Shaun Newman Podcast - #588 - Vance Crowe & Dustin Newman

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

Vance was in town (host of the Vance Crowe Podcast) and Dustin just happened to walk in just before we started. Dustin owns and operates Original Oil and is an engineer. We discuss everything from the importance of recording your family’s history, Bitcoin and hydro-carbons.  Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastE-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Phone [phone] – general sales line, ask for Grahame and be sure to let us know you’re an SNP listener.

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Tickets are going to go on sale right away probably end of this week, and we'll be slowly unveiling more details as we get closer and closer and closer, and we hope to see you April 27th here in Lloydminster. I know a lot of people have been asking, and it's taken some time and MacGyvering to work around some schedules. But we finally got it lined up. SMP presents returns April 27th here in Lloyd Minster. The Lloyd Minster Regional Theater Foundation also is presenting the Lloyd Local Series March 27th.

That's going to be showcasing a couple of local ladies, Amanda Cooper, with a variety of music and Caroline Park, country and folk. And these two local musicians are thrilled for this opportunity to put on their own show at the old Vic Juba Theater. The deer and steer butchery. Here's some, here's some, uh, here's some, uh, new news. Okay, this is new. They have just, we've been talking about them getting a new butcher in. Well, they didn't get a new butcheress. They got a butcheress. I was like a butcheress.

Interesting. I don't know if I've ever heard that word before. So I googled it. Why not? And it is literally, well, it's a female butcher. And I love the description. A dealer in meat. Geez, that sounds. I don't know why that sounds kind of cool. Anyways, Amber, she is the new butcharest of the deer and steer she's a mother of two engaged and she was born and raised in small town Saskatchew. I like that already.

Wadena, which I'm told has the best Boston creams in Saskatchewan. I don't know, is that true? I kind of wait for like actual confirmation like a donut showing up to the studio. That's kind of where I'm at on this. I'm going to have to, you know, maybe try one of these before I can actually

say with confidence that's the truth. Who knows? She's been cutting enough about the donuts. She's been cutting meat since she was 16. She took her retail meat cutting at Nate and went on to Apprentice at Real Deal Meets in Emmington and worked also out in Ontario in the

St. Lawrence Market, which is one of the biggest fresh produce, meat and seafood vendors in Canada. That sounds pretty cool. I'm going to be honest. That sounds pretty cool. She's ready and excited to step in full force into butchering with the deer and steer. So if you want to go just meet and say hello to the new butcher in the area,

give the deer and steer a call 780870-8700. If you got an animal that you want to get in and get cut up. Well, 780870, 8700. There's a new sheriff in town. I don't know if that exactly fits, but it kind of sounds, I don't know, it kind of feels like it. It does. I don't know. Butcheress, a new butcheress in town. Go meet Amber today. Erickson Agarro Incorporated at Irma, Alberta, Kent and Tosha Erickson, family farm raising, four kids growing food for our community and this great country. And finally, substack, if you haven't flipped over there.

April 1st, we're turning on the paywall. So we're going to be making all the substack exclusives. They're going to be behind the paywall. Paywall works out to, what did I say? It's something like 32 cents an episode, if you were to translate it across to how many episodes we're releasing for the year. so like it's super affordable. But totally, I totally get it if you can't.

I get it. I'm just, anyways, I don't know why I'm babbling on. Substack, that's where everything's going over. Well, not everything.

That's where all the substack exclusive are going. I'm meandering on a Wednesday. It's like it's the middle of the week. I should point out next week I am gone on holidays. Yeah. Taking holidays, no worries. Podcast is going to keep on moving along. We got an interesting, we got an odd time for the Tuesday mashup.

It's going to be Sunday live streaming at 2 p.m. And then, of course, it will be released regular time here on the podcast on Tuesday. And then the following week, we have a guest host for the Tuesday mashup as I won't be there. I'm gone to Jamaica for a wedding with my wife. No kids. Yes, I'm excited. That's all I got for you today. Okay.

Let's get on to that tale of the tape. The first is the host of the Vance Crow podcast, the second owner of original oil. I'm talking about Vance Crow and Dustin Newman. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Shaw Newman podcast. It was supposed to be Vance Crow and I this morning, which is going to get really, my entire plan went out the door, whatever. Dust walked in the door, kept talking.

We were having a good conversation, folks. We're like, well, do you just want to hop in on the podcast? You know, okay, fine, sure. So we got Dustin Newman, Vance Crow in studio. So, sorry, boys, I'm interrupting and I didn't mean to, but we got to get the show on the road this morning. So first, I don't know, thanks for hopping in. Oh, man. I'm in the mecca of podcasting.

We came to the studio. This is great. I've been here before, but I've never recorded a podcast in your studio. You never heard of record. What did we do last time? No, you and twos were doing something, and it was late, and I don't know, but we didn't record. I was like maybe on the sidelines, I think. Oh, yeah.

I guess we recorded with you, me, and Quick Dick on stage. That's right. And Stephen Barber. Yeah. And then you did like a recap thing. I think it was the Tuesday match show. I can't remember now. I can't remember.

Anyways, thanks for coming. I'm interrupting now. We're having such a great, I knew as soon as I like directed over here, all of a sudden, everybody's going to stare at Sean now. How have things been? We just had a chat on your, you know, screw it. It's today, and I hate to do this because now it's going to be like,

it's going to be a week before anyone hears this. But it's Valentine's Day today. And I don't know how you guys operate your relationship. but my wife is like loves all the days okay so she got me a cup there there you go she's a female so she likes all the days and um uh there there's the other side of it all right there you go i like it congrats on being my husband you lucky bastard there you go that's that's for my wife um but the the smart thing i always say is so i i can't remember if i forgot about valentine's day one year or or if i was um grumpy about having to do another day because i'm just like i just

I don't like all the days. I like one day. And so she's completely opposite. So we made a deal. She would worry about Valentine's Day and I'd worry about the anniversary. So she didn't have to get anything for the anniversary. I don't have to do anything for Valentine's Day. It's been close to a smashing success, right?

Like I really enjoy it. So I woke up this morning. She's like, here, here. And I'm like, oh, sweet, you know? So that's the cup that I'm drinking out of that if you're wondering why. Beautiful. Do either of you guys do anything? like that with your spouse?

I got my wife, an orchid. I do this. She likes orchids, but the only thing is she's figured out that if she keeps the orchid, it'll re-bloom at a later date. And this time when I got her an orchid, she's like, I got to keep another orchid, don't I? And I was like, oh, crap. We've got too many orchids in the house now.

And so now it's becoming a pain in the butt, and she wants flowers that die so she doesn't have to take care of it. Do you know what's cool about orchids? So orchids were among the first, like, plants, terrestrial plants because their roots could grab the nutrients out of the air. So orchids actually existed before there was soil, which is why you would find all these orchids where the roots hang down off of a cliff or over a tree. It's because they were among the first like upright sexually producing plants.

That's really cool. I think so. I think like as soon as you know these kinds of details when you have a gift, you can like really add the layers. My wife and I did some splunking in Mexico one time. And you're way underneath the earth. Splunking. It's the most terrifying activity I can think of.

Or caving or, I don't know. Maybe splunking's not the right word. We're a caving. All I can think of is Christian Bale. I know. Splunking. You know, splunking. Cave dying.

Anyhow. And there was all these roots down inside the cave when we're talking to the guy. Listen, Mr. Wayne, if you don't want to tell me exactly what you're doing, it doesn't matter to me anyways. You own the company. Is there lots of guns down when you're spulunking? Anyhow. So, but there was all these roots hanging down into the tunnels down to the water. And we asked our guide about that.

And he's like, well, there's not much water in the top soil in this area of Mexico. And the roots, the plants that grow there, grow these really long roots that go down into these tunnels where the water is. And that's how they get the water is by these really, because we were like 15 or 20 feet underneath the ground. And there was roots down and they're going down to the water. All the, the way that roots came about with plants is totally staggering. And the orchid one, the reason it's so staggering is there, was no plant matter to create soil, right? So all it was was these plants growing on what would it look like Mars. And you had to have this plant life that could grow, then break down, then

turn into soil, right, become that loam and and then ultimately be something that other plants could grow into. All of the ground that we're, you know, that you farm in is dead plants that have kind of mixed in with soil and rock and orchids were the first one. And over time you had a little animal life that chewed up those plants even more. I hadn't thought about that. At the start, though, it would have been just rock, essentially, because there was no, there was no way to make soil, essentially. And oxygen itself was like a very, very toxic thing.

The first thing that happened as the oceans were bubbling up, there were reactions going on there, and oxygen is going out into the atmosphere. Well, there was no atmosphere, right? And it's so heavy that it's held down to the earth. And first, everything on Earth had to oxidize before then, you could start accumulating it into like the surface area around the earth. This is these are things that I found interesting. So when I was down in Australia, there was, I can't remember what they call them.

But anyhow, they thrive off very high CO2 and it talked about back way, way, way back when there was way more CO2 in the atmosphere and not as much oxygen. And these things thrived way back then. And we don't have much from anymore because CO2's way down, oxygen's way up. But that was one of the things that generally. generated oxygen that actually provided the blank around the earth, that then provided life the opportunity to grow. And you started thinking about these things, you can't even wrap my brain around, you know, they print a billion dollars, right?

But a billion years, right? That's so mind-boggling. The one that really smashes my brain is limestone, right? So if you go find limestone, you probably know, it's geology, right? It's actually just comprised of all these little tiny micro-like snails and, and, and, and centipede things that were so numerous that they went, they lived, they died, they floated, they sunk to the bottom of the ocean,

and then the pressure of the ocean turned them into rock. And you're like, what are you talking about? That things like miles thick. And you're like, yeah, that's how much growth was going on. So if you actually look at the CO2 on Earth over time and why it's slowly gone down is because all that oxygen got trapped, all the carbon got trapped inside those limestone.

