Shaun Newman Podcast - #590 - Katherine Kowalchuk

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

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That's what I got for you today. Now, maybe let's get to the tale of the tape, shall we? She's a senior associate at Gets Collins and Associates. She's also a co-founder of lawyers for truth. I'm talking about Catherine Coalchuk. So buckle up. Here we go. Well, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Today I'm joined by Catherine Coalchuk. I hope I said that, right? You did. Thank you. I normally ask. I'm off on my game this morning, I guess. Thanks for making the tour around her. Thank you for having me.

Now, well, tell us a little bit about yourself. Sure. Well, I grew up in Calgary. Yeah. Primarily, I was born in BC, moved here when I was five, but I've lived most of my life, almost all of my life in Alberta. I went away to school to university and I did a stint in Ottawa right after I finished my undergrad at the University of Manitoba and I actually worked for a liberal MP out in Ottawa before I went to law school. And then ever since I moved back to Alberta, I've pretty much stayed here.

I live in a small village called Standard. I'm a family law lawyer. I have two children of my own who are 11 and 16 and I have two stepchildren who are 13 and 14 and we have a co-parenting arrangement. They live primarily with their co-parents. And I'm married to my husband, Mike, who grew up in Standard. He's an engineer by trade, and he co-owns a construction business with his mom in Standard. And that was primarily one of the big reasons why we moved back to Standard from Calgary a couple years ago. You might be the first person who's come in here who worked for a liberal MP. So I'm going to, I just curious about that experience.

Well, I bring that up because, as you are aware, I ran for the Independence Party in the last provincial election. And, of course, everybody has a past, and everybody is on a high alert when I bring this to their attention that, you know, I did have associations and affiliations with the Liberal Party at one point. In fact, well, what happened with me with working in Ottawa was that I was the president of the student. Union at the University of Manitoba, my last year of university. And through those connections, I met the MP in the riding of the university, and I became the legislative assistant for Reg Alcock. And I spent a year in Ottawa. I deferred law school for a year, and I spent a year in Ottawa and had that kind of experience in center block. And then that was kind of my end of my stint in politics for a number of years until 2015 when I became the nominated candidate to run for the

federal liberals in Calgary in Signal Hill. Although I was the nominated candidate, life had a different trajectory for me and I wasn't actually able to run in that race due to personal reasons. And I, you know, thank God for that because I've learned a lot since about the real nature of politics and really what's driving politicians in this country and in Alberta as well. And so I didn't end up running and then COVID hit. And then I turned my attention to what was happening in Alberta politics and in Canadian politics obviously with what happened with COVID. And I wouldn't say that I was a diehard liberal or anything like that.

I have voted for various all parties at one point, the NDP, I've voted a conservative, I've voted liberal in my life. So it wasn't that I was really had an affinity for that party whatsoever, but I had the opportunity to run. And I do, and I always have had a keen interest in politics. So I thought, why not, right? like it's like probably a very, very slim chance that I would have been elected in Calgary as a liberal. But that didn't happen. But I did get the experience to run with the Independence Party and what that's, you know, what running in an election is kind of about. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of the background with that. I don't know why my brain goes here because, you know, it doesn't bother me. And like, I guess I'm glad that you're honest about it. Like, I don't know. It doesn't, I don't think that all of a sudden that, you know, I was once with the liberals all of a sudden, I think you're, I don't know, I can think of a whole bunch of things,

but I just, my brain doesn't go there. I do find a fascinating that you once voted for the NDP and the liberals. What was it about back then when you voted for him that made them attractive? Like, what were they saying? Because I, in my mind, I haven't paid attention to politics that often, that often for that long. You know, it's been in the last like three years, that I've really tuned in.

And in the last three years, you know, a whole bunch of people are getting turned off by whatever the liberals are Spouten or the NDP or a whole host of different people. So what is it, what was it about back then? Like maybe, you know, was there a time when the liberals were actually saying some rational stuff and you're like, this actually makes sense?

I assume yes. Mostly I make my decisions on, excuse me, the personal relationships that I have with people. and the type of person, I believe, the candidate to be. When I voted for NDP, it was when Rachel Notley swept, and I did it because I was pretty irritated with the conservatives here in Alberta and the cronyism and all the rest of that, which was, I think a lot of Albertans had that same frustration of this sense of entitlement

that that party had. And, but really, I don't think anything, it would have been more naive, um, influence through other sources as well, like media, for instance. And, um, or, but mostly, mostly the conversations I would have had with a candidate and, and that they, I mean, I've voted PPC too. So, I mean, it really depends my, my, my, my, my, my. what I believe in now has definitely shifted to a more conservative viewpoint. As I get older and as I see what's happening in the world, COVID really thrusted me back into my faith.

It was the first time that I had actually started to read the Bible in my entire life, although I went to Catholic school growing up. I kind of abandoned religion for many years really was. anti-establishment in that regard. And then in my early 30s, I ended up getting sober. I'm recovering alcoholic. I've been sober for, I guess it's just been over 14 years at the end of January. Thank you. And, you know, I was part of a 12-step program and was reintroduced to God and concept of higher power. And then since then, I'm 48 now. Since then, you know, my journey, has been obviously believing in God, but also dabbling in different ideas and exploring different

things, different spiritual concepts, I guess, you can say. And then when COVID happened, nothing was making sense. And I recognized it right off the very beginning because in 2020, when we heard the coordinated media message, I knew that my husband and I knew that something was wrong. We had met because we had the similar interest in what was, it's called the disclosure, right? We were into UFOs and, you know, suppressed history that we've been lied to about, about various different things. We would go to interesting conferences like contact in the desert with all the other tinfoil hatters. And so we were pretty attuned to what kind of, what was happening on a global scale, but then to see it actually play out through COVID was shocking. And then that's when I,

both my husband and I went back to the Bible because we started reading it and, and, and it started to make sense what was happening. And in terms of who's in charge and what's in charge and what's influencing all of this. And I'm sure you've heard from other guests that, you know, this is a spiritual war, right? There's, it's, it's, it's, it's. not just its principalities not of the flesh and when you read the Bible it's very clear that's of course Satan has dominion over this planet and and we've been influenced largely by people in political agendas that have roots in in Luciferianism or Satanism communism and roots in Marxism and in this leftist social agenda that's happening everything

that started to make sense. Like when we have a society that is doing the absolute opposite of what Jesus would teach us to do and what the Bible would have us do, everything just fell into place. And so now, you know, what I really want to do is I want to, you know, share my experience, strength and hope. But I also want to share, I want to share that message as well. Because I don't think with everything that's going on right now, I don't think we get out of this unless we understand what's really running the show.

Well, I want to know what's running the show and give you, well, we got time. I always find it wild sitting on this side because, and I apologize to the audience because I'll say this over and over again. I just seem to repeat myself mostly these days. And that is, you know, when I first started this, you know, sports radio told you not to talk about two things. And it was politics and it was religion.

And now all I find myself talking about is politics. And I don't, you know, you can call it religion. I call it faith. I don't know, God. But religion, you get the point. Everybody kind of, you know, their eyes roll or used to roll over. I mean, lots of people's eyes still roll over. But I still remember the first time I asked a person if they believed in God.

It was Drew Weatherhead. I believe it was a summer ago. Maybe it's two summer ago. It's now. It's all meshing into one. And he was so taken aback by the question. He's like, well, and now it's just everybody's getting to the same point or has been at the same point for a while. And it comes back to this question of like, well, is there something higher than us or not?

And if there is, that means what the Bible, in my opinion, has written is true about Lucifer Satan. And you see that play out on the world stage, and you're like, it just is rammed right in our face, folks. Like, it's just, it can't be that simple, but then you live through COVID, and you're like, it was, you know, it's like you're arguing with yourself over the almost the same sort of thing. Yeah. Well, from my perspective, Jesus Christ is life affirming, and what's happening in this world right now is not life affirming. No, it's complete opposite. It's complete opposite. And it's from everything, from, you know, abortion to the destruction of the traditional family,

to our worship of money and materialism, to now we have this, obviously, this sensation with the transgender agenda, sexualizing our children. You can't go anywhere. You can't watch any mainstream publication, like Netflix, or go to a movie these days without having these graphic sex scenes or conversations occurring that make me just want to cringe and I just shut out the fact that my children are being exposed to that, right? And it's being normalized. And, you know, when you look at what Satanism is all about in Baphomet and the demons

that represent Satan here or that are worshipped. in that religion, quote unquote religion, you know, their child sacrificing gods or demons and they're of two sexes as well. And so everything is mirroring that. And so a lot, the biggest, the biggest win that Satan has had over our population is convincing us that he doesn't exist. Right? And so and because atheism has crept in and has been the default programming, you know, a secular society where you, you know, and the atheist agenda where you don't believe in any good or evil, it's easy to fall prey to that, right? And and so, you know, as the socialism has crept in since World War II primarily, I don't know what it was in existence before then. But we've had this full. court press in Western society that has infiltrated our governments and infiltrated our banking system, all of our education institutions, companies.

So we have it absolutely everywhere and it's in our legal system as well. And so once I think if people can can just pause and objectively look at the information and the moral underpinnings that seems to be guiding our society, It's very clear that it's not good. And I would say it's evil. Yeah, it's, hmm, I'm, you're speaking so much sense to me right now. Oh. To me, parts of the audience, they probably aren't, they're in different parts of the journey, right?

But, you know, one of the things coming back from Ottawa was I was like, something is, something is a foot here and I can't, you know, my, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, The more I learned about atheists, I thought I was atheist, and the more I just even read the definition of atheism, and then read agnostic. I'm like, oh, no, I was more agnostic. Believe in something, but not too sure what. And then just like, you'll never be able to prove it.

There's just no way. There's just no way to know. And then Ottawa comes and goes. And it stirred something in me that I didn't realize was there or I'd never paid attention to. And I think for a lot of people, a lot of people, it stirred the same thing. And then they've been wrestling with it. And they've been trying to make sense of it because, like, that's a big question.

But, you know, I forget the scripture, but, you know, you set the host on, somebody's going to text me this. So you set your house on the rock, right? Yeah. And it can't be swept away. As soon as you have that, then you can go off into the world and start trying to wrestle with some of the demons that are out there. And I'm talking figuratively and not.

and with that. I just, you know, trying to fix parts of society or wrestle with some of these large arguments and everything else. But once you have your foundation set, it's like peaceful. It's like, oh, okay.

Well, for me, I don't really worry so much about proving that something exists like that, that there is a God. Although I do believe it, I just have a knowing. When I read the Bible, when I understand the Ten Commandments, like, or the Golden Rule,

and the teachings of Jesus Christ, they are good. They are pure. And when I read the words, I feel better. I feel it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the guidance that I get through those, those words and that teaching fills me up. And it's, um, so I trust, I've learned over the years to trust my intuition and to, um, and to, um, and to, um, and to, um, and to, and to pause, try to pause before making, you know, really crazy decisions. But that's the feeling that I get when I read the Bible. And those principles make sense to me. You know, I'm a family law lawyer and I do divorce and child support and property division and everybody hates each other and everybody's a narcissist.

And that's what, you know, everybody that comes through my office tells me that their ex is a narcissist. And that's, I used to laugh at that. But this is. actually what our society has become is filled with that you know those tendencies in people because I think that we are a lost society right now when we're going through this metamorphosis this unveiling this revealing and you know I think as the issues become more obvious you're going to have people are going to have to pick a side it's not going to be you're not going to be able to sit on the fence anymore. I don't think there is a fence anymore. These issues, there's clearly good and there's clearly bad that are, that's happening in the

world right now. And for me, I, I choose, I choose that which fills me up and which is life affirming. And for me, it's, it's Christianity in the teachings of Jesus Christ. And and I went through a period in my life where I totally rejected all of it. I thought everybody was a hypocrite because they were. I went to Catholic school. I saw it happen. It was all BS. But that's actually not people people are faulty.

