Shaun Newman Podcast - #619 - Linda Blade & April Hutchinson

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

April is a 3x team Canada Powerlifter and North American deadlift record holder who has been removed from her sport for speaking out against men competing in women's sports. Linda is a former NCAA All American and Canadian track & field champion, chartered professional coach and author of Unsporting: How Trans Activism and Science Denial are Destroying Sport.  SNP Presents returns April 27th Tickets Below:https://www.showpass.com/cornerstone/ Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail]: [phone] – and be sure to let them know you’re an SNP listener.

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I'm going to filibuster here for a couple of seconds while I count down. And we got 11 days as this is airing before the Cornerstone Forum. We have six tickets left for the event. So if you haven't purchased yours yet, you still have a little bit of time. But you're probably run out of time for a babysitter or configuring your weekends, etc., etc. So if you haven't bought your ticket, I don't know what you're waiting for. I know I'd said I was getting hey sell out

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The wife kind of gave me the, oh, yeah, looks good. And I'm like, looks good. Come on. We're going to start it out here. Here's what you've got to look forward to. Chris Sims, Tom Luongo, Mikkelthorpe, Curtis Stone, Prodnick, that's Chuck, Dave Bradley, Alex Craneer. In the afternoon or in the evening, Martin Armstrong is going to be doing a virtual

Ethan Hardy, two-time Grandmaster Champion for Fidlin of Canada. He's going to be due to the entertainment. during supper and for a smidge time after. Did I mention he's a blacksmith as well? Man, just a eclectic group of human beings is going to be in Lloyd Minster on the 27th. Another cool additional feature to this is, so you've got all these speakers,

and I'm going to be doing roundtables throughout the day, but also, for the first time ever on the S&P stage, Chris Sims is going to run two of the round tables as well. So she's going to be running a roundtable at one point with Chuck Prodnick, Dave Bradley, and then Alex Krainner, and her second one is with Curtis Stone, Mikkel Thorpe, and Alex Krainner. So if you're looking for a little different spice on what has been going on on the stage

at the S&P Presents, we're going to have a little bit of fun. We're having a little bit of fun on this day, and the schedule is a banger. Essentially, each speaker is given 14 minutes or less to give where the world is at today. That's the first half, maybe the dark of the world. and then the second half after lunch, the bright side is going to be like, let's talk about some ideas, some solutions, what can you do to help navigate the coming storm of the year ahead? And I'm telling you, I'm looking, looking a little forward to this.

And then Ethan Hardy, you know, I was talking about having a harpist. I think that's what's Harpest. And I think that's still in the cards here for, the year ahead for hopefully the next cornerstone event, hopefully. But this time around, we're going to have a champ, a Canadian champ fiddler on stage, and I think that's going to be a pretty cool feel to it. So if you haven't bought your tickets, go down the show notes. Six left, man, six left.

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That's longer than usual. I'm a little excited. We're getting close. So let's get on to that tale of the tape. The first is a three-time Team Canada powerlifter and North American deadlift record holder. The second former Canadian track and field champion in 1986. NCAA All-American and 84,

chartered professional coach, author, unsporting, how trans activism and science denial are destroying sport. I'm talking about April Hutchinson and Linda Blade. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to Sean Newman podcast. I'm joined by Linda Blade, April Hutchinson.

So thanks for, I don't know, making the tour. Linda's not so bad. I mean, you've been in the studio once. We had a great chat the first time around. But April, you've made, you know, planes, trains, automobiles type thing to get here. Yeah, Hong Kong. How's the trip been out west?

Because this is your first time out to this area, correct? Yeah, I've never been to Alberta. Yeah. Pull that mic right into you. No, no, no, it worries. No, I've never been to Alberta. So my first time, it was pretty good. Minus the airports.

Yeah, minus the little flight delay. But I didn't actually know it was a four-hour flight, so it was a little bit of a surprise. Canada happens to be a big country, as it turns out. Yeah, it was good. Okay, before we get going, I'm going to do this now so that I don't interrupt conversations. I've been doing this. Everybody's like on anticipate.

What is Sean doing? What is Sean doing? What is Sean doing? Here you go. Okay. So a gift for each one of you for coming to the studio. Look at this. Yeah, you got it.

You got to open it up. There you go. What's on inside of it? What is? Oh, look at that. So it's a one ounce silver coin from silver gold bull. Nice. Oh, nice.

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Thank you. Thank you, Sean Newman. And thank you. For the kids' sake. Silver. Oh, silver gold. Silver gold bull is the one with the coin. Silver gold bull.

For the kids' sakes, the group that brought you into Lloyd, Kyle Coza is the guy who paid for the flight to get April out here. Yes, thank you, Kyle. So there's this whole group of people that have come together to help make this happen. And I have you two wonderful ladies in here to talk about some, you know, some of the upside down of our world. And you're both experiencing that. You know, where you both sit, like, I guess I'm just kind of curious to just kick this off.

I'll let you two decide where this conversation goes. But like, where do you see the future going right now? Like, you were, Linda, you were just at a rally in Eminton. Yeah. April, you're living it right now being ejected from your sport and everything else that goes on with that. Where do you two ladies see this going, I don't know, in the next, what are we at? Where April, by the end of this year and into the future, like, is this, you know, you got Riley Gaines and all that down in the States. Like, do you see hope?

Are you pretty beat up on where we're at and where we're heading to? Well, both, right? Pretty beat up. I mean, look at April's suspended as we speak for being a bad girl. For bad girls speaking up when she should have, when she should have. She did the right thing and now she's getting punished for it. However, Riley and so many other people were making progress. And I believe that I think, I don't know about April, I can't speak for you, April, but I feel like there is hope. it's so insane it can't continue that's how I keep looking at like at some point the dam is going to break and people are just going to be so tired of it and we're over it and that was so 20-20s you know what I'm saying and now we got to move on yeah that's what I feel I agree and no and I and like I mean I've told linda this like I'm I'm so tired and I told her this the other day I've lost a lot of sleep and I'm still like

very tired and just this last year has been just mentally draining and I still can't compete to this day I think I can start competing in November and even now I'm kind of toying do I want to go back to the the CPU and you know just for the way they've treated me right I was even talking to linda today like I'm still thinking about suing them for their pure neglect of my you know they've catered to this man you know and and you know and neglecting my mental health right and just you know, suspending me and but I would do it all over again, right? Why should I back down and not be part of Team Canada again? So, I mean, I'm going to keep training.

I will go back, but I mean, I would do it all over again. I do see light at the end of the tunnel. I do have to keep going forward. I do have little nieces to look after that want to play sports. So at the end of the day, if I don't lift again, I guess I don't really care about that. I do care about the future of sports. Yes.

I had a discussion with, it gets into men competing in women's sports. I had a discussion surrounding like, why is that such a bad thing? And I feel like you two can really expand on this because I'm like, well, it's funny. I got Linda and April coming in. I'll just throw it at them. And I can rehash all the reasons why. Because, I mean, last time I had both of you on, we talked in depth of what you saw personally. and then Linda, what you, you know, like just the, the physiology of it.

I think I'm saying the right word. But why does it matter? Why, you know, why should people care? You know, like we literally just read a story about a, I can't even remember the terminology. It's, but essentially Ontario ruled to allow a person to have. Vagina, constructed as well as a pedus. Yeah. Paid for by the taxpayer.

I'm like, I can't believe I'm reading this in the news. and they're flying them, they're paying for it down in Texas and on and on it goes. And you're like, this is, like we're into an absurd land. We have been for a while. But when it comes to, you know, like, why does it matter if a man goes and competes in a woman sport, if he's got all the right hormones and he's got all these things, I don't even know how to ask the right question on this because I, you know, like to me, it's pretty black and white.

But, you know, there's a lot of people coming around to the conversation now and maybe tuning in for the first time. Yeah. Well, I mean, truthfully, the thing that people don't understand if you're not in sports is that there's a lot of situations. I have a track and field background, for example, and there's a lot of situations where you're in a track club and you're training, and men and women are training together all the time. And like even when I was growing up, my coach would, for example, when we're doing hill sprints, give the girls a head start and the boys would start 10 meters later and chase us down. And so the idea was, can you get to the top of the hill before the guys

catch you, like get catch up with you? Like it's a training incentive to be around guys. Like it does force you to be better. Like even NCAA basketball women's teams play men to get better. So there's the training context. And then even before that, there's the recreational context where you have ultimate frisbee leagues, where you've got men and women on team. So there's a lot of different contexts where you can be physically active around with both sexes, but when it comes to serious competition where there's a winner and a loser and you're going for the top, top notch position, when it comes to serious sport, everybody still has to acknowledge that no matter the amount of hormones you put into a guy, no matter whether he's wearing lipstick, a wig, a dress,

whatever he's doing, he never becomes a female, you're never going to get rid of that competitive advantage. And that those two categories are separate. They're completely should be separate. They are separate because they're separate bodies, separate designs, different models. And when I was here last time, I told you, Sean, it's very much like you have NASCAR and Formula One. Like, it would drive people crazy if you went to a NASCAR race and you saw a Formula One car. Because they're different designs. It's not even like whether one will beat the other one, which in human case, a man will almost always beat a woman.

But if he's a terrible athlete, she's a great athlete, she might beat. him who cares but there's no meaning if you don't just separate the different designs they're categorically different and there's no way you're gonna erase that from a from a man's body he belongs in male sport what do you think exactly and we talked about this today there's a reason why men have a 60% advantage over females in in powerlifting right I'm women are not designed to do bench press. So for Ann,

for example, the male power lifter in my category, he went and he beat women by 400 pounds. In the bench press? No, in all combined. I think it was like, forgive me. Even just like, I think it was like

100 to 200 pounds on bench press. It was crazy. But I mean, and that's something I've been training at for four years. And my bench has maybe gone up 10 to 15 pounds. At best, maybe you're a person's bench at a woman's bench would go up 10 pounds per year to 15 so I mean we're just not designed like that so I mean again goes back to we're not designed that way we're just we're biologically different

and again goes back to chromosomes we like a woman is not like it's you're not it's not it's not a feeling okay it comes down to chromosomes so and then I'm fighting my federation on that right now too like right now men can compete at a local level right but when you get higher than comes to testosterone levels, right? And again, I'm fighting them on that too, because now you're setting up little girls to, like, go into their first competition to lose. And what is that setting little girls up to, like, lose on their first event? Like, that's basically setting them up for failure. So what is that teaching them? Well, they're not going to want to keep competing if they're just literally losing and losing losing, losing, even at, like, a public school event, right?

So, I mean, it's just, that's why they have, like, separate categories. It's, you know, it's just, the amount of differences between men and women is, I mean, it's always been separated. So I don't know. Yeah, I just have nothing much more to say about that. You're wearing the Danielle Smith T-shirt. I stand with Daniel Smith. Yeah. Common sense for the win.

What did you think of her policy on just the transgender issue at a whole, right? Because that came out, forgive me, is that two months ago now? Yeah, January 31st. Thank you. What did you think of everything she said? Yes. I was so happy that at least one premier and one province in Canada has the courage to say, look, there is an ideology out here that's quite destructive to children and youth, and it's quite destructive for women's sports, for sports in general. And if we don't find the right guidelines, then it's going to continue to get worse and worse.

and there's going to be a lot of controversy and unhappiness across the province. And, you know, so she's starting with sports, which is the obvious one. You should have leagues that are female only or at least categories in every sport. There has to be at least one category that's for female only. You can have mixed in a, like you can have other kinds of categories, but there has to be at least one category where female athletes can go and compete fairly. Bravo. With respect to the children who are getting body parts cut off too early or puberty blockers blocking their puberty and just going into cross-sex hormones during the early stage,

middle stages of the growth spurt, it makes sense. Don't interrupt growth. Puberty is not, human puberty is not a disease. It's something people have to go through. So, for her to say, look, we're going to limit medical intervention. Maybe you can get some, maybe we can find another approach where if somebody is gender dysphoric, you can find the mental help that you need, get treatment that, you know,

if there's a discord between body and mind, why would we damage the body and not treat the mind? Just treat the mind and leave the body alone. Did you read the 15,000 person study from the Netherlands? Did you see that? Yes. That basically went, you know, like...

It's a big mistake. I shouldn't laugh. It's just such terrible. I mean, like we need a landmark study to tell us that, right? Of course. But, you know, I mean, there's just so much going on where we don't use common sense to go. Like, this isn't good. No.

You know, letting younger and younger kids decide and exposing them to these things that don't make any sense to any adult. Right? Like, I can't imagine what percentage of adults are. actually are like, oh, yeah, this makes complete sense. But the problem is the kids wouldn't even think that thought that they might be born in the wrong body, which can never be true. They might think they are, but who put that thought in their head?

The school system, online people, personalities, influencers. I mean, so without extra help, like if you were just growing up on a farm somewhere, a kid would never think that thought, or they might think, well, I wonder what it would be like if you're a little boy to be a girl. You might have a transient thought that just, oh, maybe, you know, it'd be interesting. But nobody would be convinced, unless you're telling a kid they're born in the wrong body,

nobody would ever think, hey, I shouldn't have been born this way. Like, it happens so rarely, and it's mostly in little boys traditionally, like, very, very rarely. But now you put that online, and every kid thinks they're special and they're born in the wrong body. And then it's supported in the schools. Supported in law. And law and is supported throughout. And then, of course, our government puts the law forward that, you know, you always have to affirm, affirm, affirm. Which means what you're doing is you're taking a child who very well might be gay or lesbian when they just finally go into adulthood.

And you're just saying, oh, well, if you're, you know, non-conforming, like, let's say you're a little boy and you like pink. Like, oh, you must be a girl. Well, no, like, you're going to literally change that boy's physiology. Because he just doesn't play. Likes a color or likes playing. Like that is so transphobic. I can't even believe that. Like that we're back there again.

Like you're saying you got to, you can't be that. You've got to somehow conform to some stereotype. Like that is the most ridiculous thing about all this. Well, like I was, we were talking about it today. Like me, like I suffered sexual trauma when I was a little girl at the age of five.

And after that happened, I literally wanted to be a little boy. because I thought, well, if I'm a little boy, no men will ever touch me again. So for a couple years after that, and then I became, like, I started drinking to help me, like, feel better in my own body, right? Because I was so uncomfortable. I felt like a little boy up until the age of 10. And then I started drinking, right?

But I thought, if I'm a little boy, I won't get abused anymore. But that was sexual trauma. And I didn't deal with my sexual trauma ever. And then I found booze. But I never got help for my mental health. But think of how many kids that have been sexually traumatized. traumatized that don't feel comfortable in their own skin that never have help that don't have the parents to help them They don't like look at our mental health crisis right now

We don't have like I know my city we don't have Hospitals all those psychiatric hospitals have been torn down That go well look it then we have that video you just showed me with that that that leader that's hey come over here like be trans Like you know convert but you know all this other stuff and like yeah I actually think I actually think sorry I that the age should be higher, to be honest. I think it's a little low. No, no, absolutely. That's what the Dutch study,

and now the Cass report came out this week in the UK, like Dr. Hilary Cass did a big review of the NHS and Travis Dock, all of this gender clinics and stuff in the UK. And the report is basically saying, man, like we have to hold off until at least 18 years of age. These kids would grow through it.

They would just grow right through this phase, and they're regretting it on the other side if you intervene and change their body and do irreversible harm the way that was described in Abigail Schreier's book. But, I mean, it's just been so universally sort of put out there. And, you know, the advocacy of the trans activist, the trans movement and the gender ideology is just so prolific in the West that it really has been like a decade-long cult. that had just taken everybody's imagination and made us believe things that aren't true.

And the medical establishment never even did proper research to decide to determine whether this really helps at all or not. You know, people were always told, well, if you don't affirm the body of these kids, they'll commit suicide. In fact, they're more suicidal after. So that's what Hillary Cass was warning, that it's even just socially transitioning, even if you don't touch them medically,

even just socially transition needs, you have to be very careful because it causes mental disruption and mental harm. So we don't know the first thing about this. It hasn't been really researched. And yet we have governments like Trudeau was just putting it out there like,

you must affirm on penalty of going to prison. Like, why? It wasn't even well researched. And now people are saying, no, hold on. In Europe, you know, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, all these places are saying, stop, put on the brakes. This is not the right kind of treatment for these kids. And yet Canada, USA, full speed ahead.

We're going to keep putting them all these drugs and surgery. Well, why? Like, it doesn't make sense right now, Sean. Like, every day, you just look around and you think, what are we doing? I mean, I was at the rally yesterday or the sports rally pro-trans at the legislature. They were all trying to malign Daniel Smith. But these kids, like I had three or four athletes who consider themselves to be trans, and they were all female.

So they didn't even have anything to complain about because we already have women's sports. You know, they're already in women's teams. So they're protected. Like I don't even what you're talking about, but they all have trauma, right? Like I showed you some of those videos. I just sat there in a lawn chair. They didn't know who I was and I'm just sitting there observing. What are you saying?

Like, what's the justification? and it doesn't make sense. They're just in pain, and they're going through sport with these social issues on their shoulders, and they're attributing it to the, oh, the coach didn't use the right pronoun, so I quit. Really? Just because a pronoun? Like, because somebody's telling them, if they don't, then they don't respect you.

Right? And then you get the adults start talking, so the NDP people, and they start talking, and everything they're saying is either misleading or outright false. Falsehoods. Yet those are the kids, those are the parents and the adults or whatever, that these kids, when they go through psychological trauma, they sort of adhere to a bunch of adults who are lying to them. Yeah.

I mean, it's, I don't know, it's, this is why, you know, you're wearing Daniel Smith shirt, right? Yeah. It's interesting for somebody who is in our province, because there's, there's, There's a lot of people frustrated by Daniel Smith on a lot of different topics. But this is one when you bring it back to it. What other Premier has stood up and put their foot forward and even stepped into this? Well, Higgs in New Brunswick.

In New Brunsman. And like on the child, like telling parents, you have to at least let parents know if you're going to trans, you know, you're going to call the kid a different name or whatever at school. That's good. Parents should be involved in their children's lives. And I think Saskatchewan has done it too on that front. Like parents write to know. But they haven't, but nobody's attacked the actual tackle the sports issue specifically except Daniel Smith.

And I'll have to say the reason I wear this shirt and support Danielle is not just because of the sports policy, but because of my past of trauma. Yeah. Can you expand on that for me? Well, I mean, I've only shared my story a couple of times. And I don't really know what the kind of crowd will be tonight. I'm very open to sharing it if it does help parents. But, I mean, like I said, I was sexually abused when I was five. And I mean, I'm very grateful for what happened to me because I would never have found sports.

And even with my whole, I mean, so after I was sexually abused, I, like I said, I kind of turned myself into a little. boy I kind of cut my hair off I hung out with the little boys I hung out with my brother and his friends I kind of molded myself into a little boy I actually was so fearful I thought my own father was going to touch me I thought my my dad would molest me any man that would look at me I thought was gonna touch me when I when I started kidding puberty like when I started developing I would wear hoodies I would cover up my body and I was so uncomfortable.

It was the hardest time going through puberty that I remember just being in a swimming pool was uncomfortable wearing a bathing suit. And again, I thought like even my dad would be looking at me, wanting to be with me and stuff like that. And so I, that's when I started drinking because I thought, oh, you know, that made me incompetent. Like, it just took me away. It just took me to a whole other world, you know, that I didn't have to deal with these uncomfortable feelings. and I started getting promiscuous. And actually when I got abused by my neighbor,

I actually started being promiscuous in the neighborhood. And I got promiscuous with little girls and little boys. And I was like, you know, I wanted to see their private parts. And it just opened me up to being curious, right? And but when I started drinking at age 12 going through puberty, that's when I basically really started drinking, hard and I was probably a full blown alcoholic by the age of 17 so and that basically kind of got me through puberty my drinking and I probably went to my first rehab at the age of 19 that's when

my parents were like wow like we got to send you after rehab so my alcoholism basically got me through those hard times now if I was like that today I could very well be trans You know what I mean? Like if my parents were like the parents today, they'd be like, oh, let's get around some hormones or puberty blockers or whatever. They'd probably be confused. Like, because I didn't know if I wanted to be a boy, a girl, I was having a hard time. I couldn't be with a boy without being drunk. I had my first sexual intercourse sober when I was in my 30s. I felt so scared and so horrible even having sex with a man until I was 30. even to the day I feel very like you know I have kind of a negative I guess

a vulnerable right outlook like I'm with a wonderful man right now but I've always had a very negative out view like a outlook on men I guess that they're just out to kind of use women and but sport helped you right and yes the thing is what we're doing is we're robbing that yeah so back to my yeah so if I go back I always did get into sports so I was always into sports so I mean that was always one of my other outlets besides I did drink but I was always playing sports right so I did play sports my whole life so I mean when I was drinking I would always make an honest effort to be involved in athletics and when I do my speeches when I go to speaking engagements if I didn't have my sporting

background along you know obviously I was drinking I probably would have died right like I probably would have succumbed to my alcoholism because before I did get sober, which was only five years ago, actually. I don't know if you know that. I got sober in 2019. My doctor gave me like basically two years to live. And so I went into rehab September 2019. And she's like, yeah, if you don't quit drinking, you're going to die.

So I checked myself into rehab. And like, I was like, okay, that's it. So I quit. And I probably wouldn't have would have survived. if I didn't have that like desire to live but also the athletic background right because I always made an effort to try to eat healthy or try to work out or do some type of sport right but when I got out of rehab that's when I really started crushing it at the gym worked out every day started powerlifting so can I so can I explain like literally there's a list a list

of how much sport helps girls I don't know if you want me to go through this but like there's like physical health benefits like just what I want people to imagine when I'm saying these things and what I'm going to say next is that any time you impede access or fairness to girls in sport you're robbing them of the opportunity to experience what this is and so first of all obviously there's the physical health you have better sleep better weight management increased muscle mass strength reduced obesity right improves your health. So you won't get osteoporosis when you're old ladies much. So you have stronger bones.

You get all of this physical, like, lowering of the blood sugar and cholesterol and all that. And then you have the mental health stuff, which is, you know, higher body esteem. And you have self-confidence, reduced anxiety, improved sense of personal identity. So identity, if girls go into sports, a lot of times they resolve a lot of identity issues too within themselves. They find friendships, obviously. But it boosts your happiness and just your whole. you know, beta, you know, how you feel about yourself and your personal satisfaction. And finally, the social advancement in sport. Like you're going to have more opportunities to be a leader, more opportunities to learn how to lose properly. Like a lot of little girls, you lose once and you

think, oh, I'm not good at this. I'm going to go away. If you're in sports, you say, okay, I lost this time, but these are the strategies I can use to get better next time. It's not the end of the world. I'm going to try harder. I'm going to win next time. So if you have, if you have a fair environment where you can play out success and failure and understand it, you're going to have a lot more opportunities to succeed in life, to go into business. In fact, the best experiment in this is Title IX, the 50 years of Title IX since 1972. Before Title IX, very few girls were in school, sports, or university sports. It's after-tidal nine between Title IX and, of course, current time.

there's been like a 6,000% increase in women, girls in sports. And what they notice now is when you look at women in like the corporate, like, leadership in multinational corporations, 95% of the women who are leaders in like corporations, played sports. So I'm just telling you that the value of sports, if a girl wants to do it, not everybody, you know, some girls go into music, other girls do other things. But if you are able to do sport and you find happiness and satisfaction in any sport, if it's perceived to be a fair environment and safe, girls can thrive and you're actually

learning to have, you know, empowerment and all kinds of amazing ways of improving yourself, when you break down the fairness and girls know that no matter what, what they do, they're going to lose. Not only are you losing all of those benefits that girls get from sport, you're actually teaching them learned helplessness. You're literally teaching girls are not good enough.

And they go away and they don't learn, they don't get that opportunity. Why would we do that? Like, guys have their sports. They already have a category for themselves. I feel like, and I could be wrong on this, but I think most men will agree with me, probably a healthy.

I don't want to play female sports. Right. I don't think I don't. Why would I? Exactly. I don't want to. Yeah. And so you go, all those great things is why I like playing men's sports because it's

kind of like a men. Yeah. It's our brotherhood. It's a brotherhood. And when there's no women around, you speak different. I'm sure women, when there's no men around, speak a little differently as well. As soon as you have somebody cross that barrier, it changes things. And then you take where, where like, I'm just.

I'm thinking the swimmers, I'm thinking Riley Gaines and all that, where they're in dressing and getting into their swimsuits and everything. And you just take all the safety away from it, right? Like it's already, um, well, it's predatory. I mean, their only way any man is going to be going into a women's dressing room is fundamentally at the core of it. He's a predator. I'm not going to argue with you because I, yeah. I mean, he wanted, it's a self, like it's a self, you know, obviously there's a fetish.

involved, but it's basically using women and girls for your own getting off on whatever. So it's still predatory because you're using them to get what you want. Some thrill, some cheap thrill, some feeling superior because you make them feel uncomfortable. It's a psychological play, and it's predatory. And it's so obvious the way Leah Thomas was acting. He wasn't trying to save anybody discomfort. wanted to see them uncomfortable with his presence there. He wanted that. It helped his fetish. And did I read, forgive me, if I'm getting this wrong, did I not read that he was in a relationship

with a girl while this was all going on? Like, I'm not wrong on that, right? No, and then they had, he had secret, like, online accounts where he was showing bloodied women's bodies. Like, it was, it was, It's, it's messed up, right? Because not only did he, you know, all the story, all the stuff that's come up from Riley Gaines' testimony and others, I should point out, not just her, is like how messed up it was around everything to do with that. Exactly. I mean, the officials not telling, because Riley wasn't on Leah Thomas' team, she only encountered

that at the national championships. So the NCAA leadership and the Georgia Tech organizers, oh, that's where it was, that's in Atlanta, that was that NCAA championship was at that location. They did not warn the women on other teams, hey, look, there might be a man in your dressing room because Penn State has this guy, or University of Pennsylvania. Penn has this guy, or this person, of course, they'd never say guy because they're too woke, but he was a guy. And they didn't, they weren't warned.

So Riley is in there changing, according to what I've heard her say. She's in their channel. So then there's this big, huge man in there with her. Like, it's, it's sick. It's sick and it's, it's just indecent exposure. It should be illegal. I mean, until yesterday, it was illegal to do that. Right?

Like, why would you have a guy fully intact male, six foot tall, six foot three, changing next to all the girls in the changing room. Like it's just, I don't know. It boggles the mind. Don't ask me. We have a swimmer in Ontario going in and changing with little girls. So a lot protects. A man.

A man, yeah, protects them. And the police. I'm sure you've seen Rebel News reporting on that. When they call the police, like the venue says, oh, there's a guy from, you know, Menzoid is coming in reporting on this. He gets arrested. He gets in trouble and he's saying, wait, right behind you in here, there's a man in the little girls change room.

It's an urgent, this is why, I can stay out here on the sidewalk. You go get the guy out of there. And they said, no, that's none of our business. We're just here to deal with you trespass. It just, it really blows my mind. I don't know, you met the menzoid, right? Yeah, I'm good friends with David Menzies, actually. Yeah.

But I know, but I think there's other things wrong with that picture too. I mean, like I'm not going to sit here and blame the police at all for that one because they're honestly just doing their job. But I am almost like blaming the parents too because I'm like, where's the fathers? I'm always asking where the fathers are. Parents have a heavy load in this. Yeah. Yeah. Right?

We've married to a teacher, right? Right. And I, you know, through not just like I shouldn't say just her, but like I mean, teachers and teachers and teachers. general because I get to meet lots of teachers right like and once again not in BC where like you know the trans stuff is like gender affirming is like huge you know Saskatchewans pulled everything third party Alberta is pushing hard and on and on but like the stories I hear from teachers is pretty horrific on the side of lack of parent involvement you know like everyone blame I'm just so busy at work I'm just so

busy I'm just so busy there's some pretty heartbreaking stories out there of you know kids being put in tough positions and where's the parent? And I think, you know, no matter how insane our government goes, right? You talk about the man in the girls' change rooms. Heck, you even do the drag time story hour. That's on parents too, right? Taking them there and thinking that's like.

Yeah, we have a parenting crisis. I would agree. Like parents need to own up, like step up. Like this is serious times. And, you know, your kids are the ones in the crosshairs. And, you know, if you look through histories, their history, sorry, they've been in the crosshairs for long time. You get the kids, you get a whole different future, right? Yeah.

Well, part of my PhD studies at Simon Fraser University in the early 90s was body composition, like growth and development of children. And we're looking at the childhood obesity issue. And, you know, it did occur to me even back in the 90s that part of that issue, part of the problem is still parenting because we had that whole latchkey kids, you know, like the parents are at work, both parents working nine to five. And a lot of families can't help it. I mean, if they have to work, fine, but the kids get out of school at three. So obesity doesn't happen. Like not every hour of the day has the same level of responsibility for obesity. Let's put it that way. you're sleeping from, let's say, even if you only go to bed at midnight to seven, you're not eating and so those hours aren't responsible for obesity. And if you have a good breakfast in the morning, which not all those kids would, but if you have a good breakfast, that hour is not responsible for obesity. So when is, when does obesity happen? Well, probably three to three to five. Well, and if they stay up for midnight, three to midnight. Right. So what I found was interesting is,

because I'm a coach, and when I moved to Alberta, I thought I would be a university professor. And I didn't get that job. Thankfully not. It was Ralph Klein times and there were just no positions because there's a lot of cuts going on. And then I was lucky to run into the Oilers. And I started doing, you know, sport performance, fitness. So I could schedule being home when my kids came home from school. And I lived fairly close to the schools.

