Shaun Newman Podcast - #583 - Maxime Bernier

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

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Thank you very much, Sean. I'm very pleased to be with you. I'm sure you meet a ton of people across your travels because you seem to be a very busy man and how you get across Canada. But I did get to shake your hand in the backstage, the VIP portion of Tucker Carlson in Emmington. So that was, I don't know, it's always interesting to get to shake someone's hand. you know, everything we do these days is virtual. But regardless, it was cool to finally meet you because I've seen and watched, you know, through COVID mainly a lot of what you said and done and stood for. And I guess either way, it was, it was very nice to meet you finally. And once again, I don't expect you to remember all that.

But as you continue to meet and I can just imagine the thousands of people across Canada. What do we do on this side is I'm going to assume 99% of my audience knows exactly who you are. But there's going to be a chunk, Maxime, that go, oh, yeah, he's that guy. I kind of know who he is. And it's the first time you've ever been on the show. And honestly, I started reading a little bit about you. And I go, I want Maxime to talk about who is Maxime? Let's start there.

Yeah, thanks for asking. I believe that you are right about that. Still a lot of people don't know that there's a new political party at the federal level called the People's Party of Canada. We created and funded the party five years ago, six years ago, sorry, now. And also because we've been canceled by the mainstream media, still a lot of people don't know me personally. So I want to thank you for asking. So, yes, I'm 61 years old. I worked for 19 years in the private sector in Montreal, in the financial sector, up to 2005, when I had a meeting with Stephen Harper in Montreal.

And at that time, you know, he was looking for candidates for the next election, the 2006 election. And I decided to jump into politics after 19 years in the private sector. And for me, you know, I wanted to at that time going politics for a smaller government in Ottawa that will respect our constitution, respect our charter of rights. And it was mostly about the economy at that time, lower taxes, smaller government. So I was with the upper government for 13 years. And as you know, I did the leadership contest in 2017, didn't win with 49, with 49. 49% of the vote. And I work with the leadership of the Conservative Party at that time with Andrew Shear and the leadership.

And, you know, I tried to, you know, ask them and I wanted them to take some of my ideas, my ideas for the platform, the idea that I was promoting during that leadership campaign. I told Andrew Shear it was popular. I had 49% of the vote. But after 15 months, after the leadership, around spring 2018, and Andrew Scheer told me, Maxim, your ideas were very popular

with the membership of the Conservative Party of Canada, but I'm running to be a prime minister and your ideas are not popular with the population in general at large. So we won't take any of your ideas. And that's why I said, I don't want to waste my time over there that party is morally and intellectually corrupt.

I don't want to run on a platform that I don't believe in. So I resign and we created the People's Party of Canada. And after five years, the last election, we had 5%. And now, like you said, yes, I'm busy. I'm traveling across the country, meeting our people, funding candidates for the next election. And it's going well. I can tell you that up to now,

we have about 120 candidates selected and approved, ready to run if there's an election tomorrow. Our goal is to have a full slate of candidates before the end of this year, and it's going well. Actually, we'll do another official call for candidates in two weeks. So if you're interested, if you like our platform, you can go on our website, People's Party of Canada. and you can read the platform if you like it because it's always the same platform. That's why we are doing politics differently, because it's all based on ideas. And if, you know, one of our policy, like for example, you know, ending the mandates for COVID-19, it was not popular when we said that in two years ago.

But, you know, it became more and more popular because we were speaking about that and it's about common sense. So we want to try to educate and inform people. and we are speaking about bold reforms that we need to do here in Canada. You know, one of the things when I got digging in on a little bit of PPC and mainly yourself, is I'd had Preston Manning on here a while back. And one of the things I wanted to talk to Preston Manning, if the audience recalls, was he was the son of a Premier. And I'm like, I wonder what advice his father had passed down to him.

when navigating the political world. You're the son of someone who served in politics for roughly 13 years, if my math is correct. And your father's still alive. What advice has he given to you since you started in this to where you're at now? Yeah. My dad is 89 right now. It will turn 90 this summer. and I'm very, very happy, very pleased, is in shape.