Like we get it wrong all the time, right? Yeah, we're not Jesus. We're not Jesus, right? And the goal is for us to live and to aspire to be like him the best we can and to always seek forgiveness and to always, you know, try to be tolerant. But also what I like about the teachings of Jesus Christ is that there is this notion of what is just. And there is accountability. And being honest with somebody is loving. And these whole concepts that the left has kind of usurped,

they flipped all of these definitions. So nothing means what they used to mean. That's double speak, double talk, double speak, double talk. I'm trying to think of 1984, and that doesn't sound right coming out of my double speak, I think. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yes, up is down, down is up. Yeah. And that's the satanic.

Wrong, wrong. Religion, upside down cross. Like, that's the whole thing, right? So, um, yeah, it's become, it's becoming more and more pronounced, right? Like, it's just becoming more and more. It's just sitting right there. You're like, what is going on?

But, you know, I find peace in knowing. And actually, I'm going to go back to it. You said, you know, I don't have, I don't want to try and prove it. It's not something that, you don't know, you didn't come on here. Actually, I had no idea. You know, we sat and chatted for five minutes before this thing started. I didn't realize it was going here. But that just seems to be the way of the podcast these days.

The proving thing is, is like, I don't know if there's any way, like, to prove it. I tell my story and I hear yours, and I'm just like, I just get it. And I've heard guys go on, Joe Rogan. I'm forgetting the guy who went on and just, and Rogan kept asking him, how do you know? He's like, I don't know. I just, and I'm like, I understand that feeling. Like I really understand that feeling. It's just like, yeah, I get that.

And that's a pretty crazy thing to say out loud. It's like, well, then how do you know the wind wasn't just blowing the right way the one day? Maybe it was. I don't know. But I mean, for me in the middle of, in the middle of 2022, I just had multiple moments where it's just like, oh. And that's a pretty incredible thing to, I don't know, probably acknowledge on air as I sit here. because I'm like, it probably sound like I'm a little bit bad shit crazy, pardon the French. But at the same time, it's like, but it happened.

And to not acknowledge it happening would be to start lying to myself. And we all see where we get to when we start lying to ourselves and lying to society. We all go a little bit crazy. And instead, I was just like, well, it's just time for the truth. It's just time to own it and talk about some of the things have been going on. And that has led me closer and closer and closer to the Bible. And people listen to this have certainly heard it from the first time. I probably had 10 or a day on.

And I was like, I don't know about that. I don't know. And yet here I am. It's like a year later. And I just get it. And the more I've wrestled with it, the closer I've gotten to it. Yeah. It's not this big boogeyman concept that we're told to be afraid of, right?

You know, I actually think that we need to discuss politics more. We need to discuss religion more. And we need to integrate them more. I read Michael Wagner's book, Leaving Jesus Behind. or sorry, leaving God behind. And he chronicles Michael Wagner as a historian. He's a columnist with the Western Standard. And he's written many books about Alberta separation, for instance.

But he reads, he has this book, Leaving God Behind. And he chronicles the history of what kind of worldview shaped Canada right from its inception. And that was, the worldview was Christianity. And oh, and then he chronicles in that book over until now what happened in our society. And, and how, you know, it started off with the Lord's Day Act. And, and then, and then we see that religion is removed from schools. And then we have, you know, we're not going to allow shopping malls to be open on Sundays. And we're, and then we move into Trudeau, Senior.

and the advent and implementation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was the ushering in of this agenda. And, you know, when I do family law, I wasn't constitutional. And so when this whole COVID nonsense happening, I knew it was wrong. I met a bunch of other lawyers at the same time, and we formed, and I co-founded lawyers for truth. And we were very active in rallies in Calgary, and wherever we could go to speak about how wrong this was.

And a colleague of mine with Lawyers for Truth was giving out legal mask exemptions, right? Which was a card. It was nicely laminated that we, but it showed the rights and freedoms that we had, right, pursuant to our charter. And so we would give those out to empower people. And it did for many people availed themselves of that. And we were trying to encourage people to, you know, do not comply. Like, don't wear a mask.

Don't do any of that nonsense, right? As much as you can, recognizing the horrific pressures that were on people and people had to make the decision to, you know, stay in their job and feed their family or not, right? Like, so the decision that the government put us through and made us, made us choose between wasn't really a choice at all. Like, it was coercion 100% and it was wrong. Um, but I forget where I was going with that when I talked about lawyers for truth. Um, while you're thinking about it, you remember me telling you, I'm going to pull this off to different direction. I started laughing just, I chuckled.

Yeah. Because I said your name. So one of the ways that I bring guests on folks is when I start to see, and I don't know if synchronicity is the right word, but like all of a sudden, Catherine named coming up one day. I'm like, oh, yeah, I don't know who that is. And then the next day, it comes back up again. I'm like, that's kind of strange. And I just make a mental note of it. And if all of a sudden it comes up a whole bunch of times from different spots,

I'm like, well, something's going on that I suppose I'm supposed to talk to this person. Michael Wagner was literally just text to me yesterday. I'm like, Michael Wagner, who the heck is that? And then you just gave, I'm like, oh, it's probably a guy, Michael, wherever you're sitting, that you should probably come hop in the studio because it sounds like I need to not only read your book because it had been suggested to me a while back. and things get suggested all the time, and I'm almost like, well, I am.

I'm overran with suggestions, which is a great problem to have. But it's happening again. I'm like, okay, Michael Wagner. It sounds like I need to go read that book, and the fact he's part of Western standard and writes from them from time to time. It's like, chances are that's a conversation

that needs to be had as well. Now, I think you were talking about with Lawyers for Truth, and just basically, at the beginning of COVID, you formed a group together and started becoming very active because you could see what was going wrong in society. And so we continued with that advocacy. And I actually, James Kitchen is my lawyer.

I actually sued the Court of Kings bench in the provincial court of Alberta for trying to force me to wear a mask one day in court. And that lawsuit is still ongoing. It's in case management. and it's kind of been, I really don't know where we're at with that case right now. But obviously, you know, when I went to court that one day in, I think it was 20, at the end of 2020, December 2020, you know, I wasn't going to show my paperwork to some sort of stranger. And obviously, I went back and forth with the lawyers for the courts because they were, you know,

the judge wrote me a letter of reprimand. that I wouldn't wear the mask. And we went back and forth, and then they invited me to file a human rights complaint against them. And I thought, well, that's not going to get anywhere because we know that the Human Rights Commission is kind of drink the Kool-Aid with everybody else. And so I ended up suing them,

and so we have this case that's still lingering right now. And so I would tell people about that. And the importance of that case in particular is because we have a big problem in our legal system and our judiciary from my perspective. And I think that's what we intended on talking about. And we talked. We got plenty of time. And so what's interesting about that is that I'm suing the Court of Kings Bench

and the Provincial Court of Alberta over this, over violating my rights. But they're also the adjudicators. There's no real mechanism to hold these institutions accountable, right? Because they're the defendant, but they're also going to be the decision-maker. And then, you know, we've bandied about, okay, well, what would be the appropriate body if we were to farm it out somewhere to a different jurisdiction, maybe court of appeal or something like that. But, you know, we have a situation where all the courts have really bought into all of this nonsense like DEI and all the rest of it. They brought in, they were all believed in the mandates and they all mandated accordingly in their own jurisdiction.

So the chances of getting a fair adjudication. or zero, right? And that was part of the reason why I wanted to bring that lawsuit was to highlight the dysfunction that's already baked into our system and to talk about that. Well, before we talk about the system, I've got to make sure I'm half an hour in, I haven't done it. Everyone who comes into the studio gets, I get for coming,

for making this trip all the way to Lloyd Minster. You've come quite a long way. It's silver gold bull. They give out a silver coin. And so I appreciate you making the trip and hopping in the studio. I know Lloyd Minster is not like hopping into Calgary or something for a lot of people. It's home for me and I appreciate Silver Gold Bowl trying to find different ways to make a guest feel welcome in the small border city. Well, thank you very much.

I appreciate that. Well, something for you to take home with you anyways. Yeah, we've been doing our own collecting as a family. of silver and gold. Yeah, we won't get too far into it. But I will say this, if you haven't started collecting, silver gold bowl.com. They should, just my side note plug on this,

because I don't think I, maybe I push it. I don't know. It doesn't matter. I'm always impressed at when you, it's, everything's online, you just go online, order right there, ships right to your doorstep, super slick, nice and easy. You don't have to drive to Calgary to do it or something, right?

Yeah. And the fact that they entrust me with giving out some coins to guess is super cool. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Now, let's talk about the, let's talk about, let's talk about the legal system. You know, it's what's brought you all this way. I'm sure there's a few other things that have brought you all this way as well.

But, you know, when we were talking beforehand, that's one of the things you wanted to make sure that it's like, we've got to talk about this. Yeah, so, well, really, it's about, it's challenging because we talked earlier today about this morning. about how every, well, I've said in my opinion, everything has been kind of infiltrated with this agenda, right? And we see it through these ESG scores and the agenda is 2030, and we see it through DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusivity. And we're seeing it in our legal system. We saw it playing out with COVID as well.

I ran a case. A dad from Lethbridge didn't want their children to be vaccinated with the COVID-19 job. And so we went to court on that. And we ended up losing, of course, and which was predicted, because that's how cases had been going across Canada anyway. And the judge in that case found, gave judicial notice. to this idea that there was a pandemic, that everybody was in agreement,

that there was a pandemic, because it had been declared, and that, you know, she made references to my client as being a conspiracy theorist, anti-axer, all the, all the labels, right? Excuse me.

And so, and it was interesting because the same people, the same judges kept on popping up as being on the circuit of these COVID cases, right. And so um, and then I, and then there was another incident where,

um, Chief Justice Wagner with the Supreme Court of Canada made some very disparaging remarks regarding the truckers during the trucker convoy in Ottawa. And a group of us lawyers, including Bruce Party got together and we wrote a letter of complaint to the judicial council and it was summarily dismissed our complaint because chief justice Wagner was the chair of the committee of, of,

counsel. And so, you know, we're putting all these pieces together in terms of, you know, taking judicial notice, what these courts are really just giving the government the benefit of the doubt. They're not doing their job. They're not a check and balance. You know, there's three, our government is made up of the executive, the legislative, and the judicial branch. And what we saw during COVID was that they were coordinated together. Their effort was coordinated and their message was the same. And it still is the same to today's date, in my opinion. But I wanted, when I look back on everything in the last four years, the three biggest things that I see that are really, that we really need to start paying attention to as Albertans

and Canadians are this net zero scam that's happening, this climate crisis scam that's happening right now that isn't a scam based on a lie that CO2 is a pollutant. because it's not. And derived from that are the carbon tax, carbon capture programs, and this transfer of wealth from, you know, middle class to these elite players who are benefiting immensely from these government kickbacks. The second thing is this DEI and SOGI, so diversity, equity, and inclusivity and sexual orientation, gender identity. This thing that's happened and that's captivated all of our corporations, our institutions, including universities, and our judiciary, and our legal profession.

And of course, the third point is mass uncontrolled immigration. That is changing the social fabric of our society. And what I think it's bringing, when you bring in all of these cultures together, that may not necessarily agree on a common value system, then there's going to be conflict, right? And we can just look at the Hamas, Israel conflict and how that's playing out in the streets all across Canada.

