Shaun Newman Podcast - #507 - Stephen Malthouse

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

He is a family physician of over 40 years from British Columbia who was suspended for his concerns over COVID 19 and the spreading of misinformation. We discuss Bill 36 and the consequences if it goes through.  Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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Welcome to the show. on Newman podcast today, I'm joined by Dr. Stephen Malthos. So first off, thanks for hopping on. Yeah, thank you. We got to let myself and the listener, the viewer, get a little feel for who we got on today. So I don't know how much of a story you want to tell, but we got plenty of time. So feel free to kind of give a little bit of your background and, you know, your journey to this point. I'm a family physician in British Columbia. I practice here for 43 years. I have a special interest in integrative medicine, which is, you know, things like homeopathy, acupuncture, nutrition. I guess you'd say that was kind of an alternative nutrition for doctors.

And I'm the past president of the Canada Health Alliance, which is an association of about 5,000 members, which has the goal of trying to, I'd say, improve the medical care in Canada and to bring different practitioners together. that would be whether you're a naturopath, a chiropractor, a doctor, a nurse. It could be any type of a practitioner of healthcare and to try to break down those, those, I think, artificial barriers between us to improve patient care. That's what I do. And, of course, you know, I probably came out on the different side of the fence from the college when this, the pandemic, or as we call it, the pandemic, started up in 2020.

You know, Steve, just to have you, or Stephen, just to have your, thoughts, I guess, on it. You know, in 43 years of being a doctor, I mean, it must have come as a bit of a shock or maybe not. I don't want to put words in your mouth about the safe supply in British Columbia. I actually just was having a discussion about this with somebody who isn't from British Columbia and they're like, oh, it's not that bad. Like they're trying to help people and safe supply is a good thing. What are your thoughts on whether it's safe supply or just addictions medicine, I guess? Well, you don't really even need to look at statistics, just have a walk downtown in Vancouver or Victoria or any large city

in Canada and you'll start to see that the number of homeless and what drug users is just increased dramatically. So again, you don't really need government statistics to tell you that we're in trouble. And the provinces that are really making what I love that term, safe supply as their policy, they're really enabling this. And in a way that those people, which may be on the border, will slip into excessive drug use. And the mortality, the death rates and overdose rates

have just gone through the roof here. And it's a combination of things, but certainly I think those provinces, which have addiction centers where they actually start to treat people with addiction, rather than to give them free drugs, they're doing better in terms of reducing this incident of the prevalence of overdoses and people who are, you know, whose lives are being destroyed and

they're now on the street. The way British Columbia is going is disastrous. And you only have to go and walk through any town or city in the country pretty much to see it. Safe supply is just giving attics, like clean needles and a safe place to do it. And it's not as bad. And it's keeping them out of like maybe the hospitals and whatever else. And I was like, I would be curious to hear what a doctor from British Columbia or maybe just people in British Columbia would say to that because the things I read, that isn't what it is. Maybe that's where it started, but that's not where it is anymore. But here, I got you sitting here. All Miles just ask and get your thoughts. What are your thoughts on that statement? Yeah, well, again, this is not really my area

of expertise. You know, I'm a family doctor on a little island in British Columbia, so we don't, we don't see that so much. But we have had people, you know, die from, uh, from drugs, you know, locally or children that we've known or young children we've known and a lot of it came in the during this COVID era because they were bored and they they were given money by the government which they then were spending on on drugs to you know to have some fun to pass the time home yeah yeah absolutely and so or you know or they they have had access because there's more on the streets and you know it's becoming how would you say acceptable uh for people to use drugs these days.

I think the marijuana issue is one where we see a cannabis store on every corner. So, and it's being sort of how to destigmatize to the point where people think, hey, drugs are okay. And this is causing a lot of deaths and a lot of suffering, breakups of relationships and so on. And this is all part of the build back better plan, which means you have to destroy things first, right? I don't think this is happening by accident. We don't know who are the stooges, who are the people that are the, you know, the frontmen, who, you know, that sort of thing. It's part and parcel of the whole picture.

