Shaun Newman Podcast - #550 - Zach Schmidt

Episode Date: December 23, 2023

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So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Zach Schmidt. So thanks for making the tour. Up, I guess. Yes, up, up. Now, you've got to, I've been fortunate enough to be on your side of things, on what you do.

And, you know, I don't know, like repaying the favor. I don't even know. Me and Drew Weatherhead do this all the time. Usually it's a little closer, and my schedule, I appreciate you, kind of dodge around my hectic life and making time to kind of move her, McGuire, your schedule. But me and Drew do this all the time where one of us goes on his, and then we rotate and the other guy comes back on the other side because, I mean, as you'll probably be able to inform me, you're talking to some similar people and then a whole swath of

different people that I don't even talk to. And it's nice to get across from somebody from Saskatchewan and hear their story, hear what they're seeing, what their thoughts are, all that good stuff. So if you haven't checked out the Zach Schmidt, uh, Schmidt House podcast, Schmidt House podcast, thank you. Um, that's worried on your shirt too, and I've been on the bloody thing. I'm staring at it. Um, if you haven't checked it out, you should. I was, well, I'll let people, I'll let you to tell everybody who you are, but, uh, um, Denei Christian was on and, uh, I was telling you like that, that was like top drawer. Like, it really broke down soji, um, incredibly well. And if you haven't seen that, um, like, I mean, to go regurgitated,

I don't know if anyone needs to do that, right? Just go listen to what Zach's done and boom, you have it. Um, but let's, let's talk about a little bit Zach. Who, who are you? You know, when I, I got to hop on your side, You know, the goal of the host is to hopefully deflect and make, what did Rahm McLean once tell me, you know, make the guest the star. So let's hear a little bit about Zach and what you've been doing in Saskatchewan. Yeah. Well, in 2021, I started my podcast. And it was something that I wanted to do kind of just like split it up.

So I'd like five main areas. So it was going to be like entertainment, current events, guest interviews, just like stuff like that. Kind of break it up. kind of a little bit more focused on pop culture. You know, I wanted to do like book reviews and movie reviews and stuff like that. And just kind of like give a snapshot in time. And like the kind of zooming out version of what I wanted my podcast to be is something that my kids could listen to years down the road. And it kind of be timeless and understanding like, hey, what's my dad at 30 thinking, you know?

How old are you? I'm 33. Okay. You know, so it's like it's, I wanted to almost have that element too because I've heard, you know, Joe Rogan talk about it. It's like he's done this for so long. He's going to have an entire catalog of, you know, anybody will be able to listen to for a long time. And I wanted to have a little bit of aspect that leave us something behind

so that it was like my parents, my kids that, you know, don't know me at this point because they, you know, they're not, you know, grown up enough to experience this style. But kind of have a little bit of a snapshot. So there's a bit of an element of that as well. But just the way that things are going ended up talking about politics a lot. And that's a lot where my show goes. as far as content.

I have a bunch of people from the Canadian political scene, and I've been trying to focus a little bit more on Saskatchewan as well, because I think that that's important. But, you know, I've been talking to a bunch of people, mostly from Diagallon and the People's Party of Canada. Just seems those are the kind of the networks that I'm connected up with as far as, like, online and social media presence-wise, those are the people that I've been able to connect with and bring on.

So that was kind of like where the show's kind of been heading just as a natural, just reacting to the times. And lots of the time when I do current events, I've had people, you know, consistent listeners, say, like, I get my news from you. I watch you to be able to get information because I don't trust the mainstream man. I don't trust that.

So it's interesting to see just kind of the evolution of my show and like what I originally set it out to be to where it is now. And the growth this year has been fantastic. It's been really good being able to have a bunch of awesome guests on, which is like, and this is just kind of continually to open the door. It doesn't matter what I do. around Regina where I'm from have been recognized

just at freedom events and stuff like that you're like oh you got that podcast and you mentioned Deney Deney's episode I've had a bunch of people like oh yeah I listened to that episode it was fantastic blah blah blah so well and I I'll say it again on air as far as Soji goes I think it's the best breakdown I've heard and it's from a Canadian source

right like it's from somebody from Saskatchewan to boot right like normally it's some doctor from the United States who can speak very articulate and break things down. But this was a Saskatchewan teacher breaking it down like, you know, it was just very well done.

It was easy listening. And for myself, for taking the time to listen to somebody else, and I don't knock any, like I was just telling, I don't know who this was, but like I got an opportunity to drive to Calgary a couple weeks ago

so I downloaded a whole bunch of podcasts because I love Joe Rogan. Like, that's how I got. into this or or Tucker Carlson just had on I was you know I'm trying to finish him and Alex Jones wrong and I'm like three quarters away through but you know like when you're on this side of things doing things it's funny how you just seem to have little time to get through what you used to and I used to drive like five hours a day all those hours seem to just disappear now yeah it's it's I've noticed that as well I used to take in a lot of other content and I wasn't

really focusing prior to me starting the podcast on the Canadian side of things I always thought Canadian politics was rather boring and the American stuff they had going on was always a lot more dramatic and always something going on. And so I used to listen to lots of like Tim Kast and like you said, Tucker Carlson lots. But it was something that I started as I started getting on this side of the table, it was something that I needed to take a little bit more of a focus on and, you know, see what's going on in my backyard a little bit more. And the 2021 election, that really kind of annoyed me on how I felt that Canadians were asleep. So I think that also influenced it. But to go back to what Denei was saying, so she was an ex-teacher,

ex-public school teacher, I should say, and she basically just took a look at what was in the curriculum and what legislation was in Saskatchewan and just basically said, okay, here's it all laid out. Here's what, you know, all of the fine print, all of the things that's footnoted and basically been tried to have been hidden by the government and by the school boards. And this here's what's actually going on in your kids' classrooms. And it had a really positive response and it's something that it's almost like ridiculous that i was the one and me and dene like working on it and putting that out there it's almost ridiculous that it took like a small time you know just like nothing podcast to be able to get that information out and it just really goes

to show like how i think people are really sleepy in today's day and age they're not willing to actually put in a lot of time that's probably shifting i think probably around the um freedom convoy the mentality of canadians changed a little bit but it's it's something that i think there's still lots of people that are, Greg Arcade, a guy I had on my show put it this way and it was really well. It's like lots of people are awake but they haven't got out of bed yet. And I think that's where where lots of Canadians are. It's like you can give them this information but it's still the action side of it still hasn't happened to the degree that I think it has to has to take place to be able to get the change and prevent some of this stuff happening in schools. Well, and the other thing

is, is you being a small podcast, me being a small podcast, heck, Trish Wood being a small podcast. Heck, Trish Wood being a small podcast on and on it goes. We don't get exactly mainstream attention, do we? So, like, you stumbling into Deney, and maybe you guys knew each other from a long time, it doesn't matter how it happened, you two getting together doing a podcast. Now you have to rely on the network of people to share it

because the only way it comes across my desk, because I didn't know who you were. You know, like maybe we've had a small interaction, you know, a little bit here and there. But like overall, how do we all find? each other. It's not like we're getting shared on the CBC. Man, there's a new podcast in Saskatchewan, you know, the Schmidt House podcast and he's got this great lady on, like that doesn't happen. So the only way we're finding out each other about each other is through all the social media

platforms from the most part texting, et cetera. And we all know that's becoming harder and harder to share things and find things. And then once you're siloed off, I mean, it's even, I mean, I just look at some of the guests I've had come through the doors in 2023 specifically, I had never heard of all through COVID, and they were fighting the good fight. And you go, like, how is that possible? I'm in the good fight, and I didn't know who they were, right? So there's a lot of things we're fighting uphill against. Certainly, when we talk the way we do and everything else, we rely heavily on the audience that listens to help us promote and share our content. Yeah, absolutely. And it's been an upward battle, like you've said. And it just seems

that like the more the more times that we try to add up all of the like the benefit that we've been doing and the the you know the punches to the cheek that we've been taking over especially over the time during COVID I think lots of people now are starting to see the the result of just consistently keeping with it and saying what's true and saying what's accurate and putting good information out there and people are really gravitating towards that because for a long time when we're our only option is the CBC or the mainstream media that's government funded like 98% of the media in Canada is. And then we get legislation such as Bill C-11 and Bill C-18

where it's just really trying to cripple the independent space and force people back to that legacy media, the mainstream media, the dinosaur media. My brother would say the regime. The regime, yeah. The propaganda. Yeah. But, yeah, I've just noticed that there's a lot of people

that are seeking that information and saying that we're done, they might realize that they've been lied to and duped in a way that they don't feel comfortable with, you know, participating in that anymore. So it is kind of good that we're seeing like a shift in perspective like that because I think it's long overdue. And that's why lots of the problems that it's not just SOG or COVID or any hot topic thing today. This has been something that has been like designed for a very, very long time. At least that's the way that it seems to me is that the establishment has had their control over absolutely everything that we've been able to do. the internet shifted that perspective podcast like Joe Rogan had opened up the door for lots of people

to be able to enter that market. And it puts lots of pressure on the old guard that wants to maintain the status quo to be able to keep everybody in line and have them do their bidding. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to argue with you on any of that. I think the longer and the further you dig, I used to, I think I used to say something along the lines. I have a hard time believing anyone saw COVID coming.

But then the more people you talk to, the more people I have on here that are a heck of a lot smarter than me that didn't see it coming but just started to stare at it when it did come and tried raising the alarm and nobody listened. You're like, oh, there's more to this than just like, you know, here comes the flu and then let's lock everything down. Like, you know, there's just, there's a lot going on there. And you can see, like, you know, like how much did you follow? I assume you followed COP28 and all the different things going on with Canada and, and, and, reducing emissions and the millions upon millions of dollars and Hillary Clinton tracking climate deaths and on this this on this narrative goes I assume that you've been paying attention a little bit to that too I have a little bit just because the amount of money that the Saskatchewan government

spent on going there going there has been just ridiculous and it just really shows I think the corruption in the raw specifically within the SaaS party but it's no different for I think lots of lots of governments. You think they went there, like, because the number I'd heard in Alberta as 100 delegates went from Alberta to COP 28,

do you think they all believe it? Or do you think they look at it and go, we got to be there because every country that's a game changer and we can show them our green tech because everyone wants it's green tech and they use it as like an opportunity to sell, or at least that's the way they tell us minions,

but do you think it's a little of A, little B, or do you think it's like off the deep end? Well, I mean, personally, if they're over in the Middle East where they have a very strong, and this goes like if you go outside of it with like the bricks, um, bricks countries getting together. Like they don't want to lose the petrol dollar.

So everything that, that our countries are like, and our provinces are going over there to do to push this green agenda. Like the Middle East doesn't really believe in that because they still want the oil money, right? So it's almost counterintuitive where they're probably like shutting their doors down. Like thanks for all the money you just gave us and like see you later, right? That's kind of my opinion on that.

but like as far as like what our governments are doing, if they were truthful and honest and had a backbone and were trailblazers and wanted to actually benefit the people, they wouldn't have gone. And, you know, there's lots of complaints about the SaaS party spending a million dollars to go over there. Regina's mayor, Sandra Masters, went over there with, I think one or two people from the mayor's office in Regina.

She was just giddy. Well, but it just goes to show that's how deep the rod is. it's like what what value does the Regina mayor going to COP 28 do exactly you know like I can you can justify a bigger level of of government such as a provincial government sending people there for XYZ reason when you're getting municipalities in in in going there it just really goes to show in my opinion how deep the globalist rod actually goes and how many how many um puppet strings are actually controlling absolutely everybody because It's like when you look at what's going to benefit your people the most,

certainly something like that. I think anybody can understand with some grade six science that what they're preaching about carbon isn't true. And we're even seeing like the debate open up at a federal level when they're saying, you know, Pierre Polyev's wanting to tax the tax and get rid of the carbon tax and stuff like that. So it's like you're getting conflicting things from all different levels of government of their involvement and what they're wanting to do.

There's different messages. There's no cohesive plan to this. So I would almost say that like without some type of general consensus of what they want to do on this specific topic, why aren't they opening up to questions and more input? It always just seems that they're, you know, our experts agree. Well, we learned that during COVID, experts don't really know a whole lot, right? And who defines who the expert is? It's not even, it's usually the money. The money defines the expert.

Yeah, it's not even that experts are experts. Sure, they're an expert of their field, but there's like thousands. So who gets to decide, right? Like who, and then, like, how do you know, like, how can you get some conflicting people so you have some people from across the spectrum of the same expert field? So you can have a little debate and maybe let the people see the debate so that they can maybe make a decision for themselves. Right?

Because, like, to, like, there's no one expert that knows all of it, right? You're like, so then you're like, well, who's the expert? And where did they come from them? What are their allegiances to them? What is their conflict of interest? And on and on it goes. And it's like, no, we got an, you know, in the middle of COVID, we got her one expert. Yeah.