But also we can look at it through our Charter of Rights and Freedoms that helped usher this along and erode Christianity from our culture. Because the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, if you look at Section 27 of the Charter, charter, it talks about how the charter will be interpreted with a multicultural lens, I'm paraphrasing, and not actually in respect, it won't be interpreted with the understanding that, you know, God is the supreme and rule of law. So it's to be interpreted with a multicultural

lens to promote that, right? And so when you start looking at the words and the decisions over time, you see that we are being influenced. So let me just, so when I when I talk about this, I talk about the legal profession. And so we see what's happening in our schools right now. Our school, our children are being inundated with rainbows and DEI and you can be whatever sex you want to be or you can be whatever you want to be, you know, it could be inanimate object or something else. So you can be whatever you want to be. and that's being tolerated and actually promoted by the adults in the room and so-called experts and specialists in their fields. And so this is being taught to our children.

It's causing major dysfunction within the family. But let's look at the University of Calgary Law School, for instance. So the University of Calgary Law School is big on gender and diversity equity and inclusivity. They have a big committee. all of their, basically all of their programming, all of their fundraising, all of their admissions are reviewed under that lens. And they have two streams of entry into the University of Law School. So you have the meritorious LSAT way that I grew up doing, you know, write your test and you get, you know, maybe write an essay or something like that. And then you're up for admission.

For black students who apply that don't meet the cut from a merit-based system, they're given the opportunity to have gain admission by describing their life experience. And then we're seeing, so we have these students who may or may not have the requisite merit-based criteria to be in law school. So they're being taught a progressive bent in law school because everybody is enamored with this diversity equity and inclusivity right now. We see it in our education faculty as well at the University of Calgary. There's a bunch of courses on diversity equity and inclusion and all that stuff, right? So we're seeing this through out our education system. and then these people graduate from law school and they become lawyers. And our law societies across Canada have bought into this, obviously, hookline and sinker.

During COVID, our law society declared that basically the legal profession in Alberta is systemically racist. And what they did to the members of the law society was over a period of, I don't even know how long, maybe a year, we would get these emails. and there were these stories from these anonymous people who had experienced racism. From my understanding in the legal profession, like people like articling students and lawyers that had experienced some form of alleged racism, it wasn't clear to me the reader,

whether or not the veracity of those claims had ever been tested, whether the allegations were brought forward to the person, you know, the other side to give them the opportunity to respond. but there was a collection of all of these stories, right, to form this narrative that we're a systemically racist profession, which I don't believe is the case at all. And so also during COVID, what the Law Society was doing was they gave themselves power.

We're governed by the Legal Professional Act, but also there's lawyers are governed by a Code of Conduct and there's rules of the Law Society of Alberta. And so during COVID, COVID, while we're all being locked down, the law society granted them, created this other rule, which allowed them to create this course called the Path and its cultural competency training and they made it mandatory. They made it a mandatory requirement that all lawyers had to take this cultural competency training. It was a five-hour course known as the path and it

was born out of the Truth and Reconciliation report. And so a lot of of lawyers took great offense to it because the law society is there to govern basically to make sure that we're being ethical and we're not stealing clients money, you know, and to make sure that, you know, we're held as some sort of standard. But what the law society has done in Alberta is they've adopted these DEI agendas. And everything is colored with that as well. And of course, they were encouraged by the federal government and others to promote this truth and reconciliation report, which, by the way, and I didn't really know until I was forced to take this course and talk to other colleagues who knew more about the course, more about truth and reconciliation

report than I do and practice indigenous law, I didn't realize that there's actually, it's actually controversial. I mean, the findings are controversial and we'll see that play out in the media as well with the mass graves, for instance, that they haven't been able to find for residential students. And so... You're talking Colonna. Talking Colonna, but in other places in Canada as well where they haven't been able to uncover this information, right?

So there were a bunch of us lawyers that got together because we had to take it by, I think if we didn't take it by, I think, October of last, not last year of the year. year before, then we would have been suspended. We wouldn't have been able to practice law. It doesn't matter. And so a colleague of mine, Roger Song, he initiated this petition, and he's a lawyer in Calgary. And what we did was we got the requisite 50 signatures of lawyers across Canada, or not across Alberta, rather, to call a special general meeting because it was our opinion that the law society was not in a place of authority to be able to create the rule, to create the course, to require this mandatory education of us. And so we called the special

general meeting and it occurred online via Zoom. It was chaired by the president of the law society at the time. We didn't know there was about 3,000, I think 3,000 people showed up. which was a little bit more than that, maybe 3,600 lawyers showed up out of 11,000 lawyers in Alberta. But the left obviously honed in and made it all about that we were racist and, you know, we didn't, you know, all about that we were intolerant and all the rest of it, because the course was called, and was about the indigenous history. But it wasn't actually what we were upset about. we were upset that the law society was overstepping its authority by requiring lawyers to take

this cultural competency training as a condition of our practicing law. We lost that vote, the motion that we brought forward. And anecdotally, what it showed to me was I think we had about 800 some people voting in favor of our motion to quash this rule, right, and to, prohibit the law society from being able to do any of the stuff. But so what I had been seeing up until that point from like just what I was witnessing in our society, it seemed to me like about 25% of the people really, really kind of get what's happening and would be in disagreement with what's happening. But also, what it also told me was that a majority of lawyers probably agree with what is happening.

And so when you have a law society that's promoting these sorts of ideas and is requiring cultural competency education, it's really dangerous. So I brought up Roger's song because he's actually suing the law society right now and challenging. He's bringing a judicial review and his lawyer is Glenn Blackett. And I'm happy to say that both of these men have become my friends. and I work with them through the Council of Alberta Lawyers that we established to fight back against this council culture that's happening and to push back against these institutions that are really running roughshod over our profession. And so he's challenging the law society right now about this very issue, about this rulemaking that the law society is doing. And so we'll see what happens. I mean, when you do a judicial review, you're doing it at the court of King's bench.

And we know that our judiciary is also adopted all of these DEI. And, you know, when I go into court right now, we're expected to tell the court our pronouns and all this nonsense, right? It's super uncomfortable. But, you know, this progressive social justice activism that is occurring in our world right now is very, very dangerous. And so unless we as a society agree, the more. about what the moral underpinning is that we are going to continue to exist under in Canada, we're in big trouble. Because we seem to be basing our policies from our government to how we're running our corporations

and everything in between based on lies. Like let's take net zero, for instance. We, if you, there's, first of all, the science isn't settled. I mean, that's very clear. Science has never settled. It's a method of inquiry. It's not settled at any point. And so this narrative that has taken over the globe really has to be countered. But we have this understanding. I firmly believe that, you know, CO2 is not a pollutant. And in fact, you know, and there's lots of information that will say that. Yet we have a federal government that is, net zero crazy, the ones like net zero yesterday, wants to stop building roads, for instance, as Gibo has said yesterday, he wants to defund all infrastructure in that regard, because we have enough, because don't you know, EVs aren't going to solve this? Surprise, right? It's a surprise communism. It's communism by kindness. It's communism by climate change. That's what's happening right now. But we also have a Supreme Court of Canada that has stated very boldly to the world

that they are happy to be the most progressive court in the world. They also held in favor of the carbon tax that was perfectly legitimate for the federal government to legislate in areas that they have no business legislating in anyway. So we have this carbon tax. So we have this carbon tax for something that doesn't exist, all based on. a lie and a bunch of BS. But it's not just in Canada, it's in our province as well. We have a premier right now

who every chance she gets is so happy to promote net zero 2050, like that's somehow any better than net zero 2035 or whatever else they want to do. And she's so happy to promote these carbon capture boondoggles where billions of dollars are being

of our taxpayer dollars are being thrown into these made-up commodities based on nothing, you know, this whole idea of cap and trade, all of this nonsense that, you know, our travel is going to become restricted, or you can buy carbon credits to do X, Y, and Z because we know that's coming, because they're telling us it's coming, it's coming through a central bank. Digital currency and all that stuff. We know it's coming. So, you know, I'm trying to tell people, look, and we were in the car grabbing coffee, we shall know them by their fruits, right? And so you can say all the nice and funny, nice, lovely things that you think your base wants to say are here, but then you have to look at their actions.

And this is the major disconnect that I'm finding amongst Albertans and our governments right now. and how easily swayed people are by rhetoric and by how people are speaking in the language, when they're actually not saying anything or they're actually saying the opposite or doing the opposite of what they're actually saying. And net zero is the perfect example of all this. So now we're going through this whole boondoggle of a carbon capture system, which I believe is building our own digital concentration camps, really. We're helping to build this infrastructure.

This is what we're doing. Because if you go to central bank digital currency, we also know that, you know, companies like MasterCard are developing how you can track your carbon footprint, right? All this nonsense, right? So we're making up all of these metrics based on a lie. Based on a lie, okay? Let's turn to Soji. men can't become women and women can't become men. It's very clear.

It's an absolute. There's no gray in between there and you don't have to be religious to know that. It's a biological fact. Yet we are, as a society, further codifying into law with Daniel Smith's recent announcement about parental rights, this notion that we are going to allow, we are going to allow, allow this lie to be perpetuated in our society by creating the bringing doctors and to help mutilate people and to allow children who are 16 and 17 year old to take hormone whatever sterilization drugs as part of their journey and finding who out who they are we have we have a

policy where um and know that yes where she said parents are going to be given the opportunity to opt their child in when this instruction happens. Well, how about we just stop with the instruction? How about we have a hard line, no. We're not actually going to have this in our school. There's going to be no more rainbows. There's going to be no more political ideology agendas being taught in school. We're going to stick to the basics, math, reading, writing, the basics.

Why don't we do that instead of allowing a situation to occur for children that is, that we know is based on a lie. We know that people are confused, and this agenda is a leftist agenda, and it has its roots in Marxism, and Marxism has its roots in Satanism. So we know the trajectory of this, but nobody wants to look there. And so instead of us saying, actually, we don't as a society actually agree with this. We actually don't agree with this. We need to have another conversation about this, and we need to really think clearly. about what kind of society this is going to turn into, continue to evolve into if we go down this road.

So instead of saying, no, we're not having this training or this instruction in our class, parents are going to be given the opportunity to opt their kids out. Okay, or in. When we were going through COVID, for instance, and, you know, my kids were, that was a couple years ago, so they would have been, I don't know, nine and whatever, 13 or 14, they're, I said to them, you don't have to wear a mask.

I'll get you a mask exemption. You're not wearing a mask if you don't want to wear a mask. Well, I didn't want them to wear a mask. I didn't do any of that stuff. But both of them wanted to. And why did they want to? Because my son ended up, didn't, he was getting headaches from it. So I said, no, okay, we're, we're going to get you an exemption.

You don't have to wear it. But they wore it because they didn't want to face the ridicule. Okay. So let's imagine a situation. where I have my kid opt out of health, and all of a sudden he's in the gym because mom says he can't go to this health instruction class where they're going to talk about pronouns and blah, blah, blah,

whatever else they're going to talk about. And then all of a sudden, he's made to feel ostracized, right? He's not part of a group. And then that is going to potentially cause major conflict for these children, not to mention for the conflict between the teacher and the, I mean, so this is kind of where I see this all going, right? We're a society that is making really bad laws and policies on false premises. And that's very concerning to me.

This probably isn't the right response. But all I can think of is jocco right now. And maybe it's good. I don't mean, you know, do you want your, do I want my kids to be safe? Yes. So it's on us to make sure they're safe. parents get involved. Yeah.

And we can be involved and not be complete nut or jackasses about it. We can just be involved. I can talk to, like, my wife's a teacher. I know that not every teacher is a complete wing nut. There's lots of great ones out there. And as parents, we just have to get involved. And, you know, are there going to be social pressures? Take all this off the board and just stick with phones.

I'm like staunchly against my kid having a phone. and every parent lasts me, oh, just wait. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to wait. And I'm going to see what my child concocks on why they need to, and that is going to make their life extremely difficult. But can any parent argue with me right now that a phone is for the better, and there isn't going to be detriment by our children having phones as young as one? I mean, you just pick the age and they have them.

