Shaun Newman Podcast - #524 - Tanner Hnidey

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

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So I hope you're October. I hope you're Halloween. Did you get out with the kids? We did. We went as Super Mario. So I was Mario and my son was Luigi. And the youngest was Toad. The daughter was Peach.

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where he regularly comments on political, ethical, religious, and economic issues. I'm talking about Tanner Nadee. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined back by Tanner Nadey. So, sir, thanks for coming back in. Oh, thanks for having me.

It's always a pleasure. Always a pleasure. It's funny. There's a few of you now that get requested as much as, I don't know, not as much as anyone, but like obviously if I could have Premier Daniel Smith on the podcast once a week. There would be like a lot of appetite for that. And as it would have it, I'm working on getting her back on. So we'll see.

We'll see how that goes. I've been getting lots of texts lately that says she better not forget about her base. Yeah, sure. Why hasn't she been on the podcast? And I'm like, oh, I actually, well, I'll reach out and I'll see if I can find out. Absolutely. Sure. So it's been, but regardless, yourself would lends to this is I love being in person.

You know this. Oh, totally. There's nothing that beats it. And so the fact that you can come in almost at it is, you almost run on my schedule, which is funny. You know, it's like, hey, you want to do a podcast? Yeah, I do. Okay. All right. Shall we? Absolutely. Absolutely. It's a way to do it. Yep. So you've never heard of Frank Paredi before.

No, I hadn't. You had sent me a text, what about a week ago nowish, asking if I had heard of him? And I hadn't. No. But then I looked into, then I looked into his works, his books that he had written. Very interesting, very intriguing. I was looking, I was telling you before. I was in Calgary the day you texted me, so I went to chapters to see if I could find one of his books, but they were all sold out. And so I haven't read him yet, but the description of what he's written is very intriguing.

Well, it's funny because, you know, you're younger than me. His first book he wrote, I think, you know, if I read a Wikipedia cracker, was in 86 the year I was born, right? So it's like, well, is it that shocking that I haven't read it? Probably not. but it's a timely book, you know? Like I, man, it just, it was just a fun, I've been struggling with trying to read.

I think me and you have talked about this before, right? Like, the Bible's one thing. To sit down and try and, like, chug through the Bible, let me tell you, is difficult. It is, it's a battle. It's not like this, you just pick it up, and it's just like, ooh. Exactly right. Read it in a week.

No. Look at me. Yeah, it's a battle. Yeah. But as a kid, I just enjoyed like larger than life stories. Sure. They were,

and I would stay up to like two in the morning reading them. I was one of those kids that I'm sure had the little light and I'd be, you know, go to bed. Yeah, I'm going to bed, but I'm like trying to read one more chapter. Sure. In the morning, my parents are like, what was Sean doing?

And he'd probably laugh and he was reading again, you know? Like he's into so much trouble. But I'd lost that. Right. I just, I just, in the last like couple years, I just haven't been able to pick up a book.

Yeah. So anyways, this Frank Pretty, which I was just showing you, said, Blum, showed out to him. he keeps sending me this thing. And I'm like, yeah, I've listened to it, but it ain't, yeah, you know, like, I don't know.

Like, I don't know. Right? Like, I don't know. Yeah. Sounds like Jeff Foxworthy, which is nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But it was interesting. And if anyone wants me to send along God's way or my way, I think is what the talk is on YouTube, certainly can.

But anyways, so my son needs a jersey. Okay? Yeah. And next to our neighbor goes, why don't you? Why don't you just go to the olive tree? I'm like, oh, that's a brilliant idea. I'm like, why go spend $30 on a practice jersey when I can just go down? So, you know, I go down.

I'm searching and here's the thing. I love a bookstore. I don't know what adults they have for candy stores. I've never walked into the liquor store and been like, oh, my God. Or walked into a canon store and I've been like, oh, my God. But you walk into a bookstore. I'm like, I can get lost in there. Whether I read them all or not, I don't know.

But like, I can get lost in there. I agree. It's like a candy shop. It is. So Olive Tree has a room. Yeah. Where's all these old books? Yeah.

I'm like, oh, man. No, don't go, Sean. Oh, but we should go, right? Like, what do you mean? You know, you haven't read a book in how long. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. And I'm having this little argument.

So I finally relent. I go in. And I'm looking around. Mm-hmm. You know, it's not like it's the best sellers, right? Like there's some really random books in there. Yeah. So I do what I've been doing lots of lately.

I just set a quick prayer. All right. you want me to buy something just point it out if not I'm walking out of this thing I won't buy anything you know and it's like four titers later it's Frank Pretty and I start laughing

I'm like Frank Pretty why do I know with that name Frank Prady Frank Prady Frank Prady I'm like I'm sure Seth just so I pop it open him I think the same guy same guy so I buy this book yeah go home

yeah thinking it's like his autobiography right sure and it's anything but it's like this wild fantasy novel about angels and demons fighting and I read it in like six days I could not

It's just like, I can't put this thing down. It's so good. Now I'm trying to track this Frank. Anyone knows who Frank Pretty is? He's 72 supposedly lives in Idaho. Okay. We're going to track this guy down. I just want to.

I just want to. He's originally from Lethbridge. Alberta. Right? Yeah. Small world. What is it about Alberta and just having some truth seekers out there that are just like? There's something about Alberta.

Have you ever had Michael Wagner on your show? No, I have not. because he has, the reason I ask is because in one of his books on Alberta independence, he talks about how, he describes the history of Alberta. And he, one of the chapters describes how in Alberta's early history, the people who came here and so on were so different than even just across the country. They were more conservative. They had a desire to seek truth, actually, that it seems to have carried on today.

So your question is a good one. It is true. I think Alberta, this isn't. like a supremacist thing or anything like that. But there is, as a consequence of who lived here, you know, in generations past, has an earnest desire for truth and freedom and all those things. Yeah. It's an interesting observation.

But yeah. But at any rate, Peretti, I haven't heard of him. But yeah, you just showed me even before this, you know, two-minute clip of him speaking. Fascinating. Yeah. It's funny. There will be some older people out there. Oh, yeah, I read all the Frank Pready. Oh, I know.

Yeah. You know, like they're pretty wild stories. It's like, well, I've been asking for my love of reading to come back, and I tell you, it came back in a rush. Yep. It was a, well, I don't know, just my type of story, you know? Yeah. Look at me, I can't stop.

Like, I just, like, I, I walk. We go to the, we go to the AGM for our area. Yeah. In Vermillion. Yeah. What was that? Thursday night. And, uh, Vicky, if you're listening, and walk up to Vicky, and she's talking

me and I just I just blurted up. You ever heard Frank Paredi? And she's like, what? I'm like, she's like the author? Like, yeah. I'm like, I'm going to find this guy. You know, he's becoming my new white whale, if you would, or white buffalo. Yeah. I've had some strange ones. Once it was Cal Nichols, Cal Nichols, who helped save the Emmington owners. He was from Paradise Hill and then he's got his number of retired in St.

Walberg. And anyways, we tracked him down. And certainly everybody knows the big one is Jordan Peterson. But I'm telling you, Frank Pretti, I've got to find that. this guy. He's 72 years old. He's sitting somewhere. Yep. And everybody says he's retired and he doesn't do anything. And I'm like, until I boot down his door and be like,

get on the podcast, sir. Let's talk. Yeah, absolutely. How things have been in your world. You know, I'm blabber on. Oh, no, that's fine. Busy. So busy. It's good. There's nothing better than being busy. Yep. It's been, so I've been doing a lot of speaking lately. Lots of economic speaking. I'm going to have been asked to speak at the UCPs, HGM. I'm doing that.

The pension plan, this New Alberta pension plan, has a lot of people interested, so a lot of speeches there, a lot of videos. Government's been so generous lately with all their actions that it's never difficult to try and create content or talk about. Well, there's never a shortage of things to talk about. Do you like the Alberta Pension Plan? Yeah, I love it. I love it. One, for economic reasons and two for moral reasons.

I'm actually convinced the moral arguments for leaving the Canadian Pension Plan are stronger than the economic arguments. even though the economic arguments are strong. At best, at best, with regards to economics, the best argument that I've read for staying, no, sorry, yeah, the best argument I've read for staying in the CPP from an Albertan's perspective is the benefits to Alberta's own pension plan is that they'd only be marginally better than the CPP.

They'd still be better, but just a little bit. Or we have to help our fellow man. That's it. I haven't read an argument yet, whether from seasoned economists or not, that say actually an Alberta pension plan will be guaranteed worse for Albertans. I haven't read it, even from those people who are strongest against it, against Alberta's own pension plan. So there's that argument, an economic argument, but there's a moral argument too. Scriptures are clear, have nothing to do with what's evil, and the federal government is very bad right now.

