Shaun Newman Podcast - #522 - 222 Minutes Part 2

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

On the road from show #2 in Bradwell, SK. We discuss the roadtrip, atheism, Quebec seperation and Alberta Pension Plan. Final show of the Live Tour tonight in north of Irma AB at Albert Hall. Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast

Um, it's a Friday, folks. Well, actually, it's a Thursday, but this is Friday's episode. We were pulling out of 2's hometown, which we're not going to disclose locations in fear of so many fans coming from all over the place to, uh, you know, see where he grew up and all that good stuff. But we just pulled out. They wouldn't be able to handle the tourism. That's right. Um, we got some, uh, episode sponsors today. Uh, let's see if I can rattle them off from memory. And if I can't, uh... You'll have to give him a refund. That's right. Uh, first is silver gold bowl. And of course, we were talking about them yesterday when it comes to another Alberta business, successful Alberta business. And when it comes to gold, silver, all that good stuff, these are the guys.

They can get you hooked up anywhere in can. It's all online. Do you realize that? Like, you can't actually physically go in there. You can go in and see things. You can store things with them. But when it comes to buying gold or silver. You can't just go in there and say, I would like a gold brick, please?

Correct. It's all done online. So if you just went in and said, I would like to buy a gold brick, they'd tell you to leave and go to the website. Correct. They don't have a storefront. Well, yeah, but I mean, if you went there and you were there already, they'd probably just be like, okay, well, here, just... No, maybe. I don't know. I'm just saying that when I went and toured their location in Calgary, I was like... Well, yeah, because, I mean, it's not as though you're going to have people lining it up every day to buy gold bricks.

Not that they're not popular, but it's kind of, I mean, first of all, a gold brick is full. fairly expensive. And secondly, you've got, I don't know, it's not a thing that everybody invests in, even though they should. I'm just saying, it doesn't matter where you're sitting in Canada, silvergoldbull.ca, that's how you go about it. So they're, and of course they're in the United States as well, if you're listening from there. But here in Canada, silvergoldbillbill.com, a cool Alberta story, because, I mean, it started out of Rocky Mountain House, which I think is super cool. You got Ignite Distribution. That's Shane Stafford, and he's at a Wainwright, Alberta.

We're going to steal a little bit of your time, Shane, for the mashup. He does a lot of things community-wise. So when it comes to community events, he always loves to give up his spot to let us talk about some things. So today being Friday, tonight means we're in Irma, Alberta. Doors open 6.30, 7.30 p.m. is show start. We might have a guest surprise. I hate to say that because it hasn't been confirmed just yet, but we're working on it to see if we can get one extra out.

Regardless, it should be a fun night. 7.30 p.m., all the proceeds are going to a family who lost their house in the fire from the community, so that's going to be a lot of fun. You got McGowan, professional chartered accountants, and Kristen and team, I don't know, do you use an accountant, too? Yes, but not. I do kind of a hybrid, if you will. So I put together a whole bunch of it.

We were talking actually about my accounting method. A little bit on the way here. I put together most of it and then just get them to make sure it's all ducks in a row. Basically, they've just got to plug and play at that point. Fair enough. Well, I need somebody to babysit me when it comes to you so much. Well, that's what I need because I left a really big tax right off, off my tax return three, four years ago.

and yeah okay I'm not going to use quick tax anymore I need an adult so I can figure most of it out but I need someone to take a look over it and make sure that I'm not leaving tens of thousands of dollars on the table when you just need an adult in the room Krista McGowan McAllen professional chartered accountant at Lloydminster McGowan CPA.ca.ca.com.

And then finally, Rectec Power Products that's Alan Lorenz over on the West Side of Lloyd. Have you seen, you know, I talked a lot of... I never bought it a million times. I've never popped in there. You never popped in there? Nope. Well, I think...

No, they're right on Range Road 20, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. West Side of Lloyd, beautiful showroom. They got tons of things. You know, like, you know what was like... They were a spider. Like, the motorbike with, like, the two wheels in the front. It's kind of like, you know...

And now, single wheel on the back. Yeah, they got those. And we were talking about it. I didn't realize this, but, you know, like, you can... As long as you're... with somebody who has their their bike license you can go out with them and I'm like well that's pretty much like riding a big ATB on the road he's like

well kind of but not quite and I'm like so we can take one of those out together he's like well yeah we can test drive it because you you know if you're looking I'm like oh man so that's the problem is you go in there and you're like oh this is cool oh this is cool and I know enough about me that's why you're

I'm just like well yeah it's it's one of those things where you just think okay well I'm good where I'm at right now And yeah, I'd be pretty happy if I went there, but I would be sorely tempted to buy a boat. Or a se-dew pontoon boat. And sometimes I need an adult. Yes.

When you need adults to make choices for you, RectTech Power Products. Rectechpowerproducts.com. That's what they do. It's just a bunch of adults in the room when you got morons like us, you know? I think I got it right. I hope I didn't miss anyone because if I did, I apologize, and we'll get you squared up in a different way. And I'll die on that grenade or jump on it, I guess, for whatever company. if I did miss them because I'm racking my brain right now, but we're on the road again.

And as you can tell, we're right into things. Well, how about the T-Bar-1 tail of the tape? It's not. It's not the T-Bar-1 anymore. It's the Hancock Petroleum. Oh, sorry. Pardon me? Sure. Well, what's the Hancock Petroleum Tail of the Tape? This, it's a good question. The tail of the tape wouldn't, I'd have never done a tail of the tape on myself before. Oh, I'm going to do one on you as soon as we're done.

Okay. Let me think about this. You know we're recording, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Podcaster, political dissident, and co-host of the Tuesday mashup, 222 minutes, also known as twos. All right. We got a great guest coming for you today. Resident of Hillmont, Saskatchewan, small town boys, but a full-time podcast for some time now. well known for his events across Alberta, saying things hurt his brain

and fumbling every possible last name. I'm talking about Sean Newman, so buckle up. Here we go. There we go. Me and two's been, we've been talking a lot of different things this morning. We're going to get to some of that. We've got about, I don't know,

we'll see an hour and change before we get back to Lloyd. But first and foremost, as you're listening to this, I hope you're coming to the Tuesday mashup final live show in Irma, Alberta. Final so far. Correct. For the year. This is the, we're wrapping up the world tour here tomorrow night. Yeah.

And it's a Friday night in Irma at Albert Hall. If you go on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram, you can see the exact location, how to get there. And there's no cover charge. They're just taking donations. The donations are going for this family who lost their house on fire. and then Tuesday and I at the end of the show will have some merch and certainly if you want to buy a t-shirt they're kind of like limited edition we haven't you know we we haven't had any merch come out until very recently so

that's been a fun little journey of selling some shirts that shows and everything else because we kind of just pulled that out of her you know pulled that out of a hat and and now we've been having some fun with it and we were looking at even gave one to your dad he look pretty good in it. Yeah, yeah, he did. And it was just funny, I was looking around and you're like, oh, we're, we're already running out of sizes and we still have another show to do yet. So been fairly overwhelmed, I guess, with the positive response. Pretty happy with that. Well, we're trying to convince right now, well, I'm not, I'm going to see by the end of this hour if I've convinced somebody to come or not. So we'll see. But I think there would be a couple

people in attendance, whether it's from Lloyd or Irma or Wainwright, Camrose is another one where I think a couple people are coming in. We got a couple of people driving in from Westside Amundon. So Irma should be an interesting, interesting night. I'm hoping, you know, like Lumsden, Lumsden was a full house, right? It wasn't a table that was empty. And it was a cool, like, first, like, okay, this is what it is. But last night in Hank's Tavern in Bradwell, Saskatchewell, which is honestly about 20 minutes 20 minutes out of Saskatoon yeah probably about that like for the people in lloyd it's like driving out to helm on except when you get to hillmont there's this hank's tavern you know the original bar is 1908 Hank who owns it now has ran it for the last 14 years in the

middle of covid she stayed open and it became like this kind of freedom bar if you would and i'm like why is no why have i never heard of this place because it's cool you know um uh very nice well set up plays clean, Hank, who was short for Henriette, I think, right? Henry. She said that the wife of the drummer of the Northern Pikes gave her that nickname when they were bartending together in Confedda and Saskatoon back in the day. Yeah. Cleanest bathrooms I think I've ever seen in any restaurant.

I'm talking like you go into any of the upscale restaurants, you know, like sometimes you can go in and you kind of stinks, kind of like, what's that? The trash isn't taken out, et cetera, et cetera. Here's this old bar. Decorate to the nines for Halloween. Got a big Halloween bash going on there. And then she has no idea who we are. So we walk in, you know, we're sitting there talking.

Yeah, it's basically, can I help you? Yeah, we're here for the show tonight. We're here for the show tonight. Yeah, you're a little worried. No, no, no, no, it's where we are the show, I guess we should say. That's right. That's right. And so I guess what I'm getting to is if you are heading towards Saskatoon, you should do yourself a favor and stop in and see Hank.

Tell her, we sent you. And just saddle up to the bar for one. and meet Hank and carry on and you know and like say thank you for what you did because by all accounts from the people we heard around clvette allen saskatoon they all said the same thing in the middle of COVID in the darkest days she let everybody in the guiding light that's right yeah and it's just little little tiny uh sideways h shaped bar that great i mean the nice thing for us is it was it was fun but there was literally people around one of the corners of the age who were there listening, even though they couldn't in seat.

Yeah, it was standing room only last night. Now, you know, it would be like playing a junior A game in the Hillmont Arena versus the Civic Center, right? Like the Civic Center, you get a thousand people in there. That's full. You put a thousand people, if you could, in the Hillman Rink. It is jammed, and it is everybody on top of each other. We played in the Hill Marn Rink last night. It was a cool, cool atmosphere.

And if you go there Monday nights, apparently she's going to start streaming the mashup live. Yeah, hopefully. Which is super cool. I think that'll be the first bar that does it. I don't know. I don't know how many other bars want to do it, but you all should. Yeah, if you got a bar and you're listening to it. So everybody here is a bar owner.

Start doing it. Yeah, Monday nights, the Tuesday mashup anyway. So two shows in, what have been your thoughts, Tuesday? I'm still not great at reading crowds. And especially last night, just the way they had the lights set up, which is good for everybody because they could see us really well. But we couldn't see back into the crowd. And it's funny because I was like, I don't know.

Are we dying? You know, because I don't hear too well either. So I'm not even sure how much people are laughing. And, you know, you kind of realize actually part way through that, oh, no, no, no, this is totally working. And everybody seemed really happy about it. And I had a group of buddies there who, if it sucked, they would have been the first one to tell me. And they would have raised the shit out of me over it. And they thought it was really good and well done.

And so, you know, you got those guys you know for 20 years who are going to be your tough as critics telling you that it was well done. I don't know. You know you've got something, I guess, is what I should say. Yeah. That's what we're figuring out. It's a thing of small improvements. Cooper, Truppow. Troopo?

No, there's no, it's T-R-O-P-E-A-U, Tropow. Okay. This is what I did. I teased him at the start because I'm like, I keep trying to say his last name. I can't do it. But they've got French roots. So you know how toos feels about the Quebec? The French, I should say.

Regardless, he got up there after us. So it was the first time we've ever had like, you know, so the first night it was just an hour. We got up stage, hour and 15 actually. And then it was just done. That was it. You know, the karaoke came back on whatever. Everybody sat around and had a couple drinks and whatever. They were not karaoke efforts?

Well, they had the machine going. I would have totally done that if I'd have. noticed. And last night we had, we actually had Cooper get up on stage and sing for a boat, probably an hour, an hour and 15. Man, he, you know, he did, did some covers, he did some Colter Wall, he did some Oliver, Oliver Anthony. He did some of his own music, and it was just, it was good. It was a foot tap of music. Like, he did a really good job. So that was, that was a really cool part, too, because it added in a little bit extra. We were done, and then he came on, and we were the opening act in our own show, which, you know, it's funny.

Yeah, we finally get our own show, and we're opening. for somebody else even in our own show. It was fun. It was a cool night. And so thanks to everybody. You know, I talked the first time we're on here about Henry and Jamie Sinclair and, of course, you know, all the group that came from all over the place, you know, in Lumsden. And, yeah, I don't know.

There's just a ton of people on the podcast and some sponsors. You know, Ariel Garden Girl was there. And just the fact that good people should. up and it was really cool and so and we drive out to uh first it's a farm near alan we went to blake uselman's and you know his funny rolled out the red carpet rolled out the red carpet for us you know i've never he's like you know somebody's like well how do you know blake i'm like i don't know the podcast right and blake's going yeah we've never met before i've texted him a few times and just happy you know we listen to him so we feel like we know i met sean's dad but i haven't

yeah well the funny story is he's in mexico and a guy gets him says hey he says hey you guys stops him and his wife and says, hey, could you take a picture of us? And so they get talking, and here it's my parents, you know, it's like a small world. And so that's the place we went for supper before the show last night. We got to shoot some skis out in the field, and it was just pretty cool. It was very cool.

I was hoping you were going to miss a few more, so that there was just a very clear differentiation. Like, I just wanted absolutely massacre you, but it ended up being pretty close. You ended up being pretty close. That's putting it easy on twos. Anyways, we showed up to Callan and his wife Sherry, right, Sherry? They put us up last night and it was Henry and Terry the first night.

And so we've been fed way too well. We've been treated way too good. And it's been fun in Saskatchewan. I'm excited for Irma. And Irma obviously being, as you're listening to this tonight. So we're heading there and we're going to have things set up and should be a fun evening. And hopefully people come and enjoy it. Yeah.

It's, we were talking about sort of the, did we talk about the small town effect on the last one? I don't know. When we were recording? Possibly. Okay. Well, never mind then. Next thing. No, no, no, we can talk about small town effect.

Well, I was just thinking about how when I lived in Saskatoon way back in the day, whenever there was some kind of a small town event nearby, anybody who went to it, presuming that it was something they really enjoyed, you know, rodeo dance or whatever else, right? be like, oh man, it was awesome. It was so good. And then you had all this kind of hype around this event because not a lot of people heard about it and because it was so much fun. And then you wanted to go to the one afterward, right?

Like the Lee Park Rodeo and Lloyd. Same kind of thing. You always, if you were stuck working, you always heard about it afterwards. And I think that, I hope, and I think that it's going to be a little bit of that. Well, I tell you, when I sent out the pictures on social media and stuff, like when I look at it, I'm like, man, it was full house both nights. Like last night, it definitely felt like it was a low ceiling, tight room. You know, like once again, playing in the Hillmont Bar.

Like, it was a ton of fun. But the vibe in both of them is like, that was a night that, you know, maybe it happens next year, but you just don't know what the future brings. There's three of them. For 2020, there's three shows. And the final one is Irma. And in a small town, you hope, you know, it's hockey season and everything else. So, you know, there's going to be some people that just can't make it and things like that.

but certainly as far as the Tuesday mashup goes, we're not doing this again until 2024. 20-24, yeah, although, I mean, it's pretty easy to say when it's practically November. But, yeah, I mean, there's going to be some things. There's going to be some people who have family commitments and stuff. Like, there was a guy who's hanging out with us all afternoon, but he couldn't make the show because he wasn't willing to put his kid up for adoption

so that he could come watch the show, and so he had to stay and look after. That's funny. I got people texting me right now, wondering what time the show in Irma is tomorrow. So it sounds like there's going to be a few people there, which will be a lot of fun. Yeah, I know my phone's kind of been going off. I got some stuff I got to check with. It's interesting when Nick was on here a few weeks ago and he was talking about how maybe not a big part, but a decent chunk of doing this sort of thing is making sure that people are aware and of the details.

You son of a bitch. You better not backwash in that. Apparently, Sean and I are just in a new level of familiarity where he's going to drink my fucking Gatorade. Tastes good. I'm parched. Yes. So, anyway. I haven't been drinking.

And I was saying this to Ken called this is smart. Are you going through puberty? Ken call this is smart. Ken call this is smart. And he goes, ah, how's things going? I'm like, well, I've been battling. I started sober October. So what am I now?

25, 26 days in whatever it is. Yeah. I've been sick the entire month pretty much. Which should tell you something. I feel like after these past two nights that I have to hang over. Like I'm just like, I'm tired, got a headache. I'm worn out. And yeah, I just drank Tuesday Gatorade and it was just a glass of heaven.

Like that right there was beautiful. Yeah. See, I'm doing all right. I'm a little tired just from everything leading up to me getting out here. That was a little bit draining. But, yeah, as far as that goes, I'm good to keep going. Right. I got a buddy in Lloyd, and he's probably going to want to hang out tonight, but I can't.

Because if we hang out tonight, I'll probably be waking up just in time to go on stage. Oh, you don't have to go on stage until 7.30 tomorrow. That's what I said. Yeah, okay, fair enough. You know, we were having, okay, I'm going to run the clock. So me and 2's talked all this morning, so this is the afternoon we're driving. And Toos probably has his thoughts on where this conversation is going, but I found this fascinating. So I go to Tuse, and you brought up Nick Vaughn-Dubbs, and for a lot of people, the Nick Von Dubs,

And for a lot of people, the Nick von Dubbs was a really interesting conversation. And Tuesdays along the road here has been saying, you know, like when we talk to different people, do you listen to Sean's podcast? Because, you know, I've been listening lots. And, you know, he's had some very interesting guests. And I finally said Tuesday on the ride this morning. I said, you know, you have never asked me about the whole Jesus thing. And so we've been having this discussion because Tews is an atheist, although I would say agnostic.

And I was wondering if we could carry on that discussion, at least for a couple seconds here. Well, it's almost over. Do you think it's really open? I said everything. Did we? I don't know. I'm going to make two's uncomfortable. I'm as well as comfortable as...

No, you're not going to make me uncomfortable. Basically, the thing about it is, is Sean was wondering why I hadn't... Yeah, why hasn't... Why I haven't broached the subject. And, you know, it's the kind of thing I used to... Talking to like... I used to be quite involved with this stuff, and... What do you mean?

Quite involved. Sunday school teachers used to do the children's message. Can you imagine Tews giving the children's message, folks? What a... I bet you made that interesting. I did, actually. Yeah, a lot less F-bombs. Well, obviously, but I mean, to me, I'm like,

you know, if there's one thing Tews doesn't... You don't go lightly into any situation, so I can just imagine Sunday school was a real riot. It was quite interesting. and because I didn't really have a whole lot of format and I was teaching some of the older kids. How old are you at this point? I'm 41.

No, no, no, no. When you're teaching, sorry. Man, you're so literal. Sorry, I heard you wrong. We're driving in a car and I heard you wrong. I apologize. I would have been, I don't know, plus or minus a couple years because it was going on for a while, but 20.

Okay, so you're 12. And when you say older kids are like you're talking to teenagers, early 20s. No, like the great six, five, six kids. Oh, okay, okay. Okay, painting me a picture. And so I was like, well, you know, I mean, we got this lesson. It's pretty easy. Here's some of the cool notes because I guess even back then I was good at running through a lot of information quickly in terms of meetings and instruction,

whatever else. I was like, but I was challenging them to get them to pick my brain. You know, what kind of stuff? Sure, I've got this. module we can go through, but what's interesting, what, what stuff do you want to learn about? What, what questions have you always wanted to ask, right? And that's, that's one of the things that I found really difficult was that I was interested in asking a lot of questions and there was so much stuff where it was just taking on blind faith and you're like, well, you never want to just pull this

thread, see where it goes, try and explore it like, oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm just not going to question any of it. and yeah it was so anyway as far as shaw goes i i think it's wonderful that he's getting into it it's it's not for me and i've seen a lot of people get some really positive outcomes from moving in that direction and for moving towards jesus christ and i don't really want to i'd like to see him you know it's funny it's funny as opposed to me souring the experience with my own opinion of thinking it's not mine. I was teasing last night that Toos was a little hungover,

and he was a little docile, you know, like in a relationship with the wife, you know, is unrelenting. And finally, you're just like, okay, hon, I'm going to do whatever. So last night I was like, I felt like I was wearing the pants to the relationship for the second show because Tews was just, he was a little docile to start, so I was poking him, fraud, and whatever. And it's funny, I just go, I don't know if I've ever seen Tews, cry and dance the mic a little bit.

You're dancing the mic a little. bit and that's interesting. Do I have two as uncomfortable? No, you don't you don't really have me uncomfortable. It's just it's interesting to try and figure out how I can, I've never really tried to articulate this very much. And so I'm trying to come up with, it's not, on this side, on the flip side, I've never tried to articulate it that much either. That's what's uncomfortable. And so, anyway, it's, it's a departure from what I'm usually used to, which is I've thought about whatever we're talking about in current events, I have a stance where I have a lack of a stance

and I have a justification for it that I've reasoned through. And the exploration for this stuff has been an inner monologue. It hasn't been about how I can express it. And it's also interesting because I'm not really trying to convince anybody one way or another. I'm just trying to say, hey, this is where I'm at. Well, and the thing was, that's not where my question came this morning Because what happened was, how this all starts, folks, is my mom starts texting me saying, we're swearing too much. And I'm like, swearing too much.

Oh, I don't even know what she's talking about. And Tuesday is like the show. And I'm like, she wasn't at the show last night. He's like, moron. We were talking on the podcast yesterday. And I'm like, oh, all right. You know, and so I don't know how we got down this. And finally, I just said, you know, you never asked.

Because, you know, like, we do a ton of things. You listen to me a ton. You know, and I was saying it's similar to COVID. So my, I got lots of good friends. who in the middle of COVID, we're still good friends. Or acquaintances. I don't mean like my nearest friends.

Like, just acquaintances. And in the middle of COVID, they had to have known where I stood. Like they just had to them, but they never, ever brought the subject up. And if they didn't want to bring it up, I was fine.

I wasn't going to ram it down their throat. That's fully fine, you know? And ever since, ever since I started talking about Jesus, it's the same way. Some people, so in COVID, if you knew it with the way I stood, some people would be walking a room

and they see you and they come running over, shake your hand. and they won't have a chat, right? I'm sure, too, is you have the same experience with certain things. And that was COVID. And some other people, would you'd shake your hand and be cordial, but they'd never bring up COVID.

They'd talk about sports or, you know, maybe going out and hunting or whatever, the, you know, whether they're or whatever, right? And now this Jesus thing is interesting because certain people, there's two last night, came up, immediately wanted to talk about it. And that's interesting. And then there's a whole bunch of people that shake your hand, and want to talk about lots of different things, but never that. And I go, oh, it's interesting.

And so what I was saying at 2's is, why have you never asked? Just curiosity, that's all. I'm not trying to ram it down your throat. And I don't, you know, when you're like, I don't need to convince you. I'm like, I don't want you to convince you. I'm just kind of curious of why something that we never talk about. Now, in the mashup, it makes sense. The mashup doesn't have.

Yeah, it's not as though there's breaking news. It's not as though Jesus is showing up. in random places all over the, and we've got to cover that as a weekly thing, right? Well, I mean, when the aliens were coming, there was a video circulating on Twitter that Jesus

had arrived, and it was like a hologram in the sky. Do you see that? I thought about bringing that up to you, but I just chuckled about it. I mean, so, you know, you say Jesus isn't everywhere, and I'm like, I can hear some people and they might, they might argue it. Well, there's going to be people who are going to say,

well, what about things like stigmata, or whatever else, right? What about when he shows up at a slice of bread or a tomato or when statues start bleeding or whatever else, right? You're just against it all? No, I'm not against at all.

It just doesn't resonate with me. I feel like there's not really anything that I would have any issues explaining from a scientific standpoint. So here's what I was trying to get out of this morning. And I still don't know. I'm actually trying to...

At what point do you go from teaching Sunday school? Can you, like, pinpoint a day? Is it not a day? Is it a series of years where you go, this is all a bunch of malarkey, and I'm not into it. Not that it's all a bunch of malarkey. I'm not shit-talking any of this stuff.

I don't mean to make it. I'm just saying that... I don't mean to make it out like you're shit-talking. You just don't believe in it. You're agnostic or atheist, meaning you're doing... You start learning about other relationships. You see some of the threads of commonality, how they all develop the same way, how you've got this survivorship bias based on or inherent in the stories there.

Like Jordan Peterson loves to talk about especially the Old Testament stuff, and this is touching on what we were discussing before. But you guys haven't heard it yet. It's talk about how well crafted a lot of the Old Testament stories are. Like, well, a fucking course they are because these are stories that were literally told. for thousands of years. So you're going to have this implicit honing of it as they get passed down where people are going to drop the parts that don't tell very well and they're going to tweak and improve even with phrasing and things like that, the stuff that does work well and then you're going to end up with a very well-crafted story that is going to stand the test of time and people are going to

say, okay, well, what about the Dead Sea Scrolls? They did a lot of verification of the fact that the oral history and the written history track really well. Well, they do up to a certain point, but there's still a thousand years of unwritten stuff before that. And, you know, just as a random example, right, where like, okay, well, this, it makes sense that it came out this way, right? It stands to reason that the biggest religion in the world is shaped this way if you looked at what it would have been in terms of a natural evolution.

and why things like Zoroastrianism, for example, which is the first religion to have a messianic figure born of a virgin, is more or less died out entirely. So once again, I just, I don't know, maybe I'm dense. I could be dense. So what you're saying is you did a ton of research, and you came to the conclusion. It's not as though I was recent. It was just, it was something that I was really interested in,

and I wanted to learn more about it. And then as I learned more about it, I was just thinking and then, well, not literally meditating, but meditating on this stuff and trying to process it and you're looking through more and more of it. You're like, the more I learn about this, the less I think it's for me. Because I'm the opposite, you know, one of the things I was asking too is doesn't bother him. That I, like, certainly have I learned about Zoroastrianism. It's funny you say that.

I remember learning about it in college and, you know, there's some other things I've learned. But like on the... In Wisconsin? Yeah. On the grand scheme of things, I am about a zero knowledge on all this. And for me, I've just done some things and I'm like, oh, okay, I like that. I'm going to keep doing that. And we'll see what it does.

And this is where, you know, you judge a tree by the fruity bears. To me, it's like, okay, that makes sense. That actually makes a lot of sense. And so then you just start playing it out. And I've been playing it out now for, I don't know, eight months. It's a little more than that. It's a little less than that. I don't know if it really matters.

I don't know all the incidents. I certainly haven't looked into all the different isms or religions or anything. I just go, maybe they're all going the same direction. Maybe they all end at the same thing. But, geez, I feel like I've struck on one. Like, this makes sense to me. And so I'm like the complete opposite of you. Because I grew up in a, I grew up in church all my life.

Hated it. Left there, never had an inkling of any. And here I am all the way back again. And I go, huh, that's a really interesting thing. and so I just curious that's all because we sit and we talk it a lot but when you you know

with friends in COVID and I always come back to COVID because like certain friendships could handle it certain friendships could not handle it certain times you couldn't get it out the right way where it just you weren't so irritated with the other person and them irritated with you but when we don't talk about things

that are really important we put ourselves into places like COVID like where bad things are happening, we're not talking about it. Now, I don't, do I know if that's not talking about religion? I just know it's important. And it seems to be important to me right now. And I was just curious.

So I'm just letting the listener in on what we were talking about this morning. Basically for me, on this particular subject, we're going in or going or have gone completely opposite trajectories. Right? And I would say so. And I think that where you're going, there's a lot of really good possibility for you to get a lot of really good fulfillment, sense of community, knowledge, expand your personal fate. There's a lot of upsides to where you're going and what you're doing. And it's not my jam, I guess.

And so I don't want to run the risk of souring the experience for it. you. And this is where I get to. This is just me personally. Maybe I'm wrong of us. Yeah, I don't think you could sour it. I don't think there's anything you can say. Absolutely. Because you could be, you could be the opposite. You could be a devout Christian right now. And you could, you could almost sour it for somebody. Yes. Yep. Absolutely. Right. Fair enough. Me and Tanner Nadee had this argument the first time I was on. Mike, you know all the talk of Armagedgan and what really bothers me is it feels like

you've got to get this. You got to, you're going to die. You got to do. You've got to do. saying that about everything that happens for the last couple thousand years, though. In all fairness, this is Armageddon. We're living in unprecedented times. There's never going to be anything like this again. People were saying it about the Black Plague. People have said it about so many things. This is right out of revelation.

You hear it quite a lot, and it never comes true. It's at the risk of making very, at the risk of making a lot of people shut this off right now, it sounds kind of a lot like climate change predictions. Right? And that's, so you run into this. Do you think, do you think you can offend the podcast audience?

Well, you can't, I'm sure you can offend them, but do you think you, about this? I probably could. Sure. I'm not,

I'm not trying to, to be clear, right? No, no, no, but when I say that, I'm the one pushing on you to talk more about it

because we were having an interesting chat before we stopped and visit with your father. And I'm like, I'm kind of wanted to pick that back up. Because I think it might, you know, rehashing what we'd happen last night and everything is interesting and all, just to give everybody an update. What we were talking about this morning was really interesting to me.

And I keep saying, I don't care what comes out of two's mouth. And I'd hope there's a lot of people like this. You know, like, it's not going to change what I've experienced and what I've been learning and everything else. Absolutely. But I am curious about it because I respect to your opinion. I'm sure there's a lot of people who, even when I said that, they're like, well, this is different or something like that. And that's fair. Look, I'm not going to take.

it away from you. All I'm saying is that there's been quite a lot of people over a long time period who've had the same thought in the same direction about a completely different topic, right? And so it's interesting and it's difficult because you've got this book where you're reading it and you're looking for meeting in your life and it's a pretty big book and it's pretty easy to find things that are going to have corollaries to where you're at in life, where the world is, all this different stuff. And it's... So you think it's kind of like...

What's the Denzel Washington movie, folks, where he... There's been quite a few. No, no, no. The Equalizer? No, come on. We're talking about the Bible, man. The one where... Oh, shoot, I know which one he mean, but I can't remember what it is.

The Book of Eli. Oh, I was thinking of a different one. I never saw that. At the end of the book of Eli, they put the Bible in beside the Quran and everything else, right? It's just another book. Okay. So that's where you're at. No, no, not necessarily.

There's lots of really good stories in there. There's lots of interesting things. But why are you saying not necessarily? I'm not saying it's just another book. I'm saying it's better than a lot of books out there. Have you ever read the Twilight books? It's way better. Yeah, but it's a good book.

It's a great book. It's a book. I mean, it's a good book. maybe even the good book, if you will. It's been variously ascribed as that. I'm just saying, as this particular example goes, when people are running you, I'm just curious.

The one thing I can't do right now is I can't, I don't know why I want to nail you down to this. I'm just trying to figure out, you go, I'm atheist. And then I'm like, nah, but you're kind of more like agnostic. You're not saying there's no God, you're saying you can't prove there's a God. And then we get talking longer and you go, you know, this has been thought and these things have been thought and it's this, okay, fair enough. So it's just a book. Well, maybe not.

Okay. No, I'm not saying it's got any preternatural powers or anything like that. All I'm saying, it's a very good book. But when people are looking for meeting in their lives and they're looking for meeting in this book and they try and bring them together, it's really easy to draw parallels to whatever's happening around themselves. and oh God is taking an active stance in the war against Ukraine war between Ukraine and Russia is he probably not maybe he is have you ever had anything in your life that you thought was like no that's the whole point that's where I'm going with this

there hasn't really been anything where I haven't been able to to explain it or reason through it or look at even though we haven't figured by any means nearly all of them out yet any laws of nature that that have been able to take away, there's not really anything that's left unexplained in any big way that Christianity or anything else can tackle for me. Interesting.

You know, one of the things that really bugs me to this day is why when I prayed at 36 years old, I felt heard something back. I went at 16 when I was like desperately trying to do that, nothing to talk back. That was really interesting. to me. I mean, that's, I'm not in your head. I'm not, I can't speak to it, right? All I'm just saying is that from my end, this, this is, this is where I'm at and this is how it's, I don't know.

I appreciate you talking about it. I could tell I'm making you uncomfortable and that's cool. No, it's, and to be clear, it's not uncomfortable like I'm feeling cagey and I want to dodge the question. It's just that I haven't really thought about articulating it to the point where I could make a compelling representation of my thoughts. In fairness, if you were on the other side asking me all these things, just to give you a little piece of mind, probably the hardest thing about it is trying to articulate what the heck I'm thinking, right? That's probably fair.

And in fairness, we're talking about something that is so, like, it's very deeply personal. Deeply personal. I'm not saying you're getting, like, I have no issues as far as the sharing of it goes. I just feel like I could be doing it better. Yeah, well, I think we can always get better. Our shows could get better, right? Like, I mean, we're like, oh, yeah, these have been great shows. Like, could it be better, always?

So, I mean, I don't know. I'm pulling you into an uncomfortable conversation, which is, you know, like a guy who believes in God and a guy who doesn't believe in God. I mean, it doesn't get any more, like, you know, when you get married to someone, and I want to be clear, when Mel and I went through marriage,

I'm going to say count. Prep. Thank you. That's the word. You know, all these questions ask, money. I'm like, you haven't, like in my brain, and Mel and I talked about it. They put us in, you know, they give you these big questions, and they put you in a room to go talk about it, and you've got to come back and kind of share what you guys talk about.

We had talked about everything. Even faith. I just. But not money. But in fairness, it wasn't framed. No, we talked about everything. Money, kids. Oh, sorry.

Yeah. But one of the big ones they talk about is faith. Do you believe in God? And at the time, if. I would have been honest. I would have said I don't believe in God. But you were doing it in a church, presumably. Well, we were doing in the Catholic church, and I was fine with it.

And I was like, sure. This is what I got to do to marry this woman. I'm willing to do whatever I'm going to do. You're lying on your taxes so you can get a refund kind of thing. Except, yeah. Okay, I get it. I get it. Yeah.

So we're talking about one of the deal breakers for couples, at least from a church's standpoint, you know, this is a deal breaker. And I would say a lot of people say that is a deal breaker. Do you want to have kids or not? If you never want to have kids and the other person wants five, I can sit here and tell you that's a deal breaker, folks, right? If somebody is horrendous with gambling, drinking, money, you know, like if you can't. Or really, really good at those things. Sure.

Or promiscuity, right? Like those are things. Yeah, promiscuity tends to put a damper on marriage. So I just come to it and it's like, well, this is an uncomapeutic. conversation. I keep teasing you because I'm just like I guess I'm getting more comfortable with the thought of like having disagreements about if there is or isn't. And I guess I go, I don't want anybody to ever think that I think I've got to the point on this podcast where no matter what is said by anyone, no one person ever makes up my mind anything. I just find it interesting. And I want to, I think people realize this by now. The fact that you come on every week and I give you as much. We share a lot. Yeah. And you've become the. the only guest who comes on every week. There's no one else. Like, I respect what you say.

I have a lot of time for the thoughts coming out of your brain. And I just came back to him. I'm like, I wonder why he's never asked. It's like, it's very curious. And so you've shared a lot and I've held you on it. So we can move on to something different. I just, I was just curious, that's all.

Fair enough. All right. Now it's going to be funny to see, you know, people are going to be coming up for you. So it'll be interesting to hear people's thoughts about that. Yeah, sure. I don't, I don't know. know, like, I don't share my thoughts to, I don't know, I got to think about that.

Am I sharing my thoughts to convince others, or am I just sharing my thoughts because it means a lot to me? I kind of go with the second one, right? It means a lot to me. And the things that means a lot to me, I want to share with my friends. Kind of like when the Oilers are having a great season. It's like it's easy to talk about. No, it isn't, because it hasn't happened in decades. And if there's, says the guy whose team didn't make the playoffs, and they just canned everybody.

Honestly, they, I get the whole Christianity thing because you're wanting the Oilers glory days to be resurrected. Here's the thing is it's been a lot more than three days. And that tomb is, yeah, the corpse is, yeah. We had talked about wanting to talk about this Alberta pension issue. Yeah, well, I've been getting lots of texts about it, you know. on whether it's a good idea. Why for or not? And I don't know,

twos what's your thoughts on Alberta getting its own pension plan? Absolutely. But I feel like no one's going to let it happen because it's going to be the pedal at the start of a, at the top of a mountain that turns into a snowball at the bottom. Because if you think about it,

so the issue is, is nobody's really disputing the fact that Alberta pays in disproportionately more than they take out. You'll have people like Andrew Coyne when he's on an issue at CBC intentionally misrepresenting it and nobody on them calling them on it, but you've got a panel full of people in fucking Ottawa and Quebec who probably don't even understand how it works. So maybe that's conceivable, right? But now you've got the Ontario finance minister wanting to have an emergency. see sit down. Nathan,

or, shoot, the Alberta finance minister, sorry, I'm missing his last name, saying, hey,

you know what, we can sit down and we can have a good faith discussion about this, right? And you got Randy Bessonaut saying, well, if you guys leave,

there's no coming back. Sounds like, I don't know, a petulant, shitty spouse. It's like, well, fine then. Just go. You'll be sorry. Meanwhile, you, you won't. Right. And Trudeau saying in an open letter, he's going to fucking stop it. Why, if it was not in Alberta's best interests, if it was a bad idea for Alberta, do you not think that Trudeau would be

like, hey, this is a great idea. You guys should totally fucking do it. Right. The problem is, is that when this happens, either the taxes, not that they're literally income tax, but your payroll deductions in the rest of Canada would go up. And or the amount of money available to you as a retiree would go down. So the rest of Canada gets put in a situation where they have to start forking out extra money to disproportionately pay for this. And so he's going to start leading on Ontario because that's the next logical one. And it's just going to work out that now Ontario is paying way more into it than they're getting out.

And they're going to say, oh, yeah. Okay, so Quebec isn't it anymore. Alberta stopped paying for everything. They want us to pay for it all. That doesn't really work. I think we're going to leave too. And then the next one's BC. And then Saskatchewan.

And then you're left with Manitoba, the Maritimes, and Newfoundland. who are either going to all have to be paying a fuck of a lot more than they're used to, getting a lot less or all of the above. Pretty much the only way I see Trudeau getting out of this is if he stops taking it from being a payroll deduction and starts having it as something that the government just pays for. It's just an undifferentiated part of your taxes. because if this was to happen, the entire Canada pension plan would fall apart within a few years. And you would have Alberta, Ontario, Saskatchewan, BC having successful provincial ones.

And everybody else being not screwed over, but just getting a fair amount, which is a lot less than what they were hoping for. And then it's going to get the ball rolling. Well, if it's like that with pensions, it's probably like that with a lot of other things. And you're going to have to see people pulling threats rather than just taking things for granted saying, oh, well, this is just how it is. Well, what might it look like if we were to take care of ourselves a little bit more instead of paying for all of this so that some guy in a home 2,000 miles away and have a more comfortable retirement.

Why is it coming out of my pocket? What else might this look like? What else would work for that? Nate Horner is the Alberta Finance Minister. So it kind of just starts these dominoes falling. And there's a reason why if it was a good idea for Ontario, they wouldn't be wanting to have an emergency meeting

to try and stop this. They would be saying, oh yeah, yeah, go nuts, sure, whatever. Have fun. and people should realize and recognize this for being what it is, which is that if the rest of Canada really wants this to not happen, it probably means that Alberta has a valid criticism of the current system. And if they have a valid criticism of the current system, maybe that should be addressed. And there are other criticisms of the current systems probably have some veracity contained in them as well. I don't know.

What do you think? Well, I don't disagree with any. For the most part, what you said. Like, I mean, it's whether or not this can be done or not. It can absolutely be done. Well, then, I mean... The interesting thing is how it sells. So it's just getting people talking about it and getting, you know, interested in it.

It's like, honestly, I yawned when you started talking. I'm like, you know, we're going to pension plant. It's just, it's not this crazy, like, raw, raw thing. except you've pointed out. It's a very important discussion that Albertans need to pay attention to. It's no different than in the middle of the show is when I bring everybody back to censorship. And you're trying to scoop me along, and I'm going, I get it. We can go back to laughing here?

But for one second, can we talk about something that's very important? Just because it was a lot more than one second, you were kind of beating a dead horse last night. I just wanted to keep it moving. Yeah, but it's funny. Here we are talking about the Alberta Pinch Plan. And we just scoot along and just make mention of it. Or we can take the five minutes we need. Two more than five minutes.