There's so much of it, in the earth that got buried essentially, they got taken from the atmosphere and then buried. That's why if you look at a long-term trend of the earth, CO2 started out, was way higher, way back in the past. You go back millions of years ago. And then over time, it's slowly come down to where, if it would have went too much lower, you know,

you know, it was at like 200 or something. If it went down or 250, somewhere in that range. If it went down to 150, actually all the plant life on Earth would die because there's not enough CO2 in the air. I thought we were trying to get rid of all this, CO2 on the planet? Well, so this is the question you ask is what CO2 level do you actually want in the atmosphere? Because it's been a lot, if you go back far enough, it's been really, really high.

And if you look now, it's, you know, at a fairly low level. And they go, well, we want it back in that 250 range because that's when we didn't affect things. And it's like, yeah, but there was a natural process to essentially capture all that, that carbon. And it buried it, essentially. And over time, it kept coming down. That's why if you go back far enough to like when the dinosaurs were and you see all the lush They talk about how lush it was and stuff. That's because the carbon dioxide was way higher.

And things, you know, to a certain point, you have 1,500 parts per million CO2, things are going to grow quicker. Oh, yeah, and much bigger. Yes. So you're a good person to ask this. I've now started seeing this conspiracy theory going on. And, you know, some of these turn out to be real. There's now a push saying that the concept that oil is a fossil fuel, right, was actually propaganda. That actually this oil isn't broken.

down dinosaurs that it's something else. Where are you at on this? So I've actually... Have you heard this before? The most convincing thing I've saw on that. Come in the Sean Newman podcast, put your tinfoil hat on. Let's go. No, no.

So this is interesting because who knows whether it was propaganda at the start, the whole fossil fuel thing or whether that was a theory that they went with. The Russians for a long time have said it's not a fossil fuel. It's naturally occurring. Now, for a long time, it's like, well, I don't know which one to believe. And it doesn't matter to me, quite honestly. But I just saw something the other day that on one of the moons of Jupiter, I think it might be Titan, but I could be wrong about that. There's actually methane on the surface of Titan. Now, with that, that leaves one of two possibilities. Either it's naturally occurring, which means it's not a fossil fuel or there's life on the moon of Jupiter. Or was life on Mars. That's right. And a lot of it, obviously, to produce methane. My guess is it's probably naturally occurring, which means it's not a fossil fuel at all. And isn't this the kind of stuff where you're like, no, no, no, but we know that's what it came from, right?

Like if there's one thing that COVID gave us, it was a loosening of our grip on like, what is it that we know? And I think like I came from from being a PR person for Monsanto, right? You were the propaganda. Yeah, I was the propaganda. He's really good at it too. But like, you know, you get to a point where you're like, ah, no, the way that I can know that I can know that I'm. I'm right is because the science tells me and how do we know that the science says that, well, there's enough people that are telling me that the science says that. And so I can move

forward with this. And you have to stand on something, right? You have, you have to have some beliefs on, but I am much more willing than I was a few years ago to be like, I don't know, maybe, maybe fossil fuels came from dinosaurs and maybe they didn't. You know, I'm not going to die on that hill for sure. And I think I'm going to be open to somebody telling me there's another way to look at it because if not, you're just boxed in. Well, and here's another pause. it might be both you know as you decompose plant material and animal material does it produce methane yeah yeah that could absolutely be the case we see that at like dumps and stuff right where degrading material you can actually capture the methane off that and use that at the

same time is it naturally occurring well if it's on Titan and I hope that moon I hope I got the right moon there because Jupiter has a bunch of them but if it's sitting out there already it's probably naturally occurring as well and you go well that probably makes sense too does it form on its own Yeah, how would it not, right? Does it only come from one process or multiple? So I think that's a real possibility. So, Sean, I have this voice going off of my head, and it's like, be careful what you say on the Sean Newman podcast.

I don't tell you why. I don't know if I, I think I did tell you this because I think I called you. So a couple months ago, reporter calls me up, says, hey, I've heard about this legacy interviews project you're doing where you're interviewing people to tell their life stories and that it's, really popular. People have really liked it. I'd love to do a story on it. sure I'd love to have the free publicity so she calls me up we have this conversation it's about like a

new publication that's coming out and and they're they're writing in-depth articles and a lot of my clients are farmers right and actually they're farmers a lot of them from Canada so she goes do you have anyone that would be willing to do an interview with me and so I'm like I'm sure I can come up with some and I happen to put her in touch with two two people that happen to be at the Sean Newman presents that we did here in Lloyd about a year ago, right? Okay. So they have a great conversation with her and they're like, ah, when I heard Vance's talk at this thing, I wanted to call him up and do this.

And so she's like, well, I'm going to go listen to the talk, right? So she calls me back up. And for people, that was SMP presents the rural urban divide. I don't think you said anything extreme there. Carry on. Okay. Yeah. So if anything is going to get you in hot water on this side, the rural urban divide

shouldn't get any hot water. Well, so she calls me up. And she goes, hey, just wanted to do another follow-up. The punchline of the article has kind of changed. And I'm like, tell me more. And she said, well, people were so fanatical about your talk that I went and listened to it. And now I've heard what you have to say about rural and urban people. And I think the focus of the article is going to change.

And I wanted you to know that before I published it. And I'm like, well, what did I say? I don't even remember. And she goes, well, you said that when people move into urban environments, like, they change. And I was like, yeah, I think that's right. Yes, I agree with that. And so I don't know, the article hasn't come out yet. But she was like, I didn't want you to feel like I broadsided you.

And I was like, all right, well, let's see where this goes. But that's what's got me thinking. Like, you got to be careful what you say on the Sean Newman podcast because people hear about it. And it comes back to get you. It could have been just a fluff piece on legacy interviews. Comes back to get you. I get a sense that this is not going to be kind. me but I mean like I'm not too worried about it when you work as the propagandist for

Monsano you get a little use to some angry articles I don't know speak the truth man and the truth shall set you set you free so if you if you don't go out and lie a whole bunch I don't think there's anything to really worry about I agree and I mean like frankly like if anybody one of the things that you have a podcast for is to realize like hey if somebody has a problem with what I'm saying come on here let's talk about it figure out what I got wrong or what I got right or where we're at? I've said this multiple times. I've tried bringing, you won't know who this is. I tried bringing on Charles Adler and had him committed. And then we missed because I'd put like, you know, like a Wednesday at 9, the 22nd. And he came on Wednesday at 9 on the 15th. And I'm like,

well, it's next week. And I don't know if he just looked into who I was. But within like three days, no, three hours. He was like, oh, by the way, I just can't make it. Oh, let's reschedule. No, I just can't make it. Best of luck, though. And he's like a mouthpiece, older. I admired him as a kid. What's amazing about Charles Adler is he started off, you know, doing his thing on the right side of the spectrum.

Yeah. And that at some point, it's not like he changed a little bit. It was like, did a complete 180. And now all he does is talking points on the left. And there's no, and you used to demonize the left essentially as a right wing guy. And now he's completely on the left and he demonizes everything on the, on the right side of this back now before we move any further i was going to give one and i'm like well that's going to be weird so i don't know what i'm going to do with dust but there we'll give

off one one each uh before we go any further uh you've entered the studio which means uh this is why i came here today i butted in so i could get a coin right uh but uh silver gold bull we we we're we were trying to find ways to entice people to come to lloydminster because tons of people and i was just literally having the conversation you should move to calgar i don't want to move Keogger. You should move to Eminton. I don't want to move to Ammonton. I don't want to move out of this town. And so then, you know, that months earlier graduated to the story of like, well, how do we make people, you know, at least kind of want to come to Lloyd Minster besides the people in the area and everything else? And silver and gold, silver gold bull, sorry, and I got in a conversation and

they were willing to give away a promotional silver coin to anyone who stepped into the studio. How do I take the plastic wrapper off so I can put it in a vending machine? This is beautiful, man. Like, I've heard you talking about this, and I think it's probably worth talking about Silver Gold Bowl for a little bit. Like, that is such a cool company. From what you've talked to me about just privately, just that they have caught on that people want hard money you had on today, David Oranski talking about Bitcoin, the fact that

they're giving something out that people are saying, like, hey, this is an actual physical thing, it holds value in it of itself. I think, one, it's great that they're a sponsor, but two, I think it like totally matches who you are, what you're doing. I think it's great, man. Oh, I appreciate that. Well, and I, I don't know what dust thoughts are on it, but, uh, I don't know, I was writing down, I've been trying to, people have been asked me more and more, more and more

this SMP presents ungovernable conference. And right now it's just, it's just like in this, it's in this like holding pattern. It's really irritating me. And so I was sitting there, you know, it's writing about it. I don't write about much, but I was writing about this. And I just was like, what's the biggest issue I foresee in 2024? And then if I were to take that and what in my history have I done that I was so thankful that I got right? And it was the 10-year mortgage.

And I have talked about this a few times in the last little bit. We argued here compared to the states, here we got, you know, everybody goes variable. and then for the most part, the longest one is five-year fixed, but you can do a 10-year fixed mortgage where you don't have, you know, you don't have to worry about interest rates skyrocketing or you don't also catch the benefit of it going way down. And me and the brothers argued about that for what? Two years.

Yep. And I never brought it on the podcast because at that time, I wasn't talking about anything but, you know, sports community, nothing to do with it. And now I'm like, man, how many people could we have woken up if we would have just talked about it? And so I've been arguing with myself about this conference because there's a bunch of things. And it's one of the things I wanted to bring you on to talk about today is there's a bunch of things that I think are really important for people to think about. But when I think about 2024, I go, the financial world is, I don't know, it feels like it's in tatters.

But in saying that every time it gets close, it seems like it carries on for another day. it's, you know, and so to me, I'm with the silver gold bull coin. One of the things I've been bullish on on my side is like silver and gold. I think it's a really smart thing not to get rich, but to like hedge your bets, especially in this country. And that's why I brought on Ranski, because I'm like, you know, I admire Vance and I admire a bunch of people and they talk about Bitcoin. And I don't talk about it at all.

So let's dig into that a little bit because if there's a way to navigate the coming, you know, Martin Armstrong says the next eight years. Is it the next two? Is it the next eight? Is the next 20? We better be trying to figure that out so we can navigate some of the rough waters that are certainly coming down the pipe. And so I don't know.

