went, we can't. Like this isn't a, where did all the people go? Even though they probably still had strong numbers. And so they go, we can't be in Lloyd. There's not enough business there. And you're like, well, we'll just take over that building. We'll take over your existing customers and add in everything we gained.

And now all of a sudden we're the biggest business in Lloyd. I'm paraphrasing and you can tell the story and you know the numbers better and I ever will, but to me, that makes sense. Media is the same thing. You know, it's like, Tucker Carlson, Fox goes, see you later, buddy. Don't like what you're doing. And within like three months,

he's had RFK from the Democrats, which is arguably one of the biggest names out there talking the way he's talking. And then just had Donald Trump, who is the biggest name from the Republicans. And what did I say, 233 million people? Like, yeah. I wonder if you are a small version story of that though, Sean. Like, you know, as much as we think Lloyd Minster's big, we're a 35,000 person city.

True, right? And, but so Tanner's story, you know, in terms of local media, I mean, look at what you do. I mean, you're a professional podcaster now. Joe Rogan just did it on a mass scale, right? But this is kind of happening everywhere, isn't it? You know, sometimes I think we, if you come from a place of fear, you think that these people are just going to squash us all out and just step on us like ants. but there's lots of there's lots of room for hope as well and you can see that you know in in uh in business they'll say you know the strongest will survive right it's like nature right well we get into

the seam till I'll begin and if you can figure out how to stay strong and survive you know there might be all kinds of opportunities coming you know we're in a mass period of turmoil we've obviously have war massive government debts increasing interest interest rates going up, inflation is going up, you know, there's just fires, what do we, aliens, you know, the world's in a state of mass, mass. I forgot about all the things. Yeah, we've got the aliens. It's like, it's almost laughable.

Like, and by us laughing at it, we're removing the power, right? It's a little bit. Well, I just, I just think it's, it's like they've thrown the absolute book at us to try and get us all back in and nothing's sticking anymore. And everybody's just like, I don't know. So I wonder if people. Don't look at you and Tanner and say where's my risk? How do I shore those up? So I don't have to rely on on on wherever they can squeeze me and there might be all kinds of opportunities coming. You know, just whoever's still standing at the end of this, you know, maybe the world's your oyster. Yeah. Right.

Well, you're still standing. Yeah. I know. I don't. I think if you have there's so one dimensional. that it's not and they I don't know what I mean because I don't care actually anymore you know but at the same time is they have they have one thing that they can play and that is feelings fear yeah well fear feelings yeah yeah so if you don't feel stuff you don't feel fear pretty simple so like they they have to like everything they play off of is like the entire if you want to call their religion woke wokenism or whatever it is it's all based upon sorry for something and then you feel sorry for it so then you're like well let's let this happen it's like don't ever do that if it's not strong don't like

if it's not the if it's not for what's best not for what's strong and just ignore it so like it's this is what do you consider strong anything that is self-reliant can handle itself anything that needs help I don't know if you need help it or not a baby fuck that's a baby I don't just let you yeah I'm just gonna let the kid it's like a cow just kick him out

he's like well either you get up and you think you're responsible for your children but you're not responsible for some fucking kid in africa tell you that it's not your fucking responsibility not your people not your problem but they're gonna try to sell it that it's your problem they're gonna try to sell you that all these fires that are everywhere

that's your problem that's not your fucking problem Don't worry about that. We worry about your own shit. Maybe it could be though. Like Jordan Peterson, what is it, clean your own? Well, he starts with clean your room. If you can do that, then maybe you can do your house. And if you can get that in order, then maybe you can go as far as, you know, maybe it's

your work or a community group and you go bigger and bigger and bigger. And that's where he's at now with, I forget what they're calling it. Is it the ARC group? It's pretty large idea or a goal that he has. You know, he's another one. He just, he's been, I don't know, is it convicted or he's been found guilty or whatever. I didn't read the tweet today, but he lost that case. He lost the case with his, with the board of.

Yeah, of psychologists of Ontario, I think, is it? Yeah, I can pull it up here. What's the governor? Was it Ontario? Because he's an Ontario. Yeah. Because, yeah, because he lives in Ontario. It's their system.

Yeah. Do you, like, we're playing, like, if you, you're playing their game, you're going to lose. Oh, it's another risk point. It's like as I'm advising my children on their careers. So the Ontario Court of Apprault, Ontario Court of April, a parole ruled that Ontario can pursue their prosecution. Anyways, that's the latest one.

Once again, I think I've even heard Jordan talk about. But he had a video on it last night, just saying that he lost his appeal on. But you can see for him, and I've heard him talk about it, he talked somewhere, about having multiple streams of income. So if one chokes off, you're not dead in the water.

Yeah. So what does he make off of his professional psychologist? Well, it no longer matters. Like, it's like he makes a dollar, a dollar a month off of that. And he makes millions off anything else. So this is more about principal farm now. They, like, it's like, take away his license. What's it going to do to nothing?

So he's, he's anti-fragile. He looks pretty fragile some days, but he's getting better. I don't know. Yeah. When we, when we, It's a ways to be strong, hey? Well, but if you're dead, you can't do shit. When we first saw him, I thought he looked, I think he looks better now.

Although he dresses, you know, he's, I don't know how many thousand dollars. I don't know, yeah, I don't. He's probably got people helping him to. I can just imagine being somewhere and seeing that he's fighting over social media training. And people being like, why? does he care like just go do it i can just i can just hear it because they haven't they haven't figured out yet what this is all coming down to you know like on and on and on the game goes yeah he eats meat only yeah he is actually is me yeah i think his daughter does as well he better

get out of the c50 city c40 c40 c40 cities he won't be he's meat he might be rich enough to afford it i think that's how they're going to get the meat too i didn't say that earlier they'll just price it out of year. Well, yeah, so I agree. I don't think it's going to pull off the shelves. I think it's going to be, they'll just slowly make it so expensive. You'll be back to eating craft dinner and different things like that. Well, it's like four bucks a pound right now is what your market weight is on some steers, right?

So that's getting so damn close to your, like hamburger wasn't four bucks a pound 10 years ago. No. So now they're pricing, like they're, it's going to get. The farmers are going to think sweet. I'm going to sell all my cows for all this and where do they go right back into the government system and then nobody will have any. And now they're setting people up too because human nature is. So the same thing with cattle and farming is they're, they're making it look more lucrative than it is. And people are going to overcomit and then collapse it.

As we're talking. So, be careful. I'm so glad I went through a tough winter. May I jump in for a one? I can tell my brain's doing, I'm back, right? To me, is back. Well, like I said, I had a pretty tough winter with all the concussion, all that stuff. And I, I'd like to encourage people because it's scary to think about these people.

And you think about Agenda 2030. What is that? It's 2030. Well, we're 2023. That's seven years away. Right. And I think there's a lot of people hurting. There's a lot of people that are having trouble making ends meet. There's a lot of people that are, what happens if they cut off my meat?

What if they happens they've cut off my heat? What happens? And as I'm here, I'm like, I can't spend any more time stressing about what they want to do with me. I have to short my weaknesses so that I can mitigate that. And so to me all these, like for example, the meat thing. Yeah, they might want to cut off meat. It's really for us, at least I think. No, no, it's not that they might.

They do. No, they want to. And they're going to try. instead of stressing about it, just fix the problem. Take out a piece of pen and a paper. It was this simple. And I got to give a lot of all the credit on this one to my wife is take out a piece of pen and paper, write down the things you're fearful. Let's start with this. The stop being fearful. There's nothing I had to overcome. So, you know, there's scripture, Sean, and I know Tanner doesn't believe, but I do. You know, the one that helped me through the winter, second Timothy one seven, for God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of sound mind. So therefore, it was actually Joy Stephan that said, Ken, you got to be careful with being fearful because that's, that's a sin. Like, oh boy, I am. I was living in too much fear. And so between that and Joy Stephan and my wife, well, guess how easy it is to take care of your meat consumption?

Like even if you don't want to hunt, like to like chicken. So this chicken tractor, you go to PV Mart. You pay $3.15 for a chick, right? So we bought 50. I throw them in a chicken tractor on the yard. We dump a pail of grain to them And we fill up water once a day And we move the pen

And five or six weeks later We have 50 times I don't know what weight do those chickens get to Well, it depends what you go You got giant cornish Yeah, cornish You get a little Like a small turkey

Maybe like seven pounds, eight pounds And then you get say, I don't know Four pounds of meat off of one Yeah, so 55 Or four pounds of carcass Yeah, they're big Like they're when you eat them They're gonna be like a small turkey

So there's two We just keep them longer It's 52 chickens, one chicken per week, and there's two protein meals per week done just from 52. And you're going to have $500 into this, not counting some food. There you go. Just go do it. So drop the grocery store, go make your own meat or go to a farmer and establish a relationship with Brian Hayden. Right.

And just say, hey, could I just come out to your farm and give you $400 every X number of months or weeks? And can you just drop some grass fed beef in my trunk? There you go. Get rid of these grocery stores. It's a choke point. right find your way to survive without them and now you've removed their power and now you don't have to live in fear anymore yeah just do it understand what you're probably actually even sitting here Kenny listening to you you've reminded me you know like when you have a problem just just

start to talk about it learn about it exactly because once you educate yourself you can be like oh I could just do this you know I like the the mortgage rates one of the things that I tell this story from time to time. I'm sure my wife wanted to just absolutely smack me. We talked about it for like two straight years. Me and the brothers just nonstop, nonstop. And at that point, they were down to 1.49, I think is that as low as it got here? Something right in that, you know, and everyone's like, well, just lock in or just do a five year.

I'm like, yeah, but me and the brothers keep talking about what we want tenure. Like it just, you're not getting as low as this in the near future. And what they're doing is going to drive it the complete opposite way. and I remember going and talking to banks back then and they couldn't see it. Oh, no, what are you talking about? You know, and I'm not saying I'm some genius. I'm not. What I am saying is what Ken is talking about,

what Tanner has done with living off the grid is like if you think it's a problem, you think you have a problem, then start looking at it, start talking about it and search out your solutions because what you'll find is there are solutions. Most people, they can't see what you see. Most people don't put that much energy into their food source. We've been conditioned to there's a food source. It's called the grocery store.

And, you know, prices go up, prices go down, beef goes up, chicken goes down. Maybe you're out without meat for a little bit, blah, blah, blah, blah. But now there's this huge community that, you know, seeing them, you know, toss around the idea of putting vaccines in the meat. Oh, they're going to. And you're like, but I don't want that. So now what are you going to do? Well, you got to figure it out. As my wife would say, Sean, you just got to figure it out because I ain't spending any time on this.

