Shaun Newman Podcast - #577 - Blue Collar Roundtable

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

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Now this ain't a joke. It's Peter Moran, Drew McKay, and Joey Stephan for the first ever blue-collar roundtable. That's the Guardian blue-collar roundtable. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the first ever guardian plumbing and heating blue-collar roundtable. So thanks, gents, for making the trip in and doing this. Thanks for having us.

Appreciate it. Now, for the audience, we got some newcomers to the podcast. You got to go way back when to Joey Stephan being on the podcast. He's probably the only one that everybody will know him from the ads of Guardian plumbing and heating. And they've decided to, you'll see it on the logo on when the video comes out of this. We got a new fancy little logo for the blue color roundtable. So Joey Stefan's joining us from here in Lloyd Minster. You got Drew McKay to my right coming in.

from Rocky Mountain House. And then Peter Moran, Moran. Moran. Moran. Yeah, I can't. I'm butcher a name. Might as well. Coming all the way from Manitoba.

So we got all three provinces represented here, gents, which should be fun as well for the first ever blue collar roundtable. So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to go around the room. That way people can get used to your voice and just, you know, go as long or short as you want. But just your name and maybe your background, what you do. for living where you're from. And if you want, any fun little tidbit for the audience, we'll start with Peter.

Well, as John said, my name is Peter Moran. I'm a bricklayer out of Manitoba, live out in Southeast Manitoba near Steinbeck. And I've been in the business since 2019 and on my own, sorry, 2009. And then on my own for the last three years since 2021. And why did you drive? you know, Joey had to go just like two minutes to get here, you know. And I got a ride. Why did you answer the call from 11 hours away?

Because you asked. Because I asked. Well, that's a good answer. Were you like, this is, this is. So this time of year is, is our slower time of year anyway. So it's not like I'm pushing a whole bunch of stuff off. And, you know, me and the wife get to spend a total of 24 hours together in the truck. can, you know, come out here and connect with some like-minded people a few provinces away.

So like easy decision. Cool. Joey? Yeah. Joey Stefan. Um, appreciate you, Sean. Um, getting my last name right. First try here that you've gotten that figured out.

That's makes me sound a lot less French now. Thank you. Stefan. German. Stefan German. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm Joey. I'm from Lloyd.

Minster for the past since 2004, however many years that is, 2005. And yeah, Guardian plumbing and heating. Yeah, we've got our off grid power stations for homeowners and farmers and camps. And yeah, and we, yeah, we like Lloyd and we like Canada. And we, yeah, we like this Sean Newman dude. Drew. My name is Drew McKay, Andrew McKay, I guess, technically. I come from small town Saskatchewan in the middle of nowhere, agricultural technician background, as QDM would like to say. Immigrated to Alberta in 2002, 01, I guess.

And, yeah, met my lovely wife in 2005-ish. Kind of the rest of history. set up shop, electric contractor at a Rocky Mountain House. I've worked for quite a few different businesses along the way, but yeah, like the area

that we're in and really really want to make sure that that way of life can be preserved for the next generation. Well, gents, I appreciate you all answering the call and making the first ever roundtable. You know, I come up with a lot of, I think, dumb ideas. This one,

I don't think is one. I think this one's pretty like solid idea. We'll see what the audience says after we're all done. Better not be. You guys got to hang out now a little bit over the course of the last 24 hours. You know, I'm going to start us. I'm going to say this, you know, I got three older brothers. And when they come in and do the roundtable, the lovely thing about the brothers round table is they

know each other so well that it doesn't come. And, you know, and I haven't had to explain this a lot. I don't want it to be like a game of ping pong. I don't want me the host to have to just constantly, you know, like feel free to jump in whenever you want. Being in the studio, you can talk over one another. I would, you know, I hope it'll be respectful. But at the same time, the mics and everything allow for it, you know, we're not going to glitch out because of technology when it comes to the audio or we shouldn't one hopes. So feel free to jump in whenever you want. If there's something you want to get off

your chest or, you know, or you have some thoughts or you want to add to something, it doesn't have to come back to any one of us in here. And the brothers do it exceptionally well because they're probably brothers and and after we all got a not afraid of the mics you know it flows very well so that's what my hope for this is now it's asking a lot out of three guys who just met um well drew you just met everybody this morning and then uh peter and and and joey met last night so um i'm asking a lot out of it where i want to start is uh you know the idea behind this is i've i've I've had two thoughts over the last probably year. One is military guys don't get talked to an awful lot.

And everybody's started to see on the podcast, how often I bring on now, Chuck Prodnick, Jamie Sinclair. The next one is going to be Willie. Willie's coming on with Jamie. And I've started to do what we've coined the military roundtable. Just because,

you know, world events are happening. And to have their thoughts on it is really interesting. And the other one I always think is the blue collar group never gets, you know, they're doing the work is probably why. But they never seem to be in on the conversations. when it comes to, you know, our politics or innovation or on and on a go.

So I thought, why don't we start just by talking about what went down in Alberta about 10 days ago. You know, we had Shane Getson and Nathan Newdorf on the Tuesday mashup. And what that came from was the emergency alert of the power grid. And, you know, I was like, I wonder what a group of, well, I mean, with this group coming together, I'm like, That's where I want to start. I don't know where this thing ends. It'll probably have a life of its own, but I thought maybe we'd just start there. Anyone can hop in here because I just, you know, the alert came on my phone and I went, are we that close? And then to hear Nathan Nehurt of say, if we were that close,

they would start having brownouts and they'd lock people out of power for 30 minutes at a time. And that's how they were going to get through it in minus 40 weather. I thought, wow, what a crazy thing for Alberta, the energy capital of Canada. Canada, maybe even North America, to have an issue of that proportion. Yeah, it was nearly catastrophic. And I guess just to sort of to frame this up a little bit, the province that did not have these issues with Saskatchewan. And the reason for that is they managed to convince themselves that coal generation is not,

you know, the end of the world. and that you can use it in a manner that is acceptable. But in Alberta, we decided that we didn't want to believe that. So we shut in all of our reliable baseload power years ago, thanks to Rachel Notley. Yeah. She did step down. She did. That's awesome.

Which is about 10 years too late, but that's fine. That cold talk, it's kind of wrong thing, though. Yeah. A little careful with that. Yeah. Why? Why? It's not wrong thing, but that's what they're trying to frame it.

Come on. I just want to say one more thing. I want to thank my wife for me being here. We had a baby five days ago and Blaine being out of the country. I was the guy to show up. So thanks to my wife for making that happen still. Sorry. Thanks, Melissa.

Yeah. For making that happen. You rock. Shout out to a rat. A rat, yes. It's a good thing you know his name. Choose the next generation. Yeah, exactly.

Sorry. That interrupt the show there. More good people having lots of kids. We need it. It's great. But not, not to just steal the conversation here on the on the power side of things, but it there is blame to be had within our system as well. Because it's not that we didn't have the capacity to handle those temperatures.

For some reason, there was a certain amount of our production. was down, whether it was maintenance issues, whether it was because of the cold, I don't think anybody's talking a whole lot about that yet, but if we would have had everything running, it would have been a non-issue on the natural gas side of things. We all know that there isn't anything from renewables coming at those temperatures. But yeah, I guess to solely lay the blame on the predecessors is a little, a little bit harsh because we probably could have helped ourselves out a little bit. Did anyone actually go out of power? Did it happen? I know the alerts were there. Calgary area had quite a few roaming brown notes. Yeah. Calgary did. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? I don't

know if I was I was shaking my head. I didn't think anyone, uh, I hadn't heard that. I thought so too, but, uh, there's been a few stores in that area. Um, the one, there was one actually quite notable one. I believe it was Paul Brand. Really? Yeah. I, I shouldn't say I should look it up again, but I got a couple of customers right in that area. I better send a text. See if they lost. They wouldn't have lost power because they got our system, but. Shameless, shameless, shameless advertising.

Showed out to the Guardian Power Station. We should see if that because they're, um, this customer's south of, um, Calgary just on the edge out of town. But I guess if we do want to get serious about as individuals what we can do, then, you know, like yours, any sort of backup you can come up with and provide your own heating solutions. Right? I think there's even in rural Alberta, there's a lot of people that aren't set up for any sort of outages, right? Well, you think, you know, um, when you think of this area and you go, what's like some of the biggest issues we could face, like a choke point. Like what's, isn't minus, isn't that the night, the night when the emergency alert comes out, isn't that our biggest thing we face in this area where we live?

Minus 40 weather and not having power coming to your house to heat it? Yeah, that's, that's the ultimate thing that wants to kill you in this part of the world is the cold, right? Yeah. So if you were sitting around putting your brains together on, for people like, oh, well, you just saw a big scare and then go, that'll never happen again. I'm going to say chances are the possibility went up, not down, especially with 2026 coming around the corner, having the premier on here talking about the cars, right? And the fact that we're going to be 2026, what percentage is, 60 percentage cars that are going to be sold need to be EVs? And so it's not like it's going to happen overnight, but what's going to happen is more EVs are going to be coming onto the system. which means we're going to get closer to the brink than further away.

Am I wrong in my thinking there? No, and I think that they got to market it different. Like right now, they're marketing as oil and gas and nuclear. These are all bad things. But really, we all want a diesel truck that goes 2,000 kilometers on a tank. We all want more power and we want to spend less on fuel. So all they have to do is allow us to do it at the right rate.

Like electric vehicles, I don't know, the way they've, they've got so many people pissed off about them and these people haven't even tried them. My dad just friggin hates them and I haven't gotten them in one yet. And I love them. But it's for around your town, not for driving to Calgary. Right. And the Edison Motors guys, like that was, that's cool. Like there's there's there's. There's killer stuff.

Chase. Yeah. Yeah. They can do killer stuff. But we just got to market. it different. Like we can't have everyone driving to Calgary and back with electric vehicles. Like we're six hours from Calgary. It doesn't work. But then, yeah, we just got to market a different. Right. We want more efficiency. We want more power, like horsepower. But to say that gas is bad,

don't make it cheaper to run electric with more power and we're going to go for it. But tell us our gas engines and our loud pipes are bad. That's horrible. Well, and you're going to run into the issue then of more power being drawn off the grid. And if it's already an issue where you're having rolling brownouts and a minus 40 and you have more power coming off the grid off the grid to charge cars. And that's where we need to have our solutions. Isn't that where Chase Barber hops in and he's talking about the diesel power or the diesel generator? Yeah, diesel electric. So then you wouldn't have more grip up. I mean, you would in a sense because you could charge. it, but in the other sense, it's running off a diesel engine like a generator.

Yeah. See, what we do is we make your house that hybrid. So exactly what he's doing in trucks is what we do out to houses. The difference is, is he has a thousand hours going on a, on a truck a year, on a one ton or these work trucks. And we do 8,000 hours a year on a house. So we need a little different engines. But we hybrid your house so that you can power your car. So then we don't add anything to the grid and you can have. have an electric car. That's why we just need system on every house. Yeah, except from an electrical standpoint, that car combined with that heat pump has now

doubled the size of your electrical requirements for your home. And that's, that's a point that a lot of people are sort of sidestepping is charging your Tesla right now is equivalent to leaving your electric oven on the entire night. We, we can't sustain that. Well, and the thing is, is the Tesla, you can choose how fast it charges. So now we size them a system that it doesn't take anything extra from the grid. So we can make it. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Just use your generator well. And you need to heat. So it's free electricity instead of taking it from the grid and paying for it. Yeah. But then we're still burning that fossil fuel. But you were anyway. The power to charge the car when we may as well just burn that fossil fuel in the car. Yeah.