Very bad. You know, we've talked a lot on the podcast about the economic, no, the level of control that's granted to an organization or an institution or a government when they control a significant portion of the economics in the country. So suppose you're a father and you're wanting to feed your child and you can't feed your child at the present time. You're desperate. You'll do a lot, right? Because you have this instinct, this overwhelming desire to provide for your child and your family. So if government then can hold out a loaf of bread or something along those lines, all they'd have to say is here. This is yours. It's yours. You can feed your child. child, you just have to do this or that. It's very simple. Bow to some statue. So with a pension

plan, right, they have a lot of control over the Canadian pension plan. So you could imagine them saying, not saying they have said it, but I'm certain that they would say it at some point in the future. You know, if you want to receive your pension check, pensioners, you have to move to a centralized, digitalized currency system in the name of efficiency and carbon neutrality and all this nonsense. We're going to transition. pension payouts to a digitalized currency system. And if you don't sign up for this system in 30 days or something, then you're going to risk forfeiting your benefits.

And so in an instant, you force millions of Canadians to switch to that system. Now, some would say that's a straw man. It's not actually happening, but it's like, look at the last few years. Is it a stretch to think it could happen? No, not with this government. So that's a lot of control. Or they could say, you know, you have to use your pension checks for, Carbon neutral activities in the name of saving the planet.

If you don't, again, you risk losing your pension. You risk losing your benefits. Or those pension checks will only work with a certain group of activities. You have to buy this thing of food or you have to do this and that, very limited. So for that reason, I'd say leave the plan. Let's have less government power. You know, let's decentralize government, make it smaller, so that the individual has more control over his life.

And so it's going to be a battle. Like, you know, you're going to have loud, loud opposition. You already do have loud opposition to a pension plan. But I think they're equally loud is going to be those who are in favor of it. Well, I haven't just, I haven't heard too much, you know? Yeah. I mean, my thought at this point is if it removes us from Ottawa. Yep.

Just let's do it. Yep. That's just it. You know, like twos would say, even if it was burning the money in front of all Albertans, he'd still do it just to get out of Ottawa. Yep. Right? Because everyone's just like,

we just need out of there. Yep. Like, when you use the evil, it's just, yeah, at this point, we've seen what Ottawa is willing to do

and capable of. Absolutely, absolutely. We were talking about this scripture last time, right? Was it 1st Corinthians? I think it's 1st Corinthians 15, 33, were Paul's like bad company,

corrupts a good character. Ottawa is just the worst company. The worst company. Like, the more space we can create between ourselves and them the better. That's, I mean, that in itself is an argument.

I think that's an overwhelming argument to leave Confederate or to leave the pension plan. Those, those individuals who say that it would be bad for Alberta to do so, that we should just maintain the status quo, so small-minded. Open up your mind, think a little bit. Let's, you know, it's like, I'm so, we're also sick and tired of just doing the same thing

over and over and over again. It's like, let's have an adventure. let's live a little bit and and regain some freedom in your travels and talks about it what have you been seen like where have you been the you know what are the people been saying oh yeah yeah overwhelmingly positive but the people who are who come up and talk to you if they do and say Tanner yeah I'm I don't know what do they say when they're like this you know there's there's more to this than you think it's going to cost us money or it's going to I don't know I'm 79 what's going to happen to my pension

Yeah, that's a big one. What will happen? The first thing I hear is my pension's terrible. I paid into it all my life and I get X number of $100 a month. It's a terrible return, which is true. Like if you're born after, I think it's 73, I'm maybe off by a few years, but at some time in that era, the rates of return on your pension, you know, if, and this is, I mean, there's some variation, of course, but on the average is about two and a half percent bad. That is meager. That's very, very, very. conservative. That's not an excellent return on a pension at all. Like we often hear, you know, well, the pension investments, the Canadian pension plan investments are doing fantastic. They're earning great returns. Maybe that might be true. But when was the last time that you, Sean Newman, I guess you're not collecting pension yet, but when was the last time a pensioner looked at his check or her check and saw a little statement at the bottom that said, because the Canadian pension plan investments rate of return on their investments increased 10% this. year. So also your pension check is increasing 10%. No, that doesn't happen. That isn't how the

pension earnings for Canadians are calculated. No, that has nothing to do with it. Instead, it's about, you know, how long you work and how much you contributed when you retired, et cetera, et cetera. So do you think back, sorry, do you think back when they first started it, there was like this grandiose, grandiose idea or was just a shitty idea from the beginning? I think the story so Ecclesiastes said nothing's new under the sun the teacher in Ecclesiastes who's the one who's writing Ecclesiastes says I you know I'm looking at history says I'm seeing what kings have done in the past and I'm watching what they do now and nothing really changes they always do pretty much the same thing progressives go well I have this new and innovative idea it's not really it's actually an old idea that you've just repackaged it's the same thing that's happened or the same ideas that have always been, you know, promoted throughout history. So with that to say, government's always been concerned about power. They've always wanted power.

They always want more power. That's the way government operates. Nothing is new under the sun. So it wouldn't, I mean, not like I can actually go back into the cabinet when they were discussing the Canadian pension plan. But if they were to say, you know, we're doing this, we're starting this pension plan to increase the power of the federal government over the Canadian people, I'd be like, that makes total sense. nothing's changed. See, in that instance, if the goal of the pension plan

is to give Canadians a solid, you know, massive pension check every month, it's a failure. The returns, as we mentioned, are very modest, exceedingly modest. So then you bring it back to,

you know, the guy going, or the woman, going, you know, what about my pension? Yeah. It's already crappy to them anyway. Yeah, right. Well, see, it was right.

That's exactly right. And first of all, I don't, I don't believe anything what I don't believe. Nothing would happen to the Canadian pension. You've paid into it. And you still get paid that pension no matter what. But secondly, remember, Alberta disproportionately contributes three or four or five billion dollars more every year into the pension plan. Like three or four or five, it varies a bit based on the year, but billions more. Go into the Canadian

pension plan for Albertans every year versus what the pensioners in Alberta receive. So you have an ample supply of money should something happen. You know, but I don't, again, I can't see it happening. The simple argument is, just as a consequence of Alberta's age, younger, working wealth, like the income and earnings, and amount of people work, we just contribute much more disproportionately compared to other provinces. And so it makes economic sense for us to leave and, as I mentioned, moral sense, because Ottawa is bad. Very bad. Yeah. So the pensioners, there isn't a reason for pensioners at the present time to worry. You know, they really, it's, it's, it's, again, the only arguments I've heard from, from the opposition are, uh, it would disrupt the unity of Canada. And that's, well, that's the big one. Yeah, it would be bad for others. But that's, but that's, so why don't they say that about this guy named Justin Trudeau? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Isn't that the truth? Like, we're, we're going to prop up the guy who's literally destroying the country. But when Alberta says, well, we're, the, the house is on fire. folks, we're going to put out part of it and just take care of this side, they go, oh, but you're

destroying the house. It's like, just because we're not throwing more gasoline on this sucker. They're going to come out. It's just, it's wild. It's like people think it was Kant. It's not Kant. It's Ayn Rand who said, you're right, if the truth kills it, let it die. So if the system, if this policy is being propped up by big government to try and maintain

power over the structure of Confederation, even though in reality, it's not a good policy. Why is the policy exist? We talk about unification, unification. The scripture is clear. If you're going to have unification, first you have to have truth. You can't unify in a lie. That was the failure of Kenny. He talks so much about unification in Alberta, unifying the party.

It's like, well, you were unifying under deception, under what wasn't real. And so, of course, it was going to crumble. You have to first discover truth, see what's true, adhere to reality, and then unify under that. Then it'll stand and stay standing. Otherwise it won't. So this pension plan is a bad pension plan. to say that it is a good pension plan is a deception. So to unify under it, well, it'll collapse.

It won't work. I was reading Hebrews this morning. That's a good book. I've been stuck in Hebrews for a while, folks. And I chuckled because I knew you were coming in, and it said something along the lines of, like it's an endurance race and you need to chase Jesus, something along that.

And I dang near fell out of my chair laughing. Because if people remember the first time me and you sat down when we were talking about pointing towards, you know, aiming towards something. And I was arguing that Jordan Peterson, albeit probably not as good as Jordan Peterson, in fairness to that. And you were going, no, but it's Jesus. And I chuckled because this morning I read that, which was rather comical.

Hebrews is excellent. One of my favorite books in the Bible. Really? Oh, it's a fantastic book. I love it. It's so, because it's so, whoever, we don't know who wrote it, but whoever wrote it must have been a genius. The intellect that is present in that book is the arguments are so nuanced but clear.

Man, you're going to make me have to go back through it again. It's funny, I've listened to it now. Yep. I got, I can't remember now. Is it H? Yeah. You have no idea what I'm talking about. GH TV.

Anyways, they have a, they have a, they have like a full-on Bible on their app. Yeah. And then it'll read, like, it'll actually read it to you. Yeah. So one day I finally put up Christmas lights for the first time ever in my life. Ever. Not, not, I should say as a kid, mom and dad always put up Christmas. Since I've been a parent.

Yep. First time ever. Anyways. So I threw on, I was trying to get through Hebrews and I was struggling. So I'm like, maybe I could listen to it. And it's funny when I listened to it, it was actually, I'm like, wow, that was pretty good. I'm like, how did I miss this reading? So I went back to reading it and it's a slug again.

