Shaun Newman Podcast - #505 - Mike Beaudoin

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Host of the Blue Collar Philosopher Podcast. He is a husband and father of four. He has experience in cage-fighting and as a motorcycle club member. He grew up all over Canada as a pastor's son, but currently lives in northern BC with his family.  Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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At the start of the year, I don't like to, like, I understand how consistency works, like, if you're consistent in something. But, man, Substack has been difficult, because I'm just not, like, a rattling off five podcasts a day. Two, writing just isn't like you sit down and say, hey, guys, thanks for tuning in. And, like, I want it to be something that you want to open up, you know? And so, uh, I've been non-existent in Substack, if you would. and Patreon, we've been slowly clipping along, adding some videos here regularly and everything else. But I've heard from different people, you know,

and my hesitation with Patreon once upon a time was everything they did to Jordan Peterson and a few others. And so, you know, the story goes, I talked to Tom Luongo, me and Tom talked about it, and he's on there, and he's like, listen, man, you should come on Patreon, blah, blah, blah. And then I got to talk with some other people, and I go, well, I only want to have one or the other.

I don't want to have 17 things where you can go to, buy me a coffee and substack and Patreon and and and I don't care so what I want to know from you guys is I'm going to do Patreon until the end of the year uh I said I wouldn't charge for substack until the end of the year so I've got one of two options here I either just continue to push everybody to Patreon Patreon Patreon Patreon Patreon Patreon Patreon Patreon that's where we're going for the next five years 10 years whatever it is or is the thought process man if you go on substack and release some articles and then obviously how to paywall for the videos and some behind the scenes things, that would be way more up my alley.

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For more information, visit them at Hancock, Petroleum.com. He's the host of the blue-collar philosophers podcast here in Alberta, talking about Mike Boudoir, Boudoir, Boud something. Anyways, you get the point. Buckle up, here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Michael. His mother will appreciate that.

Baudois. Baudoin. Yes, close enough. Baudois, the French or the English tongue cannot do what the French tongue does when it comes to speaking all that stuff. And he's come bearing gifts, folks, you know. Always. You're the second guy in a short period of time.

It was Chuck Brodnick. I was going to crack that bottle for you, but now you've brought something. So tell the listener what you're cracking. I'm cracking a LaFoyg. The thing, that's another one. I can't do their tongue. Lefoid quarter cast tenure. Scotch.

It is a... And where did you find this from? Do you want any ice? You're not an ice game. I take a little bit. Just one ice. This one's torquey, man. It's like drinking a campfire

Oh, it's smoky I tell you, my brother Harley would love this then I'm a glengue I like all the glens meringueay and blah blah blah blah blah I don't need to here We'll get that out of the way We'll put it over here Yeah, yeah

So this is one that my brother introduced me to And it was phenomenal And we got this guy that comes on our podcast house named Will Smith. We call him Vanilla Will because he's white. And, uh, so, so not, not the, not the, not the, not the one that, that would really boost our numbers. Uh, I don't know, I, I suppose he'd boost your numbers, but, I mean, like, I mean, he, he, he has fallen from grace, man. If there, there's, there's, there's a few folks these days have really messed some, some, some things up. But there's no such thing as bad publicity.

So even having somebody Like this, okay, our Will Smith's friend He comes on, he's a bit of a Wine guy Or a drink, a mixologist character That's actually not that bad It's, can I swear? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, your mom's not gonna like it, but She won't, but she doesn't listen to my podcast. She told me that You tell her, you know, you better not listen to this one, mom. Yeah, don't listen to this one. Don't listen to this one. It's probably funny though, I bet she listens to more than you think.

I worry. But I hope she hears my heart when I do it because we're not doing it for the Christians. That's the thing. It's a couple of Christian guys doing it, but we're not doing it for Christians. We're doing it for people that wouldn't listen to a podcast that tells them that you're not good enough and that you need something bigger than yourself and that you maybe pride in the church of you will never work. And so anyways, we're not doing it for those people. And I got people in my life, moms in my life that they pray for us.

They're like, we really, really, really desire more for you. And I'm like, yeah, but they're not coming. Those people aren't coming into your church. But they're going to hear the name of Jesus somewhere. And I'm going to do it right on my podcast while drinking great scotch and cussing up a storm. It's interesting. You know, I have no idea where this is going, you know. So my wife was the same way.

She's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, I don't know. You know, it's funny. You know, every once in a while of the podcast just steers me in a direction. and I'm like, do you know, like, I was talking with a young guy today. Yeah. And he, the call to adventure. And, you know, for me, I got to go play hockey all over the world and that was definitely

a call to adventure. I mean, it's very easy to see. But what I was saying to him is in this seat where I sit right now, I can have call to adventure every single day. Yeah. It's like, how much do I want to know before I walk and sit down with somebody? Exactly. Do I listen to 50-year podcast and get a real good feel for you or do I sit down and go,

somehow we I can't even remember the full story because I feel like this has been brewing for a little bit but I'm like you know you're your podcast yeah blue color philosophers yeah I'm like but that just in general sounds cool so I'm like that's a great podcast name yes like who is he I'm like I don't want to know I'm gonna see if he's a scotch guy I started listening I'm like oh they're talking with smoke well I'm not sure I got scotch and I was like well maybe he's maybe he's just say water and then you're like I'm bringing two bottles I'm like All right, I'm just going to sit back and I'm going to let this go where it is. Yeah.

So you got to tell me, you know, it's funny, the mom thing, because I remember the first time I swore on this thing. And actually, it was one of the brothers who swore first. But then, of course, you know, you start, you know, it's a funny little thing swearing on a podcast. First, you're terrified of it. Yeah, because you're worried about the blowback that's going to come with it. Because the blowback's going to come because everyone, they have a conceived notion of what kind of person you're going to be on the microphone. Sure. It's like, how are you going to represent yourself?

and you never live up to whatever standard that they think you're going to do. Because you can't, because they have a set idea of what kind of person you'd be. Cheers, by the way. Cheers, by the way. Thank you so much.

Thanks for having me on, by the way. I'm surprised you even reach back out. I was like, oh, he's probably too busy. Oh, he's got somebody to vet through this stuff, and I really appreciate you doing it. And I am a fan of the show, and my father is a fan of the show. So, yeah, he actually introduced me to the show.

And so knowing what I do and seeing what you do, I'm like, oh shit, there's some common ground here. I'm like, we can have a lot of fun. I have a little bit different call to adventure than you do because you did hockey, which is, it's phenomenal. I want to name drop a couple people and be like, hey, did you know this guy? Because he kind of played in the same era as you did. And he was from a small town in Saskatchewan as well, Punichai,

tiny little village. And his mom was my school teacher, and he hit me in the head with the hockey puck back in 93. three, you know, you're too cool for a helmet and he snaps a puck from the blue line. My brother got knocked out that way. It was knocked out many other ways. So you're a BJJ guy, right? Oh, God. No, so my first podcast I ever did, we talked about BJJ.

I'm literally doing it. I did it for two months. I haven't done it since. Oh, no. Oh, and I've got to interview, like, I think it's fantastic. I wish, I don't know, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's time. I don't know what it is because I think it's like I listen to jocco and and Joe Rogan all these guys talk about it. I'm like fuck I could use a little bit of that right everybody could you need that that um but I don't know what it is I don't know if it's time I don't know if it's like getting on the mat and I just not like I couldn't tell you what it is because it's like it's like it's not that I'm nervous to go roll with the guy yeah like I think that's I think it's like really cool I don't know like I just never go

grew up in that world. But in saying that, our book club, all five of us went and did it and two of them stuck it out. And I've been going now since, well, on and off since 2019 folks. So that's like five years. And the first podcast we talk about it, talk about Ken's got, I think, a black eye because he'd taken whatever. That's awesome. Some shrapnel or some, you know, a little shiner. And we're talking about it.

But ever since then, you know, I got to interview Tanner Bozer. Yeah. Who, of course, was fighting in the UFC. And I got laughed after that interview because I had known jack shit about the I'm like I watch it sure yeah a big fight comes on I'm gonna go watch it but like you know I don't keep track of who's card and what you know they're they're you know like have you have you seen any of this Sean Strickland in the god no this guy he's an animal he is just the guy who's talking about smashing people's head off the tables and that guy oh yeah and like if it

if it weren't for the UFC I'd be smoking meth or in prison or um cooking meth or or in prison and he's like I want to learn Chinese I can look when I get a closing line I can tell a child to get to work or you don't get food. Like this really rough around the edge of that's the kind of people that I want to listen to my podcast. I'm like, this is not for the nice Christians. This is for the guys who are a little rough around the edges and maybe they're rejected by the church because they're just too soft or they do something that just sets people off

and you're like, maybe fuck off. I don't, you don't, you haven't built relationship with me and you're going to come and tell me how to how to live my life? It's like, how about you get to know me a little bit? You need to meet Joshua. Yeah. Do you know who that is? No.

Oh, I'm going to send you a podcast. The Cowboy Preacher. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I listen to that one. I'm just really bad his names because it had too many concussions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Cowboy Preacher, like, he's, he came from that world. He's a guy who walks, he was just telling me, like, I was just talking to him like,

maybe this morning. I actually think I did talk to him this morning. But I don't know. We talk, we won't talk for a month. And then we'll talk like three times and three days kind of thing. And he just walked up to another big guy and said, Lord's telling me. I need to come talk to you.

And the guy's like, what the heck is going on? And then he's like, I just, and then he starts bawling because he's been thinking about something. And there's Joshua Allen and be like, holy crap. I guess I did need to try. Here's the Bible and start reading. And I'm like, who in their right mind does that? Joshua Allen showed up to you because I enjoy our conversations. But he's a wild man.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's, that's, yeah, I love that kind of thing. So I did a little BJJ, did some cage fighting at five pro fights. You did. I did. Not very good at it. I lost all my fights. But I stepped back in.

Like 90% of people never step in the ring. 88% of people do not step back in the ring, win or lose. I stepped in five times, and I got knocked the fuck out every time. Or choked or whatever. Why do you keep getting back in? Because it's just something. You got to do something hard. You got to do something that just sucks and you're bad at and just challenges you and puts you in a hard place.

And something people haven't done before. I love doing that kind of shit. And so, and it gave me an opportunity to talk to cage fighters about Jesus. Like, your life's a ministry. You're going to be preaching whether you like it or not. So what is your life going to preach? So I was preaching, yeah, you can be a Christian. You can be in these circles.

And I can have a beer with you afterwards and talk about what a great fight it is. And I'm like, and then like, how can you do this and be a Christian? I'm like really easily. I don't like hitting people. So I try and take it to the ground. My second fight was against a North American boy Thai kickboxing champion. he pummeled me. He did.

He got a clench on me and put about 20 knees to my body and more than that to my face. None of them knocked me out except for any roundhouse kicked me. Don't, doesn't the referee just see that you're like... Out of my league? No, I don't know about out of your league,

or it wasn't as bad as you're portraying it to. Because like in the UFC, when you watch a fight, as soon as a guy is relatively not defending himself or getting like hammered. Well, that's the problem is because I would clench out or I would finally get out of it and I would be walking towards them with my hands up. It didn't matter. I was like, fucking let's do this.

And then it's like, oh, so this kid's fine. And so I took 20 knees to the face and I was still good and I was still walking towards him, still swinging, still pushing the fight and all the stuff. So yeah, he's fine. I remember one time I got knocked out. The guy got full mount on me. And he knocked me out. Like he one punch knocked me out and then the next punch woke me up and the next punch will knock me out

and the next punch woke me up. So it's getting put in and out of consciousness by punches. And it was hilarious because I look back and I'm like, that was good times. You have an interesting sense of what a good time is. But I will say this. You mentioned something there that I guess I'm a little bit curious about because I tend to lean into things that I'm really good at. So hockey, I loved it because I don't know if I was good right out of the womb,

but it was awfully close. I just loved being on the ice. I was nationally, had four older siblings, siblings naturally the ice came to me and then you know as you went you got better and you made teams and you felt success and you wanted more success so you kept going and sure I got cut a couple times and that stung so then you worked harder and you know and on and on it went right yeah and when I got back you know in well actually before I went back I tried other sports I tried like volleyball sat on the bench that sucked that that that that would be a hard thing for

you guy your statute yes it would hey I tell you what I can I am a mean setter folks I bet and I tell you what, I go out on the old volleyball court with my wife and, you know, people are kind of, you know, you could tell. It'd be like if they came on the ice with me, all right? You got a little bit of a snicker. You're kind of like, let's see what this guy can do. Yeah, yeah. But at the end of it, they're usually like, man, you can move around the court a little

faster than we thought. It's like, yeah, I'm not inept. Yeah. You know, sure, I can't jump seven feet in the air. I get it. But I can play my part in volleyball. Like, not everybody needs to smash the ball. Somebody needs to set it to them.

That's called a team. That's right. That's right. You got to get it. And some people got to get under it. Some people got to get in spots where those tall guys aren't going to be able to set because they're going to, they can't dive, they can't get as low as the little guys can. And you need all kinds of people on that court, whatever they call it.

But most of us go towards things we're naturally good at. So we don't go and start something because it's hard. Like that's, you know, one of the things about BJJ in particular is like, it's no matter how good of a strong you are, know how in shape, you are, everybody gets put through the ringer in the first, I don't know, and you know what better to me, is it six months, is it a year, it doesn't matter. I'm still getting put in, I'm still getting put in the ringer.

Like, I took a 10-year hiatus because I had kids. I didn't have time to train as much and money and everything that went on. So I got four kids now, and I just got back into it because, well, now my kids are kind of interested in stuff like that. How old are your kids? I've got all the way, I've got

one boy who's 11, and then my youngest daughter is four. So everywhere in between there. So I think it's four, nine, seven. I'm really bad. Again, I got their birthday tattooed on my leg. So four seven, nine, eleven. Four seven, nine, eleven, yeah.

And, yeah, three girls. And they are beautiful. Three girls or four girls? Three girls, one boy. Three girls, one boy. Oh, got you, got you. Okay, yeah, yeah. And the boys are the oldest, and, yeah, he's totally getting into it.

And so I started going to jujitsu because I want to be good enough that I can whip his ass until he's like 20. Like, I'm like, I've got to get back into this. Otherwise, he's going to, he's going to. He's going to catch up with me. He's going to own me. And so I got back into it. And one of the guys was like, I told him, I'm like, I want to start belting.

And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I've never actually gone through the belting stage. I just got good enough to hop in the ring. And so I started rolling with these guys who have been doing it for years. And they're like, oh, shut the fuck up. Like, come on. You're better than this. And I'm like, no, I'm really a white belt.

And it's like, no, you're an MMA white. Because you know how to kick. You know how to punch. You know to make it hard for somebody. So you're an MMA white. You never went through the process, but you're okay. You're baptized by fire. But after the fighting thing, when I realized I couldn't do something like that, I'm like, fuck.

