Shaun Newman Podcast - #610 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer 12.0

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

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He also hosts the Golds, Goats and Guns podcast. The second, Croatian National, former hedge fund manager, author, and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Krainner. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today, I'm joined by Tom Luongo, Alex Kramer, for the 12th, the 12th time, boys. Yeah, it's been a year.

It's been roughly been once a year now. Or once a month, once a year, once a month. So thanks for hopping on, guys. Always a pleasure. Always fun, Sean. You know, I'm going to say this right at the start because you guys are coming, you know, if there was one place, folks, they probably never thought they would grace once. That probably be Lloydminster.

And if they thought they'd ever grace the same land twice, Lloydminster, April 27th, they're coming back. Tom, Alex, among a cast of characters. And it's pretty cool this morning. I'm down to 24 tickets left. So it's looking like. it's going to be a full house for the Saturday. It's going to have some interesting people there. Once again, if you haven't grabbed a ticket and you're in the area,

you probably only got a couple more days. I dropped. I think it's been, I don't know, down about 50 in the last seven days, something like that. So there's not a whole lot left. 24. And I just topped on. It might be 23. I might have missed one.

And so that's pretty cool. Either way, looking forward to having you. boys back here in April. That all being said, that all being said, let's start with, mental note must start writing speech. It's going to be fun. You know, before we get too deep into today, you know, the interesting thing for yourselves, you know, you come on this show and you're always together for the most part. I've had Tom on once since we started having both you together. We talked Star Wars and different things. And I've had Alex on once talking basically the Tucker Putin interview, although we talk

some different things. So normally you're together at this event, certainly you're both going to be in the building, but I got some interesting things cooked up to hopefully pull some different thoughts out of both of you. And hopefully for anyone in attendance, that should be a ton of fun to be in the building for. I don't know what

your guys' thoughts are on coming back to Lloyd Minster. How about we just start with the Cornerstone forum and see what you boys think of coming back to Lloyd Minster? Go ahead, Alex. Oh, I can't wait. I'm very excited to go and uh you know last time was phenomenal it was so much fun and so interesting and met so many great people there uh i you know it wasn't hard for me to decide to go again now the hardest part for for us was just the logistics of getting everybody wrangled right

they get to find the right weekend where everybody was able to go but you know um what sean said are you be willing to come up in late april my you know the first time he asked was you know was my daughter's 18 birthday and i'm like well i can't do that one but um pretty much any other weekend i can do so um yeah no i'm looking forward to it like in a way that is almost i'm yeah it like i said i guess we're upgrading this last time i guess you know and and uh it's going to be i it's a little bit more responsibility now than the last time it was just like well i get to be on the stage with alex and shaw i'm not really sure what's going on it'll be a q and a the q&As are easy but when you have to actually do actually i have to like write a script be on script

beyond script and I'm not particularly good at either of those things. So this will be, you know, I've got to make sure I got my next year. I learned a lesson from last time. I'm not putting it in June, you know, here in Canada. Once the snow's gone, you're going to have a tough time wrangling people. It being in April, you know, farmers might be in the field by then. We'll see how April goes here. But certainly April, when it comes to the oil field and different things like that, everybody slows down. Hockey's done. Spring sports haven't started. And so to me, when I look at ticket sales, I go, yeah, that makes, it honestly makes sense to me because people can handle this time of year, whereas you get later into, it's not June isn't summer,

but, you know, Canada, we make the best of the months where the sun's shining, the ground is dry, you know, the days are kind of long. It's like, you know, it can be plus five outside. We're all still, we're all running. I mean, as it sits right now, it's almost T-shirt weather boys, and it was minus five this morning. I'm thinking, yeah, it ain't far off. It ain't far off. I'm going to roll into the studio in shorts. Tom's probably laughing at me because he's sitting him forward on. What I'm really laughing at is that the minute we said it was going to be, we're going to be in April. My wife's one goes to Amazon and starts buying long underwear because he's like, the win, dude. It's not that it would be that terrible. You're not from New York,

ultimately. I know how to dress for the winner. And I have, you know, and we both have, you know, like wool coats because I love wool coats, right? I love being able to, I love cold weather, uh, clothing, but I never get to wear it because I live in, freaking Dante's bake, right? And it's awful. So, like, this is a great opportunity. I'm like, I was out, I was actually, you know, looking at, okay, so what am I going to wear, blah, blah, well, and I actually doing some, some clothes shopping last night because I'm such a close for it. Because, you know, $8 over a tractor supply, boys. Let's, you know, let's not the, I upgraded from $6 over at Walmart. So, yeah, let's do the thing. I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be fun.

Well, I'm excited to have you, boys. Now, today is going to be a shorter for the listener. It's going to be a little shorter. We're going to keep everybody on time. There's a lot of different things moving in all of our worlds. So let's get to it. You know, the big thing that happened here just in the last couple days was the Baltimore Bridge. I don't know where you boys want to start. To me, I just looked down on my, holy crap.

