Shaun Newman Podcast - #580 - Dave Collum

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

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I'm talking about Dave Collum. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Shoddenhamam podcast today. I'm joined by Dave Collum. So thank you, sir, for hopping on. I'm thrilled to be here. Now, like I was saying, you before we started, I've got several older brothers,

and we pay attention to your work on Twitter usually, you know, and I've listened to you and John Cullen actually once or twice maybe. Maybe I've listened to you a couple times now. There's two. Yeah, I think I've listened to both of them, if memory serves me, correct? Anyways, I know who you are,

but I'm going to assume there's a huge chunk of my audience that's never heard of you. So maybe we could just start with who's Dave, and you can go for as long or as short as you want, sir. Well, so of interest to you, every Saturday morning I get together with a bunch of former D1 hockey players and just drink coffee and chew the fat. So I know the hockey world pretty, pretty good. So, well, I'm a professor of chemistry at Cornell. I have a bit of a sort of a

rogue professional life in the sense that I started out as a genetics major intending to go to med school and then at the last minute switched over to organic chemistry and went to grad school of Columbia. I got my PhD in 1980 and then and then I almost immediately sort of switched fields again, a subfield. So I'm still an organic chemist, but I went from one area to another, which was high risk, it turns out. I was confident that it could be done, but I wasn't confident I'd be able to do it and survived and had some sort of near-death experiences. And then I'm in a field this very complicated, it's a surgenyl lithium chemistry, and what it does for me in the non-chemistry world is that the complexity sort of plays favorably into what I like to play around with and think

about. The other thing is that through the last 40 years, I don't think I published a paper without showing someone's full of crap. And some dramatic examples where the entire world thought X and it was actually Y, you know, and it just came down to if you do the careful studies, you find out they had it wrong. And these are guys who are trying to get it right. So when I run into topics like one of your past topics of focusing on COVID, you've got a whole community who's trying to get it wrong. So I, so that was interesting. So in any event, so what the chemistry does for me is I can look at a dozen credentialed experts who all agree. and say, I think you're wrong because I somehow develop that, that belief that credential experts can,

even if they're trying to get a right, can be dead wrong. And then so I'm very rogue and renegade. There's no topic that's off limits, although I'm very careful about Israel, Palestine. I avoid right and wrong. I'll talk about the risks and things like that, but I won't say the Israelis are the good guys or the bad guys. Whereas in Ukraine, I flat out planted a flag and made it a hill to die on it, said, it said NATO's wrong, Putin's right on this one. And that was when the cool kids were not saying it.

I think there's more people who realize that now. But at the end of 2022, I wrote about how, if you actually look at the data, Putin did what he had to do. When you mention going through people's papers and going, this is wrong. Well, usually I actually don't conclude it's wrong going through their papers. Usually we do the studies. Then they go, wait a minute. Those are not consistent. So what's the first one where you look back and you're like, yeah, that one right there.

Maybe it surprised you. Maybe you just like, wait, but the world thinks this. Well, there's some, I mean, it's kind of stepwise. So, you know, we did some careful studies when we first started studying. So I went from synthetic organic chemistry, which is how to make. things to physical organic chemistry, which is how to understand things. And it is the understanding where if you dig in, you just discover that if no one's dug in, it's probably going to turn out to be wrong. So people misquote Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor basically says that you can't

make a complex model when the data is consists of a simple model. So it basically says don't over-interpret secure data. And so if you collect two data points, you can draw a line. That's about it. People misquote Occam's razor and say that the most simple solution is the most likely. And that's just crap. I mean, that's 100% crap. So if that was really Occam's Razor, he should be flushed down the toilet of science. Our experience is that the most simple answer is almost never the case, except in one instance I remember vividly where back in 1933, some guys proposed an idea and then over the next century essentially people revised it and made it very complicated and we studied and said no those guys in 1933 had a dead right it is that simple so so

so in that sense or got it wrong again but it was because they over they introduced complexity but what what if you don't mind me what 1933 what what was so simple that they got right well it turns out pharma pharmaceutical my work connects with pharma. One of the things that people didn't understand when I switched fields and I didn't understand either. So when I went into the physical organic, mechanistic organic chemistry, it's a pretty abstract field. And I had people who were confident I was going to fail. Some were Chadenfreude and some with some with concern. I had a colleague say, why don't you wait until I have to get tenure? And I said, well, because if I, if I'm, if I'm

If my package is not that interesting and I come up for tenure, you're not going to care that I had better ideas. And if you get wind of the fact that I'm pulling back to get tenure, you should fire me. So I'm paid as an assistant professor to take risks. And so in any event, so we dug into some stuff and just found that people had blown some things early on. But then when we started actually looking into tail, it turns out lithium salts form complex aggregates. Very complicated. So they don't just sit in solution as a salt. They do things. They form cubes and clusters. And it causes great complexity. And so we figured out how to untangle that. There were others working on it, but I think we got the best systems going. And then when you did,

you discovered that those things were of huge consequence. Here's a way to sell it. We figured out how to study salvation. Now, salvation is just solvent molecules that dissolve things. Waters is a solvent. Gasolines a solvent is, you know, pumping out of it. So whenever you're run an organic chemistry reaction, it's in a solvent, right? You dissolve up everything and you stir it, you boil it, then you isolate something important that Pfizer might care about. No one had figured out how to study salvation, in my opinion. It really was just a dark art. And we figured out how to study salvation in the problem. We could say there are three solvent molecules stuck to this.

There are another one coming in as the reaction occurs. So we were talking about solvent, a very molecular way. And so the funny thing is, I think we've really shown how much you can learn doing that and affect how other people do chemistry. No one is following in my footsteps. I'm not the Pied Piper. And I think it's because other people look and say, well, that's really interesting, but that's harder than shit.

I'm not touching it or something. I don't know. So here's what happened to me. So after surviving near-death experience of trying to get funded when I was really swimming against the current and people say, you know, why do we need this? Why do we need that? I finally broke through there. And then I went on an unbelievable wind streak of 21 straight federal grants in a row getting

funded. And if the probability is usually about one in five, so I'd be to do a quick arithmetic, you discover that that's like something like one in 10 to the 13th probability of getting funded, 21 in a row. I went on a streak in a journal. It's an elite journal of 55 in a row, and that's one and 10 to the 28th. I mean, that's a number of water molecules in a swimming pool or something. I mean, that's a very big number. And so we survived. and then thrived. And then two things happened that made a huge difference. One is the pharmaceutical industry, which were intrigued by what we were doing.

They used to say we can't use fancy chemistry because they would make up some argument how you can't make it on plant scale. You might have to make 5,000 kilograms at a time. And therefore, we can't use sophisticated complex chemistry. And then something happened culturally where they said, wait a minute. We're testing all these drugs for efficacy, and we're getting maybe 10 leads. And of those 10 leads, we'll have to make a kilogram, a couple of pounds of each to chub them into soccer moms and find out if they die sort of thing. And only one in 10 are going to survive that protocol. Therefore, we shouldn't worry about how hard they are to make.

We should worry about it. What's the fastest way to make the 10 to get to the one? And there's a couple things that happen. One is, first of all, we shipped it out to China, right? We said, okay, we need a kilogram, some Chinese lab, boom, they bang it out. No environmental restrictions to achieve, you know. The other turns out is they use sophisticated chemistry. They said, well, to make a kilogram, we can definitely use that chemistry.

Then once you make a kilogram with you, say, well, fuck, we can scale that up. We can do that on plant scale. So chemistry got more sophisticated and helps them the sort of pharma moved in on top of what we were studying. And what we study is very important reagents, very important things. It turns out they use them all the time. One of the things we became the world's expert at turns out to be the most important. Statistically, you can show it by surveying the literature. It's the most important organic reagent in the world. No one knew anything about it. No one understood it. So there is a justification for it. So in any event, the second thing that happened was

the microchip. And that is that we do what's called kinetics where you study how the rates of reactions, how they proceed and you study if there's some reaction that goes through some intermediate that maybe forms and then goes away again. There's just complex issues. And it turns out with the invention of the microchip and the laptop, all of a sudden, pharma had computers hooked to every vessel. So you had computers collecting data on every reaction they were running.

And it turns out, that's kinetics. So there was a handful of us in the world doing kinetics because it was considered out of favor. And all of a sudden, next thing I know I'm teaching short courses inside pharmaceutical process groups and how to do kinetics because they were totally unprepared to have all this data flowing at them. How do you process the data? How do you tease information out of that real-time data? And so between those two, things work pretty well. There's more famous people than me. There's very few who are more infamous than me.

And so that kind of gets at the question of what I was scientifically. And I also, I'm very intuitive. I'm not mathematical, even though the field's mathematical. I do think through sort of gut-level instinct more than rigorous. thought. And I like to ask colleagues, you know, what famous scientists most remind you of you? And of course, they're famous. None do because they're phenomenal historical legends. But mine is very clearly Einstein. And the reason is is because Einstein would think in these real world contracts. Like he'd say, imagine you're traveling on a train and the speed of light.

What would happen, you know? And he would think through and he'd go, ah, this epiphany. And then he sort of backfill it with the rig. So he would think of something really clever. Imagine himself, you know, running it, you know, with a two by four through a barn and it's going to speed of light. You can do a nine foot two by four through an eight inch eight foot barn and it would somehow go through. Okay. And and I sort of do that. I sort of figure out in a very qualitative sense instinctively what's going on and then and then go find a physicist to do the math if I have to or migrate. students or something. But I never had calculus. So, and I had to take gradual level physics when I was at Columbia with no calculus. That was, that was a third trimester course right there. That was a disaster. Forgive me. Maybe you said the answer, but I'm going to, I'm going to ask it again because I'm

just, you mentioned, you know, that most of the time it isn't the simple answer. It's actually way more complex than that. Always. 1933, you've said they figured out something that was very simple and it was true. What was that? Oh, I didn't say the answer. I got distracted. So the reagents we use are lithium-based reagents. They're very reactive.

Watch a Tesla burn, right? Lithium really goes. Lithium has some real heat to it. But they're sophisticated, complicated molecules. So it turns out that one of the ways to transform a molecule, one of the most common molecules are what are called benzene, which are these six-membered rings with, and they're very stable. And one of the most important transformations you'll find inside pharma is to find a way to put

a functional group on that. And so you might start with something that's simple, and then you throw in a reagent that allows you to put another substituent on it. And then you go around the ring and you add stuff as you need it. And the reagents we study are those sort of reagents. And so they're very, very strong bases. They react violently with water and react violently with oxygen. And these guys back in 1933 figured out how to do it in a simple case.

And they came up with a simple model as to why it worked in that case. And then people came up with fancier models, which, again, I got to the point where intuitively I said, wait a minute, your fancy models don't make sense. but we also a lot of times we study something and it leads us to an answer and I go I wouldn't have thought of that but it makes total sense now that you've given me the answer right which you get from just studying it so so it's not a piff I don't have great insights at the start my insights come at the end well when you when you I appreciate it's not that I understand I just find like simplicity you know is is uh well at times we overcomplicate things i just i look at um i mean you you mentioned

einstein right and and and imagine you're traveling at speed of light i will give Einstein imagine you're in 2024 right and uh we think men can be women and and we're going to allow them to compete in all these sports and then imagine right i i'm sure you have an opinion on that oh i i certainly do as a cornell faculty member I've got to be a rare breed. I coached two collegiate sports, too. Do you? What do you coach?

I did. I did. I did. Years ago. I was a head coach at gymnastics, and I was a pretty low-level assistant coach, Taekwendo. Played lacrosse in high school.

Okay. For things like that. But, you know, there can't be too many double sport coaching faculty members. I would think that would be rare. Yeah, the women in sports thing is absurd. Well, I mean, just if you're if you're talking about 20-24, you know, for the listener, you know, you can go to Dave's Twitter, right at the top you have it pinned your year in review.