And yes, actually, I must admit that my first election in 2006, I was new in politics. And I believe that people in both voted for my name, Bernier, and not my first name, Maxim, because I was working in Montreal. I was not in the writing. And they knew my dad. My dad was their MP for 13 years, like you said. So the name Bernice was very well known. So I believe that I was able to win that election a lot because of him.

And what he taught me at that time, he said, Maxime, listening to people is the most important. And you have to be present in the writing. You have to listen to them. And you have to tell them the truth. You know, don't tell them things that you don't believe. And people would understand, you know, they will ask you things that you may be not able to deliver

as a member of parliament. Tell them the truth. They would appreciate that. And so that's a big lesson. And I'm doing that also right now. I'm telling the truth about, you know, climate hysteria. And I know that some people are not there right now,

but I believe they will come and they will see the light if I can express myself like that. But my dad taught me that to be present in the writing, and we are in politics for people, not for ourselves. And my dad was, what did, what did, and I just, I think, you know, when I talk about a second generation politician, I don't know where your lineage goes. Maybe you've always been politicians, but, you know, if I were to go into politics tomorrow, Maxime, I would know nothing and I would be a steep learning curve. Whenever there's the, you know, someone who had a successful career, I think I can say that safely in politics and then to have a son follow in his suit. uh, you know, uh, build off the name Bernier, uh, you know, when, when you put it that way,

it, you know, what did he say, you know, you get 49% of the leadership vote. You're like, I mean, does it come any closer in that, folks? I'm sure we could get, you know, in an argument over how close it can become. But I mean, honestly, that's about as close as you're going to get to the point of like, was it legit? And we won't open up that can of worms. But you're sitting there. You have a strong voice in the conservative party. Obviously within the group, they, they, they, awfully thought or they thought so. When you're when you're like, I just can't be in here anymore.

Did your father go? And I don't know. And maybe I'm pushing too hard on the father aspect. Maybe just the group around you go, yeah, but if you stay, right? This is the argument right now. Start a new party. Stay in the party.

Yeah. What is the better course of action? Yes. You're right about, you know, assuming that my dad was not one person on board on my decision to leave the Conservative Party of Canada. My dad was a conservative in all his life. And he knew that it will be very difficult for me to be elected under a new political party.

And I said that, you know, and he told me the same thing. Why not staying in the party? You're 49% of the vote. Maybe next time you'll be able to win and you'll have more chances to be a prime minister of this country. But we had a very deep discussion on that. And I told him, you know, I said, I didn't win with 49%.

But if you look at that time, we had 99 conservatives members of parliament, 99 conservative members of parliament, including myself. I had 49% of support from the membership. But if you look at the elected conservatives, members of parliament, I had only four of them who supported me, including myself. Only three others supported me during that leadership campaign. Why? Because I was saying, think, like, we must abolish the cartel in supply management in mill, dairy, and poultry.

And, you know, if you're a MP in a rural writing in Canada and you have dairy, farmers there. They don't like that. They have a privilege and they want to keep it, so they won't have the courage to be against that. And I must admit that, you know, they were right because the dairy cartel was very active in my leadership contest to be sell memberships and become members to be sure that I won't be elected. And I had another policy that was to end corporate welfare. So all the money and the subsidies that the federal government is giving to big business. If you're an MP from Southern Ontario and you have GM in your writing, you know, you don't want that because you know that we're going to cut GM and maybe some jobs. And so my platform was a little bit

controversial for a traditional conservative MP, but it was very well received from the membership. So that's why I wasn't able to have the support of a lot of members of parliament. So that being said, just put yourself in my shoes the day after that leadership contest with 49% of the support. I think to deal with a caucus where I don't have any support. And, you know, I will have to implement my policy because, you know, I'm not a man who say something and will do the opposite. I'm in politics. I'm saying what I believe in, and I will fight for that. And when I'm saying something, it's because I believe that I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe deeply that I'm right,