You know, I've watched the videos and everybody's breakdown of it at least, you know, 15 different times. I'm curious what you two thought seeing the Baltimore Bridge get ran into and ultimately cratering. And what that's going to mean here. you know, as we move forward in the months to come. Well, Alex, I want you to start because I just did two and a half hours with Carrigan and column and counselor and we talked about all this.

So I want to hear what Alex has to say on this. Well, you know, I saw a bunch of videos of it as well. I find it extremely disturbing. And I, you know, immediate, what you saw immediately is that the FBI came out and said, oh, it was an accident before they could even begin the most prelimin preliminary investigation. How do you decide that that was an accident just like that? And then everybody who has some knowledge of this, right? There were guys who posted videos who were like ex-coast guards and ex-pilots and so forth. And there was like no way, no how was this

an accident. And what you see in the video is the boat first approaching at very high speed, which I think, you know, I grew up in a port city. When boats go in and out of ports, they go very slowly. And most of the time, they use pilots, pilot boats, and pilot goes on the ship to help the captains stir the boat into the port. Or they use tugboats. So they're always extremely careful about this. This one was going at what looked to me like 20 knots,

And then as it approaches the bridge, it swerves sharply, which ships don't often do, not away from the pylon, but straight into the carry one of the two load-bearing pylons. I, you know, I don't know much about stirring ships, but if I saw that video, I would say, like, we need to investigate how this happened. I wouldn't like immediately dismiss it as an accident. And now the importance of, you know, the consequences of this action are very crippling to the U.S. economy because this is apparently, you know, I only learned this over the last two days. This is the second most important traffic roadway for the U.S. economy. Number one port in refined fuels, in cars, hazardous waste, agricultural produce and machinery and so forth.

So it's extremely debilitating for the U.S. economy. It's going to have severe consequences, which in the world where good news is bad news, you know, stocks should be flying higher, you know, obviously. But I think that in terms of how it affects the real economy, it's going to be a very, very adverse event. And I think that ultimately we'll see the impact also on interest rates. I think that the bonds are going to be heading another leg south based on this. There's always a time delay.

You know, markets don't always react. instantly, but it does create pressure and it creates a trend. And so it's going to be a very negative event. Now, if it isn't an accident, it was done on purpose, who might be behind it? That would be interesting to understand, you know? And I think that Tom's going to have a lot to say about this, but I'm sure that we're going to be zeroing in on the same enemy. And I think that we've talked about this before. We know that, you know, a certain interest groups in this world, City of London, have two scenarios for the United States. A, they control the United States and use it as their bludgeon in the world to, you know, keep up their empire. Or B, if the

United States goes independent, then break it up or start. Civil War 2.0. Same thing that happened in 1861. And so how do you start that? Well, first you have to, you know, as they said, as Kissinger said when they were destroying Chile, you have to make the economy scream first. So, you know, if somebody said like, well, how would we cripple the U.S. economy? I'm not talking about stocks and Google and Apple and Nvidia. I'm talking about the real economy, the stuff that gets your food on the table and gets your car repaired and things that people depend on.

How would you do that? Well, how about crippling one of the most important traffic networks in the country? And how easy was that to do? And then it turns out that the captain of the ship is a Ukrainian. And I don't want to put too much weight on that fact. But the Brits do have a very close relationship with Ukrainian intelligence. And so, you know, I'm not going to categorically say it was the Brits and the Ukrainian captain was their agent. if I were FBI, I would investigate that angle.

You know, at least find out if there's any, you know, if there's any smoke there, if there's any legs to that story, rather than saying, nothing to see here folks, disperse, this was an accident. So, Alex, I'm going to take, I'm going to see your FBI. I'm going to raise you the daily mail. Okay, go. because this thing hits the bridge at 126 a.m. local time. By 8.45 local time, Eastern Standard Time, the Daily Mail has a major article up committing

multiple acts of journalism. When the fuck did that ever happen? They never, how is the, how does the daily mail, otherwise known as MI6 Journal? It's like, it's like the British equivalent of the Washington Post, which is a mouthpiece for the CIA. How did they have, you know, intimate knowledge about what was going on and all this information up and ready for everybody to digest any, you know, as they're going to work that morning? Here in America, we haven't even like figured out that this thing happened. Most of us are still just waking up to the idea of what's going on. Like, this is insane.

Yeah. So, yeah, like the Daily Mail article is a massive smoking dump. Was it taught that? Do you know whether it? it was in print already or whether it was online first just online oh just online okay yeah something like 845 i was sitting there chatting with my partner uh and crime dexter white on this and he was like dude when does this happen i'm like never yeah so you know but it's the same thing with what happened in moscow when you know now i now to before we go to moscow there's a lot of parallels

of the way the stories are being disseminated and who's being blamed blah blah blah blah in each of these instances. I can look, let me let's, there's two ways here. The two most likely scenarios are one, the Russians did it as response to what happened in Moscow. Let's not kid ourselves. As a piece of fourth generational warfare, this is a mass drug, right? You cripple the most important port on one of the most important ports on the eastern seaboard. The backs up and on all the entire logistical hub for the entire Boston to Washington Megalopolis here in the United States. It's incredibly. The whole I-95 corridor, guys, is in, I can't, I can't overstate how important it is.