What am I going to do something with my time? So I got into motorcycles. And then I got into the motorcycle world and the motorcycle community and got into a motorcycle club. And you want to talk about big guys that are scary. that like your friend was talking about going up to a big guy and said, hey, I got a word for you. When you start doing that with people that are potentially carrying firearms and just rough, like really rough around the edges guys,

like the rest of the socially outcast people, it's like, no, these are people that need Jesus too. And so being part of a Christian motorcycle club allowed me the opportunity to reach out to these people and hang out with them. And the best conversations ever had were at about 2 o'clock in the morning. Because everyone else is gone. all the commoners, the people that wouldn't stick around to a clubhouse longer than 45 minutes, they're gone. You get to have conversations with these people and say, hey, yeah, I ride a motorcycle,

and I ride like they ride. And it was a lot of fun. And the same thing with the podcast, where I got to hang out with people that normal people don't get to hang out with. And so I got to do that in the motorcycle club. I got to do that in MMA. I got to do that when I played a little bit of hockey. I'm not very good.

I used to have an eyebrow ring. it got hit by a hockey puck and I thought I was being a big pussy and it's like got up and kept skating it's like Mike you gotta get off the ice and I'm like why and they're like well you're bleeding everywhere I'm like oh okay so yeah I'm always been attracted to

doing things that other people are afraid of it's weird so yeah and I got into podcasting because well when I was in the club they would never let this fly they would be like no no this has to be a club thing you got to represent Jesus this, no drinking, no cussing, has to be all about faith in this and this and I'm like, no, not interested in that. So we got into it. I was having these conversations. The thing is,

what you hear on the podcast are conversations that were all, me and my buddy were already having. I do it with my brother, uh, Kikstan, Devin. I told him that I was coming on. He's orthodox, uh, Eastern Orthodox now. And, uh, yeah, it's one of those things of we were having these conversations already. And we were doing it with friends of ours. and they're like, you've got to start a podcast, man. You've got to do this. You're already doing this. We need to share these ideas.

And so, yeah, we got into it and just started making a podcast, got into it a little more. And, yeah, it's been a year and a half now. I know you're on year five. And you've got a great setup here. And I'm a little jealous. But at the same time, like, I'll get there. Well, build it. You know, A, I want to hear about some of these ideas because I think that, you know,

some of the best podcasts I've listened to started just like that. It's like, we're having these conversations anyways. Yeah. And we can certainly get into my thoughts on, and your thoughts on, you know, Christianity, Jesus, it doesn't matter. I'm laughing because I just had another guy to say,

can we tone it down on the Jesus stuff? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, go back through the first 400 episodes. I didn't even mention his name. I don't know what the heck to do right now, folks. Yeah. I got a guy who's been. been kicked in the head how many times on an MMA, he's talking about motorcycle clubs and everything

else, but he drinks, he swears, and he's going to talk to you. I'm like, I don't know. Like, what are you going to do with that? Yeah. The thing is, I think one of the biggest frustrations I have when it comes to dealing with some Christians and some lazy people, it's like, well, I'm an atheist. I'm like, well, you're lazy. You're fucking lazy. And I'm like, what do you mean you're lazy? And I'm like, no, you're lazy. You think that you've got everything, as a Christian, As I understand faith, I don't even make the assumption that I've chosen the right branch of Christianity to follow, because I'm humble enough to believe that they've been fighting over this for the last 2,000 years, and maybe I don't have it all figured out.

Maybe somebody else does, but I'm going to live according to my consciousness. And then you've got somebody who comes along, and it's like, oh, I'm an atheist. It's like, really, you figured it out. You've looked at every possible faith, every possible religion, every possible explanation, and you're just going to be like, no, I got it. this and I'm like, shut the fuck out. Sorry. There's been too many weird things, strange things.

And I use those two words specifically. Yeah. Because once you recognize there is more to the world than meets the eye, right? We've all heard that phrase. Yeah. I didn't know what the hell that meant, you know? Like, you know, like it's, you can take it from a scientist, scientific perspective, or you can take it from the sense of like the spiritual perspective.

Yeah. There might be a few other perspectives, folks. I'm not saying I know it at all. I certainly don't. But once I started noticing things, then you can't not notice them. And then the more you notice them, you're like, well, I've got to find something that makes sense of what the heck I'm seeing. Otherwise, I'm going to go a little Lulu. Yeah.

But then you start talking to people, and they've been noticing them for 20 years, maybe longer. They already know. Yeah. I'm like, why are nobody talking about this? And then they go, well, because we talk about it, they'll deem you crazy. I'm like, well, I've already been, you know, you can walk through my playlist. It's like, you either think I'm crazy and you don't listen to me anymore, or you've been along for the ride and know that we're not. crazy so let's start talking about all the things that supposedly were crazy for

thinking right and this this world of spirituality spirituality is why Jesus keeps coming back up that's why that's why it keeps coming back up on the podcast oh yeah in my world oh yeah it's like I just we just did the the protest the million one million March for children yeah my wife went to the one in Fort St. John so we got it we got a we got a we got a five-ton truck flatbed okay yeah that's the stage and I get up there and you know I'm sitting there talking And there's a group of about 12 protesters, and there is a big ombre sitting there, and he is yelling directly at me. It is for me.

And I don't know if I've ever seen the devil before. And I'm not saying this guy was the devil, like, and then he disappeared. But certainly the devil was working through him that day, because he was looking at me and he was yelling, and he's going, God is not real. And I'm like, whoa. Like that, like, okay, the gloves are off today. Okay. Okay. First speaker, let's go.

And then, you know, if Layton Gregg gets up and he's talking about Christianity and we're all welcome and that way it goes, right? And Layton Gray's a big man. This guy's a big man. They're both, I'm going, this is interesting. So I'm off the stage. You've got your people in the back. Nobody's ever going to notice this.

And even if I hadn't been initiated, I guess, I may not even figured it up. But you got people in the back just sitting there praying. Yeah. And then you got the people in the front, protesters losing their shit. Yeah. And you can just see like the, The darts being thrown, the missiles being thrown, whatever you want to call it. It's going back and forth, back and forth.

And then it'll allow them. And they stop praying and they stop yelling. I'm like, well, that's interesting. Then it picks up. They start praying again and it all happens all over again. I'm like, this is what people deem crazy. If you see this and talk about it, you're also in La La Land, except when you talk about it, because I'm sure you're going to be like, yeah, that makes sense.

I'm like, so why is nobody talking about it? Because we've forgotten something or in our world, we don't talk about that, Western society we were past this. We're so civilized. We don't think about these things anymore. You heard the saying the greatest lie ever told by the devil was that he was not real. Yeah, he doesn't exist. Yeah, that it's just nothing. So I have actually seen firsthand exorcism and shit like that crazy life man. And where at one point I was on the sideline to this, I want to call an exorcism. It was just more of a prayer or whatever. They were trying to pray for this girl who was having a hard go at it, we'll just say, because I don't know completely. But at the same time, this person whom

my love and care about was being prayed for over here on my right. I'm not a front line guy. I'm a, I'm what the praying on the side where I just got on the sideline, I'm just reading my Bible. And when she realized that I was worshiping and just praying, and there was nobody else in this tent, she looked at me, this person who I've known for a year, screaming bloody murder at me to stop what I was doing. And I was quiet. I was out of earshot. I was the only person there that that wasn't front line. And I'm like, oh, there's something going on here. There's something bigger.

There's something more amazing. More, there's a real thing happening over here because she can't hear me. She can't know what I'm saying or speaking. But for some reason, what I'm doing over here is driving her insane. Yeah, it's driving her bonkers. And I'm like, and all I am is backup. I'm not a front line person.

I'm like, I don't even know how I feel about spiritualism. I'm borderline materialist. And some people would classify me as an, agnostic because I don't know if I have everything figured out, but I know for a fact something is happening over here. And I'm like, okay, can I disregard that? No, I can never disregard that because I saw it first. I was there. So yeah, I've seen some shit. How did you find your way into that? Into that situation? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was born and raised in the Christian communities. And so I was, you know, go to enough Christian camps all over there. And this is in Quebec way back in the day.

but you go to enough Christian communities at your camps and just putting yourself and you have these kids coming from a occult thing they start fucking with Ouija boards and stuff like that and you're like that stuff's dangerous that will mess with your spiritual body and these pieces of this girl I knew she had been doing that she had been getting into the occult a little bit

and it came up somehow something drew it out of her in this moment and the people in charge were like, we need to pray over this. We need to stop it. We care about this person. And so you find yourself in these situations and they don't make a spectacle of it. They say, no, this is not going to happen. And they sent all the other kids, all the other people that were there inside. Anyone who wasn't front line on this was inside, like away from it because we're not making a spectacle. We're not giving the devil a stage, a platform to make it like, oh, look, the devil's doing this thing. But at the same time,

time, this is something that needs to be dealt with. This is, oh, God, 20 years ago. So, yeah, this is shit that I was saying when I was 17, 18 years old. I didn't see, well, I, I, I, I don't find that, you know, it's weird. Like, I'm, I'm sitting here and it's almost like I'm outside my body. I don't know how better to say it, folks, because I'm sitting here and I'm like, what have I, what have I done to my, you know, like, you think about it. Yeah.

Ron McLean, Don Cherry Michael Boudoir Talking Talking exorcisms I'm sorry You were talking with Brett Kessel the other day And I was like Oh that's really like

No I didn't realize that you had him coming on And then I'm listening I already contacted you by the time that came up And then I heard that I'm like Who am I to sit in that chair He's got some cool people coming in here And I He opened his door for me

All right that's amazing That's really cool. Best we had was a theologian from Washington State, and he wasn't soft around the edges theologian from Washington State. Because I was really worried. I'm going to get some kind of universalist guy because Washington. And I told him, I'm like, hey man, like,

if we agree on firearms, I'm probably going to agree with you on like 90%. And then he pulls out Springfield XD-45 and shows it. I'm like, of course. Okay, no, now I know we're cool. You could say you're a Christian, and we'll probably disagree on a lot but you show me your pro gun I'm like okay we've got like 90% to go done so yeah no the people you've had on is really impressive like I I'm blown

away yeah I I don't know maybe it'll maybe it'll be able to change in time I'm sure all things will change in time and and who comes through the door will will change with that but I don't know it's that call to adventure I trust I trust you know it wasn't until you know this is why it's so funny to talk about this all over again dear god um but i i i mean i came back from ottawa and it's it's part way through it's probably last i don't know we're in the september it's got to be the start of this

year it's got to be the start of this year roughly i i made the the deal i came back i started reading the bot like i i remember the day i found god like i mean i just i yeah what a shock you know I just decided to pray for once and not be like superficial about it. You know, like, you know, and like this isn't a strange thing to say aloud. Yeah. I'm just more comfortable, I think, the more times I say it. But like, I had Don Cherry on.

Yeah. And in his story, he literally says he gets down on his knees and prays. And three months later, he's coaching Bobby Orr. And for some reason, in that interview, I just like glaze a pause across that all the time. Like, I know. I know. I know. Whatever.

Whatever. Whatever. Happenstance. Yeah, that's not a big deal. Like, whatever. You were a good coach and that's why you got the job. But when you think about it and Don Cherry, one of the, you know, like, fall from grace because of him saying you people, watch your milk and honey. I stand by the world went to shit when Don Cherry got canceled.

Because it was open season. Yeah. He was one part of the ying yin, yang, if you would. And when they on Remembers Day of All Days, folks, boom, boof, done. open season. The reason I'm telling the story is I remember just the first time I ever went, you know what, I need to pray. Like I was nervous.

I was like, I need some help here. What a weird position to be in because I was in no physical threat. This was not like I'm surrounded by 12 folks and they got guns and knives. This is straight on something I cannot control. This is the exorcism you're talking about, except not exorcism, but like it's the same realm. That's the realm we're talking about. Yeah, yeah.

And it's this realm that, you know, you're crazy for talking about, except we're going to normalize that. You know, if anything is going to get normalized in this 2020. The shit they're normalizing right now and then they're scoffing at Christians. I'm like, what the hell are you guys talking about? Like, how can you do that? I'm going to steal, I'm stealing their word right now. Like, I'm going to normalize the shit out of the weird stuff going on. Yeah.

We're going to normalize some of it because I got down, prayed like I've never prayed before. Yeah. And immediately I'm like, oh, okay. Like I'm not seeing a voice in my head I'm just exactly what's going on right now I can just feel it I'm like okay all right

And the next day prayed again put me at ease and since then you're asking the reason I'm telling this long winding story is you're asking why I brought you on

I pray about all the things all the time something is just like yeah I think you should have more all right let's do it I don't know what to me that is the call until the adventure of life is like okay Like, I'm, some days I'm guiding this thing.

And other days, I am holding on to a bullet train just trying to, you know, see if I can keep up. Yeah. And you've already laid down in the first 10 minutes. I'm like, well, we are in for a wild ride. Well, that's the thing. Like, I realize that we're kind of short on time. And I'm like, shit, I got to figure out how much. But at the same time, you don't want to be pushing it.

Like, it's weird because you want to, I want to put forth the best step to both promote my podcast. because I think we're doing something important. That's the thing. I do believe in what I'm doing. Like we did a talk on ecumenicalism on this last one that we tried to release and it failed. So I got to re-release it here. Ecu-whatanism? Ecumenicalism.

I don't even know what that is. So it's the idea of a, there was an ecumenical council in the 300 AD church where they would decide what is doctrine and what is faith or what is to be considered part of Christian faith. And then we look at the entire span of Catholicism, Protestantism, and all the religions that are out there now, it's like, wouldn't ecumenical counsel have any effect anymore? And if they did have an effect, would it be a good thing? Would it be good for us to be united with the orthodoxy, even though they believe in Virgin Mary being almost borderline deified? Anyway, so we had this great conversation. We're doing something important here.

We're having conversations that other people would love to hear, but they're so bored to tears half. way into it. Like, these are great conversations and people are like, yeah, but I'm bored because it's a couple scholars that are sitting there, well, if you look at the book of the apostles, what he said, and it's like, I don't want to, I don't want to listen to that. Yeah, I want to make something that other people like me would want to listen to. Why not? Why not?

And I'm a blue-collar guy. I work on a pipeline. Yesterday, literally yesterday, I was in the middle of a field, worried about bears. I'm like, and I'm working with this guy from Ontario. Like, green is grass. And I'm like, you ever worked around bears? He's like, I'm sorry, what? And I'm like, yeah, bears.

Like, he's like, no. Are there bears or are here? I'm like, yeah, yeah, probably. I've seen a few. It's not a big deal. And I got so scared. So that's where I was at yesterday. I'm pipelining.