It's a good point. Fair enough. I tell you what, I'll go figure it. out right like yeah and if you're if the interest rates of caught you and you're in some giant house and you really don't you know the again wrestled with this is uh I can tell my my reliance on the good book has increased a lot and you know there's scripture that talks about don't don't build up yourself treasures here on earth right build up the treasures that are part of the everlasting life so if you're in a giant house and the interest rates are too high and

and it's stressing you out, get rid of it. You know, like Alan Lorenz, you know, best friend, you know, rec tech sponsors you. He always talks. He's done well as a big shop and has a house and that now. He said his happiest days as a families when he lived in a, was that a 12 by 40 trailer, mobile home? Like he moved in some $10,000 trailer onto the farm and said,

why? Because they were always in each other's mist. Like just to walk down the hallway, they actually had to rub shoulders, you know, and so they were always in each other's mist. As soon as you get a house with a big base, One's down playing video games. One's watching in the TV room downstairs. One's on the computer upstairs.

He's just said, we can be in the same house. We don't see each other. You got a big house that's stressing out. Get rid of it. Just go live in a thousand square foot house. Look at you. What's your worst case scenario? You go back to living in your farmhouse.

That's, oh, too bad. It's 75 years old and it's... Well, I always joke, but we've been down in the States now twice since I've been podcasting. So I've got to take the work on the road. And we've gone down to Minneapolis, where Mel's parents still live.

seven or siblings, and you jam five of us into a rab four. And anyone who doesn't know how big a rab four is, you're sitting on each other pretty much. And yet last year we did 11 days. We went down south through Montana and Wyoming, and you get the point. And then this summer we went down through, well, I know on the way back, we came back through South Dakota and we spent five days. Anyways, those days on the road, and this is no knock on her family, this is just what you're talking about, being on top of one and a, We're the best time in the entire trip. Like being...

Beautiful, isn't it? Yeah. It's just like, you have your moments where you want to... I'm sure they want to kill me and I want to kill them. And you're just like, I can't take it anymore. You know, somebody cries one more time. Your wife's thinking, do I dump this in his tea when he's not looking? Or do I let him live for the day?

We watched... Dan in real life. You ever seen that movie? No. Steve Karel from the office and everything. his wife has an affair on him with Kevin Bacon and it's right at the start of the movie and we have this joke because

from the from the start of the at the start of the movie she's trying to explain to him that I've had an affair and I'm just you know like there's nothing between us anymore we're still really good friends and I and he he opens the door because they're driving down like some like residential street doing probably like 30 kilometers an hour and he just tucks and rolls up the people

I've said that scene and so And Mel and I are really in a position where somebody, you know, it's like, you're like, you're trying it and you're like, you know, and it's, it's a, I don't know, it's a funny way the two of us, you know, I got pulled over by cops. Did I tell you this? No, in the States? In Wyoming, I think of, ah, no, it was Montana. I was doing, I was doing like 79 and a 70 or something. And it was right at the end of like our longest day, 12 days in that vehicle, or 12 hours in that vehicle. And the kids were saying, dad, cops going to take you to jail. I said something along the lines of

Yeah, I'll finally get a moment of peace And they said, what? I said, nothing, kids, you won't know what I'm talking about And me and Mel are both laughing at the front It's just little things like that you can't, you know, In a big house and a big whatever, Everybody's distracted, I totally get it. And, you know, sometimes you think,

You can think, you know, this is going to suck Like we're taking a step back or whatever it is It might be the best thing you need. Sure. Like, I mean, some of the, you know, the Chinese farmer story about the maybe I keep bringing that up but I mean like I've seen that play out in so many people's lives now you know like maybe just just maybe you don't know if it's good or bad or if the bad today doesn't bring something great or

beautiful tomorrow right maybe you know the stress of the last few years I I had to go through it to become a better person maybe maybe more stress therefore is wanted right you know it's it's like we all want easy but it's like getting under a squat rack, you know, the only way you're going to get stronger legs is by putting more weight on it, by putting yourself through more pain or jiu-jitsu, right? Go get, go through the meat grinder, as they say, that's the only way you can get stronger. And so then, let's look at how much better my life is right now. You know, I'm walking in my backyard this summer. We read Marcus Aurelius Meditations in our book club, Sean, and, and I remember there's a one of the things you

talk about who's taught is make your home, your place of your holiday. You know, so you don't have to have a condo in Hawaii to be happy. Make your house your place of happy. Right? And so I just did that. I was just like, you know what? I don't need to go anywhere. You know, I've got my wife that loves me and my kids are right here and I have a fire pit right in the back and and we've all been to that house haven't we where you walk in and you're like it's just a I don't know if happy place is the right the right? Man it's a state of mind. This really seems like a place I want to be around right? Yeah. Like you don't have to go out to and you know, I'll pick on a sponsor in the best possible way. You don't have to go out to three trees. I'm to have a good time and a good meal and if you so choose a beverage, right? Like literally you can sit on the back deck. All you're looking for is the company.

And sometimes you don't even need that. Like Mel and I, we paid off her, since we last talk, we paid off her student loans from university in the States, right? That was a, I was like, we got to celebrate this. I'm like, this is a big to do. And so we sat on the back deck, just the two of us, and popped a bottle of champagne that's been probably sitting up in the cupboard for,

I don't know, like who drinks champagne? Honestly, like, I mean, I don't know, like, used to be on New Year's, and we don't even do that anymore, I don't think. And so we sat on the back deck and nothing crazy, little tiny fire and just a random, I forget what day of the week that was and celebrated a milestone in our lives. Because to pay off that loan, like, I mean, that took time and dedication and putting a lot of money towards it and everything else, right? Like, it wasn't a easy endeavor, you know. You remember that for the rest of your life? Well, it was a cool. That's a snapshot in Sean's life.

Yeah, a cool thing to share with Mel, honestly. Because we talked about it. You know, you set a goal, and I know Ken's big on goals. You set a goal and you're like, yeah, five years. Yeah, we could have that done. Wouldn't that be cool? And then you write it out, you're like, oh, that'll be cool. Five years we'll get, you know, and once again, student loan paid off.

And I'm like, all right, yeah. Imagine five years from now when we don't have a student loan. Now a lot of things have happened since that five years was set, you know, a lot of roadblocks. But we never stopped. we never went well we got to put this on the side burner for a year and we'll get back to it we just found a way to you know drag on through it and we got to pay it off like yeah it's a big i don't know that that was a special moment even and you got to celebrate those but you also got to create a place where you don't need to go out and spend $700 to celebrate it right we didn't spend a dime

we found an old dusty bottle of champagne that was probably from somebody's birthday they got brought over or somebody, maybe the wedding, I don't know, like, I don't know when. You're so hamstrung by your materials and vices nowadays, right? Like, everybody's got to have, and the internet does a very good job of conditioning the youth out, everything you have isn't good enough. But like, like, how many people, like, we're talking about the vaccines, they've got vaccinated so that they could go on holidays and so they could travel. And I've had this argument so many times with people because they're like, well, I'm like,

well, don't go on holidays. They're like, you don't go on holiday? I'm like, my life is a fucking holiday. Yeah, that's Markerserilius right there. Is that what he said? Yeah, it's along those lines. That prick, right? I was just going to write a book about that.

No, but seriously, like, I think about, and I kind of get the weird stink eye when I say that, but literally my life is a fucking holiday for the most part. It's like, yeah, I don't do anything I don't really, like, that I hate, right? But you go on a trip, you spend a whole bunch of money, you're through, you're through, You're usually driving just to get on a plane where you're in a fucking goddamn giant hot dog for seven hours, going at 10,000 kilometers and hours of the fucking air.

Well, some fucking probably tranny's driving the goddamn thing, just hoping to hell they don't slam you to the side of a fucking mountain. Just to show up in a place where you sweat your bag off for three days with a bunch of fucking people that don't speak English. Usually you end up getting in a fight with your old lady and your kids just to fucking get back on the giant hot.

dog getting your truck and get home. And then you need three weeks to decompress from your vacation so you can go back to work. It's like, that sounds fucking terrible. Yeah, we got fooled. It's like get a go to go to the cigar shop and get yourself about a $40 fucking cigar and a bottle of bourbon. Sit on your deck, man. That's the best fucking holiday you'll ever have. My life's a fucking holiday.

Like I get, I hang out with fucking the people I want to for the most part. I don't know, man. We're all so fucking soft. The weed store. Fuck you drive by the weed store is parking lots full. You know what I mean? Like a bunch of addicted little bitches everywhere. Just keeping reality.

And then all they got to do is just pinch you on that. And you're like, okay, do whatever you want. Just don't take away my weed and my fucking trip to Maui. Although Maui's not looking so sexy right now. Or Kelowna. Well, they look the same. Yeah. Yeah.

Just go to your fire pit and pretend you're in Maui. No, the summer, I kind of, thank God, he was able to kind of, I think, mature and grow. Just kind of came to the realization, I used to be like, oh man, maybe next year I'll sell that boat and I'll get a little bit nicer boat and then we're going to have some fun in the lake. You know, then, you know, we'll just got to just build a bit bigger house or just go a little bit further on our vacation or and just having going through the winter and thank God they put me through what they did. I got to the to the powers that be that did what they did to us. I got to thank you. This is Ken Rutherford thanking you for for doing this to me. Because it crushed me and made me have to go around and go, what's the most important things.

Well, we knew those basic things that I mentioned to survive. But right now, I have my health. I don't have an addiction. My wife loves me. She says she does anyways, most days. My kids are healthy. I walked around my yard this summer and I picked fresh Swiss chard and lettuce and peas out of my garden and raise these chickens and we have meals that we sit down and eat everything that

our hands made just don't need anything else i just don't need anything else i'm i'm in a happy place and and thank god they did it to me because i would still be chasing the nicer boat and i don't need that nicer boat anymore you know what are you thinking fuck these podcasts suck when everybody's not complaining ken i'm done complaining they used to be so much more It's so much more interesting when we were mad at the world. Oh, they push me to a point. They pushed me to a point where I had two, I think I had two choices. Either A, go insane and then numb the pain with an addiction, whether that's porn or Netflix

or booze or your marijuana stores that you're mentioning, or I could just figure out how to stand back up and come out of this. And thanks to, thanks to me to God, I stood up. And then that forced me to go, okay, what's really important in my life? and everything else has to fall away, period. And so here I am. And so I don't want to, got to be carefully. My life is far from perfect.

Have a lot of things to work on. But again, knowing where I wasn't, and when I see what's happening, I think there's probably going to be a lot of people in a severe amount of stress right now. And remember, you can't stay in that place of stress. It's, what is it, cortisol? Cortisol.

Is that the stress hormone? Yeah. You know the fighter flight? You can't stay in that for too long. So if you're in a place of stress right now. adrenaline, which then creates cortisol. Sit down with a pen of paper and just work out, what's my stressors? We did a fan tabulous thing once upon a time.

And I can't remember, is it a vision board? Is that what I'm thinking about? I thought of his poppycock. I actually feel like I'm going to chat on my inner tanner here when he first met me and he's like, this little puke's going to do a podcast, right? Like I remember doing jiu-jitsu on my short stint, you know, and going up against. Your short stint because you're short? Or because you weren't there very long.

