Shaun Newman Podcast - #508 - Bill Dowhaniuk

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

He is the director of sales at Silver Gold Bull Inc. We discuss his transition from the restaurant industry into silver and gold, being Alberta built and the thought process for people wanting to get into the silver/gold market.  Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast Patreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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He's the director of sales at Silver Gold Bull. I'm talking about Bill Duhannock. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Bill Dohannock. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. Oh, my pleasure, Sean.

It's a real pleasure to be able to speak to you today. Well, I'm rather excited to hear a little bit about silver gold bull and probably a few different things when it comes to silver gold in that market. But before we get to all that, you know, I don't know a stitch about Bill, which means I'm going to assume majority of my audience certainly doesn't know a stitch about Bill. Tell us a little bit about yourself, Bill. For sure. So the quick and dirty, went to university, got my degree in the dismal science of economics. which I immediately discarded and didn't put to any use whatsoever. It did, however, give me a lifelong interest in financial markets. So I spent about 20 years working the restaurant business, nightclub business,

and kind of finally reached a point where I just couldn't do it anymore. I just, you know, that had been beaten to death. And there was no desire to continue there. And, you know, reading about financial markets, participating in financial markets was a hobby. mine. It was something I spent a couple of hours a night on, probably, had invested in gold and silver on my own. And then when, you know, fortuitously, as I was looking to make that switch, there was an opening with Silver Gold Bowl, and I spoke with the partners and, you know, turned

out to be a great fit. And it's been a terrific journey. I've been with the company for about nine years and started out when we were a much smaller operation, still based in Calgary, but much smaller and, you know, have seen the company grow by leaps and bounds over the last nine years. Before we get to Silver Gold Bull and your switch over that and, you know, fortuitous circumstances, as you would say, 20 years in the restaurant business. I look at a choice in occupation and God bless all the people who work in that industry, but I'm like, man, that to me looks like a tough way to make a living. Am I wrong or right in that way of thinking?

No, absolutely right. But it's like anything in life. It's how you take your attitude into it. And there are some difficult people, and by that I mean your customers, that you're working for and working with. And of course, I mean, a good portion of the people working in that business are see it as more of a transient job as opposed to a career choice. So as long as you were able to, you know, mentally square that circle and deal with those things on a day and day out basis, it was fine. I think the hours were long, and that was the real killer, is that I felt, you know, at a certain point, like I was watching my kids grow up by iPhone video instead of experiencing it.

And I think that was kind of the catalyst for wanting and needing to make that change. Where are you originally from, Bill? So I was born in Edmonton, but it had been in Calgary since the age of two. Oh, okay. So you're a Calgaryian. Does that mean you're a Flames fan too? Yeah, of course, I am.

Folks. Folks. It's going to be a tough year. I'll tell you that right now. Well, diehard oiler fan on this side, and I can't wait to mop the floor with all you flames, folks. That's at least my hope. Every time I say that, then the oilers let me down a little bit.

But I'm looking at our team and going, I think we got a shot. We got a shot every year right now. So we got some of the best. It's like the old story with the bear, right? You don't have to be able to outrun the bear. You just have to outrun the other campers. And I think the oilers are going to for sure outrun the flames this year.

You guys have us there. When you talk about, you mentioned restaurant, But you also threw in their nightclub. So then did you work, like was the restaurant or were you in this industry where part of it was nightclub and you worked late hours, that type of thing? So worked restaurant originally. And then nightclub was a partner in a very large 18,000 square foot nightclub here in Calgary, roughly a thousand person capacity. So that was challenging. Can we talk about that just for a moment?

Because I think I'm like, hey, you want to make some money. have a successful nightclub. But then, you know, if you go into one of those sober and just like kind of like stare around at the stuff you have to deal with on a nightly basis, I'm like, I don't know if I can handle this, even with all the money coming in, because like I'm sure there has got to be,

when you talk headaches in a restaurant business, a nightclub, how many, like, I mean, every night, all you do is probably run around and put out fires and, you know, a thousand, if they're not all drunk, certainly a good chunk of them are intoxicated, not to mention other illicit substances. Yeah, absolutely. That was a part of it for sure. And it was, it's not just babysitting your clients or your customer base at that point. Your staff were just as bad in some instances. So staff turnover was high. You know, you'd have your small core of people who were really good and really reliable. And the other ones who you think were really good and really reliable. And of course, when you're when you're operating the show, you don't hear the worst dirt until after that person's been let go. And yeah, there were some shocking stories after the fact. And it was, it was a lot of, fun. I was obviously quite a bit younger. So it was enjoyable, but but wearing nonetheless. You know,

you're working until 4 a.m. and then you're you're back in there, two, three in the afternoon to do it all over again. So fortunately, you're not open every night. So that was just four nights a week. But yeah, I mean, the stuff you would see in the, the standard of behavior, which is probably much worse now, I would imagine, because this was 20 years ago, the standard of behavior of people when they've been drinking is, is just, just nuts. What, um, do you mind me asking what establishment?

Are you allowed to talk? Do you mind? Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, it was Metro Nightclub. It was right by Chinook Center, um,

in Calgary. What did you, you know, when you look back on it, I think of like, you know, if I'm a, you know,

a partner of any company and I'm looking at Bill. I'm like, if he can handle that, like just imagine this calm world of, you know, maybe, maybe silver gold bull is not calm world. In my mind,

I'm like, from one to the other. I don't know, man. But what did you, What did you take away from that time? Because, I mean, certainly you get to see how human beings act when they are letting loose most nights. But, I mean, in saying that from a managerial standpoint or from an owner's standpoint, you know, there's always lessons to be learned and taken away from different situations.

And I would think dealing with people and then dealing with your customer base must have been, well, you must have just learned a few different things. off that. Yeah, I think the ultimate thing is you end up leaving that business with, I mean, ultimate levels of patience because you've seen, you know, people who walk in and who are decent people and you can speak with earlier in the evening. And then you see, I mean, just absurd things later on at night. My mind is just flashing back to one incident where we had a guy who was asked to leave. Really nice guy had spoken to him earlier in the night. He's asked to leave later on because he's quite drunk and, you know, was in a bit of an argument with somebody. And he goes out to his truck and pulls his chainsaw out and starts revving a chainsaw in the parking lot, if you can imagine.