And so because I coach in the evenings, I always cook. So when my kids come home at three, I would cook from like one. to, you know, or 1.30 to, like, I had a meal ready because I had to reheat it later anyway, right? So there was like a fresh, like crock pot or a good food, like a stir fry. Like when they walked in the door, that my kids literally had a good, like, snack even then, if they wanted to have some of the food. And pretty soon we got, like, the friend came with them. The, like, three more friends came with them.

And what's interesting to me is if there's a crock pot of stew there going on and it's delicious and it's healthy and the stew was here and the bag of chips and pot were right over here and I'm sorry I can I have to admit they had them in the house but you know what I watch those kids you come from school if there's an option did they grab the chips no way they'd grab a bowl and they'd fill up with stew and have stew they would prefer to have healthy food if it was available. And so I, you know, that just showed me, you know, like maybe, I don't know, maybe our whole system is set up. Maybe they should all get home at five together with the parents. Like, I don't know because, I mean, a lot of it at that time was, I was just thinking, man, and then I ran,

I had one time where I ran for a nomination race for the conservative party of Canada back in 2009. And I remember campaigning and nobody's at home. Nobody's ever at home. Like, why don't kids play in the street? the neighborhoods. Because, you know, in the old days, you think if kids are playing in the neighborhood, if a kid got hurt, you could always go to that neighbor, that neighbor, that mom's home, that mom's home. Like, you could always run somewhere if something happened, right? Nobody's home. Nobody's ever home. So even back, that was the 90s in 2000s. Like I, I've known since then there's just something fundamental that we've lost in terms of the family structure

or the parenting or our ability to do it. Something's going on. And I think what we're seeing now with this trans stuff and the gender ideology, because the kids are, nobody's there to block them from thinking something weird. When a cult comes along, nobody can talk about it.

Like they don't have a communication. We went to our, so, you know, like, I don't think this is a shock to any listener, and probably not to you two. Family doctors are hard to come by, right? Yeah. And so even our family here, we bounced through.

We had a family doctor and then she left. And so since then, it's kind of been like a struggle. And so we finally, Mel finally got the kids in for a yearly checkup. Just to get up, she just wants them checked up to, you know. And so anyways, it's interesting as our kids get older, my oldest now is eight. And then our daughter is six and our youngest is four. And it's funny, it was the first time we've had a doctor's point where they're talking directly to our kids instead of to us because they're old enough to answer questions. I'm like, oh, I hope we pass this, you know, this card.

And it was asking how much, the question was, how much are you on your tablet? And my son didn't understand. What do you mean? Well, how much do you play on your tablet? And he's like, we'll get it for a couple hours on the weekend. And she's like, what do you mean? And he's like, well, I'm not allowed on it during the week. And the doctor didn't, she looked at us and said, how do you do that?

I'm like, what do you mean how I do that? And, you know, like, I'm confused now. Yeah. Because she's trying to pry how much screen time our kids get. And I'm not, let me be very clear, I'm not perfect on this. Yeah. I, I, I, I, but we do have things in place. Yeah.

And she's like, oh, well, you don't understand how many kids come in here. And they, they literally watch screen time every night, every night. All long, all night. From the time they come home from school all the way to bed. And have screens in their rooms and have screen and screen and screen. And, uh, and she was shocked at how. And I was shocked by her, her, you know, like, so you go, like it's compounding Linda I guess is what I'm getting at right you're talking about how people are

eating now and you tack that on now with all the social media that we're all I don't find either of you without social media right so it has its approach oh it's great but also like the access to like saturday morning cartoons as a kid you'd have to wake up at seven in the morning and it lasted until 11 yeah now now my kids get up at seven and they can watch it till four in the afternoon on and they can watch whatever they want for as long as they want if you don't put in restrictions and time limits and different things. We're just talking about that on the drive out, how kids need to have boundaries. Like they're looking, humanity, like the way we think, we want to find where's the boundary

and they're pushing. If you don't give them boundaries, they go, it really is mentally taxing and like spiritually taxing really when a child doesn't know where the limits are where if it's endless time and space and you can do whatever you like at some point there has to be structure i mean human we're we're built for that and if if adults don't give them like this is the line now you can't go over that line like that makes them happy that actually helps them because it gives them something peace peace of mind okay that's the line okay i get it that's the line but that's why there's no one in the streets and that's why there's nowhere to no word to run to it's because i swear social media has been

the worst thing that's happened in 20 years like yeah it's our child the childhood you see today is so different than the 70s and 80s. Right? Like so different. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I grew up in South America, so that's a completely different story. I'm running around.

I think the 80s child was that last good decade. You think so in the last good decade. But don't you think every generation is going to say the last? They might. You always look back and go, it was better in the 50s. And I'm sure the 50s thought, you know, because, you know, you look at the technology advancements. one point they thought having black black black and white uh television was bad thing oh this

isn't going to grow up to mine all the radio and you go like this is wonder i think being able to find you two lovely individuals is wonderful yeah i just you know you have to understand like you have to i think parents and maybe all of us even if you're not a parent have to educate ourselves on how dangerous and i'm staring at my phone how dangerous of it is because it's addictive you know like talking about alcohol, I think we are beginning to understand or no, deep down, how addictive alcohol, drugs, obviously, food, television is. But I think people forget and haven't learned yet how addictive their phone is and how it's programmed, right, to just constantly buzz and beep at you and find different ways. They're trying to pull you in at all times.

Yeah, even like with, even lately, I was talking to Linda about this, how the last month I haven't been sleeping that well and I've had increased anxiety and I feel like I have to go through it's like a device was a detox and I have to literally shut this off I think even just at 8 o'clock because I literally it's keeping me up at night because I'm not shutting it off and I'm just like it really is I'm not sleeping as much and I just like it's yeah it's just like obviously going on Twitter and having I feel like the need to have to post and I have to keep up on stuff and like obviously doing what I'm doing is like I feel like it's a full-time job too, right? So, but yeah, it's...

So having all that, now, having said all of that, bringing it full circle back to women's sports, I find the same thing as you do, Sean, and basically finding April, finding the fair play for women in the UK, finding all these women around the world, you know, like Catherine Deves in Australia and Rowena Edge in New Zealand,

like I can go country by country. We have been finding, finding each other when we have concern about some issue. So that's a good part about it. Like you can go on a Zoom call with women. Never in the history of the world have women been able to, like you might be in your relative villages, but you can actually talk to somebody

who's absolutely on the other side of the world who has the same concern. And you can talk about it with each other, get together, try to formulate some policy you want to put forward, advocate, then write a letter to the United Nations. I'm telling you there are good things about it. And as far as this fight,

we almost have to use the same strategies that the trans activists used when we weren't watching because this whole thing with men and women's sports and basically gender identity ideology in general, it started in the 90s in a big way with a few guys at the Yoga Karta principles, like at the United Nations level also and in the university sector.

It was like spreading subterraneously. We didn't realize it. And that's why now it pops up everywhere you look. But they were just advocating at levels that we had no idea. And they were doing it. They were doing the hard work of talking to the right leaders and getting their policy, their preferred policy in place. Setting the board.