and that's the best vision for this country. So put you in my shoes in a first caucus and try to speak about my policies, having all these people around me saying, no, you cannot say that, because we're going to go down in the pool and blah, and looking at the polls. So I would have been in a position to do some compromise with my ideas,

and I didn't want to do that. So that's why I must admit, The first reaction that I had, the night, the Saturday night when they said on the stage, we destroyed the ballots. We have a winner, and the winner is Andrew Shee, 51%, Bernier 49. What was my first reaction with my wife near me, Catherine? I was relieved. I was relieved because I saw having to deal with a caucus and being in a position to do compromise.

I didn't want to do that. I wanted to win with at least 60% to be able to impose on the caucus my ideas. So that's why I had that sentiment to be a relief. But I must admit, two days later, when I've read the global mail the Monday morning, when the global mail in the first page of the global mail, you can Google that. At that time, it was only, and it's still the case, only the members of the council, Party of Canada were able to vote for the leadership. And at that time, if I remember, we had about 240 members.

And the global mail said they had 250 votes. So 10,000 more votes than members. And so, and that's why I didn't support the leader the day after the election and the second day after the election. I tweeted, I believe, the Wednesday night at 5 o'clock that I'm behind Andrew Shear. Because I asked a lot of questions to the leadership. How come we have 10,000 more votes than members? What happened? And they said, no, it's not true and blah, blah, blah.

And so I was not able to prove that they cheated. So I decided, okay, let's be behind the leader. and actually they cheated. So go back to your question, why not staying in a party? If the establishment of the Conservative Party didn't want me and cheated for be sure that I won't win, because remember at that time, everybody were saying Bernie will win by 85%.

I was always the first one every round, and the last one, who happened? New votes happened and I didn't win. So being in a party that cheated and didn't want me as a leader because I'm too conservative, if I'm staying there and the next time happened, they will do that another time. I don't have time to waste. Our ideas are so important. I want these ideas to be out there and we will create a new party and fight based on these ideas.

And that's what we did. So that's why, you know, I didn't want to stay there knowing that we didn't have any proof about that, but just the number, just the fact that the Global Mail did research and find that. And the fact also that the night you can see the video, the night of the announcement of Andrew Shearly said, we destroyed the ballots. You don't do that. In general election, you keep the ballots for six months.

Election Canada keep the ballots for at least six months after an election. And the night he said, we destroyed the ballot and we have a winner. So, yeah, and I'm very, and, you know, I'm very pleased. That was the best decision in my political life to create and the people's party and to fight for real Western civilization values. And, you know, I don't have any regret. You know, in my young political career, like paying attention to it, not career, but political, like actually paying attention to politics. You know, I'm, Maxime folks doesn't know who I am, but I grew up in sports, and that's what I paid attention to more so than any politics. And now, you know, I just helped run a by-election debate in Lloydminster.

And I'm like, I don't know how I got here, you know. But I do have this memory of the last election and the federal debate. So they had, you know, they had the block and liberals and the conservatives and, you know, who am I missing? here, the NDP and the Greens. And I remember thinking, where is Maxime? Where is the PPC? If they're going to have roll out all these parties, why aren't they rolling them all out? Especially when the block says, I don't want to answer that question. I'm not running for prime minister anyways. Michael, this is the biggest mockery of Canadian politics I've ever seen. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of being rigged a little. And then, of course, in the conservative party, I think people

of this show will recall having on, you know, and whether you agree with all of them, or not, but Grant Abraham comes to mind. Joseph Borgold comes to mind of how they were trying to enter the leadership race of this past of when Pierre won and how they did some funny business there to also make sure that they weren't on the ballot. Obviously, I don't have anything. That's just my thoughts on what it looks like. When you're sitting there, the leader of the PPC, though, and you don't get on the national

debate, the federal debate, I'm curious, what goes through your mind? Because, you know, when I look at the popular vote and the percentages you had in that election, you know, you were well down there. But the Greens had 2.3%. You had 4.94. So 5% of the popular vote. So you're there. Why? Yeah.

