Shaun Newman Podcast - #542 - Wayne Peters

Episode Date: December 2, 2023

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petroleum dot c a he's the host of what's up canada and the mind behind looking glass media that brings together independent media channels i'm talking about wayne peters so buckle up here we go welcome to the sean newman podcast today i'm joined by wayne peters so wayne good to have you back aboard it's been a minute yeah it's always a fun watching your head explode when we talk about some different things. So yeah, I'll like to talk to you. Well, it's funny you know, for the audience, you know, I'll quickly do

the, the, the, the quick summary of how I stumbled in the Wayne, but, you know, like back in the middle of COVID, when I was trying to find, you know, not only just guess, but information from a Canadian perspective, um, the only guy I could find was Wayne. Like I, I just couldn't

find, um, others doing it. And certainly now there's a lot doing it. You know, I just had Trish Wood on the show. last week. And now it seems like Canada is definitely on fire a little bit when it comes to talking to different people and having different people come up. And, you know, you got Tucker Carlson coming to Alberta now and on and on it goes. But back in the middle of COVID days, there wasn't a whole lot out there to find Canadians talking to Canadians. And, you know, with your show, What's Up Canada, you'd had on all these lovely people.

And I sat and I like listened to it. And I'm like, I got to get these people on. And, you know, in the dark days of COVID, Danny Hozak was like, oh, you got to talk to Wayne. And I'm like, sure, who is that? And then, you know, you piece it together. And now, you know, we've certainly had you on this side a few different times. And you've been on the stage at, you know, the legacy media. I was just talking to a guy about it actually from Bonneville who had driven up to Emmington to watch it.

And that was fascinating. And so for the podcast listener, if you want to be a podcast listener, if you want to be a lot of, to figure out a little bit more about Wayne, just search it in and you'll find them on the show multiple, multiple times. And I don't know, it's glad to have you back aboard, Wayne, because I look forward to our chats and you're not wrong. Every time you come on here, I think I've got a handle of some of the things. And you're, I don't know, is it six months ahead of me? Is it 10 years ahead of me? Whatever it is, I don't know. And I've been trying to get you on, I guess, to talk about the CRTC thing. November 28th, seems like it's a big day. What is Wayne?

think of all that. Well, I'm, you know, as much as I'm out there occupying the same space, I tend to think I'm still a little bit of an anomaly because I don't do any of this with any kind of pattern or business model or strategy. I tend to people think maybe I have OCD

because, you know, I'm always chasing after something else without paying attention to other things. but that's by design, by intent, actually. And so that kind of leads me into places where when I see a gap or avoid in information, knowledge, discussion, that's where I want to go. And that's kind of what started me with the doctor talks back in April of 2021, was because there was no discussion. And I'd seen a couple of doctors in Ontario trying to start discussion,

and that kind of started the ball rolling. But that's kind of my nature. my platform is very helter, skelter, because I'm always looking to fill the gaps in different kinds of information. So when it comes to how far I might be ahead of you, that totally depends on the subject matter. But one of the convergences of it all is, you know, the CRTC. And just before we went on, you know, I was kind of using the analogy that it's kind of like the CRTC is kind of like the paramedics for the feds trying to do triage on the.

the gash of information and the flood, the bleeding out of truth and knowledge to the people. It just seems to be one act after another, Bill C-10, C-11, C-18. All of these things continue to keep compounding. And it's really more like a tourniquet to stop the bleeding of truth. And organizations only do that on behalf of companies that are absolutely corrupted, my opinion.

but that is just my opinion, but here we are. Yeah, well, it's, you know, when you put it that way, you know, you're like, oh, they want to stop the flow of truth. You know, I chuckle about that. It's like, yeah, you're probably right. They're probably like, how the heck do we close this off so that we don't have all this information just spewing out? And in your mind, you know, when you hear the CRTC, I've had multiple different discussions. You know, one of the ladies that you were on stage with in Eminton, Chris Sims, of me have talked about it at length, and she's like, people need to stare at this for what it is.

Like, this is the beginning of the end kind of thing. And I've had other discussions with others, ah, it's not that big a deal. What's the big deal? There's no big deal whatsoever. Where does Wayne come out on it? You know, a big part of what I do, because I'm all over the place, is because I am literally all over the place, talking with people in other countries, other continents, probably at least 50% of my time. And they see what's going on here in Canada. And they completely recognize it for what it is because most of those countries have a part of their history that involves very much similar things that we're heading down the path of. And you talk to people that have come from, you know, hard communist nations or hard Islamic

nations and they see the trajectory that we're on. And by the way, there really is only the three basic different types of governing ideologies out there. is it's either communism, Islamic, you know, Muslim or Christian nations. And so we're seeing these people that have lived the other two watching it happening here at light speed. And when I talk to journalists, even expatriate Canadian journalists, they're having now living abroad and reporting from abroad, they would fear more for their lives.

being a journalist in Canada, than they do covering the Donbos in the Ukraine, for example. This is the real world lenses that outside of Canada are looking at us. You're saying people who are from Canada who have gone abroad, left the country, are a journalist, just covering things, reporting what they believe is truth or what have you, are telling you that they would fear to be in our shoes right now. Correct. 100% correct. There's a lady named Eva Bartlett.

