Shaun Newman Podcast - #517 - Chris Lyttle

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

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Petroleum. Dot C.A. He owns and operates microbytes here in Lloydminster. It's a locally and naturally grown microgreen producer. I'm talking about Chris Little. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Today I'm sitting with Chris Little. So, sir, thanks for coming in and doing this. Thanks for having me. As I was saying to you, you know, I got in here early folks. And I was like, I forgot to get coffee. I'm feeling a little draggy today. I don't know if I got a cold coming or going or whatnot. It's cold outside.

We were just talking about how it feels like winter's coming. I don't like saying that aloud because then it's almost like it's willing it to be. And I prefer if we had this lovely, you know, I got young kids, three of them. And Halloween is a heck of a lot more fun when there's no snow. And it's like, you know, are we going to have, you know, plus 30? No, but man, it'd be nice if it was only like, you know, I sound two Canadian. Yeah, 10. Can we get 10 outside for Halloween?

And it doesn't feel like it right now. Kids will be putting their costumes over top of their snow suits. It was always hard to walk in. Hard to walk in. Plus, you know, you get, I don't know, you have a daughter, correct? Yes. How old is she? Nine years old.

Nine years old. I assume, you know, and once again, I don't know. I'll ask it this way. What is she into? Who would she want to be for Halloween or who was she last year? Um, last year, I can't remember what it was. Somebody out of a horror movie, she's into the scary, scary stuff. Well, that didn't.

I was, I was, I was, I was expecting, you know, like. It was like Pennywise, no, Pennywise is a clown. She went as Pennywise? There was some issue as a clown with a knife and blood all over here. Oh, my God. Black and white stripe. I don't know what it was. No, thank you.

Yeah. I was just going to say, well, I'll take that one then, I guess. My kids, right now, my, my oldest, wanted to be Iron Man last year. Think? Is that what it was? I think it was Iron Man. Anyway, the costume looks a thousand times better when they're not bolt up by a giant winter coat or have to have a winter coat over it. And me sitting at the house watching all the kids come around, it's so much better when they can just actually wear the costume.

But here where we sit, you know, I got listeners all across the country and then some down in the States, right? And I assume everybody's got their interesting take on Halloween and everything else. But here in Lloyd Minster, when the wind is a blowing and she's cold, nobody's going outside. Nobody's running around in whatever costume unless you're going as a parents are driving them, you know, three houses down, parking, driving others. Let them warm up, taking the hot chocolate, right? Yeah. Well, thanks for coming in and doing this. Thank you for having me.

It was the first time I've ever done anything like this, so it's a little. Yeah, don't worry. Well, to me, to me, it's just a conversation. I know I am, when I, when I sit here, like, you know, it's funny. When I first started, I was, I stared at the mic and I was like, oh. I don't know how I feel about this, but like all we're doing is talking about you. And I, you know, I haven't said these words in a long time. I used to say this to, I had a couple elderly people come in through the Lloyd Minister Archives.

And they're like, I don't really have much to say. And I'd be like, we're just talking about your life. I think you're an expert in that and your experiences. So let's just talk about it. Who is Chris? Tell me a little bit about you. Because like I was saying, I've never heard of you before. and then you get thrown on

onto my doorstep, so to speak, and I'm like, all right, sure, I'm interested to hear a little bit about this story and we'll see where it goes. Well, like I was telling you earlier, I was suffering mini strokes for like two years before my actual stroke where even when I was driving, my arm would just go numb and my left arm would just,

no feeling, no moving. It's just weird. So that's when I went to the hospital. Can we back up just for a second? Can we go before that? Where are you originally from? What were you doing well before this? Just to give people and myself a little bit of idea of who Chris is.

Well, I was jumping from job to job after a while just trying to find something that wasn't a negative space. It was stressful. And so I went from being an oil field electrician to land reclamation farmhand. And then I went to, I was working at Rona. one of the bays, just kind of forklift, organizing product, getting it out front, just helping everybody stalk their shelves and stuff like that. And then that's, you know, when the mini-stroke started getting a little worse. But, yeah, I've been kind of all over the place from Marsden welding years prior

and back in and out of Lloyd off and on. But around Lloyd growing up, right? So, you know, like, are you a Holy Rosary guy? Or are you a comp? I was a comp. Okay. Well, take it, suck it. Holy Rose.

I'm kidding. I was a cop, too. What year did you graduate? I actually didn't graduate. I didn't get along with the teachers very well. Oh, so you have been a rule breaker from the beginning. Yeah, it kind of happens, I guess. I just have something to do with authority that doesn't make sense to me.

Like, I can, you know, if I have to follow the rules that make sense, like, okay, I understand this. But if it's just do this because you're told to you and don't ask questions, I'm like, no. No, it's not going to work. What year were you supposed to graduate? Because you're 32, correct? Yes. So you're five years behind me. So like roughly 2009, essentially.

Yeah, I was going to say 2009, 2010, because I did start a year early, so I would have. Okay. Just to give me, I'm just trying to, in my brain, kind of like paint the picture of where you're at and everything. So you don't graduate high school. Where you just like, what did your parents say? We didn't talk for a year or two after that. that they kind of tried once in a while, but I was just so angry at the time. I don't know what happened.

I was just an angry person. And every place that I worked, there was always people that were always disrespectful. They'd always talk down. They'd bully you. They'd, it was a pain in the ass. Grade 11 you leave? Grade 12 you leave. Actually, it was grade 10.

And then I tried to go back twice, but it didn't work either time. from what I remember, I was having a, the last time that I was in grade 10 in comp, I was having it out with the vice principal about writing an essay in Shakespeare for English. And it got brought up that I needed to learn all of this. Otherwise, I'm never going to amount to anything. And that's when I just. Did you ever think, you know, when you talked about coming back a couple times? So grade 10, you're what?

What are you at folks? 16, 15, 16? That was about 16. Did you have a driver's license? Yeah. Yes, I did. I was working at Calty. and actually the way it worked out.

Oh, Cal tire. Fair enough. Yeah, I was, as soon as I quit school and started going to work full time, they gave me a truck and I was doing a lot of, I can't remember, West Can I think it was. There was a fleet of semi-trucks that I was going out to their shop and doing all of their tires. I'd go and inspect everything. If they had a flat, they had anything, I was fixing it for them. So you felt like, I assume, I'm just imparting, you know, my thoughts on this,

but maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong or right. but you were like kind of found your place in the world a little bit, right? Yeah, it wasn't sitting at a desk being... And you're given a little bit of responsibility, and by sounds of it, you're excelling a little bit, because if you've, you know, I had buddy... The reason I laugh at Caltyre is I applied to Caltyre when I was in high school and didn't get the job, but all my buddies worked there. And so it was like this, you know, I don't know, not cool, hip place.

I don't know if Caltyre was ever cool and hip. But it seemed like if you were in high school, they were always hiring high school kids, and that's where, you know, all of us tried to get into it at one point in time, which is crazy to think, cattle tire and changing tires. Well, it was a fun place to be, honestly. It was great. The mechanic has had a sense of humor. He had a radio over there, and he'd be singing along to some of the songs,

and he'd change the lyrics, and you kind of like, what? So did you ever think about going to Holy Rosary? Or trying to, you know, like, because when I was just talking with, a dad about not in Lloyd Minsterer, her folks, towards Amiton. about his son playing hockey and getting really frustrated. I think it was really frustrated, but he can't make, it sounds like he's a very talented hockey player, but he can't make the highest level.

And it's been the same coach at the highest level, and then go away, you know, any advice on, I don't know. I mean, coaches are interesting, right? Maybe you met, like I never, I always got cut for being too short, drove me nuts. And then I have one coach, believe in me, and off I went, and it changed my life. And Larry's going to be coming back on a podcast, hopefully,

here soon enough because he's a guy that's really, you know, it's been 20 years almost now, but I still think back to it and that's something that really changed my mind or changed the trajectory of where I was heading. When you go back to like grade 10, you're like, okay, yeah, this Shakespeare thing and this, what you're doing, I can't take this. When you tried coming back, did you think maybe if I just switch schools, like maybe a different set of teachers or find the right one teacher? See, I tried that. The first place that I went to school after Lloyd here. I was working in town here for a little while and I had some issues with the people that I was living with. There was drama and it just didn't end well. I was angry at the time

too, so I said things that I didn't need to and it just made things worse. So then I moved out to Marsden with my aunt and uncle and then I try going to school there. And then apparently the, I don't, I've never confirmed this myself, but I was told that the principal was an ex prison guard or something. So she had the, it's like a chip on her shoulder. I was a, the rule breaker. Yeah, the city boy that had to be watched. And then there was some, I was actually at my hometown one weekend. And then when I came back, the first day I went back into school. She pulled me into the office and was like, what were you up to this weekend? Apparently somebody stole a truck and rolled it and lit a garbage dumpster on fire. I'm like, I wasn't even here. I got skills if I'm able to do

that five hours away from here. Yeah, she was always doing stuff like that. And then at the end of that, she was telling me that, well, if you're not going to put this seriously, this and that, and do as you're told, you just should just leave, you know, just drop out. And then I was like, whatever, I'm gone. And then she called me up and was like, oh, are you not coming back to school anymore? I was like, well, after our last conversation and what you said, no, well, I didn't say

that. It was like, no. Were you doing? Well, heck, this is what I do. I pry. at any time telling a fly kite. But were you doing drugs and stuff? No, you were just smoking weed once in a while.

Like it didn't even really start that very heavily until a boat, until I was actually welding. I started welding after I dropped out again. I was the first thing that I started welding were Texas gates for the oil fields. They had those, I think there were three inch pipes in front of their oil leases where you drive over them. I haven't seen too many around here, but down in margin area, they used them a lot. It's like a little trench.

They'd stick this big, massive, I think we had six three inch pipes, reused pipes that they were pulling out of the oil. Yeah, service or you pull out of the hole. Yeah, and they were just garbage, I guess, at that point. So I was taking those up with a loader, bringing them into the shop, and then just throwing each one on this. I can't remember if it was channel iron that we were using, but it was like six and.

channel eight inch channel iron we were welding six to eight of those pipes on there and hauling them out that was fun i was doing that for a good half a year to a year i believe and then i went up to atm in kitscottie welding uh ladders for uh tanks yep you've been around there you kind of i kind of worked a lot did you ever find uh i'm just curious i guess did you ever find uh a job where you found like the word that comes to mind is like a mentor that's what I think of of Larry like when I went out to hockey because at that point in time you know certainly I graduated but I was like I'm just going to pick up a job I'm going to work it I'm going to chase girls I'm going to drink too much I'm I'm done with this hockey thing I'm really annoyed I don't want to you know and then

one phone call I go out there and Larry was exactly what I needed he was a drill sergeant but he cared about you, right? He had rules, but he cared about you. And it never, some people hated him. And I just, I needed it. I needed that structure in life. I needed to be told, you know what? There's no drinking tonight.

And you don't get to drink until I say so. And I'm like, well, all right, sweet. All right. Well, that doesn't bother me, Annie, and, and some direction in life. It's a lot easier when you have somebody that you respect being like, hey, here, you've got to draw the line. That's right. But they're listening to you as well, right?

Like one of the things I noticed, you know, was our captain and our assistants still got to have, you know, so it was just, I had had mental, or mental male role models in my life. But at that pivotal moment, I don't think any of them could have gotten through to me, except for one who believed in me playing hockey. To me, I just look back at it and it just makes like perfect sense. It was perfect timing, though. Like, I mean, I was just, I was, when you talk about being angry, I was, I was, I was frustrated. right like you're good enough hockey player but your four inches too short you see that enough times to a kid i'm ready to like just yeah it's like why does height matter if i can't outplay everybody else why can't i because you can't teach size that i mean like you look at the nchel and

it's certainly changing now but for a long time there it was like wow you know eventually the big guy's going to lean on you and whatever but i mean like you know it that just got it was it was crazy how many coaches all believe that same thing and how it just played out through my life with you bouncing around different jobs being out of high school. You know, at 16, most of us are still under our, you know, parents' rules. We're going to school, love it or hate it. It doesn't matter.

Some say that's the best times of your life. I used to think that. Then, you know, I went to college. And then I went to junior hockey. Then I went to college. And now I'm living now with my kids. And I'm like, what a funny thing to tell kids. Like, I don't think certainly carefree for most.

