Shaun Newman Podcast - #551 - Dr. Robert Malone 2.0

Episode Date: December 23, 2023

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So buckle up, here we go. Well, welcome to the Shawnee-Mewan podcast. Today I'm joined by Dr. Robert Malone. So first off, sir, thanks for coming back on. Unbeknownst to you, probably. I highly doubt you're following everything I do. you were in the year of 2023 you were my number I were counting down the top 10 episodes that people downloaded or tuned in for and you were in the top 10 so I really enjoyed our first our first chat

and I appreciate you giving me some time again to bring you back on okay um I'm almost famous I don't it's funny uh some of the people in my top 10 you would never heard of before you know And it's interesting to see what listeners interact with. You know, I've had some names that I would have thought would have been in the top 10, like one being Premier Danielle Smith from Alberta, and she's not in the top 10, right? So it's interesting where people found value and then shared probably the said value to other people, and you can kind of see it play out. Either way, it was a cool little statistic.

I guess the features, as they say, the future is so bright, I'm going to have to wear shades. You wrote an article just recently about the cult of personality. And one of the things in there... That took me a while to compose that. Well, I tell you what, it's not a long read, but in the sense of today's day and age, it is a long read, right? Like, it's not a two-minute read. I think Substack told me it's like a 26-minute read.

I'm like, oh, interesting. So, and yet it was well-rounded. Its thoughts were really thought-provoking. One point in it talks, I'm just, I scribbled this down real quick because I was like, you were talking about wise and wise in the sense of asking the right questions. And I wanted to start there, because what to you right now is asking the right question?

What question should people be talking about? Well, what you were referencing is the section that talks about different forms of charisma, charisma being a key feature driving cult of personality as the essays about cult of personality and social media and my own personal philosophical conundrum in encountering this little tiny modicum of fame that we were just talking about and joking about and it's something that's been troubling me for a long time cult of personality and the implications of building cult of personality and the tendency of some of those around me to be actively seeking fame and fortune

and leveraging that little five minutes of fame they have obtained from the COVID crisis in order to monetize it in various ways. Let's just put it that way without naming names. Sure. And that part of the essay was talking about, was building off of the various forms of basically legitimate,

that the state can obtain for its leadership, one of which is through use of a charismatic leader. And so we went through talking about what is charisma, and then a little couple of paragraphs that I quoted from another word that was appropriately cited, unlike the president of Harvard University, in which, that was a joke, Sean, I was supposed to laugh. for those that are up on the latest. For the listener, I'm like, he said two jokes now. I haven't lasted either one. But it's funny.

Robert has this way of just being like stoic, if you would, as he says a joke. And you're like, yeah. Yeah. So that part of the essay talks about two forms of charisma, with charisma being one of the forms of legitimacy that's exploited by cults of personality to position them as leaders, individuals as leaders. And one is authoritarian charisma, which is associated with telling people

what to think and what to do. And the other is democratic charisma, which is embodied in Socrates in the example, and that being an innate charisma that interacts with others through patient questioning. And that's certainly what I seek to do. is not to tell you what to do and what to think and how to act, but rather to provoke you and present the viewership and readership

with information and options that they can select from to choose how they want to be in the world and what they want to think and how they want to think. Those are fundamental differences, and it gets to the essence of what is it to be a charismatic leader, and the issues around the cult of personality. Now that I got that out of the way,

I've completely forgotten what your question was. So I'm going to read it off. The part I was, I'll read a couple sentences here from the article that just, I was like, that, hmm, and it made me, anytime you make me stop and think,

I'm like, that's a, I enjoy that. So this is, this is, this is. That's give you answers. Right.

Isn't it? Honestly, you know, I think of all the podcasts I tune into and, some of the things that I'm really interested right now, the ones that get me is where I have to pause the podcast, half the time write down what they've said, because there's usually just a phrase, and then I have to think about it, and then I have to go and explore that idea with, we have a book club, and we throw these things around.

Good for you. You have a salon. Yeah. Honestly, we just met this morning and talked about some different things. You must be located in Alberta. I'm located in Alberta. Because you're absolutely not located in Montreal. This is not, this is, this is, uh, not allowed.

It's funny. I got my, uh, speaking of Montreal, Robert, I, um, I joke around, you know, I get texts from the listenership all the time. Uh, and they, and they, you know, sent texts from all over Canada, some from the states. And I've been harper on Quebec. I'm like, is anybody listening over there? And I finally got my first text from Montreal.

And they said there's a ton of people that listen, uh, to the podcast over there. I was kind of shocked because they never text me. And you wonder, I don't know, we'll throw it out to Quebec. You know, are they meeting underground and talking about these things or not? They probably have to, you know, otherwise the Trudeau Nazis will be storming the door. Any case, let's get to your question. My heart goes out to the folks that live in that area. You know, what I hear about the various retraining, re-education programs, et cetera,

that have been deployed against physicians. and, of course, most notably Jordan Peterson. Jordan, there's many, many other physicians that are being subjected to this. The rest of the world is just looking on aghast. But let's get to your question. Well, I'm going to read you the paragraph it comes from, and that way, hopefully for the audience, it kind of frames where you're coming at so that I just don't give the last line where I'm like, that's an interesting question.

