Shaun Newman Podcast - #591 - Blue Collar Roundtable #2

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

In the 2nd edition of the Guardian Blue Collar Roundtable we discuss government regulations, the green agenda and taking over the green party. I’m joined by:Chace Barber - He is a 4th generation truck driver from British Columbia who is a founder & CEO of Edison Motors which built North America’s first electric logging truck.  Quick Dick McDick - Small town Saskatchewan farmer who went from Snapchat handle to YouTube star with over 15 million views. During the week he farms and the weekends he spends on a comedy tour across Western Canada.  Tyler Chiliak (Crackpot Farmer) - 30 year old father of 2 farming in eastern Alberta. He gives a common sense approach to real world problems on his page The Crackpot Farmer.  SNP Presents returns April 27th Tickets Below:https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone/ Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcastE-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Phone [phone] – general sales line, ask for Grahame and be sure to let us know you’re an SNP listener.

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Well, there's a whole bunch of things going on there and food, you know, food has gone up. I'm not going to lie. The old price on paying for lunch and supper, I was like, oh, my goodness, like, that's a shocker. I guess it shouldn't be a shocker. I mean, it's happening everywhere in the world. Either way, that's going to be a fun day. April 27th here in Lloydminster. Go on the show notes.

You can buy tickets. I hope to see you there. I think it's going to be a fun, fun day. All right, let's get on to that tale of the tape. The first, he's a fourth generation truck driver from British Columbia, who is the founder and CEO of Edison Motors. The second, small town Saskatchewan Farmer, who went from Snapchat handle to YouTube,

start with over 15 million views. And finally, the third, a 30-year-old father of two, farming in eastern Alberta, and he gives a common-sense approach on his page of the crackpot farmer. I'm talking about Chase Barber, Quick Dick McDick and Tyler Schallack. So buckle up. Here we go.

Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast and the second edition of the Guardian plumbing and heating blue color roundtable. Tonight I'm joined by Chase Barber, Quick Dick, McDick, and Tyler, Tyler Schallack. You know, folks, of all the last names, come on, quick, that doesn't look like Shalak. It's Shalak. Like you got Shalak last night. Anyways, that's a great last name. It really doesn't. Yeah. No. Okay, so on the Blue Clower Roundtable, I don't know if I, I feel like I'm mastermining this.

The first one, we had a Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta. This time we got Saskatchewan, Alberta, and B.C.C. So we're going to have a little bit of fun tonight. We're going to start right below me with Chase. Just a little bit about you, Chase, and what you do in the Blue Collar World, we'll move over to quick, then to Tyler, just so people can get used to your voices. And we'll go from there. Yeah, for sure. I'm Chase Farber. I've been a truck driver and logger for the last 15 years, and now I'm building electric trucks. Q. Yeah, my name's Dixon DeLorm, otherwise known as Quick Dick McDick on social media, and I am a cowcalf rancher slash green farmer slash work for another guy in Saskatchewan close to Yorkton.

And I have a beard, and I talk frivolously about the federal. government from time to time. And Tyler. I'm Tyler Schallack. I go on Facebook as the crackpot farmer. And I am a farmer in eastern Alberta. And I try to grow things where in a desert where we shouldn't grow things. Well, boys, I want to start and, and I'm going to, I'm just, you know, I watch Quick Dix's

latest video and I, you know, like, I watch our federal government. And I'm like, I don't mean to start in politics, but I just feel like it's, it's got to be impacting all of your life. because I just stare at it and it's insanity. We're going to have no roads. We're going to jail everybody for oil and gas. We're going to, you know, and on it goes. You know, and on and on it goes.

Boys, do you care what the federal government saying? How much does it hurt you? Where are you sitting? And I'll start with Chase. But after that, please feel free to jump in, bounce around wherever you want to go. I've normally been staying out of politics most of my life. But now since starting Edison Motors, I feel like I'm forced in. do it because I'm interacting with the government

a lot more. When I was just driving a truck, I didn't care about anything. I just hauled logs from the mountain to the sawmill. Nothing else bothered me. Now I'm dealing with the government. And the more I'm dealing with the government and regulators and legislation, the more I realize just how totally bullshit it all is. Like, looking from the inside out, it is so corrupt

and so fucked up. And it's just on a level that I did not even realize. Chase, is it more because, like, obviously, if nobody's followed what you're doing, they really should, because what you're doing is actually, it's really cool, man. But, like, is it more because of regulation and you trying to get permitted to be able to do what you're doing kind of thing that you run into, like, the wall of bureaucracy that is our government? Oh, you know, I knew there was going to be a wall of bureaucracy. Like, I knew that going in there. I was expecting to deal with it. It's the pure amount of just corruption.

that I did not realize existed. Like I knew I was going to be like, yes, we are absolutely caught in areas of giant circle paperwork. Like, you need this before you can get the VIN, but you can't get this until you get the VIN. Like, you can't make the manufacturer. You need to build trucks,

but you can't build trucks until you're a truck manufacturer, but you can't be a manufacturer. So that's a giant circle work, a paperwork that I've had to nail it. Like, we knew that was going to happen. We know there's bureaucracy. It's the pure level of just

absolute, overt, corruption and just bullshit that we deal with at a fundamental level that I didn't like for example we applied for a government grant um because like like like federal or provincial chase not not that it matters but I mean just so everyone's got a better idea because I already know the answer but let them have it this one was provincial but the exact same happened it was a mix of federal provincial both contributing so it's both but to give you an example it's to build electric trucks and it was mainly in BC to support BC electric truck manufacturers and electric commercial trucks we are the only electric truck commercial truck manufacturer to exist in

BC that's headboard in BC and what we did is we applied and said that it's going to cost 1.5 million to develop a full electric vehicle like to help us get this stage in production build the electric get through the next steps and it's going to take about a year and a half two years because, well, that's what it took us the last time. We said, okay, we'd love to be able to. You know what the government said to us? We had a meeting and we got turned down for one of the grants. A lot of other companies got awarded these grants to the tune of they had like $50 million, $60 million to spend on these programs, I think. The reason they said, oh, your project ticked all the right boxes. It was actually our number two most favorite project in terms of what it

but we found that your grant application wasn't for enough money and your timeline was too aggressive so we couldn't award you the grant so literally because we weren't going to we only applied for what we needed to make this the thing that the grant was for we only applied for what we needed to do the grant and we had a timeline that was good for us but because we weren't willing to waste extra amounts of taxpayer money and take way longer than a project needed to we weren't eligible so they turned around and they gave it to a bunch of foreign companies. So rather than going to Canadian companies or local companies, a bunch of foreign-owned companies got all of this Canadian taxpayer money because we weren't going to waste enough of the taxpayer money. And where it gets

so much more fucked up than this. Like, that's just stupid. How dare you be affordable and efficient in Canada? How dare you? That's our fault. That's our bad. I'm sorry for being affordable, efficient and getting things done the way blue collar workers get things done. But here's the kicker. MNP is the company that the government hired to administer the grant. And before the grant, MNP reached out to us and they wanted to write the grant proposal for us for a $400,000 to $500,000 success fee that we had to pay them. So because MNP decides who gets the grant, MNP wanted 20% of what the cost of the grant was in a success fee. So because we weren't willing to, like, we didn't know this at the time. I'm like, no, fuck off. We're not paying you $500,000 to write a grant for us,

but because we didn't pay the company to write the grant, we didn't get the grant. So why the fuck? It sounds like a bribe. Like that that's what that is. That's exactly what it is. Why is the company allowing that decides who gets the grant, the company that's allowed to submit the applications for the grant and then allowed to charge 20% of the value of the grant awards? They're billing the government to assign the grant and then they're billing the people who apply for the grant. And like, as a small company, I don't have $500,000 laying around that I can apply for a $2 million, $3 million grant with. Like, that's not just money I have laying around to burn.

You know, who does? Billion dollar foreign companies that don't need the fucking million dollars to build a truck. Fuck, it's so fucked up at this level that it's just bullshit. Sorry. I don't know if I could have said it better myself. Yeah, that's very eloquent. I feel like it's like who's on first or something, you know? It's like the way you just said that, I'm like, so, hey, they're the one who's going to give you the grant, yes.

But they want you to pay you to write the grant for them. So they want to write the grant to themselves. Yes. Yeah. That makes zero sense. It's like our finder's fee, but not quite a finder's fee. It's just a writer's fee because you already found it and they just want to get paid to write it. Yeah, it's terrible.

Hashtag, drive can. Don't look any closer. Right. No. It's a bribe. Do you, on the farming side of things, do you see anything like this?

You know, like, I don't know. Is there anything that even resembles that much, I don't know, corruption? I think, you know, you probably said it, Chase, the right word right there. Go ahead, Tyler. Let a rip, man. Don't really have a whole lot to say.