You can go back and read through what your thoughts on, uh, 2023. I look at 2024 and I look at the year that this could turn out to be. You know, it was just, uh, what, this past week, the, the, I don't even know, the biological male. Is that what we're calling it now? I don't know.

The male competing in the, the, whatever league it is for, so I was going to write about it and write about it viciously. Yeah. But I ran out of time. So I'm actually writing an addendum, which is on an even trickier topic. What's a trickier topic? Oh, child trafficking. Why is that a trickier topic?

Well, for one thing, I don't want to get killed. Fair point. The other thing is, here's a great example of why it's tricky. I've been fishing around. It turns out it's a huge problem. Child trafficking is a huge problem. Enormous, enormous. It's like gargantuan.

A million to 10 million kids a year disappear globally. A million to 10 million. Where'd they go? You can't answer that question. You know, you can see little tiny shards of information about how they'll pick up a dozen kids from some house somewhere and save them. The numbers are all over the place, but there's all sorts of official numbers like UNICEF and FBI and CIA

and various organizations in charge of trying to stop trafficking, which I think means they're grifting, as my guess. But the numbers are anywhere from, you know, in the U.S., 300,000, 800,000 kids, but I think that number is too high. I don't think snarping up kids in the United States is that easy. I think if you're going to grab kids, you're going to grab them from a foreign country. And there's people who are fighting this fight, but I can't tell. Separating fact from fiction is very hard. So I'm pretty sure that child trafficking is very, very large. The evidence points to that.

But then you're into the weeds very, very quickly. What do you need a million children for? So where it got tricky for me was the other day I clicked the site, boom, up total, total child porn site. This was a trafficking site. These were kids having sex. And I go, holy fuck, got to get out of here. You're the first person I'm telling, actually.

And I'm sort of saying it to go on record that I know I hit it. But then I think about it to, A, could someone use that against me? I just told them that it happened. So in theory. B, did it get slipped to me? Could someone, I've been doing podcasts and talking about this. And could someone have slipped it in there to sabotage me? You just don't know.

But the traffic. So I was on a podcast last week with a guy who's basically Department of Defense CIA equivalent. So it's intelligence caseworker from the Department of Defense. He's a lieutenant colonel by name. Turns out he never actually went through the ranks. They just handed him that title. And he was in Afghanistan in various places through the years. And he's a bit of a rogue, which he was in our doctor, Zoom group.

And at the very end, you know, I'm asking various questions. And at the very end, I said, I'm interested in trial trafficking. He starts talking about Epstein. And it's clear that, you know, he knows how bad the Epstein story is. If I said, no, no, no, I'm not interested in Epstein. I think the world can pretty much agree that Epstein trafficked that there were probably hundreds, if not thousands of clients. He's probably tied to the Mossad, CIA,

probably several. And so I said, but we all kind of know this intuitively. And we're just missing details. And I said, let me go at this another angle, I said. I said, let me ask you this. Is the Clinton Foundation trafficking children?

And he said, oh, absolutely. That one nugget alone, which the data was very strong. you can find it. It's out there. The data was very strong. I said to a famous hedge fund manager who I've swapping emails with mostly about Ukraine and Israel, Israel and Palestine. He's Jewish. So you can imagine where he stands. But I mentioned this. He says, oh, there's a guy everyone would know. You'd know his name. And he said, oh, that wouldn't shock me to all those guys are so bad. And so if you accept just that one factoid that the Clinton Foundation is trafficking children. You have just walked into the deep end of the

pool so quickly. And it just gets worse and worse and worse as you dig into it. But you don't know, you don't know what's real information, what's being thrown out there to throw you off the trail, right? The head fake, look left, past the puck to the right, you know, that sort of thing. And so it's very difficult to sort through. And that's why I haven't finished writing about it is painful to write about. It's a kind of a darkness. And you say, well, why are you writing about it? A, it's a problem, but there's another foundation level reason why I'm interested in it,

and that is, is you look at, for example, what's going on in our border, or you look at what's going on with your truckers, how there's guys still in jail. In January 6th, you name it. You go through the various hot topics where it appears as though the leaders have lost all sense of who we are at a fundamental level, right? They're doing things that you go, I just didn't think anyone would throw us under the bus at that level of evil. And I ask, why are they doing it? And I kept, I kept saying, I can't explain it with money. I can't explain it. I kept looking, it's like an astronomer looking into the galaxy and seeing things that don't make sense. And

you got those orbits, those movements, and then said, oh, it's a black hole. And you go, oh, now I understand why it's acting so quirky. And I got on the child trafficking as a as a possible determinant of geopolitics. So if you're going to, if you're going to give people power to run the world, it's pretty useful if you actually also have dirt on them so you can tell them, by the way, this is what we want you to do. And the list of trafficking consumers includes some of the most famous people in the history of the United States. And then the question is how many of those are legit? I don't know.

But, and, you know, a rumor can spread around the world fast and you can read about it in 20 different places and it could have started with one rogue tweet. It's just a very complicated thing to look into. So in any case, but I am convinced that it's a serious problem. I'm convinced that people in power are, that there's some number of, perves, it's very hard to identify. I think the Clintons and the pedestals and stuff. I think they're just, I think they, I think those guys do things that are not imaginable to your average listener, just not imaginable.

If I, if I say it, you'd say, oh, that can't be truth. Skinning children, things like that. Well, I don't know, man. Yeah, I know. It's a dark world. Well, it's an absolute dark world. I think of who's a guy who used to, oh, what was this show? Dang, that's terrible of me.

Alex Jones? No, no, no. A mainstream show where he has two sides up, and usually it's like families, and they have to get up and guess he's a black guy. Family feud? Family feud. Who's the host of that? Oh, boy. But it's a black guy.

guy right now it is it used to be used to be another guy somebody's driving down the road right now Dave yelling at the radio well I know I know I like to do that from time to tip yeah um he uh he was on uh I've been sent this video so many times

not even funny but he's getting he's getting given lotion on a show and he's like oh well it's it why is it red and and it's the girl talking about it being uh foreskin baby's foreskin and you're like what right and you could

see he's like, you know, and he makes a joke of it, right? But the lady's just, oh, yeah. Well, how do you think? And he's like, and Oprah puts this on her face. Oh, yeah. So Oprah comes up a lot. Oprah's name comes up a lot. Tom Hanks is right in the sights of them.

But if Tom Hanks is not a pedophile, then he's getting massacred. So there's this really, it's so extreme that either it's right. he should be hung from the neck until dead or it's wrong and and this four guy has been just getting brutalized rolled through the rake through the coals oh totally and um Steve Harvey's the the guy Steve Harvey yeah I had it up I was about to get that answer to yeah there there whoever's driving and swerving all over the road Jimmy kill gets is getting pounded and and actually the the football player Aaron Rogers accused him of being a pedophile Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jimmy Kimmel about being on the LLiter Express, right?

Right. But we don't even know if that list that pops up on Twitter occasionally. We don't even know if that list is legit, right? There's so many things that, that, and you just watch and you smell trouble. Like I watched a, I watched a video yesterday that was a video designed. to debunk Pizza Gate. So I was actually bored. I said, let's go watch some Pizza Gate videos.

And I ran into this one. And they made cases for why Pizza Gates is not true, but I've read enough to know that I'd heard those arguments, but I don't know if to believe. But what's really noticeable about this threesome that was talking about is it seemed way too contrived. They weren't just guys enjoying a discussion. officer, Pizzer, they really did look like an orchestrated defense to me to throw gibberish out there.

I'm pretty convinced Pizsigate's real. I'm, I'm, the, the emails coming out of WikiLeaks, which is why I think Julian Assange is getting raked over the calls, because I think he, he has emails and just delivered emails that are so bad that they can't let him get away with it, which is why I worry. If I publish something, they say, oh, we can't let this Cornell guy get away with. with it. And it might be that I don't do any additional damage, but they have to, we saw this in COVID, right? If some guy spoke out against the vaccine, he had to be destroyed. It's not that he necessarily had a lot of say, but you had to destroy him. Yeah, it's, um, I've thought a lot

about this, uh, you know, because like, it wasn't everyone who spoke out about COVID, although I would say a lot, but certain people really caught the wrath. And it was because of what title? They were a doctor. So to have a doctor, which would give credibility to what they're saying, speak out, rake them over the coals or toast. It doesn't matter, yeah. But it reached a point where if you posted about the vaccine on Twitter and it got back to your administrator, you got fired from the hospital.

Yeah, right. And Ivermectin, you know, so I actually think Fauci is a mass murderer. By any definition of mass murder, I think he's a mass murderer. I think you could lay out the case, convict him and hang. them from the neck. I'm getting more and more frontier just oriented as I get older. Yeah, you're getting a little more Yellowstone. Let's take them out to the old. Yellowstone. Yellowstone, yeah, yellowstone. Yeah. The different thing good and evil is a fuzzy line. Yeah, exactly.

It's funny, how many people watch that show, Dave? And go. A lot. And then go, but when, in this part of the world, when they see the train station, like, hmm. Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple times. And then is why, why doesn't this happen more often? So a great example. What I wonder about, for example, is why when some father is opposing a gender transition by his daughter, and because of the rules in certain liberal states, she can literally at 14 get gender transitions with chemical castration. if I had a daughter who came home who had been chemically castrated and double mastectomy, I don't know what I would do to that doctor, but it wouldn't be pleasant. And I don't know what, well, I don't know.

I don't live in Canada. So, I mean, we got that. Canada's got problems. We got that going on. We got made being offered to pretty much everyone under the sun. You know, it started out as, you know, you got to have terminal. illness to, you know, foreseeable death to, and it just keeps going, going, going. Now you can be-

Why didn't they off some kid? Was there a story about them off and some kid? There's been, it hasn't got into teenagers yet, as far as I know, but there have been young adults. So I would say early 20s that have, and stories have blown up about that, doctors being able to give them made and different things. And like, that's fair in Canada, right? You know, so when I said in my class, every semester,

or at one point or another, I say, look, somewhere between age 15 and 25, you're going to go through a rough patch. You're changing like a werewolf. You're going from a kid to an adult in 10 years. I mean, it's just an unbelievable transition. You will get through it. I say this is my class. I said, you'll get through it. You'll feel like crap.

You know, but you'll get through it and you'll learn to live in your skin and stuff like that. And if they're often people because they're not happy, that's a serious problem. Well, I mean, well, sitting here in Canada, we go, what kind of frogs in boiling water? You know, Tucker Carlson was in Emmington and Calgary here. And it's always interesting to have an American come and talk because, you know, when you're living it and seeing the insanity,

at times you almost get used to a little bit. Like the liberal government is just insane. You get numb to it, right? And having an outsider come in and talk to some of it. And just the way Tucker phrased a few of the things, you're like, yeah, like the temperature. is probably 200 degrees and we still think we're at 50, you know? And when it comes to Maid, when it comes to this fentanyl, like safe supply, giving out drugs, giving out drugs to kids.

Right. Like, I mean. But the trucker thing, I wrote about the truckers and fathers me to no end. When I wrote about the truckers, it had reached the point where they were clamping down on them, right? But I haven't written about them since, but the fact that there's guys in, you know, in solitary up there who haven't even come up for trial yet on what looks like fabricated charges is stunning. The Coots 4 have been in the remand center for 700 plus days now. Well, we've got the January 6 guys. So this gets back to the simplest model is the most likely being wrong.

I hear models for why various things happen. I go, that doesn't explain it to me. That's inadequate. There's something underneath the surface. My gut feeling is that all these things that don't make sense are explainable if you assume that someone is trying to bring the Western world to its knees. And why would you do that? Well, who are the two biggest nationalists in the world right now? Prominent nationalists, right?