So, yeah, I mean, and to be perfectly honest, seeing stuff like that didn't bother me because you knew it was just a guy being an idiot and things weren't going to go any further. Maybe that wouldn't be the case today. You know, if somebody goes out and starts doing something like that, you might be a bit concerned about what's really going to happen here. But back then, certainly could just laugh things like that off. A chainsaw. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's a pretty good flex. That's, yeah, you're sitting down there and you're the guy out front,

eating the double cheeseburger or whatever, folks, you know, and you're sitting there watching that going, is this really happening? Like, you know, but then I go in our sober world where everybody's sane, we just had an actual Nazi in parliament and gave him a standing out. So, I mean, you know, chainsaw drunk guy being a moron or sober politicians bringing in in celebrating a Nazi. It's like at this point, reality is stranger than fiction,

and I don't think I need to say that, well, I'm going to continue saying it, but I mean, you know, from night club to the real world of like sobriety and, you know,

common sense. It doesn't certainly seem that. At least the guy he was drinking, he's got somewhat of an excuse. He does, doesn't, he's an idiot. He's an idiot.

Yeah, he's got a little bit of a temperamenter and he's not really thinking straight, but. Yeah, our politician's not a chance. No passes, no free passes there.

You said fortuitous way you fall into Silver Gold Bowl. You mind whether you want to talk a bit of the story of Silver Gold Bowl, your journey into it, I'll let you go either way you want to do it. I'm just kind of curious, you know, the story of getting there and becoming a part of this. For sure. So saw the job advertised online. And, you know, at first it wasn't, I didn't really make the connection. I mean, which is bizarre that, you know, it was kind of financial markets.

I'd invested in precious metals myself prior to long prior to being a part of the company. And just I saw the job and I was like, no, I'm not sure if that's something I'd really want to do. And after a couple of months of staring at it because it was 2014, and of course, the oil business was still going crazy. And unemployment was probably a record lows then. The job was still available. And it was like, I'm going to, you know, give these guys a call and see what happens. Back then, it was a very interesting first interview back then because all this show. shipping and everybody worked out of the same facility.

So the metal was stored there, the product was shipped, and the staff worked there. I ended up being interviewed in the Deerfoot and in casino, which for a lot of people would be a real head scratcher's and what on earth might potentially getting into here. But having sat down with the partners, I mean just absolute salt of the earth guys and very much of the same mindset. And I think we hit it off right off the bat. Well, what is it about Silver Gold Ball? You think that, you know, I don't know, is different or that people should know.

You know, because I'll be the first to say this, you know, like, I certainly at the start of COVID, knew nothing about silver or gold or both. And certainly as things ratcheted it up, and, you know, I'll joke about this again. People are going to get irritated at some point of me. Keep saying this. But, you know, having an actual Nazi in parliament and things, people go, starting to get a little uncertain on the world. And everybody's had their breaking point, you know, over the last 50 years,

let alone the last, you know, three or four. But certainly, you know, in the last couple of years, I'd never even heard a silver gold bowl, which is kind of laughable now when I talk to different people because lots of people know exactly who you are. But, you know, what is it that you, you know, not only drew you to it, but you think now that you've been a part of it for nine years, that people need to know.

Well, I think as they've said, you know, probably back to Roman times, the fish wroughts from the head. And the opposite is always the case as well. The partners of the business are all involved day to day. And they are just absolutely terrific people. And I'm not saying that because they employ me. It's simply because I'm old enough to have worked with many people and many groups of people over time.

And you just get such a great feeling from them. And everything that the company does is above the board and to the highest moral standard. And that ultimately is where it's got to be for a company to succeed, right? It's the customer first, look after the customer, and ultimately over time, you know, the business will be taken care of if we take care of the customer. And that's, you know, they're all very much of that mindset. And, you know, they just don't care if we lose money on any individual transaction as long as we make sure that we're keeping people happy and keeping them coming back to us. It's, well, I mean, you keep the, you know, half,

customer man for a business you're going to have a long a long career or a long business cycle or what have you because you know you get angry customers and that can that can really tear you down real real fast and and it's not like there's no competition out there's there's plenty of competition even in what you folks operate in absolutely we're probably I mean I just put it this way but I'm gonna put it this way we're very much the 800 pound gorilla in the Canadian market But you brought up a great point that if you were to put 100 people in a room, maybe one or two of those people have invested in gold and silver or even thought that,

you know, even approached the fact that you could maybe invest in precious metals. So it's, I like to think of our investors as much as we are a huge company and, you know, definitely are the dominant force in the landscape here in Canada. The number of people that have approached investing in precious metals or who have invested in precious metals is tiny. So I always like to tell our customers that you're kind of drinking upstream of the herd at this point still. And when we reached that point, like we did in 1980, where people lined up around the block in Toronto five times to get into that Scotia Bank and buy their gold and silver, that's probably the bell ringing at the top that you might want to lighten your position

up. But we're so far from those days right now that when people are worrying about whether they need to wait to see if gold goes down $10 or not to make that purchase. I think at the end of the day, it's not going to matter in the slightest. That's an interesting. I want to go back to your earlier comment, 800-pound gorilla in Canada. Explain that to me. In what you guys do, why do you put it in that way?

I think that the reason you can, look at us as that is because we're kind of the only one-stop shop where people can do everything. And we've got a large enough team that we can, again, handle any kind of a concern or anything related to precious metals that our clients may have. When the company started, one of the reasons why the partners decided that, you know, this was a great way to go was not just that they were precious metals enthusiasts and, you know, buyers and investors and precious metals, but that there was no real easy way for people to get precious metals at that point. It was all just local mom and pop stores. There were a couple of larger

businesses, but we were really the first in Canada to fully embrace the e-commerce model and be able to ship anywhere in the country. So when I started with the company nine years ago, there were probably 20 of us, and we're close to 70 now between all of our staff members in all of our various departments. So with many of our competitors, the guy who was working the retail store and is answering the phones is probably the same guy who's packing the orders and slapping shipping labels on them and doing everything else. Whereas here we have separated and dedicated teams that can handle all of these things. And that gives us the ability, you know, for my own team as a sales team, to spend 45 minutes on the phone with somebody and just talk about the market. And if that's,

that's all you want to talk about today, that's all we can do. But, you know, it's, I would say probably an unrivaled ability to service all aspects of a client's needs. that has put us into that position. It's funny. You know, when you talk about, you know, the same guy you talk to, probably packaged it, probably did this, probably did that. I'm like, I just think of the Sean Newman podcast right now, folks. It's like the person you're texting and the person on the email and the person here

