Shaun Newman Podcast - #518 - Shae Invidiata

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

Impact Entrepreneur, TEDx Speaker, Award-Winning Human Rights Activist, Philanthropist,Speaker, and Wellness Advocate. She founded Free-Them in 2010 which focuses on the fight against human trafficking and is an industry leader in real estate.  Let me know what you think Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastPatreon: www.patreon.com/ShaunNewmanPodcast

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Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Shea Amvdiaata. I hope I said that right. Did I get that right? Perfect. You have like a great last name. Can I say that?

Like invidiaata. Thank you. That just like rolls. Like where is that from? It is Sicilian, so Italy. Cool. And do you have, do you get? get back to Italy often or that's a long, long past time ago?

You know, the last time I was in Italy was probably about seven years ago, which is a crying shame. It's been way too long. But I used to go at least once a year when I was younger and I went to high school for a summer program actually in Italy as well. So I lived there for a little bit. You went back to Italy in high school. Yeah, I did art. I lived in La Cuyla, which is like the Abruzzo region. on the east side and then part of the program we lived in Florence for a little bit too so yeah doing art there do you do you speak it then as well do you speak Italian or not so much very broken ablo mass Spanuel and so I speak more Spanish than I do Italian but when I'm there

like my first inclination is to speak Spanish because there's a lot of similarities and then people ask, well, why? Why did you start speaking Spanish? So I'll just answer that. I worked in orphanages in Venezuela when I was in high school growing up. And I couldn't communicate with the kids. And I really wanted to learn Spanish so I could communicate with them. So I took it in high school.

And then I took it all the way through university. And then, you know, going to Mexico and places vacationing. So I just kind of kept up with it. And as you know, now I live in Costa Rica. You got to explain this to me a little bit though because I don't, you know, for the listener, you know, the way me and Shea get hooked up is we're on a call. We get invited in by, I get invited in by Kailer Betts and, you know, there's this group of people. I'm looking around the room going, I know that person. I've interviewed that person. I have no idea who this is. And then she's, hey, you want to, yeah, I'm game.

Like, okay, so I have no idea who this lady is. Other than what I've, you know, you know, Googled and and other things and heard from different people and everything else. You got to tell you, so in high school you're working in orphanages. Man, I can't even say the word in Venezuela. Yes. How does that come to back? I'm just, I feel like I'm such a schmuck on this side. I live on, you know, I'm a rural kid, grew up on the farm.

You know, like we have, you're going back to Italy every year. You're all over the place. You're doing high school. I'm going, what did I do? And I had a great childhood. I don't mean to put it that way. I'm just going, who goes to Venezuela to work in orphanages? What were your parents?

Were they saints? Well, you know, they're really, I'm blessed. I have very, very good parents. Traveling was always my first plane, I was two weeks old. And my mom's from Winnipeg originally. Both my parents met in Toronto, just outside of Toronto. And the natural thing would be to go to Winnipeg, where my mom's from.

And instead, my parents took me to Jamaica, two weeks old. At three weeks old, we went to Winnipeg and saw the family. And so from a very young age, traveling was like a part of our norm. And we used to go down many times in the year, Jamaica, Barbados, wherever we were going. And my parents, we were, I was very blessed growing up. It's also such a different perspective, like as a kid, because you have no concept as to, if you have money, if you don't have money, I just know we never like went without, you know, always had food, always had, you know, a nice house, whatever.

And my parents always from a young age instilled in me that basically we're blessed to be a blessing and we have and therefore we should give. And so when we would go down to places like Jamaica, we would bring like our clothes that we don't wear anymore like from me and my brother and we bring it down. always kind of donating, helping. And so I just, it just became a part of me. And so when I was in high school with my youth group, there was an opportunity to go down to Venezuela,

to go work in an orphanage, to help build it, fix it up, be with the children, bring down things that they need, like basic stuff, toothpaste, toothbrushes, toothpaste, clothing, that sort of thing. And so I fundraised when I was in high school to go down for this trip. And so I basically funded my way down there. And I fell in love.

You know, you think me coming from first world living, going down to third world living, that here I'm going to give them so much, right? Like we're going to go down and do good. And yes, that happens. But there is this incredible exchange that takes place. where you see people who really understand what contentment is and what happiness is. And with very little or nothing have so much joy. And that always struck me so much when I was down there.

And because they had so much love for like me coming down, they wanted to give you gifts to take back home to Toronto. I'm like, you have literally nothing. and you have a few precious items, and you want to give that to me. And so you go down thinking you're going to transform and help them. Meanwhile, they were the ones that really helped me. And I came back and just this exchange, I was like, I don't want to say, like, I was in love with this idea, but it really struck my heart.

And I just, I wanted to go back and I formed these relationships with the kids. and going back and seeing them year after year and growing up. And that kind of catapulted me actually into this whole idea that we could make money with a purpose. And we don't actually have to wait until we're retired to start making a difference in the world. Because that's the old paradigm, right? Like you go to school, you get in debt, you get your job, you get married, or you don't, but you find a partner. you have kids, you climb that ladder, whichever one it is you're doing, whether you're an entrepreneur or climbing corporate ladder.

And once you're more in retirement and you have, quote unquote, more time, you can start doing, quote unquote, the things you enjoy to do. And that's oftentimes when people start giving back in life. And I was like, it seems like a really long time. And I feel like I'm making a difference right now. They're making a difference in my life. Can we not just merge the two? And so that set me off on a whole other life path, which we can talk about to you if you want to go there.

But that's kind of how it happened. In my parents, I think, okay, so to just put it into perspective, I don't know, Sean, if you remember 2002, there was the civil riots breaking out in Venezuela. And this is where Venezuelans were literally fleeing. those who could get out were trying to get out. A lot of them actually immigrated to Toronto under kind of like refugee status, you know, the fleeing from their country. And they were saying that they were going to be arresting

anybody who is a foreigner still in the country, that they were going to arrest them as a spy. And I was going back into Venezuela at that time. And I remember going, my parents, my parents are actually kind of crazy. to let me being, I was 17, 18 years old, going down there and doing that. But my parents just had so much, like, I guess, like trust and faith in, like the mission and vision that I had for the work I was doing down there, that call it a God thing, that

I was just like protected. I was going down there to do this work. And, you know, so my parents just always supported it. So in the middle of 2002, everybody's fleeing and you run into the burning building, so to speak. Kind of, yeah. And what did you see once you're in the country? Was it, you know, where there people, like, running every which way?

Was it, was it, or was it what it would have built up to be on media? Yeah, you know, it's never quite how the media builds it up, right? Like, obviously within Venezuela, it is a poor country. There's a lot of poverty. So when I went through the airport, like we got picked up by our driver. we left Caracas. I didn't feel threatened. I didn't feel worried at all.

