Shaun Newman Podcast - #490 - Chuck Prodonick

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

He’s a former sergeant as a member of the Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry who served in four tours overseas. Chuck has 9 years spent working with the most hardened criminals in Alberta and he adds his thoughts to the Coutts 4. Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastPatreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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For more information, visit them at Hancockpatroleum.com.ca. He's a former sergeant who was a member of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry who served in four tours overseas. I'm talking about Chuck Prodnick. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Did you just say, I'm sitting with Chuck Brodnick, folks.

Did you just say Toos is kind of like a Jeremy McKenzie light? When he gets ranting, because he has a good flow, you know, like a bit of a rapper. You know, they have to have the flow. Raging dissidentity. But the Bud Light style. Well, the thing I like about Jeremy is when he gets going and there's few that can match him, whether you agree with his message or not. Sure.

And I mean, he's very divisive that way. Nobody disagrees. But he can really go quickly through his mind and get it out. Concisely, passionately. Nobody can disagree that he doesn't believe in what he's saying. And same as when people. Toos talking like he's passionate about it. He means it.

And he's got great flow to it. And I, to me, when I watch either, you know, you know, you know what the difference is here. I think this is the difference. I could be wrong on this. Toos doesn't do it as much as McKenzie does. McKenzie does his three hour shows and he's been doing those for a long time. True. And you have to get better.

Or you just naturally will. I mean, it's, you're constantly talking like he literally talks to himself. Yeah. Over and over and over again, right? Well, plus McKenzie, Jeremy was infantry and you can rant. No, there's nobody who can rant like an infanteer or bitch or moan or complain. It's just it's part of the profession. So he's got that ingrained in him and you build up a lot of rant over time and he lets her buck and I appreciate that.

Fair enough. Well, I tell you what folks, Chuck Pradnik back in studios with me. Thanks for making the drive. You know, if you are just new to the podcast and you're on like, okay, who's Chuck? Go back. You've been on. This will be your fourth time. Yeah, fourth time. You know, and second time by yourself. But certainly if you're wanting to hear a little bit more, go listen to some of the other conversations we've had because you've been on multiple times.

Now, you brought me in a bottle and I'm laughing. I'm like, am I going to try and pronounce this or am I going to let? Because, you know, Henry Sidelitz, wherever you're sitting, he's like, never lose you trying to pronounce. He says he laughs in his, his leg ofoolin. Legavoolin. Yeah. So. I've never had that before. No.

And, and. And honestly, thank you very much. That's awfully kind. Well, you know, you do a lot. We talked about this on the phone earlier about the conversation that needs to happen in Canada, whether, whatever direction it goes, you're having the conversation and not many people are. And, you know, you've had me here a few times and you've had some incredible guests on and you did some stuff. your studio I really like and I wanted to give you something to what do you think of the yeah well

I appreciate that so for the audience like I you know they I tell you what that's we're gonna have a leg you then you know I feel very prestigious right now it'll put hair in your chest I like your studio you know we were talking earlier it feels cozy in here you fit it uh it kind of it kind of feels I don't want to say it wasn't professional before because it was it feels now like It's just us and there's no the outside world cut off. And I kind of like that. Well, you're the guinea pig. You're the first one.

So I was in here till early hours last night. I joked about it. One of the intros, I'm like, oh, I am, I'm wore out, but I'd been, I'd been in here. I got, I got started. So I put the soundproofing squares on the wall. You know, it's a wall. I don't know. I don't know how many squares that is.

But, you know, you start getting them going and you're like, I'm okay. I'm going to finish this. But, I mean, finishing it takes time because, I mean, you're not just slapping up there any which way right no no and so it took time and it's funny um i was saying to this before we got started like well the hillmont hitman when we did our dressing room we had this thing it's like you know if you're not just improving it slightly each year what happens is is you know 25 grown man slowly wear it down and it starts to show and then it starts to feel kind of like yeah and i think i just noticed it in the studio i've been in here every day for almost two straight years now 21 yeah two

two straight years. And it's funny, you just, you start to realize, oh, that's kind of like, yeah. And one of the things I was saying is like, I'm going to be slowly changing out some of the art in here because it just, it isn't representative of what I do anymore. So like, you know, twos on the last mashup, we got joking around about the donair fighting the rooster. And he had all these AI things. I was like, it was hilarious.

Well, Dale Wilker, who's been on the podcast, reached out because he'd drawn me this little hand drawn one. He's like, well, do you want that? He's like, I'll do way better. I just chicken scratch it. I'm like, yeah, but can you do it this big? And he's, I'll do whatever you want. So we're going to have a Dale Wilker original sitting in here with the rooster.

And I'm like, it feels like the rooster should be a part of the studio at some point. Yeah. You know, and then it's Jack that's been helping me, I got a kid working for me. Yeah. I should call him a kid. He's early 20s. And he's like, you know, can you put up a curtain or something to get rid of the door? So for people watching the video behind Chuck, we know.

longer have the wall there. It's just a black curtain. And so that's new. And so it's funny. You know, you get used to a space. Yes. And then you just start to look at like the tables on the opposite side. Because I'm like, you know, I kind of want the logo, you know, and as we work through camera angles and some different things, people are going to start to see some changes there as well. But I'm like, you know, like I sit on the other side. It's over top the this and that. I'm like, I just, I don't know. I don't know what it was about the studio. But I tell you what, by the end of last night, it's two in the morning. And I'm like, do I just stay up all night and just get ready for a try? And I'm like, I'm in a good mood.

And I'm not saying I was ever in a bad mood, folks, but it's funny. You just, it's almost. You stagnant. Yeah. And I tell you what, I don't take any offense by looking more professional and everything else. There's more things that need to happen. But where it sits today compared to last night, I'm like, or yesterday when I started, I'm like, man, I like, I like the feel of this.

Like, this feels like let's go, you know, like, you know, I was joking. Like Oliver Anthony, you know, he's on, he's on Rogan. I haven't listened to it yet. What a cool story, hey. Wow. Yeah. For him. But one of the things that Rogan has, he has this, like, professional thing that he just,

you know, certainly money can buy. But, like, his studio looks kick ass. And one of the things I want to leave Chuck or anyone else that comes here is, like, when they drive away, I'm like, man, you've got to go to Lloyd. If you're going to sit down with a shot, you've got to go to Lloyd and go sit in the studio because that's a cool experience. That's what I want. I want the experience factor to be.

go up a notch. And I like you said, when you walked in the first time, it wasn't like you're like, oh, this, it was, it was good for the first time. But now I'm trying to raise the bar as best I can. Well, for me, I'm not running around the country doing podcasts. You were the first. No, I did one with Russell Hillier a few years before we'd met, but it was just over the phone in my own office at home. And it was fun and great. He's a great guy out of Calgary. He does one soldier story. And his brother went and fought against Isis. His brother was in my, the Patricia's and then got out. And that's a whole thing, um, who was in the news.

But anyway, coming, well, you came out to site where, uh, we're with our secret office and did one there, which was its own, that was great. That was a cool experience. That was pretty cool. And, uh, coming here is like, now I'm in the pros. Like this is and it, even before all this and whatever upgrades you do, it, it still felt like that. And you talk about.

Joe Rogan's being what it is. I'm only about 10 minutes into Oliver Anthony's and I'm, you know, I'll listen to it on the way home. But, um, he's got a big red curtain. It's just basically the same curtain, but red behind the guest and his, he's got some monitors and he's got to do the Google stuff for them. And it's, but it does all over Anthony. He's like, man, you're coming in your lobby.

You got this and you got that. And it's it for sure he wow factors them. I don't think he needs to obviously, but, you know, this is a wow factor for anybody because really we're Canadian, we're all just kind of normies in a way. You come in, you're like, man, I'm just intimidated being on a show, you know,

like what am I going to talk about for two hours or two and a half hours and not sound like an idiot too much of the time, the kind of thing. You know, we were talking with this earlier. You had Donald Best on a week or so ago, give or take, maybe. Yeah, by the time this will be open Monday,

so it'll be the previous Monday. Yeah, it'll be a week. So I'd heard a little bit about him. And if you haven't listened to it out there, folks, listen to the Donald Best story because it's he's, he touches. As you say this, cheers, by the way. Thanks for coming. Yes, sir. Oh, that'll put air on your question.

That's pretty good. It's pretty good, scotch. But hearing him talk about how his career of basically 40 plus years investigating corrupt cops, politicians, judges, and doing that end of the work. of the world and then getting involved in what he got into where three corrupt, I think it was three corrupt lawyers and a corrupt judge basically conspired in this inheritance or this estate affair thing. And he wound up going to prison. 63 days in solitary confinement because they were worried he would have been harmed if he was led out to the general population.

Having the other part of my background is I worked in corrections for about nine years, nine plus years after I got out of the infantry. Yeah, he would have, knowing what happens to cops that wind up in corrections and, and a lot of guards, a lot of COs who do wrong and get caught and that happens so often. And it stays out of the news because they need to maintain this perception that every CO that works in a prison or, or corrections is straight-laced. And no. It my time in corrections I saw personally saw probably a dozen get taken down for absolutely bad things.

And they have to get hidden away in a protective custody element. So and knowing that's mostly where I worked in corrections was the was in segregation, like the max pod at ERC, that can break somebody that can break an inmate real quick. Like a hardened inmate who winds up in a mask. unit that can break them in days weeks no problem to take a normal civilian basically in regular human and put them into that situation who not a good time and especially knowing when you're when you're in the blue uniform and you know that dude that came in is supposedly broken the law and he was on

your side and he's now betrayed the blue even though you know caught blue and guard blue, you're still the all blue and team blue and you you feel very like this dude to trade her. So I can only imagine he may not have had the best go, not saying he did or didn't. But it could have been, he might have, he didn't touch on it too much. I kind of wish he'd had gotten a bit more into that detail. Well, and if I have them back on, I could certainly dig into it a bit more. He might not want to either because like we were talking about before, that'll leave a mark. 60 something. days, we'll leave a mark on a hardened inmate that can break them on a regular human.

Man. Well, I just, I don't know, maybe you can tell me this is if the movies get this right or wrong. But every time you have an internal investigator, so a police investigating police, they're like the most hated person under the sun. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then to get stuck in, you know, to get thrown in jail. He's got a double negative. He was, correct.

He used to bust bad cops. And then all of a sudden, he, he's, you know, he's going to get thrown in jail. He's the bad cop. Correct. Forget about it. Like, you know, it could have been, it could have been something he does never want to talk about. I don't know, but it wouldn't have been a fun time for him at all. I mean, I worked in the environment and it can break.

It can really affect a staff member working in that environment. You're, you're doing time with them, you know, essentially for eight to, if you're doing overtime. I've done over times where I was doing 16 hour days on my unit. which was the most hellish unit idiot or sea. Like it was the worst of the worst people in Alberta day in day out

like just eventually you're like give me go let me go somewhere easy. Which sounds ridiculous to say in a jail like let me go work an easy unit now but I've been in the worst spot for too long. I don't know how much you can talk about it

but like what do you mean by worst? Like I just like you're talking murders you're talking Yeah so you'd see some high profile news event they have to go somewhere and typically, especially if they're media heavy, depending what the crime was or what the event was, they don't wind up on a general population unit. Maybe eventually once things die down, they might, and depending on what the charges are. But if they're a particularly bad dude, they'll go to where I was most of the time, which was regular bad dudes, gang members, murderers, heavy heavy. hitters, heavy hitters. Next door to me was the protective custody of that kind.

So basically you're, you're. So when you have, sorry, when you, when you have like these high profile dangerous men come in, is it like mentally taxing? I mean, it's not like they're trying to, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Are they trying to like bust up the guards or? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh yeah. We, I was hands on close to every day on depending on how bad the days were. Um, so. So every day you're walking into that drop gone, Bill just came in. Bill is a thorn in my side. Instead of him just going in his cell or doing whatever, he's going to come at me every single day, whether it's with verbal attacks or physical like screw you coppers.

So once they've made it to MaxPod, for whatever reason, it could be a violation in this in, in jail itself. They might have gotten into a fight or they might have attacked a guard. or they might have got caught with X, Y, or Z. To get on MaxPod does take a fair bit. Like, you really got to be a shedhead to get there. You don't just wind up there because you're saying too loud in choir. Like, you know, they were bad dudes to get there.

So once they're there and they misbehave, where else are they going to go? They're already here. Like, you know, so for them, the incentive to behave is, well, if I behave and I put in a couple weeks of good time, I get reviewed and maybe I'll get put back into general population. So if you can get them to behave for a couple weeks, great. But honestly, they come in so hot half the time that you're like, okay, it's going to be fun. And then you'll walk on on your shift in the morning or the afternoon and you'll be, you'll hear banging on the glass like, Broadneck, when you open this door, it's on.

And you're like, I just fucking got here. Like I'm one coffee in. Like, can we give it a minute? And you're like, I don't even know what this guy's issue is today. Did you enjoy that job? Oh, fir, you don't get me wrong. I like to play, but, you know, at that point I was in my early 40s and I'm tussling with 25 year old 250 pound monsters. Like, like you take the worst looking inmate, the most, you know, devastatingly vicious looking inmate out of a movie, fill that with like 50 these critters on my unit.

And it's like, not all of them were big beasts. Don't get me wrong. there's some little shitheads too. Um, they're just as dangerous or if not more, but it wears always the small guys. It's the dude, the roughest goes I've had have been with 130 pound soaking wet like nut jobs like just they got nothing to lose. I've also tussed with some like legendary dudes too and you're like man. And the funny thing is the real heavies will shake your hand after like it that's a very,

maybe it's Canadian. I don't know. be like, boss, that was a good one. Good for you. You know, like, hmm. So when people come to my show and Chuck standing out front, they understand why now. It's like, well, I have some experience that most people don't. That's for sure.

But I'm glad not to be doing it anymore. And I have a ton of friends who still are. It, uh, the physical and mental aspect of it, it's difficult. It's a different difficult than the military was. Um, honestly, I would wrap. chased haliband up and down a hill being shot at, then then walk onto my unit and know that three out of the 24 cells want to fight me that day. Because now I know that the second that door pops for his exercise or I have to go in and do a cell search. He's in there and he's posture

and he's rolling and he's not putting on a show. When that door opens, the bowl's coming out and you're like, well, here we go. And did you have a name for yourself then? Like, was this every, every guard, or was this prodig? I heard your story, you know, because like, that did happen. In hockey, you know, like, uh, um, hockey players talk, you know, so if, if there's a guy who likes to tussle and he hears that, I know, a guy that comes to mind is like nasty, morasty or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I heard I seen your fight.

Oh, I heard you were. Let's find out. And that let's find out is, uh, well, I, I, I, I, I, I heard. I don't know. I've seen lots of guys do that across all different divisions I played in. The let's find out mentality because somebody, you know, fresh meets on the block. Well, I mean, was that everybody had that had that ability? Or were certain favorites like Prodnick's back on.

I can't wait. There were that. Honestly, having a bit of a reputation worked to my advantage because mostly I was fair. I was there's, I've worked with a lot of staff who were heat bags and they would come on to a unit and they'd want it to happen. Typically they were ex-balancers. Bouncers are that mentality of like they're just looking for the tussle. And man, like you're working in corrections in the worst place in Alberta. It's going to find you.

