Shaun Newman Podcast - #510 - Greg Wycliffe

Episode Date: October 6, 2023

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I'm talking about Craig Wycliffe. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Greg Wycliffe. So, sir, first off, thanks for hopping on. Yeah, no problem. Thanks for inviting me.

You get a lot of great guests, so happy to be. Well, it's funny, you know, like, it's like, I don't know a whole lot about Greg, folks. And Greg goes, I don't know a whole lot about Sean. Perfect. This is the origin story of maybe 50 podcasts where we meet up 50 different times, or it'll be a one-off and that's totally cool too, right? But I look at different Canadians across, well, different people across Canada. And I go like, no, this person's got an interesting flavor to him. I'm like, I just want to find out a little bit more.

And who knows, right? Like I see some of the stuff you're doing on Twitter. and I'm like, you know, makes me chuckle from time to time. And if it does that, you know other people are. And see a little bit more about. And on the flip side, if you got questions for me, this is the lovely part of a podcast. You just fly away and we can have a little conversation.

That all being said, Greg, I want to start with you. I got to know a little bit more about who the heck Greg is. Are you a controlled CIA operative living in Canada? Are you just some random guy who started? I'm Mossad, actually. I'm Assad, yeah. No, I'm a media nerd, really. Kind of started out in media studies school.

I went to Western for media studies. I also went to radio broadcasting school at Fanshawech, worked in radio for several years, became a business development guy for video production, kind of pivoted to digital video. And then, unfortunately, I tripped and fell into politics because I just saw how biased the media was getting in Canada. And because I'm a media nerd, Erm, Erm, um, actually, I'm like, this isn't good for our democracy, the way that, um, you know, the bias is getting worse in this country.

And I, and I saw no one talking about it on top of that. Like no one cared at all about what I was seeing. Uh, and it's like, um, in university, I was taught that if there isn't a fair and honest conversation happening in mass media, we don't have a real democracy anymore. So I ended up running for the People's Party of Canada in 2019, before it was at all popular, you know, back when it was just like the racist brand of Coca-Cola. I found that out the hard way, shaking people's hands on the street. Oh, a young man running for politics, that's great. Who are you with? PPC.

They're like, you're a racist, neo-Nazi. Get out of here. I'm like, whoa, we have really bad brand recognition at the PPC. And that gave me an opportunity to start making my own propaganda or content. on YouTube to kind of fight back against that misinformation. It started from there. I started to flex some sort of, I guess I was a closeted creative, closeted kind of artist in a way.

I started to make some kind of parody songs. I dabble with the guitar now and then. And people seem to really like it. And at the end of the campaign in 2019, I lost. Can you believe it? Got about 700 votes. But, um, yes, I, yes, I was in, I was in like a socialist writing.

Sean, it was crazy. At one of the debates, give you an idea, the Green Party candidate and the NDP party candidate, grown men, by the way, stood up and turned their backs every time that I was speaking at this debate in front of a room, like a church full of 200 people. It was quite the experience. But the lesson there was, because I knew that there was propaganda and bias in the media, but I saw how it manifested in like real social life in Canada. I'm like, that is, that is, wow, it's way worse. It like snowballs into something much more ugly and social public life. Anyway, this is getting long-winded. So, you know, pandemic happened after 2019. What riding, like, where are you at, Greg? Like, what part of Canada are you sitting in?

So postal code is, no, I'm in Toronto. I'm in the big smoke in Toronto here. So, yeah. Tell me, tell me about, you know, there was this, a million march for children. There was this, there's rumor, but kind of spread on Twitter, but I'm like, it had to have been complete and utter bullshit. because when I looked at it, I'm like, if this was actually happening, all the big hitters would have come out because they were talking about tanks being on the streets of Toronto. I'm assuming that was BS. Jeez, man. I've been hearing all sorts of weird stuff about these east.

It's an East West convoy. It's a Save the Children convoy. And I've made a couple of videos over the past few days, actually, kind of disavowing this stuff because I kind of explain it, but it's all shrouded in secrecy. And it's like, oh, there's no plan. or like you're not allowed to know the plan because it like might have to do with a legal activity. And it's like, guys, this is this is not good. Like stay away from this, whatever this is. Because and to clarify, because people are getting all confused naturally because there's all,

this protest, that protest, this one's March for Children. This one saved the children. Right. It's like almost in, in intentionally confusing. So the above board quality protests that I support are Billboard Chris, who is doing this thing to protest soji or sexual and he's been doing this now, folks, for how many years? Because I mean, you go back on the podcast. I forget the first time I had him on. And that's well over a year ago. And he'd been doing it well before that. So this is, you know, Billboard, Chris is, you know, at the forefront of a lot of things because he was doing it for so long, right? And quite creative in the way he's been doing it. Yeah, and I think his billboard Chris's methods kind of proves that you don't have to overcomplicate things to be effective in politics because he is essentially focused on one single issue and he's done one single action, which is I'm going to focus on sexual orientation and gender indoctrination with kids.

I'm going to wear these signs and I'm going to start as many conversations as possible. At the time, people were like, hey, this guy's kind of crazy. You know, maybe he has like 10,000, 20,000 followers. He has over a quarter million followers now. Yeah. He's like he's very popular in the States. He's met, you know, Congress people. And it was because he was persistent with a kind of not boring, but like, you know, it's quite repetitive, quite simple.

And that's kind of, I think there's a lot of lessons to take away there in terms of what can actually make a difference. He has the ability when it comes to that single issue. I'm, I don't know if it's programming. I don't know if it's just the way I'm wired. It doesn't matter. That's kind of the same thing. where I'm like, yeah, it's probably not the big of a deal. Or, you know, like maybe they kind of got, or, you know, and he's, no.

And then he just lays it out. And in COVID, I had a doctor sit in here, Greg, Roger Hockinson. Now, people can love or hate Roger. It doesn't matter. He sat in the studio with me and just held me to a single thing. You can't two-step this shot. You cannot two-step this. This is the problem we have.

And when you meet those people, it's lovely because you basically have to choose right or left. There's no like, well, we can both kind of like, no, this is serious. We are giving children things that are going to alter their life. You're like, yeah, but, yeah, but what? Right. And that's what's beautiful about Chris's argument, right? Because he's all about having the conversation. It's simple, but he's intelligent.

He's well-spoken. And he doesn't allow you to kind of escape what he's asking or where he's going. No, no, no, no. Let's hear the thoughts. you want it okay well what is it and uh you run into those people from time to time and it's almost uncomfortable but in a good way to have those conversations yeah and you're touching on something that i'm very passionate about now which has to do with political strategy has to do with kind of communications it's all about framing it's all about how you frame the argument and what

billboard chris and this other person is doing well is that is they're framing it properly where the major part of the frame is like, okay, maybe not most, maybe there's not that many trans kids or maybe it's like only something that happens here. No, no, no, but this does happen. This happens. Okay. So what are we going to do about it? This, you know, sterilization of children, like these grave consequences of puberty blockers, this happens. This, you need to deal with that.

You need to confront that and decide from there. Whereas the left or somebody else might frame it as, how does this affect you personally? Why are you trying to, you know, terrorize trans kids? And they start to like sexualize kids with all these labels. And it's like it's very weird how they frame the argument. But, you know, people like to bring up facts or stats or statistics or, you know, different arguments. But really, it's framing. It's all starts with how you frame the argument.

Because if you don't frame the argument properly from the beginning, it's going to be a lot harder to kind of change minds. Well, then let's bring up something right now that I was just talking to Chris Sims from Alberta taxpayer Federation before we hopped on. and she's coming on before this episode gets released. She'll have been on the Tuesday mashup, and so people will understand where I'm going. And that is the CRTC. And that is this, you know, we want everybody to register. This is, and when I read their news release,

and I guess I could probably pull it up, and so that I can actually read it off to frame it here, or at least to give the background of what they've said, and then I'll allow you to. Well, yeah, no, that would be great, because I haven't had the stomach to look into this stuff. I've kind of been seeing it whizz by my newsfeed, and I'm like, this looks nutty.

So for the listener, I got booted out, okay? And this continues to happen. And, you know, I go back to my conversation with Jeremy McKenzie. I think it was either the one rate as we're leaving for the Freedom Convoy or one maybe just after. It doesn't matter because at the time he says something like, oh, yeah, like they watch everything I do. So now they're watching you.

And then I add an Eric Payne. and I know that Alberta Health Services or something along that lines has an entire writeout of the podcast I did with him. So I'm like, all right, well, now my name's in some government agency. And now you start having it where I keep getting kicked out when I'm hardlined in. And if it was once, even once a week, I'd be like, well, that was kind of strange. Like maybe there's a power surge or something. Like my brain can go rational with things. But when it has now happened, three podcasts in a row, boom.

Oh, boom. Oh, boom. I'm like, okay, this is getting a little funky here, folks. And this leads me to the CRTC and what it's doing. I don't know if you have any thoughts on people watching you, Greg, because it's a strange feeling for me when I go, I don't feel like I'm doing anything that extreme. I'm talking to people.

I'm not trying to incite violence. Some people say I'm promoting hate speech, but I go, you know, hate speech is an interesting thing. Who decides? And wait when it comes for you. you know, all of them doing is having people on to have conversations, but it's this weird feeling of being felt like you're like, you know,

they're hacking in and, you know, you make the joke. And I go, if only you were joking. Yeah, yeah. And I used to make a lot of content making jokes about,

hey, Canada's turning all communists and they used to be really funny. And now that it's kind of actually happening, it's like not that funny anymore. It's like, wow, okay, now they're really honestly coming after our freedom of speech on the internet,

or they're starting to add all sorts. of regulations. It's, uh, I mean, it's still something that we should make fun of and and we should point and laugh and try to humiliate the CRTC and all the people try to push this stuff. But it is scary. It is scary. And it is, um, it is something we have to deal with now. And, and you're right. You know, it's, it's crazy where your mind can go. You know, what, what power do they have? You know, what, what level of surveillance do they have? It's, uh, I try not to think about that too much because at the end of the day, it's out of my control Anyway, I don't see myself going down the deep rabbit hole of getting a super secure phone and getting Linux or whatever I have to do.

But let's put it, let's put it this way though, Greg. You're a content guy. You release things, right? I get to see them. And the CRTC, I'm going to come back. I'm going to read this off. That way you have the newsrease. It's not that long.

It says September 29th this past Friday. Today the CRTC is advancing its regulatory plan to modernize Canada's broadcasting framework and ensure online streaming services make meaningful contributions. to Canadian Indigenous content. On May 12th, 2023, the CRTC launched its first publication after thoroughly examining all evidence on the public record, including 200 interventions. The CRTC is issuing its first two decisions. First, the CRTC is setting out which online streaming services

need to provide information about their activities in Canada. Online streaming services that operate in Canada, offering broadcasting content, and earn 10 million or more in annual revenues, will need to complete a registration form by November 28, 2020, Registration collects basic information, is only required once, and can be completed in just a few steps. Nice and easy. Second, the CRTC is setting conditions for online streaming services to operate in Canada. These conditions take effect today and require certain online streaming services to provide the CRTC with information related to their content and subscription ship.

The decision also requires those services to make content available in a way that is not tied to a specific mobile or internet service. And third consultation is going out. It considers contributions to traditional broadcasters and online streaming services will need to make to support Canadian and indigenous content. The CRTC will hold the three-week public proceeding starting November 20th, 20, 23, and we'll hear from 129 interveners representing a broad range of interests. And quotes from it said, we are developing a modern broadcasting framework that can adapt to changing circumstances. To do that, we need broad engagement and a robust public records. I would debate this. We appreciate the significant participation during this first phase and look forward to hearing a diversity of perspectives to our contributions proceeding in November.

So that's what the news released from the government account. There's been a whole bunch more come out about that. But you look at it and you go, okay, 10 million in annual revenue. I'm like, well, I don't know, Greg. Maybe you put on a great front. Maybe you are making 10 million. I can certainly say over here the great list of guests I've had folks, I ain't making 10 million. So I go right away, I'm like, well, they aren't saying.

I have to register yet. And what they're doing is they're targeting, I would argue, Twitter, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Rumble, like you can see all the major platforms that they're going after. That's who they're going after. And if I extrapolate it a little further, where it leads is to where YouTube is right now, which I assume you know all about.