And where we were is in Sin Sebastian, which is about two and a half hours south of the main city. And for me, there was no issues. I didn't, no, I did not see anything. Also, timely would have it given what's happening right now between Israel and Palestine in the world. But I was in Israel in 2000. and seven and about a month prior they just had bombs going off and the media was like don't go to

Israel like completely unsafe I went to Israel I mean I didn't ever once feel threatened at all like no issues are you traveling sorry are you traveling um you know you're a uh a young woman at this point are you traveling by yourself at the the entire time or are you with people so So Venezuela, there was a, in that year, I brought two other people with me. So there's three of us down there total. When I was in Israel, I was, yes, I was in a group. I had 10 people. There was about 10 of us.

Do you, you know, like, well, admire the gumption to, like, get out of your comfort zone and, like, go explore the world, right? Like, I think that's really, I think a lot of people could learn a ton if they just went to the other side of Canada, let alone to a different country. Right? Like just go see what the other side of Canada is. Stop listening to what we're told by politicians or by the media or etc. If you go see the other side of Canada, let alone, you know, Europe or further and further, you might be amazed at what you find down there, like, or across there. But one of the things I've always, you know, sitting on this side, you know, I've never, I've never worried about where I, even as a young guy traveling alone, you know, I'm playing hockey all over the place, I, I never really worried about. traveling by myself you know a couple times maybe where you're like I have put myself in kind of a precarious position but yourself is a young woman you know when when other young women are asking you you know like I'm told it's really dangerous out there is that your perception of it or you're like you know you got to be smart but I mean overall no the world isn't what they make it out to

be because like you you you've literally funded a try an anti-trafficking group or not funded, like co-founded, not funded, not funded, founded. So like you've seen what the world can be. I don't know, that's a large question probably. Well, and I mean, there's a few different answers. And to your point, and maybe just to give some context, yes, like around, like, so free them, which is my anti-human trafficking organization in Canada, we'll turn 14 in January of next year in 2024. We support projects outside of Canada in India and also in the Philippines.

And so I have, yes, I have been and I have seen some of the worst places on the planet and seeing some of the most unfathomable things being done to children and other human beings. When you're traveling anywhere, it does not matter if you're in Israel, at the time when I was in 07 in 2000. 2007, going to places like, you know, the slums in in the Philippines or in Calcutta, the Red Light District in India, or walking down the street in Toronto. Like, you have to always be aware of your surroundings. I really choose to not live in fear. I believe that that's extremely important. And at the same time, I always like to say the phrase, like, not testing God either.

right like you know I always believe like when it's your time it's your time and you can't really cheat death but if I go stand on a bridge right now and jump off 100 feet to me that's testing God like was that my time it's like well no you were an idiot and that's kind of like you're being taught a lesson you know it's kind of like one of those situations so it's like I don't intentionally go and put myself in dangerous situations to go okay let's just see if it's my time. That being said, I know in certain situations, especially like Venezuela, for example, when I, when I've been gone to India with my organization or in the Philippines, I know I'm fully called into that. And I really believe that when you know that that's your

purpose and your calling, you stand firm and confident in everything you're doing and you have to trust that in that moment, if it is my time, then so be it. And at least I'm answering the call in my life to be doing the work that I'm doing and to not be afraid of that. But you always need to be aware of like your surroundings, you know, and being also culturally aware of certain sensitivities. There are certain cultures where women can show their midriff, like their their tummies. And that's not a problem. But showing your ankles is more sexual and can be promiscuous than like bang your stomach. And for us, you know, I see your face like Sean's smiling right now because it's kind of funny because that's not our culture, you know.

And so even well, when was the last time somebody went, ooh, look at those ankles, baby. I know. Like it is, it is funny like for us, you know, because that's just not how we were brought up and it's not our culture. So I think whenever you're traveling somewhere, I always try to be very respectful and mindful of the country that I'm in. and if I need to cover my hair, you know, because in some cultures that that is a thing. And so having a head covering on, then I do that, especially being blonde now. That also can have different attentions and all kinds of stuff. So it's just being respectful and not flashy about where you are.

If you can, don't travel alone. You know, obviously, always being with somebody is better. but I've traveled solo so much in the world that it really, for me, I'm comfortable with it. You know, but it's not. One of the cool things about traveling solo or even in a small group is, especially when there's a language barrier. You know, like, man, what an uncomfortable thing when you can't just listen. But you have to be very, like, cognizant. You have to, like, really pay attention what people are doing so you can kind of pick up on what's going on.

Okay, that's how it goes. And then you can, like, step, you know, even more. walking into New York City. I've only been there once. And what a weird world that is, you know, coming from like the, you know, the prairies where you can just, you know, they say you can watch your dog run away for a couple days. That's not exactly true. Actually, I know it's not exactly true, but, you know, it's flat. You can just see it's got the big sky, everything. And you get in New York City and it's like, it's a different world. It's just like, there's just so much structure and you can't see anything. And even the norms of people, there's just so many people

and it's different. It takes, it doesn't take that long because obviously they're all speaking for the most part English. But after a day, you've kind of picked up on like how their world operates and then you come somewhere like, you know, Northern Canada. We just have a completely different culture.

That's a fun part of traveling. It's actually being, you have to be perceptive of what's going on around you. Yeah. You know, one of my absolute favorite quotes, believe it's Einstein that says it, that those who don't travel, it's like only reading one page of the book. And it's very true.

And I, you know, we started this conversation, my first plane, two weeks old, traveled a lot. I studied art my entire life, like a fine art, any type of art. I studied art my whole life. And I'll tell you, it wasn't until I went to Italy for that summer program to, to study art where actually at this point I'd already even been

to the Vatican probably three or four times in my life but now studying art in Italy and that was part of my assignment seeing Michelangelo

and all of the sculpture everything just came to life in a different way and because I was there to learn it was like and you're like living there as well so it's the language it's the politics

it's the culture you learn so much by traveling. And so, you know, to your point, and that's just what made me think of that quote. It's like if you are not traveling or if you haven't traveled, it really does feel like you've only read one page of this book, this book of life. It was Augustine who said it. That's what Google's telling me. The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page and that's a pretty good quote i i'd never i gotta be honest i'd never heard that one before i just know that you know when you when you step out you know you think like froto baggins man a lord of the

lord of the rings here um or i guess the hobbit like you know like you just you step out your front door you just don't know what's out there and the further away you get from home you have to really rely on who you are and it really challenges who you are and yet nobody knows who you are so you can be whoever you want to be there's so many beautiful things about it And, you know, and then you get to, I always, you know, like living on the West, because you're sitting in Toronto today, correct? Correct. So I sit in Western Canada.

We hate the East, you know? And yet I tell this story lots, but when we biked Canada, we started in St. John's, Newfoundland. And the nicest people were in, like, one was in the East Coast, so like close to Halifax, somewhere in that range, somewhere over in Nova Scotia. And the next nicest man across the entire place of Canada was Ottawa. He was like a superb human being. And yet we're supposed to hate everybody.