Well, it's much more efficient. Well, it would be much more efficient to have the system running on natural gas or coal or nuclear. Because then when that's centralized, you're getting with the ratio of power created to power, I'm using the wrong terminology. You know this better than I do, Drew. But it's more efficient to have more people running off a big grid than it is to have everybody have their own little thing. No? Am I wrong in that? No, yeah. Because when you create electricity, right, with natural gas, nuclear, it wins. It's deadly in many ways. But natural gas, when we make electricity with natural gas, we create all this heat and then we just throw it away. When we create the electricity in your home, you already need the heat. That's a nice thing. If my system in Texas, unless you're heat,

a pool already, it might not make sense. But here, if I make the amount of electricity I can make with how much heat fuel you're already burning in your house, so I don't have to up your gas bill to get rid of your electric bill and power your Tesla and make your electrical bill disappear. And we've added zero fossil fuels to that equation. As long as your heating isn't electric, right? Oh, if your heating's electric, you're insane. Yeah, you're, right? And thank you. And he yeah, friggin nuts, right? Well, and you can try, right? Like, that's the thing is that the Canadian, our Saskatchewan people can heat their house with electricity because you've got this Sask energy, this communist created socialist.

Whatever. Yeah, exactly, whatever. We've met it over hydrosy. Right. But you guys got hydro. So it's good electricity. Yeah. And, I, and, I, yeah, we got hydro. And, I'm not. And, yeah, we've got hydro. And Saskatchewan electricity, they, they don't pay enough rurally for their electricity. Sorry everybody. But that's a, they get a, it's cheap. Our one controller, her and her husband run their house electric and it's cheaper than someone's paying for their gas bill in Lloyd. Like that's, those numbers don't work out, right? It's being subsidized on one end and being taxed.

So everyone's paying for everybody else's electricity in Saskatchewan, which is pretty well. wild. And we all have a better off than Ontario does. Yeah. As far as prices. I don't know. What's it cost to heat a house in Ontario? I wouldn't know the numbers offhand. I know that it is somewhere around double or triple what we pay in Manitoba. Their price to be kilowatt hour. Yes. Oh, wow. Where are they getting their power from? You guys? It's a mix. They have some hydro. They've got some coal. They have a little bit of nuclear, especially southern Ontario. They got some nuclear. They have nuclear. And oh yeah. We have nuclear in Canada.

Oh, yeah. The GTA area. Yeah. There's a huge nuclear plant just right out just outside of Peterborough. Really? Yeah. That's beautiful. Now, I got to, I got to do this before I forget because I'm going to forget.

I don't, I don't want to. So one of the things, one of the things we started doing in the, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the new year is, uh, is, um, is, is bringing, you know, you guys travel a long way. So you got Drew coming in from about four plus hours. You got Peter coming in from 11. And, I mean, once again, Joey had to catch a ride here. But one of the things we're trying to do this year is show a little appreciation. So, you know, you got the podcast hat.

You got a mashup shirt. And then Silver Gold Bowl has got, we started with Ken Drysdale. So this is the next generation. You got a one ounce silver coin with the buffalo. Yeah. This might be the coolest gift I've ever gone. Yeah, no, this is awesome. I love Buffalo.

Bison. Yeah. So that's, I don't know. Thank you, Sean. Yeah, thank you very much. I mean, I want more people to come to the studio. And I wish I had. That's how you do it right there, bribery.

It's funny. I have the premier coming in here and I'm not allowed to give her the gift. So I'm going to show it to her and be like, but you can't keep it. Like I have to take that back. This is what you would get. But you're the premer. Yeah. It's, it's, I, I'll probably say this a lot for the next.

couple months, but anytime somebody comes to the studio and really makes an effort to come to the studio, I don't have the bankroll to give, you know, I don't know, a plane ticket or, you know, two nights of hotels and all this. I just don't. And I'm actually thinking to you yet, yet. That's right, Peter. And most people are like Lloyd Minster. Where is that, they see. And I love it here. And coming even in the winter. So, you know, when I got talking to Silver Gold Bull about it, We got talking about what if we gave out a one ounce silver coin? Well, geez, I don't know. How many people get out giving a one ounce silver coin that often?

Not that often, right? So, yeah, thanks for coming in and doing this, guys. It's an honor to have you in the studio and do this. And I hate to interrupt a good discussion, but I wanted to do it before I forgot about it. And at the end, I'm like, oh, did I mention that? But yeah, I'm going to have to go buy more hats. One of the things about the hats is, you know, you sell a few. you have a few.

And all of a sudden you start giving them out. And also I'm like, oh, I guess I'm going to need to get a few more of those, you know. It's probably something you three as business owners know all about. You know, you're asking me about hats. Drew's giving me an AMC electrical hat before. And so anyways, long tie rate off. Thanks for making the trip and doing this because I hope to be able to do this on and on and on again throughout the year. And silver gold bulls helped give something that is kind of unique.

Absolutely. Very unique. Yeah, I love it. Thank you. Thanks for giving a voice to people like us. Appreciate it. Do you, uh, on a, on a silver topic, have, do any you guys, are any of you guys for silver, gold, are you, you Bitcoin? Can I speak about what I think on this? No, um, we're going to turn off Joey's mic. There's this product that's colored like gold. And it's honey. Oh, liquid gold. Liquid gold. You know where I come from? My town is named Cleefeld. On our sign, it's literally the land of milk and honey. We have more bees in my area than probably anywhere in Canada.

That's cool. Most of the honey, well, no, I shouldn't say most. I don't know the exact numbers. A lot of Canadian honey comes from southeast Manitoba. Really? Interesting. There's some amazing bee farmers out there. And it's also a lot of dairy, so land of milk and honey.

Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Honey's amazing. So why honey? But why is that the next thing? Well, you know what? If crap really hits the fan and someone comes to me with silver or gold and they want to buy ammo and guns from me, not that I can sell that stuff. Not that I have that stuff.

I would take, I would take honey, right? You bring me honey and you get ammo, right? What's gold? What goods gold? I don't even know what it, well, but buy silver and gold from silver gold bowl. I don't. That's funny. You don't have to buy silver and gold from silver.

I love it. On this podcast, do I ever go, you've got to make sure you do this? No, I let you think for yourself. And we allow opinions on everything. We're going to edit out Joey's comments and just skip over that. But I don't think you have to be pro silver and gold to enjoy getting a silver coin or to see some of the importance of how diversifying away from our financial system right now. My dad would melt this down.

and make water. Oh, and make what? He makes a colloidal silver with it. So he, he buys bars of silver and turns this into this colloidal silver. It's pretty wild. Yeah.

It's funny. I think I have one of those. He gave me one of those ones quite time. It's, it's sitting at the house. It must be sitting at the house. Yeah. Yeah.

So he creates a market for making more silver because he makes it so we make it disappear into our bodies. Maybe it stores somewhere in our. liver or something. I'm gonna have to ask him with that someday, colloidal silver. I didn't realize. It's pretty cool.

Like dad uses it on everything. I just my ears and eyes, if you have an eye infection and you stick that in it, it's pretty cool. Makes it feel scratchy and it, yeah, in ears. You gotta be careful because some of it, it, uh, it isn't necessarily pure. I just found that out too. Yeah. No, so dad does all those tests.

He's got the, yeah, I don't know. You will, we'll have to have dad. Works good for sore throats, cuts. Yeah. Well, that's funny because here's, here's, I have a haven't, I haven't, I haven't asked this yet. And, um, but I've got an idea for the, the next couple of roundtables. And one of them is the old boys.

And I actually want your dad to represent. Yeah, you got to get dad on. Well, and I want my dad who's been trucking. And then, uh, we got a guy out of, uh, um, Calgary who's been a mechanic. I think it's 50 years. Forgive me. I can't remember. But hey, here's me reaching out via a podcast.

I'm trying listening. If you really feel bad about your white male privilege, you can actually, actually drink enough silver that you're supposed to turn blue. There's a guy that turned blue from it, I guess, because he drank so much of it. So, so you can even change facts for the day and give you defense against werewolves or something. You can do whatever you want. When you're not white, like it brings on a whole ton of different stuff. Is anybody pro, uh, pro silver and gold? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Bitcoin. I think that's a separate conversation because if you're looking at something that you can use if all hell breaks loose,

then something that's based on an electronic system probably isn't going to be beneficial. I could be totally wrong, but that just seems like kind of the weak spot on Bitcoin. But I mean, silver and gold, just as an investment in general, you can never really go wrong with it, historically speaking. It's been there the whole time. It's held its value. Yeah. As long as society doesn't go back to the. Stone ages.

It'll hold its value as basically, you know, it's been thousands of years of where it's been the metals. And as much as I think honey's the real currency, I think if you took gold, if, if crap hit the fan, I'd probably figure out how to weigh gold. And yeah, I see it as an amazing currency and a storage of wealth. How much do you guys put, you know, you're looking at the world right now. And I think the four of us over the last 24 hours have had on and off con. conversations about prepping in different things to, you know, like we, we started this conversation

off with the energy grid and brownouts. And if it is in fact in Calgary, that means in Alberta this year there have been brownouts. I never thought I would utter that line, which leads us to, you know, like, well, how do you prepare? How do you get off, you know, how do you protect yourself from the grid having brownouts, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. When you stare at the world of today, how much time and effort, I don't know if that's the right way to phrase it, but regardless, do you put into thinking about, I don't know, is it prepping or like, you know, everybody thinks the world's going Western. Is it going Western or, you know, I'm asking six different questions here.

Do you guys put much time into that? And then do you think it's actually going that way? Yeah, I'll hop in. So we obviously spent a little bit more time and effort into it in 2020, 2021. we have some contingencies. But one thing that we realized was the most important thing was the community. And if the community is not with you, it doesn't matter how much you have prepared. When you're on your own, you're done.

So when you say, you're not going to last that long. When you say community, what have you done specifically then to foster community? We dove in deep in not creating. strengthening relationships with the people we're already friends with that also add something to you know when crap hits the fan so i have really good friends that are you know you call them best friends or something whatever one's mechanic has been his whole life um one is a has an orchard and and vegetable vegetable farm we have everybody has different skills that they bring to the table.

So each person doesn't have to prepare everything. We have places we can go where we're a little bit more remote from even the town. Never mind the cities. Together where we can bring all that together. We have just a solid base for all of us to be able to work together in that kind of a scenario. So if I'm reading between the lines, and I hope I'm not Brian too much, but you're on the show, so here we go. You don't live in Winnipeg, right? No.

You live in a smaller center. You don't need to say the center. And what you're saying is, if I read between the lines, is you've already found a place that's outside that if it were to ever certain things were to happen. Yes. Correct? Yeah. Is that a common thought in the room or have any of you thought that far down the road? Well, I already live in that place essentially.

Right. Like I also ranch on the side as well as being an electric contractor. So we've sort of set ourselves up for, you know, having what we need for our family and friends. And you get to know your neighbors around you. And I mean, that's one thing that it's sort of a lot too, the way you said, but people don't even take the time to get to know who's living beside them anymore. So you have no idea to know if that person would be of assistance to you if you needed them or if they would be the person. be the person that would come and, you know, steal your food out of your freezer when you're gone, right? So that that word community, I think it really starts just that simple. You have to

start with the people directly beside you. And if, if they're not people that you can depend on, well, maybe you need to be in a different area. I don't know. Yeah. You know what? I think Sean's been a little bit of part of that as well here in Lloyd because we're in the same community. And you know, we've, we've gotten to know a lot of people that we'd, we'd have each other's backs in situations like that and, um, and knowing who's, who's farming, who's, who's making food, right? Like we've got the hutterites. You know what? They are, you know what? They're, they're great group. They feed a lot of our communities and, and there's some awesome people out there. And we've got Absolutely.

