Shaun Newman Podcast - #601 - Brother’s Roundtable

Episode Date: March 14, 2024

The brothers hopped on to discuss the NHL trade deadline, Oilers, and predictions on the playoffs. If you’ve never tuned into one of these before its all sports and a ton of banter. We discussed the first Brothers Roundtable which happened February 2019 and listened to clips to see who was getting things right back then. SNP Presents returns April 27th Tickets Below:https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone/ Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Phone [phone] – general sales line, ask for Grahame and be sure to let us know you’re an SNP listener.

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Welcome to the show name of a podcast. joined by the brothers today. First one of the year, boys. Long time. Well, it's been since June, I don't know, what did we do our last one, right before the, do we do it right before free agent signing? Or do we do it right after free agent signing? It's right in that time frame.

I can't remember now. But we did, for the new listener, we do the Brothers Roundtable starting in the NHL playoffs every Thursday for about two months straight. It's a lot of fun. It's a big commitment. Can't wait. see what my paycheck is this year. Well, how will we start there, hey?

Dustin's earning a cool mint. Welcome into the studio this time around. You know, Jay, you always joke. Nobody listens to this. Where's my paycheck? Well, it's not much, you know, silver gold bull. There you go. That's pretty cool.

How about that? Yeah, that is really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Well, you've got me locked in for this year. It's a one-year deal. One more year.

signing bonus he's like oh yeah now I'm back in so what we do on the brother's round table the reason we're back in before the playoff push we do one at the after the trade deadline because now you got this little

you know what do we got how many games left 20-ish 20-ish and then it moves into the playoffs once the playoffs start that opening around we'll start recording once a week but we five years ago almost to the day almost.

We did the first ever, but there was around table. And so it was right after the trade deadline. I thought I'd pull a couple clips here. You know, as much as we've teased Harley, I think Harley has the best track record of this show. So if anyone's listening, how about this, okay? We're talking about the trade deadline. Here we go.

Personally, I guess picking up stolen. I know it's an eight-year deal, but he's 26. That takes him to 34. I mean, even he should still be able to produce even by the time he's hitting his 33, 34th year. So, I like it.

Okay, that's one. He's been hurt half the time. And it's worked out great for VIX. Oh, they want a cup. He's been on LTIR so they can pick up extra guys. It's been perfect. I'm sure that's why they sign up. If he comes back for the playoff run, which is going to happen. Which is going to happen. Right? No, we got

you got to go out there and say. When is the NHL going to fix that? Or do that. They got to fix it. They got to fix it. Because how many years in a row? Landisca's coming back for Colorado now, too. Right?

Yeah, they figure second round maybe. But, I mean, if you bring back Landisog, he's going to be a useless tool out there to you anyway. I don't know. I'm going to say a landa scog that hasn't played in a year and a half is still a better third, fourth line guy than a lot of other guys. Plus he's your captain. It's going to take him a little bit to get going and the swing of things is all right. I'd take them. I don't know.

At the end of the day, whether it was good or bad trade, I would say Harley's on the right side of it. They won a cup, and Stone was a huge part of it. Was he not? Yes. All right. Cudos for Harley. Harley's right.

Okay. Do you have something that we're balloon? Can you tell my wife? Can you tell my wife that I'm right? Harley number two. So who's your next tire? I wouldn't have seen Mark Hunter. Yeah, that's not a bad idea.

The interesting thing for me is, Stevie Y is done with Tampa Bay. I've heard rumors that Stevie Y is going back to Detroit, which then pulls out Ken Holland. Is Ken Holland the right fit? I don't know. But there's a big, big name player that's sitting out there. And then I proceed to tell Harley, he's not available.

Stevie Y I'd take, you know? And Harley goes two for two. It'd be on the next roundtable on Dustin's 40th. Then me and Dust would get into it, not on air, about whether Ken Holland was direct. right fit regardless Harley goes two for two Stone wins a cup Ken Holland's been the best GM the others have had

since I got to change my opinion of Harley after this Kevin Lowell Kevin Lowell No Kevin Lowell yeah I'm gonna go through Kevin Lowe because he brought in Pronger and they went to the finals And they went to the finals 100% Now everybody stares at Kevin Lowe and goes yeah and then you traded Pronger but I mean there's Yeah but that wasn't Kevin Lowe wanting to trade

Pronger right right he brought in Kevin he brought in That's what happens when you start messing with the ladies at the weather station That's true Two for two okay then we have some fun. The prediction side of it was rather, I'm like, did Harley get that, Harley got that right? And I believe if we recall last year in the playoffs,

I think Harley toasted us all, did he not? I think he did. Me and Jay were on the lowest side. I don't really remember. I'm more here for, I'm kind of more of a salesman guy, so I just keep talking, right? Every once in a while something comes right, but it's about having people believe in the now, right?

You can have one player that wins you the whole series. So do I have a problem with him sitting? Exactly. Do I got a problem with him sitting? No. Even if I was paying to go watch, no. Because you've got a much better chance and winning the whole thing

as if he's healthy in the playoffs. Who's he talking about? I guess I... We're talking about the rafters. Football in different places, you just... I wonder about the teammates and everybody else. Is that the year they won? Now you're just...

So one guy's more important. You know, to me, you're trying to build a team over the season where everybody, slowly comes together and you're band of brothers and you get to where you will take a bullet for the guy or block a shot or take a hit to make the play and that comes from caring and and coming together as a team and then them team's pinnacle and you get a little bit lucky injuries and you get a little bit lucky where that one went off the post and end rather than out and you win a championship and there's not a better feeling and how are you building a team where this guy doesn't have to play every game because his

foot sore he's been a band-aid in the past or you know his his attitude is is that he's how can he have the attitude where I'm a leader of this team this is my team we're going to go out and battle every night but I'm going to sit on the bench boys because I'm really more important than everybody else here and and we want to win a championship here because trauma's really important to me especially when probably I'm not going to be there next year I just you know I don't know it's just not my stop so maybe this is going to be awesome Toronto's going to win you know team in the north we're going to do it I just deck. That's wrong out with that.