And because I think there's not really anything just like that in the egg industry. There probably is in some kind of innovation front, but I'm not exactly in innovation front with what I'm doing. So I haven't seen that level of nonsense in what I'm up to. But, I mean, we can talk about the carbon tax and the regulation that comes with that and all the nonsense that goes with it and how it's supposed to pay for things and make things better. What we're seeing is the fact that the government is simply out of touch with reality, with the average person, because we have all these university educated people who are so incredibly smart,

They just have no real world experience to be able to apply their knowledge to see what what they're wanting to write and make into legislation the effects it's going to have. And we see that to varying degrees essentially throughout the entire industry, but not quite to the same degree that Chase is encountering just because he's trying to do something new from the ground up, not, no, from foreign or from some big company trying to expand. He's a small startup. And so you find most of the garbage that way. Well, this grant was funded by carbon tax money. Like this grant is like it's for EVs and for electrification, but that's where it came from was carbon tax. So somehow, according to the government, taxing people on home heating and then

awarding it through corrupt grants to billion dollar corporations is going to solve. Yeah, they're not from Canada. It's just, it's what I found on the inside. And like, I'm probably going to get in shit with the government talking about it. I'm probably going to piss people off if they hear about it. But like, this is a good. I'm delivering money through clean tech. Clean tech, all these clean tech grants we have found out, 90% of all of them are just a way

to launder money from the taxpayer to giant billion dollar corporations. That's all these clean tech, clean initiatives, carbon grants, like being on the inside looking out, all of the stuff that they are doing for emissions, like all this climate change stuff is just a way of laundering billions of dollars away from the Canadian taxpayer. That's all it appears. And that's just... Sorry, go ahead to Tyler. Sorry, quick.

Chase, think that's kind of why you've taken off is because you've started from the ground up and you don't hold any punches back when it comes to calling people on their crap. And so you're showing what this industry actually looks like from the inside and what trying to get in on, you know, not renewables necessarily,

but getting in on the whole green phase thing in the electric vehicles, showing what the potential actually can be and showing what the industry, what the flaws are in the, industry and how circular it is and its corruption and its grants and everything like that. And that's why you've gained so much popularity with the public and with the average blue collar worker. That's why me, you know, running 40 year old machinery is excited and can't wait

to be able to get an electric conversion pickup because of who it is who's putting it together and the fact that you, you're not afraid to call a pile of crap, a pile of crap. And the average person is able to relate to you a lot better. 100%. That's why you do so good chase just because you're honest about it all, right? I think that's what a lot of us and a lot of us understand, like, what can happen with, with just straight alone torque on what can happen with, like, electric motors versus what we can do with internal combustion. Like, it's just, it's a non-starter, you know what I mean? But, like, to be honest about the, you know, the limitations and the capabilities of it and everything is something that everybody needs to be honest about.

It's a big reason why I do a lot of the productions that I do is because you're just like, no, I get it. It's cool. This was, I can't remember. I think it was almost two years ago, you know, where I was just like, hey, like, I want to plant all of our crops an electric tractor but here's what we'd have to do with the electricity grid in Saskatchewan to be able to make that happen on on the amount of farms that we have in Saskatchewan it's it's it's not doable you know what i mean but it doesn't change the fact that that what you can do with with with the torque that comes from electric motors is is next level like it's it's almost

unachievable with anything else right oh 100 percent electric electric is 100 percent the way to go it's electric is awesome batteries suck you know if there was one guy who changed my mind on some things it was chase barber because i sat with him and i'm like oh my god i've been hating on this thing and then the way he just like why have they shun they should have you as the poster child we'd all come running for you know swearing calling it is wearing a little bit of a beard plaid jacket yeah sign me up to that guy you know well they they do not want me as a poster channel of electric. They don't, but the average Joe does.

The average Joe does. Yeah, the average Joe listens to you talk about electric. And, you know, I would say listening to Gabo talk about how we're going to do it. Turns me into I want to run my vehicle all day long, 365 and just burn as much as I can because I want to say, fuck you. And when I listen to you talk about it, I'm like, this actually makes. sense. I can actually get behind this. That's such a huge issue with, like,

it's messaging is, I mean, a huge issue. I mean, among 10 billion other with our current federal our federal government party. I'm not even going to say their names, but messaging's a big deal, right? But even when you look at, so if you want to talk about, you know,

government regulation in agriculture and I try and pay attention as much as I can to innovation, there's just so much of it happening all at once. But like drone spraying, and I've talked about before is drones are going to be a huge part of agriculture going into the future, whether anybody likes it or not, just for the simple fact that, I mean, you eliminate product waste, you eliminate wheel tracks, you eliminate so many different things with using drone technology,

but when you look at where the PMRA is at right now with the federal government, you're not allowed to apply anything that's not off label. I mean, it just, it has to be a foliar fertilizer or something. You can't go in and do target spraying with glyphosate or, or any different. and other herbicides right now because that's how the pest management regulatory authority handles it in Canada. And it's a disaster, you know? We have one of the biggest innovations that would lower our inputs and if you want to call

a carbon footprint in agriculture right now. And the PMRA is just dragging their heels and they're not keeping up with anything that we need to do to keep moving forward with it, right? So one of your biggest solutions of what you can use, which technically is an EV, which you would have to, you know, use a generated charge out of the middle of nowhere, but it's besides the point. It's just that it's the direction that we all want to go and should go, but our government won't let us go in the direction that they're trying to push us to go in. You know what I mean? It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Because being from the inside, looking out,

it's not so much about the electrification. The electrification is a way of getting tons of grants, pushing it into the thing. It's about, it seems to be, Way more about planned obsolescence, not owning your stuff, not being able to repair your stuff, not like... Absolutely. It's about controlling people more than it actually is about reducing. Like, none of this, none of this, from looking in, from the inside looking out, none of this seems to be about going green, reducing emissions.

Like, we've shown that like, hey, we can get 50% better fuel mileage, which means it's burning as a generator. We're getting 60% reduction in emissions. and this is something that we can apply to all trucks very quickly. No, we're not interested in that. We're not funding that. We're not doing anything about it. Why?

Because they don't want you to own anything anymore. They don't want you to have a car that you can service, a car that you can drive. Hey, you're responsible. You're on the demand of the power grid. You're like, I'll show you an example that I've learned from talking with one of our customers. I can't say who. There's NDAs in place. But went to a mine site.

And this mine right now is being fined. $40,000 to $50,000 a day for being too environmentally friendly because... How's that even fucking possible? The water is too clean coming out of the mine. So there's a creek that used to run through the area that had its cement and deposit. And in that, it would pick up the copper and the zinc and the iron and it would wash down into this creek. And before this mine went in, this was a non-fish-bearing creek and river because it was so polluted

15 years ago that the river would kill all the fish, kill all the wildlife. They recently, four or five years ago, had to put a fish gate in because fish were swimming upstream because the quality of the water, because they were putting all their tailings, their silt dam, like it was just clean water coming out. They were pumping clean water out. It wasn't leaching the naturally occurring minerals into the stream and the fish came back in it. So they're now being fined $50,000 a day for having clean water because they have altered the natural. environment and the natural environment had arsenic, zinc, iron ore

into the creek. It was killing all the fish. It was an ecological disaster because the minerals were already there. The mine went in, they scraped all that up, they cleaned it up, and now they're being fined out the ass for changing the water content from the natural thing. So they're like... How dare they?

To dump arsenic and zinc it back into the creek and kill the rivers and they're like, no, no, no, you can't do that. That would be a way bigger fine, but we are going to find you for changing things. So it's just about control. It has nothing to do with the environment. Disconnected bureaucrats, holy moly.

So what do we do, fellas? You know, I look around this table, I see, you know, in the virtual table, I see three brilliant dudes. I see guys that are really moving and shaking and talking about the world and looking at the world and interacting with the world. You hear that story.

And I go, I mean, the sane asylum is being ran by the inmates right now. Like, how do you change it? Is it through politics? Or you, Once you're in politics, you're stuck in the same, like, bureaucracy that's sitting there. Is there anything, you know, to get around this to, like, stop the insanity? I don't think we'll. Go ahead.

I was just going to say, you've heard me say it before, Sean, but, I mean, I don't think we'll change things through politics, to be perfectly honest. I think a lot of the bright enough incomers that we see go into politics, get into politics, and realize just how deep corruption runs and a lot of the bureaucrats and government. they either get out of it or they slide into it and just become a part of it. I think there's there's just nobody that seems to be able to stick out and change it. So I mean, as much as I want to say, you know, oh yeah, people just need to get into politics and, you know, you need to get in there and get on your councils and do this and do that. I think a lot of people find out really fast once you get into politics.

I mean, I can't say much about even a provincial candidate that's running close to here, like just with stuff that happens with provincial politics and who they're going to let run to represent a certain riding when you get right down to the brass tax of it it's uh it's gross it's really gross and uh the good people are probably going to leave and the people that are kind of on the fence are just going to become a part of it and i think that's a i think that's a big problem it's doom and gloom and it doesn't give anybody anything warm and fuzzy in the feelers but i i really think that's that's where all politics on a provincial and federal level are at now you know yeah i would agree anybody that actually has a spine in the backbone and actually legitimately wants to help people.

