Shaun Newman Podcast - #539 - Grant Abraham 2.0

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

Lawyer who has spent 20 years in international business. He is the author of "The Battle For The Soul of Canada" where he is raising the alarm for the conservative right in Canada. He is also starting the United Party of Canada.

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He's the author of The Battle for the Soul of Canada, where he is raising the alarm for the conservative right in Canada. I'm talking about Grant Abraham. So buckle up, here we go. Well, thanks for coming in the studio. Yep. You know, it was only a couple weeks ago we did, and for listeners, Grant was just on,

and you just got to scroll back a couple of things. and you were there and I just said at the end, you know, if you're ever rolling through Lloyd, I'd glad you have you in studio because that's what we tried doing the first time around. It just can get schedules to line up and it's funny. Now two weeks later here you are. So thanks for, uh, thanks for making the drive and stopping in or thanks for stopping while you're making the drive, I guess. We had a good conversation. I thought we'd continue.

Yeah. Well, it's funny. Listeners got treated to Tammy Peterson and she's going to come back on in a couple weeks, which I don't normally do this. normally I have a conversation and then I leave it alone even for a year you know like but now that I do so many it's like it's easier to have a recurring guest I like to have different people coming on all the time but I enjoyed her conversation as well I actually listened to it all and I'm like this was a pretty good conversation you know you're asking it how I did and I got a lot of good feedback from that week as an entirety of the string of guests that all came in and then the different things we were talking about so well I think probably that interview we were both playing it safe hey getting to know each other bit. Well, that's always the first time. First time you're like, who is this guy? I don't know you from a hole in the ground. Yeah, you've written a book. Lots of people

written a book. But like, who are you? And right now, there's a ton of people there's a ton of people that believe they have all the answers. And a lot of them want to be politician. Or are politician. Both.

Not to say that, and so like to have you come on and not know much about you, it is a feeling of a process. Who is this guy? Absolutely. What makes him tick? And then let the audience feel that too. That's what the first one's all about.

So I'm appreciative of you came back in because, yeah, I don't know where the second one goes. Mm-hmm. Good. Yeah. You wanted to talk about God and where it aligns in politics. Well, I don't know if it's exactly about God. I think it's a discussion for, like the discussion going on right now in Canada is that people are feeling pinched financially. We want change.

Yeah. We know there's something desperately wrong with our nation. We know there are some very dark clouds that are possibly looming. They're kind of creeping in and out of people's imaginations in terms of these issues like foreign interference or what the World Health Organization really will do if there's another pandemic proclaimed. And these kinds of issues are there, but then everyone has to buy groceries every day and go to work and keep life going.

And so when you watch the news, everyone will see or you will see discussions about the cost of housing, the cost of groceries, inflation. And there's this tension in our country in terms of this kind of surface level pressure in terms of finances, but what is the deeper issue

that is driving these things? And so the question that I find myself asking is this. does money follow values or do values follow money? And I think that's a conversation that Canadians need to have because if anything, COVID taught us and the convoy taught us that there was something wrong. And for a while we celebrated the return to a feeling of it being corrected as that convoy rolled.

And forgive me if I'm repeating, myself here but I always think of this dad giving cookies out to his kids while people were hanging over the overpasses across the number one across Canada saying kids this is what this is what my childhood was like this is the country I grew up in and he's crying you know filming himself on telegram giving his kids cookies and I think the nation celebrated that because we had this deep sense of a return to what was because we knew that something was broken And I think the biggest challenge we have right now in the nation is to recognize that those issues that brought the convoy to a head that brought us to those realizations are still very much there.

And those conversations that were being had by Justin Trudeau like Canada is going to be the first post-nation state or Canada is going to be reset. And likewise, and on the counter side of this discussion, is a question. what the conservatives weren't talking about, which is exactly what I've just stated. When did you hear any conservative politicians talking about, oh, Mr. Trudeau, what does a reset mean? What does post-Nation state mean? The conservative party couldn't even really get themselves sorted in terms of what they thought about the convoy. So this was indicative of a time. It was reflective of a time, and we all had this deep angst that something was wrong in the country. And so right now, we're kind of in this veneer of normalcy, yet these issues are still very much out there.

So we can be tricked into believing that the discussions and the problems in the country right now are just about getting a bit more money when they're actually much deeper. Like we have pornography in our libraries and elementary schools. We have a normalization of pedophilia in our nation. and I don't know of anybody anywhere that it would approve of that and in fact would probably be quite assertive if that if they understood that that was happening to their child or their grandchild very assertive perhaps so this is what's going on in the nation and if we simply watch the cbc we just think that it's Christmas there's pets that have homeless problems and and we see Mr. Poliev talking about we need to have more housing houses built. So is that, are those really our problems or are they much deeper than that? And that's, I think that's the question for Canadians now. And I think whenever you get into discussions about values and the values that frame a nation, you inevitably end up in a discussion about value frameworks that link back to our understanding of who we are as an individual, as a people,

why we're here, where were we created, did we just kind of, you know, 10 million years ago have cellular structure explode and all of a sudden we're here. And this is the deeper question. And so for me, this discussion lives in this space, this petri dish. And when you look at our root systems as a nation in Canada,

you see all these markers that have been laid down by the Canadians that have gone before. And those are things like, our national motto from sea to sea. He shall have dominion from sea to sea. Psalm 72.8. You see our parliament buildings with etchings and markings of scripture, biblical scripture, that defines the root system of the nation.

You see our Charter of Rights and Freedoms that says this nation was founded upon the supremacy of God and the rule of law. And what we've seen happening is the supremacy of God has been forgotten and we've seen the rule of law come out. And that is at its very core, I believe what we're reacting to in the nation is the rule of law without a higher order to temper the government of men becoming tyrannical. I'm going to tell you a little short story. Because you're talking about values and, you know, like what is the what is the, what is the, issue, right? Because everybody's been like, there's been an issue now. For some people, it's been 20 years. For most, and I would say most of the people who are just like, what is going on? It's been since COVID. Some stage of COVID doesn't matter the stage. They're like, what is going on? It was

so evident. And then for others, it was a trucker convoy, because if they went and they saw it was going on and saw it how it was being reported, they're like, what is going on? So we've had these things happen real fast in short order. You know, I, I, you know, I, you know, I, used to think a year was a long time now. I look at years, you know, like almost like a page in a book, right? Or if nothing else, a chapter in a book. Like, it's just like, it's actually quite quick. Saskatchewan has the Sask United Party, right?

They're pushing on the SAS party to, you know, for a whole bunch of what you just said on a provincial level. And the first meeting I ever went to out in Saskatoon, Pastor Perry, who's no longer with us. So he'd had in his church these meetings come in, and they were political. They were just like, what the heck's going on? And I sat in one where they were going to start a new political party.

And one guy got up, man, I wish I could remember his name. He's like, it's got to be based on this. And he had the Bible. And I remember thinking, this is, you know, I can't remember. Is this probably mid-middle summer of 2021? And I remember thinking, what the heck is this guy? talking about I do not want to be here I don't want to be here is this Bible like what is this is a Bible study what is this oh like whatever and less than a year later I

would say I went I totally get what he was meaning now that you got to you know like there's there are things in that book that is like everything you just said but we've forgotten at all and that thing has and I'm pointing at the Bible sorry folks that thing has become you know I talk about it all all the time and my life, it went from being like this, like, taboo book. Like, that's how far we've come in society. Uh, I don't know.

I don't know. To where now, you know, if you follow it down far enough to where we are today, it's like, it's a very important book. And there's a reason why it's all over the place and somehow we've just, we've lost our way. And lost our way is more like we've been guided down this path with media. and everything else, political structures, corporate systems, blah, blah, blah, it's all been removed.

And as it slowly gets removed, you know, you just slowly forget about it. I mean, I'm only 37, and I'm just like, I don't know. Like, I didn't know any of it. Well, I'm starting to know more, I should say. But so when you talk about the general population, though, there's a whole bunch of us that have been on a ride,

but there's a whole bunch that blinders on, think world's back to normal, and are going, no, we don't need to go back to that. And I don't know the answer on how you get people to understand that there is at the core while it's rotten. Like we've fallen so far away. That's an interesting question because, like, lots of people right now, they're feeling the financial pinch. So they want to have financially?

Certainly. But if we don't address all the problems that are going on, as you've pointed out, like this only gets worse. Because it's tearing apart the fabric of our society. It's attacking the family unit. It's attacking the structures that helped create Western civilization. And I can't go back to the day that that happened. But I can certainly remember not that long ago where we didn't have to worry about a whole bunch of this,

but there's probably a generation before me that saw it coming and we're like, nope, this is coming. And we're just starting to see it take over the roost, so to speak. Yeah, so it's not about religion. I'm not talking about a religious government. I'm talking about a value framework that was established and articulated in that Bible that guy was holding up. And I simply refer to it as a Judeo-Christian civic moral order. It's the framework that has been set up by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

And it is the framework that has allowed the United States, Canada, Australia, the UK, New Zealand to thrive as nations. And so I never get, I never let this conversation get wrapped up in a sense of this is, you know, this is religion, excuse me, creeping into our nation. This is a value framework that emanates from a God who puts a moral order in place for us to function in, but gives us the absolute freedom to choose it or not. And I think that really is such an important thing is that people see this discussion. And they say, well, that's religion. So that's going to be, you know.