Because the other interesting question is how does it get sold, right? How does, because Daniel Smith, the UCP, they want this to happen, which is good. But now how do you sell it on people? And I would say that Trudeau did a good job of selling people on it with that open letter, not fully realizing the implications of it. And Danielle Smith is probably slow playing that to see Ontario's finance minister jumps in. Probably a few more people are going to jump in. And then she's going to say, look at all these fish we caught and look what it means.

Whereas, I mean, I was surprised that she didn't point out how poorly laid out Trudeau's letter was. But here you go. If she'd have done that right away, you probably wouldn't have the Ontario Finance Minister jumping in. It would have stood back. Right? And then she wouldn't have nearly as much ammo. So I wonder how long she's going to slow play this before she actually. shows that this is all why Alberta is getting a raw deal on this.

And what her ultimate... I don't think she's done a great job of selling it thus far, but she surprises me. And so maybe coming out with, I would say, a fairly tepid awareness campaign is part of a long-term awareness campaign. I'm not sure. Well, she's got to play chess.

That's the thing. If there's one thing about government we've learned, is they play chess with all of us. And so I'm looking at it and wondering how many moves ahead of me she's thinking. No, she's thinking multiple moves ahead of you. Like, there's no knock on twos. There's no knock on any of you. Like, it's, you know, like, I come back to Saskatchew.

They get planned parenthood out of the schools. And then immediately they get sued, right? I don't know how many people paid attention to them getting sued. Everybody was having a victor party because they had their, party parent plan parent it out okay so plan parenthood had a breach of contract or what they're the they're the ones who brought in the a to z sex cards so within a week yes so now that they're out of now that they're out of schools do they get a breach of contract uh is it is it dispute resolution i haven't heard about this suing thing what so then they filed it they filed an injunction

saying i don't know human rights violation is it not something about uh trans lives and and once again somebody from Saskatchewans is on me but just let me finish my thought here okay you keep jumping in on me let me finish a thought and so what I said was if the Saskatchewan government was smart because nobody can understand they said they only had 18 letters

of complaint against what happened in Lumsden when they had thousands of people show up and vote against it we all saw that the election in Lumsden sent a shockwave through Sask government 23% of people in a 70 some percent

the previous time Conservative voted for the Sask United. That's a big deal. And so I looked at that and we all went, well, why didn't they bring that up? Why didn't they bring up a bunch of other things? And I said, well, to me, if I'm Scott Moe and the Saskatchewan government, what is called? You want to pretend that the Sask United Party doesn't even exist? Doesn't exist. And so you go, okay, we're playing chess.

We are the governing party. We want to hold power because we believe what we're doing is right, okay? None of those are like crazy thoughts. That just makes sense. Well, except for the last part. I would say that it's probably fairly infrequently that politicians believe what they're doing is right. I think that more often than not, they believe what they're doing will get them to continue to receive paychecks. Sure.

So if you look at it, if they squash and they send bill, like, I mean, look at the Coots 4. The government doesn't seem to care about what's right or wrong there. They have an agenda and they're holding those guys. It's been 600 plus days. we're still waiting on this envelope. We're still waiting on all this stuff to see if they're going to get out because they should.

So I go, some law group out of Ontario is suing Saskatchewan government for LGBT-2SL reasons. Well, they could probably do the exact same thing and just be like, now we're not interested in, send 10 lawyers in there,

50 lawyers in there, a billion dollars in there if they really wanted to. But what they're going to do is they're going to lose the court case. It's going to be, they're going to gladly concede, And if you listen to anyone around it, they were ill-prepared.

The government was ill-prepared. Well, of course they were. They planned on just slow-playing this into the fall and hoping people forgot about it. No, no. I'm trying to tell you what I thought would happen. And when I thought what happened was they lose the court case. Everybody gets riled up again, which is going to grow the Saskia United support. And then they come over the top with the notwithstanding clause,

and everyone applauds them for it, and it brings support back to Saskia United. And that is what played out. Now I'm not saying I'm a genius. I'm saying to me that's playing politics. You're going to be given a bunch of opportunities to try and garner support back. And everyone is talking about the notwithstanding clause. Not that getting sued and how poorly you did in court, but how you used force and stood up for parents.

And now they've taken the narrative back. And once again, the Sask United now has to regroup and get their stuff in the role because we're what, a year away from a little over a year away from election in Saskatchew. in Saskatchewan that we're going to cover Yep And they have to find a way If you're the SaaS party They go we just got to find a way to win the next election

Because then we get four years again to You know to go all the way down Pass the buck Right Figure it out And in three and a half years We worry about whether you're doing a good job or not Correct

So when you comes to Daniel Smith She's one of the most calculated leaders I've seen in our country Yep So you bet you she's trying to figure out How she gets it Put to a referendum where Alberta gets to leave or where the rest of Canada sees the power she wields

so that she can pull back a bunch of responsibilities that are already a provinces. They are, and this is where it gets really interesting, is when you look at what she's been doing, or what the Alberta government has been doing in terms of bringing out awareness for this thing, I guess it's not at all what I would think would be the logical response, which is hammer people on the map. Talk about how even if there's a published paper from a socialist economist saying that they're entitled to it best double the amount per capita that the rest of Canada is. Those are the kind of things that I would expect her to talk about and going gun blazing.

And instead there's been this nothing burger disappointing non-starter awareness campaign. and there's just a few billboards with nothing really snappier, interesting on them. And so I'm looking at it, and I'm saying, generally speaking, whenever Danielle Smith has been doing something that doesn't make a lick of sense to me, it's not like when the NDP are doing it,

and I'm like, well, it's because they're stupid. It's because she's thinking further ahead than I am, and I'm not grasping the intricacies of these early stages. That's interesting. That's an interesting observation. So what do you think she's playing at there? Well, like I said before, I think, and then even when Trudeau came out with that letter, I'm like, okay, this is great. He just teed up the biggest softball you could imagine.

And she lets it go by. But now all of a sudden, there's two softballs flying at her very slowly with Ontario now. And Newfoundland was chiming in about it. And so now you're getting more and more ammunition, which is tricky because there's such a short shelf life on Canadian politics nowadays. If you're not talking about something within a couple days of it happening, nobody gives a shit anymore. There's nothing more frustrating to me than when we do a mash-up Monday night and Tuesday or Wednesday a big story breaks, by the time we're talking about it again, everyone's forgotten or moved on past it. or someone else will have come up with the same ideas about it that we had. But she's collecting these eggs, knowing full well that they're going to sour in a little while,

or at least lose their potency. And I'm curious to see why she's doing it and where she's going with it. Because I'm guessing what I would do is I would talk about how the fact that these people are worried about losing money for their provinces, is because we're giving those provinces more money. Right? And the other thing is, in terms of the management, so she's getting pushed back from the hedge fund company that manages the Canada Pension Plan.

And I thought, well, wouldn't it be interesting if one of the ideas being floated around was for them to take that exact same money that this company stands to lose a lot of, annual income from managing, said, we're going to keep it with the Canada pension plan in the same allocations with the same company, but it's ours and not theirs. So the NDP argument if they want to steal your pensions, we're not touching it. We're literally following whatever the direction is of the Canada pension plan. It's just that the differentiation of whose money

is what changes. Because it completely invalidates the ludicrous argument that the NDP have, which is you can't trust these politicians to manage your pension. You have to trust those politicians to manage your pension. And so, I don't know, there's a few different neat options that they could explore. And I imagine that over the next little bit, it's going to be a little bit of almost what the liberals do where they'll just have people float ideas and they'll see what gets picked up and what gets handled but part of what Daniel Smith likes to do is take away the NDP's teeth on things before

they realize that there's something they're interested in biting and she hasn't done that with this and again the logical thing would just be like well what if we just managed it the same way but changed whose money it was the NDP has no more counter argument anymore. But she hasn't done that. She hasn't even floated the idea. Why not? I'm sure she thought of it. If I've thought about it, she has. So why is none of this happening yet? What's the slow play? You've been quiet for a very long time. Well, I just, to me, if I could, you know, like, I'm sure there's ramifications of pulling out, bringing all the things back to Alberta, Saskatchewan, pick your property.

Robbins. The truth of the matter is at this point, I don't trust anything Ottawa touches. So sending them any of our stuff, I'm just not, I'm not interested in anymore. And so... I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying it's an interesting idea to explore. Yeah, sure. I just look at it and I go, I'm probably on the far whatever side of this where I just go,

it can't happen fast enough. Yeah. Honestly, like... Have the referendum. I'll put my vote in. and if, you know, they don't use electronic voting machines or whatever, and we come out and they don't want it, I'll go, well, I mean, that sucks, but I think we should be pulling everything we can back to Alberta, back to the provinces,

because this is a big, you know, think of a bargaining table, and right now we have no bargaining chips. Like, we're this small little, we don't even get a seat at the table. We don't have any way. We're sitting on the outside listening to the meeting, sometimes not even in the meeting. Yeah, we don't have any way to affect outcome in the audience. Meanwhile, we're giving them the largest share. Yep.

Right? And so I just go, like, to me, I like what Danielle Smith has done. I don't, you know, are you always going to agree with everything a politician does and says? No. But overall, out of any politician in Canada right now, I'm thankful I have Daniel Smith. And so you go, if we can find a way to pull back more so we can, you know, she can do and protect us and push against the Canadian government, I'm all for it. Yep. For the record, I don't care what an Alberta pension plan would look like.

The answer is yes. It could literally just be, yeah, we're going to take all the money and burn it. Okay, at this point, yes, I like that idea better than Ottawa holding it over us. What do you think of Quebec trying to separate? Or not trying to separate, I should say. Well, you got the party, Quebec, trying to put forth a separatist timetable. It's interesting how you say this about, for example, the pensions.

Quebec can do something, but it's evil when Alberta wants to. But who thinks it's evil? Not just the establishment, status quo. Who stand to lose? So essentially, who owns the establishment? The liberals. And where is the liberal stronghold? Ottawa, Quebec.