8% and 49 people voted for the PBC all across the country. Almost a median. 894,000 people? Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah, it's a great 94,000 people. Yeah. So, yeah, answering your question is, you know,

I was part of the debate at our first election in 2019, first election because we created the People's Party in 2018. I was part of the debate against Trudeau and Shear and, you know, I was there. And they decided in 2021, they, you know, I appointed a commission to look at the rules for the debate, and they decide for Bernier, we have a new rule. He needs to have 4% of the vote to be able to participate in the national debates on TV.

So I had 1.6% of our first election. So now I can tell you that at the next election, I'll be part of the debates because we had that 4%, we had 5, 4.9, 5% of the vote. So I'll be there. But, you know, they did that because they were afraid. Don't forget that class election that was, you know, just after the COVID hysteria. Yes. And I was the only one who was telling the truth based on facts about COVID.

And all these establishment political parties, including the conservative, where on the same narrative about COVID, they didn't want a guy like me being out there and questioning all that. Well, I agree. And I actually hearing that, I'm like, oh, interesting. Okay, well, that's good news for my brain. Because whether or not you win the election or not, I go, in order to have democracy, you have to be able to let the voices talk. And you, sir, have a voice that is saying a lot of things that a lot of people in this country want to hear.

But you've also experienced how they do not want you a part of certain things, right? it'd be pretty hard not to be jaded on them. And when you see the liberals in NDP discussing election reform right now, I'm sure the hair on your head starts to raise going, here we go again. And to me, that stands on. I'm like, as soon as I read it, I'm like, wow, this isn't good. Yeah. And, you know, they're looking to have more days to go to vote.

but the most challenging and what I don't like is the fact that they want to be sure that more people would be able to vote by mail, mailing their ballots. We need to stop that. You know, we need to have one voting day. You come to vote in person with an ID, with your photo, you show your face, with your address, and you vote. Now what they want to do, and you vote near your house. in your poll. And now what they want to do,

they want to, if you're in a riding and there's two big cities in the writing, you can go and vote anywhere in the writings. So it would be very difficult for election Canada to know that that person didn't vote twice the same day of the election. So it's, you know, what they want to do, they want to be able maybe to cheat.

And as you know, at the last election, election, election Canada issued press release a month after the last election and said they didn't count about 200,000 ballots that they received by mail. So why and what happened? So we need to stop that the mail-in ballots. In the beginning of our, if you go back to the history, it was only for Canadians working for the Canadian forces that they were outside the country. They had the right, The day of the, the day of the vote and mail these ballots to election Canada.

Now, you know, they open the door. And the more you open the door, the more fraud you risk to have. And that they're looking to do that, the NDP and the liberals right now. Yeah, because they're losing. And they're losing drastically. Oh, yeah.

And if I've learned anything, and I don't know some days, folks, I feel like I know little. but the thing about power is it is it just sucks them all in they don't want to they don't want to give it up and they're losing back like to me i don't know maxine maybe i'm wrong on this but everything i look at shows they ain't coming back and then you hear election reform and you go oh and i'm just listening in your story and i go you know i'm sure some people are going to say have a hard time with some of the things maxim said to this point maybe not i don't know but i think we can all agree there's this

growing trend of starting to realize whether it's in our countries or abroad, that when it comes to elections, they're not on the complete up and up. And the more leniency in grace you give around how it's done instead of being strict allows for fraud to happen. And to go like only one team does it and not all teams, it's like, well, I'm not going to sit here and say that.