With the silver gold, it's one of the things I'm very thankful to have a company that aligns exactly with where I'm at. Well, and they've gotten out there and started selling stuff like this more retail, right? Yeah. Well, they're in Costco now. That's brilliant. Just brilliant, right? Make it accessible.

Make it so if people want to stack it away. And like if you're one of those people that's sitting there saying, ah, that's not going to be valuable. That's fine. But like if somebody wants to hold it, it's going to be worth more than a quarter is going to be worth. Or a loony to you guys. So I bought some silver coins from Silver Gold Bowl,

brought him home and showed him to my son. And he was just enthralled by them. Like he's 11. He's like, he's like, can I have these? I'm like, no. But maybe I'll maybe I'll give him this one. because he's really interesting that. There's something real about it, right?

That's why the kid is naturally going to like it and that you feel the weight of it. You're like, there's something real to this. Well, at some point, maybe I'll get a gold coin too and show him that because I think you'd, you know, that'll be like mind blowing to him would be my guess. The other thing I've thought about is getting them a really old coin,

like a roaming coin and giving them something like that just to look at and to feel and touch as something very different to be like, oh, this money. money's been around for a very long time and look how like this was around 2,000 years ago, right? Like that'd be something new from them. And we're getting back to what used to happen when people would be like, oh, dad took me up and he got me a savings account. Right.

Like, but if you taught your children, like let's go in and save your money in a savings account, what are you teaching them? Right? You're not teaching them this is the way your money is going to build. But using physical coins like this or Bitcoin, like teaching them about those things, like, what you're trying to do when you're saving is to store the value that you created with your time, your attention. and your skill. And when you have it in fiat dollars, those people can steal that from you

by printing more. And this is a way that you can hold that value in a way that's much, much more difficult to take away from a person. I think kids are interested in this right now too because so much is digital and on their devices or theoretical almost. And something like this brings reality home, essentially,

something they can physically touch. We actually bought own a 3D printer for Christmas and he's been building all sorts of stuff and some of it's like completely you know plastic junk whatever but he's now taking ideas and actually making them and uh and i think the physical when it comes to kids of this age is really important because so much of it is is digital and theoretical almost and having being able to physically touch something and interact with it i think is very valuable to essentially offset that so on that point i have a standing offer to anybody on my podcast. I'll throw it out to anybody on your podcast. So with Bitcoin.

Dustin knows exactly what's coming. I do. Finish your thought. With Bitcoin, there's mining, right? This is how you secure new Bitcoin that are being put out there. And then there's also a node. So a node is the way that like if you have Bitcoin in a wallet, if you don't have a node, then you have to take that money from the wallet and you have to say, hey, exchange, would you enter this number into your account and send that money to Dustin? and they could say, no, we're not going to, right? Or they could make it so you're not allowed to do it, right? But if you have your own node, and a node is just an entire listing of the blockchain. It's just a little tiny computer, and all it does is list out every single address and how much money is in every single address that's out there and where they've changed hands.

You can build a node for about $200 U.S. I don't know what to be Canadian, probably $600 zillion or something. Yeah, like $6 trillion. But you can build one of these nodes. Just over $300. And then you actually become the bank, right? You become the ability. Nobody can stop you from sending that money like David was saying in the podcast.

And now you have true freedom. You could have the value of something hard like gold, but now you can send it to somebody else and nobody can get in your way. And I've always said, if you have a child that is 18 years or younger and they build a Bitcoin node, they can come on my podcast and we'll talk all about it. So Dustin's been trying to convince Owen. No, no, no. So we're about three quarters of the way there.

Oh, all right. Yeah. I didn't know that. All right. Well, he's got a running start at it. No, no. He totally has a running start at it. And it's probably his father who's failed him because I need to help get him across the finish line on it.

Because there's some complexity to it for sure. But we have almost everything set up and almost there. We just need to. Oh, there you go. I didn't even know what we'd gotten that far. Oh, yeah. So I guess you hadn't even told me that much. No, I had to learn what.

What raspberry? Raspberry pie? Raspberry pie. Raspberry pie is just a really tiny computer. Really tiny computer. Really tiny. computer that just, you know, store stuff essentially. We have that.

Like, we've gone through a whole bunch of steps. This is going to be the kick in the butt dust and needs to get over the there's a magical moment when you get the thing set up and you plug it in and you say, I'm going to start downloading the blockchain. And you think like, all right, I got fiber internet at my house or whatever. Like this computer is just completely dedicated to going as fast as you can to download every single transaction that's ever happened. And when I did it about two years ago, it took five.

days of that thing going, you know, after burners on completely down to the hammer down to get the blockchain down. I wonder how many it'll be for you because like the blockchain's so massive now. Yes. Well, we've got the Elon Musk. Starlink. Starlink. So we'll see, we'll see how fast it takes, but yes. Cool, man. That's great. That's fantastic. It'll be, you know what it'll be. It'll be a flight to St. Louis to go do it in the studio. Oh, that's great. You know what? Owen would really like. I should, I should actually plan for that, that that would be a men trip, a man's trip to St. Louis to go do it. We could even do, if he comes down to, if you come all the way down there to do that, we'll do a kid legacy interview. Sure.

I've done a couple of these where people are like, hey, my kids just finished eighth grade or just finishing high school. And so I just sit down and talk with them about like, tell me about your friends. Tell me about what's going on in the world. What do you think is going to happen? And imagine as a parent being able to go back and watch your 11-year-old talk about his 11-year-old thought. and what does he think about marriage and what does he think about his work and what does he think about the world?

It's a powerful thing. Well, at the moment, he's, so we went to Florida in November, and so we went to Disney and did all that stuff. But his favorite part was we got to watch a SpaceX rocket launch. Oh, wow. And then we went to Kennedy Space Center the next day. And that was his favorite part.

And at the moment, he says he wants to be, well, he's kind of destined to be an engineer, probably because of his father. But he wants to work on rockets and design, and maybe go to space. So that's what he's leaning towards. Well, Elon Musk has freed so many engineers. My wife was an aerospace engineer.

And the problem was she got into doing aerospace. And it's such a bureaucracy. There are so many laws, so many rules, so many things that you have to put in. She was like, I didn't get to do engineering. I became an office worker that was just, you know, planning meetings and setting up schedules. So she left the profession because she wanted to be a rocket scientist. and there just weren't that many jobs and he's opening it up. So when I first started as an engineer in the oil field,

that was actually my biggest, my biggest critique or my, like I couldn't, I didn't feel like I was engineering. Like this is how you do things. This is, you know, everything was laid out. You follow this. You got to fill out this paperwork. And in the end, you're like, but, and I didn't realize it at the time, but I realize it now.

I'm like, no, but I like solving problems. And if you tell me I have to follow this every time, like it's boring, essentially. And so it wasn't until I found a guy in Lloydminster, which is the reason why I came back to the Lloyd Minster. And he actually wasn't an engineer. He was a tech. But he was actually testing stuff and doing research into what the problem was and how to solve it and how to improve things. And that I was like, oh, this is actually fun and exciting as opposed to just we do this, this, this, this, this. And so that's, I think it happens in any profession where you're like, well, and probably doctors are one right now that it's happening to where it's like, oh, you just do this, this, this.

this every time. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, but you know, the problems are dynamic and you need to, you know, look into the problems, figure out what's going on and then find solutions. Well, one of the coolest talks that I've heard anybody give is when Elon Musk addresses his SpaceX team. I was just maybe a month ago or so. And he talks about all the things they're building and all the engineers that are out there. And it is, I mean, it's just awesome to listen to. And if I were an 11-year-old thinking about becoming a rocket scientist, that would be the talk that I want to hear. But to your point about professional organizations, I am now of the mind that professional organizations have almost all been co-opted by the system and that the accreditation is actually

destroying what is real diversity and the real value of having people not thinking all the same, which is a diversity of ideas, right, a diversity of ways of doing things. And the American Medical Association, I've seen the Alberta, children's physicians, all these things. They have this bureaucratic organization that says, this is how we think about something. And if you want to be a part of our organization... Diversity doesn't mean...

It means diversity in everything but ideas and opinions. Yeah, that's right. And that's true. Diversity is exactly that. That's how you solve problems. And these professional organizations are using the trust that these groups had put in them to say, hey, we don't have time to be managing the bureaucracy.

We want to be being a doctor. We want to be being an engineer. We want to be a professional. You guys take care of all the background stuff. Make sure the laws get set up right. And instead those groups got turned on them. And now they're telling them, you got to believe these things politically. You got to do your job this way.

It's bad. So the funny thing about diversity is they're right. You need diversity. But they've gone too well. Diversity is your skin color or this or that or the other. When I look at it and what I do is I go, this person has this skill set and they approach it from that direction. And I need what they're saying to combine with the idea coming from someone else that has a different skill set and different experience to combine the ideas to make it better, bigger than what it originally was.

But it's not because they're female or because they're black or whatever gender race. None of that stuff matters. It all comes back to like if I'm building a, you know, a system and I've got someone who who welds and manuals and man manufacture stuff versus someone who operates it. They come from two different angles. And you need, so the operator is going to go, I need this, this, this, and this to make this work so that it functions right. And if you sit him down with the person who actually manufacture stuff, they're like,

look, I understand he wants this, this, this and this, but I can't do exactly what he wants because I can't manufacture that way. Or I can't make that work. But I can do this, this, and this. And if you sit at the table long enough, pretty soon you come up with something that is greater than what it would have been if you wouldn't have. those two people. But it doesn't matter what gender they are, what race they are. None of that stuff matters. It matters with about what their ideas are and what their experiences are that bring them

to that point. Well, that's the Steve Barber story. I heard him tell it on your podcast, right? The guy that does the Bitcoin mining, he was like, I'm a pump guy. I love pumps. That's, I live and breathe, think about pumps all day. And he was trying to work in the oil industry. And he was coming up with all these new ways to do pumps that would meet the requirements, but not in the way they wanted. And they were like, hey, we're not, we're not interested in that. We want you to meet these requirements. So he jumped out and did his own thing. And I mean, that, that's, that's real diversity there. Well, and that's the difference between large corporations and small ones is large become very good at what they do. And then at a certain point, you've got these people at,

you know, at the bottom or the middle that are trying to make changes because they want to try something different. And the large corporation, the large entity goes, no, no, no, no, no. but this is how we do it. And so they stifle that. And that's what happens is essentially those people in the middle or at the bottom that have these ideas leave because they're like, no, no, no, there's merit in this idea. And then they started working on those new ideas

and build them into something greater. But that's the problem with centralized big companies, corporations, all of it is they know what they want. They've had success with it in the past so they don't want to change. And that ultimately leads to their downfall, which happens in companies all the time. You know, we've been grazing around legacy interviews, and one of the things I kind of wanted to get to, you know, we were talking about silver and gold and different coins and teaching your kids that and everything else.