Yeah. But I don't know about best time of your life. There's a lot of best times. It has its moments, right? Because when you're hanging up with your friends a lot, because after you graduate, everybody goes their separate ways, right? And then you see each other less and less and you're adulting, we'll call it more than actually just because you can't just be like, oh, let's go to the park or let's go to the mall or,

let's go for a trip five hours away because, well, you've got something to do tomorrow. So I think that's more what it refers to is that level of freedom that you have that you no longer have after you're out of school. So did you find, did you find anyway? Because I sit across from you now and I don't see it. I don't think I see an angry man. I see a guy who seems like he's pretty okay with, honestly, by the sounds of it, a pretty shit hand.

And you've been dealing with it. And I want to hear about that. But like along your journey to this point, did you find, I don't know, what did you find? Well, there's, I don't know if I really found much of a mentor. There are people that definitely kind of help me see things differently. So I guess sort of like a mentor, but it was never anything long lasting just because things always seem to happen. And before my stroke, I would always react before I would think, which ends badly. More often than not because you don't really have control of what you're saying.

You're just spewing whatever comes to mind, even if you don't mean it or don't even know what it has to do with this. You're just seeing red. But, no, I've calmed down a lot, thankfully. Well, you're not the only one who's governed by his emotions, you know? I'm not perfect at this. but I can just imagine the amount of hands that have gone up where they say the wrong thing around me in well maybe even now I don't know you comment on I just emotions are a tough thing I think we all wrestle with that right some people really can have a handle on it yeah nothing phases them you're just like how do you how do you teach me right and they probably look at you or others and go man every once in a while I admire them for for being energetic or voicing their opinion or standing up for themselves or, you know, different things like that. I think standing up for yourself is kind of the idea because being pushed around and whatnot,

you don't feel very good about yourself. And then you keep letting that happen and it keeps getting worse. And then that's, I think, what made me a very angry person. Because I used to be like all growing up, I was bullied a lot. And, you know, it wasn't happening every day, but when it would happen, it would just go on and on and on. And it would just make me so angry. But I was always told, don't do anything about it.

Just mind your time and just, it. ignore it, that'll go away. Never went away. No, never went away. It just got worse and worse. What did you get bullied for? Well, I was actually quite short myself. Welcome to the club.

I was a very small child because I started a year early. So everybody else was already five going on six. I was four going on five. So I was quite a bit smaller than everybody else. And it was actually in my original school in Malford, Saskatchewan. I was actually bullied by women some of the times. And then I came here. It wasn't as bad.

because the girls just, I don't know if they wanted to be liked by the popular guys or what it was, but they would just jump in and throw a little knock at me once in a while. Women up here kind of tried, but didn't really hit me as hard because it's like, well, I don't care about these ones. Back then, it was like, oh, I'm a little kid. Oh, I like this girl, and she's being mean, you know, but whatever. A long time ago. It's funny. Kids are funny, you know?

Yeah. Like, I mean, like the bullying side of things, the, because like, I mean, playing hockey, big guys on the ice tried to bully me my entire career. That was, that was the name of hockey, right? And so you get creative and you have a little bit of fun with it. And you find ways to, I can't bully a six foot four guy folks. I can't. Push you over. But I also can take zero shit and really, you know, stick out that way.

And hockey taught me a lot of that. Did you grow up playing sports? No, I wasn't very good at sports. I mean, I could do badminton, volleyball, but I was always trying to get in with, like, rugby or football and whatnot. No, I was too small, and it didn't work. Well, let's talk about these micro, no, what did you call? Micro Greens.

They're like, no, no, no, no, not micro. You mentioned, sorry, mini strokes. Mini strokes, yes. How does this all start? How old are you when this starts? And walk me through this, because you're talking about your arm going numb. Where does this start and, like, how long does it progress before you start to really, you know, walk me through the story? Yeah.

See, I was welding for a couple of years. There was after I was done working at the ATM tank manufacturing and Kitts Scotty, my grandfather heard about me having a little fallout with one of the members that one of the people that we were working with, he was so slow and he would always have to fix his mistakes. and it would just backlog everybody else so it would just kind of ruin the flow of the workplace, I guess, because you'd always have to go back and fix somebody else's mistakes and it just, again, I was very angry.

You know, it was frustrating because you would always have to go back and redo something, which would take apart your time from your task, and then I went and made a complaint to the higher up because nobody else was listening

and he's like, well, if you can't get along with everybody else in here, then just there's no place for you here. Like, that's fine. If you want to keep somebody who's ruining your workflow and causing everything to be delayed, that's whatever. And then I was done there. My grandfather heard about that. Called me up and said, you ever thought about being an electrician?

It's like, no. Why? Because you start school here two months. I guess he went and paid for my tuition for Vermillion, electrical. And then that's kind of where that started. I was in that for a few years. I got my second year. Did you ever talk to your grandfather, but?

No, not before that. He called me up a few times. He just kind of quizzing me up, and he was like, oh, yeah. The last time was like, oh, yeah, well, guess what? You're going to school at this time. You need to be here on time, figure out your books and whatnot, because I was still working at the time, so I was able to buy the books and whatnot,

but he paid the $1,000 tuition and whatnot got me accepted, and it was kind of interesting. And you've never you've never picked his brain on that. No. As I sit here, I'm like, man, I wish you grabbed. Well, he worked for SaaS power for the longest time. So I think that's where he was like, you know what? I know all these electricians here.

They get paid well. And, you know, they're doing their own thing. There's not a lot of people contact. You're just there to do a job. You do it. And then you leave. When I talk about people believing in people and the power of belief in somebody is like really, really special, you know, because you're, you're like vouching for them.

You're seeing something that most don't, let's say. What your grandfather, because like I just, I think, you know, you hear different families where they just like, there's no reaching this child anymore or whatever. And I actually think of drugs a lot. I don't, listen, folks, I don't, I'm not judging. I have no idea, you know, I just sit here and look at this and I go, man, what a, what an interesting conversation. Your grandfather's still alive? Yep. You'd be an interesting chat to just go sit and be like, why did you?

do that. Yeah, he really cares about the family. I don't really know too much of the backstory, but I know that there's, he just wanted us to not be bums or whatever. He wanted us to have purpose and, you know, be able to do something for ourselves, be responsible. And he gave me an opportunity and I went with it. And it was probably the best thing that I ever did, really, because it was two years ago in school, which I will complain about Vermillion because I was parking somewhere on campus and I got a number of parking tickets for parking at the school. I think I had like $2,000 worth of fines and I didn't realize that everybody was getting them. So they had to go to the court dates and refuse or whatever, go through with it and then it would be dropped.

I didn't know that. So I ended up with $2,000 with the fines and then I got a letter in the mail telling me that, well, we're now, because you haven't made any attempt to pay these all. off where you're going to start garnishing your, uh, your income tax to pay it all off. I'm like, I don't even remember getting these tickets. But yeah, apparently I was, uh, parking in a no parking zone in the parking lot of, uh, Vermillion campus. I can't remember where I was parking, but I was parking there for school. And I don't know if it was just somebody trying to justify their job running around

dancing, handing out tickets or what, but it was, things really bother you, right? Yeah, the stuff that doesn't make any sense. It's like, okay, if I... I know, but the world doesn't make sense right now. So I could just imagine Chris at home being like, what is going on? Yeah, there's rants, but I try not to get started with that because there's a lot of people that do see things differently, but I look at things from like a moral standard.

And it's like, is this going to hurt somebody? Is this going to make somebody angry? And is that my problem? Okay, so if you're like cooking breakfast and there's like, there's only two eggs left, Are you going to take one or are you going to take two knowing that the next guy is going to want eggs in the morning? Some people go and take two and I'm like, well, that's a bit of a dick thing to do. I would either leave it and find something else.

Depends if it's one of my brothers. Yeah, it depends on the person, obviously. Because I think like if it's my wife and I, absolutely. I might even leave both eggs. I might be like, you know what I actually, I actually don't even name an egg this morning. I've got other things or my kids, right? Yeah. I can just, but if it was one of my brothers, shout out to the brothers, it's like, how can I mess with them?

today you know and uh certainly when when you know people love doing this you know i played like i mentioned i played hockey for a long time and people love getting me worked up and sometimes it's really easy sometimes it takes a really long time and something's i can just imagine being hey tomorrow i'm gonna have can you leave me an egg yeah yeah yeah yeah no problem i show up there's no eggs i can just imagine me pop my top and somebody just laughing and and thinking it's the funniest thing so i guess but i hear what you're saying yeah like there's obviously it's situational obviously because you know if you're really close with somebody you want to put a jab at him just to kind of ha ha later it's whatever but more often than all i'll try to avoid confrontation

just because again like we were saying earlier it's hard to control your emotions when you get worked up and then things just escalate and never end well you know somebody who's feeling hurt you don't talk to people for a while and it just you go through enough times you don't really want to well i think you know when you put it um i think most of us don't like confrontation what covid did though was it forced us, it really forced us to choose. It's like, listen, you can have confrontation. You cannot have confrontation. You can go along to get along, but if you keep going along to get along, we're all going to be jab 1800 times. Well, see, that's the worst part. They even come out and told you that the vaccines didn't work, the masks didn't work, washing your hands didn't work,

but obviously keep washing hands. Cleanliness. It helps keep things from spreading. But I mean, like, everything you touch, you could get COVID off of because it could last for 10 days on surfaces and then well you breathe the same air as somebody else while you're going to get COVID so then people are walking around with a face shield it's like what does that do like you've got all this access to air all around this face shield but you feel safe because you have a piece of plastic hanging in front of your face now COVID I've got a lot of different opinions on that one we'll say just because I've seen so many contradictions to that and it's like what is the point I know, but it's people like you that saw it probably saw it first because you've been staring, you've been, the world hasn't made sense to you for a long time.

No. Right? Most of us, I think back, I think back to my English, I used to love, I still like to read, but I used to love it. Like, I mean, I loved reading. I see to my son right now, he's seven, it's awesome. I can't just wait to give him books to read and he still love to read. So in grade 10 or 11 English class, I read, man, what was it? Snow falling on cedars, I think it is.

It's a story about, you know, racial discrimination, but it's a murder mystery, right? Thick book. Most kids in my class picked the, you know, the 150-page book. I picked the 500-some to challenge myself. I remember thinking, I can read that. So I read it. and I wrote a paper on how, well, honestly, I didn't think it was that much about race as about,

like he really was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and they made it about race, but the story I actually read that, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, this has been a long time ago, folks. Maybe going back as an adult, I'd see it different. But at the time,

I remember thinking, like, this story is trying to say they tried framing a Chinese man or whatever his background was. And I went, I wrote in my paper, I'm like actually you know when I read the book he was there he actually had all these things going and maybe I missed a bunch But I'm like it's right in front of you that he actually was a suspect and it doesn't make like I realize the time and age and everything that talking about in the story But the way the writer wrote about it my mind goes actually possibly could have done it

Not that he did it but he possibly could anyway The the teacher gave me a failing mark and said you didn't read the book and and so I had to go in. It was the first time I'd ever been like called on. Like you, you know, you didn't read something, which I,

which I had done. And as a high school student, that was very frustrating. And I got a 48 and I walked in and argued with her. I'm like, I did read it. And I, you know,

and then she didn't like how I've written. So she said, fine. And she crossed out 48 and gave me a 52. So I got a passing mark on my paper, but she gave me like as low grade as you're going to get. And so actually when you, When you talk, for me, I guess I just didn't, I've internalized it some, but I mean, I was able to move on where when I listen to you, you're like, well, fuck this system. I'm out then. If you can't trust that I've actually done it.

