Shaun Newman Podcast - #612 - Naomi Holland

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

She is the founder of Redeemed With Purpose, a fashion brand raising awareness on sexual exploitation and human trafficking. She has been travelling Alberta speaking to groups about the harms of pornography and the dangers of human trafficking. Pointing out that our cell phones and the apps we use are the strongest, closest and greatest connector for the global sex trade to our families. SNP Presents returns April 27th Tickets Below: https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone/ Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text: [phone] – and be sure to let them know you’re an SNP listener.

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now can you say let's get on to the tail of the tape let's get on to the tail of the tape she's the founder of redeemed with purpose a fashion brand raised awareness on sexual exploitation and human trafficking. I'm talking about Naomi Holland.

So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Shaw Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Naomi Holland. So thank you, ma'am, for hopping on. You're welcome. Thanks for having me and addressing this really important topic. Well, I'm going to start by saying, I don't know a whole lot about you.

I've been sent some things on you. But for me in the audience, if you wouldn't mind, just give us a bit of your background, who you are and we'll jump in from there. Sure. Right now, a mom with a tween and a teen and my husband pastors a small church in rural Alberta. And I guess I'm a business owner. I accidentally started redeemed with purpose. And so I sell product mainly jewelry that is made by survivors of sexual exploitation. And then I donate all my proceeds to charities that are working to help women get out of the sex trade. And so I've been doing that now for several years. Before that, I worked front line

with survivors of sexual exploitation. So I've kind of seen the sex trade and all the awfulness of that for probably two decades. I've been involved with frontline work. How does one get involved with women who are being sexually exploited? Like right at the front lines. I don't know if I'm drawing a blank on how to phrase that, but this, I can already tell this conversation is going to make me highly uncomfortable, but that's all right. How do you get involved? Like what, I don't know, I guess we don't go searching that or I don't think we do. Yeah, for myself, I was traveling and living overseas in Asia. And in Asia, the sex trade is really in your face. It's not so secretive behind closed doors. Here, it's more, it's really not seen unless you go down to.

you know, a couple of specific streets in larger cities. But there it's really open. And so I was first confronted with this issue of sexual exploitation, sexual slavery. And I started to dig deeper. I wanted to find out like, how can this really be happening in the 21st century? Like I thought, you know, I thought we did away with the slave trade. But no, it's very alive and well. So I just started to investigate and research.

And I would look up frontline organizations. They took me into brothels and red light districts. around the world. And then being from Calgary, I thought, well, I need to be involved locally because when you research, you realize nobody is in there on purpose or by free choice. They're there because of a lack of choices. So I looked for an organization that would be willing to hire me with like no credentials. And I started working for a recovery home in Calgary where women were fleeing, getting out of the sex trade. And this amazing organization was providing long-term recovery programs for these really broken, hurting individuals. So that's how I got involved, just seeing it,

and then asking the question, what can I do about this? When you say the, you know, when you first started to learn, and I apologize if I don't paraphrase this the exact way you said it, but you said something along the lines of lack of choices. They're not there because they got all these choices. Do you mean like they've made a couple bad choices and now they're in this situation or do you mean something different that they're I don't know the house they're up brought in or or I don't know I just hoping you to expand on that absolutely I would love to and this is so important because we have a lot of misconceptions about people in sexual exploitation even the wording and the language that we use you know having in the past called them hookers and prostitutes like that's really

horrible language that suggests that they're there freely by choice and and that they're making money and, you know, they're enjoying it. And all those things are just absolute falsehoods that we have to stop reiterating. But yeah, the common denominator almost across the world of those that are being sexually exploited and certainly in developed countries like Canada is childhood sexual abuse. that what that does is it just the damage that that does is just so long-term and so devastating and so unfair that's why that's why there was never a choice so imagine a child under five being sexually abused by people that were supposed to protect them love them and most especially them these are

men in their lives often a father stepfather an older brother cousin like you name it it's happened right grandparents neighbors the stories are there's so many and so you have a child that grows up thinking that this is what love is because the the words that these abusers are saying to these children you know you're only this is all you're good for this is this is what you're meant to do and they're the protector and they're treating these children in such a horrific way that the kids don't know this is not normal they don't know kids who are being abused don't know that this is not what every household is like. And so they grow up thinking that this is normal and that they had no right to say no.

And so of course it just destroys their self-worth, their identity, even though they think it's normal, that it doesn't feel right, right? So imagine now they're nine, 10, 11 years old and you can almost identify them in a school, in a classroom, you know, low self-esteem, no friends, socially awkward, either does really. poorly in school because they can't concentrate because they can't sleep at night. Right? We don't think of these things. Or they're overachieving because it's the only place that they're safe and they actually love school. So there's different scenarios there. But now I need you to, I'm going to talk to you this whole thing. So they're nine,

10, 11 years old and they hate themselves and they've been used as a sexual object their whole lives. They start to act out. Maybe they find alcohol or drugs and for the first time in their whole life, they experience a moment of release from this torment that they feel inside. And so they just start spiraling out of control with addictions and I don't blame them for sure. And then often with addictions comes that crowd of either the sellers, you know, the, those, who are trafficking drugs and stuff like that and they look at this young girl and they know that they could easily easily trick her into well first of all they usually befriend her and they usually the traffickers either drugs or or pimps start to date

these young girls they see they're vulnerable they see they're broken and they see that they're not protected at home they zoom in on them they target them they groom them which is which is basically dating and they shower them with love and attention and gifts and words of affirmation. And these kids have never had that their whole lives. That's why they're so vulnerable. And then eventually these pimps will turn on them either subtly or very drastically and say, you know, I'm really in a pickle, like I really need a few hundred dollars by Friday. I'm really in trouble.

And I hate to ask you to do this, but I wonder if you could help me out. I just have this buddy and if you would sleep with him, like he'll pay me a few hundred dollars. And this girl's never known she can say no, right? Her body has always been accessible to anybody who says they want it. So she doesn't know she can say no. She doesn't knows is wrong and illegal. But because this boyfriend who she loves so much and is so kind to her has asked for a favor, she will willingly do it for him.

That's how girls get caught and tricked into trafficking. It's through someone that show them some attention and some love. And then it's not going to end with that one guy. Never. It often is just a spiral from there. Men line up at the door in Canada. These poor sexually exploited people are servicing 10 to 15 guys a day. And let me add one more thing.

So this is a scenario. This is the picture. This is the family that we need to keep in our head. remember the average age of entry into the sex trade in Canada is 13 years old. That's why I say there's no choice. No 13 year old would choose to be physically raped for someone else's profit multiple times a day for fun or for money or for drugs. Sorry, Sean. That's the reality. And that's what we need to know.

