Shaun Newman Podcast - #582 - Daniel Bulford

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

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eight years on the emergency response team in Ottawa where his primary duties were supporting the protection of the prime minister. He also testified in the public order emergency commission. I'm talking about Daniel Bulford. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. We're going to get right into it this morning. I'm joined by Danny Bulford. So Dan, thanks for, uh, I don't know, man, making the trip. It's good to see you. Hey, I'm super pumped about this. First time I've ever done an in-person podcast. And I've done, I've been on a lot of interviews. So I'm, I'm happy to be here. Yeah. Well, I mean, um, for the audience, I don't think you're any stranger, uh, you know, if you're just joining in now, you've been on multiple, multiple,

multiple times, you know, and as I say that, for the audience member, if I had my phone, I'd pull it up, but I'll maybe post it in the show notes, what, what episodes you're on, but like, you know, you go right back to before the, the convoy ever happened, and certainly after that, because there's been a whole lot going on. So, appreciate you making the tour out to Lloyd Minster. I've been, I've been wanting this for a long time, you know, like, I don't know if I feel kindred spirit or something, but it's like we've known each other a little longer than, you know, then the conversations would say and we've never met in person so that, well, I shouldn't say that. We've met once in person. Yeah. I met Danny Bolford once, him and his wife, on the, the streets of

Ottawa one time. And I think there was probably a night or two after that way where we ran into each other, but I don't recall it. So I remember the once. Maybe one other time, but very briefly. We never really had much opportunity to actually like hang out or visit or anything. So, So, yeah, definitely a feeling of familiarity there, like a kindred spirit, like you said. Well, before we get too far down the rabbit hole, one of the things we've been doing this year is we've been giving people a little something for coming all this way. And so first, a shirt, a hat, and then I'll let you open the little. I had them out folks to the book club. So the book club got to, he got to sit and talk with the notorious book club, the, I don't know.

I talked, once upon a time, I was getting poked about men's groups and book clubs. People were laughing at me how many times I talked about it, right? And I just thought it very important. Regardless, Harley spilled the beans on. Yeah, he let it out of the bag a little bit, but I didn't know exactly what it was, but that's amazing. Yeah, so that's a silver gold bowl, a one ounce silver coin. And so anyone who's been making their way from a far end, you certainly fit the bill. You've come a long way to come in studio.

It's just a little bit of, you know, appreciation for making the trip and journey all this way. That is awesome. I love the design too. Yeah, it's funny. I said this the first time. We've done this now several times. But normally it would be a bowl, right? Like on the front of your bag, it's got the silver gold bowl logo.

So that's what it should be, but they were out of stock. So instead it's, I think it says Liberty, you can read it off what it says. Yeah, it, uh, Liberty with a indigenous man's head on the one side and with the, the feathers and the hair and everything. And then on the backside, it's a bison. And I just, I don't know, I'm, I'm more and more fascinated about, like, indigenous people's traditions and their story, right? because I, uh, I only really know what I learned in school.

And when I was in the RCMP, we had to take like, part of our training was indigenous awareness type training. Like there was multiple courses on that, but I question everything that I've ever learned now. So I think, uh, I'd like to speak to people more directly now who've actually lived it. And that's how you get a, I, that's how I find you get a bitter. understanding of what the story actually is, not just what is portrayed textbooks and online courses. And it's, um, it's exciting and also nerve-wracking to understand that like, well, I pretty much got to evaluate everything in the world all over again, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, I mean, it can, it can become all-consuming. I've been there. I've done that.

And I think you need to find a way that's sustainable because real life doesn't stop, right? You still need to be part of, you still need to be with your family. You still need to make a living. All of those things keep going. And so there was a period after the convoy for about three months where I was deep diving a variety of things because I had heard so much of, so much about so many different topics that I had never really paid attention to before. And at about the three month mark, I kind of just like snapped out of it one day. And I was like, I've spent three months learning to just question everything, which I probably knew already.

And now I'm three months behind the eight ball on getting my house on the market and selling my house and getting out of here. So it's good to be aware. but it will consume you if you're not careful. And that's not healthy. I found that out firsthand. I, um, the way my brain works, maybe I'm wrong on this. But like, Alex Jones. Yep.

Can you watch them? Certainly. Should you watch them? Probably. Should you watch them every single day, every waking minute? I thought, I'm like, I can't live in that world. I just can't live. But on the flip side, should you watch CNN?

Probably, I would argue, not that much. But should you never watch it? I also probably wouldn't argue that either, but I don't want to live in their world either. And you've got to live in the world. You've got to take a step out your front door and like, you know, you got kids. I got kids.

You got to see the hurricane that is the Newman household last night. You know, and sometimes you just got to put it all away and just go enjoy life. Like that's actually probably the thing most of us should do more often. Because, you know, I think, you know, when the Freedom Convoy happened, I think a lot of us thought, okay, we're on the right track and yet here we are now, two years past it.

Mm-hmm. And certainly have some things gotten better? Sure. Mm-hmm. But we were just, you know, talking about James Sauri, 10 months in jail. You know, you got the coupes for still in jail. You got, you know, different court cases going on about things that are just like ridiculously stupid, right?

It just doesn't make any sense. These things, and it's going to continue to go on. probably has for all of time. And we're just starting to realize that. So you have to go about your daily life and be around your family. And, you know, I'm reading your shirt, God, family country, right? Like, you got to start to put things in perspective. And then deal with some of the things that, you know, you're, you're pulling on the little string and, and see where it leads.

Well, yeah. So in reference to the shirt, like, this was, this is actually a non-negotiable. Same with a hat, non-negotiable brand. He, um, former York, York, uh, York, uh, York regional cop, I think. Okay. And his wife. So he left, he quit. He left his job as well because of mandates and his wife got fired as a pediatric nurse because

of mandates. And so I've kind of developed a bit of a relationship with them. And, uh, when I saw this hoodie that they had made, it really resonated with me because who is it? Um, Mike Rapson. I was on his podcast recently. Interesting. Yeah.

he he's a solid dude. I like him a lot. Yeah. Well, he's got a he's got a shirt that I'm like, that makes sense. And he and he's got a company called non-negotiable. I'm like, I get it. Yeah. So I, the reason this one resonated the most with me out of all of their, out of all of their merch was there was an old saying from a supervisor I used to have saying if you have 10 priorities, you have none. And it's just too much, right? If you're trying to do too much all the the time, you don't do any of it really well. And so I've always tried to focus, or well, since learning that lesson, I try and focus on like, what are my top two, three priorities? Like, that's what I'm going to try and focus my energy on. And so for me, right now, this journey I've

been on, which I'm very open to talk about, you know, God has become a major part of my life. And so I'm constantly trying to figure out how can I be close to. to him and how what am I supposed to do in this life that is in service to him to his plan for me. And then of course, that's all interconnected with my family as well, right? So and then my country, I've had a really, I've had a real roller coaster relationship with my country the last few years. But it's not about an imaginary land border and with the name Canada. like we talked about this morning, it's about the people that are in it. And I'll be frank, there was lots of times the last few years where we thought about and even planned to leave the country and go try and make a life somewhere else.