Well, it reminds me of vote splitting in a really easy, like everyone hears, oh, I can't vote split. But if you look at the, if you actually talk that through, vote splitting, you know, you're just like, like, but that's what the public has come. And so to believe. And I would say when it comes to anything to do with the Bible, all they hear is religion. religion. Yeah. And they go, I don't want that. Yeah. So, I mean, if you want to look at it this way, the Bible would articulate that we should protect the innocence, right? The innocence of our children. And we shouldn't allow pedophilia. So those are, you don't need to put it in Bible terms. Excuse me, to have that conversation, you simply need to extract the value from it, and that's the

value framework. Or you could just put it in Bible terms. Yeah, I mean, if that's going to get people's backs up, the point is to have a value framework that says everything but but here's the thing grant everything gets people's backs up right now every we've been we've been we've been we've been we've been having this little narrative conversation for i don't know how much your life has this been going on well this has been a live issue for me for the last 20 years so for 20 years people being conditioned they don't no it's it's fine you know even though they know it something is off they and so you go like well if we just take the, it's like, well, just, just, but it's, it's right there. You don't have to love the Bible,

but I mean, in it is such wisdom. It's insane. And you go, so it literally just lays that down. And how are you going to argue against that? Well, it's, and that's the thing about it is that we don't need to argue against it. There is wisdom. And when I talk about the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, suddenly we're talking about the people in Canada that relate to the, to the Christian faith, the Jewish faith and the Islamic faith. So if you take all the Sikhs and the Buddhists out and other religions, you've got a huge portion of our nation that actually has a transcendental understanding of the spiritual and the existence of God,

who cares about family, they care about the protection of innocence, and they want freedom of religion. And that is what has made our nation actually work, in addition to all the fiscal conservative stuff that we like. like to think that the issues are about. But right now, those things are under attack. We've had pastors in prison. We have pornography in our schools.

We have kids being removed by social services because they disagree with their parents about, you know, changing their sex or parents being arrested under Bill C4. That's BC? That C4 is. No, no, no, no, no, sorry, not the bill. The parent and the child. That was British Columbia, right? There was a gentleman in BC.

But that's, that's a, those are indicative. Those are indicators of where the government's going in terms of its perception of actual parental authority. So. And I, and I don't mean to put it as, it's off in BC. I just, the story I told you that the first time you came on was Ocean Wiseblot. And I thought, oh, it's over in Calgary. It's not here, right? Like we were talking about the two guys arrested on the sea train. Right.

Oh, it's just Calgary. It's like, folks, it's happening in our province. Yeah. Which is supposed to be the biggest place in Canada. That's right. and you go, oh, so when I say British Columbia, it's not to distance it, it's to place for people what story we're talking about. Right. So I was at the UCP AGM a few weeks ago in Calgary. That's close to the equivalent of the SAS United Party in terms of Albertans, kind of mainstream, center-right, centrist, conservative Albertans coming together in political politics. And the thing that Daniel Smith that said that got the overwhelming standing ovation was her articulation of support for the primacy of parental authority.

It wasn't about more money. Yeah. That's what stood up 3,500 people in that room to applaud the point. So if we buy into this shallow veneer that it's about money and housing, we're listening to a Pied Piper. because the issues that people care about are what is causing them to stand up, go out on a Saturday, spend all day at a convention voting on policies and guidelines for the operations of a political party, and then stand up to applaud the fact that they see that the primacy of parental authority is under attack.

Think about that. And that is the reality of what, of the gap between what we think is, going on in the country and what people are actually feeling. And so with this big book tour that I'm on, it's been what? I guess the last 10 weeks, I've been between Ontario and Vancouver Island talking to people. They're recognizing that the existing system that we have in terms of the liberal choice, the conservative choice, is not, are not providing the answers. There's a hope springing up in the people's faces when I talk to them and I see that. I see. them realize that yes, finally someone's actually talking about the much deeper issues that

we actually really care about, not what we're told to care about or led to believe that people care about. And there's a very ripe conversation about new expressions of people's needs through governmental expression. And by that, I mean parties that will actually speak the truth about what's going on. And I think that's why. you're seeing at a grassroots level politically and provincially these parties rising up because they're connecting to both the hopes the fears that people are realizing that our country's going off the rails it's being deconstructed as you were mentioning a few minutes ago and when they when they see that they become hopeless when they hear someone talking about it that we can fix this and our

country's not to be forfeit then they then they arrive at hope and say yes i can can get behind this because this is actually the reality in addition to the expense of groceries, which is what the people that would like us to be divided want us to talk about. I always come back to, man, here's the cynical side of me. I just go like, Canada is like west east. It is, it feels very divided me. Now, in saying that one, I went to the trucker convoy that you started talking to me you're like man we are not divided at all like we're okay we're on the same page except that's not how the voting system plays out that's not how the elections have played out you know i think it was just jag meet wasn't it just this morning or yesterday said he's

gonna approve the liberals budget for another year and he's not gonna you know and so we're going to have liberals all the way until you know until they finally can be no more and you're like oh well buckle up because it's it's only getting worse and you and i hear you in a like but the structures that be Grant and I just look at it we talked last time about how the conservative party you know

manipulated I'll use that word I you know and they'll say oh you didn't meet these qualifications or these levels but we saw it with you we saw it with Joseph Burgo we saw it with all these different people

that if they wanted to have this open clear discussion and actually allow Canadians to hear an actual discussion they would allow it Instead, they removed you, they removed Joseph Bagao, they move it to others. And you look at the structure and you go, okay, let's say you have an idea that people get behind. Will the structure, will the machine allow you to actually put it into place and start moving it along? Yeah, well, there's definitely, excuse me, definitely room for cynicism in that question because if you follow my discussions in the book I'm reading, I actually make the argument.

that the Conservative Party is a part of this matrix that's actually taking the country over the edge because they're not having the conversations that we need to have. But ultimately, I believe, and this is where it comes back to an understanding of what our nation's about, and do we have a connection into an understanding of God? You can say, I don't want to talk about God, but a lot of people believe that God exists. stuff happens that we can't explain. This isn't kind of this kind of existential conversation about is there a God here? Well, because I'm just, I would say that when you bring up God, people think religion.

Yeah, they do. But we have him in, we have it in our national anthem. Like, there's lots of people that pray in this nation. And yet when they, when we think about our national anthem are the fact that that God is actually an actor in, in the framework of our, nation. We think that he's just, you know, sleeping or somewhere else. And I don't think that God's an indifferent bystander. And I think that God actually has a role to play in this. And I think that as people actually start to talk about this, they start to give oxygen to the embers of their hearts and spirits. And this becomes a reality again. And we we start to reinstall the values into our nation that have made the country thrive, be free, be prosperous, be secure. And these are the foundation stones of our

nation. And this is part of the challenge of simply scoffing at, you know, God doesn't need you, you or me, to approve or accept that he exists for him to exist. And that's the finiteness of our humanity. And in some ways the arrogance of it, too, to think that because we don't believe that he ceases to have a purpose or exist or believe that Canada may have a purpose. So do I want to see Christian Caliphate in this country? No. Do I think we need to return to an understanding that there's actually an actor called God in our nation who the founders of this nation and the people that went before us

actually believed in? And it brought us a sovereign nation with the most amazing country and people and lifestyle and wealth. Yeah, I do. I think there's a connection there. And I think to say otherwise is naive. So let's, I mean, that's, and the most amazing thing about God, and this is as far as I ever go in terms of my own personal discussions about God is, if you don't choose to believe him, I believe in him or that he exists, that's okay. Because that is something that he is comfortable with and he gives us the choice to reject ultimately. And that's the power of that relationship. And this is the difference between religion about God and relationship with God.

Wow. I mean, that is a conversation for the nation in some sense. And I'm not here to kind of expound upon that or preach. But I do think as it goes as far as touching government, we need to reframe that conversation because 67% of Canadians believe in God. So how do we not talk about that as? a nation and how do we not reference the fact that our nation's founded upon the supremacy of God and it's actually the supremacy of God that tempers our ridiculous governmental infrastructure.

Now that's a question. Isn't it? That's the X factor in all this. 80 years of the finest political and governmental thought and we're at the edge of losing our nation. We're at the edge of having foreign actors control our health care and determine what your children get in the event that they get sick. And we're not having conversations about the value framework. That's what is going on in terms of Canada becoming a post-nation state. And we watch the news and we're, excuse me, we're dribbling around these issues that aren't the issues.

Well, but I don't know. know if I got much to add to that. I hear you and I go yeah. I don't know. You've gotten to the same in a very different, like the way you just framed. I'm like yeah. I don't know. I go, you know, it's everywhere. It's literally everywhere around us. Yeah. So how do we get to where we don't recognize it anymore or we don't even know it's there? And you just take what you said and you put it there and you go, well, nefarious actors and a little bit of complacency and a little bit of time. And probably a couple other ingredients and all of a sudden you're sitting here in 2023 and you go, I relate God to, you know, I'm just spitballing here, but like to religion. And religion,

and I'll pick on the Catholics, apologies Catholics this morning. They abused all those kids and that's bad and all that's bad. And then it just gets wiped into the thing and that's what it is. and that's where it all goes. You throw the baby out with the bathwater and you just carry on. And listen, I'm a product of it. You know, for 36 years, I would have not agreed 100% with that,

but it took Jordan Peterson in 2018 reading his book for him to slowly, slowly, just add in a few things from scripture where I was like, all right, I'll listen, I don't really want to, but you're a smart guy, and I really like what you're saying. And I feel like you're on to something here

and I started reading it. And it just read, but it took time. It didn't happen overnight. It took time. This entire endeavor to get to where I'm okay to even have the conversation on this platform is taking time. So what was it that Jordan Peterson nuanced you into that allowed you to move from Cynic to faith? He allowed me to be open to the possibility of it. Okay.

And there was a couple things he talked about. with just some scripture that I was like, there's no way that talked about that. And then you go search out. I don't know. What was there? Interesting. And he had a way of just being like, you know,

he took the, he took, I have a hard time explaining this. Well, maybe I don't. I don't know. I used to look at old timers, not old timers, but if I drum back 200 years, that we're smarter than them. We're just our. Look at all the stuff we have.

We're just smarter than them. He didn't know anything. Smarter or wiser? I think I used to put those two words together. So I just assumed that. And I think the longer I've been talking to people, I don't know when it happened. I remember thinking in the middle of one podcast, I said it a little loud. I'm like, I think I'm becoming a traditionalist.

