Shaun Newman Podcast - #637 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

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This is Brad 14. This is Doug Casey. This is Tom Romago. This is Alex Craneer. This is Viva Fry. You're listening to the Sean Newman podcast. Still a couple weeks away. So, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Brothers Roundtable. Another week. Another oiler game. Another silver coin. Let's do this first. We'll do it first. I'm so excited. You know, Seth had text me saying that we're going to have to, you know, restrict Dustin's picks

because he thought for sure Dust was winning. Not this week. Silver coin to a new one. Now the only brother without it is the guy with the pink cup. With the pink cup. I will say thanks, Stuart Skinner. Anyway, go ahead. I like to say thank you to silver gold bullet.

The Kalani pink cup going to Harley Newman who finished dead last. I was a feel to be bro, Carl's. No silver coins and just a pink cup to show for. So just a lot of hot air from over in that corner. That's all it's been for three weeks. No. Well, no, no. Before you get into that.

Yeah. Now, if Jay wouldn't have changed the rules, he wouldn't have won that silver coin just for the record. Halfway through the picks, he all of a sudden changed the rules, which allowed him to win the coin. The last silver coin you won dust, we had to change the rule after the whole thing was done. Yeah. So, like, just cram it, eh? He's starting to sound like Marner over here all the time. Hey, crying.

So we had a big game Friday, and it wasn't in the NHL. Oh, it wasn't the NHL. And Sean was working. We're going to see. No, noon hour hockey league. Oh, noon hour hockey. Okay, fair. Sean was looking to grab the monkey and throw it off.

Sean hasn't won a series in hell long? And so what happened is, I'm going to give you, he hasn't won a series in 24. I haven't won a series in 24, folks. I'm going to lead up to it a little bit. I was not there, so I called around, got a little bit of info. I guess Dustin was non-existent. So, I mean, this martyr thing is really starting to stick. Just ask Sammy.

So, and then Cardi Clausen O'K man with a big trick. and for whatever reason, Team White, in the biggest game of the series, decides to move Sean back to D after he's talked about how much he's been effective as a forward and the offense? I started on forward and then Greg Sherrick got hit in the wrist by a Justin Moran shot

and after that, that might have been the difference in the series. That might have been a difference in the series. While Bill's in net for the winning team. Electric Bill, yeah. Electric Bill. And Blackbeats White and Sean is still without a W in the call. Going into that 10th game, it was 3, 3 and 3. Yeah, I'm sure.

my dressing room thinks I'm insane, right? Because for the listener, this is... Is your dressing room trying to trade you right now? Probably. Probably. James Rogers, if you're listening, the Civic Center, NUNAR group, you may be able to pluck Sean right now. It's funny.

They're like, why do you take it so serious, right? I'm sure that's what they're thinking. And all I'm thinking is, we finally get it to 3.33. It has taken four weeks to get to this point and lose again. And I'm like, I've got to do it all over again. F my life. Let's just be clear here. The previous game, you guys won, I wasn't there.

Last game, I was there. You guys didn't win. And Dustin was non-existent, so this is not because of Dustin. No, the team had to carry me. Just asked Sammy. Unbelievable. I just can't seem to squeak out a win. Well, I love to help you out, but I'm going to be gone for this next series.

And then I hopefully am off the IR and let's get at her. It's funny, the game before that that we tied, I think 7-7. Me and Quinn were both playing forward. And for the listener, that's two defensemen. And he had four goals that game. And I had like three assists on them. Our line was dynamite. And we both played D last game.

So this next series, actually, I think you and Jay are on the same team. Yeah, but I'm not there. Jay's not even there. Jay's not even there. Right. So it's just, I don't bring much. I'm just more of a dressing room veteran presence guy. Jay wasn't there in the last series much either.

So, I mean, it's pretty much. I don't think Jay was there. One game. I have not played since the Banff tournament, which was the second week of April because I'm dealing with a hamstring issue, which is slowly dealing. Lower body issue. Lower body. Ready to play off.

No Drysidal. He doesn't play through it. Hey, Drysidels leading the playoffs and scoring. I know. McDavid is second in playoffs and scoring, and Bouchard is tied for third in the playoffs and they're down two games to one of Vancouver. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, just hold on here. When talking to Maple Leaf fans like Malcolm, and I'll give a shout out to Rakey,

he's always talks about how Drysidal rides McDavid's coat tails, and he's not that good of a player and that Matthews is so much, Matthews and Marner is so much better though, which I find hilarious. Hey, Malcolm, maybe he's looking the back trunk there, bud. I always look at the playoffs and go, hmm, hmm. Hey, I've seen an interesting trade today. They're talking about if the Oilers don't win the cup this year and they've got to make a trade. Maybe Nurse goes back to Toronto for Mitch Marner.

Okay, let's not talk about that today. Let's not talk about that. We're in the playoffs here. Okay. I can understand Toronto wants to talk about that. Playoffs. Talk about playoffs? I mean, Toronto wants a number one defenseman, so they're picking up nurse.

Yeah, we're in the playoffs, Jake. Don't talk about trading one of your defensemen in the middle of playoffs. I thought Edmonton didn't have a number one defenseman. But I know. But don't tell Toronto that. Are we... Flames fans are all listening to this because they're... Doing it at the end.