So doesn't it, so doesn't it stand, I don't even know why it bothers you. Quebec doesn't get harassed. because they vote liberal and the liberals hold power and the liberal stronghold is that area

the liberals need to keep Quebec happy and that's the old guard and so all the old guard nobody gets upset with them because they control everything and they're the old guard and they're protecting their interests

so it's like to me at this point who cares what they think I sure don't but there's this illusion they try to create that their way of thinking is mainstream

and maybe it is where they are but it really drops off as soon as you get to the entire half of the country that doesn't grow maple trees. And so anyway, it's just, you've got all these people in Quebec. Remember, they had 50.01 wanting to stay. It was a razor thin margin on separation a generation ago. And now you've got people who are saying, hey, we want to be our own country. I say have it, right? look at all the equalization look at all of the wealth transfers everything that happens that is just

sending money to quebec so they quit fucking bitching about everything and a lot of them don't realize how high the number of dollars we send is and if that goes away right this this whole thing with randy bisinot and saying hey if you guys leave it's a one-way ticket if quebec's leaves it's a one-way ticket but we would love to pack their bags for them. Have you talked to a bunch of Quebec folk? Not politicians. I don't know some people in Quebec. And what do they think?

The ones that I talk to think that there's a lot of Quebecers that get force-fed, slanted media, and have no idea about equalization. And so they legitimately think that they end up paying for a lot of stuff and the rest of Canada, but without ever actually looking at the math. They just take it on blind faith and never read up their own research. And so they're in a situation where a lot of the support for Quebec separatism is based on shitty math. And an almost arrogant sense of entitlement. And it's not really arrogant in that they're being raggedocious.

It's this arrogance of assuming that you're right and never really happen to anybody. question you on it because what the fuck do you know right just just this belief that somewhere in your marrow is the righteousness without ever asking yourself if it's correct or not and so the whole Quebec thing is interesting because the politicians have to be aware of this on some level but again maybe not because the NDP you'd think that they'd have to be aware of how disasters their economic policies are and yet they still push them so I think I wonder if there's a bit of a combination in the party, Quebec Wah, where they're just thinking, some of them know that it's good for votes.

Some of them may fervently believe it to be useful idiots. But I feel like at that level where it's the politicians rubbing shoulders with each other, they don't really want to leave Canada. They just want to dangle the possibility in front of the rest of Canada. So the Canada says, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. What if we bought you a few more roads? What if we bought you a few more pavers? What if we helped you develop some new civil construction project?

Oh, yes, that would be how you say? Pien. And then they move forward with it. And then when they've got to pay for a bunch of extra shit again, they don't know how they're going to do it. They say, well, be a damn shame if we had to leave, wouldn't it? And then someone from Ottawa is going to come to their rescue and say, whoa, hold up.

And I don't know, it's the same thing we've been talking about protesters and how the next time someone glues their hand to a freeway. You don't rush in and save them and cut the glue and get them off in an ambulance. Because it just keeps happening and it keeps happening. What you really need to do is just set up some fucking pylons so the traffic can drive around it. And after that guy shat himself a few times, he's going to learn his lesson. and we need to let Quebec shit themselves instead of just shitting all over us. But I don't think it'll ever happen

because even the guys who push for it are probably going to know deep down that if they actually get what they purport to be chasing, they're going to fuck over the entire province and never ever be politically viable again and there's nothing more important to a politician than getting elected and reelected. Dude, you're doing a lot of thinking and not a lot of talking.

Am I boy, I understand this conversation? No, it's just interesting to me. I'm thinking about our entire conversation, you know, as you talk. And I'm like, we have such views on Quebec, but it's actually just a handful of Quebecers. Yeah. And then there's certainly, you know, there's some Quebecers that understand equalization payments and maybe how that goes along. Sure. But I

Quebecers who do understand They just want to just scream at a wall Whenever they hear this malarkey Right Because it's not as though it's just this uniform group There's some really cool people in Quebec People who have actually looked into this

And know that it's not the case And that they're a huge fucking welfare case And they don't want to be So I continue I just The way I look at is we've based each province off of what their politicians do, but we all know that politicians are out for themselves

and do whatever a loud minority scream, and we've already talked about how media's old establishment and push certain things and withhold things from us. So I go like, my whole view of Canada, if we took out the medium, which is media, and the elites, which is politicians and big big, business essentially, you know, I don't know, there's probably a couple other things I'm missing in their old wealth, maybe. I would say, like, you know, when it comes to independence, I don't

think any of us need to leave. The problem is where people are at is they can't see any which way in any of that happening. That's like a giant shift where all of a sudden governance just gets changed around in a heartbeat, you know? Look at, look at, I don't fall American politics near enough, not near as enough as some. When Donald Trump goes in, he walks around the world and love them or hate him, he shuts down a bunch of wars, he starts talking to people they'd never talk to and blah, blah, blah, blah. You go, can you imagine in Canada if all of a sudden you just had all these little groups that we were just talking in front of and know about, slowly water.

Not feeling alone, but joining up and banding together. Getting elected into positions, getting to the top of that, and all of a sudden they started talking and started going exactly what we're talking. You know, like, yeah, we haven't been talking to each other for a while. So I just thought I'd invite you over for coffee and maybe there's a way we could work together. Gee, that's such a unique idea. We're in a tough spot. I wonder how quickly Canada could change around.

How quickly Quebec could come into the fold. Or is that an impossible feat because of all the things that are in place in front of it? What are the focal early steps in that situation, right? You're not doing it in federal politics. Doing it in the smallest groups you can. things like school boards, counselors, right? Well, in order to be... Because that's where it's effective,

and then you can take that success and eventually have it trickle upwards. Well, you look at Daniel Smith, like, although she was the leader of the official opposition, the reason she's a great politician right now, a great orator, is I would argue, her time on radio. Yes. Where she had open line and had to juggle

how many different topics every day, and angly angry and angry listeners and tough questions and like go look into things and that's a I assume a very humbling position to be in to now be where she's

on the world stage and has more expertise than you know we always pick on Justin Trudeau is low hanging fruit. The guy was a failed drama teacher who what like what is he done to go around the world

and solve some people's problems? Probably close to Zilch. I would say probably a little bit more than zero. So if you get involved in your lowest level of governance, I mean the tiniest possible bit. Whatever that is, whichever way you get involved, in a couple of years,

you know, you're better. And maybe you can take on a little bit more. This is the Jordan Peterson thing about cleaning your room. It just when you talk about trickling it up, it does. But how much time does that take? And how much time do we have? No idea. I don't know. But that's that's where it goes and that's where it can come from. But is that going to be where it does come from when you've got all this downward pressure trickling the other way when you've got legacy media trying to report that they're still relevant and that their views hold merit and big cities forcing their culture

and beliefs on people thousands of miles away. Once again, I don't, I'm like, I haven't walked around Eminton and talked to like a bunch of Mintonians. Do you think it's like 90-10 of like our batch of crazy or do you think it's 50-50? Take the voting out of it. You know, everyone's like, well, they all voted NDP. It's like, well, if the government, I've talked to enough people that I respect somewhat. Well, I know. I respect them. I just have a hard time not getting around like, can't you see where this ends? But regardless, if the government says we're going to cut your jobs, we're going to go after these things, you can see why they vote for the places that are going to make that your way of life better.

Yeah. Okay? But I don't know why the governments don't do that, by the way. I was talking with John the other night, John Romick. And he was saying that the Saskatchewan Party is great for everybody in Saskatchewan, except for redundant middle management and crown corporations. And that's probably fair. And I imagine that's very true.

Why he doesn't get up there and literally say that in a press conference. though is beyond me. Just cut brass tacks and just lay it up. I'm here to be the best possible representative for everyone in Saskatchewan except for middle managers with redundant positions in Crown corporations. If you're one of those people,

you should probably vote for the Saskatchewan Party. How refreshing would it be to hear that? A straight shooter in politics? Well, that's why Donald Trump is so regaled? That's what I'm looking for? Right? Yeah, because he wanted to drain the swamp. Okay?

And Canada's got a pretty big fucking swamp too. And so I think that you're seeing stuff like this with how Danielle Smith disarms people in the media, with how Polyev can eat an apple and make some jackass look like a jackass just offhandedly.

They've gotten fat and slow in the media. And it's a great time to just blast right past them. Well, and they keep doing the same old bait and switch. Yep. Right? They bring in a story that they think is going to get it, but not nearly as many people.

Like, it's a dying breed. Now, the thing is, in their death spiral, they can do a lot of stupid things. That's where we get into, you know, the part where Toos says, I like to beat a dead horse in the show, but it's just really important. C-11, C-18, all the things coming down on censorship. It's like, me and you get to sit here and talk

and ride in a car and release it. And people get to hear it in less than 24 hours because of the lovely things that are going on in the world right now. Well, when something's dying, it shits itself. And if anything's nearby, it's probably going to shit all over it. And that's what legacy media is trying to do to everybody like us. But what the populist politicians haven't realized is, first of all, they need to push back on that label. And you say, well, what does populist mean? Same kind of thing with what Piole did.

and say, well, it's a politician that cares about representing the will of the people. When did that become a bad thing? Why do you think it's a bad thing? And where do you think your interests are that make you think that's a bad thing? And the reporter is going to do that same stummered bamb-b-b-b-b-pah-pah-b-pah that happened to Pollyev when he was eating an apple? It's teed up. It's right there.

And nobody's jumped on it yet. you don't even have to swing hard and you'll put it over the fence. Everybody keeps saying, everybody in legacy media, says populist is a bad thing. Get them to define it and ask him out, why in the great and glorious fuck do they think representing the will of people that you're supposed to represent

is somehow an evil trait? And if you do think it's an evil trait, is it perhaps conceivable that you have lost the plot somewhere along the way? Or you're just not doing your homework. In your, you know, I come all the way back to the word atheist. I just thought it meant something. Like, I just thought I knew what it meant. Until you go actually read the definition.

Well, I mean, there's a big difference between not believing in God and believing God does not exist. Yes. Well, but I'm just saying, like, all I mean by that is, like, with populist, if they say it in a certain connotation, you go... With the right inflection, it sounds almost like an epitaph. Yeah, like, you're just like, oh, yeah, that's a bad thing. And then somebody's... And then it takes somebody else to go, have you read the definition of populist? Well, no.