Yeah. I'm squeamish about it. multiple ways, right? Like father, one, got a daughter. I just can't imagine, I can't imagine, two sons, right? I just can't imagine that happening to your kid, right? And that is the correct response. And that is how we need to see these vulnerable people. If they had a dad who loved them,

if they had a dad that did what he was supposed to do, just treat them with love and respect and teach them their value and worth. Dads play a critical role in protecting their young girls from these lies and these tactics of traffickers. Often it's the dad that's not present that really increases the risks of these vulnerable girls. So at the heart that, you know, it's funny, Naomi, I think of like the heart of, you know, it's funny, Naomi, me, I think of like the heart of some of the issues we face in our society is that you have

split families. It doesn't mean that split families can't work. I don't mean, I don't mean that. Just that they, you know, like when both parents aren't present around a child, there's opportunities that wouldn't normally be there when both parents are present. And it doesn't mean that just because both parents are present that these things can't present themselves, they certainly can. And in today's day and age, they probably do, just that when you have a healthy family unit, we're more likely to ward off bad things. I would assume you would agree with that thought process. Yes, it's amazing. There's actually studies. This seems so simple, but there's studies that show that even the number of times a family eats together around the table per week is in direct

correlation to how successful this child will be as a young adult. I mean, that sounds so simple, but that is just not happening so much these days. And that's something that all of us could do better, right? Be home, be present, meals together, phones, screens away, listening, talking. Yeah, those things would definitely not be present. Yeah, in the really vulnerable people. Yeah. Well, you know, just coming from where I sit, you know, not that we do it every night, but it's close of sitting around the supper table. And if you got young children, some days, it's not really sitting. It's more juggling, you know, and it can be a wild place. But by being at the table and not having screens, like you say, the thing you can notice is when your kids having a tough day.

Heck, when you're having a tough day, right? Kids notice it in you too. And taking the time, we don't mean to put a picture. in people's heads that it's perfect. It is not perfect on the Newman side. But by being involved in their, right now, piano and then reading, you can see when a kid's struggling. And it's, it's interesting if you don't take the time to do that, then it can probably be a week or two, or three, or four. And I guess I just come from a home that we always did suppertime together, and we strive to do that in our house. And so I guess in part of this, I'm just like, oh, that actually

makes a lot of sense. I never think of it in that terms, but the fact there's a study out there saying, hey, if you sit down and eat supper together, put devices away, you know, you're going to start to notice things. And that makes complete sense to me. Yes, because kids are going to show you all the red signs when something isn't right. And so often, I think, as a society, as educators, parents, community, we're missing the signs. And especially right now, our kids are not doing well overall again speaking statistically especially youth teenagers are not their mental health is has never been more atrocious even especially to talk about teen girls since 2010 2011 suicide depression anxiety self-harm in teen girls has absolutely skyrocketed they say hockey stick rise which you would know that that that that

angle is. And funny enough, 2010, Instagram came out. 2011 Snapchat came out. They can make a direct correlation to our use deteriorating mental health with a lot of these apps and just the habits that we are letting our kids develop right now. Well, I think you're the lady who's traveling around talking about all these things. When it comes to kids and devices, I'm like, you know, My kids are young enough, you know, where they, I, although there's the odd fight about it, we still control how much screen time they get. And I think you can do that for longer than most parents would be willing.

It's just how much discomfort you're willing to have in your house. I think I can speak like that because I don't have a teenager yet. But like, lots of people, the phone, the phone, everybody's got a phone and kids aren't morons. They see how much we use it. We see how, you know, and that's something that's changed for all of us. not just kids since 2010. There was a time when I was in college, which isn't that long ago, 2007 to 2011, where I didn't have a phone.

I loved it. Now I, you know, now everywhere I go, I have this phone. And, you know, I'd love for you to maybe talk a bit about kids, devices, and what we're opening them up to because it isn't, you know, you point to the mental health. There's a whole lot of things on there that probably I don't even realize we can do. Yeah, and the reason I started speaking up against phones and I'm not totally against them, but for sure I have a lot to say on how we're using it. But the reason I got into really trying to educate parents and talk to youth is that I've lived

with survivors of sexual exploitation. I have seen what pimps do, what traffickers do, what John's do. First hand, I have seen it. These people do not care for human life. they will do anything to get their profit, to get their money at the end of the day. All of a sudden, we introduced phones into that. And then when they first came out, we thought, oh, educational devices, oh, that's great. We were giving them to kids like crazy.

And then I was just watching all this. And all of a sudden, these same dangerous criminals that were going after these vulnerable people, like I just told you, have full access to any child they want online when they're child is in the privacy of their own bedroom and they're chatting with anybody because they think it's a cute boy. So the phones have really changed the face of human trafficking today. And so that's why I'm really trying to blow the whistle because parents don't realize the how vulnerable their kids are. And, you know, I think we just have to pause and we have to regroup and we have to reassess how we're parenting today because our kids are at risk of not

just yes mental health crisis for sure through the addictive nature of these apps but from traffickers and johns and predators i'll just call them predators um because they have full access to your children and they are going for it they're not sitting by idly wondering how to do this they're very organized they're very clever individuals they know exactly what they're doing they have their dialogue down perfectly and our kids are just like sitting ducks just clueless playing a game with anyone sending pictures to anyone chatting and often talk about like this is why all families are at risk because this could be dad is home mama's home this could be a solid family but all of a sudden you've given your child their own device and they're in their bedroom you've let them into the worst

red light district in the whole world like it's very scary and parents need to know You mentioned our kids are all vulnerable. When you say that, like, how vulnerable are we talking? Like, I guess I'm trying to unravel that sentence in my head. Yes. Within two minutes of a child going on to an app, including a game, where they can play with other people, there is a predator. Well, lovely.

Naomi, well, lovely. Yeah. Right? We need to know the facts. We cannot pretend that, oh, they're just, it's a cute cartoon game. Like Roblox, so many kids are on Roblox. A third of Roblox are users or adults. Roblox is one of their number one games that they use to access children. We just have to know that any game, any app, there are predators there. There are people that are that have to, that have to, have ill intentions and they are totally anonymous and they are having a field day because we keep giving our kids one, their own device far too soon and then with that we're not training them for how to use these devices. We need to stop seeing these devices as toys. They're not toys. They are tools to be used intentionally, carefully and within time constraints at the right age of the right stage. It is like a set of car keys. We need to do better training and we also need to delay their full-blown access and having their own device. I do say delay is the way.