You can search her out. She was basically the one that uncovered the fraud of the sarin gas attacks. But in Syria, that turned out to be false information red flag events so that they could unseed and topple another government. She was a Canadian journalist. And she did an interview here a couple of months ago for a European audit, and she was posed. exactly that question because she's been doing a lot of humanitarian coverage in Donetsk, Donbass region of the Ukraine, whether she was afraid for her life because she was on Zelensky's kill list, by the way, which I've had two friends that I know have been terminated off of that

kill list. But the fact that she was on that list and asked that question and said she was more afraid, would be more afraid if she was a journalist in Canada than she would there. And I don't necessarily believe that she's speaking 100% for fear of her life. But the, and I mean, think about this, really, Sean, if we don't stop this, what possibility of existence in the future do we have? Do we possess having identified ourselves as a conservative or common sense, not insane, not of the board? Once we've established that, if they win, there will be no tolerance for those kinds of

people in the new Canada of the post nation state of the United Nations. It just won't be possible. So the future is, I believe, definitely in jeopardy for, for journalists that are willing to go to the places that they're not supposed to. Well, Wayne. That didn't take long, did it, Sean? Well, no, I just, I hear it, and I'm like, huh, you know, do you think, I don't know, Let's try and take your example of this lady and she's on a kill list and she's gone,

I'd be more terrified of Zincana. I go, I don't think I'm on any kill list. I don't know. Dwayne, do you feel like you're on any kill list? No, this is where Stefan Molano, quite outspoken theologist, was canceled in the digital space. And he, one of the last speeches I've been able to find of him recorded was him articulating that the genocide in the digital space is the test run precursor to the genocide of reality. And if people won't notice you're gone from the digital space, who's going to notice you've gone from reality? And I think this is where the CRTC and this entity that has captured our country is exactly working towards that.

Because right now, when I talk to intelligence specialists at all different levels of military command and government officials around the world, they don't care about Canada anymore. Our government has shamed Canada so badly around the world that once Trudeau finally shuts that last little whisp, of Canadian voice out of the rest of the world, nobody will hear Canadians scream. We will be the most silenced nation, except only perhaps by North Korea and China. This is where we are on the cusp of, and the few people that do maybe hear our voices are going to have far bigger priorities and won't give two hoots about Canada, and nobody will hear Canadian scream. That's what the CRTC is facilitating and enabling.

right now on at the behest of our government which is doing all of this uh uh to be remain in compliance with the u n sda when you look at uh november 28 then what uh what do you like what do you see happening i mean by the time this airs it'll be past the 28th do you see any big sweeping changes or you like no i'll take it's going to take a little bit of time but this is where you know i think you i think you told me you know when i first started started texting you about, you know, coming on to talk about this, you're like, ah, yeah, that's just step one of many steps. And you are looking down the pipe.

And if there's one thing that I think I've really admired and appreciated of our conversations is you have been looking ahead on what's to come in, you know, not only just the months, but maybe years and where this is leading us towards. Like when you say, I don't know, in general, the 20th, while we record this is tomorrow. Where are you at with everything when it comes to the deadline? And where does that lead us towards? So, no, I have kind of two different lenses that I see things through.

And one of them is I don't care what they're going to do. Adapt, improvise, and overcome. Insanity is unsustainable regardless of what they do. It will collapse and it will. die at some point, whether it's today, tomorrow, next week, down the road. So whatever they do tomorrow does not alter my perception of where I see us going down the road. So although that sounds a little bit cynical, it's not. It's really embracing Buckminster Fuller in saying you don't create change by trying to fight what exists. You create real change by leaving that alone,

watching it die and recreating something that makes it irrelevant. Right. So that's where my lens is is is is kind of at that these guys in the positions of authority uh I won't really say control because they they're not in control of anything they are pupplets puppets bang and around on the end of very herky jerky strings right now and as you know we focus on these kinds of things what are they doing you know I'm not going to live in fear moving forward from anything that is tyrannical captured organizations or any extension thereof is going to throw it as I will smile and say is that the best you got you know and and keep moving forward so that's kind of my lens on that

and at the same time it's because I see what's happening with through the other eye around the rest of the world that you know is ultimately going to be the end of our cabal control here in Canada far quicker than what we're doing. What we're doing in the grand scheme of things in the world is so minuscule and irrelevant that our own egos get in the way. We think we're saving Canada and we're going to stock the cabal. Well, no, sorry, guys, it all matters and everything that we do is important, but the cabal is going to actually be stopped by the tidal shift of the away from this unipot

polar one world government back to a multipolar nationalistic world that is happening so fast around Canada. And we're so myopically focused on what Lord Farquot's spanky socks is doing that we aren't seeing what's happening outside of the world. You know, we look at our legacy media, our heritage media, whatever you want to call it, that is controlled by the CRTC mandating their version of content. above all else a certain percentage of Canadian stuff that they have to verify as Canadian. It doesn't matter if we're Canadian.

