Shaun Newman Podcast - #559 - Jack Millikan

Episode Date: January 1, 2024

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It's funny. You know, when I was, you know, like obviously we just finished off 2023 to everybody who was paying attention. We just released, we hit a million downloads on the final day, so that was pretty cool. Jack started in, it was July, wasn't it?

July, I think, yeah. I think, so, you know, I was thinking, like, who do I want to put on for the first guest of 2024? And I'm like, well, I feel like people should probably get to know

who St. Louis Jack is, this 22-year-old kid who doesn't seem to age, who I get his name wrong, and they just hear about from time to time. At times I've called him Jamie, The time I call him Jack, other times I call him Joe.

You know, it's like I can't get your name right, can't get your age right. And I thought, well, maybe we could just start 2024 off by people finding out a little bit about Jack. So Jack, have Adder. Give us a little bit of who Jack is. Oh, man, this question always makes my heart pound a little bit. You get a little nervous. Why is that? I don't know.

You know, well, maybe we'll find out here, depending on how my answer goes. But I'm, yeah, 24 years old, obviously. I'm from St. Louis, born and raised. I grew up with two parents and that, and, you know, I'm not being hyperbolic here, but I hit, like, the lottery when it comes to the parents that I got. Like, numbers-wise, statistics-wise, the lottery. Two really, really great parents. My dad was a cop and a lawyer, now a judge, and so I say that to say, I'm terrible at lying and I don't do it anymore because of that. my mom was

the same she's just a sweetheart and so then grew up didn't have didn't have without but kind of had a little life you know I was five foot tall in high school and braces and all these things I was a dorky little kid

so so started doing some editing I had a video game YouTube channel for a while and that's actually the reason that I got into everything that I'm doing now in a funny twist of events fast-cored a little bit.

We'll catch up here. I was in sales for a little bit. I didn't sell jack shit for them. I didn't, pun intended. I did not. I just did terrible. So really good guys, though, they kept me on way longer than I should have. I should have been fired.

But anyway, there was a bell in my ear saying, go out, you have to do something for yourself. And so I put my two weeks in there, just on a whim and start this business that I have now, which is producing podcasts, grading podcasts, and so on and so forth. What are your parents, you know, did I hear that right? Your dad was, run me through that career trajectory again of what your father is? Yeah, so he was a police officer in North St. Louis City,

which is one of the worst cities in the entire United States. Have you ever interviewed him? I would love to. No, I have not. Why have you not done that? I was just thinking about it last night. Yeah, he's not going to go, I don't think he wants to put anything publicly out. He's very reserved.

He's like a recluse. But I'm definitely going to be interviewing him for at least my family. You know, on this side, I've interviewed, Dad was, I don't know what Dad thought of this when I first started. But my guest, my number two, I can't remember who was supposed to come on the podcast episode two. But anyways, he couldn't make it. And so I called Dad up. And I was like, Dad, I need to have a podcast come up this week. I'm short, would you come on?

And so we do like this very like, oh, I just, you know, I was not there yet. And, but anyways, dad was very gracious, came in and did it. But then I got to do one with dad on Father's Day probably two years ago. And Dad, like, cried the entire time. He was very upset with himself. But I was like, I got to ask him like all these questions that I wanted to ask him. Every son or daughter should do this with their parents. I've had both my parents on.

And I've thought, again, here in 20, 24, I'm going to have them both back on again because I think it's really important. And when you say your dad was a cop in one of the worst parts of the city and one of the worst parts of all the United States, I'm like, oh, man, he's got some stories. And you should be, you should be grabbing some of those, even if he doesn't want to put up public. Who cares? Sit down and have the conversation.

Definitely. Was your dad, like, was he emotion, or, you know, would he cry in front of you before? Or was that, like, an anomaly? us newmans especially uh the ones that have let's say more the genes from my from the newman side of it my grandmother uh dora when she was still alive towards the end of her life we started to notice she was more emotional um when she'd reminisce when she'd talk about things she just got really emotional and as dad gets older i find he's the same it doesn't mean he cries all the time i don't mean to put that out on the airwaves just that you can tell he's

is a little emotional. So it didn't, it didn't, uh, it didn't shock me. Um, I thought the, the emotions were very warranted for what we were talking about. Um,

but no, he doesn't, uh, he's a, a guy's guy. He doesn't cry like, it's not like he's crying all the time by any means. It just,

it didn't surprise me if that, I don't know, does that make sense? Yeah, me so, more sentimental is like the word, the, the,

yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he, he, he went through some, some tough times,

right? Like, like, uh he's a he's the guy that taught me you know it's funny i in my brain i want to be around my kids a lot right because uh i want to uh all the old timers like that time flies fast and it's gone and then once they're you know your age you know like they're off doing their own things and you don't get the young years back right and when i was roughly nine dad um had a real choice to make either go bankrupt or put his head down and go to work and so that meant he didn't you know for 27 days

the month roughly, he was never around. He was working his bag off. And it's funny as a kid, I remember that. So now whenever I get into a predicament, it's like, well, put your head down and go to work, right? Like, you want something bad enough. Put your head, go down, go to work. It doesn't matter the day of the week, just go to work. And it's funny. That's like one of the best lessons he ever taught me, and he wasn't around to teach me, right? He had to be a way to teach me, if that makes sense. I think we've talked about this before, but to me, that's a very Abraham-sacrificing Isaac-esque story in the sense of, you know, he's sacrificing something with you. He's sacrificing his time with you to provide for you and give you a future, which is just,

which is cool to think about. Yeah. Dad always want, if one of us ever makes it like astronomically where we become a millionaire, a billionaire, I don't care. A stack on, you stack on, correct, when, you know, when you have enough zeros at the end that you just don't have to worry about too many things, he wants to place. in the south of France. I would love nothing more

than to be one of the five kids that gets to do that. So I could walk around my siblings, especially on the Brothers Roundtable when they come on and be like, yeah, so Dad's at South of France. What are you guys done lately? But, I mean, that's, that's,

that's been a running joke in our family for quite some time. Going back to your dad, man, I got us on a tangent. So, one, you got an interview. One, you have to do that. You never wanted to follow in his footsteps? No, no.

Yeah, you know, he was he was like his freelance lawyer. I mean, I'm not sure what you call it, but, you know, he wasn't crushing it by any means in that regard. But being a police officer, I've thought about it. I've thought about it many times. It's obviously not the best time to be a police officer, but I don't think that's what deters me. I mean, if I'm being honest, I'm probably, it was probably,

well, now I want to be rich, first of all. And second of all, you know, I was probably just too afraid to for a long time. I was, you know, always lived out of fear, I think. You want to be rich. You just want to have stacks of cash. I want to, well, I want to build a compound and build houses for all of my family. And they never have to worry about anything ever again so that they don't have to be. Well, they're going to live in sick compound.

Well, they're going to come around to it. They're going to come around it and they're going to like it, I tell you. I'm going to, yeah, if they don't want to live there, fine. But they're going to be great. It's going to be a great, great place. But I think at the root of that, it's ultimately I want to take care of any excuses that we might have for not spending time with each other. You know, it's like the sister, my sister just got married and she's got a nephew. And you see this a lot in Western society of family splitting up and going off on their own ways.