It's not just one issue. And there are many others, particularly in medicine that we've seen in the last three years. It's a takedown of society, destruction. Well, let's talk Bill 36 then, Bill. Sure. And you tell me, tell me, like, here's, it says, Bill 36, health, professional. an Occupation Act. Like it sounds,

Occupations Act, I should say. It sounds like very professional and there's nothing nefarious about it. What is it about Bill 36 that has you concerned and you think everybody else needs to know about? Well, Bill 36, which is a British Columbia,

it's a provincial bill. It was passed into law on November 24th of last year, 22. What it did is it rewrote the Health Professions Act. And we as doctors have what we call self-regulation, just as every other regulated college has. In other words, we have our peers come in and evaluate us

if we're thought to be with regard to malpractice or incompetence in the practice of medicine. So we were self-regulating. But now the government has reached their hand into this, and it's going to have effects in many different ways. So they kind of snuck, I wouldn't say snuck this through, but they did not read all the clauses. They read less than half of the clauses in the parliament bill before they passed this. Most of the members of the legislature do have no idea what this bill is about. They all sort of voted, you know, yes, I agree, you know, with their party without really knowing what the consequences were.

And just like, you know, it sounds very professional and why not it's going to streamline and modernize the regulation of the practitioners. it's not like that when you have a look. So it was scooted through. In fact, it seemed to break some of their own standing orders in passing it back in November. But it's going to have an effect not just on the practitioners, but because of its effect on the practitioner, we'll have a practice effect on the general public.

Because, you know, in British Columbia, we have more than a million people who do not have a family doctor. Well, I can safely say here that getting a family doctor is, well I mean it's difficult and we've in my kids lives so Shay is my oldest he's seven years old and seven years off the top of my head I think we've had three different family doctors and are currently seeking pretty much a new one because we can't get in the one we have so it's like yeah well I mean I guess we get you know if you have problems you know you got to go find the doctor

and and that that's what brought me you know to you were talking about homeopathic medicine you know well before we came back to this topic and that's what we're we're what led me to Sheila Vale and Vermillion for folks in this area and potential health, which, which, you know, once again, we had an issue with my daughter and I was, you know, like, okay, well, let's take her to the doctor and that's taking some time. And in the meantime, somebody said, well, why don't you take her here? And I said, okay, well, we'll try it. And within like two days, I'm in, I'm like, oh, that was, that was way too easy, you know, Like, I mean, no, when you're talking doctors in Canada, it's extremely tough right now to get in.

Yes, and it's going to get worse. It's going to get worse. Most people do not have a family doctor. And if they go to the walking clinic, they have to be there before 9 o'clock and then it's full. Walking clinics are closing. Doctors are retiring. They're going on stress leave. And they're moving to other provinces out of British Columbia, particularly Alberta.

but Bill 36 has some many of its causes, about all of its clauses are really detrimental to the health care of British Colombians. And I think this is a trial, a balloon that's being gone up and it will go across the country if it's successful, if we don't push back against it. And so let me just tell you some of the stuff that's in Bill 36. Yeah, I would love to hear what's in Bill 36. Yeah, yeah.

Well, it's trying to fix things that don't need to be fixed. One is taking 15 or so regulatory colleges where, you know, that could be optometrists, dentists, doctors, nurses, any self-regulating profession. And it's boiling down to now to six. So it's condensing all the colleges. So we're going to, we're with the podiatrist already. And we kind of wonder, okay, you know, there's a connection. But other other colleges are going to be put together that seem to be quite distant in their scopes of practice. The other thing is that it's going to be,

normally for doctors, I'll speak on our college, we have half of the directors, the advisory council, are elected doctors who have experience. But now all those, the council will be entirely appointed by the Ministry of Health. And so they could have anybody they want on there. The other thing is that doctors themselves will have to do anything that the Ministry of Health says, otherwise they'll have their license, potentially have their license removed.

By that I mean that they have to take every drug and every vaccine, whether it's a COVID shot or whatever, that the Ministry of Health, the government tells them they have to take. Otherwise, we'll have to stop practicing. If there's a complaint, anonymous complaint, that the ministry can just close their practice without notice. Might go one day and find your door locked. And while the complaint is being investigated,

It could be anonymous. Doctors will never know who said any, who put in the complaint. There are just so many aspects to it. It's kind of hard to know where to stand. If a doctor speaks out, in other words, says something which is considered misinformation, they could be fined up to $200,000 and six months in jail. If they're a single doctor that's not incorporated, if incorporated it could be up to $500,000 and two years in jail for giving misinformation to a patient.