One of the things I've been fascinated with, with different politicians or different business owners is when they come from a line of that, right? And then they pass down said knowledge to the next generation. You have a real interesting eye on legacy interviews, and you can talk about your. idea if you want so people can hear it. But the importance of passing down knowledge to the next generation of not only society, but geez, like just in your own family, like passing down some of the lessons, some of the knowledge, you know, we've been really fortunate in the Newman's out of the family to have had, you know, like, dad's still alive. Knock on what, you know, like, hopefully for a long time. All of the, you know, and we had grandpa for a long time. Now, I wasn't

alive near as long as maybe dust or some of my older siblings. but, you know, to pass down some of those, those lessons learned through life. And that's a real important thing. It's why I'm so, you know, bullish on you being a part of said conference when it does come to fruition. Because I think the idea is really, really important. And I think there's a lot of pitfalls when it comes to even just starting a podcast. Because we were talking about business owners, you were saying before we got in here, like being a business owner is the hardest thing you've ever done, even over being a parent, right?

And I'm like, yeah, some days I'm like, what the heck am I doing, right? And then you run into guys who've been doing it for a long time. And they can just, oh, no, just go, just step over here, right? And some of that knowledge you're finding, I think, through these legacy interviews. Yeah, so like I said before, legacy interviews, people come in either as individuals or couples and they record their life stories. So people come in to my studio in St. Louis from all over the U.S., a bunch from Canada. we do some online. And this has given me like a very close up view on how do other people live

their lives. And we could talk about it on the individual level, like how important is it for a grandparent to be telling a grandchild the wisdom that they have. But if you zoom back the camera lens and you look at this as like a cultural issue, it's, I come from the starting point that almost everything that we have around us, all the ways that we interact, with each other is a social technology. Our ancestors figured out how do you organize groups of people so that even though you're not from the same clan, you can get along and you can make things work. And there's no better example than Lloydminster, right? Like you can't live on this frozen prairie without having people larger than just your people work together, farm together, share energy,

you know, figure out supply lines. And so this social technology is something that we take for granted, Because when we came into existence, when we were born, it was just all around us. It seems like it always works. Seems like it's always there. But the reality is somebody, some groups of people have to build it and then you have to maintain it. And it's the stories that we have about what things were like in the past, how we overcame this problem when we fell down and we got back up that allows you to learn the inner workings of these social technologies so that they can continue. And I think one of my big points I made during the rural urban one, I don't know that I knew it quite this clearly, as I know a year later now, is that when you move into the city, oftentimes you aren't as closely tied with your family. You aren't having the certainly daily interactions, but weekly or even monthly interactions.

So that passing down of knowledge isn't happening. And that that is in effect, I think one of the big reasons why we're watching social institutions ossify and then because, completely useless and people look at it and you're like why would I belong to that group anymore they're just a bunch of old people that aren't doing anything and nothing changes and they won't let me change anything and so those technologies go away and and we end up losing knowing how to get along with people and I think that's a large contributor to why our society is the way that it is right now because something's going to come in to fill that void and right now I think it's crazy ideology that's been untested in the world or tested and found wanting

and coming back again because something's always going to fill that void. So I look at legacy interviews that Vance does. Things on the surface level always change. And what you want from your grandparents or from legacy interviews is the lessons that are deeper that stand the test of time is how I look at it. And I think back to when grandpa used to tell us stories and, you know, we used to kind of laugh at him or even advice he used to give us about don't get any debt, get out of debt as quick as you can, those kind of things. And most of it didn't register with me when I was a kid. But it's years later all of a sudden I'm like, oh, don't have any debt.

I get that now. Like I understand where he's coming from on that. Now, they live through the dirty 30s and through a very hard time. And so they lived very simple lives, but, you know, he was very firm on not having debt. You know, I remember some of the stories he told about coaching hockey teams and how he approached, you know, the kids on his hockey teams or approached winning versus, you know, having a team, essentially. Some of those stories were invaluable that I learned from now. Now, you know, do you take everything from them? No, but they stick with you a long time afterwards.

And that's probably where legacy interviews comes in. so important and even hearing dad on the podcast going back and listening to that every once in a while and hearing all his stories about back when he was younger and we were little kids some of those things are you know you just can't replace so there's something beautiful about stories that have gone that have gone through an entire generation or you know two or three generations because whether or not that story literally happened the way that story was told there's some value and I've seen this now over and over again, that that family knows needs to be passed on so that the family can continue. And it's almost like this beautiful emergent philosophy. It's not like you sit down

in committee and say, all right, family, what stories are we going to tell to pass this down? But it's that his father or grandfather told him that about debt or they had to go through some terrible experience and they're able to pass that down. And that as that story goes on, even if the characters change and the reasoning behind the story changes, that core value passes on. I talk about this a lot. One of the best questions I ever learned to ask people is when they tell a story. Because if you hear people's family stories, oftentimes the punchline is like, I don't get it, right?

Like, I don't understand. You know, like there was a woman that told me about never leave your tabby cat behind or, and that's why we always ate porch butter, right? And so you're sitting there and you're like, what in hell does that mean, right? But one of the best questions I ever learned is what was the lesson in that? And then just shut up, right? Because oftentimes a person telling the story never actually stopped to think about what the lesson was that they were passing on. They're just passing it on.

It's like genetics that are passing through you. You didn't have any choice about it. But when they stop and they think about it and oftentimes they'll do like a, huh. And then they'll think about that thing and they'll pull this lesson out that you're like, oh, that's brilliant. So what was the lesson on the tabby cat? Well, that's one I'll tell at the Lloydminster thing today. The woman said, you know, the, so I'm giving a talk at Agrivision, which will have already happened by the time this podcast is aired. And the punchline of that story is there's a woman that her son bought her a legacy interview.

And he's like, mom has everything she wants, you know, we can't get her anything. the one thing I wish she would do is move off the farm. I know she wants to since dad died about 10 years ago, but she just, she won't move off the farm. I know she doesn't want to be there. And he's like, so I want to get her a legacy interview.

I want her to tell these stories. You know, I just, so we go through and we do this whole legacy interview. And we get all the way to the end. And I said, hey, in the beginning of the interview,

you mentioned all these sayings your dad had. Did you have any that you lived by? And the woman is like, yeah, of course, many of them. And I was like, well,

tell me about one of them. She goes, well, my dad always said, never leave a tabby cat behind. And I was like, okay, what's the lesson in that? And she says, well, you know, a tabby cat on our farm got rid of all the rodents. It alerted you if somebody else was on the farm. It was around and you kind of always knew that there was somebody looking out for you. So even though they get old and they aren't able to do that job anymore, you can't leave them behind. So I was sitting there thinking she maybe is feeling like the tabby cat.

I don't really know. But it's fine. People tell their stories. It seemed like a good one. We get up to leave and we leave and we open up the door. And I always tell people, if you do a legacy interview for your parents, if you can, be in the studio when they're done. So we open up that door.

Somebody's been talking about their life for the last two hours or five hours. You think they're ready to be done talking. No. They're in a state of euphoria. Like they've just jumped out of an airplane or something. And so the woman comes out and her sons there. They have a big embrace and it is just a wonderful thing. and the guy turns to me and he says,

so, Vance, did you learn anything from the interview? And I said, yeah, you never leave a tabby cat behind. And the son, who was smiling and, like, really excited, his face gets really serious and he kind of looks at his mom. Then he looks over at me. And then they just go on with the rest of the day. And so we say goodbye and everything's fine.

Three days later, I get a call from this guy. And he's like, Vance, you're not going to believe this. What's up? And he goes, well, my mom and I, are now on the way to the estate planner, mom is handing the farm on. She's going to leave the farm and move in with her sister in Minneapolis. And I was like, oh, that's great. And he's like, I think it's because of the legacy interviews. And what are you talking about? And he goes, well, we went to lunch afterwards. And I said, mom, is the reason that you're not leaving the farm literally because you don't

want to leave the tabby cat behind? And she's like, yes, of course. That's exactly why I'm not leaving the farm. And he says, mom, if we take over the farm, we'll take care of the tabby cats. And she goes, oh, no, Susan told me the day before your wedding that she was allergic to cats. And so I always knew that those cats would be gone. He was like, mom, Susan can take a Zyrtec. We're going to be all right. And you see, I think you could look at that as like, oh, they finally had a connection that the son agreed to take care of the tabby cat. But the reality to me is that. And that, you know, that that woman needed to tell her stories to be able to look at her past, to pick out those things that she had done and really accomplished. And in order to let go of being that productive person that took care of the farm and took care of her dad and let go of that to go on to become the wise person that didn't need to do that.

She had to tell all those stories. And so to me, that lesson of the tabby cat is about. I've said, so I've told you this lots. Me and you've talked lots about the legacy interviews. I've wrestled with it. I mean, man, what event was that of yours where I gave away, what the heck did we call it back in the day, Dust? It was a tree. Yeah, I can't remember.

It was at a curling ring fundraiser and kid Scottie. And Dust said, would you give away an interview? And I was like, yeah, sure. But the idea hadn't, like, nobody knew what the heck I was talking about, right? I had to get up and talk about the idea because, you know, what you're doing, I completely understand because I did it five years ago. Did my father-in-law buy one or did my brother-in-law buy one? Buy one and gave it to. And I talk about less and marriage.