I work with degenerates. And yes, pipeliners are degenerates and the world needs those people. I love them. They're great. but yeah I'm a blue collar guy doing something that I feel is important because I'm reaching out to people that and the thing is the blue collar perspective really helps because you're not getting some guy who's just reading a ton of books no you're getting a guy who loves motorcycles we did a huge motorcycle review on the newest tarleys so great have you watched so a what I would say I'm going to address it one time the thing about time is funny sure certainly today we are on limited time yeah fair enough but the thing

thing is, is we'll have you back. Yeah. Like, I'm not worried about it, you know. If people, let's put it this way. If the audience goes, never bring that guy back ever again, I'll be like, you know, didn't see that coming, you know, like, I didn't realize we did anything that wrong. Yeah. I don't, I don't feel that already because I'm having fun. So it's like, if they go listen to mine, they might say that. It's, it is really rough around. Like, they'll be like, you're not a Christian. Well, the thing is, is like, to me, I like interesting conversation. If I'm having fun and we get to do it in person

at the studio, man, I tell you what, like I'm not saying I'll put anyone... That's why I waited. I waited until I knew I was going to be around. Like, it's in a while. So to me, it's like, don't worry about time. Let's talk about what's pertinent and something's going to strike later down the... I can already feel it. I'm all right. Well,

we'll do it again. It's not the end of the world. Well, my bro, my bro, my bro, my bro, kickstand that I do it with. He's like, I'm really jealous. So kickstand the next time, because you got a cool name I mean obviously I got my hair cut so me too so this is funny I've been getting my haircut by women for my entire life I've had maybe a man a man cut my hair like maybe once oh really like and I always thought it's kind of kind of weird no I prefer a woman

I got a massage on Monday for my haircut so I was in the States and I'm gonna need a haircut now I'm wife's from Minnesota and I said oh there's this barber shop down the road that I've never noticed before she's like oh why don't you go get it there So I call. I said, hey, any chance to get it? Yeah, just walk in. Okay, sweet. Walk in. Big black guy. And he's like, you Sean? And I'm like, yep, I don't know. I'm like kind of feeling a little tibut. And I'm like, ooh. And he goes, come on with me. And his name was Slice. He was a fucking cool. He was freaking a gem. He spent an hour on my head. I've never had a haircut last longer than what, 28 minutes, folks. Like men know what I'm talking about. It's like, did, what do you want? Okay,

did it. He spent a cut, cut cut, cut, get out of here. He spent an hour. He spent an hour. on my hair. Oh, wow. And I told him what I wanted, and I don't think I knew what it exactly meant until it was done. Like he was, he was like, he was like, this was his passion. Yeah. Like, I can't wait to get back to the States next summer so I can get sliced to cut my hair again. That's how good it was. He got like a $20 tip for me because I'm like, this was a freaking cool. Yeah. I'm like, I can't believe I've never done this before. Yeah. And I changed my entire perspective on, on, on haircuts. So Slice, maybe I'll put him on the podcast some point, but kickstand. And you're welcome to come next time.

I'm sure we could kick it. I'm sure we could kick it with kick stand. The thing is he's close by too. We're both living Fort St. John. And he went to... You both live in Fort St. John? We both live in Fort St. John. What the heck are you doing down this way?

I actually have a wedding. I got to MC tomorrow. So I drove all the way from Fort St. John to Gee, tiny little village. Hamlet, not even a village. And I drove from Guy to here. And then tonight I'm actually going to be driving to Saskatoon. I have a friend there who's getting married.

And she asked a while ago, What makes a great wedding reception? I'm like, good MC, because I've been to weddings with bad MC. 100%. And it's so painful. And I'm like, get a good MC. And she's like, I have no friends that are good on the microphone. And I'm like, fuck.

If you need me to do it, I'll do it. Because like I said, it makes or breaks a wedding. Actually, a good MC makes it breaks pretty much every event under the sun. Yeah. And I've done a few. I actually did one recently where there was all kinds of people. But we had bikers, we had people from the LGBT community, we had Christians, we had gangsters, like all kinds of people at this wedding. And some of my family, and I did it.

And halfway, no, about three quarters through. I went outside, you know, just hang out, get my breath, get cool air. And this girl comes up to me, she's like, if I ever get married, will you MC my wedding? And I'm like, okay, I'm doing something good here. But I drink and I drink and talk on a microphone for fun. This is what I do. So I can drink a bourbon. I love bourbon.

Scotch is great and everything, but my go-to is a bullet. Well, next time... No, no, no. You're a scotch guy. I love scotch. I'm trying to think of what I got in that little corner. I might have some bourbon for you. Ooh, I like bourbon.

Anyway, so I... Keep talking. Yeah, yeah. So I realize that it makes or breaks it. I tell my friend, I'm like, I will emcees. your wedding for you. I will come up there. I'll make it work. And so I actually had to take time off work. Is that a Kenworth? Oh, Woodford. Yeah, yeah. I'll get, I don't want to rush this one. I don't. I love, I love bourbon. People bring me like, I don't, it may surprise people,

or maybe it doesn't. I don't sit in the podcast studio and a birch go on and drink. Like, I'm like, that's really a weird. People probably think we do that on the blue color. It was like, are you a drunkard? I'm like, no, I really only drink it mostly well. I'll have a beer and night but on my like for the podcast but when somebody drive i'm like do i need to drink no i actually don't no but when somebody drives i didn't realize how far you got i didn't realize fort st john man i used do that hockey road trip we used to play that in the ram you played the huskies and all that rural albertah midget hockey league i know midget is a taboo word these days u18 is better but back in the day we used to play in the rural albara midget hockey league and we used to go to fort st john for

two games and hit grand prairie for a game and then come home yeah that used to be the road trip it was awful. You'd leave it six in the morning from here, drive all the way there, play a game, awful. Wake up the next day, play a game, drive to Grand Prairie, play a game, come home. It was like, oh man, anyways. But anytime somebody shows up, so if anyone,

you know, any of the guests listening, and you want to have a drink with me, it's not enough to just show up. You bring me something. I'm like, no, I feel obligated. It's like, oh, dang it, okay. That's why I brought two bottles, because I'm like, I want to leave you one, but I want to take one with me so I can share with my brothers, too. And I love this one. It's so

good and it just grows hair on your balls. It's got some nice smoke to it. I got enough hair everywhere. I'm like part bear. I look like George St. Pierre. Like my arms are hairy and that's it. You got nothing else? No, I'm very bare. How old are you? I am turning 39 here next month. Oh, so it's a smidge older than me then. It's just a smidge. 37. 37. Okay, all right. Yeah, no, I'm very young looking for four kids and everything, but I, you know, more, more, more than anything, a healthy living. I don't eat stupid. I don't...

I actually lost a lot of weight. My wife hates me right now. She's, because she's had four kids. It's harder on women than it is on guys. I'm just walking a lot. I'm not working out. I'm not doing anything crazy. I'm going to Jiu-Jitsu once in a while.

And I'm losing weight, so she's like, fuck you. So where are you originally from that? I, I... That's the thing. I'm not originally from anywhere. You're a gypsy. I am a gypsy. My father was a pastor.

We started... When I was born, Ontario, Dryden, Ontario to be more specific, Dryden area. And then we moved to... That's a good place in my heart, do you know? Yeah, yeah. They had a guy from the St. Louis Blues that actually... Chris Pronger, and you know where I played three years?

No way, really? Drodden, Ontario. Really? Yes. That's crazy. The town stinks. It smells horrible. Well, I mean, I mean, it's...

But it's got a place. It's a pulp mill, right? Yeah. It's an industry town. Yep. And people go to work at the mill, and that's what it is. But my, like, I lived three years with the lanes. So shut out if they ever listen.

to this. Yeah. I don't know how much they stay on top of what I do, but at the same time, like, to take me into their house, live there three years, spent three years in dread. Yeah. I mean, it was a interesting place, but like loved it. Like loved, loved the people there. And yeah, and there's some great lakes around there with Canora nearby and all that stuff. Well, canora, I mean, like, I remember the big, the big story back, a Lake of the Woods back then was Ed Belfour had his house on an island out there somewhere and I'm like, I'd love to just like tour around and find that place, you know. So yeah, I was. born in Ontario, then we moved to Saskatchewan, Nippewan.

And then we moved to McLean and High Prairie area. And then we moved back to Saskatchewan for like four or five years. And then we moved to Prince Albert for a few years. And then we moved all the way to Quebec to be missionaries. First off, before we get into Quebec and missionary thing, because that sounds fascinating. Yeah, yeah. Did you hate it? Which moving around?

Yeah. I was too young. The worst, the move that I hated more than anything was the one. from Prince Albert to Quebec. Because I was in my prime of I was becoming cool. I was becoming accepted in my friend's circles. How old were you when you moved? About 15.

Oh, yeah. So when you're like 9, 8, 9, it's not a big deal to move from whatever town you're into the next one because you're like, oh, well, we're moving. This is what I was kind of used to at that point. We just kind of move once in a while. And the shithole town that we were in at Punish High Saskatchewan to go to Prince Albert, I wouldn't say it was a step up because I don't know if you've been to PA, but it's a rough town.

It's a rough town. And I lived on the rough end of town. I got beat up, well, I got a mouth on me, so that probably didn't help me at the time. Helps me now. But yeah, but moving from there when I was coming into my own, then moving to Quebec, I'm like, no, I don't want this. I do not want this.

But, yeah, my parents are like, you move there. You be there for a couple years. If you want to move back when you're old enough, you go ahead. and then I kind of came into my own there. You become friends. You figure out what you like, what you don't like. I got into metal music. I got into socialist circles.

My friends are all like commies. They were anyways. And so you just kind of, you grow up a little bit. And then I got into drinking when I turned 18, 19 years old. And all my money went to alcohol and bills. Like anything that didn't cover my bills went to alcohol. Because you're young and dumb, 18, 19 years old. And I had a conviction of my heart to stop doing what I'm doing.

doing and move out west. My brother moved out west and my brother moved to Fort St. John before I did. And I thought he was going to die. I'm like, good knowing you. Like I'm at peace with death sometimes. My wife hates it. And we were there as missionaries and my brother came out here to Fort St. John and he's like, Mike, you got to come.

And for some reason I felt like God telling me. It's like, go. I'm like, what the hell? Up until that point, I am really careful. curious about this. You know, you're talking about being basically an alcoholic. Yeah, borderline alcoholic, for sure. You're 18, you're 19. Like, have you found God at that point? Oh, yeah. I was born and raised in the church. My dad was a pastor. I know. But that's the thing. I was engaged with it. I was born. I was born of the scripture. I knew everything about it. The true test of faith was when I did make that step to Fort St. John.

Because at that point, I was moving with my parents. I was moving with my social circles. Social circles. and it was always engaged with church. When I moved to Fort St. John, I had a choice. What kind of man? What kind of person am I going to be in this moment? I really could be anything I want. And I'm like, do you know what? I love this.

I love my church. I love church. And so I came, but the thing is I came from Quebec, very cultured, very intellectually based ideas, even though I'm not, I wasn't an intellectual, because I was a dropout. but I thought that I was more than I was. And I was like, I'm going to show these people how to do church.

And just very pride and proudful. And my dad was like, who do you think you are? And he really put me in my place. Because he came up for a visit and we had this talk. And I'm like, I'm going to show these people are so primitive. They say you betcha. When somebody said you betcha to me, I'm like, sorry, say again. And now I'm like, no, no, maybe you humble yourself a little bit.

So where were they saying you betcha in Quebec? In Fort St. John. So when you came to Fort St. John, you got on. your high horse and I know how to do things. I know how to do things. And I got to choose what kind of person I'd be. I'm like, I'm going to show these people. And then I realized, no, I need to shut the fuck up.

I need to humble myself and be like, maybe there are things I don't know because I'm, oh, how old is I? That was 2006. And, uh, yeah. So when I moved there, I had to really check myself and be like, I make no money. I went there to make money and I went during the breakup season. So I'm already dumb. and learning.

Yeah, learning. At the time it was dumb. And yeah, I'm like, I really don't know anything, but for some reason I'm on this high horse thinking that I do. And so my father, he checked me pretty good. He's like, no, you're here to learn. You're here to become the person that you're going to be. And I had choices to make, how do I want to be remembered?

What do I want to do? So I got into hockey, I got into MMA, I got into motorcycles and all that. In all that, I met my wife when I was fighting. I tell people I am my wife's rebellious stage because she's a great, beautiful, smart, Christian girl. Same thing as me, born and raised in a Christian home. Second child out of four kids. And I'm her rebellious stage because I was cage fighting at the time.

And she'd kiss me while I came out of the ring, half covered in blood, just woke up. And yeah, it was, you get to choose what kind of person. And I think when I moved to Fort St. John, that's when I really chose my face. And I was running Bible studies in my high school. When I went to high school, I'm like, oh, we're going to come back to be missionaries? Cool, let's do this.

And I started a Bible study in my school of 900 kids. And I'm like, no, I'm going to do Bible studies. And so as my parents were being missionaries, I was being a missionary. I didn't like it, but at the same time, what else are going to be? You know, we have like completely opposite stories. Because you go like, I'm like, oh, did you find, you know, you're like, oh, no, I always know. I'm like, really? You always knew?

Yeah. But you turn to drinking and everything else. Meanwhile, in the Bible, it talks about drunkenness and all these things. And you turn into that. I'm like, well, Jordan Peterson says that it's not that which will destroy us, or that which we don't know that will destroy us, but that which we know the most. So I knew what was right and I knew what was wrong. And I'm like, you think you're above the rule, especially at 18, 19 years old. You think you're above it because you think you're safe.

I even think now, I'm like, I am safe. I have figured everything out. Do you think I'm safe enough to not destroy my life right now? Could I not go cheat on my wife and just tear it all down? You're never safe. And in that moment, I was safe. Or at least I thought I was. And then when I realized it's like, no, you're never safe.

You're never one step away from destroying everything you have. I like, anyways, that's what I think about because I'm a really boring person. I don't think it's boring at all. Yeah, but I hang out with rig pigs and stuff like that and pipelinesers. And then I speak about, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to speak over their head. I'll just talk about things that I find interesting. And they're like, what if there were sharks that were tiny?

And I'm like, yeah, all right, cool. I don't know how to respond to some people, and they don't know how to respond to me. Yeah, well, I did have a kid say that to me last week. I was like, what if sand mites were sharks? And I'm like, I don't find. I got to find it because I was talking to Jack. Jack's a guy who edits Jack's the guy who edits my episodes right now.

I'm sorry, Jack. You're going to get all the shit, ton to do on this one. We don't edit on ours, by the way. Well, in fairness, we don't edit a whole lot either. That's good. I mean, like, I mean, when I say edit, he's probably editing like high lows of the volume.

