Shaun Newman Podcast - #628 - Jack Millikan

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

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I'm starting to get my voice back, which means I'm starting to do better. Man, it was pretty rough there for the last couple days. And you can still kind of hear and I can still kind of feel it. But it's slowly coming back. So, you know, it was a great weekend. and I got a couple thoughts there before we get there. Silver Gold Bull, favorite precious metals dealer here in Alberta, offering a full suite of services to service to help you buy sell and store precious metals.

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And I thought yesterday we aired Martin Armstrong. I was going to talk a little bit about it, but I could hardly talk. So, you know, that'll be the one thing that gets aired on the podcast. Honestly, I wasn't even going to air it, but then I couldn't talk, so I had to cancel an interview. and I did not see that coming. That's the first time in a while. I can't even get this voice working.

So we heard what Martin Armstrong talked about Saturday evening. The rest of the Cornerstone Forum has been professionally recorded. I'm excited to see the video. I'm told it won't be out for a month. So if you're expecting to see it here right away, you're going to have to wait a little bit. And then most likely, most likely we're going to put it out on substack. so if you want to get exclusive

behind the scenes footage of the Cornerstone Forum substack will probably be the place where it goes and I'll keep you posted on where that is I should point out a huge thanks to all the people who showed up I think I said that the other day

but I really mean it there's people from all over the place and I know me and Jack talk a little bit about it also you know some of the companies that that lend a hand was super cool t bar one transport bull valley credit union uh the deer and steer butchery rec tech and uh yeah it was it was cool they they landed a little bit of a hand to it and to the ladies

terran bonnie they worked the front door i completely spaced on giving them a thank you saturday night and uh the wife mel she helped work the door as well so there was three of them that really uh uh uh helped a lot set up you know getting everything ready and i couldn't have done it you know they take so much stress off me and then you forget to even give them a shout out what a what a moron i am regardless here's your shut out they they did fantastic work and uh appreciate them helping out with this event for me now um people wouldn't ask them when's the next event when's the next event when's the next event when's the next event keep waiting i'm uh i'm just decompressing right now and trying to get my voice back

so I don't sound like a old smoker. Either way, that's all I got for you today. How about we get on to that tale of the tape? He's the editor of the Sean Newman podcast, among others I might add. I'm talking about St. Louis Jack. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast, folks.

You can hear it in my voice already. I'm annoyed. I can't seem to get my voice back. I got Jack, St. Louis Jack, Jack, Jack Milligan in studio today. How are you folks? What did you think of the weekend? I think you did a great job. It was an awesome event.

I think we've talked about this a little bit, but it was good to see someone like McKell talking with someone like Curtis and then disagreeing on stage. I think that was really healthy and really good for everyone's perspective. Yeah, I was talking to, man, I'm going to be tickling some eardrums today. I'm tickling my own. It sound like an 80-year-old smoker, you know, the one you see it, bingo, just ashen everywhere. Anyways, we had a full house for those who couldn't make it.

All the, if you sneeze again, folks, you got, like, I'm going to take video the next time Jack sneezes. He sneezes and keeps it in. It's just like, it's very polite. It's a polite thing to do. What is polite? Can somebody tell, like, is this a number? St. Louis thing? It was at least in my home.

He's saying instead of just having a sneeze, holding it in, is the polite thing to do. I disagree. Well, I don't want to, it's like you're essentially spitting everywhere. I'm not saying you sneeze in my face, man. Okay, all right. But you can sneeze into your arm. You can sneeze away from people. Get it out.

Now, if I just turned over and sneezed into the wall, would that be acceptable? What's wrong with that? You'd be okay with that. Yeah. I spit getting all over the wall and. How do you sneeze? I get it. Sometimes, you know, your body's trying to tell you something.

You just got to let her go. I'm not saying, like, I get it. Like, you know, you're in a tight room with me and you're trying to be polite. So you could turn that way and sneeze. Gets up in the air, man. If you're alone, you never just sneeze. Do you just ever just sneeze? If I'm alone, I'll sneeze.

I'll let it out. Yeah, I'll let it out. That's wild to me. Wild. Wild. I mean, He never had A&W before, folks. I'm just like I'm ruining this kid, you know?

I don't think we don't have any A&Ws in St. Louis. What? We have the soda and refrigerators, but that's about it. All right, well, there you go. Okay, back to the event. We had a full sold-out event. Vance was asking me, he said, you got to tell me a little bit about it

because, you know, obviously they weren't there and it didn't live stream. This will be the first time that's ever happened where I did an event and did put it out right away. People got to hear Martin Armstrong yesterday, which, you know, on the podcast, that's the one thing that will come out from the event. And the rest of it was filmed.

I'm told, you know, it's going to be a month before it's all edited and looking sharp and everything else. Those boys put in some hours. They were running around like Mad Men with the three cameras rolling. So I think the filming of it's going to look pretty sharp. But you're right We started at 8 a.m. Doors open.

We started at 9 And we didn't stop talking until 4 o'clock And it was fast and heavy And Curtis Stone and McKell Thorup At times stole the show Because they argued on stage In a very respectable manner

Right? They just, it was enjoyable It's enjoyable to see people argue again Yeah, and it was really It was whether you should leave the country And if you do leave the country So McKell is on the side of leaving Canada and going somewhere.

And so he's in Panama right now, I believe he's stated. Correct. You know, he's talking about, you know, assimilating into the culture of where he's at and, you know, building these relationships. And then Curtis, on the other hand, was saying, you know, when your kids get hungry, those relationships are going to go out the door and all hell is going to break loose

and they're not going to care about how ingrained in the culture. Gringo on the hill. Greengo on the hill is what he said. Chuck and then Chuck Prodnick probably would be in the camp of Curtis Stone. I don't know. I would love to have Chuck. It was my one thing I wish I would have done. I wish I would have put those three on stage together

because I would have been really interested to hear Chuck's thoughts or share his thoughts on what Curtis was saying and what McKell was saying, right? Because they were just on different sides of the coin. McKell's saying you can go anywhere in the world and have community. You don't, you just don't show up and barricade yourself in and the world's going to come, you know, steal you out. And in fairness to Curtis Stone and a lot of Canadians here in COVID land,

when that was going on, that's the way it felt. And that's the way things went down to a large extent. That's why Curtis Stone moved out of the city. That's why he tells people to get out of the city. That's why he didn't living in the country is because he could see how quickly things were deteriorating, I guess. And you guys had, you about to sneeze? No. Oh, okay.

No, I feel like I should be like clearing my throat or something. And if I got to sneeze, folks, I'm letting them, I'm letting them have it. I mean, you know, he's so worried about a sneeze. But I think it's great. It's perfect. They were telling you, or Canada was, I mean, they were incentivizing people to report on their neighbors, weren't they? As far as, yeah, we had snitch lines. Or too many gatherings and, yeah, snitch lines.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it's insane. So when I listen to Curtis Stone, who lived through it versus McKell, who's been on the country now for almost 25 years, you can understand the difference in. views on how things go. But it was lovely. I think that entire discussion was lovely.