That's Jamie. We're talking about Kauai Letter because he wasn't playing all the time. He got traded, right? And who goes on to win the NBA championships? The Toronto Raptors. Right? You're right. He didn't go back. But you were... I also won a championship. And he actually

looked good on that shot that went bounce, bouncing. Yeah. Well, I mean, every once in a while. The team chemistry was terrible. I was going to... Probably terrible. Just the end of that. I could see Dustin going, like, Where is this going? I'm like, it's going because the Toronto Rafters win it all. And Jay's going, yeah, man, it's just dating for me.

Hey, hey, I'm bang on there. You had a very good point. Obviously, I'm not a basketball, right? Apparently, the only skill I have is talking about basketball, which I know. Maybe we should talk about tennis, eh? Maybe bowling. Maybe bowling contest. Should we talk about bowling where it's one guy winning a championship?

Team chemistry is a problem in that bowling squad, though. Talking to actually Doug Palatiske about it after we won there in double over time just this past weekend. about when he's going to retire. And he said, and I think I quote here, I will retire when they tell me to stop showing up to the rank. And Doug is 36, I believe. And Doug is still playing, and he's still saying the same thing.

You just tell me when he's going on there. And he still played, and he played over three cores of the games, and still was a starting top six defenseman. Even if everybody was there, he was a starting top six defenseman this year in the four games of playoffs. At 41? 41, 42, somewhere near? you want to like.

So shout out to Doug Volatowski, because that's five years ago, right? Now he's in his early 40s, still labor and still giving her, still dressing. Is he going to be the Yarmory Jager of the Hillmont Hitman? He probably already is. Well, I don't know how late did Kurt Tenney or Bob Lindsay play? No, Bob might have been in his 40s. I don't think Kurt was. He must be wrong.

He must be close. He must be close. I remember battling him with him in the corner. I mean, Bob still plays in the dust. Must he mad. Yeah. But, like, not late in his 40s still playing senior. No.

He was coaching. Coached my first year. I was 26, then. How was Bob? I don't know. Bobby, I don't know how old you are. Anyways. He's a young-looking lad.

I thought that was a good one. And then here's the final one, and we'll get on to now instead of five years ago. And that's what you want to see starting in Emmington. You're not making four trades just to make four trades, so dust is happy at the table. What you're wanting to do is make quality. quality trades and sometimes quality trades is lack.

Okay, so everyone just ragging on me. Honestly, honestly, I didn't mind getting rid of who did they trade for Gagne? I mean, Spooner. Spooner, right. Everlady. Everlady Gondier. Yeah. Everlady gone to both guys.

That worked out. It's all one big fucking circle. Oh, that. I heard that, yeah. That was the first F-bomb on the, Sean Nguerner. podcast ever. Now, Toos would laugh about that because twos, you know, has really taken over that

realm, but there you go. There's some clips from five years ago in February. Isn't it ironic that Gagne's all the way back with the Oilers again? So it is one big circle. You know what I noticed is you didn't have any clips on when I was right? I'm sure there's a lot of clips there. So Sean's not putting

any clips there. I tell you what, as we get closer to you know, when we get rolling with the NHL playoffs, maybe what I'll do is I'll go through them. Because we've done over the course of the year, quite a few. I think it was like 10 before we did the string last year. So maybe what I'll do is I'll go back and have a little fun,

listen to a few of them and pull out some fun clips that we can talk about at the start of every new Brothers Roundtable. I think we just ended right there. Harley's right. We'll leave it at that. I tell you what, you had the two best, the two best predictions out of there. Now, Stone's injuries, okay, fair enough. Ken Hallam was bang on.

And I argue for Stevie I for quite some time. and well that didn't come to fruition what ended up happening Stevie Y to Detroit and Ken Holland O'K comes to Amiton. So what's happening this year, Harle's? I'm going to just sit back and enjoy my win, I think. No predictions this year. Well, let's talk about the trade deadline. What did you think of the Oilers trade deadline?

If you were new to this show, all four of us Yahoo's are Euler fans. Sorry Flames fans. We're going to probably crap on you a little bit here at some point. But at the end of the day, Oilers fans first. I want to do get a little bit of Toronto. I want to talk Vancouver. We can talk to Flames, too, for that matter. We are in Alberta.

Well, Grubber would appreciate it. Sure. Let's start with the Oilers, right? Stetcher, Henrik, Carrick. I throw Perry in because they got them for, you know, I know it wasn't right at the deadline, but, I mean, they did. What did you think of it? I thought they did exactly what they needed to do.

When I look at Henrique, that's the player they needed to have up front. In my mind, third line center can play wing. veteran been around. I like that move a lot. And then they needed a 7th D man, which I guess Stetcher is. It's fine. Carrick is fine as a centerman adding a little bit of sandpaper and Perry's also a good move. In my mind, they needed to tweak because they're already a really good team.

And that's what they did. And I think they tweaked in the right way. Well, I'm struggling with it because I would agree with dust, but I've been proven that for the last five years I've been wrong. So I feel like to go the opposite way and say it was terrible, that they should have went and got an absolute number one defenseman, and they should have went and got a legit top six forward rather than some guy who's been a middling guy,

even though my gut says that what Dustin's saying is right, but my proof says that I'm wrong. I wish they would have picked up instead of a seventh D man, a number four, like to push some people down. I'm just curious, you know what, there was a little bit of talk out there for a guy like Seth Jones, you know, and it would have taken a lot. But I'd be curious what the line.

it looks like if you inject that in there rather than Sam Carrick, rather than choice stature. Here's the thing about Seth Jones the way I look at it is the Oilers are a very good team right now. And if you do major surgery by pulling guys out and throwing Seth Jones in at the deadline, I don't know if there's enough time for that to be incorporated before the playoffs because it takes some adjustment time. I would support that.