It's one expert to shut down the entire world. Like, really? Or a country or a province. Yeah. And that's where it's like to think that these people are incorruptible. Like if you pay anybody a amount of money, you just basically go in door to door and saying, will you accept, will you accept? Will you accept?

And one of those people is going to say yes. And then they're going to find the evidence that you need. And I find that like, that's where specifically like, on. the whole like carbon and green stuff that's been my position from the get-go you know I remember even in high school thinking lots of the stuff that was being pushed you know like the coyote accords and things like that like this doesn't make any sense you know and then you know you get into it I remember sitting I was taking a physical geography class in university geez probably close to 10 years ago now and he was explaining weather systems and going through all

of that stuff. And I, you know, put up my hand annoyingly like I always did in class and said, hey, everything that you just said over the last 10, 15 minutes here, doesn't that completely disprove, you know, the whole carbon debate and the green debate and all that stuff? And he paused for a minute. I'll never forget this. He paused for a minute, looked down, he came back up and looked and he's like, I don't think I'm at liberty to discuss the answer to that question. That right there. This is in university? This is in university. That right there gave me enough seeds of doubt that the whole thing was probably bullshit. Because when if university, an institution where these ideas should be discussed and a professor wasn't willing

to risk his position to even open up the debate and say, I agree with you or this is what could be believed X, Y, Z, right? That right there. And this is, you know, a university of Regina prop. I'm like, okay, this is happening here where a professor is willing to censor themselves so that they can keep their job about something as simple as climate change. What? else is going on outside of a much larger institution where they have money and have control. That was a really big eye opener for me specifically on that subject. That's a wild story. You know, like, I'm four years older than the, and I went to college in the States.

And it was a liberal school. Like, I mean, it was full on, like, it was a, it was an interesting spot to go for a Western kid who grew up around agriculture and an oil patch and everything else. and go to a tree-hugging school, essentially, right? Beautiful spot in Wisconsin. But never did, the thing I never remember is professors censoring themselves, ever. Actually, it was one of the professors there that told me, we'll never run out of oil. I remember thinking that, like, what a wild thing for a professor to say.

But he goes, but the cost to get said oil is going to cost more and more and different things. and he talked about the oil sands in Alberta and just down how much it costs per barrel to get it out of the ground and how much, you know, the demand and he just walked everybody through it and I was like, oh wow. So I, that's crazy to me.

But Regina is Regina. So I mean, I hate to crap on you a little bit, Regina, but you've, I mean, it's been an interesting couple years there, hasn't it? Yeah, they've really showed their cards on a lot, a bunch of different things. Like, they're going through this whole real scandal right now too with their exhibition grounds and what's that um so i don't know like the full just of it but to my understanding is basically um because it's opera it's on city uh land right the whole exhibition grounds

and stuff like that which includes mosaic stadium so they developed a group to be able to oversee it all and a bunch of financial problems that have been going on and stuff so the the mayor and the city council have been going back and forth and fighting with uh this real board and there is some some corruption with the CEO who is using his own companies out of Alberta to be able to do some business development and some other things as it pertains to the exhibition grounds and stuff like that but yeah it's just like there there's things like that I mean so Regina specifically our crime problems are absolutely out of control which are lots of places around Saskatchewan actually I think PA right now is for the hot spot for for car theft and like criminal activity that way so

it's like you're born and raised in Regina I'm born weren't in a small town. That's where I live, but I'm pretty much in her job. What's a small town? I don't, I don't wish to say out. Oh, you don't wear it, share it on there. No, I, I, I just being who I am online, a little bit bombastic. I don't like to just put that information out there.

I also don't like to say my kids' names. It's just, that's the one thing that I kind of want to just shield. I shield as long as I can. Forgive me. No, I, for the, not to pry into where you're from. Yeah. But are you worried that people will actually come there? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, I've stepped up, I've stepped up my security around my house and stuff like that. Really? Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, there's been a lot of, I mean, it happens every now and then. You know, you'll get some people that go raid, you know, just go town to town to town and start raiding vehicles or, you know, the one guy's truck down the street was stolen last year. It definitely seemed to happen more. during the most recent one, it was the one guy stole seven cars amongst four towns. Sure.

So that stuff, I think, is happening more frequently. But you think they would target you because of what you're saying online? Oh, me specifically. I wouldn't doubt it. I was actually, the episode that I did with Denae was actually really freaking out about it so much. And so was she, even though like where she lives in Saskatoon and, you know, I live where I live. But I was actually talking to people. I was afraid of being swatted.

during it. Um, just because my, because so to add some context to it, that week Scott Moe had announced that he was doing this parental bill of rights. Sure. So, um, there's a lot of people being doxed online, like on Facebook groups for just putting, sharing out and, and, in support of it. So my wife is in, was in a Regina mom's Facebook group. And she actually wanted to post the, the podcast there, like a link to, to watch it live. And she's like, I don't feel comfortable doing this because there was literally like 300 comment thread of people attacking each other in the comments over just support of this parental rights bill. And so the topic that we were talking about was so bombastic. I think just during that that period, I was kind of afraid.

I'm like, what, what are they going to do? Because these moms in this in this comment thread were saying, I'm taking you to social services. And they were taking down all the names of the people that shared and supported. Scott Moe's decision for this parental rights bill. They're reporting them to the child protective services in Saskatchewan. So it's things like that that I was just kind of like, I'm really glad that I'm able to keep my personal life a little bit separate that way. I mean, it's not like truthfully, it's not impossible to figure out who anybody is these

days. So it wouldn't be hard to figure that out. But it is something like, and that's again, I try to use my wife's name as little as possible. I don't think I've ever mentioned this is my kid's name on it on the stream. It's just you never know. And especially like there's also an element of it's like there's certain people that you can criticize and other people that you can't. And it seems that there's one or two particular groups especially in today's days.

I would say the Jews right now. And I would also say the Rainbow Mafia. Those two groups, I think, are completely above criticism. And if you do, you definitely get some backlash for that. I can't speak to the Jews side of the argument. because I'm just, but the Rainbow Mafia, I don't know. Me and, me and Vance Crowe, if Vance is listening to this, me and Vance have had lots of discussions about this because,

do you know who Vance Crow is? No. Vance Crow is a podcaster out of St. Louis. And he used to work for Monsanto. And he was in a position of millennial engagement there. And they wanted to bring somebody in a stirred up. So we brought in Jordan Peterson. And, you know,

I sit there and I listen to on, I don't know. Not that I worry about saying my wife's name because I say it enough on here over the course of five years. I've said enough. But kids, I totally get the kids. And actually, I even get your hometown. That's fine, Regina. I'm from Lloyd Minster. What's the big deal?

I always say if they want to come to Redneck Capital of the world, then by all means, come on down. We had our protest with roughly 700 people and they showed up with 10. So the Rainbow Mafia, you know, like, you know, what do? is kind of where I'm at. We've got to start to, I think more people need to be, unafraid of what's going on. Because we're running down this course of like, we're running down the shoot folks.

Like, I don't know. Where are we heading in the future? Well, no, and I don't disagree with you. And like, I, there's a certain asset. And mostly the reason why I was afraid of something happening, like a swatting is because I had posted stuff marketing the Nays episode. And people that don't even follow me, were direct messaging my wife and saying that he's lying this needs to stop this isn't happening

all this stuff so it was people that knew my wife not even knew me but somehow had seen it shared you know and know that she was attached to me in my podcast that way um so again like it was just something that was completely out of out of left field as far as like this isn't something of how something could go and again like it's it's one of those things it just i don't want to make it easy easier for people to you know you know and paid a big target on my back because I I know that there's groups in Regina that have specifically targeted over things I've said on Twitter as well well I can't I can't put myself well I mean I can kind of put myself in your shoes or the reason I was bringing up me and Vance have this argument back

and forth because I'm like you just got to you just got to go like I mean there's here in Canada there's no time to I just you just got to go and there's been lots of things happen through COVID on this side right that we're very uncomfortable comfortable, not the greatest thing. You kind of figure out some things that, oh, okay, well, crap, you know. But Vance Crow had had Jordan Peterson coming and speak. And like the crap storm that came after him, you know, the mob calling for his head, calling for his job, calling for everything, he said was something that he did not expect

and he was, you know, depressed. I mean, he's got quite the story on it. And so I hear that and I go, I kind of put you like that, I'm on, okay, yeah, I understand. And I just go like, but the other side is like, not that you have to say any of these things. I just go, I want to be afraid of all of them or any of them. Because I'm like, at the point that they have that much power on us, we're really hooped. Like, I mean, you know, I was just saying to you, um, Diana was in here before you. And she was talking about, you know, like, we're not in communism yet.

And I'm like, well, why? She goes, because you get to do this and still release this. And I'm like, okay, fair enough. And, you know, the day we start self-censoring a whole bunch of things, not that you are and not putting that on you, obviously not because you released it. But I'm like full steam ahead because all the politicians need to, and all the public need to figure this out quick, not slow. Otherwise, we go further and further down this rabbit hole. So I guess I'm just trying to encourage you to keep on the course or whatever, steer into the rocky waters because, man, all I can see is rocky waters ahead of us. Yeah, and I completely agree.

And that's where that's, I haven't changed. I have not changed anything. I have not self-censored in any way other than just not wanting to let people, give people an easy access to me. That's like literally the only thing. And I think that that's why, you know, that's why I think I've built a level of a trust with my audience is because they know that they're going to get it straight from the hip. And what is what I'm going to say is going to be brutally honest, you know.

That comes through, I think, with my criticism of, of specifically conservatives. I've had a big axe to grind against conservatives right now because I think that they're part of the problem of why things that we're seeing is so bad is because they've kind of let everything slip and allowed it to happen, especially if you look at provincially

some of the problems that we've had, the SaaS party's not making them go away, but they're looking like superstars with the little actions that they are doing. Let's talk a little SaaS politics. I don't have to do this in a long time, folks. You know, once again, hopefully, Danielle Smith is supposed to be coming on next week.

It's been kind of, well, it's kind of been getting pushed out, kicked down the road, you know, kick the can. I'm not harping on the premier one bit. I understand the schedule and busyness and trying to, you know, all that. But I think it's coming, which should be a lot of fun, you know, interesting. But I don't get to talk a whole lot of Saskatchewan politics. I've never had Scott Mo on.

I have a hard time trying to go through the list of questions. I would try and ask that, man. The nice thing about Daniel Smith was that I was talking to her through all of COVID, and we have a bit of a relationship built that way, and she didn't lock me down, you know? So you can imagine my thought on that. In Saskatchewan, you got the SAS party, who's been in power now for how many years?

Since 2007. And then, you know, you got the SAS United, who's this, I don't know, upstart. They showed well in the first by-election with John Romick as the guy running, got 23% came in second. But, you know, like, it's not like they're world beaters by any stretch,

What I mean is they got an uphill battle, but I'll throw it to you because you're the guy living in Saskatchewan. Yeah, Saskatchewan's in a really unique scenario. And I think the first place to start is some good criticism because that's where the shift needs to happen. And it's shift as far as perspective of the population. So the SaaS party recently in the last year did two bills that I have a really big problem with. The first one is Bill 117, which is the Firearms Rights, or the Firearms Act, sorry, which was supposed to enshrine the rights to be able to protect guns from Justin Trudeau's gun grab and whatnot. And it doesn't do any of that. In fact, it's honestly just more gun control. It gives the Saskatchewan government a lot more power over confiscation and things regarding that.

So that was one that I really had a big annoyance with. And actually, Nadine Wilson, who's affiliated with the Sask United. Sask United Party actually voted in favor of that as well. And in person, I said, like, hey, that was wrong. And I don't even think that she understood what I was saying when I was explaining what the problem. So what is it about the bill that I'm getting you to quote it. But when you look at the bill, what sticks out to you is like, this is a problem? Well, first of all, is nothing in there actually protects the firearms and the rights of gun owners as far as it comes for property.

What they did is set up like a ballistics thing so that they can track gun using crime. Alberta did something similar actually as well. They also have done a gun safety campaign, which again doesn't necessarily help gun orders keep their property. But the biggest thing is they said that they're going to protect the guns by licensing programs. So if the feds want to do gun grabs, first of all, the Saskatchew. government is going to dictate the price of what those guns are. Okay, but they're also listing, list, um, issuing licenses for it. So they'll say if the RCMP or the feds want to come take guns, there's a roadblock

and you have to apply for this licensing. So Scott Moe and the SaaS party says, but we're not going to issue any licenses. Now my big thing with it is the NDP who's in opposition and the sole, um, the sole SAS United person with Nadine Wilson all voted in favor of this. Now, some people say that it's politically important to do so because firearms in Alberta and Saskatchewan are very, very important to the people, right? But I think it was just a completely political move because the NDP, everybody is expecting that their party is going to get more votes next time around.