So here it is. You write, Socrates and the Sophos must certainly have been more complicated than this, but they serve as an ideal type of two varieties of charisma that ought to be distinguished. Let us call the Sophos, and am I saying that word right? Is it Sophos? Sophos. Exemplars of authoritarian charisma and Socrates and an exemplar of democratic charisma. Beyond the conditions of an intellectual laboratory out in the real world,

authoritarian and democratic charisma are difficult to disentangle. But this does not mean we should abandon charisma altogether. The intuition that there might be a type of charisma worth. seeking out and redeeming is strengthened when we reflect not on the businessman or politician, but on that neighbor, aunt, or colleague who he take to be wise. Not wise in the sense of dispensing answers, but wise in the sense of asking the right questions. And I went, that line right at the end, but wise in the sense of asking the right questions is, isn't that, that's a thought. And I want I was going to bring it, I was like, I had all these thoughts and then I read that. And then I read that,

I'm like, I wonder what Robert at this point in time thinks the right question is and maybe the right question that you've been asking or that you see that the world needs to be asking or just everyday people. Okay. So I think that when you distill all of this down, it's not about medical freedom. It's about freedom and autonomy and sovereignty and the nature of the world and the system that we want to live under because we have a group of oligarchs that believe that they have the power and authority and justification by virtue of their wealth to impose on the rest of us a form of

government and economics that will benefit their objectives to increase their profit their control and their power and their wealth which is a basically a globalized harmonized one world system, in which there is a specific objective of creating a more homogeneous genetic composition in humankind. So it's a fundamental agenda that involves leveling in every dimension, the diversity of humankind, the political diversity, the legal diversity, et cetera, under the thesis that basically if we have a global command economy, and I'm using key words here, a global harmonized single command economy driven by utilitarian principles grounded in Malthusianism, the logic that there are finite resources

in the world and they need to be shepherded. They need to be controlled. So that's Malthusianism. that we could go into what's wrong with Malthusianism, but that is where the World Economic Forum and their various acolytes and trained monkeys come from. That is fundamentally socialistic or communistic, depending on how you want to parse the language in the political spectrum. But it's absolutely a single new world order in which we will all be harmonized in terms of our economies, our legal processes, our politics, our genetics. So that's the alternative. That's the great reset new world order that is being promulgated on us, promoted. It's more than promoted. is being forced on us.

And of course, there in the People's Republic of Canada, you are at the tip of the spear. You have experienced the reality of having become a client state at the World Economic Forum without anybody firing a shot. And you're dealing with that on a daily basis. And Alberta, being the Texas of Canada, is kind of the rump resistance. that's left over of what swept over your entire nation state.

And is that the world, the fundamental question is, are you okay with that as an individual? Do you wish to live in a socialist, harmonized, globalized world with the command economy, basically run by oligarchs? Or do you really believe in personal autonomy, sovereignty, diversity. That's one of the paradoxes here, is in their world, there's no more diversity because diversity is associated with what they call friction in economics. Diversity is associated with inefficiency in the globalized, harmonized system. They don't want diversity. They want uniformity in all aspects so that they can build single solutions and deploy them globally. And so is that the world you want to live in? Or do you want to live

in a decentralized world where you're empowered to exert your own will on the world, on your surroundings, and create your own cultures and live in according to your own morals within some boundaries and structures. And this goes towards the spectrum, just to be clear, I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, but Javier Milié is, the newly elected president of Argentina. I'm, I, in the spectrum of modern economics theory slaying, I'm what's called a microcap. I'm a favor of minimalistic government, but we still have to have roads in some structures. But I am a capitalist. That's my personal desired environment in which to live,

in which I have not a full libertarian, unfettered existence, but as close to it as I can, within the constraints that we do have to have some shared norms in how we conduct ourselves, comport ourselves, and in civilization. I mean, I would prefer to have a fire department rather than have to have my own fire truck. I would prefer to have roads that connect me to other people in shopping centers or whatever. It's the Amish store rather than have to cut my way through the woods and drive a horse and buggy, which I'm perfectly capable of doing.

I'm a good teamster. I used to breed Pertron. Some of my Pertron came from Canada. I actually once had a Pertron Philly take first at the winter fair. So I, you know, but I don't want to live that way. I would prefer to be able to go get diesel for my tractor rather than have to hitch my horses to a fork cart. But that's just me personally. And, you know, some of my men and neighbors prefer to live an even more simplistic life, and I think they should have the freedom to do so. And for those that wish to live in urban centers and exist in that cultural mix, which often people that live in urban environments, the reason they do it is because they seek and thrive in the cultural diversity there, that's not the world. That is the 15-minute city highly controlled, harmonized global environment that the WEF and the UN are promoting. So that's as far as I'm concerned, that is the most fundamental question.