Yeah, it's like, because in school it was all basically opinion basis. Whatever, if you didn't make your teacher happy, well, good luck getting through class. Like you don't, I can't count how many times I heard, well, I don't get along with this person. I spent, you know, three days on this paper. I'd brought in a whole essay. and then she gave me a 60 when you know somebody else reading it's like oh this is really good you should have you know flying colors passed but because the teacher didn't like you well you're graded a much harder degree they're just not going to give it to you because they're biased like that right that's the thing I didn't but you saw something that a lot of I mean in college a different example is I took stats and the reason I took stats is because it was said to me that it was the hardest class in our college and I wanted to challenge myself again I'm like okay how hard Could it be? It was hard. But, you know, the teacher was really interesting because if he saw you trying and like taking extra hours and getting tutored and asking questions and everything, and I'd heard that, then he would help you along. He wouldn't push you to the side. If you just showed up and didn't do all the extra work that stats is, he just wasn't in time for it. And so we learned that like that was something as, you know, you picked up on that as he, you know, a young adult. You're like, oh, okay. Fair enough. And I think as business owners or just like, I don't know, adults maybe, the people that do the little bit of extra, you're probably more inclined. And I'm not, you can have at me. You're probably more inclined to go, huh, interesting, right? Like, and what you're doing, or what I think I heard was you were like, you were holding on because you didn't want confrontation.

And then finally you were just going in and going, this is what it is. And they were going, yeah, it's, if, you know, if this is how you're going to be, then that's the door.

Meanwhile, you've actually, in your mind, like, you've been like, I'm not, it's not going to voice my opinion because voicing my opinion

gets me fired every time. Yeah. Right? I think, maybe I'm wrong on what I'm here. Essentially what it was, yeah, but being emotionally unstable or whatever,

I don't, I wasn't really that bad, but when I got a frustrated or angry and somebody would try to confront me about that telling me that, telling me that I'm wrong for how I'm, feeling or all you should just put up with it because everybody else does or whatnot. I just didn't.

Yeah, this isn't the way life's supposed to be. No, it's like, why can't we all just come to work, get along, do what we're supposed to do, and, you know, efficiently get through the day. Why does somebody have to basically crap on somebody else's day to make themselves feel better? It's like there's no reason for that. Just because you're a miserable sack of garbage doesn't mean you have to make everybody else at your level like this. Just no reason for that.

That takes leadership. And so if you don't have leadership, then it allows to happen. And then you got this population or workforce that is volatile because you don't know what you're getting every day. Because all you go, you think of how much time you spend of work, man. It is a ton. It is a lot. It's like half your day that you're awake is essentially at work because you work for eight hours a day. A lot of people like for the longest time when I was working as even a welder in the electrical,

you had to be like when I was at welding I had to be at work by about 6 6.6.30 and that's when the day started. So you're up at 5.30. You shower, you coffee, breakfast, and you're off to work. You know, electrical, I was a little more, was like, what is the point? You know, you come to the shop, you stand around for a half an hour, 45 minutes. And then they tell you, okay, you're going up to work. So knowing that, it's like, well, I don't have to be here right at 6 because I'm going to be standing there until about 6, 37 o'clock anyway. So that would be strolling. in about quarter after six, six 30, whatever, because just in time for us to leave, that nonchalant attitude wasn't very liked by the higher ups, but I mean, it's like, you're standing around on concrete and then you're standing around all day. What is the point? I'm here ready to go for work, but again. Once again, I, uh, some of that's just communication, right? And leadership. Um, because, again, um, um, because, You know, I had this conversation. Geez, how long ago was this now?

With a First Nations man and their culture towards time and how they just look at it different. And I would get offended if you're 15 minutes late. But in their mind, and I'm paraphrasing, and I'll probably butcher this a little bit. Like, you know, times kind of like, you know, we get started when we get started. Mm-hmm.

Where I've been talking about. I grew up in hockey culture where it's like, you're there two hours before a hockey game, sometimes two and a half hours. Getting ready. Yeah, for some people, that's an insane thought. But for me, it's like, no, that's what you do. You get to the rink.

You make sure everything's set in order. Your stall's set up. You're feeling good. Like, you know, there's this, you look good, you feel good, you play good. And I really embody, like to me, that is a serious thing. So showing up two minutes before a hockey game, slap it on the gear and running out. Although as I get older, I totally get it. And I totally do it now.

Yeah. Once upon a time, that was not what I was built on. So when I, you know, when I host an event or I show up to a, a day of work, I like to be there early. It almost takes all my stress and anxiety and just obliterates it. But if I don't talk about that and tell people that's what I expect and then just show frustration. Then you go, well, where's the communication to explain it to the other people to be like, no, this is what we do and this is why we do it. Because then you can, then in the other side, you can be like, yeah, I'm just not into that. And then you have a choice of like,

well, then maybe you shouldn't be here. Oh, okay. Well, well, how would you want to do it? Yeah, you work with it and then you avoid the confrontation. You'll get it out of the way and you can be civil about it rather than just going off the deep end on somebody. Well, isn't it in confrontation both ways? It's just like it's confrontation. Don't get me wrong. Probably at the furthest out extent ends in violence, right? I think that's probably the confrontation I think of.

But like this is confrontation. It's just it's in a realm. Different levels of it really. Right. Different levels. So when you, when you're when you're communicating out your thoughts back and forth, that's confrontation. That's like, listen, something's bothering you or me, and I just want to get to the bottom of it. And if you allow people to be a part of the conversation, then the confrontation doesn't ever escalate to where people are running around, whether it's work or the countryside or politics, whatever, saying, yeah, yeah, that guy's a piece of shit and whatever else and spreading rumors and lies and everything else.

It never gets there because that's a type of confrontation too. That's like totally undermining the entire process to eventually it blows up. And listen, I'm not perfect to this. I have been a part of that before. And when I look back at it, I'm like, man, so much this could have been just absolutely demolished if I just would have went and talked to the individual and said, this is what's going on. I don't like it.

This is going to sound confrontational, but I just want to get the bottom of it because I'm thinking about it a lot, which means I care. And what are your thoughts? And once you get people talking, I see what you're talking about. And you think about COVID, bringing it all back to big old COVID. What happened? both sides still aren't talking. It's starting to happen more, but...

Yeah, it's like you're questioning authority. How dare you? Like, they're supposed to be looking out for our best interest, so you better listen to them because this and that. It's like, well, if you look at all the evidence, it's not what they're doing. They're telling you to do this, do that, because you're going to get COVID and die.

But when you're doing all this stuff, it doesn't stop you from catching it, transmitting it, or anything. So then, you know, people like me, there's a few people that there's like, well, if masking doesn't stop me from getting infected and it doesn't stop me from infecting you, why do I wear the mask? It might limit it, but so it coughing into your arm or into your shirt. Or staying home when you're sick.

Staying home when you're sick, exactly. But then what do you do with people that don't know that they're sick? Again, that's where. Yeah, but right, right now I could be sick, right? Like this asymptomatic is like the amount of fear that was pumped into society was wild. So that we all could be, you know, and we all got to be, and it's like, folks, sometimes we just have to call bullshit on authority and be like, sorry. That's exactly it because.

I just disagree. We're going to move on with life. And you can stay in that world. That's fine. You know, we did the one million march for children here in town. I don't like confrontation. I really don't, which may surprise people, but I just, I don't. I want to be the person you want to have in your house and you get along with and everything

else. But just going along to get along has got us to a really dark place in history. Well, it has because, you know, somebody with a negative point of view or an oppressive version of, well, they're seeming like they're trying to be inclusive. They're trying to be good and they're trying to balance everything out. But in reality, it's you're oppressing others to get what you want. like I know it probably end up being bad for a lot of people but I mean you look at the natural feminist I know so many women that do not align with the feminist goals nowadays because they're so radical they're extremist and it's like you're supremacists you're not looking for equality and then you look at people like Jordan Peterson or Pearl or like Jordan Peterson says it you want you want equality well how would you go to war how about you go work that plumber job you know why don't you go do this why don't you go do that and the women just like Why would I do that?

Well, that's a quality, isn't it? Well, no, that's not fair. You call him out on that. It's just, like, Jordan Peterson and I followed him for quite a few years. He's a psychologist out of Ontario, actually, I believe. Have you seen him live? No. You've never seen him live?

No, I have not. I wish I did. But I've been watching all of his videos mostly on YouTube every time. Like, I get the PIN notifications pop up when he's got something new. You know who the number one guest that I've been trying to get on this? podcast is. Who? Jordan Peterson.

Yeah, he is. This podcast is here. I mean, I give a lot of, a lot of credit to Jordan Peterson, but he, he, you know, I talk about Larry Wintoniac as a hockey coach. And later, you know, what is it? Probably 10, no, more than that, probably over a decade past, I read this book by Jordan Peterson, and I go, holy crap. And out of that, you know, what's the old saying?

I was actually thinking about it this morning on the drive, folks. It's you judge a tree by the fruit of bears. And so Jordan Peterson says a lot of wild crap. Like, I mean, he is polarizing. And it offends so many people, but if they actually took a second to just listen, he's not saying it to get a reaction out of you. He's not saying it to offend you or dis you or anything like that. He's just telling you from a psychology ground base.

This is how things go. And, you know, you can expect things to either go good or bad based on your choices so it's all on you you have to take accountability and well and I go back you look at the fruit at bears I'm saying you know I'm not I'm putting a lot of credit towards Jordan Peterson but the podcast comes out of listening or reading Jordan Peterson and then changing a few things in my life which leads to the podcast so in a weird way I'm not that weird I look at the the fruit of his tree has you know and some of the things and I'm like it's all been good like sure are there people offended by how he thinks, guaranteed.

Like, there's things he says that I'm like, oh, man, is that, like, I got to think about that, right? Yeah. But in today's age, you know, it's a heck, it's on my business card in order to think you got to risk being offensive. Yeah. And like, why do people tune into this? It's not because we sit and talk about all the niceties of life.

It's like, no, there's some problems. And if we don't talk about them, they only get worse, not better. And I think we're starting to all realize that. the further this goes along. And some people have known this for a very long time. But it goes to the ostrich with his head in the sand. They don't want to see it. They don't see it.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't affect them directly. So they just ignore it. Have you seen the guy who's pulling the sheep out of the ditch? You haven't seen the video of the listeners. You're going to have to bear with me. I got to show it to you. There's a video.

I'll post it on Instagram again. But there's a video of a guy pulling a sheep out of out of a ditch and then it runs about 10 yards well I'm not going to spoil it because the first time okay here it is here it is

okay so it says me trying to save my friend from government propaganda my friend the sheep runs about like I don't know 10 yards jumps straight up in the air and lands right back in the hole right so you know like the one thing is

you can try but I'm listening I'm listening to I'm listening to you, and I know my, my backstory. Like, even if you had tried to get me eight years ago, I would have been stubborn. I think of the Bible and where I'm at with it. You could have been like, you need to do this. And I would have been like, fuck you.

I'm not interested in your shit. I'm going to do me. And I know best. And as I get older, I'm learning, I don't know, Jack Squat. And I really need to listen to some people. And now my eyes are opening up and I'm like, oh, man, there's a lot of things that I was not told about. Or I just wasn't receptive to. that's just that you wouldn't be receptive because anytime that you get told something that

doesn't quite align with your ideas of the way that things are going you're going to well like people nowadays these extremists that lash out right away they like they get red in the face teary eyed and they're just like you are the worst person in the world i'm going to yell and scream and spit in your face because you offended my sensitive feelings and it's like well logically the world doesn't revolve around you you have to accept things for what they are you can't just make things up as you go. Well, got hooked. People are like, where did Sean go?

I just wanted to check one thing. You know, this one man band thing, folks. I'm just like, I've got to make sure this is, which it is. Okay. Yeah, the, well, that's where I come back to the one million marks for children. Like, I just, we're just standing out for parental rights, you know. And we'll see that you shouldn't even have to do that. Who, like, there's been a lot of, I don't know.

any names off but I've been scrolling Facebook and whatnot and there's been quotes taken from people from like the 18 1900s so we're like you know government should never be in control of your children because they don't know anything but what they're doing like they're they're indoctrinating kids like school systems nowadays I will just from my experience I feel that it's failed the idea of sit down shut up do as you're told and ask permission to do anything is wrong because, well, that was my biggest problem because there was a few times

where, you know, you're 13, 14, you have to go to the bathroom because, you know, you drank a lot of water because you were running around outside. You have to go to the bathroom. They make you wait the whole class. You're sitting there dancing in your desk, trying not to piss yourself,

and then, oh, fine, just go. It's like, why is that necessary? The kid's got to go to the bathroom, just let them go. From their side, that might be the 17th kid and they might have had four of them abuse it and they're going, right?