You don't need to look for it. Please don't look for it. So for me having, you know, everybody knew I had a military background. And honestly, there's a lot of military staff there anyway. But I had a reputation as being fair. If I could do something within the limits of what. my job entailed, I'd get it done. If a, I've, if dude's meal got screwed up, I wouldn't be like some staff and be like,

fuck you eat, eat what you got. You like, you meal got fucked up. I don't fuck with your food. I'll go fix it. I'll get the kitchen. I'll fix this. I, because I don't need the headache over somebody's shitty meal that's already a shitty meal. I didn't need the headache.

If it cost me walking, um, ERC is a big place. If it costs me walking my ass down to go get this meal sorted, it's credit, right? I fixed his meal done I don't have to fight the guy over a 10 cent meal and then it those things do you build that rapport right um but yes definitely I got in some tussles because they're like well he's the guy so if you want to make any if some kid on a new unit if it comes into the unit had to make a name for himself they'd be like that's the guy I'm like oh man well here we go and some guy'd come in from a code like a assaulting an office

or somewhere else in the building and we'd get them. Well, now he's got a, now I'm the guy. And so it's, it got to a point where I was running those four units at the boss. And I was like, told my boss is after a few, I'm like, I need off here. I think it's too much. Like, I've done too much time here. And I didn't think I had for a while. And then another friend of mine who was a boss there, he's like, Chuckie, you got to get out of there.

Like it's, you're not, like, you're in something every day, which is normal for there. That's not abnormal. But it's all it's a dungeon. It's a hell hole and it takes a toll. Like when I left there to go work for Dave and John, growing cannabis, what a transition. Um, I could breathe again. You don't you feel like you're always holding your breath, like all the time. I didn't feel like that way even in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan was like, all right, let's go hunting. Let's get this going. And of course you're terrified. Don't get me wrong. And it's not even that I was scared to work year seat because I don't think I ever really was I mean I knew my limits I knew what I know what I can and can't do I'm not the toughest guy in the world but if you're going to get in front of me you're gonna think I am like you're gonna

find out in a heartbeat who's gonna do this but it was the is this easy you really gonna come at me when the door opens one time this little kid and he got put up to it by another guy when probably this other guy wanted a piece of me and he never could get it never happened But he got this kid, you know, I don't know what he gave him. No, he never asked him. He's like when you open that door and Prattna comes in to do the cell search because every shift you have to do a cell search, make sure they have no contraband. That's their opportunity. And I was like, this kid's like 130 pounds. He's not, he's not. And he's generally not a bad kid. He comes in because he messes up sometimes, you know. He's never really been a problem for us. Door open and he chinned me. I was like, he actually hit me. I stood there for a second, like looking at my partner who was with me. And he's like, he looks at me and I look at him and I'm like, well, game on now.

And I handled it. And later, you know, doing around that night after it all settled down, the kids like, hey, Bronnik, I'm sorry, you know, you know what happened. Right. I'm like, yeah, I know. He's like, are we going to have a hard time now? I'm like, no, man, at least you did it. Like, well, these other big 300 pounders in here just talk about it.

You did it. You know, good for you. never we joked about it for two years after that my last two years are correct every time I'd seen we joke about it like you can have that kind of rapport where it's just done this beef is squashed and yeah I've run into guys on the street um in emminton you know like who's how's this going to go and it's always like boss how you doing like it's never been isn't that an like uh you know when they when they talk about chuck tales I'm like this is a fascinating world that I have I have like zero iota of what this entails most people don't and so here's another weird aspect to it or part of it so the other day the tuesday monday monday um had to take my daughter down she's in her mid-20s and she's getting her inheritance um so we had to go down to the lawyers downtown emminton and she's like i don't want to drive can you drive me down there it's it's horrible to drive in emminton we all know that so i'm like yeah sure whatever i'm i'm retired what am i going to do so

So we drive down there and it happens that this office building right downtown Emmington is very close to the whole mission. And I don't know if you know much about. So it's basically worth all the homeless and the tent cities prop up and I've been down in that area a bunch in my life and it's always been bad. But we were driving down 97th coming in from Warrenville and I'm seeing tents already right off 97th, which is a fairly major thoroughfare. And my daughter's like, where are people camping out here?

Now, she's, she's a little naive when it comes to this stuff. And I'm like, oh, no, no, that's like the start of the tent cities. They've never been this far out. Like they've never been, they're usually much more centralized. So as we get closer to where her office, the building we have to go to for this appointment. And we go by Hope Mission and there's like a little dog leg, a couple roads around it. And, uh, it was, it was like stuff you'd see out of San Francisco.

You know, you know what we're talking about, the really bad, and she was shook. I mean, it shook me too. You see people nodded, what they call it, nodding, when they're just so passed out from the drugs that they're literally folded, you know, you can't imagine a human can contort that way and be alive, but they're just. So I didn't salmon arm when I was there. Mm-hmm.

And it's, and it's around the country. It's not just Emmington. I'm not knocking Emmington. But it I was like I know that guy and a very distinctive face tattoo You saw you saw guys you're driving I saw like three of them that I knew fairly well like had had dealt with Sure significantly and she's like you knew that guy from jail and I'm like yeah I dealt with that guy like for three years and she's like she my kids know what I've done But they don't know what I've done so not that I've had to protect them from it. It's just not something you bring up at dinner like oh today I got attacked by three inmates you know like

in that kind of thing or today a hunted Taliban that this wasn't part of the conversation yeah for her to see that she's like I don't get it like how are we how is this possible like why isn't anybody helping them I'm like well that's a whole other discussion but I'm like this is where we're at like people that people are having a rough go a lot of people are having a rough go I've seen a lot of tent city down there before anybody who's been Thremington has and we know that the problems that are down there. I've never seen it. It looked like a zombie movie. Honestly, I thought I was on a zombie movie movie set.

Like it was blocks of it. It was tense everywhere. People nodded out right on the street. And I was blown away. And for me to be blown away by something, it's a little bit apocel. but I don't even know where you go with it. I don't know how it gets fixed anymore. I don't know what the solution is.

I can tell you the part of it is, somebody dropped on Twitter this morning that I think we have like four point something million, four plus million visas allocated for next year to bring in more immigration under the Trudeau government. I don't hate immigrants. I don't dislike anybody who isn't Canadian, but I like Canadians more. And I would prefer that until we can fix a few of our own problems at home, maybe we just slow things down a little. We don't we don't have housing for everybody as it is anyway. I mean, people in Canada living in- Even if we did, nobody can afford it. Nobody can afford it. My kids, both mid-20s, both have decent-sized bank accounts and decent jobs, cannot afford to get into a home.

Like they can't when my wife, my late wife and I bought our first home like a million years ago, we put, 5k down bought a mansion basically that house now I know the house it sells for about 350,000 dollars I paid much less than that a third less or two-thirds less than that it's you know they nobody can afford to get it and even if you have a home dude my my mortgage came up last November I went from like I think it was like at 1.8 or 1.9 maybe twoish I was in that zone I went up to like 5.8. You're going to tell you what kind of hit that is

on your freaking mortgage payment. And now I'm okay. But why am I? Why? Because Trudeau is incompetent and his government has just torn our country apart. And you may have a liberal listener out there or two who disagrees.

I doubt it. I wonder if I got any liberal listeners. You might. I might. You might. I'd be curious. Text me because, you know, I've had,

I love the text line. Somebody's like, oh, people get mad at you on there. I'm like, well, not mad. I love all my listeners. Because if they disagree, they disagree in such a flight way of like, I just didn't like that person. And that's fine. And that's fair too.

We don't all get along. We don't all agree. But at least you're having the conversation. And I think that's the most important part is the conversations that happen. Now, with the housing thing, for me, I absorbed it. I don't like it, but why should I have to absorb X amount of dollars? And it's a significant chunk when you go from anybody who has a mortgage knows. One of the things Chuck, I think I did a poor disservice on is, but, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm my harshest critic.

So as harsh as anyone else can be on me, I'm harder. I think that goes true for anyone. I think you're really hard on yourself. And when it comes to this, I'm really hard on myself. And one of the things I saw coming was. the mortgage rates. Like you asked my wife how much I talked about it for like two straight years. Like I mean, I just wouldn't, I wouldn't lock in anything, but I wouldn't stop looking at it. I was just like, this is coming anyways. And as a podcast, I just thought, even right now,

it's like financial crisis. It's like, this is going to hurt us all. That's why I keep bringing Chris Sims back on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, people need to get this through their heads, including mine. Things are not getting better anytime soon. No. And what does that means is things are going to cost more. That means you're your, you're, you're, you're, you're, Monthly bills going up. Oh, yeah. Food bills, going up. Your houses, going up.

Everything's going up. It's like, it's sad. And I look at this, and I go back to the housing, the interest rates. Me and my three older brothers argued about this for like, in the book club, argued about this for so long. Yeah. And I did this insane thing back then that all the bankers are like, you're going to do what? I locked in for 10 years.

I was just like, I'm going to lock in for 10 years. And I had to go find somebody who would allow me to do that. And I never talked about it on the podcast. and I've tried taking that side of where my brain's at and try and bring it to the, you know, now that I do anywhere between four or five podcasts a week, I'm trying as hard as I can to pull on different people that I hope can help people navigate these rough waters.

Well, Chris Sims is brilliant. Oh, and same with Franco Tarasano, right? Like together, they break down the numbers immensely well. But, I mean, it takes more than that. That's just like the tip of the iceberg. They're just showing Canadians, like, this is what's going to happen. And this is where fuel is going, right? This is what's going.

And we have to, you know, we have to prepare. We have to, you know, we should have already been preparing, right? But there's still time. There's always time. There's always a little bit. The thing is, here's the thing. Well, firstly, I said this last time I was here too, because I think Chris Sims had just been on again just before I'd been on maybe a couple weeks or a month or whatever it was.

And I think it was just after I'd, you'd held one of your events in Emmington that I was at and she was there on stage. Like, she's a, she can. explain things in a way that somebody like I can understand, you know. And I can understand. And in about six minutes, maybe three. Exactly. Which is like a superpower.

Because most people's attention spans, including mine, is like, okay, right? That's why Donald Best is so fascinating because he took an hour and 40 minutes where he, you know, he's just slow and monotonous and he just lays it out for you. And you're like, most people can't do that. Most people need it in bite size format. He, he, his OCD, I bet from that he developed over years of being an investigator. Like, he talked with having cases with a million documents. Dude, I can't find a password to my fucking email half the time.

Like, I think I'm a champ when I, like, crack my email open. I'm a hacker, you know, like. How was your day? Well, I cracked my email today. I'm feeling pretty dang game. I'm pretty smart, you know, like, but this guy, you know, million documents. Are you kidding me? Like, I don't even know where you begin.

But he says he has a, you remember. He has a system. He has a system. I'm like, I bet you do. And you bet he, yeah, I bet he does. You know. But you get into this where we're heading and we talked about being prepared. People will not prepare or start or never start preparing because I think it's too late.

And look, there's different things you prepare for. The ones you're, you know, your financial future and success and all these kinds of things. And that's a whole, you don't want to take Chuck advice when it comes to that. I've, I'm very fortunate. I'm just over 50. I'm retired. But I took risks and I made things happen that aren't available to people now. I flipped properties.

I've invested in things. I've, you know, I have a military pension. But like you say, it's never too late to start. It isn't. I mean,

they talk about, I mean, take Jordan Peterson, for example, right? Certainly, it wasn't like he, he,

he wasn't like he, he, he wasn't. lecturing and everything else, but like his rise to fame, if you would, comes at a late stage in his life or later than some, right? Not everybody's Justin Bieber and at 14. And I don't even know if you want that, to be honest. No, but you look at Jordan Peters is a great example. Had he reached his notoriety any earlier than he did, I think timing in life has a lot to do with things, whether it's fate or whatever. I don't think mentally he would have handled it. Well, he almost

didn't handle it at the stage of his life he was at. Exactly. Exactly. Right. Like, listen to him, talk about his health and how big of a, like, you know, and going to Russia and all these different things and being, you know, on and on it goes. And you're like, who, fucking Putin. Yeah. It's just, he's an interesting dude like Jordan Peterson and him having to, him, the, the court's telling him that he's got to go take reeducation, social media reeducation. Like, it's mandated now if he's not to lose his license. who's going to educate Jordan Peterson. Find me a dude smarter than that.

Like find me someone. And you're going to sit, you know, and the worst part of this is, which I, which I think was it Donald Best talked about this. It's an open ended fine basically. So there's no like you have to do six hours and you're done. If those people teaching them aren't happy with his. Which they won't be. Which they won't be.

Like just, just extrapolate this to your back in the prison system. Mm-hmm. And you got somebody that just won't stop. Are you, you, you can push that for a long time. Oh yeah. Yeah. Dude, I've seen it. I've seen it where guys.

So jail is different than prison jail is where you're not sentenced yet. You're waiting to go in and stuff like that. So that's remand. Remand. Yeah. I did, so I worked two years at the fort, which is a sentence place. And yeah, there were some hands on issues there. That's always going to happen when you have, you know, mixing people.

But they're all sentenced. So they all, they're all, they're all, like I got eight months, whatever I can write eight months. The fort resort for a name for a reason, right? It's a easy going prison. Or yeah, you go to the remand and it's a dungeon. Even the new one that I worked at, it was a dungeon. Like I mean, it was.

Can you tell me, um, I want to, I kind of want to, because I think that, you know, knowing your background, you have a really interesting insight on like coots and even the people from the convoys. So Tamara Leach, Pack King, all these different people who went into like these really strange places for the crime they've committed. Yes. Yeah. But for the listener, for myself, you say jail and prison, two different things.

Can you explain that? And how remand fits in with it? Because now all, you know, I swear I'd never heard of remand before like a year ago, folks. Yes, I live under a rock. Now that's all I hear. And then I butcher it and I say, and I want to really get my terms correct here. So remand centers or jails are like, you're not. sentence. You're waiting to go to court or you're, you, for some reason, they've denied your bail,

or that you've broken bail so many times, they've actually decided to keep you in. So if I use the word term jail, you actually haven't been convicted of anything yet. Typically, typically, there's always exceptions to these rules for sure. But prison is like you went to Drumheller. So is that why they, why did they call it a remand center, do you know? Because you're on remand. So you've been remanded on a charge. Oh, basically. So your charges are in, you've been remanded. handed on these charges. Okay.

You confined, basically confined. And then if you're convicted, you go to prison and that's like, I don't know. Prison isn't fun. It's not funny either, depending on where you go like drum hell or bad place, grand, there's, we have some pretty rough prisons in Canada, some notorious ones. But if you're doing two years less a day, you go to a provincial one, provincial corrections versus federal corrections.

So provincial corrections is two years less a day, which, you know, you did, uh, you did, uh, you did some burglary or some stole a car or two or whatever that and you actually get a sentence like which in Canada is a big deal you might get you big with your time served in remand which counts as like extra time so a lot of a lot of cons are savvy and they'll do extra time the delay their proceedings as long as they can and get days and a day and a half to every day you know credited and then they'll they'll go day and a half to every day credited if you're in in remand? Typically, yeah. I mean, not always. If you're in certain spots like SEG, they will. Like the max pod units, they will. They, I think they still now they have to apply for it or did that change? I forget. I'd have to look that up. But they take their time in remand and that counts to obviously towards their other sentence. So that all gets chopped apart. And then they'll do like three or four months in remand, which most of them don't really care about. And then they're like, well, now I've got to go to the fort, you know, or

wherever they're going, but usually here where we are at the fort. And they'll do three or four months there and they'll get out. And then they'll just repeat the cycle. Like it doesn't fix anything. A recidivism in Canada would have to be 90 plus percent. You know, you're not sending me and you and we learned our lesson because we made a boo-boo. And I've seen that. I've seen it a couple times where a dude just was a normal guy walking a life, made a boo-boo, wound up in there for like six months. He was like, are you cured? You're not going to be a hardened criminal. He's like, no.