What kind of a world do you want you and your children to live in? And what are you going to do about it? Are you just going to sit here and have a salon? or are you going to at a minimum practice truth speech, as Matias Desmond calls it, and have the courage to withstand the storm that will come at you, and if I can withstand it, so can you, and speak to your neighbors and friends and colleagues. With this, I advise this patient questioning Socratic method,

as is described in that concluding sentence. As a and you have to approach the unconvinced those that, you know, we have a lot of pejoratives and a lot of them aren't really helpful. We can call them sheep. We can call them the those that are not yet awake. Whatever you want to call them, the ones that have been basically hypnotized by this amazing capability of modern cybor technology as propagated through the media. Those people need, in my opinion, they shouldn't be approached with hate. They should be approached with love and open heart and empathy. And you should recognize, in my opinion, that they have been subjected to what I believe is the true thought crime,

which is the deployment of these various modern advanced propaganda technology. that have caused them to functionally become hypnotized. So there's my very long-winded answer to your very short question. You know, when you talk about your neighbors, you know, like one of the common themes or maybe patterns to steal a Vance Crow word that I've, you know, from talking with his group and others, has been how much focus there is on community. Like you need to really work on your community.

You know, Jordan Peterson in particular, talks about, you know, clean your room, right? And you start on the lowest level, it's the smallest level. And as you get better, you know, I've said this lots. And I'm sure, Robert, you've heard it lots where, you know, if you can take care of your room, maybe you can take care of your house. If you can take care of your house, maybe you can, you can just kind of kind of branch out and you kind of bigger and bigger. Don't be telling me how to take care of my house when you're still have a leftover 15-minute TV dinners all over the floor. That's right. And so, but the common theme I hear from a lot of people is like, you know,

community. You know, you have to approach your community, not with hate, but with love, forgiveness, you know, all these wonderful qualities. And, you know, when you say, like, there's many different names for them. I can safely say most people do not like being called sheep, like they just don't. And it's funny, because... There's not a reason. I don't know why. But the thing is, are there... I've got all, Jesus Christ called them his sheep, so why not? What's wrong with that? And here's the thing. Are there some... sheep out there? Certainly.

Are there some unawake? Certainly. Are there some disillusioned? Certainly. Are there some just people that are just so busy of trying to keep their businesses and everything? Yes. There's so many people that need to be approached with this, what you're talking about.

And some of them, you know, are sheep are the useful idiot. Like you're never getting to them. Others are just, you know, they're running headlong into this, not realizing it. And, you know, to use modern slang, and I'm a student of this, I'm not a hitster, they're NPCs. They're non-player characters.

They're not engaged in society. They're just kind of along for the right. So don't be an NPC. Don't be an MPC. We just might clip that and call it a day, you know? Like put that on social. Just don't be an MPC, you know? It's funny when you start getting, if you take all the fear out of what's going on,

because to live out of the fear side of this thing is paralyzing. It's tough. It's like, and yet, you know, when you step through that and you get to the other side of where, you know, where your mentality is, you find this lovely community. And you actually find that actually the fear wasn't what I thought it was going to be, you know. and you find out a whole lot about yourself. Well, to, you have to, in my opinion, you don't have to do anything. It's your, that's the whole logic that you have free will and you can do what we want.

But don't be naive. I get subjected to hate waves of coordinated hate on a daily basis. And it comes from every sector. There's jealous hate and envious hate and there's coordinated hate. from the opposition, and there is the defamation and character assassination from coordinated corporate media. Thanks to racket news, we now know how deep a lot of these coordinated cywar propaganda operations are. Don't be naive that that doesn't happen and that it doesn't hurt when it happens to you. as I mentioned that essay, this has been one of my biggest challenges is somebody who has worked

so hard for their entire life to build empathy because basically I am a little bit on the spectrum. I'm the son and son-in-law of engineers and anybody that has, that knows what I'm talking about will immediately understand. And I am a techie. I'll own that. I'm a reform techie. I'm also a small farmer and a carpenter, et cetera. But I've had to work really hard on building empathy. And in, you know, in forging who I am as an adult human being, as Jordan, I think would probably frame things, fully adult. And if you have empathy, if you have an open heart, the hate hurts. You can't deny that. You know, as soon as you say, oh, yeah, I'm just going to toss that off. It doesn't bother me. The people that can toss that off and it doesn't bother

are generally psychopaths and sociopaths, that, you know, people without empathy, either learned or genetic. And so the point I'm trying to make is if I can take the hit, so can you. But understand that being an active truth warrior, being a warrior, which is one of many roles, you don't have to be a warrior, but if you choose to be a truth warrior, know that you are going to take shots and that you can survive them. They are often painful. You know, they say sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Well, I disagree with that.

Words can cut pretty deeply if you're somebody who has faith in humanity and has a self-image of a good person. And specifically, if the words come from somebody you respect. Yeah. Or at least you. Or you thought was in the foxhole with you. Those are, I find those the worst. But you, you, so, so I'm just saying, don't be naive. But if you want to join us as a warrior, a truth warrior, know that you can survive that stuff. And you will have a support network. The metaphor I talk about from time to time is using, so, I'm of a certain age where I recall rock and roll concerts and mosh pits and the classic rocker throws himself out onto the crowd, right?

And the crowd catches him. In our world, if you are connected to the community, you will experience that. When you stand up and speak out, and this has a whole religious aspect to it. of a theological aspect that for some reason, you, you, things will turn out okay. You will be protected. It's not to say it's not gonna hurt and you're not gonna take shots

and you're not gonna put your livelihood at risk and all that other stuff, but for some reason, things come out of the woodwork and your life may get transformed, but maybe that's a good thing. That's a good thing. The truth shall set you free, Robert. And if you don't, if you don't commit yourself to that standard,

you experience a gradual erosion of your soul. Each time you agree within yourself to make that little compromise, a little bite gets taken out of your soul. and in the end, you're left empty. And I'm not wealthy, despite all the jibber-jabber. I never got anything from these patents, just to put the stake in that one. But I do own my soul. And I do have a happy, longstanding marriage and two children that seem to have turned out okay.