So, and just in the natural swing of things, the SaaS party's been in for over 15 years. That pendulum's got to go back the other way. It's the natural play of politics, right? So the NDP is really banking, and they've been putting a lot of support in the cities to do so to be able to get at least a minority government next time around, right? So I'm not sure if you're aware, but the provincial NDPs are behest to the federal one, right? So Jagmeet Singh could on a dime, say, pull the guns, and then they're going to issue all the licenses to the people that want them, right? it also because they basically just copied Ottawa's framework and added in addition to what they are doing Saskatchewan can actually make guns more restrictive so they don't even necessarily

if the NDP was to get in doesn't even necessarily have to make the license issuable they can actually just supersede Ottawa and take any of the guns for whatever reason now because that's the legislation in there so people in Saskatchewan didn't read the bill weren't paying any attention to any of this and they just saw the headline and thought, okay, the SAS firearms act, it's going to be good. It's going to be a conservative thing. It's going to be helping protect our gun and have completely walked into gun control, completely unknowingly, right? So there's that. Isn't that, isn't that the funny thing about elected officials right now? They don't read. It seems like they don't read or they don't have

critical enough thought or they don't think about like what happens in 10 years when this isn't us in charge. Exactly. Like, right? Because like, um, what you just said there is like, well, that should terrify any gun owner. Essentially, right? In Saskatchewan. Like, I mean, right there, it just lays out the framework for in 10 years or whatever it is, 20 years, 30 years. It actually doesn't really matter how long it takes. It lays out the framework that some bad things could happen.

Exactly. And I think the exact same thing to maybe a different degree because of the support behind it is different, Bill 137, which is the parental rights bill. It's the exact same thing. The the it was just breadcrumbs. This is a hot topic issue because of what happened in, uh, lumpston with the with plant parenthood. Yeah, with plant parenthood. That, um, John Rumick doing as good as he did in Lumpston Morris.

Um, also same thing. It's completely shifted the perspective of what the people, the people started waking up and saying this is a problem and the Sass party needs to solve it. So what do they do? They throw some things together and, um, then they do this parental bill of rights. And it doesn't go far enough. And I'll explain why in a second. to actually do anything, okay? Because basically all it's doing is saying that if your children are under 16,

the parents have to know if they're changing their pronoun or changing their name in the classroom. That parents have to be notified about what is taking place inside the classroom. Specifically, they also have the choice on sexual education, okay? That's really all that it did. Nothing spectacular to be able to prevent SOGI within getting into schools, right? Now, through that process, you are pride, which actually, you are pride helped design the curriculum that is still in effect back in 2010. You are pride in out Saskatoon, two LGBT organizations helped design the Saskatchewan curriculum back in 2010, which was under the SaaS Party's watch.

Again, conservative government put this in, okay? You are pride then sees, doesn't like this whole parental rights bill, sues the government, and then the, SAS party uses Section 33 of the Canadian Charter, the notwithstanding clause, to be able to block this lawsuit from happening. Now, they're still going through litigation and the bills passed our legislature. So it's enforced. But about two or three weeks ago, Scott Moe did a presser and said that the Saskatchewan government isn't going to be enforcing anything in Bill 137. He's going to leave it up to the school boards. So the school boards are where this problem has happened.

and the SaaS party has kind of allowed it to happen as far as what the education ministers have been doing. Okay. Now they're saying, okay, you guys have outlined all of these problems. You've made these initiatives. You've made this training and pretty much everything that Danay and I discussed on that episode. That's live number seven exclusive on Rumble if you want to check that out. Deney and I went through all of it and said, okay, here is exactly where all this stuff comes in. It's at a school board level.

There's something in Regina called the GSD toolkit. I can't remember what it says. Gender, gender something and diversity. Anyways, that is done at a school board level. So all the training and all the things that the teachers have to go through are all done at a school board level. The corruption in the rot is very, very big there. And Scott Moe just said, you guys who have the problem,

have the decision to enforce it. Okay. That's a big problem. Now, we're going to have a provincial election next year. So there's going to be a bunch of school boards, a bunch of municipal positions all opening up, okay? that just gave a whole lot of ammo for the left and the progressives to get engaged and make sure that they remain power, remain the power over the school boards and be able to keep these policies that they enacted in force, right?

I think the right's getting a little bit more engaged, not to the degree that I think they should, but ultimately that's the ammo that the left really needed to be able to keep this ball rolling. and it's always interesting to me when I was watching it all play out you know the parental right or parental bill of rights bill of rights don't know why I can't spit that out but I was watching the sask united thing and I watched the election and you know and then you watch them get sued and I remember saying it before like I'm like man if you're if you believe in masterminds behind the political scene they would allow for them to get sued they'd do terrible in this so that Scott Moe could come over the top and slap down this big fancy thing so that all the

conservatives go, oh, Scott Moe's taken care of it, and then they can go back to, you know, whatever they're doing. And that's kind of what played out, right? Like, I mean, you know, and here you sit and you go, has it stopped anything? Well, let's push it back to the school boards. And this is why you have so many guests come on here, and they just talk about how you have to get involved. You have to, and it doesn't have to be a school board.

It can be all these different parts of the community. There's just so many different things that make up a community now. You know, I think in my hometown, we got a hockey rink. I mean, and school board, for sure. But, like, the hockey rink is the heart of the community. There's a board. It's pretty easy. It doesn't meet you that often.

It's simple. In a town of 30-some thousand here in Lloydminster, there's a lot of boards. But you can get involved in them, and people should. And they should pay attention to their election cycle and see when they're coming up and see how they can get involved and on and on this goes. and once again, you know, the, when you hear about it, it's just like, you're waiting for a government to just be like, no more. And it just doesn't seem like it's happening.

No, and I don't think that it will happen for a while. The further away that you get from your community, that problem gets worse, right? Because the attachment isn't there. And then there's problems with external influence, even just at like a federal level where we have Quebec MPs and maritime MPs that are making decisions on things that are going on in Saskatchewan, and it's not right, right? What we need is kind of flip the script. Your municipal government should also, should be the most powerful.

Then your provincial should be less than that. And your federal should basically just be in charge of border security, the military, and, you know, making sure that the province is. And your vaccine status? And the vaccine status so you can go get cheeseburgers from McDonald's or not. But it's something. And I don't know if you want to go into my whole philosophy on anarchy, but that's, I think, that's, I think where I stand for the most part is like,

we have our relationship with the government and the state completely wrong. Like people, people are supposed to associate freely amongst one another. We're not supposed to have big daddy government dictating of, you know, there's court cases going on right now with some political prisoners in Canada where the court is dictating who can talk about what the hell went on with court or in the court, who that person, who the defendant can associate with, whether online or in person, they're dictating all of that stuff. And it's like, that's not how it should be.

The people should be free to be able to associate with one another. And the government should help maintain the relationships between those people. Like if you look at specifically the role of policing, policing isn't, you know, a cop standing on the corner and watching you roll a stop sign and ticketing you for that so that the money can go back to the state. The cops, the original, the design of what the role was was to actually be an intermediary between parties. So if I had a complaint with you, you had a complaint with me, and we couldn't solve it without knocking each other out, you know, the cops would be able to intervene and be able to help settle things and organize things. And that's the basis for law, right, is basically enforcing contracts between people, whether unwritten or whether constitutional or whatever the case may be. Right. So the whole system is flipped where it's like there only benefits one side and it's always the state, you know.

But as far as that goes, like my own personal beliefs is that we shouldn't have any of it. I don't believe that the government works. I don't believe that the people get properly represented. I don't think voting is even going to make a difference because when, you know, I'm under the assumption that leaders are selected and not elected, again, kind of more further away from local that you get. So that's why it's like if you're to have it. any type of government at the municipal level should be the biggest. And that's where the majority of your if you're to pay taxes, that's the majority of where it should go. It shouldn't go to fund foreign wars in Israel, you know, in Ukraine and whatnot. It shouldn't go to foreign aid for,

for, you know, there's a bunch of money designated to Haiti, I think in 2021, just because there's a bunch of people of Haitians yelling and screaming outside of parliament, right? So they sent this big stimulus package to help what was ever going on in Haiti, right? That's Canadian taxpayer dollars that are leaving our country, you know, and there's just so many different elements of it, too. It's just like, we're living life backwards right now. And I think people are in this, this lull of where it was like they wanted to be removed so much and just left alone for the most part that they just said, we're just going to trust that the government knows best and that they're going to do everything properly. And it's backfired on us completely to now it's like almost

unescapable, you can't get the boot off your neck. You know, I was one, I mean, I don't know. It's only a few years ago I looked at the government and I was like, well, yeah, you know, they're doing the best. You know, they're doing with, and now I'm like, oh, every week on the mashup, you know, like you just, the amount of government corruption, the amount of just needless spending that goes nowhere, you know, it doesn't do anything. And it just leaves our, like you say, leaves their country is insane.

Like, you think of it. how much money we're just throwing down the toilet. Like it's just, it's wild. And yet it's at times like it's paralyzing. I want to summarize for a lot of the population. When you talk back to your idea of, you know, people are awake but they haven't gotten out of bed yet. It's like, well, what do I do?

You know, I got, I feel like I have the easy, well, I don't know the easy, but I continue to talk, continue to bring people into the conversation and try and unearth some ideas that might bear fruit because certainly the education, portion of it is just giving people some ideas and letting them here. I mean, without Rogan, without Jordan Peterson, without some of these bigger figures that, you know, Tucker Carlson heck coming here in January. Like some of these guys have been larger than life. Do they get it

all right? No. But they open up conversations that have been hidden for so long. I mean, I sit here and that's what I'm trying to do and trying to get more Canadians talking. But there's a lot of people going, well, what do I do? Does it, you know, Zach, what have you on earth? Have you found any hidden gems of, well, you could probably start doing this? Yeah, I think there needs to be a big push. I would say probably the more libertarian-minded people, a big push for them to actually get engaged. Because those are the people mostly. Like I kind of like, so basically when you look at the political competence, you usually have your left and your right,

that's like your progressive versus your conservative type of values as far as mostly, like, your economic policies and social policies, right? But then there's also the Y axis, which lots of people forget about your authoritarian versus libertarian. And I think for a long time, there's been a section of conservatives that are actually more libertarian that haven't really showed up to be able to help progress things along. Like I said, you get people that just want to be left alone or they get a little bit complacent and said, this is how I've done things forever, why change now and stuff like that.

And I think it's like that section of the population needs to get a little bit more activated just because my personal belief is that those are the ideas that need to be able to come to be able to thwart the authoritarianism and the tyranny that we've been seeing specifically from our federal but not exclusive to our provincial governments and you know now it's even looking like our municipal governments you know the bigger the city are just as bad so I think that section of the population needs to get more active and be willing to go out to school board meetings freedom groups and tons of other, you're talking about like boards and stuff like that for your city.

I think that that's a really important aspect. And I do think since the trucker convoy, there's been a little bit of a shift in that. But it's being, there's also, I think, a problem with right-leaning individuals that they want to be loved by people that hate them. So they're unwilling to say things that will get them in trouble or get people upset. again, I think that's changing a little bit, certainly from what I've seen in the people that I associate with. Diagallon is leading the front in that. Diagallon actually dictates Canadian culture a lot more than anybody would like to admit or understand

because lots of the things that Diagalon's talked about is kind of seeped into the way that certain people within the People's Party have been talking about federally. And then that seeps into kind of shifting the overturn window a little bit to the right and having the conservative party of Canada. not maybe say things that are just to appease and attract the leftist voters. You know, so that conversation is happening. It's just probably not to the degree. So if I was to say anything to kind of like answer your question like full front is, is don't be afraid to say something that's unpopular. I'd much rather you say something that's right and say something that's truthful

than and be brave in doing so. Be willing to say no with emphasis. You brought up diagonal an awful lot. I've had Jeremy on here. Well, heck, he's one of my top 10 episodes of 2023. I was actually just thinking, I'm like, man, I probably should reach back out and get him back on. That being said, you've brought up Dagon an awful lot.

And, you know, certainly I don't think anybody on this show. I could be wrong. Maybe some people think it's the terrorist organization with a... The government certainly does. Yeah, yeah, with a, you know, as a goat and anyways, Philip. When did you stumble upon Dagon? on. It was probably around the Freedom Convoy time too, because I was watching, I didn't go to the Freedom Convoid, but I was watching, I'd have three or four tabs open with a bunch of people

streaming, and I would just bounce back and forth who's talking to who, who's doing what and stuff like that. So that's when I was paying attention. I saw Jeremy when he did the, when he talked about Omar Carter and that whole thing. He was outside. In Edmonton. Was that where it was? I think it was in And yeah, and he, so he went on this whole tie rate. And that's when I started paying attention to him. But yeah, I got a lot more involved. Um, just a little bit over a year ago where I started, I would definitely have, I'm like, I recognize them and I respect what was going on and stuff. I just wasn't paying as much attention until a little over a year ago. And that's when I got like really, really engaged. And in the last year, that's been a lot of where, um, certainly my audience has come from. But I think from the mentality of what I was like looking for as far as like, um, um, perspective changing and stuff like that. And I mean, Diaglon is is a community first and foremost. Like there, we have a telegram group with like 3,700 people. It doesn't sound like a lot, but it's something right across Canada.

