Shaun Newman Podcast - #511 - Rupa Subramanya

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

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She began her writing career at the Wall Street Journal India with a weekly column focusing on an intersection of economics, politics, and public policy. Now she's a writer based out of Ottawa, and her work has been cited in New York Times, Financial Times, and The Guardian among others. She currently writes a regular column for the free press and hosts the Rupa Supermania show with True North. I'm talking about Rupa Suburmania. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Rupa Supermia. ma'am thanks for coming back on it's been it's been a stint since you were last on here i appreciate

you giving me some time no i think it's been about a year it's a real pleasure to be back again how how have things been you've been a busy lady like uh you know when i look at different journalists across canada um you know i think how a lot of us keep track anyone has been twitter and certainly uh twitter these days is a it is the wild west all over again How have things been on your end? Well, I mean, it's been very busy. As you can, as you probably know, I mean, it's not, I mean, there's just been a lot going on in Canada. And, you know, I've been working on a lot of issues, breaking news stuff, reacting to it, commentary, my work for the free press.

Of course, my podcast for True North. So I've been just, you know, really been busy, but having fun at the same time. well and the thing is is Canada doesn't want to seem to give you like a day off you know like it's like every time you think we've we've up the ante and that's probably where we're going to hold for a month or two it just keeps on going and of course I don't know I don't even know where to begin do we do we begin with the Nazi parliament how about we start there um you know like sure he's he's an old man everything else but uh you know you're on the other side of this country for me the west certainly looked at that like what have we done and um uh you know like how can we embarrass ourselves anymore and where are all the leaders that didn't recognize that something was off here before it even happened what are you seeing out there well i live in ottawa uh but i'm funnily enough even though i live in ottawa i'm away from sort of like you know from from from the heart of the action in a sense like, you know, I'm not hanging out with MPs and, you know, and, you know, and, you know,

and having these conversations with them. So my opinions are, you know, based on, you know, just just viewing things from my perch here in Ottawa. And, and I was just absolutely, you couldn't have scripted this better. Like, I mean, it was straight out of some, some crazy TV show or something. I mean, it was just, you know, you had a guy who was part of the He was a Ukrainian nationalist, and then you have the Speaker of the House reading from a text, praising this guy as a Ukrainian and Canadian war hero who fought against the Russians. You notice that as he's saying that, there's a pause, but then at the same time, there's a standing ovation for this guy.

And my question is, you know, it's been the same question I've been asking, which is, was there anybody in that hall, anybody in that space who was like, well, there's something really funny here. Something doesn't make sense. Fought against the Russians during the Second World War. Well, first of all, it was the Soviet Union, not the Russians. And then you had all of these people rise up and, you know, give him a standing ovation. And then you had Zelensky giving a fist pump.

So I just don't know what what happened. to these people? Like, did they just completely leave their brains behind? Like, what's going on? But the only thing that I can, the only explanation I can come up with is that, you know, it goes back to this book by Matthias Desmond about mass psychosis. I don't know if you've read it, but, you know, he goes into some detail. But how, you know, just even intelligent people get taken in by a certain narrative and suspend, you know, just, any kind of critical thinking, you just get swept away by this narrative. And we saw that during the pandemic where, you know, people believed in a certain thing. And we know what happened.

And I feel like our leaders, especially here in Canada, have bought into this narrative about Ukraine. I read an op-ed by Mike Harris a few days ago saying that, you know, if the West were to abandon Ukraine, it would be abandoning its soul or something to that effect. And, you know, there's a lot. To say that, you know, for the West, Ukraine is its soul, it's just completely crazy. I mean, there's a lot of things that matter to us that are, I think, bigger than Ukraine. And I feel like these people have just bought into this narrative. They're so brainwashed into this that they have this massive blind spot when it comes to Ukraine, which is why I think everybody just rose up and applauded this guy. And so, yeah, so I think, you know, I've been trying to figure out why.

I mean, why did all of these members of parliament, you know, you can blame the Trudeau government. You can blame the Speaker of the House. You can, you know, there's a lot of blame to go around. But, you know, was there even a single individual in that house who, you know, who, who said, you know, I'm actually not going to stand up and give this guy standing ovation? This makes no sense to me. Something is amiss here. And I'm just still curious to see who that person is. But, you know, but yeah, I think there was a lot of mass psychosis going on here.