For kids, smartphones were not made for children. Look at Steve Jobs who invented it. He wouldn't even give his kids an iPad or smartphone. And when he passed away, they were 16 and 13. And he said, quote, those are not allowed in my house. Here's a question for, I'm assuming you get this lots, maybe, I assume. You know, the thing of having young kids is I'm pretty, Mel and I are pretty like, you know, stringent, I think, on screen time. In saying that, what I hear from parents with older kids is they're like, oh yeah, you just wait, you want to be stringent, and then all their friends have it.

And then they get shame because they're not a part of that club. and you're going to break. That's probably one of the things I hear the most from parents who have older kids. What are your thoughts on other kids shaming the child itself while you're trying to protect it? And just that whole scenario. Yeah, it's definitely tricky for sure. I feel like when we were growing up, you know, we would say, well, my friends are doing it. Our parents would say, well, if they're jumping off a bridge, would you go jump off a bridge?

would you go jump off a bridge, right? I feel like we used to say that. Now we're like, oh, oh, you know, we're not building resilient kids, and we need to do that. So first of all, let's go back a bit, and I will get to the teens for sure. The younger, the better. Absolutely. Definitely hard.

If you gave your kid a device when they were 12 and now they're 16, very, very hard to pull back for sure. I love talking to people that don't have kids yet, because I'm like, make your game plan. You've got to be ready because there are friends. pressures from friends, friends, friends, pressures. But the more I talk to people, the more families are sick of these devices and what they're doing to their kids and making their kids so irritable and like don't even like them, even though you love them, you don't like them. And so I think parents are seeing the negative effects on their little children being on

these devices so much. So hopefully that's just going to start to change, shift the culture a little bit. But yeah, as they get into tween and teen, like my son. is grade six and he says he's the only one in his class without a smartphone, which makes me really sad that parents have done that. They have not attended my talks. I would say your first phone is a flip phone. Do not give them a smart device. That has access to all the pornography in the world and just the stimulation alone, the child's brain is not nearly developed for this level of stimulation. And like you said, even for us with grown adult brains, we can barely put our phones down.

It's so addictive. It's so powerful. And children's brains aren't finished developing until early 20s for girls, mid-20s for boys. So to give them a device and to ask them to make good choices on it, especially to put it away or limit it, is actually like asking our children to bench press 300 pounds. It cannot be physically. It cannot be done. So we have to keep that in mind. And as they get older into your 12s and 13 year olds, relationship is key without it.

Can't do much. I've really tried to focus on, like, say with my son, we do a lot of activities together. We play a lot. I hate it, but I'll do it. Mini sticks, basketball, hockey outside, like torture, bike riding. Like, it's really hard for me. I would rather work, but I invest in that relationship. And so, so far he has never asked for a phone.

We don't have any video games in the house. There's a few on my phone. There's no console or device or anything like that. So I really keep a low-screen household. We have no TV channels. When he goes to Friends House, I do ask them, no screen. If they're hanging out, no screens, no video games. Especially I don't know what kind of video games they're going to play.

So I really try to at this time control what he allows access to. And I'm sure to some people that sounds like child abuse. I think someday we will see giving our children the devices will be a form of child abuse. But we're just not there yet because everything is still so new. But the research is rolling in. So for my daughter who's 16, what have I done? Yeah, I think for a time she felt left out for sure because all her kids are on Snapchat. And Snapchat is one of the number one places.

where traffickers and pedophiles find children. So I would never allow my child on Snapchat, actually. But I saw all her friends were getting it. I would tell her why. Why I'm so opposed to it. And I highly recommend all parents before they get any app, they go to protect youngeyes.com, and they look at the app review.

This is an amazing organization that does a review, on every single app or game that your child might play. This is the real review, not the review on the app store. You need to read it. And if you're comfortable with that, then maybe you would allow your child to get the app. But I have a feeling most parents have no idea the kind of content that their child will be exposed to on those apps. So when my daughter's educated, well-informed of my reasons why, our work around is that I did allow her to get Instagram. Okay, so we gave her a smartphone, I think around 14, 15, but nothing was on it. It was like nothing on it.

Very strict house rules. I don't tolerate her being at home or in her room scrolling aimlessly. She has to be on it for a reason, a purpose. And then when I let her get Instagram, it's on my phone. We share the Instagram account. So I have full access. She rarely goes on it. She forgets about it.

And the cool thing is she has found a neat group of friends. that don't live on social media. They like to get out and they like to do things and they're active and they like sports. And they like baking cupcakes still. She's 16. They will do other things if you kind of help steer them in that direction.

Our desires have to be educated. Yes. I was thinking in my head about Snapchat. No, I was thinking in my head about Snapchat. I'm like, I remember when Snapchat came out. And I remember thinking, I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to know that, well, this seems like, you know, like, is it very, take an app. Is it functional?

Does it work well? Is it fun? All these different things. Sure. But I also go, like, probably in the first two minutes, I'm like, this has bad intentions written all over it. When pictures disappear and, you know, you can just, and on and on it goes, I'm like, this, this has got bad news written all over it. And I think any, I don't know, I'm sure women think the same way. But of all the men I talked to back in the day when it came out, it's like, yeah, this is bad news, right?

And before that, it was a different form of technology. I don't know as a kid, a teenager in high school, we had messenger chat. What was it, MSM messenger, I want to say? And then webcams came out. And webcams opened a whole new thing where you could see each other. And then that was used for, you know, kids on that asking of things and on and on it goes of just each other, let alone adults and all the things. things that can happen there. It's like that to me, um, this has been around a lot longer than

just, uh, the phone. This like, that's what kids do. They, um, they explore and they're attracted to one another and, and on and on it goes. And yet some of the, uh, the things that have come out of it over my, just my life, some of the poorest decisions are off of, uh, off of some technology where you think nobody else is watching or screenshots can't be taken and on and on it goes. So to me, I know, I know a lot of what you're talking about. And I guess when it comes to Snapchat, I understand the appeal of it, for sure. Yep. It's just that it's full of pornography. As with any social media site, is full of porn. Snapchat? All the, well, yes, on the home page, or the Discover page, it's so pornographic. You can see horrendous.

things, all the porn stars have a snap account. Within one click, come and see me over here. How does a boy not resist that one click? It's nearly impossible. Well, I guess folks, you know, I'm not on Snapchat because I did not realize any of that. All social media full of softcore porn, which leads into directly into hardcore. Well, I mean, Instagram's the easy one for me because the podcast has Instagram, right? And so you can see Instagram as built for, I mean, I can't imagine being a woman and having to compete with Instagram. Instagram is like everything is about women being pretty much naked on it, right? And so if you get down those rabbit holes, then not only is that a problem, then it'll

feed you that as well, right? Good old social media. If you search out, I don't know, pop culture quotes or something, you know, like movie quotes, so like that, then it starts to feed you more of it. So you start looking at scantily clad women, it's going to feed you more of that. And a child wouldn't know that. Yes, yes. If you're an insecure young child trying to figure out her identity

and in this pornified culture when all the images are so highly pornified and sexualized, young girls are seeing those images and saying, oh, that's how I get value. Or, oh, that's what it means to be a woman is I need to show more skin. And so sadly, these platforms and this media are sending the wrong messages to our children. And that's why you have younger and younger children being so overly sexualized. They don't even know they're sexualized. And yet, you know, 10 years ago, you walk into high school, you would not be horrified. The girls today in regular high school dressed like the women I used to work with when they were coming off the streets.