Because I wasn't there. But it's funny. Go back to the first time I ever did a podcast. My first episode one, origin story, Ken Rutherford. I flick it on with a shitty acer computer and two mics and I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I'm just so excited to do it. We talked for like 28 minutes. I'm uncomfortable at a minute 14.

Ken's uncomfortable about the book club. We always like, are we going to talk about that? I'm like, yeah. That's the one thing that I wasn't uncomfortable. That's supposed to be a mic check, not an episode. Right, and that became episode one, because I was just like, you know, I sent it around and people were like, yeah, that was hit that with you. Okay, all right. And anyways. So, you know, like, now I've lost my train of thought. Damn it. It's just, where are you going? Hope, fighting back, persevering. It doesn't matter. But it guess for me, like, again, uh, uh.

You think we're drinking, we're all drinking coffee at this point. Yeah, right at the, yeah, look at that. And it would have been, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, scotch or beers at this point. And we wouldn't know each other's names. Tyward died. Well, we had one of those. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. That was the first one we ever did in here. Yeah, yeah, that was in the... Until like three in the morning.

Yeah, that was... Two in the morning, I think. I got in shit for that. We all got in shit in a man. But when I stumbled, people came along and stood by my side, Sean, you're one of them. And I just, I don't want to... Because if you're in a place of stress

and you hear other people saying, oh, I just sat down a piece of paper and figured out my problems. Oh, the vision board. The vision board. Yeah, there we did the vision board. Yeah. And this was... So I go back and I go with,

I thought it was really, not a dumb idea, but I'm just like, this isn't going to work. Can I say what it was? Yeah. First before. So what is? I had an old business partner years ago, a little bit flaky, but I was like, I fine, I'll do it. And the guy was a pretty intense dude, Black Belt, Taekwondo, bodybuilding champ of Alberta, engineer,

multi-billionaire. And he was like, can you've got a goal set? I'm like, I don't know, maybe, maybe not, right? And he said, no, just sit down, trust me. Sit down, map out your life and say, where do you want to be by each point? So I I realized I could think out was maybe five years or ten years. I just wrote down my goals, what year am I going to do them by? And then I made a cut out pictures that represented my goal as best as possible.

I glued them on a piece of paper. I've got it last night. I still got it in my office downstairs. Well, doggone, if all of it wasn't finished within I don't, I'd have to go back, five, eight, 10 years, maximum 10 years. So then I told Sean, I'm like, Sean, you want a podcast. Like, you should sit down on a vision board. Like draw your goals.

Because if you've, if you can say it, if you can visualize it, If you can write out, actually it's going to be done by this date. It takes on a different meaning than someday I'd like to be. It's like within three years I want to do this. And so take over, Sean. So you just go like do something simple, like write down your goals. And so I force Mel and I do it every year. And then I just kind of like keep them.

Because, you know, one of the things Ken had said back then was like, you know, just put it in a box. Like you don't have stared every day. I'm sure if you do stare at it every day, it's probably better. Sure. It's probably better. But at the same time, if you write it down, there's something very powerful in writing something down.

And so at the time, I wrote down I wanted to be full-time podcasting in five years' time. I thought that was an insane idea. I certainly thought about that more than, say, a couple of the other goals. But I was full-time podcasting in three years. That's what ended up happening. And one of the things is I wanted to do an episode a day or an episode a week for 52 weeks. And then I got to the point where, you know, I'm doing 200 and some episodes in a year now, right? And it's just, you know, like if you, if you aim at something, this is Peterson.

This is, this is, if you aim at something, it's pretty crazy. You actually turn and start to look at it. And then you get, you, it's a natural thing. It's a natural thing. And so wherever you're sitting, you know, you just, where do you want to be? Write it out. Yeah, if you're in a place of stress right now, right, which I think a lot of our people are, just map it out. It's hard, it's hard not to be when the cost of everything is going up. Sure. You thought, you thought, you thought, certain things were fixed. They're not. You thought, you know, like this carbon tax will never, oh, it's here.

You thought the government was here to take care of you. Second carbon. Second carbon tax is in. Everything's going up. Price everything's going up. Your winter this year, more expensive. Like, one of the things that is going to be interesting to watch, even for myself, is like home heating.

Like, everything's going up. Like, it's, you know, and everyone's like, well, P.P., Pierre Poleev is going to get in, and he's going to, everything's going away. I'm like, is it? Is it? Nope. Anyways, sorry. Just to hop in because that was one of the first things I did was write it up.

Like, and I don't know what it is about the act of writing that is so important, but it is very important. Everything's mental, right? And to say someday I'm going to do a little bit of this or I might go there, right? But as soon as you like see right now, you've mentally drawn the target. And so now you actually have something to compare to. Am I going closer to target or further away from the target? It's just a mental way of saying it. and another so it's Jordan Peterson I've talked to on your podcast before about that start with

the end in mind right you know any bumps along the road that Jenny and I've had on our marriage I just I wrote down at that that day my at the end I will be 90 years old I'll be on my front deck I think it was 85 and I'm changing it I'm gonna make it 105 now but I'm be on my front deck called my wife's head you're there I'm almost there six more months yeah yeah the uh good job but I'll tell you what when you write down that goal every time we've had a rough patch in the marriage or where we, you know, had a tough time. I'm just like, well, this is a disagreement and this is what happens in marriages, but I will be married to that woman when I'm on my old days, God willing, we're both alive. We're both healthy into our 90s. And so then what happened?

Well, when we would have our disagreements, never once it. I'd be like, maybe we're not going to make it. Maybe we're going to, maybe this is where we leave each other. Just it's not going to happen. Why? Because I wrote down the goal, right? Yeah. So you've got to think, how powerful is that? Well, it had meaning. Yeah. Right. Yeah, so I wonder if we shouldn't all be doing this. So no matter where we are in our life, write down your goals. Well, I remember in the book club we read, Oh, Habits of Powerful People.

Oh, that's Tim Ferriss. Tim Ferriss, a big, thick book. Yeah, that guy's a bit of goofball, but tools of Titans. Tools of Titans, sorry, but goofball or not. What he did is he catalogs, it's through what, wealth, fitness, no, wealth, health, and. I don't remember the categories. There's three categories and then he like distills what they do.

One of them, good point. One of them is a morning routine. And one of them, you know, I would say a common trend because I did it for a while, was writing out your goals for the day and writing out and being very detail-oriented of it. Now, is it going to work for everybody? I'm sure if you stuck to it, probably would. Is it for everybody? I don't know.

But one thing, can you write down one set of goals once a year, just set a date and boom, you do it and then you look back on it in a year? I don't think that's about as easy as it gets and you might be you might be shocked you know if you set a goal you only get 75% you know to the goal well that's 75% of the way there

is closer than zero well yeah it's it's it's steps in the direction yeah it steps in the direction I don't know you can almost see like was it you or somebody somebody had a life coach

I used to be like life coach you need a life coach right but sometimes when you just even, well, when you have a good friend, like our book club or what we're doing here, you have somebody that can help you get out of your own head, right? Sometimes it's really difficult to solve your own problems when you're just kind of, feel like you're doing circles, ending up the same place, but you get out of your own head, you debate it.

Somebody says, well, why don't you try this, you know? So maybe these success coaches or life coaches just is a way to get out of your own head. You know, I haven't used one, you know. Well, I don't know. I could go, since Ottawa, I've been seeing a psychologist. So I see him once a month. And what I enjoy about that is it's, you walk into a room, you can talk about whatever you want. I mean, what's pressing today?

Let's talk about it. Because he ain't family. And I like you, Dean, but you're not one of my best friends, so I can rant on everybody. And at the end of it, he may say a bit, or I may just solve my own problem by talking. Yeah. Sometimes just getting out of your own head and having somebody to listen to you is all you need. I did the same. After the concussion had my dark days,

I did the same thing. I just booked myself in with, with his wife, actually. And it just makes you organize your thoughts. Have to sit with them to say, here's what's going on my life. And it seemed to be after the concussion. And just am I normal?

Am I weird? Am I crazy? You know, and just order your thoughts, right? And then I'd say, okay, I did three sessions. And each one would be like, I have to be improving. I have to have something short up. By the time I'm done,

I'm like, yeah, I still got, like, I fell behind in a lot of things in life this, this winter. And so I'm still playing catch-up on those. But, yeah, like, there's, there's, you're not a weak person for going to talk to somebody else, right? Ideally, you have a friend or a wife, but even then, why not just go talk to somebody else?

Like, it's, yeah, it's not weakness at all. I don't think that that really helped me. Actually, to kind of just organize my thoughts. Better have a game plan to get out of this and let's go. What? No? Yeah Just absorbing

I think you need somebody To call you on your shit too Yeah Yep Yeah That was what was always Well not that you two called each other On your shit

But back when you had the podcast going It was kind of like I don't know Ying Yang Yeah It was a similar idea on life and trajectory But from very different focal points

like you were you were very like when you would talk to a guest you were two different sides of a similar coin yeah it was interesting I think I've changed since then well haven't we all have we all right I don't yeah

I don't feel any different I think I'm a little more inglighting to what's going on but I mean at the same time Tuesdays you know I'm thinking the last year you know going through everything from you know shut the fuck up a lot more than

I used to, I found, because I don't really have as much to say about, like, you know what I mean? Sometimes, like, I found noise, there's a lot of noise out there, probably less. That's most, that's probably if I've done anything is I don't listen to the noise. Spend more time, quiet. Fencing. I do a lot of fencing, like not the sword fighting, but, like, building fences around cows. And, yeah, sometimes if you just go and, yeah, sometimes if you just go and, you know, shut the fuck up and just go don't have any sound other than natural sounds in your head for

you know five or six hours at a time yeah most of your see i'm not a big i like i'm listening to you guys on the counselors and that's cool if it works but i find that you know it like you know the answer most of the time like most people in my opinion and i'm not cast in shade on that but if you just go somewhere that's quiet and work, don't just fucking stand there and meditate by a fucking stream until the fucking universe talks to you or whatever the fuck people do. But if you just like, do, like work, like do something.

Don't just stand there. So like I said, fencing or do something like that. And like if you're actually moving and usually the answers to your problems will come to you. Usually, but let me give an example. is quite a few years ago, you know, I had about a boat accent, as you know, we're both from Predacell and had a boat accent in Predacel. And I don't even remember my symptoms anymore, but I was stuttering.

I, every time I'd hear a bang, I'd have to hide behind, like, I'd just kind of just melt because there was injuries in this accent. And I think I was having some memory issues, if I remember correctly. And my wife's not trained in brain injury. You know, I banged my head. Here we go multiple concussions, but I banged my head, and my wife's not trained in in stuttering, just talking about it. But I just wanted to go talk to somebody, just go, listen, am I nuts?