Now, their misinformation may be, you know, what the government doesn't want you to say. And so the individual treatment and your, how would you say, you're the doctor telling you the truth based on his or her knowledge, that will be out the window. If you don't follow the algorithm given to you by the government, for example, get your COVID shot. If any doctors had said, don't get your COVID shot, it's dangerous. Bay themselves would have been at risk of fines and being in prison. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. And it was passed without real full debate.

So before I wrote it down, that was a lot. Let's start here. Who's pushing it? Like, is it just the British Columbia government? Like, the Premier is pushing this? Or is there like, this is the person pushing this? They think it's a great idea. Well, Adrian Dix is our Minister of Health.

And I think he would have to shoulder most of the blame for this. But, you know, you kind of wonder who's running our government. It goes into another question. Now, there's who's telling these people what to do. This plan came, this Bill 36 was written by the NDPs, the liberals, and the Green Party here. So they all played a hand in writing this, but you kind of wonder who wrote it for them in some ways, because it's so draconian, its control is so extensive on the mental profession, and the outcome is so obvious that it's going to destroy health care in this province.

you kind of wonder who would have that kind of nefarious plan in mind. I don't think these people are smart enough to tell you the truth. But, you know, who knows? And when, you know, you're talking to colleagues or what have you, I know you're on an island, so I know, you know, it's not like you're bumping into, I assume not. I could be wrong, Stephen, but I assume being a little secluded. You know, you're not bumping into colleagues every single day, but maybe you are.

when you're talking to him, like, is anyone, well, no, this is the reason they're doing that. And this is a great idea. Like, is there anyone championing this that's like, these are the why, like, is there any arguments you've heard, I guess? You're like, actually, that kind of makes sense. And they want to do this. And, you know, obviously, like some of this is, like, completely insane. But is there anything that you're like, well, this is kind of where they're coming from. Yeah.

Well, it's a huge bill. It's the second biggest bill that was ever passed in British Columbia. And so even the MLAs have not read this bill. Doctors are completely ignorant of it. How big are we talking? Well, we're talking 645 sections and 276 pages. Okay. It's big.

It's big. And it was not debated even. I mean, they essentially read it through without any debate, well, some debate, but they only actually discussed less than half of this before it was passed. It was a huge bill. And the overreach of the government, which is enacted with this bill, is going to be death management to every doctor. They're already feeling it. I mean, they're leaving the province, not just doctors, but nurses and all, you know, chiropractor, everyone, they're going to leave the province.

And people who can't get a doctor now will not be getting a doctor in the future. That's why emergency rooms are closing. You know, doctor, they can't staff them, not just doctors, but nurses. You know, you need to have the cleaning staff and everything. to make a hospital run. And if, you know, we've already attacked and undermined the, the, uh, healthcare practitioners through this idea of compulsory vaccination to work in a government run facility.

And, uh, in every other province, I believe, but can't, but BC and, and I'm not sure, I think Nova Scotia also might be put in that. They've welcomed back their unvaccinated, uh, practitioners into government facilities. And, uh, we're not doing that in BC. So already we're starting off with a, you know, with a detriment in that we don't have, we can't staff the hospitals. Emergency rooms are closing overnight for the weekend. The care in them, I think it was Surrey Memorial, said, you know, don't come here. We're understaffed.

We can't treat people properly. This is a danger and it needs to be fixed. Well, how does the government fix it? You know, they pretend to throw more money at it. And then they come out with things I've built their day. six. Condensing the colleges to six. You said 15 down to six.

When you hear that, all I hear is more centralization, which is like, you know, like I want to be as far away from that as possible. But on the flip side, I'm like,

but maybe it's costing taxpayers, I don't know, or I actually don't know the answer to this. Maybe it isn't costing taxpayers anything. I just go, maybe 15 colleges is kind of like this bloated bureaucracy

and it needs to be shrunk, right? There's possibly the theory that, you know, like 15 is way too much. You know, you talk to certain people about the government and the size of it. They're like, well, get rid of half of it. We don't need half of it anyways. Is there anything to be said when it comes to the college of physicians? And you mentioned like optometrist and all that to condense them makes it makes little sense to me.