But something just didn't feel right. And I ultimately, I felt like there's too many people that I love and care about in Canada, whether it's the people that we left behind in the Ottawa Valley or are like relatives and friends from Alberta. I would feel like a coward if things went really bad in Canada and I wasn't here to help. And that was ultimately what kind of motivated me to do what I did speaking out publicly and being part of the convoy. It's like, this is a lie. Everything they're doing is based on lies. People are dying as a result of it. If I don't say or do something, I will feel like a coward. And I will hate myself. So to, I guess to bring it back, like my country isn't just the landmass that is called Canada.

It's the people that I care about that live here. Now, we were talking a lot about a lot about, because first, the thought of leaving here, I can't speak for the listener, but if you've had that thought and I've had that thought, a lot of us had that thought. Many people, many people have left. And many people have left. Yeah. No people at the life.

left. And so you go, it's not like this random thought. So then you go, okay, so where do you go? You know, I actually got a guy coming on here in February that's going to talk about some of the, you know, uh, taxes and, and, and, you know, how you get a passport and has it that hard and nomad capitalist? Uh, expat money. Expat. Okay, but same idea. Same idea. Yeah. Guy from Ontario though. Okay. And the idea is just, you know, like if people want to go, let's not make it this big fear mongering thing let's just you know it's a list of things and we'll just figure it but like the more I stare at it and the more people I've listened to and the more people I've seen leave and come back and say something similar to you go it's deeper than that it's deeper

than just getting out of a country and going somewhere and starting a new that is a big task I don't look at that lightly and I don't think anyone should. And so then you go, okay, so if you were to leave, what would you want? You want community, don't you? I don't know. Like I just, I think about it and I go, I got three young kids. I want them to be safe. Yeah.

Well, what keeps them safe? Family, community, people looking out for them, looking out for the innocence of children. Yeah. Right? And so then you go, okay, well, where can you find that? well, where you're sitting today, is it perfect? No. But in our world, it's, there's probably some places I don't know about that probably could teach me a lot. But from what I've seen out of Canada, I don't know of a better spot than where you're sitting right now.

Well, I, you know. And that's, and that's to say because then there's Lucrete. And I think, you know what, folks? Lecrete could teach us all something. And I'm just very biased to where I'm from. Yeah. Are there places in Canada and specifically Alberta, Saskatchewan, Western Canada, they could probably teach me if they're there too.

I've already seen and heard. And so yes. And I'm trying to learn that because wherever I go, that's what I want. You want community. Yeah. Well, the two places that I've felt safest in Canada, the last few years, was at the Bikers Church in Ottawa. right in Vanier.

And that's because of the community there. And they were a source of strength for us during our darkest hour. And then when I came home, because, excuse me, I have skills from my previous career in my training, but not nearly as much as I would like as far as like survival. Whereas I come back. to Northern Alberta where my my dad is and well not just my dad but like my family and my wife's family no matter how bad things get that is my best chance for me and my family like plenty of resources and knowledge about how to survive especially between my dad and my wife's dad

you know like I and I know that I can always count on them no matter what, no matter how bad the situation gets, they will not abandon me and my family. And so that was, I remember when I rolled into when Piper and I made the drive across after we sold our house and left Ontario, the very first person that met me at my, when we rolled into the, like the homestead where I grew up was my dad. and when he gave me a big hug I just broke down because I was like I know I'm safe I know my kids are safe because of him and my father-in-law it's um sorry to be so heavy so quick no I don't think it's just being real or authentic or whatever word you want attach to it it's funny when emotion strikes us right like I always find that peculiar I was I was telling you some things last night and you know I just like to To me, sometimes the motion that grabs at me is wild times. Like I just, like, you know, I don't know, beauty of life, I guess.

You know, the abandoning thing, we were talking about that. You haven't, and I've probably talked about this with you before, right? But like, one of the things out west here and having, you know, you get to meet them, you know, I had this group around me that in my darkest days would always give me a little bit of a shoulder to lean on and just be like, oh, dust yourself off. and let's move on to the next thing and, and, you know, and let's argue about things and everything else when we had this. But other people didn't, you know, and you were in Ottawa, arguably the belly of the beast folks.

And you've talked about, I think, just like how everybody turned their back on you. It's just a wild thing to talk about because it's like just wild times in our country. To think going across it and getting back to Alberta that, you know, You know, you're like, now we're safe. Yeah. To think that out in Ottawa that you were facing imminent danger for you and your family. Is it just almost a hard concept and an easy concept all at the same time. Well, you know, I think a lot of people who didn't make the same choices or live through the same experience,

they would think that that was ridiculous to hear me say that. but there was many times where I was in my own head thinking like is the OPP going to come for me right because that's who policed the town I lived in and I'm like I even thought to myself is my own team going to come for me one day and then I kind of caught myself and I'm like no they'll send the OPP true because they're they're not a conflict of interest and that was like and then I kind I caught myself again. I'm like, am I really thinking these thoughts? Like, but there was a legitimate fear and I heard it everywhere and I still hear it today. People were legitimately afraid that public health was going to come door to door with the police and you get an ultimatum.

Basically, you take the shot or you go to quarantine camp. That was a legitimate fear. And a lot of people, I, everywhere I go, I've been all across Canada. and when I meet people, and these aren't like cringy people, these are smart, successful business people. I've had it happen multiple times. They recognize me and they break down crying, men, women, and they say, you guys saved us from camps. That was a real legitimate fear. And so that's what I mean when I say about like, I felt safe at the Bikers Church and with those people,

I knew that they would never give me up. And that's how I felt when I got home. You know, in the Bikers Church, and we were just talking this morning, I've never had anybody on from the Bikers Church. So obviously, unless if you're, if you tune into this, we got to, we got to get you on because, um, uh, that's been long overdue because I've heard the, the, the tales and the counts and everything, you know, all the places I didn't go in Ottawa during my time was the Biker's Church.