Exactly. And all of us parents know that's not a good idea. So you're going to pick your fight with your children, and that is going to ostracize them from part of their peer group, no matter what. And this gender thing, as much as I want it to go away yesterday, is just picking up steam right now.

Right? Like, I mean, it's just, sure, Moe and Premier Smith have done, I don't know how to walk through this landmine without getting exploded, right? In one sense, they've done their part and trying to stop it, and another part they've codified in their law,

and another part, it's just like, well, they're trying, trying to appease bases. That's what politicians do. And parents, you know, you got some tough, we all got some tough conversations coming. And our version of it is, is like phones, this gender thing that is completely upside down.

There's going to be more coming, climate, et cetera. If you go back 100 years, it was, you know, 16 to 18 year olds racing off to go to war. And we might be actually. And we might be. And we might be. they certainly are trying and so you go

you know becoming a parent isn't this easy thing where you get to send them off to school and all of a sudden your work's done like that's that's a problem that I have even with myself right like you still got to show up you still got to be around them

you still got to fight for the family unit and everything else because everything's going to try and like society as much as I want it there to be everything that I think it should be I mean it doesn't mean you get to stop being a parent. No, you don't stop being a parent, but we're not,

we're not actually set up for success. I mean, by and large, I mean, I look back at the decisions that I made, you know, I've been married twice before. This is my third marriage. So I've been divorced twice once with, without kids. And I can tell you, even though I had this kind of like, I call it kind of Lululemon Christianity, because it's just kind of what it was. isn't substantive. I didn't go to church all the time, right? Or read the Bible up until when I was like 46. So we live in a world that is inundating us with a whole bunch of like bread and circus, right? You know, like the Super Bowl and whatever. And I'm not saying, you know, and I make comments about this online and everybody's like, oh, you're such a killjoy and all the rest of this. And you don't

know how to, it must be fun to hang out with. Right. And it's not about that. But I'm just seeing our society through a new lens right now where I'm seeing the the nature of of what forces have been behind some of the decisions we've we've adopted and accepted as society right so the feminist movement is part of that right that is born that is born out of socialism and if people understood the history of that you would understand that you know maybe that's not what would align with other values that you hold near and dear for yourself, right? And so this, this destruction of the traditional family has been on the radar for a very long time, right? And I see this as a divorce lawyer as well. And I talk about my relationships, my previous marriages, because I, I wasn't really

guided. And I don't blame my parents for this, because I don't think they were any different than any other parents. I wasn't ever inspired or considered whether or not the person I was choosing to procreate with and spend my life with what I thought was going to be the rest of my life with. I didn't talk to them about their value structure. I didn't talk to them about their values around money, about sex, about raising children. It was all this fluff, right? It was all the infatuation of being with this person and then not being fully equipped as a young adult to be making these really important decisions because I personally had no real grounding. I mean, I know, I knew of things like do not kill and, you know, those basic things, obviously.

But I didn't really have a great understanding. And even in a Catholic school system where you think that that would be taught, it wasn't really. You know, you didn't, you know, it just wasn't a thing. And so we have the society that is always promoting, you know, you need more. You look like shit, but you need injections and all the rest of it, right? We have this society that we're trying to live up to. And then we're all shocked when things fall apart. And this is what is happening.

And we're seeing the fallout of these progressive agendas taking root in our society over the last. number of decades and this is the history that we really need to come to terms with right and so but there has to be for me and me and you know I was I I I did my own like I'm doing this my own um podcast kind of series as well it's called the responsibility quotient and so where can people find it it will be on Rumble and Facebook and X and I interviewed Shauna Sundell and with the Sean has been on the podcast before. Yeah, I've heard her show with you as part of my preparation with her yesterday and with

the irreplaceable parent project. And, you know, she's a wonderful person and what she's doing is going to be so valuable. And we talk about how there's different people with different messages that are going to resonate differently with people, right? And, you know, and her and like kind of what you're saying, what I heard you say anyway, maybe I didn't get this right, was that, you know, we're not going to fix this overnight, right? But we're certainly not going to fix this by trying to appease both sides. Because you either agree that it's true or you don't.

Like there's certain things that are absolute truth, and this is what's become very clear to me, and this is what the importance of the teachings of Jesus Christ, is that there are absolute truths. And if we are going to continue to coddle this idea that somehow what that person is going through, and I think it is tragic, I think these people are being abused in some way, shape, or form, and the adults and the experts are helping abuse these people. Because we know, as Christians, that we are made in God's image and that we're perfect. I know from being in recovery, from alcoholism, that what I was suffering from wasn't necessarily the allergic from alcohol, but I was suffering from a hole in the soul disease, where I looked to alcohol and I look to

gambling and I look to shopping and I look to food and I look to men in order to fill that hole in the soul that I had, and I had at a very, very young age, relatively speaking. I went through my first crisis, during just shortly before my first divorce, when I was in my late 20s, I had my law degree. I was married. I didn't have kids. We had a house. And on paper, I looked like good. And successful. But you know what? I wanted to kill myself. And I drove myself during that time to Foothills Emergency, Psych War, because I was afraid for myself. And I couldn't understand why. I was like, why am I feeling this way? Everything, I've done everything that I was supposed to do.

And then, you know, and then, you know, I felt like I was an automaton in my own life. Like I, like a non-player character. Sure. You know? And I think a lot of people feel that way where we're steered to do certain things because society is steering us into that direction, you know. And so what I want to do is I want to level it up. Like I want to talk about the real things that are, are, that.

are important to our society right now. Like, what kind of values are we going to decide to live by in Canada? What are we going to live by? Can we definitively say what we believe in and what shapes our moral foundation anymore? I don't know. Like, I'm confused because when you have these politicians who are lying to us and who are perpetuating the lie

through their government policies and their laws. And they're expecting us through mainstream media and other news sources. Even the alternative media sources in Alberta and Canada have fallen prey to this. And I can talk about the politics as well in my experience in politics, having run in the last provincial election. We're being, we're confused. We're confused and we need to, this is like an SOS. Like we need to really get real about these conversations now, and they're going to be tough.

We don't have to yell at each other, and we don't have to hate on each other, but we really need to understand what we are grounded and rooted in as a society. Because until we do, this is going to go on, this madness is going to go on. And we're not going to have any resolutions because we're always going to be trying to appease both sides. I can't argue with anything you just said. I just, my mind keeps coming back to that. It's just good. Like, you know, you mentioned your previous relationships. And A, I'm very thankful that you didn't kill yourself.

I don't know. I don't know if I have the response to those, like that it almost makes me speechless. To have, you know, a woman sit across from me, folks, who has her stuff together and speaks so articulately and has been wrestling with big issues to have gone. through something like that. But I've said it I think maybe from time to time. I've had my own experience with having my first suicidal thought and being like,

I can't believe that just crossed my brain. It scared me, it unnerved me. Even sitting here thinking back to it, it gives me the chills almost. And yet there's another part of me that says, good, right? You came through it. You're going to have to go through storms, you know? And when it comes to marriage, man alive did I hit a home run when I met my wife

I don't know why I have my story compared to other people having their stories but I do know that it has not been easy there's been times where I have pushed her to the brink of like probably her mind of like what on earth is he doing and we went through COVID and it was not easy it is you know it wasn't easy Like there's a lot of hard conversations that happened in our family, just like everybody's family.

And yet now we're, I hope we're better for it. But it doesn't mean the hard conversations go away. Look at everything that's going on. It only gets harder from here, right? You just have, you know, I'm thankful that it pushed me closer and closer to something like the Bible. And that that became one of the most healthy things in my life. It just gave me something to lean on. Oh, I don't know.

That seems like truth. And I feel the same way about my story. my husband Mike. I mean, we, we met under circumstances that were, you know, he was going through his divorce and, you know, we met shortly thereafter. And I had gone through my second divorce and I was still, you know, trying to find my way. But, and we just got married last year. So we'd been, we've been together for a number of years, but I'm thankful for him because we've grown together in this. But by time I got into that relationship, I was kind of clear. I'm like, okay, I have to stop screwing around here. Like I have to start making good decisions with the people I'm choosing

to spend my time with and what the relationships I'm going to foster and not. And so I had to get clear in terms of what kind of criteria I was going to expect, not only from them, but from myself as well. And luckily, you know, he checked off, you know, those boxes, right? But what I'm saying. I use that as an example because I'm just saying, like, as a divorce lawyer, and having been divorced and seeing the, seeing, it's not enough to say, okay, parents stand up and do your job. It's almost next to impossible for me to be an effective parent when I have a co-parent who wants to wear a face muzzle. Sure. But that starts before COVID. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so like you talk about the green, you talk about soji, you talk about all these different things.

You don't, you know, I'm going to say Tony Dungy all over again, folks, right? You don't rise to the occasion. You fall back to a level of preparedness. And so if you aren't having conversations about money or about having kids or all of a sudden, it can just seem like it came out of nowhere. But the truth of the matter is, the more people I talk to, they saw COVID coming, they saw the signs. They knew it was there day one. And I wrestled with that for a long time. There's nobody that saw that.

And then the more I taught, I'm like, no, they saw it. Which means it was, it was, what's the word I'm looking for, telegraphed? In hockey, right, if somebody telegraphs a pass, you pick it off. And in marriage, it's no different. And if you're not, you know, so like, I don't know what, you know, when I think back to my parents, the best thing they did for me is they modeled a relationship that stayed together. Did they have their arguments? Did they have on and on it went?

Yes. And so I came out of that and I went, well, I don't know what marriage, you know, like, because where do you go in school? where they teach you about marriage. And honestly, do I want, do I want the government teaching me what marriage is? No. The answer is no. No, 100%.

So I look at it and I go, I don't know where I started to pick up. We better talk about things. But the one thing my wife and Mel and I did very long on is we did talk about some of the hard things. I did, not about faith. I was, my shutters were on, but like kids, you know, money. I remember her telling me, I was playing hockey at the time. She said, you know, you ever make the NHL, I'm not going to stay with you. And I'm like, that is like the opposite thing that a person should say.

It should be like, yeah, you make the NHL, we've made it. But, you know, we've since talked about that lots. And it's actually, you know, why, I don't know if I've said this on air. I've said before on air that, like, if the podcast ever went to the moon and back, right? And it was taking me all over the world. But I lose my family. It's not worth it. And it comes back to the thought she gave me very early on if you make the NHL, we're done.

And I remember thinking, why? Because you'll never be around. you will never be around. I don't want that in a relationship. And so now here I sit years later, now we have three kids and everything. And it guides me on who I bring, where I stand,

where I put the podcast, how life goes, because if I lose that, it ain't worth living life. And that has come no different than having a child. Getting married, there's no roadmap to it.

There's going to be things happen to every different relationship that pull and stretch you to your breaking points. And it's why I'm so, bullish on men being men and taking care of the things that we need to take care of is because too often now it's like well just get divorced it's fine just get divorced but if you aren't talking about things the gap can widen and widen and widen to the point where you can't see across the

grand can you it's like well you just got divorced and we carry on and i there is a roadmap and the bible talks about it i mean you know like let's talk about our children for instance like you know children are to respect their parents. Parents are the ultimate authority. And now we have the inversion of what of that notion in our society right now. Sure. It's being it's being enforced and implemented by judges or judge made law. Like part of.

So let me give you an example like Daniel Smith is going to be coming out with some legislation, some rules or guidelines around her announcement around all this stuff, right? And she did a couple weeks ago. And she all, in her, in her. video interview or her announcement. She said she said that she is going to

ensure that the laws are strictly enforced, okay? I have two things to say about this. One thing is it's not uncommon for a lawmaker the legislature to create a law that's vague and then for the judge or the judiciary to interpret it.