And to me, I'm like, screw that. Let's all be in this together. That way we all have the same values. We all know what our kids are being taught. and you know we're all on the same page that we can go through this together so what's motivating you isn't riches then it's family right right to me I think that's a better thing to strive for than just money I could be wrong on that yeah I know I completely agree with you because if I wanted to yeah yeah I can't see a world

where I want you know either green paper a ton of green paper or something in the account that says I have all this wealth where after a certain point, you know, the more you have stops to matter as much. You know, you, for the listener, I love little stories like this, but the way Jack comes into the podcast, you know, because I'm like pretty, as Jack can probably attest, I'm a little bit of a control freak. Like when it comes to this thing that I've been trying to build and controlling and everything else, I haven't allowed too many people around it. I've been very standoffish, if you will,

not because I don't like people. Obviously, I like people very much, but when it comes to stress in my life, I'm like, I'd rather cause it on myself than have other people mess things up and whatever else. So I rewind the clock to last November, and the first ever time I'd went to St. Louis for a pattern spotting retreat. Vance Crow showed up to him.

And, you know, by complete happenstance, happen chance, Jack Milliken shows up there. Now, you would have been the youngest guy there, not by a long shot, but I mean, over the group of people there, you were the youngest, and I wasn't the oldest folks, I was far from the oldest,

but regardless, like he shows up like a couple days before. You know, like we sat in the, you know, we chatted a bit, but I don't think it was anything like too crazy. And, you know, and then time goes by. And, you know, you don't think anything. And then this summer I get a text,

saying hey I'm like and I remember the thought too I'm like you know what I don't want to not because I'm like this is going to be awkward because what if he sucks

and then it's a friend of a friend and this is how it's going to go and I'm like but you know what give the kid credit he's reached out he's pushed on me and I'm like

all right in my brain and I don't know if I've told you this before I'm like I'll give him July and July I go on holidays which means I am zero help

to anyone including my brain myself. I barely get things out. And here it is, July. And if he's still around at the end of it and he hasn't called me an idiot, maybe there's something there. And so I threw him to the wolves in my, in my mind, I have no idea if that's what it felt like. But in my mind, that's what I did. And here we are six months later. And, well, I don't know how to say it on air, but I've been very impressed by your work ethic. I think it's one of the things that's allowed me to relinquish some of the things that I do.

But, you know, if I go back to the beautiful part of the story, I feel like it's just like these little tiny moments where things change for Jack, change for me too. You know, you approach a trip to St. Louis. I don't know what I thought I was getting out of that. Once again, show out to Vance for harassing me to come. And all of a sudden, you get this. And I don't know, what do you make of that?

Do you make anything of that? It's, what I always say is the universe is in motion. And that's how it feels like. But I think, you know, to take a lesson out of that, if you don't mind me going on a little tangent here. Welcome to the podcast, sir. Tangents are welcome. All right, good.

But, you know, I'd say a little bit over a year ago, really, yeah, maybe a few months before the pattern spot of your street that we were at, I had decided to start living, like, my life with intention, you know, and kind of like the cliche, you know, here's journey, whatever. but I started leaving my life with intention, and that meant putting myself around the right people. So I formed this group of a bunch of people that I knew that were kind of entrepreneurial or wanted something more out of life. And so I created a place where we can gather and talk, and we started going to different networking events and such. Anyway, to skip all that, I end up at a same kind of networking event that Benjamin Anderson is at.

And we connected because obviously Vance and him were doing the legacy interviews and still are. And that was kind of a business that I was trying to start with video memoirs and taking older people's stories and then passing down their families. So we connected on that and we start having maybe biweekly meetings. And eventually he's like, okay, why don't we create our own set of friends, like a group of eight guys that are all on the exact same path? because the previous group that I had created had dissolved. And so we're all like, okay, let's all get on the same page. But long story short, he and I start having conversations, and I started asking him questions and, you know, diving into his life

and maybe start opening him up in ways that he hadn't been opened up before. So he was impressed by that. So the night before the Patterns Spotters Retreat that you and I first met on, he calls me up and he goes, hey, let's go do this thing. Like, will you come to this retreat? He's been talking about it. He was in high esteem. And I'm like, holy shit.

I am like terrified. I was terrified of going. Absolutely terrified. Because he talked about, you know, people like you, and you know, all these freaking scientists that are geniuses and like what in the hell? I'm happy you put me in the group with all the scientists that are geniuses. I'm like, how did I find my way into this room of scholarly people when I'm just to connect from up north talking different people?

Carry on with your story. but I do find that funny. We'll make sure to clip that and put that out. That's what to do. Great, I can edit this whole thing and I can make it whatever we want. No, we don't edit the podcasts, really. But so I'm like, you know what?

Living life of intention, let's go towards the fear. And Benjamin very much so inspired me to do that. And that's what ended up in Patterns Potter's the next day, which was just a crazy story of one little thing of how I wanted to change my life and start living in a certain way. And it's put me to hear, which is just crazy to me.

Isn't that... Well, this comes back to Peterson. This actually comes back to the Bible. This comes back to a whole bunch of different things. But like, you set your course, right? And you just aim towards it. And it doesn't matter how lofty of a goal that is. It can be very high.

But you aim towards it and you start moving toward it. Pretty crazy how far you can get in the year, you know, when you think about it. Like, well, The one million. The one million thing is like, I don't know what to do with that number. I have no idea. I have no idea if that's, you know, like, whoopty-do, you know, like, in five years, I'll be like, oh, that was like a drop in the bucket. But I know when I started the year, I was like, I'm a million. Like, that's a lot. And yet you start moving towards it. And if you weren't paying attention, maybe you'd just come and go in and it would disappear and never even happen. Instead, when you put intention towards it, when you actually start talking about it, you know, I sent you, you were asking me about James. and the tongue, you know, and bridling the body. And, you know, you start doing that. It's pretty insane, honestly, where you can go.

So when you say I was being intentional, like, I think anyone can do that. Like, wherever they're sitting. They want to get out of wherever they're sitting. You just got to start doing things to make sure you do that. Actually, I just ran into, shut out to Timmy, my brother-in-law. He's dropped. What did Mel say? 40 pounds, I think.

Like, he's a football player. He's always been a big guy. He's bigger than, you know, teases me because I'm the short guy of all the in-laws. But, you know, he's dropped like 40 pounds. And what do you do? He stopped drinking. He just, like, intentional about it. I just drink it too much.

I just decided to stop. Now, as soon as you stop drinking, you can talk about this because you did a full year of no drinking. All this thing, you probably have all this free time. You don't have the hungover mornings. And all of a sudden, you can start moving your body a bit more. and I assume it's like, well, maybe I should, I don't know, pick up a weight or just go for a walk because I can and I have the time. And all of a sudden, you move that way a heck of a lot faster than if you're dragging all this, you know, dead weight or things that are pulling you away from where you want to be, I guess. So, I mean, 100%, I think, I think the no year was probably going to, when I look back on my life one day as a crickety old 80-year-old man,

And this is going to be one of the most significant things I've ever done in my life was quitting drinking for a year. So many, I mean, you know, certain friends stopped reaching out. I didn't really hear much from them that I thought were going to be really, really great friends for the rest of my life. And that took the blinders off there. Yeah, the money I saved just in general, the health, the sleep that I got, the way that I was able to focus because I was getting better sleep, it was just numerous and numerous and numerous just benefits. that I still probably can't even foresee what the benefits of that were. And it really, I think the biggest thing that I really noticed from it is it forced me to hang around people that were having healthy habits in some way. And, you know, if they're having healthy habits, they probably have a more healthy mentality on life.