I don't know how anyone can get around it at this point. If you say the wrong word, your entire video is not only demonetize, but you can have your entire channel taken down. This guy, gone, in the night, nuked. And you're like, for what? I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just having conversations with people. They don't want that.

You talked to the wrong doctor. Is that what happened? I talked to the wrong doctor, but that was followed up by Chris Barber, who I mean, I don't need to really explain that one. And as soon as it was Freedom Convoy, everything was gone. Man, that's brutal. And I have so much to say on this.

I totally nerd out on this. But first and foremost, back to the CRTC or like C11 legislation. Nobody asked for this. Nobody asked for this. The only people who want this are freak bureaucrats who want more control in Ottawa. Like there's literally, it makes no sense. These baby boomers, no offense in Ottawa, have no idea how the internet works. And the only sort of explanation is just look to China, look to China, look at the infrastructure they have in terms of how they regulate the internet.

We're heading in that direction. If you were to poll everyone across the political spectrum, 90% of people will be like that that sounds dumb. That sounds stupid. Why are we doing that? And if you even look at the people who lobbied in favor of Bill C-11, it's quite literally all people who work for mainstream media. And these are people who are going to benefit the most from this sort of, you know, CRTC control because CRTC already works so closely with with all these mainstream media outlets like, you know, city TV, CTV, global. news, CBC, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, who you think's going to be just kind of more injected into all of our algorithms. It's going to be these organizations. So it's, it's frustrating

because it's, I feel like there's kind of like a pattern that we're seeing where there's just like this legislation being shoved down our throats. And seemingly we have no, you know, say. And we're just kind of gaslit into believing that this is a good idea because there's like some fringe minority online who are who are saying it's a good thing. When in reality, every, real person you talk to is like this is, this is dumb, this is stupid. This sounds completely absurd. And yeah, it's going to drive away innovation. It's going to drive away people from wanting to do business or do internet stuff in Canada. Obviously, it's a disincentive to want to do business here. But I guess you brought the free speech thing. Oh yeah. The thing with free speech, even aside from

the CRTC, aside from the government wanting to come in and insert themselves as some sort of authority on tweaking with the algorithms. Like we need more people tweaking with the algorithms, you know. Actually, before I get to that, I've worked in radio and I'm assuming it's the same thing in TV. People hate the CRTC. You have to jump through all these extra hoops in radio. You have to guarantee that it's like 35% can con. And if you're scheduling the music, CERTRTC is just the bane of your existence because it's like, oh man, I need to, you know, I need to

make sure I get enough, I don't know, Michael Bublay on this hour just to make sure we don't violate the CRTC rules. So people are constantly jumping through hoops to try and do this. And it's, it's horrifying to think how that might affect yourself or especially me. Like, you know, I mean, especially people like us who aren't making $10 million. Like if it's going to, if it's going to get that granular where it's like, okay, okay, Sean, like you, you talk to somebody who's in lives in the United States. Is that Canadian content enough? Oh, your microphone is from the United States or it's from Japan.

You know, because when it comes to the Canadian content system, they have this whole breakdown of how music is produced. And it's it's fucked. It's fucked and it's funny because I can imagine that everyone who works at the CRTC are like, how are we going to even do this? Like this doesn't even make. This doesn't even make sense. We're going to regulate the whole internet. And back to my original point, like, these people don't understand how the internet works. It's just a total mess.

The thing that I agree with you, but then I also think they're not trying to regulate the entire internet. They're going after the big boys. And the big boys control, you know, like, listen, I'm closing in on a million downloads for 2023. Downloads. Not talking social media. We're talking people searching out my podcast and downloading it and listening to episodes. That's a big deal, by the way. Thank you.

That's a big deal to me. You know, when I first started, Greg, I had, I think it was 26,000 in the first year, you know? So you extrapolate that out. We're not at year five yet. You go, wow. Like, I feel like that's, wow, you can see where I'm true. Okay. And that's largely off of having different guests like yourself and others from Canada that come on.

And when you get to have an open discussion and, you know, like does it go where every person, listening wants to probably not you know but overall it's it's Canadian content certainly but it's open and I get to talk about whatever I want to talk about as soon as you think that they could do what YouTube is doing you know like push YouTube into a corner like YouTube had to be pushed into a corner but you know at the end of the day I use YouTube because when I think about it that's the one that's affected me the most YouTube I was starting to see this giant when I went from having like a hundred views of a

video on there to overnight one day 20,000. And I was like, holy shit, what did I just do? And then like a week later, entire channel, gone. You couldn't find me on there. It was just disappeared. And you go, okay, if I think about what the CRTC is proposing and what you're talking about, they're not talking like, sure. Yeah, Sean could do it out as Jones is doing, right, and get a website and call it

Info Wars and try and draw as many people. He's made a successful living that way and had some people. But he's no longer, you can't just go. find Alex Jones on Spotify. And I'm not saying I'm Alex Jones, I'm not. But, you know, what they're doing is their target, to my eyes, Spotify. So now, are they just looking at Canadian content? Are they saying, you know, we don't want people talking about all these conspiracy theories.

They target Rumble, because Rumble has got to make more than $10 million at this point. Well, you can't have just anything on there. And if they do that, then people like me and you are in a world of hurt. You know, like one of the things you can love or hate Elon Musk, and you can think he's controlled by whoever. But one of the things for Twitter is at least you're seeing some things again, whereas it wasn't that long ago, a year ago, if you said the wrong word, your entire account was shut down. And it wasn't that big of a word to, you know, COVID. Ah, done. You know, you're having this doctor.

Dr. Meckton. Done. You're done. Toast. Yeah. Before even going into this government control that they're adding to big tech, because I do think, you're having. you're right. They are going after the big fish first. The funny thing about how big tech censors people or controls what can and can't be said. You know, it is like a fascist

dictatorship. And I'll explain myself here. You know, if I were to say something that is qualified as hate speech, because we brought up hate speech before, there is an actual classification of hate speech. It's basically if you say, I want to kill this group of people or I encourage people to like harm this group of people, right? Like, that is. his speech that is deemed criminal already in Canada, right? But if I were to say something like that, we would go to court and we would go through exactly what I said and exactly what was wrong with what I said. And then the court would make a decision based on the actual things that I said. Does that exist on the YouTube thing? No, they just shut you down. You have no idea why.

You're completely, the creators are completely left in the dark. What did I do? It's just shut, like, shut up, idiot. You know, you messed up, okay? We're not going to tell you what it was. We're not going to tell you the word. We're not going to tell you the phrasing. We're not going to tell you it's because you had this doctor on and really it has nothing to do with what you said.

It's completely opaque. And to me, it just kind of seems like we're kind of in the dark ages right now in terms of like how there's so no recourse, no sort of like clarification on what is allowed it isn't allowed. And what's really frustrating too is I think people have dug into YouTube and there actually is certain words that get flagged and that like kind of demonetize your video. It's like so they exist. So there are specific rules of what you can and cannot say that will get you demonetize. But it's like as a creator, even though you're making a living and working full time to like make yourself sustain yourself, we're not going to tell you any of this. It's very, it's very insulting and annoying, I think. And if you talk, if you're if you follow this

stuff, which I do, a lot of the YouTubers who commentate and give feedback to YouTube, they're like, this sucks. You know, like have a more open relationship with us. We're making you money because we're getting the views, YouTube. Like, can you please show us some respect? But of course, like very similar with the CRTC coming in, it's more of the same, which is we don't know what is going to be called Canadian content. How are they going to define it? You know, how clear is it going to be for us? Even if we try to make it more indigenous, How do we know it's going to pass their flag? Once again, we're left in the dark.

And it's just terrifying because I feel like everything the government touches, or even government in general, but especially the Canadian government, turns to shit. So it's like obviously not looking forward to this. And it could also have an incremental effect like COVID, where like this, this sort of phase is like, hey, it's just, it's just two more weeks, guys. It's just two more weeks. And then before we know it, we have to. you know, have a banner of Teresa Tam in the background of every podcast if we want to actually

make it into the algorithm and not get deleted. You know, all hail, I hail, I hail Fauci or I hail whoever. Like, that's how we need to get our podcast monetized now is to, uh, to worship the, um, you know, the health, public health and safeties are of the province or something. You know, we joked in them, not that long ago. It was March when I had, uh, a group of, um, media, we did a live show, brought people in and we talked about legacy media. So I brought in, you know, like a legacy guy who'd work for CBC, independent journalist now. But it is, and is, Byron, I apologize, I can't remember if you're in your 70s or late 60s, but you get the point. He covered a lot of things, very interesting, man.

And then Chris Sims had come and she's like a, she's a firecracker, right? And on it went, Wayne Peters. And we talked about these things. back then and I thought oh yeah we you know we got time and whatever else and and now here we sit and I'm just like can you imagine a day where an actual and I hate to say actual but there it is actual Nazis shows up in Parliament and then you know what you can't talk about you can't say the word Nazi anymore you know only if it's in this this time of light you know I I've the reason I bring up

hate speech is because I've actually had someone say that and to me and I'm like well what did I do and I think when I think hard enough about it is I had somebody on I actually had both sides about First Nations and about the the the graves and one of all I walked in not understanding what I was walking into and he's saying the graves aren't there and I'm like oh man I just pissed off a lot of people and then I brought in another person who said no no no there's there's definitely you know and we kind of had I hope a little bit of both sides of the coin just both flavors just to see just to talk about it but did you have them on at the same time?

I didn't. And that was my fault. That was my fault. That was back when I was doing some shows for the Western Standard. I had one and then I went, holy crap, I got to tell a little bit of a more balanced conversation and I had the other. And so it was two parts, but it would have been better if it was together. I agree with you.

But regardless, I think the side where I got the hate speech, I was like, hate speech. Like, what have I done? Like, I don't think talking about things can be deemed. can be deemed hate speech. Maybe you dislike what they say, that's fine. But to say directly somebody that's hate speech, I'm like, think about that. Think about your own emotions.

And how one word or a series of thoughts can deem you to call somebody else's thoughts hate speech. That's a problem with you. And part of society is there. And you go back to the PPC thing and running for that, Greg, that's a wild story. Where grown men would stand up and turn

they're back to you like wild yeah and and that's really it's all part of the same tactic that's hate speech you're racist you're a fascist you're a nazi these people can't debate the actual topic and it's obvious and it's just really frustrating and kind of embarrassing for them at this point and i have really kind of embraced the cynicism of politics i think and uh so it's like yeah these people saying you're not saying that it's hate speech, you're not going to convince them of anything. They're kind of ideologically captured. They are the enemy. Unfortunately, I hate to use that language, but they're kind of the enemy.

They are, they are not approaching the conversation with any amount of good faith. Okay. Like they're approaching the conversation to try and vilify you and associate you with the worst kinds of things. You know, being called a racist isn't like a nice thing to be called. actually being called a racist is one step away from a white supremacist which is one step away from a Nazi and these same people say punch a Nazi so they're kind of dehumanizing you to eventually i don't know justify violence against you and i don't really feel ashamed to take it to that extreme anymore

because stuff is getting violent out there we saw this young 18 year old protesting against the gender indoctrination his name's nick alexander he got punched in the face by a bunch of antifa people And, you know, the cops didn't even look for the NT people who did this. And they dragged this young 18-year-old bleeding from the face off in a cop car. And it's at that point where it's like, if you have right-wing views or people say that you espouse hate speech or that you're homophobic, then people can just be violent against you, I guess. And the media will ignore it. And the politicians will ignore it. And the police will ignore it.

And it's, it actually has gotten to that point now where, um, yeah, it's, it's kind of gotten to this point of a progressive sort of dehumanization of people who think the wrong way. So, you know, when it comes to someone who's saying hate speech, it's clearly someone who I think is an ideological enemy who is not here for any sort of good faith conversation. And I'm going to definitely just steamroll them, laugh at them and, you know, use my aggressive, uncompromising, unapologetic tactics to destroy them peacefully. of course. But yeah, I have no patience for that stuff anymore, not at all. Well, it's interesting. You know, I remember the first time on the podcast, I had the little warning label come, COVID misinformation or what they used to put at the bottom of the point. So I was almost disappointed by the end when I wouldn't get one of those labels on an episode. I'm like, yeah, dang, what did I talk about last one?