It happens all the time. And this is how we get the in Alberta and other case law in Canada around this concept of mature minor, right, in lowering the age and becoming, you know, and so we have that. But then she says, okay, I'm going to strictly enforce child protection laws. That sounds great, doesn't it? But let's look at this from a different perspective. Let's look at Bill C4, the federal law that's come into effect,

which is criminalizing the basically the propagation or the teaching and the of conversion therapy and conversion, the definition of conversion therapy is different now. It's been revised. And so if you're caught, essentially, if you're not going to affirm a child, you could fall under this legislation that's criminal. If I understand C4 correctly, it's a kid goes into a doctor and says, I want to become the opposite sex. And they don't go, oh yeah, you're absolutely. right, then they can lose their license, face jail time. Yeah.

Because what would, what had been an option before was, why don't you go talk to somebody about it first before you go down that road? And let's, let's just get you some help and see if there's, and they go, well, help, what help do I need? Am I right in how I interpret it? Yeah, exactly. But the thing is with this type of legislation is that everything is up for interpretation. So if you have a progressive.

of a left-leaning progressive judiciary, which is what we do right now, because it's being forced-fed everywhere, and that's what they're proud of. What do you think they're going, like, it's not, like, assisted suicide used to be illegal in Canada. And now we want to, we're, we're trying to open it up in this country to minors and people who have in mental illness. Yes. Okay, so over a seven-year span. Okay, so my, when you, when you create a law like that, which is it's not protecting anybody because we're actually

unless you're affirming somebody's delusion about who they want to be and I want to say something more about that and we're leaving we're leaving it to the judges to interpret it do you think do you have confidence in our judiciary

that that isn't going to find its way into family law and that's not going to find its way to parents who are being mean and cruel and psychologically abusive because they choose not to affirm their child. Is that really a stretch for people to get to? So this is a problem. This is a problem when you sit on the fence. There is no fence anymore. When you try to appease right and wrong and you don't take a position on this, this is the fallout that's going to occur. And I don't think Daniel Smith wants to do that. I don't think so. I think she's genuinely

wants to do the right thing. But the thing is, she's not. She's not doing the right thing by any of us, by creating policies and laws that are based on lies. And that's... So saying, one of the things when I think of the video is, you know, like, okay, all right, yeah, but we're going to hire a doctor to come in and do our own surgeries because we don't want that going to Quebec.

And you're like, let go to Quebec. Yeah. Why make it easier? Yeah. Honestly, I'm like, let them go anywhere but here. Like, to me, and all I see is I got to try and appease both sides. You can't, though. And you can't in this one. You can't. And I would argue you can't at all. I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying that I'm so rigid that, you know, there aren't always exceptions that, you know, get carved out or whatever.

But, you know, there is a right and wrong. I tell the story from time to time and the story is we asked a guy who was running and the reason I don't say his name folks it was it was a private meeting so I'd respectful that just there's one thing that just stuck out to me

ask it one of the guys asked what is a woman just kind of like laughing this is a cattle farmer right that's running in politics and he's kind of what is a woman thinking he'd be like oh no this is ridiculous He said, well, and he paused for a really long time, like shocked me a long time. I believe that in any, you know, the chromosomes and everything else, X, X, X, Y. And I find out why do you keep saying I believe?

And he's like, well, because the party stance on it, you know, is that the cities are different from rural. And I'm like, but it's a lie. Like, it's just a blatant lie. And you don't think cities know what a lie is? Yeah. Like I get it that people go and group into the city and maybe they're a little more liberal. I mean, the voting certainly shows that. But I'm like, it's still a lie.

Like, I mean, can't we just say what a lie is? Well, no, politics isn't like that. That's the conversation. I'm like, oh, this is a little, like this is, and that's a cattle farm. Like, that's a guy who's blue caught, like comes from out in this world, a rural upbringing. Yeah. Goes, well, politics, you got to, you can't, you just can't, you know, the city's going to vote. We got to appease them to.

Appease them too. On the thing, there's men and there's women. Yeah. Sure, you can think you're the other side. Sure, you can do things to your body to look more like the opposite sex. But you're not. And yet, our world is moving in this. Well, and how do you know what it feels like, okay, so I, how do you know what it feels like?

I don't mean, like, I don't really mean to be disrespectful, but at the same time, I'm like, I always thought of myself as me, Catherine. I'm like, I've had many moments of my life where I have not felt comfortable in my body, okay? If you're, if you're a woman growing up in this world, you've probably contemplated or had an eating disorder and you've been on copious amounts of diets and blah, blah, blah, right? Because that's our society, right? It's just the way it is.

But I always thought of myself as a person being. a woman. I mean, that's what I am, right? And so when people say, well, I just, I feel like, I feel like a man. I'm like, how the hell do I know what a man feels like? How do you know what I feel like? How do you know what a woman feels like? And then how do you know that you know that when you've gotten to become the opposite gender? How do you know that? Is it based on what you're wearing? Is it based on the fake appendages that are sewn on to your body or removed from your body? What is it about, how do you, how do you know that you, what it is your feeling is that of the opposite sex? I don't know. I mean, I asked that question legitimately because I don't know.

Like, this is how crazy. But this is how crazy society is right now. The things that come to mind is Ellen Page. Is it Ellen Page? Who transition in now has like the six-pack, everything looks like like a guy, I guess. And then I think of Bruce Jenner, right? Getting woman in the year on whatever magazine. And it just goes on and on and on. And you're like, do I care what you do as an adult? I don't. You know, as long

as you're not, you know, tell me what to do or trying to influence what my kids do. I really don't care. But to act like a man can be the woman of the year or that, you know, like, you know, I, I don't agree with, you know, the long, when Jordan Peterson first started and I got to watch him, uh, in his early days, I was just like thrilled by, or amazed maybe by his brilliance. And as he's gone on, do I agree with everything he says, no. But, you know, I do agree when, you know, you have, uh, you know, like Victoria's Secret, their stock price goes from $70-some $17. Why? Because they went from what is a good looking woman to what this like diversity inclusion looks like in lingerie

well that nobody no and sports sports illustrated having a transgendered woman you're like why would you ever do that like it's like it's not life affirming to be obese it's not life affirming to sterilize yourself like this is a problem we when we have you know our governments are decrying, we have a population problem, we have a, you know, whatever. So instead of promoting policies where you aren't sterilizing yourself and cutting off your appendages, instead of doing that, we're going to go ahead and instead of implementing policies that promote a traditional family unit that give the right supports to people based on values that make sense, not on some kind of like global.

kind of takeover rhetoric that makes absolutely no sense. You don't do that if you actually care about the people in the province or in the country that you're serving in. And by the way, you're like not the grand pooh-bah, you're just one person. So, you know, my recommendation is that people really need to take back that personal responsibility and, you know, in all areas of their life, including civics, including getting involved. I mean, I was part of that whole movement too where I just left it to them. You know, it's corrupt and whatever. Nobody believes in the efficacy of government anymore.

Yet we only look to government to fix the problems in our life. And we've become conditioned in that way of thinking. Yes. So it's about having these conversations with people and with your audience. others and and bringing this to the forefront and not and normalize it like let's let's talk about this i like i'm going to be canceled i can tell you or they're going to try to like there's already been an attempt through my one of the lefties contacted to cancel you what to cancel you from what because law yeah because i had made the recommendation that we actually remove all gender references

from the charter and all legislation because this is the creep started into two 2015, we're allowing gender and gender identity to become these protected grounds in the charter in our Alberta Bill of Rights. So I hope that Daniel Smith actually removes that from our legislation because all of our laws are supposed to be guided by the principles as set out in the Bill of Rights, which are principles, you know, that are based on God and the rule of law, that recognize the principles of God and the rule of law. And so I hope that that will be what is considered in the legislation that's going to be coming out. But the longer that we continue to pander to this agenda and to these wonky ideas that are based in lies,

the more damage this is going to cause. Like I don't know how you get out of this other than a hard no. Because you know what? A hard no is also loving and it's also compassionate and it's also caring. And that's what I want. I want our politicians to level up. And I want our people in Alberta, especially, to level up. And I want them to understand the pull and the push that is going on in our province.

And this is what I wanted to talk about as well with you is, you know, my experience running in the last provincial election, completely naive. I ran with the Independence Party. I was introduced to the concept of Alberta independence with Dennis Modry's group, AUP before it became APP, and I spoke with that organization for a few months before I joined the Independence Party of Alberta, and I ran for leader. I didn't win that, but I did run in the last election. And what I saw happening was quite interesting. So we have this takeback Alberta, which is saying, okay, you know, David Parker.

David Parker. Really raw, raw, you need to get involved. You need to get involved. I mean, all levels of politics. I believe that. I believe in that message. But what I also came to realize was that there was this concerted effort of mainstream media and mainstream alternative media, including True North, Western Standard, Rebel News.

I mean, we had Rebel Ezra Levant endorsing Daniel Smith, a supposed legitimate news organization taking aside. I thought that was completely unprofessional and eroded for me any journalistic integrity I have in that organization. And I let one of his reporters know that and haven't had an interview since. But anyway, what I see is that there was this coordinated message of there's two parties, right? There's two ways you can go to the NDP or the UCP, right? There's only two parties, right? And everybody bought into it. But when you look at the policies of these parties and really what's being implemented,

it's the same thing. And it's the same thing federally as well with Polyev and Trudeau and all the rest of it. So you have the, let's look at it. So you have NDP, Net 0 2035. Danielle Smith. Net zero 2050. What's the difference? 15 years.

Okay. What's the cost? You told us the cost Daniel Smith of 2035 from an economic standpoint. What about 2050? Okay. So there's no difference there. They believe in DEI and SOGI, NDP. UCP believes in DEI and SOGI.

Okay, they believe in this mass uncontrolled immigration, NDP. Danielle Smith wants to double our immigration by 2050. Okay, we have a problem. Before you go any further, that did surprise me on the last time when she said it. And actually what was, I forget which listener. I have my apologies. A listener texted me and said, double the population by 2050. Why not?

Why not encourage the population to have kids then? Yeah, exactly. Well, they're being sterilized. I mean, that's where it's trending. That's, you know, you can't escape it because it's in absolutely everything in every, in our libraries. It's on, you know, you walk into the mall, you have the stores that are proudly putting their, their political, ideology on their on their windows we have our financial institutions that have been captured by it all of the stuff and so you can't get away with it from it so i i'm not saying that she's not in

in a very difficult position no she is in a very difficult we but we all are we all are and we need actually somebody we need actually and i i've said this before we need a leader to stand up and say no and to take a position on this and i think she could be that person i really but not now because she i mean how would you trust that? I mean, you either believe in it or you don't. And I do believe that she believes in what she's saying. I think she does. And that's a difference because she's also, and I'm going to throw this out there, and this might be controversial, but she's a declared or confirmed, I understand, atheist. So if you are that and you recognize the problems that we're facing right now being spiritual in nature, how is it that you're going to be able to recognize what's going on? But here,

Here's the thing I will say to that, the atheist thing, is you've already admitted that two years ago, you weren't reading the Bible, or roughly. I can tell you that it was a year ago for me. And I think everybody slowly started, well, I can't say everyone, but more and more people. So we can't hold that against people for not picking up the book or for not realizing

it's a spiritual thing. All we can hope is, maybe pray on, is that more people will start to just believe their own eyes of like, holy man, something is going on here. And then when you start to wrestle with, what is going on? It's going to lead you to closer to where I'm at than further away because you just start to go like,

actually that makes a heck of a lot of sense. I talk about this guy named Frank Pretti an awful lot. You'll read his two books. Yeah. And it starts to just laid out crystal clear. So the atheist thing. I get it. I get.

I agree with you. And she has no kids. No, I'm not, maybe she couldn't have kids. I can't remember. Sorry, Danielle. But to me, you know, being a parent first not being a parent, two different things, right? Because, you know, being a parent puts thrust a lot of things on your plate that you would have never thought about if you never had, if you didn't have kids, right? And that doesn't mean people without kids are bad human beings.