Certainly, I see that at play. It's interesting, you know, I think COVID was, it can teach us a lot, right? Like, how many people in government went against everything government was doing and stood up? I mean, like, I can think of a couple, you know? But it was in hundreds, because if it had been, we wouldn't be in the predicament we were in by the end of COVID. And so when you go, why did everybody stand up and give us standing? Like, you know, you got to remember, like, I don't know what the days are like sitting in that room. but I assume times you're like totally engaged in times you're like they've been talking for an hour

and we've given 12 standing O's to Zelensky and and on and on and you know and you're just kind of like well if I don't stand up maybe they film me and everything else and if if you know I would love to sit there and think like there's a bunch of people are going I'm not standing up for Zelenskyy I'm not clapping but yeah you know it's funny the way our world works the media would probably pick up on that film it put it out because the opposite happens too right now they all clapped what's what's everybody come out saying nobody there thinks nobody there understands history and and and and that's been the uh the the attack on it all when you know i i i look at it you can see it while he's talking about rupert yeah he's like fought against the russians it's almost like

he trails off because he's like oh yeah yeah it's almost like i know i got to finish saying this because i got hundreds of people looking at me but something's off in that even if he couldn't put it in, you know, because like, there it sits. You can see the video. You can see Clear's day in real time. Yeah. I'm going, something doesn't make sense, but I'm not going to stop because that'll make a bigger scene.

Yeah. What's intriguing to me, Sean, is, I mean, you know, you mentioned history. Christy Freeland knows her history. She knows. She's our in-house expert on Ukraine, all things Ukrainian and Russian or the former Soviet Union. I'm just intrigued by the fact that, you know, she should have known. If anybody would have known, it would have been her. And, you know, I'm just very just flabbergasted by the whole thing. Like,

what exactly was going on here when even Christia Freeland, you know, she, she didn't, she didn't put two and two together or maybe she did. I'm not, I can't get into her head. But obviously this was a massive of failure in everything, research, vetting the individual, speech writing, everything. And of course, you know, the buck stops of the prime minister. And his apology didn't really do much for me because, I mean, he was apologizing on behalf of Parliament as a person. He was apologizing on behalf of Canada as though. we gave the guy a stand yes right like you know yeah so this collective like you know guilt collective

blame you know that that you know this doesn't make any sense when the buck stops of the prime minister and that that happens to be just and trudeau and i think he really should have said i am personally i personally apologize for this deeply sorry for what happened those are words i think will never hear from him. I don't think I've ever heard him say that. I, maybe he did over blackface, but,

but, but yeah, I, I just, I just, I think, thought that his apology was, was,

was, was not. We could, weak at best. Yeah, you're asking for something out of a man that we haven't seen. We haven't seen any of that in the last.

Yeah. Well, since his rain, pretty much, right? Like, no matter what, what,

things they seem to do and they seem to do an awful lot. He never takes, I grew up around hockey players and men who like when they're wrong, they're like, man, I got that wrong. And they take ownership of it. Yeah, yeah. And we listen to some of these great men in different circles

across the globe where they have, you know, extreme ownership, if you will, right? They take for other team, they take the heat. And this is a big, big, big, this doesn't get any bigger of a blunder than what just happened, in front of them. Sticking with Trudeau, though. Now, you got these, you got a whole lot going on with India.

And I sit here and I go, like, I, you know, I read the articles. I certainly follow Twitter. I kind of get some of it. But it is like a universe that I don't understand. And, you know, I guess I'm curious, Rupa, what your thoughts are on everything going on with India. Because once again, we just pointed out that he's not going to, He's not getting the Nazi in parliament right. Now we look at him with India and, you know, what I think everybody made fun of him once upon a time for was his dancing and dressing in the gear but not getting things done.

Now he's like making an enemy out of India and we're all going like, I don't know, like there's a whole bunch of people going what is going on? And I don't think there's any trust that he's going to get this right. Yeah. Well, the India situation really is quite, you know, just. deeply disappointing the way it's been handled right from the get-go, actually. You know, the 2018 visit to India by Trudeau and his family was a complete joke. You know, he really embarrassed Canada there. Just for the listener, Rupa, in 2018, when you say embarrassed Canada, remind people.

