Shaun Newman Podcast - #593 - Ian Jones

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Ian Jones. So, sir, thanks for hopping on. Well, thanks for having me. As I was just telling you, you know, the gambit on this side is when you haven't been on the show before, you got to tell us a little bit about yourself. And I'm walking into, you know, shout out to Peter for throwing you out and giving me the connection. Tell us a little bit about yourself, Ian, so we can get to know you.

Well, the reason I'm here, I guess, is basically I am the co-host of the Canadian Pepper podcast, amongst many other people. Also do part-time podcasting on the Canadian Patriot podcast, but I think for mostly talking about preparedness today. And so, yeah, I actually was talking to Peter ahead of time, and he mentioned that you were looking for somebody to talk to about this, and so here I am. Well, what's your background, Ian? What gives you any right to tell me what to do with prepping or anything in that matter?

Well, I think anybody that claims to be an expert at this point is probably full of themselves. So I'll just say, I've been doing it a while, so I may give you a good idea of what not to do. So that would probably help you. Whereabouts in Canada are you? Well, I was raised in Western Alberta, so I was raised in Western Alberta. kind of the mirror image of yourself there. I'm actually just west of Emmetons where I was originally raised. So, you know, the Spruce Grove, Great and Valley area.

For grade 12, I ended up moving out to Colonna. So I did high school flight training. We'll get into that later. And yeah, once I finished up in Colonna, I ended up living throughout Western Canada. You know, Northwest Territories, northern Saskatchewan. Like you name the place I probably lived there west of Winnipeg. So there's been a lot of background as far as I've seen most of Canada, what hazards may lay out there.

What, you know, going from west of Emmington to Colonna, that must have been a nice change. What had you bouncing around so much? Like, you mentioned Northwest Territories. What took, like, why all over the place? Well, actually, it's funny. So I did account the other day because we were talking about fitting stuff down to move on the podcast the other day. And this is actually House 28 for me. House 28?

Yeah, so we did a count. So my dad was actually a Mountie. So typical Canadian story. My dad, the Mountie, met my mom, the immigrant on an Indian reservation back in the 60s. So, of course, with the Mountie lifestyle, you're moving every couple of years. So that was the first problem. Then he became self-employed. We had it moving around.

But every time he went somewhere, he would have a side business, usually a hobby farm or, you know, raising some animals or just trying to do some stuff like that. I kind of got my foot in the door for kind of the homesteading aspect. Later on, we moved to Colonna for them to start a different business, but then I had to kind of settle down to do my stuff. So I got into flight training because I wanted to be a pilot. And so I started being a commercial pilot throughout Western Canada. And, of course, when you're a pilot, you go where the work is. You don't want to, you don't necessarily get to stay at home. It's kind of like being a rig worker.

You just kind of go wherever the work is. So my first job entailed me going up to Northwest Territories, Norman Wells, actually. And so I was living about 90 miles north of there and right on the Arctic Circle on the Mackenzie River. So as you can imagine, it's a pretty harsh living climate. And there's a lot of hazards, say, if you were to go down in your small plane and be stuck overnight, while then you have a flurry of things to worry about. Same thing with Northern Saskatchewan out of a place called Walston Lake.

Forgive me. I'm like, I'm thinking about this. And all I can think of is if you're going to learn where to drive, the best place to learn where to drive is probably out in the back country on a farm because you get gravel roads, which aren't the easiest thing. In Saskatchewan,

you know, you get crappy roads because none of them are taken care of. You get winter, you get, you know, you get mud, you get everything. So by the time you come out of that, you're an expert driver.

Like you're just like minus like giant cities. Once you get in there, you're like, oh, well, I haven't driven things way worse than this. When you're flying in and out of a small town in northern, well, in northwest territories, am I right to assume that you're like flying in probably some of the worst conditions or is it the best conditions up there? Well, a little bit of both because it's actually a desert climate up there.

You wouldn't think so with all the lakes and everything else, but they don't get a whole lot of precipitation. It just kind of blows it. in and out. So there's a lot of clear skies, but there's also a lot of extreme cold. I think with Alberta being Alberta, you know, we got our current learner's license at 14. So yeah, you start driving a little bit early. But yeah, I mean, I don't buy winter tires because I just drive like a human being during winter. Same thing with my flying. Like I just, you know, try and be a little conservative at times. And yeah, before you know it, even in the harshest

conditions, whether you're flying off gravel, snow, or ice or whatever, you just drive with the conditions. Now, I don't know. I find flying fascinating. Dad had his pilot's license. And by the time I was old enough to remember, I suppose, he was no longer flying. And so, like, you know, I look at it with utmost fascination. But I assume there's some places across Canada that are like, you know, you better have your, you know, your, your, your, your goggles on that day, because this is going to be, you know, buckle up moment, a little intense. Well, I think more than once or twice it might have scared myself a little bit on the job when I was learning the basics. I think the most important part of the flying career

how this ties into preparedness is that it always trains me to worry about the what-ifs. You know, what happens if the wings ice up or what happens if the engine fails or whatever. And so you start getting that mindset of like, you know, you should start preparing for contingencies so that something does come up, you know, I'm ready for it. So whether it be providing your own survival gear in the back of the airplane because the boss is too cheap or, you know, whatever, which trust me, happened back in the 90s for sure. Yeah, so you guys start worrying about the contingencies that may come up.

well is that how then you get into preparedness is like you know or was this always like a since a child just a fascination with with you know being prepared for what could happen well i think being raised in the 80s when you're fed a steady diet of like red dawn and the day after with john let's go and all these other fancy movies you know it's gonna it's i guess the the programming was early on you know the you know not so much of paranoia per se but like oh my god there's a lot of hazards out there in the world and so between that and the flight training I think you start to get a little bit busy with, you know, kind of covering your bases more than anything else. So it became a lifestyle for me, just kind of integrated in, didn't really decide one day to start being a prepper or anything else.

It was life at the time. And just like your parents on the homestead and on the prairies or whatever, I don't know where your parents came from. But, I mean, if you were living on a farm in the 60s, like you were a prepper. You just weren't called that. Yeah. Well, because nobody was going to take care of you. You had to take care of yourself. Well, yeah.

if you didn't jar for the winter, he didn't have fresh vegetables. You know, if you didn't have enough food to make it through the winter, you had either depend on your neighbors, which was not always the case, or you were going to be in trouble back on the homesteady days. So I think society's kind of walked away from that a bit, but I think there's still a few of us out there that still try and maintain. Well, it's hard not to walk away from it. You have a supermarket that's, you know, even through COVID,

people will talk about the toilet paper thing, but like, for the most part, did you ever go to the supermarket? Maybe you don't. I don't know. Did you ever go to the supermarket? the supermarket where there was nothing there's like no you walk in there's you know oh you can't get oranges today but you can get you know 10 different types of apple or whatever i'm just being a little facetious but like we haven't ever got to a point where all sudden a week goes by and you can't get x

and then you can't get you know not only x but abc d e i think in north america we have been a little bit spoiled with that but i mean yeah during covid i mean you saw the great toilet paper rushes on the news and everything else where people were worried about having a clean butthole, but they're not worried about filling their stomach, which was, I thought, fascinating at the time. But I mean, yeah, we did have see some shortages due to the supply chain issues, which was probably a first for a lot of us. I think a big kick of the pants for me was during the 2003 power outage. I was living in Ontario at the time, and the power went out for three days. So maybe the day three, people are starting to get a little bit antsy. So that also kind of reinforced my desire to kind

I've ever. What was it for, forgive me, 2003, I was in grade either, well, what, what time in 2003, beginning or end of 2003? Well, that would have about July 2003, I think. So I was just about to go into grade 12. I can tell you this, I wasn't worried about no power outages. I was worried about, I don't know, probably chasing a bit of tail is probably, yeah, chasing the girls, maybe, maybe hopefully passing with 51% out of high school. I get it. So, so walk me through 2003. So, Actually, my wife was seven months pregnant at the time, so that didn't help. But yeah, we're in southern Ontario and due to some mishaps right around New York State, Lake Ontario area. They actually had a bunch of power transformers blow out and a massive amount of people.

I think there's 31 million people who were out of power between the states and Canada for about three and a half days. So when you think about everything that's, you know, in the city areas where everything's relying on just in time deliveries, which is a problem. So the trucks aren't running because they can't get fuel. and, you know, before, you know, people can't pay with EMT or debit at the time. The stochash was still being used a lot, but not all the time. And a lot of stores had electronic inventories, they couldn't even sell you stuff because they was going to screw up their inventory levels. And then freezer was starting to fail at the grocery stores.

So people were running out of, like, frozen foods. And, yeah, it would be not so bad the first couple days, but by day three, it was starting a little bit weird. I think everybody knows this, but you said just in time deliveries. Could you give us just a little bit more on that, you know, because I feel like we do all understand this, but at the same time, I think it's a key thing on how society runs these days

to make sure we don't skip over that. Well, yeah, for sure. So in the older days, like probably when our parents were a little bit younger, you know, the grocery store had the sales section, but they also had probably a warehouse section that was just as big in the back. And so they would run stuff out as required,

but they'd maintain a fairly good storage in the back. But nowadays, the vast majority of a grocery store is the retail section, and they might have a five-foot section in the back where they have trucks delivering stuff just in time based on computer inventory and everything else and record of sales that they've got it down to a science where they might have a case of milk just show up as the last previous carton of milk is being sold and so nowadays you'll see an older person go in the back and say hey do you have anything in the back that because we're out of milk no they don't I guarantee they don't so if people go in there and clean out a grocery store there's there's no refilling it unless the trucks come hence the trucker strike being so effective Yeah, dad used to say, oh, I've said this lots, but dad always, you want to shut down the country, piss off the truckers. And, oh, wouldn't you know it? They did that. And we saw what happened, right?