I've never been. And so I've heard all these wonderful stories. about the people there and I've never, I've never been. They are the, they're the best of us. And I don't know where we would have been if it wasn't for them coming into our life right when we needed them the most. It wasn't an accident. That was, that's been part of my faith journey for sure.

And, um, yeah, Rob and Melissa and not, and everyone, Hillbilly, Nelia. I could go on and on the list is pretty long. Well, I think they are the people from that church and that community, they do so much good. They have rescued so many people. Like I would joke, right? You know, Melissa always teases me. Or we had teased back and forth because like, you know, I everyone thinks all sniper, you know, tactical guy. Like it's all cool and Gucci.

And I was like, yeah, but I never got to rescue one single hostage out of everything I ever wanted to do in my career. You know, I got to take down drug dealers and hunt cop killers and I got to do counterterrorism work. I got to travel overseas and work, I do protective work in Africa and Papua New Guinea and, you know, sounds super cool, right? But I always felt unsatisfied because I never got to rescue a legit hostage. And I, so that's a conversation I had with Melissa one day and I'm just like, you rescued way more hostages. than I ever have because it's like the, so many people are held hostage by their own mind, right? And their own, their own addiction and their own problems.

And those people at the Bikers Church, man, they have healed. And I would love to hear Melissa's comments on this. So she, if she's listening and she's yelling at the radio right now, that's good. Because I used to think it was your own mind. And I was telling you about Frank Pretti last night. Yeah. I just, I don't know, like, certainly it plays out. as your own mind. But I'm like, I think people get holds hostage by like,

dark forces. Dark forces. Yeah. And I'm totally open to that. And so that, and so that plays through the mind. I'm not sitting here, um, but like to me, uh, when you talk about rescuing people, I, I totally get it, right? You know, um, I feel like COVID. Mm-hmm. All right. There was, we were talking last thing. You can, so many people have been pointing out to me about Joe Rogan, uh, Sean Ryan. Um, Russell Brandt was another one last thing. And they would probably argue Sean Newman, you know, if they're listening to this, right? Like so many of us came through COVID, nothing makes sense.

And the harder you try and make sense, the less may make sense. And it leads you closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer and closer to faith. And so, you know, when you say, I forget how you put it. So I might have to get you to put it again. Instead of focusing on 10 principles, focus on one. How did you put that right at the start of this? Yeah. if you have 10 priorities, you have none.

Correct. And so like two, three maximum, right? Like you got a, and I usually try and stick to like one or two. And because it, that, that is the only way I found to be effective to like really be productive in pursuing those two things, pursuing your top two priorities, your top values. I don't think I've figured out much in life. I think I'm relatively a moron. Like, people laugh at that. Some people are like you are.

Others are like, you're not. It doesn't matter. I personally am like, I thought I knew things. I knew nothing. But two things I think, and you just said, you know, with the priorities, if you got 10, yeah, and I'm like, yes. So people came out of that COVID stretch and went, huh, I must be focusing on the wrong thing.

And when I started this podcast, I tell this from time to time. Started out with community and sports and then, you know, and then COVID got weird. So it went to COVID and politics and then graduated into faith and, you know, and that's been a, that's been an interesting journey. And if I'd started at the start knowing where I was going to go, I'd be like, there's no way I get to the over there, right? And I think the reason God's sitting at the top of your shirt is because if you can figure that out, everything else falls into place. And nothing can touch you. Yeah.

And you have no fear. Yeah. Like the fear that I had before about like what the government was going to do or the police going to come for me. It's not there anymore. It's like come for me if you want. Right. I'm good.

And I go, if I configure out the top and I have my family with me, what else do you need? Don't get me wrong. Folks. Do we want the Sean Newman podcast to be successful? I do. Yeah. Do I want to, you know, when Tucker Carlson comes to Canada, Ammontonon?

Do I want to be the guy sitting in the back room having a conversation with him? Yes, to talk about these exact things. And I can already hear Tucker Carlson talk about it lots. He said a couple keynote speeches in different countries where I'm like, oh, he's getting it. Yeah. Right? Like I think, but that's what came through COVID. If you got through it at the end, you're like, okay, there's something else going on here.

We got to get to the bottom of that. I have transitioned from like the shock and awe of watching the, country deteriorate towards like authoritarianism to come into the realization that COVID needed to happen. All of it. Like doesn't mean I like it. Doesn't mean it was all good. Definitely not, right? It's been a real roller coaster of emotions and experience. But I was, I'll just be honest, I was in a comfort zone and I wasn't pursuing what I knew I should have been because the schedule was too good. The money was too good. The lifestyle was too comfortable. And like so I'm just speaking about myself personally. And I was totally asleep and away and asleep at the wheel about everything that was going on.

All of these. Um, let's go. I call them manufactured crisis in order to usher in more, um, like surveillance state authoritarian type control measures, right, on a global scale. I wasn't paying attention to any of that until COVID. And now, I mean, there's times where you feel overwhelmed by it and like, oh, what do we do? And the only thing I can consistently come up with is it's outside of anything I can really, I'm, I'm one small person in this world. Danny Beaufort is not going to stop the WEF, but God can. So I'm not going to put my faith in the politicians to change.

You know, I really, I'm still going to be actively engaged to hope that things can get better. But ultimately, I'm trying my very best to surrender it to God, put my faith in him, and see where it goes. How's that been going? Most of the time, it's very good. most of the time. There's other times where, you know, I still, there's still still things I struggle with. But, um, like I said, I do, I'm fairly, I'm fairly secure in my belief that this all had to happen, right? And it was all from, like my personal experience, everything that happened to me had to happen for my own growth so that I can actually fulfill my true purpose.