I'm not throwing that out in there at all. I'm just saying having kids all of a sudden. You don't have that experience. I mean, you don't have that experience. And the thing is. So I just, what I saw happening in politics, so that was, that was an insurmountable obstacle for, for me running as a conservative candidate, even though I knocked on like thousands and thousands of doors in my riding. What was an obstacle? This whole, we're afraid of Rachel Notley.

We're afraid of Rachel Notley and all that. And I said, well, do you realize? Right now on the federal side, everybody's afraid of Trudeau getting back in. That's why everyone's going to vote Pierre Poliev. Yeah, who also believes in Agenda 2030. I mean, so, anyway. I just point out that there's a uniparty system, and people need to become really aware of that.

So how do you unite? I don't know if I like that word, but the fragments. Because, you know, the federal side, well, we can draw it into Alberta too. But the federal side of it, I just had Maxine Bernier. And before him was Grant Abraham. And Grant Abraham ran for federal leadership in the Conservative Party, and then they disqualified him. And now he started a new party.

And forgive me, Grant, because I literally just talked to you not that long ago. It's United something, United Conservative Party, maybe? No, that can't be right because that's our, I can't remember. Anyways. And he's got a really interesting philosophy on values, right? You keep mentioning the word value. And that's what he came on here and talked about.

And was we need to get around the values, the value structure. And my, I'm like, so, you know, it's like, Maxine Bernier. Like he's built himself something with the PPC. Why aren't we coming together? Why is it always these fragments? And you just ran for the Independence Party. And to me,

Alberta once upon a time had the Wild Rose. And then it fragmented. And it was under the leadership of Daniel Smith that it did fragment, right? And you go, huh. Well, that was the closest we got in Alberta. The machine of politics is so deep. be ingrained.

Sure. And then I'm learning, right? So the NDP has their unions and then has their groups that they corral people into. Yes. The UCP is no different in Alberta. And I came to realize this when I started going to like project confederation and parents for choice and all this stuff. And I was like, oh, interesting.

Okay. Well, I'm going to explore these things that seem to be making sense to me. But what I came to realize is that we are being steered. We are being corralled. and we are being managed, okay, and take back Alberta as part of this. We are being managed because we are all upset. We all, I was in rallies. I was there on the ground.

These politicians weren't, but I was there. Many people were on the ground. Many politicians weren't. And the thing is, is that these people are corralling us into saying some good truth, seeing some good things, right, but not telling you the full truth, but keeping you in being steered in the same, in one direction. So, and the direction is the UCP direction. And I'll give you an example of this. I went to election, like campaign training with parents for choice. And I was really surprised when I got to this undisclosed location that was given to me at the last

minute that it was actually people, Daniel Smith's campaign manager and the by-election was there. Rob Anders was there. He's a political hack. Takeback Alberta was there. People representing Take Back Alberta there. And the literature that I received was NDP UCP and like the conservative message, the conservative message. But the thing is the conservative message in the UCP isn't actually conservative anymore. Their policy

in laws that they're supporting aren't actually conservative because they're not conserving anything actually. They're going along with the majority status quo. And so I realized that these groups, while they're important, that they're giving people information and empowering people and educating about how to run as a school board trustee and all the rest of it. I'm not taking away from that. But I noticed that there's not so subtle information.

steering you to the only option of the UCP, the only option that we support Daniel Smith, the only option that, of course, we have a long way to go, and, you know, Daniel Smith is standing up for parent rights and all the rest of it without, you know, like almost immediately after the announcement, without thinking about it, right? David Parker would take back Alberta. What he is focusing his group on, because I was on the Zoom call, the emergency Zoom call he had a little while ago because elections alberta is investigating take back alberta and um so now he is he's getting every his group mobilized to help beat the bad elections alberta organization that is

allegedly corrupt and all the rest of it now is there probably wrongdoing that's occurring in elections alberta does that need to be cleaned up sure but i don't hear take back alberta saying anything about net zero 2050. I don't see take back Alberta actually taking a deep dive in a critical analysis of what is happening with this parent rights bill or whatever is going to come out because it's not a parent rights thing in my

opinion. I don't know what it's doing but I don't think it's good. And so these organizations are manipulating people and keeping them busy. We're all being kept busy. And so, but I think what we need to do is part of this is having, we have to have an agreement in terms of what kind of system we're going to, we're going to abide by. And Christianity was good because it, it, there's, there's substance to it. And there's a framework to, to, to draw upon. And there, there are values embedded in the, in the messages. And now we're, it's kind of like a free for all, where you, it's all fluid and you can change and you can do whatever. And so there's,

it's no wonder that we're not able to come together on anything because we can't even agree on whether or not it's okay to kill somebody and offer them made if they're having a bad day. You know what I mean? Like we're a really sick society right now. And what I want to see people from people is I want to see. And you can only do this as an individual, right? Like, no, you can't force this upon. It's like your revelation and you're coming back to Jesus.

My revelation coming back to Jesus Christ. Like nobody is going to be able to force that upon you, but we have to have these conversations and we have to be, and we have to understand for ourselves the principles upon which we are going to live. And based on that, we then have to make good decisions based on those principles or suffer the consequences. So when I see people supporting leaders who are, perpetuating a lie, I don't understand that disconnect. Because I don't think we have any more time to say it's a good first step.

I don't think we have any more time. I mean, lives are hanging in the balance, literally. We have a government in Alberta. When I was running in the last election, I was the only candidate in my writing that was talking about COVID. Like, I don't know about you, but I was like, I probably have PTSD still from it. It was the big reason why we moved out of Calgary because my husband lost his contract as an engineer in oil and gas.

We didn't know if we were going to have a double income. So we had to make provisions, not to mention that the cost of living is going skyrocketing in Calgary and the fact that it's becoming a very dangerous city. Okay, so we have all of these things going, again, us. So, but I was the only candidate talking, in my writing, talking about COVID. We had just come out of a period of COVID. And the media didn't talk about it. The alternative so-called media didn't talk about it. None of the parties made it a campaign issue. Why? Why is it that we don't know, that we haven't done like an independent public inquiry about this,

about the handling of COVID. I mean, I think I know part of the reason why. The only way that we are going to be able to heal from these sorts of events is by understanding what happened and to hold people accountable. That's the only way that we get through this. Because otherwise, we are just all continuing to lie to ourselves when we fail to hold our politicians accountable. And so now what I want to see people do is,

If we believe in this system of democracy and we agree that, you know, our elections have integrity and all the rest of it, then we need to start supporting people who mirror our values and not just on a few things, but on all the things. You know what I mean? And I don't want it to sound Pollyanna or like, but I have high expectations for us because we're at the bottom. Like, I don't know how much further to the bottom we can go. You know, in AA, they talk about hitting rock bottom, right? And, you know, there's the good thing about hitting rock bottom is that there's only one way to go. Up.

Up, right? I don't want to see us have to go all the way to the bottom as a society to figure this out. But this is the way we're trending. And when people give people politicians and our leaders the benefit of the doubt without holding them to account. and demanding that they do their job, then really we, you know, it's on us. It's really on us. So things aren't changing because nothing changes.

My campaign slogan was nothing changes with nothing changes. And it's true. And that's what's happening in our province right now. But, and in our world and in our country and all the rest of it. And, you know, and I do. I do agree with the idea of an independent Alberta. And in fact, I think that we have the best case for it possible right now because not only are we shafted in terms of our position in Confederation,

and we're seeing it play out with all these ridiculous, you know, whatever. We're seeing it play out federally right now, right? And I keep when I was, you know, interim leader of the independence part, I'm like, continue on. Like, you're helping us. Like, you know, like continue with you're crazy. but it's not that that I'm necessarily scared about right now. I don't know if scared is the right word, but kind of, I'm in fear around it.

We have these globalist psychopaths that are running our world right now, and they're running our financial institutions and our banking industries and our oil and gas companies and all the rest of it, right? And we have the World Health Organization that is going to be passing these amendments to the pandemic treaty and these international health regulations that are coming in May. likelihood that they're going to pass by all the countries is pretty high, right? And so that's going to give these globalist maniacs total control over our health care sovereignty and everything else. And so once they do that, we're kind of hooped, right? We're going to, there's going to be a

major problem. And we know that there's going to be another pandemic because they tell us. We know that there's going to be a crash because they're going to tell us. That's how they're going to, financial crash, because they tell us and that's how the central bank does. digital currency is going to be ushered in. This is what digital ID is all about. They're telling us what's happening and we need to start believing them. They're telegraphing what's coming. I go back to the hockey analogy, right?

They tell you and you go, that's never going to happen, but they're actually telling us what's coming down the pipe. So I think the only way Alberta safeguards itself from that is by separating. Because you can't be tied to Canada who signed us on to the UN in the, is a member of these global organizations, you can't just carve yourself out as a province. You're not going to be able to do that. We saw that with COVID.

I mean, everybody had the same dots and plexiglass out all over the place. So it's going to be the same thing except on steroids. And so we... Although you might be right. I also think, like, you know, if you get the right people in politics, which I don't even know what that means anymore,

I mean, no. No, we're not, UN. not going to do that. No, W.HO. No, we're not going to do that. And all of a sudden, the world looks a heck of a lot brighter. You know, like, I just, you know. I know, I know, but we, who, who are those people, though? I know, but who are those people to run Alberta for an independent Alberta? And all of a sudden, I think it's all going to be great. No, no, no, no. And in fact, what I was going to say, although I think that there's a very good case for this, but I would not trust the current government in an independent Alberta. I don't believe that we should be going to net zero 2050. I mean,

I don't think we should be doing that. I don't think that we should. I have a lot of ideas about where I would like to see this country and this province go. And if, look, I don't want to. Like, it's not my preference. And it's not like, like, I like Canada. I was born in Canada. Yeah.

I love Canada. Like, I don't have anything against it. But, but it's time that we need to, like, we need to fix this. This is all broken. We know what's all broken. but I wouldn't trust the Smith government to run an independent Alberta because I don't believe in the policies, right? Like I can't even, what I think, what I want to see happen is this recognition by Albertans that they're being played, that this word, this word, this word salad is as a distraction.

We need to look behind what's actually occurring with these proposed policies and laws and agendas. say what it is and we need to elect people who share your values. I mean, it's not rocket science, but there's a lot of money on both sides trying to ensure that good people don't get elected. And I'm going to tell you this. Last, so I ran in the last election against Nathan Cooper in in August, like I have a member of the Independence Party, but I was an interim leader at that point. And so in August I got a membership with the UCP. And I bought my ticket to the AGM. Okay, so I'm like, okay, well, I need to be engaged in this process, right?