The two most prominent nationalists are Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. And therefore they stand between the globalists and some desire for some globalist order. You say, well, why do you want a globalist order? I mean, why do you want that? But if you go through history, it turns out, you know, some king of France somehow wanted Germany. It's like France not big enough for you yet. I mean, do you really need more egridge? And then you got, I read a book that I hype in almost every podcast,

written by Michael Malice called the White Pill and it's a history of the Soviet Union. But the brilliance of it is that he doesn't get stuck in all the Russian names. So you're not sitting there going my head is spinning on names. That's a huge mistake sometimes where you go, I've completely lost sight of why this book has written. No, he stays on topic well. We know Stalin killed 40 million people. The question is, do we know how?

You know, I never really thought about that. I just heard he killed 40 million. So he goes through the basically the process by which the Soviet Union just consumed itself and And how the what the people were put through and and what what eventually led the 40 million deaths and it's just total insanity But as you're reading the book my brother had the same response you're going don't let that happen here And I look north and I look at Christia Freeland and I'm going she's one of the most dangerous women in the world right there I you know if she was in a crosswalk I'd hope someone would gun it I want her I do not want her to get any more power Nikki Haley scares the crap out of me down here and I've gone through various phases on Trump but

after watching what happened this year I'm 100% pro Trump I want to get it I want to do the experiment I want him to get back in the White House and see what that all happens I'm willing to risk just put him in there and let him go wild. I don't think he will, actually. I think that this is all just hyperbole, and that he'll get in there and he'll try to fix it. You think Donald Trump will win that? No, I think he would win if we had legitimate elections.

We don't have legitimate elections. Do you think... Well, I don't know. Then again, I'm sitting here in Canada, so maybe I'm not rational. I don't know, maybe it's too right. I just look at it and I go, if Biden wins, won't the American people the first time? Okay.

Right now, to me, you're kind of like the U.S. just looks like it's in shambles. Just, I'm just watching this play on. I'm like everything they try and do, every, you know, a false flag event they try and perpetrate, doesn't seem to land anywhere. It just looks just complete ineptitude. You got Biden can't string together two sentences. On and on this goes. And you go, he's going to run in it.

He's going to run. And, I mean, is the, is the American people this time around going to buy that he wins the election? Like, if that were to play out? I'm not sure he'll be the candidate. You think they'll replace him. It will not be Kamala. If I had a guess, my best guess is that Michelle Obama rides in on a white steed. at the last minute.

Then the assumption Trump will win is no longer valid. The reason Michelle makes for the interesting candidate is I could imagine her beating him straight up in a fair and square election because she's relatively blemish-free. She's a super lefty, but I didn't really have trouble with her husband. I had trouble with his politics, but when he was standing at the microphone, it didn't feel like we were falling apart. There was a guy who was articulate presenting ideas. You got the sense if we had another Cuban missile crisis.

He might be the guy sitting in the chair who could handle the problem, you know, not Biden, right? Not Biden. In fact, Obama might be better than say Trump, who hip shoot it. Say, ah, bomb him. So, so, so Michelle has got very few blemishes. And so she could come in, she could get the black voters. back, which Trump had scooped up away from the Democrats in a significant level, which I actually saw coming.

In 2016, I noticed a left or right move by the black community in 16. It was just a flicker. But I'm going, wait a minute, there are black leaders here who are saying I'm going towards Trump. And there was no blacks for Dole, right? Blacks for Bush. That didn't exist, but blacks for Trump, they were there. So she'd pull them back.

She'd pull back, never Trumpers in a big way, I think. So she could be the candidate that you could imagine with a straight face saying just one. That would get the United States in some sense off a hook because I think the other paths that I can picture all lead to sort of catastrophic social pressure. So I think it's up to the Democrats to come up with a candidate that the world can breathe a cyber relief and say, okay. Because if Trump wins, we know it's just going to be so, we're going to go through just mountains upon mountains of false accusations and legal attacks. And it's just going to be awful. And I'm supporting him, but it's going to be awful. If he doesn't win and it looks like the election was rigged, heaven only knows what happens.

And if he goes against Biden and Biden wins, I'm not going to believe it for a second, not a second. I don't think Biden has a prayer against Trump in a straight election. I think even the globalists know that. Well, that's what you're sensing, right? Yeah. You're sensing now the gears have changed. And now they're talking about military interventions and crazy shit like that. And so first of all, everyone has acknowledged Trump's the candidate now.

One of the million-dollar questions is all these legal attacks, which all, look specious to me. A guy breaks the law should have to answer for it, but the President of the United States, there should be a pretty high bar before you take that guy to court. I didn't agree with the Clinton impeachment. They got him on lying to Congress. I go, they lie to each other

all day. That's standard stuff. It's a procedural conviction. And so that struck me as petty crap by the Republicans impeaching Clinton. and impeaching Trump, same thing. It seems possible to me that all these legal cases, which really look fabricated, there's just no substance to them that I can find, including the Georgia vote rigging, supposedly, where I know what happened.

I listened to the, I read the dialogue, the transcripts. Trump is accused of getting people to go make up 11,000 votes. That's not what he said. What he said was all you have to do is find 11,000 illegitimate votes and we get Georgia. And that's totally rational. He just said, go find me 11,000 illegitimate votes. But they've turned it in, go find 11,000 fake votes for me. That's what the media said.

Now, the media is an utter sack of crap. I would say just get rid of all of them, but we really desperately need them. It's like a bad referee in a hockey game, right? We need a referee, but this guy's not going to cut it, right? And so the media's super garbage. If you're in the mainstream media, and you're not calling out your peers, and you're the problem too. So if you're somehow listening to me, there are media members I like individuals.

Tucker, although Tucker at times makes me nervous. Once I go, what? He supposedly had all the January six tapes. He didn't release him. He could have just done a core dump. I think he might have thought he had more time, but to bleed them out slowly while guys rot and solitary confinement's not morally sound. They should have been dumped and McCarthy didn't dump him. He got him off his plate by saying I gave him to Tucker. and then the new guy I can't even remember his name Adams or something. I don't even care because I don't like him either. He said he had him would release him and they didn't release him.

I see a tremendous number of possible pathways that will lead to serious stress. I think they overplayed COVID. So I think that the neo-Nazis, you know, look at Australia, right? Remember the Australians? Holy Christ. that dude that guy with the dark hair and and you know what's her face ad hern from new zealand they were

just they're just i find her kind of hot for some reason but they were psychos they were psychos and if you had said you know okay okay dave if you have to leave the united states for some reason where would you go the three choices would have in Canada Australia New Zealand and now now they look like a shithole. Not you guys. I love Canadians, but Justin Trudeau. Well, the country isn't a shit hole. It's the laws and the people governing them that have really taking a dark turn into authoritarianism and people just welcoming it in.

Well, do you think you can vote them out or not? Well, if we're talking Trudeau, my sense. is we're going to get him out in 2025. We have to wait until 2025. And in the meantime, can a lot of things happen? Absolutely. So when you talk about Obama coming in, you know,

we were just talking about this last night, is what happens if Freeling goes in? And I'm like, I'm like, oh, my God. She's like Victoria the Hut, Newland. She's that bad. And here's the thing. I go, I think that makes it worse.

And they're like, I don't think it does. And so we got in this long conversation. How can the liberals win the next election? Because under Justin Trudeau right now, everything he touches turns to ash. Yep, everybody looks at it and goes, this guy, everybody. I can't sit here and find a person that's voting liberal. I just, I mean, sure, are they out there?

Sure. So you'll find out if your elections are legit then. Yes, right now. Right. And you go, you know, like UFC goes to Toronto, right? And they're saying F, Trudeau, the entire crowd. Now, is that all? Toronto, you know, is that all Toronto. No, obviously there's people coming in from all over the

place for UFC, but regardless, downtown Toronto, F. Trudeau. He's at, he's at a women's hockey game, Dave, the other day, right? This women's professional hockey league, Ottawa versus somebody. So he's giving them, he's giving the talk. The crowd starts chatting F. Trudeau and they bleep out, you know, they take the music, you know, they take the sound away. And you're like, he can't go anywhere right now with F. Trudeau not being showed to get everywhere. So if he wins the next election, completely rigged in my mind. My mind. Right. But can they do something to change it? Like you're talking about with Biden. Yes.

Michelle Obama going in, like you say, does change the dynamic. If all sudden, and I don't know, Freeland, I hate just as much as Trudeau at this point. And I go, I don't see. I think she's more dangerous. Well, I agree. Michelle Obama, you know, she has this first lady, I don't know. She also has the Obama machine behind her. So you know.

it's a good news, bad news, right? On the one hand, she comes in as a rookie, but you go, but she's not a rookie. And so that's where the machine helps because you're not going to have someone in the White House who doesn't know what they're doing. She's going to have people who know what they're doing. She's going to have the entire machine to help her. So at least there should be some sort of functional machine there. Now, her politics could be completely whack-a-doodle by the time she gets her. I just don't know.

But I didn't have terrible trouble with Barack. I was most critical of him for bombing the shit out of the Middle East. I'm a very anti-war guy at this point. I was a Reagan Republican. You know, I. What do you think of their cook dying in eight feet of water and on and on and on? Well, that's a minor embarrassment for them. That used to knock you out of a race, right?

That used to get you in trouble and that people just shake that off completely. So you don't know what happened, but so that the notion, David, sorry. The notion of Barack's gay is, is, seems to be legit. I think that's probably true. Sorry. That he is. Say that again? The evidence that Obama is gay is legit, but also no one cares.

I mean, you can say how he's been lying about it, but show me in a 50 or six-year-old male who's gay, and I'll tell, I'll show you a guy who lied about it, right? Because it's just wasn't as easy to not to come out. He didn't think he could get to the presidency if he was gay, right? There's no way he would have believed it. So, so, so that doesn't matter. The idea that he's a dude is provocative. But I listened to his Twitter spaces last night, actually, where the guy wrote about

Michelle and he wasn't favorably. He wasn't a favorable supporter of her at all. But he said, what I could tell you, she's not a guy. She's not a guy. So the Big Mike story is just entertainment value. Big. You know how funny that you know, it's, it's like every, every, you know, once again, the group I'm with last night, big Mike came up. And we all just started laughing, right?

Well, yeah, Big Mike. Can you imagine? Can you imagine she runs for presidency? And there will be some creative people talking about Big Mike running for president. Oh, they'll put an infinite loop out there. But so I think I know someone who knows these people, these various high echelon people, because he's a multi-gazillionaire. And he said two things. He said, he said, Kamala Harris.

He says, they're stupid. and then there's Kamala. He said she's incomprehensibly stupid. So that's not an act she's putting on, although her speechwriters look like they're trying to sabotage her. The second thing was he says, Michelle wants to be president but doesn't want a campaign. There's a consequence.

It is a perfect setup for her to come in at the last minute, never have to kiss babies, never have to do anything, just sort of walk in the, you know, get the nomination at the primary somehow. I think Gavin Newsom is a weak candidate. It's conceivable Gavin plus vote rigging could get him the election. I don't rule that out.

But he's got a lot of explaining to do. I still think he looks like a 1980s porn star. I think he's disgusting looking. I think there's something about him that's so slimy. But he also has got to explain California. and California under his rule has been it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's the mecca for bad ideas right it's just a horrible thing you have to explain all the homelessness and all the drugs and

everything I just he he doesn't have much to to build a case on but but does that matter I don't know you know I'm going to pull you all the way back to where maybe we start a little but, you know, this child trafficking thing. What did you make of the tunnels in New York? I didn't pay too much attention. I mean, the tunnels underneath the synagogue, that story? Well, well, what's the, what's the, I could have mentioned a synagogue saying, look, we've been persecuted enough times in history.