Like as soon as I saw McHale roll his eyes, I'm like, oh, we got to lean into this, right? Oh, Mikel, you know, it looks like you disagree. Let's talk about it. And I think the entire audience agreed to disagree, enjoyed a disagreement. Oh, yeah, totally. Now, so I was curious about the 15 minute,

or there was 14 minute format for each guest. What made you decide to go with that? Because I don't know. found myself with certain people where I was like, oh, if they just talked for the first 30 minutes, or, you know, everyone has their conversations at the first half after lunch, then you go to round tables for the rest of the afternoon. What was your reason? Explain it and then what was your reasoning behind it. So, as I told people in the audience, it's an experiment. I'd never done it before. I've certainly done that format, but not over and over and over and over again.

I find that whether it's a concert or it's a conference or it's getting people in, if you do the same thing, there's a limit, that the brain can handle, that the buck can handle, right? Like, there's just a limit. And there's also a limit to someone's voice, in my opinion. So, like, if you listen to Alex Kramer, I love you, Alex. You're amazing. but he had a 25 minute he went over by 10 minutes 11 minutes and we laughed about it

and it was a good point and he was reading an article but what I noticed from the crowd as soon as he hit about 17 minutes his people started to pull at their phones they were you know they've been sitting one guy fell asleep right and so the reason I like

the way I do it is if I wanted to workshop like we're going to come in and we're going to learn how to sew well I hate to break it to you there's going to be some theory then there's going to be here's the stuff and then you got to go and show them and walk them through it. Okay, that's one type of conference. The type of conference I'm doing is ideas. I need people to be bouncing off of each other as fast as we possibly can. And I find the best things usually come out of that. I could

be wrong. And so 14 minutes is actually two minutes longer than I normally give speakers. I usually give them 12. I have found 12 to be perfect. To me, it is just like beautiful. Van, Chris Crowe when he was on stage, Tanner in a day when he was on stage, both of them did it in about 11 minutes and 59 seconds and I almost, they could just mic drop. It was perfect. Now, professional speakers will tell you that Twelike, like putting stuff in to have like something that means something, you know, an arc of speech is really difficult. So I guess long-winded, the reason I went with 14 minutes is I looked at the time and I went, I got to find a word. way to get seven people because I had Chris Sims as well. And if you stick me in there, eight people to get as much from the day as possible, which means putting them on stage and the audience as much as possible by putting them on

the stage in ways that they can stay focused. And if you watch the crowd, I do, it amazed me. They arrived, something arrived at 7.30 in the morning. Most eight. They had their coffee, whatever, and then they sat. tad until 4 p.m. And they moved almost nothing. I was waiting for like

15 people to get up and like, you know, go for a round in the casino or I don't know. Even just leave for an hour because you're stuck in this room. Nobody left. It was wild. And so I really like, it forces me to be on top of my game.

It forces me to take a lot of criticism and not criticism. A lot of jest, right? Lots of poking like, oh, I'm over time and whatever. And yet, The amount of people that came up to meet at the start and throughout the show will say the same thing. Thank you for keeping it on time. I never get bored. And even if I don't like somebody's speech, I know they're ending and I know the next person's coming.

And then why I didn't do, your second question was, why didn't you do all the roundtables? It's the same in the afternoon. It's the same reason as not allowing somebody to do half an hour or to have seven speeches in a row. You need to break it up. And so it breaks up. Chris Sims two of the round tables to break it up from me because my style is different than Chris Sims style so when I get on stage I like to let them just riff you just talk I don't care what we get to I want to hear them interact I want McKell and Curtis

Stone to disagree and to talk about the disagreement I think it's great Chris Sims is old school reporter it's unreal and I guess what I'm trying to point out is is I want disruption so you never know what's kind of coming you understand oh speaker speaker speaker speaker roundtable you understand the format but there's such diversity in the speakers and then the round tables were constantly changing these three and a different host then the next three in a different host in the afternoon the three's got switched up so you never get the same thing that's what i'm going for yeah fair enough i think it was good i liked it i get brett kissel country music artist that you

probably don't know who that is well i do because i edit the podcast fair fair i just mean are you a Giant Brett Kessel fan. I have not listened to his music. No, transparently speaking. The thing I liked about him on stage, as I've seen very few performers, command an audience like that. And did he perform in Lloyd Minster? Yeah, he did.

I've been calling it Lloyd Minister up until, oh, Lloyd Minister. Lloyd Minster. No, Lloyd Minster. Yeah, yeah. I watched him do, and I am as tough a critic on anyone. Like, I'm hard on myself. I'm hard on anyone's event because I just, it's hard to turn it off.

And my voice getting in your ears? No, I just, that's getting itchy. He took the headphones off, folks. I feel like it's probably, I'm probably, people are turning me off, left, right, and center. No, no, your voice is fine. He had a way, and I talked about it, way, I've taught, I continue to talk about it because it just, it enthralled me. I sat at the back of the Lloyd exhibition grounds where he was playing, and I just watched the people. best place to watch a concert room it was it was beautiful he had like if there was 800 people there 10

2,000 people there you I don't care the number you get the point if it was if it was 2,000 he had like 1,200 of them standing at the stage and every time they'd start to leave and I'd watch them he'd start playing a new song and they'd all kind of and he pulled back and I watched him change he played a slow song and a bunch of people went to sit down the next one he was barking orders in the best possible way, and they picked it up again, and everybody came back. And I'm like, that's really interesting. Like, he has control of the audience. And I think Brett Kissel, if you're listening, I think you're a great musician, but you're

not Garth Brooks. Maybe someday you will be. But like there's Garth Brooks. He can get up on stage, and he's got like 40 number one hits. It's insane. He is the greatest country musician of all time. Brett Kissel, though, on a stage, I've seen very few people do what he's done. and I guess I'm you know Jack probably wants to squeeze in a word here hey folks to me on the

stage when when I put on an event that's what I'm trying to do I'm trying to keep people engaged and keeping people engaged is really difficult no matter the subject expert like you get the greatest speaker Jordan Peterson some can do it for longer 45 minutes 50 minutes but eventually your butt gets sore you kind of twist in you've already had so many great thoughts Now you want to go discuss them. That's the worst thing about Saturday for me was interrupting everyone's good discussions. Yeah, that's a good point. They were having so much fun.

And you just, Ken was just in here. And what did he say? I could have went around to every single table and just went, why are you here? Who are you? And all of them had great stories. For the people listening, we had people in from Virginia, New Jersey, Arizona. Mom and daughter drove 28 hours from Ontario, all across Alberta, all across Saskatchewan. I'm probably missing a couple.

Louis baby St. Louis right? Yep. Like, it was an international event. And people, like, it was just wild from on stage to pull everybody back in. I've learned it doesn't bother me to talk over everybody while they're talking because eventually they're going to get the hint that it's time for the show to start. And so I've just learned little things. So for me, the 14 minute, this is a 14 minute answer, is all about time.