And they've put me in that direction completely. It's really, really crazy how impactful it is. When you look back, you know, you just finished the year. of no drinking. What's one thing through there? You're like, oh yeah. Like, yeah, that was like an epiphany. The one thing through there that was an epiphany for me was

you are no longer, it's not a habitual thing. It's like, oh, this is something I'm going to do, you know, when I'm finished, when there's an occasion to do it or when I would choose to do it. But before it was a pattern in my life, and it was a pattern that needed to be broken. And that hit me hard, six months in, you know, of like, oh, this is, this is not something I need to do.

You wonder how many, have you, like, that thought process right there, like, oh, this is a pattern in my life. Have you taken that now to your life in different ways? Like, I just think, you know, I'm sitting here and, like, one of the morning rituals I have is coffee. Like, I love a good coffee in the morning. And I always tell myself, I'm like, even when I was doing sober October, I'm like, what am I going to do? Give rid of coffee, get rid of it all, get rid of every little thing that I've built into my life. Like, is that where I want to go? I don't know.

In the middle of six months, when you're like, holy man, this is a pattern. What other patterns have you spotted in your life that you're like, hmm, I maybe should take a look at this. Or maybe you've already taken a look at it. And patterns that I picked up, it's creating exercise as like this is just something we're going to do. It's not something that I have to plan for. It's not something at the bubble. It's, this is it. This is it.

But I had one other thought while you were talking there, but it might have escaped me. But, well, oh, well, yeah, the, oddly enough, the conversations that I have with people and how honest I am, that was a pattern I recognized that I was avoiding. And, you know, throughout that year of alcohol. Avoiding being honest? Avoiding having difficult conversations with people that I care about. really right and did you like i don't know why i can't spit this out because you were like uncomfortable with how it may go well uh definitely um definitely it was that fear of like risking the friendship and and and uh you know maybe this person won't be friends with me after if i think

about the grandiose idea of it you know they won't be friends with me after and then That sucks and I lost a friendship. But throughout this year, I had to have some of those heart conversations. Like it forced me to because, you know, for instance, the friend that I was talking about before, you know, I had to go to them and I say, listen, like, we have hardly, you've hardly reached out. We haven't talked much. Like, I think I'm just a drinking buddy. That's really what I think this friendship is. And we've always talked about how close we are and how different it is.

But, you know, it looks like we're just drinking buddies right now. and that pattern and then that started showing up more and more in my life where I started realizing okay these conversations need to be had here and here and here and here

and all over all over the thing after you got through your first one or two of those did did become easier? Definitely it's still hard

what really changed was the people that I'm around that I decided to really start putting myself around like the Benjamin's and the so forth the people that I'm around Now they encourage that, so it's not even harder anymore.

It's like they will lose respect for you if you don't bring that up. And that is a freaking game changer of relationship dynamic. That's interesting because, you know, I think of honestly what it brings to mind is the book club. You know, we started that in 2018. And when we sit down, although there's like, hey, how's the family doing kind of thing? And right, like the kind of like surface level questions, it gets serious real fast. like real fast and we've argued about some of like everything I mean by this I mean I mean I will there be new things to argue about in a year's time guaranteed but like we get

down to brass tax real fast and I don't know what life was like before that like I have a hard time recalling not being able to get down to brass tax real fast I think that's what you're talking about right that's that's honest conversation it's like are we gonna talk about um you know well I mean COVID was the obvious big one of late but I mean other ones have come and gone in that time as well regardless you know there's I would say few hmm I would say that before the book club I didn't do that near enough fast enough quick enough or have enough relationships like that I don't know if I had like I had good friends but I don't know if we talked about those things yeah I don't think we did and so

for you to identify that right away that's interesting Well, that's interesting that came from a book club was, how does that come from a book club? Well, because it started like, I apologize to listen. I probably told this story way too many times, but back in 2018, so this is before the podcast started. That was, you know, like Jordan Peterson had obviously already been on the rise. But he finally came across. We were sitting, there was a group of us went out for lunch one day. and somebody said,

huh, have you seen this guy's video, this interview? And he was with Kathy Newman. And so I watched it. And I was like, oh my God, this is something. Like, this is something. I showed it to the wife. She kind of laughed.

She's like, that's kind of odd. And I'm like, that's more not. That was something. And then we found out he was coming to Emmington. And so a group of us got in a vehicle and drove there and along the way there, we said, you know, the idea came of like, maybe we should start a book club.

Because we were talking about reading his book and different things like that. And so, okay, let's start reading a book. Jordan Peterson, for your first book, he talks about, you know, clean your room, take your ownership, you know, speak. What's his one rule, folks? Tell the truth or at least don't lie.

Don't lie. Yeah. And if you start to embrace those rules, well, it came out of a book club because we read it. And then we started holding each other accountable. And then we just started, you know, it started out pretty harmless. Just, you know, everybody was,

at different stages of life, but all of us were married, all of us had kids, all of us wanted to be better husbands, better fathers. So it sounds like kind of like a greeting card, you know, and I'm like, you know, some ladies going, oh, that's nice. And I'm going, that's not, we just wanted to be better, that's all. But in trying to be better, it forced you to come to terms with some of your shortfallings. And then you've got to try and improve that. And then in the middle of that COVID hits, well, we're meeting, you know, talking about different things. so why not talk about it? So then we start talking about it, right?

And on and on this goes to the point where now, you know, like we meet once a week, you know, and while I'm on holidays down here in the States, I'm obviously missing that. And that's formed the men's group now. So I meet twice a week with two different groups. And we talk about stuff, like immediately. Like let's talk about whatever wild thing is out there. And I guess that's how it forms from a book club. It started off as this little tiny idea.

It's like, how does Jack get involved in the podcast, folks? He said yes to some fear and was like, I'm going to go sit across from a bunch of people that I don't think I belong at. And a year later, they welcome them back in and welcome us all back in. It was a lot of fun with open arms. And now you've been a part of the podcast for six months. I don't know how the heck that happened. That happened real fast.

Yeah. It happened extremely fast. You know, but that's the idea of a men's group is so. freaking powerful or not even I mean a men's group is so powerful it's just it's it's such an for me I'm a part of a men's group also here at St. Louis the client of mine is he's his name's Mark he runs a coffee shop and it's not about the coffee for him it's about building the community and so he runs a men's group and it's just like it's it's so powerful seeing a bunch of guys saying hey listen I'm quitting porn you know or or my wife and I haven't been having sex as much like

it's, it's, whenever it is, it's, there's no other space where that energy can be like hardest in such a, in such a useful way, I think. Then men coming together and saying this is what's going on in my life, I'm going to hold you accountable, I'm going to hold you accountable, and let's all go out this together. The old porn thing's an interesting one, isn't it? Like, I mean, you don't know a life where you couldn't just click a couple buttons

and have a naked woman in front of you. I'm like, don't get me wrong, folks. I'm not far behind Jack, right? Like, I mean, born in 86, so, you know, I had, what, my first pretty much high school, there was, I was rural internet. It's not like I was clicking a couple buttons. But, I mean, like, right now, it's a bit insane how accessible porn is. It's, yeah, I mean, since I was 14 until I quit, which was, you know, last couple of months. every, you know, like, I don't want to count how many times.