No, no, no, it's not Canadian enough for the CRTC to be allowed. So this is all that we are hearing about. But at the end of the day, we look at what they're programming, what they're telling us. Ukraine is winning. Putin is dying. But that is so far from reality that we can't even begin to grasp. people can't fathom. In the war against Russia, for example,

there is only 28 nations that are taking part in sanctions against Russia. 28 out of 193. There's 140-some nations getting involved in bricks. Who do you think the world is going to stand with tomorrow, not today? Right. So this facade of the West continuing its domination of right and wrong as they see it in the world, everything they've done for the last 50 years under this military industrial complex is coming apart.

The world is tired of it. They are done with it. They are so over our woke hegemony over the world and control. And the only reason they've been able to do that is because of the control of money and oil. And that is disappearing with bricks. Whether we like it or not, the financial collapse is coming. It is around the corner. the housing bubble of 2008 when it comes apart is going to make going to seem like a picnic for what we are heading into.

And again, that has nothing to do with us. This has all to do with global influences and our government's response to it. Our government's response to it is, print more money and pretend it isn't happening. It's going to crash. This is why the panicked attempt at controlling the discussion and the narrative, they're going to get even more diabolical and all of these things they're just I used to say that history repeats but I kind of had to change that it doesn't exactly repeat but it sure does sing in symphony it doesn't repeat because technology advances and evolves every time you know we go through a major world evolution or growing pain it's based in a large part on the evolution of technologies that one side or the other seeks to take advantage of or leverage to gain more power, more money, more land, more resources, da-da-da-da-da-da-da, whatever the case might be.

For the last 100 years, it's basically been oil and energy and money and those kinds of things. So as we're seeing the world unipolar, one-world government collapse, what we're actually seeing is all of the other gang bosses, syndicate lords and all of these other countries, scrapping to redefine their territories, their turfs, how they're going to do business with each other. They're making new friends because the big, bad bully, can't get up an airplane ladder when you're talking about Canadians not paying attention to the rest of the world. Are you talking about like, well, I mean, you broke it down with bricks quite nice,

but also just in the fact that Argentina, you know, elected somebody that they said would never be elected and got elected. I mean, there's been more and more of that happening, Netherlands. Forgive me, is it Italy or is it Greece? George Maloney in Italy. Italy. One by one, Sri Lanka before that. You know, this is one by one by one by one. And we're seeing when we look at what our relationship with India in the last six months,

I believe that's also intentional by design. Trudeau is absolutely torpedoing that. Why? Because he does not want the largest English-speaking community, a nation on the planet, hearing us scream anymore either. So intentionally ruin relations with India. And now India is doing more business with China and Russia. than they are with the West.

China is now the one is now the second or the largest trading currency on the planet, no longer the U.S. dollar. All of these things, they intentionally don't want us knowing and seeing. So hence the never-ending political theater in crisis in Canada, because if the fire is burning right here, we don't see what's going on behind it. And that's why the CRATC, there's more we see. Oh, wait a minute, there's a tidal we've coming. you know hang on we we might want to you know forget pierre's apple and see this going on over here

comes to another CRTC rule another uh uh you know censorship law um and in nobody else nobody wants to play with Trudeau on that so what is how what happens facebook google why does anybody think for a second that we are going to be any that anybody is going to hear us any more than we hear north koreans and this is going to happen As they get more desperate, they're going to take more of these steps. I mean, you look at right now. Sorry, Wayne. You think between here and election, essentially, right?

2025, more and more sanctions are going to be put on or whatever. Rules, laws, spill seas, whatever, are going to be put in place to limit the ability for people to access information or conversations like this. 100%. 100%. I would expect more attempts at lockdowns. I would expect more attempts at separating us. He got away with declaring a national emergency and basically putting 37 million people under house arrest, seizing their bank accounts over bouncy castles. Now he's running around and clutching his pearls because somebody brought up the idea of, oh, let's have a pipe bomb scare. And, you know, they are looking. at every possible panic situation that they can create immediately trying to turn the New York

incident into a terrorist attack. Now, there's assaults on politicians. This is an exercise in stumbling, feeble panic that is only going to, I think, accelerate as fast as possible because there is no saving a legitimate political campaign or party for the liberal government, none whatsoever. We know that. If we're going to play by the political charade, there is no future for Trudeau or perhaps even the liberal party if we get to another legitimate election. And there is nothing in the world that will stop a tyrant when they are intent on remaining in power. Perfect case and point. People call Ukraine a democracy, yet they banned 18

political parties. All religious organizations and pastors have basically been arrested. Elections have been put on hold. Why does anybody think for a second that Trudeau would not stoop to any and all of those measures if he felt he could get away with it? Do you think he can get away with it?

That depends on us. Like, I hear you, and I'm thinking about where I'm at, this particular moment in time and going, I just don't think the population is going to let it happen. But maybe I'm dumb for thinking that, Wayne. You know, I don't think you're dumb, Sean. I don't think any of us are dumb.