Sure. But like you look at something, it's like lots of it is just like preparing yourself and your family for something bad, expecting to self-rescue, finding people to be able to support. You know, in, in May of this year, we had moratorium May. so you had to give up drinking or drugs or whatever thing. And lots of people actually embraced putting in a, you know, a positive habit. So people were working out like crazy and we're fat-shaming each other on our telegram group and posting our PRs and things like that. So it was like a really big, you know, community-driven thing where people were getting healthier and getting better.

People are looking for a community. Exactly. And it's like all of the outcast of society that didn't get vaccinated or saying the wrong thing or whatever the case may be. diagonal has been kind of like the island of misfit toys for everybody. But and then, you know, you look at, there's a lady up in Saskatoon and she was going through, she had some major surgeries that happened a couple months ago and she knitted a full-size, queen-sized blanket with the diagonal flag on it and auctioned it off and people bought tickets. It was all community driven that was able to help her get through a couple months while she was recovering and couldn't work. most recently Chris Lysak one of the Coots 4 men he had a public defender that wasn't helping him out by any means

so Jeremy got on the phone made a couple of things and we raised um 200,000 dollars in less than 10 days to be able to help get Chris the proper representation that he needs so it's things like that that you won't see it's kind of like the hell's angels hell's angels had that model it's like when we do good nobody notices but we do bad nobody forgets something like that it's that it's that kind of the exact same thing with Diagon. It's like we're never, our community is never going to be rewarded for the good things that we've done positively in people's lives.

Saw that with Jeremy McKenzie. Exactly. Yeah. And there's, I mean, he's, I think, beat three out of the five court cases that he has.

He's off house arrest now. So I know he's planning to, to do like some type of comedy tour at some point in 2024. So maybe he'll be, maybe you could get him in studio and he'll, through but well i wonder if i wonder folks if we shouldn't have uh i'd i'd i'd thrown this idea at jeremy this is probably oh man this is two years i don't well no i can't be two years ago because freedom convoy was 2022 so probably through like um i probably threw this at him because me and him

recorded our first episode like the day i left for the freedom convoy this is the first time i'd ever talk to him man where where does this come is it after it must be after because i was i was i want to do an SMP presents. What's the word I'm looking for here, folks? The Notorious. And Jeremy was one of them. And then he got house arrested and I'm like, oh, I guess Jeremy hasn't coming to that, right?

But now if he's off that and it can actually come, maybe I should reach out to him again. Because The Notorious, because there's a whole bunch of people that they tell you you're not supposed to talk to. Jeremy McKenzie is one guy. I got text messages from saying, take that episode down.

Please do not have that up. This is going to sully your image and all these crazy things. and I'm like, listen, Sean, I'm going to figure a way to selling my own image. It ain't going to come from having some guest on. Don't worry about that. I'll figure out a way to mess my own career up, I'm sure. And it ain't going to come from a guy coming on talking about time traveling goat.

Yeah. You know, like it's been an interesting thing. That isn't to whitewash everything diagonal, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't know, like everything that gets thrown at them, thrown at them, none of it seems to stick, right? No. Well, you have CESIS and the RCMP chasing after a tie. traveling goat statue and taking up a bunch of resources to do so a couple months ago Jeremy figured out that CIS was basically using AI to watch all of his streams because

you can't dedicate that much staff to watch you know 10 big Deg streamers right so he came up with the idea of saying gun bomb knife in every single and having it all in the chat so that the AI was so confused and it was just seeing a bunch of stuff like 3D printed guns and things that doesn't make sense right just to kind of troll CIS because I I'm not sure if you followed. Did you ever hear of hashtag hategate? Yes, but I would appreciate it if you'd explain a bit about it. Yeah, for sure.

So Kramer Assad, who's a journalist from, I think she's from Toronto, did a whole expose. It was like 80 pages, this article that basically went through over a thousand pages, PDF pages of Freedom of Information Requests, that basically outlined all of the involvement with like the Freedom Convoy and all of the stuff that the RCMP and CIS has on Diagolon. Basically the whole Diagolon file. And this is only one of, I think, maybe three or four requests that they did

because it takes about a year to be able to get this information. Anyways, so Karima did this whole article and HateGate, we were trying to get a trend and trying to get other people to cover it because it was just we weren't getting the traction. And obviously it was something that I think Canadians needed to see. So the just of what came out in this is there's a group called the Canadian anti-hate-hate network. So the Canadian anti-hate network was one of the groups where they basically highlighted even bigger personalities, Jordan Peterson, you know, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan,

even like Rebel News and stuff like that. Actually, I do believe, like Maxime Bernier and I do believe Pierre Polyev as well. They've targeted as people that would be hateful, right? And so basically the Canadian anti-hate are... You realize, we're on that list somewhere, right? Oh, I know I'm on list. I've talked to the RCMP about it. So basically the Canadian anti-hate network identifies people, writes articles about them. The mainstream media echoes that.

CESIS and the RCMP, you know, use the media articles as evidence, which I don't know how opinion articles become evidence, but there we are. And then gives that to the government. And the government is using that to be able to justify legislation such as in the use of legislation such as the Emergencies Act. Turns out that the government is directly funding anti-hate. So it's the circle of where the information is basically being, it's basically a circular argument. Your premise is your conclusion because the liberal government is saying this is what we want to do feeds, you know, a directive to the anti-hate network and then goes right through,

comes back up to the government so that they can enact the legislation. Something very similar was going down in the United States at the same time with the ADL, the anti-deaf. So it's very similar to what was happening, but it's just like what Kramer and, you know, the diagonal file is kind of really proved is that our government is extremely incompetent. Not to mention, do you know what the five eyes are? The five eye, like the agencies you're talking? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the five eyes are the intelligence agencies.

Through New Zealand, Australia, Britain, US and us, right? Yes, yes, exactly. So CIS, in their wealth of knowledge, went to the five eyes and said, hey, like we have a very very, very big terrorist threat and it's Diagallon. The magic goat people are the biggest threat to Canadian, Canadian democracy and you guys need to make sure that you watch out. And it completely discredited, oh, I'm hoping it did, discredited that everything that our own intelligence agency has put forth.

Because Canada is now a laughing stock at an international level when they're bringing pictures of a white or a black flag with a white slash, calling it or saying that they were a domestic terrorist and what a white ethno state. And then you look and it's like the vice president is a goat statue with time traveling abilities and a narcotics problem. And if you've ever listened to the raging dissident, right? Like if you've listened to Jeremy, I mean, man, he's got a gift, right? Like when it comes to breaking down what's going on with, you know, some flair and some and some comedy

and some comedy. Yeah. Yeah. And like that's all what is. I've, the simplest way to describe Diagelin is it's the biggest inside joke in Canada. And I make, my wife. hates when I do it, but I'll make jokes, uh, I'll make jokes from the streams and stuff like that. And she doesn't get it. And she's like, you're, you're an idiot. I'm like, oh, thank you. I know.

Or, um, we're in the Saskatoon Zoo over the summer and there's a black goat. And I go to my son, I'm like, hey, what's that goat's name? He's like, that's Philip. So he's, I have, even on TV, I've got him, I've got him up on him. I'm like, hey, what's that? He's like, that's Philip the goat. So I, I mean, we have fun with it. And there's, um, I think, ultimately, like I said the community aspect of it as well, but like lots of the people that are within Diagon are the people that are actually trying to expose lots of the stuff that's going on and say, hey, like this is this is happening on a local level here. You get guys like Chris Dacey, who's on the steps of Ottawa every single day

that's trying to expose lots of this stuff. You get guys like Rob Primo who is calling the Niagara School Board and stuff like that and the Niagara Police and saying, what's up with this, particularly during pride season. And Rob Prema was asking the police, why is it acceptable for men to be naked in front of children? If I did this, you know, be arrested. But, you know, amongst a couple thousand people, it's completely okay. So it's like there's, there's, I think that if you honestly want to get down to what I was talking about before is where we need people that are a little bit more activated.

It's like, diagonal's kind of been leading the frontal amounts of that stuff as far as like being able or being willing to say what is unpopular in, in to be able to, you know, get the truth. there. And it's been one of the, certainly the names you rattle off know each one of them, well, I don't know them, but I know, you know, you get the point, have certainly been very active. There's, it's one of the things I wonder about from time to time, you know, they say the conservative side of the, you know, they don't want to work together, right? Because they're all pulling in their different ways. And I always wonder, I'm like, is there a way to bring them all together?

you even want that? Like, I mean, I don't even, do you even want that? Do you want Diagon pushing as hard as they can? And do you want other people pushing in their own unique ways as hard as long as we're all pulling the same way and going the same direction? I would say that there's no problem with that. Around Regina, I'm connected up with a couple of freedom organizations. They all do something a little bit different. They all have their own personal goals in mind. And I think that when you add up like the strength of like what they're doing individually. Again, as long as they are traveling in the same direction, I don't have any problem with that. Where I do kind of have a big problem specifically on the conservative side is

the backing of it. Because I know that it's really easy to fall into a trap of where, you know, you say you don't want to be behest to anybody, but you're also siding with the establishment conservatives to be able to get the job done. I've seen that happen before where people are saying like we can change the conservative party internally. We can change the SAS party internally. Not understanding that the rod is so bad. It's like you have heart cancer and you're willing to just swap it with heart disease. It's like, why don't you just cut the cancer out?

You know, that's a conversation that I don't think a lot of people are willing to have. I think lots of people are trying to play strategy and say like, you know, well, you know, they don't have any, like, let's take the Saski United Party, for example. People will for sure say you don't want to split the vote. they have no chance in winning. We need to vote for the SaaS party to make sure that the NDP doesn't get in. Well, you're going to get that argument every single time.

Nothing's going to change. You're going to kick the can down the road and things are just going to get worse. Don't they need to do a better job? Here's my criticism of it. SAS United, but I was even thinking the Mavericks federally. Where are they?

I'm just like, don't, I get it. The mainstream, the CBC, the global, the on and on and on, isn't going to talk to them. But shouldn't they be on a full court press right now? As hard as they can go, absolutely as hard as they can go, getting in front of every single issue.

Every single day, there's something new you could talk to. And you could be open, and you could be like, under us, whatever on and on and on it went. And, you know, like, I don't know, I'll speak to the Maverts. I apologize if there's a whole bunch of Mavericks that listen to me,

but this is my criticism. In the middle of COVID, where were you? I don't remember hearing that you were beating the drum under us. We would get rid of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this needs to have. I don't remember that. The Sask United right now, and they've, have they spoken along.

Do I have friends in that group? Do I appreciate what they're doing? Yes, but, like, I don't know. There's just, there's something new every single day where they could be at the forefront being like, this needs to end all over and over and over again. And maybe they are doing that. And I don't know.

Maybe they're a bunch of volunteer. Like, I don't know the answer. But when we talk about infiltration, you know, I come back to Alberta. And I look at it and I go, well, whether we call it infiltration or some different word Daniel Smith found a way to work away right to the very top David Parker love or hate him has found a way to put the entire conservative party to the fire and they've found a way to infiltrate

and that's the word I'm going to use right now because I think that's even what the opposite side says they've done and you go like are they getting everything right I don't know but they've found a way to do that on a provincial level federal I think is a whole different bottle of wax and I've thrown that you know Saskinaida and use UCP and Maverick. It's like I'm kind of all over the map. But it is the two schools of thought.

One is like you start new and you have to have new so you can start afresh. The other is like the establishment is there. Use their rules against them and go in and destroy it from within so that you can build a new. I don't think you can use the establishment parties for any type of political gain. I think you can understand the political system and use that for your political gain. there's people I think that are convinced that they're one in the same but they're not look at the PPC for example

the PPC has been done they have passed every single test as far as being in the right place saying the right thing and being able to try to shift the minds of people Max was out there during COVID getting arrested true right where was pure Pollyette he didn't show up for the freedom convoy

except for one photo op to be able to with some muffins and donuts from Tim Hortons where was he for James Topp when James Top came to Ottawa? Also true. He was there for the last, you know, 100 meters to be able to get the photo up. He's pandering through every single immigrant group that he can. He won't say anything bad about the Rainbow Mafia. It's like, so that is the establishment that you're thinking you're trying to change.