You know, it's some crazy, I'd be rich if I had a nickel for every time. But it's, yeah, I've got some friends that are like, well, I don't think it's that bad. I've got others that I go, yeah, it is bad. It's, you know, for anyone out there utilizing it, one worthwhile thought is, you know, some of these women on here, you don't know which ones are being sex trafficked or not. And, like, that's enough for me to just say, fuck this. Yeah, I've been trying to get a woman on who's been going after Pornhub for quite some time. And that's exactly it, right?

That they have women who are being trafficked, being videoed, and then put on Pornhub. And you're like, holy crap. Yeah, it's like one of those things where I don't think we fully understand how dangerous that drug is. Right? Like, that's, porn is in the same category for me as, like, gambling. I don't know, smoking, drinking, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You don't think it's certainly taken over your life until you start listening to some people that are like, I don't know, addicted to porn and you're like, how the heck did you get there? And yet, you can kind of see it creeping in.

Well, I mean, just like don't look good, don't go look. But like they talk about, you know, you start out with like, I don't know, heterosexual sex. And you're like, oh, that's good. But eventually it gets to the point where you have to go looking for more extreme, more extreme. more extreme and it just keeps going and going and going. And, well, I mean, every kid that grows up today is faced with it and it has a real hard challenge because it's more accessible than what. Pretty much anything on this planet at this point.

Yep. And anything you can comprehend, there's court about it. You know, that there's some law, quote unquote, or some joke of anything that you can think about aliens or literally anything that comes to human imagination, the first thing that happens to it is people find a way to make it a porn. It's pretty sick. You said you've been done for a couple months. So that was a pattern you spotted when this has got to end.

Yeah, it was inhibiting me from, I think it was absolutely inhibiting me from pursuing romantic relationships. Like I can just, you know, watch porn, be done with it and go to sleep in my bed and, you know, no effort needed. And when I'm not, when I'm not. When I'm not on it or what I've noticed while I'm not on it is, I have a lot more energy to go up and talk to women that I'm interested in and just pursue these kinds of relationships.

There's just more confidence there. I don't know exactly how to explain it, but it's there. That's cool, though. And maybe you don't have the crutch jack, you know? Maybe I won't go talk to them because I can just go back to my room, you know, and whatever. It's like, well, no, if I'm going to talk to a woman, you know, that would bring all the excitement.

I don't know if that's the right word I'm looking for, but I mean, there's no like plan B, I guess, is what I'm trying to say, right? Like, it's like, this is the real deal here, you know? I've been out of that game for so long, you know, like we, where I'm sitting right now, sitting in a hotel room, we're recording this on New Year's Eve, folks, so happy New Year to everybody. And we have the weekend with no kids. And so, like, we went for supper last night.

And, you know, at one point, and I don't want to get too lovy-dovey on here, but, like, at one point, we're in, like, a booth. But Mel and I love a booth, like, a U-shaped booth, if that makes sense. So we can just, like, we can just, like, I don't know how to cuddle into one another, I guess. Because I'm like, you know, like, we don't have kids crawling all over us. We can actually sit and have a conversation. So I sat and talked to my wife for, like, I don't know, four hours straight last night. We went to, we're at a wedding, so we went out to their cocktail hour, but we know nobody there.

So it's just the two of us. We sat and chatted and, you know, kind of whatever and went home early. And I'm like, this is like, this is awesome. This is amazing. So I'm in a completely different stage than you. And she's like, she's telling the woman getting married. Yeah, Sean's got a podcast this afternoon. I'm like, I do.

I have to work. This is really tough, you know. But it's been enjoyable, you know, where I sit with, with, I mean, we've been together 16 years, folks. I don't know where that time went either. But I never thought I would find someone. Or, I don't know, maybe I, I shouldn't have imposed my thoughts on you. But I think when I was at your age, I wasn't sure that it was possible to, like, truly enjoy somebody for that long, you know? Like, that seems like, how do you find that?

I don't know. But, geez, where I'm sitting today, we've been enjoying ourselves. Hotel room, quiet, sleep in? You kidding me? Come on. Like, just the greatest. She was watching friends. I'm not a big friend.

I'm a sign-filled guy if I were to argue the other two, or argue the two. But I'm like, but I got no kids climbing on me. And I love my kids, folks. But I just sat, you know, and she was watching TV. I was like, this is great. This is great. I got the podcast set up for later. This is great.

That's, I don't know. What do you think those conversations will look like 20 years from now, those four-hour conversations? Well, 40 years from now? I'll say 40, yeah. Yeah, 40. Let's do, well, what does that put me? That puts me 77. Well, I hope I'm still grabbing her butt as much as I do now, you know?

Like, I, um, Mel certainly teases me that I'm going to be that affectionate when I'm, when I'm 77. I hope I am. I just think, you know, like at 77, I don't know. Actually, you know, like I had Zuby on here a long time ago. Folks over-re call Zubi. and he put a picture up of his parents and I'm like they're very good looking individuals and I think they're both in their 70s

so how does it look at 70 in 40 years well we would have been married for close to 50 and my hope is you know that I'm still like you know I'm going to channel my inner Ken Rutherford here that I'm still holding her hand and still like you know still like all about it because like right now we're sitting

it's just the two of us I used to I was thinking about this this morning, Jack. I used to wish that friends would come along because I liked having a couple couples, you know, and you get to have fun that way. And now I'm like, I actually really enjoy when we, it's just us, because we actually don't get to talk that much. I mean, we do and we don't, right?

And so I actually, like, really enjoy her company. And so when I'm 70, I hope that, like, I hope that's where we're at. because you think by then you've been empty nesters for a couple more than a couple like in in 20 years you're empty nesters it's like well you you understand i think we both can understand like from our parents standpoint from other people's parents standpoint empty nest thing is a real deal right is oh we got to find a way to work together again it's like i hope i don't have to work together again i hope it's like oh i'm excited because now it's just me and you we get to go do whatever the heck we want to go do right like i don't know about you obviously i'm Obviously, you're dating anyone? You're not dating anyone. I'm taking a gal out of date this week, so. Ooh. Best of luck to young Jack, eh, folks?

I don't know how to say this. Well, I guess I'll say it. But I'm like, Mel is like the most attractive woman I've ever seen. I don't know how that happens either. But I'm like extremely attracted to her. And henceforth probably being able to conversate for four hours. So, I mean, when we get. to where we are and geez i did not mean to make this podcast about my wife but hey there we are um

like i i'm like we have a wedding tonight we're gonna get dressed up we're gonna go dance but we never get to dancing when was the last time you went dancing uh no i can't say ever what that's you know whatever you know i've never gone out to dance specifically you are a sad individual yeah i mean i've been they go your entire generation has no idea what they're missing. Oh, I've never, I've, I've, I'm, the, the date will be dancing. I'm telling you that much. I've been wanting to, I've had all of these, uh, uh, eccentric things I've been wanting to do, but, you know, I can't do with the buddies. So, dancing should not be eccentric though. Oh, man. You know how much fun you're in for? Yeah, good. Like, you get a good

DJ. Like, that's, that's what's going to set the mood tonight, okay? You get a good DJ, keep you on the floor all night long. You get an all night long DJ, like it'll be the greatest night of your life. You get a DJ that's so-so, you'll fight your way through it because you love dancing. But it's funny.