So I think that's why I'm having an easier time moving on than other people that I that I know and care about is because I've just gotten to that point faster than they have. They're still on that journey. Whereas I've kind of, I feel like mine has been pretty rapid, a pretty rapid transformation of being like angry and resentful and bitter, which there's still, that still pops up once in a while. I don't think it'll ever totally go away. But I'm having a much better time. Once I recognize that, doing like a little prayer or a little form of gratitude and trying to transform my mindset so that I don't just get sucked down that toxic, destructive, resentful

mindset. I don't know. I am, I talk about Frank Brady way too much on this. thing. I was blown up years last night about Frank Prady, but I read, I read Frank Prady's books. And, you know, there's going to be people that read Frank Prady's books and go, I didn't get it, Sean. I know it. Because I'm like, you know, anyone can give me a book that totally impacted their life. And the next person can read it. And they're just, you know, I think of Heraclitus, you know, no man, no river is the same, no man's the same. Because, you know, the river's constantly changing. The man's constantly changing. And so maybe the book just hit me at the appropriate time. If I'd read it before the convoy, I would have been like, hey, that was an interesting. story instead I read it like a year and a half after while I'm searching for the answers and it just plays up and the the the when you say it all had to play out it's like a 110% uh I just at times I'm like did it have to hurt so much you know like did I have to because you know I'm you

know like my story with Ottawa is I just I always I'm like just imagine back folks you know that commercial with the crash test dummy in the car and they slam it into the wall and it goes flying out. Like spiritually, that was me. It's just like, oh, what was that? Yeah. You know? And did it have to happen that way? I don't, I don't know. That's not for, I guess, me to decide, which was, was difficult at times to read in the Frank Brady novel is like how many times it has to happen. Like that they have to go through, like in the book, it's like, you know, we can't protect you right now. She has to go through. some pain or he has to or whatever.

And you're like, huh, that's a tough, that's a tough thought because, and yet, how do you grow in your faith? It's not by being sitting in, uh, the comfortable chair with your feet up and, and nothing going wrong. I mean, not that I want anything to go wrong, right? But, you know, it comes in the, the troubling times. It comes in the storm. You know, one of the things that plagues my mind right now.

And not really, not in a fear based way. Just like, I think about it a lot. lot is like, okay, there's another storm coming. I can't tell you what that is, but I know that it's going to be rough. It's going to be, and I think of ocean, and I was just saying to it under the gas, I'm like, I don't know why I always picture you the ocean, but I always picture the ocean. And I go, you, I'm going to have to steer into the waves and it's going to be rough. I mean, COVID was rough and we got through that. And if you go, that was, you know, a category, whatever storm the next one looks to be like they're going to try and make it worse not trying to say that

to scare people it's just that you know like now your eyes open you're going to see it coming and when you see it coming you're like oh man you're going to be like so many of the people that in 2020 in like February were screaming at the top of their lungs took me a full year to even admit and then it took another like three years to go like oh maybe they did see it and so I go the thing that that's I think about a lot. It's like, okay, the next storm, when it comes, how do you batten down the hatches to protect not only yourself, your loved ones, and maybe your community? And is that is, is that the extent of what you can do? Well, that's, uh, those are the big questions that I, I am constantly in conversation about.

And, um, and I, I do. I mean people all the time that think I know things I don't know. and think that I'm like dialed right into every little thing and I'm not. I, you know, I just try and reinforce like, have a simple plan that you can put into place right away. And like kind of coming back to like limit the priorities. And that's something that was a result of my training as well, right? Like we did a lot, almost everything we did was modeled on the special forces community. And so when they're planning, you know, they're talking about like speed, simplicity and surprise.

Surprise doesn't totally apply to what we're talking about here, but something that you can, like a simple plan that's in place that you can enact right away as soon as you recognize like your trigger to initiate your plan. that that will take a tremendous amount of anxiety off of you, right? So do you have food, water, shelter? Good. Can you sustain for a period of time if like the whole grid goes down or something happens? Those are things you can think about, but you don't need to live in this constant like state of panic of like the world is ending because you don't get anything productive done.

I've been there. But if it gets really bad, well, good. Then good. Like I, I almost welcome it, right? Like I think it would if a major world conflict erupts. I don't want that to happen, but at least I'll know what I'm supposed to do, right? And all that uncertainty will go out the window and I will become laser focused on what my mission is. Just like what happened during the convoy.

Like I was in the zone. I didn't need to sleep for three weeks. I barely did. But I was laser focused on what I was doing. And at no point in time did I feel like, you know, I wasn't anxious. I wasn't nervous. I was like, okay, this is my task. I have to do it and just focus. And that's, that's where I'm, I think that's where I'm at my best. Like that's when when those situations arise. And that was even true in my career, my old career. The downtime is when you start. to like you can easily spiral when you have too much downtime and you're trying to search for purpose. As soon as that purpose is there, you just laser focus on it and get the job done. And that's when I always felt my best about what I was doing. Do you have, this is, though, I don't know, do you have, have you found your purpose? Because you, you like, I feel like, I mean, I'm still, I'm still trying to figure exactly. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how that looks.

I have some ideas, but it's also, well, I'll just say, have you ever heard of the group, the Nazarene Fund? Can't say I have. Okay, so, you know Glenn Beck, Blaze Media, and Tim Ballard, Operation Underground Railroad? I know you know that.

You interviewed their operations guy. Yeah, and I'm forgetting his name right now. That's terrible. They started, so alongside OUR, they have another organization. I'm pretty sure Tim Ballard was the CEO of. I'm not sure if he's still involved. But it was founded by Glenbeck.

And they go all around the world and they do like extractions and evacuations of civilians. Of kids. Yeah, kids. And not just kids, but like persecuted people. Like the Yazidis. Yeah. They're very active in Armenia, Azerbaijan right now. And for me, coming from my background with,

like a tactical background like, man, that would be amazing. That would be my dream job, right? Go to these places with a team, go in, get the innocent people, get them out. Kind of like you heard, you probably heard Tim Kennedy on the Joe Rogan show, right? Talk about Save Our Allies. Oh, I was like hanging on every word. I was like, how do I do that? Now, it's very difficult to formulate a similar organization like that in Canada, right? Because in the United States, it's no big deal. to like buy the kind of kit and equipment that you would need. Canada's much more difficult.

But I come from a law enforcement background. And so I've looked a lot at like organizations like, oh, you are. But my big hang up that I just can't seem to get passion on is I don't want to work with law enforcement in Canada. That's my big hang up. But do you have to? Well, that's what I, that's why I gravitate more towards the Nazarene Fund because they don't. Well, I just come back to this. But that's all international work. I come back to Michael Thorpe, the guy that I'm going to have on that's going to talk about, you know, like

passports, land, money, how it works. He just, the way he talks about it is like, so don't work in Canada. Base your operation out of the United States. That's the best place to base it out of. And then work from there and go do what you got to do. Yeah, I mean, I've, and I've explored that a little bit, But I haven't, I haven't made any real progress in a meaningful way. I think because we're also like our family situation was so up in the air. Yeah. Like trying to figure out like where are we going? What are we going to live?