We can divvy politics up into politicians and statesmen, and there's very, very, very few, if any, statesmen left. I was fortunate that our MLA was a statesman. He's actually a neighbor of ours, also a farmer. Statesman right to the core. And a couple years ago, he got ousted through questionable means. And I think that's one of the last statesmen. I mean, maybe our premier here in Alberta could almost.

be called the stateswoman probably one of the closest things that the country has seen to somebody who actually has the interest of their province in mind generally speaking but for the most part politicians seem to be in it for themselves and there doesn't really seem to be that much of an exception to it so yeah i'm i'm with you on that quick uh there's there doesn't i don't have any hope of politics bailing us out of this kind of a mess i have a solution and it's the only one i've thought of and it sounds absolutely insane until you get into i love that shit let her rip i think we need to just get a ton of blue collar people to all run for the green party. You know what I was talking to some politicians and they're like, yeah, I would love to do things.

But we have what we call the NDP, the conservatives, the liberals all have what they call a party whip. And you have party with. And you have to vote the way the party says. So let's say quick dick, Mick Nick there runs for conservative party because he doesn't like the way things are going. Well, the Conservative Party says no, no, no, your idea is too radical. You go with what the status quo is and whatever the head people that run the conservative party and you're going to vote the way we tell you or we're kicking you out of the party. So you don't actually have a choice.

The Green Party is the only party that doesn't have a political whip. They don't have that in their articles. So their members are free to vote however they want and can't get kicked out. So most ridings do not have a Green Party thing because nobody in Alberta is voting. for the Green Party so I say fuck it it's already there just a bunch of people can free to run we run in the Green Party because there's no voting and then we just vote however we want because the Green Party can't whip you see you just you just finished saying that I just roasted the piss out of Elizabeth May for wearing an emissions cap and all of a sudden

I'm like fuck maybe a guy could run for the Green Party well it's funny I curious if we took it over and then just a bunch of blue-collar people in the Green Party It's fucking genius. I argued here in Alberta, when Rachel Notley stepped down, we should just flood the NDP. The only problem is is the NDP, well, they can deny memberships. They can deny a whole bunch of different things. And I don't know how the Green Party works that way. How's Tuse is running as a candidate going?

Is he making any headway? I don't think Tuse is making any headway. I mean, that's the only idea I have. That's a good idea. Trivenos are going to be listening to the same multi-billion dollar corporations. At the highest level, I'm not conspiracy theorists too much, but I think at the highest level, liberals, conservatives, they're all working for the WEF or they're all working for the elite billion-dollar corporations

at the fundamental thing. Like, fuck it. Everyone just runs Green Party. we do what they did over in Denmark or the Danish did there and it was just they took over a political party and that was it and they formed the government and they just rewrote the things to the way they wanted to do it it's not a bad idea boys it's a valid idea for sure I'm not hearing any arguments from all three of the other two on the on the old stream here but I mean honestly like what like what she says is not entirely wrong I mean be how everybody wants to bind to the WEF garbage that goes on it doesn't matter what political party you look into i mean it just i mean vivian krauss has always said at the best it's just like just follow the money and i mean i think she originally coined that phrase or whatever but i mean she has followed a lot of money into a lot of

place and you find a lot of corruption and uh it doesn't matter what political party it is it can be federal it can be provincial eventually you go far enough and there's somebody that's helping somebody out and i mean uh i go back to what i first said i mean a lot of politicians, I think, start in to to make things better and try and make a change a lot of times because they want things better for their family or for their children or for whoever it may be. And when they're exposed to the corruptness and the bureaucrateness of everything, I mean, it's just that it's one of two paths and it's never stand for what you believe in and keep running in the party.

It's either you're done or you buy in. It's one or the other, right? Yeah, that's exactly it. People said, you know, we need to get a conservative government in, but that really isn't going to change anything. I've said for quite a while, especially the two big parties, it's the same party just with a slightly different face. And they use exactly the same tactics and say the same things to appeal to just enough people on the other side

to make us all think that it's actually going to be progress. And there may be a little bit of authenticity to what they're saying that they might change a few things. But generally speaking, the ship's still headed in the same direction. We just zigzagged a little bit. it doesn't really matter which captain it is they're both in the same place yeah i heard a i heard a good quote from somebody that i hold very near and dear to my heart and someone was asking do you really think that it's worth voting for polly and he was like well sometimes you got to wear a pair of goth that you had a wet fart in to be able to wash the pants that you shit in so

i was like you know what not bad you know i mean it's not wrong Well, there's that. Shout out to you, Ritzy, if you're listening. What do we do from a party and say, fuck it? Hopefully try and do what they did in Denmark. That could be logistically challenging. I think we got enough characters. We've got a lot of country out here to try to cover.

There's a little bit. I do not have the time for that and not advocating. I'm just saying we are running for the green party and say, fuck it. They're already formed. They already have. ribings what's the worst that could happen yeah we just re-pinked and call the then you're gonna go and then you're gonna trudging in there and and try and

whip around Elizabeth May and a bunch of other people and deal with that that that would be a lot of fun John I'm gonna tell you the last thing I expected jumping on the blue collar around table tonight was gonna be me thinking for two seconds legitimately I've done some green party can you can you imagine can you imagine let's think about this for a second though green party hey come to our mention who's running well we got chase barber from Edison motor is going to be the new that new figurehead we got the crack part for a crackpot farmer from southern alberta or i guess not central Alberta and we got quick dick mcdick from Saskatchez geez that sounds like a party i

can get behind and you know if you if you had those three on there pretty soon you'd have you know i bet you twos would run i bet you marty up north run you'd have all these people up run all of a sudden and geez it it actually it doesn't sound that bad and can you imagine that those people in parliament being like you're fucking stupid you can't say that everybody lose their shit and and it would just be like you get it up this is stupid like that be fantastic that be fun watching they out of the party either for not agreeing with the party lines for not having that party with so technically you could get paid as your job to tell what Elizabeth made to go fuck yourself be like no you're fucking stupid and I'm disagreeing with

own party and you're getting paid for it fucking listen i don't think anybody should be worried about what you can say in the house of commas because if charlie angus can stand up there and say that he wants to find you a million dollars and send you to the slammer for two years to say me oil and gas is great i mean like who gives a fuck you know renewal boys i i i was thinking about this actually i'm going to start here i'm going to go back regulations you know i hear the government and what they're doing a chase and I'm like, oh boy, like that's, that's something. We were talking about, um, you know, a building in Lloyd and how much money they're going to spend on it and I don't want to go too far into it, but just like I was looking around and I was talking to some blue collar guys.

I'm like, how much you spent? Well, problem is, is, you know, they're going to have to do this and they're going to have to do this level of safety and they're going to have to do all these things and they're going to have to get that and it's going to balloon the price big time. And I'm like, so if it was your building, what would you do? Well, I wouldn't do any of that. I mean, I mean, we have our own code to set, and here it is, and everything else. And I look at farmers, I look at a logger, and I go, how much is regulations messing up your business? Like, Tews, you brought up the drones. Like, immediately we could be doing things.

Hey? QDM. Oh, what am I doing? Oh, man, isn't that bad. Hey, he said early. He said early, you can call him here. He lost into this shit. Anyways, continue.

you. You'd said earlier, quick, that, you know, like the drones, right? That'd be one. You know, you obviously chase with the electric motor and everything you're doing there. I don't know, Tyler. You probably have something that you're sitting there staring at from the farming background going like, man, if we could just start to do a couple of these things, man, we could really be off and running. Or is it not as bad as what I think?