Oh, God. Like, how did that happen, right? Like, I just started talking to people. And the more people I talked to, the more I went, the only difference between us and 200 years ago is the technology we have. They're probably smarter than us. They probably have more wisdom than us. they probably have all these different things. They just don't have our technology.

And we think we're so grand because we can push a button or two and blow up the entire world, right? But they had things that they had to do. They were connected to the spiritual framework in a way that we go for a weekend camp now to the middle of nowhere to try and find again. Because if you haven't touched any of that, you know, it's so foreign.

We're so busy. We just don't. And so I think there was a huge realization. and part of what Jordan Peterson does in his talking is he outlines that Abraham and those people were not dumb people. They weren't these simple folk. And you think like you read all these stories in the Bible. And if you don't really think about it, you just don't realize how profound it is to have that many thoughts. And Jordan Peterson does this amazing job of making you realize how profound a thought of sacrificing something to something up there is and that it isn't this simple.

Templeton thought. And you have to take a step back from that and go, huh, it took time. I mean, I listened to a lot of Jordan Peterson, and I read his books, and I started to just enact cleaning my room. And some days, I still don't do that, folks. My wife would agree with that. But it's funny what it just starts to do, but it takes time. Like, you know, I'm on a little bit of a tirade here, but Red Souljean, Ensign, and before I opened that book, I thought

there's no way there's ever been a government that can play out this slow hand of like, you know, all these things. And he says it in the first 50 pages, you know? It's a big game of solitaire is what he called it. And some moves take two weeks, two years, 20 years, but it's

being played nonstop. Right. Crap. And so, I don't know, I'm Excuse me The thing with I guess I'm To try and tie it up

Where are my brain's going Because you got me Wandering here Is I just come back to like What we're talking about With values and value systems Is like People need to have

To hear this conversation Then they need to go And think about it And it just doesn't happen overnight No And so the fact you're on here Talking about it Shows me maybe where we're

Kind of at But it's taken It's almost been five years Of this podcast It took until you're You know I've been told I'm talking too much religion lately. And I just chuckle.

I'm like, man, go listen to the first 400 episodes. I don't even mention God. I don't know if it comes up once. I remember who was the Ruben Mays. He used to be running back for the New Orleans Saints. He was from North Battleford. And at the end of the podcast, he goes, oh, and by the way, I just want to say that I believe in God.

And it was almost shocked me. And I went, okay, this is like, folks, this is like two years ago, Three years ago, I go, do I remove that? Like, I actually had that thought. Like, do I want that on the podcast? This is how far I've come. And I would say that I'm not definitely not the tip of the spear, but I'm talking to enough people where I'm running faster than most

and running into things that most people probably don't experience. Or maybe they do in their own way. And I've just been like, well, I have to come to terms with some of this. And then you start to see it everywhere. Well, I show up and discuss the book. Can we often get into these kinds of discussions with rooms full of people, kind of 100 to 200 people in a room at a time? And I always end my discussions with an open mic so that we can have,

we can actually have discussions from the floor. And these are the kinds of conversations that are coming up in terms of probing into the underbelly of politics and what isn't being talked about and why we need to talk about it. And it's a pulse of what's going on in Canada. And to accept this narrative that we're presented with by, what's call it, that voice from popular culture or from social media or from the CBC, that there's no space for this conversation is an absolute lie. Because this is the pulse of Canada.

And people are talking about thousands of Canadians are talking about this. And they're talking about other kitchen tables. And Jordan Peterson, just you mentioned Jordan Peterson a moment ago. He did an interview that I listened to this late spring, and it was with a Jewish academic. You have to forgive me for not remembering his name, but they had a discussion. They were talking about this Judeo-Christian civic moral order, and they basically presented it as this stored-up spool of thread that brought order and a kind of moral alignment and a blessing, for lack of a better word, to a nation.

and it was it was kind of spooled up and spun out for generations of Americans and Canadians that shaped the nation and provided kind of the protection for the nuclear family and this freedom of religion and speech and somewhere probably in the 50s or 60s or maybe late 60s that spool ran out and ever since then we've been running without that and we've been going off course and that we are now living in the reality of being off course. And the question is, again, 80 years of the finest political minds coming together in our nation to shape the nation. And we're talking about Canada not being a nation. We're talking about pornography in our schools and that's okay.

Or at least it's presented as being okay. We're talking about these issues. What is the X factor? And the X factor, I think, is that we've actually removed this framework of, understanding that there is a supreme God and he actually is a part of our constitution and to we we have to have our laws function and thrive because they fall into a moral framework that people can understand in the context of who they are as individuals and created beings so so would I I'm going to get this

drastically wrong so I but here here's here it is what I what I see happen over and over in the media cycle and what's really impacted God. So being a part of it is the residential school system because that was the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church, you know,

whether there is no graves, there is graves, I've had people on here that have been abused by it. And then there are other people from our community folks, my community, that have been a part about it, that were abused by it. So you go,

you know like at some point like we have to address that discussion yeah we do okay so one the catholic church did that there you talk to quebecers catholic church had its own tyrannical run in quebec and so you look at the nation and what goes on in the uh the narrative the the the common talk not between people but between like uh politicians and the constructed narrative of media is that the church did really bad things, and we need to remove it so that those bad things can't happen again. And so you look at it,

and we're trying to reconcile what happened with First Nations. Meanwhile, tons of terrible things, as you keep pointing out, is going on right now, and we don't want to address what's happening in our day-to-day. Yeah, so I think that we need to deal with that issue, And I think there's all kinds of things in Canada that we need to work and move towards reconciliation and resolve in. But, I mean, as a lawyer, I know that you really can't have true justice unless the truth is told. So we need to have that understanding that our society can actually produce truth.

How are we going to get to where we can produce truth? Well, if you think about what truth is and what is blunt, finding us to truth now in our nation, it's actually the darkness around where we should have light. Because a lot of the truth is obfuscated. So we had this whole thing with these graves that, if you want to talk about it in the context of Catholic Church and lost lives, if you will, the unmarked graves. And we had this whole thing flare up, that there were all these graves. It came in the wake of some of...

unrest that flowed into some of the Black Lives Matter protestations in the middle of COVID. And suddenly we had this narrative of these unmarked graves that were found in Kamloops, except they never found them. Correct. And no one ever talked about the fact that we ever, never found them. Because to talk about it is to get canceled. Sure. So, but the fact is that where ostensibly those graves were, there actually were no unmarked graves

in that particular place. In that particular place. So let's have that conversation as a nation and not allow those narratives of the past to be to be kind of recooked to bring division. Let's acknowledge. I mean, I suppose. So you're sorry. So to produce truth, we need media to actually be transparent. We need truthful.

We need truthful media. And right now our mainstream media is perpetuating division, isn't it? But 100%. Right. And that's why I'm here talking to you, because we're actually having these conversations about what are the root issues that we need to restitch into our nation. And part of it is the reality of these kinds of conversations where we can actually say,

yes, okay, bad things happen. We want to validate that. I spoke with a friend of mine who's an indigenous hereditary chief in Canada, And he told me his story just last week about what happened in those institutional schools. He talked to me about the sexual abuse that happened to him, how he became an obstacle because he maybe was a spirit that stood up against that abuse, how he was stabbed and how he was left to die in the basement stairwell for three days. Okay. This is his truth.

And I'm sharing it because I think. it's important. And what happened was, yes, there was abuse. There was horrible abuse. And but there was a nun who wasn't of that entire, you know, let's say species that we all, we want to attribute every human being to that happens to, you know, be a Catholic or a Christian. She heard him crying as a young boy in the stairwell, went in, found out how to get into this locked. you know those the under under a stairwell storage compartments that can be in institutional buildings she found out how to get into that room get them out get them repaired and healed and he's growing up and I think that he he is going to be a significant

voice in terms of actually the reconciliation of our nation with our indigenous Canadians our indigenous brothers and sisters and that was a one person who happened to be a Catholic none who was not like that. And I'm not here in defense of Catholicism. No, no, no. I'm here. And I don't mean to crap on Catholic. You're not. And I'm not, I'm not a Catholic. It's not a sensitive issue for me. I'm just saying we hear these stories that makes it us throw the baby out with the bathwater. And there was an individual who understood what was right and wrong. They had and held light. They stepped into a dark situation and they corrected it. And I believe that that man in our nation is going to be very significant because he actually has a generational witness

to the relationship between the indigenous people in our nation, the first peoples, and the people that came to settle way back into the 1700s. He is a hereditary chief and he is speaking truth about what needs to happen in this country. His truth is there because someone observed what was right and wrong. They stewarded their light as a person. That none did the right thing. She made the right decision that day. And she brought her light into a dark cubbyhole under a stairwell and saved that kid's life.

So out of all that darkness, there was light. And we all carry light and steward light. And we need to take that light into our nation and form a movement. of people who won't tolerate all the BS that's being spoken, or if there are things that have happened in our nation that are wrong in the past, we actually put it in the context that had happened in. And so, yes, I've spoken to people where there's bad things that happen in the residential schools. I've also spoken to people that are indigenous that came through the residential schools, and it helped course correct their life, and they built fruitful,

healthy lives. But it's not politically correct these days to talk about that, but they're out there. Well, but that's, yeah. Right. So, so then we have to go deeper and we have to say, why aren't we having the, good journalism used to be the balancing of both stories. Correct. So if we're not having the healthy journalistic endeavor or encounter with our media, then we have to look and say, why are we, why is that being suppressed? And why are we being devised? And why are we being divine? by only showing the darkness. And it's because there's an agenda to deconstruct this nation. And what we need to do to deal with that darkness,

because I don't believe this nation is to be deconstructed. I believe it has an amazing purpose. It's full of promise for Canadians. And it's here with the potential to actually immensely help the world, not just Canadians. But we've got this agenda to take it away and take it into the hands of a few. That's what's going on

with the post-Nation state discussion that we're not having. So that's darkness. I'm calling that darkness because it's taking away from the identity of every man and woman in this country. It's taken away from our sovereignty as a people

to self-govern and to do good and to build our families and to build wealth and to pass it to our grandchildren. That is taking all of those things away. But the framework for how it's happening, is because there's people of light, people that bear light, that know right and wrong, and we're talking about the price of groceries. Not that that's a bad conversation, but we've got

to start stewarding that light and bringing it in and actually taking the time to probe into the darkness, just like that nun did with this brother of mine who's a light bearer from the indigenous nations. We're not powerless. And you actually bring light into darkness. Darkness gets gets uncomfortable and dispels. So that's why what you're doing is so radically important for our nation because there's people that are going to actually be thinking about what we need to do is actually stand up

and confront some of these lies and some of the things that are going wrong. And we're not powerless. We are not powerless. We steward light and we need to find each other across this nation. And I think that's what's happening. within these political manifestations of people coming together in political parties in the different provinces that we're talking about.