Two great hutter eight colonies near Lloyd here that, um, you know what? When restaurants wouldn't feed us, they'll feed us. Right. And there, it's pretty killer.

And, uh, you know what, knowing, um, yeah, do you know what, just having friends and family that, that are like minded.

And yeah, you know, they wouldn't tell on you if you had, you know what, I'm totally good with, with breaking rules like masks and, um, having too many people in your house.

because I don't remember us giving the government authority in our lives to choose how many people are at my house. And I won't let them do that. So you know what? I think it's good to have, you have enough people around you. You take Nealberg. You know what? They were able to take a community and open it up in a really tough time when other cities were shutting down. So yeah, no, it's and that's because they knew each other.

So get to know your neighbors. And then you can get through anything. right and you get a three guys like us in here right of course I'm going to get the crap away from your house so that um you don't poison yourself and uh having someone to build brick brick fireplaces and and brick houses right like you need that right and you got an electrician you know what you're you can you can power anything right it's and then you got me and I'm going I um I I joke about this all the time like man I'm going to have to start No, it's simple.

I'm going to have to buy a couple of cattle, or I'm going to have to get a couple of bees, so Joey will let me through the door. Honey, man. That's all you got to have. White voice goes, why do you keep buying honey? I'm like, is some day this is going to come in handy with Joey, Stefan.

He's going to be like, you got the honey. I'm like, I got the honey. It doesn't go bad. So it's amazing. It's going to go wrong. It's true. Joey, on one of our trips when I went, I was looking at some of guardians.

So he took me to one of the farmers. And we don't need to say who it was. But anyways, we went down in the basement. and we're looking at the system and I walk around the corner and there is this wall of honey I'm like oh my god he's like oh you like honey

I'm like yeah this is like this is really impressive he's like oh just take a jar just have a jar so I come home with the jar and I was like what is that I'm like honey she's like you brought more honey home I'm like yeah I'm like this stuff looks like it's been on the shelf

for a couple of years too I'm like it's got the crust on the top oh yeah oh hello yeah right like I remember when I first was like when I was younger I didn't understand honey. And I'm going to be honest, I don't understand a lot about honey. I remember thinking like honey needed to be like smooth all the time, you know, like almost like syrup.

And then the more I start to learn about how commercialized honey is made, I'm like, oh. So basically what I get from the store is junk. Crap. And then I started buying like actual honey. And I've told this story probably way too many times on here. But the first time I had it in my tea at night and it like, it's the best sleeping aid I've ever had. Like I mean, drool on myself, wake up in the morning and have. have a hard time get going because it knocks me down so much or knocks me out.

It's wonderful. So when Joey talks about it being, yeah, you know, it's the nectar. It is. Necter. Yeah, it is. Oh, man. It's, it's, um, you know, I, I wonder, you know, about the audience. I assume so many of them have gone through the steps of, you know, if they've been through

a lot of the things that we've all been through through COVID, they've probably worked out a couple of steps to where they're, you know, this is what we're going to do in said situations. But I mean, one of the things is that maybe nobody's thought of that, right? Maybe we've got a bunch of new listeners who've been like, one of these guys talking about. Yeah. You know, nothing wrong with the world. You know, what's one of the most concerned?

It's fine. You know, from guys who do the work and got their hands on the things, what's one of the most concerning things you see right now going on in Canada? Reducing CO2. To reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is anti-human. it's anti-progression. It's what the world lives on and survives on, right? We need oxygen. What's oxygen?

It's a byproduct of photosynthesis through plants and plants feed on CO2. And it's just the most basic idea of life they're trying to demonize. The most basic principle that the world and life on this planet was built on, these people are essentially saying is bad and that's scary because once you, once you invert that principle, there's really nothing that can't be flipped at that point. Because if you take their idea to its full extent, we're going to reduce all CO2 the humans event. We're going to even let's take it further than that. We're going to get rid of all the CO2 in the world, which you can.

because volcanoes put out so much of it that we could never match. We could never match one volcano. But so you have a lot less plant life on Earth because humans turn CO2 back into oxygen. Or sorry, other way around. We turn oxygen back into CO2 and the plants tend to CO2 back into oxygen. So us breathing in and out or animals for that matter is what gives the plant food like you're talking about. And we're talking about a breakfast. Although the earth now is greener by like.

15% than it was 100 years ago. Yeah, that's a crazy number. China has more trees now than they did 100 years ago. China has a lot more pollution now, quote unquote pollution, CO2 emissions than they did 100 years ago. And that's just because we've gone from 300 ppm to 400 ppm, right? Like we were by all means still in what you would basically call an ice age state 100 years ago, right? at 200 ppm, 250 ppm.m. We worked our way up to 300 ppm.

And now we're at 400. Now, can you explain the PPN? Parts per million. So that's 400 ppm is 0.004% of the atmospheres made up of CO2. How long ago could they read that though? Like how far back could we read? Well, that's a good question. We're relying on samples of ice to give us.

that data at this point, right? So in which then we're relying on the science. When they don't know when the ice was even. Yeah. Yeah. There's, it becomes a lot of questions. Just some good guesses. Yeah. Or some guesses. We shouldn't put good on it. But the, uh, the estimations, I guess, behind the science say that we were at 1,200 ppm at a point when the world was doing very well. There was abundant wildlife and plant life. And would that have been like the medieval warming period like the, what was it? Like 400 years ago, roughly? No, I think this, I think this they're saying goes back hundreds of thousands of years. That would be really coming out of a technical ice age. It would be that medieval warming period, right?

Okay. So this is, this is just a quick article I pulled up. It says this is written two years ago, actually almost three years ago, 20, 21. on. The earth is greener now than it was 20 years ago. It says the earth has become 5% greener in 20 years in total. The increase in leaf area over the past two decades corresponds to an area as large as the Amazon rainforests. And this article equates it to ambitious tree planning projects in intensive agriculture, mainly in China and India. So there's that. But it goes on. The green phenomenon was discovered using satellite data in the mid-90s by Ranga Manina together with colleagues from Boston University.

And at that time, it was not known that human activity was one of its main direct causes. So they're, you know, I was wondering if Google was going to allow me to pull it up. Because, you know, it's like, what is Google going to pull? And it just goes on and on. Earth greener than 20 years ago. Forbes says, NASA says, Earth is greener today than it was 20 years ago. These are all articles written in the last little bit. So, you know, like it's one of the things.

I think Stephen Barber was the first guy who came on this podcast, upstream data, right? He's mining Bitcoin from waste gas in the oil field. And that was the first thing he said was, you know, I'm not buying into this green agenda. Because I'd say, man, you could make a boatload of money calling yourself a green technology. I mean, you're literally taking waste gas and he's like, ah, I don't buy into it. And one of the things he'd mention was back then, and this a couple of years ago now, for sure, was exactly that. We're greening the earth. It's not the opposite way around.

Yeah. Yeah, so go ahead. I wonder how many trees like, like I like that they're filling, they're, they're logging and they're filling in with trees. Mm-hmm. I think it'll naturally happen, but it is nice because it looks better when we're filling it back in. That's really, I think, I think the world does it all on its own and a lot better.

Well, I mean, we just read on the mashup this week. You know, think of all the climate hysteria when Kelowna was burning down, when Nova Scotia had the largest fire and on and on and on. And now they've charged a guy in Nova Scotia for setting that fire. Really? Largest Nova Scotia in history, folks. And then Quebec, they just charged a guy for letting off forest fires there. And, you know, you'd think this would be big media, although I'm, I don't know, maybe I don't need to say this out loud in this room, but, you know, at this point with media, if it isn't alternative media, then you're not getting the full story. And certainly them coming down.

hard on climate change and saying we need to stop, stop, stop, and everything's going that way. Then to find out that what they've been saying, you know, Alberta was one of the first talking about how many of them have been set by arson, right? But the media wouldn't talk about it. Or wouldn't at least give it its, it's a do, you know? Everything is climate and it's all human and we're all doing these things, you know, to hear you guys talk about it. I don't know. It's, it just seems like more and more things every day point towards the direction of what you're talking about. We're greening the earth. And if we go the opposite way, we're going to really destroy different parts of life.

Where were most of the fires, public land, right? In Europe, they don't have a forest fire problem like we do. Mind you, they don't have nearly the forestation anymore that we do. Most of their forests are private own. Their private land. And it's inherent in owning that that you need to take care of it. Fires or forests naturally will just burn. There's a cycle.

When it gets left alone too long, stuff builds up in the bottom, your underbrush, you're rotting down trees. Eventually that lights and goes. If there's people caretaking the forest, you can keep it lush and beautiful and great and with a lot less risk of fire. But because so much of our forestry is on public land,

nobody's taken care of it. And it just gets left. It gets left to rot, which is fine, because it'll take care of itself. It'll regenerate, but it will burn. Lightning will start it on fire at some point or some other thing. Maybe it's a human. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's lightning.

And it'll burn and it'll come back greener, more beautiful, just as beautiful as it was before. It's the natural cycle. So this is not new. So when they, in Canada, where you know it's a big scam when it comes to this agenda, is they won't allow us, in all their programs, they won't allow us to use even wood burning. So pellet, pellet boilers, they don't fit in this new agenda. Even though you take a tree, you drop it on the ground,

gives off the same emissions as it rots and disappears, as if you burn it in a clean burning pellet boiler. And most people don't realize that. And I'm not, I don't know the science fully behind that. of course, I'm probably botching something. But there was a couple of groups. They're building these communities. One was going to be in BC and one was in Ontario and they came to us for some solutions.

And they wouldn't allow us to use wood. It had to be electric. It had to be heat pumps, which they have their place. If you have lots of power, hydro and if you have nuclear, I love heat pumps. I love geothermal for those situations. We don't have that here. So for now, we won't be pushing that if we have. Well, and if you're not that overly cold as well.

It doesn't that actually doesn't matter. It's all about how much you pay for power. Our power is made because our power is made with natural gas. So it's always going to be unless they, they, um, don't charge the power plants, the same carbon tax. Your electric bill is going to go up with your, um, natural gas. So to heat your house with geothermal. in our area ends up being more money than how than the really efficient boilers and furnaces.

Absolutely. And so if electricity was free, yes, we can size geothermal to heat. No problem. Heat pumps are an amazing invention and they have their place. But it's not in Alberta and Saskatchewan yet. If we get all nuclear, I'll change the way I'm doing it. And we can sell our natural gas. I got to wait I thought heat pumps could only go tell minus something yeah so so heat pumps are amazing they are an air conditioner just turned back they yes the whole process is backwards so you're using air source heat pump in that situation so you're taking and you're cooling outside well you heat inside so we've got a couple of people that don't have they want to lower their natural sorry their propane usage so we give them a bunch of solar and then we put a heat

pump on their house and then as soon as it gets to minus weather, we stop the heat pump because they're not efficient anymore. And so you... So it's not that it won't go. It's that it's efficiency drops. Your compressor will freeze off. Yeah and it won't go. Below minus 10 and it just won't.