What happened in 2018 that you're thinking specifically of? Well, I mean, Justin Trudeau took his family to India. and I think he spent a week in India, something to that effect. I happened to be actually, I was actually in India at that time, funnily enough. And, you know, he just, the Indians just didn't take him seriously. As you mentioned, you know, he was wearing these costumes, like he was going to a Bollywood wedding or something. You know, the average Indian does not dress that way

unless they're going to a wedding. So, you know, it was just, you know, he didn't really accomplish anything. Was it a family vacation? Was it some kind of an official visit? If I remember correctly, he was not even received by a high-ranking official. He was not received by the prime minister. He was received by some third-tier minister or something like that. So it was very, very embarrassing all around.

And then, you know, he's also interfered in, you know, in domestic Indian matters. So if you recall, there was this farmers protest that went on for like a year and a half and very similar to the Freedom Convoy protest, but this happened before the trucker's protest. So the farmers took to the streets of New Delhi and occupied the streets with tractors and trailers and they were they were agitating against a, you know, a reform, a farm reform, a bill that that would have seen them, you know, lose a lot of money and revenue. So they were protesting. Yeah.

And so Justin Trudeau, you know, was lecturing the Modi government saying that peaceful protests are, you know, an important part of a liberal democracy and that sort of thing. And the Indian government did not take to that very kindly. but a few months later, of course, we know what happened, or a year and a half later, we know what happened with the trucker's protest when Trudeau actually invoked the Emergencies Act to crush the protest. So the thing is the India-Canada relationship was already sort of on the brink. And with Trudeau's explosive allegations in the House of Commons a couple of weeks ago,

that too on the opening day of Parliament, accusing, suggesting that agents of India were responsible for the killing of this Khalistani separatist here in Canada. And that really, you know, of course, I mean, that a relationship that was already on the brink is now basically in a downward spiral. India did not reacted to that by, well, Canada first expelled an Indian diplomat and then India, you know, There was a tit for tat thing there. And then India suspended visa processing at its missions overseas for Canadian citizens. It also used some very, very strong language calling Canada a safe haven for terrorists and extremists and so on.

And so, and now India's given Canada a deadline saying that you guys have until October 10th or something to whittle down the number of diplomats you have here in India. So, you know, the situation has basically escalated to a point where, you know, it's really bad. I mean, I, you know, I'm not completely on board with everything that India has done either, you know. But I think that Justin Trudeau should have really engaged in a lot of back channel diplomacy, lots of intelligence sharing, work with this Indian counterpart, work with, you know, engaged with our allies. There should have been a lot of this stuff happening. You don't just give up, you know, and just, you know, you send someone to India and communicate this to Modi

or Trudeau himself has communicated this to Modi, it shouldn't just end there. You know, you've got to work, work with them. So to me, you know, I just wonder why did he do this? You know, what was the motivation behind making these explosive allegations in the manner in which he did? And, you know, my initial reaction was, well, maybe he's doing this for political reasons, domestic political reasons. again, once again, playing diaspora politics, placing that over the national interest. And now we see some, you know, he's backtracking a little bit, saying that the relationship with India is important and we need to engage with them, have private talks. You know, it's been two weeks. I mean, it's good that he's come around to this, but again begs the question, why do this in the first place if you're not

interested in engaging with India privately. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting question. Yeah. Like, why do it this way? And have you, like, when you, when you think about that, because like, Roop, you're in a different circle of me.

And certainly with your background and your, in your, and where you come from, like, you have a very interesting perspective on that. Have you, like, has, has, has, does anything make sense? Like, where you're like, oh, maybe. that kind of makes sense. Or you're just like a little bit like no, it just, because the way it's played out is if it was for political reasons here,

it's backfired, right? Like I mean, uh, I think, right? And if it's internationally, it's really backfired. Yeah.

And, and you look at it and you go, so why do it then? Why not do, um, you know, go through the different channels and everything else? Because everybody's been staring at this relationship of Canada and India,

which is, you know, Justin Trudeau. leading the charge force. And everybody's been noticing like, this is odd. He making it look like a buffoon and on and on it goes. Have you had any thought where you're like, maybe that makes sense? No, none of this makes sense.

You know, this caught everybody by surprise. I think it even caught our allies by surprise. And that may be one reason why Justin Trudeau has been, you know, emphasizing the importance of, you know, having private talks with India. Because I feel like they may have, I mean, reading between the lines or just what my sources in India and then the U.S. are saying is that it's probably a told, look, you know, we have, we suspect that India may have been behind this, this killing. but by the way, investigations are still ongoing. We don't quite know, and the suspects have not yet been reprimanded. But yet we have enough intelligence to say that India was behind this.