Okay, well, how about we read that first before we decide that that's a negative thing? Well, just before we decide what kind of thing it is, why don't you read it? And sure. Yeah, but same idea. Right. And so, yeah, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit, and you can pick it and eat it while you're talking to reporters right now. A person, especially a politician who strives to appeal to ordinary people

who feel that their concerns are disregarded by establishment elite groups. And the establishment elite groups, for some inconceivable reason, seem to say that populism is a bad thing. Yeah. Because it goes against their interests. Correct. But it's wild that journalists don't do that. But it's funny, because they frame it in a way.

Adolf Hitler was a populist. There have been plenty of bad populace. They frame Donald Trump as a populist. Now, once again, to certain people, they hear Donald Trump as a populace, like, hell yeah, populace. Technically, if you believe that there was no election interference, You would also reasonably believe that Joe Biden is a populist because he got elected to represent the will of the people. And apparently the will of the people want the president's son

to spend government money on crack and hookers. I'm just like when you control the media, so when they, you know, when they, when they, when they, you have that ability to frame how a situation is seen and heard have a lot of power. Yes. And, you know, for a good chunk of time, you know, how long has that been? I don't know. I'm not going to argue about this, right?

Somebody's got to, has been staring at this longer and everything else. But like, when you've had that control for so long, that's got to be hard to relinquish. And so, like, the issue. And effortless control, too. Yeah. Right. Nobody was fighting it. How many people have we ran into since we left Lloyd?

That have been, like, yeah, like, three years ago, I believe the government was, like, doing everything right. was great. Not all of them, but quite a few. You know, Justin Trudeau, he's not my cup of tea, but he's not really hurt me now. And now they're all like, every time something comes through, my first thought is to take a step back

and go, what are they trying to, you know, try and steer me towards? We walk into these rooms, Sean. I don't know if you've noticed this or not, but we walk into these rooms, and we are probably the people who hate the government the least. That's interesting.

Yeah. I sat and talked to a lady last night. I think it was Michelle. And worked for, I apologize. I should have apologized to this lady. After a show, I was telling you this. Like, I'm war out. My brain just isn't firing anymore.

I'm kind of tired, whatever. But anyways. And you missed details. Michelle. You miss details that you really wish you could be writing down as you went. Michelle worked for, like, food inspection for 19 years. Lost her job during COVID. Right?

Okay. And so when you talk about, we might be the ones that hate the government the least. That's just one story of her having to move away from her kids to find work, North Battlefield of all places. Move from North Battlefield to two North Battlefield to get work. Imagine willingly deciding you wanted to live in North Battleford. And she's just like, you know, I had to come.

I heard you guys. We had to come. I'm like, that's cool. I'm thank you for sharing, you know. And that's just one of a myriotta stories that showed up in Hank's Tavern or in the Lumsden, you know, the Lumsden Hotel, steak pit. I chuckle still about the, we told the story about Wendy last night, so Wendy, if you're listening,

the 69-year-old woman who had first time she'd ever gone to the bar by herself was to come see us to, and she had no ideas that many people would come up to Lumsden for, she's just like, this is amazing, like I had no idea. And we actually ended up telling, the second our show finished, there was a woman I didn't catch her name, who came up and said, you need to hear about what happened to me in. Ottawa with the flags. And for the record, we told that story last night, too.

And I think we'll probably tell it in Irma. So we won't spoil it here. Yeah. Come to Irma so you can. Come see it live and you'll be able to hear the story in its entirety. Although I will say that I think she did a better job of telling it than I did. Well, anytime it's your story, I think it's, uh, anytime it's your story, it's like you can, you've lived it, you know?

So, like, you can really add some things that two is trying to regurgitate a story can't. Yes. Yep. There's definitely that. But just the impassioned way she spoke to the oblivious nature of these Ottoluanians, I found it. It was just, it was refreshing and it was so funny. I don't know.

You end up, people will tell you stories that they think are interesting. And they're always interesting in some way. but it sometimes ends up being a crapshoot, whether it's a story that you think is interesting, but may not be a great fit for telling a whole bunch of people. Right? And it was just this impassioned delivery and well-spoken and the way she could just accurately describe the little parts involved.

If I'd have known she was going to speak to it that well, at the start of it, I would have been like, oh, hold up. Everybody sit down for a minute. You need to stick around for another couple minutes and hear this. Yeah, well, and you think we could probably do that once or twice every show have somebody come up and tell their, but you never know until they come. Yeah, because it might be a disaster. Yeah, well, 50 people come and talk to you after a show, which is cool.

Yes. And out of those 50, a couple just stick out, and you're like, that was, like, the mayor of Bradwell last night, had everybody rolling on the ground laughing, talking about a few things when it came to school and children and some of the things that he's seen as a father. It was hilarious. You know, it was just hilarious. I'm like, this is funny. You had the mayor of the town coming to the show, regaling us all with stories, and

bought a shirt. I thought it was wonderful. I didn't even know that he was the mayor until we were talking about it this morning. You didn't realize last night that was the mayor? I just thought it was just some guy who had some interesting stuff to talk about. No kidding. Yeah, what an interesting world. Well, any final thoughts here as we wrap up?

obviously come to Irma Alberta tonight 730 is when show starts at Albert Hall look at social media that's where all the directions to get there but it's Irma just slightly north of Irma

and I'm north right yeah it's just north of town if what Trish told us is correct which it probably is she seems fairly trustworthy Correct, correct. So that's tonight. How about we've rattled off Hancock, The Tale of the Tape brought to you by Hancock Petroleum. How about the final question of Crudemaster? What final question do you want today, Tews? Sorry, that's the question, is what final question do I want? I guess I want the question of what final question do I want. So what final question do you want, Tews? I want the question of what final question I want.

You said that the final question is what final question do you want? And I'm responding by saying that the final question I want is what final question you want. Two is what final question do you want? Which one have you been wanting to ask me for however long? But I did. I already asked that today. That's been not bugging me, but I've been surprised. So we got into that earlier today. All right.

What question have you been wanting to ask me that you haven't asked? Well, which final question do you want? I don't know. You know, that's funny. I asked James Lindsay this, and he kind of looked at me like, I don't know, I was a genius or insane or maybe both. And I haven't figured out which one he thought. But he was talking a little bit about chatting with guys after shows and things like that.

And I'd gotten the impression, although he wasn't exactly explicit with it. But I'd gotten the impression that he spends a lot of time. being asked the same questions. Probably. Right? And I said, what's a question you wish somebody had asked you? When you're sitting down in a situation exactly like this, what's something that you just think you want to speak to, but no one's ever thought to ask you about it yet?

I suck at asking people questions. You'll notice I don't really do a whole lot of interviews. I imagine it's like a muscle. You've got to flex before it gets big. But what's a question that you wish somebody has. had given you that you could expand on that you haven't really had a chance to to explore yet. So what's a question that I wish somebody would ask me?

Yeah. I've been surprised since I took, it was a guy in the bar last night who asked me about it. And I was actually Calum this morning who asked it, is what happened during the 53 days that you left podcasting. Now, I talked about with Nick, right? So, like, it surprised me. It took somebody that long, like, I've been asked about it.

I'm just surprised that somebody's never come on the show and asked about it, you know? And I've expanded greatly on that. I'm always flattered when somebody asks, you know, like, you know, what's the best podcast and different things like that where they want me to try to elaborate on somebody. But that's an impossible question because there's been. It's been so many good. There's been so many good. But, I mean, if you take away the best, because I think every one of them at different times is like really impactful. then you can choose a different word

and it becomes more you can draw into what the person's really after like what do you mean what do you define by best so I mean once again it can mean a lot of different things like even the first time you had Paul Brandt on Sean that's the best episode you ever done Jamie and Chuck

I love that episode I want you to do one every week that's like the best thing that you're not doing that you should be doing and there's been so many other ones How many times have I told you that some episode is my favorite episode? Well, every Tanner Applegate episode is my favorite episode. So there's that.

I would say that there's, every month, somebody says that's the best episode you've ever done. And that same person, three months later, will say that's the best episode you've ever done. And it means you're getting better. I hope. I hope that's what it means, right? Because I take that as a very extreme, extremely high compliment. But that's what I mean by best. It's like, well, what is best to you?

Well, the Tanner Applegate episodes are the best in a completely different way. Why are they the best? Because, first of all, he's got this beautiful voice. You can hear how big he is. And so you can picture exactly how imposing a figure he is. And when he's speaking so frankly and honestly about what he thinks, what he believes, and what he's willing to do to protect those. things important to him.

You can see it. You can feel it. It's almost like this pervasive presence all around you. And it's so fun, interesting, and engaging to hear about this man who will do all sorts of interesting and fun things that other people he would be doing them to not find to be interesting and or fun. And how he just, he'll literally just say, these people are our enemies. This is bad.

But rather than just, you know, the generic sort of, I really don't like what they're doing right now. Be like, this is fucking evil, and I'm going to punch it. And I love that directness. So could we say, like one of the things I admire about Tanner is he says things that other people don't. It's what makes him unique. He's got a great voice, too.

Don't get me wrong. The way he says it is kind of like when the cowboy preacher gets on and talks, Jesus for two and a half hours, what people said is, like, what is up with his voice? Like, what? How does he... He's got this, like, interesting, sexy in, like, what is that? And it's interesting.

So it's a voice. It's how he says it. How he approaches it. That's Tanner. Tanner is one of the most different minds I've ever talked to on the podcast. Because, you know, the last time he's going, I and say, I'm like, I don't want to say I'm promoting violence. And he just goes, I am.

I can't even do it with a voice. Oh, yeah, that was... I am. You know, and you're like, what? And he's like, I'm like, I'm. I'm saying. You know, like, I'm trying to act like... We need to get violent.

We need to get violent. You're like... No, no, no. I've got a podcast. I love it because people think it. But they don't say it. And he says it. And they're probably...

But they probably know that they're thinking it, but they're uncomfortable even within themselves to explore those thoughts thoroughly enough to get to the bottom of them. So this is where I come back to the best. So the best is such a large word. Well, it's the best. I don't know. Are we talking most downloads? Are we talking...

like the thing that's impacted my life the most, we talk to the funniest, or like when you talk to the best movie of all time, well, that, honestly, when, if you're into movies or you're into books, it's like,

well, what are we defining by the best? So when it comes to podcasts, what's the most interesting mind you've talked to or it's just like, kind of like, huh, or something.