And dad drove truck for many a year across Canada and saw how the industry or how the country functions, I guess, right? Well, because you stopped really using rail, so we've relied on truckers to, you know, get stuff to arrange just in time. But, you know, yeah, there's not a whole lot of the leeway. So if there's any sort of minor interruption, whether it be a snowstorm or whatever, yeah, it's not taking long for their shelves too empty. Yeah, when you put it that way, we're actually like, we don't realize how close we are to the brink at all times, essentially. Oh, with supply chains or power or internet. Yeah, or anything. Yeah, what can function without the internet nowadays, right?

Go back to 2003 for me. So you got the three-day power outage? Yep. And you got a pregnant wife. Are you, at any point, are you, like, prepared for this? I'm just kind of curious on where Ian was sitting. Well, Ian was doing okay. So I have a fairly good amount of food.

I didn't smoke. I didn't, you know, it didn't have any bad habits per se. But a lot of neighbors are running out of cigarettes. We're starting to get all antsy and fidgety and stuff. But, you know, I didn't have a plan for, you know, there's still the rule of law. Society was still intact. There was no major emergency. But it was certainly going to be recovered in a few days.

But people are starting to get, I think it will, you know, break into the store to steal those groceries because they were running out of food. And there's a lot of people I knew that were going to the grocery store every day. So when they couldn't go, it was a big deal. I was fine. You know, but it actually reinforced. Did you have any, you know, like thinking back on that time. Because, you know, like, I just think when I had the military boys and they were talking about the ice storm in Quebec and what they saw of the population and how they reacted to that.

And I've had on, I think it's Brett O'Donnell from Bow Valley Credit Union. and he was talking about being trapped in a hurricane out on an island and what happened after that. You know, when you look back on three days, were you starting to have conversations with your neighbors or friends or people and being like, oh, that's strange. Yeah, well, we were starting to worry about when it was going to come back because, you know, the radio stations were being a little cagey, but what was happening and what was the cause because they didn't want to, you know, point the fingers or anything else since there wasn't a whole lot of information going out.

I mean, a lot of us, like myself, had battery powered radios to listen to stuff. But, you know, after a while, like, it becomes a big void of information. Interestingly enough, you mentioned the ice storm back in the day. You know, back in Quebec, a lot of people had wood stoves back then to keep warm. Nowadays, you see that Montreal and Quebec City are both banning wood stoves and everything else. They're actually working, you know, people further away from the whole self-reliance thing. Yeah, well, and hence my interest in having some different people on, you know, to talk the complete opposite way. You know, for the listener, I've been getting asked a lot about this.

I've been talking about putting on a conference called S&P, ungovernable. S&P presents ungovernable. And the idea being just becoming less reliant on the government. Because the longer this goes on, you know, let's just assume we play this out for another 20 years and we don't have any big mishaps. We don't get more self-reliant. We become more reliant. They're taking over more and more and more things. and they start to ban things

and you just go like in our climate I mean I just got to point back to what it was it now was it a month ago month and change where we had the possibility of rolling blackouts in minus 50 weather you're just like how is this possibly the world we're living in

at the same time they're telling you to rely on heat pumps and Tesla's that's right oh yeah we're going to go full EV yeah I think if the grid can't handle the current load what's going to have when they had a half a million people every year plus they all want to go heat pumps and walk away from natural gas, which is just like mind-boggling and stupid. Right.

So I guess I look at this right now, you know, I go, okay, so best case scenario, best case scenario, we get common sense and leadership and they lead us away from that path. But everything the world's told me in the last four years says no matter how much common sense we have, we don't have enough of it right now. And we're going to get pulled closer and closer and closer to this, this world of everything being EV, which means, you know, if you extrapolate that out, the grid can't handle it, which means we're going to have problems arise. And that's just on the power side of things. That's nothing else. How? How? Where does your mind go with that?

Well, I think that's a good first step to prepping, really. Like, I mean, you know, the chances of a zombie apocalypse are almost zero. Almost zero. But in reality, the chances of a power outage is quite, quite, you know, common. Like, we have three or four power outages a year here on the regular eight creature I am. On the farm growing up, we had a power outage probably, especially through the summer months where we got thunderstorms. Um, probably, I don't know, once every couple weeks, the power would go out, right? Like, it wasn't that uncommon. Yeah. And so, I, you know, 40 years ago, it was called life, right? You know, like people just, you know, naturally reacted to what would probably happen, which is like a power outage, well, not even a power

back then. I mean, it'd say just extreme weather back then. So they already had a wood stove in place or they had a wood actual like cooking surface, you know, that they could actually work from. And they stockpiled firewood and everything else. And it was just, they can. They, you know, preserve foods. They did everything else. So like I said, everything but name, they were preppers. You're kind of a prepper already or you just don't know it. I mean, like you have a fire extinguisher home, right? Sure. Yeah. But you have a fire department. So if a fire department is going to show up in time to save the day, why do you need a fire extinguisher? That's a dangerous way of thinking, though. I don't like that way of thinking. And that's the same thing with, you know, they talk about self-defense, they talk about everything. It's like, so clearly you're already aware of the fact

that the fire department will not get there in time to save the day. So you're kind of have to like wipe your own butt and you're going to have a break out of that fire extinguisher and put out the fire, because if you sat around waiting for the fire department to show, your house would burn down. So from a prepper mindset,

you're kind of already on the path, right? Same reason you have car insurance. The chances of you having a car accident or even needing AMA to toy out of the ditches almost. zero, but you still carry insurance, not just because the law says to, but it's also a good idea. Same thing with me. And if, I guess, though, I could be wrong on this. No, I'm not wrong on this. I guess this is the way my brain thinks about it is. What do I do every single day? I drive. So the chances of me having need of car insurance are actually pretty high, or at least I run

the risk of every day at being there. I don't know what the equation for that is, but there is an equation and it's just like, well, you use it every day. You look at home insurance the same way. and then I go, okay, where I live with the climate for like, I don't know, is it six months of the year? Is it three months of the year? It's a fair amount. It's a fair amount where it wants to kill you. Like it literally wants to kill you with extreme cold, dark, on and on it goes. And I go, that's a big choke point.

Like that's, that right there is something we should all be staring at going, hmm, why don't I have anything that can bail me out when things get really bad? Well, I think you hit the nail on the head right there. You're looking at your actual threats. So, you know, like we talked about car insurance. Food insurance is another idea. So if there's a big snowstorm, you don't have to go to the grocery store. So having a few days of food on board is never a bad idea. Same thing.

If you, you know, if you live near a nuclear plant, maybe you should worry about having some, you know, escape plans that case there's a meltdown or whatever. If you live on the downtown east side, maybe you worry about breaking some theft to your car. It's like, you know, the realistic targets. So, I mean, like, so if you're living in Lloyd Minster, yes, I'd be worried about extreme cold. I mean, I was in Buffalo Narrows just north of you there. One time I saw minus 52. I mean, not too.

That's a good day. Yeah. Not too. If you're going to be sitting outside minus 52, you're not going to last long. You know what you can guarantee? You know what you can guarantee on a minus 52 day? No wind. And that, to me, I mean, as brutally cold as it is, is still a pretty good day.

You bundle up, you dress for it. And clear skies. Yeah. Right. You're not wrong. Yeah. Oh, I'm thinking of, well, the sun's shining. There's no wind.

let's get outside and then 10 minutes in you're like let's go back inside because it's awfully cold yeah no absolutely and even the government is inept as they are they recommend having at least 72 hours worth of supplies on hand so i mean that's based on their pipe dream of being able to get somewhere and and provide help within 72 hours which based on government efficiency as you know is a is a pipe dream like they're never going to show up and die so you know having to take care yourself for even up to a week i think it's realistically whether it be you know if you're on the east coast you're worried about hurricanes you're on the west coast you're about floods I mean, it's not, or earthquakes, I guess. But yeah, there's always something in Canada that there is, you know, provides a legitimate threat to you. So if you're sitting anywhere in Canada, heck, we've got listeners down in the States too. And you're going, okay. So what you're saying is my region has some, you know, I think it's the, was it the military guys? I can't remember. I remember getting in an argument about it.

Anyways, choke points, right? You just have some, some issues that are pertinent. like I think there's some universal ones like food, but there's maybe a few others, you know, maybe you're in a warm climate, so you don't got to worry about freezing to death, but if your power goes out, now you've got to worry about keeping your food cold.