Hey. I noticed Dustin didn't bring us too quickly. No, no, no. We'll do the... Oh, they're stacked up downstairs. We'll do the... We'll do the... There's my stack.

Yeah. Well, Harold, is you got a stack? You got a stack? No, Harlins. No, no, no... I got a nice pink Polani cup here. You know, it's funny because he literally had... You know, he was so bang on last year. Too hot.

Remember? He had like 8 of 14 or 9 of 14, right? Well, the rest of us just sucked. And this year, he can't see to pull out, what it matters. A blind squirrel finds a nut. Just ask Crawford who won the draft finally one year. Going into playoffs, I did save Vegas out in the first round. Okay, so, Oilers game last night.

I'm sure there's a ton of Calgary Flames fans. They just tune in and into this because they're just like loving it. We all know Bert's, he hasn't said a peep, which means he's... Not a word. I do want to say, though, me and Burt got Vancouver in the Kitskotty draft. Not looking terrible right now. Hey, you know who the other team in the Kids'Cotty draft took? You remember who we took?

Dallas. No. Didn't you guys take Dallas guys? Florida. Florida's looking pretty good, aren't we? Yeah, not bad at all that. Okay. Oiler game last night.

They out shoot them, what was it? 40. 16. Yeah, well, I mean, roughly, right? Skinner gives up four. Skinner's getting outplayed by an American hockey league goalie. So do we go to Picard? Is this silver coin going to be a distraction for you all day here?

You know what? I'm just so proud of it right now. It's affecting my mood here right now. Can you just put it down? It's just so shiny. I feel like we're right back to where we were last year. I could be wrong on this because the others played a great game last night. I thought they did not play a bad game whatsoever.

But we're right back to where we were last year where we're going to see what the coach is made out of. Because Vancouver is making Skinner's life miserable. He's not this big, quick goal. And they just keep exposing it. Like, where was one big save? yesterday from him. Has he had one, like five bell saving them in this round? And I'm trying to think of one or two that...

Like, he played okay game two. He's playing okay. I'd like to point out. He's let in 12 goals and 58 shots. That is not okay. He's not put in 5, 4 and 4 in 3 games. He's played awful. I would like to point out that we talked about last time.

No, he let in 5, 3, 4. Right? It was 4 3 in game 2. 4 3. Sure. So 5, 5, 3, 3, 4. Okay, so I'm not trying to... 12 goals on 58 shots.

He's been average. I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, last night it was with you. Like, he has under an 800 save percentage. We're not going to... He's not been okay. Last night he was bad.

Last night he didn't, you know, you talk about the Vancouver goal. How many nice saves did he make? So is Skinner tiring out like he did last year? No, I don't think he's tiring out. What did? I don't think so. I just... Bad feet.

Yeah, I just think it's, uh, um... Hey, I got sheep and you look at the feet on a sheep. And if they got bad feet, you just get rid of it. This is where we're going. This is, same thing with cows. You got bad feet, you get rid of them. That's where you're at with this goalie. Don't you remember last year, L.A., they just kept doing that damn wraparound,

and you're like, why can he? No, no, no, no. It started with L.A. And Vegas did it all. And then L.A., or Vegas followed it up. I'm like, why can't he get to the side of that? Like, why can't he? And it's just, it's almost like in the playoffs, for whatever reason, there's going to be a team that figures it out.

And, and Vank, they did it beautifully. So do you go to Picard? Yes. Let's get Picard a game. You have to. If, if you lose. the game here's my thinking if you lose this next game you're down 3-1 and you go back to Skinner and try and run the tables you know what if you win can I can I

can I just really throw a wrinkle Jack Campbell are you bringing in Jack Campbell you're not bringing in Harlemall okay so maybe he catches first where was she off this entire year anybody oh my God hey John not bringing in Jack Sammel okay so so here's the reason why you see it in the playoffs and not the regular season because in the regular season you're playing a different team every second night and you don't have time to plan around all the weaknesses of a goalie. What happens in the playoffs, though, is you play five, six, you're planning against one goalie the entire time so you can actually plan for his weaknesses.

And it's not even, I agree with you about the planning. I agree with everything you're sand dust. It's also that even as an individual player, you just get used to it. Yes. So you're coming around and you're starting to notice that if you go far side along the ice, he's just a touch slow going there. Or if you go back door on him or you just, you're starting to get a feel as a player on the ice every game.

And not just the good. goal but on how the defenseman goes and how he moved to this move and how don't do that again because he ram me through the boards and you're just starting to get used to guys if you're the oilers and you put up that many shots and you played a decent game like they hit like seven post last night it was insane can we talk about the minutes sure yeah we can talk about the minute i was going to say is you got to go in my opinion as a player you got to go to the you got to go to the different goal just to try it for like because at some point they literally didn't like we we gave the well, there's a hard time for not having a shot in a period.

They pretty much held Vancouver after the first four goals. They gave up like three shots the rest of the game. It's like we're not going to give up a single bloody shot. We're going to block everything. This is where the emotion comes in because they start pushing. And they start pushing and pushing and pushing and they get all the shots. But isn't this what happened in the Vancouver Nashville series? No, no, no.

Vancouver had 12 shots one game in one game. No, no. No, but Nashville, Nashville, Nashville actually jumped out in Vancouver caught them a couple times. And Nashville, the one game had 31 block shots. It wasn't that Vancouver wasn't getting shots. