Shaun Newman Podcast - #535 - Curtis Stone

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

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So, sir, thanks for hopping on. My pleasure. Happy to be here. You gotta give us a little bit of your background, Curtis. I've been following you on Twitter now, and I feel like somewhere along the line I knew all about the urban farmer part of it, or maybe that is, it's still it. I don't know, because I think it says you're formerly known as that,

and I'm like, oh, he does, anyways. Lead us through the story, because I'm kind of curious, well, I'm really curious, and I assume a lot of people are going to be going to be really curious about your story and some of your thoughts on, I don't know, your journey and then certainly where you're at and some of the things you're talking about. Sure. Yeah. So, I mean, the reason I've got formerly known as the urban farmer is that I stopped urban farming technically in 2018 commercially. And I wrote my book about that. And, you know, that was how to make a good living farming in small plots using kind of biointensive techniques. And I did that for 10 years, really. Well, no, eight years. I ran that business for eight years.

It's kind of how I got my start in a content creator and all that. And so I technically stopped commercially farming in 2018, but I was still running that on my YouTube and all that. And most of my content was about market farming. But when the COVID thing happened, I completely switched directions. So I went off grid, bought a large acreage and started a, we're three years into, a fairly ambitious off-grid homestead development project right now. And I just felt it was necessary to stop saying I'm the urban farmer, really, because

I'm not doing it anymore. I stand behind all my work. I still use those techniques in my own homestead gardening. I still consult for farmers. I still do a lot of that. But honestly, I just, I can't even recommend that people start urban farms anymore. And that could be a whole other trail of conversations. I still encourage people to farm and grow food and grow food in the city.

But to, you know, I don't stand behind living in the city these days. Let me put it to you that way. So I don't really want to be. Why is that Curtis? For all the madness that happened over COVID. The economy, the political division that's happening. And I can't speak for all cities because I know there's some great cities out there. Where are you located?

Where were you in the city before? this. I was in Colonna, BC. And what I witnessed and my wife and I witnessed over the whole COVID thing was that this is just untenable. If you want to be living in fear, I was starting to see my neighbors get really paranoid like the neighbors on my street. It started to just feel like East Germany. It started to feel the fear looking out the blinds, are people wearing masks? It just became madness. And that's not happening anymore right now, though there are, I can go back to Corona every now and then and I still see people wearing masks in the summer. And so we just felt it was time to leave.

And I just felt as an, I was an urbanite. I lived in Montreal for eight years as well. And I always had a big thing with urban culture, urban liberty culture, music, music and all this. And I just seen the value of cities really deteriorate since the COVID thing. And even then, they still haven't. really bounced back. I mean, I talked to friends of mine in Montreal still and they go, it's just not the same anymore. Can't go out. People are so divided politically. The woke

narrative has just taken everything and made everybody fearful to speak their mind. And it's just, it's just no longer what it is. But what I'm seeing in the country, in the rural areas, is sort of a renaissance in a sense that there's just so many new people moving out to these small towns, communities, starting homesteads, starting farms. And so I really think that's where the action is as far as, you know, the places that I want to be. And so that's what I would say to that. I'm curious before, you know, I think you, if I heard it correct, you said you were the urban farmer for roughly eight years where you were doing that in Colonna. Before you ever got there, you've mentioned Montreal, like, what did you go? Did you go to school, Curtis? Was this,

it was this something that you, like, I'm kind of curious how you get into this. Before we get into like all the the inner workings of it i'm like how like who goes i'm going to do this urban farming thing and go yeah this is going to work and then and then make uh uh by all accounts and i mean certainly you can talk to it but it looked like it was like a smashing hit like this really works and it looked like all your videos i'm like this is intense but i mean like super cool right like uh yeah um yeah yeah no you know what it was sean uh you know what it was sean uh you know questions. And I could have gone, I could have gone further back in the story. But what it, what it really was, you know, when I was a musician in Montreal, I was, I kind of came from the

punk rock, Canadian punk rock scene. And I was into all of the sort of geopolitical issues. I hung out with a lot of, you know, pseudo intellectuals and, and spent a lot of time talking about political philosophy at the time. I was, I was genuinely interested in Marxism. I was, I was, it would have been a sort of a less. Why were you, why were you interested in Marxism? Because I came from a family. I grew up in a very socialist household. My mom was a campaign organizer, not a campaign organizer, but a, what do you call them?

She organized for the NDP party in Canada, the New Democratic Party. Their Canada's bona fide socialist party. And I grew up with this whole idea of life is a zero-sum game. If somebody's rich, it's because they took from somebody. You know, I had, I grew up with that. mindset. So I was led towards Marxist ideology, you know, Das Capital, Marxist Capital and these ideas that, you know, capital always concentrates above and it's always a zero-sum game. So I was drawn into that. And I lived in that world for a very long time until I started a business and

started to see the fruits of at least the idea of capitalism in that, you know, you go out, put out goodwill, do good work, and people will respond and pay you for it. And my, my, ideology changed over the course of me running my farm because I realized, you know, man, this capitalism stuff isn't all that bad. And I started to travel in the United States extensively. And I started to actually meet people that defied stereotypes that really kind of blew my mind. You know, I grew up in a very white. Colonna is very white. Still is. That's changing quickly. But it was very white. And, you know, I always, as a liberal, I always assumed that, you know, if you were, and this is just ridiculous and forgive me for.

for saying something so ridiculous. But I assumed that anybody who wasn't white would be a liberal. And that thought that, you know, programs like affirmative action and things like this were good things. And I don't mean to make all this political. I guess it's part of my story, right? So, but I started going to the U.S. because I had so much success with my farm early on. I mean, people wanted, all of a sudden it became an international thing. People were reaching out to me all.