And I think that's enough of a win. And, you know, I don't have a Nobel Prize, but I can go to my grave knowing that I maintain my integrity to the best of my ability. That's okay. You know, one of the things we've been talking about we were talking about this morning was how to become more ungovernable. And what you just said there is about step one. Take control of your soul. because you go, you know, to step through the door and face some of the arrows. Well, although that'll hurt, what you just said is exactly true.

If you don't go through the door, you're losing a piece of it every time you, and you're setting up the future for posterity. And the other thing is every one of us is a role model to somebody. And I, it may seem pretentious. I'm very aware that as I stand out on the stage and, you know, the virtual stage here or the physical stage and give lectures, I'm functioning in part as a role model. And I need to comport myself as such. Because people are looking at me. They're taking clues from me. And it's impacting on how they interact with the world and with their neighbors. And so be aware that each one of us is a, is a lighthouse, as a beacon, for people around you that you even, you have no idea who they are. Just as you move through your life, these touch points of the clerk that you deal with or, you know, somebody that you meet at the gas station or, or a phone call or whatever, if you, if you can try to be

kind and open-hearted, that has ripples. That's not just a metaphor. You can see it and feel it in your life. And it comes back at you. That's the amazing thing to me is sometimes I feel alone and embattled. I'm sure even Jordan Peterson does. But fortunately, I have this rock-solid marriage that I can lean on. We reinforce each other.

and this circle of friends and colleagues that nourish me. And you're speaking my language this morning. I think probably one of the best things a person can do is work on their marriage and their family. You know, when I talk about the book club and the folks of this audience used to tease me on how long it would be before I started talking about the book club in every episode. But when we first started it, Robert, it was to be better husbands, better fathers.

There was a few of us that were, you know, just dealing with things in whether it was marriage or new, having children. And there's just things, you know, like certainly you're further along than I am. When you have your first child, nobody, there's no manual for that. You can read as many books. It's scary. It is bloody scary. But probably the other thing that nobody has.

ever talks about is a relationship that stands the test of time. And that is like, there's no, there's no manual for that either. I mean, certainly that's on our, that's on our queue of books that we have to write. We, we touch on it from time to time in our substack. And those ones are already really popular. And there's a cluster of followers or subscribers on a substack that are banging the drums saying, you guys got to write this marriage book. So that's, that's like three books now. And the thing is, is, and I mean, it's in the best way. No one book is going to help every marriage out there. Certainly it can point you in the right direction. But like, well, that, that comes back to cleaning your room and taking care of yourself and realizing what's important in life.

That's what you're talking about. Owning, owning your decisions and your actions in committing to a path. So here I am sitting at 64. And I'm married to my high school. And I'm married to my school sweetheart and we first I'll gently say hooked up she was barely 15 and I was barely 16 in the Santa Barbara foothills riding horses and driving around in a 67 Chevy stepside it seems like a song but that's you know we've we've been through our own little slices of hell many many times but we committed to remaining together and facing the world together and knowing we were both kind of strangely old souls attracted to older people, et cetera, had been, you know, since we were little people.

And now we're harvesting, we're reaping the reward. of that lifelong commitment. As we travel about, you know, we get all kinds of feedback, oh, you're so cute. And, you know, you still touch each other. You hold hands. You're loving.

You finish each other's sentences. I mean, it's just all this feedback that somehow we're unusual. But there are marriages like that around us, and we seem to kind of, They seem to gravitate together those of us that have lived this way and by this ethic. And I can tell you that it's not an easy road to stay committed to a partner. There's so many things in our society that try to tear us apart.

But the dividends are enormous, especially as you start to get into the sunset years. and so I applaud you for that ethic and logic and commitment and wish you well. There's going to be times when it's going to seem almost impossible. For instance, I can tell you that the physicians and scientists that we've kind of been aggregated with and touring with during the COVID crisis, at least half of them have had their marriages destroyed. These times of stress are wicked hard on relationships. And if the bedrock is a commitment to each other, then you can kind of prioritize starting with that.

you know, if ground zero is we stay together, then everything else comes secondary. Then when you get into these conflict situations, should we turn left or turn right? You know, what do we think about this? What do you think about that? Are these irreconcilable differences? If you go back to that touchstone, we're committed to each other. it gives both partners a security because they don't have to be constantly questioning the fundamentals of the relationship that they're in the diatic relationship.

And I absolutely believe that the foundation of civilization of a civilized life is grounded in these long-term monogamous dyads. end of rant well I don't think it's a rant I think it's a very partially I'm laughing I got two things I got probably three things going on right now

one is I laughed I didn't laugh at his early jokes and then he talked I've now had Robert say you know we hooked up to put it nicely or something that that to me is funny and him in a mosh pit would also be kind of funny in my mind you know you know and both times he says

The much of what I would be in these days would be 65-year-old women. The funny thing is, he's stoic. He doesn't even, he just rolls through it, and I'm laughing, and he gives me a hard time about not laughing at his jokes. I'm like, well, that's pretty funny. It's funny. What comes to mind is you're the second person in probably as many weeks. I would say Tammy Peterson, so Jordan's wife was just on.