Like he just, it happens. It doesn't happen often. But, uh, yeah. So these coots guys, what are they in like 560 plus days? Well, when I interviewed, uh, Granny Mackay, it had been 555 days at that point. So, you know, we're over 560 now, maybe closing in on 570. Mm-hmm. So, so these guys who, from what I understand, don't have a criminal record, any of them.

And even if they, did I rarely and I'm talking murderers robbers like like heavy heavy crimes rarely saw them get denied bail rarely now if they had a history of breaking bail when they were out like weapons charge even then the judge would be like well I'm giving you one more chance mr. so-and-so and dude would go out with a bunch of you know conditions the conditions on his release like no cell phone no you know associating with so-and-so no social media no you've got to be home by six every night all these conditions you have to live at this address so what they'll do

is they'll always these guys will always have somebody an aunt an uncle a parent a friend somebody who's actually a stand-up citizen and that person will come in on bail day and say they're living at my house this is my address so because the cops got a check on them They'll burn through that list of people over time and eventually they won't have a relative or a friend or associate that'll do that for them. But you know, you go through your life. You probably have a dozen people that would for you, a dozen people for me that would. Anyway. That's a lot of time. It's a lot of time.

Right. That's a lot of. Anyways. So these guys will have somebody stand up for them say they're living at my house. They'll all get out. Now you don't think that you couldn't do that for the Coots for you, you know, they're not going to get bail without. with nothing. Are you kidding me? That's political prisoner. That that's, they are political prisoners. My guess is they're going to make them sit in there for as long as

humanly possible. They're not going to have the case they need to put together. And Donald Best brought it up very well when they, he talked with the RCMP staged photos. Like anybody that watches CSI or even, I'm not saying these shows are, you know, technically always correct. I'm just saying even to the lay person, me and you and your audience, who knows anything about, you know, continuity of evidence and you don't stage all this stuff for like super troopers, you know, taking your super trooper pictures here. This is funny. It's funny. Now that I look at that photo, I'm like, it's kind of like super troopers, right? Like, where does a cough smile and in the front with shotguns? Guns up. Yeah. It's ridiculous. It is completely staged. I'm not saying I don't know what the evidence is either which way, but I would guess that they're going to eventually either. condition them out, plead them out to something very low, like you were, you had bad thoughts.

You know, you were thinking you had wrong thing. You had wrong think of some sort and then they'll let them out and these poor buggers will have done two years or so. Like I know legitimately know murderers who've done two, three years and pled out where they were going up for, you know, heavy murder. They like they murdered the dude. They put it down to like a manslaughter. Dude's out in two years, three years.

I had one guy. I held for two and a half years on Max, in for murder, got sentenced to a couple, did like nine months, like actual prison, like real prison time. Got out, stabbed up, killed his brother. And he was out, he was back on my Mac's pod. And I'm like, I didn't even know you're out of that prison and you're back in. I'm like, what'd you do? He's just killed my brother. I'm like, holy shit.

Like, there's just no, there's no, there's no equation here. There's no balance to this at all. You know what I'm saying? And the other thing that, that Donald brought up that I thought found interesting, I hadn't really thought of because the picture, when that picture came out, everybody I knew was looking at that picture going, this is some stage shit. Like, this is some stage, this is staged. He brought up the fact that they didn't microphone up.

They didn't mic up and get audio. Because I'll tell you what, they, they can. turn your phone on. They're probably listening to straighten out, Chuck. I have no doubt. I mean, you look at what they did to Tucker Carlson, where they... After I talked to Byron Christopher. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he talks about, you know, not CISS, but you get the point. Living next to him when he's investigating the oil company, and I'm spacing on the name right now, not that it matters too much to the story. Go back and listen to Byron and tell it. Yeah. And he's like, you know, he's got CIS or whatever, the group of Canadian intelligence living beside him. like, so everything's being listened to, right?

Like, I mean, it's easier than ever now. Like, I mean, phone, everything. Like, it's just like, it's like, you're not getting away from this. Well, you look at Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson and Signal. Signal. Right? Him talking about going to interview Putin.

And he's like, and getting the phone call. It's like, yeah, we're lying to ourselves, folks. If you are at all speaking out at all. Your friends, friends go, well, I use proton mail. Like, great, there's nothing they can't. guys. So I mean, just be smart about what you're, be smart, you know. Um, but even the Tucker thing, don't they need a warrant to do that? Like what in what world would they have the right to crack it? It's one thing that they can crack signal. Because I

know me, everybody I know that has is like, oh, we just talk on this truck. We're safe. I'm like, no, dude, don't put nothing on there. And I go and when we're face to face, all this stuff goes in a Faraday bag. Like, you know, it's, there's precautions you can take. and I recommend people look into those and take them when they're, if they're thinking, having wrong think. I mean, pretty much everything these days is wrong thing. But anyway, with that, yeah. But these Coots guys, when Donald Bess brought up, well, where's the audio to this?

Because any other case, you want to believe the police would be leaking audio. And like, they have a very interesting way that they will leak things because they want to sway the opinion, right? They want to get it out there. And that happens with all these things. Um, there's nothing been leaked. Nothing, nothing been leaked because there is nothing to this. They, they got, if they had audio, it would be out there. You want to believe it would be out there. These four guys are political prisoners. It's funny. I, you know, I don't know what it is, like, because they're, they're in our dang profits, right? So I sit here and you know, you, you, you commit me for everything I'm doing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go, and I haven't

talked about the coots for. for 555 days, right? That's when Granny Mackay comes up. So as good a job as I'm doing, I'm not doing that good a job, right? I looked at it. I remember, well, I don't know. Talk about this enough now that Ottawa shook me up in different ways. Yeah.

But certainly when I heard conspiracy to commit murder, I just, I don't know if I just, I'm trying to recall why I didn't look harder at it. Because I look, I've looked pretty hard at a lot of different things, but the Coots 4. You just kind of went, and it just kind of somehow, like, magic wand disappeared into the periphery and nobody was talking about it. And then getting Granny Mackay on and then Jason Levine and then Donald Best. Now it's like at the forefront. I'm like, this is, you know, like, and I have to commend my listeners here. Because every time I'd interview like Amo Lago up front swan, it sticks out because he'd been in prison, no, in jail for 100 plus days. Canadian activist from Cambodia, I want to say.

Oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And I was saying, I'm like, holy man, I can't believe somebody in Canada has been locked up that lot. And then somebody texts, don't forget the coups for it. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know why I'm doing that. And then the next one, come on, I'm like, I can't believe they've been locked up. And then somebody texts, don't forget the coups for it. And I'm like, right, why am I? Because as far as the news cycle goes, they're not talked about that much.

At all. Tamara Litch and the couple of the others, like Bart, they're, they're, they're, they're, Their names are just bigger and out there more often for some reason. I don't know what it is. I'm not sure what it is. They're kind of the voices of the confluence, right? True. Chris Barber is, I don't know, he's Paul Bunyan, you know?

He's like this larger-lain-life guy that admits, you know, I wasn't perfect, correct in what I said and everything else and goes and is soft-spoken and just, you know, but, I mean, they can't attack him on a bunch of things. I mean, the guy's freaking vaccinated for Pete's sake, right? It's just, you know, and then Tamara Leach is this small little lady who says, you know, we're going to win by love and we love you all. And they just bury her for it. It's this tiny little woman, you know, and you're like, eh, you know.

And then, of course, Pat King, I think is the third one. Yes. And he's the outspoken guy that I think if you're on, if you aren't, you know, even people that believe in the Freedom Convoy, he'll be like, I don't know about Pat King. And the reason why is because Pat King says a lot of different things that a lot of people disagree with. But overall, he went to Canada or went to Ottawa for everyone and to try and get mandates pulled and everything else. And you've got to commend them for that. So like those three, whether it's blown up by the media or just our media focal points.

Coots 4. When I look at it, I'm like, they played a masterful game to this point by somehow getting us all to forget about it. And not everybody because obviously there's. in people beating the drum about it and trying to keep the, you know, but like I sit here and like, it's in my home province and I keep looking to the other side of Canada for some reason, but I just got to turn around and go like, what are we going to do about this? But the conspiracy to commit murder really, for some reason, back me off. And that's the only thing I can think of because now when I look at the photo, I'm like, yeah,

I did, yeah, like I, but it's funny. It's just the, the propaganda. Yes. They're smart with it. Like, I mean, like, give him credit. I'm not giving him credit, but like, give us all a little bit of credit. When Donald Best is saying, you know, like, I've been in this 40 years, I looked at it, and went, yeah, lock him up, you know, and then he gets looking into it and goes, oh, man, you know.

And that's a guy who sniffs out dirty cops and dirty stories. And that's the initial reaction they wanted us to have. And I can't remember if Donald talked to with that or not. But that's what they intended with that picture. They wanted, you know, those of us who were, you know, convoy supporters, to say, well, yeah, we support the convoy, but we weren't looking to kill no one. You know, like, look at all these guns. Dude, you'd walk into 75% of an Albertan's home and find a gun collection, you know,

in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. You're going to find a gun collection of legally owned firearms of some sort, you know. So would they display all these shotguns and all these things on a table like super troopers? And I think if memory serves me correct, body armor, right? And things like that. In my mind, you know what the body armor does? It just immediately that they had been, what's the word I'm looking for? Preparing.

Preparing and like forethought of what they were going to do. That's what body armor does. And I'm like, it's just, it's interesting to me because there had to have been thought of what went in to just, don't throw 14 guns out there. We've got to throw 14 guns and body. and body armor. But I got to look at the picture again at some point and see if it's body armor, like if there's, were there actually plates in there?

Or is it just a chest rig? This is the thing through, they'll use language like body armor and it's just a cloth chest rig. You know, there's nothing in it. Now there are legal ways you can acquire body armor. There's a number of them. There's a,

well, there's a few different ways you can get it. But the body armor, surprisingly, will actually, if they had illegal body armor will be a bigger charge in some ways than the weapons in its own backwards world way that we have here

it is what it is but these guys Chuck you're going to take your headphones off I would love to switch I wish I one of the things we're going to eventually do is we're going to have it so it can be shown on TV very rogan absolutely but you're going to take your phones off because I pulled up the picture and I want you to take a look at it and then because you can see it now come all the way around

for the listener we pulled up the picture just so he can those are plate carriers but you can't tell what they're plates in there are not and I don't see any plates that they just so these are called plate carriers that you can

you can buy them at any supply store what goes in them the actual armor is the illegal part but they don't come with armor so yeah you can't really tell from the pitcher. They are plate carriers, but...

There, I've pulled it up on the screen for anyone watching or it should be coming up. We're just, we're talking... Should have done that before, but we're talking about the body armor or I don't... You're calling them plate carriers. You know what's funny, if you use the word plate carrier, I don't even, nothing even registers with me.

Body armor, I'm like, I know exactly what that's for. Because that's the... That's the... Well, right, but that's, to me, that's like, it's kind of like, I don't know. It just feels like such forethought, you know? It does, but here's the thing. In my world, I don't know anybody that doesn't have a plate carrier.

Nobody's got body armor. This stuff. But it's funny, in my world, I go like, I know a ton of people that have guns and maybe even gun collections. But I don't know if anyone going, oh, yeah, and I got body armor. Or plate carriers. But plate carriers, see, with the world that I'm from, this is just a normal thing. It's either leftover from their time in or they like the, they like bougie gear,

so they'll see something from tactical tailor or which anybody can go by. Like, this is just. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's funny, like when you go like, think to the regular civilian, you know, that hasn't, you know, body armor feels premeditated. It feels like, boom.

And actually, when I look back at that picture, like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong on this. But it's like, it almost looks like brand new, you know? Like there's no, when I looked at the picture, it didn't see any like. It wasn't worn. It didn't look worn. No. No.

Could have been Bob, you know, it's, now we're getting in all the speculation stuff. But I just, I go like body armor elicits an emotion out of me right way. Like premeditation, a little bit of like, oh. Well, and for the listener, like a plate carrier doesn't need the plates in it. If you want to not get shot or survive a shot, you do need a plate. There's a variety of different types you can acquire that the different militaries use and forces use. They're out there that they could put in there, but it doesn't we don't know if they're in there. Now, if the cops had pulled plates out and put them on the table beside them, I'd say, okay, you know, we talked about watching Covenant last time.

I think I was on that that military movie. And for me watching, I always watch to see when they're wearing plate carriers, because they're all wearing plate carriers. Did they put anything in? The actual plate. Because you can see how it folds up when there's nothing in it. It just looks from a technical perspective for. So in Covenant, did they have plates in? A couple did.

A couple did. Now I doubt they're using plates because you can see how they're moving. If you're putting, you know, 15 pound, 15 pound plate front, 15 pound plate back, plus all the gear which would weigh about 80 pounds, a human moves differently than they do in the movies. One thing they did in like saving Private Ryan, now that they're, They didn't have plate carriers. They had webbing because it's World War II. But they weighed them down with like 40 pounds of they, they, they, they weighed them down.

And you can see when they're moving, they're like, always shuffling their shoulders. And that's part of the, they wanted it to have that feel. And they did. And you see it in a very few movies where you'll see guys kind of being like, man, because when you've worn 80 pounds of gear for a while, you're like, oh. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Everything hurts. In these movies, they typically don't.

They don't put the stuff in. So you'll see them do something and the whole thing will accordion, and you're like, you couldn't even do that. Like, you couldn't do that. So I always go, like, I can't remember if I said this is Donald or not, but this is the thought that always comes. I'm like, okay, you run a big giant conspiracy so you can get, you know, you frame four guys.

Okay, let's just, let's just play this out for a second. Mm-hmm. You frame four guys so you can get the Emergency Act in so you can get the people out of Ottawa. Yep. Boom, boom, boom. Nice little thing. So you're that smart that you're like, we're going to use all these things.

We're going to use trigger words. We're going to use body armor. We're going to do that. But you're dumb enough to not know the little details of like what will actually get the, it's like we're going to sell it to the people who know better. But to the people who know better, they're going to see it and be like, that makes zero sense.

And I guess once upon a time when you didn't have formats like this, it would go unchecked and it would just keep. carry on and people would grumble, but they just carry on because the majority of the population doesn't have your background. So when you say you play carriers, I'm like, I would tell you said that. I'm like, I had no fucking clue. Like, I mean, I guess I kind of, but I would have never caught that. I wouldn't,

I'd look at that and I go, the thing it stands out to me is like, it looks brand new. It looks like it's, you know, like, the one thing that stuck out in me to Ottawa, I'm, like, I've got to be like 98% positive. Do I know for sure? I don't. It was an undercover Cobb. Oh, 100% you had them. Well, 100% I had them. But I'm like,

I'm pretty sure I picked one out. And why? Because everything was brand new. Everything was clean. And we were a dirty-looking sword in the sense of nobody had shaved. Nobody, like, we probably all stunk. Like, I could just imagine, right? Like, everybody's tired and stressed and everything on.