Like, is this post-traumatic stress? Is this, is this concussion? And the person just looked at me, you know, so that's twice. I went to that, and then I've done it this winter. And a counselor or psychologist or whatever, I don't even know what we'd say, just said, no, your textbook PTSD. Like, if this is happening six months from now, okay, you've got a problem. Maybe you've got a lasting brain injury or something like that.

But no, like if you banged your head and you had a bottom injury, this is normal behavior. Here's what you should expect. And within about this many days, you should be back to your normal. Oh, perfect, man. Thank you. I just, it's like I went to a mechanic. I hear a weird knock under the hood. I said, hey, mechanic, is this going to blow up?

Or is this, is this fine? The mechanic said, no, you're fine. Keep driving it. Good. And it happened. And that's all the counselor did for me. What if he would have said that there's something wrong with you? What direction do you think that would mind?

Like for me, I, I, I, I, I process things. I think. and like obviously I'd like to try the problem. Would you have created the problem? No, I think, I think what I hear you saying is that thinking things are mental are all weakness. But for me, I would have looked at and been like, is this something of a brain injury? Like should I go for a brain scan? You know, is there something like my concussion this winter, Lee Noble, you know, said, hey, listen, I've had a concussion.

I suggest you do these two things. Just trust me. And here's once you come out of this, here's probably what you're going to experience. Just talking to somebody else who has knowledge or experience in the, you know, something like a brain injury or coming out of alcoholism or you know I don't know I don't look it as weakness I think if you always go to somebody to talk about your problems and you spin your tires and every time you show up you're like my problems are still the same okay now maybe it's time to like you got to do something right but to kind of just be as a checkpoint to say here's what's in my life

here's where I think I'm experiencing here's where I think I want to go what do you think I think you're right like I suppose it comes down to the counselor as well so it says hey I just want to bill I want to take $250 every time you sit down and you can tell me all your problems every single day. You can sit in my office all day long. I don't care.

Give me two ground today and I'll just sit and listen to your problems. Or is there somebody saying, you got to do something. I have a feeling if you're sitting in Jordan Peterson's office. It's not going to be, hey, I'm here just to sit and listen

all your problems. You're like, you better do something about it. You know, I don't know. Sometimes like, you know, I find I have expertise. My wife has expertise and we have various that we have no expertise. You know, I kind of look at it more like

you know, if a child is reading backwards. You know, if you have, how do I have experience with that? How do, how do, what is this? Why is our child not able to read? You know, why, why, who is knowledge on this and how do we work with it? Well, go to somebody that knows it, studies and say, instead of going, our child is never going to be able to do anything, just say, no, our child's just different.

And that's wonderful. That's beautiful. And how do we work with that? You know, I look at it, Tanner. I think it you could probably be weak and be strong, depending on how you attack it and depending on the counselor. I just think that what I mean by that is I would like to see. like a Jordan Peterson

somebody like or I'll just I'll become a maybe I'll become a psychologist psychiatrist and I'm just going to make up all these credentials that I'm the smartest motherfucker on the planet and then when people walk in and be like you're fine

oh thank God and then they'll go home and they'll be fine oh for sure because there's so much of that right now where everybody wants to have a problem yeah everybody's like I've got you know they go into the doctor and they're like oh no here's why I'm fat

and useless and my brains don't work is because of this disorder. It's like, you're fucking fine. Some of it. Go do something about, like. For sure. Are you, are you actively going out and working and being more healthy? Most people, no.

They're not. And I'm not like I said, I'm not firing darts of you guys because obviously you got, it works. But at the same time as you see so many people that it's like, fuck man like there's nothing wrong you want something wrong with you because right now you're the internet champions the victim so it's like oh fuck here's my

here's my trauma that I'm gonna wear like a fucking badge it's like what like everybody's banged up everybody's you know physically and mentally everybody's got their own shit everybody's got some shit and honestly it's like you're your shit's no

fucking you're not special like deal with it like everybody else and get on the horse and just keep rocking and rolling along and you'd be fine but what if we go to what if we go to what if we go to the extremes eat you what if we have uh on one extreme is people who are are victims of everything here's the here's a classic right this is a classic but here's some but here's some examples there are people what about the guy that has no arms and legs how is you're going to squat no but like like um so what i'm like talking about uh did i mention i

and Dre having you boys back in the studio? Carry on. But we could say that there's a perpetual victim, right? They're a victim of absolutely everything, and they get to play that card, and they need to go to a counselor or a help on every single issue and nothing ever improves. Yeah, we have those in society, for sure.

Can we also agree, then on the other end of the spectrum, what was the movie on the football players, where they'd cut into their brain matter and find it great? Was it called concussion? Were Will Smith? Right, where a lot of these linebackers are committing suicide? Will Smith? Will Smith, yeah, right?

So can we agree that some of them might have been like, I don't know why I want to pull a gun and shoot myself between the eyes here. It's because you've been a football player for 15 years and we probably have gray matter in your brain. So I think for somebody like that to say, listen, counselor, you know, here's what I'm experiencing. You know, he might say, listen, you've probably got concussion issues. Here's some symptoms you might expose.

Don't think you're crazy. Don't kill yourself. It's probably normal for people in your example. So we agree there's both, you know, I think. And so for me, like watching Sean, you know, when the trucker convoy was on, I kind of go, I talk to him, not on a daily basis, but almost. And I go, good on you for going to a counselor. If I, if I watch Sean over the last three years and I never seen an inch of improvement and all he did was stay on the same problem,

I'm a victim, I'm a victim, I'm a victim, I'm a victim, I'm a victim. I might go, Sean, save your money, stop going to psychologist or whatever you're going to, take out a piece of paper and write down how are you going to fix your own, problems because you got to get moving. Yeah, there's probably time for that for tough love, Tanner, for maybe more your perspective. But I don't know. Like I just...

When I, I don't know, speaking, because I get what Tanner's talking about, but I get what you're talking about. We're doing Tanner again, right? But if you're saying, like, so say a football guy. Yeah. All right. Gets his bell rung fucking 800 times a game.

Well, there's a clear path to that. Okay. What I'm saying now is some football guy goes and, uh, you know, shoots himself, does whatever, does shoots himself, shoots his family, whatever the like, whatever the case is. What you're talking about. Well, what you have nowadays, though, is you have 800 other fucking people that see,

you know, linebacker, you know, has post-concussion, post-concussion syndrome, whatever, whatever that is called. Messed up brain. Yeah, rattled fucking cabbage. So now, but you get all these people that are like, oh, yeah. I fell out of a tree when I was five and bonked my head. And now that's why I'm a useless piece of shit in this world. And it's like, no, it's not.

It's because you're lazy. And because you won't look at your problems and just like some of this shit, you got to sweep under the rug is just, you know, life. But what I'm saying is the more we get out here and, you know, and if you don't think Hollywood isn't making a movie about that to try to steer people into thinking they have problems, you're not paying much fucking attention. Because everything they put out is geared towards you consuming it. And I can guarantee you that the Hollywood people aren't the people that are on our side. Let's just say that. So everything that comes out of there and everything that's

on the internet is geared for us to be like, oh man, I've got met. Like they want you to have a problem because if you have a problem, they have the solution. Yeah, I agree. So that's why I say what I'm saying is if you need that, if you need to go do it, great. But I think everybody should have a long, hard fucking look at it and be like, you know what? Do I have a problem or do I just need to tough the fuck up and not become part of the system? Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Probably both. I think we can say we're both right, depending on the example, right? But the, I'll tell you this winter. Outside right now, it's jiu-jitsu match. Let's do it. We'll let that settle it. Tatar hasn't been there for, actually. I haven't been there for it.

You might have a chance, Ken. The, you know, I, this is just me. I'll give you two things where I would agree with you. It was when one of our children was young. I won't say a name. but they were falling behind in some schoolwork. The teachers called us in and said, hey, the child A, we think we've identified, you know, a weakness.

And we think you should pull this child, trying to say the sex out and put them in a different room where the other learners like that go. And I'm like, okay. Short bust. Yeah, so just here's how I looked at it. And I know there are learning challenges. and that's good. There's a lot of good people in the schools that help with these things.

I just looked at, I'm like, okay, I've watched that child all my life, and they aren't slow, right? Matter of fact, it would be of my children, I can't, I can make sure I don't say the name, would be of the upper level of reasoning in my mind, this child. And I just looked at, I'm like, okay, here's the problem is if I let my child go there, then they're going to think that they're labeled as this as X, and then they're going to start to go, maybe I am not as smart as the other kids. And so I just give me two weeks. So I took him when I went and bought one of those phonics things with the letters, like we're going to hammer this baby down. You're going to catch up to your other students, and this is going to all go away. Well, now that child is saying, I've got to make sure I don't.

No, actually, it's a positive story, so I'll say it. This child is now, wants to, we're homeschooling now, and he wants to go on to become a, what's the thing he found, a biomedical engineer, right? So here's somebody that he told us wasn't going to mount and how it's going to be special. and couldn't conquer it. And instead of just going, yeah, give us all the labels you want,

and we'll admit that we have a son that is maybe slow. And quite the opposite. Couldn't you just say it's a balance? Sure. Like I hear what Tanner's saying, right? Like, it can't be, oh, wo, me every second day. But at the same time, you know, we've probably had moments in our lives. Yes.

Where we went to a professional to help get. guidance with something we were really struggling with. Or a grandpa. Or a dad or a friend. Or what have you. And those moments can really make or break you almost. And so if you have people that care about you in your life, I'm not saying it's picture perfect because the picture you were painting Ken with the football players is like,

yeah, that's repeat head blows over and over and over again. And then an industry that swept it under the rug and acted like it never existed and made people go even crazier because they didn't nobody acknowledge it, right? Like... They went out a culture of saying you're weak if you admit your heads, heads not feeling right, just like in hockey. 100%. So you just go like, it's just a little bit of balance.

I mean, we've, as a society, we've gone too far one way. Everybody knows we've gone too far one way. I say at this point, even our politicians know we've gone too far one way, but they're fearful... Or maybe they want to go farther. But anyways, I think as a whole, they don't. I just think as a whole, they're all terrified that

they're going to have to out themselves and nobody's outing themselves. They're all playing. I know. I know. They're all playing the game, though, of like, well, you got to. So bad and some are crooked. We all know the game. And the game is, well, we got to win enough votes.

Like at this point, it's pretty black and white. What's politics? It's a popularity contest. You look at it and you go, we've got to get all the votes from all these different places. Well, where are the majority of the votes for said place? Well, in Alberta, you know, two cities really have a stranglehold. It's called Calgary.

It's called Eminton. This isn't rocket science. Yeah. And so they go, okay, what's the most pressing issues in Emmington? Well, we can't solve all those. In Calgary, they line more with our base. So we'll try and talk in a certain way so that we don't offend the base, but we still win their vote. It's a load of BS on certain things because I think it's really black and white.