None of this makes any sense. I'm not ruling out the possibility that India may have done this. The Indian foreign policy under the current Indian government, government is very muscular and India wants to show where it is on the world stage. It's one of the fastest growing economies in the world. It's seen as an important counterweight to China in the Indo-Pacific region. And so India is a pretty important country, a country of 1.1 billion people. It's a huge market.

And so, you know, India is a very different country. from India today is different from the India of 25, 30 years ago when, you know, it could be kind of bullied a little bit by a country like Canada, but the Indians are not, you know, going to take any of that. And so they reacted the way, so which explains why they reacted the way they did. So, you know, my own, my thing is, you know, why did you jeopardize. this very important relationship when every one of our allies is courting India. The U.S. is courting India. Australia is, the U.K. is. But we've, I mean, for some legitimate reasons, we've alienated China.

So that's a relationship that is also on the brink. We've also now alienated India, which is an important democratic ally. you've now basically alienated two-sixths of humanity there. And so what exactly is going on here? What's the game plan? That's an interesting question. Wouldn't that be fun to sit in front of Trudeau and get to ask a few of those questions, you know? Do you think there's anything to the story that came out of India about cocaine on the plane?

No, no, no, no, none whatsoever. I think it's so a lot of people here, completely misunderstood the those, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, um, the, um, the, um, the, the, um, the, the, um, made by a former Indian diplomat on an Indian news channel. He was making the point that, look, if Trudeau can say that he has credible evidence or credible intelligence or whatever it was, uh, that was credible and make these explosive allegations, this guy's point was, well, you know what, my, wife saw him at the airport and he looked completely spaced out and sniffer dogs found cocaine on his plane and you know and this is and he was completely high on cocaine which is why he missed the G20 dinner

that he was just trying to make a point there that you know I have credible these are credible rumors going around so there was absolutely it was a joke but it was completely taken out of context and was taken very seriously here. Also bear in mind a few days before this, Bill Blair, our defense minister, he was asked by a reporter, was there a possibility that Trudeau's plane may have been sabotaged? And instead of refuting it, you know, and just saying absolutely no, I mean, why are you even asking me this question? That's a ridiculous question. He said no comment. You know, I'm not going to answer that question. So leaving open the possibility that there could have been something behind that question, that there might be a possibility that Trudeau's plane may have been sabotaged in India.

So the Indians are looking at this and they're like, you know, what is going on in Canada? You know, now they're accusing us of sabotaging Trudeau's plane. What do you tell? I appreciate you giving me that piece of knowledge because I think that's important for people to hear. I think Moses was going to cocaine on play, but it's a false. funny. It's a funny story. And at this point, Trudeau's career, you're like, I don't know anymore. Like some of the stuff that is going on, it might explain quite a bit. So I appreciate you bringing that up. You know, like when people ask you, what's going on in Canada? Do you even have an

answer anymore? Are you just like, I have no idea what we're doing here. So I write for an American publication. I'm the only Canadian on the team. and I'm and everybody is in the U.S. I get asked this question all the time, you know, what on earth is going on in Canada? It's not just the India-Canada thing right now, cocaine on the plane or Nazi in parliament, it's everything, right? I mean, it's, it goes.

It sounds like a great movie. That's what it sounds like. Cocaine on the plane, there's this there, and there's a Nazi down over there. And you're like, is this a script? Are we reading the script right now? Yeah, I have a hard time trying to explain to them. Like, you know, we've gone to such an extreme on the woke stuff when it comes to things like gender ideology.

The rest of the world, including the U.S., you know, are starting to come to terms with the fact that, you know, hey, you know, wait a second. I don't think we should be approving puberty blockers to every kid who wants it. or conducting these or approving these surgeries that allow young people to, you know, minors basically, to get their, you know, breasts removed or whatever. I mean, you know, these are irreversible things that are happening in the lives of some very vulnerable young people. Yet here there's no recognition or understanding that you know, you can't allow, you don't allow minors to buy a pack of cigarette at a convenience store. But yet these very same people can make these irreversible, life-changing decisions that affect their body. and so in other countries like Sweden, which pioneered gender identity and, you know, all of the stuff that goes along with it,

they've not paused puberty blockers and they've said, look, you know, I think, you know, there's something going on here. We need to take a pause. We need to pause. And we'll only approve this for, you know, on a trial basis. And so you see this across, you know, you see this in Sweden, you see this in Norway, Finland, the UK, and many states in the U.S. But here, you know, any time someone even, you know, raises an objection to what is going on here in the gender ideology space, you're called a far right person. You're called a bigot, a transphobe. Rupa, you're far right. I mean, you are far right. I mean, you are far right as it comes.