And we become very desensitized. and that is highly problematic for those girls, as well as for our whole society. Yeah, well, when you put it that way with kids, like as an adult, you know, it took watching, what was that show? Was it the social dilemma? Was that the movie, folks, I think?

Where it talks about it's people who created the apps and what they're trying to do to make it more addictive and all these different things. You watch that, it's like very sobering as an adult. Be like, Oh, as a kid, you wouldn't even under begin to understand the algorithm. I mean, as adults, we have a hard time understanding what the algorithms doing to us, right? Like the best way to avoid, you know, fifth generation warfare, if we use that term,

is to not actually go into it. It's like to not go on social media. As a kid, you wouldn't even begin to understand some of those things. So I can imagine that would be really, really difficult. You know, I grew up, the video games, if you don't mind us, just switching gear. here for a few moments. The video game thing, you know, I grew up playing at the very late stages, the Atari, then the Nintendo and then Nintendo 64, and I have like really fond memories of all those things,

you know, spending time with, you know, my brother's playing it, you know, mom telling us we're getting too much screen time. And, and, but in saying that, like, I can imagine just what too much screen time was back in the day. But regardless, played a, my fair share of video games. What is it about video games today that I have this memory of them and you're saying it ain't the same thing, Sean? No, not the same thing at all.

You can't even compare them. They have nothing in common. The games right now are so highly stimulating. And like you said, they hire some of the top neuroscientists in the world to tweak their apps so that they absolutely cannot be put down. And so the level of brain, like, attack on kids and anyone that uses it, but especially kids with those, you know, vulnerable wet cement brains is just nothing that they could prepare for. And so, so yeah, going on those games, your brain is firing, your dopamine is being released, your heart is racing. And I think, too, what's dangerous is that these kids that are really drawn to video games, more boys than girls, it's somewhere they can feel successful and strong.

And, you know, unfortunately, schools are kind of made for girls, you know, sit quietly, be quiet, you know, sit there for six hours. They're not made for boys to thrive. And they can be. And so boys often are before video. games are just feeling unsuccessful in school, feeling like schools for girls and, you know, I'm, never going to be a good academic. And then they get into the world of video gaming and there they can do, you know, command armies. They can conquer nations and stuff. And they can figure out, you know,

these amazing problems and work with people. And so they find their place there, which I understand, but it's dangerous because it starts to tip the balance from reality and, you know, and, you know, virtual reality, so much to a point where they will lose all interest in the real world, including real relationships with family members. And they will only want to live in this virtual world where they are so respected and have so much power. And that's why we're seeing this huge epidemic of underachieving unmotivated men because they would like young men that would rather play video games. They're dropping out of college. Like we're seeing a lot of residual effects from boys being raised on like intense, well, graphic video games, which

is nowadays, all of them. And I'm not even talking about the violent stuff. The violent stuff is a lot of studies saying how that is changing their brain, desensitizing them to violence, and it makes them more susceptible to being violent in their lives towards the people that they come into contact with or that are in their social circles. So a lot of alarming research out there about boys and video games. I'm going to stick on video games here for a little bit because I enjoyed playing video games growing up. Now, I want to make sure that I different, well, maybe not differentiate.

When growing up, we didn't have this device to give you, I don't even know, how many thousands upon thousands of app games are there. I think of like playing, I think of playing like, you know, when we were growing up, It was like Zelda, NHL, Mario, and the list can go on. Now, in saying that, as I got older, Call of Duty was certainly a thing. I spent many an hour playing Call of Duty. And I don't know. For me, I'm like, the thing I look at with video games now is how much of it is online.

What scares me about video games now is what I used to, in order to have a video games. video game night back in the day, you had to have like three other controllers and three other guys show up. And it was a very social thing, talking and very cooperative, if you would. Now, everybody vacates to the online space where you're talking with people from the other side of the planet. You have kids yelling at adults and adults, you know, a lot of the kids. And if you've ever been on like a Halo or a call a duty chat or, and I'm sure there's like a thousand games I'm forgetting because I don't play video games anymore. I don't have time. But regardless, in my mind, there's a, there's difference.

There's like, this is, this isn't like it's that unhealthy. I'm not sitting there saying let your kid play for 14 hours a day, but regardless, there's got to be moderation and everything. And then there's like this new world where everything is online. Heck, even now you don't, how many people buy the actual video game like, I don't know, is a CD, Blu-ray, whatever it is. Now you can just download it. Everything is just downloaded.

And that's, that's different to me. You know, it's kind of like books. Do you just download the book under your Kindle or do you like the physical hard copy? Once upon a time there wasn't an option. You just had to, but maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm separating the two months and you have your, I'm sure you have your thoughts on my opinion. I would, I'm not an expert on video games because it's so out of my train of thought, but I would recommend Dr. Leonard Sachs and he wrote a book called Boys Adrift.

And I think the subtitle is why we have an epidemic of underachieving men and unmotivated boys or something like that. And it's really revealing. But I will say a little bit on video games. So like you said, moderation is key. Absolutely. I think parents need to limit the time that kids are on it. And that means setting a physical timer and then maybe even a second and a third timer because their brains have no breaks. remember that. And so you need to set a physical timer. And don't just let them play in the basement and

you go off to your own thing. Like you need to be listening to the conversations. Are you okay with that level of language or violence or talk? Some of the games are so violent. Like you can go, you can pick up a prostituted woman. You can rape her. You can shoot a policeman. You get points for all that. Anything that rewards violence, I would be very concerned with. It's teaching your children something, right? Is that what you want to teach them? So I'd ask yourself that. But also, so what we're seeing is kids that are allowed to video game all night. They're hugely sleep deprived.