I don't know. They brought it in Pronger for one year. Yeah, yeah, but they didn't bring him in at the trade deadline. No, no, that's right. What I'm saying is in the off season, I would think. that you take a run at that. And who knows, maybe they tried and they couldn't get it done. I mean, and that's one thing we've always said is sitting here.

We don't know all the intricacies going around there. Yes. But I'd support going after Seth Jones in the offseason. Now, now what we all want to know is Harley, what do you think? Because you seem to be on to something here. Actually, I agree with us that it was what they needed to be done. In saying all that, you're now probably pushing Brown out of the lineup. You're probably pushing Ryan out of the lineup at some point here,

right? It's giving you some depth. I just have goal. Could we have traded one of them guys getting dumping some salary? You still have another million bucks on the line. Is there a way that we can maybe add a number six forward rate and push everybody down a little bit? Do you wish they had made a move? But they got lots of depth. Not that they could have done the same moves, but do you wish they would have added something like Hannafin or Manta, like Vegas did? Like, would you- Just fitting them in under the cap, though, was a challenge. I know.

My guy was, I liked Gensel, right? Like, Boone Jenner, Gensel, there's some intangibles with some of them guys. For me, Manta doesn't really push the- How do you get Gensel under the cap, though? What I find an interest from Vegas, everybody loves what Vegas did because they got all this cap room from Stone, so now they've added all these guys. But Hanofen's never been, if you listen to a Calgary Flame guy, nobody's really upset to see Hanofan go.

They were way more Tannov than Hanofan. And Anthony Manta's getting paid over $5 million and has been a very lackluster type player. So now that I've said that, Vegas will roll. Math is going to win the MVP. But that's, you know, they got all these

names, but I don't know, like that's why I like the Henrique trade, though. He's not a big name guy. No, I know. But he brings a lot of intangibles. He's been there before, 34, veteran. Everyone, you know, around him said he's just a great leadership guy. I'll go do anything you need him to do.

He's not going to get worked up. He's not going to cause drama. That's the guy that they need. Well, and I agree with you, does. That's how my gut feels, too. I went to the opposite just because of the past. But I do agree with you that they just seem to fill holes, right? And then they've got a lot of experience.

They went to the second and third round last years, third round and then second round, right? They're right there. You're not winning the cup because you picked up Corey Perry. He's, he's. He's filling a gap. They win the cup because McDavid and Drysidal are going to be better than everybody. But the one thing about Perry is he will literally do anything to win the cup. That's right.

And those are, everyone says they will, but Perry's proven it for his entire NHL career. There's no one under the sun who drives me more insane than Cory Perry. And to see him wearing an oiler jersey and score some of the goals he scored since joining them. Or some of the fights he's had. Yeah. Oh, we're down 3-1 and all of a sudden Perry's fighting some guy. Wrong character as well. It's the last time I had a guy like that.

Kane. Kane's kind of the same. But he hasn't had the same mojo this year. But that first year when he came in, that playoff and they were down to nothing. And middle of the second period, nothing's going on. And all of a sudden he's hacking a guy on the top of the foot out of face off in the middle of the zone. Doesn't I feel like we're a little more prepared to walk into L.A. and Vegas with Evane and Corey Perry and Sam Carrey. and a little more, you guys want to do this, let's go.

So Harley mentioned having too many forwards, but I actually like that they have too many guys at the moment, so you can move guys in and out of the lineup, depending on what you need. Someone gets hurt, it's not the end of the world. Now, if it's McDavid or dry, so you're screwed. But if it's any of your bottom two line guys, like if Derek Ryan gets hurt, it's no big deal.

Move the next guy in. If, you know, Corey Perry gets hurt, it's not a big deal. Move the next guy in. You got lots of options there. You know, I'd be interested if Sean could find a clip from one of us talking about the science, of Zach Hyman to see what we thought about it then because that has been probably

maybe pound for pound the best signing in the NHL in the last five years what is the number three or number four goals scored this year I don't think at five and a half million a year locked in for another like five years yeah he's been good he's fit their system extremely well and he brings everybody into the battle he's another guy he the coolest thing I don't maybe lots of NHEL they do this but on the power play. You ever notice how he just like stands at the corner of the net almost becomes like a bumper. So they just bounce puckson off of them. Like I'm like, I've never seen it. In all my years of playing hockey, I've never seen anyone do that before. I used to teach my kids in like novice hockey

to do that. Like you're not going to be able to score. So just stand up the side of the net. We're going on the novice hockey. Dustin also taught his goalies in novice hockey just to lay down it's true. It's true. It's the best way you can make a save. Just lay there. Anything else stick out to you from trade deadline. What Pittsburgh didn't do, and what are they going to do going forward? So, yeah, they traded against them. But what are they going to do with Latang and Malcol? Like, they're missing the playoffs this year.

Well, and they got Jeff Carter. Like, they've got, like, I don't know where do you go? Right now, Pittsburgh Penguins sit second last in the metro and fourth last in all of these. Like, they're not making it this year. If you're the GM of that team, where's your mindset going forward? I would have thought that the GM they've got would be making some. some moves and I keep looking at what he's doing and I'm like like what is they doing there I don't get it they're stuck in limbo because I mean Malkin right now is still worth quite a bit at 6.1 for another

couple years point per game guy crosbie at 8.7 right I mean you're getting one of the premier guys wow but will crosbie leave Pittsburgh that's the better question no and you're probably right as Littang malcolm and crosbie all probably have no yeah and they've been the longest standing trio of guys to play together yeah in the NHL I think which is all great and fine and down. I understand, no, no, no, but you're, you're picking on those street. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, uh, Riley, uh, Riley, or Riley Smith, I mean, how about Riley Smith? He didn't move. You know, Marcus Patterson. There's just some names are that they could have got some decent returns on,

and they just didn't move anybody. So, like, are they, I don't know what they're hoping for. If you're Crosby, are you, are you, are you, like, if they come and say, hey, Crosby, we could, we could literally get a boatload for you. Would you go play, for, you know, I don't know. Colorado? Yeah, people talk Colorado. Because he's friends of the McKinnon. It's interesting.