I didn't go hard enough, right? Because there was a series of almost 100 podcasts in row where this little COVID misinformation tag was talking. It was a bad. genre by the end at the start I was like what what are they doing but by the end if you know I don't know about you but to me when I was looking at podcasts I'm like I need to listen to that something in there has got a little grain of truth not saying all of it but when they're putting that label down you know something's going on and I I joke about this all the time when I read the newspaper or have watched a little bit of mainstream coverage of anything if they're

hammering on somebody they're hammered on Greg I'm like I should probably just go talk to Greg. You know, it's almost like you're putting a spotlight now where I need to go. And that's interesting because I think over time they've learned that. And so now they almost feel like the, I was watching my son do it. And my brother had a barn dance on the weekend. And they have a young dog. And my son had like a flashlight.

I'd seen it with cats. I'd never seen it with a young dog before. But he had the flashlight and my son's four. And so he's running around with the flashlight and the dogs chase him trying to catch the light. And he finally learns it, like a four-year-old finally learns it and starts to like shine it and the dog's chasing around and I'm like that's mainstream media I think right now. I think they've realized finally that if they point their spotlight on Dr. Peter Mercola Everybody goes in interviews them now. Why? Because something something is up. But now you saw all the things with the aliens and everything and I'm not saying there's no aliens. I'm not saying anything like that. I am saying that they're starting to learn. that if you point the light somewhere, there's a whole group of independent media

that go and try and find out the real story. And man, that's about as confusing as it gets. And when you get people confused, they can't make up or down, that's COVID all over again. Yeah, yeah. I think there's a lot of truth to what you're saying because I do the same thing. Whenever the media is like, hey, this person's racist,

it's like, I better check this person out. I better see what they're all about. what they're all about because that usually is the telltale sign they are trying to cancel dehumanize this person for a reason and if you talk to people about their red pill journey right you know what i mean by red pill journey are we is that yes right discovering the truth of hey maybe the media is lying to us um a lot of people's journey actually starts with something like that where somebody they like or somebody they know is getting smeared by the media and they're like well that is that really they're there are a racist or there are this or there are that and then when they see something that like it connects to them personally and they see this smear affecting them personally that's when they i'm going to do a little bit more looking into this and then they're like wow the media lied and that's kind of light bulb that's kind of when this the gears start to turn slowly they're all rusted and dusty but the gears just start to turn hey maybe the media actually has their own agenda and they're trying to cancel this person for

certain reasons. So what was your red pill journey? What's the thing that set you off or down the hole? Yeah. So it was it was a couple things. I would say there's kind of two phases. There was the there was the radicalization phase where I actually got involved in politics. But before that, it was simply just Trudeau getting elected or about to get elected.

Because I thought this was interesting. I'm like, okay, who is this guy? He seems young. He seems hip. Let's check him out. And I went right to his Wikipedia. page and I'm like, is this it in terms of work experience? Like that seems pretty lacking work experience. You know, I was in a big shot at the time, but you know, I had some big

clients as a salesperson in radio and I'm like, I feel like I got more business acumen than this guy. He's going to be the prime minister. Really? That's got like he hasn't even worked in business hardly. He's like a been a chronic student, blah, blah, blah. So I saw that happening. I saw this sort of rose tinted glasses around how amazing this person is. And then I saw the absolute vilification of Stephen Harper on social media, and I found it fascinating. You probably remember, they had this photo of the dead Syrian child on the beach, and I saw this plastered all over Facebook, and people were literally connecting the two and saying, like, Stephen Harper killed this kid.

Like, he literally killed this kid. And I saw all just like this hateful vitriol Iran Harper and also him like, you know, censoring scientists. And like, I kind of did a bit of the research. I'm like, well, it's kind of a gross exaggeration of the thing. But it didn't matter because it was just picking up so much steam, all this hatred around Harper. So that's kind of when I started to realize how there's a very interesting relationship with how, you know, information is disseminated online.

The truth doesn't really matter. It kind of gets exaggerated a lot. That was kind of my first interest into paying attention to politics. And then the big red pill was the Toronto mayoral election with drum roll, get ready, Faith Goldie. Okay. So a lot of people, controversial character, of course, she's made some decisions to be on certain podcasts in the past, which probably weren't great for her career. But the point is, we do live in a democracy.

You have every right as anybody else to run. I'm pretty sure she got, like, quite a good number of votes in Toronto, by the way. She was the only person talking about the rising crime rate in Toronto. But here's where I really got Redfield. I worked in radio at the time. When there's a election campaign, I sell ads, right? The CRTC rules say, hey, you cannot break. You need to make sure that you charge everyone the same amount of money for airtime for the election.

If they're an election entity, if they're a party running, right? It makes sense. You can't give one candidate a cheaper ads, ad space. That's not fair. Sure. Freedom of access to the airwaves, something like that. Faith Goldie showed up. She spent like 10 or 20K on a bunch of ads on AM 1010.

I forget the call letters, but it's a Bell media entity. And she recorded the phone call when the ad guy, salesman, called her back and said, yeah, we can't run your ads. And she's like, why not? Yeah, we just can't run your ads. So then I'm there after being in radio for four years, getting it drilled into me by my boss. You need to charge the same amount. And then also two years of Fansha College radio broadcasting school where it's like, if you break the CRTC rules, you will lose the license. you will be destroyed.

You know, like this was drilled into my head in college. And then I see these CRTC rules based on a Toronto mayoral election not being upheld. And no one is talking about it. And then of course, on top of that, they're banning Faith Goldie from debates. And then there's the then there's the fail safe. There's the fail safe, Sean, which is the CBC. It's the public broadcaster, which is there. I know it's being a media nerd.

The CBC is there publicly funded. just in case the private media sector fails us. And what did CBC do? They posted this weird article that said, we're CBC. There's a Toronto mayoral election. We always have a debate. It's very important to have debates because of democracy. And that's why we're not having one this year.

You know, there don't mention of Faith Goldie or anything. But it was like, okay, so even the public broadcaster is failing us to uphold this public sphere, this mass media public conversation to decide who to vote for. So I saw all CRTC failing, CBC failing, and no one talking about it. I was just there on Reddit. Like, guys, what's going on? And of course, Reddit is like very, there's a very far left bias. But, and like I said at the beginning, I saw like the foundations of our democracy, like,

with like major cracks. No one talking about it. And I just thought, this is, this is a problem that's only going to get worse. And here we are, right? I'm going to be honest. I don't know who Faith Goldie is. And so your story is fascinating to me because I'm like, you know, one of my red pill moments was the last election. And the reason it was was because I think Maxine Bernier, you probably know this better than I do.

Or maybe you didn't, I don't know. Sure, I can fill in some gaps. What was what was PPC polling before? the major, uh, debates. Uh, before the last election in 2021. Correct. Oh, geez. I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not a nerd when it comes to the polls. Okay. It doesn't matter. In my mind, I, I, I could be wrong on this, folks. It could

be 5%. It could have been 6%. It could have been 4%. It was summer and it was a percent. Right. Is in so anyways. A single digit percent. Yeah. It wasn't this crazy number. But if you look at what the Green Party polls, it's not this crazy number. If you look at the block Quebec polls, it's not this crazy number. You know,

you got the, you get the CPC, you get the liberals, and you get the NDP. Those are your three big players roughly, you know, once again,

none of them are walking away with 72% of the vote. So I'm watching this thing, and this is probably the first time I've ever watched the federal debate where you have them all on stage.

I'm sitting there on watching. They're so boring in Canada, man. Anyway. They literally had a question. and the leader of the Quebec, I'm forgetting his name, he goes, yeah, I don't want to be prime minister, so I'm just going to pass the question.

I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? We have a debate. We are making a mockery of our democracy. When you put somebody up there who doesn't even want to be that role, and we held back, like, love or hate the PPCs, Maxine Bernie. I mean, at the time, I mean, love or hate it. I give a crap. what people think i go we're having a national debate either go you got to be over this threshold

and make it so black and white so now you have you know honestly uh old o'toole punched me in the face that was a horrendous uh you know like you're just like this is conservative party and then you had trudeau and then you got jagged me and maybe the three of them and away you go and fine whatever instead they had the the black lady with the green party which was like she didn't even have answers well that's not part of our you know we don't I haven't really thought about you're like you're on a national stage and you don't know what you're you don't have a plan in place for this policy like I can get up there and do this better and then you go to Quebec people or not Quebec people the party and he's like ah you know I'm not going to pass on that question because you know like I'm not running for the prime minister anyways like and we held so that right there you just see the manipulation if the PPC wants to be and they're polling at similar numbers to the green, they should have been on the stage. And if you don't want to be prime minister,

give them the heck off the stage and be done with this. Like, what are we doing? And pretty well, all of the questions, too, I think I don't know if I even watched that whole debate, but pretty well every single question just sounds like a CBC slash liberal party talking point policy item, you know, like it's obviously all so fabricated. And I have a friend who, who said this to me once and it keeps coming up, which is Canadian politics is so controlled.

It is so controlled to such an insane degree that any time that something goes awry, like a protest, they're always trying to smother it. Both the politicians and the media, they're working together to try and smother any sort of organic thing to try and make it something else or kind of use it to their advantage. You know, trucker convoy is a perfect example. They told so many lies about it. And they still haven't really been called out or faced any sort of music,

faced any sort of consequences for that. Back to that debate, the major noteworthy thing about that debate was, they didn't talk about vaccine mandates. Like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? It was just sort of this assumed thing. Every single party across the board, it's like, well, we're definitely getting a Rivecan and all that. We don't even have to talk about it. That was insanity.

That was insanity to me. And of course, the consequence was the trucker convoy, you know, several months later. but um yeah no the the the the level of rhetoric well actually i would say this relates to the the nazi thing really well than the the nazian parliament my commentary on that is i think way too many people are focused on the actual nazi and his past as opposed to christia freland applauding as opposed to the everyone who was applauding the nazi like a a seal Oh, irp, irp, up, up, up. And this confirms something that we already know and kind of what you're alluding to,

which is these people just kind of follow the script. They follow what they're told. They don't even do their own research. They're basically just drones, automaton drones that follow the party line or even just follow the establishment line. Oh, we're going to clap for Zelensky and not even think about it. It's, uh, it's shameful. It's shameful.

I'm not so hung up on, on the whole like, oh, it's a Nazi thing. Because people are like, can you, can you believe? Can you believe that we applauded a Nazi? And it's like, I actually can. Yeah. Remember the most progressive politician in Canada, Justin Trudeau got caught wearing blackface and he doesn't even know how many times he wore it. Okay. Oh, by the way, he's a feminist and he kicks women out of his cabinet. Feminist, by the way. Like it's just, yeah, okay, he applauded a Nazi. Yeah, sure. He's pro-democracy and he crushed peaceful protesters at the truck or convoy like this isn't anything new guys of course they applauded a nazi like this is not this is par for the course is it not am i crazy you you're not crazy um

i think it's just even from where i sit and knowing it's like chuck prodnick military guy who's been on the podcast lots always talks about a bingo card you know i didn't have this on the bingo card you know and you think when they've hit a new level of like they can't top this then they applaud an actual Nazi and you're like like I didn't see that coming like it's like they've stepped it up even another level to like because like we all got a red pill journey maybe the actual Nazi red pilled a huge chunk of Canadian population I like to hope so I like to hope but I also know here's to hoping yeah but I also know there's a ton of people that don't even know what the hell's going on and they're just kind of like yeah something about a Nazi over on the other side of Canada and you know

what's funny I was probably that person 10 years ago you know like I don't have to go that far back in my life to go it wouldn't have mattered if uh you know um not an a bomb that's that's a little extreme but you know you kind of get the point of something extreme happens out east i was a young guy and i was chasing tail and i was just you know i was i was worried about different things in that stage of my life and i probably wouldn't even have lifted my head i would have been like oh yeah something something was going on over there what did the oilers doing did uh mac david score last night and i would have been on to the next thing here i said i'm like sitting staring at this and i go can't go up another notch.