Well you can heat it up but you have to use electric elements to heat it. Okay. So we are getting into the point here where we're building a box where we live in minus 40 and although minus 40 only happens for two weeks of the way. matter is below minus 10. Minus 10, yeah, he's right. And but the thing is, is that's why as soon as you go to geothermal, it's the exact same as a heat as an air horse,

air horse, air horse, beautiful. An air source heat pump is using the air to do the process. When we do ground source, that's geothermal. All that's different, you're using the same compressors, just instead of having fins and blowing the cold outside, you're taking the ground temperature. So all summer you heat the ground and all winter you cool the ground. So it works. It's great. It's just they're just getting to variable technology that we're actually using here.

So geothermal, as soon as we get, I'll go from burning tons of these very green fossil fuels, natural gas. As soon as our electricity is cheaper than our gas, as soon as that happens, we'll be doing geothermal in every house, in town, out of town. And they're great. the problem is is you can't you go and take a geothermal house and you try to run them off a generator or solar no you got to power geothermal with nuclear or yeah or um hydro and you need a way bigger that it's an it's a bigger issue okay then adding electric cars hmm it's a bigger issue powering electric car is nothing compared to heating your house with geothermal nothing like it's a problem about I could get the exact kilowatts, but probably four or five times what you're going to need for

your electric car in heating your house, way more. So they even, like we saw Prince come through for all of the post offices in, I think it might have been Canada or just Saskatchewan and they're switching them all to electric boilers. They kiboshed it and put natural gas boilers in. But if they switched every post office to electric boilers alone, I bet you, like even Lloyd's grid probably couldn't handle a couple of those big buildings going full electric. Well, those little towns with just a post office and a co-op. They weren't slag for it. No, absolutely. Like straight up, I would, like I might be wrong, but the power lines are probably too small. Like we're talking changed the entire grid. But that's why they'll force that by putting a couple of electric post offices so that they

have to upgrade the power lines. So you're saying they're going to put in, you guys are speaking at like, sorry, that you, one of the things folks I did not realize at the blue color roundtable is how out of touch I'm going to be on some of these things, right? I'm trying to keep up and grasp what the heck you two are talking about back and forth here. What you're saying is they're going to force government buildings first, which is going to go all electric, but they can do all of them at once because if they did that, they would just absolutely just like destroy our grid because it wouldn't be able to handle it.

It's not sized properly. So what they're going to do to slowly or quickly push this is transition a couple of government buildings. You're mentioning post offices. And what's going to happen is they're going to have problems and say, well, we need to upsize the grid in order to the services, which will then lead to more of it being upsized across the board and more and more and more this will come. I don't know who shut it down, but I'm serious.

Like we had the blueprints. We priced doing elect. boilers in the post office in Lloyd Minster. And they were going to use, I don't know if they were going to get us to do some of the towns around here, but they did someone kiboshed it and some out of town company came and put some gas boilers in. So I don't know if it's like. So is that a good thing or a bad thing, Joe?

Gas boilers? No. No, just, no, I just, they're talking about this electric boiler thing and somebody kiboshed it. So electric boilers are never a good idea. Even if you have nuclear, they're stupid, right? then all of a sudden geothermal is beautiful, right? Because you're actually getting way more.

It's, I don't have the exact numbers. But like for, if you take an electric heater, break this down, but you, let me break it down. You're saying electric boil is never a good idea. How is that different than a natural? I don't know. Yeah, let's just take an electric heater. Everybody goes and throws an electric heater in their office to warm their feet. And whoever pays the electric bill is just losing their minds.

my poor CSR bought two electric heaters the other day. And she hasn't been there that long. And I came in, I'm like, what is happening here? And something that, like, I like burning gas. And so I made her, I bought them off her because we use them for temporary heat for customers. But all it takes is balancing your heating system in your building. Electric heat is super expensive. So if you take an electric heater, everyone knows them.

And if you switch that to air source heat pump with the temperatures, that can do it, you're using a third the electricity to get the same amount of BTUs. Okay, so heat. So BTOs is just... So everybody's sitting right now in our climate, probably there's every office person that's listening. There's one person in that office that runs the electric floor heat, okay, where they have exactly what you're talking about.

You're saying they should get rid of that and put what in place? Well, they need better systems. So we are in a place where we over-engineer our... our office buildings. We have rooftop units. We have electric, we have electric heaters to make up for what the, what the unit heater or sorry, the rooftop unit didn't do for the next room. The next person wants to be hot. Well, the person in the next room wants air conditioning. If we spend a little more upfront price on these systems and these buildings, we can have a chiller and a heating system. So one person can be heating. One person can be cooling

and they're both exchanging energy. So there's way better systems, but we have cheap systems in this, in this Canada. You go to Europe, you have legit, comfortable offices. Canada, everyone just thinks that's the way it is. So they throw an electric heater under their desk. Okay, now rewind it back. Sorry, boys. I'm taking us on.

Sorry. When you go to the post office and you talk about, so on a giant scale, they were going to use what you would, a giant floor heater. to heat the entire building. Is that what you're saying? It's just going to suck all the energy off the grid? The most inefficient way to use electricity, right? When you size, when these solar guys size solar,

you can't heat, you don't want to make your hot water with it. When it comes to heat, you don't want to use electricity, period. And if you are going to, then you get to the heat pumps, the geothermal, but then all of a sudden you tell the person sizing your batteries and inverters, oh, we're going to be using a heat pump or geothermal. Well, our inverters won't even get them to start. herning. Yeah. You just doubled your application. Oh, even, yeah, lots. Yeah. Doesn't take long. Can you explain that just a bit more? Like, what am I, like,

I'm sorry. Like, am I at this dance? I am this dance. I'm going to need to hire a quick dick, McDick to come in here and just be like, mm, mm, mm, because I'm like, okay. So I should have done some, uh, what do you call them PowerPoint presentations? Probably. I probably would have been like, mm-hmm. Okay. All right. All right. That makes sense. I'll get Blaine to bring a PowerPoint for you next time. Yeah. And he can make it. I don't want to make a power.

You neither. I am the PowerPoint. My rewind doesn't work good enough. When you say geothermal and batteries and they won't even... That's the thing. It's these people, we get a couple every month that come to us. Yeah, we're going solar and we're going to do geothermal heat. We're going off grid.

Like, you can't do it that way. You can go off grid, reliable. with wood, propane, or natural gas, natural gas, whatever. If you have it, you can be with, that grid is a little more reliable than the electric grid. And when the electricity goes out, all of a sudden, your natural gas is more available because all the people that lost power, they aren't using much of it at the moment. I was going to ask a different question. Yeah, you hear it.

How do you guys get water out here? If your power goes out, how do you get water? You melt snow. over a fire. Because in Lloydminster, it's winter 12 months a year. Yeah. No, we, we we have wells and good wells. You do? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And we've got people with, with taking ground source water and we treat it and we do reverse osmosis off of it and we give them- So it is possible to do wells out here. Oh yeah, water, so water shortage, water shortage is just as bad as the, there is no water shortage. This is going to get a lot of people mad.

We've roughly got the whole ocean and it is the biggest source of fresh water. We just got to remove a couple of things. Yeah. Right? You've got islands like Aruba. That was the most amazing thing when I went to took my wife to Aruba. That whole island is reverse osmosis. There's no fresh water on that island.

You don't need it. We don't need it. It's easy to get as much fresh waters you want from the ocean. It just takes a little bit of these guys. A bit of desalinization. What is it, Dubai? Yeah, Dubai. They have the largest desalinization plant. And there's a, there's hundreds of ways of doing it, right?

How do they do it in a nuclear submarine? Right. Right? They do it right down there. They take and they make fresh air and they make water right down in the ocean. Right? No one's talking about how we got lots of water. Does Manitoba, why do you ask that question?

Yeah. Because where we are, where we are, we're extremely, We're extremely, well, blessed and cursed. Water is super easy in southeastern Manitoba. You can dig down three feet and you can find water in some places. When we make, when we do wells there, it's like, like we can get a yell, a well, yeah, yell. There we go. A well in my backyard.

Servicing my house. 15 grand, we're done. That's it. It's not cheap, but on a grand scheme of things, like, that's nothing. And you can water 100 people with that $15,000 well. Yeah. Like my entire street would be just fine. We'd have just have to get one well put in.

But we all get in. Yeah. But yeah. So like I've just, it's a totally different part of the country here. And I've heard that like I've just heard that it's more difficult to get water here. Because obviously we live like our aquifer system that runs underneath our area is just unreal. What, Tena, are you talking a drilled well or a board well?

I assume you're talking drilled then. I would assume. Like, uh, small. That's above my big grade. Well, the thing, thing. It is small, yes. A board well is like a sister. Okay.

Right. It's like ground feeds in and then normally, you know, I don't know. That's where we need one of those McAllister guys to come and tell us all about that. Well, I mean, not that I know the ins and outs of it, but a drilled well it goes anywhere, you know, probably from 50 feet to 300 feet, right? Like how deep you go to hit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

To hit water. A bored well is anywhere between like 24 feet to probably maybe 60. Yeah. And it's a big wide hole and it just acts like a sister. So it just slowly ground water feeds in and then you pull it out. Usually you put a water softener or something on it to take out a bunch of the usually iron. That might be how our towns run. Yeah. See, that's if you if you don't have fast recovery, you look at how much you're going to need in a day and then they bore the well big enough that your capacity. Capacity. Because it's a safer place to store your water down there than it is to store it in tanks in your house. Well, you look at every Saskatchewan original farmstead and there was a cistern in that basement. I wouldn't say everyone, but a huge majority of them, right? And they collected rainwater and they pumped water in from dugouts and you name it any way that they could get their hands on water.

Like there are parts of this area, especially more to the south, that. water is an issue. Well, there is, and even in Lloyd, like you can go from one quarter to the next and they can't get water. But that's where we are, we don't move where the water is anymore. We move where we want to and we want to figure out how to get water there. That is a spoil rotten. We're all, it's awesome. And I love it. I'm, I'm going to pick a spot and I'm going to get water there. How, if it's a beautiful spot, man, I'll friggin get water there. And instead of going to the river, like if you look at every hutterite, you follow the river. You follow the river. and one hutter eight colony craps in the river here and then the next one pulls the water out.

And it's that's how all of Canada. It's beautiful actually and right. And it's crazy how the fish have to live in it before they dump their sewer into the river. And it's great. It works. It is crazy. It's something that I often think about how far removed we are from two generations ago. Where we we don't have to make those decisions anymore.

It's not even. it's not even relevant. No. Like you said, it doesn't matter if there's no power, no water, no, we just, we're saying there's no water, but it's like a mile over there's water. So how bad's our water problem? Yeah. Right?

It's, yeah. It's cool. And it's just kind of like taking the problem and not looking outside the box, but kind of like, just like, re-reframing where, where you're looking at the problem from. We have no water. Well, yeah, we do. It's sitting right there. or what have you. You know, we have a power issue, but it's like, well, why do we have said power issue?

But we don't. We really, we really don't. Yeah, even the power issue we have here is government caused. Right. And that's the same thing. You go to those countries where we're shipping stuff to, well, where they say they have water problems. It's a government issue. There's the water's available there. It's just their governments are so screwed up that they, they got poverty. And overpopulation. Like you look at California. California's having no water issue though. They did for a while. But they can solve it. Well, yeah.