I don't want to go over 15 minutes. I want to keep it short. And you just keep tweaking that. And speakers are going to fight me for the rest of time. I think Jordan Peterson and maybe, well, and in fairness, Tamara Leach, I learned this lesson too. If you're putting on an event with a headline speaker, you give them as long as they want. Yep. If Jordan Peterson wants to go for an hour and a half, you give them, you're not telling Jordan Peterson, you can't talk.

People have, you know, all over the place. I learned that with Tamara. Tamara Leach You know She can talk For an easy half an hour And she's a great speaker And people travel really far to hear

And you got to allow When you have a headliner For that to happen My events I try and keep everybody on an equal playing field I want 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, Usually 12, 12, 12, And then I let the roundtable happen

The round table is where I think the magic happens The 12 minutes is interesting Are you familiar with like the base 10 numeric system? No, I don't know. So we're on a base, I think there's something to the number 12 that goes beyond our realm,

maybe even. Oh, interesting. But we're on a base 10 because what people believe is because we have 10 fingers. And so it was the easiest for children to count. But what these mathematicians are saying is being on a base 12

is significantly more efficient and effective for our counting system. And so you think about what can go into 10, right five and two two times five go in 10 and then that's it but if you got 12 you got two by six three by four um and then yeah and so on and so forth right so you just have more ways of of constructing it or constructing it right and there's still a way to fit that into pie and there's still all these things um but i guess all that to say the number 12 is isn't interesting there's something it's like

I wish I had some profound moment on why I stuck on 12. I just, the first event I ever had with Daniel Smith and all them, I looked at time and I remember thinking, I have four guests, they're all going to want to talk, and I need to keep it to an hour. Because then I need to give everybody a break, and then we're going to come back and do a round table.

And so I just went, well, an hour divided by four is 15. But Sean needs to get up there and introduce him okay so knock off a minute and Sean needs to say some opening remarks okay knock off a few more and I added up the time and I went 12 is gonna work and they all went why are you doing 12 because we have to work we have to be conscious about the audience if the audience doesn't enjoy it it won't be a good show people can feel you can feel the room a musician can feel the room you can feel the room when you get it right everyone's engaged everyone's leaning in now part of that's the

speaker. Part of that is forcing the speaker in my mind to condense what they know into 12 minutes. Instead of droning on for half an hour, you can make your points real fast. And you would, would you say, live events are certainly different from like an interview, let's say, because no, yeah, 12 minutes. Like, that's by my frustration with local news and I think that's a big piece of what podcasting can fill the void of is, is like news. If there's an important issue going on in my local city I get 12 minutes max of this topic of conversation and you're just missing out on so much well once you get into this no like to me uh when rogan had Tucker on they could have talked for five hours and I want to listen to five hours like or when he has you know honestly it hasn't been

Elon Musk lately the first time he had Elon or Alex Jones like those they could talk for 10 hours and I would have sat and listened to it all because it was that good and so when you get a good conversation going with somebody you're really interested in. It can go for as long. I was actually disappointed in Tucker and Putin. I thought he should have, if Putin said, we'll go for as long as you want, I probably wouldn't want as long as I could withstand listening to him through a translator. And he went for two hours and he said after that he was the one that shut down the interview.

And I'm like, Tucker, you get one crack at this, sit down and do it for five hours. Tucker was the one who shut down the interview? Yeah. Why? I can't remember what he said. He had a little video that came. out before the Tucker or before the Putin interview aired and he said he wasn't sure if uh what was it folks Putin was was dragging it on or telling him stories and he come and to me I don't know

maybe he just thought he was unsure of the interview I'm not sure I'd love to ask him um but I don't know I in podcasting world you get a guess like that that says hey we can go for as long as you want there is an end point you can feel the end point you can feel the end point to most conversations. They're like, I think this is a good spot to end it. And with Putin, I would have went longer. But no, when you get people, a group of people in a room, you have to be cognizant of there might be smokers.

There might be diabetics. There might be, you know, people that... Back pain. Yeah. Knee pain. Everything. Bathroom, you know. Hunger.

Like, you know, all these things come in. And most people are so respectful. They don't want to get up and try and sneak out. So you can see a room. if you watch it you can see people start to you know just adjust oh they're getting sore

I'm bad for like man I can start like oh trying to then you know love my wife she'll reach over and show you know and I'm the old guy I guess my guy my back's just killing me right and

it happens at movie theater think of when you sit in like a three hour movie I haven't done it a long time but like you're almost almost like trying to get it so your body can go in a different way because you're sitting in a chair for three freaking hours. The difference about a podcast is you can go walk, you can go drive, you can do it while you're doing the dishes.

Like, where's your favorite place to listen to the podcast or maybe the strangest? Well, most of it's, most of it's from where I work because the most podcasts I'm listening to are my job. So I don't even listen to podcasts. I don't listen to any podcasts other than the ones that I work for. Yeah, but you're working on how many, you know? Like 10, yeah. Yeah.

Like, I mean, Jack. But I, you know, but I also, I stand up. I go to the coffee shop that I go to. I go to the bar and I'll stand up for the whole thing because my back can't handle it. I'm kind of banged up for a 24-year-old man. Fair. I don't know. But, yeah, what about you?

Where do you go? Are you in the car when you're listening or? You don't listen to many podcasts either, do you? I'm trying really hard to listen to all the Tucker interviews. I find him. fascinating with his journey since he went to Twitter. And he has some guess that I'm like, why would he put them on there? Like the guy who was trying to talk that said that he sucked Obama's dick or something like that?

Correct. Yeah. I'm like, why? That's off-putting to me. I don't know. But wouldn't you want to know that Obama is a closet homosexual? I don't, I don't. Right?

Like, and you go on to it and he was doing drugs and everything else. I'm like, man, this is wild. and I just found it fascinating that Tucker can talk to anyone Tucker, if Tucker calls, he is in the same realm as Joe Rogan. If his number comes across, I would say most people's desk

they're going on his show immediately. Right? Like Oliver Anthony, when he blew up, I reached out immediately. And he was on Joe Rogan within like five days and I'm like, oh, I'm going to answer all your emails. Lie. Now, in fairness, Oliver Anthony.

if you ever listen to this. I'm not worried. I'm not hurt. I don't think he was, I don't think he could even comprehend how many emails he was about to receive. Right. And so somewhere in that list is all these emails. And then Joe Rogan's, it comes across or however they get a hold of them, right? You know, like Joe Rogan? Yeah, I'll go there. Right. Tucker's in the same room. So to me, I'm fascinated with some of the guests he's having on. And honestly, um, Joe, uh, who is my favorite. Um, at times, I kind of go through these cycles of like, I really want to listen to him and he's got some great guests. And I also go through some times where he's, you know, he's talking to a comedian and I just can't be bothered.

I just, I don't know. Like I got my own problems and I've learned that Joe can't solve Canada's problems and I would love to listen to more Canadian content to hear of some things going on there. But I got to be careful too because then I listened to, uh, she's had Zach Schneider on. I was talking with Tom and Tom Long on Chris Sims. And they're like, you've got to listen to that. And I'm like, it's right up my alley, a director, a big director, right? I don't know. I like listening to podcasts while I do the dishes.

That's like my favorite spot. I don't know why. Doing the dishes? Yeah. Doing just an easy chore, maybe doing some laundry or something. Yeah, well, normally not doing laundry. I don't, I think it's the standing and, you know, you're washing things. And you know, you sit down when you do your laundry?

I do. Interesting. Wow. You stand up while you do. Hell yeah, I stand up when I do my laundry. Oh my God. Wicked. Okay. Moving around.

I'm dancing a little bit, listening to some music. Fair enough. So speaking of Zach Schneider, or directors, I guess, you haven't watched June 2 yet, huh? I haven't. Have you watched June 2 yet? Oh, yeah. Do you have you read the books? I've read the first book.

Okay. I haven't read the entire saga. I read the first book when I was like grade 9. It was fantastic. Interesting. I've heard a lot of, so are you familiar with like the idea? Well, actually, we don't even have to get it. get into it. The idea, but the idea of Paul of the prophecy and this prophecy might be fake and it might be

real and all this. Yeah, yeah, I get the, I get the, the gist, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess the, what a lot of people I'm hearing are saying is he was the chosen one. A lot of people are saying he wasn't the chosen one. I think people who will dive further into the movies recognize that he's not the chosen one and that there's like, well, the problem with this, what the Dune series is the son picked up the book series after his dad died, right? And that's when I went to shit. but you know fair enough because like how can you I don't even think that's possible I don't think there is anyone that could I don't think someone can come

and pick up a Georgia or Martin book series and pick it up and and make it equally as good well let's think about that for a second Ken you don't have kids yet but in fairness your your your dad is a judge correct now it's not quite the same but like if you went on to become a lawyer

and could you follow in a footsteps and take his work and move it above and beyond or or is there is you know are we talking about like a piece of work like you know like movies and stuff and and as soon as you transition it over from one person no matter how close they are family tie it will never be yeah i think i think we're comparing apples and oranges i just the creative creativity in the mind is is ex-nila to a certain extent of like there is no origin to it um and it's that that is like the most unique one of the most unique things about each of us is our you know the creativity that we like there's it's it's it's it's hard to even explain into words like no i don't believe so short answer i do not believe that

anyone can pick up another creative work from someone else and continue it what do you think well i'm going to switch topics about Silver golden bowl. So I asked Jack, um, here, no, wait,

before I, before we talk about the silver coin, um, I don't know, that's a difficult question, I would say. Could you hand off to your son something of,

you know, that comes from your brain? I don't know. I would be curious to the audience, if they text, if there's something, right? Like,

in some instances, yeah, uh, uh, uh, like fifth generation farmers, right, that have taken over the farm and have continued on their father's legacy and their fathers before that and different things. When you're talking about something as intimate as writing a book, I don't know.

That's, I'm trying to think, you know, like somewhere out there, I'm just assuming that it's happened. But at the same token, how would, how could you ever put yourself into your father's shoes to know how his brain thinks exactly to write something out. Exactly. That's almost an impossibility. Now, I was telling, I was asking Jack last night. He's never owned any silver gold.

And I chuckled in my head because I didn't tell him. I said, well, if we do a podcast tomorrow, Sean, I'm talking to myself. He's going to get his first piece of silver. So by coming in the studio, sir, you get a silver coin. What do you think of that? This is great. Hey, thank you. This is fantastic.

Where should I put it? Should I put a 12-word password and put it in a vault with a 12-word password? Sure. This is cool. So tell me about this. What do we have going on here? Well, honestly, it's a bison on the one side or Buffalo, and then on the other side, it's a first nations man. I don't know, though, the story of the coin, actually.

They gave them to me. and what I really wanted was the silver gold bull on it, but they were out at the time, so they gave me the First Nations one with the First Nations man and then the Buffalo on the other side. I think they're a cool coin. To me, to try and give something, you know,

the story of doing it is the story I tell over and over again, is, you know, for people to come here to this studio, to sit in my realm, to have a conversation, to give them a silver coin is, I don't know, it's a lot of fun. And I'm sure. super thankful, silver gold bull, is coming along for that ride, I guess, right?

Because I keep saying it, people coming along from my experiment to see if it works, to know if this is going to work. But I was telling Nick on the weekend, I'm like, every time somebody comes in, there's so many people that own no precious metals. So to see them, see and feel and flip the first coin and be like, oh, this is cool, right? It's pretty cool. I get to see it and witness it firsthand. Get the motors turning it and kind of maybe get some people on the journey.

Yeah. Why do they call it a first, so First Nations is the, why do they call it First Nation people? Which is really interesting. I don't know, because it's politically correct. Okay, because we have Native Americans. Native Americans, Indians, right? Like, Indian is probably the word that is the most taboo these days. Right, right.

Because that was that Christopher Columbus came over and he's looking for India. And then this is the story that I know. He's looking for India and then he thought that he found India. And so he called Native Americans, Indian. Indians, which to even call them Native Americans is interesting because there were, there was a type of culture before them somewhere in America, too, you know. But, uh, hey, to me, I'm like, I guess I just, it's, it's whatever, I, you know, if you, you know, it's whatever. I don't know, like, First Nations.

Are you, uh, I want to switch, I want to switch something. Would you encourage your kids to go to college? I've been on a rant about college. lately um or university as they say up here i'm i'm thankful they're young enough right now i don't have to give you an answer uh i went to college and um my wife went to college and uh you know like colleges are not in a great spot right now at all and so i watch it and i go like this is insane to watch um i went to the most mel and i went to the most liberal environmental school under the sun.

Northland was the opposite of where a hockey player should win. It was good, it was good for me, I think. I was surrounded by, you know, hippies and people that, you know, truly believe the oil industry is destroying the earth and on and on and on. Yep. It was really, really good to see that train of thought. I certainly did not agree with them on a lot.

So, you know, Do I encourage my kid to go to college? I encourage my kid, kids, to find something they love. And if that means you got to go for a couple years to get a degree, whether it's in, you know, you want to be a, you know, you want to do some blue-collar work, you know, you want to get a degree in the trades. Yeah. Hell yeah.

If you want to, if you want to level up and you want to become a economist or, you know, business, heck, I went to school to be a history major. I wanted to be a professor I wanted to be in college teaching kids and hockey got in the way and I'm quite thankful for that you know now if they hear this

someday and go man I want to start a podcast or I want to do this I want to do that I don't think you need to go to college some of the smartest people I know never went but I just want them I want them to find something they want to do and once you find that then you got to push yourself and you got to go hard and you got to you know like we were talking

about the other day i don't know what you think but like life isn't easy and once you're out from mommy and daddy it doesn't getting any easier right like people will try and take advantage of you people will try and bully you the world is it can be a cruel place at times it can be a beautiful place at times too and i just hope my kids find something that lights them up Because when you have a job like that, I was asking Jack folks, you know, he's got 10 podcasts. He's editing and, you know, and he's got a full-time editor now, correct? And like, you know, he's growing. It's pretty cool to watch.

And I see, you know, to me, editing 10 podcasts, I'm like, oh, man, that is, ugh. Right? Like, that's how I feel. And yet somebody might be like, man, trying to get five guests in a week. Oh, right? And I'm just like, I'm happy. And I look at Jack, and I see your head. happy and I go that's what I want for my kids so if that's through college I'm not going to tell them

they can't go to college I am going to tell them they need to think for themselves yeah right this is this is probably one of the spaces where I'm most convicted in my belief that college a four-year undergraduate is probably one of the worst decisions this person a young person can make in their life really yep yeah why's that well for one that there are more degrees being created you're after year and so the value of each degree goes down by more being made. The very obvious one is you're going into crazy amounts of debt that you can't declare bankruptcy on. True. You know, and the other thing is it's just like I've been to these colleges where I've seen, you know, the big college,

Missouri, the party schools, whatever, these people are not critical. They're not becoming critical thinkers. They're becoming less critical thinkers. They're there to drink. They're there to have sex. They're there to smoke weed. Like that's what these places are. That's what these places are.

and it's just criminal that the trades are overlooked too as far as I don't I don't necessarily think that they're publicly spoken down upon but but they are not appreciated you know if if if if I say yeah I'm going to a four-year degree at St. Louis University and then people you know the people go oh yeah good good good and then maybe I say well I'm going into trade school you know for carpentry or whatever it is you go oh yeah that's a good option too you know there's that inflection of the tone it's like there's this subtlety that is kind of weird isn't it yep yep there's a subtlety like yeah that's that's an okay option too that's you know which is which is that those are the places you're going to make the most money some of the guys who make the most money

here in this town yeah are guys who went to uh went and got like their what power engineering folks how many i'm forgetting how many months of schooling it is but it's like regardless they work in in Jack isn't going to understand what the heck I'm talking about. Anyways, it doesn't matter. They go to school for a very short period of time. They make ungodly amounts of money. And it is not a trade. It's not even, it's not even, well, it is it a trade?

I don't know. Maybe I'm speaking out of my butt here, folks. Regardless, you're getting a hard skill. Yeah, yeah. It's not carpentry. It's not, you know, welding. It's not plumbing or something like that, an electrician. It's to run these big facilities that produce oil.

and they get paid a lot of money. Logistics? No, like what is it? Yeah, what's the... I tell you what. To the audience, this is what I'm going to do right now. There's got to be... Supply chain or what?

Somebody's got to be out there. That's a power engineer. Okay. That would come on and I'll ask all the dumb questions for Jack. There we go. And we'll educate. No, they monitor the system that pulls out ungodly amounts of oil from the ground.

Gotcha. Okay. So logistics, yeah. Like, they have, some facilities have trucks. Others have pipelines. They're putting crazy amounts of steam down there. They have to understand, you know, all these different intricacies of how a plant works. And I'd love to sit here and say that I know what the heck I'm talking about.

But the truth of the matter is, I'm not a power engineer. Yeah, yeah. I've been around that system and those people a lot, and I sold them things. I was a salesman. I was the car salesman. But regardless, you can make a lot of money. You're going to make more money than someone that goes to a four-year undergrad.

I can guarantee you that. Because the argument that I've always heard from that is a very consistent one as well. If you're going to apply for a job and someone has, you know, someone that has four years degree and then they have, you know, four years of experience, let's say. You know, you've heard this argument. You know, each of you are equal in every single way except one of you has a degree and one of you doesn't. Sure.

And then the argument is, well, they're going to go with the person that has the degree. And I just think that's, that's so lacking. And like,

if I have one person, you can pay this person $100,000 and they'll make you a million dollars. And then they have a degree. And you have one person that has $100,000, or you pay $100,000, and they can make you a million dollars. And they don't have a degree.

You're going to hire both of them anyway. So, like, people are missing the fact of you need to be valuable to where you're going. And it's like inherent within the idea of value, of valuing four-year degrees that you're not going to be valuable where you go.

Well, it depends on what you're getting, though. You come on as a doctor or a nurse and engineer, teachers, honestly, you know, like vets. Like, all these were short in this country. We're short on the mall. Like, there's vacancies everywhere. Like, in Canada, we don't, you know, like, if you were a doctor.

Now, I'm saying this, with all the new taxes coming in, they say some of the doctors are leaving. So there's probably some artificial reasons why we're losing doctors that are coming from the government. But if you're a doctor and you want to come to Lloydminster and open up a clinic, I forget, is it a week? Is it less? And it's full.

You literally can't take any more patients. Oh, yeah. Really? Yes. The same thing for dentists and like, you know, like after COVID, there's a whole chunk of people that never went back to the nursing jobs. We could take your nurses. Take all these things.

So here in Canada, I feel like going to college, you know, take out some of that freaky, deaky stuff that's going on, the DEI and everything. Like it's just wild. That's what my nerves are about it. If you go into college and you have a plan, I did not have a plan. I went to play hockey and a drink and I do all the stupid things. And I'm very thankful that I did go because of my first day there, I met my future wife. and so there is a place for this.

But I also worked my ass off every summer, so when I came out of college, I didn't have any student debt, right? Like, there's ways to do this now. How did you work your ass off over the summers? I came home, and I got a job in the oil field, and I would work, I don't know. The one year I worked for Mitchcoe,

who has sponsored this podcast, so shout out to Tyson. And I forget in the summers, what is it? You spray every day that it doesn't rain. So, you know, he'd work 16 days in a row and get a day off and then go back to work. I came home and I worked because I knew if I didn't, I was going to come out of college and be in the hole 100 grand, right? And now you go, well, was it worth it? I'm like, oh, I met my wife.

Was it worth it from a schooling side? I mean, I didn't come out and use my history degree, if that's where you're asking. From sports side, I got to play more hockey, so I love that. And I wish now, you know, like it's hard. Even back then, I don't know if anyone could have got it through my thick skull. I just didn't know what I wanted to do. I just didn't know. My wife knew she wanted to be a teacher.

She walked in, got a degree, walked out the next year and had a job, right? And that's rare, especially today. There's, like, there's an epidemic of people who have no idea what they want to do, and they're not searching to find what they want to do. I think they're not searching. Yeah. Like, you want a good paying job? Anyone listening to this wants a good paying job?

Alberta. Saskatchewan. There's just there's people looking for able bodies everywhere. Yeah. And you don't need the degree. But if you have a degree and you're a teacher, you're a, you know, you're a pilot for for sake, right? All these things, short on.