I'm going to say, though, that it just opens up the opportunity for people to do things that aren't on the up and up. And democracy, once you start to do that, starts to erode and trust in everything right now is running. I mean, Maxine, you've been all across this country. You've talked openly about COVID.

At times, you're a man who's a touch ahead, maybe by a long shot, a ton of the other politicians. Maybe it's because you got a set of something in between your legs. I'm not sure that a lot of politicians don't seem to have these days. But I mean, I do admire that because at times,

you know, I take the one million march for children. And honestly, Maxime, you can say where you stood on that. I'm not 100% sure. I just going to go to my local level. Everybody seemed to be busy that day and appreciate the invite, but we're busy. And it was on parental rights. Now look at it's Saskatchewan, Alberta, right?

Premier Smith has come out. Scott Moes used the notwithstanding clause. And it's like, oh, yeah, we all agree with you. But nobody would show up. No, no, New Brunswick also. And New Brunswick, yes. Sorry, yes. We must admit that he was the first and very courageous things that he did for a politician.

Yeah, but, you know, it's so, I don't know, for them, they're not doing politics based on convictions. That's the big difference. But I want to go back about the election and what you said. You know, in Canada, our system, the actual system is very good because if you go, you vote, and we are counting the ballots by ends. And we have, when they opened the box, every political party can have a scrutiner that will be there and count and look,

and you can have five people, one representing the PPC and other party, and they look and they count, and they all agree, okay, there's five votes for Bernier, 10 votes for Trudeau, and they sign. So that's our system. If you want to add more mailing ballots,

all these ballots will go to Ottawa to election Canada, but we won't have any scrutiners that will be there from every political party that will look at it, like we have the day of the election. So that's why we don't need to change our system. It's a good system. And if Canadians are not voting, because, yes, they try to do that,

and the first argument that they are saying is, you know, we need to have more people, the participation rate is very low, blah, blah, blah, and that's bad for democracy. No, if Canadians don't go and don't vote, they are expressing something. It's because they don't believe in the system. They don't like the politicians. Maybe it's because they are the same. So politicians need to change and tell the truth and not saying something a day and the opposite the other day.

Maybe more people will buy in the system and come and vote. when you have 40% of the population that are saying, I'm not participating. It's because they don't like the politicians, and they are telling me that. They're all the same. Like, you know, Polyev and Trudeau on the most important issues, climate change, COVID-19, the radical gender ideology,

you know, I can go on, I can go on. But on the most important immigration, mass immigration, on the most important issues, they're the same. So I try and, for it. For us, you know, I think our growth will come from non-voters, and my goal is to tell them, you know, we are different. What I said in 2019 at the first election for us, I said the same thing in 2021, and that will be the same thing in 2025.

We are different, and yes, we don't change. We don't do any polls and focus group, and because we believe that the population has been manipulated by the leftist journalists, by the far left. we have been manipulated. That isn't a question. We just saw it in COVID. I mean, we don't have to debate that. I know at West here, Maxime, a huge chunk of people who don't vote go, our vote means nothing because of the way it's set up, right? All the votes, all the ridings are situated in Ontario, Quebec. And so by the time it gets here, it's already over and done with. And so I know a lot of people are very frustrated with the system itself. Yeah. Yeah. When they are

saying that it's because the majority of the population is in Toronto and Vancouver. And that's why Polyev is going to the left, because to be able to have a majority, it will need to have all these ethnic writings around Toronto. There's more riding around Toronto than in all Alberta. So that's why, you know, and Trudeau is doing the same thing also. They think that they will have the support of these new immigrants. But you're right. what I can tell them is, you know, Polyev, and when they vote, they vote for the conservative,

but Polyev is taking for granted your vote. He won't speak about your most important issues. I will, and I'm doing that all the time and every day. So they can vote for us because we will grow, we will be able to have more influence, but also when we'll have a member of parliament, when I'll be there, I will vote with Polyeve when it will be a And I will shame him when he won't. So it's a kind of insurance policy for conservative voters out west that Poliyev will stay honest and in the right direction. But you're right that because of the majority of the population is in Ontario, they have a lot of writings. And yes, I only get Maxime for 30 minutes, folks, but I'm going to ask him one final questions if he'll allow me.

