Shaun Newman Podcast - #578 - Ken McCarthy

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

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He's a pioneer of both the commercial internet and citizen journalism. Time magazine credits him with being the first person to recognize and articulate the importance of the click-through rate as a key metric for making the internet commercially viable. In 1997, he launched the first news blog ever. Now, he's written a couple of books. In 2020, Fauci's first fraud and now what the nurses saw. I'm talking about Ken McCarthy. So buckle up.

Here we go. Welcome to the Shodduma podcast today. by Ken McCarthy. So thank you, sir, for hopping on. Thanks for having me. I should have taken a drink of coffee, folks, before I did that. I was thinking about it, had it in the hand, you know. How is, Ken, where are you coming from? I was trying to dig into this. Like, where, or do you not let that out? Are you want to, you know, it's interesting that you, you mentioned that I never thought about not letting it out, but lately I'm starting to think about not letting it out. But I will say this, I'm, I'm due north of New York City.

I just feel like at this point, if they come for me, they're, they're, you know, they got to drive through the Canadian tundra. They got to, they got to deal with minus 40 weather. They got to deal with possible brownouts, you know, we just had the electrical grade about a week ago be like, you know, we don't know if we can handle the power needed right now. So I'm like, you know, if they're coming here, they're probably just praying the Canadian government along with Canadian climate just kills me. and then they can be done with this show. So I guess I'm less, I'm less worried. But you living in New York, yeah, that's probably a fair state. Yeah, and I live in a police state.

We have the state troopers, the county sheriff and the local town police. And I literally see more police in a given day than I would see in a week in New York City. So there's a lot of guys here that don't have enough to do. So I don't want to give them things to do. Curious, do you like that? Or would you wish there was less police? Here, believe me, we don't need as many police as we have. I'm all for, you know, I'm all for a sane number of police,

but we really don't need three different police forces driving around looking to give people tickets for going one second over the speed limit. And that's what's going on here. It's speed trap city all day, every day. And we don't have crime because we're, you know, we just don't have criminal, you know, we just don't have a lot of crime up here. There's not much for these guys to do. And they make up for it by hassling people.

Sorry to say that. It's interesting because on this end, we're not, now we're pretty much the opposite. I think I can say that safely. Can I, Alberta? I don't know. I don't feel like I see a ton of cops. And you hear some of the stories in regards to gangs and drugs and on and on and you go, well, we could probably use a few more.

cops. But then, you know, you've got the alternative. So that's, you know. Yeah. So it's, you know, it's never a perfect scenario. But we have a lot of guys that own guns and they all can shoot very well. And it's very obvious when someone who doesn't belong in this village is here. Like, you can't just wander in here without people knowing that you're not from here. So that's a, we take care of ourselves too, which is helpful. Well, I think that's, that's an important thing, right? Like, you got to look after your community. I think, I think, I think, I think, a lot of communities have lost that. Now, I'm getting off into the weeds. Ken, you got to, you got to, you know, you come, people have been shouting at me since you went on shout out,

uh, shadow, shadow, shadow, uh, shadow, shadow, I was like, oh yeah, sure. So let's, let's, let's do it. And then, you know, as things went on and here you said, but if they haven't tuned in the shadow, um, you got to tell us, like, give us a little bit of who can is. Because, uh, you know, I, I certainly know you've written a ton of books now. Um, other than that, I, I, I don't know a whole boat a whole lot about you okay um born in a log cabin um that's an american that's a u.s joke uh we all say we're born it you know because Abraham Lincoln was born in a log cabin um well since we have time since we have since we have like some breathing room I'm going to tell the whole story is that okay that is exactly okay this is long form man let's do people some you know Ken I just had on

at Dene Rancourt, the Canadian scientist, physics, PhD in physics, used to teach it Ottawa. Anyways, I got him to tell his entire story because I'm like, I just don't know you. And I would like to get to know you. And I had people, I had two sets of comments come. One is, I don't have time to listen to a guy's full story.

And the other one was like, this was amazing. Thank you for giving the story. I never knew his entire. So yes, fire away. We got plenty of time. Okay, great. So the most relevant thing is that I, was one of literally a handful of people that was involved in the practical side of commercializing

the internet. And I lived in San Francisco at the time. And the internet was originally a non-commercial space by law. You couldn't do, you literally were forbidden from transacting business on it, right? Because it was a government utility. And then in 1989, they said, okay, now you can do business and it was crickets right 1990 passed it was crickets 1991 passed it was crickets because 92 93 before we get in before we get into all that sorry i i hate to jump in i love it no i'm i can handle it i was born in 86 okay so you're talking you know like i remember the early days of the internet but i don't remember what you're talking about you're talking about like when when it was a utility. When did the internet get unveiled? And what did that look like, Ken? Let's talk about this

because it explains the whole story. All right. So the internet, I mean, I first saw the internet, believe it or not, in the late 1970s. But to us, we didn't call it the internet. It was just a pipe that allowed you to send programs from one campus to another, from one university to another. because in those days, software was so expensive and rare that sometimes only one university would have a body of software. So I had a roommate. It's kind of interesting, trivia, but interesting. My roommate at school was Stanley Jordan, who's a pretty well-known jazz guitar player. So if you know the jazz world, you know his name. But he was really into computer music.

So he would have to do his typing, send all his programming to a computer 200 miles away. it would process it and send them back the files that's what life was like we didn't have laptops we didn't have any we didn't have we didn't have PCs right so that's that's what it was like in the 70s so when the internet was designed it was mainly a way for academic institutions and the military which supports them to communicate about the various projects they were working on so it was literally for botan to do any transaction commercial transaction on the internet like you couldn't even say hey i've got a room for rent in my house you just couldn't say anything like that. So in 89, the law was changed. And they said, okay, now you can do business.

Well, the whole culture of the internet up to that point was people. Yeah. And they were, they were software guys. They were computer guys. They were computer networking guys. They're not really an entrepreneurial bunch in general. So nothing. I feel like I've read in a book. And I'm forgetting the author right now. I want to say it was outliers. And I can see him. And I know people are going to be yelling at the radio. Malcolm Gladwell, Malcolm Gladwell. Wasn't Bill Gates at one of those places that you mentioned the pipe and certain campuses had that and they all couldn't afford the networks? Yeah, that's called time sharing. So the old model, just for, this is kind of interesting, even though I think it's good for people to know how where we were and how we got here.

The old model for computing was these huge hunk and mainframes that would literally, you know, you'd fill a room. And then you would connect to the mainframe via a terminal. It wasn't a PC. It was something that allows you to log on to this big mainframe. So Bill Gates, way back when he was a kid in school, that's how he accessed the computer. It was called computer time sharing. And then, and then in the course, in the late 70s, early 80s, we had the, hey, now you can have a computer on your desk, which was a huge deal, right?

Wow. I don't need to, I don't need to, I don't need to, book time on the mainframe. Can you imagine that? Imagine if you had to write a book or something or a letter and you had to like book time. I can be on from eight o'clock and a clock. You'd probably use a typewriter or something then, right? Because you find a way.

I find it fascinating in the sense that we're here, you know, we have a government that's trying to slowly, you know, tighten the noose on the internet. What can be seen there? What can be shared there? What news can be found? What, you know, if I do a podcast with Ken and we bring up vaccines, which is possible, then I get a little label saying, hey, this might be disinformation and on and on it goes. And this is just, so you telling the start of where it came from is fascinating in the sense that one point in time, the internet was a pipe.

And the pipe was you can't do anything but these certain things. Yeah, just from a technical point of view. So the way people self-published pre-internet was. a typewriter because there were no word processors, right? Even even a pre late 1970s. And you would type it out and you'd white out. I don't know if people even know what white out is this little. I'm probably the last generations that remembers that. I remember that. We had to take typewriter course like a class. So I mean, now I come from very tiny tiny on the map, a little tiny speck of a hamlet of a town that has school and a rink. And so you can imagine,

I was probably, they had phased it probably out of so many different places, but it was still a thing when I was a kid. Gotcha. Gotcha. So that's what it was, that's how you did it. You typed it, you, you know, which was hard. It sounded like a word processor. And then you got to white out things.

Then you bring it to a Xerox place. And they'd Xerox it and bind it. And you had your, your book. So that's what, that's what the environment was like. So, so we had this internet thing. It was, it was growing very steadily. And then they said, hey, let's allow commercial activity. But there was no culture of Internet users that had any commercial instincts at all.

So even though they opened it up in 89, nothing happened in 89. Nothing happened in 90. Nothing happened in 92. Nothing happened in 93. 94 things started to percolate. And I was the person that organized the very first conference in the history of mankind that said, let's look at the web as a commercial medium. How do we commercialize this thing?

How do we make it pay for itself? That was our main issue is how do we make it pay for itself so it can grow? And how do we make it so people can make a living on this thing? Right? And so I organized that conference. Mark Andreessen, who was one of the, he was the co-developer of the original Mosaic browser, which was the browser that really connected the world to the World Wide Web. He was one of the speakers at age 23.

And we had a lot of very interesting people there. And if you Google my name, Ken McCarthy, Time Magazine, magazine click through rate, you will see that in Time Magazine's version of history, I'm the person that figured out that the click through calculating, monitoring, tracking the click through was going to be a super foundation for the commercialization of the net. Now, was I really the guy that did that? I think it was an idea in the air, but I was certainly the guy that was talking about it most loudly. And so that's kind of a big deal because Google, Facebook, everything runs on calculating the value of a click. You take that away and there's no Google or Facebook, right?

So I did a bunch of other things. The one relevant to hear is that, believe it or not, if you wanted to hear audio, forget video, if you wanted to hear audio on the internet, you had to get a thing called a real audio player. You had to download it. Would you have remembered this? Let's see. You would have been like 10 or 12 or something or I don't know, something like that. You've been pretty young.

And then you'd have to get a file, and then you'd have to take the file and put it in your player, and then you could play it. There was no such thing as pushing a button and having media just stream out of you. You know, it was all text and graphics. Interesting little trivia when Mark Andreessen, he never gets credit for this. I don't know why. He's the guy that came up with the idea of making it easy to put graphics on the internet, you know, on the web, right? And the inventor of the web, Tim Bernice Lee, was outraged because he said,

we don't have enough bandwidth for pictures. You're going to crash the internet. Obviously, that didn't happen. But anyway, this idea that you can just push a button and media streams out at you, believe it or not, started at one of my conferences. I used to put on this annual conference every year. And a guy named Mike Stewart, who was a video producer who I taught internet stuff to, came to me and said, hey, Ken. I said, what? He said, You know that flash player? Yeah, the flash player, you still let you see primitive video. This is way back.