I'm not sure how his mindset is. That's a tough one for me, whether Crosby goes or stays. Like, I can see him, like, Mario never moved. So does he stay there to be the lifer? Does he pull a Ray Bork and just leave it? And that's the other thing. He's won some cups, so it's a little bit different. He's going to have a statue in Pittsburgh.

Is he not? At this point, it's something. At this point, it's cemented. It's not like, you know, but we're hockey players. Everybody wants to be Stevie Y. Well, and that's it. You want to stay there until you have no chance of winning. Then do you really want to stay there and go through your last two or three years like that?

Patty Kane didn't. I was watching the last dance again, Michael Jordan. And they were talking about, they approached him after they won the sixth title and said, yeah, we're going to blow it up. We'd like to keep you around for the rebuild, though. And he said, yeah, no. I'm good. Like, do you really, like, you just went through all this. You built up a great team.

Won all these championships. Your team's on the downslide. You're in your twilight years. Do you really want to stay around for the rebuild? Rebuild's not fun no matter where you're at. No. Losing is not fun. Losing is not fun.

That's maybe why the GM tried to do what he did this year maybe is like, well, we have to blow it up or are we trying to do something to try and get us back, but they're just too old and not good enough anymore. Well, every year that goes by, it's just one, like, it's not, like they got all these guys come up through the pipeline so you're like where are you going here well it's like Tampa Bay to me I look at Tampa Bay and they've lost a step watching the one game I think they're playing St. Louis and like they were just getting outskated all over the place and I don't know that that whole team has just gotten one more a year older

right it's the same thing with Pittsburgh they've gotten one more year older they've lost a little bit so you look at some of the teams that won over the last 10 15 years and you got Chicago, Tampa Bay, and Pittsburgh. I'm going to hold on to LA for a second. I'm talking three of the four because all three have gotten to the point. And Chicago's obviously blown it up and started over. But Tampa Bay is better than the rest of them, but you can tell they're past their window. Pittsburgh hasn't blown it up yet, but they're not good anymore.

And Tampa? LA is the only team that's managed to reinvent themselves with some of the. Retool on the fly. Yes. And they've done a good job of it. They're a really good team this year. The one thing about Tampa dust is Tampa also is later in, like, they're the back end of it. Right.

So, like, Chicago was the first. Them in Pittsburgh were like neck and neck, maybe even Pittsburgh is the first, where they're winning, and now you're starting to see the effects. Yeah. Then Chicago, then Tampa. Yeah. Tampa's the- But Tampa's not in the conversation yet because they're still in the playoffs. They're still in the playoffs. And they still have the lead in schooler of the league.

And they still have, if Fazelleschi gets hot in the playoffs, one of the best goalies in league, and in Hedman, they have a legit number one defense. So I'm not ready to, they're a playoff team. This isn't a team even fight for the playoffs. These guys are going to be there. But once again, Tampa won in 2020 and 2021, right? Whereas Pittsburgh won 2016, 2017, and then you have to go back further. Chicago Blackhawks 2015.

And I realize they all won, like, they won cups before that. But that's where they are in the cycle of things. Yes. And Chicago's at the bottom of the league. And Pittsburgh is going down the toilet right now. Yes. Right? So what do you do with your, just,

three superstars who've played together for a long time. You brought in Eric Carlson. You had these pieces. You thought maybe we've got to go and it ain't working. And you go, so what do you do? Eric Carlson was such a funny signing for them. When I looked at their team, I'm like, Eric Carlson's not the guy they need. Really?

100 point guy dust. Now, I realize that, but 100 points or points, Jay. Sometimes it's not about the points. Eckholm being a prime example. Sell high. Sounds they did. Toronto Maple Leaf. you know, I feel bad for Toronto and away

because, you know, they're at where they got to go here, right? Like, they got to win. Tavaris isn't getting any younger. They got, you know, a marquee guy like Matthews. Neelander's having a career year. And yet they got to get through Florida and they got to get through Carolina who only added guys like Teresanko and Gensel and. And to Boston who they haven't been able to, you know,

Right. And I don't like Toronto's team. And that's what I'm saying, though. This is a team that's got some legit superstars that have been trying to build. Now, to be fair to Toronto, before I dump all over, Toronto reminds me of a team that added at the start of the year rather than of the trade deadline. So if we were sitting here talking right now how they just added Bertuzi and they just added Max Domi and they just added some of them guys, you go, hey, them are pretty good pickups. But they add them at the start of the year. Like you look at their top six is legit.

The problem I have with Toronto isn't their forwards though. No. Their defense and goaltending is the thing that worries me with them. Agreed. I just don't look at their defense and go.

Well, I don't disagree with you. I mean, they're going to be in tough to beat Carolinas and the Rangers and Florida's. But sometimes a team like that, this is the year, it always reminds me of where everybody's not talking about them. Yeah. And then all of a sudden,

we'll see what happens. I always think back to, and you're a big pre-trauma. on this you work from your net out and I just got no confidence in their goalie or their D right and you know it's great that you got guys that can put the puck in the net emminton's had that same same same been in that same position for years right but if you don't have goal tending and like I mean you go the opposite way and you go you know and Winnipeg is going to be a terrible example but Helbut could steal a series just by himself right you don't have

that in Toronto the defense like I don't know how they're going to be defending against a couple average goalies that they've got there. To me, that's not a winning formula. Who is the last team to make the Stanley Cup finals, or heck win it if you want, without a strong back end and goaltending? I remember Philadelphia made the final with a string of goalies. But they didn't win. They didn't win, but they went to the final.

That's when Scotty Hartnell was there. I'm trying to remember who their big D-Men were back. Chicago won a cup with a cup with defense that was pretty subpar. I agree with dust. Pittsburgh's, that one year, Pittsburgh won the cup. What did you just say? Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh had a year that they, their defense was awful.

I agree with dust. What year were we talking about? They got Latang. And that was when Matt Murray played out of his mind. Yes. And they had Kessel playing on the third line. Yep. And he was done.