I never use their names, but I talk about lots because he's the guy who talked about how did you survive, you know, some of the darkest years. Because they've got farmers, they've gone through drought. And he said, well, always in the good years you prepare for the bad. And I was like, it was just like this little short line. It stuck with me ever since then, right? No matter how high, you know the bad's coming. And what's wonderful about those interviews is I don't know if there's anything quite like it. That you just sit in here and like, oh man, this is like, and the thing about it is, is I was going to say, and I'm glad you said it.

But I hadn't thought about the kids being waiting for the parents. But I've always thought no matter who it is that sits across from me, nobody's sat and listened to them for that long in a long time, in a very long time. Once upon a time, you know, we talk about cousin Judy's interview because she talks about the different stages of womanhood, right? Of, like, where you're the, I don't know, the attractive, you know, and all the guys are watching, and then you're the mother, and you still, and eventually it all fades, right? And so a lot of people who come and sat in here were 80 plus.

I had a 98-year-old that took, it took 25 minutes for his, in my opinion, his tongue to actually work, because nobody sat and given them time of day and so a lot. And every time they walked through that door, it's almost like they were floating is my, the way my, they just, they looked a little lighter. You know, they walked in there pretty stiff and so, and they're nervous and they come out and they're just like beaming. And I haven't thought about the having the family members there to continue the conversation

on because the 98-year-old, he called me five times after to just like, oh, and I thought about this. And I'm like, oh, okay, oh, okay, yeah, like, cool. No, I didn't realize what you were doing there. But the coming out and seeing the family, that's a really key point. It's something that, you said it, the way. I always describe it is most people go most of their lives, never having anybody listen to them. You listen to somebody for like, hey, what's the to-do list item I got to do here?

What do I got to do to make sure that this, this, you know, even if it's a loved one, isn't getting in the way of the other things that I have going on. But we don't have those times when people are just sitting and being like, tell me what's next. Like, what happened then? And I think a lot of it has to do with the structure of our society, right? Just like going to church on Zoom is kind of a synthetic church, right? You're not actually getting the electricity that comes from being together. We have this false sense that social media allows us to spend more time with grandma and grandpa than we were a few years ago.

But grandma and grandpa aren't sitting there saying, you know, I remember one time when I was peeling the carrot that way and I cut my finger, let me show you the scar. And let me tell you about what I learned. And this is what happened. And oh, we had to go to the doctor. And, you know, this is how it played out. all of those stories, that richness that comes from the electricity of people being together isn't happening. And so for me, legacy interviews is a way that if you can't be with your grandparents, if the kids are too young and you know mom and dad or just, they're not going to be the same vibrateness that they have now in 15 years when the kids are ready to hear the stories, this is the next best thing. But it's why when I come up to a place like Agrovision, I'm giving away everything I know about how to have great conversations.

with people. I want every, because the world will be made better if people are sitting down and doing it with their own parents. Like I can do it and I'll do a great job of capturing it. It'll be a family heirloom. But the reality is the most important thing is you're asking your parents or you're teaching your children how to ask good questions so that they can be pulling that wisdom out. How much of making sense of one owns life is just talking, like getting it out is how I think

of it and like I know journaling you know lots of great people have talked about journaling to help make sense your life but just talking to someone and getting out what's happening so that you can make the connections in your own brain about you know what's actually happening what's at actually happening and how it all fits together just talking it out sometimes is important just to sort out what you know how the theme of your life is going or how everything fits together and how to make sense of something and and it's it's more than just talk It's a safe, I hate the thought of a safe spot, but a place where you can just go say whatever you want to say and then walk out and there's no judgment that falls.

And so when I came back from Ottawa, what have I been doing? I've been seeing a psychologist once a month. And what's important about that? It's a room where it isn't a family member and it's not that a family member can't be that person, but there is connections and they know who the heck you're talking about. And so there can be their judgment put it in onto it. You know, when I first came back from hockey, it was Heather Petherick. She was a career coach. And what was that?

It was just, I talked out the problem. She hardly said anything. And I went, oh, I got to, you already knew when you said it. Oh, that doesn't align. And so then you had to go do it. And we, very few of us take the opportunity to do that, which is to have a spot where you can talk out your thoughts or write them out. Because writing out is really important too. So when I first started, I went on my own.

I was an engineer for Husky in town. And then I went on my own. I was struggling because I was dealing, you know, first time being an entrepreneur, going on my own essentially. I had no one to talk through my problems with because there was no one that was involved with that, you know, engineering with me or whatever. And so I had no one to, you know, talk through the problems essentially. And so I hired a coach, which Sean mentioned was Heather at the start.

And I started talking to her, you know, once a month or whatever. And then I actually took a break at a certain point. And I had people, you know, running a company I had people I could talk with various problems with, but not the whole entire thing about. And so I went back to, I don't know how long I've been coaching now with Will or had Will coaching. But once a week now for the last, I don't know, three, four years. And I just like, it's just this huge dump of everything going on in my life. Because there's a lot, you know, I'm a busy guy. There's lots going on and just being able to, you know, most days I come in, I'm like,

ah, nothing's going right. And then we get to the end. He's like, wow, it seems like everything's heading in the right direction. And I go, oh, yeah, I guess it is. But coming in, I'm always like, just like, oh, this is going wrong and that's going wrong and nothing's going right. And by the end of the talk, I'm like, actually, everything's heading in the right direction. There's just problems, which always come up and you just have to get through them to get to the next step.

Well, right in line with this. So people come in to do these legacy interviews, and oftentimes they're kids buy it for them, they're adult children. And the parents are sitting there being like, you know, I don't know that I have any stories to tell or I don't know if the stories I have to tell are going to make you very proud of me because I had a lot of problems, right? I had a lot of things go on. My life wasn't perfect. And so many times I can't even name it, if you do a full day interview where you have mom go, I do a whole session with just mom, then we take a break and then I do a whole session with dad. and then we eat lunch and then we do mom and dad together. And the mom and dad together is magical because when you were raising kids,

when you were like scraping and trying to make it work, you are so focused on just surviving that you're not thinking about what you've done and really what you did. So so many times, like I've had people come by after, you know, do an interview and they'll say, you know, I don't know if I'm going to want to talk about the bankruptcy see the family went through. You know, that was my fault. But we get through and we're talking during the interview and they say, well, I'm not getting

judged. So I do want to talk about this. And then what they discover is a story they've never been willing to go back and look in the recesses of their mind by themselves because it's almost impossible to do, relive a memory just by yourself. But by saying it out loud, all of a sudden they're like, yeah, you're right, I did go bankrupt. But then I cleaned out pig barns for, you know, for 12 months. And we got that thing paid off.

And then we did this. And you know, and then you see the husband and the wife remember what they got through. And there's like, it's the greatest Valentine's Day gift or anniversary gift you could have because they're sitting there being like, we did it. And we never took the time to think about what we went through to get there. It's so painful in the period of time that you don't actually want to go back there very much because you remember all the pain associated with those hard times. And it's like, oh, yeah.

But we actually made it through. There was a lot of struggle and there was a lot of pain. And that's what actually makes it interesting. And memorable in the end is you make it through to the other side and all the things you sacrificed and had to do to survive and make it through. That's something to be proud of. But most people looking back in those times, you don't necessarily want to think about that because of how hard and brutal it was emotionally draining, like all that stuff.

Well, and this is, you know, maybe a stretch. But I think one of the reasons we're seeing so much anxiety. and depression among young people is that they've grown up in an age where they see their parents and they either don't remember that their parents struggled or their parents just were alive at a golden age and maybe they didn't have to struggle that much. And so they're sitting there looking at the world being like, I don't know how I'm going to make a contribution. I don't know how I'm going to get past all this stuff. And what they really need to know is that shit did go wrong because it doesn't matter if you were in a golden age. Your parents had to deal with like, who's going to do

these chores? Who's wiping that baby's ass after the dirty diaper? Who's waking up in the middle of the night? Who's struggling with their boss? And so these kids are sitting there thinking, mom and dad had it all figured out and how am I going to do it when the reality is mom and dad have just never had the occasion to be like, you know what? There were a few years when you were growing up that our lives were hell and we fought all the time and things were not good. But This is how we came through it. And it's those stories of failure that you then turn into and we made it here that that teach somebody something.

But is that totally new though? Like if you go back 50 years, like I don't think anybody, if you go back in time goes, yeah, I really like talking about those hard points. And so I think that's a problem with any kid that's coming into their 20s and 30s, let's say. And I was looking at the world like, well, mom and dad, you know, they had it together because they made it, you know, they made everything seem so smooth and put together. And I just I intuitively think that this is the major role that grandparents play.

Yeah. And that and that you need these multi-generations. Because you know what? Even if mom and dad did sit you down and be like, hey, you know, you little bastard. Like, do you know what you were doing? You're not going to hear it in the same way. And I think that's why grandma and granddad telling you their stories. You're not like, but you were mean to me and you didn't let me go on that date.

Yeah, they're a little bit further away from the personal side of it when it comes to parents. You're probably right about that. You know, when it comes to grandparents. That's the way. And that's the way undervalued thing in small towns, places like Lloyd, is that kids do get to grow up with their grandparents around. And they do get this passing down of knowledge. And I do genuinely think it makes for a different human being than somebody who's living far away from multiple generations. So there's something about that, for sure, on the grandparents side.

My kids have like 22 cousins or something and most of them live around Lloyd. And that adds a whole different element as well because it kind of. is not a friend, but it's not a sibling. It's somewhere in between those two things. And so they get to hang around with those people, hang around with their cousins, but it's less, I don't know, less jockeying for position, I think, socially, because it's a cousin and you're going to see them multiple times a year at all these functions. And so it's a different relationship that means a lot.