Everybody kind of knows where I sit on it. But instead, they go, but if we just played enough, maybe we win enough votes. Well, eventually, you get to a point where, you know, there's no winning Emmington. Actually, in my opinion, there might be a way to win Eminton, but it's not trying to pander to them. Because human beings are not stupid. Partion of the population might be. But for the majority of us, we know whom we're being lied to. We know when we're being sold something and we don't like it.

It doesn't matter what side of the spectrum you're on. It's like, that guy is selling me, and I don't like it. I don't want that. And I'm just going to walk away. And Emmington's got their own problems. I think we all agree on that. Calgary's got its own problems. Overall.

But as a politician, when you play the game and you try and win the cities and win the rural vote, I mean, literally, rural versus urban has way different problems. We look at the world in two different ways. I've explored this idea to the nth degree at this point, and I've heard now politicians explain it to me that way, and I'm like, I think you're drinking some form of Kool-Aid that I want none to do it. And I always come back to the, what is a woman thing,

and like, it's pretty black and white. It's just black and white. It's just truth. It's just a simple truth. There's men, there's women. I'm not saying you can't choose to do different things in your life. It's totally fine. men, women.

Well, I'm saying you shouldn't be choosing that. But when politicians go, but we got to be careful because of, you know, cities. It's like, well, cities shouldn't be reinforced, a terrible idea. That's a terrible idea. It's just a terrible idea. Yeah. So we need to stop listening to politicians because that's a lie. Like, we don't, like going back to what you're saying before about the balance,

we're a culture of moms and no dads is what it is. and literally and figuratively. Right? Like, it's all about the, like, I watch, like, my ex. Like, we still parent quite well, I think. I mean, our kids haven't been incarcerated yet, and I don't think that they're going to keep their genders and everything. So I think we did a pretty good job.

And they seem pretty squared away, I guess, from my standpoint. But at the end of the day is, even from a detached perspective, I'm pretty proud of the fact that I'm a dad and she's a mom, right? I'm not their fucking other mom and she doesn't have to pretend to be a dad. It's like the Jordan Peterson clean your room. This is where it starts. So men need to stand up and start being dads again to everything around them and saying no. Right?

But this is the balance thing is we're all moms. So, you know, a kid falls off the fucking garden shed being awesome because that's what kids should do is jump off and fucking garden sheds and break their legs because that's fucking what you're supposed to do when you're nine you know. You've just watched Superman or maybe Ironman or whatever.

Like society went to shit when kids stopped jumping off a tall object. But that's Jordan Peterson rule. Whatever, never stop a kid. Yeah. Yeah, I got a skateboard park. I'm just rereading it with what I'm saying. If you look at a park these days,

they got it all like ironed up so they can't fall off the top. My kids within two minutes are climbing on the outside. I don't even know how they do it anymore. They find a way to make the most safest object dangerous. It's kind of cool to be honest. And then if they get hurt, your wife should go up and become the soft side of things. Hey, like, fuck, maybe there's something wrong with this kid. Yeah.

And the dad should come in and assess it and be like, but I think he's fucking fine. Walk on it. And if you can't walk on it for five minutes, then well, maybe there's something wrong. But you ain't getting, we ain't deciding that you're hurt until you're. you prove you're not hurt, or that you tell you prove you are hurt. And I think that's kind of what I'm getting at is prove to yourself that you fucked up before you decide you are. You know what I mean?

So that's the problem is we're all a bunch of moms and we're no dads. Maybe. We're going back to step here. Well, this is the thing with politicians you say. They're all moms. Nobody's saying suck it the fuck up, right? Because there's no money in that. There's no money in people looking after themselves.

Hmm. No money in that. If I can look after you and you pay me to look after you, and if you're now dependent on the system, fuck, perfect, right? All mom's no dad's. I don't know. Probably a talk on politics is another whole talk for another day and we're getting towards the end here, but the, uh, you're talking about, uh, no, the, uh,

Let's not go on. No, there's, there's like, um, you want to see me get rubbed off. No, but I, I think, I don't, I think statements like they're all, all lazy. They're all cropped or they're all women or they're all. all, I don't know, pick, pick the term, I think it's probably, there's going to be good, good ones, bad ones, corrupt ones, evil ones. You know, I look at saying, are they all just just trying to do the dance and they're not really trying to harm us and they're just trying to appease the vote as well? Let's look at Christia Freeland, right? Our minister of finance, my understanding,

she sits as a trustee on the world economic farm, right? Well, the world economic forum is linked with Agenda 2030, which links us into all the Sustainable Development Goals. So you have something that's saying, I'm here looking at for the best interest of Canadians in terms of their finance, but I'm all so loyal to this other organization that has goals that maybe some people want, maybe old people want, but find me how many people can even list off those sustainable development goals, but your elected politician is saying that's where we're going, whether you like it or not. So to say that, are they all just trying to be naive and just trying to chase votes? Or are they,

they maybe have some alternative plans that may not be in your best interest. And they're putting it right in front of you saying, here's who I am, here's my position, and here's the part of the organization. And this is where I want you to go. I want you to have nothing and be happy. That doesn't sound naive and just chasing a few votes to me. That sounds sinister, maybe at best. They're all sinister.

But then there's a politician, man. I don't know. Like I would say, we've gone for breakfast a number of times with Mayor Albers. maybe everybody doesn't love the guy, but maybe a lot of people do. I don't know. When I talk to him, I just see a guy that's just pretty good guy and kind of helped our city get as best as we could through COVID. And maybe he could have done a few things better here or there,

but I don't know. I don't look at the guy and go, he's in bed with the World Economic Farm. When I look at Chris Schia Freeland, I don't even have to wonder if she's in bed with the World Economic Farm. She holds a position with the World Economic Farm. So there you go. I've got one right here that's pretty good. And one over here that seems to be in bed with some people

that I don't really like where they want to take us. and probably everything in between. So I'm doing the Ken thing again to say that there are going to, and whether we like it or not, this whole politics thing, I think the days of us saying they're all bad and don't even bother, I think that's what got us into this problem. His reality is is we should have Tanner sitting,

do we have you as a mayor? That would be fun to see. To be awesome. I think we would be good. But we have school boards. We'd be able to call us see them and have, bring back gladiator stuff. Go get some pedophiles,

make them kill each other in front of people. It would be fucking great. But here we are. We all just kind of were, we created our own problems. We're trying to point it. It's those politicians over there. But what if we were the politicians? Then we can't point to anybody.

So this is our RM councils, our school boards, our city councils, or everything, arena boards. What we ended up with is a bunch of people that I think could have been, those positions could have been held by people who have a sounder mind and have better decision-making capabilities in many cases. And so then if we weren't on those positions, then it's easy for us to just throw peanuts from the cheap seats. And really, we should have been doing it, I think. What do you think? And how are we going to organize as a human if we don't have a democratic way of saying somebody needs to decide whether we're going to pave road A or road B. Somebody needs to decide if we're going to hire four teachers or two more police officers for the community.

Somehow we have to organize ourselves. And we have to do that through some kind of a, I'd rather do it through democracy than through a king or a queen. or a dictator myself personally. So it looks like we've got a, what was a Churchill statement? All political systems fail or they're all terrible, of which the least terrible is democracy, something like that. You know, I look at my family tree. I don't see any kings or queens or nobles,

which means my family, at least in recent hundreds of years, probably wasn't the one making the decisions. We were probably living under somebody else's rule. And right now I have a say, I'm on a podcast. And as of right now, maybe someday I don't go to jail. I don't get kicked off the land. I don't get thrown down to the coal mine.

I get to live free. You know, so. So. Fairly free. What's this mayor's name of this town? Albert. Albert. Albert.

Albers. Albers. Albers. Albers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Jerry. So soon as fucking Jerry doesn't know the name of everybody he's in control of, you have corruption. Typically. This is why Hunter Wright, soon as they hit like a hundred and 50 they break off.

It's because if you want actual if you want actual some sense of and I know that this is a pipe dream impossible but I'm just, this is my take on human nature. If you soon as you lose contact with those who you're controlling governing. Yeah.

Then they're not, you begin to dehumanize them. Now of a sudden all you're worried about is the people you do know. Yeah, that's right. So if we have fucked hard in fucking Ottawa he's no different than this. He looks after his own and everybody else pays the bill, right?

So he clearly, and that's what everybody does that. Polly Evel will do the same damn thing. It's just going to, that shit sandwich is going to taste a little bit better to you and me than it will, you know what I mean? Like it's the same thing. But soon as you get too many people, you worry about yourselves,

you worry about the guys that you do know. And everybody else under that is just a pawn in your little game. So we're, we talk about this and we need the collapse. We need it. And we were talking about this before. I've said this from day one. Let's get this thing going.

Let's get the war. Well, if you're Alan, you want Trudeau for another four or five years. Fucking right. Whatever it takes to throw down. Because it sinks the ship awfully quick if he goes in for another. Well, I mean, I'd be, I can't even imagine. I'd be, I'd be depressed.

You know, like I just, I can't. Well, I mean, I was depressed after you got in the last time. I'm like, how is he still in? And Alan's hoping, hey? Well, he's like, maybe I just go and vote for him. He's like, because, you know, like this. It gets this game goal. You know what I mean?

It's like you're getting in a fight. You don't, anybody has ever been in a fight before. You're not in a fight until you get hit. And then you're like, okay, now this is, this isn't just for fun anymore. Now this has got some violence interlaced with it. Well, then it's on. And now you can start getting to the bottom of whatever's going to happen. Right now we're still waiting to get hit.

So everybody's still. Dan and they're being like, well, this is fun. You know, but as soon as they smack you in the face, now it's like, okay, there you go. And that's what it's going to take. It's going to take an epic collapse of this thing to rebuild it. Maybe we all have a different breaking point. Because for me, I feel like I was punched in the face. And that made me go, I don't like getting punched in the face.

So I'm going to adjust. I don't know. You think we've been hit in the face yet? Well, I would say that we've all, I would say right now, what do you, what do you, well, I don't know, what do you call the last, certainly leading up to the convoy? What do you, what do you call that last eight months? So to me personally, I know you loved it. I loved it.

Like, I mean, because it looked like we were going to get in a fight. Like it literally, I was like, oh, fuck, here we go. Like, that kind of got me tingling a little bit there a few times because it's like, hey, here we go. Here we go. And then all those pussies just backed right off like I thought they would, right? It's like the, you know, you go into the store without a mask on and somebody comes up to him. Hey, sir, can you put it? Can you put on a mask?

absolutely not. Here we go. And then they're like, and they back off. And this is what these little rats do, is they come in and they poke and poke and poke and poke and then soon as you stand up, they back off. And they've done this.

So until they get the balls to step up and actually take a shot at one of us, it's just going to be this annoying bullshit that you can just ignore. Like this you can ignore. Everything that's going on, like if I don't want to see, like, you know, if I don't want to see some man woman telling me to drink Bud Light, I just don't.