The start and end, if I have you say a couple things. The UMaz or the death. No, no, no, no. Nothing like that. No, no. This is, like, this is, let me be very clear to the listener. We don't edit anything from the conversation unless it's virtual and the audio drops, the video drops and things like that where you actually stop. We try and take that out.

Okay. The starts and ends usually because usually I'll flick the mics on and there's a few minutes or seconds or whatever it is of like where nothing's going on. You pull that. And at the end, usually, see, and now, what unbelievable. My camera on me just died. So now it's the camera. on me it's all on him folks he he gets it and jacks like where did the camera go i'm like i don't know internal high temp it's like i just i just slipped the bird to the camera and now i feel bad

because i'm like it's all me here's here's here's uh this is the guy i was talking to right as right as you walked in it's steam holmstrom okay the oil patch pulpit oh yeah yeah okay so anyways i picked up his book because i had a weird night we could get into that if you want but it it it It doesn't matter. I picked up his book. The weird night led to me picking up his book. And then I text him about a weird word, and that's why we were talking. And the word was wet.

Yeah. Wet your appetite. How would you spell it? W-E-T. Yeah, right. And that's what I said. It's W-H-E-T. Wet, your appetite.

Wet, wet. Wet. I add the H just to make sure that I'm like, everyone knows. I'm not saying the regular. Anyways, I was like, what? And I looked it up with the computer. Anyways, that's not what I sent to Jack. What I sent to Jack, me and Jack were having a conversation.

I heard a peek of it and I'm like oh I want to have this conversation so so so the conversation I was having Jack was earlier today yeah when I had asked and this comes from a conversation we'd had like probably a week and a half ago I said would you ever move to Lloydminster lives in St. Louis Missouri yes oh wow he's like probably not and I'm like I give you a million dollars he's like and he thinks about it yeah probably not and I'm like oh I like you like and anyways and so then we got talking today out-said conversation because I said I really respect a young guy yeah and the fact that you already know that it's really cool right and he goes yeah there's probably some scripture about it

because me and him have been going back and forth he's like why do you believe it so much I'm like and so we have this like weird conversation going because he's a smart kid yeah and I call him a kid and he's a young adult he's 22 23 in my book it's a kid yeah you know but regardless anyways I open up to Steve holmstrom where I'm going with this I open up and I said he'd asked there's probably some scripture about it. It says, for what is a man profited if he gains the whole world

and loses or forfeits himself? Yeah. And that's, what is it? It's Luke. Oh, John, I don't know. Where am I going here? A better man than me would know exactly what is. Yeah, Luke chapter nine.

And I'm like, I just started laughing. I'm like, you know, some days you just have it where it just, this is what happened. You know, and you're like, yeah, whatever. But it's like that's my thought right now. No matter where the podcast goes. Yeah.

When I talk about the roller coaster this thing has been because it ups, downs, weird turns. Yeah. Everybody loves you. Everybody, not everybody hates you. Certainly the audience. Oh, so many people hate you. That's the thing.

It's like politics. True. True. I couldn't imagine getting into politics. Half the world hates you all the time. I thought about it. I'm like, oh, I could get to politics. But, you know, I talk too much.

Or not enough. I don't know. But half the world hates you no matter what you do. They could be like completely for you, completely against you. And they just hate you. I'm like, and the world's going to do the same thing with, with podcasts. Or they just don't care because I've met a lot of people lately. It's like, I don't do the podcast.

But it's a very niche thing. And there's a funny thing. We think we've reinvented the wheel when it comes to a podcast. It's talk radio, but you can download. It's been happening for years. Talk radio put on a platform that everybody has in their pocket. Yeah. I can take anywhere so they can access it anywhere.

Yeah. And we've taken away the need to be so politically correct. Yep. So it's open. For now? For now. I agree. Until the Canada government starts telling you to shut up.

I would, I'd be curious to go back and listen to like original radio coverage and see how it was when they first were on the airwaves. And if they had a couple of a couple of blue collar philosophers, right? Like, I mean, I wonder if that's what it was. Like, I don't know. One thing, you know, with that passage is, That's the one thing I have figured out. No matter where this thing goes, if it goes nowhere, if it stays here, if it goes anywhere,

if I lose my family, it ain't worth it. So you can offer me a billion dollars tomorrow. Yeah. But they don't agree or they don't come or I lose them along the way, it ain't worth it. It just ain't. And that's what the passage is all about, right? Like if you lose yourself in the pursuit of money, it ain't worth it. Because your dark days are ahead.

Well, it's the same thing when I was in the motorcycle. club. It was the idea that if your wife is not with you on this, you're not going to last. You're not going to make it. You need your wife to be on the same page on board. She needs to be there with you doing this, whether or not she has a say on how it, how shit goes. If you're trying to do it on your own, you, you forfeit that part of you, it goes real bad, real quick. So, I'm going to grab the bourbon. It's, it's funny that, you know, that doesn't, like, it's, it's, so. Some people think that's a profound thought.

No. But I think it's such a simple thought. And what I keep learning as I get older, because I certainly do not know everything. I'm not even remotely close to knowing everything. Listen, I just picked up the Bible for the first time. Certainly, I picked it up before. More, not forced, that's not the right word. I picked it up before, but it meant nothing.

It's like I didn't see anything that made any sense. And now I pick it up. I'm into, I just finished Galatians. so I'm into Ephesians. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm still like profoundly shocked at some of the sentences in that book where I'm like, that is a profound thought. Right.

Why the heck did I overlook this thing for so bloody long? Like it's been around for 2,000 years and people like, oh, it's just a book. I'm like, I'm sorry. They have founded entire nations upon this just a book. And it's like, oh, but it was for power. I'm like, yeah, but it had to mean something. There had to be something worth putting it on. and it's not just a book.

Everyone tries to disregard. It's like, oh, it was telephone up until. No, it was a Bible written. I think it was six different languages over 1,500 years, and they call back to each other unintentionally. You ever hear the,

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Jesus said it. A lot of people's like, oh, why did he say that? Oh, why did you say that? It's from Psalms. I believe the Psalms are Proverbs, where it's a,

I wish I had a better memory. And it's a call. back to an earlier scripture that the Pharisees would have known. So when he said, my God, my God, why have you just forsaken me? And you look back at the original text of the scripture, he talks about his hands being nailed. He talks about being crucified, like the ultimate sacrifice. It was a callback. It was not for us today.

It was for the Pharisees of the time to see. It's like, look, the scripture said it would happen. This is how it said it would happen. And they disregard it. It's like, oh, it's just a book. I'm like, shut up. I'm sorry, I get really mad about some things. I mean, I like humility, and people need to calm themselves and maybe just have a conversation and talk to people you disagree with.

That's why the Will Smith guy I was talking about earlier, he's a pansexual liberal. He is not. Yes, he is. And we have him on the podcast all the time. We disagree fervently. But what does he think? But, finish your butt. But he believes in good conversation.

He believes in one-on-one. He doesn't believe in just being on a court. Have you had him on to talk with the one million march for children? No, not yet. We don't do the daily or the every other day that you do. We do once a week. I would have more often because again, we disagree. We disagree fervently. He believes, but he has no kids. Like I'm like, you don't have kids. You're not in the same. What the hell is pansexual even though? They're attracted to people. It's like a extreme buy You're like I don't care of your trans I don't care if you're this So he's attracted to a trans person He's attracted to anything He's a people As long as they're people

Not again he's got a line He's not the whole kid thing He's not that far He's not the maps What are the minor attractive people He's not on that But they're people They are people

Hmm Again I disagree with him But I love him Do you know how I knew him? I love him? I love him I met him when I first started BJJ when I first got into Jiu. So he's a pansexual who does BJJ? He used to be.

He doesn't do it anymore. I'd say, but I love him. I do love him and I care about him. Bring Kikstan and Will Smith, and let's get this place rocking. Yeah, like I said, Kikstand really wanted to be here. And the conversation goes different directions with him as well, because he is converted. Because he's pansexual as well? No.

He's East Orthodox. He came from a Christian upbringing, Mennonite Christian upbringing, to now be a Eastern Orthodox. And that's quite a transition. I don't know a little bit. I don't. The Russian Orthodox, you know a little bit about Russian Orthodox?

You ever seen Fiddler on the roof? Yes. Yeah, you know the scary guy in the robe at the end of the movie? Yes. Yeah, he's in that kind of thing. I'd say kind of thing, because I don't really know. Let's put it this way. I had a pastor on.

He called out all of Catholicism. He said, you're basically... So you have my dad on, that's interesting. So it was like, I stepped on a landmine, and it blew up, except for once, I'm like, I don't even know what landmine I stepped on. It didn't bother me one bit.

People, to the audience, I want to be very clear, all the texts were wonderful. People were fired up, and I love it. So I got to, well, by the time this airs, I've had somebody in the Catholic faith has been, is coming on, to, like, not refute it, but just like, let's talk about this. Yeah. Catholics think they got it right. This person says he got it right.

Who's got it right? Because I'm walking into this thing, and I'm like, listen, I don't like any of you. Yeah. Where were you all the last three years when shit was going down and you all went, we got a mask. We can't, we can't wear the, we can't, we can't sing, we can't do anything. And yet you got the ultimate guy on your side and you're going to let these guys push you around. I'm like, I don't get it. You got to talk to my dad. You got to have my dad on. He's the same thing.

My father, great man. I love him. He will be clean. He will be articulate. He's a little bit on the, I know what I'm talking about. And he does. But I disagree with him in some areas. But because. But disagreement isn't, isn't, you know, it's fair. It's good disagreement. What's the saying, folks, about profit. You know, profit shouldn't be a dirty word in business. Disagreement shouldn't be a dirty word in faith or in anything. Yeah.

We're trying to understand. I'm walking in. Right now, it's like, well, what church should you go to? I'm like, I don't. And that's a swear world. I'm like, well, listen, I ain't just picked up the book and I just got to grab a church tomorrow. Yeah. The big guy is going to, I hope it's going to help along.

But at the end of the day, I hope grace is the thing because I fucking need it. Because I just look at it and I go, I'm just not going to slide into anything. The last three years have taught me a lot. And, you know, and then one face calling out the other one. I'm like, all right, well, let's have them on. And then we're going to do that. And then I have no idea where this is going because I'm like,

I just entered into what, 100 upon 100 year basically a pissing match between different people of the same faith and it's like oh that's gonna be fun it's like oh you wait until i have a muslim on here and they start talk because they're great i love muslims well i tell you what at the million person march million march four children yeah we yeah wonderful people i'm like so why are we why are we hate these people again i'm like yeah i don't get this i used to work at this place a big giant multi-billion dollar organization i'm not gonna say where because fuck those guys anyways i used to work with a couple muslim guys there and uh they were like they had their beards because they can have it or they were just really great guys. I love them.

And they're like, all right, brown guys unite. And they put their hands in the middle like, you know, like the go team kind of thing. And then they look at me, I'm like, oh, do I get in on this? Because we were just that cool. We could have conversations. And that's what I love. Same thing with having Will on. I love the guy. And we can have conversations that disagree, fight about literally. I've had people almost try and knock me out from across the table because, you know, a couple drinks in. They get a little too out of hand. and these are fighters.

Not like, oh, yeah, you disagree. It's like, no, these are fighters. They settle things with their fists. So they were yelling at me. And I'm like, relax, let's just have a conversation here. And it went good. But at the same time, we can disagree with these people and have great conversations because now you get to hear my side and their side,

and you decide which you think is more correct. It's not even more correct. It helps you formulate your own thoughts. Because if you don't hear the pansexuals thoughts, because, like, I, you know, I'm looking, you know, we all tease about it, maybe joke. I don't know. What's the proper word these days, folks?

There's one. You look at the, you look at the LGBT, 2SL, IAP, I think it is now, plus community. And you're like, at what point does it stop? Yeah. So you got a pansexual on your show and I'm like, that sounds interesting. His name's Will Smith, White Will Smith. It's like, that sounds interesting. And he's, and again, I'm not speaking ill of the guy because I love him.

No, no, no, no. I think he's great. I just don't want anyone to. misconstrued what I'm saying. I'm like, no, I disagree with him, but I love this guy. Well, he's open to having a conversation. Yeah, and he has good conversations, and we disagree. He's a socialist. I'm a capitalist to the core. I don't believe in democracy per se, because I like what America is doing. I don't like the system that we have in Canada, because at least in America, you're getting what you hate or what you like. You're not getting a watered down version of a bunch

of people who disagree on little things. Like, you're diluting your vote, everything. time you do so. Anyways, that rabbit trail horribly. It's really bad. Anyways, you can have these conversations and disagree on so much. But at the same time, it's like, cheers, man, can't wait to have you back on. It's none of this fighting to the point where you're not going to. I equate it to senior hockey, or maybe just hockey in general. You can hate an opponent. Like, I have hated opponents. And don't get me wrong. Can you cross the line? Yes, there are people across the line. There are some things you can do in hockey folks that you probably never come back from. Yeah. But most things, even a fight, you can come back from sitting in the bar. I don't know

how many small towns I've sat in where the guy comes in and you have a beer together and you have a couple laughs. Yeah. Does he is your best friend? It doesn't have to be your best friend. You can still be amicable and have a conversation. Yeah. Well, you have a common center. Your common center is hockey. Yeah. And you both love to win. Yeah. And you're going to do anything to win. Yeah. And you're playing for something that is a game but feels like more than a game. Yeah. And in today's world, you know, I'm fascinated by this idea of a pansexual name Will Smith on your show. Like, I mean, if that doesn't tune a few people in, I don't know what will, because like here I...

And it sounds clickbaity too. I'm like, we got Will Smith. Technically, 100% true. Technically. It's like the Washington Capitol is having Jim Carrey as a goalie back in the day. You know, it's like, Jim Carrey's playing goalie. if that doesn't clickbait, you know? Yeah.

It's interesting because you need to get, including myself, I've been trying to get, I have been very unsuccessful in this. I've been trying to get, I tried to get reached out to Ryan Jesperson because I'm like, you know what? Ryan Jesperson. Eminton? He does a talk show podcast now. And he is very, like I listen to him and I'm, I want to beat him with a mic some days.

I'm just like, but I do it because. because I'm like maybe I'm wrong yeah maybe I have everything wrong and I can't do it all the time because it like stirs such emotion in yeah but I listen to him I'm like you pompous prick how about you find out some of the other things going on but I'm sure if you listen to me he'd go you pompous prick how about you find out some of the other and like you can understand he's speaking to his audience I'm speaking to mine yeah and here we are the other one is is the guy that he has on lots of times is um the old guy why am I forgetting his name now folks Charles Adler okay yeah right like like the

Like, he, he was iconic when I was growing up. I was just listened to him all the time on the radio. And now his views, I'm like, I'm not saying he's wrong in some of them. Some of them, like, I think, you know, when he, when he criticizes, uh, look at that. Both, both cameras go out. Good, good. I don't need no, I don't got, no cameras for anyone. I have a fucking face for radio for a reason.