And I do believe that it's impossible. But then you look at someone like Maxine Bernier and the People's Party who has the right, the right everything, everything that checks every single box, but you guys are convinced that he won't win. and so therefore he won't. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You know, I would say like... Does Max, forgive me, PPC, I said this the last time I was on, I think,

or something verbatim, because I just don't know enough about the PPCs. You actually gave me a thought I've thought a lot about since then. But as far as a PPC, do they have an annual AGM where they have a leader runoff and on and on it goes? Can anyone challenge Max every year, every second year, whatever it is? So the party is lacking a constitution, which is one general criticism.

The defense of what I, to my understanding of why they don't is because there was the constitution that screwed Max out of the leadership in 2018 or 2017. So he holds on to, in fairness, Max, I should probably just have you on the show and ask you, right? I can, I'll try to connect you. I know his PR guy. Sure. Because I mean, like, I guess I'd enjoy hearing it, right? for the first rate from the... But that's one big criticism is there's no constitution.

And then they're saying, well, it was the constitution of the conservative party that was able to prevent him from getting in. Sure. Well, and I don't need to go to Max for that. I go to, I sat in this very studio, Joseph Borgo. And when he'd passed all the go posts and then they wouldn't let him in. And I've had, at that time, this table was sitting over there. And it was like a premature celebration, I would say.

Because, you know, obviously I was like, holy crap, Joseph Borgo is going to me on the debate stage and then he wasn't and then the next guy was grant abraham sitting right where you were a couple three weeks ago saying the exact same story of the federal conservative party so certainly i i get some of that does that mean that there's no way to chat like is there no way to have a you know because after 2021 about a month or so after um max didn't get any seats but he rose quite popular or rose in popularity there. Um, he put out a, there was a poll and it was a membership poll on whether they wanted a leadership review. So he put himself open for that, um, to be able to, you know, have an actual leadership. And I do believe it passed with like 92 or 94% or something

like that. Wanted to keep him on board. Yeah. That hasn't happened for the last two years. So maybe it is time to revisit that. He's had a couple of losses and some by-elections and, you know, maybe that conversation is, is worth having. Um, I don't know, but that's, that's kind of where it stands for that. Doesn't that, forgive me. Folks, I'm not a PPC member, so this is just the outside criticism, okay?

But anytime it's just like, I'm the leader, and I'm not saying this is how he is, and once again, she just have him on and talk to him about it. I just look at it, I go, I don't know, as a conservative guy,

I want the best. And I said this to Daniel Smith on the show, you know, like, I really like you, but I'm going to interview all the contestants. Because what happens if Travis Taves was the guy? And he came on the show and just blew my socks off. And I went, that's the guy.

Yeah. Then I'm going to put in my chips. And she was like, yeah, absolutely. Let's do that. Well, I fully plan on doing that for next year's provincial election. I want to have all the candidates in my riding run because I have a feeling that they're going to try to like sidestep an actual debate. I'm just kind of anticipating that because I don't think the SaaS party really wants

to open themselves up for criticism. We saw that during John Rommick's campaign as well. there's lots of people from the sask united pushing for a debate and it was the sass party that's refused to answer any calls to it um you know so i think like that it's just a problem well that's that's that's that's that's politics in general isn't it yeah and they feel like they have nothing to gain it's better to not be there we even see with donald trump right like he's just opted out of a few debates where he's like you know like him and tucker talked about it Yeah. But like in that scenario, it makes perfect sense. And like I understand this argument. It's like why would why would a cheetah even like it's embarrassed itself running with a dog? I agree. But in fairness to the SaaS party, not that I love this, that's the way they look at it. At the time with Dron Romick, they're at 70 some percent of the voting base. All they stand to do is lose. And they give an operative. Like I hate. saying this, folks, but all they do is give John a platform. And John's not a dumb guy.

No, he's not. Right? So if they engage with him, they elevate John, not themselves. And so it's very, like, I just look at how, do I want it for you? 100%. I'd be like, let's see this, right? We got a, on a very small stage here in Lloyd, we have a city councilor position by election coming open in February. And I'm like, kind of like waiting to see who the candidates are and then I'm like how on earth do I pull off a podcast or something where they all come in or I don't know one on one I'm like I'm thinking about this because like it's a very small position and yet for the one of seven that govern it could be very important could be very important we might as well have them come in and talk about it and certainly when it comes to your

uh MLA for your area I hear exactly what you're saying I think that'd be very interesting it's just from a strategy point if you're the governing body you go How does this benefit us? Well, I would put it back. It's actually hugely advantageous to do so. Because we, okay, another diagonal thing. We, have you seen a shift in pure poly ed over the last year? Well, I mean, he lost glasses and he looks like he works out.

So yes. Or at least wears a girdle, right? That was diagonal. I think he's wearing a girdle. Oh, yeah, lots of people suspect that he is. That was diagonal. We, we bullied him online. About being Millhouse.

About being Millhouse. And it changed. Someone within their party was listening and saying, hey, we got to, this is a PR nightmare. These people are making fun of you. You know, the goat worshipping bigots are making fun of you. You've got to change and look different. Get spray tan to look more like Donald Trump, stuff like that. So you can actually exert political pressure.

And my argument for people that or the candidates that aren't wanting to debate or not wanting to come on shows like ours is you might get publicly shamed for not. And I think that that's a huge leverage. for what the people can do is like if you if you're saying the easiest thing is like they won't even defend their ideas to be able and they won't but they want to represent you right so if it's if it's an actual sanction debate by like a chamber of commerce or something like that and they refuse to go shame that person for it we need a higher level of accountability for the people I agree less and don't get people passes I I 100% agree I'm not going to argue with you on anything you just

said. I agree. Like to me, um, if you're going to go into public office, if you're going to, if you're going to do certain things, it's like as long as you know, you got nothing high, well, not even as long as you got nothing high. It's like, I'm not going to ask you any tough questions. You can say, I don't know. Yeah. Right. Like that's a totally perfect answer. I don't know. Man, that's a tough question. It's, um, from a strategy point, if all you want to, well, if you want to win, I understand why they dip and dodge. Right. It's a And now in saying that, if either the Schmidt House, the SMP, whatever it is, you get to a point where you can push enough public at them saying they have to do it.

Yeah. That's a different story. That's what you're, I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah, absolutely. Because right now there's no accountable. Like I think of our own, in the Alberta election, God, I hope, Shane, I hope you listen to this. I'm talking about Getson, because I, or somebody else from the Alberta political spectrum, because I want to say that Rachel Notley

was one of very few people to show up to any debate. Like, the NDP just didn't put their people anywhere near a debate at all. So they didn't show up. And that should have been headline news everywhere. Yeah. But it kind of got swept under the rug because of whatever. And some people knew that,

but if you weren't paying attention, you didn't care and you voted for you. But, like, our NDP can, they never showed up. Yeah. And now I'm going to, like, throw myself on the grenade. that should have been opening news on the podcast. Like, did you realize the NDP candidate did not show up to the debate? Why would you ever vote one vote for that person?

You can love or hate what another person said, but your candidate didn't even show up. That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, and again, that's just the example of the establishment rot that we're trying to get away from, that we're on, that the general population, the useful idiots, as Stalin would say,

that they are just walking into a voter booth checking a box and not actually taking any responsibility for people that they're putting in office. And the politicians and the strategists know that. They feign on the level of ignorance of the general population. Like that's, it's no mystery to see what's going on. This game has been played for a very, very long time, you know. I did want to go back because I wanted to answer a couple of questions

specifically about the other parties as well while we're on this topic. So the Maverick Party. Maverick Party, I think that they were spawned out of something that was necessary at that point in time is they capitalized on the Western separation movement. Between Alberta and Saskatchewan, you know, Saskatchewan has a Buffalo Party. I'll talk about them in a second. The Maverick Party missed on one huge opportunity, and that was to be an interprovincial party. We shouldn't have Buffalo Party and Maverick.

We should have just had one, right? It should have been done at that level because the sovereignty issue is only going to happen at a provincial level. But what an interprovincial party could do, it operated very similar how the federal NDP kind of controls everything for the provincial ones, right? Is the Maverick Party could have controlled the Western separation movement for Manitoba, Saskatchew and BC or even the territories, right? To be able to spearhead that, you have a cohesive platform. And once those ideas become popular enough and you have the strength within your provincial legislatures, then you can rise in prominence, you know, federally and be able to push that, right? That's what I would have said would have been the better strategy for the Maverick party,

just because then when it comes time to actually separate or have a referendum, you have the strength of the West. By having the Maverick Party, and when I was driving up here, I'm like, holy shit, there's a ton of Maverick signs everywhere. But by having the Maverick Party is mathematically very difficult. If not, Iowa would actually say it's impossible to be able to shift the perspective on anything in Ottawa because Quebec has more seats than the West. Ontario has more seats than the West. So it doesn't matter if every single ML or MP was a Maverick MP.

It's not going to change anything because of the way that it's structured. They misunderstood how the system works. They had the right, I think, people and probably the right sentiment at that point in time, the Western separation coming off of 2019 and gaining that momentum that way. they were just misaligned on how to be able to win long term. They're focusing on the short term as big of trying to get someone elected. That's kind of my two sense on them. As far as like the SAS United Party goes, they are very active on social media. They have no follow it.

That's their problem. Buffalo Party is kind of the opposite. They don't do, they have no presence at all. If you see, if you get an email from SAS United, very professionally done, lots of really, really good info. It looks like I was typing an email to. my sister if what you're getting out of the Buffalo Party, right? Short, you know, here's a couple of things and, you know, there might be a couple spelling errors and different fonts in there, right? That's what you're getting from there. They have a little bit more of people behind them,

but they have no presence to be able to attract. And the Buffalo Party's biggest problem is after the 2020 election where they had lots of momentum, they died out and they stayed quiet until John's by-election, where I'm pretty sure that the only reason that Les Gilman got as many votes as he did is because I had the Buffalo Party on my podcast two weeks before the election. Well, I'm sure it helped. Because they got, I think, 86 votes. I would almost guarantee that half of them was due because of me. I have no way to prove that.

It's just purely speculation. But because I had the Buffalo Party on, at that point in time, it was one of my biggest viewed episodes. And that, I think, was a huge shift on how, because they did not play the game at all. I'm probably going to ask United was the first party to actually have a candidate ready to go and registered. So, yeah, they're doing different things. But I think where the Sask United Party, where the Sask United Party, I think, trumps the Buffalo Party is they are able to cast a wider net. I think they need to stay away from the conservative branding. I've brought that up to them. There's people that they're going to want to attract that will vote ABC, anything but conservative.

And if they have that strong conservative branding instead of something like a united front, like a sovereign party or a patriot party or something like that, they're missing out on that swath, where the Buffalo Party still has maybe a little bit of the separatist mentality as far as like the point of view from the voters, and they sat on their hands for two years before, two and a half years before doing anything. You catch me as a guy who's paying attention.

So if you're sitting in the Saskia United Boardroom, okay, let's just say you get a seat at the table, and they turn to you and say, okay, we need to create more reach, we need to find a way to appeal to voters. And nothing's off the table. There's just nothing. We can do whatever we want. We can say whatever we want because they're going to label us that anyways.

Yeah. What would you do? Like, what are some suggestions you'd throw at them? Well, the first thing I would ditch the conservative branding. It's like you see this even with the People's Party. It's like we are the only conservative choice because they're trying to point the point of view that the CPC is not conservative, which they're on. I think the SAS United is also trying to do the same thing.

They're not wrong. The SaaS party is left of center. They're the combination between progressive conservatives, whatever that means, and the liberals, right? So when you're looking at that, you're like, yes, they are left of center, but pointing that out isn't going to convert their base because their base thinks that they're conservatives. You're not really offering anything, any option there. So I think ditching the conservative branding would be one. I think some type of soft rollout as far as like the sovereignty issue goes is.

is point the fingers at the United Nations and the world health, the world health organization, the world economic forum, like the people that are the real bond villains in this game. I think that would also be the thing. They don't have to go as staunchly as someone like Mark Friesen is because I think to a certain extent Mark Friesen probably scares people away. We kind of need to spoon feed some people to be able to get them, you know, heading in the right direction,

whereas Mark's kind of like shotgun blast of the face type of a type of action. You know, like I appreciate what he's done. he's woken up a lot of people. I've talked to Mark a bunch, actually. But it's like that that method only works for people like me, right? And my initial criticism of the Saskia United Party was that they weren't doing that. But I didn't understand that, like, I was trying to be like, where is a party that I could get behind or is going to have my ideals? And I was critical of Sask United because I was wanting them to fit that mold.