So something is going on here that, you know, any anything that any dissent is immediately, you know, there's an attempt to shut it down, label it, smear it, or, you know, try to cancel it or try to cancel the person. So we've, you know, we've, something has happened, you know, over the last five or six years, we find ourselves, you know, where we're fighting for these basic civil liberties, right? And we saw that during the trucker's protest. But, you know, this Bill C-11, which has now become law, you know, is manifesting itself in some very, very problematic ways.

we saw that with the recent CRTC decision. You know, I can't read my own articles on Instagram or Facebook, my articles that are published on the free press. So, you know, you have to ask yourself, you know, with this law, Bill C-Eleven, which became law, this is one of the most repressive censorship bills on the planet. No other Western democracy has, anything like this. This is akin to the kind of thing that you'd see in Russia, North Korea,

you know, in a totalitarian place. Yet it is here in the free world. It is here in Canada. So, you know, many of these things are just, you really have to ask yourself, you know, what is going on in Canada? Medical assistance and dying, another story that I've worked on. we're basically now giving it to people who can't get a wheelchair, you know, or people who can't afford to pay their bills, you know, are getting approved for made. So we've lost our way, and I'm not quite sure how we get out of this. You know, I don't know what the future holds when the present is so incredibly dystopian.

Well, you're not wrong in anything you just said. To me, I was just going to throw in. It almost feels coordinated. And certainly that can take us into the weeds, but around here, what a lot more people are doing is getting involved. They're becoming parts of boards and they're getting involved in politics and they're getting involved in much of everything. Because everyone sees the way it's going.

It makes zero sense. I mean, a pastime of Canada, as you know, is hockey. Yeah. And now they've come out saying hockey Canada is not going to allow. anyone to change in the change room. Now, I'm being a little bit facetious because obviously they're going to change, but they've got to come in their under gear and they've got to do all this stuff to protect gender, you know, because how can a coach know a child's gender? And I'm like, we are reinforcing some of the most dangerous thought process I've ever seen in my life. And now

it's coming into my realm of where I grew up and all the fond memories I have of that. and it just keeps going. And I think what I see out west is more and more people becoming fed up with it. And I hope that means they're getting more involved. And by becoming more involved, they can put a stop to this in their neck of the woods or their different parts of the country. That's what I see, Rupa. I hope that's where we're heading.

But it's certainly when you lay it out the way you have, you know, with made and everything else. you know there's a lot of you know not easy times ahead if things aren't put in order here awfully quick but i mean we're still two years away from an election most likely and even then as we've seen through government it nothing seems to happen very fast does it no and that's that's the thing i mean we're two years away from an election uh i don't really see how this current situation is tenable you know, we're heading into a recession. The economy, you know, the average person is really experiencing inflation of a kind they haven't had an experience for a very, very long time. Our housing market is in a complete state of, you know, just, you know, we have a housing crisis.

we have inflation to contend with. And you know, and you have a series of these screw-ups, essentially. Canada is increasingly isolated on the world stage. It's increasingly an outlier when it comes to a range of different things like the, even during the pandemic, you know, we had some of the harshest measures in the world when it came to things like school closures and vaccine mandates and that sort of thing. So, you know, how can this situation possibly go on for another two years? You know, let's keep in mind that you also have the NDP, Jadmint Singh, who's basically keeping the liberals.

He is keeping the liberals, yeah. Yeah, and in power. And so he bears equal blame. if not more, that he's allowed the situation to get to the point to where we are right now. And, you know, I think the only solution is that Canadians continue to remember what's happened over the last few years. I think we need to keep focused on the issues and, you know, get the opposition to continue to hold the government to account. And of course, you know, when, you know, the ballot box make that decision, you know, for change because, you know, I really don't think that this situation is, is really tenable as I see it. Well, I appreciate you coming on and giving us some time.

I want to be, I want to make sure that I get you out of here on time. I don't overstay my welcome. So I appreciate you, you hopping on, Rupa, and continue to do what you're doing out east. look forward to having you back on as I'm sure Canada will bring us up a few more topics that make us both scratch our head but either way thanks for hopping on

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