Let's have tunnels to get the hell out if we have to, right? If you go back in ancient history, I think many, many have underestimated the importance of underground. protection mechanism. So there's these various underground cities that are now being discovered. And you either put your your, your, you defend sitting on top of some mesa

that no one can attack, or you go underground, right? So you got the tunnels in Vietnam. You got tunnels are, are a common thing. Hominids used them since they were, you know, since they were hominids. And so, so,

the tunnels in the pedophilia world though are sort of a red flag so there was a case called the mcmartin case where it was a daycare center that was supposedly filled with pedophiles and it never made sense to me because i thought pedophiles were loners and that you know if you bring in too many into your inner circle someone's going to rat you out right and i've now flipped on that and realized no i think actually the pedophilia networks are what provide the cover and the trafficking. And so the McMartin case, at first I dismissed it because it was a bunch of people all in one daycare facility who were pedophiles. So I go, how can that be?

Well, the pedophiles can get together and form a daycare facility and do their stuff. They found tunnels underneath the McMartin House, supposedly. And then there's fact checks that say they don't. But if if the pedophile network problem is as big as some people say, the fact checkers are going to be hammering it. Right. The fact checkers on peace again, I don't know. Well, I'll tell you this, we got three young kids. And we, I think probably, I hope most people do, but we went around looking at day homes, right?

So we, you know, probably visited, I don't know, 10, 12. And one of the ones we walked into was in Marshall, Saskatchewan. So that is like 10 minutes outside where I live. And I don't normally throw out exactly where it is, except I'm like, these people have no place deep enough in hell, right? Right. And we walked into the house and, uh, ladies seem nice. I, you know, I, but you know, I just kind of had this like gut feeling, if you would, Dave, like something. Hmm. Something was wrong here. Right. Hmm. I just can't, can't put it, you know, but I've learned to really trust that. And in walked, her husband or

significant other and he was the cook and as soon as I saw him I went mm-mm this isn't the place and I walked out and first step out of the house and this is this is just isn't the place so you know you walk away you don't think of anything you know for any time because you're not going there anyways well he got charged

he got charged about two years later he had cameras set up in the room and and on it on it went and you're like oh my god a we dodged a bullet. But two, how many years did that place operate with kids in it where he had access to just, and you just like, you want to talk about the train station. Right. The train station needed to be invoked. You know, and I just had on a doctor, Dr. William Macas. And he's been,

you know, on Twitter, he talks about sudden deaths a lot. But one of the things, you know, he, he's had been attacked an awful lot over the last bit. And one of the things he was talking about was a hs Alberta health services right there are billion dollar organization government ran here in Alberta they run all of our you know healthcare and one of the high ups was busted for um patients young patients and charged with that and it kind of got shuffled through the paperwork and he finally got caught in bc and you're like how deep does this run like sometimes it's straight in front of us from the lowest end of just a day home and not having any public office to the highest end of it being the high end of public office here where you should

know better. And as soon as it happens, they should be dragged through the streets. Instead, it's kind of like, well, we'll just slide you over here and not make a big scene of it. Well, so, so digging into it, you find, first of all, you know, I ask the rhetorical question, you know, can you name a person who's prominent who's really been busted? The closest she can get to that I know of is Denny Haster, the Speaker of the House years ago, and he did some jail time. But there are whole documentaries that just go through case after case where someone gets busted and they get community service and crap like that. There's the famous case of a woman named Laura Silsby who got busted twice in Haiti trafficking children.

And she was in a Haitian jail and she put in a call to the Clintons and they got her out. And then the most bizarre part of it all is that she's a, she's, she works for Amber Alert. So I think if you wanted to find the hub of a trafficking network, the first place you look is some organization that involves children. So I think that if you look at some of these international organizations that supposedly are fighting child trafficking, what you find is that that's actually the network. that's my sense. And I keep running into it. The art, the art import,

export world is huge. Somehow they bypass customs. There's some legal mechanism by art exporters, importers bypass customs that I don't quite understand why that would be, but it seems to be. The art world's been notorious for laundering money. So when Hunter Biden sells a painting for half a million dollars, and then won't tell us who the buyer was, right?

If the son of the president is selling paintings for half a million dollars, I think we have the right to say who paid, who bought that painting. And you'll find it's someone who expects a favor, right? There's no question of my mind that Hunter's paintings are being bought by donors. And it's so easy to do. NFTs, I'm sure we're money laundering. That's why they came up with NFTs, right? You buy some image off the internet for, you know, $50 million.

One of the guys who gets a lot of golf is this guy, you know, the balloon art, guy makes big balloons look like, you know, party balloons except they're gigantic. He sold one for $250 million. I go, who buys a balloon for $250 million? It was a dog, you know. And you follow the pedophile hunting community. And boy, does he come up a lot. And so the question is, did.

someone buy his balloon for $250 million as a way to traffic money having to do with trafficking children. And you find yourself scratching your head a lot because there's no way to prove anything. There's no way to put to rest. You know, how long did it take for people to finally admit Hunter's laptop was real? It took about a year. We all knew from day one. We knew from day one because, first of all, I was confident the New York Post didn't blow it.

But second of all, it was so badly obvious that all you have to do is take his emails and reach out to a couple of people who exchange emails and said, did you get an email from Hunter, Hunter Biden on the state and time? If they did, they go, well, apparently we have the laptop, right? And for a year, the press, the skanky horse that are called the press were happy to cover it up. And again, Cheryl Atkinson would go at something like this. There are a few who would, but for the most part, the press is just worthless sacks of garbage. And I can't, I can't be more. Here's a great example, Barbara Walters. Barbara Walters was on the view, right?

The view has an IQ of about 180, if you add them all up together. And she was on the view. and Corey Feldman goes on the view and says Hollywood has rampant pedophilia. He says that on the view. Why they had him on the view, I don't know. So what's the appropriate response? Well, if you're creeped out by that guy saying that, she'd say, well, now it's time to go to commercial and they say, what are you doing?

Don't go there, you know, go to some other clip or something. But no, Barbara attacked him. She really went at him. And I'm sitting there going, why did Barbara Walters do that? I mean, the guy just told you something and you should say, oh, that's just awful. We should look into it, you know, whatever. Then I'm reading a totally independent source about, I think it might have been Whitney Webb's books about the power structure throughout the 20th century. And they said that Barbara Walters was so tight with Roy Cohn that they used to joke about being married even though he's gay.

So, but, but, and then I'm going, oh, that's a plot taken her because Roy Cohn was basically. you know, Epstein on steroids. He was one of the great blackmailers of all time, sexual blackmailers. And for Barbara Walters to be tied with him, that's a problem. And so then I'm going, okay. And then I replay the tape on seemingly trivial things. Remember when Bill Cosby's kid got shot at a rest stop. And oh, that's just terrible. And then you find out Bill Cosby's a purve. Now, the perv that he got caught being was inappropriate behavior with women. But I replay the tape and I go, is that it? Do we know that's it?

Because one of the things they'll do, like when they prosecute Hunter Biden, they're prosecuting him on gun charges and things like that. They're not going near the tricky stuff. So Bill Cosby could get brought up on molesting women. And they're staying away from the whole pedophile thing because that connects him with people who do not want to be connected. And so then I start replaying the tape about a month ago going, was his son whacked? I don't know.

It's just a just a passing thought. Mysterious. And there's people who supposedly Anthony Bourdain and Chris Cornell were making a documentary on pedophilia. Supposedly, Anne Hesch had something to do with the documentary pedophilia. And they all died mysteriously. Kevin Space, he had four guys sue him during the Me Too movement. The street died and the other said, no thanks. I'm done.

Well, Byron Christopher, if he's listening, old journalist here in Canada. Forgive me, Byron, I forget how old you are these days. I want to say 70s. That's where I want to throw it out. But anyways, it doesn't matter. Old school journalists. And he tells a story of finding a. A VHS cassette tape.

And anyways, the guy finds it in a dumpster. For some reason, back in the day, a guy watches it. It's child pornography. And he recognizes one of the guys in the tape, and I hope I'm not butchering this story too much. Anyways, it turns out that it's a prominent judge. Right. And they just get the judge to step down.

And Byron was one of the guys going after the story, but they never charged him. So he could never substantiate what he had. Yeah. Well, great. One of the Rosetta Stones is the Franklin scandal, which is an Omaha, Nebraska-based pedophile network run by getting Larry King, no relation to the one on TV. But he was highly connected all the way into the Beltway.

So he had friends in high places. And he was working with an orphanage. And of course, that's where the kids are, right? And so the scandal breaks out and gets out of control. And concerned citizens get together and they hire a private investigator who's a former state cop. And he digs into it. He really does this diligent job. And so there's a book on this.

It's called The Franklin Scandal. I think it's by Chris Bryant. And it is a very compelling story. There are documentaries that are less compelling because they're grainy. hell. And say you're watching this going, I'm just not comfortable with this footage. It's one of those things. There's a Clinton. There's a Clinton Chronicles, which is the same way, but it looks pretty authentic to me. And the Franklin scandal, what's striking about it, Nick Bryant, what's striking about it is not how big it is. The kids were being flown to various cities.

That comes out. The cop and the son, the cop had serious data. They're playing crashed in a cornfield out in the Midwest somewhere. What a shock, right? So he didn't make it. And then the Omaha Gazette attacked the citizens group relentlessly. They went to the chief of police and then soon discovered that he was in the network. They went to the Attorney General of Nebraska, and he had no interest in it.

And so they finally pushed the case hard and the FBI shows up. And then the FBI proceeds to destroy all the witnesses. There are probably a half a dozen now adult witnesses. And they don't make great witnesses because their lives were destroyed. You know, when you're six years old, some guy's jamming it up your butt. You know, you're not coming out of that without some need for therapy. And there was, they were often junkies. They were often prostitutes.

They were often head split personalities. And so they made for difficult witnesses. But this investigator did a great job. They'd say, well, we were in this house over here. There were tunnels in the basement. He'd go check it out. And sure enough, they described the house. And then the FBI shows up and destroys the witnesses.

And they're easily destroyed because they're already injured people. What the FBI starts doing is saying, look, if you keep telling this story, we're going to bring you up on perjury and put you away for decades. So next thing you know, the witnesses are all accusing each other blind. And everything goes away eventually. Except one tenacious woman, she ends up in the Nebraska Supreme Court. And I can't remember exactly what it was that she was there for. and they assign a judge who did not have the legal standing to be a judge in the Nebraska Supreme Court, but somehow they found a way to get them in.

And the judge and the prosecutor just destroyed the case. So she ends up going to jail somehow. She ends up going to jail. On her first parole hearing, the parole board voted unanimously to let her out because they didn't buy the story. And so if you read that book, you're left with a sense that the highest authorities in the land made sure this story didn't get out of control. It actually did get out of control, in my opinion. Whitney Webb talks about it. The serious players talk about it.

And Whitney Webb sort of talks a little bit about where the kids were landing a little bit. You know, she talks about the guys in high places, whereas Nick Bryant sort of was much less clear, much less. us detailed about where these kids are being shipped off to. And so... From where you sit, Dave, you understand the gravity of writing about said situation, right? Yeah. Like, you just...

My wife doesn't know I'm writing about it. That's a problem, actually. My wife does not know I'm writing about it. I don't want her to work. So in 2020, I got canceled to Cornell. And around 15 years ago, At the request of the dean of faculty, I organized a group and fought a UAW attempt to organize the grad students into a union. And we won in a very big way.

It was a bad idea. About 2017, the American Federation of Teachers showed up to organize our grad students. It's just a bad idea, it turns out. I'm sympathetic to why they might want it, but it's a bad idea. I don't want to go into that, but it's a bad idea. But it was a much more dangerous organization because it was a federation of teachers, not UAW, things like that. And I got a call from the provost asking me to organize a group. And I was on conference calls with Cornell Legal.