It stretches from importance from Boston to Miami. Okay. It's, it's that road. Okay. There's no other road in the, arguably in the world. That's more important than I-95, right? And now we've completely crashed out. There's how many multiple ports or peers serviced by the, behind the Francis Scott Key Bridge?

Moreover, it's the Francis Scott Key Bridge. Tom, if you don't mind for me being a Canadian, what's the important? The guy who wrote this thing, the star-spangled freaking banner, I was just about to say. Like, if you don't get the fucking symbolism, like, I, you know, I'm sorry. So you've got the Russians on the one hand. Perfectly reasonable. Cheap, hack the boat, send it into the pylon. The videos I watched that morning, I stopped watching videos of it after I got my initial

impression of it. I'm good. I see the boat on fire, loses power twice, heads right into the pylon. That's it. Bridge goes down. I'm like, I saw that. I watched that five times. I'm like, I'm done.

I know the story that I've got here. Everything else they're going to try and tell me about this is a lie. Now, if the FBI comes out that morning and says this was an accident, one of two things here. They're covering for the Russians because they don't want this to be a Russian attack on U.S. soil, thereby escalating this to World War III immediately. Or they're trying to cover for British perfidy, trying to goad us into believing the story. that the Russians would even get revenge for what happened in Moscow. Because now when we turn to Moscow. Before we turn to Moscow,

I know this is important. I got to draw this. This is very important. I get these people credit all the time. My people are, my community is amazing. So by the next morning after Moscow happens, I get a translation of a Russian journalist.

I can't remember his name and I couldn't pronounce it even if I tried. Explaining the Tajik-M-6-ISK connection in grave detail. And then we find out that the Turks were involved in these guys' training and all the rest of it. This was clearly an operation by mercy. who were professional who didn't shoot themselves in the head when they were finished screaming al-Aqbar on their way to the 77 virgins in heaven waiting for them this was an operation of that was a military it was a military intelligence op in every way could the Ukrainians have been behind it of course were they working with other people on this of course but again who provides

that level of logistical support where does the money come from how does the money flow. The way I described this to my patrons the other day was, and I'm just sorry. And so before I even get into that, and how did we respond to this? We said it was ISIS, again, as a cover story. Because I firmly believe the United States powers that be, there is a major faction. I've been saying this for months that do not want war with the Russians. But if you look at what's been happening over the two and a half, the three months of 2024 in the lead up to this. And the fact that we can't get any aid for Ukraine passed through our Congress, the level of histrionics, the level of rhetoric coming out of continental Europe and the

British and the United Kingdom has been off the freaking charts to a level that betrays everything I've been saying for three years. Europe wants the Americans to fight, be it the British and or the continental Europeans, they both old colonial powers want the United States to fight Russia in a war to the death that the weakens both of them. So it's the only thing that fits all the damn facts that this is about, that this is not the Russians responding. This is because Putin would never do this knowing full well. He would never strike American soil, knowing full well what our response would be if it was traced back to that.

Never. He's only prosecuted the Ukraine war in such a way as to minimize American escalatory response for two years. So it would be unbelievably out of character. And who wants everyone to believe that Putin is pootler? The same people who drove Hitler freaking crazy to attack in both directions in 1939, 1940. It history does, history rhymes folks, because the actors don't freaking change. And these people are very smart. They're not very clever. They use the same tactics over and over and over again. So that's where I am on all this.

You guys take it from there. I was just going to ask from a Canadian standpoint. What's the importance of Baltimore, that bridge? You mentioned a bunch of different things, but I'm like, you know, Why can, like to me, it's not like I'd ever thought of Baltimore before. You know, if you're going to knock out a bridge in the United States, I guess I'd never paid attention. One, but two, I'm like, what is the significance of Baltimore? Like, why does it matter so much to the East Coast?

It's, it is a massive port. Like, one third of the city of Baltimore is indirectly or directly services the port. it's employed by the port it's it's a warm water port it it everything flows through it our military logistics to europe flow through it our coal most of our coal exports flow through it like it's just as as alex described in his opening statement and he's correct and then everything coming out of those ports and into the i-95 uh transportation network like that's the logistical hub of the east coast of the united states so that's that sorry so then so then so then I go you know to me not knowing all that I look at it

and I go Baltimore bridge like you know until I look it up on a map and see where it is and you know I go hmm maybe it's maybe maybe it was an accident but when I listen to you to you know and this is why bringing you on is so important bringing you on it's like well maybe it could have been an accident except for the fact that it's like one of the most key points it hit the right the right support it's sped up It did all these things and the FBI, FBI came out and the Daily Mail and you go, this is, this is it all over again. This just keeps playing out.

You know, for the 12th time for you boys coming on, I feel like every second time, there's an event that happens right before you have you come on that you're like, all these things don't line up like this. This isn't how the world works. Right. I assure you I had nothing to do with it. I mean, you know, just so people understand, I wouldn't do such a thing just to have something interesting to say.