They set the board. And now it's playing out. But see, now we see it, and the majority don't agree with them. And eventually we can push back by using the same technology in a sense. We can use their tactics as well, but we just are behind. And that's why I think we're going to win. And you probably have the thing that at times is overwhelming is it seems like it's going on everywhere all at once. They're like, how did this?

And so the issue you have is like all the institutions compromised. it feels like all the politicians won't speak out because they feel like they have nobody to stand up and be like, no, you're doing the right thing. The loud voice is the activist, right? They're loud. And yet, it's got to be, you know, if it isn't 95% of the population,

it's a majority of the population just disagrees with what's going on. Yeah, and we've all had our heads down and it sort of said, well, you know, well, I'll just mind my own business. I mean, it's crazy, but I'll just mind my own. But at some point it does come to get you. And it comes to get your children.

And it comes to get our sports. And at some point, we say, uh-uh, not anymore. This is too far. You feel like that that's happening right now? I feel that. I really feel like that's what's happening. So are we going to see more of a change here in Canada then? Like you two...

I predict it. It'll probably take another 10 years to be complete. But I think it'll take in a good election. I think we need a change of government, frankly and uh well we need to change government for a lot of different reasons right like trudeau's making an absolute mockery of our country on on on on on a lot of different levels it's it's not just this it's a lot of different levels it's a it's always shock i don't know like you know like is the word shocking like 10 years like a decade to get back to where this isn't a thing you know

that's what i'm saying it's it's gone so far down down the crazy road that we're going to it's going to take a lot of heavy lifting, whether it's laws, policies, legislation, like the rule books, like put them all back to where they were. You think that's possible? Yes, I think it is. I have a lot of faith that we can do that. And then we're just going to have an open division where trans athletes can't. Or a third, like, it depends on the sport.

Like you could have mixed divisions, but I mean, even then you have to acknowledge biological sex. So at some point, even if you have co-ed sport, let's say you have like ultimate frisbee and you're going to have like the same number of men and women on each side. You still have to say who's the man, who's the woman here, and we only have like a distributed number. Like you can't, you have to acknowledge biological sex. And that's what's interesting to me, even yesterday when I was at the the trans and sport rally at the Edmonton at the legislature. What was interesting is one of the girls who identifies as trans or non-binary stands up there and says, I am a female born person who

identifies as trans. So she knows, they know they're born one way. You can't be trans unless you were born one way and changed. You have to acknowledge how you were born. That's the fundamental piece right there. And they try to pretend after that that, oh, the sex part never happened. No, that's how you're trans, if you say you are, which I don't really accept it. It's a thought, but it's a thought experiment with yourself. But I'm saying you start one way and you have to acknowledge that. It's one way or the other, and that's how you started. We can't go through it. Like, it just doesn't make sense.

If we had no, and we said this last time on the podcast, I mean, I said it, if sex, if biological sex is not a thing, it doesn't exist, we wouldn't be eating. We'd starve to death. Even plants have a male and female. Like, I mean, you need it. We live in a biosphere. I mean, we can't go on pretending like it doesn't exist. and it does matter.

And so let's just get back to that point, not shy away from saying that. Well, probably not shying away from it. More people need to catch that bug. Yeah. Right? Because a lot of people haven't found their voice and just think it's going to go away, right?

And maybe you're realizing, you know, like, oh, wait, this is coming to roost in a lot of different places that I didn't realize would happen, right? Well, unintended because So Jody Wilson Raybold, who was our justice minister when Trudeau first got elected, she was the

Aboriginal, the Native woman from BC who was our first amazing. Who got caught up in the SNC Lathland, right? So then, so he treated her terribly. And then just, I don't know if you noticed

on Monday during the eclipse. You remember that speech he made when he first got elected, Sunnyways, folks, sunny ways. Well, about how great Canada was going to be, and now Canada's all falling apart. And he stands on the roof of parliament with his guy. Yeah, he's like a moron.

And he's going, sunny ways, sunny way, sunny way. And you know what? That's a complete troll on the Canadian people because he knows it's not Sunnyways right now. And then, you know who noticed? Jody with Wilson Raebel. Did you see her tweet? Oh, ho.

Look it up, man. It's like she quote tweeted that, him saying sunny ways she quote tweets him something like you know take your dog your shed they're this and that and shove it where the sun don't shine she literally told him that on Twitter and that was like what the a former minister of Trudeau is actually telling him that and she was treated very poorly and so I point she says you can take your house the dog I'll even load it in my car take your mother your brother and your all your tacky friends. I'll even rent you a U-Haul to haul you all in.

Stick it in the darkest place that you can find. Take your love and put it where the sun don't shine. Ray Stevens. For an ex-minister of Prime Minister Trudeau to be saying that is incredible. And when I pointed that out, all the women of course that I know in this fight. They're going, yeah, but she's responsible for Bill C-16. She is, but I bet she didn't understand the consequences. What are the consequences? As far as even like men and women's prisons, you know that in Alberta, 80% of the women in female prisons are Aboriginal descent. So when you allow a white male rapist to be going in there with a woman in the prisons, I don't think for a minute, Judy Wilson-Rabel wanted that to happen.

She didn't know that would be the consequence of Bill C-16. That's what I'm saying. And I think sometimes people do things and they make legislation that they don't realize they're literally, in that moment, she subjected her sisters to a possible male rapist self-identifying into the prison cell. Did she know that a prison warden would take Bill C-16 and interpret it that way? I don't think any one of those MPs thought that that would be interpreted that way. But Jordan Peterson warned that that's how it would be interpreted.

Megan Murphy warned. God's sad warned. All these people warned. And the senators were going, ah, you're not a big deal. You are. Oh, you're just exaggerating. No, it's exactly how. You're checking little.

And I wish they would have a little more forethought in where this is all gone because all those people you just rattled off. have been bang on. Right. They've been right. And actually, certainly would help. Shout out to Jody Wilson-Webel. But if you would come out and say, yeah, we didn't anticipate these problems with Bill C-16.

Maybe we should amend it or do something with that bill. That would help. Have you seen a politician, Linda, come out and say they were wrong? Very rarely. There have been. But I mean... As much time as I'll give some politicians, which isn't much. It's one of the things that drives me to...

It just irritates me because I don't know. I'm going to speak like I can get into politicians' mind. But it shows weakness and I think then it goes to the polls and everything else. And I just go like, if you get something wrong, let's clean it up because this is, we keep going down these paths of like getting darker and darker and darker and darker. Everybody can see how insane it is. Yeah. You know, like at this point you could be sitting in the liberal party going, like, are we really going

going to keep going down this way? Why can't we just like reverse course, you know? And then the carbon tax. half of them are going to lose their seats over that. And I mean, it's just, it's mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling what's happening and why politicians, when they make a mistake, cannot say, look, I didn't anticipate that that's how it would be taken.

We got to put some more restrictions in or some more sort of advisories in about, you know, like in the UK when they did the Equivalent Equality Act, which is also the gender identity thing, they literally said they had sex-based exemptions. They literally put the exemptions in their women's sports. There were things they put in there knowing that if you say, your human rights say that you can't discriminate on the basis of gender identity or gender expression,

you still have to have a space for biological reality and sex-based provisions. Unfortunately, the liberal government in Canada was too dumb to realize you needed the sex-based exemptions, So they just put the Bill C-16 in there. Jordan Peterson was trying to tell them, no, you can't just do it like that. And they weren't listening. And they didn't look at what other countries like UK did to protect, you know,

sex-based categories like women's sports. So that was a big mistake. And I really, really hope that, you know, when and if Paul Yev and the Conservatives get in, they start to undo this crap because it's just, That bill is very damaging, including Bill C4, which is the conversion therapy, which isn't conversion therapy. Who's the, and forgive me, I've had her on the podcast, and I'm forgetting her name right now. She's from New York. Karadansky?