He goes, what if you didn't put a video in it and you just put an audio file in it? I said, I don't know. What? He goes, you could have like 20 minutes of audio with the push of a button, right? So we introduced that in 2002, if you can believe it. You know, there was no such thing as that. Again, you used, there were audio, you could play audio, but you'd have to grab the file and you'd have to put it in the thing and do this, do that.

So it seems crazy, but I think all podcasting on the internet comes from that, that simple, that simple insight. The guy that, the first guy to sell banner ads was a guy named Rick Boyce, and he, he was an ad agency guy. And I taught him the internet, and I taught him, hey, Rick, if you put a little square on the page and they click on it, it'll take them to the whole website. And you can track the clicks. So he, two months later, he quit his job in the ad agency business and went to work for Wired, which had a brand new service called HotWired, which was the first commercial, serious commercial website ever,

the one that, you know, it wasn't just a bunch of kids or a bunch of hobbies. It was a bunch of suits saying, we're going to make a living out of this. So I have a, had a role in that. So the internet's been on my mind a lot. And then in 1995, I put on, I think the first conference on the subject of local internet content. because people were still geared to it's the World Wide Web so we have to do weird stuff with it that's global and I said well why not report local stuff and this was a hard concept for people to grasp at the time believe it or not but I did that in 1995 and so now here's where it gets relevant to what we're doing I was frustrated at the slowness with which local community media was picking up on the internet they just weren't using it I'm like guys use it it's amazing so I'm

I said, I'm going to do a, what do you call it, like a test project. I'm going to pretend I'm a journalist and I'm going to cover a story and I'm going to show you how you would use the internet to cover a story in depth because I was already very aware that the media was completely screwed up, completely dishonest, never gives the whole picture and never gives enough detail. And I was hoping somebody else was going to step up and do something, right? So I started a blog about the subject of an election fraud that took place in San Francisco where I lived in 1997. And it was a really interesting deal. The De Barthalo family that owns the 49er football team conned the criminally corrupt mayor at the time,

Willie Brown, to support the idea of just giving them a free gift of $250 million so they could upgrade their stadium. And with interest, that would have cost the taxpayers of San Francisco half a billion dollars. And even though San Francisco seems to be a place of crazies and freaks, believe it or not, it's got a very, for a city, it's got a very high percentage of single-family homeowners. There's a lot of neighborhoods in San Francisco that are single-family homeowners. These people are paying taxes, and they didn't want to give the DeBardello family, connected to organized crime, a half a billion dollar free gift. So this thing was behind in the polls.

It was no chance it was going to win, you know? And then when the night of the election came, and San Francisco guys are really weird. It's like this primitive system. They have nine precincts. And the precinct closest to town hall gets the ballots first. And then as you get further and further away from town hall, it's like nine different counts.

So they kind of won precinct. The precinct that really didn't want this thing because these are low-income people that do own their own houses. A lot of Asian people, of African American people that had been pushed out of the good parts of the neighborhood. They've been pushed way way to the parts of San Francisco. Most people don't even know exist, right? They didn't want this thing at all because they were going to pay for it.

And there was no benefit to them. But what happened was their ballot boxes disappeared for four hours. They usually come in on a regular, you know, here's about, you know, everything's normal. Like, here it is. Let's count it. Here's the next one. Well, their ballot boxes just like were lost in space for four hours. And when they showed up, it was 90% for the.

the stadium and 10% against. And the stadium just won by 0.1%. And it was a simple majority. So boom, half a billion dollars to the bar to those. The mayor, Willie Brown, jumps up on a table with pom-poms and starts dancing. We won, you know. And we all said, this is bullshit, man. And that was an intuitive thing. But then I talked to some statisticians. And they said, there is no way this could have happened this way. So long story short, I started, believe it or not, the first news blog. Now, some guy a year later at some mainstream North Carolina newspaper gets credit for it, but I was the first person in 97 to do a daily report on a story. I just kept following the story and following the story and following the story. So that was just a demo.

I just wanted to demo to the world. Here's how you do journalism with the internet. It's almost my only intention, right? And I thought, surely, as I put out all this data, the mainstream news media in San Francisco is going to pick up on it and want to like cover the story. And then I discovered, oh, no, they don't want to cover this story at all because they've all been paid off and everything. So we got 25,000. So I used the email newsletter model, which is you get you opt in and then you emailed everybody every time I had a new post.

It was like a circuit, you know. And we ended up with a big mailing list. And we ended up with 25,000 San Francisco signed a petition to have the, the election examined. That's all we wanted. We just wanted people to look at the detail. And the judge threw it out. And it turned out that the district attorney, the city attorney, the mayor, we're all in on it. Every single elections attorney in San Francisco was receiving money from the DeBarillo,

so none of them would take our case. We had to get an attorney from Sacramento. I mean, it was amazing. A group called The Voting Integrity Project from Virginia heard about it, and they were very concerned about election fraud back in the 90s, and they showed up with some firepower. And unfortunately, our prime witness died a mysterious fire two days before she was going to be interviewed by ex-FBI agents

who had been contracted by the Voting Integrity Project. And then a couple of months later, a guy that was doing really good research into Willie Brown and Diane Feinstein and the other criminals in San Francisco was beaten nearly to death by two strangers who didn't rob him. And I moved out of San Francisco and moved back east after that. So anyway, that's my experience. So I had some experience of being involved in commercializing the internet. Can I just say that is a wild story? Yeah, well, go to, go to, I hate to say this because I'll probably attract trolls.

But if you go to Wikipedia, my bio has been attacked by armies of people. And everything there has had to be proven a million different ways to Sunday. And it's all there. I have the video of my first conference in 94. I've got Mark Andreessen, 23 years old. He's got air. You can't AI that. You can't pretend that.

You know, right place, right time. You know, right place, right time. Okay. Okay, okay, before we go any further. Yeah. All I can, I'm like, you know, when it came to COVID, I keep running into these people, and you're just another one that are much older than me, and maybe not crazy older than me. Ken, I don't mean to date you.

I just mean that you've experienced. Born in 1959. You've experienced things that I just, there's no way I can remember that. I'd have to go read a book and read the story, then, and you've experienced it firsthand. and you're talking about election fraud and well two things come to mind one is 2020 right and and your thoughts on that and what and the next thing is is like well we're sitting in 2024 i mean i i love to sit here in can i go like you know what i can't talk about the the 2024 election in the states every day because like we have our own problems here in canada we're not governed by the united

States of America. But an election year, that's going to be the cycle of news, you know, Trump, everything going on, Vivek now endorsing Trump, on and on and on. So I guess I just go with your background and what you've seen, what are your thoughts on 2020? Election fraud is as American as apple pie. It's baked into the cake. There's a million ways to do it. some blatantly illegal, some semi-illegal, some just really sharp practice. And in the case of the San Francisco one, which I have detailed knowledge about, they did a lot of, they would do things like if they knew a precinct was going to heavily vote against the stadium bond, they'd just close it.

And they'd put a sign on the door saying, oh, your thing has been moved. you know, like 18 blocks away, you know. They also did the thing of going through the voter records and trying to disqualify as many people as possible who they thought might be voters against the bond. So that's sort of, that's all legal, I mean, in quotes. The other thing they did was they had city employees on city salary, on city time, going around and doing electioneering for the bond issue.

That was completely illegal, but they got away with it because the city attorney and the district attorney was in the back for it. So, you know, I don't know about 220. I did hear a really interesting story, which should have rang true. It was from, and the guy seemed very authentic. And he was telling a story that wouldn't make sense unless you knew how the logistics of this works. He said, I was hired to go pick up a truck in New York City and drive. drive it to a vote counting place in Pennsylvania. That's already very strange.

Then when I got there, they told me, nope, not here, go to another one. And then when I got to that one, they told me go to another one. So in other words, they were laundering. They were, they were creating like, it's the way crooked corporations set up all these different shell companies. So like the real owner's over here, but the transactions here, but it went through this one here and it went through that one there.

So anybody that tries to trace what actually happened, could easily get taken off the trail. So if the truck had come from New York to a vote counting place in Pennsylvania, that would have been red light, right? But the fact that they washed it by moving it from place to place to place. So somebody could credibly say at the final terminus, oh, well, this truck came from Pennsylvania. And if that, if they went back another leg, the guy would go,

yeah, this came from Pennsylvania. We just had to move them to the next place. So when I heard that story, I'm like, oh, boy, was there a little factory of people preparing? Because, you know, you have all these write-in ballots and all this kind of stuff. You know, was there a factory of people just preparing ballots in New York City and then shipping them via this laundering method? I mean, that's something that should have been looked into. You know, and this does go on. For example, if people remember the great subprime credit scam that happened in this

country that, you know, tanked the economy for a while. There were literally factories of people fabricating deed transfers in almost like a factory-like setting. Absolutely illegal, absolutely criminal. The deal was, you know, and if I hadn't known that story, I might not have been able to visualize what might have happened in 2020 with that truck from New York. But basically, they wanted to package up all these mortgages, right? And to package their... you have to transfer the ownership of the mortgage from whoever is holding the mortgage to this pool right and they wanted to do it in industrial strength they wanted to do it at a scale it had never been done before and they didn't want to bother with the normal paperwork required to do a proper mortgage

transfer yeah so they just had factories of people just sitting there fraudulently transferring mortgages so they could be packaged and sold to suckers you know they thought they were buying you know good bond portfolios and maybe the top 10% were good and the rest of the 90 was crap. So crime absolutely white collar crime absolutely can take place on an industrial scale, which is how you would do an election fraud within the state. And you know, the vote counting is handled by the state and then it's actually really handled on the county level. So there's all kinds of chances for chicanery and all that kind of stuff. It's in my, if you go to my website, it's called Brasscheck dot com forward slash stadium and you can just read all the little I mean it literally was a master

class in election for it everything every single thing to say it again I'll write it down I'll put it in the show notes brass it's called B-R-A-S-S-S check C-H-E-C-K dot com forward slash stadium and it's pretty primitive you'll see that this was a 1997 website because there's nothing fantastic about it And it's in reverse order. So I have the most recent news item and then it just pours away. And you'll see it was a masterclass in election. And quite frankly, the Bush family definitely was engaged in election fraud, getting George Jr. in too.

People forget that. So both parties are involved. And I was going to say, Ken, you know, like immediately, I would say the Republican, the conservative right now is they look at the liberals in Canada and they look at the Dems in the states go. uh these the other side is just terrific but you know you raise a good point and and that that both sides know what's going on that oh yeah i mean here's a little story um car rove who was who is who is bush's guy um somehow can convinced the state of ohio you know we have certain swing states that are really important you know if you can get ohio you know that's like a big win to have all their voting tabulations sent to his mainframe or sent to a mainframe or a system that belonged to one of his people that he controlled.