Very fair. Very fair. Very un-British of you, Alex. Yeah, I was just having a conversation about this off-air with just, this is going to sound stupid, but like everyday folk. They're like, oh, did you hear about the Baltimore British? Yeah. Yeah. What a terrible accident. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not. Unless it wasn't. Yeah, well, exactly, exactly my thought. That's why I wanted to talk about it right off the hop. it being. You know, it could have been an accident, of course, you know.

But one would have to investigate it. I mean, you know, like when a person dies, you investigate you. I mean, unless it's obvious why they died, you investigate, you do an autopsy, right? You filed some reports. This is just like, nothing to see here. folks disperse, that's practically the first things that get me to be suspicious, because these people's job is to investigate things. Their job is to be suspicious, right? They should immediately start putting together a list of suspects, and then only once they've eliminated all the

suspicions, then they can say, now, this was just an accident. But you know, like, you'd have to, you'd have to interview the pilot, the first officer, whoever was in charge, the pilot, the people who were communicating with the boat as it was sailing off. You'd want to know, you'd want to look through the cargo manifest. What was on board? I mean, there's a lot of things you'd look into before you'd declare it to be an accident. You couldn't have done it in just a couple of hours. And so, you know, if the FBI comes out with such a categorical statement so quickly,

my first thought is like they're covering up something. Right. Yeah. And then Daily Mail, that reminds me of BBC reporting the World Trade 7 building collapsing 20 minutes before it did. Right. Right. Exactly.

So I guys Events do not line up like this this easy Yeah Just don't and you know when I was watching that video for the first time I don't know Alex if you've ever seen it I know Sean's never seen it and you will not be able to find it Because it's been scrubbed from the internet But there's the security cam footage of when Putin's driver died

I don't know if you guys remember this yes The security cam footage of what happened with Putin's driver Putin's limousine was traveling on a major, you know, the major highway, ring highway in Moscow. And there were, and it's, you know, it's like eight, it's like 16 lanes of traffic with no divider between them. So it's like eight lanes this way and eight lanes this way. And there's like, you know, and flags between the north and southbound traffic or

east and westbound traffic. And you, as you're watching this, this car, you clearly see a puff of smoke from the passenger passenger side right passenger side front tire here blows out and then the car swerves and it heads right into the opposite traffic killing the driver instantly that car was hacked the right front brake engaged and the and the other one did not and sent the car into traffic Putin was supposed to be in that vehicle and he was not and the driver died If they can hack a car to do something like that, they can hack a boat. Well, you know that one of the one of the one of the one of the WikiLeaks vault seven

discoveries was that I think since something like 2007 all new cars have electronics in them making them hackable right all cars and and I think they developed that all already decades earlier. And probably Princess Diana's car was also crashed in this way. You know, it took off out of control. And this is, this is apparently, I mean, I don't know because, you know, but generally, you know, the suspicion is that this is how she was assassinated by hacking her car. And then Michael Hastings, his Mercedes also.

also was apparently hacked. This is how he was killed. And so, you know, cars, vehicles in general, if a car can be hacked, then a ship can be hacked. And FYI, Putin now only drives around in his oris, which is a Russian source top the bottom limousine. And he just gave one to Jishen ping. Yes. Yes. And so you don't, so if you think that those chips are hackable, those cars are hackable by outside forces. I'm sure that they are hardened. Yeah, you're going to have to learn how to code in Cyrillic. Among other things, and have to code Russian chips with Russian operating systems

and operating instructions in the whole nine yards. We're not talking about chips that, you know, they bought off the shelf that have, you know, that have NSA back doors and Five Eyes back doors into them. Okay. These are important bits of information. Yes. It's part of the reason of why, you know, the EU wants to open up the Apple App Store and, and all the right, they want to be able to side load their own apps and jail break the phones and all the rest of it. And without anybody's knowledge, this is very important.

And it's been the EU that's been pushing the data to open up the Apple system. Google's system has always been hackable because Android's a piece of shit. And I'm not a huge fan of iOS either, but from this perspective, Apple's products are far more secure. They're not secure, but they are far more secure to long-term government hacking, which is what, which is also why I think the DOJ went after Apple the other day along the same lines for antitrust violations. The whole purpose is to open up the app store. Forgive me, Tom. When you say the DOJ went after Apple, can you just expand on that? that for me. I'm not sure you know.

They filed a lawsuit against Apple for for anti-competitive practices, again, over the app store. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't go much farther into it than that. I just, I saw the, I was, I saw the headline. I've been following the, the story in, in, um, in Europe for years. My, again, my partner, Dexter White has forgotten more about Apple than I will ever learn in my lifetime, um, having been, in his case, an Apple fan boy for, I don't know, most of the time that we've been friends, which is like going back to the, when we were both in college in that hair. So, yeah, no, this is one of those things. I will put up his analysis about Apple against any Wall Street analysts.