And so like, I think we, you know, like, we got to this because of talking about colleges. It's like the reason I hesitate on colleges is now you kids have this ability. to go listen to Jordan Peters directly and go listen to all these amazing minds directly. And to me, I hope by the time my kids are old enough, there will be an option where they can do some of that, right, like where they can get the best, like the best critical minds to teach them and push on them and force them to think about critical things. And that would be awesome for me. But if my daughter wants to be a teacher like her mother, you know, like, well, what

she going to do? Where is she going to go to get her so she can teach? Yeah, but I, you know, then you can still, you can still, uh, is what is the word, circumvent that? Is that what I'm looking for? Uh, you know, there's still ways to do. Benjamin Anderson, sure is, is, is, is an independent scientist. He's working on opening a science lab outside of the schooling system. You know, like, there's, every single thing that you bring up of, like, let's say teaching, you know, and your daughter wants to become a teacher, she can go into these co-ops. She can into these places and if you have if you show that you are valuable to these people you can teach there you know you don't have to go through this bullshit

bureaucratic system that that has been laid out for us and this is what Chuck was saying this is what McKell was saying I think this is what Curtis was saying this is what almost everyone on the stage was saying at a higher level develop a skill that people need and there you go sure so it comes about everything but it but it comes back to what I initially said I hope my kids find something they really want to do yeah because they find that and it's Whatever it is, I, you know, I just want something to light up their world because when you have that, getting out of bed in the morning is a lot of fun. Yeah.

You know, like, it's easy to wake up. I mean, getting out of bed and it's like, in my world, it's like, who do I got today? You know? I'm like, who do I got today? Do I wish it was Jordan Peterson sitting across me? Sure. But I'm pretty excited to have Jack in from St. Louis to sit and have a chat. That's right.

Even with my raspy smoker voice. You know, something interesting, and I don't really know what to make of this other than maybe stress, but when I was in my sales job, my quote-unquote secure job, going into a cubicle with no windows, I was the youngest person by 40 years. I didn't speak to a single person when I walked in the office when I would be in there for days on end. I was waking up in the middle of the night and going to pee in the middle of night every single night. As soon as I started working for myself, I kept drinking the same amount of water. I kept doing a lot of these different things.

I sleep through the nights now. Like, as soon as I started working for myself. And I don't know what that means if I'm more just more at peace or whatever it is, but there was like a noticeable change in my bodily functions that was not consciously changing on my own. That's pretty cool. I got to assume it's directly related to the change of work. I know the stress I get from the podcast, putting podcasts out, Even the event on the weekend, it's like,

and never at any point is it stress of like the fearful nature of like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to be here or what have you. It's like I'm going in the game seven and the Stanley Cup playoffs. I like I can only do that weekend so often though. Because I mean, it takes everything I got to hold it together until the end. And now Jack's been around me for the end, and I'm sure he's like, you know, we watched the other game and had some scotch. And I was just ready to unwind.

Decompress, as I say? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good stress, though. Like when I was doing sales, yeah, a very similar, a quick match with you. The same thing. If I was nervous because I was selling promotional products with pens and coosies and these things. And when I would go in to sell to someone this, and my heart would be really.

racing and I'd be sweating and I'd be like I it would be a horrible experience but now selling so I'm so in my mind I'm thinking oh I'm a bad salesman I'm bad at this not capable I don't have the you know the gall or the balls to do this but I can go and sell one of my you know what I'm so you know what my service is now to anyone there's there's no heartbeat racing there's nothing it's like this is this is this feels right and it's like uh you know going with God that's Um, that's cool. Honestly, um, my hat's off to you. Cause once again, you know, like, I'm sure people stare at me and go like, I would love to talk to people, but like five days a week.

And some days I'm, I'm like, some weeks I'm like, I could probably do 365. I could probably, I could, I've thought about it. I've thought about doing 365 and 365. I just don't know at what point in that year, my wife would want to kill me, you know, like, because I feel like at times five stretches me to my. absolute limit. And then it's kind of like having kids. And people with parents will understand this. You have your first, it stretches you to your absolute max. Can't do it anymore. Then you have your second and it stretches you to your absolute max. And then you kind of get like, oh, we got this. And then you had your third in and, you know, the time that it stretches and how

long it takes to adjust. Like, I used to be fearful to go to a store with the three of them if Mel wasn't with me. I remember that. Oh, yeah? I'm not taking all three of them. I'm going to lose one. Yeah, it's just a war to get them in and out. without, you know, you can't enjoy the space. Now, don't get me wrong, we're a tire fire. When the Newman's come rolling through, you know, you can see us from a long way out. I've gotten a little experience over the past day or two. But, I mean, I don't fear it anymore.

And, you know, that fear thing is, you know, if I could, you know, you will hope people, no, you don't have to live that way. Like, you really don't. And yet, you know, like, you got to, if you're going to try something new, like, Jack 10 podcasts. I'm like, oh, man. Like, you're going to push yourself to new limits. Yep.

All the time. Yep. It's great. It feels amazing. At first, it sucks, but. Where are you headed? Like, where do you want to go? Where do I want to go?

Well, I'll just answer, and then you tell me if I'm answering correctly. In correctly? No, no, no. If I'm heading in the right direction of where you wanted this question to go, but, you know, yeah, I'm looking for a wife. Oh, looking to build. I'm ready to build a family in the next. I don't want to have kids until I'm until after 30.

Until after 30, why? I want to live life. And, you know, I know that no one will ever be ready to have their first kid, but I think I'll have had more opportunity to become more of a man, you know, the man that I desire to be for both my wife and my kids. And I want to be freaking rich, that's for sure. It's funny. You kind of caught me off guard there with your opening statement.

You know, it's funny. Everybody wants to wait until they're after 30. I remember getting married and saying, oh, we got to wait. And we had our first kid at 30. I was 30, Mel was 29, I guess. Yep. And I keep running into people that started having kids in their early 20s. And, you know, you talk about becoming the man that you, you know, your wife.

It's funny, kids will do that to you. Yeah. You have no choice. Yeah. You have no choice but to, I mean, you do have a choice. Don't give me wrong. You can, you can be a, you can be a crappy dad or, you know, there's choice in this at all times.

I shouldn't, but kids forced upon you real fast. You can't give them back. It's like, crap. This is, this is really happening. This is a real deal. And, uh, I don't know if I would have had kids earlier. It just worked the way we were. worked you know I was played hockey till I was 26 Mel didn't move here until I think probably I was

28 so you know like in the in the schemes of things it didn't work in our timeline of how we meshed but waiting until you're 30 I don't know I well hopefully you find the right girl and that will become a different question you know maybe it'll be like I don't know about everybody else but making babies is sure a lot of fun I don't doubt that man I do not doubt that. Yeah, but yeah. Yeah, and you know, and then in the same vein, I want to acquire wealth before then,