And they kind of laundered, again, it was sort of a laundering of data. And the guy who did that, who was handling that operation, was going, he was summoned to talk to Congress. And he died in a single plane car, a single plane accident before he had a chance to do his testimony. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on out there that that's either incredibly coincidental or incredibly sinister. Oh, we go sinister. I mean, there's no point in coming on this show and giving the audience the impression that it's coincidental. I don't think there's anything coincidental. And it's, you know, at this point, I think, you know, we lived through what we did here in Canada with COVID.

And certainly you guys have too. but you know you just look at you just look at how mainstream media reacted to everything and how everything went down and then you just see how they've been harassing different journalists who you know focus on certain things i mean we just had one rested for talking to christia freeland on street and then they'll go well he didn't get charged it's like he got arrested for asking her questions this is canada 2024 so i'm not going to go with that oh it's coincidental not not a chance It's, to me, there's a lot of sinister stuff happening in the world. And your story just reinforces that it just didn't happen overnight.

Like, this has been going on for a very long time. And you just, you think back to what you're talking about. What year was San Francisco? What year was that? 97. You know, 97 is like, so up here, how on earth would we have heard about that, you know, in today's world with social media. And especially, you know, I'm not saying X is perfect. But what Elon's done there has allowed information to just be shared freely where in the middle of COVID, it was getting the clamps were on it.

It was tightened and they were snuffing it out. He buys it and now it's opened up and you'd hear these stories all over the place. But it's almost information overload at all times. We're like, holy crap. The whole world's falling apart. I got to walk out my front door and realize that is not the case. Yeah, I mean, imagine in 97, no such thing is social media. No such thing, streaming video.

No such thing is streaming audio. in a way it was a little simpler. It was just websites and email. And it was all still pretty new in 97. It really didn't start taking off until 94. And it hadn't really fully blossomed. So if you were doing something interesting, you could get some traction. I've always been and continue to be a heavy user of email.

I believe email is superior. I mean, good to have the social media take advantage of every channel that you can manage. But make sure you're getting people's emails addresses and make sure you have a weekly email newsletter. Why is that? Well, uh, to, one, one is just for impact. And then two, we found out why, right? Because they're going to, they're going to, you know, wake up one day. You know, my Twitter channel was frozen, uh, in March of 2021. You can see it. It's at ken mccarthy.com and you can read all my tweets and I recommend everybody read my February 1st, 2020 tweet. February 1st, 2020. Note the date. The date.

This is before any lockdown started. This is when it was just in Italy and, you know, nobody even knew if it was coming to North America at all. I said this is a vaccine scam and they're going to use it to try to fast track a coronavirus vaccine. And they're going to use more speed than science. I said that February 1st, 2020. I don't do everything right, but I'm pretty good at seeing the big picture. You know, and people go, how did you know?

I'm like, look, number one, the news is coming out of China. And God bless the Chinese people and the Chinese culture, marvelous. Chinese government? Not so marvelous. So any, and I'm ideal in financial stuff. And I mean, I look casual, because this is what I actually wear. But I fairly sophisticated. I used to work for first Boston.

I used to work for bankers trust, you know, big investment banks. And I was deep in it. It was a long time ago. But I still know which way the wind is blowing. And in my industry, any number that comes out of China is consistent. that are like guilty until proven innocent. Like we don't believe anything they say, right? So the news is coming out of China and it's being filtered through the mainstream news media.

Okay, now we have bullshit, not squared, we have bullshit cubed. So I just figured this has to be a lie. Has to be a lie. And then little things like, you know, they would show people just falling over. Remember you're like, someone's walking down the street and see the guy fall over? And I'm like, Wuhan's got 11 million people. That's a lot of people. And they've got a close circuit TV on every street corner.

I guarantee they're catching 10, 20, 30 people falling over every day for who knows what, right? And so they took that, that they found it and they just framed it and said, this is the disease. It makes people fall over, right? Which is insane. And then I remember they showed pictures of like a woman on a, on a, whatever you call it they have in the hospital where you laid, a gurney, just thrashing around. I'm going, that's not a respiratory disease. What are you talking about? And we might go along this line, right?

So we're all here in North America. We're sitting there watching this thing through this tube, you know, and it's kind of all vague and fuzzy, but it's in China. And we're like, wow, that looks crazy. And then they started locking people down. And we thought, well, my God, that would never happen here. Right. But what they did was they implanted the idea that it was even possible, right? That's what happened.

This was a show. This was a pantomime. And that was Act 1. China was Act 2 was Italy. Right? Remember how it flowed? It's kind of a long time ago, but it's important for people to remember how they pulled this off. So it's still happening in China.

We're not, who cares, China? You know, it's across the Pacific. Then now it's in Italy. Uh-oh. Those are Europeans, you know? They're kind of like us. You know, maybe, maybe, you know, we better pay closer attention. So what they didn't tell us about Italy is the place where the pandemic occurred.

And I'll talk about why I do this all the time when I say pandemic. It was in northern Italy, which, believe it or not, gets cold in the winter, you know. And it is the most industrialized place in Europe. You know, we don't think of Italy as being industrialized place. but if you think of all those great racing cars and the Ferraris and you just name an Italian fiats and everything, all that stuff is made in the north. Milan, if you ever go to Milan, people in Milan are colder than people in New York City. Like, they are all business in the north.

Why does that matter? Because there's a lot of industrial activity and it's between two. It's a big valley. There's two mountains. There's got the Alps and you got the Aphanines, right? And it's a valley. every year in the winter, they have air pollution emergencies. It's like clockwork.

The other thing that part of Italy has is a lot of old people. It's literally the oldest demographic in all of Europe. So you have the worst air in all of Europe. You have the oldest demographic in all of Europe. And like so many countries, they've just, decided to whittle away their hospital beds. So I know New York State in the last 20 years has just eliminated 25% of its hospital beds. Just they're gone.

We didn't lose 25% of our population, but we lost 25% of our hospital beds. I think Italy is like 2.3 hospital beds per thousand. Korea is 14, you know? So it's like there's quite a gap there. So we have a very old population. We have really bad air conditions, which happen every year predictably. We have a threadbare medical system. And if you can just Google this, the year before COVID, all those hospitals were overwhelmed, too.

People in the hallway and gurneys, you know, they couldn't. So this thing that happened in Italy, this respiratory distress syndrome, happened seasonally in Italy every year. What did they do? They put a frame around it. Oh, my God, it's COVID. I went from China where people are falling on the street, which was BS. And now it's in Italy and it's coming to us. That's Act 2.

Act 3, and this is where the book comes in. Act 3 was New York City, if you remember. And if you're just listening, what he put up is Ken's book, What the Nurses saw. What the Nurses saw. And if you want information about that, it's what the nurses saw.com. And if you remember, it's important to remember, right? And it's easy to forget, but I don't forget. I write things now.

After China, Italy, that was Act 2. Act 3 was New York City. This amazing virus was very orderly. You know, first it went to China, and then it went to Italy. And the other thing, the little sidebar, Anthony Fauci, of course, is an Italian-American. And he's very proud of that. And I happened to find a little clip where he was being interviewed by an Italian-American podcast where they're, hey, this is pre-COVID.

And he was bragging that so many physicians, public health physicians come to NIH to spend years under Tony Fauci learning from him. And he was bragging how he knew the guys in Rome and then guys in Milan and the guy. He was listing every city that had a catastrophic, a supposedly catastrophic hit from COVID. Was he in communication with them? Was he talking with them? Well, here's something interesting. He talked every night with Chris Cuomo, who is the brother of Andrew Cuomo, who is the governor of New York State who was running the historic. area campaign for COVID in New York State.

Every day, he'd show up in his bomber jacket, his governor's bomber jacket, and he'd be reading the statistics with the big grim face, you know, this unbelievable showmanship. Well, he, Fauci accidentally, or no, was Cuomo, his brother accidentally released. He just, he said, oh, yeah, I talk with Tony every day when I had COVID. I'm like, oh, and then I looked into it. And it turns out that he knew those boys, the Cuomo boys. the Cuomo boys when Mario was the governor. Like he's like embedded into the brain of this family.

And Cuomo was the guy that was the cheerleader for hysteria in New York. So this amazing virus went from China, jumped all the way to Italy. Didn't affect anybody else anywhere. There was a problem in Iran, but Iran too. Iran's got terrible air quality. Just horrific Tehran, terrible. It's like L.A. It's like L.A.

used to be times 10, right? So it jumped to Italy and then it jumped just to New York City, right? It didn't go anywhere else. It just sat in New York City for a while. Right. Viruses don't, you know, assuming you buy the virus thing, which is a whole other issue. They don't move like that. Infectious diseases don't move, you know, so discreetly. So anyway, Act 3 was New York City. And what they did was, according to, I'll read, what the nurse, one of the nurses said, you have to write books because if you don't write books, you'll forget all this stuff.

We're killing these patients with protocols that obviously don't work. And they're not only not listening to the nurses, they're firing anyone who speaks out. So what they did was they converted a few public hospitals, publicly run hospitals, city hospitals, into COVID hospitals. Right. And then they put out the call for nurses and doctors to staff these hospitals.

And they had contract nurses. And they were paying these nurses $10,000 a week, US. I didn't say a month. I said $10,000 a week. And it was so disorganized that they were paying some of these nurses $10,000 a week. And they were just having them sit around hotel rooms for, five, six, seven, eight, ten, twelve days. Right? They brought the big steamers, the big Navy ship in to it. We need a medical ship. And I think one guy got on and looked around and that was the whole thing. They built this huge outdoor, you know, field hospital, 2,000 beds.

I think 20 people showed up. But somehow there was a lot of action in these city hospitals, all of which were in poor neighborhoods. And which also some of the not coincidentally, some of these poor neighborhoods have very bad bad air quality. In the Bronx, all these details matter. That's why I'm kind of going detailed if you don't mind. In the Bronx, we have a, you know, I've been on the trans, is it the TransCanada Highway? Is that what it's called? Yep.