and the person, I just feel like the guy, I don't know if you've ever seen this before, but there's the one man band where he's got, he plays like a little dittle on his, you know, his guitar and he records it and then he keeps looping things into it. And then eventually he sings the song. I've watched that play out, which is like brilliant. It's like super cool to see, but it's a one-man band. He doesn't need, he plays all the instruments and makes it go. And I'm like, it's interesting to think, you know, whether it's silver gold bull,

whether it's, you know, probably Amazon or what other giant out there, they all have their start where it was like, you know, one point in time you were doing everything. And that's the only way to make it work. And you had to push through some things. And once again, silver gold bull would be no different than is what you're saying. saying. Absolutely. And even when I started, it was a company doing, you know, nine figures in annual sales. And it was still the partners were the people answering the phone. The partners were in the back. If it was really busy, they were all hands on deck and they were packing packages and

probably not nearly as efficiently as the guys who did it day in, day out. But they were back in there helping out and doing whatever had to be done to make it happen. So I think that having the ability you just step back and get away from that is one of the things that has really driven the growth of the company is having them focus on running the business instead of putting out fires all day long. So, I mean, they probably still put out fires, but they're just, you know, they're distant fires that they can put out with a water bomber instead of being in there with a hose. Yeah. I'm sure those are like, I'm sure sitting around with that group of people would be an interesting coffee or whatever with Scotch, because you'd be sitting there and you'd be like,

remember the day when we were like, you know, we had to get this out and we're doing this and this, and now they're, you know, they get to take a little bit of a breath, I assume, right? And even your viewpoint on it over the course of nine years has really changed. You know, those would be, with any company, you know, I think of another sponsor on the show, Prophet River and Clay Smiley. He's a, they ship countrywide. And they have this beautiful, beautiful store in Lloyd Minster. And he started out of the garage.

of his house, helping people with firearms. And now it's built into this like, I don't know, Clay, if you're listening to this, I don't know, you know, how big you actually are and everything else. But from my peer view, they're big. And they ship Canadian wide and they're across. They're like one of the major retailers of firearms in Canada. And like, that's pretty cool. And actually, as I sit here, I'm like, man, Clay, we got to have you on to have him tell the story.

because the origin story of all these different places is so, so unique and similar all at the same time, if that makes sense. Because what you all go through is like you've got to push through some things and you've got to wear 18 hats. And some days you're probably like, I don't know if we're going to make it. Because you think right now as it sits today. And you can talk to the market on this more than I can, Bill. But in my mind, every day that goes by, more and more people are starting to talk silver and gold. I run into more and more people that are like,

I bought some silver yesterday. I bought some gold yesterday. I bought some gold yesterday. Oh, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, good, great. You know, what did you listen to? Or what did you hear? Where, you know, and every day that goes by, I feel like silver gold, silver and gold, sorry,

is just on the rise of more and more people getting into it. But once upon a time, I assume it was a bit of a lull, kind of like you may be alluding to. And so everybody looks at it and goes, oh, that business must be booming. But once upon a time, I'm sure it had its headaches and its struggles just like anything else. Oh, absolutely.

They moved from multiple locations. The company was originally founded in Rocky Mountain House, and they eventually reached the point where they were shipping so much they had to be closer to the couriers, which was why they moved to Calgary occurred. And I've heard some of the war stories from back of the day, probably not all of them, but I'm sure there'd be some incredibly entertaining stories there.

and just some of the client meetups that they had to drop material off. We'll think about it. You know, people who get gold and silver, I'm going to guess aren't the people who believe in big government. I'm just going to assume. So I imagine the clientele is an eclectic group of people that would be, you know, you could probably have the silver gold, but nobody want to come on it, you know.

It's like we got the Silver Gold Bowl podcast. We're going to talk to some of our clientele, None of them want to come on because they're like, well, I don't know. The whole point of silver and gold is so I remove myself from the system, not so I get more attached to it. And yet the clientele list, the characters would probably be like second to none, I bet. Yeah, you could be more right about that. And it goes into the customer mindset. People may think that, you know, it's guys in suits and ties buying gold and silver, and it simply isn't.

It is people who question the narratives that we're told about how the world works. And once you start questioning those narratives and you realize that you've been lied to, that's when you find gold and silver. It generally doesn't happen the other way around. And yeah, I mean, some of the people are, I mean, they are great people, and I am definitely aligned with darn near everything they believe in, although there are sometimes that they surprise even me. But for sure, these aren't CBC watchers, these aren't.

These are people who are wonderful people. They've built their own businesses. So what you're saying is it's pretty much the Sean Newman podcast crowd. I assume that's why, you know, it's funny. It's funny. It's like, you know, you make a joke about the CBC. And I'm like, I don't know if a single person that has texted me in the last year that watches the CBC. I couldn't even tell you, right?

There's this huge group now that is just like, you know, burn it down. And I mean that figuratively. not literally, when it comes to the CBC specifically, right? Like the media out there, the landscape, the lies that have been and continue to go on is just wild in one sense, you know, because you think at some point, this just has to, the house card's got to fall. And hence why a lot of people probably turn to silver and gold. Yeah.

It's a slow process. And we may think, you know, once you've kind of been awakened, to the lies that we're told, you may think that this is going to happen overnight, but it just simply won't. Great quote from probably 150 years ago is that men are hurt animals and, you know, go mad together and only come to their senses slowly and one by one. And that's kind of where we are right now. And certainly the response to COVID, I think, woke a lot of people up. And just looking back to the lies we were told about what we were doing overseas, what our military was doing overseas. You know, I think had a lot of people questioning the narrative.