And everywhere I go in the country, I have people that would be aligned with this conversation. It's resonating across the country. And that's part of what the book's about, too. Well, you're, you know, there's, out of all the bad that came of COVID, there was a whole lot of good, right? Like we, you know, if we, if we have parts of the discussion we don't talk about, when we focus on COVID, we don't focus on the good that came out of it. Like, I'm happy that, like, in one instance, I wish I'd known two years before that's coming, because I run in those people all the time that, you know, they just got out of the way when they saw it coming. They just, you know, just literally had on Curtis Stone. And he was, this is like, sold her house, got a Kelowna, went and bought a place out in the country.

and, you know, we went back to what we were doing, didn't where, you know, he talks about, you just read the laws and, okay, there's the loophole. And he was very, I was just like, huh, that's really cool to run into. I wish I'd been there then. Don't we all wish we could go back to a point in time in our life and, you know, and just know what we know now then? But regardless, you know, COVID completely altered the trajectory of this thing. like I the people that come and sit across from me now I'm like oh how the heck did I get here

you know like I don't know and my life in general and the people around me and the people in the conversations and everything that has been a giant giant plus and if you were on the nefarious side going we are going to slowly deconstruct Canada and we're going to slowly or fast

whatever whichever way you want to put it folks and we're going to slowly just create this nation state that, you know, is beholden to the WHO and UN and WF and all these things, and we're going to just slowly deconstruct it, and we're going to get rid of all their energy, and we're going to go to wind and solar, and we're going to take this, and there's going to be no family, and on and on and on and on, and you think it won't go on and on and on, but it just keeps going down the rabbit hole.

I laugh. They obviously didn't predict this because, like, or maybe they did. I don't know. Like, I don't know when they thought they'd see resistance, but what I see is resistance happening. And it takes, you know, out of all the guess I have, have. You know, we go through this stretch of like no hope or hopelessness or cynicism or whatever it is or and you come in and you get Grant come in and there's a little hope left there.

You know, it's like, oh, there's still a little bit of light around. Use your word. There's a little bit of light still here. And I find myself very inspired by what you're talking about because I think there's a lot of people that just, you know, like the amount of information now that just shows what's going on. I mean, you don't have to look that hard. I don't even like reading it anymore. It's just like it's right there. And what frustrates people is that other people can't see it

because they don't want to see it. They're tied up with a ton of different things. What you're giving is a little bit of hope, or a little bit of light, you know, because, you know, like it takes Saskatchewan. You know, they come in and they're going to have Soji 1,2, 3, and they're going to have all these things in the schools. Then there's this huge protest, the government goes back and forth.

I was talking to a bunch of people, and they're just like, yeah, that makes zero sense and want nothing to do with it. But are they out protesting? No. They're just the mainstream, just kind of, you know, going with it back and forth. There's probably a ton of people listening in this podcast who just sit in the vehicle and it's their own thoughts. It used to be Joe Rogan for me.

I used to ride everywhere and listen to them. And sometimes I'd talk about it. Sometimes I just need to hear other people talk about it so I could start to form my own thoughts on it. and the fact you're sitting here and we're all doing this, and there's a little bit of hope put back into the world again, Canada specifically, because I think a lot of people are staring at this,

like going, you know, Daniel Smith, he actually doing a great job. Pierre Pollyev, they see him eat at apple. And, you know, like, I go, well, we'll see where this plays out over time. Like, he isn't talking about, maybe he is a little bit now more, folks. I don't know. And Grant can probably jump on that. But, like, maybe he's starting to talk about the family a little bit more, but there's people in the conservative party that don't want what we all want.

want. No. And that's very frustrating because it's like, well, I'm not asking for much. We're asking for, you know, the building block of humanity to be protected. Right. And this is, uh, this is the problem with the conservative party because a lot of the people that would be interested in this conversation would have come from a root system that we would have known 20 years ago as the reform party of Canada or 25 years ago as a reform party of Canada. And it was a discussion about this value framework that actually shapes a nation, not to, not to restrain or curtail people in terms of their freedoms,

but to actually give a framework. Is that what the Reform Party was doing? Yes, it was. And so, but let me just say, those people were brought in to the Conservative Party in Stephen Harper's time as a convergence, and they were brought in with the hope of these values that, in a sense, I'm talking about being expressed,

expressed through the Conservative Party. And this is probably the most damning thing out of the book is that I've written, is that Stephen Harper recognized in 2003 that what you and I are talking about now as darkness, if we want to use that term, he called it dark moral nihilism, which means the absence of any moral framework.

And I make the point, and I say, he didn't have the courage to call dark moral nihilism Evil. Right? And then the book kind of carries on. And we talk then about a young MP coming in 2006 and referring to the people that that came to the conservative party, the reformers as the bombastic and embarrassing people that were tamed by the centrist leadership of Stephen Harper. And yet that's a lot of Western Canada who look, are looking. looking and saying, hey, we need to do something about this.

We need to have a Sask United Party. We need to stand and clap when Daniel Smith says that the primacy of parental authority is, is not going to be untouched by the, are not going to be engaged or touched by the government. Speaking of evil. Okay. Like, certainly if there's light, there's darkness. If there's God, there's the complete opposite of that. Yeah.

Lots of different people have a lot of different. people have a lot of different names for it, okay? Yeah. The Reform Party. You know, I, until you brought it up, I knew a little bit about it. I've had different people sit in here and tell me a little bit about it. They were an absolute success, were they not? In Western Canada, they were the established conservative authority for many years in the mid-90s.

And if I understand anything about politics, because I've seen it play out and continue to see it play out, if you're the other side and are seeing the power structure being really affected, that was on a federal level. You don't want that. No. And so the Reform Party going and joining was a mistake. Well, it wasn't probably a mistake in the context of, hey, that could be a good idea to unite the right. But what happened was that they were betrayed. But that's what I mean.

Yeah. Okay, so then that sense of this mistake. I look at it and I go, who's the guy who pushed the idea of unite the right? Or what group of people? Because they knew once they united the right, then they can control it again. So, yeah. So there was a pragmatism politically in doing that because why- Because they want a control of the entire country?

Why split the vote and have these reformers and this progressive conservative party that was dying? And another iteration of it was the Alliance Party. You know where else that happened? that happened in Alberta, Wild Rose. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Florac crossing.

All this stuff. So now there's this sense at the grassroots where we're saying, you know what, it's not worth, we're not falling under this banner of don't split the vote because don't split the vote is taking us down the toilet. That's why we have drag queens reading pornographic material to children in public libraries. But here's the crazy thing. parents just like, here we go. You know, you got tons of parents that are like, this is not okay. You got other parents that think it's great. Well, I mean...

You got, you got, you know, you got the leader of the NDP, Jagmead Singh on, what day was that, folks, where he marched with all the pride. Was that, was that on the one million march for children? He marches on the opposite side of it. And people, you know, like there wasn't a huge revolt in the NDPers. No. You know, you got all these things going on. But, you know, this base understanding of our society, I mean, this is an anecdotal story.

You know, one story doesn't make this true in the nation. But I love this story because I have a friend who works down in Lethbridge. She works in a union shop. She probably would think quite similarly to me in a lot of issues. But she's in that community. She lives with the people. She values them. It's part of her world.

and she contributes to that kind of community in the area that she lives in. Sure. She was telling me this story about this one day that this mom who came, a single mom who got, came into the staff room and was really agitated and told this story about her nine-year-old daughter coming home from school, talking about what it was that was being talked about at school, and it was basically soji. Now this mother, you know, she is a working mom.

She certainly not, wouldn't be from a religious background or from a Christian background or go to church or anything. So it's not like she was, you know, some kind of Bible thumping person who had a hypersensitivity to the issues. But when she, when she saw what was going on and when she understood that there was actually a shaping of the child's perspective that the child was not to, to communicate to the parent or parents about what was being shown to them at school, she freaked out. That was a line for her that activated her in terms of saying there's something wrong with our society. And it wasn't about the price of milk. It was about the fact that there was the educational system that was actually coming between

the parent and the child in terms of what is morally right and wrong. there was an intention to deceive the parent being fed into that child by the system and that put her over the edge that is what Canadians are viscerally reacting to and that's not a that and I say this with respect that's not a high-brow thinker who's sitting listening to Jordan Peterson kind of intellectualize you know our complicated problems that's a mom who is looking at this kid that she loves she's working every day to to care for and feed seeing that the state is actually coming in between her child and her don't mess with mama bears this is what's going on in our country this is a part of the grassroots expression this is why

the veneer that we're seeing on TV or CBC or whatever is so shallow and this is why this conversation so important because does money follow values or does values follow money now money money follows value money follows values so we we want that fixed we don't we care about our kids we care about our grandchildren we want our schools to teach we we want to be free to pray or not pray the way that we wish to so freedom of religion primacy of parental authority and the protection of the innocence of our children to ensure that pedophilia is not normalized I mean, if we can't protect our kids at that level,

we actually don't deserve this country. So that's a battle cry, right? That's a line that's being drawn, and that's why you're seeing people actually re-engage this discussion about why reform, the reform party was tricked, neutralized, and parked in a cul-de-sac within the Conservative Party of Canada. Because this value framework has now had its light

dimmed in our nation. Because these are the people that actually talk about this stuff and are unsettled by these kinds of discussions. But yet they bring these issues all the time into party conferences or into policy discussions and they get shut out and frustrated and they get the policy pushed down from the leadership of the political party. And a great example of this was a few weeks ago. People paid to fly from all over Canada to go to the Conservative Party policy conference.