So I'll go first, if you guys don't mind, but like to a certain extent right now, regulation isn't a huge thing in agriculture. I mean, there's been a few things come down on the beef side of things with BSE, and it was more, you know, it was more regulatory things like origin of beef and a few other things. But in all reality, there's not a lot of huge regulation things that you face per se with what happens in agriculture aside from, you know, different patents. and a few other things on some seed companies of what they run. But when you see government doing some of the things that they're doing,

when they start testing the waters of, you know, fertilizer use and a couple of these other things and trying to define what regenerative and sustainable and a lot of different things are going to mean, you know, none of it's come into, come into force yet, but when you have a government that is putting out, you know, different, what do you call them, where you respond and you have a chance over the course of years to respond to what you think how this is going to be and maybe what they might be able to write the regulation as some of the crazy shit that comes out of out of the government at this point

in time which is a big reason why I did the fertilizer video that I did a couple years ago that really was a big banger just because none of its law yet and none of its regulation yet but when you have a government that's starting to think okay well how can we regulate this and starts to put it out for people to comment on I think that's something we really need to be out in front on in a lot of different things of how things work in agriculture, not just in agriculture, but I mean, as a whole in Canada, if he hears something that's completely whack job that's coming at you, and they're like, oh, we just want to hear your opinion on it. Well, the reason they want to hear your opinion on it is because they're seriously considering doing it, you know, and that's

a, that's a danger as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, so speaking with that, you did your video on nitrogen a couple of years ago, or fertilizer in general, of course, I did something as well. I didn't do quite as well as yours. But when all that stuff happened over in Holland, people were asking, what's the farmer's big problem? What's the big deal? And what's happening over there, the regulations that they face in egg culture over there is mind blowing. But at the same time, it's something that we probably will inevitably face here as the government learns of the things that they want to try to control. And it's like things that they do over there. And part of the reason there's been a lot of protests lately is that another full spectrum of restrictions they want to put on.

on there. Dates that you have to have crops out of the ground by. They really want to control when you can plant it and when it can be pulled out of the ground for carbon emission reasons. And in classical government form, of course, with the dairy farms over there, they put regulations and you had to have a certain type of flooring in your barn for emissions reasons so that, you know, the smell of the poop didn't come out, whatever. But in classical government form, the regulations were fairly vague and the timelines

are fairly vague. And so you'd update to the floors you're supposed to update to you. And by the time you did, the regulations have changed and you're no longer compliant again. And you have to make a big investment and you get yourself all stuck again. But what Canadian farmers really should be doing is looking over to Europe and seeing how they farm over there. They literally can't do anything without an agronomist signing off. You want to go spray? You got to have an agronomist sign off in that decision.

You want to put fertilizer down? Agronomist got to sign off on that. And it's nothing like we face here. We have nothing here really in those kind of restrictions in agriculture. We're pretty much free to do what we want within. some kind of reason like quick you mentioned companies having control over genetics and seed like canola and corn soybeans that kind of thing where you can't use the seed but generally speaking you can kind of just about do whatever the heck it is that you want to do but eventually you know we've we've seen

it the government coming in with fertilizer this putting their feelers out seeing how they can start to get a bit of a handle on the industry and with the way government is they have good intentions they think they're trying to do something positive and just because of disconnected bureaucracy and goes far down the you're in the conspiracy rabbit holes you want, it doesn't actually impact positively. It ends up impacting negatively because that's just the way it works out. But we North American farmers need to be looking at Europe to see what they're dealing with and how much they're dealing with because eventually it's probably going to make its way over here. What you said, I think more people need to say to it was a good point when you said that I think most of the time it's it's of a best intention of a government just because they don't know any better. And I don't think you're wrong in saying that.

but it doesn't change the fact that if this comes across that hey here's the direction we're moving in i mean i don't want somebody like marie clode be beau who was previously before once mcculley or minister of ag in canada here that has absolutely no experience whatsoever in agriculture being even even if they're not coming up with the policy or what they want to do being the spokesperson and being like yeah this seems like a great idea and you're like i'm sorry what the fuck did you just say to me you know yeah but you're right i like i don't i don't think A lot of the time that there's ill intention. It's just people thinking that they're doing good that have no grasp whatsoever on what it is that we do, right?

Yeah, they're disconnected from the industry. They've got a university education and agriculture maybe, but they've never actually stepped foot in the field to see what it's actually like. Or to understand the implications of what they're trying to put in because they're doing it from a city. 100%. And I think Chase is actually a living example of that, you know, where there's a whole bunch of people that are like, let's electrify. Let's electrify. Let's do this. Let's do this.

And look at him. like kick an ass at it and being told, yeah, no. You know? Yeah, but also Chase is in amongst a group of vultures that have seen an opportunity in a rising industry to jump in and get a hold of the government money and get a hold on the industry so that they can make a whole pile of money.

They might not actually make a positive change or even come out with a viable product, but they're going to get their claws in there to make their money and get away. And if we see more regulations come into the agriculture industry, just like we see grain brokers come, coming in and lots of different fertilizer dealers. We see people coming in that see that they can take advantage of being a medium in

industry without actually getting their hands dirty in it and finding a way to make money off of it. And so if we see government regulations come down about, let's say they have fertilizer restrictions get put in place, there'll be consulting firms that are in on the take on the back end that will come in and do the assessments. It's kind of inevitable. Yeah. Chase, how many people do you come across in your industry when you're dealing with

the like regulatory things that are actually there to make a difference on the environment and be more efficient? I mean, there are definitely some regulations that are for the environment and there's certain things that objectively I would agree with. Yeah, don't dump oil into the river. Probably makes sense. You know what? I don't want to do that either.

Yeah. You don't want to look like India here with the Ganges. There's probably some regulations that make sense. The problem I thought. find is the absurd bureaucracy to go around when there's something that's just a little bit of common sense and you talk to somebody in the government and the people at the field office that I talk to at the more local level, the more junior level you would say, say yes, that absolutely makes sense. No, I see what you're doing. Okay, I see how you're caught in a circle loop.

But there's nothing we can do until we submit mountains and mountains of paperwork because our government ties the hands of our government. That's the biggest pain. and the ass is that they make so many rules to cover, they want it to all be centrally controlled at the very talk level and they want to make a rule for every single in this circumstance and anytime anything comes outside of that, it becomes a nightmare. And I've said this before is I was in the military. And one of the things you find in Canada, the U.S. is that you tend to be more squad-based operation, like squad-based. You're in, NCOs, your non-commission officers have been empowered in the Canadian and U.S. military

to make decisions on the fly at that small level. As the situation changes, so your sergeants, your warrant officers, your master corporals, they can make decisions to what to do based on changing circumstances of the time. It's what makes us incredibly effective as a fighting force, as a Canadian Army fighting force throughout history, is because we've kept that doctrine and we've let people at the June. your levels in the government organization of the military, make decisions. The Russian military, if you look back through its history, has always been top heavy. It's central head generals and then almost nothing under general and colonel.

And they do even what they call like pus logistics. They tell you exactly how far you're going to do, how much ammunition you're going to use. They don't let anybody at the field level make decisions. And they waste millions of lives and operations that are at. disaster in the Russian military compared to the way we do things. But somehow, when we come to government, we have a totally different approach from the military in that we don't let our junior field level make decisions. I know so many talented people, safer highways. They do amazing job at monitoring the highways. They're out there. They see the amount of snow falling. They see the change and grow

conditions. They know they're going to get into a freeze. But don't worry, though. The rulebook says, I can't lay down salt or scrape until I have this exact condition. And the guy's been 20 years on that highway. He knows exactly what's coming, but the rulebook won't let them make decisions in the field. And you see the same thing in like farming like you're talking about. There should be somebody at the local level that has the authority that we give to our non-commissioned officers in the military, the ability to take responsibility to say, yes, I'm overriding this because this makes sense to me on a common sense way. We need to let our junior level of government make decisions on common sense approaches and not tie their hands.

I think that that would be the best solution to regulations. It's not that regulations are bad. It's that when we find anything slightly out of the ordinary, we can't do anything. Absolutely. Sean, if there's ever anything I've ever seen that needs to be in your shorts that would bring people to an episode is exactly what Chase just said. Because they just knocked it out of the fucking part. like that was the most well said thing i've got goosebumps listening to you man like i i should know better but i don't but i mean for a shout out to everybody

out there that listens that serves or has served can you like just tell us where he served and when i'm always interested in this shit man i got a lot of respect for uh for people that's i think you asked a question that was james jase where did you serve uh just the reserves nothing impressive no shit no it's great if you did man that's awesome Where'd you try? So, like, that is not a, like, great, great outfit. But, like, the Canadian Rangers, Arctic Rangers and that aren't always the elite fighting force of the world. Still awesome, though, man.

Jeez, that was, that was well said. Very well said. You know, the lovely thing about a blue-collar roundtable, I'm sitting here, and I'm like, me and, me and Vance Crow were talking. I'm not sure if everybody knows who Vance Crow is. I know QDM does. But anyways, me and Vance are talking about it. I'm like, sometimes my plans come out just perfect, you know? I'm like, this has been very interesting so far.

I've thrown out two questions, and I've got rants from everybody. I'm like, this is fantastic. I, you know, one of the things that Chase did for me, and I blame our current government because everything they touch, I hate, pretty much, right? Like, they say something, and at this point, it could actually be good, and I don't think they can actually do any good at this point, but I'm saying in theory, if they could actually do something good, I'd probably hate it anyways. Screw you guys.

I'm just done with the lot of you. But when it comes to renewables, hybrids, I don't know, clean technology. I don't even know the right proper terminology anymore, boys. It all feels like foul language coming out of my mouth. Alternative energy? I'm curious. From the farming side, QDM, Tyler, you know, like I know Edison's story because as Chase has been on on the podcast and talked about it.

And it kind of went, huh, well, isn't that? Isn't that something? And it's funny, Chase, I should point out, like, lots of my friends around here are on your wait list for some of your tech. And I'm like, do I live under a rock? Probably. Don't, don't answer that question. When it comes to farming and renewable energy or hybrid or on and on and on, do you use wind, solar, Tyler, QDM? Is there any thoughts on that at all?