Are we really over there spreading peace and democracy? What are we doing? These things aren't in our interest. And that is expressed by a lot of our customers when they first call in. And we almost give them a safe space where they can talk about these things. If you were to talk about to your CBC loving brother-in-law or sister or parents, they're going to think you're flat out nuts expressing some of these things. They can call us and talk to us about it.

and have a sympathetic year who agrees with a lot of what they're saying. Some of the stuff is downright nuts, but the vast majority, you know, is the people who work here in absolute agreement with you. So we're that place where you can talk about these things and not worry about being ostracized. Well, when it comes to silver gold specifically, what is the the I don't know advice or thought process I maybe you can pull out what I'm trying to generalize when it comes to you know I just think of my I'm not this guy who falls I'm not deep into every market I'm not staring at a $10 difference I'm not you know I go I'm a I'm lightly

dabbling in a lot of different things I guess and sitting here, I go, I look over to the group there and some other people that are around me that really pay attention to it. And I lean on them. What is it that you're telling different people, let's say somebody who is not a long time client, somebody that is brand new, is like, I don't know, do I get a coin, do I get a bar, do I get gold, do I get silver, do I spend 100 bucks, do I spend 10,000, I only got $50? Like, I'm sure you see the full, gambit of it, what advice would you give out today where we sit with the market where it's at and everything else? The absolute first thing I tell people is that precious metals should be thought

as an insurance policy. It's insurance policy that you hold in your own hands and you have to size it appropriately as well and have the proper time frame. So using another example, let's say that you're buying fire insurance for your house. You don't think to yourself, boy, I think my house might burn down in the next three months. So I'm going to buy fire insurance, but I'm going to cancel it after three months if it hasn't burned down. You keep that insurance in place. You, of course, hope that you never have to use that insurance, but you keep it in place. And that is how precious metals should be approached.

Depending on how optimistic you are or pessimistic you are, you may size that differently, but it always makes sense to kind of size things appropriate to your net worth or to your, you know, your investable assets. If you had a net worth of $10 million, you're not going to go out and buy $100 million dollars worth of life insurance on you because there's just simply no point. You're going to be paying unnecessary premiums and it's going to be a complete waste of your funds. So precious metals need to be looked at holistically over your investable assets and what you're looking to protect. And then from there you need to kind of take a look at maybe the different metals. I usually like to

look at gold as having greater stability than silver. And simply when you look over time, silver has a beta of about two to one over gold, which means that for any percentage move you're going to see in gold, you're going to see about double that move in silver. And that works on the way up, and that works on the way down as well. So if you're more stability focused, you may want to focus mainly on gold and have some silver there for the investment kicker for when the metals do run in price. And if you're younger and you are maybe more investment focused and it's a smaller portion of your investable assets, then maybe you want to have a larger silver focus. And that's probably a great way to start. Certainly we're not investment advisors. We don't know anybody's balance sheet.

We don't want to know anybody's balance sheet, personal balance sheet. So these are decisions people have to make for themselves. But what people can do is they can call us and they can get clarity around their thinking. And we can help, you know, point them in the right direction that this is how you need to look at precious metals. And it's a lot for people to think about. It's a lot for people to take in because as much as they may have researched things beforehand, It's very different when you're looking at pulling the trigger on a sum of money that, you know, might have taken years or decades to accumulate. And that's certainly something that's on our minds at all times is that, you know, we're not

selling somebody a pair of shoes here. We're dealing with their life savings. And this is, you know, their family's future. This is grandkids' future. And, you know, we take that seriously. So we're not here to pressure people into doing anything. We're here to give everybody all of the information they need to make the disqualification. decision that's going to be right for them. I think maybe from from my standpoint, you know, my, my,

my rookie knowledge of silver versus gold is just, you know, for for somebody who has no idea, it's like, I don't know, what I got a hundred bucks? What can I get for that, right? Or I have, like you say, you said 10 million, a net worth of 10 million or, you know, it's just it's so then you kind of, you get the, the degree of risk or the ability. on what they can buy, you know, like, what's the lowest amount of gold you can buy? And what is the worth on that as we sit today? So you can buy as small as one gram. That's going to probably cost you around $100.

But generally we don't recommend those. Those are very much end-of-the-world kind of products because the premium on them is so high. You know, just in general, the smaller, you know, it takes a lot more work to make 31-1-gram bars compared to a single one-troy ounce bar. So if people ask me for my opinion, I generally don't recommend they go smaller than about a quarter ounce of gold. I think when people are buying, if they're of a, you know, I'm certainly an optimist. And one of my favorite quotes from the financial crisis back in 2008 was that gold and silver are for optimists, but I'm diversifying my portfolio into canned goods.

As an optimist, I'd like to think of gold as something that can transport your wealth through to whatever kind of a future we face. And if you're ever concerned about trade and barter, then you can buy one ounce silver pieces to kind of cover that off. So try to focus on the one ounce gold pieces. That's going to be around $2,600 in that neighborhood today. One out silver pieces are going to be around $34, $35 today. That's how I would recommend that somebody kind of split their thinking. Certainly if you want to buy those one gram gold bars, you can. Absolutely.

We will be happy to sell them to you. You know, they're very much an end of the world kind of product. If the world doesn't end, you're going to have a hard time selling those and looking at that as a good investment. Whereas if you've bought one else silver rounds as an example for something to potentially trade and barter with, if the world doesn't end, you've still got something that's got great investment value to it. Yeah, I think just, you know, so often when I'm listening to different investment guys talk, they don't get down to the brass tax. Like, what does it cost?

because I'm just like, I got a hundred bucks burn, you know, I'm using $100 here. What can I get for that? And you just laid it out quite beautifully, actually. Like, well, silver is probably your best bet. You're going to get your best bang for buying silver. You're not going to get a whole lot. But at the same time, if that's all you are available to put into it, you can go online. Right now, I'm doing a sales pitch for it.

But I look at it and I go like, I'm sitting in the middle of nowhere. I'm in Tuktiak of Canada, you know, coming up here, Folks, the Tuesday mashup is going to, and I want to make this very clear, I'm not harping on Lumsden, I believe, Clibet and Irma, but they're not, you know, the big centers of, let's say, Eminton, Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, etc. These are little tiny spots on the map. When it comes to what you guys do, even if I buy a little piece of silver, it can come right to my doorstep, correct? Exactly right. Yeah, fully insured shipping. So there's no risk on your part. And we send out a couple of thousand packages a week. So it's, I mean, we've got that process pretty nailed down at this point. Super easy to do. And you've touched on something great that is important is that a lot of people with their budget would prefer to buy silver. Let's say you had a $3,000 budget. They would prefer to get 80 ounces of silver than a single ounce of gold. The investment potential, I think, for silver is much greater. When you take a look at the gold silver ratio, which is just the number of ounces of silver it takes to buy an ounce of gold, we're currently around 83 today. At the peak of the 2011 bull market, we got down to 30 to 1. The, or sorry, the 20, yeah, the 2011 bull market and the peak of the 1980 bull market, we got down to 20 to 1.