I just don't think that we have yet been able to fully fathom and understand the depths and the connectivity of the apparatus that is waging against us. and I mean we have come light years in the last two years I'm more optimistic now than I was a year ago or the year before that even though what I see piling up against us right now is far greater than what I saw a year ago or two years ago but you can't fix what you can't see what can't we see well we we can't see the majority of the the things that are influencing the future and direction of our country, mostly because of the media and the CRTC, which is under the thumb of the government. In my opinion, for all of the things going on out there,

legacy media and the control over the narrative is the single biggest existential threats to our society, to our nations, and perhaps even to the world. We are literally on running the risk of meddling our way into Armageddon and the end of the world, all under the auspices and control of the narrative and the discussion controlled by media. Here in Canada, I would say we're at the lowest numbers in the history of legacy media watching legacy media.

Are we not? Absolutely. But I'm also at the lowest numbers of reach that I'm able to reach in the history of my organization as well. I used to be able to get 3 million views on a video three years ago. Now if I get 30, if I'm allowed 30 to attend a live stream. Hmm. I, that's an interesting thought, Wayne. You have a point there with reach across the Internet,

because that's one thing that I've noticed. When you're screaming underwater, does anybody hear you? Yeah. Right. Hmm. Yeah, it doesn't mean we're working, we're not working harder. We're working harder. We're going out across more platforms.

Our content is getting better. Our guests are better. We've got world-class guests and interviews. There is no reason we shouldn't be turning six, seven, eight-digit viewers. Perfect case and point. Viva Frye, relocating to an open air environment. environment, he's got millions of viewers. You know, we, we, we're just not getting out there.

When we think we are, we're fighting as hard as we can. We're, we're dog paddling as hard as we can. But fewer and fewer and fewer people are seeing us. And that kind of works hand in hand with the, uh, the, them, you know, slowly sliding the lid over the pot. And real soon, nobody's going to hear of Canadian screaming at all. Do you think then, I don't know, I'll put it, I'll put it to you a different way, okay? This is, this is, as far as social media, different things like that, when you talk about less and less views, that has been really interesting to me at times of like what gets out, what they allow to get out almost, and what just stays like, I'm like, man, that was, that was, that was really interesting.

Why is nobody seeing this? Like why? I mean, we both, I think, know why. But regardless, from my podcast standpoint, Wayne, I've been talking about this a lot because we're chasing one million downloads for the year of 2023. And where I started out, when I first started the podcast, I had 26,000. And so that was year one. And so every year it's gotten bigger and bigger. And this year is no different.

Now, what I like about that is that is not views. that is people actually searching out the podcast, right? Like, you just don't stumble onto the podcast. And for the listener and for Wayne, we're not taking, when we release the podcast, the full episode on Twitter, if it gets 10,000, we're not taking those numbers

and adding it into this million. The million is literally, if you went on Spotify, Apple, or, you know, you get the podcast platforms. And from my side, we're going to be, we're going to be close, Wayne. We're going to be close to a million downloads. We're scrappy as all hell on this side.

And we're getting close. We're under 100,000 as it sits today with a month to go. And you're like, we're going to be frigging close. And I look at it from, I look at it, I guess, in a different lens. And I'm curious your thoughts on this. I look at it and I go, 74, 75% of my downloads come from Alberta and Saskatchew. I go, well, there's only a population of 5.4 million, roughly. I mean, maybe I'm a little off on that, but you get the point.

And when I look at Viva Fry going to Florida, although I agree with like our the algorithms not shutting us down in different things when you go to the states 110 percent but the population is like x times x plus some and then x that where Canada we're just so we're such a small little um area you know like i so i look at the growth of what i've been doing on this side and i go are they making it tougher to find me certainly like absolutely and yet um we've been seeing growth it's just been slower than a guy would want you know like do you want to be up fast. And I listen to what you just said with millions of views and I'm like, maybe I'm, maybe Wayne's just laughing at me as I, as I say about all this.

Not at all. You know, I, I, exactly what you're, I see exactly the same thing. But when I start to question that as, okay, why is the growth so slow? And I look at it. And it's, you know, when I look at the numbers and the viewers that I am reaching, it's primarily people that have been, you know, following so long they, we are a part of their lives, they will go and seek us out. It's very hard to reach new community, new audience, new viewers. And that's where they hurt us and they hit us. We are going to maintain a certain amount of growth simply because as we get better, more and more drop off, it starts to separate, you know, create a separation between the more, you know, the more, the ones that have made

their bones per se you know the ones that I've got you know extension and and better guests that's I mean that's a natural evolution but where you know what where when I look at okay why am I my guests are 10 times better than they were three years ago and I could get 300,000 views three years ago with nothing and no guests no no value really to a show versus now when the numbers should be exactly flipped. And so there's more to it than yes. And I think that's part of this thing that we get sucked into this.

I don't want to say complacency, but maybe we're not seeing how impactful this actually has been on us. Well, I mean, in one breath, I go, well, three years ago, I said it right at the start. the only guy I could find in all of Canada, if I searched out Canada, was Wayne Peters. Now, I'm not saying you're the only one. I'm just saying when I looked,

the only person I could find was Wayne Peters. And it might shock people, or maybe it won't, I don't know, shocks me. The place I found you, surprised me. It was YouTube. Because, you know, like, I've since been, you know, like, now we put stuff on YouTube, but it's like, it's, why?