They said, well, it's our understanding you beat the UAW. I said, no, they just lost some bad ideas. They said, well, that's not our understanding. And then I had these conference calls where I said, look, if the NLRB is not complaining, I'm not doing my job. They said, we're fine with that. And so we beat them by a razor-thin margin, and they actually blew it. They would have won, except I threw out one last Hail Mary trying to get the debate going into the public, because they were able to keep it below the public level. And some stupid idiot posts on social media, and the fight was on.

Once the fight was on, people paid attention, and I could get out the ideas for why the union was a bad idea. And we won by 60 votes out of 2000. And they were mad. So about three weeks later, they smeared the shit out of me. But it didn't go anywhere, but it was a very ugly letter to the editor of the student newspaper. Very ugly letter. A lot of lies, a lot of things misinterpreted, out of context statements. My Twitter feed was a gold mine for them.

So in 2020, when the guy got knocked over in Buffalo, remember that old man? Yes, the old man. Chris Irons of Quote the Raven podcast. We're doing a podcast on Saturday. It was like a Thursday. And he posted that, said, oh, this is just awful. And I watched the video a couple of times. I said, my response to him was, well, Chris, we can talk about this on Saturday.

But I don't know why he was poking the cops that way. I don't know what he's doing, poking riot police. I said, that makes no sense. It looks kind of self-inflicted to me, but we can talk about it. I didn't say deserved it. Nothing like that. I just said self-inflicted is you poke a riot police and end up flat on your ass. You can really look in the mirror and blame yourself.

And by morning, complete shitstorm. It was not a grassroots cancellation. It was astroturf. Someone was locked in a little. Some Hollywood guy released the hounds. He had two million followers. And somehow that, he played a role. And I don't know how I was looking for the dog whistle.

But within a half an hour, there's a free speech group that reached out to me. I was still trying to clean up my Twitter feed. And they said, if you need our help, give us a yell. And by morning, the dean's, all the administrators, my gradients or mailboxes were filled with emails, thousands of emails. And that was ugly. There's a host of reasons why firing me would have been nearly impossible, nearly impossible. And it's not just tenure. You start with a baseline of tenure and then I can build the case, which includes the fact that I'm the only guy in the chemistry department history has been the director of graduate studies, undergraduate studies, associate chair and chair.

I coached you sports, as I said to you. Turns out my wife is Ezra Cornell third great-granddaughter. Her brother's a trustee by birth. And my grandfather was president of national alumni association. I mean, there's these, this would look ugly in court. And the fact that the smear was based on something I did at the request of the dean of faculty and the provost. So it just, the court. And I was told by some secondhand that Cornell legal said, if we ever tried to fire Dave, we'd get killed.

And so they weren't going to fire me. The president denounced me. They were trying to find a way to put out the fire. And so she wrote an open letter with four other signers, including the chief of police, which is ironic to a higher order. What's funny about it is, and when I first posted a tweet, I didn't know this, but I dug into it, wrote about it. The guy was a grifter. He faked the damn thing. There's actual video footage of him arguing with people about how he intends to go pick.

fight with the cops. His Twitter feed was filled with fuck the police postings, which started to be cleaned up while he was supposedly in a coma. And I've got a photo of him sitting on the cell, laying on the gurney talking on his cell phone, but he's supposedly in a coma. And so, but the administrator, the president denounced me for not representing Cornell values. And I, she's wrong on two counts. One is he was a grifter, so there's that. But the other thing she's wrong about is Cornell doesn't have values. My values are not the same as my colleague's values.

Cornell doesn't have values. Cornell has codes of conduct. They have various things. But Cornell's, if they have values, it's we support free speech. We support open inquiry. We support, right? Her values are not, my opinion is not about Cornell's values. And so she's full of shit on that.

She's only done that twice. The other guy was a guy who was cheering about Hamas killing Jews. And she denounce him too. And when I read it, I go, I understand why she did it. But she's back to that Cornell value crap. Now, where was I going with that? I was asking about, you're writing about this pedophilia. And you know how dangerous it is?

Right. And then you told your wife. Oh, and so she kept, she was blamed. me. This was during lockdown, right in the heart of the, you know, April-ish, you know, and I was worried about Antifa showing up on my door. I was getting, I was getting death threats and stuff like that, but I was worried about Antifa. And so she's going, why would you say that? And I go, read what I wrote. Look at what I wrote. There's nothing there. I just said, why would he poke riot police? Right. And, and so there is, there is, there is,

risk. They can come at you. Now, I'm now in a position of my life where, for some reason, corner wants to come at me again. I'm going to war. I shut up. I had trustees talking to me. I had powerful people in my corner. I had two trustees walk into the president's office and say, don't do something stupid here. And now they're calling for her head, and I'm defending her. That's the irony. So that's the risk of going out on a ledge like that. I, I risk going on an allege when I say, I'm always amazed that people, we talked about how someone castrated your daughter did a double mastectomy. I don't think it's unreasonable to say it, well, I'd go kill the guy.

To me, that makes sense. But I could get in trouble for saying that. Right? That, well, yeah, I can't say that. I go, well, you know, here's what I think is important. I think doctors who are willing to do that to some 14-year-old girl without telling mom, and dad, they should hear what I just said because they are taking a risk that some dad is going to go out and get them.

And I don't understand why that doesn't. My wife was watching a show called Frontier. I think it's about 1730 trapping town on Hudson Bay. If you watch it, it's actually pretty good. Yeah, I've watched parts of it. It's one guy who's a total dick. What's his name? He's a total dick, right?

the guy in charge. You know what I'm talking about. Yes. I can just pull it up. You don't need it. It doesn't matter. But I'm looking at a lawless place in 1730 thinking if you're a dick, someone just going to crack you over the head. I would have, I'm watching this show and I'm going, if I were that guy, just wait until he walked around the corner.

And he'd get a two by four in the back of his head. Right. So I actually think in periods of lawlessness. there was a natural reluctance to set yourself up for that kind of thing. Here's an example I like to describe. Gladwell writes about culture of honor, which is a phenomenon that has been studied by psychologists, but it tends to run along the Appalachians and down south and stuff. And it's kind of a screw you, screw me, screw you attitude about life.

And it seems to be regional. And there was a case down south where two guys were ragged on another guy at the gas, say, just ripping him, just ripping away at him. And he pulls out a gun and blows him away. And the jury acquits him. And when the jurors was asked, why did you acquit him? And the juror said that they should have known better. And that's culture of honor.

That's, you know, he's a horse thief. We hang him, you know, that sort of thing. It's that kind of thinking. It seems to me that that, that's a restoring force against being behaving badly. Because if you do that, someone's going to come and say, I'm sorry, but I've had enough of you. And there are, if I had a, if I had a son locked in prison and had not been brought up on trial due to January 6th, I'd be thinking about who I'd get even with.

I think that if you're not, and you, I'll tell you, why you don't do anything. Because if Trump gets elected, he's getting out. So now it's not the time to get rash. But if I could identify the guy who's actually the brains behind my son being in prison for no reason, that guy's, I wouldn't underwrite his life insurance policy. As a parent, that is a responsible way to think. Now, it's not to say that I would have the boss to do it. It's not to say that it's a good thing. But it's a logical thought process as a parent. But the next guy who thinks about acting that poorly might go, you know, my buddy over and such and such just got wax for doing that. So maybe that's not a good way to behave, right?

And I'm guessing in the old days there was a lot of that where it's just like, look, you know, if you go to church. Well, where does the train station idea come from? That. Right. although the train station they were taking guys who did not deserve to go to the train. 100%. Yes, they've taken it to the extreme.

But I think there's a whole group of people that see the train station idea and they go, pedophiles should probably be in that. Like, I mean, we should probably just take them out back and be done with it. Now that the trick is in this lawless approach

to civilization, marginal civilization, is you really, you really better know you're right. So for example, some girl accuses me of rapier and I know I didn't and I know she's lying. She gets to go to the train station. My son tells me that story about him and I'd be going, okay, I believe him, but I'm not confident 100%, right? Because he might be lying to me. And so, and so the train station requires you being 100%. But I've thought about that.

I mean, someone could do it to me. Actually, the way I'd handle it. I've thought about this a lot. If someone did that to me, I'd wait till they weren't looking. And then I'd walk up to them and say, you keep doing what you're doing. You know you're lying. You're going to die. You got to pull back.

We're not going to have this conversation again. Now, Cornell has a funny policy and I'm trying to help a kid. The problem is, I don't know if he's guilty, but you can be accused, this has happened several times, you can be accused of sexually inappropriate activity, assault, we'll call it. Have your accuser disappear and refuse to testify against you. And it takes Cornell in an inordinate period of time to clean up the case. So as far as I'm concerned, as painful as it might be, if the girl accuses the guy of doing something horrible, and then she disappeared and says, no, I'm not testifying.

It may very well have happened, but it's over, right? The case is over. But Cornell doesn't let it go. And I think it's because the wokeies have a hold of the system. They go, well, but we still have to get the guy to go, you lost your only witness. You don't have a case. There's nothing you can do. It doesn't matter whether it was heinous.

You've lost your case. That's how this is works. Well, this kid is now graduated, having graduated six months ago. And he lost a job because he couldn't resolve his Cornell diploma issues. That's a. That seems kind of like where we're at in the world, doesn't it? Well, the other thing, what got me to the stuff early was, my son lived with a girl who accused him of sabotaging her laptop.

They were friends and then she somehow went psycho on him. You didn't live with her. It was a house of like nine people. And she filed a police report. And I said, take a photo of her laptop, open it up, boot it up when she's out there, take a photo of the screen. Let me shout to my IT guy. My IT guy is an authorized lap repairman, Mac repairman.

And he looked at it. he said, well, it looks like the motherboard. And you can't sabotage the motherboard like that. That's totally crap. Well, she was trying to squeeze $800 out of them. And so we were thinking of moving him out of his apartment for the last three months or last two months. But we hesitated because I'm thinking, oh, there's only two months left. But she seemed like a psycho to me.

It bothered me. So my laptop guy, my IT guy actually booted up the key. case and said, look, she dropped it up, but she never even got an answer, right? So she was just shaking him down for 800 bucks. But I got nervous. So in any event, that resolved, went nowhere because she didn't follow up on it. I tried to resolve the conflict, actually, and she really didn't seem very pleasant to me. And then my son called me on day, and he said, dad she did it she accused a wrestler raping her and and i was pretty convinced so i i i said to my son so you have to step up and he didn't want to i said i'm saving you the pain and suffering of waking

up some night some morning five years from now saying i could have done something and i chose not to you have to step up. What you went through is evidence of who she is. And I stepped up. I said, basically, this is my perspective. And so I actually said, look, this woman is not trustworthy. I testified to Cornell. They made me sign secrecy agreements and everything, which I'm breaking now, right?

Well, because then they made my testimony public. And I'm going, well, I guess that secrecy agreement's off. Sorry, guys. So in any event, he went to. prison for five years. And I think the jury, they didn't get them on the big charge. They got them on some sexual assault charge, not rape. And I think the jury horse traded it. They said, okay, we'll give him sexual assault and not rape. And then the judge hit him with five years. It's like, whoa, whoa, that's a big, that's a big, big window. And I had conversations

with him in prison. I had chats with them. I was trying to help his family figure out how to get him out of there. Eventually he got out. He married his girlfriend. And they were living happily ever after. She wasn't taking it very well still, but he seemed pretty chipper overall. And he told an interesting story. He said when he got to prison, they sent him through a triage and sort of a first contact where he sits out with some counselor or something. And the counselor then eventually says, did you do it? And the kid says, no, I didn't. And the counselor says, yeah, that's what we thought.