Look at all the notches they've been going up. And yet they did it again. And then like a couple days after the CRTC comes out and says, oh, and by the way, we're going to start regulating all these different social media platforms to make sure that, you know, the messaging is Canadian content focused on indigenous and the French. You're like, okay, this is not ending. And they're going to keep leveling it up even for me who's staring at all this. And I just hope the leveling up hits a peak pitch that hits through to more people so they can get as upset as I sit here and be and I'm trying to just be like the duck on water and be like, you know, I'm working as hard as I can, but I'm calm as a cucumber on the surface.

Because like, I don't know. Like it just goes another level every single day, it seems. Yeah, it is. And it's only going to get worse. And I say that because in order to thrive in this environment, I remember. I really encourage people to embrace the chaos. Because if you don't embrace the chaos, you are not, you are not going to make it, kid, you know. And the other thing, too, along with that, you can't get too attached to this stuff.

You know, take it from someone like myself or yourself. There's going to be more bullshit every day, okay, whizzing by your Twitter feed or wherever on your Instagram feed. And it's important to be passionate and to try and, you know, raise awareness and all that. But I know people, you know, even myself, you can get blackpilled, as the kids say. You can really get overwhelmed with feeling helpless and demoralized. And I do feel that some of this stuff is kind of designed to do just that. Like, I'm helpless. I can't do anything.

When back to the Billboard Chris example, there is something that you can do. And a lot of the times it might sound kind of boring. It's about kind of being persistent and saying, this is what I believe. I'm going to start more conversations and just kind of being consistent, banging your head against the wall day after day, kind of like your podcast. You got it looks like you got concrete, which is great. To, you know, bang the head, really get a good, get a good shake to your system there. But there's something else I was going to bring up there.

Well, while you think on that, I just go, one of the things that's nice about what I do is I just continually interview people. And by talking through with people, different things, it actually helps me, like, relax a little bit. Sometimes you bring some, you know, I just had on Eric Hecker. That really worked as a plumber and a firefighter on the South Pole in Antarctica, talking about directional energy stuff. And it's just like, this hurts my brain. And so I got a ton of tech. What do you think of all this?

And I'm, you know, I got lovely people who text, and I'm not trying to make you sound extreme whatsoever. Just like, the general thing is, is like, let's talk about this, which is a good thing. Except I bring those people on and some of it sticks. Some of them are like, even if that is true, I don't give a shit. Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I got my own problems to worry about. And what are you going to do about it? Well, directional energy. It's like, if they have that capability, and by the looks of it, they probably do.

All these brilliant people that come on here, when I get to that point, what can we do? And they go, focus on community. Because when the worst happens, you're going to need community. It's, when you talk about simple and mundane, you're like, no, no, we got, there's got to be something. else like no focus on community talk to people build a community because when tragedy happens you need to rally around each other to make sure chaos doesn't ensue yeah yeah and i will kind of interject the point here really quick because there's been this sort of rumors of a save the children convoy and the east-west convoy and there's another one uh on a stand for thee with two e's and

they have this plan that they're going to arrest Trudeau by like sending this document through some like mailhole slot. Like it's like, you know, shooting a missile into the death star and the whole thing's going to explode. It's like, guys, it doesn't work that way. Like there isn't some shortcut that's just going to save the country, unfortunately. Like what you said is is exactly the solution. It's going to be a long thought thing. You need to connect with like-minded people. There needs to be a degree of professionalism and organization and sort of whether it's building parallel institutions, whatever it might be. But, you know, I worry about some of these kind of hostile sort of convoy things that, you know, fill in the blank, something, illegal activity. I don't know. It's like, guys, that's not going to work. I'm sorry to say, it's not going to work. And you might screw us all over by justifying legislation to basically criminalize people who think like us. So, yeah, don't do that. Don't follow these. Don't chase these white rabbits that tell you, we're going to get rid of Trudeau tomorrow. All we have to do is like, you know, block Main Street or whatever. Like, it's, Sorry, I wish it were that easy.

That's not how it works. We're going to have to do some white-collar work. We're going to have to do some kind of community building, like you said. One of the things that I think people have a hard, I've had a really hard time understanding is like, this didn't happen overnight. And honestly, it's taken decades to get where we are. And it's like to dig us out, maybe doesn't need to take that long. But I think understanding, like, it just didn't, it just didn't happen overnight.

None of this happened overnight. And to get out, to build things, to get on the rights, it's going to take work. It's going to take, you know, as so many guests on here have said, like, you know, it sounds kind of mundane getting involved on a school board or a ring a board or a minor hockey board or whatever board you're talking about. it's like getting involved in your community. Gee, that doesn't sound that flashy, except, you know, like the Freedom Convoy, I don't know, we've talked about this lots. It was such, because of the circumstances,

it just happened. I have my own view of it, and certainly, Greg, you being on the other side of the country, I'd love your thoughts. But, like, it happens so naturally. I know, I know, yeah, organically, I know there was more to it than that. From where I saw,

it was just like, you can see these things when they come by and you're like that's it that we yeah way we go and then you can hear about all these different things going on like you've been mentioning and i don't know like none of them have caught me the the million march for the children i knew was never going to be um i knew there was going to be a marches coast to coast but the thing that really stuck out to me was uh the muslim man offering like hey all of us let's march together around the kids i was like that's brilliant. I think we could get behind that. And there's going to be a few like that, but not everything every weekend is going to be

identical to that. And nothing's recreating the freedom convoy because nothing until we get there can have the same consequences of what was going on to push everybody down so that when it comes, they organically just blows up. Yeah, yeah. And politics, people like to say there's no political solution sometimes. like they'll say, oh, there's no solution, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, politics is about power, and it's about moving people in the same direction to influence those in power or change things.

So at the end of the day, even, you know, these protest movements are politics in action. And like you said, there is something organic that happens or there's something that makes it powerful and meaningful and significant. And usually it's when it reaches some sort of critical mass in terms of numbers. And obviously we saw that with the convoy. And we saw that to a degree with the million march for children. You know, like it was quite successful in terms of going to 80 different cities

and raising awareness about this issue. And I think the, you know, the urgency, yeah, things happen naturally. Things happen organically. The urgency needs to line up with other people. Another kind of telltale sign of something being natural and a quality kind of movement is there usually is some sort of leadership. There usually is some sort of person who's posting a video. that they have a plan.

They're kind of reassuring people that this is what we believe and encouraging people to come support. And that's kind of just a telltale sign of like a good protest movement, whereas like some of these other ones going on sound very sort of unclear. Cloak and dagger. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, and the thing is, is a lot of people kind of feel that. They feel intuitively, they feel this kind of intuition of something feels off.

And it's like, well, if something comes off, then you should probably listen to that. Well, I mean, you just, you just watch there's people in this space Greg that you probably admire and certainly I admire and when they start talking and bring some credible and you start listening you're like huh that's interesting right and when there isn't a ton of that you're like why isn't there a ton of that like why hasn't somebody started championing this and why is there people talking and I just sit here it doesn't take one person one way or another but usually um you know there's enough

independent folks in Canada now. When they start talking about something, you can pick up on it. I mean, like, this isn't the early days of COVID. The early days of COVID are gone now. Like, there is actually... We're in the middle of a pandemic right now, Sean. We're in the middle.

It's in the middle of the pen. Sorry. Can you believe they're, you know, you got Teresa Tam with the mask back on, you know, get your booster, get up to date. I'm in Toronto, man. There's a lot of people wearing masks down. here it's crazy not a lot like the the majority but but you know one in 10 maybe you'll see someone

wearing a mask yeah but think about that still 90% aren't wearing masks and you're like why is there one person wearing a mask they're a they're a victim of uh what i like to call psychological terrorism a k a c tv news you know uh they're still affected by that uh by that two years of unrelenting propaganda of you're gonna die are you sick yet are you sick yet do you have the sniffles? Did you get the jabs yet? It's, uh, and like I laugh, but it really, it's wrecked people. It's destroyed people's families. It's destroyed their, their psyche. Uh, they don't trust. Can you imagine being a seven year old, six year old kid and you're told by the TV, by your mom and dad, by your teacher, by everyone around you that like, don't go outside without a mascot or you're

going to get sick and die and kill grandma. Like we really have not done a sort of, uh, post-mortem, aftermath calculation of all of the horrible kind of consequences that we've caused over our sort of hyperbolic response to the to this to this virus you know and not only that the establishment is kind of just moving on from all of it and acting like everything's hunky dory and everything's fine and basically trying to implement it again you know it's um i i don't want to sound like too much of an extremist but like kind of back to my example of the this 18 year old getting punched in the face and the cops not caring. It's like, yeah, there are people who are vaccine injured. There are people who are facing grave consequences from what was forced upon us, whether it could simply just be

mental illness and depression because of how horrible lockdowns were. Or like I said, their family getting ripped apart from this propaganda. And we have the receipts. I'm sure you've interviewed someone from the National Citizens Inquiry. We stacked up all those receipts at the National Citizens Inquiry. And it's like, let's let's cast these in. Let's start like using these. Let's start weaponizing these against the people in power because, yeah, there's, we got to show some accountability and really some self-respect at the end of the day. Because if we don't stand up for ourselves and kind of continue to push against what happened to us, then they're going to keep doing it. Right. And the topic I told you I wanted to bring this up on our chat is like, I really don't

like this conservative party. I really don't like Pierre Pahliev. He is not doing any of that, you know? It's like, hey, do you want to actually vilify Trudeau? You want to actually have full range freedom to call them a tyrant, to call them a dictator, to call them a, you know, disgrace to democracy. You have all the receipts to do that. But you're not because you actually help justify the lockdowns. You kind of supported the vaccine mandates as well. I guess you're not even on our team, right?

Right, buddy? Right, Pierre? Well, anyway. Here's, I'll tell you a little story. and then I would love to hear if the thinking is what the conservative team is doing. And maybe I'm completely off my rocker. And I don't mean it good or bad because a lot of what I'm about to say I think is insane. We had a meeting with a local perspective politician, okay?

So running into politics. Who's we? Just a group of guys. Brought a man. wanted to talk, you know, like, let's find out what he's about. And running to be MLA, okay? Okay. Okay.

That's provincial, right? Provincial. Yeah, okay. And so asked, one of the guys asked, what's a woman? Just, and he paused for a long, too long, you know. And then he said, well, I personally believe a woman and then, you know, says the, you know, like, what a woman is. Set of this,

has those parts, you know, kind of thing. Like an adult, a human adult female. Yes. Right. And I go,

like my brain is just like, why did you have to say I personally? When you become a politician, once you say we believe, or like this is where the party stands. And I'm talking about the SAS party, folks. I'm talking about the Saskatchewan,

the governing party right now that got COVID right, was so great. Scott Moe was the best, right? He kept things open. He wasn't that best. bad but I mean you talked to Francis Christian a doctor who lost everything for trying to get more consent for children and things like that like Saskatchewan

has its blemishes oh wait we had a snitch line oh wait we had the secret police going around ticking and everybody like I mean okay we we had our own things so he goes well back to this little woman thing he goes well the thing is you know the cities have what they believe and we have to, you know, if we come out hard and firm on something, we could lose votes and we want to make sure. And I'm like, yeah, but it's not true.

Like, there's a woman and there's a man. Right? I'm not saying you can't want to be the other one. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying, could we agree take human beings out of it? You got, you got cattle? You got a bull? You got a cow? Look at, do we try and be like the bull can become a cow

and give birth? Like, that's an insane. idea and we all know it's insane and I'm like just because a loud minority in the city is pushing and saying this and this and framing the argument doesn't mean the provincial government shouldn't come out and say listen there's a man there's a woman you can be whatever you want to be but let's be clear there's a man and a woman and I if I could see that happening in Saskatchewan am I safe in saying the conservative party goes in there it's it's literally their He'll he'll, I think this is Achilles heel of politics. He's like, instead of just coming out and being black or white and being like, listen, there's a man, there's a woman.

Or in COVID sense, like, we got it wrong and attacking it. They're like, but part of this, you know, like we got to win Toronto. And Toronto's got its own set. And there's a huge. So if we come out this, you can tell they're like trying to do all this math behind scenes. And the rest of us are like, fuck the math now. Just come out and be black and white for once. And we'll all come and vote for you.