But their defense was very average and Latang was hurt half the time. And it wasn't great. Yeah. And they just moved. Gumolin and they moved a bunch of guys that were very average. But that's a year they moved the puck ridiculously fast, right? The forwards were dynamite. Dynamite.

Like they forechecked the crap out of everyone and were fast. And on the flip side, yes. Because it wasn't at the time, if memory serves me correct, everyone thought all the league's going real big. It's going to be this big. And then Pittsburgh came out and they were this fast team. They just moved the puck so fast, the entire game. Yeah.

Now everybody does it. Yeah. Well, and then you go back to Chicago had the Emmy that one year. right who is yeah but you always bring up Chicago and then I go in they had Duncan Keith right

so they had the opposite of what Pittsburgh had that year right Pittsburgh Matt Marie was on fire the whole playoffs defense was very average right bought into a system though I'd say

so it can be done the Leafs can do I was thinking Chris Ozga in Detroit now the rest of the team was awesome yes yeah they had he was one of the most winning goalies that was average

yes yes but he also 15 to 20 shots a game and he had the great arguably the greatest defenseman to ever play in front of them. That's why, like, if you have, if you have the, if you have Patrick won that, arguably the best goalie of all time, Dominic Hasick, can you make up for poor defense? Yes. And if you have the greatest defense in front, can they make up for poor goaltending? Well, you bring up Lydstrom, but they also had cellios who was, I know.

Their whole defense was. They're a whole entire, but I'm just saying to anchor it, the Emmington honors a year they go to the play, it's down in the finals. They have arguably the best defenseman at that time in Chris Pronger. And he made up for a lot of problems on that back end. Yes. And ate a lot of minutes. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's playing 30 minutes.

See, maybe the worst team to ever make the – I don't know this for a fact. But one of the worst teams to ever make the finals was Buffalo Sabres in 99. But they had out of this world goalie in Haschick. Yes. But you look back, like they're players. Do you look at that team? We talked about this five years ago.

Dust brought it up and you seconded him. There's Dominic Hasick talking about the top goalies. Austin Matthews has... It takes J.5 years to catch up. Austin Matthews has 54 goals. How many is he getting this year? 70. Thank you, he gets there.

How big down close. And then the leading point... Is that why Harley's always right? Because he's just around... Hey, well, see, he's close. Is he close? Is he hitting it or not Harles? Well, hey, the other ones, I said exactly my piece, right?

Is he hitting 70? What does it matter to be? Is he hit 70? Sure, he hits 70. There we go. Sounds like a ball. You heard it here first. In five years, we're going to hear that same answer.

I'd say he's going to get between 60 and 70. Somewhere between 68 and 70. Nathan McKinnon leads the league right now 111 points. Kuthoroff 107, McDavid, 103. What is the high mark on points, and who is it going to be? It's going to be McDavid. They've got four games in hand on pretty much everybody right now. and he has closed that gap so fast.

And how many points is he behind right now? Well, he's eight points back of the league. I'll go 135 with McDavid. 135? Ah, he'd been against McDavid. I know. 127. What's he at right now?

103. And how many games he got left? 19. 19? Is that what it is? So I'll go 141 with McDavid. Two points a game average over the last 19. a question for you guys. I know this is Sean

show, but I'm going to ask the question is who do you think are the two teams in each side that are the strongest or you know you wouldn't want to face in the playoffs? The team you don't want to face for me is for sure right off top of my head is the Dallas Stars

in the West. They are three deep with lines that can score. They've been to the finals, what was it, two or three years ago? So they got a lot of veteran savvy. They got one of the top defensemen in Leagu and High School. I got a great Goaltender. Great goal tenor.

I don't see a lot of weaknesses there. That's a team that scares me if I'm in the West. Well, on the top in the Central is the Stars, then the Jets, then the Colorado Avalanche. I don't want to play the Jets. In the West, you got the Canucks, the Oilers, the Kings, and the Golden Knights are sitting in fourth. Well, and I'll be honest. I mean, we're talking as older fans, but if I'm just a guy in the West, I don't want to face the Oilers. No.

I mean, these guys, they have two lines for sure that will every shift look to score. Like, yeah, we're going to go try and shut them down, and we're going to play our systems. and that's not a team I want to face. Right? I don't want to face Dallas. I do not want to face Emmetton. So I was going to go with the Oilers and the Kings, although I get your point on Dallas, for sure.

I think the Kings are awfully good again. I don't like facing them in the playoffs. Does L.A. have the goaltending to hold up? I don't know. See, and I would put Winnipeg ahead of L.A. for me. Winnipeg and Vancouver do not scare me. And I realize they've been good all this year. The reason why they don't scare me is because they missed the playoffs last year,

both of them. like they've overachieved in the regular season. And to me, that just they're set up for a letdown. I don't think they're going place in the playoffs. No, I disagree. I think Winnipeg could make some noise. I agree with you with Vancouver, Vancouver, especially now with Demko being hurt.

And then... No, I didn't even know Demko was hurt. Did Winnipeg made the playoffs last year? I think he's out for the next month is what they figure. Didn't Winnipeg missed last year? No, no. Because I predicted them win the first round and then they lost the Vegas. Dustin can't even predict something that actually happened.

What if Vague lost to Vegas, first round last year? Oh. What about in the east? Okay, in the east. Well, we'll start with Harley. We'll start with Harley. Here's your top three teams in each of the Atlantic and then the metro. Panthers, Bruins, Maple Leafs, and lightning sitting forth if we're, if we're, and then on the other side, you get the Rangers, Hurricanes, Carolina, and the Philadelphia Flyers.