You know what? Like I was here in Lloyd, or like in Lloyd, I don't think we have a club anymore. I don't think we have somewhere where people go to dance. I'm like, what do they do? Like that's what we used to, like, you want to talk about nerves.

Back when I was like 18, having to ask a girl to dance and then getting shut down, and that happened a lot. That sucked. You know, there's nothing that hurt a man's confidence more than, no, thank you. And then I wasn't a great dancer to begin with. I still am not a great dancer, but I've learned that I don't really care what other people think.

You just go out and you flail your limbs and you dance anyways and you have fun. And usually those are the funest dancers on the thing anyways. Oh, man, I'm excited for you. Your first, a date this week and Jack has taken a girl dancing. Let's do it. I always think of Kevin James if you've ever watched any Kevin James movies. Sure. Where he's just, like, that's the best way to dance.

I agree. Keep your hands. I always wish I could dance like JT, like Justin Timberlake. He had smooth feet, you know, like, but I mean, hey, what are you going to do? 2024. What are your goals for 2024? I've taken us on, like, I'm trying to make this about Jack, folks, and somehow we just, we've gone all over the place today. Well, we're both podcasters, so we're going to do the duel here.

and I and I you know I don't know it's a good conversation but um goals for 2024 are we talking in terms of jack or what are we talking in terms well um it can be jack it can be it can be for the podcast it could be whatever you want i want to know it's it's January 1 everyone's sitting there here's my new year's resolutions but actually i actually have goals i said on january 1 i don't think it's that crappy of a date to set and be like this is where i'm going to go and so So I think, you know, sitting here, I would love to hear what Jack wants to accomplish in 24. Let's put it out into the universe and see what happens. All right. All right. Let's do it. We're going for 2.5 million downloads on the S&P podcast.

You know, the Sean New York podcast. So Jack wants us not only to do a million in a year. He wants us to do more than that. He wants us to do 2.5 million in the year. And, okay. 2.5 million. Yep. Sure.

Jordan Peterson. We're going to have a conversation with him this year. We're going to get you to talk. talk to him and we're going to go and record it. I feel like the Jordan Peterson thing is eventually it's just going to happen. And I'm going to be like, why did it happen now? You know, because like you think about it. Everybody was laughing at the last Tammy Peterson interview I had where he's eating

breakfast, washing dishes in the back. His hand comes in. He's been on the podcast, folks. Like his hand literally came on the screen. Jordan Peterson's been on. You know? It's like, what? But I feel like that's a good idea.

We should do some sort of bit about that. Oh, we should. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, Jordan Peterson has been on the podcast. At least his hand has. All right. Well, okay. Well, any other for the podcast then.

You're talking specifically the podcast. Yeah, specifically for the podcast. Like, let's... 2.5 and Jordan Peterson. 2.5, Jordan Peterson. Those are my big two. Those are what's on my mind. Okay, well, for me, folks, I want Frank Peretti.

Can we get Frank Peretti? Like, he isn't Jordan Peter. Frank Prattie is sitting somewhere. I'm told... either in Idaho or Iowa, one of the two. Like, somebody should just walk up and knock on his door. Just be like, sir, there's this guy out of Canada. I would just like to say, thanks for your books.

That's all he wants to do. Frank Peretti. Frank Peretti has become my new white whale. More so than even Jordan Peterson. Isn't that a wild thought? I would really like to, I'd really like to sit and talk to that, man. Why? Why, why is that?

Okay. So, I've talked a lot about, well, I don't know. came back from Ottawa and lots of things were just it took a long time to kind of like recalibrate how the world was because in Ottawa I saw a whole lot that I couldn't make a sense of and then you know you go through the year and you fast forward and I've told on here the story of like going to the

you know I I love the stories of like where you know Jack makes a decision and and he goes to pattern spotters and pattern spotters turns into this, and then you can see how one decision leads into the next, and the next and the next. So, the story with Frank Paredi is,

well, number two episode this year, number three episode this year, number four episode, number four? Number four, I think. Now I've got to pull it up because that's going to bug me. Is it number four? Number three.

Seth Bloom and McKenzie Bloom. So Seth has been, you know, he's been text all the time. Shout out to Seth. listens to everything. And he's been telling me, oh, I listen to this Frank Preddy guy. Listen this Frank Pretty guy. Listen to this Frank Pretty guy. And so, you know, I listen to him. He kind of sounds like Jeff Foxworthy. That's kind of his voice. And anyway, so I listen to it. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how some things when somebody suggests it to you really

knocks it out of the park for you. And then another time when somebody suggests something for you, you're like, yeah, yeah, it was good. But I don't know. It just didn't speak to me, I guess. Yeah, Guardians of Galaxy 3. No, I didn't... Sorry, guys. I haven't even watched it. Was it again? Fair enough.

So, Frank Prattie was kind of like, yeah, you know, yeah. I didn't know who the guy was. I didn't look into him. I just listened to this 45-minute. I guess you could call it a sermon. I don't know what the heck it was. I would call it a sermon, I guess. He's talking about God, but he's talking about a bunch of different things.

So anyways, fast forward. my son's playing u9 hockey started the hockey season he needs a practice jersey and that's different from you seven u7 they wear their game jerseys for all their skates so you know a new dad to that age i had no idea so i'm sitting there at work and i got a guy who works right next door to me i'm telling my problem like ah i guess i'll go buy one and i'm like ah i don't want to go spend a bunch of money on a practice jersey he's like oh i just go to the second hand store i'm like oh it's a actually pretty smart idea and he's he's like he's like he's like he's like Like, yeah, if you'd ask me, like, two days ago, I would have given you one.

I have a ton. But, you know, we took them all to the secondhand store. So if you go there, they're probably sitting there. Oh, okay, great idea. So go down the secondhand store, buy a practice jersey. And then, you know, they got this back room that is, you know, secondhand books. And, like, I love books. But I've been having a real shit time reading books.

Like, I mean, I haven't been able to get in any. Anyways, so I go, I'm talking to myself and I'm going, do I read a book? Do I go in there? If I go in there, I'm going to find something, I know I'm going to find, no, I shouldn't go in there. And finally I'll walk in because I'm like, I'm, you know, like a, you know, a fly to the light or something, you know? Like, I go in and I start looking and I'm like, ah, stupid. It shouldn't come in here. Like, why am I here?

But I've been praying lots. So I said a little prayer. I said, hey, I'm supposed to find something in here. Just kind of pointed out to me, would you? And when you know, like four books later is Frank Peretti. I'm like, hmm, I know that name. Why do I know that name? And so I look up Frank Paredi,

and that video that Seth has been sending me comes up. And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's this guy. Okay, whatever. I'm like, wait a second. How do I know this is you God? Right? Maybe it's somebody trying to leave me astray. And then I open it up, and it's Ephesians 6.