So this is where the conversation, you know, is like, because I know tons of teachers, my wife's a teacher, lovely human beings. I don't think, when I look at it, I go, I don't think they're, they think they're in doctrine. I don't think, I think they're in a position trying to help children along and everything else.

And every once in a while, they're going to get a kid that pushes back. That abuses, which runs it for everybody else. Right. And so then it's like, what is the perfect system? I'm sure somebody sitting there listening is banging the dash right now, going, I know, I know. All right, well, send it along, you know, because I'm not opposed to listen to different people. Lots of people are turning to homeschool right now. Lots of people

are finding great things with homeschooling. The other one I just ran into is private school. I mean, geez, Shine Academy here, just north of town, that's, you know, they're taking over a hall and doing it that way. There's lots of people looking at different ways to give children education in a way that's conducive to their, I don't know, temperament. Is that the right word? You know, like trying to find different ways to motivate kids that, like some kids, I look at my oldest. He is perfect for the farm.

He just loves throwing rocks and being a typical boy. But you, you know, you get in certain situations, and this is where like the sitting for a long time, right? Teacher had been fantastic with him, I have to say. But like, you know, like he just has a hard time sitting still. to bounce like I mean like he gets on a trampoline that's his home you know so then putting him at a desk and and trying to like hey you know yeah it's just it's not conducive now is there anything wrong with them no and and thankfully I think all the teachers that teach him agree they're just

like he's high energy it's like yeah it's high energy kid some other kids that's nothing wrong with teachers or nothing like that they do what they can but a lot of them you know we're all human they're going to get frustrated they're going to do things based off of experience You're a parent. I get frustrated with my kids all the time. Man. Yeah. Nobody that teaches you what parenting is going to be all about.

No. And see, that's another thing. Like I don't have anything against teachers. Like I said, we're all people. Stuff happens. But the biggest thing that I find is like everybody's graded the same. Everybody's expected to do the same thing over and over again. Well, you look at that.

You've got a goldfish trying to climb a tree. Well, you're always going to fail. But you're expected to because you're in. a class with a bunch of monkeys that can do that up and down. You know, it's, you got to customize your, your learning practice to suit the child. You have to keep them involved. You have to keep them interested. And you can't just be like, well, this is this.

And you just have to do it. And then you've got kids sitting here breaking pencils, throwing stuff. And they're just frustrated because they don't want to be here, which makes it even harder for them to learn because, well, now they're not focusing on what they should be learning. They're focusing on what they'd rather be doing. That's an interesting point. Goldfish climbing a tree. I don't know if we've ever heard that before, you know,

and you're not wrong. I think of, the perfect example would be the fitness test. Everybody is supposed to do the exact same thing. There's always going to be them people running, you know, that five, ten laps. There's going to be those kids that are like four laps by and just struggling to get by.

It's funny, Bray of Fitness test. I was talking to a buddy of mine, Marty out of Airdry. And his son, Just did a 5K run for the first time ever. How old is he, Marty? Is he? It doesn't matter. 11-ish, somewhere in that range, maybe a little younger, 11-ish, we'll say.

And he ran a 5K in 18 minutes. And I don't know if you know anything about fitness, but I'll tell you my side of the story. We used to go to college. The first thing we did on college was we had our fitness test. So you come back from summer, now they're going to fitness test you. And we had, I think it was like five things. It was, what, 5K run, bench press, squats, chin-ups, maybe it was four. I hated it.

Because, like, look at me, even in my most physical aspect, I could never do as many chin-ups as everybody else. I could never run, no matter how hard I worked on. So this one summer, I'm like, okay, I can't remember. I think it was 21 and a half minutes is the time they won this under. Otherwise, you were deemed unfit, you know? And it was more shame than anything. Like, there's no punishment came of it. It was almost just kind of like, oh, you haven't.

So I worked my bag off, right? I'm going to get on there's 21 and a half. And I got 21 and 50 seconds. And I was just like, fuck me. You know, like, what was all that for? Like, I didn't even get there. And when I came back from biking Canada, I literally biked Canada at the age 20,

went to junior, and they did a race around the track. I tried keeping up with the fastest guy. I've literally just biked the country. My legs are steel. and for like four laps I'm right there beside him and then I just hit this point and I just died

I finished like 14th I'm like I just whatever it is about my body and running it doesn't love it here's this kid who's like 10 does a 5K for the first time ever and the coach walks up to his dad and goes I think he likes running

I don't know what it is he can just do it 18 minutes as a like as a young kid who's never done running before I'm like some kids can do that yeah everybody's built differently it's all you know

genetics has a big thing to do with it because I mean you're just just from, you know, initial assumption, it would be like based on your parents, like if they're physically active, you're going to have a much higher chance of being successful, being physically active just because it's your genes, your cells or whatever, they're conditioned to that partly. But if you've got parents that have both been couched potatoes, alcoholics, you're probably not going to be better on the same par as, you know, somebody who's playing hockey and then a mom that was in volleyball, you're just kind of physically at a disadvantage because your cells aren't conditioned to handle that.

Like you've got to put in a watt extra or like 110% just to catch up to everybody else putting in 70%, you know? And the other thing is about athletic parents or people who are really engaged like that is they, they almost know the cheat code for young kids on where to put them early to get them to level up fast, you know? and, uh, or where, you know, or they see certain things and kids. Yeah. Like there, there's something there. And I don't know how the heck we got way over here. I'm trying to pull it back to, I want to hear you got to tell me about these mini

strokes, you know, it's like, wait, you brought Chris on the, and I'm like, I don't know. You know, I'm having fun, I guess as what I'm doing. Let's talk about these mini strokes. And when they start and what, like, what, what is going on? Honestly, I can't even remember when they started. I want to say about when I was. I was 17, 18 is when they started. But they were very, they would only happen when I would get extremely frustrated.

Like, you know, probably blood pressure related because, you know, you get frustrated. You get red in the face. All the bloods rush into your head, stuff like that. Then I would have little dizzy spell, stuff like that. And I'd be like, okay, I got to calm down. Just walk away, whatever. But I'd like to refer to myself as young and dumb back then. It wasn't quite the first thought to come to mind.

So, you know, you're in a confrontation. you don't want to back down and things is health-wise it just kind of got worse and worse but that's part of why i started avoiding confrontation as much as possible just because i i don't want to be angry anymore it just brings out aside of me that i don't like i i just don't see any reason for that so if you're going to make me angry why are you here like you're supposed to everybody's supposed to be comforting each other's life helping each other forward not holding them back and with that in mind your circle goes small because there's a lot of people people that don't understand that.

They're, they're kind of self-centered. They think about the way things should be, and if it's not that way, they're going to get angry, right? And it's, I'm getting off track again. But the mini strokes, yeah,

they've been happening for years. And then when I was in electrical school, I almost fell out of a desk. So you're 32 right now. Yeah. You figure right around 17, 18. So you've been dealing with this roughly for 15 years, roughly. No, I haven't had anything since 2016, one of my stroke.

But it was like four years prior to 16 because I was in electrical school at 2011. Okay. And that's when it started ramping up a little bit more, which didn't make any sense because, you know, I was not in any real stressful environment. I was really enjoying the school because math was my strong suit and it's all electrical was. You know, math equations, you had to figure this out. You know, you've got so many resistances. You've got to figure out how much power is coming from A to B and how much power you're going to need to run everything properly, stuff like that.

Like, I was, I loved it. It was great. I was taking extra stuff home just to play around with. But for some reason, one day when I was in school, my whole, it was more than just my arm that went numb. Like my whole left side went numb and kind of mentioned it to the teacher that maybe I should go home and just kind of rest. And then they insisted that, well, because of what you're having. we can't let you go because then we would be liable if something were to happen. So they called the ambulance, called me off to Vermilion Hospital for a little while.

And that's where I was strapped up to a heart monitor for like four hours. And then they told me that I was having panic attacks and anxiety attacks. And here's some medication you're never going to pronounce. And that's, you know, the page long of instructions and side effects that I was telling you about in the car on the way for coffee. It just didn't really help. And then a couple years later, I was working at Rona. So did you start taking the medication? No.

I took it for like the first, sorry, first like two weeks. And I noticed that I was having some issues. So that's when I actually kind of sat. I was, you'd have me a piece of paper and tell me this, you're going to have to read this because this and that. I didn't read it. I skimmed it real fast. And I didn't actually take the time to acknowledge what I was reading. So when I started noticing there was a few issues that I did.

didn't like or didn't really understand. So I went back and I was like, maybe I should read this. And that's when I was like, this isn't worth it. So instantly the medication went to garbage and I just forgot about it. And then, you know, I was fine. Many strokes were rare. And then all of a sudden, one night, it was actually April 1st, 2 o'clock in the morning. I remember that vividly because I went up, got myself some water, went back to bed.

And then remember looking at the clock. And then I was kind of fooling around a little bit there with the missy that I had at the time. And it just felt a pinprick in my head and was like, oh, something doesn't feel right. It was like an itch. I just wanted to. And all of a sudden I started feeling a liquid pooling into my brain. It was like when you look at a picture of a brain and it's got all those little lines, I could actually feel fluid filling all of those in my brain.

It was the weirdest sensation I could imagine. Like it was starting to get a little dizzy. I was like, okay. I need to get some fresh air, get some water, whatever. So I got up, went out, walked in the hallway and just collapsed. I hit the floor, my head bounced off the floor pretty hard. I tried to lift myself up, my arm gave out, and I hit the floor again. And at the time, I was living with my parents, because, like I said, I was moving from a house back into an apartment,

but I had to wait for the apartment to get the A-OK, and then I could start moving the stuff in and whatnot. So I was at my parents. And when I hit the floor, the girl came out and she had no idea what was going on. Then my mother came upstairs like, what's going on here? And then I kind of looked at her. I managed to actually lean myself up against the wall in the hallway. And I lifted my arm and I said, I think I'm fucked. And that's the last thing I remember.

And after that, I'm told that my dad had thrown me over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes, throw me into the vehicle. And then they tried calling the ambulance, letting them know what is happening. they're like, oh, it's probably going to take about half an hour to an hour for the ambulance to get there to you. And it's like, well, he's already unresponsive. So they, luckily, they had the quick thinking to just take me themselves. They hauled me off to the hospital. And my mother ran in and, like, this is all just what I've been told and what I remember them telling me.

That they said that he's unresponsive, we need a stretcher and we need it now. So they come out with a wheelchair, kind of all willy-nilly. And then they see him in like, oh, He's unresponsive. We got to get a stretcher. So they ran back in with the freaking wheelchair. Came out a few minutes later with the stretcher. They got me inside.

And then the doctor looked at me. And he said, he asked my parents, like, is he on any drugs or alcohol or anything like that? And they're like, no, we're pretty sure he's not. They still did the blood test just to make sure. Because, you know, they knew that I was having a stroke. And if I was high or drunk or anything, they wouldn't have done anything because they do anything. All those blood thinners, I would have just bled out on the table kind of thing. when the blood work came back clean they looked at my parents were like well he's probably gone

already I want to sign his organs away and my parents just no you do what you need to do to save his life don't just no it's just not happening so then they started pumping me full of an I believe it was an experimental anti-inflammatory was just something that was just kind of being used but because I was pretty much dead already they figured well there's nothing to lose and the Starz helicopter was actually on its way to Lloyd Minster for another stroke patient. So they took me and this other guy to the helipad, loaded us both up and the nurse was kind of dealing with both patients but regrettably along the way the other guy didn't make it.