So if that happens, you're going to see dramatic outperformance. You know, 100% move in gold could be a 4 to 500% move in silver. So, you know, we're very big believers in silver and big believers in the investment future and investment potential there. But again, that's got to be kind of spelled out within your own personal risk and reward. And once again, I would say, you know, the thing with talking about is that could take time as well, correct? Oh, goodness. Would never put a timeline on it, absolutely. And certainly, you know, as somebody who's lived through the last 15 years as an investor,

I thought it was all going to end in 08, 2009. Maybe they could kick the can to 2010. And here we are, you know, 2023 and the can is still being kicked. So these things happen gradually and slowly over time. When it does start to reach that mania phase, that's when you probably know, that's when you might be scratching your head and looking around at what else you might be able to do with your funds

if you were to redeploy them from precious metals into something else. But we're, I think, a long way away from there. And mania, when you say mania, sorry Bill, when you say mania phase, you mean like now instead of it being you and like seven others whispering in a back room of maybe I should get some gold and silver. You see what's going? Yeah. When you see, like you said earlier on, people lined up at the bank down the street, racing to buy a little bit of gold and silver because that's the time you're like, that's mania phase. And at that point, you best be looking for a different way? Absolutely. To put it in Canadian terms, you know, probably got the world's largest real estate bubble here. When people start talking about gold and silver at dinner parties, like they talk about real estate at dinner parties, that's going to be here. You know, that's that giant bell ringing, the fat lady singing, whatever you want to call it.

That's going to be your point where you should be scratching your head and going, hmm, the ducks are quacking. I probably should feed them here and start, you know, lightning your position. Oh, that's a great. That's great. The ducks are cracking. I better feed them. Where did you pull that one from? I don't know. I've read that a few times over the years.

It's a classic. And that's, you know what? That's the, I think maybe the ultimate way when, you know, if you don't want to be a bag holder or something at the very top, when everybody is talking about and everybody's, you know, bragging about their investment returns in X, Y, or Z. That's probably when you should be selling X, Y, and Z. When it came to, you know, here in, here in Canada,

Canada. I mean, once again, like, I mean, every time, I think it's Chuck Prodnick, a guest to the show who's got military background. And he made the joke, you know, I think it was about a week ago about, you know, I didn't have all my bingo card and then, you know, just fill in everything that's been going on Canada. Because, I mean, it just keeps getting more and more absurd. Where you're like, what can they, like, at this point, it's like, what else could possibly go on? You know, I thought Zelinski coming to Canadian Parliament was honestly bad enough. in my mind. And yet on goes the show, as they say. It's amazing. There just never seems to be, and I mean, this is political life, monetary policy. They never seem to back down or acknowledge their mistakes or take steps to correct it. It's always just to double down. Okay, we made this mistake.

Let's double down and do more of what didn't work. And, yeah, it's incredible how our current government just seems to jump from scandal to scandal. I mean, what have we had three in the last probably three weeks here? And eventually you would love to think that that would come back to bite them on the butt because it certainly would if you and I did these kinds of things. But, you know, the Teflon's got to be wearing pretty thin on Trudeau by this point in time. Yeah, I heard the story about cheese whiz once upon a time. And I was trying to find it.

I was actually trying to find where the heck I'd heard it, that if you put Cheese Whiz outdoors, It lasts for like ever and even the bugs won't go and I and go and touch it. And once again, folks, I don't know if that's an actual story. If that was like a bit of a story I was told as a kid, not sure. But to me at this point, if that story is true, that's the Trudeau government at this point. It's kind of like, they have this amazing ability just to outlast everything. They are the cheese whiz of politicians, right? Like, it's just like any of these scandals would ruin anyone.

Like one politician, if they did this, this is like a giant landmine. Like beyond giant land. This is cataclysmic. And yet here they are with a minority government being propped up by another part of our, like I try to explain this to Americans. I'm like, I actually don't know how to explain it at this point that makes any sense and not make it seem like Canada as a make-believe country at this point. Like we're we are in a strange time.

And actually that's, you know, I was thinking from your guy. as a standpoint, the events of COVID, but more importantly, Ottawa, when they start freezing bank accounts, when they start, you know, start doing even more absurd, you know, I guess that's probably the most absurd thing, where you can see these banks starting to be like, nope, you don't align with our values, or you donated to this, we're freezing your accounts. I guess I'd be curious what was your thought process or what was going on on your side of the coin while those is going on because you're going like the way you talk about 2008 being the end times it's like what is going on here they're going to freeze bank accounts I assume there was a mad dash to your front doorstep back then 2020 was unbelievable and it started early in January so I mean as soon as the trucks started rolling across the country And you could hear the response that was coming out of our leaders, or our leaders, I apologize. Air quotes there for those people who aren't watching us.

More and more people started calling. And then for sure, when the response in Ottawa was to freeze bank accounts, I mean, it went off the charts. And just people calling in a panic. You know, people calling and saying, you know, I've pulled $400,000 out of the best. bank. How can I buy gold and silver with it? Sadly for us, we can't accept cash. And it was, you know, you're going to have to put that back in the bank to be able to invest it in precious metals. We offer storage, so secure storage for precious metals. And people are going, well, I don't want to put it back in the bank. Can you store my cash? And of course, storing large bricks of

cash creates even more problems and is just something that we couldn't do either. story after story, you know, speaking with a guy who, he was in Quebec, actually, and, you know, pulling $80,000 out of his account, and he's talking with the lady in front of him, and she's pulling $300,000 out of her account for the exact same reason. So, I mean, this wasn't just a Western thing or a, it was a Canada-wide thing, and it was certainly, I'd say anybody who was freedom-minded was, you know, completely, it destroyed a lot of what we thought of, you know, you grow up in this country and you have a view of what the country is and what it stands for. And I think that destroyed it and shattered it for most people.

And this was certainly confirmed when, I believe around May of 2022, I was speaking with our CFO. He would just join the company and told him what was going on with their customers. And he frankly didn't believe me because he's a CBC watcher. and he went and spoke with a CEO of a credit union based here in Alberta. And that CEO of that credit union spent a week on the phone nonstop, just convincing people not to pull their funds out. So, I mean, there was definitely a, maybe not a full bank run, but definitely a bank jogging progress in Canada at that point.

And I think that's why they backed down so quickly from the Emergencies Act is because they got a tap on the shoulder from the banker saying, end this now or else. Oh, you can imagine being in the banks and, and, like, those aren't, I'm taking $20 out. That is large sums of money. And if, you know, I don't claim to know everything about banks, but we, we, I think by now, I think most of us understand they can lend out more than they got. So if they all come back, if they all come back and take what they have, they are in a world of hurt. And certainly when a, when a.