No. Oh, Jennifer Beelick. Jennifer Beelick. Yeah. You know, when you listen to her and see how much big money is tied up in this. Yeah. you think like it doesn't feel like it's it's going to be that easy where it's just like you know common sense just walks in and and do it and right when when you got rich billionaire men who's funding it

we still have to figure i mean we still need to know specifically when it comes to canadians i know there's billionaires out there that are promoting the ideology i know that and they pay off certain groups and certain people like i i have a strong strong strong feeling that even at the olympic level somebody got something. Because you're not going to ruin your credibility as the brand. Like you're literally ruining your brand when you allow men into women's sports. You're ruining your brand. And they're even going to put their brand at risk to promote the ideology.

To me that means somebody got something to do this. It has to mean that. Because the brand can think of how like it's worth billions itself, the brand, the Olympic brand. It's probably worth, yeah. That's the same with the Canadian Powerlifting Union. They've admitted that they're going to lose money if they speak out. Yeah. So somebody somewhere in all of these things, it's like, man, if you had real, real transparency

on where the flow of the money is going to promote this, I think we'd all be shocked. Maybe not shocked. Maybe it'd explain a lot of things. Maybe it'd explain a lot of things. Yeah. That's what I think too. But I still think because people want to get voted. into office now that more and more of the public is finding out about it through things like this

through podcasts and you know Twitter and everything I really think that over time the public is just going to be educated about it they're catching up to where you know I've been in it for six years people are catching up they're finding out you're seeing more and more in fact Sean is almost impossible for me to keep up even now with Twitter or who's saying what so many people now are Or talking. Talking, right? And it's almost important. Like I would say, Linda, I think when you said a decade, I actually would say less than a decade.

Just because, like, this is kind of, like, I think everyone's got their own take on this. And just for me, I feel like things really kind of exploded after COVID. I think there was a lot of people sitting at home during COVID. And I think that's when this whole trans thing just really exploded. I feel like this ever went back to work. And I just I just thought it really blossomed after that. And I think, because to me, I didn't, I really didn't hear a lot of it. I heard a little bit of it.

I mean, I mean, decades or, I mean, maybe 10 or 20 years ago, you've heard of like, you know, not transsexuals, but there was cross-dressers. I mean, men and women's sports wasn't really a thing. I mean, until maybe the last, I know, how many years would you think? well since at least um i would say probably 2019 when the Connecticut boys were there like it started to become a bigger and bigger thing and then there was Laura hubbard oh and then Rachel machel mccan yeah and then a cyclist and then laura hubbard laurel hubbard obviously yeah but um but anyways and then we started openly talking about it but even when i started talking about it even just alone on my Facebook and social media platforms people would be like they would even even even touch it. They were like too afraid. And then some people that were very like more liberal or

leftist would be like, oh my God, you're so transphobic. And I'd be like, okay, well, we're not going to have a discussion, right? Or they would just delete or block me, right? But now, and that's when I was alone, right? And that's when I found you. And then all of a sudden, I wasn't alone. And it was almost like a snowball. And then all of a sudden I had a couple more people behind me. And then I found icons and Riley and now I have a whole freaking army behind me like and now I can literally say I have like 99% of the population behind me like I feel like so so supported this all the people you've been interviewed by like I was I just talked to Jordan Peterson like you literally just called me on the phone we chit-chatted for like a half an hour I did a podcast with his

wife I like I said to Linda the only person I literally haven't talked to is Joe Rogan I think I've talked to like Tucker and like everyone else and um begging can't Megan Kelly. And then I just, I've talked to everyone and now, like, I post something on Facebook. I got 100 people, like commenting going, you go, girl, like all this support. And it's just, it's overwhelming. We're so proud of you. Yeah.

And even just going into a restaurant in small town. Hey, you're April Hutchinson. Like, I go. It's awesome. Yeah. And it's not that I want to be recognized, but I do because I'm getting recognized for something, for helping a great cause and for, you know, for something I am. I love the hopefulness. The only thing I'll contradict it with is it's just it's so steeped into law now. And if I've learned anything about politics and law and everything it moves

and it's such a snail's pace. Now in saying that, it doesn't have to because when the fire is underneath, you see politicians move real fast. But you think this is what this is what when you go with Jordan Peterson speaking to Jordan Peterson. Speaking to Jordan Peterson, talking you. You remember, like, I, I was late to the Jordan Peterson. I think, you know, certain people watched it, what was it, 2016? Yeah. When he's testifying, maybe and then it's 2018 again. And I'm going, what is he talking about? Like, I just couldn't even wrap my brain around it. Here we are, six years later, maybe longer, six to eight years later. And we're starting to see exactly how crazy it got from them putting into law, the pronouns, and now it isn't human

or it's not mankind. It's got to be people kind. It's got to be on and on it goes. And you're just like, we're into stupid land. We're so far. And so when you go 10 years, I'm like, well, it took us eight years to get into us. Maybe longer, probably longer. And so 10 years actually doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.

I hope April's right with the, because I like a little bit of positivity. Nothing wrong with that in this studio. I like that. But I think that's where it's shifted. So a year ago, I was kind of captured too. Like a year ago, I was like, oh, I have to use pronouns. Like I actually have a workplace where it says you have to, you know, I work for a government or a city job. I actually had trans activists go after my job.

And that's why I talked to Jordan, because I said, hey, Jordan, we have a lot of similarities. So I said, I had trans activists go after my job. And I went into my workplace and I said, I'll just let you know that I do not believe that a man can ever become a woman. but I will tell you I'm always respectful in my workplace if my policy says that I have to use pronouns which I never have had to use in my work but I'll always be kind I'll always treat people with respect I will use them and then I said okay well let's go through these complaints and they took 50 screenshots of all my tweets so I sat through all the tweets that the that the uh they submitted and they actually said April you're actually really respectful to all them like on all your tweets and I actually

one of the tweets was like or one of the messages to the trans activist was would you like to sit down and have tea we can discuss if you want to have a meaningful conversation like that was one of my messages to them so they dismissed it and I didn't lose my job and they said no you're a good employee so like but I told Jordan that and I was just like but like what I'm saying is like I was actually a year ago I was very captured and I was like oh I have to use pronouns someone called me a bigot and I was like oh my God I come to call me a bigot like oh my God like I was just freaking out and I was just freaking out But now people actually don't even call me a bigot anymore or transphobic even. But before it used to like bother me.

Now it just rolls off my shoulder. I don't care because I know who I am. I'm a good person. I mean, I mean. But a lot of people is not transphobic. You know what I mean? So like. A lot of people are over it though.

Like yeah, over it. You know, I'm just thinking, you know, the human, the humans learn. So, you know, time doesn't stand still. We're not where we were in 2016. We're way more aware of all this crap and where it takes us, you know. and the truth is, like, okay, we're all old enough to remember when the phone rang, you should pick it up. Right, like the phone was really important, the phone call before the cell phone times. And then you started getting robocalls.

Well, then you started getting the telemarketer at the supper time. Yes. Right? They figured out real fast that people were sitting around the table. Yeah, but then people just decided, you know, we won't answer the phone. I mean, if it's ringing and who cares? Let it go to the voicemail. Right?