Were you against it? Are you for it? Is there application? Is there things happening right now that the general public doesn't know about? Or maybe it's been longstanding tech? I don't know. You want to go to Tyler? I'm going to go.

You go ahead. All right. So, yeah, there's a few guys in our neck of the woods. Actually, one guy runs a seed cleaning plant. And it's another three band storage yards that he's upgraded solar. Did it pre-2019 before they changed metering here in Saskatch. with our Crown Corporation sass power and just a couple of guys local that have got their yards on solar. So what I'll say is you go into solar and a few of these things knowing that you're not going to get sunlight at night.

You know what I mean? And that's fine. I mean, you go into it knowing that, right? You don't buy a snowmobile being like, yeah, I'm going to ride this thing down the pavement in the middle of the summertime or whatever. You know this going into it, right? And we experience some of the most intense sunlight in our neck of the woods in Saskatchewan, southern Alberta and southern Saskatchewan that actually exists in the world. And technically, it's quote-unquote free energy once you've got everything set up that you need your solar right to make it happen. What we do about in Saskatchewan is SaaS power is terrible at metering, net metering, if that's what you want to call it. they used to be really good at it where they would trade you a kilowatt for a kilowatt

kind of thing and now they don't do it anymore or sorry a kilowatt hour for a kilowatt hour they don't do it anymore and it costs you money even when you're trying to dump back in I mean they're kind of making back off of you and then you still pay for your electricity depending on how much electricity you use and I think they can do a lot better at that but my major issue with solar is that we have everything that we need here in Canada to be able to solar panels from start to finish to make them a product to Canada. And we don't do it. And a lot of what happens in Canada is we have Chinese companies that are invested and

or own a lot of the places where we mine and ship a lot of these products over to China where they're processed, they're processed into silicon wafers and then they're shipped back to us. And then we put a solar panel together and we call it made in Canada because 52% of the costs associated with making the panel occurred in Canada. We're like, hey, isn't this great? It's made in Canada when really. We're throwing 50% of the profit of what we could be doing in Canada out of the door because we don't want to invest in that and make it happen in Canada. Because if we did it in Canada, it would cost a fortune because we have things called labor laws and employee benefits and a lot of different things that we do really well here that we see in our oil and gas industry here in Canada.

And I think what we're really blowing out our ass right now is letting a lot of this stuff going offshore. Because when everybody talks about energy transition, I like to look at it as an energy alternative, you know, because no matter how many solar panels you have up at some point in time, we're going to need to be able to have something to provide for the times when we don't have sun or we don't have wind. And I think burning less oil and gas, less natural gas is a good thing. But as long as our energy transition involves in us maintaining our energy security in Canada. and that's what we're giving away when we do a lot of this stuff when we ship it offshore. I think we have the ability and the capability to do it in Canada and we refuse to because

we don't want to pick up the dirty side of mining and processing it. And I think we need to be better at it. And that's what I'll say about it. I think the mining one is the solar panel one is a very piss off personal thing for Edison Motors because of how. So we had a deal to build a solar powered reef, a bunch of solar-powered reifers, and we were going to license this technology. We had already done a bunch of solar and we did the math, and we could run the

reefer 100% off solar. It made enough in the daytime that it would actually run a reaper 100% off solar? Yeah, it has enough power in the day. That's nothing awesome. Run the full reaper off solar, which is like 20% of the fuel for a refrigerated trailer company. And we had a licensing deal, and they were going to license the technology, build it. We ordered all in these special flexible solar panels. You know how much the solar panel here?

We have a 200% solar panel tariff in Canada. So on one hand, like, and, like, we, I went down into the weeds looking at this. But on one hand, we don't actually really have any Canadian solar manufacturing. It's exactly what you say. The Canadian solar is owned by a Chinese national. And they're, like, filing thing with the, they filed with the Securities Commission. It's all. On 100%.

Canadian solar. It's all owned by a Chinese person. All their manufacturing is in China. They just put the edges of the solar panel on and be like, oh, we made it in Canada now. Guess what? There needs to be a 200% tariff so that, like, you can't, I could go to China. And this is the problem with this solar power trailers, that it was going to be like $10,000 for the solar. That would make it.

It was going to save like $20,000 a year, $15,000 a year in fuel. Okay, the economics really makes sense. It's like a year and a half payback. then by the time I got to pay $40,000, it was $35,000 in tariff for the solar panels. The economics didn't make sense. It was a five-year payback. So we're all going to keep running diesel. So they're going around saying that we need to have a carbon tax so that we could reduce our diesel consumption and improve the environment.

Keep in mind, reapers, because they're small enough, don't have a tier four emissions because they fall under the size of requirements. So they're the dirtiest diesels. We could replace them with solar. but their government has a 200% solar so that we can make sure that a Chinese-owned company is making excess amount of money and it's putting solar installers out of work. Like people could, and this is where I get back to, it's not about the environment. It's about control because when you own your own solar panels and you own a tiny little generator, if you own a tiny little diesel generator, a tiny amount of solar, a little bit of battery storage,

you can have your own power. You're not tied to the government grid network. Then who makes money off you and who controls you? Yep. Like, we could do so much. But that was actual jobs with actual people lined up. And there are thousands upon thousands of reapers. We were looking at multi-million dollar deal out of this.

It was going to be awesome. And then because of government tariff, no, sorry, we can't have those people. We can't have those jobs. We can't install the things on the trailer. Why? Oh, we need to say. support Canadian jobs. Oh, by the way, there's actually not really any Canadian jobs that's actually made in China. And don't forget the transport of getting all the stuff out of our

minds to China and then back again on the boat. We don't count that in the carbon footprint, you know, environmental costs. That's not included. Oh, I had a big fight with the green party about that one. That's not included in their math on all the transport and what they was on natural gas. And I did a video on natural gas. And this is actually one of the reasons I do respect the leader of the BT Green Party because she phoned me after it But she did a video and like we're not going to meet our climate change goals if we allow LNG Canada to go ahead we'll export this natural gas over and that's going to increase our car footprint by two gigatons. I forget what the example was exactly But it was like two gigatons

of CO2 emissions and that won't let us meet our climate goals but then I replied back with the video and I said well look at it this way and I did the math and it was almost a 10 times to 20 times reduction because that natural gas was going to shut down coal power plants coal was 10 times more emission intense than the natural gas was so it was a 10 times benefit and what happens coal produces sulfuric dioxide which travels to the jet stream which travels across the pacific where it hits the mountain in british columbia and it lands as acid rain into our water system in Canada. So improving LNG would actually be a net global reduction by like 10 times.

And I responded back to her. And yeah, that was the thing. It's like, why are, like, we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of coal trains per day shipping coal to China. But now the issue is shipping natural gas to China? Like what? That's way better than shipping the coal. Shut down the coal. If you're going to do anything, shut down the coal, pump full throttle on the natural gas.

The more cool we can shut down, the below the rid of it. Like, why are you complaining about this one? Honestly, on a side note, though, I do really respect her a lot. I got to say, she actually phoned me on the phone. We talked for like an hour and a half about this. She listened to my points. I think she generally listened. I listened to some of hers, and I didn't think I would ever do it.

And this is the second time of this podcast. I might now agree with the green party, so that's the thought. But her point that she was opposing was, and I didn't even know it, And I looked up myself, that LNG pipeline that they're proposing is owned 40% by the Chinese state oil and gas and energy company, which means the Chinese government owned 40, 50% of the project. And a Canadian taxpayer was subsidizing something like $600 billion or $400 billion in subsidies and not taking royalties of which 40% is going to the Chinese government. So the Canadian taxpayer, like that, I agree with that. Why the fuck are we doing that?

China wants this natural gas. This is a Canadian resource. It could be a huge economic boom for our country. I don't think the law is out yet. I'm still legally allowed to say that, right? It's a huge economic boom for our country. And it's going to help China and it's going to meet China's energy goals. We could be making a lot of money.

But why the fuck are we paying China to take our natural gas? Canadian taxpayers paying. China to take our natural gas from us is an insane we should be generating money from that like i actually agreed with uh sonya on that one that's good to hear man and chase like honestly even if charlie gets his private members bills passed all come hang out an orange jumpsuit with you and we'll just protect each other from getting stabbed to the shiv in the joint you know as insane insane it is that we joke about that now you know it's fine like welcome to canada 24, folks.

What's the Canadian translation of Gulag again? Yeah. But, you know, I get a, I get a lot of people that, that call me like, you know, anti-China. You're anti-China. I'm not anti-China. I'm pro-Canadian. That's all I am.