But maybe there is some more to it that I'm missing. Yeah, superficially you think, hey, let's just reduce bureaucracy, the administration component. of these colleges and save money. But if they're mismanaged, and if, you know, someone who doesn't know anything about chiropractic, who's, you know, maybe a dentist, you know, a dental college, I mean, if you have people trying to make decisions about other fields of health care that they know nothing about, then you're going into dangerous waters there. Because the chance of mismanaged, which will be more expensive, easily outweighs the idea

of, you know, amalgamating all these colleges. I think they're amalgamated so that the government can control them more easily to tell you the truth and have fewer its battle. Well, one of the things that, like, the condensing of colleges to six, I'm like, I don't fully understand that. That's where you sit and you can give a very bird's eye view of like why that isn't. The thing that you said that really bothers me is the council will be appointed by the Ministry of Health, which means the government's going to decide who oversees all the doctors and all the fields. This isn't just like the home, you know, like the physician. Like this isn't the ER. This is like eyes, heart, every part of your body that you go to see somebody.

This is all of it is going to be appointed by the government. Did I hear that correct? That's right. Yeah. Now, who they appoint is unclear, but they have complete control then over doctors. And if they don't like what you're saying, they can chuck in jail if they want to. They can do things without really even court orders, it seems. They can come in and seize patients' charts out of the doctor's office at a moment's notice, which you couldn't do before.

And they can lock the doors of your office the morning that you intend to go and see patients. There are things like that that are written into it. Now, it hasn't been enacted, and they're going to fill this out, which is another thing. It's an extremely, it's vague in so many ways that they can do whatever they want pretty much. In the back rooms behind closed doors, they can fill in what they think is misinformation. information. And again, if you don't follow what they consider to be real information as a doctor, then, you know, you can be penalized. You can lose your license. So really, these people should not be involved in health care. They're a danger to the public. Now, the other thing is they can also

accept any type of rules or regulations that they want to, whether they're from another province or another country. And I'm just thinking the way they do it is they can, what is it, they can accept into law, adopt this law and BC any regulations, codes, or standards or rules enacted in foreign jurisdictions or international bodies. Now, if that's on opening the door to the WHO, taking over Canadian health care, I don't know what is, really. Well, the thing is sitting here as an Albertan, you know, I just think of Soji.

Actually, you know, when we're looking at BC and we go, Sean, why? Like, I can hear a few people because, you know, we had the one million march for children. And one of the things that came up in Lloyd is we're governed by Saskatchewan. So the big thing was, well, is it even in Saskatchewan? I'm like, well, no, but it's in Alberta and it's all across BC. And you can just see whether it's in the next year or the next 10 years. Like, it's just going to solely, like, this isn't, you know, although it's not here right this instant. although some would argue, and I'm going to have some different people talking Soji specific,

where it's already started to come into Saskatchewan, it's already in Alberta and blah, blah, blah. You go, with this bill in BC, take the same mentality and realize if it's enacted there, you can see how the government works and trying to bring it across a country. And if they're trying to get it so that unelected officials, which, you know, WHO, I mean, I don't need to say modern that, do I, folks? If they can do it in BC and start to make a case for it, then maybe, Alberta doesn't, maybe Saskatchewan does, or maybe Saskatchewan does,

and then maybe you've got three or four provinces that do this. And eventually, you can see how over time it just comes in. So you might as well snuff it out before it ever gets any further than what they're doing. Yeah, well, that's the way it is happens, right? It's a tiptoe to tyranny. And it's, you know, you try it. So I try it here, see if there's push back, if there's no pushback, you go further with it.

I mean, that's been the game plan since for the last, well, I would say, you know, obviously for the last three years, but, you know, for a long time, you know, try something else, add little tax, add another little tax, add another little tax, you know, and before you know what, people are being taxed out of their homes. That's pretty obvious. And this bill is just, it's unbelievable, really, in that, you know, it threatens health care by threatening the providers of health care. it interferes with the doctor-patient relationship and with privacy.