I can tell my kids, you know, they love having lots of cousins on both sides, that they get to see numerous times a year. They're stable those relationships. They don't have to worry about them going away, essentially. So the grandparent side of it, yes, the cousin's side is something that I'd never really thought about too much until I had kids and watched them interact. And I'm like, oh, there's something there as well that is important or meaningful. How many times you've been sitting around with your kids and our parents and, or Vance, fans, parents? And there's something on, that doesn't matter, the TV, the radio.

a board game and something said and the kid goes, I don't know what that means. And I'm like, actually, I don't know what it means. And then the older generation starts laughing and they'll tell you the story of what it means. You're like, well, I guess we're both learning something today, right? Like, that happens quite often. Well, I think that is one of the great tools

of somebody that's trying to get other people to tell their stories. We, in ag, you guys are kind of ag-adjacent. There was a huge push when I was working for Monsanto. Farmers, tell your story, tell your story, tell your story. I think the more important thing is figure out how to get other people to tell their story, right? That's the real skill. And one of the tricks of the trade to getting other people to tell stories is being completely comfortable saying, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, right?

And like, letting somebody laugh that you, just the other day, two women were in and there were two grandmas that only known each other for a few years and they wanted to both tell their grandma stories to the kids. It was a really neat experience. And one of the grandma says, well, I was a car hop. And the other grandma jumps right out. I was a car hop too. And I was like, I don't know what a car hop is. And they laugh and they have this great time. They're euphoric.

And now they're telling me about how a car hop is the person that would, when you would do a drive up, you didn't have a drive-through window. People would pull their cars up and there'd have to be a waitress that would go up and serve you at your car. That's called a car hop. by me being willing to say like, I don't know what that is, or you being like,

I don't know what that is. It makes them the subject matter expert. And if they can laugh at you or with you, then there's this feeling of catharsis that comes from it. They get to tell you these things, and the gates open wide. Yeah, I don't know. I grew up in hockey culture, right?

And hockey's really interesting because, like, you go play junior and you want to be the 20-year-old. within like the first two days you're like, I want to be the guy who's the king of the mountain, right? But that takes time. And when you become the 20-year-old, you go, I just want to go back to being the 18-year-old

because I know I'm moving on. And then when you get to college, it's the same thing, right? You want to be the senior, but by the time you get the seniors, it's all gone. And you wish you were back. And what you want from when you're a freshman

is for the senior to like take you under their wing, so to speak, teach you the nomenclature, the customs of the said dressing room, which is pretty much the same across all dressing rooms, but each one has their little unique things. And it's probably why I enjoyed senior hockey so much, because you got to play 10 years on the same group

with mostly the same guys. You walk into the room, and after the first year, you have your little inside jokes that go on and on and on and on and on, and the young guy comes in and you all tease them, but over time he earns a spot, and then he becomes part of that group that teases the newcomers that come in, and eventually you hit, you know, in hockey,

you look at our oldest brother, Jay, why does he love playing with the Never Sweets? He's the young guy, but they have this culture. There's, and I'm probably speaking in tongues right now for Vance, but there's this culture of these old boys who play. They got as young as, what, 45 to 78 still playing hockey. You can imagine what goes on in that dressing room and how they still share this little thing that moves across time,

and they keep adding guys in as they fall out. And you think what you did for those, old ladies is you transport them back to a time where they were doing these things and like it lights them up. And what you need is interaction between the generations. Otherwise, they're just old and they just fall off. Because eventually you hit the end where you're 90 or you're 85 or whatever. I got people who are listening to me right now and we're not saying you're old, but I'm just, I'm just saying you're getting. And if you're not interacting with the young generation, younger generation, then those stories just go to die. And I could see how, how, you're,

your energy goes to nowhere. I think it's so easy for us to see that young kids that don't get the wisdom of their parents and grandparents, they're adrift, right? There's all this research that shows depression rates go down, drug addiction goes down, anxiety goes down if you know your family stories. And they don't even have to be good family stories. Just you are anchored to a larger picture, right? You're in the fabric.

I believe that the older adults that don't get to tell their stories are just, is retarded in their growth, in their maturation as a young kid that never grows up. It's the older person that never gets to move from their productive years to their wise years. And telling those stories, to your point, is pulling those things out, looking at them and saying, like, that's not something I have to be afraid of. There was a lesson there. And let me pass that lesson across the table to you because now it can maybe do some good for you. But in that, in doing that, your brain, and actually there's research on this.

It shows that the matured brain, the wise brain, the connections move slower. The electricity moves slower across your brain, but it moves across more synapses. It actually is spreading out. It's grabbing more information. It's seeing patterns that it couldn't see before. And I believe the way you make that brain transfer is by telling your stories. So there's an interesting interaction between the older generation and the younger. And I'll actually tell a story about animals on our little acreage.

Because we already know that, you know, the wisdom coming down. to help the younger generation makes a lot of sense, but there's energy that transfers from the younger generation to the older generation. And this is about animals, but I think it applies to people as well, is we had an old horse on our acreage at one point. It was like 27, 28, near the end of its life.

And we had some young lambs. They were, you know, less than a year old, young lambs. And they were in a pen, you know, in this two-acre spot together. And what would happen every night at about dusk is those lambs would start ripping around the two acres because they're young sheep and that's what they do and after about a week well okay so every time they got scared though they'd run to the horse this old horse that didn't move very much they'd run and gather around it you know we had a train go by our place every time the train whistle would blow that the young lambs would run up to the old

horse and want to protection by the old horse but what happened over a couple of weeks is every time at dusk those lambs go up for their run and you know they're running around and being young animals, all of a sudden the old horse started running with them and started, you know, and it wasn't as fast, obviously, but it'd go for a little trot to try and keep up with the young lambs. And I sit there and I look at that in, you know, for humans, I think the same thing happens where it's as valuable for the, for the senior to be around the younger generation because the younger generation has so much energy and it allows or forces the senior to to move more.

Well, you feed off that energy. Yeah, absolutely. You just absolutely feed off of like, it's transferable. You get annoyed by kids sometimes because they have so much energy, but it does, it forces you to like, well, you can't sit around all day. The kids have lots of energy. You've got to do something with that, right? When I was in graduate school, I lived just outside of New York City, and my dad had had

this mentor named Pete Scotis, and Pete invited me to come in and visit him, and he was 85 years old at the time. And so I was like, all right, I'll go in and have a dinner with them. Well, Pete and I ended up becoming great friends. And so throughout graduate school, and then even when I lived in Washington, D.C., he taught me how to be an adult. He took me to buy my first suit and taught me how to, like, get it fitted and do these right things.

He didn't buy it for me. He just had me do it. We would go out to restaurants. He taught me how to eat at nice restaurants and how to behave. He taught me how to drink responsibly. And when we, he's still alive, but now he's blind and you can't get. get out very much. And we had an experience where he said, you know, this is going to be the last time when we really see each other. And I sat there. I'll even kind of tear up right now.

Like I was like, I can't possibly thank you enough for everything you did for me. Like the amount you chan, I could never have met my wife. She would never have been interested in me. Had you not helped me. And he was like, you gave me 10 more years of being, you know, young and vibrant and going out and having drinks and, you know, doing all these things. And I don't think I gave him 10 more years. But you see that he was like, we had fun. We got to do stuff together. We went on adventures. And I think that's that. And I didn't have a grandparent. So as I'm talking about all these stories about grandparents passing her down to children, I don't have that in my world. The best I have is my mentor. I actually got to do a podcast with him, which is really.

I've listened to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're all saying similar things, right? Dust the story about the animals, your story about Pete, I mean, and other things, right? Me talking about the hockey culture and how, if you can keep playing, right? Like, it's, it makes human beings better. It makes society better. Well, you were just on my podcast, and we talked about community, and I've been doing, you know, I know you've been thinking a lot about it, and it's something I'm really interested in, particularly as a social technology. How do you make it last. I just interviewed for the second time an Amish farmer on my podcast.

It's funny. It popped up on my phone as soon as we walked in here. Oh, it's a great, it's one of the great ones and not because I'm a great host, but because this guy is just brilliant. Well, we end up talking about like,

hey, how do you guys do church? Do you enjoy going to church? Do you have to sit there and smile? And he's like, well, for people wondering, John Kemp,

right? John Kemp, that's right. I haven't listed the second one, but the first one is brilliant. Well, the second one's even better. I open with the so what are your thoughts on Bitcoin.

But in any case, we have a great conversation about community. And there's a bunch of lessons that like the Amish, I'm sure the Hutterites are similar, where they figure out like, how do you grow a community? And then when you outgrow how big it can be, how do you split off and let a new colony or group of people get working and moving? And there's a lot of lessons in there about how to grow that they aren't in my calls. We don't know how to do it. I got to go out and look and find it from somebody else.

So I look at like, so I'm part of the Kid Scotty community now. And Kid Scotty has been a certain way for a long time because there was a certain group of people and they're all seniors now or close to it. The boomers essentially built Kid Scotty and everything in it to a certain point. And that's the way the community's been for a long time. And I'm working with a group of people to add a new facility there and try and reinvent the regional park

that's there. And the idea is that, so what was built there was very good and built Kid Scottie, what it is today, a strong community. But the whole, it needs to be reinvented or new stuff needs to get built to continue on the community of Kids Scott. You know, you could let all the buildings fail and the groups die. And then Kid Scottie would be less than what it is now. But to take what was there and try and improve upon it and try and grow it again. that's the challenge that that community faces. And I look at small towns around, you know, Western Canada. They're all facing similar challenges where you've got this infrastructure that was built by

the boomers, you know, 30, 40, 50 years ago. And no one's, everything's kind of stayed the same up to a certain point. And now things need to get done and things need to improve. And how do you reinvent, you know, because lots of people like to move out of the small communities and are moving to the cities. And it's like, well, there's still value in the. these small communities. How do you, how do you build a community that people want to be a part of? And there's things small communities can do that large communities, you know, Lloydminster's different

than kids got. He just got a size. And there's some benefits to that size, but there's some benefits to being small. And I think we've forgotten that over time a little bit where everyone's like, no, no, no, no, go to the city, go to the city, go to the city. And it's like, no, no, there's some value in being small and the personal connections and the community that gets built in a small place versus a larger place. And trying to reinvent that or reinvigorate what that is. That's what I'm looking at currently. And I look at that for the next 20 years.