She's, that is a rock, solid soul, boy. I've only met her once. Very impressed. Well, what we got talking about? And you're now the second person, and I don't think you mean it as a warning. Maybe you do, but I take it as a warning. Because where I'm at with my marriage is like we're very, very in a good spot. Like, you know, we've been together for 16 years.

And I didn't realize, you know, this is the naivity in a young man. being like, I didn't think it could get continually better. I don't know. I don't know. How do you know until you know? Yeah. And yet, Tammy Peterson. If you're committed, if you're committed, if it gets better and better.

Yes. Well, you have to, and you have to put energy into the relationship. You have to be, you have to be there. You have to, you know, you have to be involved. You have to be committed, as you said. But what Tammy was talking about, and now you pointed out, and I think as an audience and including myself, we'd be disillusioned or maybe naive once again not to hear it for what it is,

is no matter the relationship, no matter how strong the bond, you will be tested in your own unique way. Is everybody going to have Robert Malone's weird or rise or whatever you want to call it? I don't know the word to put to it where now you're facing the machine. Not everybody. Is everyone, you know, Jordan Peterson and Tammy Peterson, that's about as extreme as it gets. and she talked about, you know, they had three years where they really didn't see one another.

And both of them got to death's doorstep. I mean, Jordan's in Russia. Tammy's got diagnosed with cancer and months to live. And you go, that's about as extreme as it gets. And yet, they found a way back, which is like the heartwarming part of it, except for the warning is, you know, you can't predict what rough water is going to come for your relationship, but it will come. And what you need to do then in preceding that is you need to strengthen that relationship,

which means being committed to it, being involved in it, putting energy and time and communications and all the different things. And what Tammy would say was a dating routine. That's what her and Jordan had, you know, the stories of dancing, you know, once a week and, you know, and I don't know. What did you do maybe is the better question, Robert? We live our lives differently, and I understand a little bit about that.

And, you know, Jordan, as you probably heard from her, Jordan made a decision that she was the one for him in something like third grade. It's crazy. But so we don't go that far back. But what we have done our entire lives is we've lived them physically with each other. we have never allowed ourselves to be separated like that. And all of this, for instance, all this travel all over the world that I've been doing, well, or the Western world at least, she always travels with me. And, you know, our kids, we are empty nesters, all we have is dogs.

Man, that's cool. Can I just say that's cool? Like, I'm, I don't know, I admire that, I think is the word I'm searching for. Let's just bedrock. I won't go do a show or anything unless Jill's coming. And she is my advisor and counselor and partner and everything. And just that's the rule. If I'm going to come, you're going to give us tickets for both of us and put up our lodging.

We rarely get an honorarium. That's probably my bad because I'm. I'm of this naive notion that the message is what matters at the moment, not accruing financial compensation, and other people make different decisions. But I'm absolutely bedrock. I don't travel if Jill doesn't come, period, we'll stop. Because otherwise, you get in a situation where neither partner really knows what's going on in the other ones, and then they can get insecure and they can get nervous. and that just can cascade in all different little screwy ways that you can't control. So if you stay physically living with each other in a very tight, intimate way,

it almost, for us, I'm just speaking, I don't know any other way to live. That's the way I've always lived since I was quite literally a child, you know, 16, is we've been together. in this bubble, sharing our lives on a daily and hourly basis. And so when we travel, you know, we check into a hotel, well, that's home. Everywhere, you know, we're always together. It's home. The home is where, you know, the slang or the trite truism, home is where the heart is, but home is where we are physically as a couple. And so we cut out a lot of that stress and strain that can come with having been physically separated. And the fact that we've been running a business together

for much of our adult lives makes it so that we don't have separation in that sector either. You know, in the farm is a joint effort. We've always had the consulting business has been a joint effort. Our substack is a joint effort. Many people know that although we put out daily essays, she writes at least half of them and she's the one that assembles the Friday funnies and the Sunday strip,

which we're going to be probably publishing until we're in the grave, because otherwise the healing cry is just going to, the wailing will be intolerable. But that's just how we live our lives is as a joint effort. And we don't have traditional, we're not a trad marriage. And we don't live in that kind of stereotype way. Oh, you're giving me a look. A trad marriage, yes. So like there's trad caths, traditional Catholics, and trad marriage is a movement where

the wife assumes some 1940s, 1950s stereotype of division of labor. She stays at home, does the cook and cleans, et cetera, takes care of the kids. The man is out, you know, metaphorically hunting and foraging. you know, practically going into his office and doing his paperwork or whatever to bring home the bacon is the metaphor, right? So that's a trad marriage. Hubby, hubby's responsible for the income and mommy's responsible for cooking, washing, cleaning, raising kids, that kind of stuff. You know, traditional marriage, trad marriage. And that's a whole trend thing. We don't do that. I

we do have division of labor but it's on a more informal basis of these are

the things that she either likes to do or does because I'm passive aggressive and I don't do

them that would probably be from her frame of reference and I do things that she doesn't

do. She never takes the trash out and I'm I'm although sometimes she'll do

the dump run you know so we mix it up. We don't we don't have these rigid roles. It's more like a constant negotiation. Here's the list of to-does, which often she draws up and how are we going to get them done? Who's going to do this? Who's going to do that? Which things are we going to do together? And

and you know, that's just how we run the day. So it's, it's nice to have carved out a space where in all things, it's a cooperative effort. You know, from waking up in the morning and who's going to feed the dogs and make the coffee, through riding the substack, through feeding the horses and working through the day's chores. That's all, you know, sometimes she makes dinner. Sometimes I make dinner. It's, you know, and whoever makes dinner, the other one does the dishes. So it's, you know, so it's just a close quote.