You don't have to be like, throw like the big bazooka at them and call them all. And it's not like he's saying, like you can't say that things done to First Nations in the past and currently isn't bad. I know there is. But to just like fall on every grenade, just like the liberals are, is like, what are we doing? Just there's some truths in the world. Just speak them so we can all just be like we're living in this weird world. but they look like they're doing math. Like, well, this is what Western can.

So if we come over to West and we say these things, we'll win things over there. It's like old school politics or something. I can't quite understand it. But when I look at the conservatives, that's what I see. What do you see, Greg? Sean, the more I look into this phenomenon, the more disgusted I become. These people are saying we're going to save the country from Trudeau. We're going to save the country from these far leftists.

But I also can't even say that there's only two genders. It's like how the how the fuck do you think you're going to save the country? If you can't even say the most basic fundamental truth like that, like give me a break. Get the fuck out of the way. It is absolutely shameful. It's like the cowardice is insane. And I don't really know if they even believe what they say or not. I think this sort of belief that we have to do this for the polling because it's more socially acceptable.

I think they could genuinely believe that or it could have to connect to the United Nations. because this weird gender stuff, it does come from the United Nations. And the United Nations has its hands. I'm sure you've talked to people about this plenty of times. But there is a principle from the United Nations that basically is like gender, women, equality, whatever it is. They have all this like complicated language to justify their insanity. But it could be one of the other.

It could either be a conservative politician who genuinely believes, like, we need to do this to win votes. And it's strategy bro. I call that a strategy bro talking point. Or they are, they know the game. They know the agenda. They know who they work for. And they're like, I need to tell this conservative voter that, even though I know it's just

because I'm covering for the United Nations, you know, bullshit agenda that I'm basically pushing. But I'm going to use that excuse. And, yeah, I mean, it's, shit, I lost it there. What was I going with that? The, it's, it's, it's very gross that they do this. And oh, we talked earlier about the people who say, that's hate speech. That's hate speech to say that, you know, you're a Nazi. These are the people that they're pandering to.

These are the people whose vote they're trying to get. These people call you a Nazi and will never vote for you. So why are you trying to pander to them? And it makes absolutely no sense. And it really is a lie because I think the majority of people do think that there's only two sexes male and female. And I think if you just came out as a big boy conservative as a, dare I say, man with testicles in a backbone and said, hey, guys, everybody simmered down. There's only two sexes. We got to stop all this weird gender stuff in schools. You would get a lot of support from all sorts of normal, apolitical

people. You know, they're over-complicating it. And they're telling us this lie that, no, Ottawa is, it's very complicated. You know, we have to calibrate for different. No, it's bullshit. If this, if this conservative party, Pierre Pollyev, would just have more courage to say normal things that everyone believes he would win the support. And I'm really, like I said, I'm really cynical. I'm really deep into it. And it's like, I think that I'll use a comparison to the media. The media is not telling you truth and information. Their main goal is to convince you that they're keeping you informed while pushing propaganda, right? Like so much of what they do if you watch a newscast is to convince you that we are very professional. We are really doing our best to inform you,

but really we're just pushing propaganda. But it's very very, important for them to keep that facade. And I think the conservative party is the exact same way. We are doing everything we can to stop Trudeau and prevent this from happening. But really, we're actually kind of helping them push their agenda by being weak little bitches on every single issue. That's kind of my, that's what I think it is. We think that, oh, no, they're trying to calibrate for a strategy bro to win more votes. No, no, no. They're trying to convince you that they're fighting for us to keep you on the couch so you won't call them out on their abject weakness. and just total moral cowardice on every single important issue to a real conservative.

They won't even oppose mass migration. And they say that they're trying to help the housing crisis. Like these people are so obnoxiously, like not fighting for you. It's just, it's totally insulting for anyone who cares to pay attention. But no one's paying attention. No one cares. No one's ever cared to quote Jeremy McKenzie. I can't, I sit here and I can't.

If this has been 10 years ago and Jeremy McKenzie, he'd have been saying that he would have been talking specifically about me here i sit and i'm like hey you just said i'm like yeah okay fair okay so then i i i take a second i go okay so what is a guy do because i look at it and i go you can't maybe i'm wrong on this let's let's play this out and let's see what gregg says this is the way i look at it i go can't vote p p p pc i i don't even know if i agree with everything they stand for and everything else in fairness now i'm going to say in fairness I go, I actually don't know all the things that Maxine Bernier has done. But he, at times, has done wonderful things.

Like, I mean, then I'm just like, man, that's awesome. And he stands up for and jumps in things, but he knows, he's a politician too. And he knows that's his bread and butter. He gets in front of everything. You know, one of the, one of the toughest things I had about the Freedom Convoy, first day that was there was really cool. And I think it was on day two or three. where the politicians started showing up

and taking their photo ops and kind of like, you know, oh, I'm here, I'm here at the thing and I'm like, what did it? Like, do you know what we're here for? Do you understand? Like, that's a, it gave me an icky feeling, you know? And yet, we have an icky feeling

because Pierre Pollyev wasn't one of them right away. You know, he wasn't the guy out going, this is great, and we're at the head of the march. You know, I'll give Jagmeet Singh some credit here. You know, he's the guy at the front of the anti-protest march, even though I disagree with everything that man stands for. He is the guy who... He was out there.

He was doing his job. He was doing his job. You can hate him for it, but he's out there and he's visible. Like, where was Pierre at the head of the other side going, no, this is what we are. And that's what you're calling him out for. And so, like, you can hate one politicians because they're so ingrained in what the other side is. But at least they're showing up. Our society won't even allow the other policy.

If they do, they just get absolutely slandering. in the media. So, I come back. I don't think I could vote PPC. I think I have to vote conservative because I don't know of another way. And then I look at it and I go, okay, so then Pierre gets in. Let's just play this out for a few minutes. And you go, okay, if he doesn't immediately disband the CBC, if he doesn't immediately disband some of these bills, if he doesn't get back to common sense, as so many of us are, then we know for sure it's a facade and now we have to change course. I would say that as well. where my brain sits.

Sure. And now you have to tell me that I'm a moron and there's another way. And I go, okay, what's the other way? Yeah. So it's really simple, actually. You know, when is the next election? 2025. 2025.

It's a pretty long time for it. Like two years away. Yes. Right. So if the election was next week, then what you're saying right now is valid. It's like, okay, like maybe you feel like voting for the conservative. Party candidates, maybe you know him, maybe he's, you know, maybe it's a close riding between the conservatives and the liberals and it would make sense to vote with that conservative.

You know, that's a conversation to be had when there's an election. But right now there isn't an election. And I make the argument if you're upset at all with this conservative party, if you don't think they're being strong enough, if you don't think they're being conservative enough, if you have any sort of sentiment of that at all, you should support the PPC. Even if you think you're going to vote conservative at the end of the day, you should still support the PPC and I'll tell you why. There's this concept in politics called the Overton window and it is very important to understand. And if you picture my nose is like the

football and the Overton window, okay? And you move a politician moves the Overton window. Is this, this is to the left, right for you? The left. Yes, correct. Right. Yeah. So the Overton window moves when politicians speak. So for example, Jagmeet Singh, Justin Trudeau, they say things like, you know, trans women are women. And then it moves to the left. And they say things like, you know, safe and effective, like just get vaccinated. And it moves and it moves this way to the left. And what has moved the Overton window to the right in Canada? It's a very short list. It's Maxine Bernier. Maxine Bernier said, hey, no more mass migration. That starts to move it to the right. Maxine Bernier said way before the, the conservative

party said shut down the CBC or defund the CBC moves it to the right. You know, no more lockdowns, moves it to the right all of these things move it to the right notice how pierre polyev the conservative party have nothing to do with moving it to the right what has moved it to the right the trucker convoy oh my god the trucker convoy moved everything so far that isn't ppc but the point is but i get outside of the conservative party and and and fairness you you you were pointing to so in saskatchewan right now what happened yeah i don't know if you know this story right They came out and said, within,

it's like within a week, they came out with a bill saying, no more third parties in school, and you have to have parental consent to change your pronouns and things like that under 16. Did you see all that? I did hear about it. I did hear about it.

This was somewhat of a win, I suppose. Well, and where did that win come from? I'm being a little facetious here, a bit of a jackass, because I know you don't know that. But the reason I'm in is because you're actually, you're bang on with this. And I actually understand what you mean.

Because in Saskatchewan, what has happened in the last year is a new party is formed called Sask United. And they had a provincial... A provincial... What do they call that? It's not a by-election, but when a guy steps down or retires or dies and then they have an open spot, they have to have a runoff to see who's going to win that spot, correct?

I think that's a by-election. Is that a by-election? I think that's by-election. Anyways, so they have a by-election. Sask United runs in it. And the conservatives, you know, like, it was a conservative stronghold. I think the election before that was 70-some percent. And the next closest was the NDP and they had, you know, let's just call it 18%.

You get the point. Conservative, conservative stronghold. So, Saskia United runs. And they lose. And conservatives go in the papers and say it was a big win. But they drop from about 73% to 50%. And the other 23% they lost went to the Saskc United. And what was the Saskc United saying?

There's men, there's women. These gender pronouns don't have any place in our schools. You know, like people were injured by the COVID vaccine. Like, you just like, they just started talking like normal human beings. And what happens immediately after that is exactly what you're talking about. We're shifting. We're shifting. And one of the best things the Sask United has done has forced the SASC party to be conservatives.

So what you're saying is, this is a very. interesting thought because that is not what I thought Craig was going to come on here and say is he goes by supporting PBC you don't have to vote PPC you can literally vote conservative but you're going to force the easiest way to force conservatives be conservatives is to show that your support is going

somewhere else. Politicians respond to pain okay and that pain comes in the form of them being disavowed then being called out or their support your support and money going to a different party And, you know, just to add to this thing, yes, another political party is a great way to make a politician move because you just gave a perfect example, but also supporting things like Billboard, Chris and emailing your MP. Why aren't you supporting Billboard, Chris? Why aren't you talking about it? This, again, this is, this is the pain that politicians will actually respond to. So that's why I say, if you are, even if you're like a CPC supporter, you should, you should still want the PPC. No, no, no, no, this makes, you don't even have to explain it.

To me, it makes perfect sense. Because you're doing, Andrew Lawton had been on here about, I don't know, three weeks ago maybe, something like that. And he said, politician, you've got to create the conditions where a bad politician will do the right thing. So that's what us, the voting base has the opportunity to do. We have two years, as you eloquently pointed out, like, when's the next election? It isn't tomorrow. It's a long time. And in a long time, we can pull the window back.

further so that old p p quote jeremy has to you know has to start to side with some things that we want i actually you know that's a brilliant thought i hadn't really thought about it you know like i i you know there's so many people that just are like no we can fix this from the conservative party you can the problem is the conservative party right now thinks all of us think liberal they think we we want the gender stuff that we want more locked that we want more locked they're not they're we want that we want that we want and one of the things you're right with Maxime and the PPC is they're pulling the window in their own way I think independent media is doing a lovely job of it I think there's a ton of people that

are doing it I think a show of force which is the Canadian or the trekker convoy which was the million March for children you know like those things help force politicians realize well there's a growing number of people that don't want gender things in the school gee what a while thought. Yes. Yes. And the case and point is if you rewind back to before the convoy, it was really, really scary if you were unvaccinated in Canada before the convoy. Yeah, it was why the rhetoric was pumping up. There was the Toronto Starfront page that said, you know, I don't even care if these unvaccinated people die. You had Justin Trudeau basically

dehumanizing us on national television. It was really bad. Who fought for us? Who saved the day. Who helped us? Who turned, who turned the tides? It was not a politician. It was not a conservative politician. It was a bunch of blue-collar workers who came up, came out of nowhere and saved us. And of course, that was a miraculous thing. People shouldn't expect another thing like the convoy to happen. But the case and point is just that, you know, by supporting establishment politicians from these big parties, like just to kind of flip it, because we're talking about how supporting outside of that kind of forces them to move. What's the the flip side of that. If you just support Pierre and say, okay, and sit on your hands and sit on

the couch and eat potato chips, you're just supporting the status quo. And if you look at the status quo of what Pierre Polyev is, he's slowly, he's slowly shifting to the left. Whenever he can, he's trying to budge to the left. Like, why is this guy talking about being carbon neutral by 2050? He's like, oh, I'm more conservative because it's going to be 2050 carbon neutral instead of 2030. You know, why is this guy supporting mass migration? Like, you know, this guy is shifting to the left. sitting and saying, well, we got to get Trudeau out and just kind of shutting your mouth and not applying any pressure to this conservative party, you're supporting the status quo. It's not, it's not pushing things in, in the right direction. And the thing is also, we, we, we all know.