When you start freezing bank accounts, man. Like, I mean, I mean, we just got a stare at, I forget his name. I should find out what this name. What's the cop in Ontario who donated $50 while he was off duty and got suspended for that and now is having to serve? Here, let me see if I can find a cop. Ontario donated to freedom. Have you heard, do you know what I'm talking about, Bill? I do know.

Constable Michael Briscoe received a penalty of 80 hours of unpaid work. He's a Windsor police officer who donated $50, $50 folks, to the Freedom Convoy, is launching an appeal because he was found guilty of discredible conduct, his lawyer says. Mike. Astonishing. And, I mean, the most amazing thing about that is that it was, made illegal after the fact. So effectively when you can retroactively make things illegal, are we living in a, are we living in, you know, a land rule by the law or is it rule of kings?

And it certainly seemed at that point in time, like we had a king and he was telling us what to do and what we were allowed to think. One other thing to kind of toss in along with that bank jog, Sean, is that so many of our customers experienced the same thing and this really, again, drove mistrust in the banking system in total. And it's something I've said for years is that it's your money unless you want to use it. And at that point, it's the bank's money. And the runaround that people had to go through to get their cash out of the banks, even smaller amounts like $10,000 and $15,000 was incredible.

And I think that was a giant eye-opener for people that, you know, maybe I'll keep what I need in there to float my monthly expenses or do whatever else I need. But anything other than that is coming out. and whether that's going to precious metals or real estate or some other kind of a solid asset that the government can't print or sees, you know, once that trust has been broken, it can probably never be rebuilt and we've reached that point. It's,

the amount of conversations I had in the period of, I want to say less than three months, but we'll call it three months because I, you know, memory to look back on those days is, It seems like a lifetime ago and also yesterday in the same sense. And the amount of conversations I had with big business, so guys who own their companies and go from anywhere from, you know,

like, you know, medium size to like full on, like giant companies. And the amount of them that were within, certainly in Alberta with watching the election, we're within a nose hair of pulling the pin and moving elsewhere and just calling it a day was. I don't know that's all I ran into and I know certainly in in this world I have an interesting view and the people who run into me you know obviously are seeing things go on that they dislike and are staring at this going where are we heading and and if Daniel Smith hadn't got in in Alberta the mass Exodus wasn't a joke that was

like full on full scale there is people gone tomorrow and they were like I don't think People can fully, I don't even know if I could fully understand, but there was people like actively searching out land in the United States, elsewhere, like not just the United States, not only for like just personal needs. We've had enough people come on the show, I think, that moved or, you know, when they weren't going to allow you to leave the country, took their families and went elsewhere.

But when it came to businesses, they were going to uproot everything, and we're searching out best places to land that. And I think Daniel Smith heard that message loud and clear. But, you know, when you stare at like Trudeau in that group of people, I don't think they had any clue what was about. And actually, the crazy thing is I'm not sure they cared, which even is probably more wild. You couldn't be more right. And we heard that repeatedly.

You know, people looking at certainly that's been something that, you know, just nonstop questions about how do I get my gold and silver out of the country? Because I'm out of here. I am done with this place. And I mean, I'm not, I'm not honest. I'm not quite ready to give up on Canada, but for sure, heard that over and over again. And Alberta, I mean, good Lord, like, if it weren't for the rural people, we would have an NDP government right now. So thank goodness for all the people who live outside of Calgary and Edmonton.

Otherwise, we would be seeing that kind of capital flight and, you know, flight of industry and flight of jobs that's probably, you know, I don't know if we can save that off in the future, but fingers are crossed. You just asked yourself or mentioned an interesting question. Can people, can silver gold bowl help people get their gold and silver out of the country? Because you do have two different locations, correct, in Calgary and Las Vegas? That's right. So, I mean, most people are looking to get it outside of that part of the world, you know, taking it to Central America or to Europe or wherever. That's just something we can't help with. The logistics, the customs and the duties.

I mean, it's going to be fairly difficult to put together. And insurance for transporting metals yourself would be non-existent. You'd be much better off selling and taking the proceeds and using those to buy elsewhere. People will occasionally mention something like a gold Maple Leaf, which has a $50 face value on it. And they say, well, I'm allowed to take $10,000 across the border. I'm going to take $200 of these, and that's $10,000. Don't do that. They're going to value that gold at the spot price and they're going to take it all from you.

or penalize you in whatever way, shape, or form. So, you know, playing games like that is probably not the best idea. But selling it and then rebuying wherever you do end up relocating is probably the best way to go. As far as Canada and the United States goes, though, is there an easy transition for that? Because there have been lots of people just go down to Texas, Florida. Honestly, I drove through South Dakota this summer. I think I talked enough about it on the podcast here, but like South Dakota was beautiful. I was rather shocked at how beautiful of a state that was.

And I point to those three specifically because through COVID, you know, I don't think I need to go into too much detail there. But I mean, like when it came to seeing things and doing things that this side of the coin really enjoyed, those three states, for the most part, were places of destination for a lot of people. Is it easy just to be like, hey, can you just send it down to your place in Vegas or it's not that simple? We can certainly look at doing things like that, and it can be sent to the storage facilities in Vegas, or we can, you know, buy the metal here in Canada and then have it repurchased and ship to them from Vegas. But we do operate the two companies. It is completely separate. It just brings up an interesting point that you look around the world and you go, boy, things are nuts here in Canada, but where are you going to move to? There are little pockets of sanity, but, you know, if you can take a quick political change, and, you know, that might be a pocket of insanity.

soon too. Don't you, like, I'm, I'm with you on, I'm an optimist. And actually, one of the things for COVID that I think is, you know, I don't know if it's a blessing in disguise or maybe like, you know, with all the bad, there are some good things that came. And of that is I keep running into people and companies such as yourself and others that I had no idea existed until, you know, certainly I started doing this. And certainly other people, you know, we were just talking about this morning.

you know probably if you're on the side of I don't know it doesn't matter what part of the agenda just any part of it there's probably certain key terms that when you say something the other person's like oh yeah I agree with you and on the flip side of that it's like if you didn't get vaccinated don't agree with whether it's the Sogian schools or climate change or the fact there's a Nazi in parliament or whatever. You just have to say like one or two words. And all of a sudden the other person is like, I know, oh, you're a freedom person, are you? Oh, interesting. And you almost have this like real fast come together moment, if you would.