That is the, you know, we, we changed some settings to try and make file sizes longer. Jack, that's, that's, that's, now we got a new problem. Do you know how hard it was for me to actually get here? I had everything. going wrong. The kids like, oh, we just stopped to get a bathroom break. Oh, fine. And we got this canopy thing that got on top of a roof, it flashes open while we're driving down the

highway, and I'm like, oh, I'll just strap it down with a strap. Well, that strapped in and hold because the fun clip failed. Everything went wrong for me to get you. I'm like, maybe I wasn't supposed to be here. So you weren't supposed to be here. Or something's fighting me from being here. Oh, that's fair. Well, I mean, I mean... Who knows?

I had a wild night last night. Oh, really? Oh, man. I don't know I even know if I want to share the story online We can share it after We can just talk about that shit after But I I'm there is a person that I've been trying to get on

Who? You would Hmm I'm debating We can Nah fuck it Do you know who Gagins is? Yeah David Gagins

He's in my neighborhood What I've seen him I've gotten waves from him I got friends that got photos with him He's in my neighborhood Off not kidding

and his team's like oh he doesn't do podcasts anymore but they don't want me telling him where the whole like I've seen my neighborhood from some of his videos not kidding I've seen this guy around

I was on a job I was on my way to a job and the guy that I'm working with calls me up he's like did you see that guy jogging I'm like David fucking gogging I'm like he's right in he's literally a block away

from my in-laws place I know people who are training with him because he's doing the smoke shop shit. Yeah, I'm calling you out because I want to have you on my podcast. I want to talk about your philosophy. What kind of, who do you associate with? Because there's nobody out there like you. And yeah, I'm not going to be like you because there is nobody like you. But how do you get into that mindset? Anyways, I want him on my podcast and he's right there. I'm one person disconnected. I know I am because I know smoke jumpers in my area. And he's right there. And I just fucking go ask him.

I know, but I don't see him at the right time. I never seen him at the right time. To hell are we talking about, right? It's like saying Joe Rogan lives a block away from it, but he says he doesn't do pockets. Fuck that, man. You live right beside me? I'm coming to ask.

I'm hoping that people are going to be like, what do you mean he's in this town? And I'm like, yeah, he's here. He is. You know what I? Everyone knows it. That's the thing. Everybody knows he's there.

I want to make a road trip. Yeah, you want to make a road trip. I'll just drive around until you see him. I'll ask him. You know, you know, and Brock Lesner lives in Manitoba. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, but he does, he wants to be off the grid too. And I'm like, well, I respect that.

But you come live in Canada. And we've got a problem right now. Let's talk about the problem we got. The problem we got is we got all these bills from the fucking government saying that they are going to censor the shit out of us. So you're going to come live here, okay, and hide out. And then you're not going to help the independent media that's trying to give you everything you want to live here. Bull freaking crap. All right.

It's time to suck it up, David Goggins and Brock Lesner. and whoever else is hiding out here because this socialist, communist thing going on is insane and they're like, oh, but I don't do anything. It's like, well, how about you help a brother out and boost him so that people can find him and he can support himself and we can get this thing rocking and rolling instead of staring at Joe Rogan

and trying to be like, Joe Rogan's going to save Can I? He can't. Well, here's the thing. Okay, here's something that I've really noticed and I really hate. I get really angry about this. I listen to a local radio station. I listen to the country music.

I listen to metal. I listen to everything. But when it comes to just in town, I listen to country music. And the radio station is actually putting forth this thing. If you want news because big tech is censoring us, I'm like, I'm sorry. Big tech hasn't fucking moved. Canada changed the rules.

Canada said, hey, we want our wet two. We want our part. I understand. And then the big tech is like, no. Who changed? Did the Canada government change or did the big tech change? Because big Canada, like Canada said, no, we want to get our part. and they said, you're too small of a market.

And now we're getting a single source of news. And if you talk about news, I'm sorry. But them trying to weaponize big tech against us or us against it, I'm sorry. I hate to say it. I'm on big tech side on this one. Well, I mean, Canada is trying to find money for a dying industry because they suck. Oh, they're so bad. Like I just watched a video on the million, one million march for children.

and it was a woman being interviewed by CBC and they filmed it and she said we're going to release our version and I hope you do too and it's her story of her niece and the Soji stuff out in BC and she was a lesbian and on and on it went and people

can find it if they just look on Twitter it's super easy to find. I'm like and I don't know like that should have been front page news right like this is what Soji's doing yeah this isn't like we're attacking every LGBT person this is like this is insane

and we don't want this. And oh wait, parents want to be in on the conversation. Instead, they get on media. And they're like, these anti-homophobic people were out protesting and they were violent and it was literally called a bigot yesterday. It's like I helped with it in Lloyd. It was a really cool thing. There was 12 people there protesting and roughly 650 to 700 were there for the

protests. So 12 anti-protesters, 650-700 protesters, okay? Young kids, all the way up to grandparents. Yeah. And hence, your parents, they're like, yeah, you're having my son on. I was like, oh, you met them yesterday then? I did. I knew it. You got to have my dad on, man. I'm like, he's a great man. I'm like, I'm having, who am I having on? I'm having a tanner on? Is it Tanner? And they're like, oh, Michael. I'm like, oh my God, yes. Okay. Yeah. I'm like, I, my brain is a little bit,

anyways, my whole point in this. My whole point in this story is media I don't know what they're reporting I don't know how they can come to that yeah and look at all these peaceful families kids running around and then go well it's they they have their you know as they're got the loudspeakers and are trying to incite violence yeah they're literally trying to pull people into arguments over and over and over again yeah and what really pissed me off was towards the end after everything's quieted down and and the march is over and everything's done yeah guy playing music there's nothing going.

There's literally nothing going on at this point. There's just kids playing and people eating hot dogs and burgers and whatever. The guy finally goes, okay, folks, who wants to actually have a conversation? Come ask us their questions. And everybody kind of looks at him and kind of like, I'm not interested. Yeah. Because it's giving a platform. And then he gets mad because nobody will come talk to him.

Oh, nobody wants to come talk to us? And I almost jumped off the stage. I was like, the one thing that almost got me was like, oh, nobody wants to tell you? I'm like, no, when you act like a dick and try and do what you did to a crowd, I don't want to talk to you. You have lost all respect with me. I have zero time for you.

And if you're listening this, I have zero time for you now. Like, you don't get to act that way and then ask for people to have a humble little conversation. That's not the way the world works. Well, bring them into your world. Say, hey, man, you come and sit down and have a conversation and let the world decide who's right here. I won't, and don't edit it.

That's what I don't do. When it comes to Will Smith, who I disagree with fervently, I don't edit it. I'm like, no, we're going to disagree. You can hear my side. You can hear his side. And I got people, I got friends that are like, I just wanted to reach through that radio because you were far too nice because I'm a nice guy. But at the same time, I care about this person and I disagree with him. I'm like, no, this is bad.

This is not good. But see, here's my thing. I want to have people on that I respect. And I know there's, I've had, I've had Shane Holmes, the guy. Guy won't train homes out of Calgary. That's a gay man. Me and him disagreed about some things. But a respectful conversation.

Nice, you know, hammock, like, he was a super nice guy. Oh, yeah. And he even said in the middle of it, like, honestly, what they're doing with the kids is not right. Yeah, like. My kids are homeschooled because of it. And literally pulled three of my kids out. And so, like, I'm good to have anyone sit across.

But when I draw the line is when I know, like, when I see what you did to grandparents and kids around and everything else, you can have, you can have your thoughts on why you think you're right. Yeah. But you're wrong. When 700 people are sitting there, 650, and like, what is going on? Like, this is wild. Uh-uh.

Yeah. I'm not entertaining that. And I'm certainly not giving it a platform. You keep to your back rooms and your dark shadows and whatever else. Get out of here. But there is somebody probably listening this that is like, I'd love to come on and talk. Oh, Garan Keith. I love him come on and talk.

Soji or coming on and talk. Whatever. I'm open to it. But that's exactly it. Like, Will has like, oh, these kids should have some level of understanding. I'm like there's zero research done that says that exposing children to sexual content in early age is good. Zero. All of it says bad.

Every single one of them. There is zero research that says, oh, no, this is a good thing. Mike. It is bad. Do you understand it? I believe I do. I pulled my kids out for a reason. I think about it.

No, no, no. I don't mean. Oh, them, their side. Like, they're like the man becomes a woman. The woman becomes a man. Yep. The transgender. And you understand it.

The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, sexual. to the two-spirited, two, like, there's six different spots, there's what's in the brain, there's what's in the heart, that's what you feel, it's what your parts are, all of it. Yep, I understand where they're coming from.

And what do you think then? I truly believe it is a place of compassion. They are coming from a, we want everyone to feel welcome, we want everyone to feel accepted, we don't want you to have bad feelings, but you don't tell an anorexic person, yeah, you are fucking fat.

No, you say, hey, you're not, and this is not healthy, and it's not good for you. But where they're coming from is from a place of compassion. It is coming from a good place. I do believe it. Same with socialism as communism. I believe it's coming from a good place, but they're fucking wrong. And it leads to destruction because the Bible says that from which the heart are, this is horrible. But your heart deceives you.

Yeah, that's what it is. The heart deceives you. It's really bad because I'm quoting scripture on cussing of the, say it's funny because you know I was talking to the cowboy preacher and I'm like I just can't call it up and he goes in time I wish I could do his person and dime you will

I can't do the voice anyways but I and I truckled because I found my counterpart that's like yeah it says something like and I can't remember it yeah so it does say that the heart deceives you because you can't just trust your feelings you can't just trust your heart because your heart is wrong until

it becomes renewed become it becomes new with Christ once it becomes that then you could start struggling because before that you're not struggling you're just going by feeling which is really really fucking nice but it's not right just because something is nice doesn't make it right that's why a nice guy nice guys are great i like nice guys but i'm not going to follow a nice guy i'm going to follow a man who is right and correct like okay what are you right about and it comes from a heart of compassion but they're wrong and it leads to destruction communism started from a place of Everyone should be treated equally.

And I believe that. And it works up to the number is 150. Yeah. If you're in a... Yeah. No, it's opted into. You need to opt into it. But when it's forced upon you, anything that is forced upon you cannot work.

Same thing with ecumenicalism. I was talking about ecumenicalism. When it's forced upon you, when a nation is telling you, when it becomes a Christian nation, I disagree with that, where it's one nation under God. And it's like, oh, no, we're all Christians. It's like, well, what do you mean by that? Then you get Christians or people teaching Christianity who don't know anything about faith because it's forced upon them. It's not a matter of faith.

It's a matter of doctrine. It's what they tried doing to First Nations. Yeah. And it's wrong. You need to go one on one. It needs to be small. It needs to be very little. And I don't, and I know where it's coming from.

Again, compassion. But compassion turns evil when it's not being controlled by some level. That's why liberal. We need liberals. I disagree with them. I don't like them. I'm a conservative. I'm very good of playing by the rules.

but we need liberals because they shake stuff up but we need conservatives and everyone's like oh we don't need them no we do because sometimes things get when things become too conservative they become tyrannical but same things when things become too liberal

because then it's like oh it's all about feeling well now there's no order we need balance we need both we need both kinds of people it's the balance you're looking for yeah right there's that's why I drink and smoke my pipe I used to think it was a spectrum

of left and right or liberal and conservative, right? And then as soon as you add in libertarian and authoritarian and it's a diamond like it all sudden to me it actually starts making a ton of sense

like conservative and you pull towards and you pull over and it's a constant but you want to be somewhere smack in the middle you don't want to be all to one side because you just don't no like that's where you lose have you met anybody

okay so I ran into a guy I had a giant Canadian flag on the back of my motorcycle and I'm rocking it down my street because fuck yeah and I met this guy who's like I went to Ottawa it was amazing and I'm like cool let's have a conversation I talked for for five minutes and he was one of those belligerent asshole right wing or nuts like he was he was too far right I'm like oh oh you're you're exactly what the media would love like the same thing that we go for as conservatives they're going for us as liberals they're like oh this is a great representation of the right it's like

no you're a bad representation of the right of the the conservative party because you're just an asshole just getting in peaceful faces and you're like no, I don't want anyone talking to you because I just, I'm like, oh no, you're not conducting yourself in a good faith argument. I try to have good faith conversations where you assume the person knows

something that you do not, but when you assume you know everything, you can't have a good conversation. So yeah, I've met some people on all sides and I'm like if you're not willing to be cordial, it's really hard to be, have a good conversation. So yeah, we got to have a kick thing. on he's great well I am if he's anything like me I'm sure he's great this is that's a good

point because one once again I bring it back to the the protest and I'm like that's what I kind of offered at the start it's like we can have a protest they can have a counter protest our very first episode was about the truckers and and let's let's just you know we can all be like peaceful yeah I mean it's funny like after I've told the story I think a couple house but like after everybody gets back from the walk right mark tube gets on the stage and he's he's singing his songs right and everybody else is filing to get a hot dog or a cheese or a burger yeah and everybody else is just sitting in the park like letting kids play and listen to some music and even LGBTQ 2SL plus community is sitting there just hanging out yeah and then every once in a while they

grab like this stood out to me like he starts playing tom petty and they grab the mic and they go fucking Tom Petty hates you and I'm like, why do you got to do that? You know, and he's just playing it. And I'm like, this is the way society's supposed to be. Take the loudspeaker out. You get to be you. We get to be us. Nobody's telling anybody how to act. And we just get to have our way. Except you're trying to force your, this is COVID all over again.

You're trying to force something on us. We do not want. Except now it's on kids instead of just, you know, adults got to save the, you know, and on and on that way. But like, now it's on the kids. And you've just raised every parent to be like, something's off here. I don't know what it is, but I don't like it. And so some can't explain it, but they just know there's a lot of people in Ottawa.

They were there and they couldn't explain why they were there. They're just like, something is very off. And if we don't change this. So you went to Ottawa for that. I did. Yeah. I actually had, we on one of our episodes, we had a guy's, an episode called So You Want to Ride a motorcycle, this good friend of mine.

He actually went to Ottawa with another friend of ours who also now rides motorcycle. and they both drove one of the bigger trucks. I think it had the freedom sign on it, a buddy named Andy. And he was so great, because we had him on, and he would just want to talk about motorcycles. But when you talk to him, it's like, no, I felt like I should be there for a reason. He went there.

He's not an outspoken. He's not a loud guy. He's not looking to make a scene. He's not looking to get arrested. He's like, no, I feel like there's something we're standing for here. And then I got family that's saying, oh, I want my city back. And I'm like, do you know what? I want my freedoms back.