So the word had already made it to the prison that they got a bad conviction coming. And so here's a Cornell undergrad. And fortunately, he wanted to be a farmer. Fortunately, there were tons of guys offering him jobs because no one believed her. So he had job offers when he got out and stuff. And so he was able to put his life back there, five years in prison. you know you you said something there i think is really important for maybe myself and everyone else to hear you know what you told your son you know like i'm saving you five years from now waking up and and

you know if you i forget i i i don't even know remember how to paraphrase it i just that that struck me it sounds almost i'm going to save you the pain and suffering of realizing you could have done something and i think i think that's i think that's a really important thought for all of us, right? You know, through COVID, that was by not doing anything, you allow the lie to perpetuate, right? And that's where you're at with child trafficking. There's a well-known phenomenon.

It's got a name, and I quoted it this year, my write-up, and I was foreshadded what I thought I'd be writing about this year, and I don't know if I'm going to get to it, but it's about women in sports, right, trans women in sports. And we should talk about that. We're both ex-athletes. And it's insanity. It's complete.

Only a moron could sign off on this, right? I'm calling you out. It's just, you know, go ahead, cancel me again. I'm going to war against you, you pinheaded idiots. What astonishes me is that the women's sports mafia hasn't stepped up and said, stop. And so, so I did a poll and said, no. No qualifiers, no fans or butts. Should trans women be able to compete in women's sports?

This is a Twitter poll. 5,000 clicks, 5,000 answers. 97.5% said no. And the other 2.5 probably answered the poll wrong. Right? And so everyone agrees this is insanity, which is why I think it will go away. but but and i think riley gains has made great progress i think she really stepping up i think she really took one for the team and um what i just don't know why more didn't do that i i just

couldn't live here in here in canada april hutchinson she's a canadian powerlifter suspended one year from her sport for speaking out against a man competing against her that's exactly right So the person suspended her should get 50 lashes. I'm back to hanging from the nearest tree. I just have no patience left. I really, this is like hockey. You know, where some guys are duch, you go, okay, the gloves are coming off. I'm pouting the crap out of the guy, right?

No, I think we need a return to frontier justice to solve this problem because the system's failing us. The system is failing us. Here, I started to say something. Oh, I was asked to three medalist Olympian what she thought about the subject. And I felt bad right away because I watched her tighten up. And then I realized I just asked her a question that if she answers it honestly, she could be kicked off her team if it gets out. And I'm going, that's not fair to ask her at this point.

And she admitted she didn't sign something. supporting it or I don't know I got the feeling I think she admitted but I and I was no longer thinking about her yet you go yeah you go back to you go back to what you said you could use your own line on her day you could you because I watched uh I think you posted a video I can't remember when it was was that

yesterday was it it doesn't matter about talking about talking to some of the LPGA golfers saying you know I I don't agree with it but you know I can't lose my sponsors right right and I go yeah You're going to hate yourself more in five years if you don't talk about it. And if you do talk about it, you might be shocked, especially the first one through the door.

Might get a ton of sponsors flocking rate to them. Might be like, this is amazing. Can't believe there's an outspoken woman on the LPDA. Well, I think this is going to burn out. I think this is going to burn out. And the other thing I started to say is I think they overplayed COVID. And after three years of watching people keel over, you know, we have. know that athletes are dying in droves.

You know, when I grew up, no one died of a heart attack at 29. You know, they Paul Voltares with two gold medals didn't kill over from a heart attack. Two days ago, we lost a coach, a 49-year-old coach to a heart attack. I was just going to say that. My goodness. What's the team? Why can I think of it? Basketball.

Yep. My research associate, her husband, my research associate, her husband got the third, got the third jab, the boost. And immediate I had cardiac problems and something like three or four months later died of a heart attack. But they never resolved the cardiac problems. We don't know. I'm going to butcher this name. Milo Javik suffered a heart attack last Tuesday night at a team dinner and died the next day. Exactly.

So you know that entire team is sitting. around, Dave? There's thousands of athletes who have died. And one of the reasons it's the athletes, because A, it seems to be hitting young men. Young men seem to be at risk more than young women, but also athletes push their hearts. So the World Cup soccer monitors their athletes, and they occasionally die of heart attacks, because if you've got some embedded heart problem that hasn't gotten diagnosed and you go play soccer, real serious soccer you're going to find that eventually so they do die of heart attacks but it was up

fivefold i'll put it to you this way play noon hour hockey three times a week group of better man than me group of 30 max 40 guys right coming and going since covid you know and i've been talking about it with one of my brothers you know because he's been playing in it you know well over a decade like anyone ever had a heart attack no Anyone ever had a thing called Myro Cadetis? No. I can name two. I can name two.

Hank Gathers, basketball player right before Loyola, Merrimount, went through the brackets in March Madness, and Pete Marevich about 49. So three guys in our noon hour hockey group. Now, I'm not saying we're all spring chickens. I'm not saying we're all in the greatest shape, but we do play hockey three times a week. Which means you should be healthier than most people in your bracket. Right. Two guys of myocarditis. one guy had surgery on a brain tumor in the last year, maybe less, right?

And the cancer rates are soaring, supposedly, but it's hard to confirm that personally. I always like to find some independent source. It's just, it's playing itself out right in front of us, right? Oh, I don't, they just kind of, oh, yeah, yeah, coach dies really sad. Well, at least they mention heart attack. Usually they hide that. And the articles are now starting to. hint, right? The mainstream media is starting to show evidence that they're, oh, by the way,

that guy who's 21 who died playing football, seems a little suspicious. They're starting to go there because now you don't get fired for going against the narrative because the narrative for COVID is over. Now, I was with my doctor the other day, getting checked out for a surgery, and I said, well, you know, one of the big problems is that I bet we've created an entire generation of anti-vaxxers. And he said, oh, my God, it's falling through the floor, the number of people who want vaccines. Now, I think it's a plus.

I think we vaccinated the shit out of too many people, too many times. The COVID vaccines, I just saw a vaccine, what's it called, the register or something, the protocols for kids? They got three COVID jabs on them. No. So I think if you're a parent and you vaccinate your kid with COVID, I think you're psychotic. We're just an ignorant fool. And you're not going to get told by the U.S. authorities, although papers are starting to leak into major journals tracing this.

But you're going to get it from foreign. The U.S. is sort of the hub of the lie, right? The U.S. to the Fauci that the U.S. machine backed the COVID narrative and everyone else sort of followed suit or didn't. But you'll get the good data out of places like the U.K. and things like that. I want to ask you You know Like COVID man I could talk

Like What I want to ask you about Is you wrote Uh Mmhmm I'm right there I put it right You said

By anchoring public perception On fictional plot Plots Hollywood disarms reality Right Did you watch Leave the World behind Julia Roberts

And Ethan Hawke About this You know End of the World cyber attack on Netflix? Yes. Yes. It was novel. What do you...

I read the foreshadowing something. Well, it was a predictive programming. You know, like, we sit there and you watch it and you go, why is Obama playing a part in that? Why is he making a movie that, you know, like, in the prepping world, that's probably one of the hottest topics right now, you know, like among other things, right? In this community of talking about different things that could

possibly happen in COVID 2.0 and disease X and all these different things, then they walk in with that movie, leave the world behind, star-studded cast, and helped with a little push by Obama. And there it is. Well, you know this Deagle site? You know the Deagle site? Deagle's a military, Deagle, D-E-A-G-E-L-E-L, it's one of the two. Okay. It's a military site and it has stats and stuff.

It's clearly meant for the military in some way, shape, or form. Let me just see if I can find it. The Deagle site has various stats, and one of them is they've got a world population, like country in total and stuff like that. And their site without explanation has the U.S. population dropping something like 70% in 2025. And there's no explanation. It's just, it's a credible. You're saying it's a credible site.

You're like, I don't. I don't know, but I know an awful lot of smart bloggers and stuff who know this story and who've seen the table and say, what are they trying to tell us? Now, the other thing that I wrote about back when the vaccine was just started. So I knew, I didn't trust the vaccine, but I knew it was a problem when five days after they released it, the FDA or CDC, one of the two, I can't remember which one, came out and said, have no data, but there's no reason why pregnant women shouldn't get it. I'm going, you never give anything to pregnant women. You don't even let them near cat boxes. You sure as hell don't give experimental medications of any kind because we learn from thalidomide that you don't do that. And so that was insane. And then three or four months later, the various pediatric organizations

came out and announced that, you know, it's clear that the vaccines are safe. And I go, this is five months before the first COVID baby will be born and you're declaring it safe. That could come out purple. That could come out with no arms and no legs. You can't say that. Why would the head of a major organization like that say something so, so pathological? And the answer is because it's this gigantic pharmaceutical mafia. So I consulted for Pfizer for 20 years.

I was actually on Merck's long-range steering committee. where they lift up their skirt and showed us everything that they were doing. And it was unbelievably biological years ago. So you can see the biological stuff coming. I don't know how to find the chart. But it's called Deagle, D-E-A-G-L-E. And there's this table that shows a catastrophic loss of population in 2025. Now, you know that movie Grid Down that's coming our way?

Grid Down, Power Up, something like that? with Dennis Quaid? I can't say I do actually. Okay, so grid down. Let me Google that. Grid down. Grid down, Dennis Quaid will get it, get you. So I know the producer, the guy who masterminded it,

a guy named David Tice used to run a short fund. Every October, I sit down with him for a few hours in chat. And I don't know if it's been released yet or not. but there's trailers out there and I will pay for it to watch it if it gets released but it's about the grid going down and and Tice has built this community to survive the apocalypse

so he's talking his book I mean he clearly is talking his book but I also think he believes that I think he's selling what he believes but he's got this community which which has supplies and water and you know all the things that you need need. And you can't prepare for infinity. I have a preper gene in me. I prep pretty good for Y2K, and people laugh about that. I go, no, no, I was right. I was right because Y2K was an unknown

risk of very unknown severity. And so I read everything I could. I talked to computer scientists. I don't think anyone knew for sure. Well, some people might have. I know for sure. It wasn't going to mean anything. But I knew computer scientists of Cornell who were preppers. So these guys were taking it seriously. But what it is, is risk is not what happened is what could have happened. And I went through all the gymnastics to figure out, okay, so the computers go down.

What happens next? I said, well, first of all, the store is empty, period. They're gone. There's no food. And I was going to the site called Time Bomb 2000, which was, the number one sort of Y2K Prepper site. And there was a guy named Derek, not Derek. Now I'm drawing a blank.

Who basically addressed all the serious questions. He knew about chips. He knew about computers. He knew about everything. And he never responded to any questions or anything. He just went out there. So it was actually, I think, a Fed-sponsored panel of experts. that we're charged with keep the pulse down, right?

Don't let these guys go nuts. And so someone say that's such and such a chip, we're going to lose this. And he'd come out and say he addressed the chip issue. And then he disappeared. After it happened, he was gone. After January first showed up, he never shut up again. The site's been semi-archived. It's kind of interesting.

Go back and read. I learned something that was important from that site. One guy said, whatever you do, don't do something that's so drastic that you have to have a catastrophe to come out okay. So there are people who sold their houses to buy beans and stuff. They were just bad things. People were learning how to canned butter. There's a craziness to it. But I had gone through the intellectual gymnastics of what happens at the supply chains break.

So when COVID showed up, as soon as it clicked, there could be a lockdown, I'd already figured all this stuff out. So I moved right to the store. So the shelves were full, no one was paying attention. I started filling up carloads of toilet paper and bags of rice and things like that. And I wasn't prepping to survive forever. I was prepping to survive a period that would be uncomfortable if you weren't prepped, that you could even potentially die. But I think if you live in a house and you have the space,

it is irresponsible not to have some level of prep. So I think you should have lanterns and batteries. I think you should have a bag of, a 50 pound bag of rice. I don't know what it costs now with inflation, what it is. but a 50 pound bag of rice was like $20. And so you should have a couple hundred pounds of rice because you won't be gnawing your arm off. And if you're prepped, you're okay.

I live next to a lake. I live next to a stream. So the water problem was trivial now, would be trivial now. But if you're prepped, that means that frees you up to help others. And so I think anyone, if you're living in a 500 square foot apartment of Manhattan, then you can't. But if you have a house, you have a basement that's dry and stuff, you should have bags of rice. You can always take them to some food pantry and replace them.