operation. That's how we live our lives. You know, I'm going to send you an email. You said, Home is where the heart is. And there's a song by Edward Sharp in the magnetic zero is called Home. And it says, home is wherever I'm with you. And I think, I think that's bang on, which, I mean, it's just another way of saying exactly what you said, but it's a great song. And I'm, I'll send it to you in an email, Robert, that way. You can, you can listen at your play. and let me know what you think. Excellent. But, you know, it's funny.

I'm trying, like, some days when I get on this thing, people know this, I go, I'm going to go this way. And instead, we have gone in a complete 180 in the best possible way. Well, let's get back to your show notes. No, the, you know, there's so much stuff out there about, you know, like the evil, the, the, you know, like the corruption, how deep it goes. You know, you even mentioned how deep it goes. You know, and down and down and down.

And when you focus and you get into those worlds, it can be full of despair and hopelessness and everything else. And one of the things I love that you're just talking about, because it's really, really, really, really, I can't stack enough really's on there, important to me, is a healthy marriage. Because, you know, like one of the main or biggest, or whatever word you want to put there job in my life is of being a father and a husband. And so if I screw that up, life gets incredibly difficult, no matter how good the podcast is doing.

I lose that, I lose everything. And so having you talk about it, I go, screw the show notes. Like, this is a wonderful conversation. Okay. Well, it also touches on that essay that you led with on cult of personality and social media. in one of the so that that as we move beyond that little couple paragraphs that talks about athenian history and different types of charisma we move into an academic article i think it's from the university of leads we have two academic sociologists media and marketing specialists

doing a deep analytical dive on YouTubers and cult of personality and what they what they reveal among you know they have three main findings associated with that but the third one that's profound and troubling and relevant to what we're just talking about as you're talking about the podcast is that it loops back to the issue of genuineness and what happens again and again is that as these shows, podcasts, YouTube broadcasts, um, substacks get commodified and structured. They lose their spontaneity.

And I think they lose the truth speech aspect. If you, if you're too driven by show notes as, as corporate media is, corporate media is all about the script, right? You stick on this and this is the message and thou shalt say this. The viewer can readily, the awake viewer, can see right through to the fact that they're being manipulated and spun.

There's some subtle sense that humans have in picking up vocal intonations and facial expressions that allows them to differentiate between truth speech and we'll just call it propaganda, this manipulated communication. that we're bombarded with all the time. And as soon as you start to become more and more focused on the commodification of your broadcast or your essay work product, you and you're trying to comport with some outside standard or guidance, you lose the spontaneity, you lose the truth, and you lose. your followers, you lose your audience. Well, you're starting to lose yourself in a different way. Yeah, again, it gets back to Seoul.

But so I think that deep academic paper that my wife absolutely hated that I quoted it so extensively, she likes my writing better than that. You know, you blew it here. You put all this extra stuff in here. And I had some of that feedback from others, too. You know, there's, for me, I love diving into the deep intellectual waters from time to time. But not everybody, that's not for everybody. But the point being that it's, as we, so one of the key points to be just the first main point that I thought was so profound in that academic work is that the cult of personality that now surrounds you, Sean, whether or not you want it.

It does, right? Yeah. Is an emergent phenomena of the interaction between Sean Newman and his viewers, his audience. It's a joint construct as opposed to traditional cult of personality, which is a synthetic construct, often used to build legitimacy for a political or religious leader, usually enforced by corporate media or mainstream media. in a coordinated campaign, you know, we can see that with our politicians. Justin Trudeau is a packaged product, right? And we can all see through that.

You know, you may support him or you may refute him, but I doubt there are many people that wouldn't say that Justin Trudeau or Gavin Newsom are packaged products. Just like, you know, they're shrink-wrapped on the store shelves. You know, the store happens to be weft. That's what they are. Weff action figures, Justin Trudeau, with his fancy socks. Or his black face. There's blackface.

So I do follow Canadian politics. But. And the Indian version would be him stuck on a plane with cocaine, eh? Like, I mean, on these stories go. But anyways. Yeah, there it is. So you are a construct of the interaction between your person. on the screen and in daily life and your follower viewer cohort and when when you start to this is this for me this was an insight

that because I it explains a lot of things so if one of the one of the derivatives of that is that if you veer from the projected a personality that is the synthesis of this of this is the synthesis of this their expectations and your personality, if you go off track from that in some way, there's a well of hate that's going to come out of you. And I'm sure you've experienced it. I've experienced it. That's an uncomfortable. Yes.

Max Weber, going back to the early 1900 speaks about this. He refers to it as almost a type of manic psychosis that happens. So this is nothing new. And the haters and the trolls are nothing new. And the ones that, at least in my experience, the ones that were former followers that, for some reason, felt that I had betrayed them are among my biggest haters. They will never forgive. They attack all the time. That's documented in this academic work.