We're all on the same page. We don't like Trudeau. Nobody likes Trudeau. We get it. But this idea that we have to listen to everything Pierre Pollyev says in order to like save the country is, is just silly. It's just bogus. And, um, We need to demand higher standards, you know. I like to compare it to the far left, okay? Because the far left, because you were giving compliments to Jagmeet Singh. And I think people on the right don't do that enough. And I mean that complimenting, not necessarily complimenting,

but looking at what our enemies are doing and saying, we need to do that. We need to start doing that. Justin Trudeau didn't say, hey, guys, I think there's going to be vaccine mandates. Okay. I know it's not really fair. He said, you can't get on a plane or a train. Like, you know, he was uncompromising, strong. with his words, very, very aggressive.

And it's the same thing with the far left activists, you know? They say, they won't just say, hey, guys, I really think that this gender indoctrination for kids is a good thing. They say, if you don't get like kids have this gender indoctrination, they're going to kill themselves. Like they take this extreme stance. And again, that it pushes the Overton window further that way. But the point is, the point is they are uncompromising.

And they say, that's not good enough. That's not good enough. That's not good enough. They keep saying, that's not good enough. And what it does is it keeps shit. shifting the window that way we need to do the same thing well that's what billboard chris is doing yeah and but like just keep saying to pier pauliev even if even if you want to get trudeau all that stuff you help the country you help us all just by continually like biting at uh biting

at his heels criticizing him giving him shit that's not good enough pier that's not good enough pier that's not good enough local uh conservative uh mp it's not good enough and keep pushing and pushing and kind of being demanding higher standards and and continually You know, it's really about self-respect at the end of the day. It's like, let's stop putting up with these dishonest wishy-washy weasels, okay? And let's continually speak up and voice our concerns about what's going on and stop accepting cowardice. And this really connects to what is lacking in Canada. And I don't know if you, if it's okay, like a topic that's come come up a couple times.

I want to ask you about this. Sure. Which is because you were saying, I used to be completely apolitical, Greg. I didn't care about any of this. And I'm the same way. And I think that a lot of Canadians are still there. And I feel that we can talk about beating the left and trying to overcome all these challenges. But it almost seems as though apathy is kind of like the biggest obstacle.

One of the biggest obstacles in this country of just people who are not politically engaged. And I'm curious to hear kind of your experience talking to different people on your podcast. I'll start off just saying, I think that I'm hoping that part of what defines Canada right now is we are a relatively young nation and we haven't really been tested that hard with having more tyrannical governments and that sort of thing. And I'm hoping within the next five to 10 years we're going to kind of find our nut sack and there's going to be a new kind of class of people who are politically engaged and maybe have not more necessarily a more Americana style, but more of a insistence. and sort of like insistence on sort of, I don't know, like, insistence on the founding principles of our nation, I suppose. Like having that sort of self-respect and pride in our nation, which I really feel is lacking. People just want to go to the cottage and, whatever, like, I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

But what is your experience with that, with this sort of apathy and trying to solve that Rubik's cube here in Canada? Well, I think apathy has probably been around since the dawn of time. So I don't think it's new to the world. And when it comes to that, we always look at the states and say everybody's engaged, but everybody isn't engaged in the states. There's certainly, they've picked a team, certainly. But here in Canada, I would say lots of people picked a team as well.

But when it comes from this lack of interest, I actually go, maybe we come back to what Pierre and them have done wrong, is if you pick the right arguments and you're uncompromising in it, majority of people already agree with you. Take a look at one million March for children. This wasn't around you can't be a cat. This was around we don't want that being taught to children.

One, so take out the SOG curriculum. And two, if you wanna be a cat, as a parent, I wanna know that my child wants to be a cat. I don't think that's too much to ask. I just want to kind of be in the conversation. And when I talk to people that are apathetic to politics or to all these things, when you just bring up a clear argument, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And they want to walk on from it. And so I go, that's what's brilliant about

peer polia. That's what's brilliant about Billboard, Chris, sorry, is like he's picked an argument where you may not like his tactics, But when you listen to what he's talking about, you're like, yeah, that makes, that makes sense. It's hard to disagree. But out here in the West, so many people are entrepreneurs, own businesses, are trying to, they don't, they're just like, can I please have somebody just take care of it? Like, I literally have 40 guys working for me. I'm almost broke. I'm stressed to the nines.

I got to figure out how to do it from A to B and solve all these problems and deal with minus 40 in the winter. and now you're going to give all these days off, and now we've got to deal with stress leave because you know, and they're depressed and all the, and I'm not saying there isn't depression out there, folks. Like the last three years have taught us a lot about what a government can do to people. But, you know, they're business owners. They're what we want out here.

And so I guess what I take, go back to what you said earlier about, you know, when I praised Jag Mead Singh, which is funny, I never thought I'd have that on the podcast. But like, I just looking at what they've, do right one of the things they do right is they have realized there's this huge chunk of all population that is apathetic to politics give a fuck and they've used that to their advantage I think we just have to realize the same thing and use it to our advantage and realize our arguments actually make sense if we get

down to the bottom of it why don't you like mass migration it's like well something we don't like immigration I mean all of us come from descendants who immigrated. It's that if you look out the infrastructure they're building, the pace they're going, we're going to have 10 cities everywhere. And on top of that, the cost of living is going to go from here to like, fuck, breakneck speed. And if you just explain it in terms and frame it, I come back to what you said early on, Greg. I'm like, huh, I didn't know what this sit down was going a bold for, you know, fruit or gold. But like, you frame it the right way.

The right has the most compelling arguments. Because it's not like we're saying these crazy extreme things. We're saying common sense things right now. It's almost, you know, what do they always say? A small L liberal and a small C conservative. That's kind of what we want the conservative party to be. We want to care for people. We just can't care for every person under the planet.

there's 8 billion of them. And we don't have the infrastructure in Canada to deal with that. Is that such an extreme position to take? No. And you just need somebody to talk to it. Instead, they do this other thing. So when you talk about apathy in the middle of politics, I look at it like, let's take the 10% that it's engaged,

let's create some ideas that the middle of the people that are worrying about their kids hockey practice or local things or they got a business to run or whatever they're at in life, they can just go, yeah, that makes sense. Here's my vote. And they just walk on. To me, that's what I think. Yeah, yeah.

And I'll give you two more gold nuggets for you there. Because this is something that I've ever since the election in 2019, I've been learning more about politics. And it's something that is very important to understand. You basically just said it right there, which is the person who's too busy, they're living their life, it's true. I don't think everyone should have time or we even want to follow politics. It's like waiting through toxic sludge. You know, it's awful to have to sift through all these corrupt politicians, all these weird policies. It's like kind of intentionally dry. It's intentionally boring. It's intentionally painful to look at. But the point is, if you want to

understand how politics works, there's the 80-20% rule. Yes. The 80-20 rule, which is- That isn't just politics. That 80-20 rule you can extrapolate out to pretty much all life. I don't know if it's necessarily the one about 80% of results comes from 20%. But this one is 80% of people are of medium to low intelligence. And that's just how it works. So a politician is never going to have this is why libertarians never win, actually. This is a good way to explain it.

Because libertarians kind of go and sift into the details a lot of the time. they have a lot of nuance in their in their positions and blah blah blah and this is not really for the masses it doesn't really translate into something that people can hold on to it doesn't have like the bumper sticker like make america great again you need to appeal to that 80 percent and i think that's kind of like what you were alluding to is like if you say something simple then people can latch on to that and people can be like yeah i want to be a concern that's normal go back to go back to inception me and me and tom loonga were just having this discussion about all these different movies.

And one of the things about Inception that I loved, and it's right in the Bible, right? Like the mustard seed. Well, in Inception, it's the little spinning top. He puts it in his wife's safe, right? She opens it in the dream, and then she commits suicide, right? That's part of the movie, because this little idea just plagued her for life. But it's brilliant in that a little idea can move a mountain.

A little idea can move the masses. So figure out what the little idea is that is almost bulletproof. Yeah. Put that in there and you can have majority of people. It's not that easy, but it's not that hard. Yeah. Yeah. There is men.

There is women. Is it controversial? Sure. You're in politics. It's going to be controversial. You steer everybody to anybody to anybody can be whatever they want. And we're going to have men have babies. It's like, why would we ever want that?

Why would you ever want to say that? You're a conservative. Even if you're liberal, you don't want that. Yeah. And these conservatives are worried about getting called names for saying there's a man and a woman. It's like, okay, so what? Put up with it. That's part of the deal.

You're going to get, you're going to get smeared by the media. Like, are you going to fight for us or not? Like, that's why you're in this position to get called names for telling the truth and fighting for us. And time and time again in this country, other people are taking the slings and arrows instead of this conservative party. And that's the problem. You know, like we need people actually leading the charge.

But kind of speaking to like the seed thing and something you were saying earlier, which is, you know, coming to the mass migration conversation and saying that, hey, you know, what about the housing crisis, blah, blah, blah. I really do feel that a lot of people are stuck in what I like to call the liberal moral frame. And we need to start from scratch. Okay. We need to get rid of this liberal moral frame. The liberal moral frame is pretty simple.

it's, am I racist or not? Am I homophobic or not? Am I offending somebody or not? Am I going to get canceled or not? It's this really emotionally driven based on guilt by association. Like it's basically designed to make it hard for any proud Canadian nationalist white. It kind of has an anti-white kind of flavor to it. Like this whole liberal moral frame is just, it's like being on a slave plantation, guys.

You know, like if you can't break out of this mental framework, this liberal moral framework. And it's hard because it has been ingrained in us over the years. But if we can't break out of that, then we're not even going to win. And this is another reason why, or this is another reason why I just can't support this conservative party because they're totally stuck in this moral frame. And the answer is to create our own moral frame. And, you know, something that the liberals are great at is they create a frame that always makes the conservative look like an asshole.

And mass migration, it's like, you don't want these black and brown people. like coming into our country and having a freer life, like you're a racist, obviously. And our frame isn't, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not racist and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and like the housing crisis and money. And then, no, that's weak because we're actually operating from their frame. Our frame needs to be our veterans are killing ourselves. We have homeless everywhere. There's drug addiction.

How dare you put foreigners over the people who are already live here sick and dying? How dare you do that, right? It needs to be something radical like that, that that creates our own, of like a moral consequence for not being on our side, right? One of the things you're pointing out is we on this side, and right now I would say that's 80% of the population. I don't care what the polls say. I think they've gone so far to that side

that there's just a huge chunk of population. What are we doing anymore anymore, right? But one of the things we do poorly is we go, these guys are dumb. They're extremely, extremely well organized. and smart. I mean, in their weird way. Don't get me wrong.

Like, I don't agree with all their thought process. But look at what they've done. They understand the game. It kind of comes back, like, the further I go into politics or just looking at some of the things going on in politics. Yeah, just we'll stick with politics. I go, at times I feel like I'm playing checkers and they are playing chess. They're just playing a different game. And I'm trying to catch up as a minion, as a, as a, as a, uh,

you know, a blue collar farm kid, you know, that they, you know, played some hockey and then fell my way into this. And, you know, and you sit there and you go, they're extremely smart. They understand that if they lose today, they can win in another year or another year or five years or 10 years. And they're not worried. It is this big game of solitaire. And we got to stop acting like they're a bunch of morons on that side.