But what I was ignoring is the fact that they're trying to, they're not, they're not looking for me. They're going to assume that I'm going to be sitting there waiting. They're trying to attract a different people, right? Which in hindsight is probably a better way is to ease into it and be able to make it more palatable for people that are still, you know, they're awake, but they aren't out of bed yet, right? So I think that that's one element to it as well is, you know, start getting a little bit more vocal about who the real problems are

because there are people that are understanding that. And it's seeming every single day once you start pulling on one thread of what's happening within Canada. All roads lead to United Nations and goals of sustainable development. So that would be one thing. The other thing is stop trying to take, no, this is stop trying to take credit for shifting the perspective. You only have one MLA in there right now.

And I think some of the things that they have been trying to push the SaaS party to do, has kind of bit them in the ass a little bit. Specifically around the notwithstanding clause, the use of that, the SAS United Party was actually trying to pressure Scott Moe into invoking it. I thought that was a very, very bad move. It's one of those Sun Tzu things. Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake. And I think that the whole way that that whole specific issue went for Scott Moe in the SAS party

could have only ended badly for them. But by the SAS United Party trying to push, the use of the notwithstanding clause and taking credit for it and seeing worship, the ones that are shifting the perspective, now made it a little bit easier for them to critique you for making a judgment error because I believe that's what it was and I believe that that's what it's going to come out to be once people understand the lack of teeth that that Bill 137 has and the use of the notwithstanding clause, in my opinion, is just authoritarianism. I don't care who uses it or who suggests it. It's authoritarian in its nature. So I would

probably say that is like try to try to blaze your own trail um rather than trying to piggyback on what a bad government is doing and saying like we we shifted that perspective it's like you don't want to shift the sass party's perspective you want to please blaze your own trail so i think between and right and right now to blaze your own trail feels relatively easy doesn't it i mean it's uncomfortable for sure but like overall there's just so many hot topic issues you can just point to well and it's not just that it's like again this is a problem with conservatives is they want to be loved by people that hate them it's like they're they're still trying to like you know we we got to try to break into the mainstream meter we have to be popular with this person or we can't say this because this person is going to think poorly of me I think it's misguided I think the conservative is saying like this is this is what we stand for we've crossed the Rubicon we're not going back this is where we stand instead of trying to show shift to try to attract people and keep moving the Overton window saying this is who we are, this is what we believe, and hopefully the people by expressing those ideas will come to you.

The People's Party does that very well. Their biggest downfall is the propaganda in the media that is able to slam the right across the board, right? Some of the hardships the PPC has is, I think it had to have been the 2021 election. Because this really, well, I don't know, unnerved me, I guess, irritated. I don't know the right word. In the official debate over in Ontario, wherever the hell it was, they had everybody up there except for the PPC.

And I was like, you know, I'm not sitting here saying I love what Maxine brings to the table across the board. But I think he should be in that conversation, especially if you're going to have the Green Party, which made zero sense. Or the block. Or the block. The block in the middle of it said, I give my time to somebody else, and I'm going to be prime minister anyways. It's like, why embarrass ourselves like that?

At least Maxime wants to be prime minister. At least, you know, his popular vote is, is it as high as the NDP, the liberals, or the conservatives? No. But it's higher than you'd think. And at the time, like, you're going like, and he's facing every backlash under the sun, give him a seat at the table. They don't want that.

I mean, it's no different the conservative party. Like, I see the same arm or same hand doing the same little magic trip where it's like, well, we removed Grant Abraham, we moved Joseph Pargo and we moved, what was the other one, Brown, I think, from Ontario. I think there was three get removed in the race.

And it's like, well, you want it to be this like nice, proper debate. Well, we're in a fight for our lives. I'd like to have the best. And if Pierre's it, so be it. But like, it's just, it's so. coordinated. There's a reason why we all don't tune into it. Do I love the American debate between Newsom and, uh, oh, the guy from Florida folks. Why may my? Des Santos. No, it was a bit ridiculous.

But at least they were throwing punches, right? They were actually saying some things. It was ridiculous at times, but at least they were having something out. Was it perfect? Was it the greatest thing? No. But Canada's the complete opposite. It's like, we're just going to say the right, you know, we're going to do, and we're going to frame it. It's just like, this sucks. You know, and so 2021, when Maxim wasn't on the stage, I was like, I was pretty frustrated. I was actually, I was beyond fresh.

This is ridiculous. And at the time, I don't even want to vote PPC, but by you holding them away from them, it becomes like, I'm paying attention to that, but there's like, ah. But then you feel helpless because, like, what can you do? What can you do? Yeah. And you know that's a system, you know, as much as I say, it's strategy not to engage in certain debates, it's a strategy by them to, to hold, withhold, Maxx,

seem take the flack but nobody gets to see him and on it goes yeah but and that's and that's where I mean is like if you look at the way that the ret the other parties the establishment does things and Scott Moe for sure was guilty of this especially during COVID um it's all polls they'll put out a question and see which way the wind blows and they're like that's the director we're going to go because we're going to get X amount of voters from doing this and then we're going to go here and then we're going to go it is whereas like I think the the benefit of the PPC and what the SAS United probably could probably do is plant their flag say here's our values here's what we believe in and if you agree with us please come on this journey with us and rather than

shifting left and saying okay we're going to go this way yeah and then those people own us we don't want to be owned by other people we want to be able to say here's the things that we believe in if you agree please come with us you know it's leading from the front rather than chasing whatever carrot And I think that that's where people are just willing and complacent to accept that from the people that are supposed to represent them. It's a huge short-sightedness in Canadian. And aren't we all looking for that? I certainly am. You know, I was thinking about this on the way up because I was driving through Saskatoon, and I played three years of football for the Saskatoon Hilltops.

in a very formative time in my life, I had Tom Sargent as my coach. I'm not sure if you've heard. Great name, but I don't know enough. No. Great name. Well, the Hilltop just won their 23rd championship, their national championship.

But if you could, I'd try to get him on, you'll have a really interesting conversation with him. Can we align that? I haven't been in touch with Sarge for years, but honestly, if you, if you reach out to him, I'm sure you might take your... I tell you what, folks. Let's see if we can't get to them, sir.

A great name, two, some sports on this thing? Yeah, I'd take that. So Sarge had a level of, as far as anybody that I had been coached by, a level of standard and what was acceptable by the players within the locker room that I'd never, ever experienced before. He was a very, very strong leader. And that really attracted me to him. And Sarge gave me an opportunity to play football when nobody else.

what I was cut from every other team that I tried out for for multiple years. And then finally found myself on the hilltops won three national championships. But I was thinking about playing there when I was driving through Saskatoon this morning. And the level of acceptance for mediocrity was zero. And the goal was every single thing you did, whether it was pushups or running 40s at practice or doing drills and, you know, even like your downs during the game, every single thing had only one goal in mind, and that was to win a national championship. You know, lots of teams, if you win your conference, you get a ring, not with the hilltops. If you lose that last game, you don't get jack shit.

You failed at your goal. Every single year is to make the graduating players graduate as champions. And the whole entire culture was set up and developed that way to just breed champions. And it's been completely like a runaway success under Sarge's leadership within that. within that program. It's the most winning football program in all of Canada. Why haven't you had them on? You know what?

I don't know why. You know, like, do I want to have them on? 100%. I love what you're talking about. It brings back memories of different hockey coaches I've had. Yeah.

And how they've shaped my life. But I mean, like, here's a guy that, you know, take the politics out of it and just leadership. Listen, leadership, we need that more than ever now. Like, if you, if you are a fan of, like,

Wickewilling or David Goggins or just like some of those bad asses. He's cut the same cloth. Exact same clause. Like the acceptance for mediocrity is just not. I remember I think this was my, this was my second year on the hilltops. And he said opening game like to every single one, he told our All Star, Canadian All Star running back. He said if you put, if you put a ball on the deck, you're benched for the rest of the season. And we're about, I would say about halfway through the third quarter and our running back put, put the ball on the

ground, fumbled the ball, and walked straight to the bench, walked right past Sarge, and Sarge said, you know your spot. And he sat on the bench the rest of the game. He came back in the fourth quarter and Sarge said, are you going to do that again? And he said, no, and he didn't fumble the rest of the season. That level of accountability is something that I don't think many people are comfortable with anymore. We've been so, it's just been, life has been too easy. Well, I mean, I got to, next week, ooh, I'm excited for this. I got three military guys coming in, right? Been talking to Chuck Pradnik way too much and I just really

enjoys brain and I got Jamie Sinclair and he's going to regal us with stories I'm sure folks. He's just got a memory for Canadian military history like nobody's business and then Willie McDonnell is coming in as well and he's got like one of the most amazing stories of fighting way

too many guys and on and on and I sent them a text because I've been shared the Canadian military is going to have feminine products in the the men's bathroom. And I'm like, I can't wait to get there. You know, because they come from a time in the Canadian military

where it's the same as what Sarge is putting to you guys. Like there's just no bullshit. Yeah. Now our military is like the bullshit's allowed all the time. It's like we've gone completely woke. We've gone completely upside down. And that isn't how the military function. Honestly, in a good sports team, I'm not saying you need to be abusive about it.

But like structure is what a team needs to function. Yeah. Well, actually, just kind of side note, I had Tom Marazo on on Saturday, and then I have Alex Cabana and another vet on Tuesday. Sure. So I love talking to the military guys because it's their brains are just wired different. And like if you play like to a high standard of athletics, like what the hilltops are, there is, I think a lot of overlap in the mentality. And that's actually something that the Rock said, he said that it was either, I was either going to play football or join the military. because that's the way that, like, my brain works,

and that's what I was designed to do. And I think that there is a big overlap there. But, yeah, like, just to go kind of close out on the hilltops thing, it's like the, the, during my early 20s, when I was playing there, I was very formulative for who I was going to become, had I not actually experienced that level of, um, accountability from what, the level of the standard that Sarch set for the team and for the players, like you weren't going to,

half-ass a rep because you had to look the player next to you and you know they kept you accountable you know what i mean and um i think that that level of discipline i think has carried me through to now it's where it's like i look back on that and had that not happened i don't think i would be the same person um if i didn't experience that i think i had elements of it but was sergeant really brought that out of me um and that's probably why i'm so critical i think um you know we should be the most critical around the people in our close circle because those are the people that you're supposed to be able to rely on when the shit hits the fan, right?

And it doesn't matter. Like not to a mean, you don't have to be mean about it. But you have to say, like, here's the standard of what we need to be doing and you need to hit that mark, you know? And then the further and more disconnected people get from that, the less that accountability means.

And then that's how we have a, you know, a government and government, sorry, that are completely running. amok with everything because there's nobody saying, hey, this is the standard for my household, this is the standard for my neighborhood, this is the standard for my town, you know, and then Ottawa is just pissing everything away. Now, well, I think that's why you come back to Jordan Peterson, you know, clean up your room first.

Yeah. If you can't clean up your room, how are you going to clean up society, right? Yeah. And then you just take little steps, little steps, little steps. And pretty soon you can start to enact change on a larger scale, but you got to take care of yourself first and onwards it goes out. You know, when you talk about a sergeant that way, it just brings up so many memories of Larry Wintoniak. Some people hated him.

And, man, he was just the right person at the right time for my life and where it was going. And it just took it from this course and just directed it, the complete opposite way. And if Larry's listening, you know, I've been in touch with him to get him back on because I think talking about leadership, you know, and what we're wanting out of whether it's city counselors all the way to the prime minister, So we just, a lot of us are just looking for leadership we can trust, right? And that's speaking to difficult issues and not sidestepping questions and not bullying people and not on and on and on and on and on this goes. It just won't end.

Like, where is it a leadership, you know? I joked, Pierre Bulli have all we wanted to, imagine conservatives. They're looking for a leader, they're looking for a leader. And all he had to do is eat an apple. And everybody went running. I'm like, that's all it took. One apple. That's how easy it is to be a conservative politician at this point.

Right? I mean, that's all we need. We just need somebody to just eat an apple. But that also breeds the low expectation of, what is it? It's the soft bigotry of low expectations. That's what that breeds, though, is if your only standard is that he was able to talk to an idiot reporter that had no idea what he was talking about

and eat an apple at the same time, well, you know what, I'm pretty sure my three-year-old could do that, honestly, if that's the low standard that you have for your conservative leadership. And like not to not to say that you know if this is the way that you you know you vote and and this is what you see is just like this external perspective of who that person is. You know, someone like Polyev, he made $9 million or something. No, he made $14 million or $60 million or something like that last year. As a politician, where's that money coming from, you know?

And then you learn of tons of other corruption of where like Trudeau's funneling stuff to the Arrivecan app, which was apparently it just came out that. that resource was in the works before COVID even started. But he had like $4 million or $400,000 or something. I can't remember the number directly into his organizations and stuff like that. It's like the political rot is so ugly and disgusting. It's like the tip of the iceberg and there's so much worse underneath. But if your standard is he can eat an apple and make fun of a reporter at the same time, like we're in trouble. We just need people to engage.