So I've been on it outside of the big cities. And you know, it's just a two lane road in a lot of places. And I was like, this is the trend. Yeah. So I'm like, this is. the transnational highway but in but in but in the states especially in a city when we say a national highway we mean something that's got just traffic you can't even conceive of so they built uh one of the one of the interstates through the south bronx everybody's heard of the south bronx right what a dangerous

place it is so they built the thing and it's an overhead okay and it's always got um it's always jammed oh there's always a traffic jam like always So what do you have? You have all these trucks, these diesel trucks sitting there idling, just dropping diesel fumes on these poor people, 24-7. It's got the highest rate of asthma in the country. It's a real disaster. So when the COVID thing happened, a lot of these people were terrorized out of their minds and they went to the hospital and then they were put on what I call the conveyor belt of death. And that's what, so here's what they did. First, they tested the hell out of you. They were desperately to try to, well,

initially they didn't even have a test, right? But then when they had the test, they were desperately trying to get everybody to test positive, right? And as soon as they tested positive, now it became a legal thing. Now you are a COVID case. This whole thing was planned out by attorneys and similarly twisted people. No offense to my attorney friends. But government, let's call them government attorneys. This was not a medical thing. This was not a scientific thing. This was not a public health thing. This was not a let's pitch in and save people thing. This was figured out by people with that kind of mindset. So as soon as you got tested positive, now you are a COVID patient and the COVID protocols kick in. Okay. What were the COVID protocols? And here's where all these

deaths came from. Step one, you are not allowed or you will not be given a simple anti-inflammatory. We're not talking about ivermectin or vitamin debrato, but anything like that. Ibuprofen, which we call Advil, that's the brand name here. You are not allowed to have that. Okay, now, the people that were sick with this thing, and people get respiratory infections all the time. I mean, that's life, especially in the winter, when they're indoors all the time and not getting fresh air and they're not getting sun and blah, blah, blah. So that's why we have, we always have a peak of those kind of diseases in our part of the, of the world and then it flips.

And then, you know, because we're, it's now summer down in Australia. So then they're, they're outdoors. They'll have their problem when we're having our summer. So the normal treatment, which has been done, it's not controversial. It's standard of care. It's the way it is. It's the what you do is if somebody comes in with respiratory stress with a possible infection, you give them an anti-inflammatory and you give them some variety of steroids.

Not the kind of steroids that, you know, bodybuilders do, but, but a steroid class. And that is known to tamp down the inflammation because it's not the virus that kills people. It is the inflammatory response that sometimes just goes out of control. Most of us, you know, will have an inflammatory response to something. It burns through and then our body recovers and we're fine. But if you're weak or you already have a lung problem or if you're old or, you know, elderly and not well and you have other things like could be asthma, it might not go so well. So the first thing you want to do is tamp down that inflammation.

So it doesn't catch fire. You don't want the house to catch fire. You want to throw water on the, like there's a fire in your house and you have a bucket of water. Well, let's throw the bucket of water on it, right? Let's not just sit back and say, let's see what happens with that fire. That's essentially, not even, it's exactly what they did in the protocol. What's the next thing they would do? there's a whole step, you know, simple, more complex, more complex, more complex, more complex,

with people that are having respiratory problems. The very first thing you do is you put them on a cannula, which is like the thing up your nose. You're not in your nose, but, you know, here you have the thing, you have the tank, and it gives you additional oxygen, right? And very safe, very effective in most cases, in many cases. And they were saying, oh, we got a new protocol here. If you need that and you're not recovering, you know, fast, then we have to vent you. Now venting, so this is the cannula here.

And venting is like red alert. Like you only, it's intubation venting. Intubation so you know what it means is you're basically taking a pipe, which they affectionately call the garden hose. in hospital settings because it's not a trivial pipe and you jam it down somebody's throat all the way down into their lungs and then you have to put a feeding tube in too so you got to get you got to you know figure out how to do that it is very intrusive obviously it's a last here's the key that take away it's a last resort thing let's say you come in and your lungs are genuinely filled with fluid i mean you're just whatever you know you're you're having just you know you're really sick with something

something severe. And there's no other way to treat you. Then you would vent somebody. And there's a whole protocol you got to do the blood test and see, you know, what's their carbon dioxide gas level in their blood? And if it reaches a certain level, it's like, wow, this guy, if he doesn't get some help fast, like severe, serious, like massive help, he is going to die. Right. So that's when you intubate somebody or somebody's in a massive car wreck. And the shock is so severe their system, their diaphragm stopped working. Okay, well, you got to put a pipe down that guy, you know, breathe for him, is basically. But what they were doing in these public hospitals with these poor people, and by poor, I mean, you know, these are poor neighborhoods.

These are not rich people. These are not necessarily well-educated people. They were just racing them to the intubation stage. And the nurse that I quoted here, Aaron Olshevsky, said that there was never an empty vent. As soon as somebody died, they'd clean it off and put another person on there. Now, in between the not giving them the anti-inflammatories, which is standard practice, again, we're not talking about anything crazy here like romectin, which isn't even crazy. But we're not even talking about that. We're talking about the thing that is always done. It's like somebody comes in with a cut, you wash it, you put a band-aid on.

You don't debate this. You just do it, right? Somebody comes in with inflammation. You give them an anti-inflammatory. That was banned. See? All right. Now, in the middle of the banning of the anti-inflammatories and racing people who didn't

belong on ventilators, and we'll talk about how dangerous ventilators are in a second, there was a middle phase, which is, hey, we've got this cure. It's called remdesivir. Would you like some? Now, when did, when did, sorry, Kim, when did remdesivir start? Okay. When did they start with that treatment? Okay.

Here's the scam of the century. Randisabir was designed to treat Ebola and it was an utter failure. I mean, the thesis was, and it's the same thesis as all the AIDS drugs, which is a scam. And by the way, I have another book. And for the listener, Fauci's first fraud, that's the book he's holding up. Yeah, and this is going to be a trilogy. So Fauci's first fraud was the first one. The second one is what the nurses saw.

The third one is the Nuremberg Code and it's mod. enemies but going back to to fouchy it's a complicated see i always tell people if you're going to commit a crime commit a really complicated crime with a lot of moving pieces and nobody will ever be able to figure out you know and that and that's what fouchy did before we go to foci red desivere when you have to know but you have to know fouchy you really i'm okay okay okay yeah all right back in the 80s um it's a good thing this is a long for a show. Don't worry about it.

I'm enjoying myself. Back in the 80s, suddenly these young, youngish people, men in certain cities were suddenly getting really severe diseases that didn't make sense. And it was a miss, it was a mystery, it was a sort of a mystery. But if you read the way back, they knew what the problem was. And of course, I'm talking about the AIDS, the so-called AIDS epidemic. Now, AIDS is real. You can't have a catastrophic collapse of your immune system.

And once that happens, anything goes. I mean, you know, any opportunistic infection, you're a goner. But what they misrepresented and what Fauci took advantage of, and by taking advantage of, he set the platform to create COVID 40 years later. I don't mean create the disease. I mean create the panic and the whole fact. financial scam, all the details, everything they did now, they worked out in the 1980s using AIDS as the foundation of their scam. So the reality is people's immune systems don't just

collapse because they're exposed to a virus. That's just bullshit. I'm sorry, you know. What does happen is intravenous drug users, hemophiliacs, and people who were living, you know, we'll call it the fast lane lifestyle. Every community has a percentage that overdoes it, right? The way that manifested in the male homosexual community in New York City, in San Francisco, in L.A., in Atlanta, where all these diseases first appeared, was a lot of partying. But it also included a lot of sexual activity. and it also included a lot of garden variety sexually transmitted diseases.

You know, just the plain ones that you get if you're not being careful. And it wasn't uncommon for that small segment of society. I'm not talking about the whole community. I'm talking about the guys that overdid it to get 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 sexually transmitted diseases per year. Okay? And how do you treat them with antibiotics? And it got to the point where this small, segment of society, of a larger community, was taking antibiotics prophylactically.

Hey, I'm going out tonight. But what happens when you take, I mean, we all know antibiotics. They're a wonder drug and when you need them, you need them. What happens when you take them every day of your life? Not good for your immune system in case you didn't know. And they had an outbreak of a disease pre-AIDS. I don't want to get gross, but it was basically a disease that had never been seen in the developed world.

It's like something that you see in a country that has no sanitation and, you know, people are living in terrible conditions. So you had this degradation of the health of a certain group of people. Then they added drugs to it. And they added the garden variety, cocaine, speed, marijuana, alcohol. But they added an extra drug called poppers, amino nitrate. What it is, it's an ampule, you break it and you inhale it. In medicine, it's used if someone's having a heart attack because it opens up everything really, really. fast. It's also used very sparingly because it's highly toxic. Well, it turned it became a party drug

to this particular community and it wasn't unusual for a guy to go out and do five, 10, 20 poppers a night. And it's also facilitated certain interactions, physical interactions that we won't get in the details of, but it made them easier to do. This drug was so prevalent that if you went to a bar, and it's all in my book, Fouch's first fraud, in a in a gay, you know, male gay environment, they'd have liquor and they'd have poppers that you could buy. Because there were certain clubs that would spray poppers. They put it in like a machine to like spray them over the dance for. One of the things we have in the film that I made that the book is based on, you actually see guys dancing and you see a guy breaking one, snorting one, and just

damn. I mean, this was part of it. Now, the problem with this drug is it's a heavy carcinogen. And the original drugs, the original, excuse me, the original diseases that they called AIDS. One was a car posy sarcoma, which normally appears on the skin of Mediterranean men who are in their 80s that have been in the sun their whole life. And suddenly it was appearing where? In the noses and throats of young men. Let's see. They're snorting a carcinogen five to ten times a night. They're going out five nights a week.

They're taking antibiotics. They're dealing with multiple sexually transmitted diseases. They're young guys, so they're reckless by, you know, we're all crazy when we're young. And gee, their immune system fell apart. God, it's a mystery, man. I can't imagine how that could have happened. Well, obviously, that's what happened. The other disease that people were getting who were engaged in this kind of lifestyle was a fungal growth in the lungs.

Now, if you're snorting a known carcinogen on a regular basis, do you think maybe you're going to cause a problem? So anyway, what Fauci did is what he said. Here's where it comes to COVID. He said, it's a virus. It's not their lifestyle. It's not lifestyle factors. It's a virus. And then they terrorized the world, just like they did with COVID.

They said, oh, boy, you were born 89? Born 86, 86. 86. We see you missed all this. I was in my 20s in the 80s. And we were told Oprah Winfrey, who had 40 million viewers, got on TV around 86, 87, and told her studio audience, which was her 40 million person audience, by 1990, one out of every five people in this audience is going to be dead from AIDS. That's the level of hysteria that they were cooking. And it was very similar to COVID. They, you know, something appeared. They put a frame. around it and said virus and then they said no cure and then they also said see how much of this is familiar they said you can have it and not know it you could be completely healthy but you've got it and you're a spreader and with AIDS was very interesting they said well it's going to kill you within a year and then a lot of people had this so-called virus based on testing and

they didn't die well it it's it hides it weights could come out at any time, right? So, so and then people and they said it's sexually transmitted. So people were thinking like, well, I know who I've had sex with, but do I really know who every, even if you're heterosexual, do you know everybody who like can, if you looked at all people you've had sex with and then trace back all the people they had sex with and trace there might be some wild stuff going on that you had no idea, right? But you're a part of the chain, right? So everybody, um, uh, heterosexual, homosexual, everybody was was like, we're And then, oh, hey, we got the magic cure.