So when he passed away she was able to focus on me and then she started pumping me full of this anti-inflammatory or whatever like double what she was, giving me. me she was just focusing on keeping me alive until we got to Saskatoon by the time we got to Saskatoon was about 2.30 in the morning I believe 2.2.30 and the surgeon was already at the hospital waiting so they brought me in they basically immediately put me under the knife they took out a massive chunk of my skull. I actually got a picture on my phone like shrugulator just like my whole whole head was caved in. It was, it was an odd experience. But, uh, yeah, they, uh, removed the chunk of my skull to allow the blood or the brain to swell up and then reduce

the swelling, whatever after the stroke. Um, then I woke up in the hospital. I was, uh, I'm told I wasn't the most, um, behaved patient because the doctor was, apparently a, I must have been in and out of it because they were putting me on a buttload of morphine. Like the bags were like four inches by three inches. It could be a little rough off, but there were big bags of liquid morphine dripping into me just because of the pain or right after surgery and all that. So I was kind of coming in and out of consciousness, but I guess after the doctor was telling my parents that I had like a 1% chance of waking up,

and even if I did, I probably wasn't going to be the same person. they should just prepare themselves for the worst. I guess he had objects on the table beside me, and my left side being completely numb, I couldn't move. I was reaching over, grabbing it with my right, and just whipping things at the doctor. I was, and then I guess the more he kept telling my family that I'm probably not going to make it,

I just refused to cooperate with the doctor. He had to teach the nurses what they had to do and then send the nurses in, because I wouldn't do, I would not cooperate if he was in the room. you remember that or no no i was just told that my because my mother likes to laugh about it and well yeah i was a bit of an asshole i i know but uh yeah another thing about me is uh if somebody told me that i couldn't do something i was bet your ass that was going to do it just because just despite you kind of thing you don't tell me what i can and can't do and that was probably a bigger part of

my attitude problem growing up but uh yeah i wouldn't cooperate with the doctor and I had a feeding tube and a breathing tube in just because with my left side being numb, they weren't, they had no way of knowing if my organs and throat and all that muscles stuff would work properly so they didn't want me to choke on anything. And that I do remember coming in and out. It was the worst feeling ever having like this little one inch tube and a smaller tube around both going down my throat. I would rip them out as often.

as I could. Like they had the way that the floor plan lay out at the hospital was, I know they had to leave my room, go all the way down and then around to this room where they kept the MRI, the mobile MRI machine or whatever it was. And then they had to bring it all the way back to my room, just when they were putting the tubes back in just to make sure they were putting everything in properly. By the time the nurse got back from taking the MRI machine or whatever the little gadget was back, I had it ripped out again. At one point, I do remember this. They had to actually they used the nurses used towels and bedding to tie my arms and limbs to the bed and I was actually my mother had stopped me at the time she was at the hospital but I had my arm kind of up like

this and I was using my knee to push my elbow up to my face so I can rip it out again like I was not very cooperative but in my defense I was high on morphine I kind of hardly remember anything so if you talk to enough people who've been on morphine um you know I got fans family members who were like never again right yeah okay so you have a massive stroke yeah and it's literally a they take all-sized tumor that sprung a leak literally all it was okay well walk me through okay so that obviously nobody looked into this no if they would have done any brain scans they would have seen that there was a tumor growth in my brain and honestly if things would have

have played out any differently, I probably wouldn't be here right now. Well, I mean, in your story, you know, like from where I sit, I always see these little, I don't know, fingerprints on the story, whatever it is. You know, you have Star's helicopter flies in for somebody else. They don't make it you do. I mean, like right there. Yeah. If that ain't an act of God, I don't know what is, right? I question. There was a lot of things that didn't make any sense. Like that guy there, the Starz Helicopter was on the way for him already. Because if they would have had to call him or call the Stars Helicopter after he was taking to Saskatoon,

I wouldn't have made it because it would have been a few hours late. Things had to line up perfectly. We've all seen those movies where things just happen and they make it look beautiful. And you're like, but I mean, as... What are the chances? What are the chances? Extremely low. I don't know what the chances are.

but I mean, you know, and yeah, you see it. And the other thing is if I wouldn't have actually had my stroke, like after a few weeks, I think it was about a week and a half, maybe two weeks, the blood in my brain had finally reabsorbed into my body so that they could scan my brain and see what was up. They found the tumor and they immediately had me under anesthetics again, you know, a few days later they had me under and they cut me open and they removed the tumor. And then they put my skull piece back in and it's tabled me up. I think I counted 64 staples all the way behind my head.

It was intense. Yeah. Luckily, I was out for the whole thing because staples, they don't feel nice. And, yeah, when they sent the tumor away, I don't know, everybody knows Gordon Downey, I believe it was, the tragically hip singer or whatever. Yeah. Just the week before my results came back, he announced. that he was dealing with the same type of cancer for years. And that, uh, my specialist immediately got a hold of his specialist so they can

kind of figure out what kind of a treatment plan he's been working on what he's been doing and start me off from his because I was like half his age at the time. So they figured I could take whatever he was taking plus more. Yeah. But when the, uh, results came back. So, so the, oh, sorry, the results came back. The results came back. They basically called me and I didn't even know what it was, but they were just like, okay,

first off, before we say anything, we have to apologize. We are really sorry. If we would have known what it was, we would have touched it. We would have left it alone. I'm like, well, that, the tumor doesn't seem like a good thing to leave my body, but, you know, whatever. Okay. So I let them continue on. They're like, yeah, it's a nasty form of brain cancer.

It's a stage four glioblastoma, which is like one of the worst ones out there is. far as I'm concerned, or not concerned, but as far as I'm aware, like I, a lot of the other cancers, they generally lead to death, but you can deal with them, you can manage with them. But the way, where my brain, the where it was in my brain, if I wouldn't have had the stroke, there was no way they could get to it. After my stroke, it caused a lot of scar tissue in my brain, which allowed them to work their way in and remove it without causing any brain damage. They were able to scrape out about 95% of it, but any,

any more than that, they were pretty much convinced there would be brain damage because it was healthier tissue. So why did they apologize for taking it out? Because it was a glioblastoma. I was told that the minute they agitated or like do anything with it, expose it to air like they did when they went to remove it, it just spreads through the blood. You're cancer-stricken everywhere. I was told that they had no idea why it didn't.

But after that, I went on to treatment right away. They took me on, I believe, I'm not 100% sure. I got to, you know, reiterate this story with my parents there just to figure out. But I'm pretty sure they started me on 100% of what he was on, Gordon Downey was doing, and they upped at 25%. And it was like, I believe it was only six weeks, but it was the chemotherapy drug that I was on. I think it was like a pill or two pills that I had to take every day. and then I had to take like some, I don't know if it was also experimental, but it was like a super grab-all.

Like after taking the medication, my wheelchair made me motion sick. Like it was awful. What year is this? I was 2006. It was just April 1st is when I had, oh, 2016, sorry. 2016. So seven years ago, roughly, you have a major stroke, get flown to Saskatoon? Yeah, Saskatoon.

It was a Royal University Hospital. They saved your life. You have a horrendous time on morphine. Then they realize you have a giant tumor that they have to remove. So then they remove it. Then they realize it was the wrong tumor or they shouldn't have done it. But they have no idea reason why it didn't spread to the body. Yeah.

Now you're doing chemo because they're like, we have to get, otherwise you're dead. Yeah, it's going to start going back right away. So they put me under treatment right away. It was like a few days later after they had confirmed it. I even had to sign a little waiver absolving the hospital out of anything may or may not because, I mean, well, you think of cancer treatment. By definition, it's poison and radiation, which is not supposed to be in the body. It's going to have bad effects. But I looked into chemotherapy and whatnot.

What I did find, by definition, it's in even the radiation. The way that it's supposed to meet cancer, it's killing weak cells that could turn cancerous. but because of the radiation and the toxins that you're ingesting or whatever, it's actually damaging healthy cells, making them weak, which in my opinion, just, I don't know how, I'm not a doctor or how that works, but in my opinion, just from what I understand, it's like you were killing weak cells that could be cancerous, only to make weak cells that could become cancerous. So I didn't really see a point in that, but I...

You saw it as perpetuating the point. problem. Yeah, because it, you were like, I was disgustingly yellow. Like, it was like a greeny yellow tinge. My skin was gross. Like, I was napping. Like, I had to have a nap probably two or three times a day. Like, it was bad. Like, I had no energy. I had no motivation. I was miserable. But my daughter was there to see me every, I can't even remember how often, but she was there and it would just make everything better, you know. She would have been three years old. Yeah, okay.

Just, just big enough to start walking on her own, you know, dressing, learning to tire shoe kind of thing. But, uh, do they give you a, like, you can get through this or like, what, what was their prognosis of, like, time to live or? Well, they wouldn't even give me a time to live. Just from my understanding, that's how bad the cancer is. Like, most, I was told that, uh, a lot of the. times just about everybody who's ever had this cancer has died from it at one point.

They might survive, you know, a few years, but then it would come back and kill them right away. And my specialist at the time had told me that there was only one other patient that they had that was living with this type of cancer for six years. And then after I was released, I can't remember what had happened, but the lady had passed away. And so as far as I was aware, I was the only person that this specialist said known of as his patient, I guess, surviving this long without the cancer coming back and killing me. And so what do you?

Well, then the question begs to, the question, I guess, that probably everyone asked then, okay, did the chemo work, or have you been doing something different since then? Because we're seven years past 2016. Yeah, actually, funny thing is, like, when I finished my treatment, I was, like I said, I was in rough condition. Six weeks. Yeah. They basically told me you should probably.

live in a bubble. Like, you have no immune system and you get sick. It's... Sorry. It's probably going to end badly. And so, and I was, uh, just before I left the hospital, they, uh, did another final scan. Nothing had changed. So they were like, we, we can't give you any more treatment. There's, it's going to have negative effects on you more than it already has. Like, it's probably going to kill you because that was already, taking such an intense regiment already. So I asked him, you know, with nothing changing, how long do you think I have to live? Because, you know, I'm scared.

You know, I don't like the thought of dying. Who does? Sorry. But they basically told me when I left the hospital, the longer you keep living, the better your chances are to stay alive. Okay. Oh, okay. Thanks.

They just had no idea, right? as I was the one of the only people around that's lived. You're a walking dead man. Yeah, like my stroke, I had a 1% chance of waking up. And then after that, I had 5% chance of living the week or something. Like, I had really low chances just because that's how severe the stroke was. They call it a severe hemorrhagic stroke, which I don't, I'm not a doctor. I didn't really look into it, but it sounds pretty bad to me, you know.

And like they have no idea why I'm still. I don't know I got an inch in my throat but they have no idea why I didn't like I'm okay

I got coffee thank you though well doctor yeah but like I said they were expecting me to be totally different they honestly surprised that wasn't a vegetable

I was a miracle case to them like they had no explanation for anything Like, they were surprised when I woke up. They surprised when I was able to fight the doctor as much as I was. Like, I was very difficult. Like, my parents like to kind of laugh about it now. But, I mean, for somebody trying to do their job and having somebody that you're trying to help.

Have you ever talked to the doctor since? Not since, no, but I, I, when I went back to get my staples removed, I'm pretty sure I got the message because it was not nice. Like, the nurse, I would assume she was probably the one. that had to run back halfway across the hospital to grab that MRI x-ray machine over and over. You just think, whether it's, you know, whether it's teachers, folks, or nurses or doctors, right? Like, certainly the system they're under, I have a lot of, well, I mean, there's, I don't have to speak for people. There's a lot of people that have lots of problems with those systems. But when it comes to the individual people, there are some lovely human beings there that deal with, with shit situations that most of us would never want to deal with.

No. Pretty much. And I mean, like, I was a grown man. I was 26 at the time, and that was when I woke up, I was in diapers again. That's probably the most humiliating. Like, my whole left side was gone. I couldn't stand on my own right away. I had the old man walker.

They actually had to strap my arm to the walker so that my elbow was on the walker. So, you know, as long as my arm was straight, I'd have all my weight on my... Don't get me wrong. It's not like you're waving your left to arm about, but do you have feeling all through your left? Or is it? It's places. The best way that I can describe it, like when I go to the hot tub or whatever, I have sensations in certain spots, but it's like the best way to describe it as like a camel print. And there's some patches where I've got sensation, some patches that don't.

But I mean, like my whole left side has been like I can move it to a point, but I can't. You can't make a fist and open and close it. Sorry for the listener, right? Uh, you hold your, and the arm was kind of twisted a little bit. I like to say, I basically have two right, or well, right hands. I don't know what you want to call that, but it's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Okay. So what are you been doing for the last? They give you, like, you're walking dead man. You had one percent chance to wake up. You woke up. Great. Now we give you 5% chance after chemo.

Yeah. And, uh, you know, every day that you live, you grow a little stronger and maybe you can survive this thing. Yeah. Okay. That's, that's about as grim as it gets. So did something change? Are you just a walking miracle?