And then in walks this guy that's a clean cut. He looks like a cop. It's almost right out of the movie where it's like, you look like a cop. It's like they went, holy crap, you should get down on this hotel. We heard some things. Okay, what do I need? Go to the store and get yourself a jacket. It's got some reflective panels on it.

Yeah, we've seen lots of. Okay, yeah, and look the part. Okay. And then you walk in and it's like, but you should have maybe scrubbed it up to make it look like you'd been on the road for a while. And maybe don't send the guy that's clean shaven because he stands out like a dirty, you know, a dirty shirt.

It's just like, yeah. So when I come back to all this, it's like they're super smart. They're Uber smart. But there's no stupid that they leave out all these little details. Like, if you were actually catching all of this, you would have the tapes. You would. Yes.

You would not group all. the evidence in one big hoo-ha because you actually contaminated it all. Yeah. And I mean, and you go on and on and on. So if these four guys each have their own lawyer and I'm sure they must because that's what smart people do, um, their lawyer, my lawyer is going to say to your lawyer, well, his shit's contaminated, this is going to get tossed. And your lawyer, you're the other defense lawyer.

You're going to say that to the other three lawyers. Like, yeah, it's all contaminated. It's all getting tossed. You're not being adversarial with each other. You're just saying, none of this has. evidence is good now. I haven't seen disclosure. I don't know if disclosure has been made public or anything like that yet. There's a certain point where people can grab disclosure about what they actually have. Um, but I'd be curious to see if there were actual plates. Like, and I'm talking plate, like, I'm talking like there's ceramics. There's metal AR 500 metal that are basically target plates, you know, um, there's different types. It's the stuff that goes in the fancy looking carrier. I'd be curious to see if they had it. I'm curious why they wouldn't have pulled those out and put them out if they didn't have it.

Because that's something, um, some of the biggest charges I saw in corrections were guys who had body armor. It's a big deal. It is a big deal. Like, well, it's why the word and the, the image of it evokes such emotion. It does. Yeah. Right. It does.

Body armor, you think, honestly, folks, you know what comes immediately to mind is school shootings. Because a lot of those, um, um, um, They prepare. They prepare. And they know they're going to have cops come and try and take them down. So what do they do? They put body armor on. They're loaded up with all these different things.

So they're trying to be impervious. Yeah. Because they know nobody's just, well, eventually people are going to come. And so it's just like that's what comes to mind. And if I'm learning anything on this bloody thing is like, and they've been doing studies for a long time. I'm listening to Operation Paperclip. Yeah. Annie Jacobson.

Man, that's a, that's a tough. Not a tough. It's a fascinating book. It's also like a disturbing book. Yeah. You know, and that's 1945. You know, like we're almost 100 years past that at this point. And they were doing shady, shady, shady, shady stuff back then.

Well, they'd started the MK Ultra stuff way back. Well, not quite that late ago. But I mean, all those kinds of... Well, I was, like, the chapter I'm on, they're talking, they're investigating war crimes. So they're over in Germany. And they're talking about, you know, these scientists are talking about, that they did these tests to see if they could revive animals from freezing to death to bring them back life.

And the one scientist, you know, in the investigation, he's investigating, is saying, oh, yeah, we had all this miraculous stuff come back and whatever. And like, yeah, we've got all these things, you know, found ways to pull people back from freezing to death essentially, right? And the deeper the guy digs, he sees that they labeled all these things as like, big pigs and animals and it's human beings that they were doing it too and they were doing it to specific

you know not just jews but different the russians took a lot of right that yeah and you man like it it's a tough book to read like it's it's it's fascinating in a way because you you know you're you're reading it and you're like huh like this is this is tough this is but like i mean this is the u.s. government investigating these guys who eventually come and become and become I'm part of the U.S. for freak's sakes. Oh, yeah. That's a whole, you could spend a spectrum of time on that. Well, I'm hoping I can get Annie Jacobson on.

Wow. That's what I'm working on, right? Good for you. Well, I mean. Hopefully. Hopefully. You know, going back to the Coots for a thing, I really, I think at some point, and I don't know what the tipping point for it is, I don't have that Oracle sense about it.

It will get pled out. I would be shocked if the government wants this to go to court because disclosure is a real double-edged sword. Once they give all that stuff, and at some point I'm sure they have this amount of time they would have had to be. Well, the envelope, right? Like what's in the envelope?

Yeah, what's in the envelope? Sorry, I keep cutting you on. No, no, no, no. That's a great point, though, this envelope. I mean, I don't know. But at some point, they don't. want this to go to court because this will be you it's like the guys in the army when they're like well I'll fucking take the court martial because we're gonna bring it

all to like then you know what do I got to lose and that's why guys will go to a court marshal instead of just taking the you know we used to call it March the guilty bastardard in when you got charged with something you know I got dinged up a couple times for like insubordination or what a couple of other you know might have gotten a tussle here there and they're like oh ding him up with a one two nine used to be the catch all for like conduct unbecoming. So they'd get a little ding. You'd come in in front of your commanding officer and they'd give you like seven days

of confined to barracks and you're gonna do extra duties doing this or that. You know, it was normal. Like everybody got dinged up for something. That was just normal. First time it happened to you, I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, the world's ending and then you realize it's not. I'm like 18 years old. I'm like, what do I'm like, dude, like this is just, you're gonna get dinged up all

the time. So it's like if you're not doing it right if you're not getting in trouble. I'm like, oh, okay. I was in trouble a fair bit. So I was doing something right. But you know, you see somebody saw it a couple times in the military where dude's like, I'll take the court marshal. Like it has to be a fairly significant charge to do that. But um, you have the option. And guys will be like, yeah, I'm going to take the court martial because we're going to bring this all out. And I saw that a couple times. And you would then see the, the system be like, Well, I don't really want the court marshal. Can somebody talk to this guy?

You know, we'll work something out. And so I have that inclination with this as well. Like you think they're going to plea at this point in time. I think we can all sit here and think that we'd be okay mentally after 560, 70 days. I can tell you you won't be. And these guys are away from their families, their homes, their whole life is upside down. Who knows what they've lost financially? friend-wise, family-wise.

Are you surprised that they haven't buckled under, you know, when you go back to, you know, Donald Best, 63 days. Yeah. I mean, these aren't solitary confinement, but at the same time, they've all taken stints in solitary confinement. They're all sitting in remand for a crazy amount of time where they know the entire, by now they understand the entire,

you know, system, the machine is working against them. They're not, you know, like, are you surprised at how, you know, the, you know, like, my get my only guess is that they haven't been offered something workable yet. Um, after this amount of time, I've never, they even do process. Like you would, I would hear judges ream on about this. He's been in remand for, I did a little stint working in, uh, video court. So I saw a lot of, you know, day to day action of inmates going in front of. of a judge in a little phone booth, you know, a little bigger than this, but, you know, little video screen, it's because you don't have to transport them all the time.

And the judges would be like, I can't believe this inmate's been in there for four days. And this is the first time they're, you know, here to see bail. Like, this is a travesty and we man center. I don't know what you're doing. Like remand center doesn't set their court date buds. And then judges know this, but they like to get on their pulpit and do their thing. And that's what they do. And, um, you would see some inmate who. had done heinous crimes and the judge would be just shitting on lawyers, shitting on remand staff about how this poor inmate has been left in remand for 22 whole days. Are you kidding me? There's no judge out there looking at these four guys saying they've been in there for close on two years now. We're we're approaching that part where you can say almost two years and nothing. There's no there's no advocate for them. Where's that? You talk Donald Best

talking about these dirty judges. I mean, not even him. In the news it dropped last week that there was pay to play for these judges getting appointed judge ships through the Trudeau government. It's so dirty. It's, I'm not saying all of them are bad. I'm not, you can't paint any profession like that. You can't.

No, no, no, no, but, but, what was it? Like, no matter what in any profession, there's going to be 1%? 100%. And, right? Like, I mean, if 1% can figure out that, if, hey, if I just pay and I get the, at the spot. What does it matter? What does it matter?

Nobody's going to come after them. Who's going to come after them? Another judge? A Donald Best? You're just going to lock a Donald Best up now. Like that set of precedent. Don't tell me that there weren't investigators going out there. Like, he was like, Donald Best from all I can tell would seem to be pretty good at

what he did. He had the recordings he made, but that alone. It blew me away that he had recordings of these lawyers saying what they were going to do to him. And it still wasn't enough. Are you kidding me? Like this is what should concern people, you know, and don't think it's not coming again. They're already floating new viruses.

They're already floating this, you know, in this, look at this. Our media is so good at going, look in this obscure school in the States, they've implemented masking again. Should we implement masking again? They're having that conversation to prime people for it again. It's funny. I don't spend a ton of time. I mean, of course. I used to be annoyed

so twos will be less and less I used to be annoyed when twos wouldn't uh you know there'd be something about COVID I'm like well let's talk about on the mashroom it's the news headline like I'm done talking about that they used to annoy me now I'm like I really respect what he does there because it's like

you know like they're talking about this what is what's the name Osiris or whatever the heck they're calling it right and you know everybody's on them freaking out and it's like well you only freak out if you know about it because I don't know Jack Squad about it And we don't talk about it on the mashup because at this point, who gives you shit? Yeah.

If they bring masks back in, I ain't wearing one. No. And I would hope that there's going to be a ton of people right there. I don't need to go run around freaking out. And I'm just not wearing one. I think, I think this time around when they try it, and this is where I'll leave it, because I hate talking about COVID as well. I hate it.

It's so done is that people felt alone last time. You know, like, we've talked about this before. you've had tons of guests say the same thing. We all felt a little alone. And we were one way or the other, we were all a little isolated. And we're all kind of like, I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to all these factors, right? I everybody this time around is like, bring it on.

Bring it on. It's not. And you realize if you lose your job, I can, I can point you to like a whole ton of companies here in Lloyd Minster alone that would gladly, gladly have somebody that's, you know, thinking for themselves and wants to come and just earn a paycheck and not be, indoctrinated by their company and everything else, just wants to go to work. The whistle stop owner, was it the other day? Chris Scott, yeah.

He just won his or had it stayed or dropped. I don't remember which. Either way, he's basically won it. That alone should give companies and businesses the backbone they need to say, I'm just going to do my thing. You're not telling me to shut down. You know, you're not telling me to implement these useless rules. And that should be enough for people to stand up this time.

I'll tell you what it better be or we're done. You know, like, but I really feel like reading the tempo of my friends and family and the people I'm run into, they're like, no, not doing it this. No. And I'm talking like this older lady who works at the dollar store in my town in Warrenville. She's, the funny thing is she's like completely tatted up. She's got to be 70. And then, you know, just sleeve right up. And she's living her best life, doing her thing, happy every time I'm in the dollar store.

I love the dollar store. And I forget, she was joking with one of the other people. in the lineup about, you know, we're not going to mask up in this time. And she's got to be, you know, she's just this little old rebel. And she's like, well, fucking doing it at this time. I'll tell you that. And I'm like, you hear it, you know, because people are starting to see it dripped into the news feed a little bit here.

Well, you, you assume, you know, if I'm taking a step back, what they're doing, is they're just testing the population, seeing, see what happens. Yeah. See, just, you know, kind of like how they poll every freaking second day and run these polls and trying it's like I could give two shits about the polls you know and yet our entire country runs off the polls you know like it's you know that's that's that's that's that's gonna guide us through and I don't think I should have a shotgun like fuck off Toronto like I don't care what you think I don't much you know honestly so this

COVID thing you know like is it's it's like should we be talking more about it just to be like listen I don't you know even if you know it's just like that No, I just, sure, it's out there. And sure that it's, a ton of people are worried that we're walking back into flu season. I think we can all agree on that. School. Yeah. And so you go like, are they going to, are they going to push something?

Yeah, maybe. Remember when, well, your kids are younger, minor in their 20s now, but it would always be like, well, September, we're all going to have the flu again. That was. Well, it is a thing. It is a thing. There is a reason why it's flu season. So when I look at this pragmatically, I go. flu season is coming, people are going to get sick.

Is there going to be a new flu of whatever origin and whatever else that could be rough, possibly? It's possible, right? So take care of yourself. Prepare for that. Get some, you know, there's different vitamins and different supplements that you can get that help. I heard horse paste is great. Like, I'm with you, though, dude. Like, people just need to take a little bit of self-care.

and not freak out. I was on a call the other day with, you know, like Wayne Peters, who's been on here, What's Up Canada, he's got LGM. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. LGM News. Ted Coons was a guy out of Colonna, who's, I think, vaccine choice Canada. I hope I'm right on that, folks. And the other one was Sean Buckley, who's going to be coming on here.

He's the lawyer talking about the supplement. and the bill's going through that. Oh, yeah. And one of the things I was saying is I'm like, man, you don't want to be interesting for just me is like a calendar of big dates coming up in Canada because there's going to be big court cases or there's going to be big like, hey, they're trying to push through this bill. They're trying to.

And if I could sit there and see that, I'd be like, oh, we should talk about, we should talk about Coots. I mean, they're in prison or not in prison. They're court cases, these dates. And we should really plan on leading. Not only myself, but the audience, like, hey, we should pay attention what's going on there. You put a whiteboard up with a war wall. And you, you, you do, you put a war wall up and say this, Sean Newman needs to talk about.

So somebody out there, somebody out there is like, there is one. Or it's like, we should create that. And a war wall. You need a physical one. Not a, not a, we all ignore digital. We all, we all put in our notes that I'm going to buy butter when I go to the store. Dude, I've gone like three days with a fucking butter. Like it's, you need to put it on a.

you know, three or four days. So anyway, I got to get butter on the way home. But the main, you need to see a visual. We're all visual. you need to see a visual.

We're all visual. We're all right here. Look at your in here. I don't know how it feels great to me in. No, no, the war wall. You need a war wall. You need whatever you want it to look like, a whiteboard or some fancier

version of... Here's a question for you. On a completely side note. A war wall. I agree with that. Somebody if they're listening, they probably have thoughts on this prior to know. I was... So, one, I never thought I'd be happy to see Bud Light in the studio. Oh, dude, yeah.

Bud Light Memorial Employee of the Monchon, and Tuesday mashup. Well done, too. It's a nice cock. But I tell you what happened, the rooster in the studio feels perfect. And as I mentioned, Dale Wilker, are going to be drawn me up the rooster in the ring like I'm excited for that I'm actually really excited for that um well this is a second home to you in a way so it's well I spend more time here than probably anywhere

else well this this needs to feel like a home to you you this is your this is your battlefield or your rink or whatever you want to think of it in your own head as but this is where you're one of the things I was I was I've complained about a lot I don't know if on air but I'm like there's no windows right and I just you get star crazy in here but you put a curtain up and you put some stuff on an awesome feeling you're like oh this feels because you can't see you out yeah right you're almost like this this feels good no you did this is this is a great start like really good you know and I don't know if people never see your entry wall or it's like you know but the entry wall even if I put a picture up they're like you know oh yeah that's a nice quote but you know what I've said this

many times to you Canada doesn't have a rogan but I think that you you're to me I'm building towards it that you're in my mind you're trending that way

I don't think you can ever ever ever be a rogan there's only ever one Wayne Gerexki there's only ever one Muhammad Ali there's only ever one

Michael Jordan but in saying that if you look at those collective sports you know in hockey there's certainly you know

like my favorite player of like my age group has been Cindy Crosby. It's been like insane to still watch him play at the level. Now is he Wayne Graskey? No, but he's Sidney fucking Crosby. We can all say it.