Yeah. And engagement is just, it's it's not like you got to change your entire life round. It's not like you get to go run to every political event. No, for sure. But nobody has time. And that's another reason on why it's like we got to this point is like, you didn't have to go to 10 different political events a week,

but maybe just pay attention to what your political, and your political representative is saying. That could be huge. Or, you know, like, there's some wonderful people putting on political events. Maybe reach out and say, hey, would you come do that here? Because like our community could use. seeing whether it's Maxime Bernier or Daniel Smith or I don't know now now you know the list goes on you know like there's different ways to do it like it's been interesting here in Lloyd it with three

young kids I haven't been able to make it to as much as I'd like to because it seems like there's people coming in now more and more and I'm finding out like last minute or or maybe the week before I'm going to I can't make that anyways but it's been interesting because there's a lot going on right now. I see it. It seems like the pace of things picking up and people coming through and talking to a group. So if there was ever a time to engage, I don't think you got to do too much. You know, you flick on, get a couple email, get on a couple email lists and all of a sudden you're going to find out like, holy crap, there's a ton of people coming around our communities trying to spread the good word. And engaging with them is probably going to start opening up some dialogue,

some conversation, et cetera, and you just never know where that goes. Well, I don't even think it needs to be like a political party or anything like that too. No, no God, no. There's lots of good grassroots organizations that are talking about lots of this stuff. And just like, like I know, I was on it, I forget it was like Alberta first or Alberta something. They just kind of like started up. I think it was kind of like a merger of a couple groups. And I went on their webinar and they were talking about lots of good things and it's all

centered on the same thing. It's like we need to take this battle to our school boards and to our local representatives and stuff like that. And I think one thing that if you're looking, especially in a small town because their resources aren't as good, your chief office administrators, they have a lot of power and they do a lot of work behind the scenes that go unnoticed. But I'm going to say that in a bad way. because if you have these people that are infiltrated with any type of ideology or and the you know this i think is where lots of like the globalist ideas are actually kind of sprouted or planted is because these people are often unchecked they're just like a you know a regular civil servant they're they're just working they're hired by your your rm or your um your town council your city council but those are the positions to actually watch because they're enacting lots of the stuff day to day functions that maybe you're a lot of the stuff day functions that maybe you're a lot of elected representatives aren't, aren't even doing, right? That's a, that's a really big spot to watch is, it's not even just the politicians that are the problem. It's the people that work for, for the

government at the bureaucratic state, which is ever expanding as well. Like, there, there's a lot of problems. So if you think that even just, you know, changing a politician or, you know, say, I'm going to, I'm going to lead the charge and I'm going to be the one to do it, there's still a lot of elements that are kept, that those people are kind of kept into the dark. They might have their staff. rappers reading bills and say, yep, checkbox and then they go vote for it on the floor, right? They're not the one that's actually reading it. So it's like the level of accountability just goes so much further than that too. Not to kind of derail that, but it's like this is where it's like it seems like an insurmountable battle. But align yourself with organizations and it doesn't

have to be some big political group. It could be smaller ones that are just wanted to have a better change with your local community that will, I think, go a long way. If everybody took the responsibility to be able to do that, one by one, things would change. Well, I mean, if you started hearing winds coming, just think of, think of Lucrete in Alberta. They were the ones who kicked AHS out. No, that was a quiet story, but I mean, it's ballooned into more than that. And then you hear of different communities doing different things and you're like, what are they doing over there?

And if we had more of those communities doing things like that. And didn't Fort Mac kick out the RCMP? I don't know. I thought that's what it. Fort Mac. Somebody tell me. Yeah. By all me, I hadn't heard that.

I don't know. Yeah. I think they, to my understanding, is they kicked out the, I think two months ago, maybe October. I don't know. That's what I thought. I thought it was Fort Mac. Somebody, somebody knows this story. Somebody's going to, somebody, if you're thinking a text in the story or you got the news article or whatever, shoot it to me.

That way we can get to the bottom of that. Yeah, it's something like that. And they're going to do their own municipal one. They kicked out the RCMP because they didn't trust them. Interesting. Yeah, there's something along those lines. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that that's what I read. It was a good.

Well, we'll find out one way or another, won't we, folks? there's a lot of folks listening across Alberta and somebody is going to know the story because that's way too big of a story to miss. And yet sitting here, I'm like, well, I don't remember talking about it on the mashup. I don't remember hearing anything about it, which is strange.

But I guess, you know, in our world, some days, you know, like the strange never gets talked about. You know, like I've been following Vigilant Fox on Twitter. And I love what he puts out or whoever puts out the 10 news articles that nobody. what he's talking about. And I'm like, yeah, that's smart. Like, honestly, like, oh, there's, there's the headlines that are big. And if you, if you pay attention, you know, there's just this level of engagement. You just pay attention enough. You can start to see what the heck is going

on. You don't have to engage your entire life around it. And I think that I've certainly tried to do that because it's like, I see, I see things that are popular in my world. And it's really easy for me to notice them and understand what's going on. But for For someone that doesn't, you know, go to the dark places of the internet, they're going to miss out on some of those things. But it's even, it's very difficult to even sound like you're not crazy by just saying even something. Like I, I had turned a lot of people like that I talked to specifically around the gun control bill, Bill 117 in Saskatchewan. You've turned them off of what you do because of what you're doing? No, no, no.

Like I've turned, I've turned them onto the level of understanding that it's going to do. Oh, a level one. I got you. Yeah, yeah. But it's like those are people that probably just read the headline. and thought it was good, but then all of a sudden, tuned into my podcast and we're like, oh, shit, that that's not what it actually is, you know, and I've directed people. I said, hey, you know, I talk about it on this episode. What's an unpopular opinion then you have right now

that's been irritating people? Um, I would say the parental rights bill. I've talked to, and, you know, lots of these conversations don't even, it's not even just my podcast. It's me just conversing with people in real life. Um, the, the parental rights bill, I've had a lot of backlash and the people that I associate with about my opinion on that, specifically around the notwithstanding clause, because they feel that it's like anything that we can do to protect kids is what we should do at this point in time. And I'm just like, that's fine if you want to win a battle,

but I would rather win the war. I think that's more important. I'm thinking long term. I'm not thinking about a little win along the way. I'm like, what is going to be the net benefit to everybody in, you know, five years? I believe that this is a loss purely because, well, we already know that Scott Moe's not going to enforce anything, right? So it's like me saying that did annoy a lot of people and a couple of people.

And I had one of them on my podcast a couple weeks ago. And she was just saying it's like, we have to be able to play this game and be able to, you know, put a little bit of a roadblock and making it more difficult. I'm like, I don't want a roadblock. I want to bulldoze it. You know what I mean? Like I don't want their side having any sense of win because that's the like the slippery slope that the people kind of get trapped into it's like the little concession here little concession here

little concession here and then you pave the road for something that's way way worse and that you walked yourself into or it's like you're building yourself a prison brick by brick and you're saying you know this is is what we're going to do here this is what we're going to do here and all this sudden you have a complete room surrounded you and you didn't even realize that you laid the foundation for it so it's it's that one was a really big one and just purely where i said i was like we shouldn't be using authoritarianism let's let it play out in courts because we're going to learn a lot by the way that it turns out in court because we're going to learn if we can even trust the SAS party on this. Okay. We're also going to learn if we're going to be able to

trust our judicial system as well. And we're also going to learn how crazy the progressives are and what they actually want to push because this will all have to come up in evidence in the court. Why not let that play out? Sure, we want to stop this, but let's stop it from a culture perspective. Let's not use authoritarianism to be able to do it. If we shift to the perspective in culture, we can win this battle without having any type of legislation. What the SAS party wanted to do was completely ignore that aspect of it. They wanted to just come in with the policy and here's what we're going to do, make it look like a win.

And then now it's all for not because we still have a court case. The notwithstanding clause was used. So there's a level of authoritarianism that I'm sure freedom minded conservatives were probably upset when Justin Trudeau did it. But all of a sudden Scott Moe does something like that and it's okay. And then we don't know who we can trust. We don't know what the arguments are. We don't know where those people sit. All of that could have come out in the wash in a very productive way,

but we completely ignored it. Well, I appreciate you coming in and doing this, man. Appreciate a Saskatchewan podcaster. You know, I'm kind of like this weird guy with, you know, being in the border city, a guy with a foot in each province, you know? And it's cool because I'm sure there's more of you than I know, and I've probably talked to a few, you know. it's just funny.

I actually, you know, of the podcast I've listened to where I've like, man, that was, that was phenomenal. And I feel like I'm short-changing somebody here, so I don't want to just single you out or not include all of them. But I'm like, I go back to the Dene interview on Soji, and I'm like, if you haven't listened to that, that's a fun, not a fun. Fun is probably not the right one. But it's well done to like, wow, this really breaks it down really crystal clear. And my hat's off to you. And, you know, with the kids and everything and trying to make go of it and finding the time and the energy and everything else, I certainly know all about that because your journey was and is my journey, right? Sitting here three kids under seven and it used to be three kids under four and trying to will my way to pushing this against a world that, you know, is constantly censoring and making sure that, you know, we're not being found as easily as, you know, I think the content should.

Right? Like, I mean, there's a lot of great content out there that people are searching for and want to hear about. But it makes, it's really difficult. Like, it is really, really difficult to break out of kind of a little bit of the independent prison we're all stuck in. So my hat's off to you because I think we need more of it. Like in Canada, specifically on Canadian content. You know, I don't know how many times I've got to say, like Tucker and Alex Jones, unreal. I think it's just unreal.

I want more of that. But it'd be cool to have Tucker, you know, when he comes to. Alberta, do an Alberta podcast tour and support some of these people. You know, like, I mean, how much would that help all of us? It would help us all. And what are we trying to do here? We're trying to eliminate where we're going as a country. And I don't know how to get in the room to be like, you know, if I could sit and be a, someone sitting at the table with whether it's his team or whoever's team is like, this needs to happen. This needs to happen like two years ago. But now we're starting to see all these people pop up.

And sure, are our followings as big as Joe Rogan or, I don't know, Theo Vaughn, right? All these guys, right? It's like, well, no, the answer is no, not even remotely close. First, they got a population that is 10 times the size of our country, but then just take Alberta and Saskatchewan, our populations are minuscule. So, like, you know, it's different. But, like, if you want to help stop what's going on here in Canada, like, we need to get some, we need to breathe some oxygen into the, the flames that are slowly building.

Don't get me wrong. Like, we're, we're about to hit a million downloads for the calendar year of 2023. I think that's super cool. I don't know what to do with that number. I think it's super cool. Yeah. But like, it hasn't come, it's come with a lot of elbow grease, man. Like, it has not been as easy as, uh, just having a circuit. And I'm not saying they have a circuit, but I probably do. It's just to be nice if we had a circuit, you know? Yeah, I would agree. That would be super interesting to be able to do. I know I've talked with a bunch of like other people and it's like everyone's kind of like yeah, that would be awesome, but how do you do it? Like it's, we are so money. Well, exactly. And it's like, then who's going to back it? And then it kind of

goes back to that thing that I was talking about before. It's like, then you're behest to someone else. And that's not, I think anybody in this space or at least the people that I've associated with, we don't want that. You know, then it just breeds the establishment. It goes back to the, what if, what if, hey, and you know how the audience knows I love just throwing new ideas out and then it's going to spark on something and it'll probably go nowhere but you never know it's like well i don't know what if what if uh 20 of us two of us no no it'd have to be more not larger in two what if what if i don't know if it's go fund me i don't i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know spitball what if a group of us put together a page that was like a go fund me

that the entire thing was about funding an idea to bring in uh podcast yes on a circuit or something along that lines. So now it's crowdfunded. You'd pay basically Jordan Peterson's flights, hotel stay and some extra cash for his time to be able to hit your show, my show, blah, all the way down there. Sure.

I don't know. I'm just like, I look at it and I go like, the audience wants to help. They go, how do we help you? And I go, I don't know. I wish I could get Jordan Peterson. I got his hand. Folks, he's been on the podcast, just his hand.

Anyways. And you go, well, why won't he come on? I don't know. He's one of the busiest guys under the sun right now is probably the good reason. And he goes like, I need to go on Rogan and I need to go on all these huge podcasts to expand my reach so I can get bigger. And so they can work on this arc idea that he's doing with all these nations. And you're like, so we're just not on the same level. But it's like, okay, so what attracts attention? I'll tell you what attracted Tucker Carlson and come to Alberta, money.