I'm just pro-Canadian. There are some great and innovative companies and some hardworking people that exist under the communist boot of China. And there's a lot of things that happen there that impressed me. I'm not anti-China. I'm just pro-Canadian. That's all there is to it. You know, we have so many good things here and so many good people here. Sean, you'll get tired of me here in this, but I beat the drum all the time. We have the ability. We have the people. We have the

innovation. We have the technology and we have the work ethic here. And believe it or not, we have the landmass and the resources to provide the world with absolutely everything they need. And we just refuse to do it. We just do. And it's sad. I'm going to jump in here before we get way too far away from farming and solar that we have to say is irrelevant. Grick, you mentioned control thing about control quite a bit and that a lot of this green stuff is actually about controlling people. Where I've gone with solar, because you guys have both gone a different way with your research and digging, I happen to be friends with the guy who has a lot of landowners right stuff. There's a couple solar projects going in around me.

And so I've looked into the landowner's rights and how companies acquire the land to put these projects up because I don't fully agree with how this projects were being done. But so how they get the land and where they get a lot of the funding forward, especially with the windmills, is they'd put like, you know, in the oil field, they have a lease agreement for the little bit of the surface area that you have or that they're going to use. But with the windmills, what happened is they put a blanket easement on the whole piece of property without telling the landowner. And so now your property has an industrial title on it.

And they take that industrial title with the development rights. They go to a big lender somewhere, goes far up the chain you want that one to find out where the lender might be, and say, look, we have access to this land with industrial development rights for, you know, 20, 30 years, whatever. We want a big loan to put up this stupid windmill, and they get the money for it. And what the farmer doesn't know or the landowner in general usually doesn't know, they don't know about this blanket easement, but they don't know then that if they have, if they're using that land for collateral, like some of us farmers use it for our crop inputs loans or FCC, whatever, It's not suitable for that anymore.

You've taken that away. And when it comes to reclaiming these lands after the project is done, you're going to be really, really hard-pressed to any kind of a straight answer for an actual plan. They'll tell you that if you're going to follow regulations and do everything that they're supposed to, but the renewable energy industry is actually very, very unregulated as was the oil industry when it first started and took a while to get regulations in place to make sure things were taking care of. But I don't know what things are like in your part of the world quick, but there's a lot of orphan wells in my part of the world that oil companies just stood up and walked away from.

And the theory is, or one of the theories is with some of these big renewable projects, is that these companies, when the projects have come to their fruition, if the company construction seems just right, the company goes bankrupt, and the landowner ends up on the hook for cleanup. And as part of the loan agreement, the land is now the collateral. And if there's money needed to clean it up, farmer might actually, the landowner might lose their land because the cost. to clean it up is more than the land itself is worth and and you can you can call

this a conspiracy whatever but there seems to be a common theme with a lot of these renewable projects that there's things in the contract that are extremely disfavorable to the landowners and if you can think 20 30 years from now where these are going to end up we may actually see a lot of land being taken away from people who owned it outright currently because of what's been put in some of these agreements so in the name of green energy and and don't trying to look like we're trying to save the planet you go down the conspiracy line and it may actually be a front for a fair bit of land grabbing and a bit more

control over people to make them energy dependent and at the same time take the land away from because if we have the land we don't have land no dirt you know we're not we're not producing or doing anything right yeah yeah absolutely um you know we don't have a lot of that in our neck of the woods I mean there was never really big oil and gas play in this neck of the woods because it's all alkaline rock around here uh but yeah absolutely I mean I've talked to a lot of people that have a Welles and a lot of things that were terminated properly on their property. And it's been an issue and it's an ongoing issue, you know. And like to be honest, it's the one part of where when we talk about, you know, methane emissions from abandoned oil and gas wells.

I mean, I really think that that's that's somewhere where we've left things hanging where we can do a lot better. And it should have been done a lot better rate when you sign the paperwork, whether it be with the Alberta Energy Utilities Board or whoever it is. when you start drilling a well and everything. I mean, okay, well, yeah, it's going to be this much per day, per the time that you're producing for your well, and there's going to be a kitty of this much money, and as long as you clean up your well, then you can have this money back at the end of it.

And if you don't, then we keep it and we clean it up for you kind of thing. I mean, you know, and there was a lot of controversy on Daniel Smith calling the moratorium on renewable energies, and everybody started losing their mind and everything right away. But, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, okay, some of it's, yeah, some of it's politics. Absolutely. we can't we can't deny that but at the same time be like okay we went down this road with oil and gas

already and we blew it so like can we just throw the brakes on right now and let's have a good luck at what we're doing with renewables or alternative energy and let's make sure we don't make the same mistake like is that all terrible because all of a sudden we just all started getting steamrolled with renewable or alternative energies right away and everyone's just like oh this is the way to go and it's green and everything's fine well is it or are we headed down the same path of what we fucking did, right? Exactly. And that's like Alberta is putting in a whole pile more of these projects than you guys are because we got a lot more favorable regulation for it. And like I can see if I go stand upstairs right now, I think I can see 40 or 50 little red blinking lights on the

horizon. They drive me batty. And now there's a few solar projects nearby going in. And then there's a lot of proposed projects. Like I mean, you know, many, many townships or MDs, you could call them, whatever RMs is what you call them quick, full of solar panels. that will be going up here in near future. And like with oil and gas stuff, they've got relatively small leases. So we got, you know, dust. Our land here is really light and sandy, much lighter than your, your rocks as you claim. Hey, at least it rains there.

And so, no, there's no even, no weeds even hold it down. It blows away. But we're looking at quarter sections full of solar panels. And they, you ask them how you can establish ground cover over there so it doesn't blow away. And they go, well, we're going to follow the regulations. I'm like, I can hardly get anything to grow here in a good year. What are you going to get to grow underneath the? solar panel except for kosha like it's they're disconnected from that and so i i fear just like you said

we screwed this up with oil and gas things the regulations are positive they can actually have a positive impact to prevent damage and negative impacts and that is not being done with some of these projects especially with the cleanup like what are you going to do with the wind tower the the the effort that was put into constructing the thing dragging it over here standing it up what are you going to do to pull it down no one's going to want to spend the money to actually pull the concrete and rebar and stuff out properly. No one's going to want to spend that money. Someone's going to find a way to walk away from it.

And I'm not opposed to renewables or alternatives, whatever you want to call them. We use solar to water our cows for electric fences. I want to get solar on the roof on my house and the shop and stuff in the worst way because unlike Saskatchewan, our grid infrastructure out here is really bad. And we get regular outages. Well, you think ours is good? Is there some kind of, have you been reading storybooks by SaaS power that they have the best

power grid ever. It's garbage. We do a fair bit of business. We go to church and stuff in Kinderslie, and they don't talk about three-day power outages on a semi-regular basis. Like, if we get a bit of a storm around here, we're guaranteed to be losing power for a little while. And so I'm not saying you guys, maybe know all this fast-tale Gestapo will meet them outside of church and haul them off in cuffs. Yeah. But it's not all, I know it's not all unicorns and rainbows over there in Saskatchewan, but like our great infrastructure is poor. It's to the limit. We're my parents, I think, but my parents have the last stop on the line here. I think I've got the fifth last service runs my house. And it's a long way to the transformer.

And so like if something goes wrong, we're in the end of a long chain and we're a long ways from where they service from. It takes forever to fix. And so we actually, I want to get more energy independent. Maybe not so much batteries, but like we've got a generator set up because we have to. You got no power at minus 40. You got kids, you know, whatever. You've got to figure it out yourself. And so if we can decentralize our energy industry, have more consumers responsible for producing their own, I think if everybody had to produce

their own power, just like their own water, they'd use a heck of a lot less of it. But that might be a totally... Yeah, absolutely. What's it like in your neck of the woods, Chase? You guys got a lot of solar and wind out there? Or like, what are you guys primarily running off? Probably hydro. Because we got the mountains.

Those damn tall, snowy bastards you've got, yeah. That helps a lot. No, there is a lot of solar. I honestly, the way I look at solar is that it's akin to the way it used to be for heating your home, is that you used to be able to go out, chop down some trees, get your own firewood, make your own power. You'd have a wood stove, wood heat. Now they don't let you do it.

And the closest thing I could think of to providing your own heat and your own power is solar, batteries, and electric. You can put power panels on your roof. You own them. That's it. You buy them. that they last 30, 40 years. And then you own that for the life of your house. That is your power.

You put on the roof. You collected from the sun. Nobody can take that away from you. No one can ask for a repayment on that. You buy it outright. Like the same way that you used to go out and get your own wood. It's solar. And a little generator is a way to provide for yourself when you're not relying on the government.

That's the way I look at it. Yeah. Hell yeah. Absolutely. you know i don't care at the gritty house you know what i don't even run my shop anymore it was bc hydro wanted so much fucking money it was like thirty five thousand dollars to do an interconnection of my shop for edison well don't get me started on that fuck i hear yes absolutely

and then every month i gotta pay us like not even for the power i use even if i mitigate my power i got to pay a transmission fee a distribution fee a filing fee a go fuck yourself fee and then a carbon tax and then and then a carbon tax on top of it where like and I got paid $35,000 to have the privilege of you bending me over every month that we looked at it and I'm like okay for $20,000 I can put enough solar on my roof and a battery that we can run all the power so I'll save $15,000 just from not paying the interconnection and then I don't have a monthly payment anymore like it would be nothing yes there's times where in the winter I got to fire up my generator for an hour a day.