And it needs to be reinvented. And it's just starting to in my mind. Well, I think that the thing that happens in a small town is that each individual is needed. Right. There's a place for you. And if you show up, even if you don't have much in the way of skills, you're like people will notice that you're there. And the challenge of being in a city is you are infinitely replaceable.

Or at least that's the way you'll feel until you find a small enough community to be able to be a part where like, hey, if Dustin doesn't show up, this thing just doesn't happen. And I think in small communities, the advantage you have is, you know, everybody, everybody's needed right there. There's nobody coming to save you. And like, I don't know, you sad from what we've talked about in the last year, you're a great organizer.

I have many times said you are literally the best organizer of anybody I've ever met. You get people to do great things. You got your brother ride across Canada with you right on your bike,

but you also have organized. I'm pretty sure I got him to ride with me. Oh, that was either way around. I don't know. I'll tell the story. I'm sure you got me to go, but we were driving to Emmington.

Do you have water in here? This is the first cup of coffee I've had in like a month. I'm about to explode. Funny, I have one bottle left just for vans. Rattling here. We were driving to Emmington. It would have been in 2005 because we went in 2006.

So, you know, I'm 18, 19. Well, I would have just turned 19. And Dustin had come back from traveling the world for a year. And so we were driving. I can't remember why we were going there. But regardless, I was just asking him, you know, like, where would you go next? Because, like, I think there's a. a part, whether it's in every human being and whether it's in every man, whether it's in certain

cultures, I don't know. But I want to go explore the world. Like, I want to go see it. Even now where I sit with this, you know, like, I want to go explore the world. I want to interview people all over the world and see there are different stories, there are different thoughts. Like, to me, that's just like such a tantalizing idea. So we go back to when I was playing hockey out in Dryden.

It was during the summer, Dust was back. We were making a road trip to Ammonton for something. And I was driving and I was asking them this. And he's like, well, actually, you know, everywhere I went in the world, people asked me about Canada. And I didn't know what to say because I hadn't been across all of Canada. So I could only talk to Western Canada in certain parts. And, you know, and at that point, you know, he's like, so I think what I'd do is I'd travel Canada. And I started laughing.

I'm like, come on, travel Canada. And then back in that day, we pulled out, I had maps in my door because I was driving across Canada, right? So I had a map for every province to navigate my way from lower. to Dryden, Ontario. And I had a book. The first time I left home, my parents, probably my mom, bought me like a big book. I still have it.

It sits in my wife's vehicle, actually. It's just a map of like all of North America, so you can go to any state. Yeah, you've got to have an atlas. You're not a prepared human being if you don't have an atlas. So anyways, we start looking and he goes, you know, probably the way I'd do it is I'd bike it. I found wherever he was at at that time. You know, there's something really about biking a country and, like, see. seeing it for yourself and not at like lightning speed.

So where that came from was when I was in Vietnam, uh, there was a group, uh, that organized bike trips for one section of Vietnam. And it's from Delat to Naatreng. I remember this. And it was, it was from the mountains to the coast essentially. And, and I'm like, oh, that sounds kind of cool. I'll do it.

So there was three or four of us that I've met while traveling and we're like, let's bike this. And it was a long day of biking. Like it was a hundred and twenty kilometers, you know, uh, 70 miles. miles or something like that. And, but the neat experiences I had on a bike were just like unforgettable, you know, going through a Vietnamese town and there's a funeral procession coming up the road. And so you pull off to the side with your bike and take your helmet off, right, to show respect. And so you're standing there watching this funeral procession go by and then some, you know,

they don't have much body hair in Vietnam. I don't know if you know this or not. But I'm wearing shorts. And one of the guys from the funeral procession comes over, grabs onto my leg hair and pulls pulls it and then says something to his buddies and they all burst out laughing and keep on walking. You know, and so when it comes back to why biking, I just remember seeing the country, you get to see different stuff on a bicycle versus a car because you're moving slower and you have to interact with people. Anyhow, that happens at a truck stop and it means something really different.

So the conversation in this car ride, right? We've driven the Emmington to Lloyd Drive now. You've got two hours. So we're sitting there. And I'm going, like, how many kilometers would that be? So then we added it up. You know, we just, you know, there's little things in the Atlas and you just, I don't know, it's a little under 7,000 kilometers, let's say, okay. And then we're like, well, you know, the only time you can do that in Canada is summer, which works well for me because I was playing hockey at that time. So the only time I get off is the summertime.

Okay, well, how many days would that take? So we did the math. You know, if you did this many, it could be as short as this, as long as this. Well, geez, wouldn't you know, that just fits right in the time frame of me getting off hockey and like being able to go do it. How much would you need? And so we just worked out all the problems. We just, you know.

Yeah, engineered it. And then it's like, do you want to bike Canada? And I was like, I don't know. Do you want to bike Canada? And pretty soon it's like, okay, you got this tantalizing idea of biking Canada. And all of a sudden it was like, well, I need to make some money. I'm broke. I'm a hockey player.

When would we do it next summer? What are you going to do in that time, you know, start saving your pennies, right? That's why a tree planted. I hated it. But I tree planted so I'd have enough money to go biking Canada. I didn't realize that's why you tree planted. Oh, God, I hated that job. Love you, Rob and Janet for getting me that job.

But man, did I hate that job? It just drove me nuts. But anyways, tree planted because it was really good money and you worked six days a week. You didn't have time to spend money. And it was physical. So it kept you in decent shape. And so that's why we bike Canada. It was just a stupid me asking him where he would go next.

It's no different than some of your questions. just asked the question and listen. And I just listened and was like, all right, well, that would be something, right? I went back to hockey. I was in phenomenal shape. I mean, I just biked one of the largest countries in the world all summer. I mean, you got an opportunity to go exploring, which was a ton of fun, and be in shape, because every day you were biking between, you know, 60 to 80 miles in your, you know, in your world.

And the core of it is that you just started, right? Like, that's the thing. It's like, just start. How's it going to work out? What's going to happen? I don't know. You just start. Well, and the thing was, which really funny about it

because you'd be like, you guys were morons. We bought all this stuff, right? We went to Mountain Equipment Co-op, I want to say, and said, like, you know, we're thinking about biking can it. You guys ever bike before? No. Okay. Let's help it, yeah.

Let's help fit. They give you all this stuff. In the first five miles, we get a flat tire. None of us, none of the three of us had ever changed a tire. So we're like sitting. It took us, half hour to fix this tire. we got it fixed got back on the road right and none of us had ever patched tire did that didn't realize you could wear out a chain on a bike oh we did that didn't realize pretty much every

bolt on a bike can rattle out if you ride it enough oh we did that and you just learn all these things and then you get to see you know like they tell you to hate Ontario and Quebec right like being out here some of the nicest human beings I've ever met are those two provinces and you how would you ever I can't forget that I just can't I just can't forget the The human experiences we had over there where we're biking down the highway in, somewhere in like Nova Scotia, I want to say. And that old guy came running out. We're in the middle of the war. Hey, come back.

And we're like, oh, maybe, you know, somebody's dead. No, he just wanted some company. So we went and sat and had a couple glasses of water with them in a conversation. An amazing garden. And then carried on with it. And that's what you get when you slow down, when you just take the speed of going across the country and you slow it down. Now, you need the time and the energy and a whole bunch of other things go, right? but so speaking of starting things and I'm I'm reluctant to bring this up with that voice in my

head being like remember people will listen to this podcast but you are starting you're trying to do the ungovernable Sean Newman presents ungovernance I already think that the name's going to change because I've talked to enough people certainly there's people who listen love the name but it's not about revolting against the government it's it's about becoming like self-reliant it's about it's about doing things that really really matter and then creating and fostering those connections so those people can meet and go out and do better things like creating community and and and on and on and so when i think about that i'm like okay well one of the one of the stop-ups is the name of it okay well let's change that one of the things is like time of

year like when should this happen and i'm like i keep trying to force it into this like round hole with the square peg or vice versa and it just won't fit i'm like so it's driving me nuts but at the same time sometimes you just got to start and i don't look at a like it happens and then it disappears for the rest of time like I want it to go again and again and slowly just you know shape this thing in the right direction I'm glad to hear you're open to the name change because like I'll tell you exactly why I personally was like hey man you call it ungovernable I don't think I'm coming and that's was for two reasons the first one is I think that you underestimate

how much of a difference you are making in Canada and how much you're being heard and how much ultimately what you are doing will become a threat to power. And I think that that's something you should take very seriously. You know, I've told you before, if the government ever really turns in the past, in the not very distant past, with people that look and sound really similar to us, there's waterboarding and surveillance and people reporting on each other and it's bad. And I think, like, that's not to dissuade you from doing, you know, your, podcast I think is deeply important, but you should just be aware that it's not just you,

it's you and your family and all the people that associate with you. And that's serious. And the second reason that I was like a little reluctant on this name. Well, so first of all, calling it ungovernable and it's just kind of putting your head up, right? To me, that's like you could choose a lot of terms that would say the same thing. My head's already up, but fair enough. And then the other one is, so just today, or yesterday, when I came across the border into Canada, I flew into Calgary. I had to talk to the guy and he's like, so what are you doing here?

And I have to say, I'm here for work. What do you do for work? Well, I give talks. What's the name of the conference you're going to, right? And I got to be like, agrovision. But if I instead had been like, ungovernable, right? Like, there's always a chance that he's going to be like, okay, sir, why don't we go over into this waiting room here and we'd like to talk with you about.

Yeah. So one of the, it hasn't aired yet. I just had Jeremy McKenzie on. He's what? They think he's the head of the team. terrorist organization that's head guy is a time traveling goat who does cocaine, right? Like, it's a meme. Regardless, he's been treated as a terrorist in Canada.

And one of the things he said to me that really stuck with me is, imagine you can get on a plane. You're going off to whatever, war. And there's a guy sitting there and he's going to tell you exactly how you're going to die or live. And he goes, and if your answer is, oh, fuck, I'm not getting on the plane. Then what you're doing isn't worth it. Now he goes, now if you go, it doesn't matter, I'm getting on the plane, then probably what you're doing is worth it.