And I'm like, yeah, but I mean like, but they're just human beings. And like they're just living in a different side. Now, I wish some of them would not vote liberal. That'd be nice. Like I wish we could get off that train, you know. I think we are, but you never know. Yeah. No, I definitely agree with you.

You know, I actually lived in Vancouver for three and a half years. and I didn't realize at the time now, like this is my university days, just like actually how liberal the West Coast is. But I also agree with you that I used to get like all the time, people would be like, oh, you're from Toronto. You're like, we're not all horrible.

Like, relax. I have a guy who listens from Toronto. He operates one of the cranes on top of, you know, one of the big buildings, right? And he always sent the pictures of it. And he's like, you know, we're not all terrible, right? I'm like, I know, but we've got to play up some of the stereotypes to have a little bit of fun on this side. We just have a better hockey team.

Well, I tell you what, right now, right now, we're going to, so I got nowhere to stand right now, you know. The oil have been, you know, great. Throw a little bit of hockey in here. Thank you, Shea, for that. Hey. You're welcome. So when you go, you know, you've been all over the world, okay? I'm going to fast forward to, you know what, like there's the human.

I find fascinating thing, which I find fascinating because in the middle of COVID, I was talking to Theo Flurry, and then he pushed me on the Paul Brandt, and then Paul Brand, you know, was talking to not my city, and then, of course, you know, the sound of freedom comes out, and you're talking to people from, and I'm just like, ah, I didn't realize, you know, blinders on, I guess. So we could get, we could get, not that we shouldn't talk about it, we can. I'm just, like, to me, you fast forward to 2020. You've been all over the world. You live in Costa Rica, for Pete's sake. Like, why did you pick that spot?

And why do you, like, you have such an interesting, you know, anyone who leaves Canada, especially through the last three years and then comes back to Canada has such an interesting perspective. Because there's so many people who are just like, they left and have never come back, and are never coming back. They're like, I'm done with this. And then there's other people, you know, I think of Drew Weatherhead, who was on the call, you know, he takes his family down for about six months at a time to the States and then

comes back. And he's kind of back and forth. gives them a real unique, like, look at like, wow, we are doing things real weird up north. And people don't think it's weird because we just live it every day. Yeah, so I've actually never vacationed in Costa Rica. I've traveled down there for the last 12 years for business. I'm in real estate. And so we have clients that have built down at the four seasons 12 years ago when that was first starting.

So I'd go down there. We had like luxury real estate conferences. But I'd never actually vacationed there. But what I did know enough is that it's a very full resourced country. There's lots of water in the south because there's the rainforest. It's exotic. Like you've got Black Sand beaches. It's, you know, sunshine.

It has one of the worlds. There's only five blue zones in the world. And for those listening that maybe don't know what a blue zone is, that's basically an area where the people live the healthiest in the long. longest there you thank you i can i can be the guy to put my hand up i'm like blue zone all right tell me a little bit more you're saying you're saying lord minster alberta saskatchewan because we're right on the border isn't a blue zone you're saying eight months of the year where it's dark and wants to kill you isn't a blue zone no it's like the opposite of a blue zone probably a

gray zone and they're probably in a gray zone they've even a black zone i'm not sure on that but it's certainly not a blue zone so i moved my wife here from minnesota and probably once a day in wintertime she's like why are we living here again? I'm like but I love it. I like I you know like no I'm not a poisonous snake person just I just can't I just can't

and so where I live there's no poisonous snakes like they just can't handle it most human beings can't handle it let alone a reptile like it's just like what is this place it's lovely it's true you know sorry I didn't sorry to interrupt but I mean a blue zone I've only seen one snake in the last

basically two and a half years of being in Costa Rica and it wasn't poisonous. I definitely have other people who have different stories than me, but it's not as stereotypical that you're always going to see like the spiders and the snakes and all of the stuff. Obviously, it is a jungle. Like that is beyond. It's, that's real.

I see monkeys at my place more than I do anything else. So, but most importantly, just to like answer your question, you know, when I, when COVID happened and look at. at where in the world is freedom being fortified or at least where is our is freedoms being protected the most amongst the people and also amongst the government. I always say, you know, we are only as strong as the people. And that is for me the most important part. When the people are weak and this is what we're seeing over the last three years of our

life, including what's happening right now in the world, right? Like the more division, the more we can be against one another, than the easier it is for government to infiltrate, take over, survey, all of that stuff. And so when I, in 2020, when things were happening, I'll be really honest, in the first two weeks in March, I called bullshit on this entire thing. I was like, this does not seem, this just does not sit well with me this doesn't seem right like we're shutting down the world because of basically a cold like let's call it a really bad flu it's like they didn't do that for h1n1 they didn't do that for SARS which at the time what we knew that was at least worse anyways so i just started really paying attention um to governments and what governments were were doing and looking at what canada was doing

I told my parents in November of 2020, the writing is on the wall. We're going to be in vaccine mandates by this time next year. I will not live through that. As you kind of alluded to, as maybe people can imagine, I have an anti-human trafficking organization, which means I literally fight people who exploit others for a living. traffickers, the users. And so whenever you're talking about freedom of speech, freedom of mobility, freedom of body autonomy, freedom of, you know, your own body and exploitation human rights, like I have,

I have issues with all of that, you know. And so I could just see what was happening. And so when I looked at Costa Rica has a lot of water. Costa Rica has a lot of resources from different food and the oceans and fish and so forth. So I was like, well, if you needed to live off grid, where could you do that? Mexico is great. Mexico is really dry. There's a lot of dryness.

And so I'm also like not wanting to be maybe in like more like tourist area and like feeling a little more off grid. So I started honing in on on Costa Rica for like I just mentioned, it's resources. The government never required anything. You didn't need a PCR test to come into the country. the shots were not required to come into the country. You know, yes, you had to wear a mask in the airport. And depending on where you were in different places, like some places you did, some places you didn't,

I have an exemption in Costa Rica. So that wasn't applicable for me. I wasn't going to do it anyways. So there was that. And so Costa Rica became like this checkbox of going, well, I have freedom to choose. I have freedom to move around. I have freedom to say what I want to say. It's well-resourced.

And then the final for me, which was a really big piece, was looking at the people that were somewhere already there. But there were a lot of people who were sacrificing, giving up much more than me. You know, you asked at the beginning, I'm not married. I have no children. It's a lot easier for somebody like me to just go,

Sayanara, Trudeau, Canada, I'm leaving. versus some of my friends from my area actually who sold their house, took their two kids out of school, had to leave everything. And like you said, I have friends that are like that. They will never come back to Canada, that they fully have left and they've left everything behind. So when I looked at that, I said there's an army here that is not, it's quiet right now. but the army is assembling in Costa Rica. You have moms, you have single moms, you have families, people like myself who are going down there.