My generator burns all of, I don't know, I can get five days out of 20 liters, so $5 a day, which means that at the end of the month and in the wintertime, I probably spent 100 bucks in the winter on my electricity usage with the batteries. Like, okay, well, like that, that's nothing.

I'm coming out way farther ahead. Sean Newman, I got a bone to pick with you. I'm tired of you putting me on podcasts with people that I turn into fan boys over, okay? Stop this shit. Okay. we at least do podcasts with a few females like god damn it man like come on help me out of that's here well maybe he identifies as a woman tonight hey quick i don't know i don't think that's

happening on this show i only identify as a great western beer and it's only when the mounties pull me over after i've had a dozen of one of one of the questions that got thrown at me for you guys was you know how do you how do you uh like how do you rebrand blue collar jobs to make them not look, I don't know, they use the word second rate or whatever. And I laugh. I'm like, listening to you three and I'm like, well, here it is. You know, it's the green party. We all run. Make blue collar cool again and common sense prevails and away you go. And it's under the green party banner. And wouldn't that just be something? I think it's a heck of an idea. But I mean, how do you make blue collar cool again? My answer immediately is I just look at you three

And I'm like, oh, here it is. Here it sits for everybody to listen to. And hopefully, you know, as these blue collar roundtables continue, that's exactly what it's doing. It's giving a voice to the blue collar folk to voice their concerns. And what I always find with the blue collar is, man, you guys are sharp. Like, I think you're in tune with what's going on. But what do you guys think?

How do you make blue collar, you know, attractable to the average job season? speaker. I think I'm very attractive. My wife thinks I'm attractive. The beard, the beard works. I'm not going to lie. You know, I like, I honestly, man, I think I think, I think,

I think the pandemic changed a lot of things about how people look at, so quote unquote, blue collar work, because I'm not quite sure what that means. But, you know, I think a lot of people started looking at where their food and energy came from and I think that's uh I think somehow we need to be able to try and keep people focused on on where things come from you know we walk into our houses and we flip on a light switch when we walk in and the power just comes on and we and we walk into our house and it's and it's warm it's 25

below outside and it's 21 above inside and we just come in and we're like yeah well of course i'm inside well have you ever stopped to consider where that came from you know a lot of a lot of the building blocks of what we're allowed to stand on for life comes from if you want to call it quote unquote, you know, blue collar jobs, but it's just, it's hardworking jobs, you know. That being said, I mean, you know, our farm doesn't run without insurance and somebody being an insurance broker in an office and, you know, I don't get to go down to the grocery store and, you know, buy a couple of bags of oats or a loaf of bread or something or whatever it is that I'm getting there. I don't get that without somebody stalking it on the shelves.

I think what we need to do in society is just recognize the fact that we all kind of need each other. And it doesn't matter, you know, what our genre is or how we work or where we work. I mean, none of it all works without all of us working together. So I think we need to just tear down everything that exists in between it and just be like, hey, we're just a bunch of great Canadians that are working to help support each other. And none of it works without each other. I think that better that's perfect I think that we need to start with the education system because the education system is the one that's that is really saying that us blue-collar folk are you know the jobs are second rate but if you were to if you were to take kindergarten class or grade one class whatever and go and chuck him in chase his electric truck let them drive let them be right ridden around in it for a little bit or go for a trip hauling logs once or twice and they get to experience that or to go in a ride in a combine cab for kids who don't get to see that kind of thing or go experience what some that industry does. Go out on a drilling rig and see what that machine is capable of doing and how

much infrastructure is there. Go and see what the inside of a diesel engine looks like in a shop and watch a guy, you know, rebuild it and take some of that stuff apart, ride on a train. If people got to go and see these, especially as young kids, if they got to be taught the value of working with your hands and seeing what it takes to produce an item, like to see what it takes to haul it and to cut it down, haul it, mill it into something. Here's where a board comes from. And then we use this board, many of them to build this house. And here's the guy who takes this pipe sticking out of the ground, hooks up to this machine and it produces heat. Like for people to be able to see where those things actually come from. Because right now, my wife has actually

come to the realization that most people are really disconnected. They have no idea where natural gas comes from, where electricity comes from, where their food comes from. And like you said, quick. The pandemic changed a lot of people really quick when they when supply chains started breaking down. Well, where does that come from? And we've seen, you know, many, many channels pop up, farms showing what's going on, how they produce the food. That, that change is coming. A lot of those channels are gaining momentum. We're seeing a lot of city people wanting to get out of the city and move into the country and they're engaging with, you know, trying to make their own gardens and have their own little communities. The change is happening. People are doing it on their own. The pandemic definitely

started it but i think getting into the education system and and letting kids see and experience what blue collar jobs are and seeing firsthand where some of those things come from and like honestly i'm a farmer i get to drive really great big tonka trucks like it's great why living your child the dream every day hell yeah well i mean not living the dream every day i mean FCC still wants to pay and that sucks but you know i get to do things with my hands i get to make decisions and yet it isn't always really nice i mean more days probably worse you You got to shovel barley bins and fix things, whatever. But I saw that when I was younger.

I grew up on the floor of a tractor, probably just like you did quick. Or no, I'm riding in a truck like you probably did chase. You probably spent a lot of time in a truck long before you learned to drive it. And you probably decide a young age, this is something that I want to do. And because you spent time probably with your father quite likely or someone like that, you saw what that person did and you valued it and you understood what it took to produce that thing. And then because you had that one connection, you were able to make that connection for your food, your electricity, whatever.

So the education system is a big part of it. We don't let kids experience the blue collar stuff and therefore they don't, they don't value it. That's my opinion. Yeah, I would agree, but I would counter with that is that I think one of the greatest benefits of social media that we're going to find out about, and it's kind of, I think, a hidden benefit right now that I don't find a lot of other people mentioning is people have exposure to blue.

caller. People are seeing these things come up on their TikTok. They're seeing the YouTube. Now, our generation you've got to realize is I'm guessing you're around the same age as me, but we're one of the last generations that had no social media. Facebook was not even a thing when I was in high school.

I couldn't go in a high school and see that that guy driving a logging truck, that guy that's working in a trades is 20 years old, 22 years old and driving it in a brand new truck already owning his own house. 21 when the other kids aren't even out of university. So if it wasn't for my dad and my grandpa telling me that this is a good job

that you can support yourself on, I could have listened to my teacher and the teachers were the ones that they went to university. They didn't have that blue collar experience. So they're going off their things and they're just saying like, I don't know, that looks pretty dirty, that looks pretty scary. I don't know if that's a good job. You should probably stay in school so you can work in a thing. But now kids are actually exposed to these jobs. They're seeing that they're real trades. They're seeing the 21-year-old in the brand-new pickup truck because he's making good money, building a light for himself, and he's explaining to the kids at 13 years old, watching TikTok and flipping through their phone why that trade's good. I think that's one of those hidden

benefits that we're going to see the causation of famine. These kids are looking at it right now. We're 10 years old, 13, 14 years old. We're going to see in the next 5 to 10 years a huge revival, I think in blue collar just because of what these kids are exposed to right now, as you were saying, it's not going to be the teachers because they're not in that world. It's going to be social media showing what we're doing right here between all of us is really, really cool. Yeah, bang on, man. I mean, you know, the teachers aren't in that world.

They don't want to be a part of that world. They've got their world and that's what they want to be kind of thing, right? And I think you're right. You're going to go into where people can see that there's some gratuity in a lot. of the things that you can do in trades or in, you know, in agriculture or whatever. I mean, one of the bigger things I can't remember where it was, but I remember commenting on it being like, you know, I don't know what to tell my kid to go do. And I'm just like, you know, a trade's always a good thing to fall back on because no matter where technology goes, somebody that's got a

degree in gender diversity that's spent four years in university trying to figure out, if you can go to their house and make their turds flush away when they push the lever on the toilet, you'll always make more money than them. You know, that's just that's just the way it goes, right? But like on the other side of things, though, too, fellas, is like, you know, with the teacher strike that's going on in Saskatchewan right now is kind of got me focused in on it a little bit here now, too. You know, we all think that we're out here doing a really hard job and calvin cows and plant and crop and everything. But, you know, I've talked to a lot of teachers in the last little while, too, and we're out here being like, well, you just, you know, you teach for a couple hours a day and then you get two months of summer vacation and how tough can life be. But when you start listening to some stories about some educators that exist in our society right now, too, I mean, there's some educators that I don't agree with and how they treat our children and what they're trying to push on children.