You can always take them and give them to the food pantry and say, okay, now I'll get new bags of rice, right? And we were worried about things like what happens during the Y2K. You know, what happens if the cops go off the beat because they've got to go home, take care of their family? family because they weren't prepped, you know, that sort of thing. And so the more people who are ready, the more the more society would be able to sort of get through it. So I really think that your listeners ought to be if they, and if you say, well, yeah, I have a lot of food in the cover.

That won't last at all. That'll last five days. We could have a terrible ice storm or something knocks us up for longer than that. We can have a bad snowstorm. You know, there's just ways that could go bad. But the guys who worry about the grid say, look, if terrorists hit as few as nine hubs, you could take out the entire U.S. grid. Nine targets would take out the U.S. grid. And you can do an EMP, you know, some sort of weapon over the country and fry the shit out of it.

People don't know this. I can never remember the name, but there was an event in 1859 where a solar flare hit us hard. And it wiped out the telegraphs. Now, telling us, it must have been cables, you know, this big. It must have been like half inch copper cables at that point. And it tried it. It was a solar flare. So we get a hit with another one of those.

It doesn't have to be the Chinese or Russians. And boy, we just lost every computer. So you ought to be prepped. People ought to have some food in their basement, some canned. You know, I bought stuff that I said, look, if I don't eat this, I can feed it to the dogs like chili. You know, I have Boston Terrier. So feeding a Boston Terrier chili is almost a fatal move.

So. Well, appreciate you giving me some time today, Dave. I appreciate it. These are fun chats. We've covered the gambit today. I mean, we've gone all over the place. But regardless, I appreciate you hopping on and doing this with me. me, man, I don't know, I guess maybe, maybe I'll put it this way.

You know, when you're looking at 2024, what do you see coming? You know, it doesn't matter, you can pick whichever realm you want, you know, you can, you can pick the financial sector, you can pick, you can pick, you can pick World War, you can pick what, you know, when you look at 2024, what do you, what do you see coming? What are you looking at? Well, I can, I can bullet this. I think the social justice guys lose ground. I think we've all had enough of those clowns.

I believe what started, my writing started as economic writing, and then it became political because economics and politics. The Venn diagram of those two is pretty serious. I wrote up a case for a 40-year bear market, which I think is actually a well-thought-out case for why the last 40 years was an unimaginably positive window that cannot possibly be repeated. And again, it's my pin tweet if you want to read about it. But the markets will not, the next 40 can't be as good as the last 40.

It just can't possibly be. In fact, one could argue there's a net sort of six or seven percent market swing in our future per year over the next 40 years. It might not happen over 40, right? Who knows the time course of it, but there's a huge correction in our future, enormous one that will knock the wind out of the boomers and all the investors. We will have a correction that will demoralize people. It won't just be one that hurts. Now I've got to buy again and now I'm buying hold still.

We will have one that demoralizes people on it. And that requires time, not price. So we're going to have a correction. I think that if you had to find an analog, the NICA might be good. The U.S. 1967-81 where inflation adjusted, we lost 75%. And it took 14 years. That demoralized investors. That's what then creates the beginning of the next positive era.

And I think we have a big one coming. But it won't be necessarily big explosions. It'll be this slow rotting process. It'll be a corpse. I think it'll be uninvestable. And I think it, something, maybe not it, because it is not a thing, it's a process, but something I think has already started. The jobs numbers are starting to weaken.

I just saw a plot put out by Jeff Gunluck, who's the best bond trader in the world that showed that the cost of owning a house just doubled because of the interest rates. It was a beautiful plot, which means, therefore, you either have to find twice as much, money, which you can't because we all just have jobs, or the price of houses have to cut in half. And so right now, the buyers and sellers aren't meeting in the marketplace. The sellers don't want to sell cheaper, and the buyers don't want to buy at these prices. And so there's just a stalemate. It's a necrotic market.

So I think we're going to hit a crisis. You can't raise rates the way they did. All the corporate debt is all short-term rolling over debt. And I think the assumption the Fed has magic bells and whistles and levers they can pull and save the day, that was the last 40 years. I think the next 40 years, those things will simply not work. The era of the B-bounce, you know, the quick dip, rapid recovery, back in the saddle, everything's cool. Why did we worry? I think that error is over.

I think it's just going to be grind out making goods and services. and don't plan on making much money investing. I think it'll be impossible to invest easily. There will be winners. Edward Chancellor's book, The Price of Time, is a beautiful treatise on why we're in trouble. This is every time interest rates get to 2%, there's a crisis every single time.

Well, Europe got to negative. We got to real rates for negative. And so we have a crisis covered. And the fact that the four banks was south in early 2023, it got saved, doesn't. It's like an it's like an avalanche, right? You look up and you go, there's so much snow that's built up up there. I don't know when it's going to go, but I wouldn't ski up there. I wouldn't go on that slope.

You'll be a stat pretty fast if you do. Or an earthquake. Say, well, we haven't under earthquake in California in a hundred years. You go, well, there's a lot. there's a famous quote about sometimes the fact that something has not happened as cited as evidence that it won't happen when in fact it's the prerequisite for it to be imminent.

I can't remember exactly who it was, but it's useful to know. So the absence of a forest fire, you know this drill. The absence of a forest fire in an area means that you're now ripe for a forest fire. The brush builds up, you know, clean it out. And so I think that,

I think the global economic system is heading for a serious pain, and it's going to be global. And I think it's going to be a problem in both the bond market and the stock market, which that is rare. So in 0809, when the pain was whacking away at us because the S&P was dropping, your bond portfolio was rocking. So if you were 60-40, you got the end of the year, you go, that was painful, but it wasn't excruciating because your bonds did well. And the next one's going to be bonds down, stocks down, paying up, I think. And I could be wrong. And I'm in a minority. I know some smart guys who totally agree with this few.

But, you know, the fact that it matters when we're at all-time highs, all-time highs represents a pinnacle of optimism, right? If the price of the market reflects your optimism for the future at some level. There's an odd lurking pessimism, so this one's a little odd. This is not a year 2000 euphoria. These are all-time highs that don't seem to have people euphoric. Now, if the boomers' portfolios get cut in half and everyone else, you know, job losses, you name it, all the things that go with it, Normally we enter periods like that from a top, which is euphoric or optimistic or whatever. And so your attitude erodes as it takes place.

We are starting from a point where we're pissed off. So it goes down from here. And I keep coming back to COVID story. They blew the COVID story so bad. I keep blind to say this. I keep getting, I'm a tangential thinker. they blew it so badly that I think the populace is not going to I think I think they're not going to believe the bullshit I think they're going to um the next time someone tries to dupe them they're going to say no not again I don't think things are going to work I think and I think the distrust is going to leak into places where it shouldn't be where someone's trying to tell you look we have a problem and you're going to go you lied to me I don't know what to say to you you lied about Ukraine you lied about You lied about the Middle East.

You lied about COVID. You lied about the laptops. You lied about the elections. We're done listening to you. Now it'll be the boy who cried wolf. Hey, there's a wolf. It's like, sorry. Then the kid gets eaten.

So I think we're entering that phase. It could be ugly. I think I've had this thesis that I wonder if maybe World War III becomes a global civil war, where it's like Arab Spring globally. Look at all the protests. and all the major cities in every country in the world. Everywhere. The Palestine, that's why Israel Palestine is such a complicated story.

I had this exchange with this Jewish Hedgehog manager the other night. And we were, we were both exchanging the horror with which anti-Semitism has not only become prevalent, which was creeping in already, but how people are saying things that you wouldn't have believed they would say in polite company are just hateful things and on college campuses and stuff you go you never would have heard that maybe you're a late and anti-semite but you would have stayed late now it's just open and i just don't know it just seems like someone's stirring the pot on purpose I would argue it's the globalist.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, at this point, you go, is somebody stirring the pot? Yes. Like, yes. Well, if you had to bet someone is or someone isn't, you'd have to go with it. You'd go with yes. I mean, at this point, the last four years has taught me they're trying to stir the pot all the time.

They're trying to create divisions in countries. and then all the way down to the smallest sense, right? And all the way to the family. You know, I bet you you have former friends who aren't friends anymore because you just can't even be together now. I find my lately, honestly, I don't know why I'm become, I'm like, I'm pretty easy going guy. I mean, you want to sit and tell me why COVID was, you know, we. saved lives. COVID is now no longer the hot topic because I think people are sheepishly going, well,

you know, I kind of thought. But so that's no longer as a fight. Yeah. And it's probably a poor example. But like for the most part, I'm pretty easy going when it comes to anyone exposing their views to me. Yeah, sure. Okay.

But I found lately I've been, I'm a bit touch aggressive right now. Like I just like, and I don't know why that is. And I just can't figure out of it. You know, it's like, like, I just look around and all the stuff going on in Canada, you know? Canada is a problem for me too because you guys, I think of you guys is just hockey players with a good heart. Well, the thing is, is in the middle of COVID.

It's, I used to do this and isn't that bad. It's over, it's, you know, like, it's, it's in Calgary. It's not here. Oh, no. And then, and then eventually you just got to stop saying it isn't that bad. It's pretty bad. It's like, you know, the, the, the, the, the, what's going on in schools? Is it that bad?

Well, is it in every school? Well, no, no, I'm sure it is not in every school. school and I do not think every teacher is some awful human being. But, I mean, to say it isn't that bad. Hmm. You know, we had a A to Z sex cards given out to a grade nine school in, uh, um, small town Saskatchewan. And they say words, A, anywhere.

Staggering. Anywhere that makes no sense. And some of the words, I'm like, I grew up in a hot, in a dressing room. Let me tell you, some of the conversations that happened in a hockey dressing room, you know, you know, like I'm, I'm, I'm not too, uh, sheepish. There's words in there. Cheapish. Just this week, they had, you know, and they just apologized.

Oh, sorry for, you know, whatever. But it was a, it was a gender switch day. So you're supposed to dress as the opposite sex. And so then, you know, our men's group got talked about it. Well, back when we were kids, we had opposite day, didn't we? And then the next day I said, yeah, but you never dressed as a woman. Opposite was more like you wear your clothes inside out or you wear your hat backwards. You don't dress as the opposite sex.

Like, what are we doing? And so, like, we keep, oh, it isn't that. bad. It's like, I think where I'm at right now, and why I'm probably getting so just like, annoyed is it is that bad. We're giving out fentanyl. We have made coming down to mature miners. We have, you know, like here in May, if we don't get out of it, you know, we're going to sign on to a treaty that allows the WHO to dictate what Cannes is going to do in the next pandemic. And you're like, like, like that, that sounds like a great. Dave, doesn't that sound like a great idea? That sounds like a, gee, folks, that sounds like a great. idea. And then you go, why isn't everybody like marching and getting upset about it and like causing a stir? Well, I don't know. Maybe, you know, like, listen, I'm a hockey guy. Emerton Oilers, you know, at the time of recording this, I think we're, we're 14 and we've won the last 14. It's like, it's great. It's great. I hope they, I hope they break the record. Like, I do.

But I also think like, Frick, we better wake some people up here. And I, and, you know, At the same token, I... That's why we keep talking. That's right. And that's what I keep doing. And so my anger is, you know, that's where I'm at. I'm just frustrated because it's like, you know, in one breath, they're like, ah, isn't that bad, Sean?

It's like, isn't that bad? Look at COVID, you bunch of morons. And I'm not talking, like, I'm act like I'm talking to my audience. I'm not. My audience is phenomenal. It's just like there's a segment of society that are good human beings and are asleep at the wheel. And keep going. I have to speak up.