And so when you talk about, yeah, like there isn't, it's not like there's like you just go to the United States and you're in freedom, love it. I mean as much as it is. And you go, so basically what you're pointing. to is you just have to create that community. Once you have that community, now you become one of the safe havens on the planet that's going to stand against what the heck is going on. And it is not just going on in Canada, although in Canada we are really, we're setting the speed limit for the rest of the world right now.

But certainly it can be done here as well. We're definitely setting an example in the worst way possible. In the worst way possible. Yes, we're driving backwards, folks, is what I meant. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm laughing because you just kind of said how people, you know, recognize each other in this social context. And I had that exact experience with a woman at a farmer's market. She's selling her local produce.

And within a couple of sentences, we kind of were looking at each other nodding and going, yeah, we're on the same team here. So it's amazing how it is just that one or two things you pick up on it. And for the other side, it's probably wearing a mask. You know, if you're a mask lover, you see somebody else wearing a mask? And it's like, yeah. like best on CDC. It's funny. The mass thing is just.

Yeah. Insanity. Well, I just, I feel bad for him, Bill, because I'm like, at this point, I'm like, if you're still living in that world, man, what a dismal place you think this planet is at this point. Because like, I just, you know, now it's been, you know, we, I, there was a group of us that started meeting December 2020. And I, this is not unique to our area. I think, or unique to our group,

I think like there's been so many of these groups across the planet that started meeting in, you know, different places. You know, the first meeting we had was in a gym and then it turned into a bull barn and you kind of get the, and then it continues to grow from there. But I remember hiding vehicles being like, oh, are the cops coming tonight? Like, can we just talk about some things? Does everybody else just kind of feeling like this doesn't make any sense?

And then, you know, certainly where we sit now, it's easy to talk about because you realize that there was a huge you know they love to call it a minority but I think there was a there was a healthy contingent of people that were all doing this whether it was in you know you mentioned Rocky Mountain House is where the company got its founding from I got like shut out to Rocky Mountain House there's a lot of great people out there um Drew Drew is one of the guys uh Drew McKay I don't know anyways it doesn't matter if you know who that is or not but AMC electrical out there. They helped with the Tuesday mashup. And I got a lot of time for Rocky Mountain House who've been out there. I didn't realize how beautiful an area that was. You know, it's like,

why would I ever go to Rocky Mountain House? And then you finally do, and you're like, oh, like, this is, this is gorgeous. So shut up to Rocky Mountain House, because they got not only a great little community going on there and some stories I think other communities could learn from. but they also like put their money where their mouth is you know and we're finding more and more of those communities starting to stand up and form and learn and kind of collaborate with other ones and and that gives me a lot of hope on where you know whether it's 2023 or the lead up to agenda 2030 or wherever we're heading with you know this silliness that that's what gives me a lot of hope and and I would assume you're staring that's where you get your hope as well for

Sure. I always like to think of these things as a pendulum that's swinging, and it feels like it's finished swinging in one direction. You're starting to see some pushback on the ridiculous things that are pushed by progressives, and we can only hope that continues. There are sane and rational people everywhere, but equally nuts people on the other side. Wasn't there a poll in the U.S. where I think it was some incredibly large number, at the height of the COVID panic, where they thought that 40% of Americans thought that parents who refused to vaccinate their children should have their children taken from them. So it's like, my kids are going to be taken from me because of a choice I made about their medical health or, you know, a medical choice that's theirs and mine alone.

Wow. So that madness, I think, is starting to break. And frankly, it's going to be economic hard times that I think breaks a lot of those things. You know, zero percent interest and free money for everything. Allows a lot of crazy money-losing ideas to be promoted as business. You know, like a we work or an Uber, you know, that have just been cash furnaces, have lost money every year they've been in existence and can continue to do what they do because more venture capital continue to flow in when there was no other way to get a return on your money.

I think those things are going to end, and I think all the social justice stuff is going to, you know, start to be dialed back as we move to a point where people are more focused on their day-to-day needs and struggling to pay for their day-to-day needs than having the ability to pursue those kinds of interests. Well, one thing I will say on the pendulum is what that elicits in my mind or what, you know, is I always say, of a pendulum it swings and then it automatically comes back and I had Aaron Gunn on here who's done you know you know documentaries on Canada's dying and a whole bunch of different ones and he said something that I've thought a lot about since he said it is he goes although it's a pendulum people have to remember that people it isn't just gravity that forced it to go one way it's people pushing and the only way it comes all the way back the other way is people pushing it back

the other way. So if you think it's just going to automatically go back the other way, that is not the case. And since he said that, I'm like, he is 100% correct because that's, I mean, just look at the, look at the polls and Saskatchewan's a perfect example, okay? Moe comes out and says, we're taking out the third parties out of the school and nobody under 16 can change their pronouns and consent to all this without the parents being in there. Everyone goes, hurrah, and marches off. Except what's happening in the last couple days. They got sued, an injunction has happened, which means what Mo said is no longer in effect,

which means, in theory, third parties can come back in, kids can still do what they want without their parents' consent, all this stuff, folks. And so now what it's leaning to is he going to use the notwithstanding clause. And that will push again and say, no, we're going to put this in, and I don't care if we're getting sued and you want an injunction. We're using the notwithstanding clause because this is what parents. And so people have to keep the pressure up to move that pendulum back and back and back. Because the other side is pushing as hard as ever to keep it going to, you know, where, I don't know, you want to be a dinosaur. You just say you're a dinosaur and the teacher goes, I guess he's a dinosaur. Things that you could have never fathomed, you know, think back 20 years and they're thought of as normal now.

I mean, words fail. Isn't that true? Words are like, well, one other thing before I let you out of here, you mentioned you can't buy in cash. Why can't you buy in cash? It just creates too much of a, I mean, in terms of anti-money laundering and know your client, it just creates a gigantic headache. First of all, being an online focused business, meeting people to exchange cash becomes difficult. There certainly are some businesses where you can do that, but the limits are very low. And you are for sure going to be, you know, you're going to be showing ID.

You're going to be reported to the government for your purchase. So it's not like you're escaping anything by buying in cash. I mean, you could probably do it for small amounts through classified sites. But it just creates, it creates too many headaches, I think, is probably the best way to put it. Do you guys not have a storefront? We don't. No, we're online only. I don't know if I knew that.