I want to be able to go to the store without being cussed out. I don't know about you, but I got cussed out for not wearing a mask because we live in a tiny, a small city. And I, I skipped it. I'm like, fuck this noise. I don't have time for it. See, everybody's got their reason. And I hope I, I'm healthy. You look at me.

I'm not overweight. I'm not in any bad shape. I have an immune compromise person. And I just, I feel bad for those people. But why force something on me? See, I'll tell you. this story because and I hope

well I don't know I don't know I melt everybody wants me to have my wife on and my wife doesn't want to come on and I respect that I have my wife on she's hilarious my wife doesn't agree with everything I do yeah a hundred full stop like she argues with me all the time you know like that would be an interesting podcast because she puts me in my place lots

and I like to think I'd become an adversary that she respects you know yeah obviously I miss that that much be true because I mean we've been I think we've been I don't know if we've ever been this good but like I just I love my wife to bits I have no idea where I was going I just lost it you know somebody I know that feeling so you get a couple whiskeys in you're like I fucking had something there for a second but yeah no having our eyes like people we just we're coming back it all came back to me somebody is somewhere it's like Sean this is why I hate what you do you can't

hold the thought anyway one of the you know you talk about like losing freedom blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What sticks out to me is I never want to go back. So we have two instances. One, we go to the farm for Christmas, and mom and dad plow out the backyard. They live on a hill, so we could all park in the back so nobody could see that we were there. Think about that. They were in the middle of it, nowhere.

That's what we got to in society. The next one is this. We go out and we go visit, I want to say my brother. It doesn't matter. We go to the same bloody spot. We're coming back to Lloyd and had a check stop on the north side. And she panicked. Heck,

I might have panicked. I'm not going to put the blame on her. I think just the collective panic. Where were we? If they asked about COVID, where were we? And we got through it, and it was,

you know, when are you ever happy that it's, they're checking for alcohol? See if we're drinking and we weren't. We're like, oh, no, we haven't been drinking and we got out of there.

And that stuck with me. We were worried they were going to, like, yeah, find us, put us in jail for being, and I'm like, we got there.

For all the people that didn't think we got there, that was in my lovely, sane, beautiful human beings mind. And my mind for that matter too. I never want to go back there. Never.

I will fight tooth and nail before we ever go back there. Like we're never going back. People will go, what do you think about the mass things? I'm like, fuck it. They ain't give a, they ain't put in. Look at the Cochran study. We're talking about actual studies. Smart people, smarter than Oz.

I'm a fucking high school dropout. I'm not that smart, but I can point to smart people. And these are people are saying, this is not doing what you thought they were doing. I'm not saying they're not doing nothing because that's, especially with the ones with the little vent on it that blows air out. Like, no, you're just, you're not protecting anybody but yourself. What do you think of the double maskers?

Oh, Oh. Are you allowed to say retard on here? Are you going to edit that? Did I mention we don't edit it? That's right. I'm like so sad that we got no video for that. I feel bad for them because they're trying.

Again, I go back to the, they had the best of intentions. They really did. They were, they thought they were. protecting people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My grandfather died from this COVID shit, but he was 91. He was 91. A breeze would have killed him.

So I'm not going to turn around and say, oh, yeah, it's not a big, no, no, yes, people who are immunocompromise who are more likely to die in the next six months died from it. And it sucks, but it happened. And masks didn't change it. And so I did wear a mask where I had to and it had vent holes in it and it didn't do anything just so I wouldn't get cussed out sometimes. I'm not going to lie. I did do it to the point where I wasn't getting cussed out because there's a quote. And I'm trying to find it.

I can't find it. The one that comes up is the most dangerous person is someone who's wrong but think they are right and feel they have the moral responsibility to change other people based on what they think is right. I know that's not the quote. But someone's going to text it to me. Dang it, that's right. You know, one of the worst things about podcast is when you're like, it's just right there. Oh, and you got, you got friends on the other end of it who were like, oh, I just, I had friends texted me.

It's like, I just want to yell at my radio. I can't listen to your podcast at work because I'm yelling because I want to be there because they know you. But that's the best. It's like, I'm doing something right. Yeah. Like, we do the Brothers Roundtable where we talk. Yeah, yeah.

We talk hockey. And I'm a least fan. So it's whole, I have no leg to stand. I want to hear you guys talking about Evanton. It's funny, it's funny because, like, I got a buddy who drives, and he's just like, he's been in a lot of the conversations, right? With the brothers? He's like, you guys are just, you guys frustrate me so much. Then I'm just like, I'm seething and I'm hitting the radio and I'm just like, it's this guy.

You're doing, like, what is going on? I'm like, I think we're doing. My brother is the same way. I think we're doing something right. Oh, my brother, when he heard it was coming on here, he was like, oh, really? I'm like, yeah, man. So I got families that are friends and yeah That are that are fans years and I'm like

Shit they but they message me on my podcast too They're like oh I want to I want to be there I'm like fucking come up we got Zoom but Zoom's specified for people like Chris Date like that that theologian guy I'd rather be in person So my goal I'm gonna keep talking about this because I'm going to will this to happen This morning we were talking about the bluebird cafe I believe that's correct Nashville any idea what the heck I'm talking about vaguely. Now that you said Nashville, I'm like, okay, that sounds familiar.

I hope I'm not butchering this story. And if any listener wants to correct me on it, correct me on it. But I believe it's from Nashville. You know what? I'm just going to, I'm going to make sure that I'm right. Yeah, we can edit the shit on this. That's great. There's no editing here, folks. I'm just saying, like, if you're typing something, it kind of helps. No, no, no, no, I'll wait around. All right. Bluebird. Cafe. Well, let's go quiet for a second and say, hey, we're going to, we're going to go for dinner today. I don't know what your wife is doing.

Your wife and kids are doing, but we're going to go to Boston Pizza. Yeah, that shit is what they said. When the Blueberg Cafe opened in Nashville in 1982, it was a small eatery featuring a humble side stage for friends to perform. That small stage attracted some big songwriters. In a short period of time,

it's troubadours, and their amazing stories attract and it's big enough to fill the entire space. And so what we were talking about is it's become a right of passage in Nashville. Like, you could be from Canada or Australia, for all I care. And you, if you're in that scene, which is music, you've heard of this cafe. You're like, well, I just got to go play.

And now there's theaters, big theaters, right? And as you get to be big, you want to play, I don't know, Times Square or Madison's Square to Garden or some theater. Grandadopery. Thank you. Yes. Like, there's rights of passage for each level you're up. And I'm like, what I want to do in Lloyd, because, and what I'll preface is, it's one

point in time, I'm like, okay, if I get a studio in Emmetton, I get a studio. studio in Calgary now when whoever comes in Jordan Peterson lands in Emmington I can hey come here and I can race up there and I can do it that's the goal man but here's here's the problem with that here's my problem with that this is where I've got to my time is extremely valuable yeah why did they get to impact my time yeah does that make sense well that's why I was speeding like a bad out of hell to get here right I'm like no like this is somebody's time I want to I value their time so I want to be there as quick as I can.

So what I want to do is I want to build the field of dreams. Mm-hmm. You know, per se. Podcast style. I want to build something. Because like... I feel like you're going to say what I'm thinking. Joe Rogan is down in Texas.

Everyone is down in Texas center in the universe. I'm like, no, it's not. Like, I actually don't even, like, L.A. maybe, but even then I'm like... Nashville's way above that because you can get it from all directions. Even then I'm like, if you're not going to Nashville, yeah, then why is that? I'm like, no. People go to Nashville that aren't country music people because they see value in what's there.

Or New Orleans or New York City or Detroit for Pete's sake. Like it doesn't matter. People go where they perceive there to be value. And so here I am sitting in a little old country bumpkin, Lloyd Minster. Everyone says it's the edge of the world. It's dirty. It is none. I love this place. Every time I come here, something fucking crazy happens.

Like somebody speeds out a gas station. Like they just shot 10 people. I every time I come here Kid I know died to you Oh shit 2016 right on the corner here Like I know people Like I know this area

Shit happens here Well to all the big guess out there It's a safe place It is safe It's just crazy I guess I just look at it And I go it doesn't matter where I put Like would being rape beside

Like being in the airport Hotel in Emmington Would that be better? Okay sure but it's unrealistic and I'm not moving my family there to do that. That's ridiculous. No one wants to move down. So what I want to do...

Isn't that true? So what I want to do is I'm going... Not what I'm want to do. I'm going to do. You know, quote Yoda. I mean, Tom Longo talked a little Star Wars last week. Come on. I know what you're going to say.

Go, go. Do or do not. There is no try. I'm going to create the field of dreams and podcasting here, which means that when you come here, it's no different what you're saying here. I just want it to be better. I want it to be better.

So you put it. But Lloyd on the map that if you're in this realm, you're like, man, we're in Saskatoon. We should get to, how far away is Lloyd Minster? We should go sit with Sean and have a podcast. That's what I want to do. Because that's what, don't get me wrong, Joe is different. Yeah. And nobody's going to be Joe.

I'm sorry, but Joe Rogan likes to humble himself. He's like, oh, I'm just a guy. It's like, oh, you're just a guy who's a fabulous kickboxer that has a commentating for the UFC. Oh, and you did Fear Factor and you did this. Oh, and then there's a podcast. No, you're not just a guy because you take away the podcast. he still has all that other shit. True, but he is just a guy.

He puts his pants on just like us in the morning. And I bet you he comes to Alberta and Hunts. Like, I mean, the thing is, I've listened to him, and he gave me the confidence to do what I'm doing because I'm like, oh, he can talk stupid shit too. I'm pointing to the wall because he gave me the path to do it full time. Yeah, I'm getting there. I just need to.

I need to. sponsorship. That's the thing. We want to get a whiskey, more than anything, we would love a whiskey sponsorship, but we would love to get sponsorship so we can quit. The thing is, I would reinvest the time and money that we make from the podcast back in the community. How am I supposed to call myself blue-collar philosophers? I'm like, I'm a full-time podcaster. It's like, no, I'm going to buy houses and flip them. I'm going to not stop working on houses. I'm not going to stop being blue-collar because then I'm lying. I don't like lying. It's not good. You're kind of like quick dick. Quick-dick at this point out of Saskatchew.

right you know what i'm talking about right little little bit i think i think of interesting you don't know who quick dick mcdick is that's so many names man so he started as a snapchat chat handle right and he just goes around Saskatchewan farms making fun of himself and his family and everything else and he grew over the course while i interviewed him in the first year i think folks if memory serves me correct he was the first podcast he ever came on was this one and i just you know i just liked what he was doing and i'm like you should come on and i remember him saying i don't think i can talk that long and i'm like I think you can talk this long. So he comes on and now he's like booked till June of 2024 with comedy shows.

Like he went from never doing a comedy routine to now he does like hour and a half and travels all over these different places. It does like ag shows on and on and on and on. And that just took time and effort and a little bit of direction. And he could quit farming because he's a hired. I think he's just a hired hand. Now he might own his own land, but he went back to the family farm. quit the oil patch, went back because he missed the farm so much, and was working for basically his parents and then a couple other farmers around.

It's a hired hand. And he still does that. And why? Because he still loves it. And what you're talking about is like, well, you can't lose who you are. And if being the blue-collar guy you are is what you want to be, then you can't lose that. Yeah.

So that means I wouldn't be able to do the whole date. Like you put out a lot of episodes. I'm very impressed. Like you and twos? Fuck. That's a fun listen. I know you're on the dad. You got the dad jokes down real good

Like I'm listening Fuck you guys got to be in a room more often together I really believe I don't know where twos is that Crossfield I don't know if I'm supposed to say that aloud Tuss oh well there is If we're uproading David Gagans being in Alberta I mean Fort St. John Fuck

Yeah you know in two sorry You know David Gagins too But that's the thing like I listen to what you're doing there And I'm like oh this is this is really fun It's good listening you guys got great stories. But what I would love to do where I'm at, similar to what you're thinking, but I would love to create a studio of studio, so a place where people can come and do their podcasts, like multiple studio area, like just have a building full of podcasts, like soundproof the

rooms enough that people can do their shit. I don't have to agree with you, but just a place where you can do it. And the thing is, I hate to name drop here, but I got a friend who has a hunting podcast in Fort St. John, my buddy Mike, another Mike, and it's called Pursuit. The Hunt. No, no, sorry. The podcast is called The Hunter's Apprentice, but the TV show, fuck yeah, the TV show called Pursue the Hunt. It's very good. But I know Mike. I've known Mike for a long time. And then my buddy, Brian, you fucking start a podcast already. So I know these guys that are very good at it. I'm like, dude, there's something here. You have something. You can do it. Just start doing it. And I would love to host that kind of thing. And that's why I'm

producing another show that Kickstand is doing. It's called the Amateur Christian Podcast. And amateur means for the love of. So it's nothing like the Blue Collar Philosopher's podcast, but it has to do with Christianity and the faith and defining what it means to be a Christian. So there's so much to it. So I get to produce that,

but we haven't done one in a while because, you know, life. Well, I think there's a huge need for what Vance Crow is doing. Vance Crow is doing legacy interviews, where, you know, whether it's a grandparent or a parent to tell it, come in and tell their life story. And I'd argue, you know, as a young guy, I think what I've told Vance, I don't know how to do it and I don't want to do it. And I've told them this lots, you know, I try and steer people. If they're looking to get a life story told, Vance Crow is your guy. I'm not saying I can't do it. I can do it.

But what I want to do is I want to interview people that are movers and shakers right now. want to find out what's going on. I'm digging into this Jesus thing like hard. Like I'm staring into it hard. What's your favorite book? I've got to ask you, it's a Bible. What's your favorite book so far? Okay. So, um, wait, okay. I hate to hijack, but at the same time, I'm so curious. Okay. So I'm at Matthew, Mark, you're going to correct me on this, I hope. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Axe, Axe, First Corinthians, Second Corinthians, Galatians, and now Ephesians, right?

Okay, yeah, yeah, sounds about right. So, so here, here, here, Here's a thing. I'm on Ephesians, so I'm nine in, nine books in. I hope I didn't miss any there. Romans is somewhere there. Is it Axe Romans? Whiskey. I like whiskey. What? Say cool whip, cool, whip. Say whip, whip. Whip? Whip. So, so Matthew, Mark, Luke, John's my favorite. James, sorry, Matthew Mark, Luke, John, James. No, James is in that. James is later. I'm bad. I'm a bad Christian.

Bad Christian. Here, here. Let's pull it up. Anyways, I was going to say, have you tapped into Ecclesiathes yet? Testament. Here, I'm going to get this right because I know people are just going to be like, you guys are idiots. Okay, so New Testament. Matthew, Mark.