You know, we don't wrestle with flesh. You know, this is just terrible. I can't do scripture, folks. Like, I just... You know what? You know what's funny? Give me one second, Jack. All right. You got it. Well, it's funny because I actually have the book from the bookstore with me.

I've been finishing it. And so I go, how do I know this is you? Right? What happens if this is some nefarious character directing my will? And so I open up the book after I know it's Frank Pretti, and I know that it's sent from Seth Bloom, or that he'd been the one telling me about this guy. And I open it up, and this is what it says.

For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places, Ephesion 612. And I went, oh, okay, yep, so I bought the book, thinking it was an autobiography. Then I read the first page.

And I went, What the heck is this? Like, this is... And I'm like... So I finished the first chapter. I'm like, this is not what I thought it was going to be. So then I look up Frank Paredi, because I'm like, who is this guy?

I thought he was a preacher. Oh, he's an author from Lethbridge, Alberta. This is a long story, folks. I apologize. This is an author from Lethbridge, Alberta, who they called the Christian Stephen King. So everybody knows who says, Stephen King is.

They put this guy in, you know, they use Stephen King, but in the Christian sense. So I start reading it. And I'm not saying that everything he says is completely factual. I have no idea. But to me, what it talks about in the book is close to what I think life is. It's done in a way that reminds me of reading the big books like Lord of the Rings, Dune, Harry Potter, the Alchemist. I probably the alchemist isn't quite as good.

Well, an alchemist pretty good. And all these books that are just like fantastic stories with fantastic imagination. And this guy does it. Just with a Christian background. And I just think parts of it, I'm like, that's exactly what's going on. So that's why Frank Pretti. And he wrote it in 1986, the year I was born. And people might go, oh, and what does that mean?

I'm like, well, I had a woman, and she's probably listening right now. Say to me, the first time she ever texted, you know, what you're doing is you're laying down footsteps for people to follow it. I thought, man, that's a lovely thought. Because in theory, my children, Jack, will be able to come along to this podcast in 10 years' time, start in the middle of COVID, and walk through how my brain shifts, and then ask really intelligent questions,

or find some of the answers of their father that they want. And Frank Peretti has helped, like immensely. in a book that was written the year I was born. Like, I just want to sit down with the man and be like, hey, I don't care if we turn the mics on. Thank you for what you've done, because it's really cool. And he's in his 70s. And although I think he's probably got 20 years left,

what if he's only got three years left, three days left? I will be really sad if I don't get in touch with Frank Preddy. And at this level, with this bloody podcast, I'm like, we should be able to get down to Frank Preddy and be like, hey, come on, or at least, let's have a handshake, let's go for a road trip, let's go meet Frank Preddy, and see what this guy is this. He's from my freaking province.

Like, come on. Same with Jordan Peterson, I might add. So there, Frank Freak and Paredi. All right. That's in the universe. And I'm glad it's out there. Do you think that you would do that for like a 600 special or as soon as you can get them on, get them on? Oh, no.

600. I think this year we will cross 600 and 700. And we'll be close to 800, to be honest. So what I would say is I would gladly put Frank. Peretti or Jordan Peterson as episode 600, 700 or 800. Up until this point, episode 100 was Ron McLean, 200 was Glenn Sather, 300 was the UCP Roundtable debate,

which had the next Premier of Albert on it, 400 was Tamara Leach, 500 was Jonathan Pajot. So, yes, the hundreds have been some big ones, and Jack, I would love to put one of them on there. Or both. Awesome. Oh, that's an interesting thought.

What do you think the conversation would be like between all three of you, if you are all sitting in the room, Jordan Peterson and Frank Freddie? I think I'd be in awe. I think I'd just stand back and let the two of them duke it out, you know? And would that be sufficient for you in the sense of, like, would you be getting everything you wanted out of that if you're just watching? Or do you want to be able to have like a good back and forth with each of them? No.

I don't know. You know, as a host on your side, what do you like? Do you like the back and forth? Or do you like the throw it a question and see the guests light up the question? Yeah, I think it depends on the person. Like Martin Armstrong, for instance, my dad, let's just let it all out. Let's just hear what he has to say. And that's what you did for that episode.

But yeah, but, you know, then someone like Chuck Prodnick, I love to hear you guys go back and forth or Jamie Sinclair. But yeah, those are the fun. ones. I think, you know, it depends on the person for sure. Well, then I would say, you know, with those two guys in the room, do I think I could add to the conversation? Oh, certainly. But I think I'd be better served being the grand facilitator, if you would, that all he does is sit there and just spur the question, the conversation on, just lightly. Because you got two, you know, like, Frank Peretti.

man, I'd love to know where the inspiration for those books came from. I would just love to sit and have a coffee with that, man. Because that is, what he has done is brilliant. And he's faded away into, you know, anonymity. Right? Like, people know who he is. Certainly when I started reading the books, tons of people, Frank, Freddie, I haven't heard that name forever.

Whereas Jordan Peterson is, like, you know, the top of everyone's list right now. I think that's doable. I think that's super doable. Frank, Paredi Peterson? I think so. I don't know. You know, everyone keeps talking about Peterson with me, and it's like, I've literally gotten a message now to the gatekeeper, and he's like, he's too busy right now on tour, whatever,

and I'm just like, what do I got to do? You know, like, what do I have to do? Do I got to fly there? Do I got to come and set my studio up? What do I got to do? You just tell me, and I will do it. Because, you know, once upon a time, I drove to Vancouver to interview Jim Patterson. Jim Patterson's, like, ridiculously uber wealthy on the West Coast.

You go to the West Coast, Vancouver. Everywhere you go, there's a Patterson sign. Like, it's just insane. And his secretary is like, you're going to drive here. I'm like, I'm going to drive there. I'm coming to see you. And that was never a question. Can you imagine?

Jordan Peterson says, yeah, sure, I'll do it. You got to come to Florida. All right, tickets booked. We haven't even got off the phone. Yeah, I know. Tickets booked. Like, come on. Here's my, my, my, 224 deal for you, Sean, is anywhere, if you decide there's someone

worth visiting in the United States and you need to go visit them in person and that's the deal. I'll bring all my equipment. I'll meet you out there and we'll make them happen. You hear that, folks? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. that means that means that means a lot doesn't it because now it's like well who do we want to get in uh 2024 in the united states of america jordan peterson would be nice frank freaky would be

pretty freaking bretti'd be pretty freaking nice who's it who's another name you'd toss in that or jack like who's a guy you've been that you fall that you're like sean knows nothing about this person or maybe i do know a little bit out and you're like that'd be an interesting conversation I have to think of some bigger names. I've got small of people that I know personally that I'm just like these are conversations worth being shared. But you know what? Andrew Tate would be interesting to me.

That was a whole, yeah. Because, yeah, yeah. Are you an Andrew Tate guy? No, an Andrew Tate guy, I think like anyone, if you have the discernment to pick out the nuance and what people say, they're equally as dangerous as everyone else. And I learned a lot from Andrew Tate. Like, honestly, the reason that I started that friend group of people was because I would watch Andrew Tate videos and he'd be talking about how, like, we need to get together and, you know, be a collective.