So I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. Oh no, it's a book you got to work through, but it's the whole purpose of the book is to show that the law is insufficient for salvation. That's the entire purpose of the. the book. This author says he's particularly talking actually about Torah, about Jews, and their desire to be saved, to be righteous by the law. And his answer is no, it's impossible. The law is insufficient. Here's why. And here is the fulfillment of the law, someone greater than the law, who's come to be salvation. So I'm thinking particularly about Hebrews 10. I remember reading Hebrews 10 for the first time,

because in that passage it says very clearly the law is only a shadow of the good things or the realities that are coming, but it's the law itself. I read Meeber's 10 this morning. Well, that's the one. The law is, yeah, it's the shadow, but it's not the reality itself. And so I remember being, do you ever have those moments where you're thinking about something, you're looking at a problem and all of a sudden, right, the light switches on? That was a light switch moment because it is so, it's so clearly revealed. that the law is really nothing more than an outline. That's all it is.

It's not, you know, what is a shadow? Right? You have something real, a person, let's say, and you have light. And that light casts on that person, and then the person creates a shadow. And the shadow isn't the person, but it's an outline of the person.

It gives you an image of what he or she might look like. And so, of course, in Hebrews, they say that's what the Hebrew's author says, that's what the law is. You have Christ. this real image who is also light and he casts this shadow this outline of who he is

that's what the law is right it's the ten commandments for example so christ doesn't steal that's not who he is christ honors his father and his mother christ keeps sabbath right christ or he's lord over sabbath christ doesn't murder christ doesn't covet all of those things it's a description of who he is and not only so but then you sean or me tanner can go to that shadow and lay on it and see that the outline is different than what

we are. Our outlines don't match up. I'm obviously not the one casting the shadow. My picture is different. So it has to be someone else. It's Christ. And so it's for anyone who wishes to be righteous by law, by doing good works, the Hebrews cuts that down with a efficient blade quickly. Yeah, it's ruthless. It's a ruthless book. Yeah. It's funny how somebody can read something and get, you know, like book club, right? Five of us in the book club. Five of us can read something and take five different, like, that's what's interesting about a book club. Because, you know, I'm assuming that's what's interesting about Bible study. I would assume, right? Because people read something and pick up on other things and others pick up on something else.

And you're like, oh, why didn't they see what I saw? Like that, that's a very odd thing. And I'm listening to talk about Hebrews. I'm like, folks, I've been stuck in Hebrews for like a month. It has been a slug. Excellent. That's, you often hear about people who said, I read the Bible, a whole Bible in a week or something. nonsense. That's nonsense. It's better to be in a passage for a year. It's better to be in five verses for a year and understand them to a degree that perhaps no one else does than to read the entire scripture and then, you know, not know what you read. So it's excellent that you're, that it's an excellent thing, for example, to be quote unquote stuck in a book for a month.

I call it stuck because, you know, like you're spinning your tires, sure. Yeah. I can't see. I can't get, I can't get through it. And it makes sense. It's even to the point where I'm just like, when I'm reading, my brain's somewhere else. And I'm like, okay, stop that and come back here. What is it going on with this right here? And so I've been stuck. Yeah, no, totally fine. I was stuck on a passage for the last week for probably a week.

And it was just, it was a verse. Yeah. So when I... What was the verse? The verse was an axe. It was an Acts chapter. It's the end of Acts chapter 18. I don't remember the specific verse, but it's a little passage.

It's talking about a man named Apollos, who's a very fervent preacher. and Luke is giving a description of this man named Apollos. And I was stuck on this phrase where he says he was fervent in spirit. Basically, Luke says this man Apollos had a passion. He had a real burning passion in his chest to preach the gospel, to preach Christ. And then he has to be taught a little bit more later about how to preach it properly. But he's an excellent orator, has a zeal, and he wants to preach Christ. And so I studied that specific passage about how Apollos was fervent in spirit

or how Apollos had this burning passion within him for a week because in the present day, in the modern day, we hear so often men and women who are intellectual or who are quote unquote intellectuals are categorized as intellectuals by the world saying that man's emotion or his sentiments, tradition, you know, a simple man's way of life, gets in the way of his thinking, gets in the way of his thought, his thoughts clouded because he's so primitive, he's so simple, these rural individuals and so on. They have a passion for something. They have a desire to uphold first principles. And so they can't actually see through to the truth. And then what I did is I did my exposition on

why I thought that was total nonsense. So that was a week. Yep. Mm-hmm. Which is good. And then, and then you know and you get it. Once you have it, it clicks and you move to the next one. So there'll be times where I've read a passage, right, like for two weeks kind of thing, because you know it's just not quite clicking yet. And then one day it does, something opens up, and that's, then you've got it.

My next problem then would be getting it and realizing the weight of what you've got. Yeah. Yes. Christ, in one hand, truth is heavy. Another hand, Christ says, my yoke is easy, my burden is light. So, yeah, that's a very, that's an excellent comment. Christ says pick up your cross and follow me and that in part means learning the truth

and holding to it. Because once you understand the truth, once it's been, once that specific lesson's been revealed to you, now you have a moral obligation to hold to it. Or you can choose not to, of course, but the consequences are devastating if that's what you choose. And it could mean a lot of sacrifice. It can mean, you know, it can mean losing friends. It can mean a lot of things. But in the And right, Christ is clear. He's like, those who lose their life from me will also save it. And those who wish to save their life will lose it. Mm-hmm.

Heavy. Oh, yes. Heavy in paradox. Lots of paradox. Yeah, which makes it so interesting. Makes the whole scripture so interesting. Well, as a reader, you know, you're like, how the heck am I ever going to get through this thing?

And then when I do, you know, because, you know, obviously, at some point, you will. But it's like, and then you just, you know, you're. ignorance is bliss. Oh, yes. Like, it's bliss for now. For now. Yes,

that's right. That's right. For now. Well, you can't change. I wouldn't change this for anything. No. But in saying that, then you finally get something like,

man, think about that for a while. That is heavy stuff. Yeah. You know? Ephesion 6 is what comes to mine this morning. Which, folks,

I'm not going to try and act like I can rattle it off like Tanner, you know, but, you know, we don't go to, war with the flesh and blood. Right. Battle the flesh and blood.

Like that one, when you think about that for long enough, yeah. It's one of the most unnerving and cool. It is. Thoughts in maybe the, since I've been reading, you know,

like, I'm just like, yeah. Oh yeah, armor of God is a, is a classic passage. It is. It's so,

so many men can conquer. No, and that's not true. But men can conquer other nations. They can use physical violence, you know, war to conquer. Yeah,

other countries, make themselves great conquerors, great emperors. But so many of them can't conquer themselves. They refuse to conquer their lustful passions, their desires. That's, you know, their old philosophers thought that was much more difficult and much more courageous to attempt to do so than to conquer another nation. Yeah. So they thought, you know, the campaign to restrain one's passions

was superior to trying to conquer a nation. Now the story of scripture, the story of Paul say in Colossians, the end of chapter 2, verses 20 to 23, and Colossians 3 versus 1 to 4, or sorry, yeah, verses 22 to 23 and 3 versus 1 to 4, is that he actually goes on a bit of a, it's not a diatribe, but he goes on a commentary against actually like Greek philosophy. Because he says, well, he says, I travel the world, go to Athens and places like this, I go to all these very intellectual centers. And I see all of these philosophers, I see all of these very zealous men, doing all that they can to conquer the passions of the body, the problems of the body. So he says they deny themselves this. And they say, I can't touch that. And I can't handle this.

Paul, the scriptures don't handle, don't taste, don't touch. I'm going to abstain from all of these things is what philosophers, the Greeks said, and so on. But Paul goes, that's such nonsense. It's like that doesn't work at all. It's like how is that possibly? He says, you know, he says those things require mighty devotion, fair enough. They require severe bodily discipline, fair enough. They do all of those things, but they don't actually help in conquering a person's evil desires.

He says they do nothing for that. So then he goes to chapter three, and then he proceeds to talk about how Christ, of course, is the one who conquers those things. We're actually, because we're free in Christ, those issues are conquered. So he says there are two thoughts. One is people try to conquer the world within them by taking themselves out of the world. That doesn't work. You know, you can take yourself out of the world.

You'll find the world is still in you. Or, says Paul, you can, well, not you, but Christ conquers that by replacing the world in you with the kingdom of heaven, with a different world, and changing the very structure of your being. That's what works. So today, you so often hear thinkers. You know, say, don't do this. You can't do this. Don't, you know, don't.

It's just it's so much don't. You know, you have to restrain your body, restrict your body. And they try and fight the outside, but they refuse to conquer what's, they refuse to look at what's within. The idea is if you conquer the outside, the inside will follow. That's the opposite. Right. Christ is like, it's not what goes into you. That's defiles, but what comes out.

And so if you have to, the inside has to be fixed first. then the outside will follow. Yeah. So much of the world is backwards in that way. The idea is outside be good, inside you'll be good. Christian scripture says inside be good through Christ, only through Christ, outside. It'll be good. Well, and that brings me probably to James.

James, James 3. The tongue is the rudder. Right. Yes. I mean, when you talk about doing work on yourself, coming to terms with some of those things, and then controlling or mastering your tongue. Yeah. Then you can attract or push away or vice versa, whatever,

the world that be, right? Because you have control of, well, the tongue, and that's going to direct where you go. Like, you know, I've probably told this story one too many times, and it's funny. I'm a little self-conscious of it, I guess, but whatever, we're going to steer into it anyways. But I had lost, I've lost the love of reading multiple times.

right? And one of them came when I started reading the Bible. I was like, oh, man, like the first four gospel, well, like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. I was like, now that's some reading. And then I kind of got lost in it for a bit where I was just kind of like, this sucks. Not that it sucks.