Luke, John. Luke, John, Acts, Romans, first, second, second. Corinthians. So I am 10 in then. Okay. Right. Do you know what my favorite book? Wait, you asked Matthew Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2nd Corinthians, Gaelians, and I'm on Ephesians right now. And you were asking, what, what, what's your favorite so far? What did you ask, though? What did you, have what's your favorite book? Oh yeah, no, James. I was asking if you, well, you're, no, sorry, Ecclesias. Have you gotten to, it's Old Testament though. No, I haven't done any. If you haven't done the Old Testament. and James is like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten books away from my mat.

That's how bad I am. But in fairness, I don't know what the call to James was, but I've read James. So actually, out of all the books where you jump ahead, I've read James, and I've read the entire thing, and I've really enjoyed James. And what I was saying to people was I read Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. And after Jesus is like they'd stop telling the stories and Jesus actually speaks, because after that he's dead, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's raised. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you get the point. He's no longer walking the earth in the way that he was in those four books. Yep. So I was like, I don't know how to explain it. Kind of like depressed. Like, you know. You want depressed? You want proper depressed? Ecclesiastes.

I don't like that. It's the greatest book. No, so John's my favorite book. You asked John's my favorite book, right? Really? Okay. Oh, John's like. John's like Romans? I like Romans because it's very, no.

I like confrontational. I like things that are a fight. John is, I don't know if this is correct at all folks. So just argue with me all you want. No, it's a book of love. John is great.

John is great. I'm not trying to knock on. John's a philosopher. John, like, lays it out in ways that my brain just understands. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's an issue. Like that, I didn't want that chapter.

I didn't want that book, sorry to end. I was like, this is, I'm, but once again, do I quote John something? No, I brought up Luke is what I brought you up. I'm like, that's a line. John as a book was like, this is really, like this gives way more life to the story of Jesus than the other three do. It's a love book, man. There is, I'm sorry, Jordan Peterson pushes in and all this stuff, but it is about love and incorporating love into your life properly, honestly.

But my favorite book is Ecclesiastes. Do we get time for one more? Of course. Well, I mean, we're already running over time and I already text the wife to say I'm going to be a little late. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. People are either enjoying or they tuned out. So Ecclesiathies is like a beautiful nihilism.

It's the idea that I believe verse two is meaningless, meaningless. Everything is meaningless, says the teacher. And so it has to do with this idea that there's nothing new under the sun. You haven't discovered anything that what you do kind of fucking doesn't matter. And just let go and just be who you are in the moment. Like just, okay, honor God. The whole thing ends with honor God and live well. Like, as long as you're honoring God.

And we look at this word honor. What does it mean? In the Japanese culture, they were very good at honor because it means to do right by. So when you do right by God, you can do very good things. But they were like, oh, some people don't like ecclesiastes. And it's my absolute favorite. That in, oh, fuck, what is the verse?

Ezekiel 21, verse 8, I think it is. No, something else. Anyways, it has to do with the for a meeting. Do you want me to look up at ZEKil? No, no, it has to do with like the, the dong of a donkey. It's really crude. Everyone likes it to whitewash the Bible, like it doesn't say some horrible stuff. I'm making work for your editing guy today.

No, it's funny. He's not editing this out like this out. I hope he edits a little bit. No, I'm like, What are they? The dead sound. I'm just worried about the dead sound more than anything else. The dead sound.

People are like, what are these two morons doing today? It's like, Sean, what do you got going on here? Whiskey's good. I wish I was saying, you know, it's like, say whip, whip. Say cool whip. Cool. Whip. Anyways, if you're not a family guy, man, you got to look that up.

Trouble with a donkey, don't. Ezekiel 2320. Yeah. Is it what it's saying. Yes. 23. 20. There she lusted after her lovers

whose genitals were like those of donkeys whose omission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breast fondles. So that was one of my favorite verses because people would ask me back in the day. It's like, what's your favorite verse?

I'm like, fucking this one. Because I just wanted to throw them off. I'm like, no, you guys are too high and mighty. I need to set you off. Because I was high and mighty, so I need to set them off a little bit. So I would give them that verse. I'm like, I don't know what to do with this one. And I'm like, no, this is just, it's just funny.

This is biblical. Let's be biblical. And then you read that. It's like, I don't know how to take that. I'm like, good. Maybe you shouldn't know how to take the Bible sometimes. And I looked into it. And it was talking about Israel lusting after other things that were not God.

So I just enjoy having a good time and having these conversations. Well, and, and, you know, one of the things, one of the things about, so I was a history major in college. Which era? Do you, any specific area? So my degree is in general history. I wrote my thesis paper on Roman history. My wife was asking me that yesterday is like, how much do you think about the Roman Empire? I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, once a month, maybe? And some guys say it every day they think about it. Well, I don't think, you know.

It's a TikTok thing. I don't know. I just thought it was really fascinating. It was really, really fascinating. Well, it's not fascinating about it. But the thing is, is history in general is pretty boring. Like, it isn't, and it is, all the same breath. You have the wrong person talking about it.

It sucks. You get Dan Carlin, all of a sudden, I'm like, Oh my God. Come on. Just keep talking, man. Just keep talking. Like, I'm enjoying this so much. Do not stop.

Hardcore history, but. And so when you come to, like, things like the Bible, like, honestly, it can be as boring or as lively as you want it to be. You get to choose. You get, like, when you're sitting down by yourself, just reading it, like, I started reading Genesis. That's where I was, okay, I'm like, I'm going to sit down and reading the Bible. I got to, like, chapter, I don't know what. And I'm like, I just can't take this anymore. I had a fun one on Genesis.

You probably do. But what a friend told me is like, why don't you start with the New Testament? I went, that's not a common thing. I'm sorry, this whole idea that the Bible is just common knowledge. I'm like, no, it's not. You have to start in the middle of the, no, not even three quarters of the way the book through before you understand it. That's not common knowledge. That's fair.

Well, I didn't even start there because I'm pretty stubborn. I was like, you know what, screw that. What my brain got to is I was like, I was reading a bunch of things about Gandhi because I find that fascinating. And I'm like, you know, if I'm going to read about Gandhi, how would I read about this guy named Jesus? And then I was like, but I was like,

but I'm only going to read what Jesus said. Not what they said about him. So I read the red words. Yeah. The problem is, is then you miss letters, man. Yeah, you kind of miss the story. You know, you get what he said. And the parables make you like, oh, it's a thought.

Yeah. But you need everything to kind of give it some body. The context, right. Thank you. Yeah. And so it took some time. It took me struggling with Genesis. And not that Genesis is bad.

I don't think anything's bad. It's just like, the heck is this? Why does it have to be so dry and boring? Why do I got to read off 80 flipping names? Oh, I hate the numbers. Stupid like, oh, son of, son, oh, son of, son, son, oh. But you know what? If you're a historian, you probably love it.

You're probably like, oh, this is the line. This is, wow. But, I mean, for the rest of us, it's like, I just esoteric. And it's completely arbitrary. It doesn't mean anything. think to the rest of the world. So you come back to it and you get to like what you're doing is like is it right? I don't know. I look at it and I go that's that's for you and the big guy to make sense of. No different than what I'm doing. It's for me and the big it is for nobody else

to judge. Yeah. Because as soon as you start judging somebody else, you're hooped. It literally says it in the book. It's like so stop doing that. Worry about yourself and your relationship and maybe we get to a better place, you know? And that's what comes back to Jordan Peterson. Clean your room. Not somebody else's room. Clean your room. You clean your room. You clean. You clean your room and then maybe you can worry about your house. Maybe. Maybe you're there. And maybe you get to where your house is clean.

Which is, I tell you what, three young kids, you've got four. That is a hard. The idea of having a clean living room is hard enough. You want to throw in. You want to clean your room on top of that? Because the thing is, you've got to clean the place that everyone else sees first because you're like, oh, I'm hyper-conscious of this. But your bedroom's a fucking mess.

It's because it was like, no, I've got to deal with this because I got guests coming on fucking Monday. And as you say that, isn't that a beautiful analogy? You have to clean what nobody else sees but you. And if you clean up what you see, maybe you can, then maybe you can go up a little. Just level up just a little, a little. Because it means that you've not only dealt with the things that you see, but the dealt, or you've not only dealt with what other people have seen, but the things that you see alone.

Because you're not inviting other people into your own bedroom. That's for you. And if you can, oh, man, I think, oh, dude, preach. I just I don't know I just I come back to like the whole problem I got I had Tanner today in here me and him talked about

Peterson saying aim for the highest good yep that's what you should point in yep and Tanner goes the highest good is Jesus right I'm like oh okay okay actually I can see the parallel so you're saying Jesus

and then and Chase it and the funny thing is is you know what's the line now I'm going to butcher it I am the way the way the retreats in life and no one comes the father except through me. And there's a couple lines in there where I was just like, I had to read it like 10 times.

And I can't remember it because I don't have that yet. Maybe someday I'll get that gift. Maybe I'll never get it. You'll get there. But like when you search for the truth, you find, I think you find the Bible. My truth. There's my truth. This is a different type of truth.

I think when you're looking for what's going on, at least in Western culture, because I'd love to talk to a Muslim book. And I plan to. Yeah. I would love to, like, when you search for the truth, what is it that the Quran gave you? Where is Jesus on the Quran? Where is Jesus in the Quran? Guess what? His grave is empty.

The Quran points to Jesus. Whether they like it or not, it does. He's more than just a great prophet. They don't like it because it obstructs their idea. But at the same time, hey, where does it? Where does the Quran say Jesus is? And the thing is only written in Aramaic, and so unless they actually have studied it and know it

and actually ask questions because they're very restricted on how much they can know, it's really unfortunate because, man, if they could do what we do in the later understanding of the Bible, because it was because of things like Martin Luther did, opened up the opportunity for the common man to know the Bible. And King James, of course. But yeah, same thing.

if they can know who Jesus was. Okay, you chase Jesus, let me know where it lands. What does the Quran say about Jesus? It's always about Jesus. It's a problem. It makes it very difficult to make it broader. Or maybe easy. That's the thing.

People try to overcomplicate it. Where we started this is sometimes the simplest things are the most impactful. I was saying to Tom Luonga when we talked about Star Wars. I'm jealous of that. I listened to that, man. Man, that was a fun conversation. And when he says he doesn't like conception, I'm like, to me, I love. inception because it solidified the tiniest this is the mustard seat this is inception is literally

the mustard see yeah this little tiny idea can just fester yeah and move you to do incredible things or terrible things for that matter well fester is a great word because it can bring forth whatever it brings forth and it's whatever you allow it to and the thing is is like when you search out truth not your truth but like Let's go. Reach. Let's go. You're going to find out, well, it draws me all the way back to what we started talking about.

Like there's some inconvenient truths, like truly inconvenient that you want to just live life. You don't want to have to worry about, you know, what cannot be seen. Except it's like once you start searching out, and once you realize, man, there's a lot of lies going on here. And nobody's talking the truth anymore. And why are they doing that? And further you go down that, the closer you're going to get to, Where I've got. And I'm just like, do I want to talk about Jesus every podcast?

No, I actually don't. I actually want to talk about Star Wars. That was a ton of fun. But like when it presents itself, it's like, okay, maybe I have some things to learn here. Because there's something there. There's always something there. He is the inculination of the written word, the written truth, what it means to be truth. And he lived it in a way that we could never live it.

Because truth sustains. Truth lasts in a way that lies don't. Nietzsche was talking about how there's this idea that you do not need to stand for, and I disagree with Nietzsche on the side, where you do not need to stand for truth because truth will stand for itself. And the same way

that we think that we need to stand somebody, it's like maybe sometimes you just let the chips fall where they may and Jesus will sustain. Jesus has been around for 2,000 years and we like to think that we're going to be the pivotal market, the catalyst that sets it apart from everything else. Can I, here's a

weird question. Yeah, yeah. Why is it that Nietzsche? Maybe not. Actually, let's take him out. Let's go Jung. Let's go Floyd. Yeah, yeah, Carl Jung and Foote. Let's go Peterson.

Yeah. Why is it those guys who dealt with human beings over and over and over again? Never. And maybe I'm wrong on this. Maybe somebody can point to me, maybe I'm wrong on this. Because I could be wrong on this. Yeah. So I'm just throw it out there and we'll see what the universe brings back.

Why is it they never became a Christian or a believer in God? Because Peterson fights at heart And he's seen Exactly it Peterson is fighting it I'm sorry But my father I'm going to say my father

Because I'm not going to lay claim to this My father has an idea That he is a Christian That he is subverting his Christian Understanding so that he can reach more people That he is actually He believes what he believes And he knows that

There's people that think he's the opposite That he's Subverting Christian ideas In order to make a bigger impact Yeah No I understand where that's coming from but which does the greater good i i i i cannot say i i don't i don't know i just go here's a guy who is beyond brilliant like he is brilliant how many degrees of separation do you

got how many people you know that actually know him i'm within well i'm within one i'm within one i know a guy i met a guy recently he's like oh you guys know jordan peterson i'm like oh yeah i was listening to his podcast the other day he's like oh yeah my wife and his wife were best friends and every single time that he comes to town we get first like for our road tickets

and the wives hang out I'm like shit I am jealous of that man he is a brilliant man I'm gonna hold the question to you for a second yeah yeah yeah a pass over sorry I have a really bad habit

in the marriage no no it's totally fine I'm actually wondering now if I'm you know it's funny I'm like am I keeping you too long now because now we've blown past the time frame that I set hey

and I'm like okay I'm now I'm having fun. I'm like, okay. Well, the wife isn't blowing up my phone. That's right. I'm looking at your phone. I'm like, that's my brother. Fuck him.

Okay. So, okay. I'm going to come back to Jordan Peterson. Yep. You good? Yeah, yeah, I'm good. This is the wife talking. What do you need to go?

No, eventually. Dude, sorry. This is, this is far too fun. It's funny. I'm like, you know. I might need a ride to BP's after. If, if this guy had just come earlier, this would not have a bit of problems.

That's right. Instead he's going to come at the end of the day, and I'm like, okay, well, I got to eventually get, anyways. It's been good. All right. Okay. Brinnelly, Peterson, and Jung and Freud over in a column from themselves, because just for a second, on whether they ever found.

That's part two, man. I got to come back. Well, then I just want to. What are you doing Monday? The thing about Peterson and the world and how things just, we like sometimes i get it sometimes i do not peterson i have been that close to meeting him like i mean like paid for a VIP ticket by fans by fans or listeners of the show yeah it's coming to regiana it's happening and then the entire Saskatchewan tour gets canceled i can't remember

why that ever happened but it doesn't they're probably playing covid too i don't even know if it was covid anymore i think it was i think it was the summer of 2022 i think it was last summer oh he was going through chaos too yeah There was a big, big transition. So I'm like, I'm literally supposed to shake his hand. If nothing else, shake his hand. It doesn't happen. I have emailed this guy more than any guest that I've ever had.