Maybe we already are at war, though. When we talk, we're getting hit in the face. Like we now know, there's an article, if you Google it, the Canadian military was studying us on a sciop, right, onto how messaging would, Canadians would react to certain messaging through. We also know that the CIA, you know, maybe hasn't always been good little boys and girls.

things like mk ultra right if people haven't known it go research it's real it's so real that that there's a member that old canadian show a fifth estate do you ever fifth state it was like Canadian version of uh well trish yeah well Trish Wood was a fifth of state lady yeah and there's a fifth you google it there's a fifth estate uh uh episode Canadian on MKLTRA and so to me there's been a lot of siops there's people like look at the algorithms look at the BPL on it like what we found out was happening at Twitter. So to say we haven't been in a place where you're getting punched in the face, maybe not physically, but mentally for sure. But physically is the only one that matters. Because the rest you,

like the rest is a mosquito man. It's just like, fuck off. Like just get out of here. Well, okay, well, maybe then we're way weaker than I give us credit for it. Well, and then the other thing too is, I'm glad it's good to have these. Maybe that's why we're interesting to listen to us because we're so polar opposites. I sometimes I'm thinking like, yeah, you know what? Maybe it's good. Just crash the financial system. Restart. Disinflation is getting out of all this debt, maybe it's good. So, but then I think about these things is, as of right now, um, there's, there's enough police presence or, or, or, uh, in my, my, my, where our,

our farm is, is my family's safe. They, we all have food in our stomach. Because the police are there? No, no, no, no. I'm not, I'm just saying like, like, but, but to educate myself. The idea that the police are there. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, they're safe because you're there.

Yeah. You're way more effective than the police are. Oh, but where I'm at, though, is like, just to educate myself as to what happens when things decline, because there's a chance that we are, well, I think we are declining. So we read a book on Venezuela, right? What happened in Venezuela when it declined?

Then I've listened to a 110 episode podcast on Russia heading into the revolution, right? Then listening to, oh, what's the South Korean, North Korean lady that's on Joe Rogan? Oh, you know what I'm talking, where she's watching people who are starving with their intestines hanging on the back of their back of their back. Right. Go listen. The Omni Park. Yeah. So then I kind of go, do I want to watch this crumble? Foof.

I want a pretty good place right now. And maybe you need to go through it. Maybe we will. And maybe it's three hard years and maybe it's 30 years and maybe it's 250 years. But when I read about Venezuela and I read it, look at North Korea, when I think about the Russian Revolution, you know, those are some painful years. And right now I've got a stomach, food in my stomach. I've got a wife that hugs me. I've got a place that I actually go to sleep.

and I sleep quite well because I'm not fearful that I'm going to get broke into every 15 minutes and I haven't lost a child to a drug, a lord shooting him for not. I don't know. Like I just,

I'm thinking like maybe we should celebrate where we're at. Oh, we should. We're in a very good place. Yeah. And that's just like, the, what do you say?

This discomfort and pain is, is very relative. I mean, anything nor, or south of north? Depends if the glass is half full or half empty, I guess. You're on your head or your feet. Um, you know, anything short of them being there actually physically controlling your life.

I mean, you got to think how far we got to get before they come and shoot your cattle so you can't eat beef. Right. Like that, to me, that's, okay, that's a shop fired. Yeah. Right. If they're like, you shouldn't eat meat because it's, you know, bad for the environment. It's like, you should sit and just watch me eat this fucking tomahawk then. because I disagree.

But it's once like I can understand why it's relative. Like right now a bad day is like your Wi-Fi goes down. Right. Oh, it's like, oh, man, my, you know, I went in and I got a flat tire on my $500,000 fucking car. You know, it's maybe that's a little excessive. But, you know, that's your bad day. Well, but maybe if that happens to it. I think they punched us in the face.

Do you think so? I think so. And when I think about it, this is why I would say that. And I hate when you come on and me and Ken seem to be on the same side of the, but this is always how it's good. So it's good. I sit and I go, they punch this in the face. And the reason they punch us in the face is when I look back on it, I just want to be left long. As long as they're not controlling, as long as they're not controlling, meaning going into my family and messing with it.

I agree with you. Water off a duck's back, I give two shits, let's carry on with life. I got to control how I react to the outside world and et cetera, et cetera. But they turned family against family, husband against wife, kids against parents, and so on and so forth. They were getting to the point where they weren't going to allow interprovincial travel. They were talking about locking people up. They weren't allowing people out of the country. I mean, how many people had to flee Canada in order to, because they were just like, I can't live this anymore.

If that isn't a punch in the face, I don't know what is actually at this point. Like, that's about as close mentally punching than, like, they're physically going to come and grab you and put you in, and they're going to tell you you can't go here, and they're going to do this. And, you know, I've had on now. How many, I'm about to have on James Coates and Tim Stevens,

two guys who went, you know, stood up in the churches, and there's been documentaries on that, and on and on it went. When I look back at it, I know you thrived in it, and you enjoyed it, and you enjoyed looking for the fight, Most people want to be left along. And when they start to go into each and every one of our families, communities, and shake up the jar as Alex Cranner would like to say, that's as close to a punch in the face in this modern world as we're going to get.

Soft or not. And to me, the fight's been, the fight was brewing for probably a full year. And then Ottawa happened. And they did it peacefully. And all the things that have come out of there, I mean, they might have been looking for us to be aggressive. of honestly. They were.

Right. And that's what I mean. I guess in the punch, because I didn't, I mean, I liked the fight, but I don't know if I went. Look,

like going to say Coutts or Ottawa, I would say is actually looking for it. So if you get punched in the face there, I get it. And you got to have people to do that. So I'm not going to say, wow, them fuckers.

You go to Ottawa and the government slaps you in the face. You deserve it. No, good for everybody that did it. I love that shit, right? It's not my, it's not the way I do things, but I can look at that with a huge amount of appreciation. You going out there and being on the front lines, you got to go and witness something that may not happen every 100 years,

you know what I mean, which is cool. And I appreciate that. What I'm saying, though, is if you go into that, and I called it off the start, I said, this looks a lot like jiujitsu, where the better guy is luring everybody into the trap, right? And I think that's kind of what tried to happen. And I don't know if they're organized enough to have that happen.

Like I don't know if the government's smart enough to do that, but maybe they are. But I think they lured everybody into their position. They tried pulling in January 6th, I would say. They tried getting it so that the entire public would think it was a group of extremists that were blah, blah, blah, and nobody agreed with and everything else. And they tried sewing that narrative. They tried sowing the idea that it was destructive, that they were destroying this, that they were hurting people, that they were on and on and on. And every time, you know, To me, it almost looked like the grassroots movement knew exactly what they were doing and just kind of went, nope.

Yeah. Nope. Not happening. Yeah. I don't know. I guess that's what I'm saying. It was like, I mean, the punch in the face to me is what you said. So even like with split and family apart, if that split your family apart, we need to have stronger family bonds, I believe.

Right? Because I've seen this with my friends and family where all of a sudden they made decisions. and I'm like, okay, I guess we weren't as close as I thought. I think I have a, I'm just going to speak to, I can't speak to everyone else. I'm going to speak to what my wife and I went through. And I would say we're pretty strong. And that put us to the breaking point. Like, might even push us over the breaking point and she pulled me back.

Like, or maybe or stronger because of it, probably. 100%. And I look at it and I go like, you know, I got to take care of my shit. But when the government is is pushing it to the point where we're in upside downland, they've gone too far. They have gone too far. Right now, our government is, you know, like, and everyone's like, well, this is my, where I agree 100% with you.

You know, everybody can be whatever they want. No, they can't. No. I mean, certainly you go out in your adult world, you go do whatever you want, as long as it's not infringing upon other people's rights. You're not hurting anyone. I mean, do what you want to do. You want to pay to get a surgery, fine.

Does my taxpayers dollars got to pay for it? Fuck, no. I don't see the point of that. But my taxpayers' dollars shouldn't be doing a whole lot of things that they are currently doing. But you come into the schools and it's like, well, no, we got to, we got to, they can be, whatever. And you're like, well, no, you can be polite. I'm not saying you have to be rude about it. We certainly don't need to teach it. Like, biology is pretty straightforward. People don't like hearing that. But I mean, I mean, it's like we, we're so kind that we're so, you know,

except we've been pushed this far. This is where we get to when we're pushed this far. We're getting, you know, like, I don't know how many times I got to have. Billboard and Chris on where, you know, like, and at the start, I was kind of like, you know, do we really got to be that rough on this? And he's like, well, we're castrating kids. Yeah. And encouraging them. And there's no coming back from that, you know? And it's like, we're trying to normalize pedophilia. I know I don't need to talk to you, Tanner, about, because once upon a time you said some abrupt things on your pocket. I was like, I don't know what say. So now it's like, if you're harming kids, there's a nice spot in hell for you for that.

Oh, for sure. And we can, I can get you there quick. And I mean, at the end of the the day, there's groups trying to normalize it. It's like, well, as a humanity, as a society, we got to decide where we want to go here and get on. Some things are just black and white. It's just black and white. We got to normalize our speech as much as they do theirs. And that's why I'll never, with anybody I talk to, like I'd probably swear and curse and say the word, bad things way too much to probably the wrong people. But I don't, you can't, like that self-censorship thing, do not censor yourself ever. That's a lot. Nobody.

Don't ever do that. Say what you think. James 3 talks about the tongue being, you know, controlling the body. If you control, I'm going to butcher this a bit, folks. But if you can control your tongue, you're a perfect man, essentially. You control the entire body. And what he equates it to is the bit in a horse's mouth control his body or the rudder on a ship. And on and on it goes.

And you just go, like, yeah. Peterson talks about this lots. You know, in order to become a dangerous man, sure, physical, but in our world, being able to think and speak is of the utmost importance. Do you going to get it right all the time? No. You know, I got my business card here, and I stole from Peterson. And it was like, in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

It's like, for too long. Can I take a copy of that? Yeah, sure. That's a good thing. For too long, you know, I sat here and on. And lots of times I sit here and I go, well, I don't want to say, you know, like, I'm going to offend some people. It's like, well, yeah, but change my mind. Exactly.

Like, once again, I sit here and I go like, you know, I come back to the kids and I'm just like, you know, for the longest time, I've been pretty like easy going. And I thought it would never, it would never impact my children. I thought COVID would never impact them. Ah, it won't be that big a deal. You know, it'll be two weeks. It'll be a month. It'll be two months. It'll be a little mask wearing.

It'll be one vaccine. The vaccines will never get to them. It's only a certain portion of the population. Like, think about it. We're frogs in boiling water. We've been talking about this for how long. The punches are being thrown. I guess at my point, I just go like, it's, no, can you live off the grid and not have to worry about it?

Well, maybe. Well, you can live on the grid and not where. I mean, sort of. But I wonder, Tanner, is, and again, I'm doing what I always do. It's because the world is so complex and everybody's so unique and so individualistic. I know we have commonalities. But I know, like, from travel. traveling Saskatchewan.