How do we get, you know, I need, I, I still think I need to solidify that a little bit more before I could ever like really dive into a new like business type venture. Sure. Steve. You know, I don't know if I've ever said this on the podcast. I don't know how this is going to come out. And I probably don't need to preface that. But, you know, sitting in this chair from time to time, I don't self-censor, as people know. But I am nervous of some thoughts that come percolating up. And I'm like, do I really want to say that? Which I guess is a form of self-censorship if they're ever, you know, anyways. Well, you can ask me anything. It's not asking. It's explaining something. I'm like, I'm about to explain something that I don't know if I'm going to get right, but so be it. About a year ago, got brought Jesus in my life. Yeah. It was a very uncomfortable thing to do, then to say, and now to talk about it. Still is.

And one of the things that I did is I just was like, you know, I want to interview Jordan Peterson. Really do. Everybody knows it. Yep. but for some reason, it just isn't happening. Instead, like, Frank Preddy's happening.

I don't know why those are two on opposite sides of the coins. Maybe somebody knows the answer. Maybe they have their thoughts. It doesn't matter. But I'm pulled the opposite way to the point where I no longer even think about interviewing Jordan Peterson. If it happens, it isn't because I wanted it anymore.

It's because it's supposed to, right? And I think of when you're like trying to find where you go. In my world, if you pray about it, and ask for guidance and help, things will start to align. The Frank Prandy thing is just like, for me, it just blows my mind at times because for once I can kind of see it play out.

Where I'm just like, oh, isn't that weird, right? Like, I wanted him, and all I had to do was just ask for it and all of a sudden things start to align and things are starting to, you're like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's like really cool. and I thought I was supposed to go that way. But instead I went and took the opposite way

and I got to where I wanted to get to probably faster if I just allow him to do his thing. Because he already knows which way I'm going. He knows where I'm supposed to go. But it's very uncomfortable to be like, I'm not really in control, right? Like I talk about this bloody thing. And I'm like, at times, I think I'd have a clue

of where this is heading. And other times I'm like, I have zero clue. And it's an adventure. And I told you about, you know, And I don't, you know, I guess probably why I'm hesitant is it's very personal to me. But the first time I, you know, I prayed to God, like, where I'm like, okay, is I said the words of like, you know, but can we just make it an adventure? I want it to be an adventure. What a, I mean, this is a guy that got nailed to the cross.

You, you know, Peterson talks about pick up your cross. It's like, do you actually understand what that means? And then even if you did, like the adventure to get, it's not like, it's the cross doesn't. Like, I mean, sure, you can pick up a little bit. But like the adventure of getting to where, you know, that becomes is, is an adventure? Like, is there any bigger story than Jesus Christ on the planet? No. I argue no.

Some may argue with me. That's fine. And so I guess when I hear you go and you go, you're looking for your purpose. I'm like, oh, he's got a plan. You just got a at times, you know, it takes time and breathe. And you might be shocked. I, um, I'd watch this video. about how the devil tries to, you know,

pull you away from what's important. And I look at your shirt again and it just keeps standing out to me, you know, God, family. And I said, you know, one of the things I've said lots is if the podcast takes me away from my family, I'm done with the podcast. I'm not elite, I don't. And so he, like, so it's pulling me this way.

And so I guess I don't, I don't know if I'm making any sense to you at all. But when I hear you, I'm like, oh, yeah, there's, there's something there. You just, you just got to, I learned in Kelowna this year, sometimes you just have to ask the right question. Because I was asking the wrong question as soon as I started asking the right question, all of a sudden, it just happened. And the right question was, I want to go home. And, you know, I think of Ottawa lots, I'm like, I heard me even then, too, you know? Like I was in troubled sorts back then

And I just asked the right question I want to go home I want to I don't know I can't speak for you But when I speak very clearly To what I want I'm not saying it happens immediately But it's funny over the course of time When I take a step back I'm like

Yeah I played out what a wild thing Can't get caught up in that thought too much Because you still have to You know be a part of your kids' lives and go coach hockey And all these different things but it's funny. I know, I sit across you and I come back to what I said earlier. You just feel like a kindred spirit when we ran into each other in Ottawa.

That was a special moment for me. And so, and when I sit here across from you, you know, I go, I don't know what Danny's got in store from him, but I'm like, he ain't done yet. Well, I. And if all that is is a family man, I think that's a pretty good, that's a, that's a, that's, more than a pretty good life. That's a great life. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Um, yeah, I think, uh, the thing that I have to constantly remind myself is to stop comparing myself to other people around me, like even the people that I really admire. You know, um, my brother-in-law, for example, he's an amazing man. He's another big reason why I was

able to do what I did. And he's built himself a very successful business and provided a excellent life, you know, for his family. And so I quite often think to myself like, oh, I would love to build something with my kids that I can like leave as a legacy to them. And so then I start thinking about like, oh, you know, I start trying to plan everything about what my kids are interested in, you know, like what would my son love to do? You know, like what kind of, what kind of business could we create together where me and him build something like and then I can try and foster the same relationship that my father-in-law and my brother-in-law have, right? Because you should see them together.

They don't even hardly have to speak in full sentences to each other. They just know what they're thinking. It's impressive, actually, and they're so good at everything they do. You know, I want to, I want, I want that from me and my, from my son and my kids, my daughters. And, but I know that. deep down I know that like if I try and pursue something that I'm not interested in, it's not going to turn out the same, right? They pursued things.

It seems to me that they pursued things that they love to do like farming. And I mean, they have a very, they have an oil field business as well. But I don't think that's, I don't think that's his passion. But I think it definitely helped him get to the point with his farm that he would like to be. but I don't know me I don't know if I'm making any sense but like I find that where I can get caught up in is like I want to focus on what can I do right now that will provide a like a good income for my family which can also like transition into something that I can do with my with my kids and they can take over and it can be like a family legacy kind of thing but you know, that there's, I think I have to be careful that I don't let that completely take over as the decision making process because I also know that if I'm unhappy and what I'm doing, because it's not what I'm like really lit up and really fired up about, then it's kind of that same scenario

of like, well, I'm just falling into the comfort zone and living the lie a little bit and slowly becoming resentful. And so I mean, I don't know if I'm making any sense. You're making sense. You're just rambling. You're not ral. I'm just trying to think through what I'm trying to say while not having too awkward of a long pause.

Well, you're, I guess I would love to have the same like working relationship as they have. But at the same time, if me and my son are interested in different things, then it's okay if we don't have the same, if we don't follow the same path, right? But I guess I just, when you see people that you admire and they do something extremely well together and it's obviously created like an unshakable bond between them, it's hard not to be a little bit envious of that. But do you need the thing, you know, like for you and your kids, me and my kids, do you need to have a business to have an unshakable bond?