I don't know, maybe it does suck. It doesn't matter. You know, he's going to laugh at me, but I'm just, you know, like, honestly, I'm just like, okay, this kind of sucks. Like, you know, he's dead, he's risen, I get it. Yeah. Okay. And then,

it just felt like James was everywhere. So I was like, you know what? Screw it. I'm fast forwarding James. I'm going to read it. I don't know why. Because to me, a book, when you're reading a book, you should start in Genesis. And you've had this chapter and then read it cover to cover.

Sure. It doesn't work that way. I don't care what anyone says. And there's probably more than agree than disagree in my own opinion. Or maybe unbeknownst to me is what I'm trying to say. Flipping to James is the best thing. ever did. It actually, like, reading James, I was like, oh, my God. Sure. Okay. All right. And then I went back. Yeah. Because sometimes when you read it cover to cover, it is dry. And it's like, I know.

It's true. I don't know what I'm doing here. You know, like, what am I looking at? Yeah. Yeah, the entire, well, the entire scripture is about Christ. That's, that's when one reads the scripture that has to be kept in mind. How does this passage relate to Christ. Every passage in the scripture relates to Christ in some capacity. So for a new reader, yes, to read, say, Leviticus is very dry. It's almost unbearably dry because it's these monotonous, or what's seemingly monotonous, meticulous set of laws that are being told to a people who we think, at least initially, don't necessarily apply to us. It's ancient Israel. But when you read Hebrews again, you should go back and also read Leviticus 16. Because you'll see,

how the two correlate. Then in light of Christ it makes perfect sense why Leviticus 16, for example, a seemingly dry chapter and the rest, and all of Hebrews is in the scripture together, and that nexus upon which both converge is Christ. So Leviticus 16 is all about atonement sacrifice. Hebrews, almost all of Hebrews, not every passage in Hebrews, but a lot of Hebrews is about why atonement sacrifice using a lamb is not sufficient to save man totally of his sin. So instead the Hebrew says, here's what the old Israelites did, here's why it was in the Torah, here's why it's in the scripture, here's what we're doing now, here's the fulfillment of what they were doing, Jesus. And now it's so much greater than what they were doing before.

What they were doing before was just a temporary placeholder waiting for what was to come. Yeah. Yeah, everything relates to Christ. I'm always in a gospel. It's always good to be in a gospel no matter what. So I'll read other books, of course, and other passages, but always, there's always at some point. Just because it's that, those, that's the, I mean, the whole Bible is a story of Christ, but those four books, of course, in particular, are the story of Christ of his life on earth. Yeah. Always in one gospel, whether Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. Yeah. It's an interesting thought because I obviously haven't read any of those for quite some time. Oh, yeah. I'd encourage you to go back. So even though you're reading Hebrews, also have a passage in there from a gospel. It'll also be, you know, it'll be the first book.

I've got to think about this. Yeah, I think so. The first book that I've ever not read to like read, finish, put it in the book case, you know, and been like, oh yeah, I read that book. It's a great book. Can't wait for the movie to come off. Yeah. Yeah, that's not the truth.

Because books are finite. The scripture is describing the infinite. We'll never, there's never a point at which you say, I've learned all that can learn, because that is, it's a description of the infinite. So there's always something new. That book is alive. Other books are just books. This book is alive.

It's different. It's the Almighty speaking to you. It's, it's, yeah, his word. speaking to you. This isn't just a typical book. It's the book of books. What do you think of no carbon tax for part of Canada? Oh, that's a political ploy on Trudeau's part. Trudeau did it for Atlantic Canada because he knows that he's not going to get votes here in Alberta. So why cater to Alberta? But he might pick up a few votes in Atlantic Canada, a battleground, by cancelling carbon tax. But it shows

that Trudeau's a hypocrite. If he really believes the world is ending because of a climate a catastrophe, then it shouldn't matter whether or not he scores political points. He should hold to his morality, which is to save the planet apparently, and keep that carbon tax in, which is supposedly working so well. But he doesn't because he's a politician. He's a fraud. And so instead, he decides to cater to his political values. Proverbs are clear.

Don't put your faith in a man. You have to, in one hand, thank politicians because they time and time and time again prove why they're not saviors. They always say they're saviors, but then when push actually comes to shove, all they care about is saving the political career. So Trudeau wants to try and do that, at least in some capacity. His political analyst strategy said, maybe if you decide to cut the carbon tax in Atlanta, Canada, you're going to pick up some votes.

We'll spin it this way. They're poor advisors. Let's play this out, okay? You should cut the carbon tax in Atlanta, Canada. Yeah. everybody else is going to lose their mind. And for any benefit Atlanta, Canada gets, they're going to hear, or they should hear,

everybody would be frustrated because why would they do that? Whereas if you just cut the carbon tax, would you have not had even some Albertans go? Right. Well, I can't, Trudeau. Right. Wow. I didn't see that coming.

Right. Did you see that coming? And it would actually have softened the blow for them a little bit. Right. And it might well have. Absolutely. Instead, now we're all, if we were foaming at the month before, like, I mean, it is on steroids at this point. Like, everybody is just, well, I mean, absolutely, why not?

And why not? We've been marching this carbon. We're going to save the world through carbon tax. Tax is what's going to get us there, right? We're going to tax you. And then on top of that, we're going to put a second tax. We're going to have two carbon tax. And you're like, what?

Okay. No. But I'm just a small little guy here. sitting in Lloyd Minster, what am I going to do about it? So now you got two taxes. Oh, wait, and every year they're going to go up. Yep. Because 2030 is the end all beyond if we don't get there and do all these crazy things.

Yeah. And then just, he could have just, like, can you imagine if you woke up tomorrow and all of some, the carbon tax is gone? Yeah. Oh, you look, do a double-pick. One of our biggest, one of Pierre's like big talk. Yeah. Is gone.

Absolutely. Boom, done. Yeah. Solved the problem. Yep. We got rid of it. Mm-hmm. Except I keep forgetting that.

Trudeau sucks as a leader. Right. But his advisors suck too. There's a, I'm so bummed. I can't remember his name. I think the king's name is Jeroboam. His story is in the kings. There's two chapters.

There's two books of kings, first kings and second kings. I wish I could remember the scripture. It's okay. There's a new king that comes to Israel. Israel's split now, I believe. Anyways, it's a new king that shows up in ancient Israel. And his advisors go, your dad was pretty harsh against the people.

I'm sure his name is Jeroboam. You should be a little bit less harsh. These are what the old advisors are saying. Be a little bit less harsh on the people. Give them a couple breaks and then they'll love you. But Jeroboam has young advisors too. And the young advisors go to him, this young and pompous king, and they say, no, you should actually be doubly hard on the people.

Don't just oppress them like your father did. Like you crush them. Let them know that you're this powerful, you know, practically omnipotent king and you will rule them. And so that's what Jeroboam does. And then of course the people lose it. They're frustrated. They're furious because it's like, are you kidding me? We're hardly making it as it is and you want to oppress us with more tax and heavier burden, heavier labor, et cetera. Nothing changes. Nothing new under the sun. You can switch Jeroboam's name for Trudeau. It's the same story. Same story. This fact that there's a carbon tax at all is

ridiculous. Switch, here's one for my childhood. Switch out, with Prince John from Robin Hood. Right? Just taxes and taxes and taxes. Taxes and taxes. The ruthlessness and the lack of mercy that these leaders show

against people who are suffering and struggling is reprehensible. It's ridiculous that there's a carbon tax at all. The fact that there's a carbon tax at this time when people are suffering is unthinkable. Like it's cruel. Unbelievably cruel.

And Pollyev is right. It's going to get so much. worst. Like you said, that carbon tax keeps increasing. It isn't plateauing. It's the opposite. Good luck paying for fuel come 20, 30. Well, I mean, Chris Sims was the first one I had on. And she's obviously been on multiple times where she just, you know, she lays it down so well. Man, that woman, you know, she gets a lot of praise here and it's well deserved because she can just lay it down like where, you know, play this out over the next seven years. Yep. Like let's just look seven years out and see where we're at.

Yeah. With this carbon tax, own the second carbon tax, and everything else going on. We're in a world of hurt. Lots of hurt. What do you think the purpose of the carbon tax is?