And sleep is the best way to fight mental health problems. It's just something so simple, sleep. So they're showing up at school, sleep deprived. They're so tired. They're so irritable that excessive video gaming is contributing to what they call now late onset ADHD. kids who weren't born with ADHD, developing it later in life because of how video games is changing their brains. I forgive my laughter.

I listen and I'm like, man, who would let their, and you're going to say quite a few people probably, but I'm like, who would let their kids play video games all night? That just like to me, being a parent, some of it is just the responsibility you burden of saying like, no, that's a poor idea. I like I just think of when I play a video game or like if I do and I'm trying to think of the last time I played a video game folks but it's been a while but it's been in the last year and sometimes you can get sucked in but then your eyes start to hurt like your back even starts to hurt because you're in you're just like and I'm playing I'm just playing like hockey or something you know but I get it it sucks you in it's fun and then all of a sudden you're like oh my goodness I am sore like um yeah and so I guess I'm just like man yeah I don't know to me this seems so basic. I had a survivalist on, uh, and the reason I bring it up, Ian Jones. I brought him on because I thought he was getting, you know, a prepper. I thought he was going to tell me all these, like, wild things. And he's like, you know, like, maybe you should just have some booster

cables in your vehicle. And I'm like, what? And then he's like, you know, and maybe know how to use them. I'm like, okay. And I'm, now he's going, don't let your kids play video games all night. I'm going, oh, yeah, well, that, that seems pretty straightforward, I think. I don't know. Maybe I'm the odd ball, Naomi. You probably have the stats to back up. People don't know that. Well, sadly, you are like the things that our kids are dealing with on their own in the middle of the night are so horrific.

Like we need to get into online grooming and luring and what traffickers are doing in the middle of the night. But like all of these things I'm hearing, I'm like, where are the parents? What are they doing? And they are sleeping. they don't know that the child's maybe snuck their phone back in their room or borrowed a phone from a friend or, you know, video gaming all night, whatever. The parents, I don't know what's going on.

They seem to be a checked out. Oblivious, not there, overtired, overworked. Maybe they work a lot, like especially single parents, I think, have a really hard time these days fighting the powers of all these devices and stuff like that. But yeah, you know, so many of these problems, including our children going, being trafficked or being sexually exploited online could really be diminished if they were involved educated parents who will put their foot down and say that phone is in my bedroom tonight or turn the Wi-Fi off like get the um figure out your router thing and uh set it set it on a timer

turn it off yeah well actually you know more proactive as you're talking i'm i'm i want to be careful I'm not scolding people because I'm like, well, maybe, maybe like you just said, I'm thinking about my own life. When my parents, when I got older, told me no, sometimes no isn't enough, right? Like the, and kids are smart, like very, very smart. So as smart as I think I am right now, chances are my kids are beating me and I don't even know it. So when you when you talk about devices and sneaking them, I'm like, well, that isn't that actually a crazy idea?

I snuck a bunch of stuff as a kid. So your advice then would be to. But the stakes are higher now than ever before. So your advice then would be to lock them up or to have them somewhere where they can't get access to them in the night specifically. Well, first of all, especially at night. But first of all, yeah, like what age are they when you're first giving it to them? Delay that as long as possible. And like I said, start with the flip phone.

Kids do not need smart devices. The Surgeon General of the U.S. recommended no social media before 16. He weighed in on this because the ramifications for girls has been so enormous. Like, you could save their life. I've met so many parents who their child took their life in the middle of the night because they were being bullied and extorted and felt so alone. They couldn't do anything about it. I talked to parents.

Wake up with a gunshot. Like, are you kidding me? like we have to do more and yeah the kids are going to push back and yeah they're going to work around it but would you rather have a child like like like the rates of suicide are escalating depression anxiety self-harm is just through the roof so if anything if you're unsure about this look at the stats and may that motivate you to yeah be the tough parent this is tough love this is not like military you know like do as I say back in our day this is tough love and what these kids are up against on the device we've never seen before in human history and we need to do more as parents to protect their sleep

their mental well-being um their childhood they only get one childhood you only have them at home for 18 years potentially and you know what these kids they're going to remember remember so little from these 18 years. Like when they're when you talk to them at 2530, what did you do? How was your childhood like? Like, huh? I don't remember. I think I was on my phone all the time. Like they have no memory. They won't have any memories from this. And so I think we really need to push back. It's a toxic culture right now. And it's stealing our children of their childhood. Talk to me about the nighttime. You mentioned online grooming and trafficking. And I believe you said specifically at night time, you know, like, you know, you fall asleep and you

don't realize your child gets up or something along that lines. To me, that, you know, I completely get that, that, you know, if you're like parents today more so, nah, maybe not than ever, but, you know, with, you know, most families having both parents working and working their bags off to provide a future for their families and their kids, um, I, could see where this could be a real problem and and you know groomers and and and all that talk to me about it. Yeah. Okay. So let me talk to you about modern day trafficking. The first scenario I gave you early on the podcast where I talked about this young vulnerable girl and then meets a boyfriend and stuff like that. That has now moved online. So what is happening is that social media is the

number one choice for traffickers and predators. They can choose any profile picture they want. They can choose any age they want. So they're never the age or the profile picture that they say they are. And then they use games and social media to reach out and make friendships with children. And so it starts with a simple friend request. If a child has social media or hopefully it's not a public account because that would be tragic. But if it's private, then it will start with a friend request. And remember, the picture is not who they really are.

some you know someone similar to their age perhaps someone that looks really friendly and then they just start chatting with them and they start they call it love bombing so oh you're so funny you're so cute you're so smart oh just showering them with love and attention any child now is at risk of responding to that any of us even from the most solid family is going to respond to that affirmation and stuff like that and then slowly they'll start to, you know, question your parents. Oh, they're so strict. Oh, they're so controlling. They don't trust you. I think you're, I think you're fully capable of, you know, having your own Snapchat account. And so usually what happens is say that conversation is on a video game. Then they'll invite them to take the conversation somewhere more private. And usually that's when it goes to Snapchat actually. But it could start absolutely anywhere. And then so they start chatting, start to plant these ideas in their head that their parents are so old-fashioned and so controlling and stuff.

And then slowly the big ask, which won't start is a very big ass, but what do you look like? Can I have your photo? Can you send me a picture? And so you most kids are going to do that. And because children have been desensitized to sexually explicit material, one-third of children do not see it's a big deal to send nudes today. one-third of children. Don't think it's a big deal. Shocking. We should be horrified by that. That is the process of desensitization. So eventually that conversation will be, oh, you know, I really like you.

And, you know, I'll send a picture of me, if you'll send a picture of you. And by this time, the child might think it's a special friend. This could go on for either weeks, months, or hours. And so then the pictures get a little bit more. more sensitive, let's say. Couple of things could happen. One is that often, if that is a predator, those pictures are being sold.