And in boxing, you know, no, do I love everything personally about Floyd Mayweather? Sure, okay, we can argue about a lot of different things. But I mean, still Floyd freaking Mayweather. Yeah. And that guy, you know, is, and I'm sure there's other boxers, you know, and et cetera, et et cetera. In basketball, I mean, like, LeBron James. Like, I mean, come on.

Like, you got... Michael Jordan, who, you know, arguably greatest all time. But you still got LeBron James, who's, like, commanded more respect in that sport than just about anyone, right? So, like, when it comes to Joe Rogan, he's paved the way. He's showing the way. Well, would you say he had, like, 2,000 shows now, I think? Oh, yeah, this episode. What does he add, folks?

2000, I don't know, 20-something or is it 30-something now? I can't remember. I remember listening to him. I listen to him all the time, but it wasn't that long ago, maybe six months ago he was had a guest on. He said, you know, in my first bunch of episodes, I probably sounded like an idiot. I didn't know how to even have a conversation. Like, you know, the evolution that even he's gone through. He's so, I only listened to the first 10 minutes of the.

Oliver Anthony, Oliver Anthony as I came in here. And then, because I was listening to him talking to Peter Berg, the director, love that guy. He did like Patriots Day and Lone Survivor and all those. He's just a brilliant director. But that was a great episode too. But the Oliver Anthony one, you can tell Oliver Anthony's a little. New. New to it all, right?

But Joe Rogan is like, dude, you just, just brings it out of them naturally without forcing it. Without, and you have the same kind of talent. You know, you've developed that rapport. And we talked about it before rapport is people should feel at ease. Like this isn't an interview. This is a conversation. And that's the best way to bring it out. Well, here's, I think, so Joe, in my entire life.

listening, entire time listening to him and somebody who has listened you know, I, you know, I think, I think, you know, out of his 2000, I've listened to 100. Roughly. Maybe a bit more. I wouldn't think any less. I would think maybe a bit more. Yeah. But that's

kind of where I sit. And I've been very it's one of the things like when people say oh, I haven't listening in a while. It's like, well, I don't listen to Joe Rogan every week. But when he does Oliver Anthony, you best believe it's on the docket for me or Ice Cube or or, you know,

like all these different, and there's, there's tons like that. But he does them all in person. It's one thing that when I first started this, that's the way I started it. Everything was in person. And I think being able to sit across from somebody

and build that and like have people you disagree with, sit in the thing and, and like that, that's not only building how to have a conversation, but to have them all in person. Yeah. And I admire the crap out of that. Yeah.

So to all the people listening, what I'm trying to do here, in Lloyd because I look at it and I go everybody says being in Lloyd you know you should be in a big city and I go I don't want to be in a big city so I have to attract people to come through Lloyd Minster and you'd be surprised people come through Lloyd Minster more

than you'd think well next week by the time this is released it'll be Brett Kissel's in town wow yeah yeah and and fingers crossed knock on wood I'm gonna put it out there but like I'm like this close to having them in this studio and I hope that's what they get to hear is that he's in the studio and you know if it falls off the rails I don't think it's anything on Brad I think it's just you know life and schedules and everything but he should

be in the studio Dave and I met him years ago at the what's the country music festival just outside of Eminton there Big Valley can't draw on a blank on the name of it he was there and we had kind of a behind the scenes little you know yeah thing and it was only for like a minute it's not like he's going oh Chuck yeah He was like, hey, how are you doing? It was like, it was pretty cool, though, you know. So. Well, my hope is, is like, you know, if you're from Alberta, Saskatchewan, one of the other than any of the problems.

In Western Canada, we do things differently than any other else in the world. We look at a five-hour drive and we go, yeah, okay, that's whatever. I want to create something here in Lloyd, and maybe over time, maybe it evolves. Maybe some day I'm in Calgary, or Amington or Saskatoon or maybe. I don't think so. I think this is where my home base is. I just think that. And I want it to be where you're excited to make the two-hour drive to come sit in this studio because, you know, A, it's going to be an interesting conversation.

You enjoy the experience. And then you get the feel of what this is. And certainly, can it evolve and can there be a million dollars thrown into a studio? Certainly. Certainly, they can. It can always be upped. But, like, you know, once upon a time, I won't drop the name, but somebody once told me, Lloyd Minster is the edge of the world. world for them politically and geographically and everything else.

I laugh about that because I'm like, I just disagree. I think there's a lot of smart things that come out of this area. Yeah. I mean, and to make the drive, to have a conversation, if Joe Rogan get people to fly across the world, to go sit with him, and I understand how powerful and how influential he is, but in Canada, we don't have it yet. And I'm hoping I'm building it that way. I would think so.

And when it comes, I think people will come from all over. I always will come out from all over to sit in, whether it's this room or it's a different studio. You get the point. But I always think of hockey. Nobody will ever come play for the Amminton Oilers. Look at that city or Winnipeg or blah, blah. I'm like, I don't know, Detroit, I don't, from all I've heard, isn't this great city. But if they're in the cup race every year, people will go play there because they want to win.

So people have already shown you in their cards. If they believe there's something of value in a place that maybe not the most ideal or touristy destination, they'll show up. If you build it, they will come. Correct. So I hope what I'm trying to do with something like this is foster that so that people are like, hey, I'm going to go up. Because I've had it. I mean, you've done it multiple times. A buddy yours, James Sinclair, and Henry Sidelitz, they drove four hours.

Marty up north, everybody knows Marty from Twitter. He drove all the way here in the middle of COVID to come sit and do it. this right over and over and over people will do it well and and and you know I think the first time I came out here was the time you had James and I on and I had buddies going like you're driving two and a half hours go do a pot I'm like this is a privilege for me this is like an opportunity to have a discussion like why wouldn't I it's how you know what it's Alberta and where I was working anyway I drove two hours a day driving in Alberta and Saskatchewan I was like that's just part of living living

yeah so now when I come out and they're like oh, you're going out to be with Sean again. I'm like, yeah, they, they, they, I'm excited. It's a privilege to come out here and do this. And I think offering to people like the opportunity to come out, most who view it that way, it's not a chore. It's not some, it's not a job to come out here. I'm, I'm here because I want to be here.

I mean, I love our conversations. I, we never know where they're going to go. Um, well, we've done the full gambit today again. Well, one, you know one thing and it was, it's been on my mind a lot. I didn't know if I'd bring it up because I'll get the swears if I do, but I'm going to bring it up anyway. Sure. Is the Charlie Angus commenting on Twitter about the lady that died because she didn't get the transplant? Sheelyn at Lewis.

And I'll tell you, it takes a fair bit to get my feels going. Like really, I've been through a bunch of my life, so I can control to a degree, especially somebody I didn't even know, you know. His comment that he deleted and then tried to double down on about anti-vaxxer died, good enough, just write it off as that. I'm paraphrasing. For people who are on Twitter, yeah, basically just being like, what's the big deal? What's the big deal? She's an anti-vaxxer. She died.

Had it coming. You know, this is the attitude of the people that try to pretend they have the moral high ground on those of us that are free things. thinking. You know, this woman, again, didn't know her at all other than the story. Yeah, and my, you know, I don't have regrets. I shouldn't say it like that, but talked to her on the phone. And the morning we were supposed to record a podcast, she was feeling unwell. And said, could we reschedule? Like, of course we can. And it just never happened. And so I never got to sit with her. But I talked to her on the phone for, you know, anyways, that's carry on. But it's, very very rarely do I you know I'm on Twitter shit posting all the time I'll you know

sarcastically or in some way that I do and I held I had people going dude go after this guy like you know and I I had to like I couldn't I couldn't because there's nothing there isn't anything that I could say that would be truly represent how low this human is like I hate a few people in the world. Like, you know, people say you're not hating your heart. I mean, it's a powerful weapon if you do, use it right. But I don't spend a lot of time on it because that'll burn you out too. But I've used it as a weapon.

And I'll tell you what, this guy, I don't know if he's got a soul. I don't know if he's just not right in the head. I don't know if the people like him that supported what he said don't have a soul or don't have a, but you have to think that for even if you're a vaxer, you know, what do you want people to think when you have the vaccine injury? You and I both know people with vaccine injuries. I worked for one, you know, young kid, you know, you call him a kid, he's not a kid, but young healthy guy, vaccine injury.

I know several with vaccine injuries. Do I sit there going, huh, you know, good luck we're having a gripper next year, you know, keeling over when you're 39. I don't wish that on anyone. Why do these people feel as justified to preach to everybody else that your choice caused this? They caused this. They did this and that's them deflecting it. That's them deflecting it.

So when this comes around the next time and it's going to remember that and you better use that for fuel folks out there not to comply with those coming. Because this won't, we're going to wind up like London, England. I don't know if you've been following their ULES cameras over there. Basically, they've put up tens of things. London is already the most cammered place, I think, in the world, CCTV-wise. They've added this extra layer in the last few months so that if you leave your home and your vehicle isn't emission friendly, it dings you. I think it's like 15 bucks a time you leave your home.

It's something like that. I, you know, might be getting a couple of these, the numbers wrong. But they've put these things up all across London as like a trial. And I think about 90% of them have been taken down and damaged like broken apart damaged because citizens are like dude this is like this is some real V for Vendetta stuff here like this is where we're heading with the next lockdown. It's not going to be just some neighbor neighbor ratting you out for having a kid's birthday over something like that. It's going to be they won't have to rat you out big brother's going to have the camera on your cul-de-sack or on your street. Don't think it's not coming. It could be coming.

It probably is coming. So when you talk about Sheila, these people already despise you and me. They despised her enough that her death is just a good enough. What percentage of the population do you actually think that is? It's significant enough. It's especially in power right now, unfortunately. Well, maybe in power.

I might give you that. Hardliners, 20%. I mean hard liners. And the scary thing is you only need about 3% of a population to... I think they think they're 20%. Oh, I'd say that there's enough of them. And I would put it close to 20. The problem...

What makes you say that? Why do you think 20? Because you don't get into the power structure. They're running on a program. That's a fair point. That's a fair point. You don't get into power structure if you're 1%. Now, in here in Alberta,

Saskatchewan where we're all kind of live and let live a little easier going, which again, the rest of the world doesn't, the rest of Canada doesn't seem to understand so much. Um, not that there aren't pockets of this throughout the rest of Canada, because obviously there are, but you go to a place, now I have relatives who live around Toronto. They're, they're, you know, country folk, farm folk and they'll go into Toronto. It's a different, it's a two, it's not even the same country. yet this is where the you know the brain trust of Canada comes out of I went to Ottawa a couple times when I was in the military for a couple different

events and I'm from a farm half an hour from Ottawa and I couldn't believe the shift in thinking just being in the city for a week or so doing a few different symposiums and I was like the you're not the center of the world I know that this is where power lays here on Parliament but you know I got to to go to parliament and see some stuff and meet some politicians and do a few handshaking things. And I was like, this isn't the real world. The real world is over there and we're living in it and you're not aware of it. Like, it's enough that we all walk down for two and a half years. Yeah, but yes. I understand that. I understand looking back at COVID and going,

it's enough that we lock down. But I also think, like, once upon a time, I was probably like, yeah, we probably should lock down. And I remember watching the videos of like, this is what a lockdown is supposed to try and do it and mimic it. Like, okay, that may be, and I know the people are awake or listen is going, like, you're sounding an idiot right now. I'm like, I understand, but I was like watching all the stuff. I was, okay, if this is bad. Dude, we all did. If it is as bad as it is, whatever, whatever.

whatever. But today where I sit, I see more and more and more people going like, I ain't going back. No, but what you said. But once again, you go the 20%. I'm like, I don't know. I can't see it being 20%. But you know, it's funny. Like, I've been wrong lots. So I can't see here and see. And again, I don't have a hard number. I'm guessing based on just the metrics that I see. Yeah, one out of five people still is. is still a lot of people. Well,

did you see the video of, uh, uh, the people out in Vancouver, beating up the guy with, with the sign basically saying no more mass, no more law. And,

you know, and you're like, really? But then again, I think about it and I go, Vancouver, I suppose, you know, Lloyd Minster,

if that happened, I'd be like, what? Mm-hmm. You know, like, try that in a small town. Different,

different worlds. But, but, but you talked about the, the mentality of thinking we needed to lock down the week. We all did, dude. We were,

uh, buddy of mine and I were watching this in the opening weeks and seeing like news out of Italy. Italy, for some reason, there's a lot of news coming out of Italy about 60,000 people died this week and we're like, what the fuck kind of virus is this? We better close the border down. Why haven't we closed the border down? Why is the border not closed down? Wait, I can't leave the border, but everybody can come into Canada.

And then that trickle. And I was like immediately on the phone texting and calling a couple of dudes. I know who are still in. I'm like, when are you guys deploying to hospitals and infrastructure and all the stuff? Like, there's a, there's a procedure for Army dudes during these things. Once again, you have this interesting, because you have this interesting insight that most of us don't get, right? Like, I just, I don't, I got a lot of, I tell you what, my phone these days is an interesting group of people. I can just be like, hey, do, do, do, do, do, and find out a lot of different things, you know?

Like, it's, honestly, if I, if I go back five years and see where, you know, if I could see my phone now, I'm like, I don't know, This is rather unique, you know. But in saying all that, when it comes to like world events going on, being able to call up buddies and be like, hey, what's going on in wherever you're at? And when are you deploying to do these things? And they're like, dude, they're sending us home for like four months. And I was like that. Yeah, well, that doesn't compute.

That doesn't compute. That's not one plus one equals two. That's like one plus one equals 12. And you're like, well, what am I missing? here. Well, when there's a fire to fight, we would go, I've been to BC to fight fire, they're out there, I don't know if they're still out there, but buddies of mine were out there recently

doing the fire thing where I've gone across the country to fight ice storms. I've been to Manitoba to do the floods back in Oh man, really? Was it 97, 96? Well, it had to have been close because I remember being a kid and being fascinated with the Red River flooding. And, funny story.

Back then, Melrose's place was a big thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, there was my sister, Jackie, Dustin, Harley, myself. So the four kids were home, a four out of the five, Jay was gone, and then my parents were gone. And whatever. We're arguing over the TV, and I wanted to watch Red River coverage, like the flood. Yeah. And Melrose Places on, and Dustin and Jackie just gave it to me.

You can imagine the older siblings won. But I hadn't really thought of that. What do you think of BC? Sorry. About the fires? Yeah, well, you're talking about people being to be in the... deployed and everything else. Well, it's one of those things where you kind of, you expect it when you see some natural

disaster happening in Canada. You're like, well, it's bad enough they'll deploy these units to go, you know, land to hand. And you just accept that. And that you're honestly, it's a privilege to do that. Really, you're, you know, it's one thing to go overseas and I loved it. But it's a privilege to do it in Canada, you know, to do something to give, you know. So whether it's fires or I've done the ice storm in Quebec. when that happened and then the Red River one.

You never hear a dude complain about you, you know, of course there's guys going to complain. Rarely. But guys understand that people are losing their homes. They're going to do everything they can to, you know, do what they can. You know, the, we were my platoon back when the Red River flood happened, we were actually at a gun camp in Shiloh when that all kicked off. when it really broke that it was stuff is out of control. So we were doing a training exercise in we were living in the Defen bunker like those big underground bunkers.