And if things were to ever take a turn in Costa Rica, which I believe at some point they will. I don't think that like if we don't start really winning this war that I believe we're in, it's inevitable eventually Costa Rica will be tried and tested. the difference is going to be the people that the government will have not anticipated is as strong as what is brewing there. Because those who have sacrificed everything and you never mess with the moms, you just don't mess with the moms. They are going to fight. And you're going to have neighbors, like we already have all of these communities that are cohabitating together. resources,

talent, skills. And that's not because we have to do that right now. That's just how life is done in Costa Rica. And so in a lot of ways, it's already prepared. You're already like prepping for in the event of this is how we've been doing life already. And so I went down in 2021. I told my parents in November 2020 writing's on the wall. I'm out going to Costa Rica in January to.

scout. I want to go find property. And then I went back in May of 2021 for three weeks. I purchased two places down there. And then September 15th, I was like, I'm out of this country before Trudeau gets, quote, reelected. And we're going to go into even more intense lockdowns. I'm not going to live here. And so that's exactly what happened. I left on the 15th. And I think he announced on September 22nd that miraculously he won the election. And everything was shut down. And then, of course, as we all know how the rest of the story goes, you know, November 30th, that was your final day to have your shots or can't get on a plane, can't leave your country,

can't go to a restaurant, can't have surgery, can't, like, all of the things. So, so Costa Rica was my refuge, quite simply. put you know sitting on this side i find it like fascinating um because there's there's there's several i i don't even know if i have this right but i just i just see like several different types of people and so there's there's there's like what you did shay is like you did what a with so many of us did i remember you know there was a group of us that met and there's a guy who flew down to mexico was looking at properties and like you know it's like if this gets this bad like where they're not can allow us to leave. But then you have the choice. It's like the choice is am I leaving my

homeland to never come back now. Of course, lots of people have come back. Some have never come back. Are we going to go to a foreign country? Is that what we're going to do, et cetera, et cetera? Now, I know you're not the first person if you can believe it to come on this show and be like, yeah, I moved to a different country and I'm just, you know. But then there was then there was the hardened, the opposite, where they got almost more patriotic, pissed off. They're like, I ain't leaving. And when they come, there will be blood or what have you. I mean, obviously, I don't think there was any bloodshed,

and I don't mean to imply that that's where it ever got to. But in saying that, like, I mean, it got pretty insane here, where you couldn't leave the country. You couldn't go into half the things. Like, I mean, it culminated in the Freedom Convoy. Like, that's what it culminated into, because even the people who were for most of the things that were going on, once it got to that part, and they saw the Freedom Congo,

they're like, yeah, this makes sense. Like, this has to end. Like I thought this was going to end two weeks ago, you know, 18 weeks ago, you know? And it's interesting because, like, you offer to a lot of people that were almost like, I'm going to call it a cheat code because I can't think of what I'm trying to spit out, but like almost like a cheat code. It's like, come to Shea. She's already doing it.

And if you're really interested in getting out of the country and trying to find a new spot and you probably already honed in on this, you could just be like, I can walk you through everything because I've actually been around. I've seen a few different spots. Costa Rica seems like it's a, you know, it's a freedom-loving community. And if you're going to leave Canada,

your community, where do you want? Well, I want a community that's going to like stand up for rights and where are we all going, right? And there's been a few different spots, whether it was Florida or Texas, or different parts of the states that were certain hot spots,

even just across the border into Montana, I want to say, folks, lots of people were finding. I find it fascinating because I guess the group around here, although there was businessmen leave, there was a lot that hardened. Like they are pissed off right now. And they are, you know, like, think of David Parker.

He literally take back Alberta. He helped get Jason Kenney out. Then he helped get Daniel Smith in. And now he's like, we're coming for all the school boards. And you better take notice because we're coming. And you're like, man, that guy is one motivated person. Totally. You know, I think what comes up for me when you say this is, and I'll share my perspective,

or not my perspective, but part of my journey is I've been fighting human trafficking for 20 years. Freedom is 14 years old. In Canada, we've changed federal legislation three times. and have amended the criminal code, which is not an easy thing to do. There's been a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, and that was under the Harper government. The Trudeau government has tried to dismantle a lot of what we have implemented

from a legislative standpoint. I have spent the last 14 years of my life in Canada fighting, fighting to teach, fighting to convince that human trafficking is happening here in Canada, educating the media, even police officers, changing the mindset that when a police officer goes and picks up a girl, she's not a hoe, she's a victim.

And like as much as, I mean, that's just simply put it. I don't want to get into the, because it'll just tangent off. But you've got to train media, you know, law enforcement,

what actually you're looking at. Because what we've been. taught or what we've been assumed is not actually the case. And so when COVID came around and 2020 happened and that was the first explosion really of human trafficking and conspiracy quote unquote talk and adrenochrome and

a lot of stuff that I've been dealing with that's just regulatory for the like normal for me for the last whatever years. Well I mean you've you've had a nonprofit for 14 years fighting directly this And yeah, yes. You know, and so I got to a point in in November of 2020 where I was just like, I'm exhausted from fighting and now this is a whole new war. Like we're in a whole new war.

And for my, my sanity, for my peace, my energy, I needed to. And here I'll say this too. it's none of our responsibilities to change hearts and to wake people up. My only responsibility is to present truth and love and light. And wherever somebody is on their journey, that's where they are. And I was on a different spot on my journey years ago that has brought me to where I am right now. And so what is important is that you don't know what you might be in that person's life. You could be the seed planter.

You could be the garden waterer where you're putting water on that seed. You might be the person to put the fertilizer and you're like just a little more. But there was this energy, at least for me in 2020, where it was like, oh my God, how can you not see what's going on? And instead of being love, I was frustrated. I was starting to get really angry. Like I was angry. It was right. Rightfully so.

I was angry at what was going on in the world. In love or because of love, you're wanting people to like wake up and see the truth. And I really had to check myself being like, my piece is changing. My energy is changing. And I really believe that the big G upstairs is the one who he's in the life changing business. That's his job. It's not mine.

And so part of also making like, I don't want to be living under the. regime in this way. I really believe that my role in this was to lead and show other people that there actually is another option and that there is another way. And you actually can leave. Is it easy? Definitely not. Is it hard and comes with all kinds of challenges? 100%. But we always do have a choice. And you either make an excuse or you'll make it happen. And when other people see that other people are doing it or have done it, they know that it then can be done. And one of the hardest things for me to watch was actually the truckers. I have never cried so much in my life because it is in me.

I'm a fighter. It is in me to like be there in Ottawa. I wanted to be there so badly. You know, I did a whole bunch of Instagram lives and I posted all kinds of stuff. But I knew that y'all over there got it. That was your role at that time. And if we're all trying to do the same things, we actually don't accomplish the greater good for what actually needs to be done. And so I share this because your role, my role, whether you stayed or whether you left, whether you're coming back, all works and is all good.

all okay because if we all, well, maybe I don't know if we all stayed, but I feel like if we all stayed and fought, maybe the government wouldn't see like, wow, there's a ton of money that's like actually leaving this country and people are actually willing to leave. Like, who knows? Don't really know. But it's this permission to know that just because somebody else is doing something does not mean that that is actually your role in this fight. And now having done it, there's a line, I don't know if you've ever heard this line, it's called being called out to be called back in. Have you ever heard that?