And he'll, and I'll bet him. I'll bet with him and win far more often than anybody else. And he follows this stuff religiously. And so I take his word on this stuff, you know, with, I mean, he's a trusted source, period. So, yeah, on this stuff, this is about Apple. And Apple has a culture that is. far more resistant to this nonsense. They can't resist everything because of the legal structures that they operate within. Okay, this is not saying that, you know, Apple iPhones are

quote, unquote, secure. But there is a better culture of your data privacy within Apple than there isn't any other major tech company. This is not to say they're good. This is just to say that they are better. Okay. And given the, and given the opportunity, they will tend to decide on, they will tend to side with their users until forced to buy a governmental entity. Okay. And they will drag it out for as long as possible. And they will spend a lot of money to drag it out for as long as possible. And they have.

And their record on this is very clear. Going back to the massacre and Russia, Alex, do you share the same connection that Tom had put out right at the start? I kind of, I guess, you know, as Tom was talking there, I guess I didn't realize, not realize. That's not the right word. I guess I just didn't really put it together side by side the time frame of when both happened and how closely they happen. And I don't know, you sit on the other side of the pond. Curious, your thoughts on the news coming out of Russia and everything else. I think that the Russians are playing their cars close to the vest now. It's hard to know

how they will respond to this. But I'll tell you something that I know. kind of secondhand but I think it's probably not far off from the truth but when terror attacks happen in Russia and they find out who the terrorists are

they don't they don't just arrest them and bring them to trial their whole family goes they get everybody okay so you know they've gone as far as suggesting that it was that the United States and Britain and possibly France were responsible for this.

You know, maybe not directly involved, but they train these people. These people are part of their network. You know, ISIS is Obama's creation. It's, you know, leaving the weapons caches prepared for acts of terror is the model of gladio. Gladiou is creation of NATO. So, you know, if I were Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Robert Kagan, all of these people. Mike Morrell, I take real good care of my family's security right now because, you know, nothing's going to happen immediately, probably, but they might be coming for them.

I didn't know that about Russia and all the family. That's, uh, that's, that's, that's something that I heard unofficially. You know, nobody's going to tell you this officially, but, you know, Russia did have a few terror events during and in the immediate aftermath of the Chechen wars. And then they stopped cold, even though there's, you know, Russia is full of these Dagestani people and Tajik's. It would be very easy for any of them to infiltrate Russia as they have. You know, they have whole communities of Tajik's there. this is the only way to discourage them because these people don't care. You know, they're going to do this.

They're going to sacrifice themselves. They're going to die in the process. But if they know for certain that their death means also the death of their mother, father, cousins, daughters, sisters, then it's a different equation, different calculus. But just don't do it. Don't do it because your whole family goes. And, you know, when you think about it, it could be the case. It could be that this is how they deal with terror. And so they're going to deal with the Tajik's and their families if this is the case.

But, you know, if they connect this to MI6 and the CIA, you know, you had, you had, because, Victoria Nulen selling a saying that the Russians, the Putin's going to have some nasty surprises. Well, how close was she with the handlers of these people? You had Mike Morrell speaking to 60 minutes saying, what we got to do is we got to kill more Russians. We have to go out and kill Russians. Well, now Russians got killed. So, you know, is Mike Morrell plugged into these networks? I think that the Russians are going to find out. Maybe they already know. And maybe they're already prepared to send a strong message.

Don't do this again. And don't count on, you know, walking off into the sunset, like, oh, it was ISIS. I had nothing to do with this. And then the Russians are going to say, like, oh, okay, I guess if you had nothing to do with this, then we just move on. It's not the Russian way. You know, this was understood a long time ago, you know, it was it was Germans, Germany's first chancellor, Otto von. Go ahead. Bismarck.

Bismarck? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Otto von Bismarck, who said, if you're dealing with Russians, deal straight or don't deal at all? because if you think you're going to screw them, they're going to come after you. They're going to come for you. So an interesting point about Victoria Newland and her warning to the Russians. I read some stuff about this

and some some theorizing and some, this was the argument I've heard, and again, salt this to taste, is that this thing was originally supposed to go off on March seventh, timed with, I think, the state of the union address here in the United States. And again, the right people in the U.S. got wind of this and put the kibbash on it at that moment. And that's why the U.S. State Department issued the letter publicly saying stay away from concert halls and all the rest of it.

because that was our signal to the Russians, look, this thing is happening. We didn't know about it. It's, it's, it's, it's, and blah, be warned. It didn't happen. Newland is then fired. She's not, she doesn't resign from the state department. She's fired. Do you know that for, do you know that for sure, Tom?

Well, let's let's let me put it to this way. go read Alexander Mercurius over to Durand, a great job of parsing the language of Anthony Blinken's statement about Bitcoin. Oh, okay. And when he said, and Alex's read on this, I think it's very clear is that, one, in that letter, Blinken did not thank Toria for her service and her year, her decades of service to the State Department.

And he said, she's retired. He used the phrase retired, not resigned. Okay. She was moved out. Now, and then we have, you know, the pro-China crowd moved into her place. So she lost the power struggle within the State Department. The, for all accounts, the operation, the Ukrainian counteroffensive or offensive from last year, which failed was her operation. She was, for all intents and purposes, let's put it this way.