And we got woken up and they're like, yeah, we're going to go to Winnipeg now and there's a flood. We're like, oh, okay, how bad is this? We start driving and we only just got in there a couple days earlier and there's literally roads being washed away in front of us. I'm like, oh my God, spent almost two months there. filling sandbags, trying to save communities and farms. And it was quite a time.

It was, uh, it was something else. There was something. I remember what it brings to mind is Brett Olin talking about, uh, the Bow Valley Credit Union CEO talking about being in, he was talking about being in one of the islands. I'm forgetting right now, but essentially a hurricane hit. And, um, he was talking about there being three types of people. when a disaster happens like that. And after the disaster is gone.

So you've survived the disaster, and now you're sitting there and, like, infrastructure's toast. Yeah. Police service toast. Everything's just toast. This is lawlessness because everything's leveled, and you're kind of just sitting there waiting

to kind of pick your life back together. And he talked about there's the calm people who are just kind of like, you know, like find some food and some water and going about and helping some people and whatever. You got your looters, so your thieves who were going around trying to make a buck or whatever and stealing and whatever. And then you got your drunks.

You got your people who just drinking away because, you know, whatever. And then what he talked about was eventually the drunks run out of money to pay the looters usually for the booze. And eventually they come out and they become the most dangerous. When you're looking at a situation like a flood like that, you know what it's funny. Every time you come on, I always think to like the wars and different, you know, this, and that and the clashes and what happens. When you were looking at the situation where people's livelihoods and everything they've built

and just being wiped out in front of them, I don't know, not, I don't know, maybe what stands out? Or like, what did you see from people during that time? So in the ice storm, and what year was that? Was that 95-ish? It was in the mid-90s. I don't remember the exact, but we were put on,

like, Friday night, they were like, yeah, you guys are probably going. And I think it was like Saturday. or Sunday they flew us out like on mass they just flew us out and my folks on a farm they're still on the farm in just south of ottawa and i remember talking to my parents they're like yeah we we don't have power like we my folks are old school farmers they've got generators they've got food put away for the second coming like they're not you know they took in families like they're you know they're prepared they're prepared so they were okay but i'm like why am i going to montmartre

Like I want to I wanted to I'm we're an English speaking unit. This is not going to end. And it there were some friction because we're an English speaking unit going to deploy into Montreal. Which wasn't the end of the world. It is what it is. We're all Canadian. We're trying to do the right thing. But I will tell you this at certain points they deployed us out in section level like 10 man section level units to go down streets. And it was devastation. It was everything was sheeted in ice like I mean power was out down everything. And they would assign one RCMP guy to each 10 man section essentially because they've got the authority to do stuff because there would have no aid to civil power act enacted. So we really don't have a lot of even if we'd seen looting, which we did, we couldn't do anything to stop it because we're not cops. It's a whole dynamic. So we would have a cop and basically. Isn't that fucking interesting though? If they enact aid to civil power.

I understand. But, you know, this is where we're at in society, where it's like, well, if the right law is enacted, then you can stop evil. Well, we saw, we did see looting. Like, we saw it happen in a couple corner stores. And the cop's like, some big old French cop with a big mustache. And he's like, what am I going to do? You know, like, stop them. And he's like, and to his defense, it's like, how?

He doesn't even have a car. Like, he were all. foot. We're going to arrest like 16 guys in the store, beating it, beating up the store. You know, I mean, there's nobody getting hurt, but we're not stopping these guys, right? Yeah. I mean, we do, so the, the, we saw a fair bit of that. I mean, it was, I wouldn't say it was out of control. We're Canadians, but it happened. Never really hit the news that I know of. But when we did the floods, um, is it Emerson that's right on the border? I want to say it's Emerson. I could be wrong. It's been a million years. But at one point, the looting was

getting so bad and I don't they weren't they were very fuzzy about who they thought the looters were if it was because it's literally a town that straddles the border they deployed us down there a few platoons of us like 30 man platoons and said you're going to do patrols and you're going to stop looters and we're like with what authority like if I touch if you're looting a place right now and I'm a soldier and I stop you not good for me you know it wouldn't be good for you either but it would be in the long term. But what's going to happen? You're stealing from a store and you stop me.

Like what's going to happen? Because, well, I'm probably going to wind up in jail, but the soldier. Like, because, well, there's a whole bunch of laws around having soldiers do stuff on Canadian soil, as there should be. That's how you stop coups or the, the, the fermentation of a coup, um, which seemed to be rapid firing off in Africa right now. But anyway, that's a whole other discussion for France. But anyway, like you see this stuff in the back. I never saw anything greasy. Now, to be fair, honestly, we would go from town to town,

try to do what we could in town to town, like help them with their sandbagging or evacuate people. Everybody was fantastic. I've never been fed better in my life than I was by like the communities coming out with like tables full of food. I don't think I ate a ration in two months during the floods. It was just food and old farmers kind of with like bottles and they're like, we're not supposed to. to drink here with guys sorry and they're like take the bottle and of course you know that happens but one town we rolled into and I don't remember the name of it small town in Manitoba and we rolled in at like 4 30 in the morning and because the water was trending that way

and we're trying to get ahead of you know beefing up their defenses to to block the water and uh like it's like 10 in the morning and not one it's like maybe half the size of lloyd and not one citizen like not one civi come over to help or say hey or anything and we this was unusual for us and so we're just filling sandbags like by the thousands and finally this old guy comes over and he's like want to apologize for the town most of these people are transplanted from like I want to say Holland but basically European transplants and the last time they saw anybody in military vehicles was World War II this is an older community they're a little freaked out and we're like totally get it you know we're the good guys you know so never been

fed better in my life in that town they came out by noon bottles and food man it was it was good living it was hard work but it was good living it's it's interesting i don't know how this makes rational sense so i'll throw it out and you you see what you do with it but um i i talked I've talked on and off about the Fort Pitt Trails book, which is the settlers of the area while my parents still live. And like those were hard times. I can't even begin to imagine how hard. Like, you know, I just always point to like,

imagine having a family of five. So, you know, and living in a tent through the winter, right? Yeah. And at the end of every story, they'd be like, but we're happy. And they talk about, you know, not starving and being well fed. I interviewed a 98-year-old once upon a time. couldn't remember what money was, you know, back in the late 20s, early 30s. But he said, but we never had any issues with food.

Yeah. And it's funny, you know, if something about hard times that bring out, certainly the absolute worst in people. But it brings out the absolute best in others. It does. And food always seems to be, I'm not sitting here saying, you know, just look at what happened in Soviet Russia and other different places, right? Because, you know, one of the ways they talk about controlling population is food supply. But, you know, at the same time, like, I see, like, when I hear that story and I've seen different stories, and certainly, you know, we're talking of a flood compared to, like, long duration of a famine and stuff like that. Yeah, that's right.

It just seems like people share. Yep. And aren't afraid to share and open up their house and open up their, you know, their store, their, their stockpile of goods and, and man, that type of goodwill is, um, if, if, if we're going into rough times and we've certainly been in them with COVID and everything, one of the things that I think we should all be hopeful for or look forward to is like how like open and accepting or like looking out for one another that's coming too, because that comes with it.

Yeah. That's what gives me hope, you know, because you can get, it can get pretty, dark when you're you you add up the totality of how bad it's been for the recent period of time and I don't mean like we've everything's perspective of course but I mean we are not trending in a good direction now I hope that changes I hope there's an election and that changes and we can trend in a different direction that's a whole other topic but sometimes and I'm like man do you read that Charlie Angus type of tweet you're like where the fuck

is humanity at now. And then I try to pull a memory out like, like that. And there is more good than evil. Like somebody asked me this the other day, like, can we defeat evil? Like, dude, again, I'm not an oracle. How the fuck would I know? If I can shoot it, I can defeat it. But, you know, um, I'm probably going to win that firefight.

But it's, it's, they're talking with a larger picture of it, right? Not, not Chuck gearing up and going to do stupid stuff. It's it, but yes, we can. And we talked a little bit with this before the show about, you know, kind of your journey and, and, and Sean Ryan's journey. And, and I think those are important journeys for people to be on. Just not necessarily that you have to, um, be in your face about faith, but you need to believe in something or you're not getting through anything, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be through the stuff I've gone through. losing all the friends I've lost, my wife, you know, you can gut up a lot.

You can sack up a lot. My life is built around rub dirt on it, take another step. But you better have some faith, you know. You're not getting too far. So, yeah. It's been gut check time for a lot of Canadians. Certainly, I'm sure lots of the world, but I can just safely say Canadians. Yes.

And that's because for a long time we didn't have to think about that side. No, no. And it's interesting too because I saw this historical map from like 1916 when we were in World War I. And it was a German-made map of North America. And I retweeted it. And I found it interesting because they labeled all these towns and cities and ports and coastlines in America, like different, you know, German sounding names because they were eventually going to win World War I and then move on to North America.

But all of Canada was called barbarians because they basically saw Canadians as these pioneer type barbarians. And there's kind of work. It kind of were. Especially you go back to then. And again, in a military standpoint, our soldiers were the most savage soldiers. We were the ones that made. things happen. The worst places to take, we can't take it. Put Canadians in there, we'll take it.

This is why Canada, you know, was essentially formed, was out of these fights. That's the roots. I'm not saying we need to go back to being savages and barbarians, but I'm saying we need to have a mentality. And I, I butcher this every time I paraphrased Jordan Peterson for saying it. But he brought, he talks about how the, the self-reclaimed morality from the left of disavowing violence. Well, if you're not capable of violence, you're disavowing it or or shunning it means nothing. You know, I shun heroin. I've never done heroin.

So it doesn't mean nothing that I've never touched heroin. But, you know, I've led a fairly violent life. 30 years of my life has been training for violence, engaging in violence. And I'm not talking like pushing each other over. I'm shot people from media away, many of them. And then, you know, my other career in corrections was a violence. career for the most there's a lot of violence and I don't run around with a chip on my shoulder trying to bully people or push people you know I don't run around doing

anything silly the funny thing about you Chuck if if I was if I was sitting here trying to explain it I'm like everything you just said but I'd be like but you'd have no idea he'd done any of it I don't get I don't get the feeling actually you know with David, and I think I've told you this, to me and David was more intimidating than you were the first time we talked, which is a funny thing to say aloud. It's a funny thing because when you look at David, David, I know you're listening,

so I mean this in the best possible way, and when you look at me the next time we see each other, I'll be like, shouldn't have said this. But like he kind of looks like, he kind of looks like my college roommate, a tall string bean, a bit of like, clink cut, but kind of like awkward, maybe goalie guy. Yeah.

Right? Like, I hope that paints a good enough picture. Now, Dan Max mad at me because that's my college roommate. And he's just, like, this guy that you go like, oh, he fought in the military. And well, fair enough. But if you go back and listen to David on the podcast, he says some things, I'm like, oh, you are not to be trifle with. And then he's looking at me with eyes like, don't fuck with me. And I'm like, I'm not going to fuck with you.

Like, that's, and it's funny, Chuck says all of that. And I'm still like, I feel like I fuck with Chuck a little bit. Oh, yeah, you could. You know? You know? And it's interesting because, yeah, I wouldn't get that from you at all. I think from five minutes of talking to Dave, you can feel it like immediately. He's a dangerous human. He's probably about the most dangerous human I know or I've ever met.

Like, yeah. But he's also the best friend to have. But that's what Peterson's talking about. Yes. Right? Yeah. Well, James Sinclair. You wouldn't.

You look at James Sinclair and the average person on the street would run into that guy and go, well, look at this, you know, 5 foot 5, 130 pound, you know, redneck. James is also in the top. Peterson. Yeah. Just so I'm clear on the quote, because I've been trying to mustered up in my brain. I'm like, let's get it right. Yep.

You should be a monster, an absolute monster, and then you should learn how to control it. Yes. And that, to me, when I read that, certainly your stories I'm like wow it's obviously checked but to me when I lead that I'm like Dave that's you that is that is Dave because he Dave's like one of the like what I sat down with you guys I'm like Dave's one of the nice human beings in the world big time but when people talk about um late and gray's talked about I've had um Joshua Allen on people recognize that name as the cowboy preacher I went and rode horses

and when Layton Gray, lawyer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He represented Josh Allen when he was a young guy in trouble and like dangerous human being. He said he's the most scary.

He's probably the scariest guy he's ever represent him. And I was like, oh, why? You just see it in his eyes. Yeah. And I'm like, I see that every, well, not every time, because I've only met David a handful of times now. But every time I'm looking at his eyes, I'm like, I can just see it.

And it's a weird thing. I'm like, I can just see it. But he controls it. He controls it now, I should say. But that's right. But he's exactly what Peterson's talking. It's, it's, um. It's a weird thing, this violence topic, because I was just telling you on the way here, me and

Canon Tan. I'm going to have to listen to that too, yeah. It's a, it's an, it's an interesting thing because if I walk into a room, I can very quickly assess, even if it's a Jamie Sinclair, or, or you had, um, Willie Mac on. Would you think Willie Mac was a savage warrior? No. Once again,

Willie Mac is a very welcoming presence. Who did I have on Willie Mac? I always forget his name. Adam Corbett. Those two guys, you would have no idea that they had done what they've done. Yeah.

And that's the intention. Like that's where your goal, I don't need to walk around, you know, I look a certain way. I've got some tattoos and I'm built the way I am. But I don't walk around,

I try not to walk around. Maybe I was guilty. Short stocky guy? Yeah, short stocky guy. And intimidate people. I didn't like it when I was in the military. I didn't like it when I worked in jails. I didn't like it.

I don't like it in general when people think they have to bully their way through life. You get what you want. Go for it. For sure. But this posturing, this constant peacocking is this fake. I saw it in jail so many times with staff who were trying to like, peacock themselves up and you got to pump yourself up you're walking onto a unit with some horribly dangerous dudes you better have some confidence but you want to walk out there and

inflated lat syndrome and we're running into the toughest guy in the unit and think you're not going to get popped dude there's a lot of wake-up call a lot of come to Jesus moments where some staff would bite off more than you could chew and you'd be like well you had that coming buds you know that the guy that comes to mind and i'm spacing on his name Andrew tate what do you think entertain. What a piece of shit. What a piece of shit. Like just, you know, there's a lot to unpack with that guy, but that, and I don't know if he's guilty of what they're saying he's guilty of and I have no idea. But I'm just, I'm not worried about guilt or not. I'm asking what your thoughts are. He's a piece of shit. Who is taking advantage of women. And I, you can take it, like, I hate people

to take advantage of pets and animals for one thing. It just drives us. me to where I want to gear up and go do bad things. I feel, I feel dumb for us. What do you mean take advantage of pets? Like, people that would harm animals. Like,

I'm not talking about hunters. I hunt my whole life. I'm talking about just people that big off of that, you know, like get the rocks off of it. And kids is another one. But women to, like this whole,

one thing the internet has done has ruined a lot of morality. And I'm not saying, my moral compass has been dropped a bunch of times. Let me, I'm not proclaiming to be, you know, a saint. I am not a saint. I'm like the opposite of a saint in many ways, but this, I don't take

advantage of people. And that's one thing too with like Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave will drive your head through a wall if he thinks he's being taken advantage of, but he won't take advantage of people. I've seen him and John in business deals and they are ethically and intellectually, two of the brightest men I've ever met my life. The two of them are just brilliant dudes. We should give a shout out to John. Yeah. John's. Great guy. I learned so much. much from them working for them for the last few years. They're both, they're got to have genius level IQs. I'm not saying that to pump their tires. They are intelligent dudes, and they're very ethical dudes, which you don't see in the business world very often, or at least I'd never seen

it. These guys were always above board. They're always fair. Now, if you did Dave wrong, he's going to call me and say, do you have the shovel ready? You know, like, don't cross the guy. But that's fair in anything, I think, you know, as far as that goes. But you look at a guy like Andrew Tate and taking advantage of women the way he did and then trying to come off as some big macho, that's to me, if he was just a scumbag who took advantage of women, which is still horrible, but wasn't trying to re-identify himself or identify himself as some big machismo dude.

who just picks up all the time. Like all these leak tapes of him now. Are insane. It's insane. Like the guy is a real piece of shit. Like, well, I tell you what,

it's funny. I just, once again, I remember seeing this out of, um, I try and remind myself this, you know, when I,

when I have to do, well, I don't have to, but I pull myself to like four or five podcasts a week right now. I just, there's just something in terms of, that I'm like, okay, we're going to hammer these out in the best possible way. I'm having tons of fun folks.