So if, well, that makes it nice and clear. Where do people go to in order to find you? So go to silvergoldbill.ca, or they can simply call our sales team 877-6446-5303. And again, there's no pressure whatsoever. If you just want to talk about precious metals for an hour, we've got that hour of time for you. And if you want to look for some guidance to clarify your thinking, we're here for you as well. Well, and the other thing is, is we've got to remember there are American. listening to this. So if there's an American going, well, I'm not in Canada, who do I call?

It's silvergoldbould.com, correct? Dot com and same phone number. Yeah, so.orgia.com, you can do both. It doesn't matter you're American, Canadian. It doesn't matter if you're, you know, in the backwoods of Helma and Saskatchewan to, in the big metropolis of, I don't know, where are we going, folks? I got a guy who runs a crane, and if he's listening to this, he's in downtown Toronto. He's, I said one day, Bill, I said, I'd love to hear where the listeners are listening to me from. Send me a picture and I'll put them out on social media.

And he sent me this picture of working on a giant crane on top of one of the, I assume it was a skyscraper. You know, me being closer to rural than the middle of maybe it was just a regular building. I don't know. But it was an unreal photo of being in Toronto. So you got people listening all over the place. and I would say one of the cool things is you can get it literally shipped right to your door. I think that's cool, you know, because I know where I sit, and I could be wrong, Lloydminster. Maybe we have somebody in town that I don't know about.

But for us, you know, it's basically a two-hour drive either way to Eminton or Saskatoon to go do what you've got to do, right? And once again, if this comes right to your doorstep, I mean, there's going to be a lot of farmers and a lot of people. that are like, that makes a lot of sense. But I do know they go, but I can't buy in cash. And I'd like to buy in cash. And so that might be the only caveat there that I've maybe found in the entire Silver Gold Bowl model. And certainly there's going to be people that are not worried about it.

But there are others that are like, it'd be nice if we could buy in cash. Yeah, the reality of buying in cash is you're going to be filling out a report and you're going to be reported when you do that at any of those local businesses. So it's not, you know, if you're buying $100 worth, you're probably okay. But if you're probably over $2,000, they're going to be filling out forms, you're going to be showing ID, likely providing your sin number. And, you know, it's much more obtrusive than buying through us. On our side, we have no reporting requirements, regardless of size of purchase,

a time of purchase. So it's secure that way. The shipping is ultra secure. It's anonymous. It's discreet. There's no mention of our company name. It's fully insured. So it's third-party insurance.

Even the carriers don't know the insurance value on what they're holding or what they're handling. So it's much better. I mean, I had purchased personally here in Calgary. And, you know, these stores tend to not be in the nicest retail areas. And you're walking down the street with, you know, $10,000 in your pocket and then $10,000 of precious metals in a bag. You know, it's not a great feeling. Much nicer and much easier and much cleaner to just have it shipped straight to your door and, you know, receive it in a very anonymous. fashion. Well, I appreciate you, you hop on and doing this. And I hope a few people pulled some

some nuggets out of here. I know since, uh, since Silver Gold Bull started with the podcast and I first ran into Nick and, and, uh, been talking a little bit more about it. Um, there's been different listeners reach out to me that have been like, I had no idea. There was something that was built in Alberta, you know, because a lot of us are big on supporting local. Heck, I'm, you know, I'm, You know, I'm about as local as I get, I think. And to find out that it's built right in our backyard, you know, is pretty cool. And I don't know why that surprises me. It should not.

But I think for a lot of people, you know, I was just talking to one of the guys that helps with the show. And he was bringing it up. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. You know, like, I guess, you know, people are taking notice. So I appreciate you coming on and giving us a little bit of insight into not only silver gold bowl, but a little bit of a little bit of a bill and a little bit of a little bit of a little. markets and everything else. Is there anything else you want to make sure the listener knows before I let you out of here? I don't think so. I think we covered all the ground. Again, just invite people to call. If they have questions, there's no pressure whatsoever to do anything.

And we can help clarify your thinking around precious metals. Well, I appreciate you hopping on, Bill. And, well, I tell you what, you know, I should, you know, we could talk about this after. Actually, you know what, hold on after. I got a couple of things to run by you because I'm coming to Calgary here to see. for folks, I suppose by the time this is released, it'll already have been done. So I guess I'll be in Calgary soon, and we'll talk about that after. Either way, thanks for coming on and doing this. Appreciate you making some time. Thanks, Sean. It was a genuine pleasure.

All right, folks, that was Bill. And oh, man, Bill, I'm going to, is it, it's Do Hanuk. I think it's Dohaniak. I mean, he's laughing in the background right now. I know he is because I'm like, don't mess this name up. And there's Sean going. This isn't interesting. Anyways, today's episode brought to you by Calrock Industries.

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That's based here in Lloydminster for those that are curious. One other thing, we've been talking a lot about Patreon and Substack. So as we sit here, we got three months left in the year, roughly, and we're trying to decide on Substack and Patreon. And I think what I'm hearing from listeners is we're leaning towards Substack, okay? And somebody said to me, I don't like rating, I only don't want to watch. And I want to clarify, Substack has the ability to put videos there so that you could just click on it,

and now you can just watch the bonus material. And what I'm trying to figure out for all you lovely people is I don't want to have 14 different landing spots. I don't want to have to deal with it. And we've got to find out which one's going to work for everyone and which one people would support. And it's sounding more and more like substack. Nothing is going to change until January 1. So if you have thoughts on that, shoot me a text, okay? And we'd love to hear from all you find people.

The other thing is, as I mentioned in the interview, October 24th, 25th, 26th, The Tuesday mashup is going live. This is going to be an interesting little go here. As we sit here, we're going to be at the Lumsden Hotel, Hotel and Bar, one of the two. I've been talking to the owner there, and so that's going to be a fun little night. And we're doing the Tuesday mashup live. We've never done this before. So this could be an absolute tailfire, or it could be a smashing success.

Me and twos are just going to try it out, and we're going to do it three nights in a row. So Lumsden on the 24th, on the 25th, it's looking like Clavet or in that neighborhood. So Cleveta is near Saskatoon, Lumsden near Regina. And then the final one is going to be in Irma, Alberta, on the 26th. So that is three live shows, three nights in a row. If you're interested in that, mark that down on your calendar. I would love to, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't even know what to tell you, folks. Other than you're going to get to see an origin story that could be an absolute tailfire. But we're going to try and make you laugh. We're going to try and have some fun. And if nothing else, I assume the group of people that come to that, will be enjoyable. Anyways, I'm going to stop Gabbin. That is it for me today.

We will catch up to you on the next one.