The best way to describe all this is that in movie speak, Newland was the director of this project, Project Ukraine, probably the director of this attack on Russian civilians in the concert hall. And this was supposed to go up before the Russian elections. I believe that the British and to a lesser extent, their people within our intelligence services or who are ideologically aligned were the unit production manager, the stage management, manager, the set designer, and all that. Clearly, the Turks were the casting directors,

but everybody was a producer with points on the gross. Okay. And I think you can make the same argument about the North Stream pipeline bombing, adding in now the polls and the fins and this one and that one. But someone was actually coordinating all this. And I believe the bits of the executive producer doing all the actual coordination. Newland may be the director, but the Brits and MI6 are definitely the producers on this. Because it's their handiwork. It's their MO. It's the way they operate at every level.

They've been exposed dozens of times doing it this way. Right. And I think Newland was removed not just an internal power struggle as we theorized at the time, but it was that this was the final. This was weird. She stayed was stage managing and directing an operation that was going to lead to an uncontrolled escalatory framework that would put the United States and Russia in direct conflict on behalf of foreign powers. This will not stand. You see, here's the crazy thing about this. What's that's a crazy thing about this Tom because I think that the original terror attack was intended to happen just before the election. to disrupt it. So it was supposed to happen on the 7th of March. And the 7th of March was the

concert in the same place of the guy named Shaman, who is like, whatever, 21st century Russian version of Bruce Springsteen. Right. And apparently the security was super tight. So these guys turned up and they thought, like, can be done. And they aborted the mission. So let's say you orchestrated all this, but it didn't happen because either the Russians took precautions or they heated the warning that the Americans gave. So the whole thing of disrupting the elections didn't happen, right? Right. So who decided to do it anyway just for gratuitous kill? because the election is over.

But the same people because they're the same one. So why do it then? Why was it? Because again, now it's not our state department that did it. Now it makes even more sense that it came from Europe. It came from the British who are desperate to try and get the United States and Putin to act in a it's like if you can get Putin to act off, you know,

on tilt using a poker metaphor. which they've been trying to do for two and a half years and it won't and won't work and he escalates he does he goes and he kinsal strikes against NATO headquarters no NATO headquarters in Ukraine you know they're getting ready to to move on car car car co got all this stuff is happening right and then the bridge and then we get the ship pushed into the bridge which you know after everybody and their brother took one look at what happened to Moscow and went, clearly that was a CIA op. Because we've been conditioned now to think it was a CIA op. Meanwhile, the Americans and NATO issue a profound unequivocal apology or letter of condolence to the Russians for the first

time in how long over this attack. And yet the fucking British, Jeremy Hunt goes out there, says, we can't trust anything the British, the Russians say they lie about everything. No contrition, no notes of condolences coming out of anybody. Not David Cameron, not Rishi Sunak, nobody. Not a fucking word from these people. Same thing out of Europe. Nothing. NATO? Yes. The United States, yes. Not continental Europe. These people are exposing themselves. If you're, if you've got eyes, though, to see and ears to listen every freaking day that this is their war that they want again us to fight just like it was world war one just like fucking world war two and everybody's been standing around

for months now saying there's no reason for this conflict rational actors rational commentators and analysts and everybody's going why in the hell are we going to war with the russians this makes no damn sense ah cooler has prevailed this is this is all just you know know this is all just posturing blah blah blah they said the same goddamn thing leading up to world war one the same things were said then and yet here we are okay so like it's the same people it's the same modus operandi it's the same incentives the same it's the same stop it's just another iteration of the same thing. And the Americans are looking at this going, this is not in our best interest.

Yeah. Yeah. At all. And yet somehow, I mean, even Biden is looking at this and going, this is not good. And so you have to ask yourself, who benefits from these two acts? And the United States doesn't benefit at all. The Russians don't benefit at all. The Chinese don't benefit, really.

And so the simple revenge model and doesn't work. Not when Joseph Burrell, the foreign minister for the EU, literally comes out earlier this week. It says, look, cards on the table. We don't love Ukraine. We don't love Ukrainians. We're not interested in Ukraine for Ukraine and Ukrainians. That's all nonsense. We're there because of geopolitical and geostrategic interest for Europe.

And that's it. He finally actually dispensed with all the bullshit. we finally saw a Western diplomat tell the truth like the masks are coming off folks they're rubbing our noses in it they're arrogant and they're obnoxious and they don't care and i've been banging my shoe on the table like cruce at for two years going the americans don't want this there are forces within america that do want it of course there are players in the banking system that want this in there but there is a growing faction of american leadership that is like this is insane. What in the, what in the actual fuck are we doing? Yeah. The, yeah, and this is, this is,

this is, this is, this again goes back to the reason why, why my suspicion is, you know, my, my, my top, top spot on the list of suspects would be the city of London and people who work for them. Because, um, you know, one thing I've, I've, I've been kind of thinking about is how you, how you create this process of massification. that happened in Germany during the 1930s and that happened in Ukraine after 2014. And you start by destroying the nation's economy. You know, you immisurate people. You create this dry tinder of young men who have no way to reach their aspirations, right?