You know, I'll just summarize kind of my journey real fast, Robert, because I highly doubt you know my backstory. But my backstory is I originally started the podcast in 2019 and interviewed athletes, sports figures. And I come from a hockey background. So I got to be interviewing very prolific hockey players and sports personalities, et cetera, et cetera. And I built an audience off that. And then in the middle of the COVID, I had Roger Hawkinson. in studio and Dr. Roger Hugginson, folks, and he verbally pinned me against a wall

as the way I talked about it, because he just kept saying, you can't sidestep this, you can't sidestep this, you cannot stop, sidestep this, and I finally went, it just like lodged to my brain. Okay, we're not going to talk about anything but COVID until this is over. So then for like 100 episodes until Ottawa,

all we talked to is lawyers, doctors, etc., etc., and the amount of people that text saying stay in your lane or what have you. Stay in your lane. Was really hard. Now, there was a ton of people who text saying, this is amazing. Thank you for being a voice of like bringing people on.

But right at the start, it was not that comfortable. It was very uncomfortable. And to come to terms of myself. I even had Steve Bannon tell me to stay in my lane. Interesting. Those are the within yourself, that's an interesting dilemma to go through. for the first time. Because since then, right, I did COVID.

So I did sports. And this is the way I would lay it out to you. I did sports and community. Then I did COVID. Then I did politics. Now I've been doing lots of faith. Now, right? Along this journey, I have found faith.

And those things are not easy subjects to talk about. But I find them very important. I have gotten lots of people all the time I changed the subject going, stay in your lane. stop talking about this. You're too much of this. You're too much of that. And I'm like, I don't know. It's my name on the thing. If you don't like it, I mean, honestly, just don't tune in. I love the comments back and forth, but like, you're not going to tell me who I am. That's not why I started this. Well, so that's, that was that, that has, having done that, I mean, it took me six or seven hours to write that essay yesterday.

Usually I don't take me that long, but that one was harder. And because it was part of personal journey. Those, that kind of feedback that you're describing can be a real challenge because you're in this position where you're basically trying to build a brand and an enterprise. and you're facing strategic and tactical decisions about where to take your audience and you have to follow your own heart and soul also. Otherwise, you lose the spontaneity. And you put yourself at high risk by doing that

of having exactly these kinds of attacks. And it's fascinating that you're sharing this because it's very similar to a lot of the blowback we've had, Jill and I, because everything that we do is joint effort, Dr. Jill Glassblas for PhD. And we made a conscious decision tactically, knowing that COVID was going to die out and that we have destroyed our consulting business

by basically being whistleblower truth tellers. And we're now pivoted to being authors. That's what we are as authors and commentators. And we, like you, get the same blowback. And our journeys are actually kind of similar, only you started off in sports. By the way, I'm told the two hottest markets in media are sports and health.

So good sensibilities there. Not so much faith, but it has its own niche. But sorry, the thing about faith is, no different than marriage, no different than being a father, it's really important and we don't talk about it. And so what I've learned on this journey, Robert, is we need to. Yes, and the forbidden topics are put in line by who? Like, who says we can't talk about these things when they're so bloody important? So culturally. Apology, just finished your thought, but that's my, my reaction.

Yeah, so thanks. And I don't mean to talk over you, but no, not at all. This arc that you're describing is the arc of an individual truth teller exploring the world. And the blowback of stay in your lane is basically saying, I reject that you as an independent being can bring insight into areas that are that I previously considered to be outside of your core competence, which is in a fundamental way kind of an insult. Because they're saying that you, you don't have the mental firepower to be able to derive insights in areas that are outside of what your viewer can

to be your core competence. That's what that statement is, but it's more than that. What we've all experienced, and this is why I teach so much about fifth gen warfare, and that's why that's the next book, is focused on Cy War, is that underneath this, you know, you speak, I'm sure you've experienced it, the waves of trolls, the wave nature of a lot of these comments that come at you, you these negative pejorative comments is is not by happenstance. There is absolutely, and it's now documented. As I mentioned, Rackett News has done a great job of this, but so have many others.

These are, a lot of this is, you know, we talk about Russian bot farms, but in some ways it's kind of a projection. Those bot farms are being run by the 70th Brigade, British intelligence, United States intelligence, Canadian intelligence. We've had multiple reveals in the Canadian press about the role of your own military in deploying Cy War against the populace. And these types of techniques of decentralized, coordinated attacks, often from, you know, The hallmark is they're coming from individuals' accounts of low complexity, is the way I put it. So there'll be often a relatively new account account with maybe 20 followers, 30, 40 followers, maybe 100. You know, maybe they're connected to 10 others.