I haven't. I don't know what's, it's actually biblical. I think it's from Jeremiah. If, I mean, I don't know if you're on the Google, but I think it's from Jeremiah. But there is a line and it's about being called, being called out to be called back in. And I'm kind of in that zone right now where I feel like, I've gone and I've made my plan my plan B I've got I've shown other people that they can do it even for those listening you did bring that up I actually put together of course Sean on everything

you need to know before you purchase and or move to Costa Rica of course he did of course I have to because I can't answer all the questions and I get all the same questions safety schools taxes can I bring my dog like everything like what's purchasing light what is escrow like there's a lot of things so i was like let me just put together this course it's not super expensive but it's filled with tons of good information and then after you take it i'm have i'm still there i'm happy to answer any other questions that you might still have um you know for that but i've i've set up base camp for me i actually also have my PR card in me because i'm like okay and if coast Rika, what is the next?

Like, where's my plan? My plan B and C? And now I think there's something really fascinating that's going on in our country. And this next time round, I think the government is going to be, I pray. I really pray. I hope. You don't hope. You pray.

Yeah. Well, they're both together. Like I hold fast to that hope that I pray constantly for this nation and for the people, that people like yourself, that speak up, use your platforms and aren't yelling. Like, you know, as long as you're not like yelling. I just, I'm like love and light. Just be love and light. Speak truth.

And it encourages other people. And like I said, it's not. And I think that's like where for me like the yelling part, you don't need to yell because like it's not my job. It's not my job to wake you up. like I said, but I do pray that this time round there will be enough people that are encouraged and inspired and that will just shock the hell out of this government. Well, you know, as you were talking, first, I was trying to Google, but as I start to Google, this is why I need a Jamie, Jack, I know you're listening, because I'm like, then I start Googling

and I'm not listening anymore. I'm like, I hate it. I hate it. So while I was listening to you, though, the thing about pointing it out, is I one of the probably toughest realizations you have as a person or to hear somebody else tell you is like you know in the middle of it and and there's so much going on like listen in Canada alone there's so many things happening I podcast five shows a week I can't keep up with it I can't keep up with it I can't keep up with it and it's like it's almost like defeating that you can't keep up with it you know unless you what am I going to do bring on 25 guests a week like I don't know I don't know And at that point, will that be enough? In some point, you just come to the terms of, like, I just can't be everywhere all at once.

I can't, I can't fix Toronto, and I can't help with Eminton, and I can't help with, I can maybe help with where I'm at in Lloyd. Maybe. Maybe. I don't even know that, right? Like, I don't know if I, I'm going to try. And once you, like, let go of, you know, it doesn't mean you don't talk to Shay,

and it doesn't mean you don't bring on people with different problems across Canada and let people what's going on. It's, you know, and be collaborative about it. It's just like, listen, I'm thankful Shay's sitting over on the other side. I'm thankful for having some people here in Alberta and Saskatchewan that are really bucking the system and are really attacking it and supporting. You've got to support them and you got to build a community.

Yeah. But once you realize like, and it was me and Drew Weatherhead, the first time we ever talked, he was sitting in his vehicle. He just left Canada. I forget how long he'd been down there for maybe a month. You know, he had a sister. who was vaccine, like severely vaccine injured, right? And I'm here, from the COVID shot.

And here I am telling him, you know, on one side, he's going, you know, I got to leave. And I'm going, man, I think you need to stay. Like what, you know, like I'm going, we need all the warriors here. And he's going, man, I think I can be a warrior from the States. I need to get out of here for my own mental health and my kids and everything. And when I look back at that conversation, no different what you're saying right now. It's like, I don't care where you go in the world. You can't, you just can't stop.

Just don't go live as a hurt. hermit unless by being a hermit in 20 years you're going to come back and show a whole bunch of people because I can't see the grand plan but you know your plan it doesn't have to mirror mine and on top of that wherever you're at you just can't fix everything all at once like it's impossible and you're going to wear yourself out and the information overload right now man in the middle of 2020 I don't know about you shay I felt like you know one or two videos a day would come through and you'd be like, oh, you've got to watch this, right? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now it's like, I was just saying, somebody asked me, oh, have you reached out to this person? I'm like, you realize in a day right now, I'm getting probably anywhere to between 5 to 10 podcasts, you need to listen to this. And guest suggestions of like, I don't even know anymore. I was sitting here thinking, I used to do this thing every morning,

and I've gotten off of this. And so as I say this to you, I'm like, I need to get back on this. What I used to do was, I used to pick three names, that I thought I could never get. Don Cherry, Ron McLean, Paul Brandt, it doesn't matter. I just picked three names, and for 15 minutes,

I would just search as quickly as I could on the internet and find, like, you know, do they have Instagram? Do they have Twitter? Can I DM them? Can I get whatever? I'd send off a message. And that was it. I'd forget about it.

And then the next day I'd do the same thing over and over and over again. Be amazed at how many people respond. Especially once you start to build up, you're like a snowball. Once you've had a little bit of success, people see that and they're like what the heck is he doing over there i mean yeah i've had the premiere on it's not like i've nothing here yeah yeah but it's funny as all the guests come suggestions come in and they're lovely i know i i have such wonderful people on this audience that have um influence via the foam man it's it's paralyzing at times and so when you talk about having to get out of

country to go to cost rica to like kind of like find yourself again i don't know if that's i'm using my terms that you can use however you want to phrase it i'm like i get it like to me i just went and i went out in the bush with uh the cowboy preacher uh audience members will remember joshua allen coming on and we went and shot uh birds we didn't shoot a single shot all day we just wandered the bush because the leaves have fallen and everywhere we went we were just noisy as all could be and yet i was away from the phone i was in the bush just yeah doing nothing and it was good i needed it i need to recharge. And I think everybody needs to understand that there's times and it's okay to just be like, I need some time. I think it's vital. Like, I think that that should be part of your routine.

Like, that is so important to be doing a health maintenance where you are unplugging. And I mean, just even me, like, I'll be really honest. Like, there's a few people, even within the freedom community, they post like so much in a day that it overwhelms me. because it makes me feel like I'm not doing what I should be doing or like what I, I'm saying I should, but I'm like, should I actually be doing that? Is that even what I want to be doing? That's the question. Is this what I want to be doing?