I know people are probably going to say, the Rangers or the hurricanes, but I look at Florida, I do not want to play them. And how do you argue against playing Boston? To me, I think that they've a little bit overachieved, but... So if you're the main beliefs, you're like, crap, because you're facing one of those two in the first round. Oh, absolutely. And I don't know how Toronto gets passed either of those teams, but that's just me, I guess. I think Boston has overachieved, and I think that they will struggle.

to, you know, they might win a first round. I'm not saying they can't beat Tron or whatever. I don't see Boston going to the finals. But this is what we're talking about. We're talking about, no, no, no. We're talking about who's the two teams that scare you. Yeah. Well, I do not want to play Florida, and I don't want to play Carolina,

because that team has been in the second or third round for four or five straight years, and they just got it deeper with the two guys they added with, like, that's just a team I don't want to play. Carolina Healthy is a team that you look at on that side, and you go, I don't want to play them. Well, and never mind. any of it, do you really want to go up against Rod Brindamore as a coach? He gets the most out of his players.

The Hillman-Hitman would like to go against Brinmore. We just need a little better power play. Speaking of the senior, it'll be game three. P. Hill up 2-0 on the Lashburn Flyers. And that defense on Paradise Hill, filthy. Like that's a filthy group of hockey players. Plus a Dow and that. Yikes.

Well, and I've heard guys that have went and watched the two games, that's been the difference, right? That defense for Paris Hill is legit, and that's made the difference so far through two. Good defense. For the record, I'm sad Jason went first because I look at Florida and Carolina. The Rangers don't worry me as much.

This is going to be the first time of history we've agreed this much. No, no, no, but I didn't agree. I said L.A. King on Dallas. Makes for boring radio. But the Rangers don't worry me near as much as Carolina. and in Boston doesn't worry me near as much as Florida. In my mind, Florida and Carolina are the two teams that I see going to the finals,

the conference finals. So you're picking Florida, Carolina, which I am too. And then you're picking Emmerton. Well, the problem, Emmington in L.A. would either play in the first round or the second round, and either way it's going to be a great series in my mind. And we don't have to pick right now. I'm telling you right now, right?

So in five years, you can bring this up. Emmetton, Dallas, Carolina, Florida. That's my top four. That's your top four, right? Yeah. I would personally on the east, because I agree with you, if you're a team sitting there, who don't you want to play? Carolina, if they're healthy, is like, they've been Dustin's pick for like five straight years.

But the more you watch them and, like, their atmosphere and they're building everything, like they're a scary team. And then the guys they added, you're like, oh, man, like they're going to be good. On the other side, everybody writes off the Leafs. I wouldn't want to play the Leafs. The Leafs are a good freaking hockey team. It's just whether they can rise to the occasion to get over their demons to win a couple series. Because, like, truth be told, like, over the past, what has it been?

How many years where they just seem to fall apart? Like, they're a world beater. I don't like to tooth the Leafs horn too much because, you know, I think our lovely media does enough of that for them. But that's a team I don't want to play. You know what's funny about the last five years is the strength. and the NHL was in the East five years ago. There was a number of good teams that were fantastic in the East. And I look at right now,

and I think there's better teams in the West or more good teams in the West. Because if you look at, even though I don't like Winnipeg, they're having a great season with Dallas and Colorado, like those are solid teams. And then you look on the other side, you've got Eminton, Vancouver, Vegas, and L.A. Kings.

Like, you've got seven teams that are freaking good there. Now you throw in Nashville's the number eight And whoever gets number one That's what you're aiming for That's what you're aiming for But the other seven are good hockey teams Who's your pick on the West? You don't want to face

Eminton and Let me pull it back up Up until Colorado made their trades I don't I have to like I'd have to keep watching them I didn't want to play Colorado I thought they were they were fantastic

So I'd probably stick with Colorado But then they made their trades at the day deadline and I'm I'm why didn't they trade bull and byrham I don't get that I assume because of contract I'm assuming his contract come because they're they're they're they're loaded on the back end and that's been there not obviously with McKinnon and everything like I get it they have world talent on the front end but like when you watch how mobile their defenses it's unbelievable to watch so I don't I don't want to play the avalanche

myself or the oilers because I mean their top end talent is insane and as long as get steady goal-tending and and like, you know, decent defense, they're going to beat you. Like, they're that good. Does Colorado's defense being small concern you at all, though? No. They've won a cup. And the thing is, it's been a few years, though. But the thing is, like, the NHL, they say all they let more go, but like, I mean, I don't

know. I agree. They've got some holes in there. And, you know, and you go. To me, I just look at their defense and I go, they're a smaller D. Yes, they're a. quick, but playoff same as regular season. Right? And you're going to get banged up and you're going to get leaned on, right?

And so that's my biggest critique on the abs is just... They have the number, in my opinion, maybe minus Victor Hedman, but I've never been the big giant style deemann. They have the number one D man in the NHL and Cal McCarr. He is that good. And so when I look at a team, I'm like, well, who's got the better defense? And that guy makes the entire engine of the Colorado Avalanche, Ron when he's going.

And he makes everybody better. I find it, I find it interesting that not one of us four said Vegas. You know what's funny about Vegas is right now they're not having a great regular season, but they won the cup last year, which you know. And they did have some additions.

They did have some additions. And if you bring Mark Stone in day one of the playoffs, who hardly pointed out was a great addition. Five years ago. Actually, like, like you look at that. Would you really want like,

and they're defending champs, right? So they know what I get done. Prediction over here. Okay. Here we go. Vegas is done first round. I don't think they're making it past first round.

And I'll tell you why. If Stone is injured and like they're talking about spleen, he's had back problems, right? I don't think he's coming back 100%. They got Thomas Hurtle who is just coming off of being on LTIR. He hasn't played most of the year. We're talking about Landisgaugh, right? He hasn't played most of the year. You're hoping that he can get healthy enough for you to come back into the play.

playoffs. And now if you've got, you're relying on two of these guys who are both injured, like to me, it just doesn't speak like, yeah, that's what I'm going into playoffs with. I don't feel confident in that. You know what? There was one time where Patrick Kane was injured just before the playoffs. And I could have put him in my lineup in a draft. And I was like, oh, he's coming back off injury. And he won't do anything, even if he does come back. I don't I don't think he's going to play. And then he came back in game one and got like three points. And I was like, then I think they actually went on to win the cup that year or something stupid.