It's such an annoying platform. You go, like, when I think out what the CRTC or any of these, you know, these organizations, are going to slowly do is just like it's just going to slowly make it ridiculously tough to find us all and i go if you stay on the the the path that we're on wayne that's an inevitability i would almost argue like it's just going to slowly you know remove and remove twitter has been uh you know has been an anomaly if you would because what happened was twitter like you now you just go back to the twitter files you

go back to all these things, you go listen to when they talk to Zuckerberg, and you realize, like, holy crap, they were just suddenly making it hard to find any of this. And they removed a whole bunch off of Twitter and all these different things. So if you keep on the same tracks that we're on, chances are you're going to be hard to find because you're talking a language they don't want you to talk. And so in the future, that is going to make you, people are going to have to search you up. One of the things that I understood, you know, pretty early on in this, because that was kind of back. And the other, sorry, and the other thought I was going to say, Wayne, sorry, with your 300,000 views or what have you, I just go today, although there's not a hundred of us

in Canada, maybe there is, I don't know, you know, it feels like the level of podcasts has increased exponentially so that you can find information and like top tier guess across all of North America used to be there was only like you know maybe Rogan would have one or two on but he at the time wasn't doing it like Joe Rogan at the time wasn't doing it Wayne Peters was well you know when so that doctor talks thing when I first broke out with the doctors that was an anomaly there was nobody else doing that there was other people doing podcasting podcasting podcasting in Canada was just from, I guess, more of the conservative tenure, I guess. It was in its infancy.

It was in its infancy. Yes, it was. And you're not to take anything away from anybody. That was just, you know, what I ended up ultimately picking the mantle up of and running with for a large period of time. But what ultimately ended up happening was that was where they really started to realize, I think, that they had a problem. So when I, and I did this a few months ago, I went and I kind of took a tally of the viewership that had been taken away from me from the platforms that had been removed, the followers and da-da-da-da-da.

They took away from me that I've never been able to get back. I still haven't got back my original Twitter account. And I've never been able to rebuild. I've gone back to YouTube. I've started another channel. instead of 100,000 followers, I got 140 and they won't let me grow. So they allow me to be on these platforms still, but they still don't allow me to reach within those platforms, shall we say.

So for me, early on, I went realizing that the only place, the only piece of digital real estate that we actually own is our own websites. If we try to build something that is dependent on any, any of these other platforms that are controlled or run out of Silicon Valley, we don't own Jack Squat. We will never be safe from them going plunk and you're done at any moment of their choosing. That doesn't mean they still can't make my website hard to find or hard to access, but they'll never take the information from my site. And it took a lot of work to learn how to build and secure that stuff outside of their system. So these are the things that ultimately make us all better that we have to learn and evolve with. We're going to be in this war.

We have better learned not to just be on the offensive, but to be on the defensive as well and protect ourselves. Because this is an information war that we are engaging in. We are warriors within it. We are the information soldiers in that super highway of the Weberverse. And this is the battlefront right now, whether we are. look at it that way or not is you know is is how i look at it uh because i'm tired of getting shot down um for doing what's right so building outside of the these platforms and systems to me i think it was a natural thing that uh we're starting to see more people doing and and and and recognizing that

and now it's gone just from bills c tan c-11 to the crtccc looking at to extend their overreach to methodologies that encompass everything. Why? Because it can't stop us. Yeah, well, and I agree with pretty much everything you just said there. Like, I mean, let's not kid ourselves. It's not going to, like, in five years' time, is it going to be harder? Like, if we were to just go, will it be easier or harder to find Wayne Peters?

My guess is harder. I don't think all of a sudden it's going to be easier. And you go across the platform, across the board, and that right there is very true across the board. It's interesting, you know, if you had kept on with What's Up Canada, where it became a consistent, because you mentioned about you being helter-skelter, kind of like sporadic on where you go. I'm curious if you think if I had kept consistency in it, would that have allowed some of that 100,000 Because, you know, like we're going, in one breath we go, the 100,000 people that have disappeared from you. I wish I could go in and tell YouTube not to run their business the way they are.

But that's, you know, because I was very, you know, I always, I always say this. I finally got to where I was having like, got like, I can't remember what it was. Like, for me, it was like 20 some thousand views on one of my interviews. I was like, oh my God, what the heck is happening? And then, you know, and all of a sudden the sanctions start. And then boom, it was like, as soon. as you saw, bang, and went away. And, you know, I watched guys like Fiva Frey and, and different guys like that do their little, like, little, maybe, before we talk about anything meaningful,

here's where we are and we're going to go over here, you know, and move everything over to rumble and different things like that. And very creative on how they, they did it. Do you look back and go like, man, if I just kept putting out content every single week as consistently as humanly possible, so people could still fall along with Wayne, do you think of, you, you to have a little bit different of a feeling today at all, Wayne? You know, it may sound funny, but I don't think that way. I don't lament that. I look at this differently again.