Control? Yeah. Like, I mean, honestly, at this point, any, I'm learning anytime money goes out of my pocket to any government,

I get less of that back. Amen. That's exactly right. Like, there's no, there's no logical explanation for this carbon tax because clearly it's not

slowing our usage of carbon just yet. Like, we're still, carbon, gasoline is what we call in economics, it's an inelastic good, which means that as price changes, your consumption of it doesn't really change. Whether gas is a dollar or a dollar 30, you still have to drive to work. And so you're still going to fill up your car about the same amount of times per month. It might vary the littlest bit, but not really. Right, that's the way

carbon is. Whether it's, you know, for ease of arithmetic, whether it's a dollar per, you know, unit of natural gas or $10, you still have to heat your home. If you don't, things are going to freeze. So you still have to pay for those things. So even though it's true that tax distorts price and therefore changes demand, it doesn't change it nearly as much with carbon, with gasoline, with natural gas, with oil, as it does other goods. So the idea then that this government is trying to save the planet using a carbon tax as nonsense, instead, like you said, said it's for something else entirely. And then in that instance, if you look at that policy only from that angle, then it's a good policy. Like if the purpose is to control people or is to

steer the society in a new direction, it's a powerful policy that as far as the liberals are concerned is working very well because people are starting to get stressed. They don't know what to do. You can't keep heating their homes at the prices we're at right now. Wait till 2030. I think it was in his press conference. Geez, I was just wondering if I could pull it up, you know, where he says, I can't remember if he says it directly like this, though. Does he say it didn't curb people's, like I'm butchering it, but one of the things he says in the press conference is he basically says the carbon tax

is to direct society. Yes, he did say that. Yes, he did. And he goes, we didn't realize. out in eastern Canada like they don't have any other option. Yeah, right. That's right. That's correct. And you're like, there it is, folks. Like right there. Yep. And then he goes on to say that he listens to the people all the time.

You're like, right. Right. You are delusional man. Yeah. But it's true. Unless, again, his motives are ulterior, which I believe they are. Like I've always, on my show, I say all the time, Trudeau serves Antichrist. That man is Antichrist. He hates Jesus. When you say he serves Antichrist, what do you mean by that? Oh, that's a good question. Okay, so in John, in the in the later John's the first, second, third John. He's clear. He's like, anyone who's against Christ is anti-Christ. Okay.

That's clear. And you know what? When we were listening to at the start there, before we went on the show, there was that statement. That's right, where he's like, either you can be of Christ's mind or of Satan's mind. Absolutely correct. 100% true. Christ is so clear in the scriptures where he's like, you can't serve two masters. You will either love one and hate the other, or you'll despise one and cherish

the other. There is no middle ground. There is no in between. There are two sides and you can't be on the fence. Choose a side and that's the side you're on. Okay. So in that case then, those who hate Christ, those who refuse Christ are Antichrist. Their thinking is Antichrist. So Trudeau falls into that category. But there's also in the scriptures of prophecy, right, in Daniel, in Revelation, of course, in Second Thessalonians that speaks about an actual being named Antichrist. We call him Antichrist. It's described as a beast or as a man of lawlessness, but he's called Antichrist. So that isn't just a right, this isn't just a common man who hates Christ.

No, this is the world's final dictator, the, the most powerful and successful, though evil, dictator the world's ever seen. He's the, he's Antichrist. And so I believe that Trudeau, again, now this is where, you know, if, if, if, you know, if Antichrist were visible right now, that man. Trudeau would serve him too. And so I think he's, you know, when you read the scriptures of revelation, you see, of course, there's this massive tribulation that's coming to the world. There's this great seven years of suffering and terror as this dictator rules with an iron fist. And I think Trudeau serves him as well.

I'm not saying anti-crises on the earth right now. Maybe he is. Maybe he's not. I don't know. But when you watch what Trudeau's doing, there's certainly a plan to help that individual conquer power. create power. Because I know that's more, well, it's being talked about more and more, which is good. It never, it didn't used to be, but now it is.

Yeah. Daniel, Revelation, Isaiah has some prophecy on that. Paul is very clear in second Thessalonians about this man of lawlessness. He's this mighty dictator. And if he were today to reveal himself, you know, he hasn't, but if he were to today reveal himself, I have no doubt Trudeau would be the first to say, yes, King, what would you have me do? Mm-hmm. So it's both.

I always come back to the, like, well, think about Trudeau, okay? It's come out now in the recent week that him and his wife have been split, you know, for three years. Yeah. Right. Let's just, let's just on face value. Anytime you go, like, anytime I have to assume that he loved his, like, I have to make some simple assumption. Sure. He loved his wife.

Sure. He loved having a family. Yeah. a family that's together. It's not like all of a sudden he loses his kids. I just mean that, you know, all those things were good. And that job, whether you love or hate Trudeau, has to be stressful. Oh, certainly.

Okay? So, and you're going all over, and we think it's, oh, it's jet-setting to Indian. It's jet-setting here, and it's jet-setting. And so he comes in in 2015, and he is the poster child. He is love. They are, they are, they are, they are, you're amazing, amazing. Oh, you know, you're so good-looking, and you've got this great hand. And it just goes,

on and on and on. I want to vomit, but you get the point. Yeah. Because there's people here, you know, maybe hated who Troto was, but still thought he was a good-looking guy. Sure. He was a great speaker and all these different things. Sure. Now, over the course of his tenure, yeah. Probably, you know, now, once again, I don't remember Pierre. Yeah. Like his father, sorry.

And I don't remember all the, you know, the prime ministers of all time. Yep. but certainly in my lifetime and talking to older people. This is the worst prime minister we've ever had. Sure. And it is going down the toilet. Yep. In historical fact, there are fireworks going off at this point.

Like, it is just like there's going to be, you think of the day he loses the election. Oh. There is going to be a party like nobody's, nobody else. National holiday, at least in Alberta. At least in Alberta, right? The West, yeah. And along the way, whether he is paying attention or not, he has to be paying attention. attention at some point.

Yeah. He has fallen down. Like, whether it's just the polls, somebody around him has to be going, well, the pools, we're not doing this. That's why we're giving Atlantic Canada. Yeah, a break. Yeah. Now, now it all makes sense with his wife, right?

Because everybody's been kind of like, man, she doesn't, you know, the joke has been going, she doesn't even like him, you know? Yeah. It's like, so what has he been saying? Mm-hmm. But now you understand for three years, it's been photo ops. Mm-hmm. And so now you have, one of the things I've always said on here is, you know, like,

whatever this thing does, if I lose what I have at home, I'm screwed. Yeah. And I look at him and I go, whether he sold his soul or not, he lost everything at home. Yeah. Right? Yeah. His kids are going to grow up, you know, and they are growing up, knowing that his father put country over family. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. When he should have been working on his wife and lost an election, probably. Yeah. or or taking a step down and let somebody else for the liberal party go fix it he's like no we're going to take some photo ops we're going to win again yeah this is way too important it's more important than you yeah because that's way my eyes look at it yeah absolutely remember that what's the uh christ is on the cross and like one of the last commands he gives before he's resurrected of course to john is my mother is now your mother so even though you're to preach this mighty gospel and you know and and write these books that will be read forever and you're for you you have to take care of my mother. The family is the foundation of society. And so to neglect that, as you mentioned, is a grievous sin.

It's a terrible problem. You have all of these men and women who are so focused on power and wanting power that they will sacrifice anything to achieve it. It's not natural. It's unnatural. It's a tragedy. And it's the story of Scripture too. Look at Solomon.

Here's Solomon, the wisest man other than Christ, to ever live. He seeks wisdom. He gets it. You know, he praised Almighty. He writes these brilliant books. The wisdom that's contained in the Proverbs in Ecclesiastes and so on is mind-blowing. It's magnificent. And yet, in power, he stumbles, right? This guy, you know, acquires hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of women for himself

because he's completely infatuated with power. It corrupts him. David's the same. No, that's not true to say power corrupts him. That's actually not true. what is true is that power enables the human corruption to manifest easier than it otherwise could have. All of these leaders in government can do just about whatever they want. They can actually literally shut down testimony when an RCMP commissioner is before them because they don't want to hear anything.

And no one bats an eye. We're upset about it, but they're like, well, what are you going to do about it? Nothing. If you or I did that, right, can you imagine? Well, you're in jail. Yeah, of course, because we don't have the. Cout's four, man. Yeah, of course.

Of course. Love or hate, you can go anywhere you want on the Coots 4. Yep. Four against. These guys have been held six hundred plus days. They got, like, it looks like there's end insight. But like the end in sight, I thought was going to happen like three months ago. And here we are three months later. And they're still in there. Yeah, it's disgraceful. It's disgraceful. But so, so because those men don't have political power, like Trudeau has political power, then they, they're not able to, well, you know, they can't manipulate. things like government can. And when government manipulates things or does what's wrong, because they're in power,

they can quote unquote, get away with it for now. Christ is coming back. But at any rate, so men in power then, women in power have an ability to exercise sinful desires without consequence,

at least for the moment, and so they do so. That's why power is so unnatural. It's very dangerous. It happens to David. Here's David. Righteous man. Kills his best friend,

puts him at the front of a battle so he can have his wife. It's disgusting sin. Even David, right? David, Solomon, Samson. I saw that book on Samson. You know, same thing. Here's Samson.

He's a judge. Like literally, like literally a powerful judge. He's strong, physically strong. Wants a lady because he's in a position of power. He can, yeah, he can have her. Leads to his downfall. Happens so often. Where men in power, because again their sin is able to manifest without consequence,

it does so to a greater degree than what, what is of course desirable. No sin is desirable, but men in power and women in power can be very dangerous with it. That's why people like Joseph, Daniel, Nehemiah, Ezra, all of these men who are in politics

and yet didn't exercise that corruption are so mighty in the eyes of the Lord. That's why they're so righteous. Not righteous, no, the righteous because of Christ, but it's why they're so venerated. Is it poor form to bring up Lord of the Rings? No, not at all. That's why, this is why Frodo,

And Aragon, well, Aragon's great, but they're all great. But this is why those characters are so wonderful. Tolkien had a brilliant understanding of the dangers of power. Well, I just think he tries giving the ring to just about everyone. Just about everybody. And the resounding thing is, please don't. Yeah, please don't. Because I don't, you know, although you think I'm a wonderful person, I don't know what I'd do with that.