You know, like I've talked to so many people. And, you know, let me give you an example, rather than talk about you. Let's talk about Alan, owns, owns a rec tech. Sometimes he'll say, you know, Ken, COVID wasn't all that hard. Well, why isn't, why wasn't COVID all that hard for him? Because he owned his own shop. Own his own business. He wasn't, he didn't have a professional organization that could,

that could turn off a switch. He didn't have to obey Alberta Health Services or Saskatchewan Health Authority, right? There wasn't all these switches. Now, is that because Alan was an absolute genius when he was 20 and he foresaw what was going to happen in 2020? Or is it just a little bit of the luck of the draw? Maybe Alan could have had a twin brother that went into become a, you know, a doctor, a dentist or, and they say, sorry, you can't practice. We're going to turn off all of your ability to make any money effective immediately unless you comply. We have, you know, farmers, for example, would have had an easier time on the whole because you're an attractor.

that it's not a public space. Nobody says you can't sell your canola unless you're vaccinated, right? But the nurse, the teacher, the, all these people that have professional bodies are government employees. Nobody knew this. And this is anyone who is in a big corporation? Sure. And let's also say we could also have the same occupation. And maybe if you're 60 years old and you have 3.2 in the bank, right?

Versus you just graduated from university. You're 26. You have student debt of $132,000. And you have two kids that you've got to feed, right? two different places of stress. Why don't be like, take the job and shove it. And one's like,

and I know people could do with something else. I'm not saying you were forced to, but different levels of stress and you owned a gym, right? So just by the luck of the draw, you didn't work for CNRL.

Let's say you're an operating, operator for CNRL. We know how CNNRL operated in this area. So I just wonder if we, and here's Ken being empathetic. But you have to be. Yeah. Like there was people that went through a shit store.

Absolute. I'm not saying that you've got to be empathetic to a fault, But you have to, I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I just, I don't know. I got. The world needs empathetic people.

How about those people, some of those truckers? Like, what's Tamara facing in terms of fines or prison time? Two to ten years in jail. Yeah. That starts right away here. Her and Chris Barber. Pat King will be next month. Mm-hmm.

City of Ottawa, I believe, is suing them for 400 million. You know, you got doctors, you know, that are going to be. But they knew that was coming. You would think. You got to know who you're. I don't know. if this tyranny is so bad that you had to go and protest that you kind of know what they're going to do no i don't know i've talked to pretty boy spencer that guy's just a beautiful human being is he facing

no no i don't think so but my point is these people like like he put his own diesel in his own truck stopped his business and drove across this country but i will agree with tanner i think that's part of the thing that i realized while i was in i was you know some people knew somebody some people were We're already conditioning for that. We're already in the gym, working out for three years before it. They go, there's a fight brewing. This is where, you know, in that sense, I don't understand. There's a fight brunt.

And we're going to Ottawa and we're getting in a fight. Even if punches are not thrown, this is a fight and they will throw the book out of us. Right? You've got to know that. And I would say Tamara and Chris and probably Pat King and that's probably what made going to jail easy. Is they're like, I mean, because none of them are like, oh, yeah, jail is awful. And, you know, when you sit there and you look at that, you go, How is that?

Because they got right with, they got right with whatever they had to get right with. They went in with eyes wide open and went, I wonder. If I talk about this, I actually agree on that. Because you listen to Tamara. That wasn't her first rodeo.

Pat King wasn't his first rodeo. I would argue, Chris, you know, I should think about that. Chris maybe is a little different. I don't know. Like when you say it happens once every hundred years or whatever that number is,

you know, Tamara, I didn't know her, but she sat on the board for a matter before. But I understand, But 2019, there was a convoy. Yep. It was just, it was, who was it?

Who was it, folks, that went to the convoy to Vancouver just like in 2020. Who was that? I don't know. I'm sorry. It doesn't matter. All I'm saying is they had their skirmishes. Take me right now. I've had my skirmish.

I think we all, a lot of us have. And so if they come in this fall and go, you're masking up to go to Walmart. I'm like, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, no. Yeah. Let's roll. Yeah. But I remember when we were standing together, when you said,

you're going to go to Ottawa, I remember going like, if I didn't have these other things I had to do, I'd just jump in with you. It'd be something to see, right? I didn't, I underestimated what the beast was in my, from my perspective. Well, but I did too. And I'm friends with the two of the lawyers, as you know, who don't need to say their names, but they were there people behind the scenes that were doing some of this advising that are, that I know talked to.

I mean, day to day, they didn't know what was going to move or what they were going to do. But I've talked to, so I was in Colonna, right? I'm at the airport. And everybody's been in stressful situations before, right? I'm sitting in the West Jet line. I've watched a plane take off. I know the smoke's there. We understand how close the fire is, but I, you know, and I'm like, oh, they're still flying people.

Not a big deal. They come over to intercom. They say, airspace has been closed. Don't take anybody's bags. Actually, come back. Like, everybody gone. We're going to now be an evacuation. zone, blah, blah, blah, I don't know what's all said.

And you just see people panic. And I laugh at myself because at that point I'm like, well, should I get a coffee and just sit down and I don't know. Like, what's the point of freaking out? All I'm going to do is stress myself. Oh, nothing gets accomplished. You can't think when you're stressed. You go into battle a few times, though.

Like you've kind of been preparing for that. What is your statement? Is it the seals? Maybe seals? They don't rise to the occasion. and they fall back to their preparedness. Their level of preparedness. To the level of preparedness.

So you've been in a stressful situation, right? So you're kind of like, well, so that's, but that's why I go back to Tamara Leach and a couple others in there is because it wasn't their first. Wayne Peters was a guy who said what opened his ass was a 2019 convoy. I remember being like, what now? Well, there was a convoy that went to Ottawa in 2019. Really?

He said, yeah, it was a similar feeling of 2022, just not big and wasn't really publicized. And like, oh, so this has been going on for a while. okay and there was a whole bunch of people that had no idea what Ottawa was going to become and everything else I'm not saying that right but when you're talking about a physical confrontation I bet you're a lot of people went into Ottawa going like listen well there were been some we best be prepared this is why we need to be on our best behavior they're going to try and go to us in on all these different ways and we just got to be their peace and love and we'll get through this which amazing about it is you know, they thought there was going to be, you know, I don't know, a thousand people.

And then you had tens of thousands of people and nothing substantial happened over the course of, you know, weeks. What's Daniel Bulford, right? Is that the right name? Yeah. So he, somebody like him who has military training or police officer training would have been more aware of what could happen and where the avenues this could go down for sure. So if he's involved, he'd be like, here's some potential avenues and here's how we don't go down those avenues, you know, like every guy's seen him do or watched, you know, from, you know, from. far. It teaches you too, like, if this happens again or whatever happens, is the, what I've noticed is as long as it's not political, the, you're punished very little for anything outside

of policy nowadays, you know what I mean? So I can go punch a guy in a face and most the cops are too damn busy even give a shit about it, right? But if I go and say something ignorant about gays on the fucking internet, well, look out. you know what I mean? So we can pick our battles. So if you're going to go in and pick a political battle, you're going to get smacked up. That's what's going to happen.

You're going to jail and you're going to get canceled out, right? That's what's going to happen. Now, if you pick your battles where, like I threatened to kill everybody at the school that my kids go to because of masking stuff, right? Well, I knew damn well that probably nothing was going to come of that. Right? So you can pick your battles.

and still get what you want. But like what I'm saying about the trucker convoy is... What happened at the school? Oh, they fucking... So Eric, my youngest, they... We got mask exemptions for them. And I just told them, I said, don't wear a mask. Just don't.

If they kick you out of school, they kick you out of school. I said, you ran... And it was awesome. I got to teach my kids about weak people of authority, right? I said, your teachers are a bunch of weak people. they've chosen to be authority to children by default most of them some of them actually want to be educators but most of them just like to pick on kids as being the authority figure of that's what i found about most teachers not all of them there's about seven good ones out there maybe but they're

most of them just want to bully kids right they can't bully adults because they're weak but they can bully kids so yeah anyway they they had we their mom and I I fought pretty hard to get this max mask exemption to go through the oh she's a slimy bitch that she was the head the Buffalo Trails school division um uh superintendent Ray Anson I hope she's listening and heard me say that you're a piece of shit um she was pushing this down to the principal that was then forcing the kids. They're like, no, we don't care if you have a mask exemption, right? So my youngest goes into class the one day with,

so we had a big meeting with the principal and the vice principal. And basically they had the, when Eric walked into the classroom, his teacher or whatever you want to call her, she pushes everybody to the wall and they had a special desk set up for him in the back of the room and pushed everybody out of the way so he could walk into his desk without his mask on then they brought all the rest of the kids and like segregated him off and then if he had to go to the bathroom everybody had to get up

go stand on the other corner of the classroom well he walked out to the bathroom where he had to be escorted by somebody to make sure that of course six feet away because we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic at this point And so he'd go to the bathroom. And then when he'd come back, he'd stand at the door. Everybody had to get up across the room. He had to eat lunch by himself, all this stuff.

And you didn't have to play basketball by himself? Yeah, he had to go play basketball by himself with the gym. And I didn't know. And there was no masks at the time. Couldn't you have no masks in gym class? Yeah, but because he didn't wear a mask though, he was. But do you think other kids were. He was punished for not being.

But the other kids wearing masks. They weren't either in gym class. He gets to play by himself at one end and all the other masks. Exactly. So anyway. Science. Yeah, they come home and tell me this because I thought it wasn't going to be, it didn't sound. So what I'm saying is if you pick your battles correctly, violence is an awesome threat because these people don't like violence.

They love control, right? These teachers and doctors and lawyers, they live in your town. You know where they live. You can let them know this, right? I want to be clear here. encouraging violence. I am. Or the threat of it.

Well, because here's the thing. They're going to do this until you stop them. They are going to, there's going to be COVID 2. There's going to be COVID 3. There's going to be climate change 5. There's all these that's just going to repeat. The one thing that will never change in human history is fear. It's just their fear is at us.

We can push our fear at them. You know, there's never a day on this podcast. So I'm going to say it one more time. I'm not pushing violence, that Tanner or somebody won't come out here and say things, and I'm like, oh, my, and you found a way, you know, and in probably a couple of years, I'll probably be like, well, he was either right or is wrong, you know, like,

you don't have to go and burn down somebody's house. I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is the threat of it is sometimes often enough. But here's the thing. I'm married to a teacher. She's a lovely woman. I know a bunch of teachers. They're lovely people. I know, I know a bunch of health care workers.

They're a bunch of lovely people. Now, are there, like, but in saying that, in saying all that, I didn't have my kids go to a school where what you just talked about happened. And so I can't sit here and defend the school where they segregated kids for having a mask exemption and then allow basketball class to go on and be like, well, no, you got to go sit over there and play. Because you won't wear a mask. You're like, I mean, when you think about that, folks, that's about as sane as it gets, you know? And saying that, I'm going to say this, the Sean Newman podcast is not promote violence. As much as Tanner's like, I do. I'm like, I don't.