It could be sold up to 400,000 times or shared, I should say, can be shared up to 400,000 times on these chat rooms that are just full of child predators. They trade in material and they encourage each other. They have a crazy amount of brotherhood, which is really alarming. And so the photos will be traded. The kids think they disappear, they don't disappear.

Screenshot and boom, shared across the world. And then, of course, they will try to get more and more pictures from that child. They can do it in a number of ways. I've heard of these predators that will send them gaming coupons for their favorite game. If they met on a game like Roblox is a big one. I'll send you Roblox coupons and then you know, you just send me of these pictures and they're so clever about how they do it. They probably don't say it as bluntly as I am right now.

But they basically get the kids to go along with it so much so that children are the ones producing so much what they call self-generated child sexual abuse material. So that's what it's called. It's not called child porn. It's self-generated sexual abuse material without even realizing that they're being victimized. And of course it can go farther and farther. These men are wanting them to take videos. And then, so, and sextortion is big, okay?

So for teen boys mainly, as soon as they get that one photo, then boom, they're hitting hard with, you better send me more. I'm going to send this picture to all your friends and family. By this time, they know what school they go to. They know where they live. They know their pet's name. They know so much about them. So their power is quite significant.

We've had so many boys take their lives because they think there's no way out. And of course, there is, there is a way out. But once you send that one photo, you're giving a lot of power to the other person. And then with kids, they're asking them to do more and more horrific things, you guys. And that's why it's so, so, so important. I'm not being a prude and, like, overly controlling mom. Like, oh, my child can not have these phones. No, we have children that are not only sending photos,

but they're being so manipulated to doing more that they're abusing. other children so that these guys can see it, watch it, sell it, trade it, upload it, download it, you name it. This is happening at a growing, growing number with more and more kids under 10 producing, not producing, uploading this content. At night, in their bedroom alone, on their own device. Like, parents, wake up. Yeah, I think you're just reminding me, and I hope a lot of people, you know, like a phone isn't just a phone anymore. It's not like calling your friend on the old dial-up, you know, and it isn't the old flip phone so that, you know, if you go on a road trip, you have a way if you get in a bind to make a phone call. it's really become access to so much information and some of it you know as an adult you don't even

you know you don't even think about it anymore or maybe you do I don't know I can't speak to for everybody but you know the things you can find on the internet is a bit unnerving even to an adult right it's hard to even begin to fathom some of the things and you know we just have a responsibility, I think you're cementing into me of how important it is that we talk that way with our children about the device when they're probably going to be very upset that you, you're holding them out of something that they deem they should have. But there's a lot of responsibility that goes into it. I think that's what you're really cementing for me today, Naomi. Well, and it depends on if you want to raise your kids to be followers or leaders. You know,

it shouldn't be it shouldn't be such a battle depending depending on your language and your view of the world and how you're using the device you know and what kind of kids do you want to raise like do we follow the crowd like it's a very toxic culture and these devices are wreaking havoc destroying lives numbing people out disconnecting people we've never been such a lonely generation and so i think we have to start to recognize this toxic culture that we're in and we want to challenge our kids like what what do you want that to look like and especially right now like we're creating we're helping our kids to create habits for life i keep telling my son i will not be there when you're 18 to set the timer or to check to see if you are still going like someday you will have full access to any website

in the whole world you will have full act you could game all night you can watch porn all night like someday all the choice is up to you. What kind of person do you want to be? What kind of habits do you want to create? What kind of friends do you want? Do you want friends that are going to just do that every day all night and not get out and breathe fresh air and have muscles and like, you know, enjoy nature, enjoy creation? I heard so many girls in university and college. They're so disappointed with the boys because they would rather gain. then take him out on a date. Like, it's changed our culture.

Boys are not interested in dating anymore. They just want a game. That could have long-term ramifications. Well, and you just think porn. Like, I mean, you can have access to, obviously not every woman under the sun, folks. But porn is an endless supply of beautiful women, naked, with just about any fantasy under the sun.

and you can all do that from the comfort of your home, right? It's, it's, um, when you talk about young kids and, and some of the things they face, not only is it teaching them unhealthy habits about what a, uh, uh, relationship is with the opposite sex, certainly, but, um, I don't know, we, as kids, we, you know, like in high school, you know, there was, uh, thrill of going out to the bar, et cetera to be around the opposite sex, right? Like and now I don't know, you look at, uh, um, those similar, I just think of Lloyd. Like there's, there's no, you know, if I want to take the wife dancing, which we don't

get to do that often anymore, but man, do, uh, do I miss doing that? There just isn't the options. And if you go, if you think about that, well, why is that? Well, that's because there's no demand for it. Why is there no demand for it? Because people are doing, I don't know, Snapchat. just take the porn out of the thing for the second and just go Snapchat or hot or not

or I'm trying to think of different ones. I don't know this, folks. But, you know, like all these different apps where it takes all the... Candy crushed. Yeah. It takes all the mystery or whatever, the allure of going or having to go out

to an establishment, whether that's a dance or whatever. To meet people, that's what we had to do. That's what I had to do. I didn't have the option of left or right or up or down or I don't know, all these different things. It's a real interesting problem kids are facing today. Yeah. Do we have time to get into porn? We haven't really touched on it at all.

Sure. Sure. I'm aware of the time. Sure. No, no. Sure. We can talk about porn. Okay, great. Yeah, I think it's really important to talk about what porn is today because again, we need to know what we're up against and why it's so important to delay as much as possible when that first moment will be when our children will stumble upon it or even seek it out. And so I really want to, if I can speak very bluntly about what it is, I'll do my best not to be too graphic. But I think a lot of parents think that porn is what it used to be, maybe a man and a woman having sex, maybe. And porn has changed so much in the last 15 or so-ish years, maybe a bit longer. But porn is not sex anymore.

Don't know if you realize that. What is it then? Yeah. So the average, the mainstream porn these days, that any child, any person in the whole wide world can access within two clicks for free is so violent that researchers who study and document and track everything, they would say it cannot be defined as sex.

It is torture. That is the average mainstream pornography that our children are stumbling upon and getting access to. It is meant to humiliate and debase and just completely destroy the woman. that's often the target. It's often multiple men. And I won't get graphic.