We saw some stories out of Texas with that. On the flip side where we live, you know, in the cold months, if the power goes out, now you've got to worry about freezing to death, freezing your pipes, freezing everything because it can happen awfully quick. So when you're sitting there and you're looking across the board,

and people are like, man, yeah, I hadn't really thought about that. What are the, I don't know, early steps, the simple steps, if you would, are there simple steps? Absolutely. You know, it does not take much to get into this, I'll call it a lifestyle for lack of a better term. But I mean, you've seen Costco before and after a long weekend, right? And people are like stocking up like mad before that one day that Costco's closed and afterwards they come back and they stock up again. That's horrible to watch.

But in reality, during, but we've all done it. We've all done it. Maybe not all done it, but I mean, whether it's Costco or it's some other store, we've all done it. Yeah. So in order to mitigate that and maybe just get away from that is what we call ghosting your grocery buys. So if you have buy like Heinz brown beans or whatever, instead of buy one can to make you two, they buy a second can just throw at the shelf. And that way it's something that you're going to eat and it's something that you'll use. But at least you have an extra one now.

So over the course of the year, if you buy two instead of one or whatever, it's a small change to your grocery bill, even based on current food prices. And it starts a little stockpile for you. Like going out and buying like 15 cases of something that you'll never eat, like those 25-year shelf life foods and everything else, chances are you never can catch those things. So I wouldn't waste money doing that if you're going to start out as a prepper. I just buy what you eat. You know, that way you don't have to go to the shop daily.

You wouldn't do the 20, did I hear that right? You wouldn't buy the 25-year-old food thingy, majigie? No, no. I would not do that, absolutely not, especially if you're starting out as a prepper because A, you're going to think it's silly. B, it is an upfront cost. The cost per meal is actually low, but it is a huge upfront cost.

I would buy what you eat and at least, you know, see what you can work with because it's funny. The way, sorry to interrupt, I just go, the way my brain goes, it's like, so you're saying I could buy something the last 30 years. And I just throw it in the back and I never have to worry about it again. I go, and that makes kind of sense to me. Now, now I just go and boom, it's in there and I know, it's just, it's there if I ever need it.

It's a life wrap. I never have to use it ever again if I don't, if I don't. don't want to. By the same, by the same token at the end of 25 years or whatever from now, you might just eat your choice will be throw it out or try it and then it's 25 year old food and you probably won't like it anyway. But in reality, I mean, none of us are just survival experts, right? So if you buy like 10 cans of beans and you rotate them through so you use the oldest one

first and kind of what we call rotate your stock, then the chance of you needing more than the years worth of food is probably infinitesimally small. So if you just eat what you normally eat anyways, then there's no change to your lifestyle and there's stuff that you're not throwing money away basically on 25-year food. So unless you get to the extreme bunker phase, which I don't think too many of us are, there's no point in buying stuff like that.

You don't have your bunker ready? I live on solid bedrock right now. I'm on Nashville Island, so there's no ability to dig right now. Fair, you have a problem. Okay. Exactly. I have earthquakes and the forest fires to worry about. You know, when you talk about just buying extra,

it seems instead of it being, I guess the way my brain was looking at it was like, okay, I have these five problems. If I just address each five, then I can just move on with life and carry on and not have to worry about them. Kind of like buying insurance or something, I guess. I don't know if that's the exact right example. What you're saying is, actually, if you just keep doing exactly what you're doing, just buy one extra, or maybe two. you literally, it just becomes part of your mindset now moving forward, and it just becomes part of your life. It's nothing extreme.

It's just like buy an extra couple cans. And history, you know, I guess in Canada, currently where we're at in the last 30 years, would say that you don't need anything over a week's worth. Would that be fair? Yeah, I mean, honestly, for 99% of the emergencies that are going to happen in Canada, I'd say beyond a week, you're probably good. But in reality, if you were worried about, say, like, you know, grocery stores being on, you know, truckers being on strike, for example, there are a truck, grocery stores being emptied out.

There may be a little more than a week would be handy. During COVID, of course, when they were, like, refusing people entry to certain restaurants and they were talking about refusing people and free to grocery stores based on their back status, that could be a problem too, right? So if you are, you know, leaning towards that way, then there is a problem where you might want to have a little more. Isn't there a part of the population right now? I'm probably in it. It's sitting there going, I don't know if these are ideal times anymore. Like it was like but in saying that you go back and you were talking about red dawn and different things like that at one point in time in when did that start the 60s I mean heck you live people live through World War II. Why did why did that group of people become preppers even though they weren't being called that?

Like they they all went through rations and everything else because of the world wars that changes a person and where we're sitting today do you look at this as like oh this is just regular times? Or, no, they've shown a hand. And we're sitting on the brink of World War III, among other things. And maybe this is just different. Well, keep in mind those same people that went through that. Also, as children were going through the Depression. And some people that, you know, came over as immigrants from like the Ukraine, had gone through like a government mandated starvation program, the Holodomor, right?

So they obviously had a rightful reason to be, you know, a little bit more concerned about food shortages and everything else. In hindsight, for myself, I probably should have, as a kid, spend less time worrying about nuclear war, or Russians and invading in zombie apocalypse. and all that stuff. And probably worry a little bit more about excessive inflation and government overreach and maybe the dumbing down of society because, I mean, you know what it's like when the herd starts on something on the media. It doesn't take much for people who have incredibly insane ideas floating around.

So I don't want to get too political right now. I'll try and steer you away from that. Unless you want to steer into it because, I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter to me. I guess I just come back to, you know, there's a whole bunch of people right now that just, you know, what is fear is the mind killer i enjoy that quote from from dune and you know they get paralyzed they they get thinking about or they get running i got i got to i got to start canning and then i got to start this i got to start that you've addressed food essentially uh lightly right like you can do a bunch

of different skills and and adding skills into one's life is a good thing um but as far as like going and all sudden filling up an entire storeroom of you know like 10 years worth of food you're like, oh, that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense unless you really think we're going for dark, dark times. Correct? Well, yeah, because, I mean, don't buy flour if you can't bake. So if you buy 5,000 pounds of flour and it's sitting in your storeroom, but you have no idea how to make a loaf of bread, why would you bother? So there's a lot of, how do I describe, there's a lot of panic that can go on.

We call it preper fatigue where guys are worried about everything under the sun. And they get so worked up that it almost leads to decision paralysis and which can. case, you know, you're going to get nothing done and you're not going to be any further ahead, which is going to lead to more frustration and everything else. So I think the small steps, it's like eating the elephant, you know, like one bite at a time type of thing. So there's so much stuff to cover that you're never going to cover it all. The world's not going to end tomorrow, but any step helps. It's funny.

I just had podcast fatigue the other day, other week. Oh, I get it. Where I'm like, I'm getting pulled 17,000 different directions and I just slowed everything down. I just like, I need to get back. to the basic building blocks of this thing and remind myself a couple things so that I can slow it because like you're right it's an elephant or

you know my brother and I have mentioned this story multiple times at one point in time he was on man that was first year of the podcast we biked across Canada and I remember staring at the map of Canada and the first day we went like I don't even know if we made it 40K you know how defeating that was that was brutal yeah

and you know then he like kind of folded the map up and we put it to just Newfoundland, you're like, oh yeah, okay, that doesn't seem so bad. And just get on the, get on the bike, start pushing the pedal day after day, and you'll be amazed at where you get to. And certainly on this side with the podcast, that's exactly it. If you just get on the mic and start talking, if you want to start taking over your life, if you just start learning a few things, start adding a few things into what you do daily, it'll be pretty crazy after a month or extrapolate that out over a year, what you can probably

do to really change the trajectory of your life. Well, something as simple as throwing a jacket or two can miss in your car. I mean, Tesla's go dead as we've soon discovered, right? So, I mean, whether it be getting stuck in a snowstorm and your, you know, your car runs out of gas because you didn't keep it above half or something. But just keeping that jacket, two can miss in your car can make a huge difference, which is a preparedness thing, right? It's also common sense.

But I mean, like a lot of people don't necessarily have that or have been told that, right? And with vehicles, with, with cell phones, it gives you this self, uh, self, this, um, false sense of security. Like, no matter where I'm at, ah, it doesn't matter. I'll just call somebody and get me out. You know, like, we just saw it here with minus 50 weather. Um, my brain was like, okay, uh, this in there and this and there. I'm throwing like tons of things in there. Cause back on the farm, as much as I fought my parents on it, They used to, you know, like cold day, you're going out. You didn't have a cell phone, right? So you hit the ditch.

You're on your own. And they had a ton of things put in there in a safety bag. Actually, me and my best friend got talking about it because his mom was driving on the minus 50 weather day to the airport. And she got to ask him. He's like, ah, just, you know, pack these things and a candle. You'll be fine. Like, it's not the end of the world, right? We've dealt with this before.

And I was like, oh yeah, the candle thing. Like I kind of forgotten about packing the candle in a vehicle, you know. And it's funny, the false sense of security that phones I would point to, certainly vehicles are are drastically different than they were 20 years ago. But overall, the ability to have like somebody just pick up the phone and call and have help is way different than, you know, walking into a farmer's yard in the middle of night going, hey, I ran out of gas. Could you help me out? Yeah, I mean, most people think, well, in case of a snowstorm, if I get it, end up in the ditch, I'll just phone the tow truck company, you'll come and get me. But on that same day, there's going to be 500 cars in the ditch, as Vancouver will show you,

as soon as they get a centimeter of snow. So that tow truck might be a day away because he's just overwhelmed. I mean, they don't have like 500 tow tracks standing by just in case there's a snowstorm, right? So it does lead to a false sense of security for sure. And again, you know, having your own, whether it be traction gear, tow rope or whatever, booster cables is, you know, again, a preparedness item, but it's going to allow you to be a little more less reliant on somebody else, solving your problems.