Yeah. Like, yeah, Errigorn and Gandalf, brilliant. Yeah. Because they're there, and that's why those are. the men we want in power, those individuals. Like, probably every single politician we have right now, I'm maybe exaggerating a bit, but the overwhelming majority of them, 95, 98 plus percent of them, if they were offered the ring would say, absolutely, I need this, and I'll do good with it.

Nonsense. I'm looking, we're all looking for the man or the woman who says, I don't want that, because I know what I'm capable of. Don't give that to me. I don't want that ring. It's dangerous. Do we got any of those? Don't know.

It's a good question. All of these people who from a young age wanted power, all from a young age wanted to be in politics. That is not the individual I want, or individuals I want in power. I've been involved in politics from 16 years old, says the hopeful politician. Yeah, that's an immediate X in my mind.

That is not a person I want in power. So Pierre being a lifetime politician or even taking it closer to home, Daniel Smith being a lifetime politician. Yep, dangerous. I mean, they can do good. It's not saying they can't do good and they haven't done good. But one of my favorite quotes is by Tolkien.

He is like, there is nothing more unnatural than power. No one, not one in a million is fit for it, he says. He says not even saints who at least at any rate he goes weren't wanting to take it on. But he says, no one is fit for it. And least of all the one who seeks the opportunity. What's a common denominator in all these venerated leaders in the scripture? Joseph, Daniel, Moses, Joshua, Nehemiah, Ezra, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, none of them sought power. They were granted it. Daniel's taken captive. He's put in the king's service by the Babylonians.

Moses is called by Almighty God, not because he wants it, but because he sees a burning bush. Joseph is put into service first of Potiphar, and then a pharaoh. Nehemiah, same thing. Esther. She's taken into be the bride of Ardazerxes. All of these stories are the same in that these people did not seek power. And so when they were gifted it, they used it appropriately. And for a short of time as they could handle, they didn't want it very long. David, even though David made a mistake, same thing, he's a shepherd, didn't want power. There's this new, there is this new, it's not new anymore, but there's this prevailing, you know, way of raising children these days, specifically young women, to say you're a princess.

Be a princess. Princess. That isn't how proper princesses are made. It's one thing to be feminine, of course. But to say, I'm a princess is something different entirely. A true princess is a... Look at the Proverbs 31 woman. She's a worker.

She's humble. She doesn't think of herself as someone who dresses up in glam. Peter's clear in his two books where he says, the beauty of a woman is not from how she does her hair. What sparkles she puts on her face, how she wears a dress. No, no. First, it's the spirit. Raise a woman to be, you know, a hard worker, one who loves this and that, one who loves to serve the Lord, then you have a princess. Yeah, it's what's between the years.

It's what's between, it's the chest. That's always bring up abolition of man. That's why I love Abilat, that first chapter, because Lewis is like, it's all about, what passions do you have? What sentiments do you have? You do something right, that's right because it is right. Yeah. I shouldn't ask this, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Anyways, how's the dating life going?

Oh, well, isn't that interesting? I have a very lovely woman that I'm dating. Do you? Tis true. Oh, yes, her name is Paige. She's quite lovely, and I met her through my brother's wife. So she is best friends with my brother's wife's family. I chuckle about it because I'm sitting here and listen to this.

I'm like, imagine meeting you in the bar, you know, or wherever you want out in the field i don't care and you're just going i mean like on on this side it just makes me smile i just chuckle about it you know like tanner trying to anyways i i laugh about it though because my my journey took me to my life uh my wife yeah and probably um the first thing i noticed you know uh i'm not a i guess i'm i guess i'm not a believer in love at first sake because right that's not how i experienced it um and saying that like I knew very early on, like I started talking to her. And I'm like, you are different than every girl I've ever met.

Like, what is it about you? And to me, of course, like, it's hard not to just go on looks alone because, I mean, women are, you know, pretty natural for women to be attractive. And so the way they doll themselves up and everything, geez, like, I'm just, I just walk away. Like today, I don't have to worry about it because I'm married and everything. But like, when there's a girl. Yeah. And I go to my wife, I'm like, ah, she's probably what, like 20?

And she'll look at me and she's like, do you have any idea? And I'm like, no. And I don't want anyone. I just walk away. There's no point, right? Yeah. I have no one. I can't tell anymore.

Yeah, you can't. Like there were kids. Yeah. And it was like, that's a kid. That's a kid. That's a kid. But women, man, I just, there's no, I put my hands up. I walk away because like a woman now, you can be like 16 and look like you're 28.

Yeah. I'm like, what the heck? Yeah. That's not supposed to happen. That's not supposed to happen. It's not supposed to happen. It's this overwhelming sexualization of children in society. It's sick.

It's reprehensible. Yeah. It's tragic. Never once in the scripture does it say that's normal or right? It's the opposite. It's funny. I do find interesting now. I haven't been through the entire scripture, folks.

I get told that, you know, you got to do certain things and you got to do it. And I can't think of anything off top of my head, which is terrible. I'm trying to make an example. But in the Bible, it never talks about it. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Also like gambling, say. Sure. Sure.

No, but not even that. It's, it's, and maybe I'm wrong on this. Like, I've been, I've been trying to find a church, okay? Yeah, yeah. Now, I haven't been trying that hard. I've gone to a couple and I just went. Yeah. It just isn't for me.

Yeah. I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. When the church presents itself, like when I walk in, I sit down and I go, now this is a place. Yeah. It'll just know. Maybe I'm wrong. But in my life, so far, that's how it's been happening.

Okay? And I get more than my fair share telling you got to go to church, man. And I'm like, I understand. But am I supposed to go to church just to suffer? Right. Is that what it's supposed to be? Right. That's a good question.

No. No, not at all. It's, no, you go to church firstly to be with a community of believers. Also to hear the scripture, the truth. It's I compare church to a barrack. Here you are, here we all are in a war. Sure. Ideological war, it's the world's ruthless.

Politicians are ruthless. I'm reading this Frank Peretti book. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. Two churches in this town. Yeah. One is teaching like New Age.

It reminds me of the United Church right now. Like just very like everyone's welcome. Yeah. And I'm not saying that everyone isn't welcome at every other church. Right. But like, screwing up what's in the Bible. That's what it looks like to me. Now, I don't know if that's what's happened, but that's what it looks like.

Okay? Yep. So you got that. And then this other church comes. Yeah. And it's got this young pastor. I'm ruining the book, but anyways. And he comes in and he starts like speaking fire.

Now, just speaking from the Bible. Yeah. And he starts to awaken what Frank Peretti calls the remnant. And I'm like, oh, this is fascinating. Yeah. This is really fascinating. Yeah. Because to me, I'm like, nowhere in the Bible does it say that I,

I've seen, go to church all the time, make sure do to do to do, this is the outline. And maybe I've, maybe my brain is just shut off when I read that part. I see like a lot of different things, one of being like read the Bible. Okay. Or in the scriptures. In the Hebrews, when you read Hebrews again, there's a verse in it that says meet together with believers, even though he says many are not in the habit of doing so anymore. They've lost it.

They don't meet together, but you must. So that's the immediate passage that comes to mind. But, yes, you can't go to a, if a church... What defines a church then? Oh, that's a very good question. What does Paul say in Colossians? I'm thinking it's Colossians. Colossians 1.15 to 18.

Paul says Christ is the head of the body, the church. So the church is a body, it's the body of believers, this compendium of believers, who are, they represent this kingdom of Christ. In its fullest sense, that's what the church is. And so when we attend church Sunday morning, that it's a physical manifestation of that meeting together, of that meeting in a body.

But the Colossians say Christ is the head of the body, the church. So it's this body of believers. But it doesn't say a church has to be 20 feet wide by 40 feet. see along with a cross at the front and whatever doors and you got to have an usher at the front. That's right. It doesn't say anything like that. No, no.

So in theory, you could have a church in the middle of the woods and have 20 people show up and you got a church. Oh, yes. Look at you had to read the axe. That's exactly what happened in the axe. All of these believers are meeting at people's homes to church. We're going to church and other people. Don't you feel like that's kind of what's going on right now?

Yeah, yes, I do. I'm not saying, and I want to be very clear. Sorry, I'm being a little bit coy here. I'm not saying that if you're going to church that you're out to lunch at all. I just think there's this huge group of people. I think there's this huge group of people. They're listening right now, and they don't want to go to church. They've been turned off, they're going away.

And what they're finding is, is they're finding their own little spots where they're doing exactly what I'm doing with you right now. Now, obviously, this isn't church, folks, but you get the point. And think of the pastor from Minnesota. I think it's Duluth who, went through the Bible in a year, right? Wasn't it a calendar year? And so many people tuned to that.