But at the same time, you know, he was an online pamp and lied to the women that were working for him. And, you know, like, do I like that? No, I'm not on board with that. But that doesn't mean I can't take away something from him, right? if Hitler was like, hey, you guys shouldn't kick puppies, I wouldn't start kicking puppies because it was Hitler that said it, you know? So, yeah, I'm open to learning from anyone and pick out what you can, where you can. You know, we've talked on and offable patterns that you've spotted in life.

You've been with the show now for six months, roughly. Have you noticed any patterns? Well, about the very obvious. obvious one is like patterns and who comes on. Patterns in let's talk about audience interest. I think we should start talking about raising kids. I know you had like the Shelby Boyd and those are obviously the ones that blew up. Like for me it seems like and your audience will probably text you and tell you if I'm right here,

but farmers, you know, mothers, veterans in that area, those things are all people are freaking interested in those things. And like anytime you have Chuck or Jamie on, I'm very interested in just their personalities. But those are the big three. Those are the people that seem like to be your audience. Hmm. Well, I just find it interesting

because I don't know if I've ever had anyone. Certainly, folks, there's going to be a bunch of you in the audience who listen to everything and probably have an answer to throw it Jack well you can certainly text that um why not start the new year off with that yeah patterns that'd be helpful it'd be really interesting yeah what do you think the patterns of the the podcast are that'd be that'd be very interesting um but i i you know besides you know a group

of people who listen to every episode you you sir have your hands on every episode which is a unique a very unique position to have i guess um you think we should go after jamie from the Rogan. Hmm, go after him, you get him on? Yeah. That's an interesting thought. Sure, yeah. Well, you know, I would never say.

Can you imagine, can you imagine if in a world in five years time where, um, let's just talk to podcast, let's assume it's Uber successful. That you'd be sitting in on conversations that are just like, like, think of the people. He doesn't, he literally gets to, he doesn't, he literally gets to. be the fly on the wall. I think there's how many of us would pay for that experience and he gets paid to do it. Like, I mean, the other day when he had Elon Musk on, it wasn't that great of an interview, honestly, but when they ordered the pizza, I was like, this is, this is insane, you know, like they're going to sit, they're going to order pizza from a local place and, you know,

Jamie's just sitting there, you know, doing whatever he's doing, eating the slices, maybe not eating the slices, I have no idea. Maybe, maybe you're smoking a, big cigar with him, who knows. But that guy has access to one of the most interesting human beings on the planet. That's, uh, that's, I mean, and I get a little taste of that, just

working with your podcast, but it's, it's probably surreal. I mean, just, uh, I don't know. How do you look at celebrity? Do you, do you get, there's, there a celebrity that if you met, you'd be nervous? So, I don't know if I've ever, before I had the podcast, I met Daryl Sutter.

Sutter, you probably don't know who that is. So Daryl Sutter was, comes from a family of brothers who all played the NHL. He's been a Stanley Cup winning coach. But he's like this intense, you know, go watch some Daryl Sutter press interviews and you'll laugh. But he's like, you know, you wouldn't imagine he's an NHL coach. And I got to meet him when I was probably about your age. and I was so surprised at how I couldn't get my tongue to work. I was just so like enamored with Daryl Sutter.

Like it makes zero sense. But I would say after Ron McLean came on on my episode 100, I started to realize all these people are just like you and me. They're beyond just you and me. It doesn't mean if I got Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson or Elon Musk or Tucker Carlson or on and on it goes on tomorrow that I wouldn't be like, holy shit, holy shit. Like Martin Armstrong saying, you know, thanks for having me, like that was a surreal moment because I didn't think I was going to get Martin Armstrong.

So I have surreal moments. And if I was walking down the street and Joe Rogan was walking down, would I be a little bit nervous? Not probably. But overall, I know all these people are just like me and you. They just have degrees of success higher than most, even the most successful people. There's still a degree higher, right? Like, I mean, think about Joe, you know, like, how does he stay as humble at times as he is to sit and talk to all these different people when he has success out the wazoo? He's getting paid $100 million.

He's getting access to the smartest minds on the planet and then have some person come in and start talking and him just know, like, he's had so many, like, think of what he's getting to do, Jack. And some small instance, like on a smaller scale, I get to do, is by talking to all these people, you're starting to like level your knowledge up. Just a little bit. I don't think, you know, certain people can really take one conversation and jump levels. But like, you know, the guy's done over 2,000 interviews. He doesn't do solo. So that's 2,000 people or more because of roundtables that he's sat across from,

done this with, gone back and forth. in a time and era where you don't do this with, you know, maybe two other people in your life, maybe. Like, the guy is, is, uh, I'm waiting for his book, his best selling book to drop. You know, like I, I just, the guy has to have a wealth of knowledge just to share with everybody. And I would love nothing more than a sit across from.

I wouldn't be nervous for that one bit. I'd be excited. I'd be like over the moon to just be like, let's talk. Let's say, you want to, drink coffee, you want to drink scotch, I don't care what you want. You want to have a cigar? Let's do it. Let's just sit and have a bullshit. A guy comes up to, or did come up to Alberta and did hunting. That's cool. And you know what out? The thing about podcast, too, is it's like, it's a cheat code. Like, it's exactly, like, because I had a podcast and I still do, but I, you know, I had a psychologist on and I told him all my problems.

And he's like, oh, this, this and I, you know, I cheated the system. Like, I got a therapy session for free. I actually never put that one out but you know, but I've got I brought in Millionaires What's your, what's your podcast? My podcast is, there's only one episode now.

I deleted a bunch of the old ones. Why? Branding, like I'm like, you know, you know me. I'm like, it's to look right and be right. But it's human stories. So like the one that,

the one that I have up on one of my channels right now is with like a legendary teacher that taught me when I was in grade school. and she just left the school. And how was it? It was great. She cried a couple times. It was,

I had my little sister was taught by her too and all of her friends. They said they all cried from it. So it was good. It was really, really great. Do you go into an interview looking, not trying to make someone cry, but do you think that sells? Do you think, do you actually,

do you actually think about that, though, walking into an interview? It, you know, it definitely sells. I, you know, Jimmy Villavano, Bavano, Bavano, yeah, I believe about that. But, you know, the old NC State basketball coach, when he was dying of cancer, his speech was every day you should laugh, you should cry, and you should think.

And if you do that, all three of those things, and every day, you've had a successful day. And then I try to take that philosophy and any time I interview someone. Interesting. You know, it's funny, like, as people have got from me and Jack today, you know, it's been pretty loosey-goosey all over the place. at times I kind of forget that we're doing a, you know,

because me and Jack normally meet once a week and talk through things and whatever. And that's kind of was my mindset on this is like, you know, I didn't have this like, let's dig into Jack's deepest, darkest secrets, right? But at times I'm like, you know, that's what I like about a podcast, is how it can go where it wants. And one of the things I guess I never said, like, but maybe a guy should be a little more intentional on that. I don't know.