So there's nothing good about this bill, except if you were the Minister of Health and you wanted to become very powerful and control of the whole system, you could do that. So it's government overreach on steroids, really. So where does it sit right now? You mentioned that it hasn't been filled out and there's some things they've got to do and et cetera, et cetera. Where does it sit right now? Well, from what we can estimate, it will probably be enacted in some of the,

put into, uh, into functionality within about a year. And, um, and that means, although it has, was passed,

um, it's, it's not really been an act. And I don't have any colleagues who've been thrown into jail yet. And many of them, you know, are speaking out and have spoken out. The problem is it may be retroactive.

So it could reach back into November of, of 2022. It's possible. And so if we said something on the podcast today, which is not government, uh, um, so we're all going to jail.

So when we, We talk about the gulags being an interesting... I don't know about in British Columbia, but anyone who has a license. But it also reaches outside license professions. In other words, those that are self-regulating, if you were, for example, a homeopathic practitioner, this actually reaches out and gets you, too. If you were a retired doctor, it reaches out and gets you. In other words, if you say something in your retired physician,

you also could be held responsible by the government and penalized in some way. I just feel like a common sense, even policy. politician has to listen to that and go, this is insane. Why would we do this and strike this down and get that out of there? What has been the feedback when you bring up these points to someone? Well, Adrian Dick said the minister says what the minister says when he was asked by the doctors of BC, which is kind of the doctor's union association. It's not the regulatory body, which is the college. But when he was asked, you know, about this bill and And Dr. BC has asked twice to have some input into this bill, and they were pretty much ignored. And he made this comment of, you know, the minister does what the minister says what the minister says, something to that effect.

And, you know, they don't care. They don't care. Because, you know, all politicians are out there to get votes. If people are fast asleep and they can propagandize them to get their vote, they'll do that. In fact, that's probably, when does the government ever stand up for the people that elected them? Well, I think of Andrew Loughton again, where he said, you know, you have to create the conditions where even bad politicians will do the right thing. So in this area, with this Bill 36, I'm assuming I can speak for the audience here and going like, I don't think anybody's for this. So how do you create the conditions to help not only Dr. Stephen Malthos and all the doctors of British Columbia, but think about it from the standpoint.

point of just if you're in any other province, and this is going on somewhere in Canada, how do we create the conditions that the British Columbia goes, oh, we're going to get rid of a few things in this bill, and oh, we're not going to do this and we're not going to do that. How do we do that? Well, that's a good question, because this bill is just really an example of what is going on in Canada with regard to the pandemic and the different attacks on our food supply and, you know, our air and water. and what's happening in our schools and the judiciary and the financial system.

And this is just one part in the medical thing. So I think at the bottom line, people just have to recognize who the real enemies are here, who is trying to either maim them or kill them. It appears like that and take away their rights. And then they have to face that enemy and say, no, I'm not going to do that. So waking up is going to be a big key and telling other people, hey, look at this. And this is what it's really saying.

It's not, you know, streamlining and modernizing and cost cutting. It's actually under those disguise, those sort of catchwords that politicians always use. It's destroying health care in the province. So when people start to realize that they have, the bottom lines, they're going to have to say, no, I'm not doing that. That's the bottom line. But I went, but the influences, you know, how to influence your elected officials, you know, how to influence in this province, you're a member of the legislature. that is a good question.

And of course, we try to do that. They're kind of like, everything is fine. Don't to worry. You know, we have it under control, and they've never even read the bill. So that's why we have, for example, a postcard program where we're asking people to send postcards. And just to let them know that if they don't change the way they're behaving, we're not going to vote for them. I'm just reminded of the little dog cartoon where he's sitting in the house and the entire house is on fire. And he's like, it's fine. It's fine.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, really. I mean, it doesn't, it's like the drug question. You don't have to have the statistics. Just go for a walk downtown. Well, I mean, here in Lloyd Minster, you've seen an interesting change. You go to Eminton. And like, Eminton, like, there's full on tent city there. And you go to Calgary. And, you know, they interviewed two firefighters. And they talked about them as they called them daywalkers, which is, which is funny because that's, that's literally from a vampire movie. where they can walk in the daylight, right? And the daywalkers are these people who are high on something,

and it ain't just life, folks. And they're walking around and they look, well, you can just pick them out. It's like, this is something. And that's just the, you know, I'm talking about my hometown. I'm talking about the two biggest cities in, in Alberta. And you can just see it. It's so evident.