But I'm like, this is what I want to do. I think there's too many people that need to be talked to. I want to just continue to have conversations and get things going and on and on it goes. And I don't know if that carries on for 20 years or if it's a three-year thing and all of a sudden it's back down to three. Could very well be. It could be two for all I know. So that shows holes in anyone. And what I mean by that is when I'm doing that many a week.

week, I don't have time, because once upon a time I was doing one a week. I could listen to everything Chuck said. I mean, I'm not kidding. I always point to Quick Dick McDick, when Quick Dick McDick, this is how I found Vance Crowe. When Quick Dick McDick first came on the podcast, I listened to every single video he'd upload on YouTube. Now, at that time, was that an hour? I don't know, was it two hours? It doesn't matter. I listened to every single one. The second time, I listened to probably seven hours of his content because he'd done multiple podcasts he'd done my podcast every listened to that I listened to all of his videos he'd done yeah yeah but the third time I had tried my best to listen to everything he'd done but I maxed out at probably 10 hours I just didn't

have time anymore yeah and now if I had quick dick on tomorrow if I only had quick dick on tomorrow which might be coming folks I'm not gonna lie but let's say I had quick dick on tomorrow two to four hours maybe like I'm being reasonable here I don't want to, but that's where I'm at. Your time is. And think about it. If you do five of those, five different guests, you're given two to five hours a week. That's anywhere between 10 to 20 hours you're spending on trying to like, you know, on top

of everything else you're doing. Yeah. I've ran out of time. And so when I watch Andrew Tate, one of the things that I found very interesting is his clips right now about how to be a man and be alpha and everything else are very, very charismatic. Like I'm like I'm like I was I was following him for a bit And he did Tucker Carlson I watched Part of it I'm not gonna sit here and lie I didn't watch all of it

Because as I went on I'm like out of the yeah, yeah it's okay and then the clips started to come out and I'm like oh That's what I was catching on I didn't realize your gut was telling me something I just didn't get you know And so then everyone's like so how did Tucker get bamboozle he has to have a team that is invested like I'm sorry folks if someday, Lord willing, I get to where I have, I don't know what the number is, but I'll just throw it a million dollars just because that's nice and I feel like I can pay for a lot of people. I'm like, to me, then we're investigating everything Chuck's done. And by that time, Chuck's not the problem.

But like whoever's coming on, we're making sure we get the right guess. I've heard Rogan talk and I wonder if Andrew Tate is one of them. Because somebody, people have asked me, you know, have you ever done an interview who haven't ever released? There's two. One was a school project, and I was just like, I don't know if I felt like it needed to be released. And the second one, maybe someday I released it. It was just talking about ghosts and stuff.

It was a guy that, you know, was an author from somewhere. And it was one, I signed up for this thing where it's like, hey, do you need guests? Here's 10 guests. And I went, that sounds like the most interesting guy. I picked it out just to see if it work. And I thought the conversation was okay. I don't know. It was a great.

And so I've never released that. What I found interesting with Joe Rogan, as I was, I just to see. assume Joe releases everything. And he said, I don't release everything. And he said, this was with Patrick Bet, David. Because I really admire Patrick Bet, David, too. He's like, and what he said to him was, I don't release everything. Sometimes you have somebody on and you go, nah, this, this isn't it.

And he said, this just happened recently. And I couldn't figure out who recently would he be talking about. Like, he just had RFK on. Yeah. Like, we could sit. And I went, I wonder if it's just. It's Andrew Tate. But Andrew Tate never showed pictures of going there or anything.

So maybe I'm wrong on that. But at the same time, I look at Andrew Tate, and he did the Tucker Carlson. He was doing the full gambit of all these things. And now all the videos have come out and everybody's distance. Because you see, he's like, listen, could he, had a, you know, you know, you've been listening to me and tons of people. You know, I've been reading the Bible. I've been, like, literally, I've been reading, and Jesus and what he says and can people, you can Andrew Tate all of a sudden profess tomorrow. and under what Jesus says,

well, then you've got to take it for it, and you've got to let the past be the past. Like, Jesus had some people around them who were bad dudes, and he lets them, you know, be false. Like, yeah, that's fair. So I had listeners point that out, but I'm like, but I don't think he's ever said that. No.

He's never said that what I did in the past was wrong. No. And the longer I look at it, I'm like, this guy has, like, this guy has done some atrocious things. Yes. And reaped all the benefits for it, talks about it, actually brags about it.

To me, when any man, and this is an industry, it's an industry where a man tries to show you how to be an alpha, like if, dude, if you're not already, you're not already in the zone for being like that guy, nobody's going to turn you into that guy with like speech therapy or Andrew Tating you into being like you know you can do some self-help you can be a better person but it's selling men on this idea of being an alpha like it's this this look at me I'm Andrew Tate I got a private plane look at these babes look at all my money you want to be like me he's just he's one yeah it's it's the wrong idea of what an alpha is this is what I'm saying sure like he's selling actually I remember this book

What was it called? Let me see if I've got it. It's that whole, this whole programming, right? And I get it. He's got a niche market because, you know, that whole alpha mentality is being bred out of men these days. Like this, like, if you remember the book, the game, uh, penetrating the secret society of pickup artists,

Neil Strauss. I think, I think this is the book. I'm like, Like 90% sure. They even made it look like the Bible. Oh, really? And I read, I read, I don't know if I got through a chapter.

I fucking hated it. And a ton of guys loved it because it reminds, honestly, it's kind of like Andrew Tate. Yeah. And when you talk about eliciting, like, anger out of you, that book pissed me off. Yeah. You do a series of steps you can have the hottest woman, essentially, right? And does it work? Certainly it works.

Like, I mean, come on. Peacocking is a real thing. Yeah. But does it work for life? No. No. You want to have a relationship with somebody? You better have more than the peacock.

You better burn that fucking buck. Yeah. And you better start doing it. So can they, can you take a male who's, I don't know, not an alpha? An introvert or something. And can they do self-help and get to, yes, they can. But selling them on, what he does is he niches this out to being like private jet, hot babes money, I've got you. And this is how you treat the bitches.

Or whatever his, this whole thing. This is not how to be a man. Like there's a million different ways to be anybody, anything in anybody. But that ain't one of them. You know, like that's just. He's playing. He is an actor playing a role. This is what it is.

When I, when I, when I, when I look at it, like I go, you're an actor playing a role. And at times you can be very, very convincing, persuasive. 100%. Like, I mean, there's a reason why he's got tons of money and everything else. Like, there is a reason for that. He's a brand. Yeah. He's very convincing of what he does.

But I search out, you know, I search out people that, like, I really enjoy somebody who's got kids, is married. Like, to me, those two things in this world aren't, it's not like, it's not like it's hard to find. but at the same time yeah it's all it's not rare but it's you know but we're both doing the same like kind of like nod like well it's you know it's not as common as it was

you know when my so when mine were little um we only had married friends with kids you know it was like you know this is swimming lesson day and this is gymnastics day and this is soccer day and this is all those days and now it's like

I mean, my kids are older, but I look at my friends and even my acquaintances who are got kids and they're like, they're almost all single or half of them anyway. And it's just this whole, the family unit is devolved. There's a like, I don't know what part of it is. That's a whole other in-depth discussion. But it seems like the family unit has fallen apart in a lot of ways. Like to have a functioning family. And by functioning, I don't mean you're always happy all the time.

That's not, that doesn't exist. But you can get along. And you can... But that's probably a fallacy. Being happy all the time isn't a functioning family. That's like, um, perfect. Like perfect does not exist. It doesn't exist.

Now you can be happy. You should be happy. But it's also work. And people, my experience has been that people don't want to work at it. Like on any level. Like two people are going to have their moments. Male, female,

whatever the, the combination is. But how long were you married? 16 years 16 years before your wife passed one of the things I fell into with Mel and I've been really surprised myself with this because you know I've watched the movies

where this plays out is like when we were dating I was over the top romantic like it was what I like back and I kind of laughed myself you're ridiculous that Sean's ridiculous except now I go

this Sean could probably use a little bit of that ridiculous but the part of that is like three young kids, you know, she's working full time. She's a VP. I'm going about as hard as I can on the podcast. And you just, you get kind of complacent. Yeah, that happens.

And I don't know, when it comes to marriage and you talk about hard, I think some of the heart is so like mundane. Yeah. It isn't, it isn't like, it's not all flash and exciting. Thank you.

It's not. And people will think that while we're not as exciting as we were on our second date, Well, guess what? There's, you know, the open house is over. You are now committed to each other. And this doesn't, just because you're in this phase of things, this is just a phase of things. Your kids are at this age. Eventually, they're going to get a little older and you'll have a lot more free time.

You know, even if you're working as hard, you know, these things happen. There's an evolution and you kind of have to take a step back from it and say, well, we'll get there. You know, we just got to get through this. And we're fine. It's not as exciting all the time. That happens. But people will see this. We're not as exciting as our second date.

Be like, I'm out. Two young kids, mortgage cars. I'm out. You don't treat me like you did on our second date. Like, well, come on. Like, now the role. But on the man's side, on the flip side of that, you know, like you don't look the same way you did on our second date. Or you don't do the same things you did on our second date.

Because, I mean, we can flip-flop that both ways. Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's kind of, you know, you kind of kind of laugh at that. It's work. Yeah. It is work. And people will say, well, the second it becomes work, it's not working. Well, look, I'm not a marriage count, definitely don't take a relationship advice from Chuck.

But at some point, there's a little bit of effort. If you don't want to call it work, call it effort. There's got to be some effort. Or you just fall apart. If we talked about your room here, if you stagnate, you do. Agreed. Yeah, well, no, no, no. The room, I agree with you.

The room analogy can be extrapolated across a lot of different things. And I always go back to the dressing room of the Helmand Hetman, which is funny because, you know, it's like this, you know, it was a broom closet that got pushed into a dressing room where we knocked out a wall and made this like, made this dressing room that's just like, man, I'm so proud. Like, I haven't been back in it in a little bit. You know, I haven't been playing senior hockey. but when I was, there was so much love and effort and energy put into that. It was the gathering point for a community. Think about that. A senior dressing room.

Yep. But if you didn't work on it year after year, and I'm not saying day after day, year after year, if you didn't put a little bit of love back into it, a little bit of paint here, an extra thing there, new carpet, etc. You got, you know, think about that. It starts to look rundown. Yeah. And then if it starts to look to run down, maybe you treat it a little less.

than it should be. That's what happened. And if you take that analogy and you push it to anything, and I'm looking at the, you know, as I sit here, on the first go at having somebody in

where I look at the wall, I'm like, man, I don't know how the hell that was going to turn out. And I'm like, that looks pretty cool. It looks really good.

And I look at the curtain and I go, when I actually pulled the curtain, I got that stupid thing off Amazon truck. And I'm like, this is going to look. Like,

this is going to be an ugly curtain. It looks like Joe Rogan's only black. Well, and I didn't go with red because I'm like, Red doesn't really fit in with, like, I was like, do I put a gold one there? I'm like, gold feels a little bit much. So I took black and I like pull it home.

Like, this is kind of like, like, I paid money for it. Don't get me wrong. But I'm like, never know off Amazon folks. And I'm like, it looks legit. Like I'm like, you know, and putting a little bit of love back into things that you want to work, that is what the work is. Well, how much more excited are you about being? Man, you couldn't even, like I said, I was up until 2 in the morning last night. I'm like, I know I got Chuck in here at 10 in the night.

morning I'm like I can set this up I could do that I can run some tasks like believe me there's a lot of things you can do in a studio like Sean you should go to bed and I'm like in the back of my head I'm going I'm going to go home right now I'm going to lay in bed and I'm not going to be able to sleep so what's the point of going home yeah I'd have that voice but I mean no man I'm extremely excited yeah for Dale Wilker if he's listening I can't wait for the drawing to come and get a frame to put it up because I'm like the rooster is coming to roost you know like that's going to be exciting those little additions those small little things for a studio and if you extrapolate it off to your personal life are huge like that could be you know like once

again uh i'm huge on on on on marriage and on like couples working it out but let's say you're you're divorced even with your children those little things and this is probably a pep talk for Sean but like those little things can mean huge things for them they do they don't forget mine are in their 20s and they don't forget my son right now is upset with me because um He loves playing the switch truck. Oh, yeah, yeah. But we don't let him play it all the time. Summer's a bit of, you know, they get a little extra.

But in the summer months, sorry, in the school months, Saturday afternoons, he gets to play a switch. Think about that if you're a gamer. So once a week for a couple hours, maybe. I'm a gamer that would crush me. And he is upset with me right now because he said, you said you play with me, but you're always busy. So I told him, I tell you what, this Saturday, my entire schedule is, when it's time to play your switch. If you just want me to sit beside you, I'll sit beside you.

Yeah. Because he just wants, I don't know what it is. I don't know why he cares. As a gamer, I'm like, I don't know why he needs me to sit there. But he wants me to sit there. Oh, okay. It's just the time together. That's all it is.

Is that what it is? That's all it is. Yeah. It's all it is. If I've discovered anything after the amount of parenting I've done, it's, that's all it is. It's just the time. Like, it's really what matters.

It doesn't matter what you're doing, honestly. people think, well, if I take them to West Ed to go to the bouncy park or some fancy thing or just spend the time. It's the simplest thing, really. So on the way back from Minnesota this summer, right? I get hand, foot, and mouth. Two of my kids have hand foot and mouth. Mel doesn't, she doesn't. Let's just lay that all out there.

So we're in a miserable sort, okay? Sean is not happy. Everything hurts. I'm just like, this sucks. And on our way back, we go through South Dakota. Because she's like, well, we got to drive back anyways. And I'm like, yeah, you're probably right. Okay, whatever.

I'm sitting there. I'm miserable. And so we stay in two of the, but we're broke. Like, we just don't have, we're not living. Like, I don't know what the people think of the podcast, but we're not going to, you know, the Queen's Chateau and staying there, right? So we stay in two of the shadiest motels ever. And I'm kind of like.