And then you kind of start blaming everything on a designated enemy and you start creating the war psychosis. And then you need, all you need is a spark, a false flag attack. And then you say like, oh, look, it was the Russians or it was the Chinese or whoever you want to go to war against. And so now, you know, the city of London is losing their empire. They're sensing that the United States is losing interest in being their global cop. And now what do you have to do? You have to create their, you practically lost the war fighting to the last Ukrainian.

We're getting to that grim milestone now. And now you need new cannon fodder. And you need a much, much bigger bludgeon against Russia because Ukraine wasn't big enough. And so why not now get the United States into this position and also Poland and Germany and the Baltic states and Finland and Sweden? Romania and Bulgaria and Czech Republic and everybody. So you start, you start sabotaging their economies. You start destroying their economies and you start talking about conscription and you start, you know, both Victor Orban after visiting in Brussels and Robert Fittso, they both came out and they were like, oh my God, these people are talking like, all they want to do is go to war.

Like Brussels is Is Brussels is already in the war psychosis Where is it coming from? Well, you know, one thing we know is that A lot of the European officials Are actually George Soros loyalists And who does George Soros work for?

You talked with Richard Poe. He I think he worked it out really well and it goes back to the city of London. They're trying to hide it, but they left enough breadcrumbs where, you know, maybe you cannot make a conclusive case, but there's enough breadcrumbs leading back to the city of London that that should be your top suspect and you should investigate that. And then, you know, if you came up with a list of alternative suspects, it gets really thin. And the case would be very flimely.

And who would gain from a major war between the United States and Russia and all these European nations in Russia is really like not clear. Like the states don't, well, you went over it, Tom. States don't have a lot to gain from it to the country. They would have a lot to gain in trading with Russia, right? Western European nations, sorry, Eastern European nations don't have anything to gain. either but that little parasite the you know the golden mile what is it called is it the golden mine or whatever the rotten mile that's that's who that's who gains everything or loses everything in this equation yeah yeah now what's interesting Alex I'm not not in any way in any way manner to perform informed disagreeing with you because yes

those of you don't know, you should listen to the podcast I did with the two podcasts I've done with Richard Powell. The last one was episode 171, the Gold and Ghost and Guns podcast, and then the other one is like, it's linked in 171. So you should listen to both of those. Because Richard's work on this has been impeccable. But it's interesting that there was an article I saw this morning saying that Lloyd's of London stands to lose billions in the Baltimore Bridge attack. from lost shipping insurance. And they're one of the major, they've been one of the major vectors. And so this is like laying some evidence on the fact that the Russians would have been behind this to attack city of London.

Because at the same time, we now bring the Houthis in in the Red Sea. And they're clearly targeting British shipping insurance. You have to guys have to realize that what's left of the British Empire can literally, be like encapsulated in British shipping interests and their insurance and reinsurance companies. Right? Why does anybody give a shit about the British pound? Because it settles 30% of the world's financial transactions.

Well, and also when everybody was when everybody was benchmarking to LIBOR, then they had a role. But that got taken away from them as well. That got taken away too. We kind of talked about that on this podcast at least three or four times, right? Yeah. So it seems that it's shrinking rapidly. Yeah. So they're panicked. Yeah. And they are probably the ones who are most inclined to do panicky acts because everybody else has maneuvering space. The United States has massive maneuvering space. The Chinese have maneuvering space. The Iranians don't need any of this.

Right. You know, they have a different game. Right. And so that I think, you know, whatever, how, how? However you slice and dice this, the city of London comes on top of the list of suspects. We can't say that it's them, but they should be investigated there. You know, the means, the methods. Give the opportunity. Motive means an opportunity. Yeah. It's where it starts.

Now, I agree, Alex. Absolutely. I mean, well said. And I'm happy to, you know, I may be a dog. with a bone here that I won't let go. And this may be, you know, I may be a hammer looking for nails. I'm okay with that. But I can tell you one thing and one thing alone.

There ain't one goddamn subject that I get more open pushback on in public and from my own people than the idea that the British are still running all of these things. And I'm sorry, but those who you truly cannot criticize are the ones that actually rule you. And it's 90% of the bullshit. about Israel, not the, I am not in any way, matter, shape, or form absolving Israel of their crimes. And there are many. So. No, seriously.

When you, when you saw Israel is a false flag. I'll read you, I'll read you a paragraph from this book. So you all know who Alfred Milner was. Refresh our memory, Alex. just to make sure everybody's on after milner was was in at the turn of the century head of the british you know think tank the the the the millner miller's round table milner miller's kindergarten right he was running the british british foreign policy he was the man who was responsible for the Boer Wars and for orchestrating World War I.

And so from the Manchester Guardian in November 1915, the recruits of the so-called kindergarten and Milner's Club, also known as the Roundtable, intimated that, quote unquote, The whole future of the British Empire as a sea empire depended upon Palestine becoming a buffer state, inhabited by, under quotation marks, by an intensely patriotic race. Then you get the Balfour Declaration right. and then you have the seeding of Palestine with an intensely patriotic race. But it's coming from the freaking city of London. What book, Alex, in case people are interested in reading it?