It's A ZT. A formerly failed drug banned, actually literally physically, officially banned for human use, even for experimentation, because it was so toxic. It was a carcinogen, it was a mutagen. It was just, it just wrecked you, right? But they had an emergency use authorization because the situation was so dire.

dire this virus we've got to control it because if you get it it's going to kill you so just take this a zt guys and the estimate is at least the guy that did the numbers wasn't was a gay rights activist fellow Harvard trained in statistics he focused mainly on the male gay community he estimates they killed at least 300 000 gay men with that azet drug because coincidentally the um the adverse reactions to AZT are exactly the description of AIDS. So you would have guys, and I, you know, I lived in New York City, you know, there's all kinds of people there. So I knew people that were completely healthy. They got the AIDS test, lost their minds with fear, because it came back positive, got on AZT, and within six months to a year, they were skeletons and they were dead, which is exactly

why they banned the drug in the first place. So everything that we saw, the framing of a explainable problem, attributing it to a virus, claiming that the virus was unprecedented and had features that had never been seen in the history of mankind, saying that, oh, it could be spread by people that don't even know they have it, telling people, if you get it, you're a goner, making everybody wait on pins and needles for the cure. And then when the cure comes, a lot of people like Lemings just ran to it. Now, the other part of that, it was any journalist or doctor or scientist, including Kerry Mullis, winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, inventor of the PCR technology, anybody, no matter who they were, could have been

Peter Dewsberg, one of the most esteemed virologists in the history of medicine, once voted Scientist of the Year for California. Anybody that said anything against Fauci's theory, they were done. You're gone. You're journalist. You're gone. You're an academic. You're gone. Here's how it works. Fauci's, and this is important because this explains COVID, too. Fauci's up there dishing out all the money for medical research. So he's sending money to Stanford, Harvard, blah, blah, blah, blah. If you cross him, the money is gone. The money's gone. So the university's perfectly happy to enforce and tell their professors, no, you don't go in that direction anymore because the whole university will be shut off. So a lot of people wonder,

well, how did this COVID thing, how did it become so, I don't, I don't mean that the alleged disease, I mean, respiratory problems are real. Respiratory problems can kill. No question. Respiratory problems can be very serious, no question. But when I, but, but attributing it to this virus that came out of China and traveled through Italy before it got to New York or, you know, I lost my track on that. But anyway, they attributed all to the virus. They made everybody, they terrorized everybody. And they punished dissenters really intensely.

Like careers ruined, journalists, careers ruined. Professors. So they create, and here's the key. They create an environment where you're not allowed to talk about this. What I just talked about, you cannot be a governor of a state. You cannot be a county executive of a county. You can't be a public health official, federal, state, local, unless you genuflect at the HIV test, which is bogus, completely bogus, by the way, it's just like the COVID test.

There's a hundred different ways plus to trigger an HIV test, a positive result on an HIV that have nothing to do with anything, right? So if you dare question the positive test means you've got AIDS, means you're going to die or miserable death unless you take this series of drugs. If you question that, you're done. You're not going to be a public health official anywhere. You might not even be able to be a dog catcher. So when Fauci came up, Fauci and Friends came up with their next greatest hit, because they're always trying, you know, Bobola was kind of a scam.

That's a whole other issue. Zika virus, the bird flu, avi. They're always looking to just gin everything up, get everybody crazed, push out a vaccine. They've been doing this forever. But they had their greatest hit with COVID. I mean, it was just amazing. But if you think the repression of dissent is a new thing in medicine and science and journalism, absolutely not.

So every single aspect of COVID was figured out. out, invented, discovered, worked out pushing the AIDS scam. So when people go, well, how is it that this thing, everybody agreed all at once? Because you can't, unless you agree with Tony Fauci and his AIDS thing, and over half a trillion dollars in real money has been spent on AIDS research alone. That's a lot of money and everybody's been,

And then there's all these AIDS programs and every county gets them and every state gets them. So nobody crosses Tony Fauci. Nobody questions, gee, is it really a disease that just came out of nowhere? Or are there lifestyle and nutrition and body, body enhancing things? You know, so anyway. But you're also pointing out that it wasn't just all sudden, oh, 2020. Oh, we got this thing and they just started shooting from the hip. Oh, no.

pointing out that this has been decades in the works. And, you know, whether it was focused directly on COVID or whatever version was going to catch on with the public, you know, it started, you're talking about HIV. Then you're, then you're talking, you know, probably H1N1 and you're going on and on. And the great hit is COVID. And for people like, such as myself, I just, you know, I didn't grow up in it with the HIV terror. The H1N1 back, what was that, 2009, 2010? Somewhere in that range. Yeah.

You know, I don't know. I guess it just didn't obviously do anything because I didn't hear anything about it. And you think, you think, and certainly, Ken, I'll let you. Like, you just think this has been slowly building and they've slowly been putting, oh, that may. And I don't know, I'm just thinking aloud here. Oh, that piece didn't work. All right. Well, let's get somebody over there.

Oh, no. What about the universities? Well, we fund them all. So they're going to go along with, with what we got going on. And we control the money. and they're going to control the dissenters within there. And we've seen, you know, this podcast alone. We've talked to too many people now that have been removed from jobs because of simple things

over the course of the past couple of decades where they just slowly get moved out. So now you have a type of teacher or, heck, lawyer on and on and on it goes where they, where they're funded, they had their job and they, okay, and they know where their bread's buttered from, so to speak. and it culminates in COVID hysteria. And the thing was is, you know, like media controlled. Like, I mean, just like, I, you know, now it's just like it's, it's so controlled. It's not even funny.

You know, like there's this giant, you know, the protests going on in Germany right now. And you're like, well, where's the media coverage? If you're even at, you know, at this point, it's like, well, where was the media coverage of Canada's? It was all the independence. It was all the, the, the, just the citizen journalists on the ground filming it going, what the heck is going on? And people lost their jobs just for going there. And so it's the culmination of, you know, and on and on it goes.

And now, you know, you can, I mean, I guess I just, it's interesting to hear you walk through it. But I think most people, it was their first hand taste, first hand experience of actually living it out. I'd never lived out any of the stuff you're talking about. Or at least it never affected me here in rural. Alberta and Saskatchewan. Right, right. Well, you know, if we want to take the roots of this even deeper, you know, if we go back to speaking of Germany in the 1930s, one of the very first things the Nazis did when they came

to power was they called up IBM and they said, we need a big database of our entire population. We need to know who's who. And we're particularly interested in who's Jewish. And a lot of these people, they were Jewish by, you know, they don't go to synagogue. They're not like, you know, but they had a Jewish ancestry. And the Germans were upset. It'd be like making a database right now of Christians in Canada.

Pretty much whatever the percentage is, very high, have lineage to Christian backgrounds. There you go. It's very similar. So with the help of IBM, and they even gave Mr. Watson a special medal. Hitler gave it to him personally. Not a proud moment in the history of IBM. But by the way, you can look this up. Great Books have been very.

about it when i'm trying to think edwin black edward black uh really detail he had a huge team of people doing research phenomenal but that they got really interested in that so they built their database now they knew who the jews were and where they lived the next thing they did was this thing called the nuremberg laws where they said you know what if you're jewish can't teach can't be a school teacher anymore can't be a nurse anymore can't be a doctor anymore so they basically pulled out all these people who, you know, were not going to be marching around given this, the Heil Hitler salute. You know, they're independent, intelligent people. They have, you know, the Jewish culture is, you know, like the Chinese culture, reaches very high points of refinement. And so some of the most

intelligent, you know, humanitarian individuals in the society were told, you know, you can't work anymore, at least on a new certain job. So who do you think they replace those doctors, nurses, public health officials, and teachers with? Card carrying Nazi party members. In fact, the profession in Germany during the Hitler Zeit, the Hitler time, that had the highest percentage of card carrying party members, not just people swept up or forced into it, people that were into it, physicians were the most Nazi-fied of the entire, of all the profession, even the military didn't have as many card-carrying percentage-wise. You know, there were guys that were just military guys. You know, they were notis. They were just in the German military. It was their career. But in the physician

arena, there were a lot of card-carrying Nazis. So when it came time to begin their final solution, they had all the doctors and nurses in line. And the reason I bring that up is the Holocaust, and of course many people were murdered by the Nazis. No one talks about the millions of Russian peasants, Jewish and some Russian Orthodox that were mowed down when the Germans went through Russia. I mean, they would gather up a whole village,

put him in the church, set the church on fire. I mean, that's kind of a Holocaust too. So there were a lot of Holocaust going on. But the Holocaust that we think of with the concentration camps began with the medical murder of disabled infants. That was the very first thing they started. And what they did was they paid a bounty to their nurses and doctors and said, let us know when a severely handicapped child is born.

And then they would go to the family and say, hey, you know, we have this great facility and this is going to be very difficult, which is true. It's going to be very difficult for you to take care of this child. We'll take him to this facility and take good care of him or her. And what they did there was they either they murder them by injection or by starvation. So they were just killing these infants. And then they started killing disabled children. And they had five regional centers.

And they would transport. They'd pick the kids up. They used buses. And special buses with the windows blocked out. And they'd pick up the kids, bring them to the camps. or not the camps, but they were extermination centers. And they were killed not by gas initially, by lethal injection. And who administered those lethal injections, doctors and nurses?

And even in the concentration camps and the work camps, and there were many of them. You know, we know about Auschwitz and places like that. Those were conceived initially as slave labor camps. I think Auschwitz was placed where it was, because it was right at the juncture of a massive coal field and a railway transit. The Russians have a different kind of rail gauge than the Germans, and there was like a transfer region, right?

And then you had all this coal, right? And so that was the reason that was put there to put people to work, right? And there were 20,000 of these places, by the way. And they weren't all large. We only know the big brand name ones, right? but there were a lot of them. And every one of them had a medical clinic, right? So if there were 20,000 of them,

how many doctors and nurses were employed by slave labor and extermination camp facilities, right? Tens of thousands. And what were they doing? Well, if you were in the work camp situation, they wanted those people to work, right? So someone would get sick, they would send them to the clinic. And if they didn't think that person could make it

or get healthy enough to go back to work, lethal injection. And then they would falsify the death certificate. Now, interestingly enough, there was a trial called, there were three Nuremberg trials, one for military, one for like economic people, and then one for doctors and nurses. And I think there was only like 28 people on trial. So, you know, we got tens of thousands of people committing this crime and only 28,000 people. And wasn't it only, and wasn't it only six died and it was like another, I have literally

just read Project Paperclip, the book about the doctors and how it wasn't just the U.S. It was a lot of countries, how they slowly just brought all that, all the scientists and studies that they had done on all these people into the United States. Canada, I'm sorry, we're not immune to that. The UK, Russia, on and on and on, it went. Yeah, absolutely. And Canada did it. I had another twist. There was a shorter with labor shortage in the early 50s in Canada. Canada. And so they went and there was labor troubles because, you know, if there's a labor shortage, labor's got an edge and they're going to strike. So they went over to Germany and picked up ex-Nazis to come and be labor strike breakers. And that's how a lot of these Nazis got into Canada, by the way, through that special.