Now, I'm for, so, so I had to get vaccinated or lose my job. And I wasn't ready to give up my job. So I got vaccinated. I waited to make sure that it wasn't a guaranteed death sentence. Really? It might have been. Yeah, it might have been. I don't know.

Well, I'm the biggest breadwinner in the family, my extended family, including my kids, by a country mile. And so, so the idea of giving up the real breadwinner job in the family. So one of my sons is a violinist, right? He's not rich. The other's doing okay, but three grandchildren, you know, that sort of thing. And so I said, look, I'm not willing to give up this job yet based on a theory that this could be bad. And as a scientist, I did have sort of this faith that they were trying to get it right. That turns out not to be true, right? That was the assumption that was wrong. But I also knew that if I was defiant, that there were people on campus who probably would love to take the opportunity to get me out. They go, oh, we have them now. So I took the vaccine. Nothing happened.

I may have taken 10 years off my life. I don't know. I also have a bit of a fatalistic view of life. I go, look, if it sucks and sucks, I'm done. And so if I had some disease that was too painful, I say, give me 15 volume. I'm heading to the light. This sucks. So the only thing I worry about is staying.

healthy to take care of my wife who's got health problems. And then I was in this doctor's Zoom group and there's, I said, look, I'm going to have to boost. And they're going, no, you can win. You can, no, no, no, no, you can beat them. I said, I don't want to spend the next 10 years in court. And you're telling me to now give up my job after taking two that had no effect on me. So now I've got data supporting the idea that the boost is not crazy. Now, what we now know about COVID is that that might have been flawed, right?

That there's a nonlinear addativity of the boost. So I might have chopped a watt off my life. The thing that might be saving me is that unlike you, I don't play hockey three days a week. I can have my own carditis. And the only thing it's not doing is it's not causing me out of a heart attack on the root. And you've had, you've had, you've had, you've had three shots. I've been three, yeah. What if they came to you, Dave, and said, you need to have another one.

No, now I'm done. At that point, I'd go to war. At this point, I would. I've, I've crossed. And I won't do disease acts and I'm now an anti-vaxxer. But you're going to be faced with the same choice. You're going to have. No, I know, but it's, it's X years later, X salaries later.

If you knew how much I was paid, you'd be impressed and you'd realize that I made a lot of money, by taking that risk. So when I harp on the LPGA tour, women, you know, saying I might lose a sponsor. That dude who won a tournament this week, right. Well, and there was a video that came out of a lady who talked to a few, but, you know, wouldn't name names, and fair enough. Just saying, like, women don't want to come out and talk about it

because they're worried if they do, they will be attacked. And they will be attacked. I mean, April Hutchinson here in Canada is a perfect example. And so they go, why risk everything when, you know, I could stay quiet and still continue to make my lifestyle? Here's where I defend them. One is, here's what's different. Getting, getting the Vax or knocking the Vax was based on incomplete data. And so the decision to knock it faxed and sort of potentially chuck everything away, it could be Y2K.

Y2K hurt me in that sense. I thought I understood what was coming and I was just wrong. Now, there was still risks, so I was right in that sense. But the fact that there was not a single computer anywhere in the world that seemed to have a hiccup showed me that no matter how much my sort of ample deductive reasoning can be applied, you can get it dead wrong. And I'm doing things not only for me but for my family. So I had to make a family-based choice.

And so again, I'm not afraid of dying. That's not the issue. The question is, what's the best path for my family? And so I made what I think was the best choice. I don't look back and say, you idiot. Now, the problem is that if you speak up and you're in some sport and you're making 20K a year, but you're getting 200K of endorsements and you will lose it all. And then you say, okay, then you say, and it will have.

have no effect. It's like there is the sort of live to fight another day logic, right? Running at machine gun nests often doesn't serve any purposes. So you want to be, you want to be astute about it. So I am sensitive. Now, I think when the head of a major organization just puts out a baldface lie, that I have a real problem with. But I think you do have to calculate what are you going to get out of it?

What are you going to achieve or is it just a senseless sacrifice? And right now, they should, at some level, leave with the guys like me to speak up and get people more aware of the issue, which I don't have something. Well, Cornell could try to fire me, but I don't think it's going to happen. So there's plenty of people who could speak up, ex-Olympic athletes who have nothing to lose. They should be speaking up. When there's a problem having to do with women that men don't have a say. It's one of those.

But the thing is, Dave, this is my thought on it. Everybody has something to lose. Even if it isn't financial, by using your voice, you have something to lose because people will treat you different. You asked if I lost friends through COVID. And I actually sit here and one of the things that I find intriguing is there's pretty much every guest who came on and was outspoken or didn't believe the COVID hysteria lost a lot of friends. And I sit here and I'm, I kind of feel like I'm a little bit of anomaly. I haven't lost any of my friends who got vaccinated. I disagree with them on a lot of different things.

But I think disagreement is healthy because I think you can have blind spots if you don't talk to other people. but when we just focus on the only thing that you can lose or motivate is financial, right? So you go like the LPGA tour. I don't think they should be the only one step up. I think everybody should stand up. I don't think it's the only thing you can lose. But if you retire and then you go, well, I won't lose the sponsors and everything else. It's like, well, sure, but you come out and start speaking out when you're retired.

You're going to lose some friends. Like you're guaranteed. maybe your wife or or your your kids or something don't agree with you you're going to you're going to feel that that that right there is just as difficult as losing the money so i guess where i said as i go we all have a choice no matter what stage of life we're in and right but you have to statistically wait the various pros and cons it can't be an absolute scale so so we all compromise in various ways that some seem very minor. You know, a colleague once said, he said something I thought was stupid.

And I said, I probably shouldn't have gone there. It was not a social thing. It was, I think, a bad idea, something to do professionally. He says, well, I don't lie. I said, well, if your wife's ass is getting fat, do you tell her she's fat? He said, well, now when I go, so you do. Right. There are degrees.

And so you kind of have to weigh the pros. and cons and some of it's loss of your soul and some of it's some of it's not what i won't do is senseless self-sacrifice if i've got so while i was the other thing that was going through my head was look dave you're fighting every fight you're battling every you're going against all the forces i'd you know i was battling everyone and and there's this little voice in my head that says maybe for this, you should just do it for the team. There was this sense that, you know, you don't have to fight everything. And maybe this is the time when you should say, look, against my better judgment, I'm going to, I'm going to do it. And so I think that was in

my head. And all the while questioning the vaccine publicly. So at no point did I sell the vaccine or support the vaccine or sell the lockdown or any of that stuff. I oppose. Now, the lockdown actually made sense at first. I wouldn't stop what you're doing, right? Assess. Figure out what's going on. Let's see we can, let's see we, you know, 14 days to flatten the curve that turned into, you know, 40 years of totalitarianism. And so, so, but it made sense to me at the time. I had, we had to decide whether to have a recruiting weekend for the grad students. I said, no, we probably ought to, we ought to cancel it. And at one point, I tweeted something like that they canceled the American Chemical Society meeting. And I said, I tweeted about it and I said, no one wants to sponsor the meeting of death. Right. And an elite, elite biomedical journal called Stats used by tweet in an article about the response to COVID. But there were times where it paid to just drop back and assess. And at that point, Fauci did not look like the bad guy. And then people hammer Trump for why didn't he get rid of Fauci?

I said, we had deified him. He's battling all these political forces. You want him to fire the guy. We've tainted him out as Mother Teresa, the biomedical community. He couldn't fire the guy. And they say, well, why didn't he pardon all the people in January 6th? I go, he wasn't president when they got indicted. You got to use your brain better than that, right?

You can't be that stupid. He was frustrated like 14 more days. Maybe there's such a thing as a blanket indictment, but it would also be, without having time to assess, there might be guys who deserve to go to jail. So hindsight's easy. But I've never looked back and felt I've made the wrong decision. Whenever I make a big decision, here's advice I give to young people.

When you make a big decision, Ask yourself if it goes very bad, will I forgive myself? That's the question. So you get married. You have kids. Whatever. Ask yourself if it turns out badly, was the decision made sense sound data, sound reasoning, investing, you name it.

There's all sorts of times where that comes in. And if someone wants me to buy Bitcoin, and I got to go big or not bother. And I ask if it goes bad, well, I forgive myself, the answer is no. Because it doesn't, it's got trappings of a scam. And so I can live without it.

I'll forgive myself for missing it. I couldn't forgive myself for losing a lot of money buying it. So that's what, that's for my bid. I bought gold back in 1999 when it was 270 to 290. It's a serious amount. That was tough. That was real tough.

And I couldn't even see how to go that bad. It had been pounded for so long. But it was painful for about a year waiting for at the bottom. But I've done pretty well with it. And so when I do investing decisions, so staying in the market, I wouldn't forgive myself. It went bad. I get out.

Getting out, if it takes off on me, I can forgive myself. So, well, say it again, appreciate you hopping on. You know, um, we once again have covered an awful lot here in,

uh, I don't know, you think, you think a two hour window is a long period of time and then you, you, you, you podcast on this side as much as I do and it's, it's a friendly conversation and it goes by fast.

So I hope, uh, at some point in the future, we'll get to continue our conversation day. Anytime you want. Scheduling is always a challenge. I've got a one podcast a day rule and it's getting hard. This time of year is brutal for me.

This is a, this is podcast season for me. And, and at one point I had someone, I broke the rule and went with two. And then some prominent podcast was trying to get me to break it again and go for three the same day. And I said, I'll be a zombie. These are exhausting. By the time I'm done, I won't even know what I said in which podcasts. You know, I'll be repeating myself. Well, we'll let you out of here.

I appreciate you, appreciate you doing this and opening up your thoughts here. on the podcast. Keep in touch. So you're on Twitter, is that right? Correct. What is your Twitter feed? It is S. Newman podcast, I believe. Okay. You've been a big Twitter hound? Well, I follow a lot of people, right? To the listener... Oh, we follow each other. Maybe I just did that. No, no, we follow each other. Twitter, Twitter, I cultivate between my audience and a whole bunch of people on there. I constantly cultivate different guests because you can follow along with what they're saying and doing and writing and how they interact with different people and their ideas. And it's wonderful. Like, you know, and through COVID, I mean, I couldn't find anyone.

Yeah. The other funny thing about podcasts is there's people who wouldn't give you the time of day. but if you say, would you do a podcast? They go, yeah, sure. What is the difference, right? But I see people, and I hear the guests they got, and I go, how did you vote that person? But I once had this funny exchange with a hedge fund manager

who we got to know each other. Then we started playing golf together. And he said, you can get the people I can't get to. And I said, how is that possible? And he said, because you're a professor. And I go, that's correct. because everyone of consequence in the big world we live in, almost all of them had a professor as an authority figure in their lives at one point. So I've almost never been denied a little bit

of discussion time. And I've had discussions with former secretary, treasury and energy, and you name it. And so on this side, I would say that as being media, you can work your way into certain circles that normal people probably wouldn't get access to. And as your following grows, right, people who write a book, what do they want to do? They've got to do in the media circuit, right? So if they write a book, do they hawk their book? Do they hawk it on, you know, up here, CBC? Maybe.

But more and more people are turning to the alternative sphere of podcasting, right? Like, look at how many people go on Rogan now. And what do they always got? Oh, they got the new book. I want to get on Rogan. I keep pumping that. I've had a few exchanges with him. And then now he's totally off Twitter in terms.

Very rarely does he go to it. And supposedly my resume is on his desk on his talent scout's desk. And I keep thinking, you know, I think I can beat some of those octagon fighters that you have. And I think I make it more interesting than that. And yeah, that's that. then I can quit podcasting that I've I've I've reached Nirvana to get on Rogan but there's a whole bunch of us waiting to get on Rogan I'd say I know I know and I said to someone you must know the other podcast I think it was Marty Bent I said I said his star has

risen faster than my star that's the problem I'm losing ground here so well I appreciate you appreciate you hopping on doing this thank you very much