And I'm like, with regular players you're right, having said that when you've got elite talent, which Mark Stone, you know, is pretty damn good. When it's, they can actually come out and make it difference. When it's Toronto and they do too much, we all rag on Toronto and said they started up too much. When it's Vegas and they do too much, something in me goes, they could probably just handle it. Why is that? I don't know. But right now they're banged up, and so maybe they walk in to be world beaters.

As I look at the standings right now, the teams that scare me, like the Avalanche are a good hockey team. They just are. They're the Tampa Bay Lightning of the West kind of thing, right? Like, they're that good. I don't really want to play them. I hope somebody knocks them out. I hope somebody knocks out the Amint and others. Vegas, I don't know, for some reason, doesn't enerv me as much right now, but they're banged up.

And so when they may walk in game one and be like, oh, boy, here they are in a way they go again. Fair point. You know what Vegas, and I guess to go with Harley's point, you know what Vegas reminds me of right now is you've got to get them out in the first round. That's going to be your chance, because the longer they go be in the defending chance, and if they start to get healthier and get on a run,

then they could be tough. Dark horse. Who on the, we talked about some of the people you don't want to play. Who's a dark horse right now sitting? Who's sitting? Golden Knights are still in. and the Preds are still in. So sitting on the outside looking in is the blues, the Minnesota wild,

and further down on the other is the Seattle Cracken or the Calgary Flames. Either of those dark horses finding away. There's four. The only one for me that's got a shot is, well, I guess maybe Minnesota's got a shot. I think St. Louis would be the dark horse for me. Can we talk about Minnesota's overtime? Sure. Yeah.

I mean, Minnesota pulls the goalie in overtime. and what everybody got talking about is if they got scored on, they actually forfeit a point. Yeah. And I didn't know that rule. If you go into overtime and you pull your goalie, the rule state that if you lose, you forfeit your point. So by them pulling their goalie,

they actually were going to forfeit that one point to try for the two. Why is that? Just a funky rule in the NHL. Why would you do that? Because you're sitting. They're probably looking at the two points. They need the two points. They're sitting six points back of Vegas right now.

And how did that end? They ended up getting the two points. But it's a ballsy play, right? Because, but are you trying to make the playoffs or you're not trying to make the playoffs, right? And you've got to make some ballsy calls if you, so. You're saying, but a dark horse, you look at the West right now and you go, the blues, the wild, the cracking, or the flames. And you go, none of them really go, like, the, there. They're going to make.

They're a long ways out too. And they're relying on, it's less about them. They're relying on Vegas or L.A. or Nashville to drop the ball. That's asking a lot. The blues are nine points out. I know. It's asking a lot. Who's going to drop the ball there?

The West is settled. I feel like that too, unless there's a big injury. In the east, you got Detroit. You got Washington. Man, the caps are ways back, too. But, I mean, okay. Washington's three points out. Yeah, yeah, no, sorry, I meant the devil's.

devil's, sorry. Devils are at what is that? Do you have no faith in the Red Wings or the Capitals? If the Devils could ever make a run? Well, right now the Red Wings are in. Lightning are in, Red Wings are in. Florida, Boston, Toronto. Oh, Red Wings and Islanders

are tied. Apologies, yeah. Yeah. Islanders, I could see Islanders pushing there. I'd say out of all those teams, Islanders, but Red Wings don't scare me. I don't know. There's no real dark horse there, is it?

The dark horse is probably the New Jersey Devils. Does it really surprise you if any of the two make it and the other one doesn't? Like, I don't know. I think the bitter story would be if Jersey got on a run because they do have some legit world talent on that team. That's the only team that if they made a run to get in? Like you could see out of all the teams we're talking about St. Louis, Minnesota, Calgary, Seattle, Washington, Jersey.

And you go, yeah, Jersey, I could see. If they, all of a sudden Jake Allen or Kackenon who they picked up, right, one of them guys steps up to the plate and they get on a roll, you go, okay. That'd be a good story. Wasn't there a problem to defense or a goaltending? Well, yeah, they've had terrible goaltending. So if a goaltender actually gone on running, you could go in a ride. And they traded for Jake Allen.

And they also traded for Cackan. Caccanon or Caccanon or something like that. Yeah. The only problem is, is like there's a lot of teams. Like it's a lot tighter on the east than on the west, right? Like, there's quite a big gap on the West. Jersey is six points out and where's Buffalo? Uh, no.

Right below them. They got 65 points. Jersey's got 66. There you go. And they're both got the same amount of games. They both got 17 games. Buffalo would be a nice story too, eh? Buffalo?

I think Buffalo would be a nice story. They haven't made the playoffs forever. They got the longest drought. And just to make that push and get in, that'd be a good story. I'm going to go with Jersey. I'm hoping they make a push and try and make it. Because I think that would actually be a decent first round matchup compared to the teams that are actually in those spots right now,

which I have no faith on. I'm going to go with that. Buffalo because if they do, then Sean's going to play this clip in five years. I'm going to say the Islanders. You realize the Islanders. Oh, there's a stepping out, Harles. You know, I said Vegas out first round. I'm going to pick the older to make the playoffs, too, Harles.

I also said Vegas out first round. Is Sean the next time we do one of these going to pull out all the clips where we said something that was completely wrong? And who's going to have the most wrong? That's the real question. I was looking at some things on Twitter. and a playoff format hypothetical for you, boys, because they don't do the one verse eight. But if you were to do one verse eight, and I guess the question is, do you like the current format?

But before we answer that question, here's the hypothetical if it was one verse eight. In the east it would be Florida versus Detroit in the first round, New York versus Philadelphia, Bruins versus the lightning, hurricanes versus maple leaves. In the west, it would be the Canucks versus the Golden Knights, the Jets versus the Preds, Dallas versus the Kings and Colorado versus Emmington. So two thoughts. One, I forgot about Philly. I think Philly's the team that drops out. So I think both Detroit and the Islanders make it.