When you look at, you know, the many different ways that maybe, you know, because we're just doing, to me, it seems really simple, right, with a vehicle and just adding in, you know, in the wintertime, I always have a mitten tukes in there. I don't think it's, I don't think it's that weird of a, you know, I don't think of it as as prepping. I just think, but maybe I got my mind wrong on prepping. Maybe it's just being prepared. I just look at it.

I'm like, well, chances of me having issues today, pretty slim, but they always ride with me. That way I always have gloves. Because, I mean, there's nothing worse than being out in the cold and not having myths to put on, let's say, if a tire goes flat or something. But like across the board, if you're sitting there and you're sitting at home and you're like, okay, I'm listening. All right, all right.

Yeah, yeah, there's some big things that a guy should probably do. you know, you mentioned the flour, but if you don't know how to cook, it doesn't really matter much. So in your world, are you big on like, hey, if there's classes being offered, if there's a skill you want to learn, if there's like, or do you go, no, you should write out, I don't know, the six areas in your life that you want to get better at. Like what, it sounds, I guess I may sound stupid folks. I don't know, but I'm like, is there a beginning step where you're just like, this is what you should do. Absolutely. So I'm glad you asked. So the one thing that the government can't ban is knowledge that's inside your head already. So if you learn everything from a first aid course, you know, CPR, you know, learning how to, you know, even open up a, I don't know, a Jerry can and how to use that properly, how to change a tire.

I mean, stuff like that is stuff you need to learn ahead of time, but, you know, nobody can take that away from once you get it. Broader strokes for prepping. I mean, you can get in shape. I mean, reduce the need to rely on a horrible medical system. learn some martial arts. It's a great exercise, discipline, skill set, all that stuff. You know, there's so many things you can do ahead of time that just is minimal effort, but it's, you know, we always talk about testing our gear.

If you don't test your gear ahead of time, but you have it, then really, you're not going to, it's not going to be very handy because, like, whether it be like an emergency radio or like a beacon or anything else, you don't know how to use it, it's useless. And so even booster cables, if you've never, you know, hooked up booster cables before, why have them in your vehicle? So yeah, there's a lot of stuff you can do well ahead of time. You are giving, like my idea of prepping, and maybe it's because of my background, right? All the things you just said, I'm like, but those are so, like, ridiculously easy.

And are there people out there? It's amazing how people cannot change oil, change a tire, anything else nowadays. Okay, well, now you're getting a little further down the line. To me, changing oil is way different than boosting. It's different than changing a tire. In my opinion, my humble opinion. I'm like, are there people out there that have never used booster cables before? I assume there aren't.

That's a dumb thing for Sean to say. But I look at that and I go, it can't be that many. Like in this world? You'd be shocked. I mean, like you look at the snowstorm that happened in Ontario there, what last year, I think it was, halfway between Toronto and Barry. And there was like 200 cars in the pile up and people were just, you know, in work clothes. They had, you know, worked down in Toronto. They were commuting home and they were just in like high heels and, you know, running shoes and everything else.

no, no capability to spend the night in your vehicle or anything else. And it's not as common as he would think. Like common sense is a superpower nowadays. It's not really a common thing. So, you know, even if something as simple as like,

you know, keeping your gas tank above half in case something like that does happen where you're stuck in a traffic jam or whatever. And most people, you know, they'll be like, oh, well,

I'm below a quarter. I suppose I should probably fill up now. Well, it's not really a great idea. I mean, well, me and my wife get into this conversation all the time. She thinks I'm,

she laughs at me, but I'm like, don't go below half. Like, I mean, in our world, where we live with the weather, everything else, do not go below half. And she laughs at me all the time, but I'm like, I have ran out of gas. A, just take all the prepping side out of it. The biggest shot to a man's ego is running out of gas.

That is just like, what was I thinking? And the thing is, is I've done it several times and it sucks. It's like Kramer on Seinfeld, like, let's see how far we can push this thing. And then you're stuck on the side going back in the day. having to walk into some farmer's yard to see if you can get a jerry can to fill up and then race to town to get more to break it just ah imagine those guys in fort mcmurray felt when that fire popped up at the very last minute they had like 10 minutes warning to leave town and you think there was a good idea to line up the gas station then and so a lot of these people they hopped in their car to escape this raging fire that's coming to fort mcmury with no notice they made it 20 miles down the highway and then there's a pile up of empty empty tanks of gas just south of town which created a

bigger problems. Now you've got a bunch of people stranded that, you know, can't go anywhere. The fire is still approaching on them and everything else. It turned into a big mess. And it's actually, they happen to send, you know, truckers or tankers full of gas to refuel these cars as they're leaving town. But if you had half a tank of gas, you can make it from McMurray down to, well, probably Lloyd at least anyways before there's another problem, right? Well, you can make it to gas where it isn't the end of the world, right? Like, you can get away. And certainly, you know, when, when, when, I don't know why this is surprising me so much, Ian.

Because I thought, you know, bringing you on, I thought you were going to be like, well, you know, like you look at it. Like, you know, I don't know. I don't know what I thought you were going to say. But you're saying such simple things. It's almost bothering me. I'm like, it can't be this simple. It is amazing.

How many people will ask me some really basic, basic stuff. I've actually had the local hostwives, I guess, for about like a better term, come home and ask me how to process a chicken. So we have chickens of the little acreage here, and we actually had one lady come over and she said, I just want to learn how to do it once so I know how to do it. And I've never seen it done before. And we kind of got over the squeamish aspect and everything else.

And she was just so thankful having seen that. But, you know, people that aren't raised in a rural area have never seen a lot of this stuff. So, you know, it's becoming a bit of a lost art for just basic self-reliance. And I'm not even saying, like, I think the worst thing ever happened to us was doomsday prepper is when you get that, that prepor logo attached to you. And now you look like you're wearing a gas mask and shooting off your full auto weapon and everything else. It's like, it's not like that at all. So it's a lot more common sense. What are the biggest, what are the biggest areas, though?

You think people, I guess I don't know. When I look at choke points in life, I'm like, my house freezing off in the winter is a big one. And how do you fix that? Well, fireplace, generator. Is there a couple that I'm not thinking of that are that are sitting there that are more cost effective? I don't know. Learn where your water shut off is so you don't freeze your toilets. Empty all those out.

You get some of the sheet plastic to like, you know, seal off a room. So you actually keep that heat contained around the fireplace to a smaller area. Some wool blankets, you know, little body heating pads. Anything like that that would help you in the short term. Even some stored water because, you know, once you shut off your water, that's obviously not running or it's going to freeze in place. So there's water being the big one, I guess. Lots of people turn to silver, gold, lead.

Those are probably precious metals and bullets. Yeah, precious metals come in all sorts of sizes and shapes, right? The thing is, I tried to get to this with a friend of mine the other day. You're not going to get rich getting into precious metals. Precious metals are designed to carry you from one set of currency to another. So if the Canadian dollar goes down the toilet, like due to excessive spending, I know you can't imagine something like that. And it becomes absolutely worth us.

And silver and gold have always maintained its value through history. And then when they start up with the Ameri or whatever they decide to start with down the road, you can convert that gold and silver to the new currency. There is some talk about short-term bartering with silver and everything else. But a lot of people don't know the value of silver or they don't know if it's real or everything else. So if you try and pay for something with your neighbor with a bar of silver, might not work. But it's a good transition thing or at least a wealth preservation tool. I have no problem with that.

as you know, the cost of ammo and even reloading components is always going up. So that's a good inflation hedge right there. So if you invest in lead of all sorts, you're never going to lose money on it if you want to sell it to a friend or whatever that has a pal. Or just bulk lead or whatever. I mean, yeah, there's certainly lots of use cases for that. Even the fact that, you know, lately they've had ammunition shortages across North America. So having an extra few boxes of hunting ammo is a preparedness aspect that you could certainly, you know, justify, especially if you go deer hunting every year. Yeah, yeah, well, I agree with you on the silver gold and actually the lead.

I think back, I think it's, was it Chuck Pradnik, folks? He talked about, you know, even with the Hamas attacks and different things in that area, that the people that were getting out of there and got out of their safely, lots of them had stored weapons away and knew how to use them and knew how to, you know, access them and get going, right? because when things happen, you don't just, you know, I think back, isn't it Tony Dunjee? I think it's Tony Dunjy who said you don't rise to the occasion you fall back on your level of preparedness, right? Yeah, or training.