Like, obviously. So I want to be. And then what ended up happening is that I was appointed interim leader in October of, so right before the AGM. And so I got an email from somebody at the UCP, and they said, we're going to be revoking your membership because they gave me to you. reason. You're not allowed to go to the AGM because one, you ran against Nathan Cooper in the last

election and two, because you're interim leader. And I was like, he's like, you can appeal this if you want. I'm like, you know what? Whatever. I don't agree with this, but I'm not going to make a stink out of it. I don't really care, right? Like, but what was interesting to me was that another candidate from our party had his membership revoked, but he was an interim leader. And there were other candidates that had run for our party that whose memberships weren't revoked and they were able to go to the AGM. And so just recently I got back in touch because I'm no longer interim leader of the Independence Party. I ended that on January 31st of this year. So I got back in touch with the party, the UCP party and I said, can I have my membership reinstated, right? Like I don't, I don't understand,

and I gave the reasons exactly what I said here today. And I still haven't heard back. So how am I going to participate? If I'm only being given two choices in which to participate in politics, being the NDP and the UCP party, right, by their own design, because other parties don't have a hope and heck, really, given the narrative that's out there, how am I going to actually effectively participate if I'm going to be denied a membership? I mean, I don't get it. I mean, I only made the request on Monday. So it's only Thursday today, right? So hopefully somebody from the party will get back to me. But we have, we have, we have these, we have these issues. Then they need to be resolved and we need to think seriously and hard about, about, you know, doing politics differently

and, and, and, in considering voting for people that actually share your values. Because, and, and, and how do you know that, well, you look at the fruits, right? You understand people by what they, what they say versus how they live their life. And, and I think that a good barometer for people is look back over the past four years, like, where did they stand on issues, and what are they saying, and what are they prepared to lose? Like, look at all the doctors that have lost their jobs for standing out, right? So there's many people that we can think about who we know by their actions, we will know who they are. And yet,

and yet Jesus surrounded himself with prostitutes and, and the lowest of civilization. So while I, like, I, I,

I haven't said it in a while, but I look at it and I'm like, okay, I used to say, when Daniel Smith got elected, I'm like, listen,

I agree with her on like 85% of what she's saying. Yeah. But there's 15%. And I couldn't find another candidate out there where I agreed with everything they said.

Yeah. Just, I just couldn't, And part of it was like, and I don't know if they're popular enough to get voted, right? Because that also is the human factor of like, I just factor all these different things in. But I'm like, 85 is pretty darn good, you know, in my books because like there's, there's some candidates out there where I agreed with like less than 10% of what they were saying. And I didn't trust that they were saying the truth to begin with.

And so where I sit is you come all the way back and I look at Daniel Smith. And then I think of Andrew Lawton because I had Andrew Lawton on and he's, You need to create the conditions where bad politicians, or heck, good politicians, just do the right thing. And that is the culture war. That is what we're, that's why this conversation gets so loud. That's why you get to come in here and say your thoughts. And, you know, I hope that people don't put me in the same boat as half the other independent medias for, because I'm like, I don't know. I just want to hear what people have to say because I truly believe the audience is smarter than me.

They go out, they hear things. They add that to their life. They don't. They take parts. They don't. And then they move on. And I keep looking at, like, Alberta, do we want something different than UCP? I tell you what, the day that it comes, I would trust no other province other than maybe Saskatchewan.

And Saskatchewan's having its own fight with the Saskatchewan. That when it comes, there will be hopefully a grassroots movement. Now, in saying that, the thing that I take a step back when I say all that is I look at the Wild Rose, and it was darn close. Official opposition had Daniel Smith as a leader. And you just don't know the powers that be, you know, when we come back to the spiritual warfare part of this, of what is wrestling to make sure that never comes to light? And you look at the convoy and how that was, you know, anyway, seeing that was this giant plan. I sit here and say, I said no to going on it at the start. And I had multiple phone calls.

I'm not going there. And then I eventually went, right? And I know of a ton of people that, wow, I'm just going to go wave a flag and then felt the presence of it and were gone. and went in support it drove halfway across three quarters way across the country and so like I keep looking and waiting and all I can do is is continue to foster conversations around politics and I get people angry at me all the time because they're either pro-Daniel against Daniel names get said people's feelings get hurt whatever and I don't know I got there's no roadmap for me on this I look at this

and I go all I want to do is bring in people from the province and the area and minds to just add to the conversation because Alberta independence is that the smartest thing? I don't know. I actually don't know. What scares me about, you know, immigration, take immigration. We need to double our population by 2025. I'm like, 2050, sorry, 2050. That seems scary. Like, it just does. I don't know.

But that's because I don't know a whole lot about it. And if she'd say, oh, 2050, but what I want to see is families go from one kid to four, I'd be like, wow, I actually appreciate that thought. There's nobody pushing, let's have bigger families, mainly because we probably can't afford them right now. But I really appreciate people that have families and large families and are the healthy family unit. And so, you know, I keep coming around in these conversations.

I'm like, I feel like I, I hope I just know it when I see it, you know, like just like the Freedom Convoy. You're sitting there in all these meetings, you're talking all these different people, and somebody walks in the room, has this idea, and you go, That is something. And that's something to think on. But here in Alberta, maybe I'm missing it. And maybe somebody's going to be like, you need to interview said person.

Yeah, yeah. But I haven't seen the idea yet. I've heard lots of good ideas and parts, but they don't play nice with anybody. Well, the thing is, though, it doesn't have to play nice. I mean, this idea that, I mean, we have to, I don't even know what that means, right? Like, we've gotten ourselves into a situation where we're kind of, we don't have any, any options. I don't want to come across that I'm I don't I'm not respectful of people because I am respectful of people and I think that what we need to do is we need to go back to our guiding principles and I think for me that's the Bible, right?

So, you know, and trying to live as close to Jesus's teachings as possible. And so for me, that is the moral compass. And so what the Bible says, you know, Timothy 2, he talks about, um, there's going to be a point where there's going to be a lot of debauchery and a lot of evil behavior that's going to happen. And so what is the instruction? The instruction is that we turn away from these people. That's what it says.

It says we turn away from these people. And so what does that mean? That means that we stop participating with them. And that's, I think, where this is going to go. people who want to follow that roadmap because there's going to have you heard of grant abraham's new party no i'm going to send you with something to listen to on the ride home i'm i'm i'm i apologize grant uh i got to figure out what your party's called i'm going to text you right now grant i'm texting you and we'll see if he text me back um but he ran he was was any uh federal conservative candidate

yes yeah yeah sorry i'm i'm texting on the podcast. And I'm like, we'll see if he text me. But Grant Abraham, he's running in a by-election with his new party out in Ontario. And his is, is values-based, right? So trying to get back to values-based politics. And when I just listening, I'm like, oh, this is a guy you should probably talk to, like, or listen to what he has to say. And I don't know where that goes. But what I hear coming out of you. I'm like, to me, I'm hearing a lot of what Grant Abraham had to say. It's not being hard on anyone. You're not trying to be, I don't know, I don't even know the word. I don't get like you're attacking anyone. It's just like this is the problem we have until we address the problem.

There's no fixing said problem. United Party of Canada. Okay. United Party of Canada. There you go. It's brand new. Cool. Yeah. I'll, yeah, send that to me and I'll take a look at it. Like, I don't, Obviously, I'm just one person. I don't have all the answers. I just, you know, I'm trying to figure it out like everybody else, right? But I just look at it and what I see is, okay, you got one of the things I admire about the NDP and the liberals, okay? And that, that, I don't say that lately is that they stick to what they believe in, even when it's insane. They stick to it.

And I'm like, well, give them credit. Like, you know what you're getting at of the NDP and the liberals. Like to me, it's just, they just run it. The conservatives, you know. They're not conservatives. I mean, this is the other thing that we need to come. I just mean the conservative side of things, right? Well, the conservative name party, right?

Sure, conservative name party. Yeah. But then you had the Wild Rose. Now it's the Wild Rose. Something. Coalition. Loyalty Coalition. Loyalty Coalition.

I don't know. Yes. Independence Party. And on and on it goes. And I look at it and I go, why can't? So let's just stick to Alberta and put a circle around. Because what was Archer Poloski's party he went to after? He created the solidarity.

Okay. So you got the solidarity. You got the independence. You got the Wild Rose loyalty coalition. And somewhere Danny Hosak is yelling at me because he's been thinking about this problem because he was a wild rose guy for a very long time. And I just look at it. And I go, I'm no genius.

But I go, in order to win an election, you have to have a united front. that you can circle around and say this is what we stand for, then put the best possible candidates in front, which in my mind means getting people involved and not being not being fishy about it. You know, like when you when you talked about Ezra saying Daniel Smith's the one or whatever, I don't know how he said it.

I'm like, oh, no, one of the things I did on here was I'm like, I'm sure if people know where I was leaning, but I never, I try as hard as I can not to be by, like listen, I trust all of you. and I'm speaking to the proverbial you wherever you're at, to listen to any one of these conversations and make up your own mind. You're very, very capable, very, very smart. And we've seen that in the Alberta election and everything else.

So when I come back to the fragmented parts, I'm like, why is it that we can't go, listen, this is what we believe in. And Grant Abraham's probably swearing out the radio to in his way because this is what he's trying to do. And put it there and then get great candidates to run in it, and then go on the media circuit and talk about it. it and draw in everybody because the grassroots is sitting there. Yeah, sure, but part of the secret is that we have no money.

It's not really a secret. So the people that are running the background here, the people that are benefiting from these net zero policies and these agendas that are funding the Laurentian elite and the conservatives as well, federally and provincially and the NDP, the money is buying into this globalist agenda. So you know, and I don't, and if I may, while I will agree, I think the no money thing is, I don't know, is a cop out because Sask United has money, but they're facing an enemy that is adopting what they're doing. They're playing, you know, they're playing hardball. And then I also see, and I don't know about Sass United, I just see conservatives and I just mean in general.

Yeah, yeah. We get in all these little infights about, you know, like that we're not 100%. identical. That's what makes us beautiful. We're these independent, free-thinking, moving folks that are going to argue about everything. It's wonderful and it's detrimental all at the same time. But there is a ton of money tied up in there. It's just that you've got to have a clear vision of where you're going. Well, what I would like to see in this province is a conservative movement.

Like, I would really like to see that. And whether it's a party or however it is, like one, I think we need to, part of it is being honest with ourselves. The UCP is not a conservative party. Like, it's not, the government is not promoting conservative values. I mean, they're not. And so they're not trying to preserve anything. They're not conserving anything.

And so we need to first recognize that and then recognize that it's okay to your point about the NDP and liberals being so good about, about, um, their position. boldly supporting their position and endorsing it and doing whatever they can no matter how crazy it is, I want to see a conservative movement in Alberta. That's what I want to see. I want to see the conservatives come together and not be like mesmerized by the word smithing that's going on, no pun intended. Um, well done. I didn't mean to do that, but you know what I mean? And to see for it for what it is. And, and I want us to have, I want us to be bold in our, in our values and define them. And I want to be unapologetic about them and say, no, this is what, this is what we stand for in Alberta. And when I,

when I hear all that, I'm like, okay, what I'm trying, and I don't know at times if I'm doing this, because I could be doing a horrific job, folks, is I'm like, why is politics suck? Because it does. there's a lot to it that is just like, I roll everything else. So we got to find a way to draw people in. And I'm actively trying to do that. Sometimes I think I do it well. Other days I'm like, I suck at my job, right? But, you know, David Parker, for all his flaws and all of his great gifts,

one of the things he has imparted on me just is politics is a, you get to participate. It's not a spectator sport. And yet we need to draw people in. in. How do you participate in politics when you can't get a membership to the party? Well, the, that would be my first question. Sure. And so, and so to the audience, you put pressure on said party to let her back in. And all of a sudden, Catherine's back in and it's like, oh, I'm a participant again.

Yeah. Because that's what we do in this society. And, and so that's, that's an easy, to me, that's an easy fix. It's like UCP, smart not, let her back in. Yeah. It's like, you don't want that getting out there and I assure you there's going to be someone listening that's going, ooh, that's not a good look. And so they're going to, you know, I just assume that's an easy fix. And if it isn't fixed in short time, then the population should just put their feet to the fire and be like, hey, smarten up. Yeah. Well, sure, I know. And, you know, and eventually we'll hopefully twist, twist it around or turn it around so that we can just know that people are going to do the right thing and. But people are people are, people are,

people are easily corruptible there's no there's no there's i don't see this this uh this pie in this this guy future where all of a sudden everybody just does what's right like we're we're we're corrupted like as a human being we have flaws it's what makes us human right yeah and so you look at it and you go like we just have to start putting you know emminton oilers i love bringing sports into it right if if uh they don't win the stanling cup this year there's probably going to be if they don't make the playoffs there will be heads on spikes, not literally, but you get to, you know, get what I mean. People will be fired.