And yeah, like, I don't know, it's, it's been a wild, an interesting ride. But I mean, coming back all the way to Bill 36, yeah, we have to create conditions where the politicians, ever since Andrew Lawton told me that, I've been like, that makes complete sense to me. That's why, you know, peaceful noncompliance, as you had pointed out, is so important. And that's why, you know, like, I'd never protested in my life. And through COVID, I went to two. One in Amundsen, one in Ottawa.

And then we just had the first protest I've ever been to in my hometown. And I'm like, I ain't for doing this. I don't want to do this. But right now, we have to get the eye of politicians. And of honestly, when you talk about waking people up, we have to get the eye of our community. And let them know that things aren't okay. And probably, too, it's okay that we recognize things aren't okay. To like come out and be a part of something and be like, this is healthy.

We're not okay with what's going on. And we need to voice that more and more. Absolutely, yeah. And there are ways of doing it. I think one of the most effective ways is to make sure you're talking to your neighbor over the fence because that's the way it's going to work. You know, the media is completely controlled, so you're not going to get it out. Well, I would say the what they call the legacy media. I think that's too nice. Too nice a term. The legacy media. It's corporate media. Yeah, corporate media. Yeah, that's completely captured. And of course, most people are watching CBC and, you know, still believe it's a good, it's a good outlet for information. I mean, I don't know if you saw this, but they had an actual Nazi in parliament and gave him standing O. And I go like, if that didn't crack some more skulls, you know, like every single day,

this is what gives me hope. Every single day, more people are turning away from corporate media and are finding, whether it's me or somebody else, it doesn't matter. They're turning and trying to find different information to try and make sense of what the heck is going on. Yeah. Because like, there's a ton of people that got vaccinated, you know, to stick, to talk about COVID, there are great human beings that are like, what is going on, right?

They got pressured in, or they thought there was no harm or there's a thousand different reasons on why. And then as it turned up a notch, I mean, Chris Barber literally was one of the lead guys for the Freedom Compoil. He's vaccinated. And he drove across Canada because he's, and he's on trial, you know, for standing up against the mandates and everything else. And every day that goes by, another person goes, something ain't right here. Now, do I wish it was everybody all at once? Yes. But I'm very thankful that more and more people are starting. That gives me hope. Yeah, me too. More people are starting to wonder about it. And there are a lot of people who are kind of

like scratching their heads, but they can't connect the dots yet, right? They probably had a death in the family, COVID shot related, and they haven't identified it, but they think it's unusual that a 36-year-old who die in his bed. But the doctor might gaslight them and say, hey, well, that happens. It's very rare, but you never know, right? And that sort of But how many deaths does it require in a community before they'll start to really say, hey, something is not right here. And, you know, it's, it doesn't, once your eyes get open a little bit, just go like, whoa, all these interconnected things, what's happening in our schools, what's happening in our,

in our courts, what's happening in the food supply, what's happening in our banks, I mean, digital currencies, and identities, that sort of thing. You know, it's what we call, it's called in basketball, a full court press. It's everything is coming our way to block us all at once. And that's, that is very difficult for people to take because it also means your government is out to kill you. It's not, it appears to be out to kill you anyway and at least to maim your family. And, and our public health system is pushing more vaccines for six-month-old children, the COVID shots, which, you know, were, I think they had 20 mice in the trial of the last one. And, you know, but I think what also it does, there's a lot of negative things happening,

but out of the negative also we have the, you know, we have the light as well, which means that people are starting to recognize the dangers of the medical system, and particularly the vaccine situation. They need to really have a look at that childhood vaccines as well as the COVID shot. So hopefully people are starting to have some doubts about the way things have been run for the last, you know, 100 years. Rockefeller medicine. And I think your example of taking your child to a nurse practitioner or a nurse who is practicing homeopathy is a good example of that.