I was like, what? I'm just farming in this town and backyards. I'm getting invites to go to all. over the United States and talk at universities and stuff. So I started meeting folks in the United States that weren't white that had totally conservative values, so to speak. Or one guy introduced me to Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams, if your audience is familiar with kind of two economics conservatives, legendary guys, that had things to say about the system

that would shock you if you were a liberal thinking that everybody who's not white, should be a liberal as well. And it kind of rattled me. It kind of changed my course in a way. And especially once the COVID thing happened, that was kind of the final nail in the coffin. But obviously a lot of time in between that. Yeah, maybe I'll leave it at there. I could go on a tangent forever. But I'm, you know, that's kind of, yeah. Well, you're going to, I mean, like literally the day after you're on. So tomorrow, Shane Getson comes in and he's in MLA

in Alberta and everything else so like when it comes to politics I've been having my own unique journey into it. I would say I was the flip side of you right? Like when you talk about being in the House of an NDP we were, I don't know if it was ever taught

but I guess it was always assumed you just vote conservative no matter what. Like I mean you just no matter what you're voting conservative and came from a farming background and business owners and and different, you know, different things, but I never really thought about it. And then when you start listening to politicians

and seeing their actions and everything else, let me tell you, that's an eye open in itself. The Marxist thing is always, I've interviewed people from Eastern Europe who grew up in communism. Oh, yeah. One of the things that always blows me away, I think it was Susanna,

who said, you know, like, up until I was like 20, I loved communism. I'm like, really? She's like, oh, yeah. It's only when I got to university and realized that I couldn't have my own thoughts. I couldn't ask certain questions that I went, uh-oh, there's a problem here. And, you know, like, I think of where we're at in Canada right now.

And certainly with a whole bunch of the things that happened since COVID, COVID put, like, it just showed it to everyone who was willing to pay attention. That, like, there's certain things you cannot say. There are certain things that they're not going to allow. And on and on it went. And, you know, like, whether you're a capital, what do they say, a capital L liberal, a little L liberal, right? Like you're looking at the liberal party right now.

I think most of us are going, I don't know what they are, but they're not liberal anymore. They're full on something. Well, yeah, but same for the conservatives. I mean, I started researching the law back in 2016.

I started really kind of going deep and just reading Canadian law. And, you know, one thing that kind of came one of many things that came out of that journey that's lasted, you know, still today, is that the conservative government in Canada are the ones that have brought in the most egregious globalist policies, neoliberal policies, first one being NAFTA under Brian Mulroney, right?

When that came out, I'm old enough to remember that being on the table. And it was a huge controversy. It was all over the news. And then the other one that the conservatives brought under Stephen Harper in 2014 was the Foreign Investment Protection Act, FEPA, as they were calling it at the time. And the Canadian media has done a really good job and the Canadian government have done a really good job of hiding that whole thing. But it happened. And if you, if you're able, what's that? I was just going to ask, what is FIFA?

FIFA is the Foreign Investment Protection Act. And so what it is. Yeah, thank you. Well, it's a lot of things. But really what it is at the deepest part of it is it gives China complete legal. indemnity in all kinds of different ways in Canada. So they have, they have special privileges when it comes to doing mining and energy development projects. They have hush orders on the media, literally in the statute. This is, this is cited. And they have the ability to station military,

if necessary, on Canadian soil. That's on the record. FEPA was a thing that was signed in 2014. What they've done up until then is they kept changing the name of it. And if you follow statutes and use the Queens printer and stuff, the government of Canada website, what you'll see is they update things and they'll change the names of things. And so it's not, it's not irregular how they've done that. But it is interesting and sneaky. But, you know, that's a big one. The foreign investment protection under Stephen Harper, because a lot of conservatives right now are going,

oh, wouldn't it be nice if we had a guy like Harper again. And maybe on if it's the fluff issues, sure, okay, yeah, the fluff issues, all the conservatives, they all sound great. But when it comes to the actual policy that nobody wants to read, and I've read, you would be flabbergasted of these policies. And you could go way back, too. So it's not about liberals or conservatives. It's just about the government serving its own interest and the people serving that interest, in my opinion, fundamentally. Well, you're funny. Well, this conversation is interesting because funny enough this morning, we were talking about, you know, like, I mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist,

to listen to Close Schwab and hear him say, you know, we've infiltrated all the, I can't do the accent, but you get the point. Yes, yes. And I go, okay, they're extremely smart. I don't care what anyone, they're not this dumb people. Like, they're extremely smart. So why are they, why are they pushing Trudeau out in a life raft all by himself and poking holes in it and allowing him to sink and Pierre Pauley of rising to the top? I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Sure. Fire away. And it's my opinion, take it for what it's worth. But politicians are irrelevant to the agenda. of call it the New World Order, the, the, the, the, the Asorcium of people that Klaus Schwab to the W.E.F., the UN,

the Bill and McGlindigates Foundation, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, yada, yada, yada, these same cronies that do everything through backdoor deals. They don't care about the liberals or the conservatives. They just compare about the agenda. And there's an old saying, I think it was Saul Alinsky, who wrote rules for radicals, that said, the issue is never the issue. So the issue is never the issue. The issue is revolution. So whatever you want to make the issue of the day of, whether it's climate change on the left or it's fighting against woke ideology on the right, it doesn't matter what the issue is. The issue is revolution. And the revolution that is that is at the precipice of happening is global governance. And what we're the what where we are now is we're in a complete controlled demolition of Western civilization as we know it. Every Western. country, everything in the Canadian, the Dominion, the British Empire, America, all of it is being deconstructed and brought to a crisis with a strategy called Cloward and Piven, which is to the only way, and if you read the ideology of Cloward and Piven, they talk about how the only way to get Marxism now is you can't do it through worker revolution because we've got AI and we've got

robots. So the way you get communist revolution now is bringing all sectors of the economy and the government to a complete crash so that we can offer a solution, which is they're going to crash all the politics. Justinda Ardenne out in New Zealand. Dan Andrews is in Australia out. Just Joe, he's going to be out. Pierre Pauliard. He's just the next guy in line to tow the thing. It doesn't matter if it's liberal or conservative. It's about revolution. So they're going to deconstruct and throw everybody under the bus. That's what this Israel thing is about. They're going to throw everybody under the bus and then say, okay, the only way forward now is we, we need global government and maybe that's they're going to make a case for AI you guys can't

manage yourself you're too stupid to manage yourself so we got to come in and manage you and people will be begging for it because they're going to they're going to make people so destitute like what we've got coming with real estate here in Canada could be the big step that really pushes this over the edge but that's what I would say is it it doesn't matter about the politics of the day it's about the revolution I'm going to make sure I get this name right so that not only I can go look it up, but for everyone that's trying to text me right now, and they probably are. And then they're going to listen to this and they're like, I shouldn't have texted a truck because that'll happen. Is, did you say, how do you spell it, cloward and pivot?