They have, they. So you're, you're exactly correct in that it's a government issue. In California, that's the biggest problem is because they, the cities of California basically told the farmers that all the rivers and the water and the rivers belongs to the cities and the farmers can't use it in certain areas. And so they have a kind of an issue with some of the, some of their smaller communities and their farming be able to use the water that they need for irrigation or whatever they need it for because the cities are taking all that water from the rivers. Well, and cleaned it.

And they're farming high intensity water consuming crops like in a desert. Like that's cool. See that that's it's a miracle that they can friggin farm there. Yeah. But that that that's humanity again being spoiled and not not doing the obvious thing. going to relocate this farm to where there's a source of water rather than we're going to bring water to this farm. It's just dead. The amount of water it takes to grow one almond blows my mind. Yeah, that's a crazy stat. What is it? It's like a gallon. I think it's even more than that.

It's, it's wild. I think it's gallons of water for one almond. Yeah. It's amazing. Look at how to grow one human being. Yeah. Right? We just had another one show up and he's gonna need a lot of water. Yeah. Good luck. The water footprint of one California almond has average 12 liters or 3.2 gallons.

That's insane. Yeah. They're delicious though. Oh yeah. Take it early, but I don't care. Especially with chocolate. Yeah. Chocolate, a little chocolate around them.

That's why they know. That's why the trades. Right? They know they can con us into the chocolates. All they have to do is sit them at, set them at every wholesaler and we're eating them. Oh, that's evil. Chocolate's disgusting. Yeah. Absolutely.

Well, it's horrible for you, but no, I can't stand it. Honestly. My wife has me convinced that raw chocolate is good for you. And I don't know. She's, I've kind of dropped it. But like, I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot.

Yeah, there's a lot of people swear about it. it, right? A lot of... Just not using refined sugar and everything else. Yeah. It tastes terrible raw like that. I like that milk chocolate. Whatever Lindor does. Oh God, they put crack in it, I'm pretty sure. They have to, yeah. Maybe even math, I don't know. Do you have chocolate here? Let's get some Lindor's going on that? Bola Lindor's off the table. That's what I'm gonna have to do from now on under the hat is a Lindor.

Yeah. No, that's bribery. We should eat cake and Lindor after the podcast. By the time this releases, Tucker Carlson will have just been in Alberta. How big of a, how big of a deal do you think that is for Canada to have Tucker Carlson come to town? How close to any of you follow Tucker? Do you follow Tucker? Oh, yeah.

I don't think it's as big as a deal as we'd like it to be. I think it's great that he's coming and it'll be. I'm sure both events will be awesome and he's very knowledgeable and the back and forth between him and Conrad Black should be something to see. Absolutely. I wonder how much, oh, what's the word? We put a lot of emphasis on, you know, these guys from the States that are doing great things, the Malones, the Tucker Carlson, you know, name 100 guys. But they're not going to fix Canada. They can't. They're not here.

They don't live here. They don't have community here. They don't have a stake in it. We need people from Canada living in Canada who are for going to fix Canada. Jeez, it sounds like I've said that a couple of times. Exactly. Once or twice. Somebody's pointing at me for the, like you having having on Denny Rancourt, you know, is great.

All I'm going to say is preach, man. Preach. Yeah. I think that's 100% right. I don't know. We could, it doesn't hurt to have the speakers come up to Canada and talk. Yeah, I would love to go to it. I'm super sad that I'm not making it there this week.

It's like you had a kid or something. I know. He could have just hung out another couple of weeks. Silly humans. I know. It's dry out here. It's not, there's nothing. It's not worth coming out yet.

Why couldn't she hold it in, eh? I know. I tried. Yeah. The, the big thing about having somebody like Tucker with that much viewership and, you know, that many supporters behind him is it's it's going to expose a lot of Canada's problems to the rest of the world. Yeah. Which is pretty interesting. It is amazing when when he says something back on Fox when he was on there when he would talk about Canada, it was good for the for them to see

what was going on up here. Right. I don't know. I still think yeah, what the heck can he do for Canada, right? But is that all it is? It's it's getting out what's going on here. Well, no. writing the message. I think there'll be a lot of people attend because it's him that maybe don't quite think we have the issues that we do. Okay. You know, people that maybe don't realize that free speech is as endangered as it is. Like Conrad Black? Yeah. Conrad Black's an excellent example of that, right? Maybe people like that will have a bit of an eye opener. I don't know. It can't hurt. What did you think that, you know, talking about free speech, we just said the UFC. Sean Strickland. Sean Strickland went off on the reporters. Dana White,

after, um, you know, that was amazing. Went off on the same reporter. Well, yeah, was it the same report? Was it the same report? Talking about having a leash, you know, and, and he, he quotes, he kind of seizes on that word, a leash, you know, what are you talking about? You know, it's free speech. Yeah, that was hilarious. I loved watching that. You know, did that, does that help Canadians, like, kind of realize what's going? Because once again, that's a big name. coming to Canada. Dana White right now, you know, seeing all the things that went on with him and Gary Brecker was the guy on Rogan who helped him get healthy and he's come out like hard. Like Dana White's come out swinging the only way that UFC does it, right? In the middle of COVID,

there was only two sports, I think, that really went to war with the COVID narrative, the UFC and the NFL. And NFL played right through. They never shut down. I'm not saying they went to war on the narrative. They did it. They just found ways. They told the line, but yeah. Tolled the line, but found a way never to shut down whereas the UFC left the country went and found different ways they told the line somewhat but you know coming out of it Dana White when it comes to even Peloton right get those things out of my you know that's where it started and then now it's having them come to to Canada like what did you think all the UFC you know Sean Strickland followed by Dana White absolutely tearing apart our media are our prime minister and and on and on it went and seeing Toronto showed F Trudeau

and then, you know, Sean Strickland gets beat. And his speech, the end is, though, did he get neat? Yeah, that's a good question. Well, I mean, we can argue about that. I never watch. We can argue about that. But at the end, he said, he gives a speech, hey, I told you I was going to bleed for you. And the crowd just goes nuts.

Like, they, I'm like, that guy just found an entire country that's going to, if he would have won, he would have had a parade in Toronto for Pete's sake. You know, like. But he didn't need to. And still, I saw that last speech and that was, that was awesome. Yeah. Like, I mean, I don't know. What did you think of the UFC and Dana White, you know, tagging on to Tucker? You have Tucker following the UFC being in the week before.

The most interesting part about it that I've noticed is that it's really exposing the people that that need to be exposed. Those people that are very anti-Western culture and very anti-blue collar, they're very anti-Canadian, really, at the end of the day, they're against what kind of stands for. They're out there standing on their soapbox and their, their big concern is the vulgar language that was used. The big concern is the, uh, I guess how would you say the, the impoliteness, right? It, it's not, not that Strickland brought something to light that needs to be talked about. It's that that's a bad man because he hurt my feelings the way that

he spoke to me, right? And these, these people are so ridiculous that they don't even see what they're doing. Yeah. Well, that's why we need people even without the bad language. Like I thought he was awesome, but that's how he speaks. Yeah. Right? I think that you have some people with. Yeah.

And you have some people with some guts that, that don't need to, that, that know English, right? They can, they can have the same effect. It's just nobody's doing it. It's crazy that we need to. Well, we're in such a vacuum of that, um, that thought being said out loud. You know, I go, always go back to peer pull you up. Right? Not to pull us into politics, but like he eats an apple and everybody just lost their mind. Yeah, this is amazing. And I'm like, Freaking eating apple.

That's how big the void is of somebody on the conservative side of things, just pushing back so ever slightly. So when Sean Strickland comes and just blasts, do you want people blasting the press gallery? I don't know. Yes. Yes. I personally, somewhere in me, I'm like, probably not. But when it's gotten to the point where it has, yes, yes, I do. I want them to eat their lunch, you know, just like feed it to them.

Exactly. When you've, go ahead, go, you get. Well, when you've pushed people that far that they have to react in a manner that makes you feel uncomfortable, you should realize that you shouldn't have put those people in that position that there's a problem instead of just getting back on your high horse and trying to push those people down and saying that they're wrong and that they don't understand and they're uneducated, et cetera, et cetera. No, this person is reacting in that way because of a situation that is important that does need to be discussed at the highest level. levels. Not, you know, man with black eyes said F you on TV, he dumb. I think that's, yeah. But it's funny, they double, triple down on, on, on, on, on, on, on that thought process, right? They're probably cheering that he lost. Oh, he didn't win. Great

day for can't Canada. You didn't get the title back. Meanwhile, the world economic forum, you know, has, is, is, is going on. And like the biggest videos that, I mean, now once again, shows where my feeds at has been everybody, all, you know, all the voices there talking against the world economic form, which has been really freaking interesting that maybe there's cracks in this giant narrative that's trying to force us down this alley that nobody wants to go. They've got no fight. Like you watched him talk to that reporter.

They won't they won't answer. Like if they have a defense, they have nothing. So their core, they're cowards. Yeah, they're cowards. They, they, he's hurting their feelings. Well, like, get some balls. Like if you really think Trudeau is your man, because obviously that's was that guy's man. Right.

And and like defend them. Like why won't like all of us will say who we're going to vote for even if we're wrong in the end. Right. Like like just say it. Like these guys have no guts. They want us to not talk about it so that they can choose how the narrative is. But we just, you know, everyone just has to be loud. And we don't like that's a sad part is that yeah, this guy that, you know what, he's, he's like me.

Like, I'm not good with speaking because we didn't, we didn't spend time in college studying that way. That fighter probably didn't either. And, and you know what, that's, that's his language. That's the thing is that, you know what? I'm not saying like. It's, it's the conviction behind the language that's so like, it was yes. Yeah, but that's the thing is the guy just like, you. guys are garbage. Like it's your fault. That was so cool. Like I loved that was that was awesome.

There's been a lot of talk over the whatever over a long time with the silent majority. When you have a silent majority that's, you know, for the most part, united in the idea that this leftist stuff is crazy or or whatever, why are they still silent? Why are we still silent? Because we're trained to not hurt somebody's feelings. When we go on job sites, like we're talking blue-collar guys here. How many times we've been on job sites? And everybody there is like, yeah, all this stuff is stupid. And then three weeks later, they vote NDP.

They're those same guys. Well, if you're on a union job site, maybe. Not on my job sites. That's what I'm saying, because I work commercial for a long time and everything, there has to be union. You can't get a... Well, you have an NDP government right now. Is that what you're pointing out, or do you think that was Wob,

canoe, the right person to vote for? He was definitely not the right person to vote for, but what I'm kind of getting at is even, you know, since I started in the trades, you talk to anybody on the job site, just about anybody. Like 95% of people are of in agreement that all this leftist stuff, even the stuff that was coming out then that was a lot less crazy than it is now is not. Everybody's been talking about it for a long time, but they're not doing anything about it. They might vote. Most of them, most of the guys that I knew in Bricklanding, they didn't vote.

That's the problem right there. You just didn't show up. They're just like, yeah, we're going to complain about it. And, you know, and I did this for a long time.

I'd love to sit around a fire and talk to my buddies and just complain about all the things that are going on. Finally I got to the department, I was like, I'm done complaining. What are we going to do about it?