You know, and is it aligned or like you get confused being like, well, they're doing that. Like maybe I should be doing that. And I'm like, I don't really want to be doing that. But because you're so inundated, whether it's, you know, the podcasting or videos that people send you like I'm very careful now to again it's like going back to the guarding your peace and guarding your energy and what is an alignment for yourself and just because everybody else or it seems like everybody else is doing something does not mean that that is what I need to be doing you know and the beautiful part is when you when you authentically show up as

yourself you are actually fulfilling the role the purpose and what you're what the world needs of you, right? Because then we all work together. Like, even with your podcast, it's different than my podcast. What I talk about online, yeah, sure, there's going to be some overlap because we, you know, we stand on the same side of a lot of beliefs. Not everything, though, probably, right? Like, that's just normal.

That's life. But you need to be focused on doing you and like what Sean wants to be doing and what feels good for you versus well Drew left so like should we uproved and leave because he's leaving for six months and now like this Shay girl is down in Costa Rica like should we be doing that it's like you got to focus on on you and really I would I would say though but when it comes to Shay and Drew specifically what those what you did for a person like me is like I had to have the conversation should we be leaving because at that time everybody was staring at the date when you're not going to be able to leave the country.

Are you kidding me? Like, I mean, like, and nobody's going to, we're not going to, like, freak out about this. I mean, obviously, lots of people are freaking out. Um, what different individuals do by coming on this side for me is they force you to have a conversation. It's like, hmm. Hmm. Now, do I want to go live in Costa Rica?

Well, you got to play that out. I can't speak to everyone here. I can, I certainly can't. Nor could, Drew, nor can you. And nobody's identical, you know, like, you talk about me and you have in the same beliefs. I have lived with my wife now. We are going on, man, next year is going to be 10 years we've been married and she is a lovely human being. We don't agree on everything. But I wouldn't want that. I don't want to be so hard. Yeah, right? You want a little bit of a give and take and a little bit

of, you know, Jordan Peterson's would say you want a good wrestling partner. Like, I mean, in more ways than one. And it's like, yeah. And that's where your growth happens. How can you grow if you constantly like yep, yep, yep, like literally boring, but like there's the growth comes from the friction. The growth comes out of not necessarily tension, but when you have that polarity, like you just said, us leaving causes you to have the conversation. It causes you to ask the question. Well, think about it. People left this country and here's something for the listener. I probably don't need to say this. I know big business. In a. Alberta, there was like no less than 10 big businesses that were like within a hair of leaving

and Daniel Smith got elected. Now, you can love or hate Daniel Smith. But think about where we were at when big giant corporations are like, I'm out of here. And I'm not talking about the Walmarts. I'm talking about different things. I have no idea about the Walmarts. I'm talking like Alberta built businesses. Like they're like within. And now I was just talking to one last week and they've now opened up the second spot in Texas. And the premier has talked to them and been like, are you leaving? And he's like, well, no. But we've decided that, you know, like, because of the last three years, we're

never going to be put in a position like that ever again. That's what Canada did to people. So like you leaving, Drew leaving, Mike Kuzmiskis leaving, I-Corp blood services, forced everyone to go if you were paying attention. Is it that bad? Because people are now uprooting everything and leaving a country that I love with everything I got. Yeah. But it has gotten so bad that people are willing to take the most drastic step, which is like, I don't know, what's more extreme than leaving?

Probably bearing arms, but that might, like, I don't know. And so if you weren't paying attention or didn't have that conversation, you should probably sit and think on that a little bit. You know, some of the best people I've ever had come on the podcast or just in life are people that just say no. Like, no, not interested. And you're like, but why? That's interesting. Because most people are like, yeah, sure, whatever.

Yeah, you know, like, well, yeah, whatever. No, no, no, I'm gone. No, no. You're like, you don't hear that enough, you know, like in everyday conversation. You know, what I think is one of the most important questions that people need to answer. And as you're talking, this is, again, what was coming up for me. And I think it's really important because what you're referring to is in the past. And I believe we are going to be faced with this again.

There's going to be another opportunity of an exile that will come. but the most important question you as a family unit as a single person need to ask is where at what point do you reach your line in the sand how far or how bad does it have to get where you go that's it i'm out and then what is your plan because whenever you need a plan be by the time you need it, it's too late. Right? Like if you need an escape plan and you don't already have it by the time you need it, you're too late.

And so I always encourage people to really think about if you got to your line in the sand, which for me, I'll tell you mine. 2020, I said I knew the writing was on the wall, but I told my family the moment the Canadian government starts talking about UBI universal basic income in the, this country, I'm literally gone. In February of 2021 was the first time the government started talking about it and very quiet. It's not made major headlines, but they suddenly dropped

UBI. I said, that's it. I'm going back to Costa Rica in May. I'm gone. That was for me, the line in the stand because that has a domino effect, right? I knew we were getting into digital currency, digital IDs, banking, so that for me, it's not even just government mandate. Now we're talking about economics and the collapse coming. You know what I love about that question in particular is it like stops. I'm an argumentative guy. So in the middle of COVID, I can't remember when this was when Dustin and my one of my older brothers were arguing like vehemently against each other like we're having it out in a vehicle i'm saying some things that i called later and apologized and i'm just like i'm just and we agreed on every like we agreed on what was going on with

covid and everything else we were arguing about whether it was that bad or not and i was arguing it's not that bad Sean it is that bad and we're so we're clashing back and back and forth and finally i get out of the vehicle i slam the door shut i'm like i'm fucking dumb with this conversation he goes Sean, where's the line? And I stopped, like all the emotion gone out of me. I go, now that, that's a good question. That, to me, I got to go think about. Because now you're forcing me not to argue about, is it far too far?

It's like, well, where is the line? Now, everybody's got their line. Everybody's got their, where they, and that's fine. But if you haven't been like, the line is here, then you have zero line and you've never really thought about it. And that's a question that, you know, you can put to a lot of what's going on in society. And when you use it on anyone, you know, it's like, no, you're overreacting. Oh, maybe I am. But where's your line?

Where is it? Have you thought about it? Where's your line? Hmm. And most people, when they hear that question, most, will go, like, I haven't really thought about it. And then now you're in their head and they have to go think about it. It's a really good question for everybody to answer. And it doesn't have to be the same as mine or Shea's.

Right? Yeah. It's okay. And it won't be for a lot of people, you know, but it is the most important that you need to know what it is. And then I would encourage you to follow that up with them. What is your plan? Right?

Because if you come to that line and you're like, wow, we're here. Now what? Right. So like for me, those two go hand in hand is like, where is your line? What needs to happen before you say? enough is enough. And then what? Does that mean you're leaving the country?

Does that mean you're moving somewhere more remote off-grid? Does that mean you're starting to build a bunker? Does that mean you're pulling your kids out of school? I don't know what plan B looks like for you. That escape plan. I don't know what that looks like. But it's so important to have it. And to realize and to realize that if you're leaving the country,

Well, Shay's already got, is already there and there's already a community there. If you're pulling your kids out of school and that's like, well, that's my plan. You can already start learning about that. If it's to stay in your community, chances are in your community, there's already a group that's been formed that is already working on everything you want to work on. And you can go be a part of that. If it's, I don't know, whatever your thought, like what your plan B turns into, escaping the country, staying in the country, staying in the country. off, you take whatever, you know, there's so many different ways you can go about it. It's already being talked about it.