Because if I describe to you an average porn scene, it is so horrific that some viewers would just go in the ditch or something like that. Like it's just, it's so dangerous. Let me just say it is a crime scene that should never have been filmed. Again, that woman definitely did not sign up for that. they are being absolutely ravaged by multiple men at one time. Plus, the racial slurs, the choking, the slapping, the strangulation is horrendous. And why you need to know that parents, because that is available to your children on their

phone, on almost any device, if we are not super careful with our filters, with our house rules, as well as we and sadly we have to tell our kids before they see porn what to do when they see porn and what it is otherwise the natural reaction for all of us would be to like look deeper look further like what is that click on it more because naturally we will all be drawn to that curiosity and especially children are naturally curious and so even though they don't understand what's happening they will be drawn into watching it for a long time or clicking on, you know, when it's a big red flashing button, click here for more. So that's what we're talking about. It's completely violence.

It's degrading, humiliating, and it's not sex is nothing like sex at all. And a couple of things that you need to know. So one in 10 people who stumble upon porn or who go to a website are children under 10. So that means they're stumbling upon it. And then secondly, this is where our tweens and teens are going for sex ed. So talk about the ramifications there. If our young people are going to pornography to learn about their bodies and to learn about sex, boys are seeing extreme violence.

They start to internalize it and they believe, oh, okay, that's what's required of me. That's what it means to be a man. That's what the girls want. Oh, no doesn't really mean no. it means she really wants more. Okay, this is happening. This is how, this is shaping our young people's sexual template. And then girls are seeing this.

Sometimes they're seeing the same thing, not as many as boys, but girls are still stumbling upon porn. And they say, oh, I'm not allowed to say no. Like, oh, I have to tolerate that. I'm expected to do that often on a first date nowadays. I mean, girls on Snapchat were showing, it was trending for a while showing pictures of bruises on their necks like it was some kind of badge of honor because they were the ones that the boys wanted and that's that's just what sex is

nowadays so there that's porn today i've been um i've been i've been trying i don't know if i'll say this name right i've been trying to get on uh lela mickleweight i believe she's an american and uh she's trying to get porn hub shut down and uh yes she has things that are very, very uncomfortable. And I've tried getting her on. I've talked with her a couple times. And it just hasn't happened yet. Because I think people need to know some things like about some of these sites.

And this is, this one bothers me so much. It said on verified model accounts, Pornhub earned profits from the sale of. Then she has some examples. And one of them is a 12 year old drug, boy drugged and raped in 23 videos, a 15 year old girl missing for a year raped in 58 videos and a 16 year old girl. sexually assaulted and trafficked.

I hate to be so gruesome, except I'm like, you know, I don't know how to talk about the subject, but of the porn sites, porn hub is almost in pop culture, if you would. And it's,

I would say, kind of culturally accepted. And then you read that and it's like, well, does anybody accept that? Like, I mean, does anybody like condone that?

I mean, and, and, so, um, when you say it's changed, I'm glad you explained it because I think you're bang on right. And the crazy thing is how accessible it is.

And then I don't think people fully understand, probably myself included, like when you start reading that, you're like, oh my God. Like this is, this is awful. Oh, the titles. And I would not ever go to any site as well, but I do a lot of research and I read a lot about it. and those people do watch thousands upon thousands of videos. The titles alone are so horrific, so violent, so racial, so degrading, like you just,

just so titles should send shivers up our spine and yeah, why wouldn't anybody say like, this needs to get off our internet or at least not be accessible by children? So yeah, you're right. The porn company has the best PR policy in the world. They're very good at making it seem like it's free speech and that everyone chooses it and they get paid lots of money. It's not true at all. The average woman that's being filmed in a porn video, the average time she lasts in the porn industry is three months. And then she's leaving with no money.

Probably her drug addiction has gone through the root. PTSD plus all the diseases that come with that. I mean, we're talking like ruptured anus, like everything, gonorrhea in the eyes. Like this is what they're not showing us in the camera. It is all whitewashed. We, one, we should not be watching this because it will affect your brain.

Anyone watching this right now, you need to really be aware that porn has no end. It will escalate and escalate until you're doing things that used to horrify you before. And secondly, shouldn't we fight for our children's right not to be exposed to this harmful content, which will destroy their ability to have a healthy relationship as they develop and explore their sexuality, which they should be allowed to do without porn hijacking their brains?

So, yes, we need to speak up against it. And we have to realize, too, that, yeah, Hollywood, the introverted. the music industry, the movies, they've all glamorized porn stars, even so many shows refer to it. Like it's funny thing to do and it's not a big deal. We really need to be more honest about what this industry is about. And it is a race to the bottom. They are all for profit. And the way they get profit is more viewers and spending more time. And so the only way to retain viewers and to get new ones is to make it more horrific. And so that's what they're doing is just pushing the limits beyond what's humanly imaginable and they're not done. And so we need to fight this. One way to do that

defend dignity is a Canadian organization. You can go on their website and under get involved. They have ways it's really easy. You can fill out your name and information and you can message your MP. They're just pushing for right now one bill so that making age verification on porn sites mandatory. That's like a simple, I think, no-brainer. We're not telling an adult, you can't do this. We just want porn sites to have to verify their age, which they have the technology. They could do it. They just choose not to.

And so Bill S-210, defend dignity is a good place to start today. if you just want to, like, we need to protect our kids. And right now, this is like the only industry that's unregulated, doing whatever they want, as much as they want. Yes, using rape videos, using child abuse videos, missing children, you name it. I'm sorry, folks. There's very few subjects that get me a little bit squeamish, but rape is definitely, you know,

even reading about I've read books in the past like really really good books where they get a little bit too too graphic if you would on rape and I'm sure people would laugh at me because I probably have a weak stomach for it I just that really really bothers me doing things against people as well and that's what I think this this mickleweight sorry I forget her first name again Lila Lela points out very well when it comes to those different things is a lot of it you think is there for entertainment or or what have you. And that they're all there willingly. And you know, you're finding out more and more that is not the case. I think that's what you're talking about. Curious, you know, Bill C63 layers in a whole bunch of things about, sex trafficking and child pornography and different things like that.

You know, Bill C63 from my end gets, gets hit on an awful lot. because of what it's trying to do to the internet and free speech and different things that are layered in there. But there are parts that you're like, yeah, that's probably portions of that aren't the most horrendous thing ever, except the entirety of the bill. What are your thoughts on it or have you read it?

I haven't read it. I'm sorry, I do not know enough about it. No, no, that's totally all right. And before I guess I let you out of here, I asked Paul Brandt this because he's got not in my city. dealing with sex trafficking in Calgary. And I always go, oh,

this is somewhere in a far off land, but you're here in Alberta, you're talking out about it. When you talk to people and you're talking about, no, it's sitting in her backyard. What's going on here in Alberta that you think people should know about?