Or the message machine. You ignore it now, right? It's the same. You ignore. Once somebody's abused it too much, you ignore it. And that's what's happening with our language police. You tell me I'm supposed to say this word or not that word. Well, actually, now comedy's starting to get a hold of it, right?

Because, you know, like, I chuckle. You know, the mashup, which airs on Fridays, right, for people that wonder where that show went. It was a Tuesday mashup. We moved it to Friday mornings. We read the newspapers over and over and over again, and sometimes it gets us a bitch too much. But the lovely thing about Tews is, you know, he loves to just implement a little bit of humor into it, right? Because everything's trying to appease everybody, right?

Can't call you fat. We've got to call you a high-calorie human, which is even funnier. I know. It's hilarious, right? That we have all these ways of trying to make everybody feel good about themselves. Instead of just, you know, my grandmother, she just used to call a special. A spade, a spade. It hurt, and then you got over it, and you went on with life.

But she comes from a generation that lived through one world war, depression. She lost a son when he was like, I forget what Tommy was. Forgive me on this. Was it 13, 12, got hit by a train here in town, right? So she went through things. And there was just no space for trying to make you feel good about being overweight. It's like, listen, maybe you put down the Doritos, okay? Maybe get out and exercise a little bit.

Oh, you think you're a boy, you're not. Yeah, yeah, forget it. And so we need more adults in the room to say those things to say, no, that's not true. You just, you know, not buying that. And I think a lot of people are getting there, a lot more than before, I think. I hope you're both right. I appreciate the optimism. I think any time you step in here and there's optimism, you know,

because the episode right before you, fine ladies, is Drew McGilvery, and he's veterans for freedom. And he's talking about some of the things in the military coming down, you know. And there's some pretty tough stuff he's talking about in there where you're just like, man, alive. We're in a dire situation here in Canada. We don't have the leader at the helm of this ship that's going to turn it around.

Actually, it feels like he's driving it straight into the cliff, you know. And when it comes to men competing against women, he's all for it. Oh, yeah. and thinks there's nothing wrong, right? So it's, and you know. One more year, my friend. One more year. One more year.

Well, I know what, that's the thing. We've still got another year to go. But, I mean, and how much damage can be done in that year, too. But I just think, you know, honestly, we just have to hang on for dear life until we change the government. And Linda and I aren't going anywhere. Well, I'm going to India. Well, you are. But no.

I'm moving to India, actually. Are you moving to India? Yeah, higher bad. But I'm saying you're going to keep. fighting and that that's why I said to Linda like I literally found my calling through powerlifting like I love my advocacy for this and like I feel like I'm such a strong person and I just like I love fighting for this and I found other strong females and like I just want to continue fighting so I mean I think you all too whether you're

India or whatever internationally we need still more advocacy at the international sports level anyway so I mean I can work anywhere on earth well well well my husband's Dean of Agriculture at UV. When I made the joke about, thank goodness you aren't a professor or didn't get hired. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, no problem. But no, there's two five-year terms. And now he's got a job with the world food security kind of thing, like an international

agriculture research stations all over Asia and India, parts of Africa. So when I take the podcast on the road and go travel the world with the family, I'm welcome to come visit me in India. Oh, I'm going to visit. Yeah, you're going to come visit me, yeah, where it's a lot of Africa. We're in Hyderabad, no, it's a big research farm, research station international, and, you know, I'm looking forward to it. I mean, are you looking forward to getting away from, like, because, you know, you've taken,

you know, you've written your book. Yeah, I'm a book. Un Sporting. Yeah, if people haven't picked it up, it's, the thing about reading it is, I just thought it laid it out, I think I said this the first time around, but regardless, if you haven't picked it up. It's, it really lays it out nice and simple. Like, there's just some things I remember highlighting, I'm a highlighter. I'm like, oh, man, that's, well, that's good. Well, that's good, right? And I'm like, okay, I've got to stop highlighting every page kind of thing. But it laid it out

very well. Like, even just like simple things on body composition and different straightforward things, you know, that should be. Yeah. Are you excited to get away from, not that you're stopping the fight, but like at the same time you live in Eminton and Emmington is, well, I mean, we got McDavid. I won't miss the winters. Yeah. Apparently it'll be super hot, which is the other side of it. But, no, but I just think, like, sometimes if you're in, in sort of in a different context, but you're living life more outside in the sense of not always, you know, totally sort of on your iPad or, you know, you're going around,

you're seeing new cultures, different things, villages. I always enjoyed it. Like when I, before we've done different contracts. previously in Africa. And so, you know, I've always been out there and you go through the villages. You just, you'd live life a little bit differently. And I think it is going to be a break from, yeah, just Canadian politics, I guess, in a sense. But I did my, I did tell you about my success. When did I come here? Did I tell you about what happened at the policy convention conservative party of Canada? I don't know if you did or not. Right now I'm remembering how you're

husband asked you to marry, and all that. I told you that story. If people want to go back and listen to both of you, right? April's been on, you've been on. Yeah, my previous time on this. Go back and listen to those.

Yeah. That was pretty funny. I don't think you have. No, no. But so what happened was in 2022, I realized that every couple of years, the conservative party of Canada, has a convention, a policy convention.

And I thought, hmm, I looked at their policy declaration and realized, you know, under the section of women, I could actually add a few things and have like sex, you know, sex-based guidelines for like women-only sport and things like that. So I started going to my local EDA meetings, like the local Edmonton Strathcona conservative party meetings. And about by December 22, I was. was like chair of the policy committee by 23 the year of the policy convention then you have to get into a special website where everybody dumps policy ideas into the big ideas lab and then over time

they would lend down so it starts about 200 policies and only at the very end by the time september rolls around at the convention which was in kovac city list last year then you have to go through the workshops at only 30 policies of all submissions from across canada only 30 policies sort of get passed and put into the Conservative Party Declaration Manual. And we had two from Edmonton Strathcona. The one was women. When the word woman appears in the conservative handbook, it means female person. And so we defined woman, and we had a limit, like a 50-word limit or something of anything we wanted to add.

So then I had to squeeze in the Conservative Party of Canada believes that women deserve female only programs like sports and spaces like bathrooms like it was like this whole thing we put in there and that one passed we don't even have a sitting MP Heather McPherson is like the NDP person in emminton is my MP so we didn't even have a champion but it was almost unheard of the emton Strathcona one riding could get two policies without any champion into the policy so we had one which was the women's one and then the other one a lawyer on our EDA board wanted to do something that applied to what Jordan Peterson's going through, no ideological indoctrination as a condition of employment.

And both of those made it and now are sitting in the Conservative Party of Canada policy manual so that when and if Polyev gets into power, he has the option now of following up. and then the population needs to put his feet to the fire yeah exactly he is the he's a bit slippery maybe but like no he's a pole guy right he looks at the polls and he goes oh they're they're they're against this okay i'm against it okay oh they're for this oh over that's the point at least we have a chance if it's part of the conservative party platform or at least in their policy declaration at least then when you pressure them you say look it's in your policy do something about bill c16 do something about it.

At least it gives us a fighting chance that he might. So we'll see. Well, I appreciate both of you ladies coming in here. We're going to take a brief pause because we're going to do a clip. We're going to do a five-minute last question here for substack and have a little bit of fun there. I'm going to invite everybody to come over there. Obviously, you know what to do. Come on over to substack with us and we'll see what we can cook up with Linda and April.