And that is, did you watch Tucker interview Putin? Yes, I did. And what did you think? I did. I did watch the two hours. I started at 9 o'clock yesterday. And, you know, that was great. Because what he was saying about the fact that he did that special military operation,

it's because he told us to the West that he didn't want any countries and specifically. Ukraine to be part of NATO, because when they're part of NATO, NATO base is there just at the doors of Russia. I said that two years ago when all that started, and they were saying, or Russia would start with the invasion of Ukraine, and after that it would be in Europe everywhere, like Hitler. No, that's not the facts. And that was a great interview,

because we were able to hear his side of the story, here out west with the propaganda, we were not able. And same thing with me when I was speaking for saying Canada must not be part of that war, contrary to the conservatives and the liberals. The mainstream media didn't want to have me and didn't want to have that because I was not part of the narrative like COVID-19. What I appreciate also is discussion about the sanctions that the U.S., Canada did to Russia. Didn't work.

And he was laughing and he told, you know, Russia is the economy that is growing faster than any economy in Europe. Germany, that was the big economy in Europe, is in recession, and we are growing, our GDP is growing. So your sanction didn't work. And also, you didn't help yourself, you American, and you didn't help yourself, because now a lot of countries didn't want to have their international, transaction with the U.S. daughter. So now we'll have a new currency that will be part of the international negotiation. So what he was saying, he was right. And I'm not, but we must know that Putin is a dictator, murders, but you know what he said about Ukraine, he had good points there.

what he said about the fact that the U.S. daughter is going down and there's inflation in the U.S. He was right about all that. When he was laughing about us in Canada, because, you know, Trudeau and Pollyev and all these elite leaders were there to applaud the Nazi. He was right about that. It's a hypothetical, Maxime, it's probably a poor hypothetical. But do you think if you were sitting in Parliament that day, you wouldn't have clapped? Would you have known? because you've been in that room, right?

And I looked at the video and I went, oh, a whole bunch of people should know them better. But I also went, there's some people in the back benches that just probably stand up once every, I don't know, I don't know if it's once a day. I don't know if it's once a week. And just, hey, yeah, well, what are we clapping about? I have no idea. If you would have been in the room that day, or do you think when you looked at the video, maybe it shouldn't even put yourself if you were in the room,

but you've been in that room. How many times did you clap for somebody? you had no idea what the heck was going on. Yeah, but I must tell you that the speaker of the house, what is doing when he has special guests like that? He's sending to, he did that during my time when I was an MP there, and we receive as an MP the list of the guests from the speaker, the guest that he will present to the house.

So you know that in advance as an MP you have the list. So if you do your own work, you have the list. what is that person, and you can do your own research. So there's a way to know. And I remember that before QP, I was receiving the list of the guests, the guest that the speaker will ask us to acknowledge. So they knew that in advance.

They didn't do any research. And also, don't forget, he said, the speaker said, was fighting against the, Russia. Yeah, you can see it on his face. He was just like, uh, fighting, uh, and then he kept going, but at that time, he knew. And if anyone would have been listening in the room, they should have known. Yeah. So if you're there in the house at that time and you're saying that, that's another, you know, you might be, if you know your story, yeah. And I don't know if you'd agree with me on this,

but I would think at this time, if you're sitting watching what's going on, I would be, you be doing my research on everything. If at one point you weren't, now would be the time, every time they're putting any, the liberals, the NDP, we can be hard on the conservatives too. We can be hard on everybody. Anytime something's coming in, you're like, what are they trying to do here? Yeah. Because at the end of the day, look at what is happening across our country, across the western, the western continent. I mean, sort of North American continent. It's like it's, you're blind at this point. If you aren't. seeing it for what it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. So answering question, you know, I was not in the

house at that time. And I believe if I look at what I did every time when I was going to the house, when I was an MP, I'm pretty sure that I was stay very silent and sat down. But yeah, did we have, yet, in fairness to the people that were there, right? Because was there one, Did we have one not clap or stand? Everybody. Right now this Ukraine thing is like as soon as it's in there, everybody's up and everybody's clapping. And it's almost like it has to, you know, you watch the video and you're like, it's interesting. Like it's, it's interesting that nobody's, nobody's taking a stand on any of that.