Cloward and P-L-O-W-A-R-D-D-D--------------------------. Or is it O-N. If you just Google it, you'll find it, Clowered and P-N. Clowered and P-N. Yeah, it came from a woman. named Francis Fox Piven. This is the rough, and I don't know how Cloward fit into it, but I used to listen to Francis Fox Piven do debates with

Thomas Sowell in the 1970s on you and you can find these clips on YouTube. She's a complete Marxist ideologue who has been sort of a mainstay in the back, in the background. She knows people like Hillary Clinton and all these institutional neoliberals and neocons. And the neocons are often

the biggest Marxists, by the way. But they came up with this strategy. because we can't get Marxism the way we could have got it 100 years ago. Because there is no workers' revolution because the trucker rally was a workers' revolution. But the leftist politics and media institutions were calling it, you know, a bunch of right-wing conspiracy theorists. But it was literally the biggest working class revolution. The Marxists should have been all over it, but they weren't because they've abandoned

the working class. The new working class or the new victim is the woke stuff, the alphabet. at people. Yeah, Dr. James Lindsay when he was in Canada, talked specifically to this. He is right on top of this, absolutely. And I'm not really saying anything new here.

Because I've just been, I've been fall, I go to the top stuff. I just read the government documents often to find these things. Sure, the rhetoric can motivate you, you listen to James Lindsay, it'll motivate you to look deeper. Listen to Alton Newman. You know, he's another one that brings

really good presents, really get information of what they're doing. Patrick Wood, another one, the technocracy news, they just show you what these guys are doing. And so you go right to their words. And even that close show, the close swab click you gave, for example, that, that quote is just a perfect example of how these guys operate out in the open. And I think maybe that's how they morally justify what they do. It's like, well, we're giving them notice. You know, we're telling them what we're doing. And so, I don't know, maybe that's how they get away with it to some degree. It's just I can't I can't quite figure it out because there's more and more people waking up every day, right?

If we're going to use one of the terms that's very prevalent these days and people are more and more starting to realize it and there's more and more people talking about it than ever before, right? Like I mean, I was saying this a couple days ago, you know, in the middle of COVID when I started interviewing doctors and professors and lawyers and all the insanity that was going on and some of the insanity that I, you know, like felt experience, talk to people and. everything else. Like at that point, there was, there was voices talking, but not near as much. And now you think like the, the wealth of information out there is insane, Curtis. It's actually the complete opposite of what was going on in COVID. Yes. Like, you can, it's an information by fire hose. Like, you can just drown in it now. Absolutely. Yes. And I'd once, I forget what guest it was. It talked about, well, that's, that's part of the plant or part of the, you know, to keep you on balance. So you can't ever

get just firm and this is what we're doing. Here it is. I believe that. I think the reason, and again, this is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth, but I think the reason for that is it could be two things. You could look at biblical prophecy and look at, you know, the idea of revelation and that a great revealing, you know, is coming out. But also if you look at it legally, these guys, they operate within the legal system, might not be lawful, right? Just like how it's, you know, the difference between what's right and then what's legal and what's wrong and what's legal. They're not always the same thing, right? And so that comes down to a lawful versus legal argument.

But these guys seem to do what's legal. And because they can bend the rules and know the rules more than everybody else, they can exercise a greater authority over that because they have more information. And so I think what it comes down to is, in order for them to pull off what they're going to do, what they want to do, you know, read Agenda 21, read Agenda 2030, read any number of the WHO documents that have come out over the last five, six, even 10 years, look at what the UN is published with treaties and just look at their stuff.

It's all there. But in order for them to pull off their global government, new global religion, global currency, digital ID, universal basic income for the masses, in order to pull off all that stuff, they have to give an incredible amount of full disclosure so that they are in the legal right as in, well, you were noticed. Just because you didn't read the fine print, you know, it's the same thing with software. You get some malicious software that does something that you didn't expect it to do because you like the ad and you watch a couple screenshots and you downloaded the app.

You didn't read the 100 page, 200 page terms of service, right, that you signed on. You didn't read it. And so in the law, it's the exact same thing. People just don't know what they're getting into. And so in a way, I look at that in two ways. It's sort of a dichotomy with it, is that one is, well, if you just start reading and paying attention, the remedy is quite simple. You just have to know what your options are. know what to agree to or not to agree to.

And then two, well, if people are dumb enough to go along with it, then maybe they deserve it. You know, maybe this digital gulag that they want to push people into. Maybe we've had it so good in North American Western culture for so long that, you know, maybe it's time people start stepping up. And I think that speaks to what you're talking about with an awakening. There's no question about it. There is an awakening.

But I think the awakening is the first part. The second part is taking responsibility and owning it. And if people don't start doing that, they're going to get washed away with the next thing that they roll out for us. Yeah, the taking responsibility. You know, that's an easy and a hard pill all at the same time to swallow, isn't it? It is because it means work. It means uncomfortable situations. It means doing things you don't want to do, right?

You know, these things happen to all of us. And maybe people who are listening to us right now on your show, this is resonating with them. And they're saying, you know what? Now is the time to do something. And it's better to do it now than do it when everybody else wants to do it. Well, the time to do it is always now. If you're thinking about it, now's the time to start, right?

It's never, you know, I forget who talks about, probably lots of motivational speakers start, you know, about people hitting their stride and some hit. hit it in 20, some hit it in 30. Some gonna wait until they're 65. And all of a sudden, they become a best-selling author or whatever it is you're doing. So like you want to hit your stride, literally just start today. And, you know, I don't know how many times I even need to hear that message of like,

you know what? Start. Because I never get tired of hearing it. Well, you just go like, you're talking about the coming real estate crisis, crash, bubble, explosion. I don't know how you want to purpose that. All of them. Well, maybe we could, maybe you could shed a light on some of your thoughts for people.