And actually, on top of that, it's probably already formed. And you can go be involved. And one of the things that I think I've learned out of all of this is if you want things to change, you have to get involved. Simple as that. And it can be as small or as large as you want to be. But you can do that wherever you're at. If it's, you know, and I just met a lady from Ontario who moved to a hotel Lloydminster.

I was like, oh, you just got to come. She comes and she's talking and I'm like, oh, where are you from? Oh, how long have you been in town? Oh, you just need to come to this group. Just here, just here, take this and just show up to the next meeting. She's like, oh, thank you, right? It's like, there's like certain keywords you're just like, where are you from? Yeah, sure, just come out to this.

It's already formed. It's already happening. And that's pretty cool because I'm sure if I went to Toronto, a couple phone calls, and I probably find a group that, it's already doing some of the things that I'm interested in doing. Totally. I mean, the people are always there. You just, yeah, you just need to ask who, who is doing it, right?

And go and find them. Like, there's usually somebody who's done what you want to do in life, right? Like business, whatever it is and health, like whatever your goal is, whatever you're desiring. Most of the time, there is somebody who has already done it and go find that person. you know, go find the people and they want to welcome you in too. That's the other thing. Well, isn't that right? Which leads me all the way to where we're sitting at with November 28th and, you know,

whether this is the start of it, which is the start of it. You know, like this has been being talked about now for, you know, back in March, we talked about C-11 and C-18 when I did my last live show or one of my last size show. I guess I did one in June too. But, you know, when you see what's coming down the pipe, Shea, with, you know, the government trying to censor media, trying to eliminate, you know, dissenting voices, allowing, you know,

whether or not this disappears on the 28th or just over time it becomes more and more restricted so you can't find what we're doing. What are your thoughts on it? And what have you seen or what have you been preparing? Because you talk about preparation. So I highlight out, Shays, it's going to, well, I'm just going to put my feet up, you know.

Nothing's going to happen on the 28th. Nothing's going on here. Yeah, you know, So, I mean, simply whenever we see government trying to regulate, censor, control, anything, mobility, your body, freedom of speech, all of this, it's a very, very slippery slope. And so, you know, we've already seen news being taken off of Instagram, like can't get news on there, which is so wild being Canadian. being in Canada and actually looking at your phone when that comes up, being like, am I in China? Because it kind of feels like China. Like I can't see that.

And now progressing to the podcast, which obviously they know is one of the strongest freedom outlets for voices, you know, not necessarily media, but there's a lot of power and weight coming through podcasters. So for me personally, I would never register. The government has no business to be regulating what we're saying, having things being removed. So I personally would not be registering. I'm lucky for me. I shouldn't say lucky.

I made a decision to move my podcast out of the country. My podcast is registered in Australia. because that's where it's produced out of Australia. So I'm not going to... It'll be interesting. I actually don't know if I'm going to be penalized. Like, my episodes might not actually get into Canada. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, 100% it does. Yeah. I just think of when I played hockey in Finland, I couldn't get Netflix there. And it just said strictly, this is not available here. Or I'll give you the sports side of it. Tons of hockey guys know or sports people. but like I lived in Wisconsin,

which is like right under Canada, and it said, this region does not allow sports net. And I'm like, how is that possible? I'm like two out, not even, probably an hour from the Canadian border,

and it's not allowed. So you go, well, they can't do that. Oh, but they can. It just takes time to slowly ratchet it down.

That's all. And in today's world, with how fast things progress, in case and point, meta and Instagram and everything, and how quickly all of a sudden just one day you couldn't share any news things,

you know, and how normal. Normal people are just reacting. I guess can't get news on Instagram anymore. You're like, how fucked up is that? Like, come on, folks. Like, this is messed up. This is our own government doing it to us.

I mean, they're using the scapegoat of meta and them. All these are the bad guys. But it's them who did it. Sorry, rant off. No, but it's like, you know, even as you're saying that, I'm like, it's because we've been so inundated with so much information, There's just constantly that like we're now desensitized when something like that should actually trigger us to be like, wow, this is not okay. It's just something you scroll over.

You're like, okay, whatever. Because we're so inundated with so much other information, right? Like if we didn't have as much coming towards us, I think a lot more people would probably stop and realize being like, wow, that's, that's so crazy. I can't watch the news on my phone anymore, like through, through Instagram. I mean, it's laughable to even talk about Shay. It's like, I, like, what? Like, this is insane. It really is, you know, but because we're so like watching this person dance on TikTok

and then this person telling me how to make 20 grand a month with reels and like we're just so inundated with everything else, all the fluff that we miss the actual things that that matter. So let's go back to what you said. You were, you know, you're like. it'll be interesting to watch. You're registered as an Australian podcast, whether they limit that.

I actually don't see that as being the threat. I personally don't see. I guess this is my look on it. I think that's really smart. Because if I look at this, I go, is Spotify and Apple and these platforms going to comply with what Canada's asking?

Possibly. They also might just say we're not interested. And if they say we're not interested, if you're registered as Canadian podcasts, You might be out the door day one. That's what I see is the biggest threat day one. I don't think this happens overnight. I think this is a bigger argument that's going to play out over the next, let's say, year.

But immediately it's like, well, what did Meta say? I mean, meta's set the stage for this. They said, we're not complying, and boom, you can't do this. So now everybody's working around getting around there. By being an Australian podcast, Spotify isn't, you know, they're not looking for who Shea is or who Sean is. They're just going to type it into their little algorithm and go, okay, if you're registered Canada, you're not allowed to talk about these things, or you're not allowed to be on the Spotify or whatever it is.

So then there will be a huge rush of like, well, I'm not a Canada one. I'm American. I'm from Brazil. You know, it's like whatever. And over time, I could see how they ratchet it down to not allow certain things. Like it's, you know, it's two weeks to flatten the curve all over again. It's just, you know, it's the start of it. Yeah.

And the other thing, and I think worth mentioning just because we are talking about this that so many people don't realize is that it's not, this is applicable regardless of how much money you make as a podcaster through podcasting. You know, because the loophole is if you use Spotify, great example, Apple, great example, as your main distributor. They make over 10 million and they're going to have to register. So does YouTube. So does Rumble. So every way we get, you know, like the only ways you can, it's an interesting problem because I've thought I've been talking to a lot of people about it. And it's like, okay, if you register as a different country in the short term, you should be okay. I would think you're okay.