It's a conjuring Hitler by an author is Guido Giacomo Preparata. this book is an absolute masterpiece. I cannot recommend it highly enough because it's history, but the man figured out the role of money creation, of central banks, of Montague Norman, of Helmarchacht, these central bankers who were in charge

when World War I, World War II were being orchestrated and funded, and where the funding was, was coming from and how the British democracy works and all of it. And he puts it on in a very, very tight, extremely compelling case. It's an interpretation, but it's based on very good research. And, well, you know, Ramsey McMullen said, you know, you can't write history unless you look into the motivations of groups and people who hold the reins of power. And so it doesn't, you know, It doesn't help to say, like, well, there was this battle and that battle and that armistice and resolution and blah, blah, blah, and one damn thing after another, unless you investigate what ties all these events together. Who was running the show?

Who was benefiting from the show? For what reason? What the strategy was? And so this book of all the books I've read about the events at the beginning of the 20th century and through World War I. through World War I and World War II, this I think is the most brilliant and most compelling books on the subject that I've... And it's not...

You know, like if you read Carol Quigley, you have to be ready to work through 1,400 pages. This is much, much more condensed, but it's punchy as hell. It runs to 268 pages. And I'm nothing to do with it. it. I'm not, I'm not plugging my own work, but this. No, no, no. The fact you're reading it and there's something very compelling, there's a lot of people who listen to you to, and anytime

you bring up something that's influencing how you think about history in the world of today, they want to read it themselves, right, experience at first hand. I told you, boys, an hour. We're closing in on an hour. Any final thoughts? And I'll let you both out of here so you can get on with your days. And I know it's, thanks, Alex, for hopping on. I'm sure it's starting to give, you know, when it's this late in the day, appreciate you giving us some time. And same to you, Tom. You've both been very generous.

But any final thoughts here in the last couple of minutes before I let you both go? Yes, just a quick one. Sean, thank you very much for doing what you're doing, because I think that the most important thing for us to do with this really, really tense moment in history, is to keep speaking up, to keep working out what's going on, and to keep sharing the ideas, the information, the insights. People who hear this and process this will also share their feedback. And it's kind of panning for gold.

We've been led blind to slaughter twice in the last century. And I think that this is the way for us to keep our eyes wide open and to keep alert and to push back, to defend peace and keep these schemes perpetually sabotaged. And then to ultimately kill the beast by, you know, a hundred million cuts or a billion cuts or, you know. So that's my first. final thought and I would also like to add that I'm very convinced that we actually are doing this and that their schemes are failing left and right. It's not working. But we have to keep it up. We have to keep doing it. I agree. Everything Alex has said, I think is incredibly important. I would echo all those

sentiments. And yes, we are winning small battles here. They are undeterred. These are people, they just want to remind everybody that they don't submit to any higher power. They don't submit to any, they believe they are masters of the universe. And they are at the same time pot committed on the path that they're on. Jim Consular in the, in the, the podcast I just did before I helped on with you guys, kept asking the question, if they know they're, they're, this is, this isn't working.

why are they continuing to do it? Because they don't have any other options. Once you're so far down a particular path, you have a zero percent chance of being, of not being strung up by your toenails and fed the dogs if you admit to what you've done. And you have a non-zero probability, positive probability that you can somehow skate your way out of this.

You're always, so every time you're going to choose that path. That's where they are. It doesn't help, it doesn't help that they all have massive, are already complexes because they've always been able to manipulate us into these things in the past. But we have communications tools that are now light years ahead of where we've ever been in the past. And it's the double-edged storage of technology. They can use it against us to create false realities. And they can also lose control because reality breaks through. Yeah. Lies are expensive in the truth sells itself, folks. Yep.

So we're not of us. Just one last point. None of us are here saying, as Alex said, that these, anything we've presented today is gospel truth. We're giving you our best probability clouds of what's going on here. And that's the world we live in. We live in a quantum universe, folks. We don't, it ain't Newtonian.

It's not force equals mass times acceleration as well, kind of. You know, celestial mechanics only works at a very large, on large systems. But for the most part, we are quantum creatures. we exist in probability cons of, you know, of deductive reasoning. So, and our own biases. So salted all the taste. And I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for hopping on, Jans.

I just thought I would add, tuck this in for anyone wanting to see you in Lloyd Minster on April 27th. Since we started, we've already sold another ticket. So there's 23 left. So, you know, if anyone is sitting there going, these guys are going to be in Lloyd, what's going on? There's a whole cast of characters coming to. the Lloydminster, April 27th.

Tom and Alex are two of them, and hope to see you there. But it's looking like she's going to be sold out here pretty darn quick, which is super cool, you know, to pack a building and have a full day. It is a full day. This one, it is a forum. It starts at 9 in the morning. It's going to go till after supper. Lunch is involved.

And certainly a lot of conversation with these two guys and others. Brilliant. I really look very much to look forward to it. So on. Thank you. So do I. Absolutely. And look us all up when you're there.