And so if you're not doing anything today, the chances of you rising to the occasion when it actually happens is pretty low. Well, even to the point where I say if you got your pal got a 22 caliber rifle just because you want to do Tarmigan Hunt. or rabbit hunting, but you've never gone out and actually done it, how much luck do you think you're going to have when every other hunter is out there doing the same thing because there's a food shortage or something? So clearly you're going to want to maintain, not just get your gear, but learn how to use it and be proficient with it. So whether it be a hunting rifle or anything else, yeah, you want to be proficient with your,

with your tool. Are you big on an exit plan? You know, I think there's, I don't know, and once again allow you the thoughts on this, the exit strategy versus what you can call it the fortress strategy we're going to sit at home we're going to lock in

I don't know and well that's a that's a prep or mainstay is the old bugout plan we're going to have a bug out location we're going to bug out to the woods and of course

if everybody's grabbing their SKS and running out to the woods that's obviously not going to end well so I think unless things are absolutely going to be worse if you stay you're better off staying where you are so unless your house

is about to burn down because of a forest fire maybe then it's time to leave but until that time you've got all your supplies all your preps like your spare food and your spare first aid kit or whatever at home you can't fit it all in your car so you're way better off to stay home until things are going to be absolutely made worse by staying so I'm a big big proponent of staying put actually already bugged out from

Ontario I had to work out uh work out in Ontario for 13 years uh against my will basically because that's where the work was but I ended moving out to Vancouver Island so warmer weather we started a small hobby farm you know we start getting some livestock and everything else so I've kind of got my little hideout in the woods already set up. So that was kind of my plan anyway. So essentially your bugout plan was to build it and now you just live it. Yeah, now we just kind of live it and it's just enjoyable. It's just like a nice, you know, quiet place out in the country.

And so we've kind of got all of our supplies already in our little escape location, so to speak. But in reality, it's like, yeah, it's just a house. I mean, it's just a happy little acreage. What, uh, you know, there's a lot of talk about prepping these days. What do you think, what just makes you chuckle? What are you like, this is, this is insane? Well, there's lots of things you see that are like insane in society. And, you know, like people going on buying nuclear, biological, chemical gear.

And they're going to get a full suit and they're going to be ready for the nuclear apocalypse. I'm like, well, that's great. What happens when you have to go to the bathroom? Because sooner or later, unless you have a big support structure in place like the military wood or whatever, you're only going to last an extra couple hours. So it's just crazy. People focusing on just guns. Like, I mean, guns are an important tool for hunting, you know, food procurement and everything else.

We can talk about other stuff offline. but you know of course the king of government pooh-poo's certain aspects of firearms ownership um but yeah i mean and getting just tactical gear and everything else well if you're if you weigh 400 pounds if you're not even in shape there's no much point getting a bunch of tactical gear so you know getting in shape is a far better prep than just focusing on the guns right um having gear but no idea how to use it uh or if it's even going to work in your local needs like if you buy a bunch of camouflage gear because you think you're going to be all tactical but you buy you know tan colored gear and you live in the the green forest that's not much of a

a good idea, right? We talked about food you don't eat. I mean, buying food that you're never going to eat, like you might buy canned beans, but it turns out your wife hates beans. Well, what's the point of buying, like a case of beans, right? And other insane stuff, like we talked about worrying your, or fixating on one thing, like wearing yourself to death.

That's a problem. Like, why worry about the Yellowstone, you know, a volcano going off or a meteor impact? Not much you can do about it. So just relax. Trying to get everything done today is another big problem because, you know, people, like you said, get overwhelmed or not even so much fatigue but just anxiety about so many things to worry about

and and working themselves into a tizzy and the other big thing just before we get off this um putting all your preps on a visa card because you think the world's going to end next week don't put yourself in debt to start preparing because if you do you know chances are you're going to have to pay it back long before the world ends so yeah and one other note too on the prairies for yourself when you guys had homesteaders back in 1905 and albara became a province everything else nobody was self-sufficient even then. They still have to go to the general store to get nails. They still have to go, you know, get a bag of flour or whatever because they knew how to make bread. And everything else. Don't ever expect to be completely self-sufficient. It'll never happen.

And like I guess the last thing, too, is don't make decisions based on fear. You mentioned fear being the big mind killer. It's a big motivator. It's a big control mechanism. But I think one thing we learned to act after COVID is like, you know, make use to the internet interwebs while you have it. I mean, like go in and research stuff while you can learn how to do stuff. Yeah, just go in it with a level head more than anything else. You mentioned, I would say this entire interview, you've been very level. Not getting too high, not getting too low. But when you look at today, what do you think is the biggest threat? Like what makes, what makes I and go, hmm, that's, that's something to really

stare at and you know I'll say this I'll go back on this story because to me this was this is the way I was trying to explain it to my wife and I think it's what I'm enjoying about you so much at this point is we were talking about wife's American and we were sitting there one day talking about you know COVID and different things and you know CBDCs and you know and all these different things and I I was just fine well I don't think it has to be the bomb goes off and then we're back to the stone ages. I'm like, there's a lot of different ways to get in life where all of a sudden, all you're doing is just gasping for air. And for us, we signed into a 10-year mortgage in 2022. And, you know, at that time, I was stared at kind of like, you know, like you want to do

what? The interest rates are where? And I remember having to convince people, even banks, to give me a 10-year option. And so then we finally locked in. And now, you know, a couple of years later, you look, you know, rather brilliant. And I'm not saying I'm brilliant. I'm saying the people around me, my brothers in particular, that argued with me and I argue with them. And we kept looking at it and on and on it went. And so there's one where, you know, it, you know, over the course of a couple of years,

because we started talking about in 2020, you know, I was very fortunate to have listened and signed in. And now you see where the interest rates are at. And if you hadn't, then you're feeling that pressure today, right? Or you're about to feel that pressure because you're five year fixed in Canada, you know, we're different than the Americans in that way, is going to be coming up. So you're staring at that, and that's going to put pressure on your life that you didn't have before. When you look at today, it doesn't have to be that something's going to happen tomorrow,

but you know, you're looking over the course of the next is a year, is the six months. I don't know the time frame. I would appreciate acknowledging whatever time frame you're looking at. And then what you think is, like this is, you know, people should be paying attention to it. Well, yeah, you hit the nail on the head. It's the financial aspect that worries me the most as well. Like if you look at Venezuela or Argentina as an example, these things have been a slow burn collapse for the space of 10 years, right? And as you know, this current prime minister has spent more than every other prime minister

combined with them. Yeah, it's insane the amount of money that's gone out the, the, the, the, the, down the toilet. So, I mean, hyperinflation is a realistic concern. I mean, I mean, the food prices, it doesn't seem like they've gone up a lot, but they've either shrunk the packaging or increased the price slightly. It's called shrinkflation. your wages haven't gone up 30%, but food sure has.

And so, yeah, I mean, whether it be mortgage costs, people that are in a bubble don't know they're in a bubble, so whether it be Vancouver real estate or anything else. Like you look at the movie The Big Short was a prime example. People didn't see this stuff coming, but in reality, if by every metric we are underwater so bad financially in Canada that I think that's something we shall be paying attention to right now. So things that worry the most right now is I'd say the economic condition of the country,

but people seem to equate the stock market with, economy, which is kind of, I guess, disingenuous at best. I mean, in reality, it's, the stock market is a herd mentality kind of group of people, whereas the, you know, the actual economy is a real different scenario altogether. So what are you, I agree with it. I, I really agree with it. So what are you, I don't know, bullish on or what are you, you know, I'm just adding a little bit here and a little bit there and I don't want to pull you out on any exact.

Well, no, I kind of do. I guess I'm looking at it and I go, well, on this side, people wouldn't know this by now. One of my major sponsors is silver gold bolts. So they can probably assume where I've, you know, started that train of thought. I have a guy who will be on just before you talking about Bitcoin because I think there's something there. And I go, you know, to me, the financial world, money is not the, is and is not the end all. all. But a lot of pain here that I have talked to people who lived through the 80s in my community was centered around what happened in the 80s. And that was, you know, interest rates. That was,

they couldn't afford to do anything. And that put people in a lot of dark places. That wasn't the government coming to their front doorstep saying, hey, we want to put a vaccine in your arm. That was, I can't pay to have my business run anymore. And so if we can help people out that way, One of the things that I really deep down wish I would have talked about back in the two years of where we argued about it was the mortgage rates because we argued about it for two years. I was talking about it, but I didn't talk about it on the podcast. So what are some things you're doing now for your prepping lifestyle that you're like, I'm not going out and grabbing 25 years of food, but I am doing a little bit of this. Well, okay, so yeah, I remember the 18% of interest rates in Alberta, too, when I was a kid. I mean, my parents were talking about it, and they did the right thing, too.

They got out of debt. They signed out or they paid off their mortgage. The big thing we're doing right now is we're going to be mortgage-free by May. We don't do Mexico trips. We don't do fancy cars. We don't do, you know, any lavish lifestyle. My kids used to mock our house that's very modest. We live well within our means.

So we always kept a very low debt level to the point where the bankers are actually surprised when they look at our only real debt was the mortgage. So we didn't carry a visa balance or anything silly like that. So our big thing was debt. So, you know, fairly soon will be mortgage-free. We're going to have... Man, that'll be a good feeling. Oh, yeah.

We're still paying rent to the government in the form of land tax, but don't get me started on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, yeah, that is certainly the biggest mitigation factor. But like I mentioned before, don't put stuff on Visa to prepare stuff. Well, yeah, don't carry a debt load at all. As far as Bitcoin goes, I'm not going to crap on Bitcoin. I'm not into it myself. As far as I'm concerned, it's a fee at currency.