Well, they sent me home after they sent me. Actually, it was funny because the last MRI before they sent me home, they weren't sure, but they think that there was other spots growing when that's where they gave me the grim. We don't know how fast it's going to grow. We don't know if it's going to come back and kill you before your next MRI. But I was taking an MRI every month I was going back to Saskatoon Cancer Center, whatever, for the MRI and the chemotherapy. Or no, sorry, just back for the MRI, just to kind of check, follow up and see how things are growing.

After, I think it was about two months, or maybe it was a month, I had two other spots growing in my brain that were visibly you could tell that it was cloudy. So something was growing and eventually there was probably going to be another tumor. I had two spots right away. And then after that, I started like, this was around the same time. that my last MRI came in, there was two visibly spots growing, and then there was a smaller, cloudier spot that I would assume was a third spot growing. And that's again when they said, we don't know how much time you've got left. We don't even know this cancer. We don't know anything without actually testing it, but because of the locations, there's nothing they could do.

So I was basically sent home to be more comfortable and wait to die. That's the impression I got. So when I got home, I had a laptop and I was like, you know what? Fuck. I'm not, it's not going to happen. So I googled everything to do with anti-cancer. Like there was, I don't know how many hours I spent reading random articles, like so much nonsense that I went through. People like, oh, we try this, try dieting, try this. But I stumbled upon a lot of herbal remedies.

Like I threw all of this research that I've kind of just read through. In my opinion, basically cancer is, you know, the double, helix DNA, right? It's basically cancer is a damaged ladder rung of your double helix. Basically, that cell goes rogue and starts damaging other DNA strands creating. That's how it grows itself, right? It just continues to grow that way. Those cells are also called free radicals. And in my, a lot of my reading, there was anything antioxidant would basically detox free radicals. So to me, anything that had an antioxidant effect, it was anti-cancer in some form because it would protect the body from free radicals damaging other cells because that's, free radicals are linked to something simple as aging or, you know, kidney problems, stomach problems is free radicals attacking other cells causing them to weaken and cause a problem. So as far as I was aware, and just from my understanding, anything antioxidant was anti-cancer.

So I was drinking dandelion tea. I was making my own tea bags with peppermint, dandelion, and a herb called Roybos. I can't remember. I think it was somewhere high altitude bush. Anyway, it was phenomenal. And from what I read, it was actually, it had the capability of reversing damaged DNA. Like it was meant to protect and strengthen your DNA and reverse. damage to that. So from what I had assumed from what I was reading, it was basically

it could reverse cancer and turn those cells back into healthy DNA. So after about a month or two months after doing that, I was still going back getting my MRIs done. And the spots were getting bigger, bigger, more cloudier. And the third spot was actually vividly noticeable now. And at some point, my neighbor, I was talking to him, you know, smoking weed once in a while. And he had mentioned that garlic. He was using that to combat a abscess tooth that he had for years because he didn't want to go to the dentist to get it ripped out.

And he didn't want antibiotics or anything like that. So he was making a steeped garlic tea type of thing out of a few, two cups of water, whatever, he would simmer it down. And then he would make soups out of it, like tomato soup or chicken noodle soup, whatever. He would use that broth from the garlic. And then he would notice that his tooth wasn't hurting. It would go away and whenever he'd stop making the soups, the pain would come back shortly after.

So after he told me that, we kind of started looking into it on our phones or whatever while we were hanging out. And sure enough, the garlic had phenomenal anti-cancer benefits. Like there was even a video where somebody had a piece of garlic. And what the video had claimed was cancer tumor. And it literally, as soon as he put the garlic on the plate, he, chased what they said was a tumor around on the plate. It just moved like a little water amoeba or something. It just chased it around the plate.

You could probably still find it on YouTube. It was really strange. So that, you know, seeing dad was like, okay. So I went home and I... Now you have me curious. I might even be able to find it for you here real fast. You could keep you telling the story. Just as you're telling, I'm just going to see if I can find it.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, just garlic. chasing cancer on a plate or whatever. I can't remember what it was called, but it was, anyway, I went, uh, I went home and I basically went, I wouldn't recommend doing this because it was very, very potent,

but I was making my own tea bags at the time, but I would start making a, a broth from the garlic, but I was, I went overboard because it's like, well, I'm dying, I'm going balls to the wall. It's, you know, all or nothing. So I was using a bulb of garlic at the time.

I would mince it up. simmer it in the water, but you can't boil it because garlic, it would kill the medicinal benefits out of it. You would only have garlic flavoring. But I was simmering two cups of water with a bulb of garlic minced, and it was very potent. But I was doing that for, I think it was like two, two months and mixing the, using the Roybos and Dandelion tea bags that I was making at the time to kind of add to the tea and then I would sweeten it with honey which I'm pretty sure kind of burned my taste buds with garlic because the whole house like reeked of garlic for day. You can't imagine.

I went over to that plate. It's funny. I can't find it. I'm just going to say I can't find the video, but I'll trust at one point in time. It was sitting there regardless. I was just curious if you could actually see, you know, cells running away from garlic. I mean, certainly garlic is. you know it has a potent odor to it you know it's got when it's cooked it's it's you know

know I love adding garlic to lots of different dishes that a that a guy makes because it's it's lovely and you know it's funny the next time I have Malcolm Saunders on who is the the light cellar in Calgary he's a he's a guy that was talking to me all these different health products and different herbs and everything else I'm like I'm sure if I bring up garlic he'll he'll regale me with tails about what garlic can do. So you're making everything garlic because of this conversation with your neighbor and an abscess tooth. Okay, so everything's garlic. You're just putting garlic on every meal you have. Nope, I was just doing a very, very potent garlic tea every day. Like, I would wake up in the morning. My first thing, I would go to the fridge, pull out a bowl of

garlic, and I would have a mincer that I would use all the time and I would mince all my garlic and two cups of water and I would simmer it down with a cinnamon stick. until it was one cup. Like, it was very potent. Which, I mean, I can drink just about anything now. I make these tincters or whatever, and I put them in my coffee now. Like, it doesn't even bother me anymore. Oh, sorry.

It doesn't even bother me anymore. The flavor. A lot of people are like, oh, you put that in your coffee. Doesn't it taste gross? It's like, well, you kind of get used to it. For me, at the point, I was at the point. It was like, you do this or you're going to die. So I suffered through anything.

I just want to make sure I heard this. clear. So you mince down a thing, a bulb of garlic. A bulb of garlic. Like a full bulb. A full bulb. Okay, that is a lot of garlic. You put it into two cups of water and you simmer it down to one cup. Yeah. So I got a visual and then you drink the one cup every morning. That's your ritual. That's what I did. Yeah. Oh man. Can you imagine folks his sweat would that would come like actually it didn't sweat anything of it. You know the funny thing is about the garlic. You don't sweat it out unless you've got digestive issues. Interesting. The reason you sweat garlic is because your body doesn't digest it properly and it can't utilize

what you've got. So now it's like, what do I do with this? It sweats it out. But during the teas or whatnot, my breast smelled like garlic for a little while. I drink my coffee and it was gone. You would never notice. Interesting. Okay.

So you simmer it down. You got this one cup. You start doing this once a day. That's what you're doing. Yep. Once a day. Are you doing anything else? No.

Well, I was taking wheatgrass shots. It was like a family ritual. Once a day, we'd go out to do. boost juice, get smoothies, and then I would take a wheat grass shot, one or two wheat grass shots, because apparently it's got powerful antioxidants and it's been linked to possible. And it's like, you can't actually go out and say, hey, this is anti-cancer because, you know, somebody who's being paid the big bucks isn't doing the research on it with their stamp of approval on, but there has been smaller studies saying that wheat grass juice has powerful antioxidant benefits that may

prevent cancer. So I read that. Okay, well, now it's doing weak grass shot every day. And then we also stumbled on, I think it was my grandfather that found this information, but he was saying that he was the one that found

the wheatgrass juice. So it was my mother that found the, the beats also have anti-cancer properties. You know, I mean, that vegetable, is vegetable, right? Yep. He's got to be one of the ugliest vegetables in the world. And yet, you know, if you learn anything from the old timers, man, grandma used to make us eat beats every meal.

Every single meal can beets. Beats, beats, beats, beats, beats, beats, beats, beats. And then I was talking to a nutritionist, naturalist, nutritionist. Nutritionalist. I can't. Or one or the other. And they were talking about how, you know, beats are amazing. And actually, it was Dale Wilker. Shout out to Dale, who was on talking about Purple,

carrot juice, you know, and, and I'm like, it's the funny is the purple pigment that's actually got of the antioxidants and the, the anti-cancer properties is that purple pigment, which is why beets are so good for you. And purple carrots was another thing we found. Purple potatoes, actually, they're all, it's that pigment that actually has, it's the common denominator between all those plants. All right. Well, keep, keep me going here.

So you got, you know, you do all this stuff, you go back. everything's everything's getting bigger bigger bigger you come back it's the garlic you start doing garlic you're doing wheatgrass you're doing all these different things and we were juicing beets with the carrots and then I would on occasion I was throwing a clove of garlic in there as well but I was juicing them so that would just get rid of all the fiber and it would just be a cup of cup of beet juice carrots and an apple like it was it was like candy and it was really good for you like you'd look at anything like that yes you're missing on the fiber but you're

getting most of the nutrients out of the juice that's water soluble, that's what you want in your body. And the other thing about the other little science theory behind that is because of the juice, it doesn't actually have to be digested. Your body can take what it needs from the juice and whatever it doesn't utilize. You just piss out at the end of the day kind of thing. But yeah, I was doing beats. I've actually still got the juicer at home on the floor in the box there just because I haven't put it in stories.

But I've still got that same juicer. We would juice beets, carrots, and apple. And it was every day. Every day it was that we'd go and get a wheatgrass shot. I would start my morning with the garlic tea. We would juice some beets and carrots and then we'd go get a wheatgrass shot. And that was just the routine every day. Because you're literally knocking on death store and you assume you're going,

if I don't try something different, nothing changes. Yeah. Well, the hospital basically, the medical system, like I don't want to say that it's not going to work for anybody because, I mean, the extreme regimen of chemotherapy and radiation that I went to, it might have actually stunted the growth of the main area because there was still 5% of the tumor that they couldn't remove. Like on the MRIs, it was a couple centimeters thick line around the crater of my brain. And then the other two spots started growing.

And then the third spot started to grow on there. And they're like, well, there's really nothing we can do for you. We can't do any more treatment is, this is, you know, just better go home and enjoy yourself. So when I was doing the stuff that I was doing, like the Roybo's teas, the garlic, the juicing, all in the wheatgrass juice, one time that I went back to the hospital,

those three extra spots were gone, and the 5% shrank down to a few millimeters. And they were like, we don't know what happened. But, you know, then I was starting to ask them, I was like, well, this is what I've been doing. What do you think? This might have anything to do with it, and they wouldn't comment on it.

because, well, they don't know. Because it was all basically natural stuff that I was doing. And I guess that has... How long of a time frame are we talking from the one where you're like, all the spots are growing, everything's there, you can see it visibly, how long between starting the garlic and the juicing and the wheat grass to your next one? Like, are we talking months?

Are we talking to a year? Yeah, it was like a month to a month to a month. So in a month... It was like in a month that didn't show much, But after that, the next month, it was all gone. So within two months? Yep. Within two months.

The 5% shrank and those three extra spots just disappeared. Did you keep going in for, like, were you still? After that, how many more times do you go in to get x-rayed or brain standard? The MRI or whatever. Yes. I went in for probably a good year. I could be wrong. It could have been like six months, but it felt like a very long time.

So regardless, after it's gone in the mills, It shrunk down to a millimeter. You go again and then you go again and then you still go again. What happens the last time you go in? It was basically like they even openly admitted that this is, you know, this has never happened. You were a miracle case. We're just keeping tabs on you just to see what happens. It was basically observing me at this point, just waiting to see if it was going to come back or...

Right. Because, you know, I should be dead. And every time that I had the MRI, I would have. that I can't remember what the fluid was, but it was like some sort of a dye they had to inject into me. The minute it starts going into your bloodstream, you could taste like a metallic flavor on the back of your tongue. I passed out when they gave me that.