No, I suppose not. I would say that you've taught your children something that other people really admire Danny. Yeah. Which is like when the world, when a government said no more, you stood up against said government and said you just got a smile, you know? We went either way. Like everybody, everybody remembers the video that went like viral of you being like, we went either way. And your kids are going to get to explore that conversation with you.

They get that one-on-one with you, and they don't need some business to have that. They have it. They get it every day. You're literally modeling it. I bet you if you asked your father-in-law and brother-in-law, they probably admire you the opposite way back or the same way back because of what you did for the country. And a lot of people do. And I don't have any answers for you. I just look at my kids and I'm like, one of the things, you know, of all my faults, when old-timers tell me over and over and over,

over and over again enjoy these years. No matter how many times the years, you know, you saw last night. Yeah. Oh yeah. And our youngest running like a mad man and not eating his supper and just causing havoc in the cutest possible way.

Mm-hmm. You know, it's fantastic and annoying all the same time. You're like, oh, right? But someday, some days those, those days are going to be gone. The old timers tell me it all the time. So enjoy the time. Be there. Don't be running around the world.

Be there. Because every successful person, every older generation person that I talk to, It says the same things. Like, you'll never get those years back. Yeah. And that's where you create the bonds. Yeah.

Now, can you start a business together and have, and sure, that's maybe their journey. Your journey could be the same bond just in different ways. I don't think you have to have. Hey, we run a hunting outfit. We both love it and that's our bond. The bond could be, you know, I don't know the answer. But to me, that's what I see. Like, I think you're already doing it for your children.

And my father, Harley was telling you about this, you know, and I've had him on the podcast to talk about it. Got all mad because he cried. He was, he was emotional. But like, back when we were young, he could have lost the farm. Instead, he put his head down and went to work. And so I'm bullish on being around my kids. My dad had to go away from his kids to protect everything. And it's taught me everything I'm, you know, when times get tough, put your head down and go to work.

It's like, things need to get done. Let's go to work. And that's what he taught me. And, you know, my oldest brother and him were side by side in business everywhere. Mm-hmm. And actually hardly as well, the three of them. I don't have that. But that doesn't take away the relationship of where I just sit across from my father and he's my father.

And he's taught me things that are more profound than any human being on this planet has done. Yeah. No aqua paws needed for that. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. So, well, very long conversation to just say.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I'm supposed to do. Aren't we all? But in the meantime, I'm working and living in Northern Alberta, close to family. And it's a overall a very positive thing, right? Living away for 17 years, it's, it's so different being back close to home now. And it's really nice to be close to our parents and, and the siblings as well, but, you know, it's really cool to see my kids interact with their grandparents more and spend more time with their grandparents. So like I said, everything, it all had to happen. And like, there was like a calling home, I guess.

And we're happy to have you, by the way. I know I've told you that lots. Now, I get that sentiment quite often when I, when I go to like public events and people recognize me. I always get the, oh, we're glad to have you back in Alberta. I'm like, I'm glad to be back in Alberta. Thank you. Well, I mean, um, I know it's not the, the complete majority of people that agree with everything we talk about. But, uh, when it comes to Alberta and Alberta values, Western values, I shouldn't single

I'm a Saskatchewan boy by, you know. I was born in Saskatchewan. Were you? Yep. Arcola just outside of Regina. Well, there you go. To me, Western can't. I lump Alberta, Saskatchewan together.

I think they're very similar. Very similar people. There's so many people that transplant from Saskatchewan to Alberta and now actually starting to happen the opposite way, right? And the values, it's just, it's good to have you back, right? And, you know, I don't know where the future goes.

Not that I think I need to know exactly where it goes. But it's good to have you back. It's good to, it's, it's cool that you can be on a hockey road trip, be like, hey, I'm going to come through. And I'm like, yes, I will make time for this. I will find a way to make this happen. Well, we've been talking about it forever. And I was like, I can only do so many road trips with like just life. And I'm like, well, it's not that far out of the way. I really want to get this done and just stop putting it off forever and ever. Like we, it seems like we've been putting it off for like a year. Well, at least a year. Right. And so I was like, no, I want to do this. And like I said, I've never done it in person one. Isn't this so much better?

Yeah, it is. It really is. Yeah. It's so much nicer than talking through the screen. I didn't, you know, the thing we mean, you have talked about a lot of things off air. And you're like, wherever you want to take the interview. I'm like, I don't think you, like to me, the interview will, will take a hold of where it's going to go, this one in particular. Every time I think I got a good idea of where a conversation is going to go.

You know, there's certain times, certainly, you know. Want to talk to a doctor about a certain thing. It's like, okay, let's talk about it. But so many times it's like it goes over here, you know. Like when I first started this thing, I was certain I was going over here. And over here was roughly an NHL alumni podcast. I thought I was going to go around an interview. I thought I was going to combine my love of history with sports into a need that I thought

I could see. Still there, by the way. I don't see an alumni podcast interviewing all these old people from across everywhere. And instead, you know, I was put on a collision course with Frank Pready and things like that. And I'm like, that is the adventure. That's what makes life just an absolute blast to live, right? Like ups, down, sideways, strange, weird, good, bad, ugly, great human beings, awful human beings, on and on and on and on it goes. But that's what that's what the adventure of life is.

You know, it's one of the most profound thoughts I had in Ottawa. I haven't had this. I kind of forgot about this is, I remember thinking the movies coming to an end. Mm-hmm. And coming out of Ottawa going, now the movie is just getting started. And, you know, closing it on 40. I'm joking about this from time to time, but I remember thinking 40 was old. Now I'm like, man, it's 40 young, you know?

Like, and there's just so much that I do not understand, which is really exciting because that means you got hopefully another 40 years to continue to understand it and evolve and grow and and become better men and hopefully lead our sons and daughters into a brighter future but that's going to take work and effort and a whole bunch other things. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's it's a daily practice or some might call it a struggle to see that, you know, there is a better future for our kids. But I don't know, man, like it kind of comes back to what people would talk to me about during the convoy. Like, we don't have a choice.

Like, we just have to do it. We have to be involved. We have to keep trying to do what we think is right. Keep telling the truth and keep doing what you believe to be right and true. And like I think Peterson says it like that's your best course of action every single time no matter the situation. Because no matter what happens to you, it will be far worse if you're living a lie. Now if we stop yeah it only gets worse. Yeah. Right. And we know that what that future looks like.