Because, you know, before I get there, I'll just finish this thought on my head of like, because it's funny. I read Soljinnits and. Yeah. And I remember this is. You actually might do the whole book. Oh, my God. It's tough. Okay.

Yes. And one of the things I thought before I read that book, there's no. No way government, any government, can play this like lawn game of like whatever. There's just nobody that's smart. No one, and in the first 50 pages, he talks about the big game of Solitaire. Some moves take a month, some take four years. But it just keeps playing and they just keep laying cards. And take what I do for a living.

November 28, CRTC has demanded that, you know, people making $10 million off podcasts or a bunch of different things have to register with them. That doesn't affect me. I hate to break it to people. You know, I say this lots. I'm not quite a 10 million yet, you know, but I'm working my way there. Yeah, yeah. Well, as long as the software you're using or program you're affiliated with isn't in compliance of that or in violation of that.

That's one way it could risk you. Well, so I really, once upon a time, it was anchor. Now it's Spotify for podcasters. Now it's on Spotify and Apple and all these things and you go, they're making over 10 million. But it's funny. Curtis the thing I was was like the thing that has shocked me is this immediately affects me like immediately and yet the slow delay of it they come out and then it just kind of like it's swept under the rug is that and here we are like you know 10 days

away maybe less and it's like and there it is and the public has kind of forgotten about podcasters have kind of odd isn't that big a deal and it just slowly comes in And then one day it's just there. And then, you know, there'll be a little outcry. So maybe they push it back another six months. And it just slowly keeps creeping until one day it's just done. Because they have all the time in the world. All the time in the world.

You don't, right? The government is an amorphous being. It's a collection of individuals over time that cycle in and out. But the agenda stays the same. Whereas you live your own life and might hopefully live to be over 100 and, you know, have a lot of children and grandchildren and all. all that, but at the end of the day, they can play the long grind game because they have the resources and the time. Yeah, the resources is just, man. And they can get the money, right? So we can't

compete with them in that regard. But hey, let's talk about this real estate thing because I think you're, you know, I forgot that you were in Canada. So actually, but this is, so, okay, here's a little factoid for you. I posted this on my Twitter. If people want to go see it at off gridstone, is that if you do a simple Google search of this and you look at what the two major components we're talking about here. Interest rates and home valuations, okay? And these things will intersect. So if you look at, if you Google, homeownership rate in Canada, you'll find that in 2019, so what they say is it's two-thirds of Canadians live in homeowners, homeowners. They live in the home that they own or mortgage, right?

All mortgage. Very few people actually own their home yet. In 2019, homeowner sales peaked at 68.9%. It peaked. So the most amount of sales under people buying a home to live in happened in 2019. At the same time, at the same time, valuations were at a peak, right? 2019 prices were insane across the country. Yeah, there's always little pockets here and anomalies in Beas.

in BC, it's been, it actually went up a tiny bit more, but it has been just kind of going sideways, and it has been for a while, but that's about the change. Canada has a five-year mortgage renewal, right? You know this. Every Canadian knows this. You sign up for a 30-year mortgage. It's not really a 30-year mortgage because it's renewed every five years. Unlike an American-Americans.

Or they sign up for 25 or 30. Yes. And when I walked around in 2022, sorry, Kurt. artist and signed a 10 year. Everybody stared at me like my eyes were crossed and I was going insane. You made a good decision. But I'm feeling that more and more, aren't I? Yes. And you will come 2024 because what's five plus 2019? 2024. So in 2024, it is a mathematical inevitability that that 68 or 68.9% of people that bought homes, most of them are not going to be able to afford the renewal. Even right now at today's interest rates, interest rates are not going down. They're,

they're trending up. If you look at a 40 year interest rate, the 40 year interest rate cycle in Canada, you're probably old enough to remember in the 80s. It was almost 20%. In some cases, it was. And then it took the skateboard ramp down to 20, 2019, 2020, 2020, 2021, interest rates hovered really low. They started to creep back up. But I renewed my mortgage in Colonna in 2019 at 1.9%, which was awesome. So I signed in for a new five year. But then I sold that house a year later. So I had to pay a little penalty on it.

Who cares? I glad I got out. Then I bought this property in cash and don't have a mortgage anymore. But so what's going to happen when those people go to renew their mortgage? Right now, I think what are we, 6.5%. That's triple what it was in 2019. And I said 2020, it was 2021 when we re-upped our mortgage. And it was 1.49 you could have got for five years.

I remember my- What province are you in? Alberta. And I remember- I remember thinking like, am I really not going to sign a 1.49 for five years? I'm like, yes, Sean, you're going to sign for a higher number because if you do the math and where this is leading, just take a breath. and yeah we got 2.89 now well that's okay but what happens you know you got 10 years on that though

right so 10 years so you know hopefully you can you know sort yourself out on your property before that happens but the average Canadian it's going to be a bloodbath and I'm already hearing so I just follow all the mainstream news I'm sure you pay attention to it a little bit but I follow the the municipal papers and channels as well. I follow the Vancouver papers and channels. I follow the Montreal, Toronto, what have. I really actually do a broad scanning of the news. That's what I like about Twitter.

And I'm seeing more articles already, this started a year ago. People are coming out and saying in a month, I'm not going to be able to afford my home and I'm 10 years in. I'm not going to be able to afford it. I'm just selling. Do you imagine paying into a home for 10 years? You've done some rentos and some upgrades. And then they say, oh, sorry, you're out.

the bank, if people don't know how mortgages really work, you need to know because it is a scam in and of itself, an unbelievable scam of unimaginable proportions that the bank can print money out of nothing. Commercial banks can create money out of nothing on your deposit. And now after COVID, they can just make it out of nothing, period. They don't even need your signature on the thing. And so they're going to charge you more interest for what? They created something out of nothing and the lowest interest rate is more than enough because they made the money from nothing. So to say, oh, now you're 6%. It's so criminal that if people don't really start thinking about their options

before it starts to cascade, you do not want to get caught up. And I'm not, I don't bring this to you and your audience because I want people to be in fear. I just want people to be ready. I want people to have the information that might help them. Don't be afraid. Take it with stride and take steps. But, you know, there's going to be, it's going to set off. And I think eventually, they'll probably be a solution from the government.