So it's only worth something because people believe it is. and you saw the fluctuations during COVID and everything else. If he thought the jet was going to go out and never come back, well, then obviously, Bitcoin's going to disappear because there's nothing tangible in your hands. So that's where I would lean towards more precious metals than anything else. Precious metals obviously are historically proven as a thing. But like I said, it's not a get rich, crick scheme by any means. Like, you're never going to get rich with precious metals.

You're just going to maintain what you have. So it depends on what people are after. If they want to speculate, they can play with Bitcoin. If they want to preserve, they can go with precious metals. But the biggest thing for us is just keep your debt levels low and your outlay's low. So, you know, we don't have subscriptions to Netflix or anything else either, right? I'm a hedger, I guess. I like a silver and gold makes complete sense.

My brain wraps around that very well. The thing I'm trying to do is understand Bitcoin more and more. It doesn't mean that I'm walking out and putting my entire house and everything I own into Bitcoin. I think that's even Bitcoiners would tell you that's a terrible idea. Golden silver guys don't tell you to go drop every ounce of money you physically have into silver and gold. Live within your means, I think, is a really important thing. And the other thing that you've been talking about, right, is like one bite at a time. Like just a little bit, by a little bit, by a little bit.

And I'm not a genius in the financial world. I try and bring people on that can help stimulate that conversation. I find it interesting that a prepper, though, is pointing at, and if I may call you a prepper, is pointing at the financial thing is like if I'm looking at anything, the finance side of things right now is very unnerving. Well, you think about how many layoffs have just occurred in the last month alone, whether it be media layoffs or like factory layoffs or whatever. I think you'd be far better off being served by having three months' worth of wages,

like after tax wages, you know, stored in the bank so that you could actually like float through a layoff until you find another job or whatever. You're far better served by having something like that than actually having Bitcoin or whatever in the short term. I mean, as you get more and more prepared, I guess you can start branching out. Like he said, diversify. But I think people, even the average person doesn't have more than 500 bucks in the bank, I don't think. And I think there are stats out there that saying that they can't make a, they can't skip a paycheck, basically, at this point.

And that's scary. That is scary. Yeah, you know, when you put it that way, it's one of the things that we've, Mel and I have done, I don't know, not extremely well. because I wish I had, don't we all wish we had a little more money? But I'm also like, we got to pay off over the course of we've been married now. Holy man, it'll be, it'll be 10 years in August. I don't know if I thought about that. Wow.

Okay, it'll be 10 years in August. Isn't that something? Yeah, it's amazing. And it's been a while ride. As the audience knows, love my wife very dearly. And we over the course of 10 years have got to pay off a lot of like student loans from from school and and, you know, vehicles and on and on it goes. And the one thing that, you know, obviously we have, we have a house mortgage. And I sometimes wonder how people function with the stress of having like, you know, 12 different loans for 12 different things and a high credit card.

I just can't imagine that stress. I think part of prepping is like the reduction of stress and seeing where stress can come from stress can come from your house freezing and that is a big thing but stress can also come from interest rates going up and all of a sudden you lose

300 bucks a month to something that you're like could have just done a couple things and had it locked in or whatever paid off and now you don't have that stress Well, yeah, you can imagine somebody tarzaning from paycheck to paycheck and just making it every time type of thing. And I think the analogy here would be preparing allows you to have that if you happen to miss one of those vines and you fall on the ground, you can either hit the hard ground and lose your house or you can maybe have a little cushion down there and it'll also keep you safe for a few months. Yeah, it's just, it's such a, how would I describe it more than anything else? It's just such a shock when you think of how financially tenuous people are sitting in a position right now.

It's just, it's almost, it's going to, something's going to break at some point. So I'm not hoping for it. That's for sure by the means, I'm just saying that that seems to be an economic reality. Well, I don't think you're hoping for it, but you go like, just look at what the government's done with the amount of spending they've gone on. Look at the United States. And certainly there's a whole ton of things at work with the United States, you know, with the dollar being basically the global currency and everything else. But, I mean, did you watch the Tucker Putin interview where he's like, you know, the U.S. thought they were going to, you know, screw the Russian economy over.

We're doing pretty good. And you're like, yeah, I get what Putin's saying there. And you look at what the North American economies are doing. And I go, I'm not, like, I'm terrified of the Trudeau government and what they've been doing with spending and everything else. Like, it doesn't bode well. And I did this interview a long time ago with a farmer, local farmer. never aired folks it was a it was a family interview and he talked about how they survived one of the the droughts back in the 90s because he said all in the good times we dug more dugouts and we

we prepared because always in the good times you prepare for the bad and that's stuck with me an awful lot and the bad times are always happening in different areas of life it's it's it's very rarely I would think do you get where everything goes to bad all at once And by the same token, though, like there's a news article that happened last week that, you know, didn't make any headlines here. But it was massive financial news for the states. It's like Russia in one of the things where they're getting better all the time, they actually decided to do their first oil exchange in Saudi Arabia there with the BRICS countries in something other than U.S. dollars. So now that the U.S. is the long for the petro dollar. They're in for a world to hurt down the road.

But they don't seem to see it coming. Actually, back to the precious metals for a second. One thing I forgot to mention, too, is that there was actually a local. Winnipeg interviewer that went to Mark Carney, I think, at the time, and said, you know, because Canada had sold off all their gold, and he could figure why they had done that. And one of the politicians, I think as Mark Carney actually said, gold has no intrinsic value. So they're right there that told me something that if you go by opposite headline theory, the government's still there.

That's a big problem. So, yeah, when you see something like, you know, non-US dollar transactions for oil, the current state of the financial stuff, it's, yeah, not looking good. Before I let you out of here, is there anything else, you know, like this has been a very, I don't know, a high overview, very simple things. Because, you know, it's not like, hey, go out and buy these things. And maybe that, do you have like an idea if you had a thousand bucks just sitting there, $500 sitting there? I don't know. Are you like, oh, you should do these things?

Oh, that's so tough. And it depends on your personal situation. It would be very hard. I mean, honestly, if I wanted to get somebody to become a prepper, the first thing you do is, you know, go out and get to, own to your neighbors because the best thing you do is have a support network in your neighborhood. So it doesn't cost any money, but you might have to have some people skills and go and learn how to interact with your neighbors. If I was going to suggest something, beside the first aid course, raise a garden, learn how to hunt and fish. Maybe if you want to get

into ham radio, it wouldn't just help with the community. That's a big thing, though. You know, a bit selfish here. I'd tell people to get their pal because not so much that they might actually use it. That's just, but increase that voter base because, you know, The government likes to crap on us more than anything else, palholders. I think we should learn some basic skills, whether it be like, you know, raising chickens or whatever. No matter what, just keep learning. That's one of our taglines in our show is at the end of every show we mentioned the people should keep learning. Because like I said, the man can't ban knowledge you already have, right?

And the best thing is, too, I think next generation, teach your kids to be less reliant. Maybe teach them how to run booster cables or maybe even like talk to them outside of social media. get them to put their phones down for a second. I actually just, did you have time for a quick story? Oh, yeah. We got plenty of time. Oh, okay, perfect. So actually just a couple days ago, I had,

back in the day, I taught my kids some standard first aid. We went out and did a course together as a daddy daughter kind of time. And my two girls are living together in Vancouver now, and one girl cut her finger pretty badly. But they had a first aid kid handy because, you know, we're preppers, right? So we had a big master first aid kid over in Vancouver there. So they wanted our new enough to put pressure on the finger of the other daughter,

got the first aid kit, wrapped her up, drove her down to the hospital, because unlike some kids, they have driver's licenses, so they drove them down to the hospital and everything else, and the people were at the hospital

were like, well, you've already taken care of business, we'll just give you some stitches and send you on their way, and it was actually like less of a drain on society because the kids, instead of calling an ambulance or something silly like that,

they actually knew enough how to handle the problem themselves. So it was a nice prepor dad. It will feel a good story for the... Well, Jocelyn Berziak, who is Sundance Construction on Twitter, for those who fall. She had a, we just talked about it on the mashup.

What was that? A week? Two weeks ago. I can't remember. My days get all mixed up. But she literally went to, you know, me and twos have been talking an awful lot about like how the wait times at hospitals, people have been dying, people have been, you know, and it hasn't been good.

And it seems like, I don't know, sorry, Manitoba, it seems like Manitoba has really had an issue here. And she showed up with a guy who'd had a pretty serious injury. and ends up getting the stuff needed from the doctors and goes and does it herself. I'm like, imagine that. Like, I'm just, how many people would know what to do? I'm going to be honest, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. I mean, push comes to shove, the world's ending. Sure, I'm going to test my hand at sewing and stitching somebody up.

But overall, I've never tried that before. Well, it's not something they'd want to try for sure. But I mean, yeah, the knowledge and the gear is available out. therapy to try, but I mean, that might be a little extreme at this point if you're just starting out. But I mean, there's lots of basic books you can get just to, you know, have as a reference manual. Like there's, there's famous books called like where there is no doctor and everything else. But yeah, I mean, people do it. That's for sure. But I mean, judging by what we know what's happening with the Medicare system, I mean, I think you'd be far better off learning how to,

how to handle minor emergencies yourself versus going and waiting 12 hours in emergency to handle a cut thing or whatever, right? So, um, Yeah. To me, it feels like everything's falling apart. Like, I mean, like, you go to, I got young kids. They play hockey, right? And we go to the rink, and it feels like the world is, is like ticking along and it's fine. It's probably one of the healthiest things I do for my sanity.