Yeah. We got a we get a nice thimbleful. A dystopian 1984 type. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And so I guess, um, like I said, coming back to like trying to keep it simple and just a couple priorities, you know, when people ask me, what do we do? What do we do? And I think a lot of people have this idea that we need like some giant centralized, unified

front. And I'm not so convinced of that anymore because it's very easy. then to identify who is who and to crush it. And so I think the best course of action is to be as decentralized as you can be, like decentralized noncompliance and independence. Make yourself as independent as you can be from the big systems financially, food, all of those things, all the basic necessities that we talk about. And, but you still just, just talk to people.

Talk to people face to face. Like, I'll give you an example. So I went to the Tucker event, right? Both of them. And, um, I was talking to a family member. Didn't even know who Tucker Carlson was. I got that, that's how, like, the algorithm is only going to show you what you've been looking at. Right.

You, you're never going to see what I see. and know what I know unless you specifically go looking for it or unless I talk to you about it face to face, right? And so I think like these personal conversations face to face with people are important and you have to deliver your message in a way that's not going to just shut them down and they want nothing to do with you because it can be very overwhelming. And I have I have some compassion for that because I've been there myself where I'm just like, oh my God, like, you know, people talk about the red pill, blue pill. I'm like, there's days where I wish I could take the blue pill and go back and go back to like, I joke about cipher, blissfully ignorant. Stick me back in. Yeah, right, blissfully ignorant. But then I, you know, I, I, we all have those days. Better judgment prevails. And I'm like, okay, no, like it's, I need to, I want to know the truth. That's, that's the guide. Like, just keep pursuing truth, like you said. And, um, and I think another downfall of trying. And, um, and I think another downfall of trying. to always, all these groups that are always trying to be like, we need to be united, united, united.

And yeah, okay, that worked for a period of time with the convoy. But every single group I've been a part of or even loosely associated or I've observed, every single one of them has degenerated into infighting. And like, and it, for the people who, are doing all the work for those groups, it becomes all life consuming. And like we'd said earlier, but life doesn't stop, right? Like pro bono freedom fighting for like two years. I mean, hey, good on you. I did a fair bit myself, but I need, I have a family I need to provide for. Like I can't do this full time and not make an income doing it, right? Like I need to, I need to get to work, right? I mean,

for some people, they've been able to figure out how do make it a profession, which good on you, but maybe I'm just not that creative. But it, we have to be sustainable. We have to be sustainable. And this is a long, this is a long, this is a long game. It's been a long game to flip us to the point where we are and it's not going to stop. Like I, I'm, I've become convinced and I don't mean to be all doom and gloom, but this agenda is not going to, it's not just tomorrow going to be like, oh, you know what, sorry. Oh, you guys don't want this?

Agenda 2030. We want to work no. We're sorry. Like, no, it's going to keep pushing and pushing and pushing. And so our, you know, resistance, our noncompliance, whatever you want to call it has to be sustainable. And the only way that I can see that working for me on a personal level is the things that make me want to walk away and disappear the most are the infighting and the toll that takes on my family. So I need to, that's why I feel like I'm most effective when I'm in an independent,

I'm like a more independent voice where I'm not beholden to any, any, any, any, groups, um, predominant opinion or outlook like, no, if you want to know what I think, I'll tell you exactly what I think. And I don't, what you can agree with it or not, but this is what I think and this is why. And I don't have to worry about like all the drama that comes along with the infighting and the, and it allows me the ability to continue working and providing for my family. Does that make sense? Yeah, um, yes. Yeah.

You know, I'm reminded of when Dustin and I and Lori biked cross Canada, 2006, wrote on Newfoundland. Now, you got a country of about 65 to 7,000 kilometers across. Yeah. And the first day you do, it was like less than 40. You know how demoralizing that was? Demoralizing. Yeah.

And I stared at the map and I just opened it up and I'm like, we're never getting across this country, day one. And love my brother, love all my family. He just, you know, in my mind, he didn't physically do this, but in my mind, he shrunk that map to the province and said, stop looking at the full thing. Get on your pedal or get on your bike and just start pushing the pedals. We'll get there. And wouldn't you know what?

Pretty soon you're across a province, one of 11, bite sized. One of 11 is a heck of a lot better than, you know, as small as it was, it's probably only like 250 kilometers, maybe it's even less than that. Out of 6,500. Yeah. That doesn't feel that big. One of 11 sure feels a little better. Yeah.

And so when you look at, when you go, this has been going on for, you know, 2,000 years, 10,000 years, pick your number. Yeah. You can get very demoralized and I'm only one person and everything else. But if you just walk out your door, you know, little Bilbo Baggins, uh, walk out your door, live your life the right way. Mm-hmm. Speak the truth. You just don't know where that goes. And you don't know who you're impacting.

And as it impacts, you don't know how much it's spreading. Because, like, the Freedom Convoy sounded a gong around the entire world. Right now there is protests going on everywhere in Europe. Yep. And Texas. And Texas. You got all these things happening simultaneously. Where did that start from?

Well, Freedom Convoy definitely played a large part in that. Absolutely. You hear the Americans talk. about it. You hear the Europeans talk about it. You hear everybody talk about it. Why? Because of all places, of all the things Americans stare at, they go, what is going on up there? Nobody saw that coming and nobody saw it ending as peacefully as it did. And they see everybody losing their minds about it. And so you go, you know, go back to what it's like, yeah, this could be the next 100 years. It could be the next 10,000 years. We got a small part to plan it and just try and play your part.

and your part doesn't have to be you know, I don't know where this thing goes. My, my desire, my ego, whatever wants me to be Joe Rogan. But like, the spirit,

I don't know if they're separate. I have no idea. Maybe I'm talking completely out of my ass, folks. But the other part of me is just like, I just want to be a good family, man. I want to do something I love. I love this. And if it gets taken away tomorrow by the government, that'll really suck. and we're going to fight for our ways to hopefully make sure it gets heard.

But I just want to be around my family. And I want to protect my community and I want to have that. And if that leads me further and further away from the limelight, it'll be tough for my ego to handle. But I just want, that's the life I want. I want everything that's over there. I just need a way to provide for it. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, before mandates were, suspended. People would ask me like, what are you going to do? What are you going to do after? And for the longest time, the mindset I was in was like, I'm just going to go live my life peacefully, quietly somewhere. Right?