Sure. And I go, I think this is happening more and more. Yes, it is. It is because the churches have failed in their task. I was on Stephen Rogers the other day. He's this retired lieutenant who lives in, I think he lives in New Jersey. He's on Fox News and stuff. And he has a campaign called, I wish I could remember it now.

I know it because I'm on the show all the time. I think it's campaign for America. Anyways, smart man, kind man, wise man. And he was talking about the churches in the States saying the same thing where he said so many of them refused to preach what's happening in the world right now. And so people go to get, when they go to get fed at church, they find they leave hungry, because they're not fed. And so something has to change.

Yep. And so again, the scriptures are, this is what, again, it's happened throughout all of the scriptures where you have believers meeting in homes around the world. right now you have the meeting in secret we're very blessed in Canada to not yet meet in secret like we had not like we have to do so and that's where the the remnant is strongest because it's those who actually are seeking desperately to know to know truth so Elijah is chased out of the town by by Jezebel wicked Jezebel Elijah wins this mighty victory at Mount Carmel against the prophets of bail he kills all of them which is or he says he tells the people to do so because they're so

evil. And then Jezebel, who's the wife of Ahab, who's the ancient example of Trudeau, and I believe that, I mean that honestly, Ahab is a perfect partner to Trudeau. They're the same. They're weak men. She's furious, Jezebel. And so she tries to kill Elijah. So Elijah runs away, and he's depressed. He says, just kill me now, Lord. I'm so sick of this and these people. He's like, I'm the only one left. And God's like, no, you're not. There are thousands left that still serves. me and worship me who haven't bowed the need to bail but they're kind of in hiding right now because they have to be but there is a remnant and so go back and be encouraged and so on and elijah does same thing here sometimes it doesn't seem like there's so many who are earnestly seeking but there are

there are well i hope i can put this in words but i'm like the thing i struggle with is like i don't think my way is the right way for everyone to fall i don't even want to try and put that out Right? Like, I just, it's been an interesting journey to say the least. Geez, was it a year ago I was sitting here arguing with you about all this? Sure. Now, you know, people can catch on, I think. But like, there's just times where it just doesn't feel right, right?

And I don't know if that's the Holy Spirit. I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's Jesus. I don't know what that is. Where discernment and you're just like, I'm just tired of being told what I should do. And certain people want to do that. Whether we're talking politics, all the way down to your family life, all the way into your spiritual world, like everything. They just, they feel like they got it done,

and this is the way it's going to be. There it is. Do that. And that's like my first red flag all the time. I'm like, man, people probably get upset because I like to talk about this. This is very, this topic just fascinates me. Sure. It just fascinates me.

It's a time in life where I talk COVID for 100 episodes. episodes in a roll. Yeah. Didn't talk about anything but COVID. Yeah. Even I went to a dark place, folks. Yeah. Absolutely.

And here I am, and I'm on this other side now where I'm like, do I want to get off talking Jesus? Like just as a topic. I'm like, I don't know. I really find it fascinating. And the more I talk about it, then stranger things happen. Yeah, the deeper it gets. Yes, which is good. Yeah.

But then also, the sudden the people come in that want to tell you how to do it. And I find that very funny, very interesting. With your convictions, how do you know if your convictions are right? What do you measure it against? I go back and I read the Bible. You must. It's exactly the answer. So if something feels off, let's test it. What do we test it against?

Let's test it against Scripture. Why do we test it against Scripture? Because Christ was raised from the dead. Proving, because you affirm the entire Scripture, that all that it said was true, that's the foundation. That's the test. And then if the scripture disagrees with what, you know, you're concerned about, then, like, if you have, if what the person say is preaching disagrees with scripture

and you're concerned about that, you're in the right. Your conviction is correct. If instead what the person is preaching about agrees with the scripture, then the conviction needs to change. So you're saying take what the argument is or what you're feeling and go back to the scripture and find the verse where it talks about the passage, yeah. The passage, thank you. Yeah.

Where, and then read it. Read it. Go. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That is truth. That is truth.

From that all truth follows. All, all, you know, reality follows. Otherwise, it just, yeah, things become subjective. You have to have somewhere to start. That's where we start. Must. It's interesting. Have you, did you, have you listened to like James Coats and, uh, and Stevens?

and then when I brought on the Catholic and, you know, like, there's this, this, like, this soup of, of, like, people going at each other and everything else. I'm like, for once, I'm like, I really have no say in this. I mean, I do and I don't, right? Like, I just, I don't feel the animosity

that words any of them. Right. This is interesting. I've stepped on such a hot button thing. Yes. Yes. Which is excellent. That's, trust me, Christ did the exact same thing.

There's no one more hot button than he. Yeah. No one has, you know, all of the politicians are there. It's funny.

You don't, you don't think about them like that though, do you? No. But when you read the story now and think about it, you're absolutely right.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, he literally got put up on the cross force. Of course. Of course. But, but yeah,

no one has caused such division in history. His, his gospel is a sword. That's what Hebrew says too. It's a sharp double-edged sword. And it cuts down those who, who,

well, it cuts down everyone. It says, here is the truth, accept it or don't believe it or don't very simple it's a very simple gospel be repent of your sins be saved by christ inherit eternal life refuse don't inherit hell that's the end of it and that's caused so much division because it it completely contradicts what man believes in his own eyes to be right and every other politician's dead Stalin's gone you know caiaphas the high priest who killed christ is gone

pilots gone emperors are gone all of them are gone they're kind of remembered in history but none of them have the influence that Christ has today none of them are spoken of like Christ is spoken of all of them wielded more power at least politically than Christ did and yet no one is as influential as Christ

not a soul no one can compare raised from the dead so you're right where sometimes men are like you have to do it this way and it's like well all I care about is Christ Christ says you have to do it this way. You must believe in me.

Remember when I said to you the first time we sat here and one of the things that bothered me about Christians was Armageddon and you have to do it fast. You have to do it fast. That's right. You got to do it this way. You got to, and I feel like I'm just talking to my, you know, and I'm trying, I'm exploring this subject.

Yeah. Obviously quite a lot. Yes. Some people love it. Some people freaking hate it. Yeah. This is, to be expected, of course. This is life.

You know, but it's interesting. With that, it's going to become, like, people need to understand. That's going to be uncomfortable. Yes. Because what I was thinking the other day is I'm like, man, imagine being 75. You've been reading the Bible all your life. You've been just, you've just been in it. Yep.

Ah, you're such a young kid. Then you're getting it wrong, but that's okay. Because you have to have this patience of like, if he keeps going this way, eventually he's going to ping and some may take a year or some may take two days. but if you don't go exploring, I'm telling people right now, if I don't go exploring, this ain't going to be fun.

And it probably ain't going to do what you want me to do with it. Now, it doesn't mean go worship for a year by any stretch. Of course. Obviously, I haven't been doing that. No. But if you don't,

if you cut the conversations out, I mean, what has got us to this point? Conversations, right. Lots of people who disagree vehemently on a lot of different subjects. Lots of subjects.

What does Paul say? 2 Corinthians. He goes in 2nd Corinthians 6, 1 and 2. And he's imploring the, this is what I would say to you. He's imploring the Corinthians to, no, well, he is imploring them. He says, basically he says, right now is the day of salvation. Today is the day to accept Christ. He's like, don't wait. Even though, of course, you're searching for truth. What it is is, Paul says, we're all searching for truth. He says, here is the truth. I found it. So he says, now is the day of salvation. God's grace is given to you today. Have it today.

Even though, yeah, because I love Spurgeon's quote where he's like the heart just hanging by a thread over hell. It's just dangling. I got to re re-preface myself then. I agree. I've already done that. But people get interested in the little tiny details, which I find very fast. Oh, yes, that's true.

Christians have a terrible tendency of doing that. Legalism. The legalism is nonsense because it's anti-gospicable. Does it say, well, no, but it does say in there some different places. What I'm talking about is judging your fellow human being. Your fellow Christian. Yep. Right?

Yep. I keep reading in there, you know, basically you don't need to judge. You know what? That's for him to do. Not for, you know, I see something, you know, I don't know. Go to the scripture, man. I don't know. Like, I'm not here to judge you.

Now, in fairness, in fairness to that, I was just telling a guy a day or two ago, you know, when it comes to the family, though, I'm not going to promote promiscuity or anything like that. Absolutely. Like, I think that that's a root of pretty much all evil. And like when you come around, like, in order to bring people around my family, I want them to be shared the same values. Because if they don't, it's just going to seed. Absolutely. Bad company corrupts good character. So maybe I'm contradicting myself as I go here.

Because, you know, one of the things that bothers me, I do in a different sense. Or I do at the same time and just not. This is the story. You've just, you've been reading the scripture. Because it's exactly what Paul says. He says the exact thing where he's like, now I have to think where it is. It might be Romans 7. I think it's Roman 7.