It comes over time if they say we're no longer going to allow Spotify in Canada. that's an extreme step because now to the you think of um that affects every canadian not just us that attacks every side will they ever get to that i don't know does spotify say we're not going to allow any canadian in no i think Canadians would lose their minds like we're so used to now right you either listen on apple or you listen on spotify yeah i know there's other ones but those are the those are the powerhouses yes you know it's basically like apple phones phone or Android. Like, you know, that's here.

I think you'd have people, in some ways, I hope that happens because, you know, Sean, like maybe that will actually really help to wake people up as well because there's so many users on Spotify that I think you would have Canadians being like, what is really actually happening here? Like, I can't listen to a podcast because that podcaster is not registered through Spotify or like they're talking about COVID or, like, they're talking about COVID or, or, they're talking about gender ideology or they're talking about even the war like I literally watched a girlfriend of mine she sent me a message an hour before you and I started talking

she shared her position on what's happening in Israel and between the Palestinians and Israel and she to her account ironically got hacked I'm like all yeah of course I got hacked you know, like, so I just think like things like this where how much more actually just continue needs to happen before people again, like wake up like because you're not registered, now you can no longer like listen or because you're talking about what's going on to Israel versus Palestine. And if it doesn't support whatever the narrative narrative that they want, it's like you can't now listen to that podcast because we're talking about it.

it's like I don't know I hope that becomes a line for some people talk about needing to find your line like I hope like this becomes one of them you know um because without your voice without like our freedom to think and without freedom of speech like what do you have seriously like what do you have well I mean I've interviewed several different people who escaped communism came to Canada and um I like after talking to Susanna in particular she I can't remember what what country was it folks doesn't matter doesn't matter Eastern European and she was saying you know like up until she was university she actually really enjoyed the country she thought communism was awesome it was only in university when she realized you couldn't have an opinion you couldn't ask certain questions that she went oh this is no fun and I go that's kind of Canada right now like to me I'm like if when she put it the way she put it. I go, we're living in communism. Like this

if it's early stages, if it's it doesn't matter. Like to me when you can't so everyone's oh you got free speech. They're not resting you for talking about certain things. I'm like, sure. Sure. But like, in saying that if you mention certain words, if you have any,

if they can find a way to cancer, they will. They literally have. You know, like case in point, this show when it was on YouTube removed entirely. gone and you're like for what like i don't even like i i'm like a little blip on the radar compared to some why did joe rogan move away from youtube and go strictly to spotify you think that was you think that was just the oh gee hucks a hundred million dollars yep way i go that was really strategic

and it showed the brilliance of joe rogan after all the stuff started coming out with youtube right look at how many people didn't see the canary in the coal mine for what it was and and they got wiped out by it And now when we stare at what's going on with Spotify and Apple, specifically, it's like how do people get their podcast? Well, I don't know about everybody else, but those two are mine right there. And if all of a sudden they regulate it and they do anything to hinder your access to me or Shea or the probably 50 other people that you know of in Canada, it's like, well, where do we go and how do we find that? And how do you get around it? And will there be workarounds? Yes, there will be.

but it will be difficult. And difficulty means listeners fall off because, you know, even when Joe went to Spotify, it took me like three months to finally be like, okay, I'm going to go listen to him because it's Joe. But I'm pissed off at him because I really like to listen to them on Apple, you know? Like what a wild thing. And that's a guy that I really, really enjoy. Yeah. No, it's true.

And, you know, I think this becomes such an opportunity for just Canadians that this is your opportunity to actually be able to do something, you know, writing your MPs, writing your MPPs, and voicing your concern about this piece of legislation. Even though this is a federal thing, I'm a firm believer that you should be contacting all levels of government, you know? So like, I would still be contacting the province because as much as a podcaster, yeah, you're subject to the registration. As a listener, this still affects you.

And so this is not just the responsibility of people like yourself and me and other fellow podcasters. This is going to require multiple different people, Canadians, to speak up going, we're not tolerating it. Like it's not okay that you're trying to censor what we're listening to. And I mean, that's just where the brainwashing effect happens. You brought up people like, you know, who grew up in communist countries. I know a good amount.

I probably can think of seven families off the top of my head who left escaped communism or came thereafter to this country and have now gone back to places like Russia because they can see the writing on the wall. They can see what's happening here that we are on this not slow, slow. Yeah, collision course. They say we're on a very slippery slope right now for what's happening. And they're like, well, we left that. You know the saying like the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

Totally got it. They don't know the devil communist Canadian government, but they know their communist government that they left from. And that's why they're going back right now. They're like, nope, don't want to deal with what's coming. So we're in a war however you look at it, but there's an opportunity. And if we all rally together and we just do our part and we do something, I do think that we have the ability to at least push this back, at least change it and say like, no, you guys

tried, but we're just putting our foot down. We're not allowing it. It's not going to happen. Well, before I let you out of here, let's do the crude master final question. Today it's going to be what's next for Shea? And is there any way the audience, if they want to help or participate or what have you? Is there any way they can help or I can help for that matter? Help with.

I don't know. Well, what do you have? What is next for Shea? Let's start there. So I'm in a, I'm not transition. I'm just in this next step in my journey. I've decided we talked about being called out to be called back in. And I really feel right now that I'm needing to spend some more time in Canada.

I don't know what that's going to look like, but kind of going back and forth, possibly to Florida as well. I'm looking at properties there to invest in. So real estate has always been my thing. So that's still, you know, a growing part. I want to open up down in Florida. I'm already doing that down in coast. Costa Rica appear in Toronto and the GTA, moving some stuff online.

So you can anticipate to see some of that dropping over the next few weeks leading up into the new year. And so from a freedom foundational standpoint, I say like there's different what I call freedom principles or like freedom foundation fundamentals that you need in your life in order to actually be able to take ownership and step into true freedom. your finances, you know, investing, real estate, financial literacy, your health mindset, all that kind of stuff. And so I'm going to be releasing that to gear up for the new year to start strong and also to have that flexibility. Being able to do, you know, I get people asked me like,

I really wish I could do what you can do. I'm like, you can't. You just have to implement certain things that I do, not saying that it's perfect, but, you know, I have a very regimented kind of way and systems of doing things. So I'm building that. That'll be kind of my first online offering, really, because I'm in a very, I sell you a house, you buy a house, you know, kind of industry. Where can people find you, Shea?

You can find me, Shane Vidyatta, so my name on the screen, very easy, and that's me on all my social media handles. So, yeah, Shane Vidyatta. My DM for always open. Invidiata. You know, like, man, what a name, you know. I love mine last.

I'm a big fan of Newman on the end, but I mean, invidia. It just rolls off the tongue. Appreciate you coming on and doing this. And, you know, I'm sure we'll be seeing a bit more of each other over the coming months. Yes. We've got some work together. Yeah, appreciate you hopping on and sharing a little bit about yourself and your journey and your thoughts and letting certainly some people on this side get to know who Shea is.

And, well, we'll see what happens here in the future. Thanks, Sean. I appreciate you having me.