Tanner's, there's a reason why Tanner sticks out to you, because nobody talks, I don't know if I had another guy on like Tanner. The answer is probably not. The perfect version of myself that I want to see when I look in the mirror is probably a lot like Tanner, but I'm not. And then you brought up Jamie and Chuck. Well, there's a reason why they're, both of them can tell, like Jamie can tell a story like nobody's business.

There's very few who can retail, recall, and retell Canadian military history like Jamie Sinclair. And has a million of them off the cuff. He's this tiny guy. He's about my size, but slim. and he went through the crab in military. So he got, he wasn't the big brute in military. He was this little guy who survived it and gets to tell these tales that are like super cool. And then you got Chuck, who's just laid back guy who's done some bad things.

You just, you understand, listen. And yet in Canada, they come from a class of people that is like point. It's like the same size. I'll say it's a little bigger than the LGBT, TSL Plus, but they're a fringe minority. And that's, in the best point. possible way. Oh, yes. Like, more of us should be part of that for

entrepreneurial. So them coming on is something super rare. But even when Chuck did that, that one that you did in Edmonton with the other guy whose name alludes me, right? Even that one is right up there. David Moriarty. Yes. Right?

You could just, it was that same kind of thing with Tanner Applegate. You could almost feel how, you can feel the lethality. Sure. And then you brought up Paul Brand. And the thing about Paul Brandt is Now, all of us know who Paul Brand is, for the most part. If you're Canadian, you've listened to Paul Brand a good chunk of your life.

And for me to be able to sit across from him, him be a regular human being that just, like, and he hears voice, it's surreal. It's a different type of best. It's like, I was super cool because it's Paul Freaking Brand. Yeah. It's Dawn Freaking Jerry. It's Glenn Sather. It's all these big names. It's two freaking 22.

Correct. I mean, honestly. And so what do you define as best? You know, like when Joe Rogan had Robert DeW. Downey Jr. on. I thought it was cool because I'm like, you know, you can hate the Marvel movies, but Robert Downey Jr., man, he played a great Iron Man. He just did. He was that character. He was built for it and then have him on Rogan talking a little bit about it. And Tropic Thunder. Was it the greatest movie ever or podcast ever? No, but it was super cool. It was super cool.

But if I think of any of the best Rogan episodes, as soon as you mentioned that episode, I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember that 90s. It's probably nobody famous. unless you're talking Jordan Peters. I don't even know which Rogan episode I'd pick as being my favorite. I thought that the first James Lindsay won, where it was him and that other guy who were talking, just of that content, and how they pulled the wool over the entire woke establishment

and had all those papers written, published, and winning awards based on pure bullshit, making it sound as ludicrous as possible. I thought that was really good. My absolute favorite Rogan episodes, are the ones where he gets other comedians on. Really? Those are the ones that I really enjoy. I don't know.

He does a good job of getting other people to explain things, and you can learn a lot from the really informative ones. He doesn't always do a great job of pushing back, which is fair, because if you push back too much, no one's ever going to want to be on your show, right? But when you get someone up there just about an absolute fucking nonsense, except for Tom DeLong. He kind of just wrapped that up.

But he could have had that guy dancing around and did a lot of interesting things with it that he didn't. But the ones that I really enjoy are the ones that get me feeling the most high. There's other better podcasts if I want to learn things. But Joe Rogan talking with other comedians, I don't think anybody does it as well. Even when you listen to those comedians, having other comedians on their show. So what is that? Let's talk about that for a second. Why do you think, so he does it really good. Why is that? Think about that for a second. Two things. They're really, he's, the really good ones are the ones where he's really comfortable

with the guys. Like when he's, when he's having the guys on that he's been buddies with for years. Okay. So one, he's created strong friendships with comedians, which he was, he is a comedian. Yeah. So that makes sense. Okay. Long time. Okay. He's funny. He knows what direction to, he's had so many conversations. with comedians over the years that I'm sure that he knows exactly what direction to to guide them where they start exploring funny ideas. Right? So one is funny, one, they're the best because of the relationship, the comfortability,

and you had two points. What was the second one? That he knows where to take the conversations so that they go in really funny directions. Right? it's pretty good at very, very incredibly low-key teeing up some of this stuff, not so that it's teed up, but just that it gets nudged. And there's an opportunity to pick it up and take it in a fun direction. And he's always willing to take it in a fun direction.

You're just like, oh, there's a joke to make? The answer is always yes with Rogan. He's never like, oh, we're being serious for a second. Not that you are or anybody else's that I can even think of off the top of my head. but if the door's open he always wants to go through it. What I was talking about with Marty up north this week is that what, and this is a Harley thing he pointed out because we got to talk about Rogan. Like, okay, so I always talk about with Rogan, what are the things he really does well?

I'm like, everything's in person. It's always better when you're in person. So, you know, some of us can pull that off. Others can't, you know, to have some of the guests that he has is impossible. Like right now where I sit, it's impossible to have that guest list. even if I had access to them all, I would have to do a majority of those online, right? Yep.

So, okay, that's one. But two, Harley was pointing out to me, Jonathan Pazzo, you know, I was saying, I don't know if it was a good interview. Everybody says it was a great interview. What Harley said is you want it to be what me and you have, or me and Marty up north have, or me and Chuck Pradnik or Jamie Sinclair. And he goes, and we started talking about that.

And he's like, that's almost impossible. They're at a point in time in their career, their fame, or whatever where they are melding. And so you think of Joe Rogan. He's got a ton of people that are recurring guests, but only a few that, like, you can tell they have, like, immediately they sit down and away they go. So the comedians, he's been in the trenches with them.

And being in the trenches with somebody, you see what they're made of. And then you put them on the show with you, and you can talk about anything because it's, you know, to take a terrible term, it's a safe place where you understand the other guy isn't trying to do. Think about what we've done in here today.

Like, I pulled you into a, a very uncomfortable conversation whether you like the conversation or not for part of it it's uncomfortable but to me i'm not trying to do it in a way that isn't just two uh friends exploring the the the conversation and the thing is is the more people you have like that the as a listener you're like this is interesting because they actually get down to brass taxes fast now it doesn't have to always be serious conversations it just means there's a comfortability where you sit down and you have some thoughts and away you go and when you do somebody like you're like when you do, you know, when you interview somebody.

This came up for the first time. The other night. There's this feeling out process. Whether you want to have it or not, where you're just trying to figure out if the other person's real, if you're real, what they're going to do as a host, am I going to try and sewer them? Am I trying to dig something out?

It takes a level of repetition. It takes a level of getting used to one another. It takes figuring out with the other persons, and that takes time and effort. and people who are rock stars don't give you all that time because their time is precious. Obviously so. And so you look at Rogan and why you like the comedians

and maybe I'm wrong on this, I'll let you tell me, is I just go, those guys went through the trenches. They already knew each other before they sat in front of the mic. They were already comfortable to sit in front of the mic, and now they just get to go out there and have fun and joke and be morons and do everything they'd done. Heck, I bet at some point back in the day, somebody's like, man, you guys should record these conversations.

These are hilarious. And Joe's like, yeah. And then when he got famous, instead of walking away from it and just interviewing Neil deGrasse Tyson and Randall Carlson and all these people that people loved him for, you know, James Lindsay, he keeps bringing him back on because it's part of who he is. And if you lose who you are to even such a thing as a successful podcast, it will slowly not become anything more than just, you know, yeah, I kind of tune into it.

But if you have that heartbeat of who you are, which is Joe and his, you know, like when he has, who's the famous singer he has on, when they always go for, like, famous rapper kind of artist. pop star, I guess, for like four and a half, five hours. They did mushrooms at one time. I never saw that one. Oh, my God. Me and my wife listened to it.

Mel and I were going to Banff when we listened like five hours of Rogan and, I can see him in my head and somebody screaming at the... Doing mushrooms for five hours and recording the whole time. Yeah, and that's part of what Rogan is. He just, like, and it doesn't phase him. We should try that sometime. Any other thoughts? I don't know.

That was it. I think you're absolutely right. It's him doing stuff. that he's really a passion about, that he's put in a ton of reps, doing it with people that he's got a great background with. Look at the conversations you've had probably with guys that you worked really closely with over the years, right?

Where, fuck, we should have recorded this. How many times have you just been shooting the shit with somebody that you've known forever? You end up having an hour or too long conversation. This would have made a great podcast. All of time. And that's what he's doing. That was this morning before we turned it on.

I was like, we should have just recorded this entire time. Right? Because we sat here and tried. We just, but both of us were, I'm like, I'm just going to leave it off. You know, I'm tired. Two days in a row of going, you know, we were saying about like next time, overall course of a week doing like six shows and seven nights, I'm like, man, I don't know. That's a lot, you know, like.

Maybe if we're just hitting every small town along the highway. Well, how far do we got to go today? 12 kilometers. Okay. How about tomorrow? It's a little bit further. It's 13, right? We could do something like that.

When we bike Canada, the worst part about it, Saskatchew, other than being flat and windy, was you could see the next grain elevator because they were roughly every 20 kilometers down the railway track and the one highway fall, well, I mean, probably a lot. Yeah, because you took 16 pretty much all the way you turned Atlanta again or what? No, we went, we were on the cell, uh, no, what highway is that? Okay, anyways. It doesn't matter.

It's more or less the same. But we, but we, you could see it and it's like this slow moving figure that gets bigger and bigger until you go past it. And then when you get past it, you start looking, you can see the peak of the next one. And it's like, ugh. It just like makes the bike even worse, you know, because you can see this slow-moving thing coming for an hour until you pass it. Anyway.

Thanks for doing this, To the listener, tonight, 7.30, is when doors, or 630 doors open, 7.30 show starts. And Tuesday's final show on the world tour of Saskatchewan and now, Alberta. So we're crossing the border. I hope to see you there. And you have no idea if we're going to keep doing the moment. or not, so you should definitely come, but I've had a love fun, so we're going to keep doing them. Cliffanger, but not a cliffhanger. Yeah, all right. We'll catch you up to you in the next one,

folks.