Basically, Paul says, we like to say we don't do these things. And yet we turn around and do the very things we say we're not doing. We're not going to do. it's hilarious because he's like you know on on one hand we say I'm not doing this no it isn't roman 7 that's a lie I'm sorry I think it's Romans 2 where basically Paul says yeah he says on one hand you say you're going to do this but then you actually don't do it or if you say you're not doing something you do it in a different light that's just the way legalism works so with judging it's no sin to judge there's no sin in that Matthew 7's pretty clear it's that the measure you use to judge someone

it will also be used to judge you. So Paul says in 1 Corinthians 4, verse 5, that judge nothing before the appointed time. He says, wait until the Lord returns. He says, then everything will be exposed and brought to light. But at the same time, Paul is also in Corinthians blasting them for their sin, because the scripture is clear. It's not really Paul judging them so much as it is the scripture judging them. And Paul, being an ambassador, which he says in Ephesians, I'm an ambassador in chains,

is carrying out that proclamation. He's like he's just a messenger. That's what a Christian ought to be. So when John the Baptist, who Christ calls the greatest prophet because he announces the imminent Messiah, goes to Herod and says, you've taken your brother's wife, you vile man, and is therefore executed for that, it's a righteous thing.

Because it's not John saying, I don't like what you're doing, even though he doesn't. It's the scripture saying, God doesn't like what you're doing. I'm telling you what God's said in the scripture. here it is. So when I say that Trudeau, by promoting euthanasia is being wicked,

it's me being a messenger from the scripture. What you're saying is the more I read, if I'm catching this, the more I read and the more I understand, the more I'm going to feel compelled to do exactly what I do with family, family values. Because if you walked in here today

and said, you know, let's just go off air. We're going to act like it was an off air discussion and you said you know like yeah I'm gonna go to I don't care Phoenix a couple I can't wait to get down there you know family's not coming and I'm just gonna go have some fun and you know whatever it doesn't matter like oh yeah and and then if you you know and if we kept talking eventually what I would be like is honestly man I'm at a position where I'd rather my family come I'm not saying I never want to go on a boy's trip or anything else but it's funny we we just had a Saturday my wife and I

with the kids where we took them swimming and then we took them to the Paw Patrol movie in theater. And I thought the Paw Patrol movie folks was going to be junk. And I'm not sitting here saying that it's like, you know, it's a masterpiece. Masterpiece. But for Paw Patrol, it was actually pretty good. And then we went over to Friends House that night

and I've been on sober October so I'm not drinking or anything, right? So at the end of it, you know, we're laying in bed. And I'm like, that was a pretty good day. And I'm like, those days are a lot of fun. You don't need to go anywhere to find them. I mean, sure, we went to the pool into a movie theater, but you literally could go to the farm or wherever you want. And the world is your playground.

Go have a little bit of fun. It is. And it's funny. I find I push that more and more now than I do. Like, let's go to Phoenix and let's go get, you know, hogtied wild. Amen. And I feel like where some of that comes from is certainly been the Bible, if not a few other things I've read before there.

But certainly I find myself getting. to a point where I probably preached that a little bit more. Yep. And what I'm saying, or I think I think I'm saying, is as I read it more, more things are going to start to piece together. Yeah. And I'm going to become more of a guy who's not fun to be around. No, that's the opposite.

It's more fun to be around. The families, the life is so much larger in the way you just described. People don't live by getting wasted on a weekend. That's not living. That's dying. I guess what I mean is I'm going to become more. In saying this, I find them the most interesting guess is when they're so black and white. Pedophilia is wrong, which I think we can all agree is wrong.

Yes. But the guy who's like, it's not only wrong, and then he'll lay out like three things. And he doesn't need to say anything more. You're sitting here, it's almost uncovering. You're like, yeah. Yeah. No, life is so much larger. I don't know why I pick on pedophilia.

That one's black and white. But you know. That one is black and white. Gambling or something like that where it's kind of a gray zone, I guess. Right. Gambling isn't that big of a deal. What's wrong with gambling? Right.

Sure. That's probably more of a gray zone. Pedophilia. Sorry, folks. That's a poor example. Right. But yeah, I know what you mean with the, yeah, with gambling, same thing. Where gambling is a sin, but people go, well, it's never explicitly mentioned in a scripture.

Like, God never says in the Ten Commandments, Thou shall not gamble. Therefore, perhaps it's not a sin. Men will do just about anything to justify it. But it's like, well... But the thing, that's what I'm coming back to. Like, when I start reading the Bible, I think it's discernment, right? Where you can just, like, that just feels wrong. Yep.

And the thing about, like, a lot of different things is, like, good or bad. That's what the Bible helps you do, is discern the world. No? Yes, that's exactly what it does. It makes sense of what otherwise can't be understood. It's, yes, because nothing. makes sense apart from Christ. That's what it does. It helps you to

understand reality. It's a map. It's a blueprint. It's a guide. It's it's the structure of the world. Yeah. So, and you're right where you have a conviction. Again, you go back to the teacher, Ecclesiastes, and he's like, we have a ticker basically in our heart. We've been given. It's not the same as a law.

It's not the same as the Ten Commandments, but it's a ticker that says, I think I'm doing wrong. Or I think I'm doing right. Now, that conscience can be silenced. The more men engage in evil, the quieter and quieter that knocking becomes. But on its own, it's, yeah, it's a... But wherever you sit then, no matter the deeds you've done, no matter how dark the world is, if you just sit, you'll be able to hear the knock. I'm trying to think of a scripture here.

Because what you just said while you think is the longer you go, the choir or the knock kit. That's true. That's just true based on observation. But if you become quiet, you might be able to hear the knock. Yes. Okay, so let's go to Pharaoh in Exodus. Moses time and time again gives him, or, you know,

through God using Moses, gives him plagues. Wake up, Pharaoh. Let my people go. And each time Farrell's heart becomes harder and harder and harder and harder. This says this is a very interesting passage in Romans 9, 13 to 18-ish somewhere right around there. God's like, God's talking about how he actually hardened Pharaoh's heart. It's a duel that happens at the same time.

Farrow hardens his heart and God hardens it too. So that knock using by God becomes quieter and quieter for Pharaoh until he becomes insane, right? He can't hear anything. But in Second Chronicle 7, verse 14, God's like, if a people repent, then I'll heal their land. if they seek my face, if a man sits and says, what am I to do, Lord? That knocking will, will, oh, I'll be careful here. That promise is clear.

But then when you read Hebrews again, and that's Hebrews 6, 4 to 6, the author goes, there comes a time when after tasting the heavenly gift, interacting with the Holy Spirit, you know, seeing the power of God, knowing the truth,

and yet reject, it, that conviction's gone. It's silent. I just read that this moment. Yeah, Hebrew 6, 4 to 6. That's a heavy passage. And so is 2nd, or 2nd Thessalonians. 2nd Thessalonians 2, 8 to 12. And this is talking now about Antichrist and Tribulation, but Paul says, there are those who have loved wickedness, continue to love wickedness, and don't want the truth. And so when Antichrist comes, they're going to be given a delusion so that they will serve the light. they will not be saved.

That knock is gone. Their desire for any repentance is gone, and it won't come back. So the answer is, maybe, but maybe, but not. So if you're silent, if a man is earnest right now in his desire to repent of his sin,

even though he's been engaging in, you know, sinful activities, if he earnestly seeks the Lord, the Lord will save him. That's clear in the scripture. All who come to me, all the father gives to me will be saved. On the other hand,

for those who are, in essence, testing God, playing with him, those who love wickedness and refuse the truth, they can't hear it. Hebrews 6, 4 to 6, 2. Thessalonians 2, 8 to 12, Romans 9, actually almost the whole of Romans 9, but Romans 9, 13 to 17, 18, story of Pharaoh are all excellent examples of that simultaneous truth. Nebuchad Kinezzar is a good story because his heart is hard, but then he does repent after seeing, you know, the men in the furnace, his insanity, after his insanity, he returns, he comes to the Almighty. Other leaders are the opposite. Don't test Almighty, that's what I would say.

That second Corinthian scripture is clear. Second Corinthians 6, Paul is like the day of salvation is right now. It's today. Don't wait, because you might never have an opportunity again. It's right here. Salvation is today. God's mercy is for you today. 10 years in the future.

It's not 40 years in the future. It's right now. And you can hear it, Paul, he's begging because he's got such a heart for these lost people. Yeah. Yeah, today. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this.

Oh, my pleasure. These are great. These are so much fun. The, I don't know, I feel fortunate to have such a, I don't know, a guest, a resource. I've got several of them, right? That I just enjoy sitting across

and having a coffee in the mornings, you know? and having a little bit of a discussion and certainly, you know, a little bit of politics mixed in with everything else we talked about, but appreciate you doing this and coming in and sitting with me. And it won't, folks, it will not be the last time.

No worries, because I'll get a, I'll get a, just a maraud of text. Not saying, um, Wednesday's coming on next, but just like, make sure you have them on. No worries. Tanner's going, in my mind, Tanner's going nowhere, you know, until he decides he's leaving Lloyd Minster and then we got, we got,

we got to go track him down. elsewhere but regardless look forward to every time you come in the studio and sit and have a chat and and while I look forward to them to the next one and what he doesn't realize I think we did this last time is we're going to this is going to this is going to be the end of the portion on Spotify and we've been working on substack nice and last time it was Patreon and we're well regardless we're switching everything over to page over to substack so the substack for anyone who wants to continue listening, it'll be in the show notes, click up, sign up, come see what

else we talk about for a couple extra minutes. So thanks Tanner for hopping on, and we'll continue to chat here on Substack in a couple seconds.