I look at what I do is literally guerrilla journalism. And if I'm losing on one front, then you have to go back to my roots. The only reason I got this way was because I worked like a whack-a-mole. bringing up and exposing, taking my information shots from different places, different points, different times, completely unexpected. And in order to maintain a consistency, what I've found is, you know, as we've evolved to having one of the most educated societies in our history, it's starting to, I'm starting to see, and I didn't want to fall.

into the trap of being just the the political commentator regurgitating the headlines the stories the news of the day um every single day uh there's enough people doing that i don't need to do that and that's what that's what when you want to if you want to get consistency and do a show every single day that's what you're going to end up doing because nobody can break new news every single day unless they've got a giant team of researchers, editorialists, writers, all of those things that

come to breaking new news. So it was like, okay, do I want to get that consistency and do what everybody else is doing? Or do I want to go back to again what I do best, which is say, hey, wait a minute, nobody's looking at this. Maybe I'll want to pay attention to this. And so

do more meaningful stuff and do a little bit. And give up that consistency. That consistency, absolutely. That would give me a lot of things. It would give me, you know, I've now got partners with my platform. It would give me the opportunity to generate revenue to get a life to do. It would open a lot of doors.

But those are things that you doing when you're looking at what you're doing as a business. You want to scale and you want to grow it. The only thing I ever wanted when I started all of this, Sean, was the bloody truth. That was it. So that's why it took me five years to even get to the point where, okay, I'm going to bring on some partners so that I can do what I do better, so I can be more free to do what I do better. And then it was a process of, you know, making sure that the partners were coming from the same mindset. And, you know, everything was in complete in alignment.

If it wasn't 110% in alignment, I don't want to be a part of it. I am not interested in business models. I intended to create a space that when the tower of media babble fell, that there wouldn't just be a giant vacuum, there would be a place in What's up Canada to fill that void. And that is only going to happen if it's, if my number one priority cause, purpose, focus, 100% is on truth that's relevant matters. And here's the other side of that. We profess to be truth speakers, truth leaders. Why? If we're not doing this for the simple fact that the people that watch my stuff are making life-altering choices every single day, if I put that behind a pay wall and make people pay for that, what kind of person does that make me?

I can't live with that. So I have to chase the truth. I can't put behind paywall. I can't put behind pay walls, I'm going to be erratic and sporadic, but you will find me at the heart of the battle and where I see the danger most coming, whether anybody else does or not, that's probably where you're going to find some of my content going. Is behind paywalls? No. It's going to be where nobody else wants to talk about it, things that they're not seeing, and lands that they're not seeing it.

Your content is going to go to where people don't want to go. Right. And it's always going to be free. I am not building a business model. A truth model is what I'm building. When you talk about, you know, you started this to find the truth. What have you found, Wayne? I found out that about 90% of what I know I cannot talk about on any recordable devices in this current state.

of affairs of our world. Why is that? Because I like air. I like food. I like breathing. I like people. And there is so much evil out there. If you deliver it when it's not ready,

then you will disappear. The only way you're going to stay safe is delivering the truth when the truth will keep you safe. Expand on that for me if you don't mind. Julian Assange is alive because his truth was irrelevant. It was relevant and it was so freaking important. Had he dropped that? Another one, the other guy, Snowden.

He almost made the mistake. He was lucky, though. The truth caught up in time to be relevant, but he dropped all of that stuff a little too soon and it almost cost him his life. but these guys only live because of the truth of the nature of the truth is so severe that the reality is catching up to that truth. So you're saying you know things right now that you will not talk about because the world is not ready for it. The world couldn't keep me safe right now.

The world isn't prepared to act on it. Canadians are not prepared to act on it. you know the we joke in the community an awful lot you know the difference between conspiracy theory and truth is you know

used to be two years now in six months well how I expand on that timeline how much truth how much what conspiracy theory out there that we've now proven and we've you know

and this is because the acceleration of exposing these truths this education this level of educated society that we now have, so many of these conspiracies have been proven to be true. But does anybody know how many are still out there? We don't know. We don't know. And I can promise you, there is some really, really nasty, shady, sketchy, scary shit that we don't know, or the general population doesn't know yet. What do you think society's protecting you on right now then when it comes to truth?

When you're, when you're where we sit today, you're like, I can talk about X because, you know, it's not going to get me throwing in a body bag or thrown in the back of a vehicle. So the biggest truth that we're not aware of right now? No, no, no. Forgive me because I'm trying to. What you're saying is, is there's truth out there that society's willing, not willing to protect you on or others, right? you brought up Julian Assange and said, at the time, that was the perfect time for it. What right now was the perfect time to be talking about that maybe is overall a big shock, but the world's okay with it?

I think people need to, people need a real serious reality check about what's going on in the Middle East and how involved we are getting in there because of some very, big things that we're not seeing about what's happening in the Ukraine. True casualties, 1.26 million on the Ukrainian side. Ukrainians losing 25 jets and planes in five days, pilots flying along, eating their lunch being blown out of the sky with no early warning systems, no idea where it's coming from, completely blind to what Russia is shooting them down with.