Oh, it was so gross. I like, I totally just like. Yeah, it makes you lightheaded because it's going through all your blood and it's a compound that shouldn't be in your blood. Yes, it dissolves or breaks down or whatnot. and it goes away right away but when it first initially goes in there you're just like kind of woozy and I even actually yeah yeah I got I got put in put in me and I I did yeah it's that was one of the strangest moments of my life where they're trying to pull me

back and I'm like anyways I they're like you got any problems in needles I'm like no and then they put it in I'm like oh something so and boom I was out yeah I had to bring my my wife was out in the waiting room and they had to come get her because I'm like out cold and just what happened you know funny story yeah no i was uh doing that every month for i don't remember how long with it it felt like forever it was i would go in there and then it just got to a point it was like i was sick for like a week a week and a half after this die while it's breaking down i just motion sickness i just felt like a bag of shit it just wasn't good so then i was called up my doctor the specialist i was like is there any reason to continue doing this like nothing's

changed in the last like three or four months, five months. And I'm just, you know, I'm letting know that I was feeling sick, like sick, sick for, for a while afterwards. It just life sucked. And I was doing that every month. So it was like two weeks. I was ruined because of getting X-rayed or whatever, MRI. It was all that die, whatever it was. Like, yes, it broke down, but it just, while it was doing that, I was gross.

And then at the time, I was actually dealing with morphine with. draws too which was fun so it was all compounded luckily that passed after you know the first three months of being out of the hospital but you know the sweating and the shakes it was not not fun which i kind of made it through because i was smoking a lot of weed at the time just because chronic pain no more morphine it was everything had to be numb so i was smoking a lot but me at the time i had a green garden i was getting the good stuff you know the medical grade you know you smoke it and you just fall back and sleep and drool on yourself kind of thing. So it was, it was all right.

I made it through pretty fast. But, yeah, no, after it all shrank, they kept doing scans for months afterwards. And then at one point, I was just like, do I have to do this again? Because it's. So was it, was it, was it, was it, or did it stay at a millimeter? The millimeter, I believe, is actually scar tissue. Like, I can't guarantee or promise or say anything. It's like, yes, it's gone.

but I believe that it's gone. Are you still taking the garlic? Or this is where the tinsers. Is it tinsers? Tintures, yeah. Tintures. Yeah. Like T-I-N-C-H-E-R-S.

Nope. Oh, tincture. T-I-N-C-T-U-R-E. Because making the tea every morning, it became tedious. I mean, it was a routine, but it would always take an hour in the morning. So you buy these or you make these? I make them. So you were making ginger?

Ginger. Tincture, tincture and garlic. So what do you do with you? You can actually see in there, I'll give that to you. There's actually a cloudy film in there. That's the garlic. I started with a quart of... That's what I'm smelling.

I'm like, I can... That's the Everclear and the garlic. Can I open this? Yeah, you can open it. Just be careful. It is very strong. Because the garlic, the way that I do it now, I started off with... Oh my God.

I started with 10 bulbs of garlic in a... quart of Everclear and you shake it up every day, twice a day, once in the morning, once in the evening. And then it goes for six weeks. And then after that six weeks, I would strain it. And then I would put another 10 bulbs of garlic in it. So what do you, what do you, uh, you're obviously selling these? Yes. This is your business now? Well, with the way the world is going now and, you know, the government saying, natural medicine is bad for you. You can't do that. Take these pharmaceutical toxins because that's studied and this and that but yeah no I do this actually I've got somebody up and I've been selling these for a while now as I've been what's one of these

worth I just 20 bucks I mean they they both take six no the ginger takes eight weeks to complete because I strain it out and then I put it in again for the same amount of time how long does one of them last like what do what am I do let's say let's say you go okay I want why well actually I don't know I got so many questions now because I'm like Obviously, you're surviving and they gave you zero time to live and you're going, this is what folks need to know. They are different because the ginger is good for a lot of things, but I find like just for my own personal use, ginger helps with digestive issues. Like if you're constipated or whatnot, it will help move things along.

It will get your digestion working properly. So most people I recommend like with the ginger, when you do the one, you know, squirt kind of thing, You get about a little under a quarter of the dropper. It's a one-mill dropper so you can get about, I think it works out to being 30 drops per dropper. So for the ginger, I say, you know, depending on what you're wanting, like for weight loss or whatnot, you can stimulate your digestion and just have it burn from what I've read in stomach fat. Just for my own brain, is that what you're talking about per day? Or are you talking about a full drop?

The garlic? The garlic? Okay. No, we're not going to switch. We're going to go ginger. I'll pull the ginger over. The ginger. I can open this.

Yeah. And as you can see before you open it, if you look at the bottom, that's the ginger that's pulled out. So you have to shake it very well before you open it because that whole film on the bottom is literally all of the ginger. And it's sediment on the bottom. This is interesting, folks. I'm having a little fun in the studio today. You know, I can see. It actually takes a lot of effort to get the ginger off of the bottom.

It does. Okay. Fair enough. All right. So you take this once a day. the ginger i reckon because they they both have different purposes the ginger it was for digestive issues because you know after everything i've noticed like it's probably my diet had something to do with it but you know constipation and and things just not working properly stomach problems

you know you're gassy you've got bloating you're just not feeling the ginger actually smells amazing and the one that one is only just ginger and vodka i'm going to switch that up to ever clear as well because so when I'm taking the ginger like that much or a full thing that's a good that's a good start depending on how what you want to do with it because obviously if you take double of that it's going to work faster but for regular maintenance I would say just that much is just that you just squirted in your mouth and that's it you could but everything that I've read is you'll put it in a cup of water and if you can't handle the potency you put it in a tall a cup of water which in the mornings if for weight loss like if you do any weight loss research you can the best thing do you mind if I can I

try this? Yeah, go over the head. I've never done, I've never tried anything on live air before, but I'm like, yeah, just a cup of water and just one little squirt. And that basically in, in the mornings, basically I read that if you're wanting to weight loss, you actually, it's better if you put the tincter in there first and then pour the water. Of course it is. Okay, okay, here we go. Okay, folks, you know, okay, so that much? Yep, that's good. All right, there we go. And it goes. But if you have a glass of water in the morning, If I spit across the table at them because it tastes awful, well, everybody's going to hear it firsthand. Okay, here we go.

All right. But this is ginger in a cup. I'm feeling adventurous today. I personally feel like it tastes like candy, but, you know, pretty strong. Yeah, but you also drank garlic down to a cup, a full, it's like, I don't know what your taste buds are anymore. Yeah, it doesn't taste bad at all. No. The garlic's a whole different story, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, because I use about at the end of the eight-week cycle for the ginger. I started off with just 1,000 grams in a half-gallon jar, and then the first batch was so weak. It was, you'd have to take double to get the same effect that I was looking for. So I upped it to 2,000 grams over eight weeks, and then that's where you get the small sediment to the bottom. I'm kind of feeling like the next time that I do some of this,

I'm going to put it on for 12 just to see what the difference is because... Have you ever talked with, like, folks, I don't know, is it a natural path or, like, somebody who, like, has done a ton of reading, like, obviously you've done a ton of writing, like, you've experimented on your own body for Pete's sake. It's like, have you ever just went and, like, talked to some people and got to the bottom of, like, why it needs to be so much on this time or anything like that? Or this is all like... I'm winging it. I still, like I've asked a lot of people, the natural past, they don't deal with stuff like this. They'll just basically your diet. That's, that they can basically tell you how to be healthier.

Oh, you've got constipated. How about homeopathic? Yeah, I never, I don't think I've actually talked to anybody in that regard. It's all just been Google and YouTube for me. Interesting. Doing a whole bunch of research. And then I would make this stuff. And then like for the garlic when I was seeing my neighbor doing the ginger or the garlic tea or whatever.

when he first started doing his soups or whatnot, he was using a clover two, and it was, wasn't overpowering to him. He was able to do it, and I kind of watched him make it, and I was like, well, this isn't bad. I had some soup. This is bad. I love garlic. It tastes great.

So I don't know what possessed me to do a whole bulb, but, you know, I'm going to die. I just want it to work. Well, I know what possessed you. It's pretty simple. It's like, if this works, let's jack it up. Yeah. And let's get it working. And it shows, like, I always bring up, I've been bringing up Dale Wilker off and on here for a bit.

So Dale's the architect out of Invermere, who got talking to me. He's like, I know you love your rat studies because the rat study thing is really interesting. He was talking about purple carrot juice and how just by adding in purple carrot juice to the rat's poor diet, almost everything cleared up. Is the antioxidants from the purple pigment. And you're like, I don't need to listen to. That's fascinating. How do I get purple carrot juice? Because if that's the case, you should see things immediately.

And by immediately, I mean, you're talking two months and it's gone. I don't mean like I drank it and all of a sudden I'm like a new man and I walk out the door. Jacked on steroids or something. Yeah, it's not like that. But at the same time, if you do something and over the course of weeks, you notice a huge change. That's the biggest thing about the tinctures. Like the tinctures sometimes I would give it to people. and then because the garlic, it would be too potent for them.

Because, like I said, I was starting, I was doing 20 bulbs of garlic and a single quartziler of Everclear. Like, it was potent. But some people, they would do it a little bit and they'd notice something and then they'd quit right away. And the funny thing is that I would have patient, I don't know if you call them patients or customers or just acquaintances or whatever you want to call them. I was giving that to them.

And then they would tell me, you know, I was feeling pretty good, you know, energetic, I was sleeping better, I had more energy, and then I would just stop just to see what would happen, and they would just crash. It was not a terrible crash, but they started feeling laggy. Like they just didn't feel the same. They didn't really feel as motivated in the day, and then they're like, oh, weird. So they'd start doing the garlic again, and it was detoxing whatever was lagging them down, you know, because garlic actually, I found it binds to stuff that's not supposed to be in your system.

I even read that it can dissolve kidney stones to a point because it binds to the metals and the calcium deposits in your system and it puts it in. So are you putting, I keep popping in, you just got me curious now as all things. So are you taking a squirt of each, just toss up in a cup of water and you just hammer it back? Or are you taking multiple cups of water to each

and timing them out and different things like that? Well, for my own, I've actually, the ginger, I've had a lot of fun testing out with it. I was like, well, let's just see what it happens. So I would take a full dropper in the morning. And then after I would eat, I would either do this before I eat or after I eat, but I would wait about half an hour before each. Just, you know, let your stomach have a little bit of time to settle after eating.

And I would take a full dropper just to kind of say what would happen. Then it was actually kind of funny. If you sit there and just kind of zone out and pay attention to what's going on in your stomach, you can actually feel when your stomach starts reacting and start digesting and whatnot. It's kind of funny, a little interesting sensations. But then I was taking about three full drops a day. And then it was like, well, everything's moving. fine but now it's starting to get a little sloppier and you're like your borderline diarrhea

probably time to get back so when I give that to people I'm like well depending on whatever you going to do like you have to go on how you feel I can't tell you this is how it's going to work for you but I'll tell you what happened to me and you base your own dosages off of that like the same thing with the garlic like I tell anybody like I've had a number of people dealing with cancer I've sent two tincters down to a lady in Kansas for her father in Russia, actually, believe it or not. And there was another one that I actually sent down to, where was it? I can't remember. It was another place down in the States anyway.

But a lady had contacted me over Facebook through a cancer page that I had made a post on. Oh, okay. And she had let me know that her 13-year-old son had a tumor in his brain. And she was asking me if there's anything that I could do to help. help. You know, information-wise, she sent me an MRI scan. The poor kid had one just about as big as mine, but it was in two side-by-side. There was a space between them. So there's nothing they can do for him where it's located. And that was another thing in the hospital. So you gave, wait, so you gave him the garlic. Did it help? I am still keeping tabs on that. Like this was just last month that I had

sent him down. She had received it last month, and he's been on it for a few weeks now. The last time that I checked in, he's actually a lot more energetic. He's moving around a little. better. And like he, like where it's, the tumor is, his whole left side like mine is kind of fucked so he can't do much on his own. But he has a lot more energetic now and he's moving around a lot more. He's, he's doing better. He's showing some, some short results here. I'm actually thinking about it now. I should probably check in just to see how he is. But he is noticeably having better effects. And that was another thing in the cancer hospital. I've seen kids that were I kind of make me wonder.