If it gets really nasty and literally all those 68.6, it was 68.6% of people that are going to go bust, the government probably will have a solution. And it might be, this might be the Canadian trial balloon of universal basic income or some kind of other thing they're going to lock you into. Oh, you can stay in your home. You'll rent it from us. And we'll give you, you know, $2,000 a month in social credits. And if you're a good little boy or girl and you say that you like the government and you and you tow the line, you'll get that money and you can pay your rent.

But if you talk shit, no, you won't. And so I think that's, I mean, we've heard the World Economic Forum and the UN talk about these things. So why would we assume that it wouldn't happen here? Well, it's just the long game on it, right? Like one of the things I hope to do better, you know, and I'm glad you pointed out, It isn't to talk about it to create fear because there's going to be a ton of people listening to this that are stuck in a mortgage and they're watching it and they're going, holy crap, you're not wrong. Or they've already clued into it and they realize whether it's 2024, 2025, 2026, wherever they locked in.

You know, in theory, if you locked in in 2021 when the mortgage rates were ridiculously low, even into early 2022, you can realize that while you got until 2027, roughly, right? Because in 2023, they've really skyrocketed. No, that's right. You could see where Curtis is talking about, 2024 is the kickoff. The kickoff. And it's going to go for three years. Because like you said, 2019 to 2021 was a gravy train. It was all overall pretty low. And anybody who bought in that period, when it comes to their five-year renewal, is most likely not going to be able to afford the mortgage payment. Or they're just going to have to drastically alter life or sell, right there's there's options on all this right there is there's always options and to to bring it up

i'm glad you said it's not to point like create mass amounts fear because we all went through that in 2020 to 2020 yeah and they're done that right yeah been there done that so it's to talk about it and to get people thinking about it i think is is why uh you're bringing it up because it's like well there's still time there's still time to think out your problem and and and uh and i don't know adjust and one of the things that expectations right like Just okay, if I can afford this and worst case scenario, then we can, we're good. We can, we can manage it. But if you can't, then start making plans.

Well, and the thing is, I'm hoping to do better as we move closer to 2024 and certainly into 2024, is try and provide people that are creating some solutions out there or some ideas because lots of this is lots of these things you can, like, what have we been talking about pretty much for the last 20 minutes? is you can literally see where they're trying to lead us. Does that mean exactly where we're going? No. No, I mean, look at the trucker combo.

I don't care who, that was such a grass movement, grassroots movement. Nobody could have predicted that that was going to come. I can't see how that's even possible. And then what happened? You know, a whole bunch of offshoots happened out of that, right? And on and on and on. But you can see where they're trying to lead us. The CBDC at this point is like, folks, they've been talking.

talking about this now for how many years. Universal Basic income. The first time I heard about that was Joe Rogan 2018. And I remember thinking, that's a wild idea. Why would they ever do that? Ah, that only ever hit the West Coast. Now you can see that Canada's really flirting with it. So that has taken time. And I bet you anything, Pauliev will be the one to bring it in. You think so. If he gets elected, he'll bring it in. He's, you know, I don't put any stock in any politicians. I would agree with that. Not because, I don't think they're okay people. I think a lot of politicians probably have the best of intentions. But just look at Canadian politics and politics of any country, for that matter. In your life, I'm 44 years old. I've been paying attention to politics since I was 16. I started voting when I was 18. And I voted for a lot of elections up until the point where I started realizing it was futile.

But when in that lineage of time, have things ever gotten better overall for the average person? Like, that's the question you need to fundamentally understand if you want to think about, does government serve you or not? It doesn't matter the election. If you really dig into the policies and just the quality of living, the inflation, all of these things, has life really improved for the average individual? I can't say that it has. I don't see any evidence that shows that it has. Well, that's an interesting question because I would say that Saskatchewan folks would say, as soon as the NDP got voted out

and the SaaS party first came in, I would say they would argue that life improved. I would like... It goes like this, Sean, where it's like little blips, but we're on a downward trajectory in the grand scheme of things

because look where we are now. What did you think Curtis of Donald Trump coming in when he won in the States? Well, to be honest, I was... I got caught up in the excitement of the rhetoric because Trump's rhetoric, if your overall conservative or overall libertarian was entertaining and amusing. And it was almost nice to see, you know, it was nice to see them pull out of the Paris Climate Accord, stuff like that.

But overall, what really changed? Because even if you look at the money Trump spent, he spent more in his one term than Obama spent in two terms. Obama. Like to that point, the most liberal politician that the U.S. had ever, seen. So when you look at the brass tax, I don't see it. I mean, and maybe Trump is some hero, you know, try and maybe all this, this dog and pony show we see in the media with all these trials. Maybe all that's real. To me, it doesn't really matter if it is or not. What does matter is that there's rules for the system when you're running for politics and then there's the reality

when you get in because the deep state is the real deal. In the U.S., it's the real deal. When George H.W. Bush brought in and took over the CIA, that was a massive shift in American geopolitics and even American domestic politics. And it's similar in Canada, though different, different flavor, but it's different. The Privy Council and the Governor Generals, they're the ones that really run the country. You know, the politicians, you know, remember how Stephen Harper pro-rogged parliament. If the liberal government did that, people would lose their minds right now. But you're going to have to forgive me.

You know, it's funny, I never clued into politics until 2015. I was more worried about hockey and my career and everything else. So when you talk about him, well, just explain the story to me. I was just fascinated when we bring up conservative politicians in particular because Everybody likes to write off that the conservatives are such a great party. And yet, the more you dig into it, the more you see exactly what you're saying. And I actually have had lots of people come on. And it's like, it doesn't matter if it's, you know, in the United States, blue or red.