Russia having supersonics are hypersonics that no, nothing in the U.S. military, can handle. NATO is destroyed in Ukraine. They have given up their hand. Now, we've got a military industrial complex in Russia and China that can basically do what they want at will. They are using now night vision and they have AI drones and missiles that the NATO and the West cannot even begin to touch. And guess what? They're giving it all to Iran. They're giving this all to Iran. So keep sending your U.S. aircraft carriers over there to the Middle East because Iran's going to turn them into submarines. And then what is going to do? America wants to pick a fight with China. They can't even handle what they've got going on in Ukraine. This is the kind of thing that scares

to be jeepers out of me because if Ukraine has got the best NATO in the West has got and they haven't got an answer to anything that Russia's got and Russia's giving it all to Iran, do you think Iran will be as compromising or as rational as what a lunatic, this raging dictator Vladimir Putin is? I think that this is a whole other different situation. I think there are people that are manipulating that conflict in the Middle East that are of no righteous cause and purpose. And I am not on any side in that. I just want all the killing to stop.

But this meddling behind these charades of fraud and lies and this perception of invincibility and impermeability that we can take on the whole world. And Trudeau, like a perfect little chihuahua is out there poking all of these bad guys because he thinks big brother Joe Sleepy Biden is going to protect us. This is suicide moves. This is literally suicide moves. these guys are doing shit that they're writing checks that our countries cannot cash. That is the biggest thing that scares to be jeepers out of me. If NATO doesn't have an answer for anything that Russia is using on the battlefield right now, knowing that they're giving it all to the Middle East, free, doesn't bode well.

When I look at the, you know, people are hedging their bets around the planet, these nations, these tyrants and dictators, and they're going, Hmm, I think we might want to swap how we do things and maybe hedge our bets and get in bed with Russia and China a little bit. Even Mexico is applied to become a member of Bricks. What is that telling people? That's what scares me the most. That's what people don't want to accept and realize is that crazy radical nations like Iran have got military tech that we can't handle. and they want to pick more fights elsewhere

guys why are we funding all of this we're pretending our nation's leaders are hurrahrah support these wars for democracy they're saving democracy they're destroying democracy over here

and they're supporting places that have no democracy not right that kind of insanity cannot sustain itself you know there's no movie It says, you know, something along the lines of, I don't fear the country that has 100 nukes. I fear the crazy radical that has one. That's how we get to Armaged.

And which one of these crazies is going to pull the trigger if we keep continuing to just, you know, willy-nilly go and influence stupid, woke policy and demanding that the world do it or else. this globalism thing, it's going to hurt when the top of that comes crashing apart. And that's really what we're seeing. The rest of the world rezone itself. The globalism is crashing, coming apart. And, you know, that's not to say there's any animosity towards the people from the opposition. That isn't the case at all.

This is all about bankers and finance and oil and energy and money. And it's all desperation by the kapal. I think the first person at money, might get taken and is going to be the new president of Argentina. Why? Because the first order of business for him is to get rid of the central banks. What's the problem with that? Well, that's the same thing Hitler did, too. The very first thing that he did when he came into power was get rid of the central banks in Germany. Not making any comparisons in ideology, there is none. But those are the kinds of things that separate it. None of these wars have anything to do with religion or

faith is all about money. It doesn't matter that this guy is a libertarian. He's left or he's right. If he's going to go after the central bank, they're going to take him out. That's why they take out Kennedy. That's why they took out Gaddafi. That's why they took out all of these world leaders. Anytime somebody tries to take away the central banks, they will come for them and they

will destroy them. But the difference is the rest of the world is done with central banks too. You're, you know, when it comes to the new president in Argentina, Tina. I got sent, you know, I'm sure Wayne, you get sent a lot of documentaries, that type of thing, videos, interviews, on and on and on it goes. And I do my best, but at times it's just like completely overwhelming, you know, like how many things get sent. I'm just like, I don't have an hour. I don't have, I don't have, you know, like, I try my best, but at times I'm just like, I'm completely overwhelmed. And so I still appreciate everybody sending it because I like to see trends. Like maybe a dog. documentary gets sent to you seven times. You're like, holy man, that must be something, you know. Anyways, I watched this one and it talked about, you know, I've, certainly with Tom Longgo and Alex Craneer, folks, we've, we've been down the Russia-Ukraine thing, you know, once a month now for however many months it's been, eight months, maybe longer, probably longer, I guess, at this

point. Anyways, it does matter. We've been talking about a long time. This documentary didn't point out many things new, but one of the things it talked about, surprised me, I guess, a little bit. And that was about them kind of doing casting calls for politicians. No, it's not like, I'm not sitting here and going like they're doing this in every area. I don't, I don't mean to put it out there like, you know, on and on it goes. But it was talking about Zelensky. And we all know he's an actor, right?

Like, I don't think that should shock anyone. But if it has, just go look it up. He was an actor. And they kind of cast him in this role. This is how the documentary plays it out. and Wayne's laughing at me, so I'll see what his thoughts are, of like, okay, this is what the people want. They want freedom.

They don't want to go to war. So you're going to go on a thing of peace, and you're going to play this card, and you're going to, you know, and now it goes into, did he actually win the election, you know, was that cooked, all these different things. But then as it went on, I'm like, this is interesting because, like, when I look at Argentina,

Now, the roles are a little bit reversed, but the playbook, if you would, is kind of similar. Give the people what they want. People want this. And what do we always hear about politicians? They get in, and then they do what they want anyways. When you look at Argentina or Zelensky or wherever, do you think it's all just a playbook of like, yeah, he's in,

and he said all the right things, but is he actually going to do anything of what he said? Because, I mean, we all, well, maybe we haven't all. There's a great video. What's his name, Wayne, is it? Melly, Meeley? Miley. There's a great video of him with a whiteboard, you know, government group of this.