Well, and that's where in the workspace, right? These guys can complain all day, but they won't, they'll complain to their buddies. Instead of going, alone and talking to their bosses and telling them the situation their boss has no idea how much

whining they're doing and that's why our whole country is full of people that won't go say what needs to be said when it needs to be said they won't say it to the right people they'll go and they'll be like oh he doesn't want to hear well they won't ever talk to them like that's all these employees all these people that's why you you don't have anyone saying or fighting these people the silent majority is scared to say anything to anybody well Oh, sorry. Well, and we would get text from our union rep, the head of our union every year,

or not every year, but any time we were getting close to an election, he'd start sending out messages and messages and messages saying, hey, just remember, the NDP is the only party that supports unions, blah, blah, blah. And it's like just this constant push. It's like, well, and that's something that you would never see from the other side either, right?

And that's something that Canada's, done a poor job of is getting people involved. Conservative messaging is either non-existent or awful. Yeah. Absolutely. Whereas left-wing socialist messaging is strong. It's to the point that that's one thing you've got to hand it to them. They do an excellent job of.

And they're really good at getting to your heartstrings. Yeah. They make it sound that they're really empathetic. And we're trying to help all the people that are struggling with this and that. It's like, fair enough. But there's a lot of us who just need to stand up and do our part and not look to the government when we're having a hard time or look to whatever it is.

You mean Uncle Trudy's not coming to save me? But I think that's one thing that probably all of us really need to take a look at our lives and try and find out where we really lean on the government because probably there's some point in your life where you don't realize that you're just leaning on the government or some institution. And for some people, they lean on the government for everything, right, like for a lot. And, you know, that can almost probably be a little bit paralyzing when you think, I got to get, oh, man, how do I? And you just got to identify it. And then once you identify it, then you can start to make steps to try and remove yourself or at least distance yourself a little

bit, you know, like, I think of the health care system. And like, if you're, if you're on 12 medications right now, I, you're probably going like, how the hell do I get off all this stuff? It helps me function. Honey. Honey. Yeah. Amen. But it's funny. I was just listening to, I was listening to Trishwood. Trishwood interviewed a lady that I just had on, or about to have on, Jen Billick. And she was talking about how, you know, and Trishwood's out in Ontario, and she was talking about, you know, like how she doesn't know anybody who isn't on some sort of medification. And I was like, it's funny. I don't know of anyone that is actually on medication, right? Like I, I'm my circle. I don't

know if somebody who's taking daily medication. Yeah, but everyone you know is probably on 15 different vitamins. Fair. Right? So I think that's just as much of a problem. You're giving your money either to, I don't know, I'm, my wife and I argue about this one. She's got, you know, honestly like, yeah, but you don't think, but no, no, but you think, Joey, keep pulling it. live, yeah, living up here in the dark, that taking a form of vitamin D isn't, isn't a good thing to be on every day? No, there's a hundred other ways to get it. Maybe we stop using vegetable oils for cooking our crap and we just get some bacon fat and we

eat it, right, right full of vitamin D. Bacon fat is, so do you think that the, red meat, there was these people. Is that why my body does so good on red, like I just, like, I've been on and off. She's got to friggin' eat it, man. taken everything good in in the earth and you've compressed it into this this flat, beautiful, delicious. Yeah. The women at the world economic forum would not agree with this conversation.

See, that's the thing is we got to watch when you see someone eating lettuce, right, they're stealing from your food right now, right? You need the best way to get your green is through the pig. Right? You just, man. You know, I prefer the cow, but you do you. Oh, cow. Yeah, beautiful. A bacon. Or a deer or your, you're, you guys don't like bacon. Love it. I'm just saying so bad. You can rot pig and cow and it's beautiful. You know what I love for

bringing Joey on? He's always going to say something and even the blue color guys are like, ooh. If you're looking for nutrient density though, it's, it's better in beef than it is in pork. And I and I agree. It's just man, that price is so good on that pork tenderloin right next to that state. I do some special stuff to it. And shout out to- What you're talking about the store? What? You're talking about the store?

I don't know anybody who buys meat at the store. Oh, don't do that. I can't go back on this. Can you edit? Like when I'm at the colony and I- And Ida is showing me the freezer. And Ida. Shout out to Derek Comed-all.

Because Derek Comedal made me bacon and dropped it off. I wasn't home. Derek's deadly dude. On the step. And so I've been eating homemade bacon now for like the last three weeks. And I didn't realize how much, like I love bacon. But when you, if you buy storebought bacon, then I'm not saying I do. But if I were to like, you eat it and you're like, man, there's something missing.

Something missing, right? And then you get homemade bacon. And I'm like, oh, man, you dropped me off like a full bag full. I hate to break it to you, Derek. I'm down to like my last, my last thing of it because I've been eating it. Everybody's been eating it because it's delightful. Probably something Derek could do for. for all of us right now.

I could use a care package. It's a care package. Right, Derek. We need to know just because we're experiencing this through Sean, we want to experience this too. We need proof. Yeah. You know, it's funny.

It's Alberta bacon better than Manipo. The deer and steers is the sponsor of the show. Maybe I should be pushing on Brian to be having, you know, you want a little care package in here, a little, a little jerky or something. Or just like, just a flat plate going with bacon, can you imagine, can you imagine that sitting in the middle of us? How about you cut this right now? Yeah, and we just stop it.

It's just like, let's make this happen. This would be beautiful. I could get dad to bring it all over right now. You probably don't want it to smell like bacon in here, do you? It's smelling bacon here? Why would you not want it to smell like bacon? That's what I'm getting at, all right?

Yeah. Let's make this clear. So, but you think the pilgrims, right? Do you think they seriously figured out how to hunt each spot as they went to cross Canada? Man, like it would be cool to know what they were eating. And I, honestly, probably probably, they probably ran out of vitamin D pills or drops, right? Like probably in Ontario, they didn't make it to Manitoba and they were out.

Oh yeah, they didn't have it back then. Right. Well, right. So who's freaking making all the money either big pharma or sorry to all. Yeah, I, I'm making the payments also to all the vitamins, but it's not going in my body. because I think that you know what, I think our bodies are made pretty cool. And everyone says each diet works.

It's like, well, then why are you taking all these freaking pills? Like even if there are supplements, like do you really need them? Well, you got to remember what what the average age was like the age of mortality was back then too, right? When? In the pilgrim days. What was it? Well, I don't know. It was probably 12.

Realistically. But it's, it sounds like it. Well, then. When did it? Yeah, let's, good, good. That's what I'm wondering. When you consider infant mortality and war and everything else, it was probably. Well, I think that's actually what brings down the, so Sean's going to look it up, but I think it's somewhere around like 44, depending on how far back we go. But that's, that's a big part of what actually brings that number down is the infant mortality.

It's not the, like the old people are still. Yeah, the lifespan per se. Like they were still living, you know, maybe not till 80. Some places. Yeah. Absolutely. If you made it past your infant stage, then generally you had a decent life. Late 60s.

Do you, wait, wait, wait. Are we doing, are we doing the world or are we just doing North America? Oh, I think we're just talking pilgrims. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, so. We're only the pilgrims here. Oh.

So many questions. So many questions. Yeah, which pilgrims? We're talking about the Viking pilgrims or the native pilgrims? Like I feel like every time I go somewhere. Which time of Canada discovery are we speaking about now? Yeah, yeah. How far back we go?

Like two says, how far back we're going on land of knowledge? Like the first, first nations. Okay. I can pull up, I can pull up the United States, okay? I realize that this is a Canadian show. Yeah, what the heck are you doing, man? Well, there's a nice, uh, it's like having an American flag. There's a nice, there's a nice graph here.

So if you go back to 18, uh, 1860, it was 39.41 was the average age. Okay. And all the way to 2020, 78.81. I'm going to assume death certificates. Where are they? Probably stored. Like, is this, like, are these stats?

Well, 1860, they would have had a, like, they already had a pretty robust government system by then. Log states. Oh, yeah, the state. It's almost doubled over the course of, you know, what is that? A little less than 200 years. But now we're at that tipping point

and it's going to start going down. So would we all be? gone already? Is it going to? Nope. What was that age? 34? I got time, baby. 39.41. I got a year left. I got a year left. I got a year left. I got a year and a half. No kid. A year and a half left. I got so much time. I was like this, was that this morning? Yeah, this morning you, you, you thought I said I was 30 and you're like, oh, like, like there's

something wrong with you. The world does not treat to do well. That was awesome. But I guess it, you know, to kind of wrap that up a bit, I mean, whether it's just a personal experience or whatever, but I know for my family and people that I know, adding vitamin D in a supplement isn't a bad thing. Yeah. And we've seen a lot less colds and the illness in the last five, six years that we've been known. And that's the only one Melissa gets in me. I'm going to be 100% honest here. I'm sitting on the couch with the new baby yesterday and she reaches over and it tastes so good. Right.

I don't know what kind of vitamin D drops this is, but you know what? I'm not going to argue if it tastes good. That's why you're still eating chocolate. Here's here's Canada. Okay. In 1920 to 1922, the average life expectancy was 58. So just under 60 years old to 2009 to 2009 to 2000. It was a 79.3.

And so there you go. That's men. That's men. So is that, would that be North America kind of? And then what was it like? That's Canada. That's specific Canada data. So was it were, were they living longer in Europe?

Like was Canada beaten people up? Now you're just at, you want me to keep digging on this? I think you should compare it. I think that'd be neat. Well, at that time, if you're talking the start of the 20th century, you're looking at two major world wars too. Yeah. to 22 in the middle of... Oh, so is that why they all died that age?

Oh, that's the end of World War I. I'm gonna say it probably didn't help. Yeah, when you go off. Turns on millions of 18 year olds. Getting shot to death was the leading cause of death. Yeah, it brings that average down. Maybe they're dying at 160. Life expectancy in Europe is, um, has had a high of 79.1 years in 2019.

In 1950, 51, it was 62.8. And we just said Canada was just under 60 and 1920. So in 1920, our life expectancy was roughly the same as Europe in the mid 50s. I go back to the vitamin D when every doctor under the sun through COVID who had the Cajunas to say some things said take vitamin D. C and zinc and you're guilty for it. Honestly, Joey, they said if you could only get one supplement in your body, it was vitamin D. really. So I haven't taken it a ton, but the only thing I'm taking right now is D,

and we'll see, we'll see how long I make it. If I can pull off that 58, the thing is, is, the thing is, you're maybe not wrong in one sense, but our diets.

So you go, I think the whole vitamin thing is a bit of a, I don't know, a fad or an industry or whatever. No, I just, I look at back,

I go back, you know, me and Dean Amandrew, shout out to Dean. When I used to work in the chemical industry, right and I go to the plants and I'd be sitting there and mean him he always cooked me up random things and one of the things we always wanted to try was beaver tail and I remember thinking I remember listening to what was it Dean Dean text me because was the meat eater I want to say it was the meat eater broadcast he talked about eating beaver tail and back in the fur trade they couldn't get all these fancy vitamins or what have you so what they'd eat is beaver tail because it was full of all these nutrients because the beaver stored it up so it's just fat yeah yeah and so you go like well how do the people up north and none of it in different places survive.

Well, did they take all these different items or do they find a way to get it in their body? Well, obviously, obviously, they find ways. Does that mean that, you know, in today's diet and everything else that you shouldn't know? I mean, probably what works for you. You don't think they were eating a lot less things? Like, you think they were just consistent? Do you think they went down to the local McDonald's, jammed a quarter pounder in them, some fries, and a big Coke? And then went, where's my vitamin D in that?

It's like, well, we got a whole, like this morning, I ran to the store, ran to Walmart. And I know folks, we all hate Walmart, but I ran a Walmart. Is that where you buy your meat? It was, no, it was the only thing open at, uh, what, what time would have been? 630. It was the only thing I could find open. I need to buy a couple things for the studio in particular.