You know, it's it's a fascinating thing to watch in a terrifying way. I mean, uh, because, you know, and to put you in a hypothetical, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a, almost a useless question Maxine because I mean at the end of the day you weren't there nor was I and all I can gauge you on and I think a lot of the audience is some of the things you've done and I look at COVID and I go there wasn't a whole lot of people standing up back then and uh there was very little media coverage for it there was very little uh you know the media coverage you got was slamming you right um and on and on and on this side of things um we admire that right like uh it was not easy doing what you've done, I assume, and I'm sure you've got story after story. And what I'm

going to say to Maxime folks is, I told them half an hour. I've already gone over that. It's okay. It's okay. Well, I appreciate you coming on. And what we'll do is we'll just have you back on. And we'll make sure we, now that their side knows who we are, that we say we need an hour. That way we have a little extra time. Yeah, we'll take an hour the next time. But what I want to tell you also, it's the work that you're doing. You know, we spoke about the mainstream We spoke about the fact that I'm canceled there. But I just want to give you an anecdote. I had a phone conversation with Jordan Peterson.

That was in the beginning when we created the People's Party. And I told him, I said, you know, I'm canceled by the mainstream media. Do you have any ideas, what I can do and blah, blah, blah. And he said, Maxime, forget it. You know, the future is not there. The future is on social media. Be active on social media, podcasts and all that. you will grow, people will know you.

And he was right, and I believe that he is still right. Look in the US right now, you have Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was with us during the COVID hysteria. He was all across the US, and he came to Canada, delivered speeches against, you know, mandates and all that. And the mainstream media in the US didn't want to cover him. He is a candidate for, you know, independent, Independent candidate for being the president of the United States.

He's been canceled by all the mainstream media and the U.S., but he's very high in the polls. I believe right now he's around 20% or something like that. But he's able to grow. What is doing? Podcasts. And, you know, he was on Joe Rogan, and I saw him, and he was seeing the same thing on the podcast,

a guy that has a thousand followers only. And he had Robert F. Kennedy. So that will be my strategy. That's why I said to my team, we want to do that, more present, different podcasts. If you have five people following you, or if you have 5,000 people following you, just go on People's Party of Canada website, ask for having Maxime and we'll put time now, we have only half an hour, but next time, ask for an hour, and I'll do my best to do that. But yes, we'll be able to grow, to be more influential. And that's the way to do politics, I believe, these days.

Appreciate it, Maxime. It seems now that I'm the one, you know, it's funny on these sides with being independent media, how many times you can hear different things happening on the background channels. I assume people are following Maxime. I assume they're following me at this point. Either way, Maxime, appreciate you hopping on and doing this. And we'll be in touch. We'll make sure that we get you back on.

We get a little longer. and we'll take some of the audience's questions because I'm sure they have a ton and we'll have a little bit of a deeper dive and it's kind of as hard as we can go here for 40 minutes to get through as much as we can and we'll see if we can't carve out a little longer time the next time around. Thanks again Maxime.

I appreciate that Sean and also what we can do if we fix a date and I can put that on my Twitter account and do some marketing, advertising and people will know and yeah, I like to answer questions. That's important for me. I want my ideas to be out there. And if I don't have the answer, I will tell them that I don't have the answer.

So let's plan something for a near future. But thank you very much for this opportunity, Sean. Thanks again.