That's it, I guess the question is, should you be intentional on making it, you know, making the audience laugh, cry, or think? I don't know. Yeah, I don't have any answer to it. I know, like, I was having this conversation with a friend of mine the other night, but, you know, once I know that I'm able to open someone up, if I choose to do so, is it immoral of me to do it, you know, I struggle with that. Knowing that I can do it, should I do it?

And if I do do it, does that make me taking advantage of the person because I knew I could do it? That's, so, you know, I don't know. I don't have the answers to that. I think, you know, I've thought about, like, if you go back to episode one, folks, with me and Kenny Rutherford, it's pretty bad. Like, I don't mean, like, guest-wise bad. I just think my hosting skills are, like, audio sound, like, it just on and on it goes. And yet, you get to see the journey. and so you know you say I do it because of branding

and yet I go but I kind of want to see where Jack came from you know like I want to see where you were at before you know you got a little bit smoother a little bit of equipment a little of this a little of that and everything was like perfect I want to see the story I want to see it all grow and unfold you know it's an arc and if you take away part of that then it's just you miss something in there you know I completely completely agree I think it's stupid that I deleted those things by the way you don't have it do you have them backed up Oh my God.

I'm not sure. I think I have some of them backed up. I'll send you a couple. I'll send you a couple. I think we all want to see young Jack, hey? The actual 22-year-old Jack. Let's talk Tucker. Before I let you out of here. Okay. So for the audience, Tucker Carlson is live in Eminton at Rogers Place January 24th. It's a Wednesday night. and we have 10 tickets to give away, five sets of two.

Jack, how are we going to do that this year? All right, we've got, we're going to have one set for the, you know, the listener of the Spotify or the Apple podcast. So we've got a set two for those. We've got a set of two. We're going to do a giveaway on our social medias. We're going to be on Instagram as where you should be looking out for that. And then we're going to have three on the substack.

And now you've got one set on the social media. upstack one set of two if you are a subscriber and we have two more chances if you become a why am I blanking on the word but a pledge a pledge if you pledge so you that so and we don't have a ton of pledges obviously uh less pledges in than subscribers um or even listeners so you have way better chances of getting these tougher tickets if you become a pledge like the it's astronaut I think we did the map the other day. Yeah, well, right now as it sits, and I think what we're going to do is we're going to have all three go to the pledges. I think we're going to have all three instead of one just to if you subscribe to Substack, all three go to the pledges.

So that way, and the reason why everyone's like pledges, okay, let's talk about pledges for a second. So one of the ways that you can help the podcast is you can subscribe on Substack. And then you go, okay, well, that's easy. It's an email address. It's an email coming out. You know, you're getting exclusive content. But the thing about substack folks is, is what we're trying to push for is we're trying to push for pledges. Pledges pay roughly $8 a month.

And you can pledge, you know, monthly to yearly on how long you want to subscribe for. And so what we're going to do is right now it's free. You can pledge and it doesn't cost you a dime. It literally just shows us that at some point in the future when we turn it on, that you'd be willing to pay. And what it equates to, you know, I had to, I gotta give Lewis a stang a shout out for this because he was the guy who put the thought in my brain of like what an episode is worth. It's like, you know, I've been talking a long time about, you know, like a dollar an episode,

like would people pay for that? And I forget what price you worked out, Lewis. I think it was like 50 cents. Right now, if you subscribe on, if you pledge on substack, it is, and I'm just going to work out the math again. I want to make sure I get this right. is 31 cents an episode if you were to pledge. And it's not going to charge you anyways, regardless.

So you go to substack, you sign up, you pledge. Then you have right now a three in like 50 chance of getting two tickets to Tucker Carlson. And so everybody should be running over there. The pledge just gives us the, me and Jack have this idea. Jack, part of the agreement in Jack worked out is he, takes in parts of the substack. So if we don't turn the substack on, folks, Jack makes a whole lotping $0.00.

So, like, we're working on pushing that. We just hit 1,000 subscribers. Actually, like 15 minutes before I got an email saying, hey, congrats. You got a thousand people who follow you on substack, which is cool. I'm like, all right, cool. Now we've got to try and convert some of you into pledges

so that we can help afford Jack's services. And what we're going to try and do, along with the exclusive content, is we're going to try and give our pledges some cool offering. The first is three sets of two, so two sets of, or three sets of two, tickets to Tucker Carlson, January 24th. All you got to do is go to Substack and pledge. It doesn't cost you anything because it isn't turned on. You're just pledging for some time in the future, and we hope to see you there.

For the audience listening right now, what you're going to do is you're going to text me your name and where you're listening from. Those are the two things. That's going to be put in for a draw of two tickets, all right? and then pay attention on social media because we're going to leave we're going to toss another set up there as well i hope i explain it to jack any questions off that did i butcher any of that no i think it all makes sense yeah you've got some options here you got some options there a ton of options on sub stack as pledge you know help me sleep at night a little bit if you guys don't mind uh you know and yeah that's that's that's the way we she goes you know um before

you know uh with a couple minutes here left um you know you you've gone all in on your on you how has that been going? You know, because like, from my, this is kind of weird, because I'm like, obviously I'm, I've acquired Jack services and I think it's going very well. But I am curious, you know, like, how has it been going? Do you enjoy, you know, like, because I know from my side of things, the stresses have gone up a little bit, you know,

and there's no one to blame but yourself. It's like, well, get working. It's, you know, it's interesting. it's the most secure at the least secure moment in my life it's the most secure I've ever felt in my life and I actually was talking to someone last land about it and I've always had a control issue

like I had shitty friends at high school and they would leave me behind or whatever and that was out of my control and I couldn't control it or we would go out to a bar and then this person that was driving us would take us to the strip club until 4 a.m. where I'm like I wanted to go home and I needed to,

control. I was out of control. So now I'm at a point where it's my future is in my control. Everything, my work ethic. It's all dependent on me. And it's being that being in control, I've never felt so secure in my life. Say that line one more time for me. It's the most secure you felt in your life at the most insecure time. Yep. Yeah. What do you mean by insecure time? you know on on paper it's i don't have a income coming in every two weeks uh by some i mean i do but i don't because it's dependent on my work right like i don't have insurance because of uh companies helping me out i don't have all these different benefits it's i'm like a fish just flopping around the big ass ocean and and here away we go it's

on paper it's insecure uh but but in my core I know that I'm going to do the right things, and I know I'm going to work hard, so I'm secure. I'm good. That's cool, man. Well, here's 2, 2024. Happy New Year to everybody. Any final thoughts before we let you out of here?

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Love to be a part of that. Cool, man. Well, thanks for hopping on doing this. Look forward to the next year of harassing St. Louis Jack. I loved how at the start, you know, he, I guess I call him Bigfellow a lot. So on our weekly call, his name is Bigfellow. He started off the interview instead of having his name there, his big fellow there.

I'm like, all right, all right, fair enough. Well, regardless, Jack, we're happy to have you aboard on this side. I hope the audience has enjoyed a little look behind the podcast. podcast with one of the guys who's helping move it along. And, you know, what better way to start out 2024 than having a guy who's helping, you know, help the last six months. And hopefully, you know, I hope. I hope it lasts a lot longer than that. And I look forward to, you know, seeing what we can do here in the coming days and weeks and months and this year. And once again, just thanks for hopping on. Thank you for having me, Sean.