I wonder what the kids are going to think of this, right? Because I'm kind of embarrassed as a parent that I can't provide more if you would. And the kids were, I can't even begin to explain how excited they were to be in those motels. Oh, yeah. And when I look back on it, you know, as they get older, I'll probably tell those stories more than anything. Yeah. Because it's ridiculous how excited they were to be in this. The first one, Sturgis is going on.

We're a day before Sturgis, and we're staying at this crappy motel. And we roll in, and it's just bikers everywhere. Oh, yeah. You know, and the kids are just enthralled with all the motorbikes, and I'm trying to explain to them what's going on and whatever. Like, you know, someday they're going to grow up and they're going to talk about this motel. They stayed at it, and they're going to hear, well, you know, hopefully they'll listen to this.

I don't know what they'll think of me. I said when that comes, you know, to roost. But, you know, like the small things, when you talk about spending time with kids, you're absolutely correct. Yeah. If there's one thing I wish I could get back from my time in the army was the time I missed. You know, I missed a ton of time, you know. And I'm not, the military is not the only profession where the time. No, no. We talked about this before. Oil filled right now. There's a ton of guys that work week on, week off, night shift, all that stuff. I have friends doing it right now. It's big money, good money. Great money. Certainly better than I made in the military. So, I mean, the compensation is there and you can provide for your family as it should be. But you sacrifice that time.

I mean, you know, and it's interesting. You brought up Sheila Lewis and how it came this close to happening. And it's nothing through your fault that it didn't. I mean, that's just the way fate happens, right? That's just the way it goes. But I can see it in you a little more right now that you want your attack mode, you're in hunger mode. You're going to get as many interviews or conversations happening as you can.

And, and that's where you should be or you're, or you'll stagnate. Like, you know, at some point you're not going to want to do five a week. You know, you're going to. I agree. You're going to, you're going to dial back and do two or three and maybe expand them a bit or maybe do something extra in them or something. I don't know, whatever comes to your head. But right now you're in attack mode.

Chew through them. Go for it because something's telling you to do that. That's what you should be doing, you know. That's, um, um, I know we're getting probably close to how I don't know what time it is, but, but I wanted to give a shout out. Don't look at the time track. You could be like, how long do you do that? But I wanted to, so next week is, uh, the anniversary of the loss of one of our guys, Scotty Shipway.

And, uh, I wanted to do just say a little bit about the guy, you know, um, one of the things I get asked to do when people know I'm coming out is, hey, give an army story or something and I don't like talking about my stuff I've done stuff I'm proud of the stuff I did my stuff's out there for the world to see you know that's that's great and and usually I will only tell a story

if I have firsthand you know I was there and I saw the thing so so in some way I'm on the periphery of it anyway but anyway with Scotty he was two years older than me. So at the time, we went to Afghanistan in 06. We were in the same company, the Red Devils. And he was known as Big Papa.

Like, just, he was a leader who I idolized. He's one of those guys that you're working with a living legend. Like the dude is, he was a Gretzky to me, you know. And a friend, like a real friend. So we go and do a course before the tour in Kingston, and it's a tactical question of course. This is an interrogation course. And it's the first time they've given it to the infantry, you know, in, I want to say since Korea, is basically what we were told. This is something they usually just leave to the intelligence community to deal with.

But we're modeling ourselves after the British, and they wanted us to have this course that they give their British infantry guys. So there was me and Scotty and two other infantry guys selected to go on it and we went. And it was funny because we arrive and every course you go on in the military, they give you what's called a threshold knowledge test, a TKT test. Basically, it could be physical. It could be if we're going on a jump course or reccy course or whatever the course is. They want to basically make sure your unit sent not a pylon. You know, did they send the right guy? And we, because what they'll do is they'll just send you back to the unit that day if you're, you're a complete pylon.

So this one, we're like, what are they going to do for this? This is interrogate. This is basically mind cracking. What are they going to do for this? We had no idea. And they basically put us in a, they had all these atco trailers that were CCTVed. And they said, you're going to go in here and you're going to interview the person in that room for five minutes without stopping. And you're going to come back out and we'll assess you.

I'm like, okay, I thought I'd be learning this on the course, not going right into this five minutes at 805 in the morning. So I go into my trailer and it's a stuffed animal. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? So I just rant at this stuffed animal for five minutes. And I saw the video of what Shipway did to his, but it was, he was pretty good. He's in their stuff. Anyway, there's stuff and flying and they didn't know what to do with the guy, but there was a couple guys from other units that were also there. and they refused to talk to the stuffed animal.

And they got sent back because this was about seeing how you would react. And they're like, all right, we really liked your enthusiasm, Scott, but you can't like, stuffing out of everything. And so he's got stuffing all over himself. And he's like, and he had this mannerism of speaking that was very slow. And you would think he was slow, except if you got to know him, his brain was going a million miles an hour. just that's how he approached things. So we go overseas in 06 and he's in a different platoon.

So we saw each other only sporadically. But one patrol we were on and it was a patrol that really shouldn't have happened. And he's staying at the Red Devil in with his platoon. He's a sergeant. And my patrol underneath our company, second in command, our captain, we go to drop supplies off. We were on an operation. We happened to be in the region.

They said, let's kill two birds with one stone. Take these supplies there so we don't have to send a separate convoy out and do it. So we spent the night there, you know, kind of thing. And we left the next morning. And the company to I see comes up to me. He's like, Chuckie, like there's one, two ways in and out, which way should we go? I'm like, dude, it's not good either way. We know 50-50 chance we're going to get hit.

Well, we got hit. So we got IED real bad, a bad IED. And it hits, it hits his, hits his car, Captain Martin, Martin LaRose was our 2IC, hits his car, his lav, they're up front. And, you know, so if you're sitting in your chair like this, this is in the turrets where you have a gunner and the crew commander, the gunner sits with his joystick like this, scanning everything. And his legs, you know how your legs get tucked under while it hit. And it brought the floor of the basket up about here. So his legs are gone. Like you've got nothing left.

And we're getting, as this explosion goes off after we've passed through this town, this notorious town, we get ambushed. So we're being attacked at the same time. It's a horrible situation. I've only got me and my troops in my car and a couple of, um, um, we call them 10 ton trucks. They're basically supply hauling trucks that are empty at this point with the, like, not infantry guys driving them. So me and my guys fight off this ambush for a couple minutes, and I realized, fuck, we got to get up and get these casualties out.

We're doing all this. Ryan Elric is the gunner who's lost his legs, and we're dealing with that. That's a whole thing. I hear maybe half an hour later, and our comms are shit, like the comms have gone down. Like we can't get we can barely get out that we've been hit. Horrible situation like we there's no backup to come right like we just left the only place that's got backup and they're not going to be able to send much. So lo and behold a half an hour later I hear this gunfire going off in the town that we just passed through and Scotty's lab comes traipsing through and he's just been hit he's been hit like attacked. but he pushes through to get to us.

Now, in Afghanistan, you don't go anywhere with one vehicle. That's, you don't do it. You travel in a convoy or a patrol of, you know, for minimum, but is a minimum, usually heavier than that. But never one. So he's just come about 10 kilometers on his own through the worst place in Afghanistan. I'm like, holy shit, Scotty. So he helps us sort this out, get the choppers in.

He had a sat phone that worked. We had a sat phone, but it was in the vehicle that got blown up, so it was in a million pieces. So, you know, Scotty comes and does Scotty stuff. So anyway, that's a kind of guy, you know, just down the road. Later, maybe two weeks later, we're fighting in Pangeway. Brutal fight. Heavy fight. And we're always outnumbered.

He just, that's what happens, right? We didn't care about that. As long as we had, as long as we were together, we were going to win. So we're fighting. And I hear partway through day two or three, Scottie's injured. They had to fly him out. I'm like, what the fuck? What happened?

How bad is it? And I'm like, well, he was leading his men up some outer steps going up to a roof where the bad guys were. And they were about 300 meters from where my platoon was when it happened. And dude threw a grenade down the stairs. So Scottie sucked it up, you know, ate the grenade so his troops wouldn't get him. So he finished the fight, gets the guys. And he's bleeding everywhere, like arm, hand. And he hides it.

And his boys are like, Scott, you can't. You know, fuck. So the boss. bosses will make him fly out on a medevac back to the calf to get checked out and pull shrapnel out of his lead hand off his rifle so they patch him up couple stitches you know it's shrapnel grenades are not the end-all be-all that you see in movies they're effective don't get me wrong I've durped a lot of dudes with him but it's you know it is what he he was fortunate he took a lot of shrapnel off his lead hand off his rifle is through this forearm

And he sneaks out of the hospital and the flight line like where all the choppers are is right off there. Like there's a reason the hospital is right off the runway. And he sneaks out and he's like, well, I'm going to go back. So he comes back. And the medical staff is like, you can't fucking go back. You can't hold a rifle. And he's like putting tape all over himself. He's like, fuck off, then go.

So he comes back. Keeps fighting. You know? Didn't have to. He could have gone home. But him and I, we go back a year later, well, 2008, and he got killed. IED. But it's, he's a tough one because there's, every guy we lost was good, but not many like him.

I appreciate you coming in. there is um you know someday i'll get it built and there will be a boulevard of broken dreams picture done and somewhere chuck will be sitting at a table but uh you know one of the things i couldn't have predicted on the with doing the podcast is some of the friendships that would be created you know some of the the things that i would hear and see and interact with and certainly uh there's a group of you out of uh the little emminton area and uh they seem to be more more and more, to be honest, you know, for all the harassment, Remington takes for being Remington and everything else.

Appreciate you telling the stories and sharing with us, you know, some of your time overseas and the people you met and the people that have been lost, because, I mean, I don't know who he was, but I can see it meant a lot. And, I mean, I think we can all agree going through some of the most dangerous territory when you're saying, you don't go anywhere with four, you know, that might have been low. Coming through with one, you know, like, that's a guy. you want to ride with, you know. Yeah.

That's a special type of human being. I got a special challenge for you today. You know, we do the Crude Master final question. And last time I did it with you, like, I don't know who I listen to. I listen to you. I'm like, what do? And then people are like, well, that's an awfully high cough, but a truck. I'm like, okay.

So Chuck, you listen to a lot of me. What is a question you wish for the Crude Master final question? What is something you wish I asked more of the guess, either towards the and or at any time that you'd like to hear more of. Nobody's an Oracle, and I've used the word a bunch, because people will pretend that they know, you know, or they can, this is what, this is Canada in two years, or this is the world in five years, or this is, nobody knows.

But I'm always curious to see, like, take a Donald Best or take a, there's a lot of them, but take a guy like that, who's just got an interesting take on the world and what he's seen because of his background, and you've had a lot of guests like that. I want to know where they see, I want an A and a B path. I want to see where do we, where's Canada in five years if Trudeau's reelected? And where is it if he's not? I want it.

You want hypothetical. I want hypotheticals because nobody can give it real. Here's the crude master hypothetical question. Where do you see Canada in five years if Trudeau is elected or not? If he's reelected, if he runs again. I have a strong feeling he won't run again. but I could be wrong. I drink heavily at 10 in the morning,

so I could be wrong. But if he runs again and gets in, I honestly see the West saying no. One thing I love about, I love Daniel Smith. I'm not saying she's perfect, but I don't expect perfect from a politician. In fact, I quite have low standards for them,

but I think she's more than met what I as a voter wanted from and want from her. When she makes a little boo-boo, do I think she needs to get out there and apologize? God, no. Stop it. You don't see the left apologizing. Stop apologizing.

You're never going to win them over. I want you to be a hard ass, you know, do what you're doing. I do see that if he gets reelected, we've already seen her push back against their, their climate BS, you know, their unsustainable timelines and deadlines and actions. I wouldn't be opposed to the West going its own way. And this, you know, I'm a guy that's fought for this kind of. country and been written off twice for it and killed a lot of dudes for it, I wouldn't be opposed to it because at some point that divorce may have to happen and it would be horrible. But

my kids can't buy a house and they're not poor. You have a mortgage. Everybody I know is a mortgage didn't put themselves in a position where they thought they'd be paying a third more on a on a monster mortgage. My taxes, I'm over. So I'm diverting a little bit. One of the reasons I decided to hire and I did is I'm losing, I was losing about 46% of my wage and I made good money to taxes. So I restructured a few things. I make still good money now that I'm retired and I'm not taxed nearly as much. All completely legal folks, by the way. I'm just saying I had opportunities.

I took advantage of them. So where are we at if Trudeau doesn't get elected? If he doesn't get elected. So we're saying Polyev is in. So we're saying that Pierre gets in, because I don't think Max is going to do it this time. And if he gets in, I have hope. And I know hope isn't a strategy or plan, but you have to have some level of hope. I have hope that he follows through on defunding the CBC.

I have hope that he actually brings our tax system back in line where you and I, who make the money we make and every other normal person out there who isn't aiming to be rich. I don't know anybody that's trying to be rich. I know people that are just trying to get by. Wouldn't it be nice if they weren't debating the last $20 they had going into the gas tank or bread and milk? That's where we're at in this country. So my hope is that he's able to restructure our taxes, lower our taxes, reduce the immigration

so that it's sustainable. Like nobody's a, nobody's a. nobody's against immigration. We're against being flooded out of housing. Like in what world is that? We have an unbelievable problem with our housing crisis right now. We can't build it fast enough. We are going to bubble pop here soon.

Like we know we will. Anybody that can forecast knows we're going to have a pot. And that's not going to be pretty either. My hope is that he brings back some sense of unity in the country because right now we're fractured. We are regional. But we don't like the East. The East hates us.

The East, everybody who talked to in the East just thinks we're redneck, you know, gun, toting Bible reading dog in the front seat. Now, I do resemble the meme, but. We are kind of like that. Yeah. And if you don't get along with that, then that's fine. That's fine too. But you don't have to be.

That sounds like my type of people. But that's my kind of people too. But leave me to do what I want to do because I'm not out to take away your type of life. style either. If you're some, you know, latte sipping hippie in Toronto that doesn't ever want to hear a gun go pop, which Toronto is probably the last place you're going to be if you don't want that, because it seems to be more gun happy than anywhere else. Um, you live in Toronto and walk down the streets and never see us, you know, the stars or trees or whatever. That's fine. You do that. I'm being harsh on Toronto. I'm using them as a punching bag and I don't, there's great people in Toronto too, I'm sure. Maybe. But we got a couple listeners for sure from Toronto and and I get it we're all across the country wherever we happen to be, but there is a regional divide. It's really unusual in the world to have a country this big as the as regionally diverse as it is and have it not fall apart. Anybody that can read history, you know, I'm not saying we're going to have a civil war. Good God, no, not that at all. But I do see the West saying, you know what, we pay our way in this country more than anybody else.

You don't want our wallet open, but you're going to tell us how we're going to put money in it. Like, come on. We're all tired of it. I'm tired of it. I just won't probably to come in and be reasonable. Just be reasonable. That's it. That's all.

Well, I don't know what the future holds, but I like the idea. I'll see what I'll see what I can do with the crewed masters. There's Dale Wilker who gave me one idea, and it's Chuck Brodnick, who's given me a different idea. We'll have some fun with him. Either way, thanks for making the tour this way and hopping in the studio all over again. I mean, you know, I haven't done a 236 in a while,

but that's where we're at. So I appreciate you doing this, and I have a blast every time. Look forward to the next time, you know, you enter the studio when it's hopefully 99% up to where I want it to be. Dude, it looks great. I love it. Thanks for having me and, you know, the conversation.

Love it.