Anyways, get in there. And I'm walking through like the alley way to get to the self-checkout because everything's self-checkout. now and I'm just like I looked on both sides and I'm like this is both sides is absolute crap both sides none of this is good for you there isn't one thing in there you should buy now in saying that the taste of everything on that aisle or out of this world so when you look at our diet these days I was when I played hockey in Finland the further you got north in Finland away from Helsinki the

less fast food you saw the town I lived in had zero fast food I may have had a McDonald's I don't think it had a McDonald's actually I know it didn't have McDonald's. All the fast food was was handmade. So and now maybe this has changed because it's been quite a time since I was there. But I remember thinking, wow, that's amazing. Like that's honestly amazing. The town, you know, as much as we're against, like nobody in this place will bike around and, and you know, all these bike passing. Around that town, you could get around it faster with bike lanes and everything else. Now, in saying that, Finland, although northern, north of us, still had rain and sunshine in November. So I'm like, it's a little different than here.

But they built things. They'd done things in their food industry. They're just different than here. Whereas here, you know, like we have a fast food joint in every single corner. We have a liquor store on every single corner. We have a weed shop now on every single corner. That makes up pretty much a good chunk of the North American diet now. Yeah, three.

And how do you... And you wonder why the health foods and Big Farmer have such a hold on us. Well, just look at what you're putting in your body and you can get to the root of the problem probably really fast. And all those things were allowed to stay open during COVID. Yes. Fast food, alcohol. Didn't the liquor stores get shut down for a little bit at the end? No.

No. They never did. They had a fax pass. Yeah. We just weren't allowed to go in and that's all. Our, uh, our, so in Manitoba, our liquor is still, um, government controlled completely. So it's all under MLCC. Well, the liquor martes went on strike right before the election.

Shocker. Just like MPI did our public insurance and all these other things, right at time of the election. Total coincidence. Even in that, so all the liquor mart employees are on strike, they had to keep too open in Winnipeg, rotating throughout the city and each day or whatever kind of thing because it's the thing that you can't quit cold turkey if you're an alcoholic. Why can't you quit alcohol cold turkey? Because it's what's one of the few drugs that'll actually kill you if you're, if you're

an alcoholic. It'll kill you if you stop right now. Yeah, and hurt feelings. No, no, like literally. Your body will go into shock and die. Yeah. I don't know all the exact details, but I do know that that's true. Yes, it is.

That must just be a Manitoba thing. If you're an alcoholic, Yeah, alcoholics in Manitow might be different. I doubt it. I'm pretty sure alcoholics are the same everywhere. Yeah. Is this new? New to you guys?

Yeah. I've done this for a long time. I guess out here we don't quit. I don't know. Nobody quits cold turkey anyway. You just slowly wean off of it as you grow up. Girl. I know that for a lot of people it's the hardest thing to quit, but I didn't realize that it was, uh,

Yeah, and I don't know where that threshold is of how much you'd be drinking every day, you know, for... Yeah, if you're brown bagging it under the bridge every day, you're probably got a pretty good chance of kick in the bucket if you quit. But, yeah, but... I know, we'll see what Google says on this. I don't know. There's got to be some vitamin D and beer. I think there's two things as far as drugs go that will kill you if you go cold turkey overnight. And it's alcohol and benzodiazepines.

A person can die of severe... alcohol withdrawal. Well, shant. See, I think that's more emotional thing. How much do you gotta be drinking to get into that realm? That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that. You're looking like you tried it.

And how do we find that? Is that wild? Is that like a Mr. Leahy thing? You gotta have your breath lice or out? Just on the edge bubbles are just about there. Huh? No. I don't know.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, you know, one thing before, uh, you know, I let you boys out of here. I wanted to ask, you know, um, you guys all work with your hands. What's one thing that you've been staring at over the course it could be,

the last five years, it could be like brand new that you're like, this is really cool, but nobody knows about. Is there anything that pops to mind when you, when you get into that realm, you know, like I,

once again, it was during the military round table. It was Jamie Sinclair that brought up Edison Motors. And I was like, who? And as soon as I started talking about Edison Mortars, tons of people who Chase Barber was. And then to have them on and have him talk about, you know,

the first electric logging truck in North America. And what they're doing is like, wow, that is pretty cool. You know, when all we get is just bash or, you know, we just bash electric, electric, electric. But then there's an idea that actually makes sense. You're like, oh, that actually kind of does make a little bit of sense. Is there something out in your guys' world that you're staring at that you don't think most people know about?

On the oil and gas side, I guess, something a lot of people don't know about is the strictness of the current venting and emissions laws that have come in and the cleanliness of that energy source compared to the rest of the world and to really just about all other energy sources at this point. It's something that doesn't get talked about. I don't know. Well, and same as how Edison Motors, how he's doing that. Every oil site should be a hybrid system, right?

They're wasting a lot of, a lot of like I think I'm okay with the emissions. I'm just not okay with an engine, the maintenance hours sitting there running all the time when they need it for peak loads when we can hybrid just about everything. And and when you hybrid stuff and you have. small micro grids, right? You can you can share that load and then when we add things like electric vehicles, we can actually average it out. But yeah, I don't know. Well, and use everything from that system. Like like you said, utilize that heat as well. Yeah. And that's something that I don't really talk about, but we've done some of that

with agriculture applications where you're running that generator to run your fans on your dryer system for your, you know, your massive grain drying system, green handling system, use that heat as your heat source instead of burning more. And that's our grain dryers. Yeah. So we've probably built the same damn thing. Yeah. So our, yeah.

So we got our guardian grain dryers and. Oh, really? And that's what we do. Yeah. We do a hybrid power station within your grain dryer. So then you can dry grain. in the fall, but then when it comes to running power for your yard and heat for your yard, you can switch that all over. So we got grain dryers that run all year long instead of

every six years, for six years. You've taken another step further than I did even. Yeah. Yeah. So it's awesome. Yeah. So we do a we do a cogeneration. We do a one if it's just going to be used for grain drying, then we just use a normal generator and we recover all the heat above all. operating temperature and we put it into the drying process. Exactly. And then if it's something the customer wants to run their farm with all year because they are scared that they're going to shut the power off on them or they don't want to be affected when the power goes out, we do it in it with a different type of cogeneration system. And yeah, but that's exactly right. That stuff that people don't realize is available. And we do it like how Edison Motors is doing. The cool thing for the

car industry is they're using diesel and they're using gasoline hybrids. Well, we get to work with natural gas. So you're, you're way more efficient. When we're doing natural gas and propane, it's way cleaner. It's, it's a fuel that we have way too much of. And we can use that here and we can sell our diesel and propane, sorry, our diesel and gasoline to other countries, make money off of that and run, like I was saying, most people in Canada want to get farther with their vehicle and not lose horsepower or range, right? I have no problem with the design, even the new RAM truck that's coming out. It's fully electric, but it's just like how Edison motors.

It has a full generator under the hood and you get the range, but you get peak. When you need power, it's all there, which is killer. E torque or whatever they call it. So do you think then when, When you look at what Canada is aiming for, it must zero emission vehicles must make up at least 20% of all cars sold by 2026, 60% by 2030. And industry officials say electric vehicles represented 12.1 of new vehicle sales in the third quarter of 2023. So it's got to go up to 20% in two years. And then by 2030, it's got to be 60%.

Do you think that's feasible? Well, we're, no, go ahead. Oh, I'm just going to say there's no such thing as a zero emission vehicle, but. Oh, should we get into the house? Yeah. So, well, the thing is. The carbon footprint of electric vehicles? But if, if, if that, but an electric vehicle, once again, if we make that instead of wasting

all that heat made at the power plants, if we do that at home and put it into electric, then we've taken, we haven't up the carbon footprint by adding an electric vehicle to your house. And we're still powering it, which they, They should all say on the back powered by Alberta natural gas. Right? That's... And built by children in the Congo. There.

That's more what I was referring to as the carbon footprint of the manufacturing process. You're just relocated. Not the power of production. You're just moving that to somewhere that really probably shouldn't have that burden put upon them, but we don't seem to care that a child being a congo. Out of sight, out of mind. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And not to mention the mining processes. And these massive machines that use thousands of gallons of really the worst diesel fuel on the planet to break this ore out of the ground. And then to move it to refining stations. What's the worst diesel fuel on the planet? What do you mean? Well, it's just like, like heating oil essentially, like just unrefying oil essentially. like just unrefined high emission diesel like what they would burn in well to anchor ships is probably the best example

what do they call that stuff it's not even diesel bunker fuel is that what they call it well that's what they used to sell to uh even lloyd has its history uh in selling bunker fuel for um uh the war effort way back when that's that's a cheap cheap fuel yeah it's like half the price of normal diesel on it just burns black. So is that what does that actually do to the environment that block besides it knowing to drive behind? Well, I don't know what it's doing because they're crossing the ocean and that black's going right in the water. That I don't know. Heavy fuel oil is a category of fuel oils of tar like consistency, also known as bunker fuel or residual fuel. HFO is a result or remnant from the distillation and

cracking process of petroleum. So bunker, bunker fuel would be the slang term for it, I guess. right? But I mean if we if we're going to talk about carbon footprints, which I mean, to me, putting more carbon in the atmosphere is a bad thing or not? Well, I guess we'll find out in the years to come. I don't think getting worried about it today is the right answer, but it's just the hypocrisy of it is what is just so astounding. You know, we're going to burn an exponential amount more of this fossil fuel to do something that we're going to call. green, but then we're going to bring it here. It's never going to be able to produce as not as much energy as what it needed to build it, but we're going to bring it here just so we can feel good

about ourselves so that we can tell the rest of the world that we're doing our part. Meanwhile, you're just effing over all of Asia because in Africa. Yeah. Well, I really don't know how to make fuel. I want to study it a little more. I didn't even know that fuel existed. That's pretty cool. Well, there's the history of the guy who brought Nelson. Nielsen. Nielsen? Nielsen? Oh, man.

It's still oil base. My Lloydminster history. This is where I need to go back through the archives. And is it Ray Nelson? Ray Nelson. Ray Nelson. Like Nelson Lumber? No, no, no.

No, no. No, no. Who brought the, um. See, I'm just. There's something named after this guy you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He brought the original. upgrade plant. Yep, not the upgradeer, the fuel. Like, refinery. Thank you. Refinery, Sean.

We didn't help at all here. It came on from the stage. Watch you suffer. Came up from the states. And if you read his, if you read his background, he was selling bunker fuel in the war effort. And when that dried up, then I believe he came to Lloyd with the refinery. Yeah. So that's why I know what bunker fuel is. So are we like when it comes to these electric vehicles, are we? Are we? paying full price for them right now? Are they so government subsidized? Are they, like if you take an electric one next to a gas one, are they four times the price? Like if we actually paid full price for them, the actual manufacturing cost or is it?

Because that's the other thing is if it's a hidden cost and all of a sudden that disappears and now we've got $400,000. Yeah, I believe there are hidden costs within the manufacturing process. There's a lot of subsidies there. As far as the sticker price of the car, it's a good question. I know there used to be massive. And that's where I'm, I'm sold on electric cars. I just know that it can't replace.