To be labor strike breakers. Yep. And they were and these are, these were Nazi infantry men and Nazi party men. members who were brought to Canada to help regulate and, you know, systematize the way. Where can I find that? Oh, dude. I know it's somewhere. Let me look it up. I have the video. I know it's somewhere. I'm going to have to dig. I got a lot. My problem is, as you can see, I got a lot of stuff in here, you know, and some of it's organized. Some of this is not. But that's not even debatable. Like, it's like a nailed down thing. But let me write it. I would just, yeah, I would

just love for you to send me the article, the video, the, the material where I can read it. Because, you know, like one of the things reading Project Paperclip, Annie Jacobson, folks, was it was a fascinating book, a terrifying, fascinating book, all in the same sense. The thing, you know, she focuses on how the United States, you know, bent the rules and brought all these people over and how a ton of the American population was not on board with it, but they, They just pushed it and kept pushing it. And eventually, you know, under the guise of World War III and going to war with the Russians and all this stuff, just kept bringing more and more of them in. But, you know, one of the things the book fails to point out or, you know, how can you ever fit it in?

You know this as an author. I don't know how she would she have had to have written a 10,000 page book. I don't know. But, you know, like the Russians were doing it. Certainly other, this is, this is a, you know, a world catastrophe, essentially. that one of the the areas of the Germans and the Nazis specifically did all these tests, did like horrific tests on human beings to see how they handled the cold and how they handled going really high up and lack of oxygen and what happened and all these different studies.

And then these people got taken all across the world and got given cushy jobs to essentially give their expertise to different, you know, chemical warfare, you know, NASA, you know, on and on and on, this goes. And, you know, yeah, but if it, when it comes back to Canada and you have the, the material, I just, I just want to see it. I just want to, I just want to read it. And I think a lot of my audience would love to see that as well. You can, Canadians should know, you know, how did these Nazis hear? Yeah, so there, so, you know, the Nazis had very advanced, for instance, rocket technology. they had those V2 rockets and that was that was spade she stuff well that became the backbone of

NASA those guys became the technical backbone yes there were a lot of medical people that were brought over and there's another dimension to this so that we had a Nuremberg trial in um you know obviously in in in after world war two the japanese were doing the same thing but even worse they had um research facilities the size of small cities in Manchuria where they were just, you know, testing everything. I mean, horrible things. Shooting somebody and seeing, you know, how long it took them. I mean, you know, just unhinged stuff, right?

Those guys were hired. They were not prosecuted. The head of that program, the head of the, they called it medical testing. That guy was hired by the United States. He wasn't prosecuted at all. None of those people ever saw a courtroom. They were just picked up and used. Power, right?

This is, you know, power. wants to stay in power and they'll do anything to stay in power and they need every, they feel they need every edge they can get. And one of the edges they wanted to get was all this biological, uh, you know, warfare, uh, stuff. Uh, and that's what, that's what they did. I mean, you just, you just think, uh, you know, we have gone on an absolute tangent here. I feel like, but regardless, you think, uh, the human population when it came to COVID, um, you know, we just didn't stand a chance. Like I, I just, you know, you know, know like I I really mean like I don't see how you know I was I was yelling at top

my lungs yeah but they shut you down or they they eliminated how many people could see you or they you know they they like took away your channel or they they did this and this and this and this and there was so much money spent on propaganda to fill us with such fear that you're just paralyzed you just didn't know which way to go so I'm down like I don't know what you really you know it's like and on top of it they have all these years of where they've done a ton of research on how human beings react to just different things and you go like i don't know it i honestly i don't i don't know what chance we we stood it's it's quite amazing that um as many people stood up as they have you know it's it's it's you know it's almost unthinkable that the

trucker convoy happens without any violence without you know you you you bring up the trans Canada Highway. I drove in that thing all the way, well, for part of it, we called it in Ontario. And like, that's some of the most dangerous highway on the planet. And it was minus 30 with people on both sides of the highways cheering you on. It's just, it's just unthinkable. No deaths. You get there, no violence, other than coming from the RCMP I might add in, you know, coming from our federal government. And you go like, what happened there is as close to an act of God is you're going to get. Like, I mean, it just is amazing at what the people here accomplished against the odds that have been slowly being stacked up against us, you know, for, you know,

Ken, you're pointing out like since the 80s, heck, we might go back to World War II and you go, well, how far are you going to go back before there? And I mean, you know, that's just the rabbit hole. It's pretty amazing. But it shows that this stuff, this kind of thing's been going on a long time. And they've had a lot of chances to get better and better at it. You know, with all the different viruses, hey, we didn't sell that one very well. What do we need to do next? Oh, we need to shut down this aspect of society. You know, so much of what happened during COVID, too, was an absolute coup.

I actually can tell I read a lot. You know, this thing behind me is just the books I'm reading right now. And I have a whole other wall over there. And I have a wall downstairs and I have a storage unit. So I'm like a reading guy. So I've been around, so I've read a fairer of a few of that things. So one of the things I jumped and so one of my interests is coups and government propaganda. I've always been interested in that.

So what do you do when you stage a coup? First thing you do is you go straight to the, you know, this is old school. You go straight to the radio station and you take it over. Yeah, right? What else do you do? You declare a curfew. We don't, you know, obviously people have to go out during the day. you know, buy and make stuff, but at night, don't let them out. You also say groups of more than

five or three or whatever the arbitrary number is cannot be together at the same time. That's a coup strategy. That's a coup strategy. You figure out anybody that's got a voice and you track them down and you eliminate them. That's a coup strategy. I mean, there's all these things that you do in a coup. This thing was a coup. In fact, I did a video at one point. I had the Nazi swastasistic here. I had the hammer and sickle of the Soviets here, and I had the mask in the middle. And I said, this was like in 2020. And I said, tell me, guys, how is this anything other than a coup? And then even if you go way back in history, what's the guy's name?

Anyway, the guy that unified Japan, he was madman. And what did he do? Same thing. He said, you're not allowed to travel from village to village. You have to stay in your village. No one's allowed to be in between villages. And then he said, and the gathering thing, this is, this is 500 years ago. Can't gather in groups.

He then, in those days, the samurai and the village people, the farmers all live together. He said, new law, if you're samurai, you've got to leave the village. You've got to live in a samurai village. Why? You don't want these people comparing notes. You don't want to isolate them. So this kind of thing is, is. definitely been around a long time. And as you as you say, we didn't have a chance. I think that's a

fair statement. And the graphic that I used, and I wish I was more technically adept. It's odd that I've been in this business so long and I can still, I can still not make things work on my own computer. But I have a graphic that I made and it was a B-52 bomber. And I had the front of it, I said, I don't know, medical fraud, science fraud, pharma money was on the, was on the barma. And then the bombs were Fauci's, I'll send you the, maybe I'll send you the graphic. It's, it's a worthwhile graphic. And that came to me pretty early on. And I said, we are the equivalent, our society is the equivalent of Vietnamese farmers.

We're, you know, we're in the Weiss fields. We've got our water buffalo. We're putting in our crop. We're taking care of our families. We're, you know, just taking care of business. And all of a sudden, there's these planes dropping bombs. We don't know where they came from. We don't know who they are.

We don't know anything. Right. And it takes somebody who's been around to say, oh, those came from this airfield. And, you know, they were load. The bombs were made in, you know, Virginia or Pennsylvania somewhere and shipped on a boat to Vietnam. And then they were loaded on the plane and they fueled it up and they put some guys on. And somebody every day gives them a hit list of where they're supposed to drop them and sends them out. And you don't know that when you're just a guy in the field taking care of your life, right?

So I, because of all the stuff I've read and all the stuff I've done and all the stuff I've seen, I know that you can't have an operation of the size unless there's certain moving parts in place. You know, it's not spontaneous. Anything that you see of this nature is absolutely not spontaneous. It's designed, which brings me to what happened in the hospitals, if we, you know, taking this full circle. This protocol made no sense. We're not going to give them anti-inflammatories. We're going to escalate them onto a bipap, which is an extremely uncomfortable machine.

And that won't work because it will make them distressed. And then we'll tell them, hey, you need it. You need to be vented. Then we'll vent them. We'll give them this remdizivir thing. Oh, the remdivir link. And where and when was the red? Okay, okay.

This is how it's all started. Here we go. Here we go. One of the things that Fouchy did, it's all, see, this is, like I said, if you're going to commit a crime, make sure it is incredibly complicated. Okay. So once Fauci, it does go back to AIDS. You'll see how.

Once Fauci declared that it was a virus and there is no other discussion allowed, then there was a gold rush of drug development. And what were the drugs intended to do? They were intended to interrupt the replication of DNA, right? The idea that, hey, if it's a virus and it's replicating, let's stop the replication. Now, what they're missing is if you can't pinpoint stop replication, it's going to affect other tissues and other organs, which is why all these, which is why AZT was a disaster, which is why Rhemedisivir is a disaster. They're based on an insane model. It's like, okay, you've got a, let's see, I'm trying to think of an example. You want to warm your house. Well, let's set a huge bonfire in the living room. That'll warm it. Yeah, it will warm it. It'll burn the house.

us down too. I mean, the science and the medicine is literally that lunatic, and yet it's very lucrative. Gilead, here we're finally getting to the point. Gilead, who makes remdissevere is the one that makes this huge rack of bogus AIDS drugs that Fouchy's been promoting for the last decades. And they all make money. And they make money for Fauci. Here's how. We, the taxpayer, have the money extracted from us. goes to NIH. NIH hires all its scientists out there as contract scientists to do research. The drug companies get this research for free,

develop the drug, but as a part of a deal, they pay a royalty back to NIH to help fund NIH. And it's like, yeah, the good works. Not only does the money go to, not only is there a royalty stream to NIH, individual employees of NIH are allowed to tap into and receive part of that royalty stream. Do you see this system?

Now, one of Gilead's greatest hits is a drug called Truvada, which is an AIDS drug, but it's a weird AIDS drug. Because instead of treating somebody who has HIV, the theory is we'll give them Truvada for life to help them from getting HIV in the first place. So they're telling the whole generation, this is off radar unless you've studied or you know people in that world or whatever. They're telling a whole new young generation of young gay people. You're at risk for AIDS.