I think Philly's the team that misses. As for to answer that next one, I like, I know a lot of people don't. I like the divisions because I think it creates rivalries. And like I'm looking forward to the Oilers having to play L.A. or Vegas. And it just every year, you're just, can imagine if you're L.A. walking into Eminton again this year. Right? You gotta hate it.

And everybody hates each other and it makes for great series where, oh, Florida's playing Detroit and you're like, who gives a crap? But that was the same back in the 80s, right? Winnipeg every year they knew they had to be playing the Oars, right? And it got to the point where

you just fucking hate the other team, right? Yeah, had to throw out the F-bomb, eh, huh? Five years later. Tortorella, he wouldn't leave the bench. Did you see the clip of him? I'm not effing going. I'm not going. I'm not going.

And it goes back and forth. He ends up getting fine, 50 grand. He ends up leaving the bench as well. What did you think of Tortorella being Tortorale? They did have probably the best thing from my side on it was then Sportsnet or SportsCenter did the top 40, you know, coaches losing their minds. And they had some great ones from all the sports. And Tortorella was in there like three or four times.

That was just classic Tortorilla, really. You realize it was on the night where they were honoring the Stanley Cup team that won in Tampa Bay, right? They lost 7-0-0, so all the guys from his team are all sitting up in the, you know, up top. You wonder if he did it for shits and giggles for him, you know? Who, Torts? Yeah. No, Torts is just mad.

Yeah, I know. Because he's trying to make the playoffs. He's got this team that wasn't supposed to be anywhere near the playoffs in a playoff spot, and he's getting heft over by the rest. He's just mad. And so he wants an explanation, and the guy doesn't come and give him one. And then another penalty, I don't think he's thinking anything. else just another game with terrible refs and he's pissed off i don't think torts is that clever

he's a reactionary kind of guy yeah he's just he'll let you know exactly what he's thinking i i could see myself reacting like how torts was like just being on the bench you're trying to battle these guys have battled all year you weren't supposed to be anywhere close oh by the way halfway through the year our starting goalie gets gone right like you're just scraping through and then this guy's pulling bullshit calls out of his ass for Tampa bay like I'm kind of fired up. Classic torts, I don't know. J-1 and one baseball question in here.

Did the Js do enough this year to put themselves in a playoff position? Playoff position. Yes. Yes. I don't know if the other teams have done as much, so I don't know if the Blue Jays doing what they've done is like putting them over the top. versus, you know, the other team is not doing as much. And so, yes, I think they're in. I'm going to say no.

I don't like what they did in this offseason. I guess if Guerrero, like, returns to form, they could have a shot because he wasn't really all, you know, like he was okay last year, but he wasn't great, like in previous years. But I don't really love the moves they made in the off season, so I'm going to say no. How much do we love the move of trading Marino? at the trade deadline last year.

Didn't you and I have this exact conversation about why would you move Marino and not one of the other two catchers? Boy, it sure looked good having Marino in the lineup right now, wouldn't it? I remember him playing in the playoffs and you're like, why did we trade? Like, he's your young stud up-and-coming catcher and you trade them. Like, are you stupid? I don't know. It just, it still irritates me.

It didn't feel like last year was their year. You know, this isn't where they're peaking, like when they had Batiste and Donaldson. I'm just like, what are you doing? And now here we, yeah, here you go in, you go, okay. I think they're starting pitchers great. I love that they're, again, based on pitching down. And so they're starting pitchers legit. They've got a deeper bullpen than they've had in the past.

I think that puts them in the realm of fighting for a playoff spot. And then like you say, where's your health with Bichette and Vladdy and Springer and some of them guys? Because you can always add a bat later on, you know. Does Joey Votto got anything left? There's stuff there, but it just, the thing that gets me is that marino trade. Here's the thing when you're building a championship team, you can't have unforced errors like trading Marino.

Like there was no reason for that trade whatsoever. There was no, like, I don't get what was going on in that room when they decided to trade them. Did no one stand up and go, what the hell are we doing? Like, I remember sitting there watching him and I'm like, oh, this is your catcher within a year or two is going to be an absolute stud. Yeah. You don't trade that guy.

You trade, Kurt, sure. You want to implement the seven rule fan. haven't we talked about this in the dressing room multiple times? The idea is, and this always comes back to the Oilers, this comes back to how many stupid trades we've made, and that is you have seven fans who the GM has to report to. And the fans, now I could be changed my mind on it. Is it a year term?

Is it three-year term? It doesn't matter. The fans vote in who the seven fans are. And in order to make a trade, you have to take it to them and get four of them to approve it before you can move them. And I tell you what, the fans would do it for free or for season tickets, I guarantee you, and they would make sure no stupid trades ever went on, right?

You think of Taylor Hall being traded? There would have been a lot of argument on that between the seven fans. Jordan Everleigh going? A lot of argument. Imagine trying to convince the Oilers fans to trade Wayne Grexky back in the day, when that happened, right? And on and on. And the trades that make sense, you would probably have consensus.

You'd probably be like, that's a great trade, let's do that, right? Would any of the fans argued about Henry, or signing Perry or on and on the list goes? No, because everybody's like, no, that's pretty good, solid trade. Yeah, I think good. But you go back to Griffin-Rinhart.

Seven fans wouldn't have been on that. Can you imagine how much they would have tore it? They would have tore it apart? Excuse me? So you go to the baseball. That's what you're saying. You just need a little oversight on the GM. Well, you had Kirk as he was an all-star.

You're never going to be able to trade him at a higher time. You got a guy who has troubles running. He's a decent defensive catcher who had a great season hitting. You're like, he's not your long-term catcher. I mean, and I like Kirk because he kind of shaped like me. So, I mean, I root for them guys. He definitely runs like you, for sure. We've had this conversation, too, about Fogel this year, right?

Fogel's having an all-star year. That's where you trade him. This should have been the year that you trade him. But who knows, maybe he'll be the MVP or else. Well, maybe. All right, well, we're going to slide over to substack, folks. So if you want to see one final question of the brothers, a little 2024 predictions, come on over with us to Substack and we'll be there.

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