I've joked lots that if you want to solve the world wars and the world's problems, have everybody show up to a U7 hockey game. It's just awesome. But then, you know, when you hop back on here and you start talking and you start reading articles and you start paying attention to what is going on in the world, you know, there's a lot of problems that aren't, you know, that are happening simultaneously. That I think a lot of people dabbling into prepping and, you know, like, I just love how you put it. It's so simple. It's almost irritating. It's like, well, just put some booster cables in. It's like, that can't be prepping. but in the simplest form it is prepping, right? Yeah.

But there's a whole bunch of people that already doing that, and they're trying to step up their game to like level two. So for me, live in town, this coming spring, we're going to do a garden, and I'm going to be horrific. But it's going to be fun because the kids are already excited about it. Never done it before. Back as a kid on the farm, we did it. But since living in town, I haven't had to do it.

And so, I don't know. I guess I look at it and I just see all these problems. Happen. One of the stories I like, Ian, is in the dirty 30s in Saskatoon. They gave out garden plots to all their residents. So you go, well, in the last 100 years, a little under, actually, there has been a time where the Saskatchewan government gave out garden plots so people can feed themselves. Well, they even had victory gardens during World War II where they encourage people to dig up their front lawn

and turn it into a garden to offset the need to become less reliant on the system for their own basic fruits and vegetables. So yeah, it's a... Can you imagine going down, having neighbors and everybody having their garden in their front yard? It's happened before. It'll happen again.

You watch. I mean, just based on the price of food alone. I think you're brilliant by actually trying and testing out seeing how your gardening skills are because they imagine the average person that's new into prepping we'll say, well, I bought 50 packs of seeds. So if something goes wrong, I'll just, I'll just plant the seeds. Well, as you know, it's not something like you're not going to have a great crop the first time you try farming.

So imagine the middle of emergency, you try your hand of gardening for the first time. It's going to go horribly. But for you, like you said, if you have some bit of gardening skills, you can turn those seeds into a crop. Oh, yeah, it's going to go horribly. I can't, I can't wait for it, though. The kids are excited about it, right? And to me, that's what's going to get me excited about it because they're going to want to go see. And as it comes up, you know, like they do these little experiments at school all the time

where they grow different plants and different vegetables and on and on and on. And, you know, to me, that in itself is like, you know, you said something early on that I found, you know, fascinating. It's like, well, just get your kids off your phone and start interacting with them and just go out into the world and maybe start seeing some things and start understanding. And part of that is just prepping in itself. meeting your neighbors. Like, I know two of them. You know? It's like...

Again, in the city, it's even worse. You're closer to neighbors and you know less of them. Like, we have little five acre plots where we are right now, and we still know all of our neighbors and everything else. And, you know, some we get along with, some we don't. But, I mean, that's just the way it is. And, um, but I mean, in the city, you could literally be living next door to somebody for 20 years and never know them,

which is crazy when you think about it. So if something goes wrong, you're not going to go to your neighbor for a cup of sugar, like you, or a can of gas like you mentioned before or a, anything else, it just wouldn't happen, right? They might be only even answer the door at that point. So it's a big difference. That's one of the best things you can do is form like kind of a little cohesive, tight-knit group where you have common interests like, you know,

protecting neighborhood watch, you know, same idea is a form of prepping. When you think about it, you're preventing break-ins. You're trying to protect the community. You're trying to create a team, so to speak. It's, uh, it's not a giant leap of logic. That's for sure. It's certainly been done before. Where, where can people find you?

If they're looking to, uh, to fall along with. You've mentioned a few different ways through podcasts and everything, but where can people go to find more of Ian Jones? Well, unfortunately, I got banned for pretty much everything for, as yet stated, like unstated reason whatsoever. So banned off anything, Facebook, which was not a bad thing. So banned off WhatsApp, everything else. Even banned off the Discord app.

It's just amazing. Discord? Yeah, I think the government wants you reliant on the government. They don't want you self-reliance. So then you start talking about stuff like that, you get banned pretty fast. But, um, so Sunday nights at 9 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. Isn't that, isn't that a wild thought?

Yeah. And they don't ever give you a reason and he can't fight it. It just, I woke up one morning. I was banned from a bunch of things. You're talking about self-reliance and then we don't want that here. Oh, yeah. Well, we could, we could talk about my, my conspiracy theory behind self-reliance on the, or less reliance on the government because like, even from a financial perspective,

uh, the state encourages divorce, um, from a, from an economic perspective. If you're a single, here's, here's what we're going to do and this is going to irritate people. Finish your thought on where people can find you. Yep. All right. So Sunday nights 9 p.m. Eastern on YouTube. It's Canadian Prepar Podcast. I also show up on Monday nights at 9 p.m.

Eastern on YouTube as well under Canadian Patriot Podcast. That's more political, spicy show. You can email me direct at the island retreat at gmail.com or feedback at prepperpodcast.ca. And the only other place I'm really on is Gab because it's the only place they'll allow me. I started a little group called

Homesteading and Preparedness Canada. Can anyone enter that? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to do this. Folks, we're going to switch over to Substack. That's really going to piss some people off. Because you're going to be like, Sean, I want to hear about this conspiracy theory.

That's fine. That's fine. You know where to find this, folks, over at the Sean Newman podcast Substack. And that's where we're going to go. So if you want to follow along, hop on over to Substack. this is a patron only section i'm assuming uh substack only yeah yeah yeah yeah okay welcome to substack brought to you by crude master transport uh thanks ian for sticking around um now i i've probably got people that all fired up uh conspiracy theory i i all right all right you had me

tied what's your conspiracy theory on the government well we wouldn't be a good preference unless we talked about a good conspiracy theory so if you're a i say you're a i single income family because a state does not like that at all. Like the family unit is one of the first things that has to go under a socialist system, right? Um, I don't think there's any argument to that. I mean, the destruction of the family unit has been an ongoing thing since the 60s. So if you're a single income family right now and you make say round numbers, $100,000, you're going to pay X amount of tax because you're, you know, your personal deductions reduces you make more and more money. By the time you hit about $80,000, you've got, you know, 35% tax rate. Um, you can't income split at

all. If you're retired, you can't income split, but you can't as a single income family. If you get divorced and you start paying your wife alimony, also that you can income split, that alimony is tax deductible on your end and they pay the lower tax rate. So you're actually from a financial perspective, you're actually better off being divorced, which is insane. Like, you think they want to encourage families to stick together and maintain that family unit and have like a cohesive, like better outcomes for the kids by having a family. unit, but in reality, they want people to be divorced. And then, you know, who is a single parent going to turn to? They're going to turn to reduced cost to health care. They're going to

turn to, you know, social programs in some cases. They're going to turn to, you know, anything but their acts. So as far as conspiracy goes, I think the government is intentionally encouraging the breakup of the family and making economically viable to get divorced. Economically advantageous even. When you say the government. I'm like, who, now I'm like, now I'm really curious. Who put that through? And you probably don't have the, maybe you have the answer, I don't know.

I don't have the answer. The funny thing is, like, they've gone out of their way to encourage social programs. Like, you know, as well as I do, if you have a welfare parent, that's not to be a mom, just saying a welfare parent, they're better off having four kids to max out their benefits. Why would they do that? And I mean, you know, the outcomes for single parent with their kids versus the education system. They're not going to turn out well. Family units are important, whether it be from a preparedness aspect or not.

I mean, maintaining a family unit gives not just better outcomes for kids, healthier kids, healthier parents. Yeah, it maintains a sense of community and everything else. But it has to be intentional at this point, not just from a financial perspective, but everything is social programming, every TV show out there has a single parent or, you know, it's a crazy thing to watch, honestly. Home schooling, for example, it's a very, we actually, homeschooled for three years. It was a tough thing to do because only one of us was making money at that point. One of us had to homeschooling. And not that homeschooling is anything like it was back in the

70s or 80s. I mean, it used to be a fringe thing where it was like, you know, only religious extremists or crazy people, you know, hippies that lived in the woods homeschooled. Nowadays, it's actually a pretty common thing. Where we are in BC right now actually has the highest homeschool rate in the province, basically because the education system is substandard to begin with, which also doesn't help. But also fact it allows more opportunities, there's so many programs available with the BC government for homeschooling. It's actually fantastic. We, yeah, and we ended up getting heavily involved with 4-H, which is probably a prairie thing as well. Yeah, it actually worked out really well. So now the kids go to the university really early. It worked out really well. But every other one

of my compatriots from work is currently a divorced couple. I think out of my college class, everybody but one. It's amazing. Well, it's been, for my, you know, I don't, I don't, from my eyes, it's been this slow encouragement of like, well, getting divorced is is almost hip. And I don't know if that, you know, I'm not saying, I'll say this again and again again. I'm not saying never get divorced. I'm not saying there isn't some circumstances, some outliers where maybe it is for the best to get divorced. But on the by and large, the whole thing, I go, what can you do better? Like, what have you done?

and like and how much energy you know when you're talking about prepping you know our entire conversation on prepping uh kind of fits into marriage like it sounds so stupid but at the same time it's like well what are you doing in your marriage to make sure that it's strong because when stressful times come you rely on the other person immensely and if you aren't putting things into place there If you aren't putting energy and building on that and making it stronger for when the tough times for sure will come in their very unique ways for each of us, you know, then then you risk divorce. And, you know, although divorce can happen and in some cases, there's probably people watching them, well, I got divorce. I'm fine. Okay, fair. But like, I got three young kids.