Gone. Gone. Gone. And I saw him on Tucker Carlson and he was, I was like, wow, this is like, this is something. And I watched this documentary and I hate to get too far into any rabbit hole because, you know, a documentary is designed to make you see their point, right? And so you're watching it and you're like, man, that feels eerily. similar what's going on in certain places of like this is what we're we're in a casting call this because this is really selling right now do you see that or am i am i out in left field

we have to you know the everything like a pendulum it really is you know the history is like a pendulum and no matter how far down you look you see this ticking and talking and uh back and forth and you get to one extreme and it goes to the other. I think that we are genuinely in a populist swing. Now, historically, yes, you know, 100% politicians are going to do what they're going to do because they're all just a part of a great big organized crime syndicate. But, you know, with different generations, the last thing that these crime syndicates want to do is get destroyed. So when the court of public opinion gets powerful enough,

they will adapt, improvise and become symbiotic to that as well. And so that's what I think we're seeing. And it's like I said earlier, you know, these different crime bosses calling themselves leaders of countries really are all the same. And this is a giant turf floor. Now we are reestablishing boundaries and borders amongst the different turf lords. that are around the world, that is happening as a realignment due to the collapse of the cabal or whatever you want to call it, this one-world order government.

But that's not a victory yet, folks, because this is where it gets into deeper stuff, you know, who controls the controllers and that kind of thing. And that's getting even scarier yet. And then opens up for a whole lot of other. you know, labels and assaults when you start to have those kinds of discussions, maybe because this is, you know, out of the grasp of making sense to where people are at. But I think we are absolutely on a populist swing. I think, and I've said this before, I think we're going to have a couple of hundred years,

ultimately of the most conservative societies in the history of the world. Once the lefties are done eating themselves, and remember, they don't procreate either. So this is all going to be over in a generation. And the correction will have gotten so far the other way that it's going to be a very, very conservative planet. So I think if some of these guys, you know, if you look around, we're seeing them, they're starting to stick these populist leaders. Maloney in Italy or Bonn and Hungary, you know, now the Netherlands.

Argentina, Poland. Poland's another one. Nobody's talking about Poland. But as Poland done, Poland has just done the biggest thing that they could just stop the war in the Ukraine. They shut down the shipping borders.

So none of all of this aid that we're sending to Zelensky is getting to Zelansky right now. So, I mean, there is a whole raft of nations that don't want to play World War III games. And our little Chihuahua in Ottawa is. You know, you talk about, you know, once again, you know, with your comment about Poland, you know, one of the hardest things right now is realizing you think Iran's the crazy nation. Like, I feel like we're a part of the crazy nation with having Trudeau and Biden as our two leaders. We are the crazy nations right now that are going around the world. We are.

And you go like, you know, one of my. One of my fears, you know, obviously, like, nobody wants to go to World War III. Like, nobody, like, does anyone listening to this go? I can't wait to get on the ship to go over there and see what happens. I don't, do you know of anyone, Wayne, on any side of the spectrum that isn't a politician that's, like, ready to go to war? You know, that's, that's where it's, that's where it's going to stop. You know, at the end of the day, politicians don't stop. as public opinion does.

And as this stupidity escalates, this insanity escalates, and you get these warhawk politicians that only serve the military industrial complex saying, we may have to send troops over there. These millennials that don't even want to listen to us, they don't want anything to do with modern society. They don't want anything. Now they've got Sleepy Joe Biden telling him they might have to go and die in Ukraine or in in you know Gaza. I don't think so, Tim.

They're not getting going to get any kind of support for all of the crispy creams that they want to offer. It's just not going to happen. They're not going to get support for this. The the population's thirst for war just. just is not there. Americans just, I mean, Americans are pretty much, you know, the most, and this is not a knock,

there are, let's go get them kind of society, but, you know, they haven't forgotten Afghanistan, you know, and there withdrawal from there. There's a lot of questions that haven't been answered to their veterans. And, no, I, I don't think that they're going to continue to get any more support. For that, I think that the left is eating itself at every level and every corner of the planet.

Whether you're talking about Kiev and Zelensky or Washington and Joe Biden or Ottawa and Justin Trudeau, we are seeing them eating themselves, trying to find a path, navigate through it, getting ever more frantic, more knee-jerk. And that's going to happen until they're, until they're, they're collapsed. And the question then ultimately becomes, do they collapse because of conflicts initiated due to outside meddling? Or does it collapse from internal, you know, causes, economics? But either way, insanity is unsustainable. Yeah.

Insanity is unsustainable. I think that's, that's a pretty good. That should probably be on a t-shirt, Wayne. I'm not going to lie. That should probably be on a t-shirt. What we're going to do with this portion, folks, is we're going to head over to Substack. So, Wayne has never been a part of this before. So if you're tuning in on the podcast, you want to hear the last little 10-minute segment,

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