I think, on a very practical level. Well, in fairness to you, you know, if I knew, if I could go back and talk to my 20-year-old self, I wouldn't have listened, but, you know, it's a lot easier to push yourself harder. when you don't have all the responsibilities right like i mean you've seen being around my house for a day and a half and mel has been carrying the load folks right i've been awfully busy but like you know it's something i weigh all the time about of like can i go there or not how many weekends have

i been gone now yeah like i don't know and when you're 20 and you're full of piss and vinegar and you know all you got to do is stand up so your back doesn't hurt you know like you you can go wherever you want you get like I was thinking about it you know I'm like she just told you to come here for a week yeah you know instead of like oh just a couple extra days it's like we it's not like you have to be back for any you literally do your job from here and we could uh we could yeah theoretically yeah but I mean yeah that's the nice thing about where you're at so when you're talking about chasing your dreams your financial success or success in your business that makes a lot of sense to me mm-hmm but I didn't saying that man

there's nothing like kids yeah yeah I'm excited for that day. But yeah, I want, I mean, I want to build the next, there's a couple of big, big Mount Olympuses of mine and building the next barstool sports, but that's not a bunch of crap. That's actually a bunch of important messages. That is, that is something that is on my mind every single day. Like, can you imagine, could you imagine if we can turn the culture to, you know, thinking intellectually and critically and looking at interesting topics and not, you know, whatever fucking bar stool is putting out like it's all just crap but you know but that is our culture that is what the that is what people are attracted to and if we can shift what people are attracted

to to where they're attracted to these important issues i mean we're going to have a lot how are you going to do that making you know growing these audience like growing your audience growing the people that i can see you it's um it's just repetition it's it's knock on the door knock after knock after knock after knock and maybe someone that is watching a bunch of crap content on YouTube shorts or whatever is, but they see yours and then they see another one of yours and then they see another one of yours. Because this is what happened to me. You know, like it started with watching a bunch of bullshit and then Gary Vee, of all people started watching a little bit, seeing some of his stuff and seeing some of his stuff. And

Gary Vee, quite honestly, probably changed the entire course of the rest of my life. Really? Yep. I love Gary Vee. I've, I haven't had him on, but I have talked to his team. Yeah? Yeah. Because I mean, he's a very, very interesting guy. Yeah. So what was it that he said? I don't even remember what it was said, but I know this. I was a content zombie where I was like watching all the things,

but I wasn't executing on. So I'd be watching him giving advice on how to do X, Y, and Z, or what you need to search for and how to grow a business, whatever it is. I wasn't doing shit about it. The only thing I was doing in high school was retail arbitrage on Craigslist that would go and sell video games to people, and then I would buy video games from other people

and resell them to other people. Gary Vee probably pushed me in that direction. But I guess like a story of how Gary V influenced me is freshman year in high school, we write a letter to ourselves for our senior year's self. So you're getting a letter from your freshman self. The letter that I wrote to myself said, don't go into college debt. That was because I was watching Gary Vee videos.

And I didn't go into college any college debt. I have no debt coming out of college. I was able to start a business, zero debt, you know, had money into investments. like, you know, five figure, you know, middle five figures saved up out of college,

or college age, that I would not have had if I... Sure. If I had just been watching a bunch of garbage and just following along with what everyone else was saying to do, which was go to college. I guess that's one of the reasons I'm so convicted on that. I don't know. I had a lot of fun at college.

Yeah, that's right. You had a lot of fun. Yeah, a lot of fun. I mean... And how many people are actually going into college to play to be athletes? I think that's another story. That is another story.

I couldn't tell you. I tell you what, I can Google it. Okay. What percentage of the... Are you Googling how fun it is to be an athlete in college, or are you Googling? NCAA student athletes surpasses 520,000. So there's 520,000 people in the United States that are NCAA athletes. Probably a small minority of all college goers.

Yeah, that's what makes Google great, you know. A lot of older folks, I'm not saying that you're an older folk, but they like to bash on technology. It's pretty great. And total enrollment. Come back to the center for me, Sean. Oh, sorry. Your producer is seeing some potential problems.

Here, I'm going to just zoom in. My eyes aren't as good as they usually are. 79 million in 2021. What? 72 million. Sorry, in the United States? 72 million students.

So a little, maybe a fifth of the total population was in college? Okay. All right, 20%. Yeah, 70, 73, just under 73 million. Well, yeah, I guess what the point of what we were looking that up for is... To see what the percentage of athletes of that. So it's a very tiny minority.

Minority. Yep. Yep. So, like, I really, Mel played volleyball. I played hockey. And to get that opportunity to continue on playing, heck, I went overseas and played. And I tell us lots, I was, I wasn't great,

it's not like I was going to get in the NHL. I was pretty sure I was never going to get in the HL. But it's a hard thing to give up. Like, I loved playing hockey. And I think if I had loved a few different aspects of hockey, by continuing to play, it would open up doors so that I could have become a scout

or coaching or all these different things. Because you're broadening your network, right? You're meeting different people, different countries, seeing how different things work. You know, like when I was applying for my master's, because once again,

I went to become a history professor. I went and met with different hockey programs because one of the things, like Mel got her master's for free because she was a volleyball, assistant coach. So she was coaching full time, working full time while she got her master's. And so, you know, that's the other lovely thing about being sports is like there's ways to do it

where you don't have to go and just spend all your flipping money. Another way I did it was year two of college. This is why I always had this idea, Jack, maybe I'd be a good police officer. And year two folks, I learned I'm never going to be a police officer. And the reason why is I found out you could become an RA and get your room for free. Now I don't have to pay for my stay at college? Perfect. Yeah, I'll do that. What I got to do?

All right. Yeah, whatever, whatever. But then I had to become the, you know, on my weekends when I worked, I just shut down every party. And let me tell you, being the same age as everybody, going into the rooms at midnight and being like, guys, it's quiet time, you've got to go somewhere else. And getting just absolutely heckled.

I'm like, I would, I'm like, I never went back. As much as the money savings I got from that, I'm like, I'm not doing this. I just, I'm not doing this. All I'm saying is, like, you don't have to go, certainly Mel went to St. Lawrence for her master's. I could be wrong on the figures here, but it was like $50,000 US a year to go there. Madness. Insane. Madness.

But you can, you don't. Like, a child, and a child is, not Mel in the scenario, but a child is deciding whether they want to go into this debt or not. Well, parents are helping. Parents are totally. Parents are indoctrinated into the same, oh, this, they don't even, parents can't even comprehend the kind of debt that their children are getting into, because when they went to college, well, that's not even true.

I mean, I know people in my life that are still paying off their college debt from when they started. It's, I didn't mean to catch you off. No, no, no, no. It's okay. I guess we just have two different views on it. Like, I'm, I'm... Their parents are helping, but I mean, you think about an 18-year-old.

You probably look at me. You know, I did grow my beard out for this podcast, so I'm looking a little bit older. But you're probably still look at me and look at me as kind of a, you know, a young person. Yeah, you're 24. I don't think you look like you're immature or anything. Yeah. But compared to me, you're, you know, 14. 14 years younger.

And then I'll look at someone six years younger than me that. Sure. And I mean, I would like to think that I am mature for my age even now. Looking at someone that's six years younger than me that wasn't as mature as I was at 18, these people are getting $200,000 decisions. That's ridiculous because if I have a business I plan that I want to go and try to get $200,000 for that I've built a business plan around, I may not even get that. You know, it's the priorities and the incentives are.

so backwards. It's crazy. I won't argue with you or anything you're saying. I just go, you know, I guess the way my brain works is no different. You know, I was like, ah, it's pretty cool that you started watching Gary Vee and, you know, you started flipping things and making money. I'm like, back in high school, every weekend was sports, every night was practice. Like, it was just go, go, go.

And I hope my kids love it because, like, I like being at the rink. You know, we just started a ball. So we went to a ball evaluations. I'm excited to be there. I like sports. I think it teaches kids so much. And if they get good at it, it opens up doors. It just does.