I don't want that lifestyle for them. I don't want anything to do with that. And I just think of everything that comes and like the short, you know, the short. term gain one might have from getting that, the long-term pain of having to live apart and then assuming, you know, I always put it towards having kids as well, then getting your kids every second week and or on and on and on, that goes. And then putting them through that system. And then probably on top of it all, Ian, because we've talked a lot about this, is how much government gets to come into that now, into your relationship, into your family, because of, The choices you've made. Well, nobody wins except for the lawyers in a court case for divorce, that's for sure. But we talked about earlier about the podcast about, you know, getting to know your neighbors as an important prep.

The reason being is there's a bit of a catchphrase we have in the preparedness world called a mutual assistance group or a mag. And part of the mag is your wife. I mean, because let's face it, if you have a first aid incident, you're chopping wood, you know, you hit yourself on an axe or whatever. Who's going to patch you up? If you're a single parent and you have young kids or whatever, obviously that they might not be able to help. your spouse is your first most important prep because they're there to help you in case for emergency they're there to back you up on on anything whether it be gardening or anything else i mean like i said can't get into too much but uh i mean there's certainly lots of things

you're supposed to do to help you out so i mean your your your prepping advice feels like you know i've come after you know we've been talking now for a little over an hour it feels like Jordan Peterson's 12 rules to life. Like, it feels so simple, it's almost silly. That's what I feel like. I don't mean you're silly. Just that, you know, in my mind, prepping is like this huge thing. You know, you look at Mark Zuckerberg, right?

The big giant bunker he built. You're like, well, maybe if I had the money, maybe I'd do that. I don't know. But is he ever going to use that thing? I mean... He's basically done the equivalent of buying that 25-year shell-flight food. Sure. He's literally gone out and spent a ludicrous amount of money for something that the chances of him

actually needing or zero unless maybe he knows something we don't but I'm just saying like the reality is it's probably never going to use it and really if the locals got angry enough they just cement him in there and that'd be his resting place maybe maybe we should you know not saying anybody be upset about that but I'm just saying uh yeah no it's it is common sense the problem is with the way that social media has gone um not just like uh you know tv shows everything else they've gone on their way to say well you don't need to do that that's just silly you know if something happens the government will be there female will be there next week you know know, in case of Hurricane Katrina or whatever,

they've taught people to be less and less reliance. So going back to the basics, yeah, we've just touched on the surface for so much stuff, and there's so many rabbit holes we could go down. But the reality is, is like, if you went back to the basics, a lot of us would be far better off. Even if it just boils down to you don't need the latest and greatest everything, don't run up your debt load. You know, whether it be the latest iPhone or, you know,

the latest trendies, stylish clothes, if that's what you're after or the latest car or whatever, maybe just not go for those things. and be a little more financially independent, which is a form of preparedness. It's not that big of a leap. It's just it seems that, like I said, the stigma attached to the word prepper nowadays has unfortunately caused a bit of a disservice to a lot of people because they don't want to be seen as those fringe outliers, right? Yeah, well, and I just, I go to the extreme.

My brain goes from prepper to extreme cases, right? Like World War III, ice storm, power, you know, like I, I, I, I see. would happen here in Alberta, I'm like, that's a very real possibility. I mean, it's almost just played out. And so you're like, that's where my brain goes less so than everyday what's going on in my life. And it's, it's funny, the way you're putting it to me is just like, if you add these things into your everyday life, you will be better for it. And if the worst ever does come, you'll be prepared. You know, just fall back on what you've already been doing every day of your life. Yeah, without the fearmongering involved. I mean, society does hang by a very thin thread, you

know in the form of a power grid, an internet, you know, and a food supply system that's just in time. Any one of those three gives out, it's kind of like a big deal nowadays, right? Current employer right now that I have, if the internet goes out, all of our airplanes can't get airborne. And 20 years ago, that was an impossibility. But now it sounds like everything's so interlainth that it's crazy how fast it takes for something to fall apart. So again, power goes out. You think about, you know, most people are using like a forced airfare. furnaces, you know, won't run without a backup generator at home.

You know, heat pumps that Trudeau keeps on pushing won't work. They won't even work below minus 10 or something like that anyway, but, you know, don't let facts get in the way or anything. Like even even people having a backup light source, like a flashlight, you know, it just seems people won't even go to the dollar on a flashlight because, don't worry. It's like a light that all work out well. And, you know, having a flashlight and a few spare batteries doesn't sound like an extreme

case, but it is for some people. isn't that wild that you can't get airborne without the internet is that because like the plane won't run or because they can't see what planes are coming in and it's so busy well they can't do with the plane not actually run or they wouldn't allow you in the sky both uh yes

so what it was the plane will still run of course like if the internet goes out and planes and flights that's fine but it was we can't generate a flight plan uh so we can't file a flight plan with air traffic control Air traffic control us because they can't keep track for so many planes at once. They won't give us clearance for takeoff because there'd be like a bunch of mosquitoes in the sky that they can't control. And they wouldn't be able to send clearances back and forth to the next sector of air traffic controllers and everything else. So they basically just put a halt to everything.

So the planes will still start and you can still run them around the ground and stuff, but they'll never let you get airborne because there's just too many of us. And so without the internet, we're at this point in time, we're pretty much dead in the water. man in the internet you know you want to you want to toss out a hypothetical the internet ever goes down or something along that lines you just think of how interconnect you don't want to talk about how um dependent we are on things well just look at this show folks you know like how are you even getting this yeah and and and and and how am i talking to Ian this morning and you you go down that rabbit hole on how reliant we've become on the internet oh boy right like that's that's a big one Well, compare and contrast 2003, the power outage in Ontario. We were able to go to the 7-11 and pay cash for, you know, stuff we needed, right? Nowadays, like, they literally will not sell it to you, even if you have cash because, A, well, there's a bunch of problems. The cashier can't do basic math, so they can't give you change because they're incapable of doing basic math without their iPhone. B, they won't sell you anything because they don't want to mess up their inventory, which is computer base,

which also dictates how they order food and get their just-in-type deliveries. So unless they want to re-inventory the store after the power. They're never going to sell you anything. And then see if the power goes out or the interstate goes out, the cash registers won't work. So it's not like the old push button, click, clink, clink, shook, and the cash register opens. None of those exist anymore.

Well, we went to Tucker Carlson at Rogers Place in Emmington, and they won't accept cash in Rogers Place. You're like, you won't accept cash? No, no. but legally they have to but they won't but i have i have money here yeah i don't know it kind of reminds me of i um forgot my credit card one day uh on my travels to emminton and you know how hard it was to get a hotel room almost impossible also without a piece of my i had i had my i had my i had my i just didn't have my credit card yeah and i had i could book everything online but you still

needed and I'm just like this is this makes zero sense I'll go I'll go pay for it I'll overpay for it you give me the cash back and the right like common sense is not there anymore because we're so reliant on this system where you need to have all these checks in place but what if you do this what if you do that I don't know you you can you can you can keep my idea you can I don't know like I just need a place to stay no also makes for a very good mechanism of control if you have the ability to turn off the off switch like the trucker convoy people like you know, it didn't take much for them to get it financially demonetized, so to speak, just because they did wrong think for lack of a better term.

So if you imagine to extrapolate that out a bit till we're a cashless society, which I think Sweden is going cashless right now. It provides, you know, the overlords with a remote control switch. Everybody, everybody that I've been following talking to is talking about, you know, CBDCs. And the fact that that's coming for us faster than we think. and the fact that we got, you know, sports venues, entertainment venues, I guess, that are no longer accepting cash.

It's like, it's already partially here, folks. Like, it just hasn't been called the new name. Yeah, and I think the next major emergency, it doesn't matter what it is. The governments love using emergencies to push software through, whether it be, you know, Patriot Act with 9-11 and everything else, COVID with some of the emergencies act stuff. But in reality, it's like, yeah, next major emergency,

they'll be like, oh, you know, the best thing that could happen is we could, especially for these CBCC, could be safer, maybe more hygienic, maybe more whatever. They'll find a reason people be afraid enough to sign off on. That money is dirty. Yeah, that's a disease on that money. Dirty, dirty money.

So it won't take much for people to sign off on it because if you're, again, it's a great motivator, right? It's going to force people to do stuff, give up their freedoms for a sense of security. Well, you know, I appreciate you hopping on today. And, well, you know, I'm going to assume that in the future I'm going to have more prepping questions, I just assume. and would love to have you back. And saying that, where can people find you again for if they're wanting to hear more sooner?

Well, more sooner, Canadian Prepper Podcast, 9 p.m. Eastern Sunday evenings on YouTube. We also, I think, transmit on Facebook, but I have nothing to do with that. And you can always email us at Feedback at Prepperpodcast.ca. Cool. Well, thank you, sir, for hopping on. And you, sir, have a great day. My pleasure. Thank you.