Like, why was I so lucky when this kid hasn't even had a chance to live? Like, I'm 26. I've made so many stupid mistakes done so many drugs, wasted so much money and just, like, why was I given so much luck? You know, I'm a miracle case, and this kid hasn't even had a chance to live yet, and he's got this freaking tumor sticking out of his neck. Like, it was, it tugged on the heartstrings, which kind of made me more motivated to kind of just get this stuff out there.

Yes, I charge $20 for each bottle, but they lost. you get three months if you're on the the appropriate torso like they last a while like some people take five drops twice a day and I don't see them for almost like six months and then there's some people where they're like well I'm feeling a bit of a tickle in my throat I'm going to take a whole dropper and then I see them you know every three months or so if it works I don't think anybody's going to argue with you on money you know well yeah and the funny thing is another thing about the garlic tincter had a friend of mine her father I believe he had, I can't, it was some sort of arthritis, but his hands were swollen up.

Like when I first seen his hands, this was after he was taking the garlic for a little while, but his hands were still like balloons. I don't want to be rude or nothing, but it was a strange side. I've never seen anything like that before. It was like, you take a pin and his hands would just kind of pop. But she told me she got him, one of my tincters that I had given to her to try. she gave it to him and within you know a week his pain was starting to go down he started getting like he had no appetite he just didn't didn't have any motivation to do anything i can say

this and this will sound strange but i can already feel it in my stomach like my my my stomach is already like um i don't know what's the word like uh rumbling basically turning your stomach on and the ginger actually helps uh which is a strange thing to say on live or you know like on the podcast. It's like, it's not like I have to go to use the bathroom, but I'm like, but I can feel it. It's like, this is strange, you know, everybody has, it sounds strange, but you know, you go, dad always used to joke when he was driving truck. He go eat at his everybody, the truckers know where the good restaurants are and the bad ones, because if you go to the bad one, you know, you're racing to get to a bathroom because it goes through you so fast. So if we know

bad food can go through you that fast, what can good stuff do to your system like immediately, you know and you hear these different stories um it's interesting i i didn't realize you know it's funny like people get you know i have Malcolm saunders on and i had Dale wilker on and they get talking about some of this and i'm like oh this is an interesting rabbit hole now you hear sitting here with tinctures tincture right and i'm like well this is this is a whole like this this is the realm right it's like okay well i mean you sitting there and and talking about this i'm like this is this is fascinating like I find this fascinating because honey for me has been so eye-opening on honey is fantastic it's also got anti-cancer properties oh it's actually linked to

anti-aging as well because the antioxidants in honey natural honey on pasteurized honey it's got antiviral benefits which is why it's great for cold and flues because it coats the throat and while it's coating your throat it's dealing with the infection like honey is that was another thing that was always taking like a tablespoon or two in my tea it wasn't even just to sweeten it up it was just because I read that it had some benefits that may prevent cancer I was like that's got to happen so what do you do now then this is what you do yeah I'm I'm on disability with my left side I can't really do too much like two-handedly I can kind of hold stuff but the left side it's it's useless well not useless but you're yeah

maybe I don't know I'm stealing I don't know if I'm giving you words or take but you're you're you can't much with your left side I guess yeah it's it makes things a little difficult I tried like after being out of the hospital for a while I tried helping a buddy like the neighbor whatever started business and it kind of just didn't pan out but while I was in that helping him out with well trying to help them out with that I we basically started doing microgreen growing because you look at microgreens people are making like five thousand dollars a month or whatever I don't I got I'm gonna be a micro green what are you talking about it's a

Like, for me personally, it's a 10-day old plant. You use it for salads. They, they, you go to a restaurant and they put like a little, little sprout on your, on your steak, whatever. Sure. That's a micrureen. It's a garnish. It's a salad addition. It's the, the idea behind microgreens and this is why it was like a two sides of the same coin.

The reason why I started doing it is because the microgreens are about 40 to 60 times more nutritious than their fully grown counterparts. Say that one more time. Like for me, I grow radish and broccoli and alfalfa. Those three there, I grow that. Well, arugula was also in there too because there's, I'll get into that later. But the microgreens are up to 60 times more nutritious than their fully grown counterparts. And the theory behind that is because the seed, it's got so much condensed nutrients or whatnot to start that. It's a seed for life, right?

It's got so much nutrients and energy in that seed that it can help that plant grow for up to 10, 10 days before it switches to, it uses all that up and then it switches to the roots. And then that's when it starts growing a little more. So if you cut the plant down before it gets that, they call it the true leaf stage because when the seed starts to plant, it's got two leaves. But once it draws out that second shoot of second leaves or whatever, that's the true leaf stage. That's basically your sign that all of that nutrition in the seed is now used up. So now it's using the leaf or using the roots to take up nutrients from the soil. But if you cut it down before then, you have any, like it's hard to say how much nutrition you still have because it really depends on how early that you cut it down.

This is why sprouts are probably the better version, but the sprouts have more risk of contaminants, like mold and stuff. How can people find you? Like where do they go to, you know, if somebody's got cancer out there and they're like, I'm really interested in this, right? Instead of them texting me and I don't know if I'll get five texts or 100. So where can they find Chris? I have a, I attempted, well, I started a business called Microbites. I've got business cards here.

I didn't pull one out for you. No, that's all right. So do they call? Is their website or is your Facebook? I've got a Facebook page that they can find on there. Micro bites. Like B-I-T-E-S. Correct? Microbites. Okay. And yeah, I post my micro-greens. Normally when I first started, I was a little bit more active, but I was easily discouraged just because I was doing all this work and it was not really getting any feedback. So I was just focusing on the grow. Every once in a while, I'd take a picture for, you know, farmers markets and whatnot. But now I am focusing on the farmer's markets, as I have been for a while. But Lloyd Minister, it's not so like, I don't know. I don't want to say that nobody wants to be healthy around here or whatnot.

I think it's just me having a problem with like crowds and whatnot. I don't speak to people very well. I get nervous. I get social anxiety. I think you've been doing a bang-up job today. Yeah. See, one-on-one like this, this is fine. This is a close setting.

We've got the room, whatnot. But if I was to go and meet you on the street and I wasn't. Sure. You know, I am to help you out with Lloyd, I just don't think Lloyd is, and don't get me wrong, maybe I'm wrong in this. There's just lots of money here. So people are, and it's a busy town. So people are just on the go.

I would have never thought of lots of these things. But things have been. The ability to confidently reach out to people. And like I've met people that I had selling microgreens off and on for me. They could just walk up to somebody on the stream, like, hey, did you know about this? Then I can start up a conversation and they could land a sale right there. And then I was like, yeah, I could, I can never. do that but on my own it's like I can make posts on Facebook I've actually had a few

posts removed from Facebook because I haven't we haven't we all haven't we all folks that's funny because the one time that I went to the farmers market here on that communeplex here south of town I posted my table my sign everything else I had my greens on the table and I was like yeah come down to the farmers market there's lots of vendors here blah blah you know all that spiel Facebook notified me that I was not allowed to sell drugs on Facebook and they flagged my post well i mean we had Sean Buckley on here not that long ago talking about the war on on natural supplements right or natural products and uh certainly when you're talking about garlic and ginger you know like

we're living in the upside down you know like i keep saying that because like on and on this little story goes and on the the beat goes right and and once again to have people to find you. You know, like, I don't know if, you know, maybe people are interested in this. Maybe they're not. I have no idea. I mean, I'm kind of interested.

I'm like, man, interesting. Like, I look at, I look at, I look through the last for sure three years and go, I've missed a lot. Okay. And I go, and what else have I missed? And when it comes to diet and eating and things like that, I go, certainly I'm missing lots. So when you walk in here and do this, I go, I don't know, will it work?

Do you mind if we put this on pause? I'm drank a lot of coffee. I've been in my corner to the bathroom. Well, actually, why don't we just wrap it up and say, I guess I was just going to say, you know, we've been going for two hours. Oh, shit. Really appreciate you coming in and doing this. And if anybody wants to find me, it's Microbites, M-I-C-R-B-I-T-E-S on Facebook.

It's a blue logo. and it's got a whole bunch of microgreen information. It's got, and if anybody else has any questions, I'm always happy to, like I've got. And I mean it the best way they can always text me and I can get in touch with Chris too. Just if there's an easy way to skip me and go right to you, I think that'd be really cool.

Either way, I appreciate you coming and doing this. You know, now I'm going to bug you afterwards about picking up a thing of ginger and trying it out. Because, I mean, like, why not? Like for a month, it's like, you know, If it can improve some of the things I got going on my guts-wise, not to let the listen in too deep. You know, it's like, why not try it and have a little bit of fun with the body?

Yeah. And another thing I will mention, because we didn't really touch on it too much with the garlic. The garlic, I recommend starting with five to five drops three times a day. And then it's basically, after that, you just watch how your body is reacting to it. Like some people get gassy with garlic and they're like, well, they don't want to take that. Well, then just find a better application. because if it's the fact that it's raw garlic, I know a lot of elderly put it in soups and whatnot.

And I use Everclear because it's a high concentrated alcohol. So when you heat it, it evaporates. And the trick behind the garlic, I wish I would have gotten into this before rushing to the end. But the garlic, I've seen a video that the Allison is actually a, it's the sulfur compound that gives garlic its taste and flavor and all that. But it's actually, I've seen a video that has been since removed from the internet. It's literally a block of six or 12 other smaller plant compounds glued together,

which gives it its antiviral, anti-cancer, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. But they dilute each other from my understanding. So when you heat it up with a simmering temperature, you can't boil it, otherwise it just dissolves it all and you've only got garlic flavor. But if you heat it up slowly and simmer it, it actually releases the glue, and all those compounds separate so that when you're drinking it, it absorbs into your body directly. There's no digestion, there's no wait time.

It's in your blood right now going to work. Which is why within three days on average, that's when you start noticing everything like the guy with the osteoarthritis, wherever his hands were swollen. His hands started reducing and swelling. The pain disappeared. Like he's been coming back to me religiously every few months for more. and he's actually had a lot of his friends have bought it,

not that he's up and moving around, they're like, oh, they're surprised that he looks way better than he was before. Like he's just overall feeling better. What are you doing differently? I'm taking garlic. And he's keeping the tincture in his pocket. I was like, yeah, yeah, you got to try this. It's freaking amazing.

It does this, that. And then the same thing. It's like, well, don't, don't you worry about reeking like garlic? No, because you don't have to digest it. Your body isn't trying to sweat what it can't use out. It's just being direct. directly absorbed by the blood and going to work. And anything that you aren't going to use, you just piss it out.

And you will notice that your piss is going to smell weird, potent, or whatever. It depends on how much shit you've got in your system because the garlic is binding to stuff that's not supposed to be in a human body and removing it. It's a detox, essentially. This has been really interesting. I appreciate you coming and doing this. And I appreciate the listener all over again, finding the interesting. people with stories to tell because I'd never heard of you. Certainly we'd never met before,

I don't think, you know, and so I appreciate you coming in and doing this and telling us, you know, about your story and these and, you know, I don't know where the future goes. You know, you go like, could you talk for five hours on this? Well, probably. Probably, but for me, now I'm kind of, you know, like so many things. I'm like, oh, now I've just got to go play around and then have a little bit of fun and add a little bit more to the knowledge base. I've now since, when I had Malcolm Saunders on. What was it, folks? Fire tea?

Fire, uh, fire, uh, fire cider. Fire cider. I finally, you know, thank you to the listeners for hooking us up with that, right? And I'm like, well, that was something. Taking a shot of that. I was like, I didn't know what it was going to be. And so, the story just keeps evolving. And I look forward to, uh, yeah, seeing some of these different, you know,

because like, I always point back to honey. Honey, I noticed immediately for my sleep. It was like, holy dinah, right? It's got sedative properties too, which helps. This is super cool. And when I talk to old timers, they look at me like I'm stupid. Like, yeah, dummy. Yeah, honey.

And it's like, well, what else don't I know? So thank you for coming in and doing this and sitting with me for a couple hours. And, well, nice to meet you. And now an audience is going to know all about you. And hopefully they find you. And hopefully somebody that needs some help is finding different answers. But either way, thanks for coming in and doing this. No, no problem.

Thank you for having me. This is a fun experience first time, you know? we'll take that won't we folks