You know, it's just it's the same bloody thing. And we're going down. It's exactly what you're saying, I guess. Well, you know what might be helpful is because I've been a farmer for so long and I guess just a working guy, I like to just boil things down to first principles to understand them on a sort of a macro level, a little simpler. And I think what's important, at least to get people understand kind of where I'm coming from, is that there's three kind of things in, call it government politics and all that is that there's politics, which is the rhetoric, the campaigning, the media coverage of political issues, the politicians themselves. Right. Then there's government, which is the actual administrative apparatus of the state in its form, all its forms, whether it's the Bank of Canada or certain bureaucracies or local bureaucracies, provincial biocracies, what have you. And then there's the law, which is the written word of the way that the government has to maneuver, right?

those are all three different things. And so when you're talking about politics, all you're really talking about is the rhetoric of politicians and the spin on perhaps the law or the government. You're not actually talking about the government. If you want to talk about the government, you actually have to talk about the things that they do, the bureaucracies that are established for them. And then the way they do things that's based on the law. And so most people just talk politics. And that's just, that's the sports game, right? Like that's watching NFL football.

It's another thing to talk about the actual law. And the thing that's so fascinating to me is how few people actually pay any attention to it. Because once you start to pay attention to it, what you'll actually find, if you've had an experience similar to mine, is that there's actually mountains of remedy in the law if you just read it. There's ways around it. You know, for example, when the mask mandate got passed in BC, the official mandate that came with a statute, you know, that goes through the legal processes that they use, the remedy was on

the first page, Article 4. If you have a medical, if you have a medical reason to not wear a mask, you don't have to wear a mask. They didn't say you need a doctor's note. They didn't say you need to have some approved illness or anything like this. It just said if you have a medical reason. And my medical reason was I need to breathe. And so the remedy was right there. And so the government can go and find you and do all that. And all you got to do is send that ticket back to them and say, hey, I'll see you in court. Go to court, represent yourself, stand pro se, as they call it, and defend your position.

In all honesty, there's no tricks. There's no, there's no games. It's just stand there in your power and say, Article 4 gave me remedy. You never said that there was a medical specific reason. You said medical reason. and that's open to interpretation. So just in that example alone is every law is the same. There's remedies and back doors because that's what the cronies do, right?

The special privileges and the elite tax accountants and, you know, crony senators that have been there forever. They know all the remedies because they're all put there for them. But we can use those things too. You just got to read the law. You got to do the work. And it's not easy. But, you know, and then again, for me, that's a message of hope.

because what I'm saying is that you don't like what's going on. You don't like what's going to could transpire with the W.E.F, the UN and all this stuff. Good. That's a start. But then the next thing is read why, read how and understand these things. It's not that intimidating to read law. You just have to start. But there's remedies there for all of us.

And so I don't live in any type of fear with whatever the government's going to do because I know that every statute has a remedy. and it's not that hard to find. Sometimes it's a definition where they have a weird definition. Like in the Agricultural Land Commission Act, the definition of person includes a First Nations government. It's like, what? That's a person? Well, then who am I?

And things like that, where you just go, this is crazy. And that's how it is. Like we talked about at the beginning of this podcast, Sean. There's this, we're in this period of time of notice, where they're just giving us notice and they're gaslighting us. and waving in their face, they're deconstructing political careers, all this. They've done the same thing in the law forever. They always give you a notice.

It's just nobody read the terms. And we just tacitly agree to these things. And you don't have to. And so I have no fear of what's coming in that regard. I'm more concerned about the starving masses of people that when the economic, proverbial SHTF hits the fan, that, uh, people are going to be desperate and that's going to make them do things that aren't good. Like, you know, like Corb Lund says, you ever seen a man whose kids haven't eaten for 17 days

and counting, you know, I don't want to see that guy. And so that's where I'm at. That's why I'm off grid. That's why I'm in the boonies. That's why we grow our own food and are working towards the most self-sufficient position we can be in. Yeah, it's, I had Brett Oland on here. And folks who recall, he's the CEO of Bow Valley Credit Union. and he talked about being in a hurricane,

and I forget, I want to say Cayman Islands, but forgive me, folks, I can't seem to recall the island, but regardless you get it, it's somewhere over in that vicinity. And it was a bad hurricane where they, you know, he sat in a building with water up to his, you know, his neck, and they sat there and just waited the storm out. You couldn't go outside because you're pretty much dead, and, you know, you just kind of sat there and waited it out.

And when it was done, he said there was three types of people. There was the calm one who had, you know, probably a little bit of food. Understood that, you know, there's no emergency services. So just tried to help his neighbor a bit and just kind of waiting it out and, you know, trying to put together life as best he can. There was the person who went and stole and, you know, went through buildings and grabbed all the stuff they could find. And then there was a drunk.

And the drunk would just drink. This is fucked. This is fucked. I'm just going to sit and have drinks. And he said the most dangerous person was drunk, because when they ran out of money to pay the burglar for alcohol, and when it ran out, they were desperate. And desperation is what is dangerous.

Yes. You think about that story, and what you're talking about with Corbund is like, people listen to this, chances are, you're already doing things in your life. You probably just are. You're probably, you're probably a, aware of a lot. And now whether you're enacting that in your life, those are two different

things for sure. But you understand the things are a little bit confusing and you're trying to do things. And now whether you've got 10 years of food supply and 8,000 bullets and you're living off grid and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's stages to that. There's literally stages to that. But there's people out there that have no idea any of this is happening. None. They're asleep at the wheel. There's whatever it is. And one day they're going to be absolutely flipped over and I don't know I don't I can't see into those days I don't I don't fully understand that Curtis I don't want to well fair enough you know that's why I'm up I don't I don't I don't

want to see it either but you just look at what's coming in the years to come and you go lots of people are going to hurt we're going to hurt like I mean I'm personally not none of us will be unaffected I'll be correct yeah I'm already being affected by little things here and there too the economy's not doing great people are struggling right now. Things are so expensive. I'd like to see, you know, in your, in reference to your quote there from your, from your last interview, I'd like to see how that distribution was laid out. Like what percentage of drugs, what percentage? You know, I'd be interested to know. I would say, though, that there would be one more in there that I would guess when after a longer period of time,

it's that one that that I said about core blunt is that the father whose kids are starving. That's Well, but the only, I would agree with you, the thing about it being an island is they knew and being a little, not a little storm, but a storm, they knew emergency services were eventually going to come. Right.