They voted on some great policy about supporting the family and all kinds of things. And what a Pierre Pauliev basically say, there's no guarantee that any of these policies are ever going to come into a platform in an election. It wasn't a wild thing to say. So what is the point if these kinds of things are actually what people care about and are flying around the country to talk about because they know the fabric. of the nations being ripped apart. And the leader of that party says, yeah, thanks for the process, but we're not going to talk about them. Do you think that's, um, the word that comes to mind is arrogance that I know,

like we know better because we're talking to Canadians all over, uh, from the conservative party standpoint. We, we've, we've talked to all these people. And although this small little portion wants this majority of Canadians want, uh, you know, like, uh, like, just, I'll put it in, actually, before, I push on the conservators. I'll just push it to like bigger, bigger things like Bud Light, Victoria's Secret,

these giant companies who are making oodles of money, like just so much money. I mean, the Bud Light had the number one light beer in the United States for like 20-some years in a row. Then they put Dylan Mulvaney on a can, and they thought that was a good idea. Oh, yeah, that's a great idea.

And what happened? They got slaughtered. They got slaughtered. And they have not recovered. And they are no longer the number one beer in America. It's Medello now. And then you have Victoria's Secret. You know, like, you know, I say this all the time.

You can love or hate the fact they put pretty women in lingerie. But for decades, that was success. They retired the Angels. They start with now we're going to bring in all these different things, including a transgendered male. And their share price goes from $87 to $17, I think. And you go, like, okay, so they thought they were on the right track. Miss America gets bought.

They have two transgendered men, two transgendered women, go to Miss America. They're filed for bankruptcy. It's like, well, it's on such a large scale that they think these are good ideas. Yeah. Well, isn't this, this is the gap between reality and what we're showing to be reality. right? It's exactly what it is because the everyday Americans decided what they thought about those Bud Light ads and someone paid for that. Shareholders. So it's not actually working, but yet you turn that truth back to Canada and that's a great, great example, actually. We're not interrogating

the messages that are actually being sent to us. I mean, some of the parties are sending out these message is that it's okay to not support like Jagmeet Singh marching with the LGBTQ you know side of that counter parade for the million person march that the Muslim community set up and the Muslim community set up and invited the Christian community to do that because we all share the common values of protecting our kids in the primacy of parental authority but we've got a national party leader marching in opposition to that and the conservatives I think if I'm right? They asked their MPs to refrain from participating in that. They were quiet. Right. They were very quiet. But yet these are core things that you and I...

There isn't anything more simple than what went on in that march. You and I would bleed if someone came into our house to stop someone molesting our children. Correct. Right. And so we've got a silent conservative party and we've got a complicit engaged NDP leadership but I'm sure if the liberals were in this conversation in terms of whether they showed up or not, it would have been not with the million person march led by the Muslim community in this nation.

And I know some of those guys. I know one of the guys that was a part of the Muslim community in Calgary advancing that, I met with them for coffee in Calgary. And he said, Grant, like he said, I was involved in the Libyan Civil War. That war was between a Muslim form of government and a Christian expression of government.

He says, I knew that the Christians had the right framework for government in the nation. And even as a Muslim, I fought with the Christians. That's not the point of my comments here. But he said, I fought with them. He says, I was taken prisoner by the Muslim side of that civil war. I was tortured for information. I had my fingernails all removed. And he said, anything that the Canadian government can do is not going to be as bad as that torture.

and I can do that for my kids. Where is our resolve to actually stand up for our nation that's supposed to be the nation that stands up for freedom in our globe? And we can't even decide to support that kind of a march and we're electing people that are confused about whether they should or not. So this goes back to this question of why aren't our politicians,

our mainstream politicians, the Bud Light Drinkers, if you will, that the Canadian consumers haven't realized that they're actually dealing with a bud light scenario. Why aren't they responding? They're not responding because they're worried about the calculus of power, not what the people need or want or care about, or what their generations of Canadians are going to need or want or care about. So that's the fallacy of our Canadian infrastructure right now politically. That's why you're seeing parties like Sask United form. That's why you're seeing a new political, a new expression of conservativeism in BC with the reform of the BC conservatives.

I think it's Andrew Lawton who said to me, create conditions where even bad politicians do the right thing. Well, and this is the discussion. So these are market forces that are coming into play in our Canadian politic and that's why you're seeing new expressions happen in relation to these kinds of discussions provincially. And this is exactly why myself and a number of Canadians in this country are engaging the discussion federally because a lot of our issues that we in the West, as Western Canadians, like to get frustrated about with justification in many cases, those issues need to be engaged from a federal platform, not just a strong expression of provincial voices.

And so that's what that is what I'm doing. Okay. You remember I was saying People are like the amount of information And they just stare at the wef, the UN, the WHO like man There is so much It is like at this point I just I'm almost tired of like watching the same

Yeah I get it In saying that you have to pay attention I'm not saying don't pay attention It's just it's like Yeah so open and then people get frustrated Because people aren't paying attention They're like how can't you see what's going on And I don't get that

here's a question that I don't know if we can crack today but I'll throw it at you there is a huge conservative base out west I'm going to vote conservative in the federal election bar none nonstop full stop whatever doesn't matter and they are very uncomfortable with the idea of that the conservatives are going to lead us over the cliff they might even be wide awake to the UN and everything else but they're like if we don't get the conservatives in, we will not course correct, if you would. And this conversation is really hard for conservatives because all they hear, this is how we're going to split the vote again, this is how we're not, and then we got Justin Trudeau for five more years and yada, yada, yada,

yada. And this is one I actually don't know the answer to. I've really had my misgivings about it. I've got to talking to a PPCer. And he even said, like, you should probably support the PPCs at least the election. And I know, why? And he said, same thing the SAS United is doing for the SAS party. By having somebody who is right, they're holding them that way. If you just give all the power of the conservatives right now, they get to lean left with the NDP and the liberal.

And you have to pull them back. But for a lot of conservatives, they're just giving their vote to conservatives without even think about it. They're team players. Here it is. Just get back in power so we can have things on the right course. And they don't want to have this discussion. I don't even know if they come sit at the table.

I don't know if they ever want to come sit at the table of like maybe there's a different way and yes the different way is opposite to our thinking of like just give the blue vote the blue vote Right. Well, I think if we can continue with that discussion or even the metaphor of the bud light And if we can start to can start to conceive of the conservative party as the bud light or the former progressive conservative party that was obliterated by reform and and recognize that we're being sold a bill of goods in terms of what the real issues are and why they're not being talked about, then we can actually start to shape.

I mean, you can never crack, open the mind of someone who chooses not to look, right? But that person who doesn't choose to look gets to vote. And they're voting nonstop conservative grant. Yeah, that's true. And that's why perhaps in this context, maybe another year of torture by the Liberal Party and seeing what the Conservative Party's not talking about,

maybe we'll provide them with more evidence of why they can't just go into auto function and vote conservative, because the issues are so real. I mean, it's like I can go on and on. I mean, David McGinty in 2020, the spring of 2020, made a U-T, he's the chair of the security, the sitting committee on security, in Ottawa. And he, I think he got so frustrated with the fact that he was getting this

information from CIS and the RCMP about what was going on in our country with regard to foreign interference. He actually went on YouTube and did a report, or did a report that ended up on YouTube outlining all of the issues of foreign interference that was going on and basically saying we're so far short, our country's vulnerable. And, okay, let's even just, just talk about that. Forget all the other pieces that we're talking about. What did the Conservative Party do about that? Nothing. They didn't do anything about it for like three years until it arose this year in, in a in a, in a, in a, to do with the, um, the foreign interference involvement with that liberal MP in Ontario, whose name I can't remember at the moment. But,

but, but I mean, you know, so if we want to talk about conservative, one of the most, the, the, the the clearest and strongest, um, conservative values is, the defense of our nation, right, to conserve the sovereignty of our people in our nation. And we've had, what, four years? So what, I mean, just start with that evidence, right? We don't even need to talk about the split between the fiscal conservative and the social conservative. All conservatives should have been being around that.

Why was there no response to that? Why haven't, how can we have two leadership elections in the conservative party? And we never, no one was ever asked, what? What does it mean to be a post-nation state? Pierre Pollyev, or not Pierre Paulyev, Justin Trudeau said that in 2018. Post-Nation state means the mandate to give legitimacy of government to our elected officials leaves the country. And it goes outside of our borders and all of a sudden we're governed by someone else, somewhere else. We haven't elected.

In hockey, you know, I can't remember folks. was it was it 10 years ago was it 15 years ago at some point analytics became huge right baseball it's always been huge yeah but but in hockey it started to become this conversation you know shift length and shots on golf and I'm I'm butchering it because I'm not a huge analytical guy but regardless it came into the sport right kind of changed some of the things going on there when I look at politics all I see is analytics it's all they do they just analyze what a population is going to think of this idea You just see the, like I just sit back and I just watch conservatives.

I bet you Pierre Pollyev wanted to join the $1 million for Canada, for children, sorry. That's what I think. He's a father, you know, he's like the messaging wasn't this extreme thing. It was pretty, you know, like that makes sense. But then they go, well, how's this message going to be received? Well, not very good. Okay.