They're not. They're actually making things like they've taken their sweet freaking time and getting to the point where it feels like this house of cards was built in a day. It wasn't. It's been built over a long period of time. And I mean, you're pointing, I think you're pointing that out very well. Yeah. They call it a blood sport. That politics is a blood sport. And I think you're right. I think it's a healthy exercise for people who want to turn things around in this country or want to be effective. You need to kind of respect that they are crushing it. They are crushing it in terms of, you know, they're vilifying us they're they're they're they're vilifying that what we think about that they're

really representing uh their side and moralizing people and and and and really um using their they're they're plucking on the heartstrings and it works and we have to do the same thing like this whole argument of like hey uh the price of milk you know like hey we're going to save money on taxes that doesn't it doesn't work the same punch no not at all i mean i mean at some point when a gallon of milk is 40 bucks or something. Certainly, speaking to the purses of voters will work. And it's probably already starting to work because we're seeing the cost of living in this country

go through the roof. But you're right. Like, I even think about the $1 million march for children, right? What's even about? What do you guys march? Like, you know, and we had to, I don't know how many times you had to defend it. Well, this isn't anti-anything.

And they already got ahead of that and was like, this is anti-LGB. B, B, T-Q, 2-S-L-plus, I-A-P, whatever other letter they're tossing on these days. And I kind of, like, at one point I'm like, ah, I got to respect it. And now I'm like, I don't think I need to respect the alphabet soup. I'm not sitting here trying to say they can't be whatever they want. But them trying to tell me that that is actually factual is a load of BS at this point. And if we can't just call it for what it is, then we are sliding more into their game.

Right. But you look at the mass of population grade. and they'd be like, wow, you're being a little bit rough, aren't you? It's like, well, I don't know.

Am I? And we have to continue to find those little nuggets where it's like, no, what do you think of this? This is what it's about. This is what it's for. Become an expert in,

as Billboard Chris would say, or we're pointing out, one little thing. It says like, nope, you can't steer away. I'm going to pin you against the, I joked verbally,

Roger Hogginson, pin me against the, wall with COVID and just wouldn't let me escape. Well, let's maybe talk about no, no, we're going to talk about this. And Bill where Chris does that over and over and over again and some of the most hostile environments, I might add. And if we all got to the level where we're not being violent, we're just being unapologetic for our thoughts and become articulate in our thinking, you could probably

win over a ton of people that way. Yeah, yeah. So lots to say about that. I went to a couple protests during the One Million March for Kids. I'm in Toronto. So I went down and interviewed a bunch of people. I did live streams on my YouTube channel. And I noticed a very consistent pattern, which is very, very relevant to the conversation.

When I talked to a white old stock Canadian who was at the protest, they would always start on the back foot and say, well, I, you know, I'm not homophobic. I have gay friends. and I said, but I disagree with this thing that's happening with children. When I talk to Muslims, Muslim dads or Muslim families, they were starting on the front foot. I disagree with this and I wanted to stop. I think it's disgusting. I don't like it. I want it out of the school.

It must stop right now. That's the energy that actually really, like I said earlier, shifts, shifts the ball down the field. And if you look at what the left. does, like I said earlier, like they're uncompromising. They push it. They're insane, guys. They're insane. They're pushing hundreds of different genders. They're pushing this idea that kids should go to drag shows or go to like drag kid camps when they're under the age of 10. This is disgusting. We should be using words like pedophile, I think. And this is kind of the escalation I'm seeing in this sort of conversation. You were kind of alluding to it. And there's also some

Muslim dads who are saying this. I actually don't like the LGBTQ plus lifestyle in general. Okay, I think it has too much of a say in our society in general. And you might say, oh, you can't say that, Greg. That's going to be homophobic. But guess what? This is like what I was saying, creating a new framework where it's saying, hey, why are we even telling kids about this lifestyle at all?

And people, that might be, might, that'll make people uncomfortable. And they'll strategy bro you. And they'll say, no, no, no, no. we're going to get called names again we need to reject it get get off the plantation guys being called homophobic like what's more important saving a child from potentially being sterilized for life and being predetermined to have a lifestyle of like sexual degeneracy or uh you know being called names which is worse can can you get called being called homophobic for a little bit like it's really like nothing really happens okay people who hate you call you homophobic and and and and that's about it you know i i think it's

something worth fighting for. And again, like I also say, because it makes people uncomfortable, well, when are, when can we start to criticize the LGBTQ plus 2SA plus when they start systemically sterilizing kids in school? Is it, are we, we can't criticize them yet? When can we criticize them? How about when they're about to castrate me? Can I start criticizing the LGBTQ plus then? Is that, or is that too? Oh, no, don't be homophobic. You know, give them your, your cock and balls, Greg, you know, like become a eunuch. Don't criticize the gay people. It's like, I'm sorry. It's, uh, and let me tell you, like I won't go into detail, but I have when I worked in radio, one of the stations I worked for was a gay radio station. I sold advertising to a bathhouse.

There are some very ugly, despicable things that happen in the gay community, folks. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. And when I see that rainbow flag, it really acts as a pseudo religion, which is, I must not criticize anything that a gay person says or does. And it's like, really, they're having unprotected sex with strangers and smoking meth. Like, is that really part of the lifestyle that that should be fully embraced along with all the drag queens and everything else? That's a whole other deep rabbit hold to go down. But it's like, I welcome this sort of escalation of rhetoric of, yes, openly criticizing the

LGBTQ plus as a whole, because let's face it, you know, I mean, how are. irrational is it to have a group of people that just can't be criticized they literally had grown men walking naked in Toronto's gay pride parade this year and probably every year for all I know and you go in what other realm can me and Greg walk around buck naked down the the street waving a flag and showing it off and that be accepted no exactly I have a quote on this which is um you know what's gay pride for it's for It's for social progress. If I am walking down Main Street butt naked on a collar and leash with like my five husbands and we're all naked and thousands of people are cheering us on, where exactly do we progress from here? What's the next progression?

What's the next sort of thing? Like I can just wipe my feet on a straight white man's face. Like is that the next progression? I don't understand what else do you want? You know, it's crazy. It reminds me of COVID. One of the, what you're talking about, I'd be like, okay. You know, when, when all, you go back to the dark days before the freedom

convoy, when Toronto store is coming out and saying, you know, and let them die and all these crazy things. Yeah. It's like, well, what point are we okay? Do we get to move on? When 99% are vaccine, when 100% or when we get our 15th booster? When, you know, like, what point do we get to move on from that? And if you can't answer that question, you got a problem. And right now with this community, because, you know, I'll be the first, like, I don't hate anyone.

I just, I just want to live my life. And I want my kids to be able to go to school and not have to worry about everything they do and say, A, being critiqued to the level that our world is doing it right now. But two, being taught fallacies that I just don't believe it. Like, I just, no. No, like that, why would we ever teach, you know, somebody told me, well, you know, Soji, the big thing with, uh, um, sender, uh, sexual orientation, gender ideology isn't in Saskatchewan yet. And where I sit is Saskatchewan curriculum. Really weird thing where I sit. I sit right on the border of Alberta, Saskatchewan, so we have certain things that are monitored by Saskatchewan.

We have other things in Alberta, and so we have Saskatchewan education. And in Saskatchewan, Soji hasn't come in yet. It's across all of BC, it's got pilot projects in Alberta and et cetera. But somebody had said to me, yeah, but Soji content's already in there. And I was like, I wonder how you prove that, you know, like whatever. And then I was sitting at my son's U-9 hockey evaluations. And a mom I know walked up, sat down beside me and said, I think you should see this. And I was like, sure.

And she opens her phone. And her daughter goes to kindergarten. here in Lloydminster. And it was, I think it was called the king and the prince. It reminded me of a Disney cartoon book like that you kind of get the feel.

And it was the marriage of a man to a man to a kindergarten. She goes, I don't, you know, like, I don't, you know, and like you say, starting on the back foot, I'm not anti,

and I'm like, yeah, I get it. You don't want your kindergarten or have to do this, like, can two men get married? And like, why would we ever introduce? that to a kindergarten girl or boy for that matter it's like wow because you know we have to show them that it's okay well I think we have to really start to have an open

discussion about that right that everybody thinks if you start to have the discussion I shouldn't say everybody thinks I think the way they frame it is if we have the open discussion on this we're going back to the dark ages where all of a sudden we become this country that chases all the LGBTQ community out. There's no space for them and they're just harassed and that's what we do. But we're going to this world where the opposite and the same is all happening all at once, where we're not allowed to talk about it anymore. And we have to act like things that aren't real are actually real. Yeah. I mean, isn't it funny that their main counter argument is,

well, because you criticize this, that means you're going to start killing gay people. Like, because you criticize this, you're basically Hitler now. You know, it's, it's it's very, you know, absurd. Like their accusations are totally absurd and hyperbolic. And this is exactly why we need to break out of this, this, you know, liberal moral frame of, oh, no, I'm not, I'm not homophobic.

I'm not, I'm not Hitler, I swear. And I like to bring up, because this really pisses them off is, guys, being gay is a statistical minority, especially being trans is a very big statistical. minority. So why are we showing this to kids if it's not

sorry, it's not like the common thing. It's not the normal thing. Well, well, some people are and it's like, okay, well, some people are I don't know, blind amputees, pedophiles. You know, it's, it's crazy. Some people get off on raping people. I get, I want to almost throw up by saying

that I don't like, the whole thought process of that just drives me nuts. And, you know, I, once upon a time, well, I've had, He's been on a few times. Tanner has been on a few times. I mean him to talk about it. And I remember the first time he said this on his podcast.

You know, like, I think he was just hang all pedophiles high. You abuse a kid. I was kind of like, oh, can we say that on air? And here I sit like two years later, and I'm just like, you know, I get it. There's this gray zone of rape. But if you can, like, without a shadow of a doubt, show that it was premeditated or I don't know the stipulations, Greg. But you kind of get where I'm going. I mean, too many drinks at a party and, you know, where we've, you know, like, I don't, I don't know.

I'm not condoning anything. I'm just like, there's some horrendous people out on this planet right now that are doing horrendous things. And they're statistical minority. And I don't mean to group them with the LGBT. It's just at the same time, you're absolutely right. Why are we worrying about children finding this out in their adulthood? They're going to come across a lot of us. And we have to prepare them for that, not put things in their hands.

head at a young age that makes zero sense to even me a grown-ass adult. Yeah. Yeah, it's total, it's total insanity. It makes no sense at all. They're trying to normalize this term, LGBT youth and trans youth. What exactly is a bisexual child? What the, what the heck is that? And I came up with this, I tweeted this a few years ago, I think, and I feel like I should try to popularize it more because I think it's pretty simple. And I think people like would get on board with it. It's called the pedophile rule. Okay, the pedophile rule. If you are going to do something or promote something that a pedophile would like, then don't do that thing. If you're going to say something, do something or promote something that specifically a pedophile

would like, just don't, don't do it. Because if specifically a pedophile would like this thing, it's probably just not a good idea, bro. And when you look at all this education of projecting sexuality onto minors, inserting all of these sexual ideas into the, into the, and they always, they always try to give this bullshit excuse. Oh, no, this hasn't, this has nothing to do with sexuality. Really, how do you separate the gender from the sex and the sexual attraction from the same? You can't. It's a total, it's a total, it's a total smoke screen that they try to, oh, no, it's about how you, how you feel is, it's total bullshit. And people need to, you know, the right needs to bring out the big guns. They need to, you know,

use the P word. They need to use the pedophile word. And what Chris does is he takes the worst case scenario. And it's unfortunately not as rare as you would think of people being sterilized, of young kids, you know, making irreversible decisions. But along with that, one that's not brought up that much is by giving kids all of these ideas about sex and sexuality, what do you think they're going to do when they get access to the internet? You know, what do you think they might find? What do you think they might be more predisposed to find when they have access to to the internet. Who do you think is on the internet? There's pedophiles on the internet. They try to entrap children on the internet. That's something that happens. And oh, isn't it great that this

education kind of gives them the sort of verbiage and knowledge to kind of like make them more predisposed to being like a victim of childhood sexual assault potentially or make it more easy for like it gives a pedophile so much to work with. Oh, oh, what gender are you? Oh, that's so cool. Oh, are you a trans youth? Are you all that bisexual youth? Oh, that's so cool. ages, just a number. Like the segue for a pedophile is just simple. It's like total. And I hate to like get into the mind of a pedophile, but it's kind of hard not to when we're seeing all this stuff so aggressively pushed onto children. It's, and that kind of like, you know, I'm kind of getting pumped up here. That fiery passion, we need to embrace that. We need to, you know, I've kind of come to Jesus Christ in the past couple of years. And that's a powerful thing that I don't think people should be afraid of. Because, um, It's our own version of saying, hey, that's hate speech. It's saying, hey, well, I believe in Jesus Christ and I have a broadsword and I'm going to, I'm righteously angry at what you're doing to children.