And the thing is, is if you have a cataclysmic country failing, this is why you need community. Absolutely. Like, do you think China's all of a sudden going to come, and do you want that? Do you want that, or whoever, it doesn't matter? And right now we're talking about North America.

We're not talking about just Canadians. We're talking about a giant event happening to almost the known world, right? And you go- Western world at least. If you're already in a poor country and the lights go out, yeah, that happens all the time. Big deal. So the poor will actually be fine.

It'll be the Westerners in that sort of call it global, I don't know, 10% or less that take the biggest hit. And so, yeah, it's, I don't know, man. I've been looking at this for a long time. And it is. It's troubling. But you know, I'll tell you what, there's a number of good things about living in Canada when that happens.

One is that by and large, Canada geographically is rural, right? It's the vast majority of it is rural. And a lot of people live in those areas, albeit at this point, I think the majority of the populations of Canada are concentrated in the big cities, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal. They say that they say that 80, point some percent live in cities now.

Cities isn't, that isn't all in Toronto, Montreal. Obviously, that's like, you know, here in Alberta, Lloyd Minster be considered a city and on and on.

Grand Prairie, you know, of course. Yeah. Absolutely. And so that's good there because then that, that actually kind of changes the numbers of it, because then the,

the better question is to ask, um, and I want to paint a picture of, you know, hope for people, and particularly in Canada, is that when you look at those, those statistics,

and you compare, say, an individual in Grand Prairie, Alberta to the average individual in Toronto, guaranteed the average individual in Grand Prairie is more self-reliant than the average individual in Toronto. Guaranteed. And I think you can see why. Just by living in Grand Prairie, you've got to be a little more self-reliant. Oh, for sure. But also just the bigger the city, the more of the infrastructure. And then the bigger the city, the more people are dependent on said infrastructure.

So you could go down to the details. And I think you'd probably find that Canada isn't as urban as you think. if you were to look at it that way. And then so all these things are shades of gray. You know, it's a scale. It's zero to 100, not one to zero. And so you think about in Canada, there's a lot of farmers, right? Alberta in particular is a fair, and probably most of the prairie provinces,

if you were to separate their major cities like Calgary, Winnipeg, Saskatoon or whatever, Regina, that everybody else is fairly resilient because you're already kind of living in the country. excuse me. So that's a really good thing. And so if if the lights were to go out tomorrow, there's a lot of people that would actually muddle through for quite a while. And then what's even better is the Canadian winter. Because the biggest liability to anybody who's a prepper who's, say, preparing for this outcome like myself, your biggest liability, hands down, in my opinion, your number one liability besides an act of God or a weather event that you could never imagine coming is people, is starving masses pouring out of the cities once the

truck stop coming in because that's all the city is. Cities are so unre resilient. They completely depend on trucks coming in every day. And Canada only has three days of food, just like every other Western country. So if the truck stop coming in three days later, people are starving and people are starting to get desperate. And so what do they do? They go out on the major, they all get in their vehicles and they try to leave at the same time. That means nobody gets out. Because at the end of the day, All you got is a tank of gas, which is only really maybe four, five, six hours of driving. How far can you get? How far can you get if it's gridlock?

How far will you get if it's winter? And so the liability risk of starving masses in a cold country like Canada is a lot better for people who are prepared than it is in, say, Alabama. You live in Alabama or Georgia or Florida and the starving masses exit the city. You can survive for a long time roaming around the bogs and the forests and places like that. That's why zombie apocalypse movies are always in warm states is because in Canada, there's not the same story because people won't get that far. And so that's sad and tragic.

But at the same time, for people who are prepared, it's actually quite comforting. It's actually exactly why I decided to stay in Canada in a cold country. I could have moved to Nicaragua. I could have moved to Ecuador. I make a living online. I could have done that 10 years ago. But I chose to stay here. And that's the primary reason.

And so I think Canadians will actually do okay if you're, somewhat resilient because Canadians are also tough. To live in Grand Parry, Alberta, as you said, is tough. It's a tough climate, right? And Canadians are fairly resilient, especially people who are just not urban, even suburban Canadians to the rural Canadian, are a lot more resilient than the urban ones. So yeah, downtown Toronto, greater Toronto area, GTA, same Vancouver, Calgary, forget about it. In a collapse, you do not want to be in that area. You want to be long gone. But people in the country, especially if you're not on the major highway, if you're not visible, you know, like I teach people how to find properties. And that's what we always say is, you know,

get off, don't be anywhere near a major highway. Don't be on any major exit out of a big city. Don't even be in the peri urban or farm country areas, be in the rural, be in the sticks, because then you're tucked away. You're not visible. And, yeah, that's, so I think, overall, if Canadians can see this coming, there's time to prepare. And I think overall we'll do better than a lot of other places. We don't have a, we don't have 10,000 desperate migrants coming across the border like to do with Texas right now. You know, we don't have that here. Well, our immigration is all through airplanes that come into the major cities.

Well, and I mean, if it like the thing about Canada is, you know, if you had 10,000 walking across, we're walking into December, January, February, where none of us want to be here. None of us here in the Western provinces want to be here. We're like, oh, man, could I just go south right now? Because it is brutal. It's going to be brutal, you know. And I hesitate on the podcast even talking about it. I remember, you know, it's like September. I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't want to say winters around the corner because maybe it's not.

I don't want to put that in our mentality. But certainly sitting here in the middle to late stages of November, where I sit, you know, with no snow on the ground. I'm like, we're very fortunate right now. Yes, it's been nice. It normally by now you've got a foot of snow. You know, it's dark now. Like, it's just so dark. I just, it's one of the things I love as a parent of three young kids, right?