Like I never, I never, ever, ever intended to be like a public figure, figure, activist or anything like that, right? My old life, I just wanted to be really good at my job. And all I really wanted to do is I just wanted to hunt bad guys. I wanted like my team had probably the most probably the highly most highly trained police officers in Canada. And there's all kinds of dangerous people out there that, you know, your general street cop would come across like just randomly at a traffic stop or at a call have no idea who this person was. And I always used to like try and sell bosses on the fact like you have this team of like 30 hard. charge in dudes that just want to do good work. Like, why wouldn't you send them, send us after the

most, after the worst, right? Like, we're the best equipped to deal with it. No one was ever really fond of that idea because that's a whole other conversation, but it's more about the appearance of being good at the job than it is about actually being good at the job. That's how I see it. Anyways, I just wanted to go, I just wanted to hunt bad guys. That's all I ever wanted. I wanted to be like, send me after the most dangerous. I don't know why. It's just there. I've always wanted to be like that.

I wanted to be a commando that didn't. I didn't end up joining the military because of like family reasons. So I joined the police found out about, or went that path because I just wanted to be like, yeah, I want to go deal with the worst of the worst. Like for whatever reason, that was just always how I felt. And I like to be very physical, right? I don't want to be at a desk all day every day. I wanted something that was like outside and physical. And that gave me a path to that kind of, kind of.

But then obviously I go to Ottawa expecting to do that kind of thing. And once in a while I would. But most of the time it was very like boring protective work. So anyways, all that to be said, like I just wanted after I made the decision to quit the RCMP, I was just like, you know what? I just want to be left alone. That was kind of my mindset for a very long time. Like actually the very first job I researched when I was had made my decision to resign was go be a truck driver because I love listening to books and podcasts and I'll just go drive truck and people can just leave me alone because I was just done with people drama, right?

especially like, you know, Ottawa type politicking, politicking drama. And, uh, but then of course, the truckers got their own mandate and the freedom convoy happened. Um, where am I trying to go with this? Uh, so yeah, I just wanted to be left alone. And even when they started dropping mandates, I kind of thought to myself, okay, you know, I can, I can let my guard down a little bit and I can just go rebuild my life. But what I've come to the realization is that they're not going to leave us alone.

So I have to figure out, we all have to figure out how we're going to, how we're going to exercise noncompliance while still enjoying our life. Because that's the thing. And realizing that is a marathon, not a sprint. Yeah. And keep it sustainable. because the thing that I let go and the thing that I lost these last couple years, and my wife and I talk about it all the time was, it was really hard for us to find moments where we could feel joy because we were living in that like doom and gloom,

the world is ending state of mind for so long. And so that's part of my mission right now, right? And that ties into God and family. Like, I don't, want, I don't want my kids memories of me to be like, dad's just angry all the time. Right. Like, I want, I want to, I want to help people, but I realize that I can't just go, I can't just go live quietly somewhere and just fade away into nothingness. And maybe that sounds a bit egotistical, but like, it just comes back to what my wife and I talked about, like, the whole reason we decided to come back to Canada instead of leaving. and the whole reason why I decided to speak out to speak out in the big at the to begin with was like

I see what's happening. I can't unsee it. And so if I just decide to go live in silence somewhere and just worry about myself, then I will, I will see myself exactly the same as I saw all the other people who didn't say or do anything even though they knew it was wrong. You know, and I'll be just frank, like some of my teammates come my, my, my, my, my, my, my former teammates come to mind, right? One of my, a guy that I still really, I would love to speak to him again. I don't know if he'll ever speak to me again, but I'd love to just talk to him one day and be like,

what do you think this is, where do you think this is going? Because one of the last conversations I had with him, he said, not me, he said the Justin Trudeau government is the biggest threat to democracy in Canada. So he saw it, but he was still at the convoy. when it was time to get taken down. And so I know if I just, if I just go try and go live my life, leave me alone, don't bother me, if I just try and go like live out in the woods somewhere and like completely disconnected from society, am I any better than that? I see what's, I see things that I don't agree with and I believe they're wrong and,

um, to a degree even murderous. And if I say and do nothing, I won't live with myself. So just kind of maybe a little bit circular here, but I feel like we have to be sustainable, but I can't just go live quietly, peacefully somewhere like I had originally hoped. Well, it comes back to my, when you talk about, uh, you can't have 10, you got to narrow it down. Mm-hmm. I've narrowed it down to probably, you know. I really think of two mostly.

Right. And I go, if you can figure out God, your faith, a lot of things just fall in the line. That's my thoughts on it. You know? And from that, then you get to, you get to start to impact some positive changes on your community. Well, and your family, for that matter. I think it's at the, uh, and, and, of the beatitudes, like the beginning of the sermon on the Mount. He and Jesus talks about like, like rejoice if you're persecuted on behalf of being a follower of his, on behalf of his name, because your reward will be great in heaven. I kind of just that really, really hit home with me and resonated with me because it's like, okay, no matter what they throw at me, if I stick true to my. faith in God and my faith in Jesus that there's nothing you can do to me that will that would be that will prevent me from being rewarded for my faith. Does that make sense? Maybe I didn't word that

perfectly. Actually, the thought that came to mind was you're wrestling with big things, but you already know. Yeah. And the word that always comes, which is a funny word coming to my mouth too, is surrender, right? It's like, Yeah. That's a tough thing. You know, that's a tough thing. I don't know why it's so tough, but it's tough. Well, and I think, you know, Melissa McKee was a big part of that for me too. Because very early on when I very first started going to the Vikers Church, you know, I'd talk to her a lot.

I spent a lot of time, like at the back of the church and always, always very focused on having conversations with her. And she would say, she's like, my freedom. doesn't come from the government. She's like, they can put me in a camp, they can put me in jail, they can kill me. She's like, my freedom comes from my belief in Jesus Christ. Ken Rutherford's probably listening to us and we used to talk about the Guleg Archipelago. You're asking about what we read. One of the books we read was a Guleg archipelago. And there's this lady in one of the chapters where she's just like defiant to the very end. Doesn't matter what you do to me. You can't touch me. Yeah. And I'm slowly,

beginning to understand what she had. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's been a. And that's what Melissa McKee is. That is what Melissa has.

Yeah. Melissa is this. It would be that lady if, you know, if God forbid the history repeated itself. I've really appreciated you coming in. And what we're going to do, folks, because I have to get you on the road for your wife. Piper is probably sitting there going like, oh boy, where, where are these two? Because they're gabbing along. But I do want to do a substack.

I want to get to the crude master final question. So what we're going to do, folks, we're going to take a brief pause here, and we'll have one more on the substack side of thing. So come join us over there.