And what he was talking about was a bunch of different things, but one of them is, you know, like, is the Persians coming through the hot gates to, you know, if you don't go stand there and die, chances are you going to die anyways, because the Persians are going to come over and take over your city and kill all your kids or rape all your women or worse. And to me, at times in Canada, it's time to go stand at the hot gates. It is. Does it have to be named ungovernable? No, it doesn't. Like, to me, that's where my brain is at. Not because I'm revolting against government, because I see what the government represents, and I don't like it. I don't like it one ounce. But I want to build something that people feel comfortable coming to because it's a way of exchanging ideas, creating community, fostering these really important ideas that we talk about out here all the time. But here in Canada, like, my head's up. You know, the, the, the, I'm not, we, we, we, you, you, you, you, you know, like, different things, like, you know, like how bad it can get. It's pretty freaking bad.

It is pretty freaking bad. Can it get worse? Always. Always it can. But, I mean, in our own province, we had four guys, now two, because two of them played it out. Did they do some stupid things?

Like, taking a gun to a protest? Yes. That certainly looks like it was there. Did he use it? No, did they lock them away for two years? Yes. Did they jail a guy for 10, 10 months for hitting a pile on? Yes.

So, like, part of our guys. government's already there. Part of the reason I'm probably not more scrutinized is because I'm a family guy who holds values, traditional value, I think. I'm pretty, no, you don't think so. Okay. No, I think it's just you haven't. I haven't hit the button. Yeah, you will. Like, it's coming. Like, I mean, you're, you're interviewing the premiere of a province who's the most outspoken in Canada. Yeah, and, and, you know, maybe it's her at the next election or maybe it's not or maybe, like, who knows. And I'm not saying stop doing it at all. I mean, but I don't know how to stop. I said it on my podcast. You know, if you look at the, you know, the common phrase, you're the average of the five

people you spend the most time with. Sure. And I always describe it. You have to include who do you listen to on podcasts, right? Because if you spend more time listening to, if you spend an hour every day, listen to somebody on the podcast, that's more time than I get to spend with my other friends. So you are in the top five of my people. So I'm fully supportive of you continuing to talk with people, even the crazies that you bring on. But like, you can't go in blindly. Like, as your friend, I am not going to let you be like, ah, this is Sean Newman podcast in Lloydminster.

It's true. This is legitimate. It is real. There are people that do not like what you're doing. And if you have another circumstance that occurs that drives your culture to do another trucker convoy or push back on something else and you again ride that wave up, there's going to be attention on you that's, that's, much, much hotter than anything you felt so far.

I would agree. But I go back to Jeremy McKenzie's story. Like I'm getting on the plane. It doesn't mean the plane ride's an hour long or a day long. And then you know exactly where it's going. This is a plane ride that's going to take could be 50 years. Could be two years. I just, at this point, I don't know what else to do.

We saw we're not talking about it got us here in Canada. It wasn't a good place. I think there's two different ways to handle it, though, in general. And I look at someone, Jeremy McKenzie, his approach versus something like Daniel Bulford. And I look at how Bulford handled the whole trucker convoy. Sure. You know, that's about as well as you could handle something like that in my mind.

Yeah. And you need a little bit of both, don't you? Oh, oh, for sure. For sure. Absolutely. You need some people that are willing to rock the boat, rock the boat, make a scene. And you probably don't know who Daniel Bulford is, Vance, but he was in... RCMP for a long time.

And he rose up to the ranks of being in one of the best units that protected the prime minister in different things. And he came out in the middle of COVID. He was one of the organizers, essentially, of the trucker from convoy once it was in Ottawa. Yeah, he was a volunteer that made sure things didn't go off the rail. He liaison between the convoy and the cops. Oh, yeah, I've heard the, you did a podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the end, he gave himself up and was let go essentially by the RCMP of the government or whatever.

And it ended up moving out to Alberta. But the way I see how he handled that whole trucker convoy is someone who was helping organize it. And he kept, he was one of the people who kept the convoy from going, you know, because there was some people there who wanted to escalate things out there without a doubt. There always is. And he was one of the people that was in the end helping organize. He didn't start off organizing it. But in the end, he was one of the organizers who kept things from spiraling out of control. He was very stoic.

Yes. Yes. He had a great line on. a video where they're interviewing them, forgive me, folks, is it right before he gets arrested? It's somewhere in that. Maybe it's the day he gets arrested, you know, and people are asking, I can't remember what the exact question is, but he goes, we win either way, right? Like, we're going to win either way. They arrest us, we win. They don't arrest us, allow it to continue, we win, because we're showing and exposing by being peaceful noncompliance is the way I took,

what he was saying. He's a wonderful human being. And so the going in, I would say, going into Ottawa, I was naive. Since Ottawa, I'm no longer naive. I just go, you still have, we still have problems, we still have to keep pushing, we still have to keep talking, we have to keep creating these values and building communities up and bringing families up and bringing men up in the right way so that they're Daniel Bullfords of the world, right?

Instead of, I don't know, watching the Super Bowl eating 10 bags of Cheetos, watching porn, not taking care of themselves, not interacting with their kids, not volunteering in society, on and on and on it goes, right? Like there's two ways to go about moving forward. And I'm certainly trying to align myself more with the Daniel Bulford of the world and less with, well, the other character I... Yeah, I mean, next time to me, whether it's going on in Canada or the U.S.,

there are going to be more people that pop up and say, ah, look at how much popularity people got when they got in front of this movement. and there will be people that will be trying to stir up mob mentality as opposed to collective action. Well, it's happening in Europe right now, right? They're having massive protests, the farmers, right? Like, it spread from the Netherlands farmers to, like, everywhere, Germany, France, on and on. Yeah, it's truly hard to understand that because I was initially right on board with the farmers like, hey, they're pushing back on something like, there's probably something going on.

And then a guy popped in and was like, well, they're unhappy about not getting enough subsidies. And then I started to look into it. And I do not understand what's going on with the farmers. All I can say is they are definitely at a point where it's more beneficial for them to sit and congest traffic than it is for them to be preparing for a planting season, which has got to be coming up soon. This is actually why I don't look or comment on most other places in the world because I don't understand it well enough, essentially. saying I don't have the time and energy to look into the nitty-girdy details of it all. So you go, oh, this is happening there. This is happening there.

I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I know what's happening here. And I'm well informed of what's going on in Alberta and Canada. But when it comes to the rest of the world, I almost look at it as like, well, this is not my battle to fight. You know, they're fighting it. Are they right? Are they wrong? I don't know.

But it's for them to sort out, essentially is how I look at it. I feel that way about Canadian politics, right? Like, I'll come and talk about culture, but I don't have anything to say about the way you guys run the country. But I don't think we want you to come talk about, you know, like, having Tucker up here was, was a lot of fun because he's such a big spotlight. For him to come spotlight Alberta and be like, hey, there's some weird stuff going on here. Really cool, because there's tons of independent media talking about it. But we're not, we're these tiny little like pen lights in the dark, you know. And even then at times it's like it's, it's kind of faulty and it

doesn't want to, you know, is it actually shine? You get the big, giant spotlight of Tucker Carlson coming up here and Jordan Peterson like it really boom it lights everything up and he talks about certain things that we all think are insane but our our our legacy media or maybe that's not that regime media maybe that's a better way to say it is is is you know is paid by the government they're not supposed to talk about a whole bunch of of things and so we don't but we don't need the vans crows of the world or I don't think we do maybe does the argument on that here's the thing about Tucker Carlson and all the rest of it too, though, is that he's not actually coming in here to solve the problem either. Like Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson isn't coming here to not try and

help actually solve the problems anymore. Now they comment on some of it, which some of it, I guess, is welcome, quite honestly. But at the same time, they're not the ones who are actually going to go into the system or, you know, fight to do what's right or make things right in here. And that's what Peter, that's what Peterson said on stage at Rogers Place? What was that? I don't I don't know, six, eight months ago, he said, listen, I don't live here anymore. I'm not coming back to win this for you. I don't, you know, you, and he's pointing out the crowd, you've got to figure this out. Yes.

And they're right. So having them come is great, but knowing they're not going to be a part of the battle, well, that's great, right? Thanks. Thanks for pointing that out, right? You're going to go and be, you know, loud about it somewhere else, but not have to face the consequences of being loud about it somewhere else. And I'm being a little bit tongue in charge.

cheek because I mean this is obviously a some of these problems are larger than just Canada but they're not coming to fight our battles in Canada or as small as Alberta or wherever you're at yes thanks for coming in I mean I'm really glad to be here it's fun to be back in Lloydminster you know two years in a row it's like my dad one time speaking of stories that you're like kind of blowing off my dad was like you know it's it's easier to be welcomed into a big city you think like oh going to the big city that's going to be hard can I make it there? He's like, but they sit there and welcome, you know, new people with open arms.

The harder thing is to be able to go to smaller communities and be welcomed in by them. And I didn't know what this meant. But when I went out and joined the Peace Corps and traveled around in Central America, you start realizing like, if you can go to a place where they know that you're a stranger, because not everybody is a stranger and they want you there. They invite you to their house. They invite you to come back. That's when you're like connected with. things. And so coming back to Lloydminster a year later, it's like very meaningful to me. It feels like yeah, you've connected with people where they've said like, come back. We want to do more. Well, that's an interesting. That's, I never really thought about that, but small communities are very tight net. And they can, they can sense when you're a stranger. So that's, that's, that's, yeah, that shows something about the character of the person, right? Because they're not welcoming of just,

You know, think of Helmond. Helmonds like everyone says who lives in, oh, this is like the greatest little community under the sun. And yet, not everybody's welcome. That's what we're going to do it for today. Thanks for coming up. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me.

And not laughing at me as I did my producer thing, dancing around all the cameras and everything else. Oh, I know this dance. You do it quite well. So this is, I mean, I can't tell you how excited I am to be in the studio. I know we're friends. We get to talk all the time, but it's cool to be in here, man. I love what you're doing.

It will not be the last. I promise that. Man, anytime you want me on, Sean. Yeah, this is great. I'm glad you joined us too. Thanks, boys.