And eventually something hits. I have thrown the arsenal at pretty much everyone, and the only two people did never, ever, ever come on this podcast is Wayne Grexie. And let me tell you, I got close. Oh, really? 99 on 99. That's what I tried. Did not happen.

And number... He was my hero. And number two is Jordan Peters. And I'm like, something is working against me here. And I don't know if that's good or bad or whatever. I just trust that when it does happen, if it does, it's meant to be when it's supposed to happen. Because I can't even fight it anymore. Like, I'm just like, I'm worn out by sending all these emails where I'm like, I can't even, I've been giving, I have gotten an email to his gatekeeper.

Not even a response. At least you've got that. Not even a response. Not even a response. Why can't, why can't they just be like, listen, Sean? this is what I want to know. This is exactly what I want to know. You need to have one million Twitter followers.

You need to have this many views. You need to do this and this. Oh, sorry. Twitter's an echo chamber. It doesn't matter. I agree. It doesn't matter. All I mean is like, if that's what they're after, fine. Or you could be like, listen, the only time Peterson's ever going to do you is if you interview

X. Okay. Let's get X. Because I'm motivated by giving me the path. Yeah. You know, you want me to have people on? I'll have people on. I've had so many people on now.

Dude. This point, I'm just like, that's why I'm very humbled to be here. It's the very fact that you've had these people on. I've been listening for last year. I'm going to quote a little Joe Rogan. I'm just a regular dude, folks. Where I've been listening and I'm like,

fuck, I've been waiting for the opportunity to come up here because of COVID and all the other shit that's been going on. I haven't reached out because I'm like, I'm not going up there. I have no reason to go there. Yes, my family's here. But I haven't been actually. Other than that, I have no reason to go there. Where I just,

I, I, I, I want to be here. Well, simultaneously, I can't justify the funds, especially for a long time. Now I'm making that oil field money. Oh, yeah. I'm feeling good. I got paid today.

And, no, it's really good, and I've been wanting to be on here for a long time, but at the same time, I'm not going to reach it. I'm not going to waste your time with a Zoom call, because Zoom isn't the same. Fisically in person is, it's, you know it's better. You know it's electric. It's electric.

Can you imagine if the Beatles had played their music all in different rooms like yeah no no come on like i mean and and pick your favorite ban i pick on the beetles because one of one of the things about right now i'm doing five podcasts a week and i was actually just saying to my brother i think i hit for the first time ever i'm at my limit yeah i think five is almost exceeding what i should do it's close it's like what's your five man what do you mean what do what are your five podcasts that you listen to no no no no i'm doing five a week i thought you were talking about listening to Oh God.

I'm listening to way too many. Okay. Good, good. That's good. I'm like, oh, five, that's a limited. That's kind of. You know, when you tag, I'm like, oh, man, now I got to try and find a way.

I didn't. And my thought was, if I really like this, this is where I'm at with podcasts. I'm like, if I really like this, how am I going to find the time? Yeah. Like, I don't know if I can find the time. I got buddy coming to me.

He's like, man, I listen to like a bunch of other podcasts. Like, it's really hard to find time. And then they listen and they're like, can I come on? Like, we had one called cults. And it was about, you know, cults, essentially, because I've been listening to a cult podcast. I came out of a motorcycle club that was borderline like a cult,

and then everybody come to me is like, I need to come on your podcast because I've come out of this. And so I'm like, oh, we've got to have you on. And he came out of a borderline cult-esque. I'm not going to say it was a cult because it wasn't an official one. But he came out of it. And I'm like, oh, there's something here. There's something that we're doing that's more important.

than what we are. And so I broke through his barrier because there's a lot of people filling up the airwaves. The CBC, CTV, all that shit. They are filling up the airwaves with shit. Shit podcast. Have you heard these guys that are putting on podcasts that have no right to do it? I started listening. So I started listening to what was it?

It was a clever little name too, but it was a transgendered woman. Does that mean it's a man who switched, right? Yeah, yeah. Right, I'm right on that? Yeah, yeah. And a woman from Ontario that actually had spoke out about something. So I thought it was clever. It's like, what she opposes, she's having in the pocket.

And he started to talk, like they started arguing, and I'm like, I just can't. I just, I literally can't listen to why they justify what they're doing to kids. I just can't. No. I'm not there. Maybe some day I will, but I got enough problems of feeling trying to get right things in the right way. I just can't. Yeah.

And actually, I would preface that even further into saying where I'm at with Christianity, I'm on thin ice. What I mean by that is? I live there. That's my house. Well, what I mean is, maybe you can say what you like on this, is I'm like, I could probably go read 20 books on spirituality. It isn't based around Jesus and faith and everything. And everybody's like, please do, please do.

and I'm like, nope. I am stuck on one thing until I get my foundation set. Come on. Because as soon as my foundation set, I can withdraw any storm that you threw at me. And until I get there, I'm not doing it. Because I haven't found this level of peace ever. Yeah.

And when the storm came, which was Ottawa, and the year after, nothing stopped it like what's happened right now. Yeah. So to me, I'm like, I don't need to go search anything else. It doesn't mean there isn't other things of work. I'm sure there are. Sure it is.

And I'm listening. Listen, folks, I'm telling you, don't believe me. I mean, you got your own stories. I have people all the time to come on and have their own way of where they've gotten to. I'm just saying, I don't need to go talk to a Buddhist monk. I don't. No. Not yet.

Someday. You need the foundation first, though. Well, what is it say? You build your foundation on the sandy shores it washed the way. You build it on the rock. Yeah. And it don't matter what comes. You ain't getting anywhere.

And to me, like... That's why I pulled my kids out of public school. Their foundation was sand. And what am I going to do? Let them indoctrinate. Let them choose how they're going to build the foundation under my children. That's an interesting thought. I took my kids out of school because of that bullshit.

We are building a foundation. I'm not saying I'm not going to allow them to go back to public school, but I'm not going to allow the secular system to set the foundation for my children. I won't do it. because what kind of father, what kind of good would I be doing to its complete society if I just let the government, I'm sorry, you can either trust the government

and know your history. I know it's a cliche thing to say, but I will not allow the government that has done what it has done in the past. I don't trust them because they are just going according to the wave. Oh, this is the way society says we should go, we're going to go that way.

Well, maybe fucking society is wrong. And so I'm not going to let them indoctrinate my children out of safety because it's not right. sorry you got in there you're not you're not wrong though like I mean I think there's a lot of people standing around going something's definitely wrong yeah something is definitely wrong

like I don't I don't like what's going on and certainly a lot of those folks are in Canada certainly a lot of those folks are in Western Canada but they're being censored by our government it's a problem well the crazy thing is is like I wonder how many other podcasts are in Alberta that have zero clue there.

I actually wondered that because, you know, a blue collar philosophy for a perfect example. I feel like we're being suppressed. We're number 16 on the blue collar list of a podcast out there and I don't feel like we're getting

the traction that we should because we are talking about good things and we should be shared, but we're not. Same thing with what you're doing here. It's like, man, why are we not as big as we feel like we should be? Because, yeah, you're talking to people

that people should be hearing from and you're not getting the tension, you're not getting the traction that you know you should be, but maybe it's just, it's what Jordan Peterson was talking about with Oliver Anthony, where it's like,

maybe you're not as big a deal as you think you are. And maybe, maybe it is that. Maybe I should be more humble. But the truth has traction. But it's being, I really do feel like it's being so much. Well, we know hearing.

It's true. That's an interesting thought, though, what Oliver, Anthony, man. That, that, that's gold. That's a story. man like that's um i don't agree with everything but you should never if you agree with no no you're in a cult you're no you're in a cult you're like if you have somebody who says something and you believe everything like i watched uh i watched um the documentary on what was the

cult down in the states that had it out with the cops big old waco wakeo yeah waco yeah and the way they treated their leader i'm like like he's he's banging your wife and they're He's banging your daughters? You got to listen to our episode on cults. It's really good like that. Like, you know, I check myself all the time. Oh, yeah. All the time.

The second the leader says, I can bang your wife. I'm like, might be in a cult. Like, right? By the way, I'd like to spend some alone time with your daughter. Really? That's good. How about we hang you high and call it a day? Yeah, right.

Right? And in our society, well, that right there, you're going to jail for life. It's like, yeah. Just for saying it. Come on. Come on. Like the guy wants. Like, you know, you think of where we're at in society.

And we go, we're not close to that. It's like, we're not not close to that. Right. Like, I mean, come on. Yeah. Oh, dude. Yeah. I hate to cut us short because I'm.

It's funny. I was going to cut a short. Now he's like, well, I got to go. You know? I want to stay here. Who's having fun now? I think Sean's having fun. That's another thing.

You talk to yourself in the third person. It's really weird to me. Yeah, I've been, I've had some people upset about that. Yeah. It doesn't bother me enough now that I'm in, I don't know what it is, but something about being in person, you're like, fucking litter slide. Yeah, I, I don't know. Like, I don't do it all the time.

It's not like I sat here all. No, no, no, no, the entire time we've been together, I've been waiting, and then you did it race. It's like, it's been, dude, I've had a, dude, I've had a, great time. I've had a great time. It's it's just funny. The third person thing, you know, that really bugs some people. And don't get me wrong. If I did, because I, then I start self-monitoring. I'm like, oh, yeah. There's some things I do right now that are really bugging me. I'm trying to fix. I'm not going to say I'm allowed because then people will focus on it. So I've been working on it. Yeah, yeah. But the third person thing, I'm like, I think you're all, I think you're all way too

into what I do. Yeah. No, I'm sorry. Just let it slide. Just let it keep going. Well, now that's a thing. Now it's like, I'm like, now I'm fucking with you. Now, I'm, I know I'm kind of toying with it. I like it. Hey, I was worried that I'd be like just, I'd be too thrown off by it. But you didn't do it until the end. And I'm like, fucking do it. That's great.

He's supposed to say, never do that again. It's like, you should do it a little more. So now what's going to happen is I'm going to be like, so Mike said I should talk in the third person a little bit here. And I'm going to, Sean really thinks, you know. That's good. Oh. I appreciated this. You know, it's funny.

Sometimes the best episodes come out of, I don't know. No, this is thin air. I'm sorry, it's thin air. There is nothing preconceited. Like, I've heard you and Toos do your thing. It feels like borderline fabricated thin air. But at the same time, this is literally, we've had text conversation, no vocal. You think you should figure out what you're talking about.

You think me and Toos, I was just saying this Jack today. Yeah. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, oh, no, the guy you need to talk to about clipping things is Toos. Tews actually prepares. He's very prepared. Like, I'm going to say these things. I would love to talk tooth.

We can make that happen. That's easy. And I mess it up for him all the time because I don't prepare. Like, I read the articles, but I'm not sitting there going like I'm going to set twos up for this line. Half the time he says things, I'm like, why would you say that? That's a horrendous thing to say. And that's probably what gives it a little bit of its jam is because we don't. I definitely do not.

Yeah. You've literally walked in. Look at my notes. That's my notes today. It is literally making sure the sound isn't going crazy. That's right. You're on the phone, but when I came out the door, I'm like, oh, it's locked, so I just hung it on time. Is it Michael Bouble?

I can't even, you know, like at this point. I've been called that. I have, my sister-in-law love saying Boubley. Regardless of the third-person name drop at the end, thanks for coming in doing this. This has been a ton of fun. You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to doing this. I look forward to pangender, Van Gender, Will Smith, you listen to this. Yeah.

I mean, we were having, I would love a roundtable. Oh. I would, I would just love a conversation. I think that'd be fun. We'll make it happen. I mean, bring the crew. Next time we'll have a little round table. We'll have a little bit of fun.

Either way. The thing is we're going to blow our load. Sorry, that's an inappropriate way. We're going to blow our load on the way up here, just having conversations because we'll just come in one vehicle. We will because we all get along great. First, he's dropping donkey things from the biblical text. Now he's talking about blowing the load on a drive for Fort Sass with a pan genie. man in the vehicle

you know like this is this got off side real fast folks if you've got a friend who's a little rough around the edges that can't just listen to Christian podcast all the time blue collar philosopher's podcast is a podcast for those people because we're not for the common Christian we're for the guys that have been rejected and feel like they have no one to talk to

it is what we do we just talk where do they find everywhere that we are on everywhere yeah iTunes Spotify Apple music, Amazon music, all of them. We are on every platform that I can think of. A pod meme is who we distribute through, and they just send it everywhere. And we don't have to do anything.

So, yeah, wherever you find, you Google blue-collar philosophers, it might take a little just because Google's suppressing us. It is true, though. Yeah. Like, I put out a tweet. You tweet? X.

I ax. What do I do with these days? I don't. I'm sorry. I told this about Will. I'm like, anyone who taught they ta-ta putty tat, I can't tweet. I'm horrible at social media.

You can find us on Facebook and Instagram, but at the same time, we're not social media people. We are blue-collar for a reason. Well, thanks for coming in and doing this. I'll make sure you get out, you know, here we could, I say this a lot when we get in studio.

But the next time we're going to make sure that we have like hour upon hour and we don't have to cut a short. Because when it cuts short... I'm going to make a weekend of it. I'm going to be like, hey, man, I'm coming up this weekend. We'll hang out a little bit beforehand and afterhand.

Just to have a barbecue or whatever. But now you're pressing on me that I get your father on and a bunch of different things. We'll see about that, okay? He's a great man. And just really quickly, this is not a fair representation of who I am and who he is. He is much more conservative.

He is a proper Christian. He's better than me in a lot of ways. But I'm his son and you can't do shit about that. Well, thanks again for coming on and making the drive, man. And making a stop out of this and, I don't know, reaching out. Like if you're somewhere in Alberta, Saskatchewan for sure, like those two provinces. I'll be reaching out again. This is so much fun.

If you've got a story to tell, you know, reach out because this is what the SMP is all about. Like we want to hear from the provinces. And there's cool people that I keep stumbling upon. I'm like, how do I miss these people, you know? And if you're a fourth day, John, I know you and twos were talking about doing a little tour. I would love to try and set something up as for the amount of attendance we can have. I don't know, but I got venues.

I got friends. We're literally going to Lumsden. October, I think it's 24th. Don't quote me on that, folks. And I have no idea. We're like, we're going to need 20 people. We can be 10. We got three.

I don't know. We're going to go figure it out. We're going to be the Beatles of the early stages where they just went and played. And if anyone showed up, great. And if nobody showed up, great. We've got to figure this out. We've got to see if this works.

work and if it doesn't so be it. Same thing with John. You find you start working your way out east, south west and you're like, we're kind of close to Fort St. John. You hit me up. I will, I'll set up a venue. I don't know how many people will have,

but we'll get her because I got friends. Cool. Well, I appreciate you coming in doing this and safe travels. Always. And, well, I look forward to the next time. We're over two hours, and I mean, I didn't even break a sweat.

I don't even know what we talked about. This is gravy, man. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for doing this. Cool. Thank you.