And they do this little thing. I'm having this argument with a guy who's running in Saskatchewan about what is a woman. And I'm like, really? And then he went, well, you got to understand. The cities are different than the rule. I'm like, no, you can't perpetuate a lie. I mean, this is how we're getting into the situation. But this is politics. They look at all the analytics. Well, if we say it this way, you know, how's it going to be received? And you know, the one thing, you know, you love and hate about Donald Trump is everybody, you know, so many of us just go, like, if he just shut his trap sometimes. But in saying that, that's what got him elected, because he just walked in. And he just walked in,

He was a bull in a China shop and he just went, listen, I'm done with all this and we're going to, da, da, da, da, da. And I mean, look at his fan base. It's a giant. And Canadians look at that and go, we want our own version of it. We just, we just want to, can we just talk about open things and not worry about if it's going to get you elected or not? Right. Like, let's talk openly. And all we see, and I'm speaking myself now, is the system doesn't want that.

It keeps anyone who even isn't that extreme. And I come back to you, right? you tried doing a conservative party joseph porcoe i talk about maxine bernier uh the last election they wouldn't let him on the debate stage i'm like that's wild so you have the quebec uh the block up there and he literally says i don't want to be prime ministers just pass me on the question i'm like this is our but there's not enough people and i don't blame people for not being engaged with that i watched and i'm like this is the stupidest thing i've ever watched my life this is a dog and pony show like this has nothing to do with our country anymore they've already made it very clear they're going to put

whoever they want up on there. And so when I come back to our conversation, I got, how realistic is it? Light, bright, or not? Yeah. Well, I, I, I actually go against the system that keeps pushing you down. I think if we just give up.

Well, you can't do. So this, there is, there is a reality here. And this goes back to my initial comment about the fact that I believe there is a God. and he's not an indifferent bystander in this nation. I don't know what anybody thinks about that. I guess for me it doesn't really matter. But he has been a part of the framing and establishing of this nation,

and there's been millions and millions of Canadians that believe that and still do. And so if you read that book that you have sitting behind you, you will see that what needs to happen is that people simply need to show up and speak the truth. and this is what I believe. So I could be a cynic or hopeless, if you will, about this conversation. I'm not saying that you are, but you're speaking to a legitimate question. I think Canadians are asking. And I think what we need to do is be showing up and actually allowing for that light to come out.

And we're on a roundabout here in terms of this conversation. But, you know, in that sense, this is where we need to go. but we actually need to allow people to, I mean, this conversation, I think, is quite a significant conversations because you and I have just arrived at an analogy that the progressive or the conservative party of Canada is like Bud Light advertisement. Because it's, they're saying things and doing things that don't resonate with beer drinkers. That's why you're seeing the grassroots swell up. That's why people are worrying about.

we can't split the vote. But when they actually hear a narrative and a message that relates to the way they want this nation to be and what they believe the framework is that will allow their family to be secure, for prosperity to be built, for wealth to be transferred, for our nation to be sovereign, for us to protect our borders and do good in the world, they will respond. And that's what's going on in the grassroots that you're seeing provincially. And that's what's being talked about federally. When federal election comes around a couple of years, right, where are you running?

Where are you going to be? Are you divulging that? Do you know where you're going to be? Am I picking on something? No, you're not. No, no, no. It's open conversation. Because it's United Party of Canada is what you told me last time.

Yeah, that's right. That's the name of it. Is it like, so get it all set up. Where are you going to run? Or do you know? I'm based in, I'm based in central, South Central Alberta, Calgary at the moment. So I will probably run in Alberta. But we're going to be working hard to establish representation across Western Canada.

And I think that's where the base is. That's where our base is. There's a lot of forces that work in terms of what Western Canadians think about how this nation works. I like the country together, but I also see a value framework that is clearly articulated as a political stream of voices from Western Canada. There's a homogenousness in this conversation that exists in Western Canada. Well, the thing that... It's like Quebec, isn't it? The thing that I think of it, man, the Reform Party, when you think about it in politics,

the Reform Party is something I probably should study just a smidge more. Because in the federal landscape, like that, to convince conservatives that they should vote for something other than the Conservative Party is a tough thing to do. Like to get them to make that jump. Once they've made the jump, I don't think bringing them. But this history, what we're talking about here

happened in the early 90s. That's what I mean. It's exactly the pattern. It's not that long ago. It's maybe slightly outside. Most new Canadians are, you know, people who are under 50s perspective

because that was a part of what happened. It's like Ottawa was stormed by reform MPs. because the conservas went so far left that they got obliterated at the polls. That was the end of the progressive conservative party. It was called then and Joe Clark and et cetera, et cetera, right? That's when the reformers came in, if my political history is right. But we're basically talking about the same thing now because people are seeing that there's this progressive conservative party

that's called now the Conservative Party of Canada that's taking the country in the same direction. only slightly slower left than the liberals. And we know it, but we're still scared to actually have these conversations. So there's going to be an alternative. There's going to be a showing up. And we're going to have to have these conversations because I'll tell you what, Western Canada and Alberta for sure, probably Saskatchewan, is talking about legitimately trying to leave the country.

So we either, there's either going to be a separation movement in Canada or worse. which we won't talk about here. Or there's going to be a real political expression that actually rebalances this discussion in terms of how we want our nation to function and the values under which we want to live. You know, I'll say this. I remember after the last election, wasn't it, folks,

where where Wexit happened, right? Wexit, where there was this, like, swelling of a Facebook group that went, you know, this idea of Western separation because Trudeau got elected again. It went from like 100 people to like 100,000 people in no time, like a couple days maybe. And I went and saw it in Lloyd. I just remember walking in and being like, this isn't it.

I just, I listened to the speaker. I'm forgetting his name. And I just remember, you know, somebody put the hand up and said, the question was, well, are you going to be the leader or is you going to be, well, I'd like to be a leader? And you went, this isn't democracy. Like, if we're going to do this, you're going to have to have the best minds, the most brilliant minds. You're going to have leaders go on in debate.

What are we all talking about? There's no transparency. You know, the last time we talked about the debate in Eminton and how the fact they wouldn't ask any questions around pro-choice, pro-life. Just simple. Just have the conversation. Right. People can be tied up on things, but we're not going to have the transparency and the openness to talk about things. Then we're going down the same bloody path we've been down.

So one of the things that I do admire about your grant is that. that I feel like there's a grown-up in the room that when this happens, when you get to the point of having these discussions, I feel like there will be some meat to it, which is very intriguing to me. It's probably why you're back on again, because I'm like, it's intriguing to me. I see a person who's thought about things, thought them out.

Now, the question becomes, I just look at it and I go, man, has there been enough pain to the conservative party to conservative voters, sorry, the base, that they would support something like a reform-esque party. And I don't mean to, I just, to me, that makes sense to me because they were very, very, very successful. And right now, you know, you were asking me when you first came in, like, what's my feeling?

My feeling is people are putting all their faith in Pierre. They're putting, he's going, in my opinion, unless things, and they certainly can over the next year. But like, it was so self-explanatory on the one million March for Kilt. for children. In fairness, a lot of conservatives were busy working and everything else, and they didn't see it and they don't really pay attention. They see Pierre and they see the polls and they go, good, we're going to win. And they aren't thinking past it there. Yeah. So, I mean, and I think this is why these conversations are so important because when you ask many people in Western Canada,

what they think of Pierre's response to Christine Anderson, they're, their, their, their, they're strong disdain over the treatment of Christine Anderson and being being called nasty, vile, and hateful and being told that she should never come to the country. And she's here as a Christian voice and freedom fighter against what the globalist agenda's doing. Now, that's a shocking event. And if I am in rooms and this conversation about God comes up in relation to politics, I mean, whether you believe God exists or not, I continue to say that.

There are people that we think that we should respect. in terms of holding faith, Muslims or Sikhs or Buddhists or Christians or Jews or whatever. And yet we have a foreign politician that has been one of the leading international voices advocates for freedom despite whether she's a Christian or not. And she shows up. She meets with Leslin Lewis and two other MPs. And suddenly the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada saying she's vile and hateful and she should never have come to the country. But how do you how do you how do you how do you rationalize that if you're I don't think they're paying attention

I honestly I the question I have is I think they are the question I have is what percentage of the population saw that happen and understood what was going on there and and probably I'm talking about the conservative side of it but like how many people that are so like my myself yourself I haven't been this tied into politics ever my life and I'm just like paying attention so like the long it goes on the more I start to go like okay we're gonna have some issues but there's a ton of people that are I don't know I'm talking about engagement here folks not about like left right but like engagement on a on zero you so if we're conservative voters zero is you know I'm gonna vote conservative but I'm not really paying attention I'm just going to go to 10 I'm watching

everything I got to be somewhere between a seven and a 10 I would say you know some days I I want to be a two, but I'm that far. There's a ton of conservative voters who are five and less, who don't know who Christina Anderson is, didn't understand half of it, don't care, don't care what the media is saying, and aren't clued into any of that. Fair enough.

And that's maybe true, and that's why I think Pierre Pollyev never takes questions at the end of his discussions. There's never an open mic to allow Canadians to articulate these concerns. That's why the PPC never talks about what being libertarian really means and what that means for people of faith. So these conversations go unanswered, right? So this is the awkward conversation. This is where Pierre Pollyev at some point is going to have to provide an accounting for why he can, at his acceptance speech for leadership of the Conservative Party,

say, God bless Canada, God bless Canada, and then treat someone who, is a child of God and articulating themselves as a Christian as nasty and vile, how do you, how do you reconcile that moral position? And if there's that kind of duplicity, what kind of double-mindedness are we going to have in government? If you can't, you can't rationalize an articulation of God in relation to Blessing Canada. And then someone comes as a guest and speaks with a Christian MP, Leslin Lewis, and suddenly there's immense sanction from the party for a meeting for a free politician from another country. What does that mean for us? That double-mindedness is going to express itself in other ways. So there's huge inconsistencies,

and I think this is where Mr. Poliav needs to be having these conversations, and he's not going to be able to do that unless there's conversations like this happening that point these things out. and we could go on. You mentioned PPC and you brought it up last time. And actually, I think right at the end of the interview, you were talking about maybe next time we could talk about PPCs and values and different and different things and what maybe, I don't know if it's PPCers don't get

or something along that lines. I hope I'm refreshing your memory. No, I think that's basically kind of how that shaped. And one of the things that I'm noticing is I'm moving across the country talking about the book in particular. as a platform for discussion is that. And sorry, the book he's talking about, folks, we mentioned it last time,

but the battle for the soul of Canada firing the forge and it's Grant Abraham. I'll throw it up on the screen there so people can kind of see what I'm talking about. We can probably toss a link and it's on Amazon and everything. It is, yeah, yeah. Sorry. But so I'm there's a shameless plug for you for you.