Why? Just because. Because you're gay, right? It has anything to do with how they're actually living or what they're actually doing? Just by, I mean, which is, it's not racist. I don't know what you'd call it, but it's on the ground. It's like racism, right? Just because you're gay, you're at risk. And we care about you so much

that we've come up with Truvada. Just take it every day or whenever it is every week or I don't know what the dosage is. And for the rest of your life, by the way, or as long as you're sexually active, and this will help you prevent AIDS. And Gilead makes that. And that drug generates $28 million a year in royalties to NIH. And I don't know because I don't have a research staff of a thousand. if that particular drug is also being paid out to individual employees at NIH. But the point is, Gilead has a rack of AIDS drugs that they've developed with the help of Fauci's funding. And it's all being kicked back to NIH. And we know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that there are NIH people, including Fauci, that do receive royalties.

But when brought to a congressional hearing in the United States and asked by senators, what are you getting? We want to see what individuals are getting the money from these drug companies. Fauci flat out told him no. And to this day, and where are we? We were September, excuse me, January 17th, 2024. That's still a state secret. We don't know what individuals are getting money from Gilead, the maker of Remdizivir.

That's why the way Remdesivir came to be is they tried it for Ebola. Didn't work. But if you remember the Ebola news, they were always talking about how this virus caused incredible, organ damage, which is really weird, right? But maybe it's true. But we know remdysivir causes organ damage, and we don't have to be scientists, doctors, or investigative journalists to know that. We just read the sheet that they give you with the drug. And one of the adverse reactions is organ damage. So it's very possible that a lot of that organ damage that happened in Africa that

was attributed to Ebola was actually caused by the rindisivir that they were giving the patients. But in any event, they stopped doing rindisivir until COVID came around. around Gilead's COVID, Gilead that's paying royalties to NIH and possibly directly to Anthony Fauci, Gilead who Anthony Fauci has been working with for decades to develop these bogus AIDS drugs, Remdivir suddenly comes out of the closet, and it's like, after six weeks of testing, they determined that it was the cure for age, for, excuse me, the cure for COVID, and that there would be no other cure.

I have the video of Fauci in the Oval Office saying these exact words. We've got it. We need to do a few little more tests, but we know the numbers are. The numbers might change, but the conclusions won't. And this is it. So that's why we have remdivir because Gilead makes it. And Gileas connected to Fauci at the hip financially for decades, not just the last month or a couple of years. So would they put out a drug that actually doesn't help and actually damages people's organs?

Well, go back 40 years and look at 80. They took a drug that was banned and damages people severely, and they, through emergency youth authorization, after terrorizing, dropping info bombs on people night and day, people lost their judgment and raced to the, race to the so-called solution. Now, people are showing up at the hospitals. Some of them have genuine respiratory distress. Some of them have asthma. Some of them have emphysema.

Some of them have amphysema. of them have a panic attack. There's a really sad story in this book. A young man in his 30s had a panic attack. One of the characteristics of a panic attack is you're having trouble breathing. They intubated him and they killed him. He didn't have pneumonia. He didn't have COVID. He didn't have anything except the panic attack probably induced by the fact that 24-7 they were telling him if you get a sniffle is probably COVID. If you've got COVID, you're going to die. Right? So a lot of people were treated. So here's the legalistic thing. Once they did that swab and could declare you a COVID patient, now you're in an alternate

universe where only the co-all medicine, all previous medicine, all previous science, all previous common sense, all previous observation went out the window. And you, if you were in a hospital in a COVID ward, you had to follow that protocol, period. it. When did they start? Do you know the date of Rendezvier coming in? April, April 2020. It was really early. Man, for some reason, I thought it was after, like, I thought it was later than that. Oh, no, they were, they were, and just so everybody knows, Remdesivir is a bag, and it goes in intravenously via a tube, right? And now, now, so much to this, part I didn't talk about is not only did they create this crazy, unprecedented, unscientific, deadly protocol.

They incentivized it. So you got, so hospitals got paid for giving remdivir. This is an American thing, correct? Yeah, this is US because we have, because one of the things we should decipher here, Ken, is like Canada doesn't operate the same way as,

as the states, right? Because I'm like, don't you, like, I want to say, like, if you marked COVID on, on, like, a patient's chart, for how many COVID patients you were you were had housed at your hospital, etc. Right. And it was funding that was granted that way.

And forgive me, folks, on this side, you know, I go in Canada, I actually don't know how the funding worked if we had anything similar to that in Canada. Well, you know, who know, that's, you know, every country is different. And I did interview. There are two Canadian nurses in this, in this book, too. So they give the Canadian perspective. But I'm going to take, I'm going to take a stab and say, They're the Canadian frontline nurses, I'm going to assume.

Yes, they are. Kristen Nagel and Sarah. Sarah, yes. Yeah, greatly. And by the way, I have to say, one of the greatest pleasures of my life was meeting these nurses and talking with them. Courageous, intelligent, high integrity, brave, true, genuine humanitarian. And they're not patting themselves on the back about anything. They just did what they needed, what they needed.

to do. But so in the states, they did incentivize if you could get a positive test out of somebody, the cash register would ring just based on that. If you hospitalized somebody who had COVID because of the legalistic definition, you got another bonus. If you gave them a remdizivir treatment, you got paid. If you gave them a course of remdizivir, this is where it gets sinister. This is now multiple bags. You got an extra bonus. There were people that went into the hospital that were given multiple courses of rindisivir because the cash register rang every time they did that not because of medical reasons even even if you go with their bullshit theory that it well it does it's not that part is not bullshit it actually does stop the replication of genetic

material in the body it really does do that but viruses come they run their course and then it creates an inflammatory state which can catch fire. So like if you're healthy, you know, it'll flare up and then your body, you know, deals with it. If you have a pre-consisting, pre-existing condition, you're weakened for some reason. Maybe that inflammation doesn't stop and the house catches fire, right? So the theory is we're going to stop the virus in his tracks. What's not technically, the virus is the problem, it's the body's reaction. It's the inflammatory process that gets out of control. So it didn't even make sense using their crazy logic to give remdesivir, let alone give somebody multiple courses of it.

The only reason they did it was to make the cash register ring. Now, the next cash register gets wrong when they intubate and ventilate a person. That means, like I said, sticking pipes down their throat. Now, obviously, nobody wants a pipe down their throat, so you have to incapacitate them, and you do that in the same way you put somebody under for surgery. Except surgery, you know, ideally, they're down, they're up, they're out. on event you might be on for days weeks or months you know so you have to have all kinds of again drips you have to have analgesics pain killers including fentanyl this was one of the drugs these

these vented patients were given you need anti-paralytic this like makes keeps you from moving you need um oh what something to knock you need drugs to knock you out so you could have between five and 12 different bags of drugs being dripped into your body at any given time cash register's ringing for that. But they did something that shows you the sinisterness of this. They not only paid you to put people on vents. And one of the nurses said in America, the U.S., soon as somebody was off a vent, they put another person on.

Those vent machines were never empty because they were getting paid every time they put somebody on event. And as I said, if you remember way back, they put a lot of people on just a lot of people who had no business being on an event at all. And just putting somebody at event, you're increasing the odds they're going to die. It's a last ditch effort. It's like we've exhausted everything for real. This guy's going to die unless he gets some oxygen.

His diaphragm can't even work. He's got fluid in his lungs. We just got to do it. And we know we might kill him in the process, but he is definitely going to die. But they were taking minor cases and acting as if they were in that state. So here's the real sinister part. They not only paid them to put people on vents, if you kept somebody on a vent for 96 hours or more, for 96 hours or more, you'd get another bonus.

Now, one of the people that I talked with in the book is a respiratory therapist of 23 years of experience, stellar record. So he knows the business. And he said, look, when we vent somebody, we don't do it lightly. It's the last, last ditch effort. and the very next day we're testing to see if we can get them off the vent. And the reason for that is the longer somebody's on a vent, they have a greater risk of getting infection. They're also immobile. I mean, take a healthy person and immobilize them for five days.

They're going to be a wreck after five days because they're not moving around getting their fluids going. Also, we're pumping all these drugs into them to keep them paralyzed, to keep them under the, you know, to deal with the pain and all that. So we want to get them off the vent as soon as it's feasible. So every day we test, the incentivizer said, hey, you know what, just keep it on for 96 hours and we'll give you a big payday. The other catastrophe is they had all these contract doctors and nurses. I don't know how Canada did handle this, but in the, and I know this about Canada in all countries. If you're a doctor in Bangladesh or a doctor in Sri Lanka or wherever, you can't just get on a plane. and come to Canada or the United States and start practicing medicine.

You may be the most distinguished doctor of your specialty on the planet, but until you pass all the hoops, which is a good, it's a good system. Under COVID, of course, they changed the law. Any guy who claimed to have an ND, and I'd love to have a team, or I could see how many of these guys weren't even doctors, anybody from another country who could claim to have an MD, who could fog a mirror, was hired. And it didn't matter if they had any ICU experience,

at all. They could have been pediatrists. They could have been gynaecologists. They were put in an ICU to supervise vented patients. This is insanity. This is like, hey, I have a little Piper Cupp, you know, a Piper Cub plane and I fly from, I guess people do that in Canada because how do you get from one place to another if you're really, right? You know, I got to fly to the mine up in northern Alberta, right? There's no road. So a lot of people are flying around a little plane. So everybody knows what I'm talking about. You would never put that pilot in charge. charge of a 747. You wouldn't say, hey, try flying this one to London. No training, no education, no experience. I flown a plane. So they were putting doctors in charge of vented patients,

which is a very, you know, very technical, specific thing who had no experience. On the nursing side, they were putting nurses in the ICUs who not only didn't have ICU experience. Some of them hadn't even gotten their degrees yet. But the law in New York at least said anybody who's got anything can come in. The way they sold it is, this is apocalypse.

Right, right. The world, we need every, you go, you'd never have a Bush pilot fly 747. I go, yes, I would. If I, if the mountain was erupting and we needed to get on that plane, that's the only plane we got. Like, dude, you know what you got a license? Get in there and let's figure this out.

Exactly. And you go, you, you're pumping up the hysteria and what better way, you know, when you, so when you take a 10,000 foot view, which I mean, you've kind of done with the book, right? You've taken this 30,000 foot view, whatever view you want. Especially with the two books, because you see the foundation. Right. You take a step back and you go, it was just about money then. What they wanted to do was cause so much hysteria that everybody would go on to their vaccine

and there would be, and the Rendsivir for sure in the short term, but overall they wanted the vaccine. This is a big, big money, big industry. They get all these customers coming through the door and they pump this hysteria and up through the roof it goes and they shut down everybody and you go, that's what this is about. If I were to just wrap it up in a nice bow,

I'm just paraphrasing. I don't know, Ken, if that's what you would say. Well, I mean, that's the sequence. You know, until I have smoke, you know, everything I have in my books, I've got smoking guns for. But, you know, if, if let's let's say I see a house on fire, right? And, and, and, and, and I see a guy walking away with a torch and a can of gasoline, right? And he's been paid to do that. He somehow, he benefits from that house burning down massively.