Yes, immediately. If they make it to the second round, maybe not, but people will be angry. If they make it to the, you know, and it's on and it goes, I look at it and I go, that's all I want for politics. Because I don't have any,

nobody is, there's, the only way you get this world where we get to walk away and politics is great, is if Jesus is at the helm, and he ain't out there. I mean, in the physical form, walking around, going to run for politics, I don't see it. I hear all the stories about Trump and this and that. I'm like, he ain't there.

There isn't this morally non-corruptible person sitting there. Everybody has their flaws. So you go, okay, how do we get it to a point where we can all, like, look at politics for what it is? Well, we just create this sport, if you would, where we all become a little bit of political, junkies and nerds and we don't need 100% of the population to do that. We just need more than what's there right now. And it's happening because you're one. I'm certainly

one. There's more than that. And we all don't let off with the okay Daniel Smith came out and had her thing. But what? As soon as I'm like but why would you say we're hiring a doctor? Who cares? Leave it over in Quebec. Yeah. And we all heard it.

And the next thing is, is not walking away from it. He's hurting it and being like, ah, it's for somebody else to deal with. So we just got to keep putting these avenues on, which is on this show and other shows to get Daniel Smith to come on, to make politics not disappear into the vague, because when it's in the

vague, we get 20-50, we get 20-and the first, and the first time she said 20-50, I'll be the first to admit. I'm probably not the first, but I was like, oh yeah, okay, sure, whatever, at least it's not 20-30. But then I keep these conversations going. And I'll be the first to say about Daniel, well, not the first, sorry, I don't know why

I keep saying that, but I'll point out, Daniel Smith, when she was at the, Alberta prosperity projects yeah APPs debate and a bunch of the candidates wouldn't show up right so Travis Taves wouldn't go I think Rebecca Schultz wouldn't go there's a bunch of others because they're all extremists

and you're like you guys are insane right like this is part of your voting population whether you want to admit it or not they're going to decide just as much as anyone who's getting the leadership so not going is a tell and in her questions she at that time said when it came to the transgender thing,

you know, like, I don't think elementary kids should be exposed to this and kind of had like a rational thought. I'm rational. I'm putting that in parentheses, parentheses, folks. And most of the table went, yeah, that makes sense.

And it's funny what a human, most of us humans are like, where it's like we hear something, we go, yeah, but then that's where the conversation comes in. And we enter Catherine. She pushes on something, and you go, oh, yeah.

So, hmm. And we're so hard on each other for sit across from somebody the first time and hold them right to the fire. Yeah. But these ideas are complex. And we just got to keep engaged with it. Well, we have to. And we have to make sure, you know, and that was very clear that Shauna and I discussed yesterday, right? Like now is the opportunity, especially on this issue that we need to be in touch with our representatives.

now, just to let them know really how, in my, so my message is going to be, you know what, I think you really missed the mark here. This is the line I would take, and I don't think there is a gray here, because especially insofar as our children are concerned. Like, and I don't want to see any government funding going to fund any of this nonsense. Like, I just don't. I mean, it's not, I, it's black and white for you. It's black and white for me.

And you don't have to agree with it, and that's your prerogative, right? and but I'm going to hold that position because I don't think we can I don't think we can afford to to be gray on this issue anymore. It's just become too dangerous. And maybe I'm wrong on my thought process. Maybe Danielle hasn't changed as much as I think she has from the Alberta, the APP debate with Ezra Levant on stage and I think it was Dennis Modry. Dennis Modry, right? Maybe maybe somebody from there can be like, no, she said that, but in my mind, I thought she was pretty mellow about the whole thing. Like she addressed the question,

but she didn't all sudden come out and have a seven, saying no longer will we allow this and this and this. So to me, I see the Alberta population has pushed her already. And this comes back to the Andrew Lawton. We need to create the conditions so that any politician, good or bad, does the right thing.

And that is a struggle that will go on for all of time. And the only thing I can see is getting more of the Alberta population engaged in that. Because the NDP side or whatever side, like to me, the trans movement, they're engaged. It's like every waking moment they're engaged. And it's true. Well, and I'm going to say this again, and they're well funded.

I mean, we can't ignore that. That is a reality. I mean, I would love to be able to do a lot of things, but I'm limited because I don't have the money to do it, right? I know. I often... Same with the party. Like the Independence Party,

Could have been, you know, could have, should, whatever. But, you know, it's not as easy to us, okay, the grassroots come in and, yeah, and how do we get together when all these egos are involved and all the rest of it, right? Like, but it is, it is about getting engaged. It's about educating people. It's about, it's about letting people experience the consequences of their own decisions. I'm sorry, like, you know, I'll talk to good friends of mine who are like, oh, my, my daughter and a boy walked into the change room today at her school.

And I'm like, well, what, what are you going to do? And she's like, well, I'm really going to, she wanted to put that on her daughter to say, to go to the administration and say, no, don't do that, right? Like, I don't feel comfortable. That's the other, that's the other piece that's missing within this, you know, announcement of Daniel Smith about bathrooms. Like, I, I kind of am on, like, red alert. Like, am I going to go, you know, go to Chinook Mall and find some, something else in my,

in the bathroom? Like, I don't want to be faced with that. Like, if, like, if. feels uncomfortable to me, like, I don't want that. So I think that has to definitely be addressed as well. Like, you know, I don't know how it's going to be addressed, but I don't want that in my, I don't want the opposite sex in my bathroom unless they're like a four-year-old boy that you're, you know, like clearly your parent, right? Or there's family changers for that. So I think we do have to encourage people to get engaged and and then live through the consequences.

It's like part of my learning and development, I think, as a person has been through pain. And I've said, like, pain is the touchstone for change. And anybody who's gone through recovery or recovery program will know that saying very well, right? Pain is the touchstone for change. And when we're too comfortable as a society, when things haven't affected us personally, we're less likely able to take the action necessary to affect the change that we want, right? because we're not, we're not, things are okay right now. Things are, you know, we haven't lost everything.

We haven't hit rock bottom. What I want for humanity and for society is I don't want us to go to the bottom. Like I don't want us. You want to cheat code it and jump over a step. But let's just, let's just, let's have these conversations now, how I know they're very challenging and they're very, very difficult. But we need to, we need to understand the history. We need to understand the players. We need to understand the influences.

and we need to be honest about it, and then we need to have a plan of action to say, no, we're not going to do that anymore. And so that also includes not following as a province here a globalist agenda. And this is what is these policies, net zero, so G, DEI, mass immigration, these are these globalist agendas. And we're playing them out right now in real time. That's what we're doing.

When you all that came to mind and I pulled. my phone out again, which I hate doing, especially on the conversation. But hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. It's a cycle. And you're like, well, how do we just hop over the, the, the, how do you, you know, circumvent the cycle, essentially?

Yeah. And we need more people to experience pain. I know. And that sucks. It really does, right? Because I want more and more people to be engaged. but I was watching Braveheart the other night, you know? I'm reading this book and showed up to Peter Moran sitting over in Manitoba.

He gave me, and I apologize, forget even the name of the book, but it's like Man's Call to Adventure, I can't remember. I'll the next time Peter's on, or somebody, somebody else, anyways, it doesn't matter. He gets talking about Braveheart. And if you've watched Braveheart movie, then you would, and this plays out in a lot of movies, or stories, does he go off to war immediately? No. No.

Well, what has to happen? Love of his life has to have her neck slit and then he becomes a force of nature who galvanizes an entire population and off they go. And, you know, like, do you wish the woman was alive? Yeah, but it wouldn't have created the fire that went on. You know, I'm not saying anyone has to have their neck done anything. No, see, the human condition is that pain is the time. touchstone for change, but we don't have to. I mean, this is, I mean, we have free will. I mean, we don't have to experience that. So my, my suggestion is let's not. My suggestion is let's not as

well. My suggestion is, uh, is get engaged, you know, like get engaged. I got laughed at by a few people. I was telling you this before we got in because we just had a Lloyd Minister by-election. Uh, congratulations to, um, David Lopez, uh, who has actually been on this podcast a long time ago, uh, for bike for breakfast. But, But he won the local by-election. And I would say in Lloyd Minster, and I don't have anything sitting in front of me, just my own personal experience. But I would say every election, there's probably the Chamber of Commerce who does, like,

meet your candidates, right? I think that's pretty standard here in Lloyd. And other than that, I don't know. Is there anything else that's gone on other than going and speaking to maybe a couple community groups and trying to get your face out there? And I go, well, I want to, you know, we got to get for the kids, say a group here in town. And it formed during COVID. and it's trying to engage our community in things that are really important.

Lots of the words, lots of the acronyms and different things you've been talking about, DEI, SOG, I don't know, on and on it goes. ESG, SDGs. We've been trying to normalize those so that people understand what's going on and have different speakers come to town. Anyways, so we did a debate. We had six to the eight candidates show up. I'm not sitting here saying it was the best thing that sliced bread.

I learned a lot of different things as you do when it's your first debate you've ever put on. You know, when it was the UCP with them running for new leader, when Daniel Smith was running for leader, I sat on stage with five of them and did a roundtable version of it instead of an actual debate to try and feel that out. It was uncomfortable, but I'm like, we need to find ways to get our population to come out to these events and realize how important they are. Because all of you are uber smart. You're smart and you can see when you like a candidate, don't like a candidate. But if you only engage once a year, you can be. enough. You can be fooled. If you engage twice a year, you can still be fooled. But you start engaging

over the course of a year. You can go, well, wait a second, because I have this happen to me all the time with Daniel Smith or any other politician. That's not what she said a year ago and I'll be like, a year ago. That's not what she said eight years ago and I'll go eight years ago, right? Like, I'm only, you know, and until you're engaged and start to see what's playing out, it's hard to explain it. Because you go to one debate and you go, yeah, I really like that guy and then you forget about it for five years nothing's going to change right because the same thing is still put in place if i'm good for one night and i convince katherine i'm the right guy but then she never watches what i do for the next four years we've already lost we have to find a way to engage

and part of that is is on media to find it a big part to to hold them accountable or to engage with them so that the audience can hold the media accountable it's not comfortable on this side when I get, you know. Oh, I'm sure you're going to get a lot of blowback from this. I get blowback from everything at this point, you know, like I got, I get yelled, Daniel Smith on here, and I got yelled at for 10 ways to Sunday for like three days. Yeah. And I was just like, take a breath.

This is part of it. People are interacting with things that is hard to, you know, like they want. Hey, I feel, I feel very passionately about it. And I, you know, so I can, I agree. I mean, it's a learning. It's a learning about being engaged and it's learning about different personalities. And I'm not saying that any of this is easy. But yeah, get involved.

I mean, part of what we're doing, like my husband is now the town counselor for the village that we live in, right, of less than 400 people. But that's where we're going to focus our efforts is local in the community right now. And then all I can say is that let's just keep doing this. Let's keep being authentic. Let's keep being honest. and let's keep telling it how we see it because there will be a point in time, Sean,

where I think people are going to recognize who told them the truth and who didn't. And I know what side of, I know what side I want to be on. Yeah. And that's what I'm going to continue to do. And I hope that people will find their way too. I appreciate you coming in doing this

and making the tour here. Thank you very much. The reason we started early was so that you get out of you here on a decent time and get back. And I better make sure that we, well, not honor it for sure, but we've been going now for over two hours. Oh, wow. Okay. I appreciate you coming in doing this. You know, just for the listener, I've been, you know, like I said earlier, sometimes like a name keeps popping up.

You're like, who is this person? Yeah. Okay, fine. Let's do this. Let's see what happened. I've enjoyed the conversation. I hope the audience has as well. Either way, thanks for making the road trip out here.

and sitting down and having a conversation. Thank you, and I hope we can continue one day, and thanks for this.