Oh nice. I just know. This is going to annoying me and for the audience member, I just pulled out bordering on greatness. The history of Lloydminster's first century. Carry on boys while I look. So I think that the whole electric electrifying vehicles, they just, you know what? Stop trying to sell it. us, make the vehicle super cool, make them with range, and people that want them are going to

buy them. And if they make them better, we're going to maybe we'll put stereos in and make it sound like a raunchy V8. Um, but Ford lightnings. Yeah. Let the free market take care of it. Exactly. And that's, that's the problem is that their marketing of it has turned people off of it that probably would fall for it.

Oh, absolutely. Like, I would have one electric and one diesel truck. because you can, you don't have to stop at a gas station and you can be, because you're powering it with Canadian natural gas through electricity, I like it. Right. That's the thing is all of our electric vehicles are ran on natural gas, which is pretty cool. Yeah. When you, when you look at the whole picture, it is.

Yeah. But what the, you know, what the rest of the country is. doing, I guess they're running it on hydro and. Yeah, I don't know. And coal. Cool. See, that's sweet. Love that stuff.

Yeah. So coal burning in Ontario and Quebec. That's cool. Yeah. Also with the electric vehicles, the three largest deposits of lithium in the world. And I could be wrong on this. Somebody will tell Sean. It's his problem.

Our Afghanistan, Venezuela, and Canada. Quebec to be more specific. Northern Quebec. Which is really interesting. Yeah. And where have we seen, you know, a lot of stuff happened? Afghanistan, they've been fighting over that place since getting of time. So whatever.

Chinese just moved in there with the Taliban. But Afghanistan has another mineral that's even more rare than lithium. Yeah, somebody's talking with that. It almost sounds like lithium, but it's another component to lithium batteries. Oh, I wish I was smarter. The rare earth minerals in Afghanistan, it's wild. There's a, the store of value in their ground is wild. Lantium, I think.

Yeah. That's what it's called. And it's like just naturally occurring there. Allegedly. I've never been. Well, and then, you know, you look at Venezuela that was, you know, in the early 90s, a thriving country. No. I look you're struggling.

Looks like you need a bathroom break. Or a Jamie. Because I do. This is going to drive me absolutely insane because I can't. And somebody's listening to this driving along going, Sean, it's this guy. Sean, it's this guy. Well, you're still stuck on the bunker fuel. Yeah, yeah.

I feel like something Nielsen. I don't know, something there. Well, Ray Nelson was Nelson Lomber. Yeah, but Neil's, I thought it was. Hmm. bordering on. I never even knew that book existed. That's cool.

Where do you find that book? Now he's got everybody distracted. No. I have no idea what you guys were talking about. What are you guys are talking about? I'm going to find it and then I'm going to talk about it in the opening because I can't find it right now. And I'm derailing. I'm derailing the entire thing on this.

It's just, it's going to irritate me. What are you going to do? Any final thoughts? What are you guys talking about? Oh, I think we're just kind of discussing the validity of their renewables, I guess. I don't know. And where the rare earth minerals come from. and we don't

really know. But there's a bunch from Canada, which is pretty cool. Well, the thing is we're not really exploiting ours. Just wait till we get some child labor, though. Like, we break down these labor laws. Soon as we get to,

soon as we get to the communist utopia, the lithium will start flowing out of Canada like crazy. Sweet. Pretty excited. It's going to be so good. Any final thoughts before I let you get out of here. Thanks for coming and doing this.

My final thought, well, no, the final thoughts on, And if it goes on for another hour, I'm totally fine. But is there any final thoughts you have that we haven't got to? I do have a bit of one. Where are you guys at with solar? Solar, you know what? I do like solar.

The problem is that they're sizing it for winter days. We need to use solar on summer days, in Canada at least. You know what? To have a little bit of solar, we like to mix it in with our co-gen systems, because when we don't need heat is right when solar is good. So a small amount of solar to use it, it's great. But wintertime, there's better solutions for your power and we should be running on them. And then utilizing the solar to get longer life out of our power systems.

So and then because it also, if you size systems on solar, even in the summertime, you've got to get through all. of night on batteries. So your battery packs are just too big. And if you size a battery inverter system on a winter day, it's like two hours of some of winter that you get power. So that's why we, we, I like solar, but it has its place. It's small, way smaller than what they're sizing for all these farmers. We have way too much power. The farmers build these beautiful solar farms and they can't use them to go off grid. because they they don't have enough sun in the winter time. They end up running propane generators.

There's better answers, right? If we put a combined heat power unit, you need the heat. So we might as well be making electricity all night long instead of the two hours of sunlight. It's just there's there's not enough space for the amount of batteries you need to run comfortably. So yeah, so solar has its place. It's small. I've got a toy hauler with 5,500 watts of solar on it. It makes, I can look at it right now and tell you exactly what it makes on a day like today.

We are making 84 watts. It's just putting out, yeah. It's also covered in snow, which I got to take a, but it can make, it can make about 1,000 watts off 5,500 watt solar array, but I don't use any electricity for heating. So it's pretty good. But then my co-gen system, I need heat right now. it'll be running and heating my toy hauler. It's pretty killer.

So you've outlined a lot of the issues with solar, especially with your, your applications and the single, you know, the single service applications. I'm also curious, kind of what you guys think about solar as a large producer back into the grid and that, you know, that we're wasting a lot of, a lot of resources and a lot of land. to produce a fairly insignificant amount of power using a product that can never produce as much power as what it took to create it. Yeah, it's garbage. And just the whole idea that we're, you know, we're going to take thousands of acres. We already have taken thousands of acres.

And luckily, we've gone to a point now where Danielle has said, no, we're going to put a hold on these bigger projects. But what people don't realize is anything under a megawatt or, yeah, it was a megawatt. is still approved. These projects are still being built. There's still quarters and quarters and quarters of land across the province being covered in solar panels. And cleaning them alone is a huge job. Like mine are flat.

So at least I can put a roomba on them. Right? I've got my room bar running around on my solar panels. Okay, but the mopping one thinks it's falling off the edge the whole time. So I got to solve that still. Just let it go. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is is all this stuff's cool, but.

Solar panels are, they are, I don't think they're beautiful fields either full of panels. No, if you want something blue, flax is a nice color. Exactly. No, I think that there's better ways to do our power systems. I think nuclear's the best. It screws the whole burning natural gas here. But you know what? We can sell our natural gas and we should be seriously getting some nuclear fast.

I think it's approved in Saskatchewan. It's just not here yet. Yeah. But even with SMRs, we're still going to need some sort of fossil fuel backup. We're still going to need some sort of natural gas backup just in case, right? I think homes, I think having natural gas with a really good power source is sweet. I think having fireplaces that don't need, need electricity, like those things are really nice. the wood stows now you're running like 90% efficiency if you get like a you can you get wood stows with a

they've got a combustor in them so you're essentially running a catalytic converter in your stove and you're reburning all the smoke comes out basically water vapor yeah and you're running 90% efficiency if you can stack everything just right in there and get it right full you might get a little over half of what they say you can get for burn time yeah well no i've gotten 20 24 to 26 hours Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I can't, I can barely get 12 out of mine and it says it's supposed to do 30. Yeah.

Yeah. They say 30. I've gotten up to about, I've gotten a full day out of it. My Alberta woods too dry, I guess. Yeah. They're amazing. So, like you said, it's, there's lots of things that work to you. Like, I think solar has its place for, you know, if you're, if you're prepping and you're thinking of different ways to have soul, have power.

And, you know, that's one of your, your diversification. techniques, you know, or it's a supplement to what you're doing, but it can't be your main. I don't think it's. And generators can't either. Like we sell hundreds of 20 kilowatt generators and they're standby. That means a lot of these people, sadly, think that when the power goes out, if you go, you got three months and that's if you can find enough fuel because you're wasting all that heat. You're running a 20 kilowatt generator.

That's why if you at least have a small battery, bank, like one of our power walls with with a hybrid inverter, at least your generator can come on for an hour a day and charge it. That's that's 23 hours that you aren't burning fuel where your generator, we can get the most out of it like the Edison motors, generators on their trucks. They're taking when it's running, they're using the full potential that generator instead of it sitting there idling to do it. But with a generator, like, isn't that the standby electricity of just like being able to flick it on and run it? Like, For most people, isn't that if we get into, you know, I go back to Jamie and truck being on them being deployed to go back for the ice storm.

That's a week, you know, maybe that's even less than a week. Everyone's already out of fuel. Yep. You can't, like the amount of fuel you burn in a week on a standby generator. How much? All of it. No, I'm not joking. It depends on the size of the generator.

Yeah, you can't like, you take, it's way more than you're using to heat your home burning in a big generator. So these people that have stored propane tanks, if you're using standby generators and you're wasting the heat and you don't have a place to use all the power from that generator when it's running, you're running idle time to charge your phones. So you're going to go through if you have 4,000 gallon tanks of propane sitting on your farm, like I would have to do the math and I could very easily for you guys. But you're probably with four,

like you're all out of fuel in a few weeks where I can take. take four 1,000 gallon tanks with a little bit of solar, a little bit of co-gen, a little bit of battery, and you're going four years. You're going to have to burn a little bit of wood for your heat because we won't, if you want to, then your craps hit the fan, right? You want to stretch your fuel as long as you can. So you use it for your power and you use all that waste heat. But like you can't do that with standby generators. You get a whole bunch of disappointment as soon as the power goes out. Like people really are trying to think they're comfortable with a standby genera. They're great for power outages, four hours, eight hours, two days.

That's it. But isn't that what we're talking about? Yeah, maybe. I think that's what a lot of people are looking at. Yeah, I get a smile. I mean, true looking at it. Because it's step one, sure. Yeah.

Yeah. I think so. But a lot of people think that they're good. Yeah. If things go bad. I think we got a pretty. As much as I like selling systems, I think we got a pretty good, like I haven't went a day without power in Canada yet. Maybe we never will.

But I've got friends and family and people that want to make sure if it's a month, if it's two months, they want to know that their family's going to be warm. Yep. And it's more and more important as we move forward further into this, this new green agenda that, people have options. People have ways to keep themselves from freezing to death because we're just making power generation more unreliable because we don't, we don't yet have the technology to do the things that they want to do, but by this date, we need to be there. Well, we can't do that yet because it doesn't exist, right? I can't build this table if epoxy doesn't exist yet, right? It's a great idea, but until that thing

arrives, why keep pushing the cart before the horse? Yeah, the logical fallacies that exist and the plans they're trying to push make no sense, but their feelings don't care about your facts, so. Correct. Facts don't matter.

It's not my truth. I appreciate you guys coming and doing this. Sean, thanks. Thanks for the gifts. Thanks for the time. and thanks for us. Thanks for letting Guardian sponsor this show. We'll see,

we'll see what the fine folks of the podcast say about it, you know, because we plan on doing nine to 12 of these this year. That's the goal. Hopefully one a month, but, you know, I already know July, and I'll be prepping the audience, right? It's going to slow down just a smidge. So, you know, regardless, I can get into that closer when we get there.

But we're hoping to do one of these every month here in, in 2024. for and have some different voices come in, some different blue-collar people and see what they think. You know, for Peter driving the left and hours one way, to come beyond the first one, that's setting the bar kind of high, isn't it? That's dedication right there. That's pretty sweet. I'm very thankful for you to do this, Peter. And Drew, you know, you making the trip as well. And then, of course, Joey, thanks for being a part of the first one. And I guess we'll wait and see what people have to say about it. But anytime I get a group of guys sitting in studio to sit around and talk about some things going on in

today's world, specifically Canada. That's a good day in my books. Thanks for everything you do, Sean.