So then people are hearing that and they're like, well, it's all about money. It's like, well, no, I'm not saying I'm like, I'm not. saying I'm like I'm just saying how do you get the big speakers how do you get the content you want yeah it's like well money and don't get me wrong look at the the content uh and i'll speak to myself i look at 2023 in particular the the guest list that i'm slowly accumulating is getting better and better and i assume zach for yourself it'll be the same thing and anyone else that started i look at trish woods guest list and some of the people she's had on i'm like man that's that's fun right there like she has accumulated a uh an audience

or a list that's really fun. I don't have the answer. And maybe if I cleared it up a little bit better, I could approach everyone and be like, listen, if we all combined just to raise a pot of money, I don't know, this might be a terrible idea, that all of a sudden brings somebody into, let's say, Saskatoon, for argument's sake.

You fly in Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson, whoever. And instead of staying just for one show, they have it in the signed agreement that the next two days you stay, it's a list of podcasters. They all have to come to Saskatoon in order to do it. You get so much time and et cetera, et cetera.

It's like, is that, it's a junket. Is this not, like, am I not speaking about what, I feel like if I go back to my sports days when I was interviewing all the Tim McAuliffs and all the guys from sports net, one of them was Cabby Richards. And he was talking about junkets where they go to a place

and they get like five minutes with, you know, who knows, some Brad Pitt or whoever, right? Yeah. And you go, well, I'd want to, want longer than five minutes, that's the problem with what we do. You know, that's long form. It's long form. But in saying that, would you take half an hour of Jordan Peterson?

Yeah. And would five others? Probably. Yeah. Right? And would it benefit the area to have some speaker come in and pay to get tickets? And I don't know. It's,

I don't know if it's all there. I just go like, you foster these ideas and you try and figure out what works. Because like, I think there's a huge audience that wants to see that content come to Canada. I think the people that need to come to Canada just don't realize it, and the way they can is probably money in the pockets. Yeah, and it certainly would help so many different people.

And it's like progress the conversations that we're trying to have and the truth that we're trying to get out there. Because of they are who they are, it would help that so much more, you know. And I do think, like, this is why I've been, like, I was fine doing my podcast, you know, having my friends on or whoever. Sure. I'm completely humble in the fact that I know, like, I was happy with five listsers.

I'm happy with 500. I'll be happy with 5,000, you know. I'm not trying to scale up just for clicks or anything like that. But what I do want, what I do know is that you get better, better guess, those bigger names, the bigger your show is.

100%. So that's why I'm... The better the quality you have, it's going to propel you. Exactly. And like that's my big push to try to get subs and stuff like that is to be able to bring in some of those bigger name people to build, even just in can't,

in Canada within the political space here too. So if you can take a look at my, my podcast, my following, you know, my social media and stuff like that. When that grows, a person would be more inclined to do my show. And I think that that's where I think I need a little bit of help with to be able to get that going because I want to have these conversations with people. I want to expose these ideas. I want to be able to approach everybody who's running in my riding and say, I want

an interview with each of you to be able to ask the same 10 questions. you know, you got an hour to be able to cover all of them, whatever the case may be, to be able to give the people, you know, a fighting chance on understanding when they cast their ballot who they're actually voting for. That's one of my goals for next year. But I can't do that with, you know, 600 and some followers that I have right now. I need to be able to scale that up to a lot more to be able to say, like, yes, this person's worth my time on doing.

And I know we kind of talked about a little bit of the same thing when you're on my show. But I think that that's, that's something that needs to come. and those big names would like springboard so many good creators to that level. Yeah. It's, um, well, I'll say this. The thing that has, has helped me to where I am right now. And by no means am I where I want to be. I want to get like further along.

But, uh, the consistency thing, you know, is just, you know, what does Jocco say? He says discipline equals freedom. Yeah. And I just think there's no replacement for consistency. see like you know like you just oh it goes another episode i've learned that no one episode will ever make a person and no one episode will ever sink the ship so like you know once upon a time don cherry came on and i had this idea i'm like holy crap here we go that didn't happen i had this guy named paul bisinette which i think everybody knows you know and i'm like whole here we go it didn't

happen and i'm hmm it's just consistent you just have to consistently build and get better and on and on and on on. And, you know, that's, that's all it is. And, you know, like, I think we all start, do we not all start the same way? I started with a good friend, my dad, and the sound guy that helped me start the podcast. That was my first street. And then a community pillar in Shep who passed away this year. And so, yeah, Shep was, man, that was, that was a fun interview. Still remember that like it was yesterday. But that was my first four. Yeah. You know, like, uh, and it, somehow, in this weird world you know

you have premier Daniel Smith coming on again and I'm like this is strange like I feel like I'm out of you know like this is strange and yet the consistency is built to where she feels hopefully comfortable coming on and we'll see how it goes I can't guarantee that it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread

but it is the premier of Alberta and I think you know when I look at across the table I go like you keep putting in the work and keep having some hits like Dene where it just goes, you know, I don't know if that went viral for you or not, but like, to me, that was a really good. And listen, I've talked about it six times now. It was really, really good if you want to understand Soji. If you want to understand what Soji is just an easy way to break it down. Done. It's like perfect. Well, and that's the one of the weird things for me and it happened

starting a little bit over the summer, but it was definitely after I had Denae on. It was like, I was being recognized at freedom events. People would come up to me and listen to your podcast. Oh, I recognize you from somewhere. Do you have a podcast? Like, it was, Like things like that, which I was like, okay, there's something, there's something to it. You know, I'm able to twist the knob a little bit more and crank it up a little bit heavier and stuff like that. Just because of the impact on that single episode had on people within the province and the places that I've gone. Well, they took a very, you took a very confusing and I'm going to give a lot of credit to Dene here. And I'll give a lot of credit for you for just stepping out of the way and letting her do her thing.

That's hopefully what we get to do here lots, right? but you took a very complex, which isn't that complex, but to me, soji, I'm like, what is what is that? And how are they getting in? I thought it wasn't in. And she just lays it out so beautifully. You're like, oh, huh. And that's what you, like, I don't know, as a guy who's going to give up two hours of my time

to go listen to something like that, most people are, have a hard time, three minutes, right? Like two hours. And once upon a time, there was no sources of good quality information, right? That's why everybody stumbled. to Joe at some point and went, wow, this is amazing. But think about it. Think of how many great shows slash podcasters slash places to find your information from there are now.

A ton. Yeah. And they're all having great guests on and really challenging your thoughts to be like, hmm, that's something. And I got to think about that, right? And if you gain, you know, like, if you gain anyone doing that, that's a, like, wow, like thank you for giving me the time. I can't say it enough about my audience, right?

Like, I lean on him so heavily with the text line to just, like, text me all the time. Sometimes it's uncomfortable. Sometimes I do not like the text. Sometimes I don't answer it for a couple days because it blows up. And I'm like, the heck do I do with this, right? Like, you know, I can feel my right now as we're talking. It's just like every two minutes, it beeps again. I'm like, oh, man, what am I going to do with that?

But, I mean, at the same time, it could be quiet, too. I don't know what to do with that either when nobody's interacting with a guest coming on. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that it's when things go quiet, I'd be more freaked out, honestly. Like, that would be, I think, a point where it's like, what caused that, you know, where I don't have that level of interaction? And that's why I actually really do, like, doing the live streams is because you're getting comments and the side and, you know, you can interact with your, with the people that are,

your audience, that are consistent. I hate the, well, I don't hate. I shouldn't say I hate. I'm not a big fan of the live streams because my, my, I have a hard enough time focusing. my brain wants to run a thousand miles an hour. And if I get the mashups we do live, right? And you can see the comments coming out. And I'm like, oh, do I got to go look at it now?

And if I do, then it's taking me off with what the person's saying. I'm cool. I prefer no distractions. Yeah. Yeah. And I get that. I'm not set up for that. It would take, yeah, like I'd have to grow a lot to where I'd be comfortable in doing

something like that, like a more in studio stuff. I've done it before and it's just, it's a lot of work. I do like the live streams. because it compresses my time. Sure, because it just releases and it's done. Exactly. So I like that. But I do, I really do appreciate my audience because it's like,

I want to, I want to try to, as much as I made, like I said out when I started my podcast, I'm like, I want to make this show for me. I want to make it something that I would tune into. 100%. The Schmidt House podcast is for Zach Schmidt, first and foremost. But I also want to make it something that my guests wanted to,

or my audience wants to tune into. week after week because they know that they're going to get you know something from it or the person that i'm going to have on is going to give this information um and i do like having the chat there so i can get you know real-time feedback and and stuff like that um to where i was like oh this person's asking or wondering about this i can bring that in and into the conversation as well you know i think there's value in that too it's almost like um because i've had i've had this experience before too is where i've been at like a freedom event and it's like um you get in a conversation a one-on-one conversation like we're having right now and then there's a circle of people around us right

observing what we're talking about. I've actually said I'm like, this was just like doing a live podcast. My audience is there. I have my guests across the table. And that's what it was like. I do feel a little bit of an element of that one where I'm doing my live streams because it's like then the people are there. They're interacting. And that makes it a different level of enjoyment. And like I said, mostly just does compress time. That's why I like live streams too. Well, who do you got, who's next on the Schmidt House? You mentioned Tom Razzo's coming up. No, he was on Saturday. Oh, he was on Saturday.

Yeah, we had a really good conversation about the Freedom Convoy that was, and the Canadian military too, and then about his book, because there's, I think there's still a perception about the Freedom Convoy that isn't truthful. And I try to have on, whenever I have a guest on that went to the Freedom Convoy. Don't you think, sorry to hop in, don't you think if you haven't figured it out by now, like you're never going to figure it out? Or do you think the people are slowly still waking up to the fact that the Freedom Convoy wasn't terrible thing you don't know what I'll say about that the freedom convoy might not might not be

that it might not be showing them that it might be something else that brings them into noticing that and then they flip the switch but I don't think you can convince them with that knowledge right so that that would be maybe why but I do like having people on that we're there just to have that perspective when someone's like and there's nothing like hearing somebody else talk about their experience there because everybody has a same but different alt the same time, right? Exactly. And I mean, Tom Razzal was in the room making the decisions too.

Yeah. And there is, like on that one, because I had talked with a friend of mine who had gone back and forth with him on some stuff during the convoy. And I had, I'm like, hey, I'm having Tom on, what would you, what would you ask him? And there's a question that I had completely set up. And I had separated it out from like the other topics that I wanted to touch upon for that reason. I thought Tom was a really good guest.

and we talked about a lot of good things, and I didn't want to derail it to be, like, super critical. But there is a question specifically around a, what was his name, Rick, Rick Sorelli, who was at that point in time, an Ottawa counselor, who actually wanted to meet with the Freedom Convoy. And to my understanding from what my friend claims, is that he had set up the meeting and arranged for the conversation, and Tom Marazzo said no.

There was one question that I was really struggling, with him being able to ask him because I was like is this going to derail everything is this going to cause a big disruption i'm getting a really good vibe off of tom right now if i throw this question in and how is that going to change the conversation you know what i mean so i was hesitant to ask that question regarding around that but um there's still so much more to uncover and i think there's even levels of accountability if you look like a guy like b j dictor um still a lot of stuff that i think needs to come out of the wash from from the freedom corps side of things as well as much as it is good to say like this was the, you know, the most patriotic thing in Canadian history,

at least in recent memory. There's also some unreconsiled things there as well that I think is maybe important. Maybe that's the conversation for the next time if I get Tom back on. Maybe it's from a more critical standpoint from that. But I did enjoy talking with him. And then on this upcoming Tuesday, I have on Alex Cabana, who's an Afghanistan vet, member of Diaglan. and he is heavily involved with veterans for freedom, V for F. So I want to talk to him about that.

And so both of those two just kind of military guys had had a good conversation with Tom about the military. And I'm expecting another one with Alex as well. And where can people find you? You can find me on Rumble, the Schmidt House podcast. That's where I have everything. There's some Rumble exclusive episodes. If you're looking for the Deney episode, it's live number seven. It can only be found on Rumble.

But I'm on YouTube, Odyssey, at Schmidt underscore, Zach on Twitter and all of those other micro blog sites, Schmidt House Productions on Instagram. That's my web presence, but if you want to follow the show and listen to me, I do a Tuesday night show at 815 Central. SAS time because we don't do daylight savings time. It's confusing. I was using SaaS time for a long time because it's like, it's my time zone

because I was telling people central, but we weren't central. We were a mountain at that point in time, but that's the time zone we're in. Anyways, so, but yeah, 815 SaaS time on Tuesday nights. You can check me out live. Awesome. Well, thanks for, thanks for coming and doing this. And hopefully you get some people that stumble over to you and find what you're doing here in Saskatchewan

and some of the interviews you're doing, you know. And I, well, we'll wait and see what the audience says after this is all said and done, but I appreciate you making the drive. And honestly, for the audience, they don't understand. This was supposed to happen about a month ago, and then things came up in my life that pushed it out for another few weeks. So I appreciate you dealing with my hectic schedule. and making the trip, man, this is cool.

I appreciate you coming all the way out here and sitting across from me. Yeah, absolutely. I'll definitely do it again. Thank you so much.