They go to sleep. But as a, also as a human being, I just hate. It's just always in the dark, always. You know, if you're, if you're, if you're, let's talk about this couple things. If you're easing your toe into prepping, okay, you're like, okay, things are going to get worse over the course of the next year. two, let's just, let's use Martin Armstrong's number, 2032 folks. And I mean, agenda 2030 is around the corner. So anyway, you look at it between seven to nine years, okay?

So you're going to ease your toe in there. What does Curtis say this is probably where you want to begin? Great question. So again, I always like first principles to start a foundation so that you can understand your context. Because everybody's context is different. everybody's needs and demands and your obligations in your life are going to be slightly different. So start with the foundation. Food, water, energy, and shelter.

These are the four things, the four nexus of human survival that you need unequivocally to survive. There's other things that are great and are important too, but those four unequivocal if you need. So what you want to start doing is thinking about a plan to how do you have, you might already have a house. Great. So you got shelter right now. So that's covered. but we can go into that further if the lights go out of course but food uh water and energy those three things how do you get those things right now well food you go to the grocery store energy you turn

on the lights when you get home and water the toilet flushes every day so it seems to be working um what happens if any of those things are turned off and then think about what's a what's a short-term solution a medium term solution and a long-term solution so let's talk about water okay you turn the water on because it's part of the city utility and it works. What happens if it doesn't? Or what happens if they start aggressively poisoning your water more than they already are? Well, one, you should first look at major water filtration, never drink tap water. But then two, always have a reserve of water. There's, you know, in an apartment, you're somewhat limited. But hey, you know what? If you just had a couple of those, those big water things in the closet,

just call it 200 liters of water there just in case, maybe cycle them every now and and refill them or whatever. Just that's a start for water resilience. And so you go from resilience to sovereignty or you go from security to sovereignty in any one of these things. So that's a step for water. And then another is, well, then you start to,

maybe you can collect rainwater. Maybe your property, you need a well. You know, when we showcase properties every week, this program called Homestead Accelerator, and we always look for two water sources. So you've got to have either a well, and or a pond, city water, and well, any combination of any type of water stores, you want to have, too. So that's what sovereignty would look like with water.

But so anywhere in between. So say food, for example, same thing. Where do you get your food right now? Well, if it's all from the grocery store, you want to start thinking about food security first and then perhaps move to food sovereignty. Food security is to have a buffer of food that if you can't go to the grocery store and say wait out that period of time like you talked about, maybe it's seven days. start with that. Make sure you got seven days of food and water so that if the water is turned off

and you can't leave your house and you might just want to wait out until the dust settles when things get really hairy and just see that you can live off that food. Start with seven days, then go to 30 days, then go to a year. And it's actually not that hard to store a year of food, believe it or not. If you look at dried foods and things like that, all kinds of companies make this stuff. And it's a good place to start. And that's just to start. And then maybe during then you're doing some gardening. You're getting your, you're getting your proverbial thumb green. You know, you're getting in there. You're trying new stuff. Integrating new systems as you go. In energy, same thing. There's energy security, and then there's energy sovereignty. So energy security could be, well, I'm on the grid, but I got it,

I got a small gas power generator with maybe 20 to 50 liters of premium boat gas, because boat gas can store longer than just normal ethanol fuel from the gas station. And so you can put it away. And There's something right there that the lights go out tomorrow. You've got, you can fire that generator up. You've got some power. You've got to wait to distribute that power in the house a little bit. And then even with the heat of your home, this ties into the shelter piece, is that what happens if the gas is turned off?

What are you going to do? Do you have a wood stove in the home? Do you have a backup way to heat the home? So you can start with the security of it and the move to the sovereignty of it. You know, the sovereignty of it as far as energy is concerned for us. We're totally off grid, solar powered. I'm collecting probably 15 kilowatts right now. It's insane with the sun, beautiful fall we're having.

And we're also heat independent is that I live on a large acreage with tons of standing timber, 30 acres of standing timber, dead fall, you name it. I can log my forest for my life and get all the firewood I need every year. So that's sovereignty, right? And I can replant more trees as I go. So you go from security to sovereignty. And so I would say think about it in that way. I mean, we could spend a lot more time on that in the details. But if you think about that foundationally, going from security to sovereignty, your contact.

and the resources you have to deploy will dictate what you do. Man, I am, as I'm sitting here and I hate watching the time, but I'm watching it because I'm like, okay, we talked about this, well, the audience wouldn't have heard this, but we talked about time frame and everything else. So all I can think of is I'm like, Curtis is coming back on this show. I feel it, man. You've been great to talk to anytime. Well, I just, I've really, really enjoyed.

the conversation. Now for listeners, there is going to be a substack portion, so I'm going to ask Curtis to stick around and that way we can talk I'm going, there's got to be something that Curtis is like positive on or very hopeful

on or something he thinks that everybody should know. I'm going to bug him about that on substack. So if you want to listen to that, head over to substack. Either way, Curtis, thanks for hopping on this side and being on the podcast. And I look forward to honestly the next time you're on, you've got my brain like going, I should, I got to write about this and I got to talk about it.

And so I can see how this conversation is going to continue in the months to come. But either way, thanks for helping on this portion, Curtis. My pleasure, Sean. All right, folks. That was Curtis Stone. Man, that was something, wasn't it? Like that, that was something. A lot in there.

And I think some things to be hopeful of. And if you haven't started thinking about it, it was Chuck Prodnick, who, first started talking about, you know, like you should, you should start thinking about where you're going to go to and just start thinking about that idea. And it doesn't have to be like this extreme like freak out session of, you know, like, holy crap, all this is coming tomorrow. But to just have the, you know, to have thought through and started to have that conversation with yourself or maybe your loved ones. That's really important. And here's here's Curtis Stone again, giving you some things to think of and, of course, me to think on. Now, this episode's been brought

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We're going to talk a couple things on the podcast. positive side, you know, of things to be hopeful for and maybe a couple things you can add into your life immediately that don't break the budget. And, well, we'll see what Curtis has to say. Either way, thanks for tuning in today, guys, and we'll catch up to you on the next one.