Well, thank you very much. Well, look, people are reading it. I'm having very interesting conversations across the country about it. But I think as I show up and people hear me articulating this message of hope and freedom for the nation, they're saying, why aren't you doing this within the PPC framework? And my answer has become that, you know, and I'll ask them, I said, well, do you believe that, you know, do you believe we're in trouble as a nation?

Yes. Do you believe that we're dealing with darkness kind of encroaching upon our country? Like we're seeing our country sold out. do you perceive that as evil or darkness? And they'll say yes. And I said, so if you frame the discussion in terms of that language, you know, we're in a spiritual war here in terms of good and evil. And they'll say, yeah, absolutely.

So I'll say, well, from my, from my perspective, if there's good and evil, it means there's, there's a good God and there's, you know, there's bad evil in the Christian context or many religions. It's called Satan or the devil or whatever. And one is bondage and one is freedom. And that's kind of the correlation between light and darkness, good and evil, et cetera. And so people accept that because we understand that. And so when I say, if we're in a spiritual war, I'll say, how do you bring light into a context and actually engage a deeper understanding of what the darkness is about or what, sorry, what the light is that needs to, to, to, to, you bring light. repel it, if you are in a framework that denies the existence of the source of light. Did I wreck your

camera there? No, you're good. Yeah, okay. So I actually kicked his camera there, so apologies to for that. But so that, so that's an important point. How do you, how do you dispel darkness if you're in a framework that denies the existence of the source of light? So if you're a libertarian, you know, libertarianism is ultimately framed in and based in humanism, which kind of brings, you know, man or man and women as the epicenter of the universe, denies the existence of God. So I'll say, we're in our, our finest political thinking has denied the function and existence of God in our country. And now we're in a total, am I allowed to swear on here? Sure. We're in a total shitstorm in our country.

because we don't have these conversations that evolve around the existing of a moral framework that emanates from God, who gives freedom. That's the epicenter of the Christian faith is freedom. So that's a consternation for the people's party because there's some Christians in there who are now suddenly going, huh, that's true. How do we do this if this is about light and darkness? We are in a spiritual war, and we've got a party that actually doesn't exist, doesn't recognize or respect the spiritual source of light. It's a problem. When you say the PPC doesn't respect the spiritual source of light or darkness, what do you mean specifically?

I mean, recognize that if you, if the framework, philosophical framework of your party is humanism, which denies the existence of God, right? That's what humanism is. It denies the existence of God. And that's what libertarianism is framed upon. How do you then begin to engage this concept of darkness that emanates from a malevolent force that's evil? How do you deal with that? I don't know if you've had this conversation. Have you asked Maxine about it?

I have. I actually have. talk to Maxine about this. And we, when we actually met two weeks ago in Manitoba with some other leaders of other parties that would kind of resonate with this message. And, you know, I brought this up. And when I brought it up, you know, it was brought up in the context of people suggesting that the PPC needs to engage a policy on abortion.

okay and to me that I mean while I think that's a good discussion and something that Canada needs to have and probably we need to have a very close look at that in terms of an abortion policy that confounded me philosophically because how do you how do you have a discussion as a libertarian a lot of people in the PPC started the PPC because the battle cry was freedom without with you know very limited restraint And certainly abortion would have been one of those values that they would have seen as a policy that they did not want because it would have been a restraint to their freedom, you know, in terms of dealing with an unwanted embryo. So my question was, well, how do you put in, how do you install an abortion policy into a party that is actually libertarian? and libertarian and kind of is built upon this framework of absolute freedom. And I think Maxine Bernier is a lovely guy.

He's a really friendly, warm, nice human being, very likable. But I didn't get an answer from him that made me feel that there was clarity in relation to how he reconciled an abortion policy with libertarian thought. because what will happen is that anybody who is interested in abortion policy is going to look and say, hmm, how do we believe politically if we vote for the PPC that an abortion policy like that is ever going to have traction inside the party? I mean, the Conservative Party has a narrative on that, but they won't advance any narrative about abortion, right? So they'll allow the social conservatives to say, we want a position on abortion, but they never do. anything about it. In fact, Pierre Poliyev would say we're not going to advance a policy on abortion

inside the Conservative Party because it messes with the algorithm of power. Okay. So if you go back to the PPC, it's not about it's not about becoming prime minister. It's about reconciling this tension between a philosophical root system that says there is no God and we're ultimately free. and the only restrained on that freedom are those laws that enable us not to kill and harm our person or our property, basically. Everything else is probably about fair game, right? It's freedom.

So, you know, so when I asked that question, how do you, you can't just start to sell clever policy to the social conservatives out there because they're going to perceive that the root system doesn't jive. Like that leaf doesn't fit on this tree. tree. You see what I mean?

Yeah, I see what you see. So, and it's just like saying, well, okay, the PPC, well, we want to connect to more of the social conservative voters out there. Well, you can't just bolt God onto a party that denies the existence of God, right? Like, people who believe in God are going to properly perceive that, right? So, you know, God can't be a moniker for branding or some clever marketing tool to bring people away from the conservative party. those leaves are going to go back to the tree that actually acknowledges that there's the existence of God

and that he is not an indifferent bystander in this nation. I'm not talking about a Christian party. I'm just talking about a framework that holds up values. That we all can get behind. And that's the essence and the beauty of Jordan Peterson's thought, is that whether he believes in God or not, he recognizes the validity of that value system for building a nation. And this is the root of our problem in Canada,

is that we've messed God up with the strength of the values that emanate from God. Say it one more time. This is the problem in our nation. We've messed up our emotional response to God because of all the things that have happened badly with the strength of the value systems that emanate from God that have built the nation. So that's what I say.

It's about you may or may not believe in God, but the framework that comes from the Judeo-Christian, moral, civic order that built this nation has worked. It's built our nation. It's part of the prosperity and security of this nation. And let's not get confused about your freedom to reject God. That is the, that's the bottom line. That's why you read ultimate.

Ultimately, that's one of the pieces of why you were reading Jordan Peterson. Because that made sense. And if I need to think of a better analogy, but imagine you're going to fight Mike Tyson. I mean, that's a tall order to begin with. Now imagine you got one arm tie behind your back. Like, you ain't winning. And one of the things that when it comes to acknowledging that, you know, there's a spiritual... That's like David and Goliath, right?

Spiritual side to this thing. Yeah. It's getting your other hand back, maybe even more than that. Because there's things going on right now, and you just go, I've had this conversation way too many times, Grant. I just don't get it. I'm like, that's because you got to, you got to free your mind a little bit here. And by, you know, in the Matrix, you know, that's a little different. But what I mean is if you realize there's more at play than just me and Grant sitting across from each other with everything going on,

this is the acknowledgement of good and evil. you'll start to see that oh well look it's just it's just playing out and once you start to see it things actually come into focus you know it was mccullough and who wrote his book folks somebody's going to be screaming at the radio when they came on and the author was just like Sean when you realize this is criminal your mind set will change on why this doesn't make sense right okay fair enough what we're talking about here over and over again is like, if you believe or don't believe, blah, da, da, da, da. Well, I'll tell you right now, they believe it.

On the other side, they certainly believe in a whole lot of things. And it plays out through the airwaves or whatever you want. And I just go like, it's spiritual warfare. Like, it's just, it's so blatantly obvious. And to get to that point, you just have to go, okay, there's more at play here than just me and Grant sitting and having a conversation and what's happening with society as a whole. They are removing the light. They are removing this thing that disseminates the power structure that we have.

They're removing that all. And what comes in place of that, the state? Sure. And the state becomes the omnipresent thing. That is truth. That is truth. And I think that this is why I'm here having this conversation, because I'm saying to the country,

God is not an indifferent bystander, and he doesn't need a majority of people to show up to actually have a context created where truth can be spoken or light can be shone. And this is a clarion call to Canadians who understand this light and who need to think more deeply and show up rather than being enticed and deceived

by these petty little arguments like splitting the vote. And for me, it's a case of providing Canada with an opportunity to steward their light. And I definitely think your analysis is right. If we want to talk about this as globalism, or we want to talk about it as darkness that denies and defies the value of the individual and as the individual Canadian, They don't, they want to hope that people aren't listening to this conversation because we're into the really pith and marrow of what is the pulse in Canada in terms of our political discussion. There are people that know that there's something radically wrong. They understand it's a spiritual war.

They are thinking deeply about the values. They're not being sucked in by the price of groceries, although they feel it and it hurts. And they're making decisions about what things they can't do because they're feeding their kids. And we should be an incredibly wealthy nation where we're not even thinking about stuff like that. In fact, we're giving food away. But that is our lot right now. And if we get distracted by what I call the dark tinsel in terms of what the real issues are here in the country, then we are going to see ourselves losing this country.

But if we actually dig a lot deeper and look into the heart of these matters, we'll see that we're being offered bud light beer by a party. that wants to attain power that isn't having the real conversations. And I'm calling for Canadians to have the courage to take an extra 10 minutes to look into this bowl, this punch bowl, and actually discern what is going on and kind of in the deeper, in the depths of it. Because that's exactly what you and I are talking about, right?