It's one of the things about freedom of speech that I think is so powerful. And I think with violence, too. I think you can say what you want. You can say, you know, that's free speech. On here, I let things go. But I don't encourage violence. No, and I don't either, but at the same, I do. And even when I think, when you're like, I don't think a punch has been throwing yet.

I think punches have been throwing it. It's just in a different way. I mean, a punch was thrown at your family for Pete's sake. Well, that's why you. you called everybody out and said, like, hey, let's go then. Yeah. And the thing is, is like, once again, with it comes to freedom of speech, I think the encouragement of even Ottawa wasn't to go there and commit violence.

It was there to go and commit peaceful protest. What's the word I'm looking for here, where you go and, like Gandhi did it. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't know what term you'd put on that. Like peaceful resistance. Non-compliance, non-compliance. Sure. Right?

But at some point it might not be. Like, you know, there has to be that if we don't have a threat of fear towards them, because their fear doesn't come from work. Like they shoot their words at us and they're like black belt in words, right? But they don't like the physical part. So what I'm saying is you can turn. that script. They don't like the thought of physical. I wonder, Chad, what do you think of this? But again, no, if you're, like I said earlier, though, if you're going to go and if you're going to go

and exert this physical fear on them, you got to know what you're up against because you're going to do some time. Like you're going to, so it better be a goddamn good reason. Right. That's what I'm saying. No, I mean, there's, there's levels of disagreement, right? I think Jordan Biers talks about that too, is in a man's mind. and you're like, and the last card is violence, right? We've had war. We've had, you know, bar fights. We've had all the rest.

But I wonder is to do what Ken always does is maybe that wouldn't have happened had we not. Like if we would have had good people on the board, right, to begin with, if we would have, you know, I just wonder there's lots of different ways to come up that same problem before we resort to violence. Right. So, you know, at some point in time, I mean, if somebody comes in and wants to, slit my family's throat why I might have to resort to violence to protect them. Well, I think you're resorting to violence. Right.

But peaceful non-compliance. I don't think it's going to work at that point. No, there's so at some point in time. But as well, maybe there's lots of things we can try before you get to that. Like, I can lock my door at night. I can try to live in a low crime area. I can try to not do bad things that have people want to come and pay me back favors. You know, like, do a bad drug deal.

Well, guess what? Somebody's probably going to knock on your door at some point in time. Bring violence to your doorstep. So the, uh, I'm just, I'm just trying to, uh, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to a try to throw you life line. Oh, no, I don't hear. I, this is what I believe in. No, no, no. I'm not making fun. I'm not rocking around punching old ladies.

Like it's, what I'm saying is violence is part of who, of, of what we are. Right. It's part of our society as part of what it is. Violence is the number one. That is the end. get like I said if I use my big boy words all the time if it if it was if it was in the game of hockey I would know exactly what he's talking yeah when right you you go into the game of hockey is there intimidation that you have and and if verbal intimidation doesn't work is there

physical intimidation in the game of hockey they're trying to get away from it of course they are but but in the games that I always grew up playing there was that and there was always the threat of violence so what you're talking about From a game of hockey standpoint, I think if you're a hockey player list in this or a sports fan, you know exactly what you're talking about. In the game of life, I would say that that has been slowly weeded out of our system. Why? Because they don't like it. That's why.

If we lose our ability for violence, we lose everything. So in hockey, this is what I'm saying. You use a perfect example. So if we can no longer use violence or the threat of violence to police ourselves in hockey, what does that sport even turn into? Well, little guys like me become able to make the NHL. Yeah, nasty and morasty when he's on the phone. But then even like, but you play with a bit of an edge.

All of a sudden, all it is is just a bunch of pussies running the league. Still hockey. It's soccer. Right. So this is what I'm saying is hockey in society aren't that much different. And the fact that all these, look at hockey Canada right now, now ran by the liberal government. So they are taking out violence and hockey because they're trying to remove violence from us, right? They're trying to kill testosterone levels through you eating fucking bugs and soy burgers.

They're trying to do everything they can to remove violence from humanity. Why? Because violence is what stops them. What stops them isn't, I'm going to go and use my words and be like, hey, guys, like, that doesn't fucking work. what works against these people is either a violence or be just the threat of it because they don't like you the violence

they hate that shit and I've proven it a few times with some of these guys like they hate it so for us to say oh no to violence and violence violence it's like no no that's the only thing we're going to have that's our trump card we're not going to be able to words our way out of people that

live in word world you know what I mean so eventually we're going to need the violence. And honestly, if we can hurry up and start threatening violence towards these people, they will start being like, oh, shit.

But right now we're just sitting there being like, I'm going to, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go run for town council. And I'm going to go and I'm going to create some policies and we're going to change. It's like, fuck you, you're not. Start getting a little bit scary. And these guys will start cowering and fucking. You guys won't know this, but I literally just had

last week a guy on talking about how we need to get violence out of, out of the, like, we all need as a human race to rise up. And he was, he was talking about Buddha. And I'm like, if you're listening to the podcast right now, you're going, you just went from maybe we need to all take the violent words and aggressions out of it to, well, violence. I don't know. Yeah. It's, I mean, if we're getting lost. But as I talk about this, you guys are sitting here looking at each other raising your fucking eyebrows, because you know it's not wrong. No, I would say, and we're probably getting long and I don't know if anybody's going to listen to this. Maybe Sean always says it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But here's,

I'm sitting here going like, I, you know, when I was bringing these two guys on, I did not see this coming. And I'm almost caught. I'm almost, you know, it's, it's just like I'm so caught off guard. Like I'm like, you're advocating for violence. And I'm going, I'm not advocating for violence. I'm advocating against violence. But if I put it to the game of hockey, which we do a lot. I understand the mentality, because if you want to bully the other side, the threat of violence, or, you know, like having some big dudes that'll go mess up the other team, you know, and all the fans look down on it.

But if it's your team, you're kind of like, well, we won four Stanley Cups in a row. Anyways. Let me try to add some sanity. When there's a fight in the NHL, 20,000 people stand up and spill their fucking beer. So I think we still like the violence. So I've got a cousin that's an engineer and lots of engineers are found. Anyways, one of them was at our place on the weekend. And he worked down in Texas for a bit.

And he was talking about how, when they're there, they're kind of like, Texas had just changed from concealed carry to open carry, right? So, because she goes into Costco or something like that. And she's like, what's with all these dudes wearing these holsters, right? She's like, oh, right, it's January 1st. These laws, I guess, changed on January 1st to open carry. And so just last night, Jenny and I were traveling. We come back from Saskatoon.

and had my first taste of some of this more scariest, scarier things happen in the city. So I'm filling up with gas at about midnight or 1 o'clock in the morning. And a person comes up to or beside my vehicle, looking heavily intoxicated or stoned, demanding that I pay him to fill my gas. And I mean, I do jiu-jitsu. I do kickboxing. I'm fairly comfortable, 200 pounds, you know. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, I'm just going to avoid this.

I'm like, no, I'm sorry, thank you very much. I pull into Tim Horton's parking lot, wait until he goes away, come back. And then I'm like, Jennifer, I got to go in and pay, come with me, do not stay in the car. She's because I don't want to get out. I said, you're getting out. We're going into the gas station. I see him overhausting somebody else. Perfect.

Just stay away from me. Because if you come at my wife, then we've got to do something. Right. And so I go in, I come back, and now he's standing between me in the gas station. And I'm like, because I can do violence, right? I'm like, I'm going to show you the card, but I don't want to play it. Right? So I'm like, sir, I need you to do not come close to me.

Don't come to my car. I'm just telling you, please don't. I don't want problems. And he starts, you got a problem, you got a problem. And I'm like, sir, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Stay back. Because if you come, come near this car.

And I can see him, he does a half circle. If he comes, he's going to go and straight me. And as soon as he's like, this guy's not messing around. He doesn't arc and he goes back. Like, thank God. Thank God. Right. Because I just don't know.

Don't thank God. No, no. Yeah, I thank Jiuitsu. But guess what happened? next he goes back gets a backpack and I'm like and he starts beeline and straight for me with a hand behind the backpack he's like you got a problem you got a problem right and so I'm like I don't have open carry right so the violence thing right and I'm and I'm like I get in my car and I'm like if I have to drive away because I got I got six kids I you know I get a shot to the anyways it was just

just did a lot of soul searching on the way home I'm like I had nothing you know I got nothing I got jujitsu I got kickboxing and this guy's like he's like he's walking up to me like. Now, if you had a gun, he wouldn't do that. I called the police. And you could tell they're just like, yeah, you're, you're a call 72 tonight. And we're not coming. You know, they didn't say that.

But they're like, I'm like, listen, there's a guy that made a motion at me, came at me. I'm, I'm, I've driven away now. I'm safe. They're like, yeah, which part of it? What town? Yeah, we'll probably send somebody by, right? Like, I just had a guy come at me.

Like, either pretending he had a gun or had a gun. And I'm like, huh, if you had open carry, right? That wouldn't happen. That settles a lot of, well, I don't. don't know I don't know where my point is with this you know I guess but I mean problem is Ken is with open carry is he better be white if you're shooting them that's the only problem I have with this nowadays is they have 10 different angles to get you as the horrible man like it's this this is bad news this whole thing I don't

know but here I guess from my brain it's kind of interesting guys we go into this conversation I'm finding my brain going back to maybe where I was or and I I'm like all I want to talk now is solutions and for myself personally because I put myself into a healthier state that's why I did that line drew up my goals how do we minimize this and if we get to a point to where we have

mass violence mass violence I think I've done enough reading on history on would it be fun maybe do I want or is it maybe time to move to a different country you know there's more violence there

it's funny just to close out yeah you gotta get going because you got to go to your kid's birthday party it's funny just to close out. It's funny. That's a first, you know, and I'm like, just the violence thing. You guys don't talk about this? I do. I don't want to. I'm not promoting violence. I am. I'm like, you've never had

anybody say that? No, definitely not. You are by five the first. You know what, Tanner, you're first. I kind of feel honored. No, we've all, but you played senior hockey. You get into violence. I do fight training. I understand. We've all done violence, right? So anyway, let's get out of here. Thanks for, thanks for coming in. Boy, you know, anytime. The next, I say this lots, but the next time we do this, we're going to make sure we just have open air time every which way, so we can go as long as we want. Because I hate to shut it down.

No, there is no preparing. This is like, holy man, buckle up. I'm sure somebody was driving him, was like, what did they say? Well, that's sad if that rattled. If that ruffles your feathers, then we've gotten too soft. But anyway. What does Tanner say? Be hard to kill.

Be hard to kill. Yeah. Have a good one, boys. Thank you, Sean.