I'm going to protect children. I'm not having a debate, actually. I'm nonviolent, but it's like, I'm not here for a debate. You need to stop what you're doing right now. And we need more of that energy. You know, it's funny. I think one of the best things that came from the last three years is I think more people are turning back to, well, I just, you just brought it up, so I'll hop in on it here for a couple seconds.

Or turning back to the Bible. Yeah, like, it's just, it's a mass migration of people going, what is going on? And trying to find some things out. And then they start reading that book, or at least I did. And you go, how did I miss this for so long? You know? And it really, I don't know, puts me at ease. Like, don't get me wrong.

I know I'm getting some things wrong, but I know who I am. I'm not sitting here saying these things because I want to hurt children or because I want to segregate a population or on and on and on it's gone. It's literally because we are going upside down and the further we go, the worse this gets and we're seeing it play out. And you go right back to the start of our conversation with the censorship. You know, it's like, where do you think that takes us? Good or bad?

Not good. It takes us worse places. So at some point, either we go into full dictatorship or a communist rule and heck at times, I think we're partially there anyways. I just feel like, you know, we're already there. We're seeing the signs more and more. And you go, can you stop this? I think you can, but that takes the majority of the population or a good healthy chunk of it. Sorry, not the majority.

Just a good chunk of it getting active and starting to really put some energy into this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I think that getting involved in politics, like some people have this misconception that they have to, you know, solve all the world's problems or, you know, I need to start a podcast or I need to do this. I need to do that. Start with what you know, start with what you're passionate about because sometimes there can be a very beautiful sort of, you know, you can do something that's sort of adjacent to politics. And even Billboard, Chris kind of kind of falls into that category. He's not running. He's not concerned about, he's only concerned about very specific policies on one, very specific issue. So maybe if you're into farming, maybe if you're into construction, maybe if you're a real estate agent, there might be some very specific policy that affects you as a real estate agent. And maybe you can just kind of focus on that one thing. It doesn't make you overtly political.

Sure, like you're in the realm of politics. But I always kind of encourage people to look at their immediate environment and their immediate passions to see if there might be something that's already kind of sitting there right in front of you, that kind of lends itself to what you're already doing as opposed to trying to recreate yourself It's a podcast or this or that or kind of like doing something that you're not or that's completely out of your comfort zone because you should go out of your comfort zone. But something that is like you're forcing yourself to do something that you wouldn't naturally do anyway. But if you don't mind, I would like to go back to the Jesus Christ thing real quick. One one thought before you switch to Jesus is I had it said to me and this is really stuck in my brain is that we're building a puzzle if you would and we're all a piece of it.

and if you're the missing piece, when this beautiful ship is made at the end, we all stare at the missing piece. So be your peace. That doesn't mean we're all the podcaster. I certainly don't want to be a politician. I don't have time. I actually don't have a time to go fix Craig's problems over in Toronto

and somebody else is in Vancouver. I'm having enough issues with making sure I get a show out and then be a part of my family's life and everything else that we all have. And so you're you're a hundred percent right in that we all have a part to play. That certainly could be a podcast. That certainly can be a lot of those things. It can also be a guy like Billboard Chris who stares at one issue and is like,

I'm going to be unrelenting on this. And what the funny thing is is when you do things like that, then you get into my radar. And I go, who is this guy that is talking and walk? And then we have them on. And, you know, and certainly Greg's. doing his little piece. It doesn't mean that we're aligned on everything. It just means that you're doing something that is starting to pop up onto different people's radars. And if you can play your part, you can become part of the puzzle, so to speak, and not be the missing piece. Because we need

all the pieces. Because, you know, six pieces don't make a puzzle. I mean, unless it's one of those kid ones, then I guess, you know, certainly we could make one of those, you know. But sorry, Jesus, yeah, fire away. Yeah. And just add to your point there. Yeah, it's, it could be something even simpler than that. Maybe you love to cook. Maybe you love to do the thing where you preserve things in like mason jars. Maybe you start a little club doing that. That's definitely not something that's considered political, but at the same time, it's

community building. It's certainly adjacent to politics when it comes to like prepping or kind of like we're being worried about supply chain issues or kind of like where people are sourcing their food and that sort of thing. So there really can be like hobbies that I think can be adjacent to politics. And really that's the thing. People are like, oh, like, how are we going to change things? How are we going to do things?

It's back to what you were saying earlier. Really starting with yourself because a lot of people say, hey, what can I do to help? People message me. Hey, what can I do to help? And sometimes I'm like, hey, maybe you should go for a walk. Maybe you should like read more. You know what I mean? Maybe you should exercise more if you're not doing that.

Like, because usually I think if people are kind of, you know, in that sort of stressful place, I always encourage, you know, start working on yourself first and kind of see what comes of that because, you know, you know, you know, you're, you know, you're the whole the whole Jordan Peterson adage of you got to clean your room first before you're going to be helpful at anybody else but I was going to say back to the back to the Jesus Christ thing is you know I was a total atheist bro I was a total redditor I was a total science lover before I kind of embrace spirituality and then eventually Jesus Christ but like the kind of pitch I have for people is you know you don't have to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior that he was resurrected

blah blah if you what I actually like about it even more these days is it offers such a reliable framework or lens to look at our world in terms of how good and evil operates. And I think it's like better than any other sort of belief system or sort of like moral system. Like just a real tidbit that kind of got me hooked essentially. I had like Lucifer or the devil explained to me. And it's like Lucifer is actually not this like horned devil guy who's like, oh, like you're the red tail. He actually comes to you as an angel of light. And he's actually like very persuasive and charming and he will like you know be your friend and I'm like oh so like Justin Trudeau you know like but that kind of blew my mind like I didn't know that evil operated that

way I didn't know that it came to you as like something that's very charming and seductive that was never really really explained to me but when I started to kind of like dig in deeper to these concepts of good and evil and the different you know seven deadly sins and how they operate I just see it everywhere now and I just find it's like the most reliable lens when I look at things especially in politics, like you just see so much evil, so much deception. And it just tracks really well into different, you know, biblical stories and moral lessons. And I just, I just think it's super handy. It helps me kind of, you know, focus more and kind of not spend, spend too much mental energy on things. And, you know, in a way, it is kind of like less intellectual. And it helps me

kind of like save my brain power. It's like, okay, what is, what bucket is this? Okay, this is the evil pedophile bucket. Okay, this is the good, righteous bucket moving on. You know, I don't have to sift through the nuance. It just kind of helps me push forward. Well, in a world, in a world, you know, I was just having this conversation. In a world that's like, I'm having issues. So I'm going to go to, certainly we could say a doctor, a counselor, on and on and on that way. Or you could say, like, I'm going to go do some drugs. I'm going to have a guided experience with drugs. Or I'm going to do some form of meditation or yoga or whatever, and all these different ways of trying to connect to who you are and maybe

what God is or who he is. I keep telling people, you know, I don't know it all. But I picked up the Bible, flipped the New Testament because the Old Testament was rough, and it took me a little bit of time, and I'm a little bullheaded, and started reading the New Testament and went, there was something here. And you had a touch of praying. there not much just enough just once a day and I just watch this old cowboy talking about it he's like yeah it's weird I get it it's weird but it works so like get over it

like you know you know you know in my brain you're gonna go see a shaman you're gonna go see somebody and you're gonna do all these drugs that's weird like it is it's weird will it work sure I I I I have no problem with you that's what you want to do that's fine but don't let's not let's not discount with the Bible and doing a little bit of praying can do to your life. It is immediate. You will think that it's coincidence. It's kind of weird out.

There's nothing there. Your brain's going to try and rationalize it out. It's not. It's like it's so simple. And yet most of us overlook it because it's been compromised. And now what I mean, not the Bible. I mean, in politics and in our churches and our schools, everybody's moved away from it. It's kind of been like, ah, we'll move past that.

We're so progressive. And then you read it, like Greg's pointing out, and you're like, man, like, people, like, you watch popular television now. When people are like, if we just get back to the way the Bible is, then they go and watch, like, the handsmaid tale and go, well, that's what they're talking about. It's like, that's what they're talking about. It's like just some simple values, you know, like be a good human being, you know. Maybe there are two sexes. There is a man and a woman. That's kind of how we've, the fundamental, you know, building blocks of humanity has kind of been from that, you know.

It's pretty simple. It doesn't have to be hate speech. It's literally written in there. And so I'm just, I guess, mirroring or encouraging exactly what you're saying with. Like, I encourage people right now. You know, if you're sitting in a spot, you're depressed, you're dealing with something,

and your first thing is to pick up whatever it is because you think, well, it works, because it probably does. The Bible works, too. And you should just try. You might be amazed at what happens. Are you saying that guy? God created men and women. Wow. But yeah, no. And a quote that I love from the Bible is they hate you, but the world hated me first. You know, like Jesus, like the story of Jesus Christ,

he's kind of like the original freedom fighter. I got this quote from like Archer Pavlowski, but he's like a pastor who you maybe chatted with at West there who's, you know, fed the homeless in Calgary for decades, an amazing guy. But a very, very passionate guy. in Christ. And I asked him about that. And he's like, yeah, Jesus Christ is the original freedom fighter. The world hated him. And speaking to like the speaking to this, because you're totally right, the characterization of the Bible and Christianity has been totally just tattered and smeared. And it's it's literally been reduced to, oh, Christians. Oh, you mean the people that like stone gay people? And it's like, when's the last time like that's that you've genuinely seen that?

You know what I mean? Like it's it's they take one tiny little part and they and they summarize the entire book. And it's like all these cathedrals, all these hundreds of years of history, all of these streets, churches, you know, this kind of has come to define modern civilization. And you're just going to reduce it down to throwing stones at gay people. Like it's really silly. But I do want to say because we're talking about, oh, hey, you're racist or hey, like, that's hate speech. This ideology or I shouldn't say ideology, but like, you know, like Jesus Christ in the Bible is the number one thing, most smeared and slandered thing in human history. It is, it has taken the most names. It's been called the most racist, the most homophobic. Like,

it's like over the years, it's always like been taken those, those mischaracterizations, you know, since the beginning, too. Like, people have always tried to poo-poo Jesus Christ in the Bible, but yet it persists. And it's almost like there's a reason for that. And also it's a parallel to what, to what freedom fighters or whomever, anybody who stands. up for their country will go through. They'll get the same slings and arrows of being saying, oh, you just want to stone gay people. And it's like, really?

But, yeah, the world hated me first, as Jesus Christ said. I don't know the Bible verse. I would say it now, though, if I knew it. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this, Greg. You know, when we first, I'm like, how long do I got you for a guy? He's, I don't know, a couple hours. I'm like, well, we'll see if we get there and while we've got there. So I want to make sure that I'm cognizant of your time frame and everything else.

Appreciate you coming on it. doing this and you know well now we know one another and where where everybody's at here you know and once again just thanks for coming on and doing this and and we'll see where the future goes for all of us you know as we kind of start to joke here you know especially with all the different things from the CRTC and all that man the gulag if it ever ever does happen hopefully not will be an interesting place because there'll be an interesting cast of characters sitting in that you know that's one you could probably make a great comedy skit of, you know, a bunch of us sitting in the gulag talking to one another.

They would probably go quite viral because at this point in Canada, you know, you think about it, it is, it is pretty wild who would be sitting in those internment camps if it happened today. It'd be a party, man. It'd be a party. It'd be a great crowd in the Canadian gulags. You know, if they had good food, if they had good food and they had like a pond hockey outside it wouldn't be too bad you know i'd work in a canadian labor camp like how do i get how do i get

in that place they didn't vaccinate us and they kind of just let us do our thing that wouldn't be too bad let's play cards or whatever um yeah but uh thanks so much thanks for much for having me sean i appreciate it where where can people find you craig yeah i'm on uh tick tock twitter instagram youtube uh rumble but all my links are at gregg wycliff dot com so just go to gregg wycliff one word dot com you'll see everything there and yeah, I'll see you guys online. Thanks for having me, Sean. All right, folks, that was Greg Wycliffe.

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