And so I was like, ah, but I never really, you know, got in that entrepreneurial spirit as a young kid. You know, probably because I didn't have time. Because I've listened to, oh, rich dad, poor dad. Robert Kiyosaka. Kai Kiyosaki. Right. I've listened to him and how he started comic books and different things. and I'm like I just never had that brain but now when I think of college I had that

brain I had tons of friends that wouldn't work a job I had tons of friends that would go home in the summer and not do anything there's like I'm just gonna take on more debt I had tons of friends who went and lived at expensive places didn't get roommates lived on campus got the highest meals everything and I looked at that and I went how could I make this the cheapest possible thing and we rent my senior year Mel, my brother Harley, Cody Carroll, myself, four of us rented a 1930-something house. It was, no, 1920-something house. It was an old house.

It was cold. And it was $500, it was $125 each for rent. Right? Sounds amazing. To me, solve your problems. Yeah. And, you know, so you don't go to school or college, fine. You're going to go to college.

Does it have to be the $50,000? you know, I guess the things that I worry about with college stems back from COVID at this point. I don't like that they force their students to get vaccinated to go. That really bother me. I don't know if that's an American thing. That was certainly a Canadian thing. It was in America, yeah. The DEI thing really bothers me.

You talking about indoctrinating? Bothers me. And just point blank period wrong. Right. You know, yeah. And you see what they're doing to. And so I go, well, the decline of college is happening. happening. There's tons they're going bankrupt that are, you know, and there's tons of people

talking about it. So, you know, right now, I go, well, I don't know, what are you going to do if you want to be, if you don't want to be an entrepreneur, you want to be a nurse, you want to be a teacher, you want to be an engineer, you want to go into the trades. Well, is there ways to work around it? I'm sure there are. And if there's different things that I'm missing, folks, I'm open. Text me. But if you want to just go and work one of those professions, Right now, I think your only option is college. It doesn't mean you have to go spend 50 grand. Certainly not.

Like, there's ways around that. Certainly. Right? Like, people in this town are very creative and entrepreneurial. And they, you know, we come from a place where nobody's coming to save you. You're in the middle of nowhere. You've realized that. And you don't have to go back that far in Lloyd's history to realize that was really the case.

And so I know tons of people that, uh, uh, uh, bought a house at a young age, like your age, maybe younger, $300,000, $400,000 house, and then rented out every single room in it and had other people pay their mortgage. Right. Right. Brilliant.

Like, I don't know. I love what you're doing. I'm not trying to direct you to go to college. I mean? Yeah, I don't think you are. Like, that isn't the argument. It's just I also don't think everybody wants to do what we do. Yeah.

Yeah. I would say check every other possibility before going into college. And then if that's what you have to end up doing, that's what you have to end up doing, I suppose. But, you know, and there's always going to be fluctuations in the world, and there's always going to be new opportunities. And right now there's opportunities for colleges

that don't have DEI and don't have these things to start prompting themselves up. And then you're going to get an interesting. influx of people, you know? 100%. So, like, and then, and then maybe the, the wave goes too far one way, and now all of colleges are like that, and there's going to be an opportunity for colleges that, you know, want to add some more diversity

in there. Sure. You know, it's an ever-changing line. Yeah, yeah. What was the most, I mean, you've talked about Gary Vee, but, you know, like, and Andy Fricilla, too, is the other person that I was listening to. Sure, we wouldn't mind if Andy hopped on this. I should just said him first and then clip to that.

Let's rewind. Curious, you know, you talk about that really shaping your life. One of the things I hope my kids do is I hope they travel. I wish I got to travel more in saying that, what does more mean and how, you know, like, I've got to travel quite a bit. one of the most impactful things I've ever done in my life was biking Canada and I did that I just turned 20 and you know when I think back on it I'm like you know I hope my kids have a zest for life for something like that where they don't go immediately into anything they just like you know and my wife Mel and I am sure

gonna have an argument about this at some point right because she was pushed to go college right away right that's the big thing when you're I I think that's a big thing here when you graduate what are you doing and I would say there's a little bit of them if you know if you don't have a plan but in fairness I think you know some kids need a little bit of structure I need it structure I don't go to the military what did Chuck say yeah right that's I was going to ask you about that Chuck's like hey fucking don't send your kids to the military right now it is not the place to be. I think

in the most practical sense they might get slaughtered if they going to the military right now. That's a scary thought. That's a scary thought. Yeah. It's in the U.S. too. I also found it fascinating. You know,

who was it? Was it Murder in Armstrong on Saturday? Who got talking about the deaths of each country from World War II, I believe? And how much other population died? It was probably Alex. Maybe it was Alex.

Yeah, when he was reading. And, you know, it was like Britain was like 1%. You know, Russia was, you know, one point something percent. And you think, huh, that was World War II. And somehow in my, I don't know, maybe when you heard those numbers, maybe you thought something different. So I'll let you answer or respond here. But I thought, you know, every time I hear then, I'm like,

ah, why did I think it was like one in five people died? You know, like why did it? Why did I have that number in my head? Yeah, and I know we kind of talked about this last night, because I just can't get out of my head, the 11 million that were literally just mass slaughtered, you know, the Holocaust and everything. Like that, I think that was actually a pretty decent percentage of the Jewish population, even if that's 5%.

That's a significant, you know, we as humans are really bad at comprehending percentages and numbers. Numbers, yeah. Because you look at the COVID rates and it's like, okay, 99.99% of people, are not going to be affected by this. And everyone thinks that they could be the one, or everyone that responded the way they did, right, with all these masks and so on and so forth. We all think that we could be the one,

even if 99.99% of people, you know, are going to be safe from this. But I guess we're selective in it, too. I'm taking your point in totally, totally railroading it. But then we're selective in it, too, because you have a higher percentage chance of dying in a car accident. than you do of dying from COVID, probably by like 100 times or whatever it is, but we selectively decide,

even though those odds are way greater of driving, we still go out and drive. You know, I don't know, we're just, we're bad at comprehending them, but to your point around World War II, I don't know, yeah, I don't know if I had a, I don't know, I don't know how to answer that. What is the lesson in what you're trying to get at, I suppose?

I don't know if I'm trying to get a lesson out of anything. Just the way my brain perceives war. If we went to war right now. Let's say we had a death toll that was double World War II. That would mean 2% of Great Britain or United States, right? Roughly, I'm being rough here, folks, would die. And I go, that's a lot of people. but that means 98% of the population

is still alive and kicking. I'm like, huh. It's just how you look at an issue. That's all I'm saying. We tend to do things off of the small portions of the population. I'm not saying that 1% of the population dying more is insignificant. It isn't.

I remember how we got into this last night. With scotch involved, so it was a different thing. Yeah. We got like 15 minutes left. What do you want to do? Do you want to slide across the substack and I haven't put anything out there for some time? Yeah, let's throw something on the side.

Okay, me and Jack are going to briefly pause here and then we're going to slide over to Substack if you want to come join us. Well, come on over.