These kind of new low complexity accounts are often the ones that are coming at you with these messages. If they're coming at you, you know, they're a longstanding follower that's been commenting in your, you know, in whatever comments that you have associated with this podcast, that's a different thing. And that gets to this essay just from last night. But, but these ones that are the pop-ups, like, let me, Sean, just let me give an example. I've just come back from seven days in Europe, just brutal days for me and Jill. Every day was tightly scheduled. We could hardly, you know, say good morning to the night, to quote Elton John. And in London and Oslo, and jumping back and forth from the continent and lecturing in Parliament, testifying in support

of Andrew Bridgen, et cetera, and then jump back and it didn't stop. We had stuff queued up here in the States. But, and then just before that, like the week or two before that, we were in Bucharest, Romania for the Fourth International COVID Summit where there was a bunch of testimonies. And those ones went viral. Jill's speech alone went viral in Bucharest. And so we had, and then the testimony that I provided in support of Andrew Bridge in the parliament, House of Commons, that one got millions of views. And so I'm coming off of a couple of these big.

offshore events and the waves of hate just rolled in like tidal waves. Bang, bang, bang, bang. And they were clearly reactive. I had done some things that had caused discomfort to whatever it is that's out there, this nebulous thing. And it was attacking back. And it didn't attack on the things that I said. it, it, these attacks for me, I don't know about you, um, come as efforts to destroy my personal

legitimacy. Uh, so this is the, oh, you didn't really invent the MRNA platform. Uh, you are controlled opposition. You're actually CIA, you know, this, all this stuff that has absolutely no basis in fact. Um, there are, are people that, uh, are, are kind of paid, they appear to be paid haters. Uh, and, you know, we, the terms of, conspiracy theorist is overused, but they fabricate all kinds of stuff. I have, I have thousands of pages of, of hate that have come from a small number of people that, that seem to be being capitalized to spout this garbage. And, and they get, it's like flip them on with a light switch. If I'm, if I'm busy just quietly putting out my substack and nothing particular is happening,

then they go away and they don't say anything. And then if, suddenly something bumps my profile. Oh, they come out as just like, I think the best metaphor is orcs from the, from the Bring series. You know, they just swarm. And so my point is only, Sean, a lot of these are agents of one or more entities

that are acting to try, to block you from a venturing into domains that are sensitive and are not supposed to be explored in alt media. Did you see to take to take heart from this? Did you see the campaign that Tucker Carlson did as he launched his new network the other day? I've been following along with Tucker, like he's coming in Alberta here in January. So yeah, like, I've been very... But you saw the trucks that he parked in front of all major media outlets. No, no, I'm sorry.

Nope. So he got these trucks, you know, they're kind of like F450s panel trucks with a big panel on the side that's an illuminated screen. You know, you'll see him driving around in all the major cities. But he parked him in front of the CNN headquarters and the Washington Post headquarters and the New York Times headquarters. et cetera, et cetera. And it ran a clip of him basically saying, corporate media or mainstream media is dead. You know, you will lose your,

he's basically saying you will lose your jobs and your businesses. They are being destroyed. And I'm here to put you basically what he's saying, without actually saying it, the subtext is, I'm going to destroy your business. and get ready because here it comes. And that is what has got them scared silly. If you read their internal analyses, you read the stuff out of the Trusted News Initiative, which is really a trade organization,

to keep alternative media down, they are, you know, the personification of their existential crisis exist you know for the those that aren't um all into this philosophy talk uh that existential referring to threaten death or extinction um so the the existential crisis that confronts corporate media right now is joe rogan he personifies it correct um it can't even you know just not this is not bragging our little substack reaches between 300 and 5 to 100 000 views per day that is roughly about where CNN's viewership is on a daily basis. And that's basically Jill, myself, and an associate that helps us out with, particularly with

gathering the cartoons for Friday and Sunday. Our budget, you know, our overhead is a tiny, tiny. It wouldn't even be a blip on the spreadsheet for CNN. These businesses are going to go under. and we are destroying them. And take, if, you know, you could take some comfort in that. We are part of a revolution, which is another one of the things that was picked up in this academic piece was that in that case, they're focusing on YouTubers.

There's an awareness and sense that basically they're revolutionaries. They're transforming information in the media landscape. So when you get all these hits coming at you, I'm coaching you, forgive me. Just brush them off because they're coming in many ways from organized campaigns intended to intimidate and gaslight you because of the threat that you and all of us collectively represent. Because we are the worst kind of threat. We're a decentralized swarm. A decentralized swarm like drone warfare is wicked hard to defeat. They don't know how to defeat a decentralized swarm. It is, unless something happens, you know,

central bank digital currency, they can just flip a switch and you're, you're demonetized and because they didn't like the way that you shave. You know, that's that they can do that. But outside of those kinds of really harsh controls, that, of course, your government is doing its best to impose. We're going to win this battle. I think we're going to win it no matter what. But I may be dead and in the ground by then, but that's okay.

Well, I think positivity, man, what a way to slowly close this out. I've appreciated, Robert, you coming back on and the conversation we've been having. I think it's been, if there's one thing I love about the podcast, podcast is, you know, some days I expect what's coming and then, you know, the great thing about it is, you know, some days it just goes completely off course or maybe where you're supposed to be, probably where we're supposed to be. But if you've got a few extra minutes, Robert, I would like to, you've brought up substack a few different times. We have a substack. We put the last five minutes roughly on the substack. And so what we're going to do, folks, we're going to pause. We'll hope that you'll come over and watch the last five minutes on Robert where I'm going to push them on positive things here in the future. because he's in the, you know, he's in a different realm than certainly I am. And would like to, would like everybody to come over to Substack and help support the podcast and, well, get a little bonus exclusive content from Robert Malone. And we'll pause briefly and then we'll have a couple minutes there on the end of this.