Well, I think number one is that children are being targeted in their bedrooms on their phones through any app that they're on. So that is global, but that is certainly here in Alberta. And so again, they are being groomed and tricked for inappropriate photos and or videos. That's, I think, number one. That is the closest link to human trafficking to the average household. That's important.

And then the second aspect of human trafficking would be to meet in person. So using the same initial techniques with befriending, developing a relationship, you know, making the girl feel like you're dating her, and then asking to meet in person. And that's a very, very probable. That can really happen, especially when you share your location, which many of these girls do. And we have seen that happen. There was four girls just recently. I think it was in October, found in a hotel in Edmonton by very young men and I'm quite certain they haven't released details but I'm quite certain well they did say they met on social media and then they hooked up they met they met up

I bet you those girls did not know that they were being taken to a hotel room and there was a lineup of men that have already purchased their rights to these girls that's modern day human trafficking right here happening right here all the time the you know most go unreported last summer here in Didsbury very close very close half an hour from here same thing young girl parents are not involved difficult family life given a phone full access middle-night chatting with whoever agrees to meet the man miraculously somehow in Didsbury small town the police were patrolling at 4 a.m. doesn't make any sense this is a 14-year-old girl

somehow they stopped this guy at a stop sign. I think you ran the stop sign. Within 10 meters was the girl he was going to pick up. 14. She didn't know. I remember that story. She might have. Yes, that's Alberta.

That's happening and it will happen more and more and more. Sex torsion is happening so much. Our young boys, they think they're chatting with a pretty girl. They send a photo because it's what kids do. They don't think much of it. And then all of a sudden, These are criminal gangs from around the world pressuring them like unbelievable, unrelenting pressure.

And again, parents wake up in the morning, their son is gone. That's happening across Canada and those numbers are just skyrocketing. So I think those are three very, very real threats that all of us as parents need to realize this is the world that we're living in right now. We hate it, yes, but there's so many things that we can do to be way more proactive and to empower our children. We don't tell them these things, you know, age-appropriate information always, but we can definitely explain to them a little bit more of why we are putting in these safety measures. It's no different than forcing them to eat their vegetables. Of course they don't want to. We do it because it's good for them and it's going to keep them healthy and safe.

So same thing with internet use and with devices. So I would say that for sure. One thing, I don't know about Bill C-463, I'm really politically illiterate, but I will say that those who are praying on children, they love to use free speech because they use that as their, this is how I am, I have the right to be attracted to children. They even try to change the name. The thing about Bill's, sorry, I mean, the thing about Bill C-63 that should unnerve pretty much every Canadian is, the ability to have conversations like this.

And, you know, there's some different things in there about hate speech and some very, depending on who is in control of that, the fear on my side would be a show like this, you know, that encouraged things like the Freedom Convoy and different things that spoke out against the government in particular. And their complicity and complicacy, complicity. I don't know why I can't spit that. word out. In some of the situations we've built in our society, you know, can be deemed as certain things. And that's hidden in this bill. And that's why it's brought up so much on shows like this

and others, because without the ability to talk candidly like this about a lot of different situations, including what you're doing, I think our society's in a bit of a disservice. So that's why Bill 63 comes up with me because of, you know, multiple different facets. But either way, Yes, that's why it keeps coming up. Yeah, it's touchy for sure because for so often, people say, I have the freedom to buy a person and use them however I like because I paid for their service. I have their freedom to view whatever I want online.

And they haven't shown the whole picture about, well, what about the other person is right. You show me somebody that thinks they can purchase a 13-year-old and I'm going to go punch them right in the face. I'll say that like I just, I have no time for pedophilia. and all these different things with young kids, it just breaks my heart. And I don't think it has a place in our society whatsoever. Anybody that's viewing porn, pedophilia and those men are not over here by themselves.

Anybody listening and watching this, who is viewing porn needs to know that porn addiction escalates and grows. Those people who have been caught with child sexual abuse images on their computer, on their devices, never intended to go there. It is a continuum. It is a slippery slope. The more you consume pornography, you will naturally be drawn into the child sexual abuse images. And then many of those of you feel they have to act it out.

So if we're against child sexual abuse, then we have to be against pornography, which is the same industry. And again, it is a continuum. And I say this because I want to encourage all men who are regular consumers of porn to get help before it's too late. You do not want the police to knock on your door because they have files on your phone. And to under, sorry to interrupt, but just to understand like the danger of it. You know, there's dangers in a lot of things that are deemed not to be a danger, right? and what you're talking about is the escalation of watching or, you know, on and on it goes where that leads. People need to understand that.

I think that's a very valid point. It would change who you are. Yes. And I'm really pro men. I am for guys in this battle. I do recognize that it is a daily minute by minute battle. I feel for guys. Women watch it too.

But men are more. women are watching it for different reasons than men and they're less likely to act it out the guys are more likely to act it out and so it will change who you are it will make yourself unrecognizable to you and there's so much help out there for you if you're nervous about where this addiction is taking you or if it's just taking a larger spot in your life than you think it should i encourage you to go get help on my website redeemed with purpose i have a list of resources. It says tips for parents. And I have so many men have conquered this addiction. And they have found freedom in talking about it. They encourage other men. So there is help.

The brain can heal and the brain can rewire itself. So I just want to offer anyone struggling with great amount of support and encouragement. This does not define you. This is not the end of the story. But you could you could make it the end of this chapter. start a new chapter and I would encourage you today's the day do it today um well you where can people find you you already kind of said it but in case they were like what what was that and they're they're you know racing it and and not just you know people who are addicted to porn it could just be people who are looking to uh you know hear you talk more find and follow what you do where can they go to find you yes i would love that so unfortunately i am on

Instagram even though I'm trying to figure out how to do business without it but redeemed with purpose on Instagram on the internet redeemed with purpose.com I am trying to speak more with communities and groups I always can give age appropriate customized talks to different groups of people depending on what it is that they want to know about. I will be in Cold Lake on April 21st speaking and then on Monday, Bonneville. So the information there is on my website as well. And yeah, and on the website, I sell ethically made jewelry, made by survivors for survivors,

as well as some other goodies on there that just helps to free people from slavery. So I'd love for people to go check it out. Awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming on and doing this. And I'm glad you mentioned Cold Lake and Bonneville. If people in the area want to make a little bit of a trip or in that area, you're coming through here awfully soon in April. And yeah, thanks for hopping on and discussing some of these in my world uncomfortable topics,

but that's what we've got to do here. So appreciate you hopping on and doing this. Thank you, Sean. And I appreciate your courage to talk about this issue. and if we have saved one family, one child from a horrific life, then, you know, it's worth being uncomfortable for a little while.