But at the same time, you get educators that, uh, that have to deal with a kid freaking out and throwing a fucking desk and chairs at them and the students and trying to figure out how not to get a bunch of kids. kids hurt by one child that hasn't been properly disciplined or raised at home kind of thing. You know, yeah, there's there's things that all of us in this whole group chat here will do that's, that's tough. But there's things that people do also in jobs that we wouldn't think that are very tough as well. So I think we just got to recognize that there's a lot of tough things that go on in this world. And I hope that everybody can continue to do their part to make it go around, you know. All the jobs are hot.

too. And most work hard jobs. I've known that because, like, I've never done white collar work before, but objectively now, I'm at a computer doing white collar work now that I started Edison Motors, I will tell you 100% compared to sitting at a desk and driving logging truck, I will

take logging truck and logging every day of the week. It was fantastic. Working in the shop, awesome. Sitting all day at a computer doing white collar work makes me want to nipple on a Winchester. Very eloquently put. You know, one of the things, a couple things come to mind here as I listen to the three.

One is redefining what essential is instead of just blue collar, you know, like we all play an essential part in society going to two, I did it again, QDM's point at the start. He's going to come through the screen at me. That's too funny. The other thing is, you know, to Chase and Tyler going back and forth about, you know, kids and, you know, like maybe a resurgence in with them listening. When I listen to you three, I listen to three guys that don't feel like they're controlled. They get to speak their mind. They get to live their life. They look relatively, I don't know, happy, competent.

They speak with common sense. They say things that just make sense. And I go, yeah, I want, I want more of that, right? I don't want the DEI. I don't want to be told that red is black and black is red when that makes zero sense. I don't want to be told that there's 80 genders when we all know there's two. I don't want on and on the stupidity goes. And so when I listen to you guys, the other thing that's very attractive to the blue collar world,

you know which i think you know if i tie to qdms uh start with like you know there's a lot of things they're pretty essential is um you know it makes sense and that's attractive these days because there's a whole lot going on in society that makes zero freaking sense but i think when you talk about dey sean like the diversity equity inclusion uh like i i firmly believe from how i was raised and where I grew up. I didn't know DEI was a thing because apparently after I learned what DEI was, I realized,

well, that's just kind of the way it's always been. Because when you're out where we are working, I mean, you've got, you know, a limited population, and you've got limited help and limited everybody. It's just everybody helps and everybody pitches in. I used to wrestle calves at Brandings with my cousin, Chantelle, a girl who would be downworked, the ground crew with me.

And my mom would come and ride pasture with us. And, you know, Grandma Dorothy, we called her, would drive bail truck. And it just, it didn't matter who you were. You just contributed and you worked and you got the job done. As far as I'm concerned, it's never been about diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's just always been like, who's here and who's going to pitch in and let's all work together and get it done. I think this is a lot of stuff that's been dreamed up by a lot of people that just doesn't exist in the society that I grew up in anyways. I grew up respecting women the same as men.

I never thought women could never do a job that a man could do. I've watched women succeed better at jobs than we thought were men's jobs, quote-unquote kind of thing. So, I mean, maybe I was raised different, but I just don't understand the DEI thing because I've never experienced it. You just get the best person doing the job and you get the job done and then you all get together and have a meal at the end of the day and you do it all over again the next day. 100%. Pretty well how 90% of the people work. I think all the CIA stuff is you see it always happen from the government and they start pushing it when other shit is going on. Cost the living crisis, housing crisis, inflation crisis, job thing.

And they're like, suddenly they're like, what about school kids that want to change their nickname? I don't give a fuck about what a school kid changes their nickname and where the parents are like, yeah, let the kid do what they want. I don't care either way because a house costs a million. dollars, people can't afford rent, we've got an uncontrolled immigration problem, and suddenly a kid calling themselves to buy a different name at school is a political issue. It should be so fucking far down on the list. Like, let's solve grocery prices, let's solve the rent crisis, let's get some houses built. Who cares what Timmy wants to call himself Sally. Sally wants to call himself Timmy what this person identifies of. It doesn't fucking matter. The government puts that

out there for a bunch of bullshit to distract us from the fact that. that we can't afford groceries right now. Why else would they do that? Wasn't an issue before. Timmy wants to be a stapler. Well, fuck, let us know how that works out for him. See if you can shove staples up his ass and beat his nose into the bulletin board

and hang pictures. Let's worry about something else. For fuck's sake. Exactly. I don't hear. This person identifies as a cat and meow. Cool. That's awesome. Don't care. I have any of France. Edison Motors just sold 50 more units, you know?

I won't have to buy one for fuck's sake. Jesus. Oh, shit. Oh, I'm going to get in trouble for something I said in this pod. You know what? It doesn't matter what you say. You could wake up and you can say, I love kitties, and someone will have something figured out as a way that they're going to spin that against you

and call you a cat, a phob or something. I don't fucking know. Yeah. A deep crowd will come out. He said he likes kitties, so we must hate dogs. No. Obviously, yeah, congratulations. You're a dogaphobe.

Let's, let's end here, gents. You know, this has been a lot of fun. I got a final question, final question, okay? I thought this was interesting because I got three guys that, you know, I think, very smart, clever, looking at the world engaged. If you had, what do you wish you had the time slash money to go spend six months learning about? If there's something out there, you're like, man, I would love to learn more about what? What would you go with?

I knew I should have studied this question. Oh, the female mind works. You need a lot more than six months, I think. Here I thought I was asking this great, serious question and QDM a woman's mind. All right, woman's mind, fair enough. Have fun with that one. Come back to me in 70 years. I think.

Oh, go ahead, Jeremy, go ahead, sorry. No, you were before me. But first, you had a first. Okay. As a blue collar worker who's working, you know, a farming job, if I had more time to go and learn something, I would probably go learn another trade. I live in Alberta.

I live in the middle of nowhere. You know, the oceans, a long way is that way and a long ways that way. But I've always had a thing for things that float or things that don't float on purpose, submarines and chips. And I think that if I had the chance, I would actually want to go and work on one. Just because it's a machine, and I love machines, to be inside a machine, but you get to see a whole bunch of different industry, you get to see different weather, get to experience what it's like to not see land. I've never done that

except from an airplane. That's totally different. But I would want to go away from where I currently am into a different industry, different equipment. A lot of my same skills will be transferable. You know, ships have an engine. They've got electrical systems, you know, welding, whatever. It's all the same stuff, just way bigger and with saltwater everywhere. But I would want to go and learn something else that I can't learn here. I'd get out and go into a different industry of some kind just to be able to go see more of our vast great country and get into

an industry that I don't know anything about that's probably full of people who are very similar to me. That's good answer. That's good answer. Chase? Six months learning about the Roman Empire. You go with the Roman Empire. So I got women,

Roman Empire, and submarines. I'm taking a break. I'm going to Rome. I'm going to Rome. going into some history and I'm just learning about whatever I want to learn about because it's fun. Fuck it. Boys, any final thoughts before I let you out of here? I've enjoyed round two of the blue color roundtable. I wasn't sure how a virtual one would work, but it's actually been pretty decent.

Like, I don't know. I feel like this has been a nice compliment. You guys compliment each other quite well. Is there any final thoughts before I let you out of here? Yeah, I'm just, I'm humbled that we were your second choice. Thanks, Sean. Well, you know, quick, if you would just not be so bloody busy, and if Chase wouldn't live in a different province,

and well, I would probably say Tyler probably would have came down if both you were here. We would have done this in person the first time. We probably would have done it the first time. You're a second choice because you're all spread across the country. Well, the only time I got is weekends. and then, yeah, weekends, and then on weekends right now, I'm just trying to make the people laugh. So, yeah, this is the best I can do.

If people want to follow you, boys, where can they find you? Tyler. I'm on Facebook and on YouTube, but mostly on Facebook as the crackpot farmer. It's a funny name. There's a story with it. You can ask me about it there. But, yeah, I can be found on Facebook as the crackpot farmer. Q?

You can find me as Quick Dick McDick. There's also a funny story about that that my ex-girlfriend will tell you. So I'm on Twitter as QuickD Dick, I'm on Facebook as Quick Dick, My Dick, and on Instagram as QD McDick because somebody had Quick Dick McD MacD Taken apparently. So yeah. Chase. Find me at Edison Motors. Cool boys.

And you, TikTok, whatever. Are you on, Edison Motors on TikTok? Is that what you are? motors on TikTok, Chase Fiber on TikTok, and then just Edison Motors on YouTube. Cool. Well, boys, this has been a lot of fun. I appreciate you guys entertaining an idea that is quickly gaining a little bit of runway. I'm going to be honest. This has been a lot of fun. And I find the way, you know, now this being the second edition of it, the way that bringing some regular folk on to talk about some of the things, I just enjoy the way your guys' brains work,

tick, look at problems, and speak quite bluntly. It's rather enjoyable. I hope everybody else enjoyed it as well. Either way, thanks for doing this, fellas. And, well, we'll do it again here at some point, I'm sure. Hell yeah. In person. Over beers next time.

In person, definitely. 100%. Thanks, this has been absolutely fantastic. Thanks for having me on. That was a blast. Thank you.