And I do have hope. I believe we need to show up. We need to bring our voices because a lot of people believe this. A lot of people are resonating with this. We're not an isolated island in terms of this thought. This is common to so many Canadians, but we're told that it's not. And then we buy into the lie that we really aren't supposed to talk about this stuff because we've been groomed, and I'll use that word, groomed into dividing the secular from the sacred.

So we don't talk about the values that are sacred to us, even though nearly 70% of Canadians recognize that there's a God. But we can't have those conversations because we've been tricked into not having them because good Canadians don't talk about their sacred views in the public space, the secular space. Meanwhile, the whole country for the last 50 years has been shaped into our distorted understanding that we're seeing of ourselves right now by a secular agenda that denies the existence of God or a moral framework that built this nation. And so that's happened for 40 or 50 years. We're all, we all feel uncomfortable talking about God in terms of the public space. And now, um, I don't know. My

wife says I got to stop preaching so much. Okay. I'm like, you know, I think about this. Last summer, last summer had Drew Weatherhead in. Yeah. And I asked him, this uncomfortable, I already told you about Ruben Mays. So that's like three years ago. Ruben May says, I just want to say, I believe in God. And I'm like, I'm so fast.

I'm like, do I edit that out? I was kind of weird. Yeah. And then I had my best friend at the time say to me, oh man, it might be time for God. And I'm thinking like, what? Then it goes by almost a year. I have Drew Weatherhead on.

It's the first person I think folks that I went, do you believe in God? And he was so taken back. He kind of, ah, yeah. And then, you know, and you fast forward. And I go, I'm not saying I'm, I represent all of society, just a small portion. And that portion has been talking about it a lot.

And there has been people coming back to it in droves because they go, something is way, way, way off. And we need to start talking about this. And in my own life, when I first started talking this podcast, and I'm happy I named it my name, I say that lots, because if I named it something else, maybe I wouldn't be able to go wherever I want to go. But it's my name. You can just get mad at me.

It's fine. But I'm going to go here. and when I first thought of a sports show, what's the things you don't talk about on sports radio? Politics and religion. I'm across both of those bridges, and it has been uncomfortable water. Except I go, we got to, in the public sphere,

the public square, just in a simple conversation, we got to talk about what really matters here. Yeah. We don't talk about what really matters. Pretty soon we're going to be, you know, like we're going to be another 10, 20 years into this. And it'll go by in a blink of an eye.

I know it will and we'll be like, how did we get here? Well, we aren't talking about anything. We're literally, we're literally on to the next Netflix show. And I got nothing against Netflix. I have days where I'm like, let's just watch some office and just like laugh a little and decompress. Because there's a lot of, you know, a lot of heavy. But I mean, you can't live your life in the box. We have an opportunity now to course correct.

Now is the time to do this. I'm not convinced there's 20 years left in this. when I see how quickly the advancement is of this concept of a post-nation state where we're actually, our governance is moved away from a democratic process. So I think you're right. I think 20 years from now,

if we're looking back at this and we don't respond appropriately, we may be very, very, very unhappy. Well, then let me ask you, and I hope I'm not pushing you out here because if you got other things on the top of your mind, but the one question, and I'm going to give a shout to Crude Master. Crude Master, final question here.

They've been supporters of the podcast since the very, very beginning, is if people are like resonating with your message grant, how do they help? Or how do they start to learn more about you? How do they find where you're talking? How do they, you know, find out about the United Party of Canada? Like all these different things. Where can you ship them or what can you say to them if they're like, you know what, some of this makes sense.

What can I do? Right now, yes. So right now we are in the final stages of having approval for the United Party of Canada. When we chose that name and after we chose that name, we recognized that there was an iteration, if you will, a former version of the United Party of Canada that was set up about 10 or 15 years ago. in Ontario federally. I never did anything and never ran an election, but there's some internet residue out there. So if you go looking for the United Party of Canada right now,

you may bump into an old webpage from that former version of it. You can find information on me under Canada Promises, Canada's Promise.org, I believe it is. Forgive me if I've got that ending wrong, it might be.com. All you've got to do is search Grant Abraham and it comes up. It comes up. Those things come up. So search Grant Abraham, you'll find it.

You'll find the book. If you look a little deeper, you'll find some of my articles on post-nationalism that are published on the Epoch Times and other things. And you'll see some of the updates and shorts that I've had put out on Instagram or Facebook or whatever. So we're at the point of waiting for this. verification of eligibility to run as a federal party, and we're kind of doing the homework that we need to do in terms of policy and constitution, and starting to put together some of the pieces that we know will be necessary to engage this discussion in a federal election. So I'm inviting the conversation. Every time I show up and talk somewhere about the book or about the state of our country or this value issue or what we need. to do politically to course correct this.

I have an open mic and we have these conversations and it's a definitely learning opportunity. There's definitely energy in some of those conversations, but we're actually seeing Canadians come along and answer for the individuals that ask the questions. The ones that are really looking and they ask the questions that you're asking, we have those open mic conversations in halls or. buildings or hotels or whatever the conference rooms are that we're in across the country and we're having them and um this is where this is where i think the rubber meets the road in terms of canadian is actually coming to the realization that they have a light to steward and that we need to

engage us we can't we cannot um we cannot just continue doing the same thing that we've always done playing golf going to cost go watching netflix and not and only you know just vote blue Because the value issue is parked in a cul-de-sac and the conservative party is taking us over a cliff edge just slightly slower than the liberals. How else can you explain not having all these discussions? You know? Because they...

This is where I come back to the analytics of politics. What I see is they just look at it like, oh, people believe whatever. It doesn't matter, climate change. They believe we need to get to net zero. Sure. And then... And then...

But the thing is, has there actually been any discussion on it? Have we opened up? There hasn't. But then we believe... What we do is that we don't bring our values to interrogate what we're seeing. Because look what happened in the U.S. in 2016. Everyone was looking at the polls. Oh, you know, those numbers.

Trump's going to lose. Trump's going to lose. Trump's going to lose. Suddenly... Trump wins. The people show up. They showed us. and they rocked the algorithms and the system.

So you think, if I may, that over it, you get the United Party of Canada up and running. And then you just start going on podcasts and show, because, I mean, we both know the CBC or whoever ain't going to touch it. Well, and even that they did, they're going to construe it in a way that, you know, I can just imagine. Well, I might not touch them. Fair.

Right. But by going around and having this message talked about, over and over again, you think there is a groundswell there that can come and support the United Party of Canada. I'm going to give that ground swell a chance because we have a swamp in Canada and it does need drained. So it's up to the people to show up and that's all that I can do. That's all the like-minded people that are forming this party can do is provide an offering.

and if we are in such a zombie state in this nation where we can't discern that we're being led over a cliff, then they will have a chance to respond. But these conversations are going to happen. There is going to be truth reestablished. There is going to be justice that flows from truth. And there is going to be a fixing of the crookedness in our country. Or at least we're going to have the opportunity to have those conversations. And if Canadians can't discern.

or don't care enough, then we deserve what we get. Fair. Well, I appreciate you coming in today and doing this as, well, I don't know. I can speak for myself. It's been more enjoyable to have you across for me, share a coffee and sit and have a chat through a screen, not the first conversation was bad by any stretch of the imagination. No, no, I do. I hope people pick up a copy of your book and engage because I think there's a whole lot to the conversation

that, you know, I certainly hope I added to, but there's a lot of smart people out there that have been putting their mind to some of the problems we've talked about and then some, and engaging with them, you know, that's what a whole chunk of the population wants. They just want some engagement. They want to know that their voice has some meaning

because right now, you know, as we saw through COVID, none of the politicians would engage with anything until they couldn't, you know, until the trucker convoy just, forced it on. You're going to engage with us, you know, and now we're seeing it with all the the court and, you know, and on and on and on. But either way, I appreciate you coming and doing this in person. Well, if you hear me talking about Bud Light and the political framework, you know I'm thinking of you. Fair enough. Well, thanks again for coming in.

Yeah. Thank you. To the listener, thanks for tuning in today. We're closing in here on the end of the year, and we've been chasing. So Grant's sitting beside me as I do the little end spill, and obviously if he wants to toss in a couple words, he most certainly can. But we've been plowing towards a million downloads for the podcast in 2023.

When I first started folks in 2019, we got 26,000. So you can see the progression. And I don't normally set a numerical value target, but after last year and having, you know, I forget what it was, 600,000 rough, Just no social media. We're talking strictly about if you tune in on Spotify, Apple, the podcast. It shows up now as, you know, it used to be a download.

Now they've changed the terminology, but I'm stuck in that word. And so we, at the start of the year, I wrote down the goal, man, can you imagine if we got, we got a million total last year? And I thought, what if I got a million in a year? And so right now where we sit, you know, with a little over a month left to go, is just, 100,000 left, roughly. And so when you do out the math, you go, it's going to be freaking close. I show will be 6,000 short.

And so I'm pushing on the audience grant that if you enjoyed today's conversation, that you share it. We're trying to remove it from Twitter, Facebook, places like that, which I know some people tune into, but for the month of December and here while we sit in November, we're going to try and push it just to these platforms so that we can try and meet the goal. because I've never wanted a goal so much.

And, you know, I just, I actually have a hard time fathoming it that we're closing it on 900,000 for the year. But if you can help, you enjoyed the conversation, you're still listening at close to two hours. We love it if you'd share and push it out because the more people, you know, when we're sitting there 6,000 away, you know, out of a million, you're like, that's nothing. So let's just get it done with and pass this before we ever get close. and we've got some interesting people coming on in December that are certainly going to help us push towards that. But to the audience, if you enjoyed today's conversation, I hope you'll share it and push it out there for us

so we can get to that one million. Yeah, well, Sean, I'd like to thank you because this is a place, this is a room where the truth can be given oxygen, and we need truth tellers in the country more than ever. So thank you for what you do. I appreciate that. Thanks.