I think maybe that guy set the house on fire, right? So that's where we are with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, at it's it's so you know and i and i and i come back to this point every time i get to this point and i just go it's so hard for me to fathom there's a human being that is that callous with other human beings like in callous probably isn't a strong enough word you know it's just like it's unbelievable right it's just like how can someone how can anyone how can an industry but they deal with human beings on a daily basis and most of us don't i mean we deal with one another but not in life or death right i mean that and that's part of part of i mean and fouchy's no doctor he's got an

md but you know he might have seen three patients once in his life you know but he's he's a bureaucrat plain and simple but it is true there is a certain amount of uh professional uh objectivity uh distance uh you could even say callousness not not because i mean certain people they are callous you know Some doctors and nurses are just, they are callous individuals. But you see so much trauma, so much death, so much, I mean, just in the normal course of your, of doing your practice. And sometimes it's on you to keep somebody alive. And you do everything you can, and it doesn't work.

And you've got to live with that, you know. So you have to sort of, so there is sort of a stealing that people have to do, you know, to just go to work every day and stay sane and deal with. So we have to give the doctors and the nurses all of them some slack. However, once it became, and I will also give them slack in the early weeks because they were, though they should have known better. I mean, they are educated. They should have known that the whole thing was fishy. But, but, you know, there was, it was a saturation bombing campaign that ran night and day, and it was pure terror all the time. And any, you said, any disson.

dissenting voice was shut down. So I could see, you know, once you push that fear button and somebody's in the fear mode, okay, I get it. So they show up at work. They're told this is the moment. And some of these people we have to really say, wow, they thought when they went into the ICU to help that they were facing the most deadly disease of all time for which there was no cure. Well, and, and in fairness, I just had on Scott Marsland. He's a leading edge clinic with Pierre Corey. And he was an ICU nurse in New York at the beginning. he's double-vaxed. He's had a vaccine injury.

Now he treats people with vaccine injuries and on and on. His eyes are very open. And he'll say, and I'm paraphrasing, and maybe I'll send you the episode so you can listen to it and see what your thoughts are. But he'll say, like, that first group of people that came through, he's never seen anything like it in his life. And yet, in the same breath,

or maybe not the same breath, but certainly in the same line of thinking, when Ivermectin is introduced, he'll show that somebody's not feeling good. They're giving it, and it's like a magic drug. So that's what pulls him out of like, but he'll still sit there and go, something was very off at the very start of it.

Yeah, I mean, yes, and I've heard that from the respiratory therapist in the book. He's very clear on that, that there were some characteristics of this thing that were unique. However, interestingly enough, the nurses who had been around weren't phased. They're like, okay, it's another one. And it has an inflammation component. It has a respiratory distress component.

We know we can give them an anti-inflammatory. Like, there was no science. And that's what I got to with Scott, right? the thing is, is like you have all these nurses in there, and then they're told not to do what they know what to do. Right. What would that look like seeing people die that way? Probably not good.

And here's the chilling reality, and I almost didn't want to get this number. I mean, literally, a lot of stuff I can look at, but certain stuff I just don't want to know, you know. I asked, how many nurses and doctors just flat out went along with this? was it like 90% and they said oh yeah it was was it more than 90% he said yeah it was way more than so it looks like maybe about 1% of the doctors and nurses said no way am I doing this and again I can understand the first weeks it's like there's been all this propaganda all this terror and you know they tell you to give them room to disappear they tell you to vent them but then you You know, then you see people dying who maybe you're like,

this guy was okay. I gave him rindisivir and now his organs are failing. You know, once that happens three or four times, it's time to get a clue. And there were a lot of them that, no, there was in a, no, not only did somebody, remember, somebody planned this protocol out and disseminated it, right? And they said, let's have a protocol that doesn't deal with inflammation, doesn't give them steroids, rushes them to intubation, puts them on rem disavir first, rushes them intubation, incentivizes the whole thing, but they added another piece.

They added an enforcement piece with an iron fist. Anybody that said a word about any of this stuff was first disciplined, then demoted. I mean, we had one nurse who actually knows how to intubate patients because she does, well, like, again, going back to the airplane thing, what if a bunch of guys in a mine, you know, 500 miles from the nearest small town have an accident? You've got to fly people in to treat them on the spot. And you're not going to have all the equipment you need. you're not going to have all the people you need.

So you need some samurai nurses that really know their stuff. So they had one of the nurses in the book is that level nurse. She was helping in the ICU's. And she had certain points that I'm not hanging in a remdivir bag on this patient. No way. There's no reason for it. And she was taken off the ICU where she was desperately needed because she was one of the only experienced hands and put in a room with seven other nurses who were basically punished and just sent to do nothing.

Then they fired her. So the problem here is that they persisted, the bad ones, not the bad ones, the ones that didn't get it. You know, it's a hierarchy. And like all organizations, there needs to be, they have to have a hierarchy. If it's even on a basketball team or a hockey, I guess you use hockey or a curling, curling team. You know, you need a coach, you need a captain. You know, but ideally those people are sane and not exploitative. So, but we're wired as human beings to be cooperative, to not submit to authority,

but to, to listen to authority because, you know, you got, you know, I don't, I'm not an authority on a million things. I depend on authorities. So we're wired for that. But what's disturbing is so many doctors and so many nurses just went for the authority. and didn't look at what was happening in front of their own eyes and just kept persisting. And a tiny percentage did and their reward for speaking up. And now nurses are in the United States at least are required.

It's a part of their profession. It's part of their professional oath that they have to advocate for their patients. If a doctor is making a mistake and we all make mistakes, they have to catch the mistake. If a patient's not being treated well by other, by other, uh, team members, they have to stand up. That's their actual oath. The nurses that I interviewed honored that oath. Yeah.

Okay. But the majority did not. Well, the majority not of just nurses of people in general did not. Right, right. Doctors, scientists. Just everyday people. They saw what was going on and knew it was wrong and they didn't stand up. They knew it went against some inner code.

They knew that you can't treat human beings certain ways. They just went silent. It isn't, you know, certainly the boots on the ground when you go to the people seeing it firsthand would have been the doctors, the nurses right in front of them. But there's a lot of people that had, you know, I don't know, these things called politicians, right? There's a lot of people out there that had opportunities to stand up and really didn't. Yeah. And then, you know, the doctors and nurses could have shut this down. I mean, they could have said, whoa, this remdesivir, I don't know, this is terrible.

And what do you mean? I can't give ibuprofen to someone with inflammation. And why are you pushing people to vets? We've never done that in the entire history of medicine. They could have stopped it. And they were the ones that saw it. And remember, this is the other important thing. And I know this was true in Canada.

This was a black box. Like a patient went in and nobody can see them. You know, parents, relatives, spouses, children. this was all happening in the dark. And the only people that knew it was happening were the doctors and the nurses on the level of the hospital. Now, when we talk about COVID deaths in the United States alone, over a million people, I think it was one. We're hoping you don't have COVID there, showing you okay. I got a comment.

Remember how that was? We all, we like, you know, we sneeze. We go, it's not COVID. Even I was doing that because people were so freaked out. I'd have to say, sorry, my joke threw me off. Oh, well, in any event, they can. Ken, where can people find your work? Like, if they want to buy the books, where do they go?

Okay. I made it really simple. Go to what the nurses saw.com. And we have the ordering where you can get it. We also have a lot of extra material that I couldn't fit in the book. and we're adding to it all the time, what the nurses saw.com. And what if they want to get the first part about Fauci? Is that, can they?

That's at Fauci's firstfraud.com. Fauci's firstfraud.com. And we also have the movie, the original movie, I didn't even mention this. I released the movie in August of 2020 where I explain all these things about how COVID is just a repeat of. of AIDS. So you can see the film, you can get the book. Oh, but the thing, oh, here's the thing I want to say. This is probably good that we, because this is really the takeaway. In the United States, over a million people are upset to have died of COVID. Over a million. Ninety-two percent of

them died in the hospital. We don't know what percentage of those people were put on multiple courses of remdesivir when it wasn't cold for. We don't know how many people got a full-blown problem because they were denied basic anti-inflammatories. We don't know how many people died who were put on vents, who never should have been put on vents. It might be hundreds of thousands of people. And so I'm working with a group called medical justice, Minnesota.org, and this is sort of the second phase, which is to start looking at the hospital records of individual patients and see, because the one good thing about these devils is they mark everything down. Some of these records are two, three, four thousand pages, five thousand, six thousand.

Why? Because they want to get billed for every breath they take. So every procedure is written down because it's a billable event. But they also have to write down, why did we do that procedure? You can't just do procedures on people willy-nilly. You have to say, we did a blood test, we looked at their CO2 gas level in their blood. Oh, it was over 80, timed event. There's a lot of smoking guns, and those smoking guns can be found in the hospital records. And you were saying something about this could be a 10,000-page book.

I mean, this requires something as serious as the Warren Commission after Kennedy was shot. This requires something as serious as the challenger. I don't know if you were a kid when the challenger? You're probably just a little kid. But we had this thing blow up and that was supposed to make it to space and just blew up. Well, here in Canada, a guy that you would probably enjoy chatting with would be Ken Driesdale. He did the 89-page forensic audit on COVID-19, and then was one of the commissioners of the National Citizens Inquiry that went across all of Canada interviewing people who are harmed journalists, lawyers, scientists, academics, like you just name it. and he was just on this past week.

I can send you that interview as well. That way you can feel out what I mean. Because I mean, like here in Canada, and I agree with Ken. I don't know if I've heard of it in any other country where a group of people have put on an inquiry about COVID and went across a country interviewing people and with brilliant people. And then some people with just horrific stories, it's for any Canadian, if they haven't tuned in, to at least some of it, if not all of it. It's a lot.

Like, I mean, this is why I say 10,000 page book. It's like there's, you know, sitting here on the podcast, some days I go, oh, yeah, I'm past COVID. I'm, you know, not that I'm actively. And then I get these, this string of interviews, folks over the past like week. And I'm like, nope, we are definitely not past COVID by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah. And there's just so much of the story.

And everyone has their part to the story they can add. That's the, the, like, crazy thing about the size. and scale of this. Appreciate you hop it on. And I want to do one final question here. I want to do it on Substack. And for the listener, I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask Ken about his conference. Everybody knows that I've been talking a lot about putting on a conference in April.

So we're going to take a pause. We're going to flip over to Substack. I'm going to switch the topic slightly for a couple minutes before I like Ken out of here. but I hope everybody will come along with us over to Substack. So, Ken, give me a moment here and then we'll start up on Substack.