People are starting to kind of say, wait a minute. This is not good. I need to change things up. Well, I appreciate you coming on, Stephen. And I hope I can see Anna sitting in. She's been bouncing in and out of the waiting room. And I hope I'm going to give her a call after we're done because I hope that I can find a way to, get her back on and talk a little bill 36 and uh addictions medicine for that matter because i think

that'll be well i i think that entire thing is is fascinating because it's a big problem here in um in uh in uh in Canada and uh probably more than just Canada I think we can look down at the states and see they got some issues going on there as well um before I let you off though is there anything else you want to you want to make sure people know when it comes to bill 36 uh when it comes to uh when it comes to, you know, because certainly we got time. And if you have something to say, I'll let you have the mic. Well, thanks, Sean. I think only from Bill 36 and people always say, what can I do about this? And I think the first thing is to try to contact your MLA, your member of the legislative assembly to go and speak to he or her and let them know that you want to know what

and get them to print out the bill in their office and so that they get a chance to read it. Make two copies, one for you and one for them. There is also this program of sending in cards. And people can go to the website C-S-S-E-M. That's Charlie, Sam-Sam-E-E-OFENT,MARG, which is a doctor association. It stands for the Canadian Society for Science and Ethics and Medicine.

And there they can learn about the pushback campaign about Bill 36. And they can download and print or one of the cards there and send that into their MLA. That would be a good thing. And become an activist, whether it's just talking over in the neighborhood fence, going to downtown with a placard or whatever, get involved in some way, even if it's small, even if it's just contributing some money to one of these organizations that are on the front lines doing the work for you. So that's what I recommend people do.

Become an activist. You know, don't sit on your couch anymore. There's no time for that. They're coming for you and they're coming for your children. And most people don't know who they are. It's interesting. I think of Jordan Peterson when you put it that way, you know, become an activist. It's in order to change some things going on, you've got to start talking to people.

And what happens when you start talking to people is you're going to find out you don't know as much as you thought you knew. And you're going to have to go and you're going to have to go. to do some research and you have to read and you can have to get better at communicating it and get your thoughts in order and and on and on it goes and as you get better at that then people are going to push you up and up because they're going to be like well you got to run for this or you got to do that or you got to come to this and eventually you might be in a place where you can actually do some good and if you sit on the coach um certainly we all need a couple days like that because i'll be the first to say don't burn yourself out right because you know this doesn't get

solved in two days uh this this is this is a marathon this is a you know, if you go back to the good and evil, you know, you go back to the Bible. I mean, Satan's been around a long time. God's been around a long time. And this has been the fight that's been going on since the Donna time. And I would just say that this is our version. And it's starting to show its head and we're seeing it. And, you know, as much as that unnerved me at the start, I'm just happy I can see it now.

And so it's just like, well, buckle in because this isn't a, this isn't a sprint. I think we learned that with the Freedom Convoy. You know, you thought everything was going to be done. And certainly it was a well-placed left jab or right hook or whatever you want in the boxing terminology. But the match continues. And we're seeing that. And we're starting to see that in multiple different ways, whether it's Bill 36 or some of the things coming down with school systems and on and on. Honestly, this goes. So I think, you know, your thought on community and talking to people, that is going to challenge people to get better. And that's a good thing.

Yeah. And that's where it has to start. This is a grassroots change. And, you know, we've been, everything has been driven from the top down. You know, there's a small group of elite that control everything, them and their buddies. And then they have people that, you know, their gophors and gophers and, you know, on down. And people that are enablers for what's been happening these last three years. The metal profession, one of the worst enablers tell you the truth, not necessarily intentionally, but through propagandizing and essentially being put into a hypnotic trance to believe that all your journals and your government and ministries and your colleges and your associations are telling you the truth.

But yeah, I think it's grassroots means it's up to you. I don't think there's any doubt the outcome will be, you know, God's going to win, let's say. But depending on what your spiritual faith is. But I don't think there's any doubt. But if you want to be on the team, the winning team, you better get up and do something. And there's no time to waste. I agree. Well, thank you, sir, for coming on.

I do appreciate you giving me some time and battling through, you know, hopefully with Anna, we get her back on because I'm sure the listeners can be like, she had some interesting thoughts there, Sean. You're going to have to talk to her. I'm sure we will. Either way, thanks for giving me some time this morning, and we'll be paying attention now here out east of you guys. It sounds weird to say out east when we're out west. Anyways, we'll be paying attention to see what comes of the Bill 36 and things in BC, and hopefully we can help shed some light on it to hopefully create the conditions.

So politicians wake up and start doing some things that make a lot of sense. Yeah, thank you very much for having me, Sean.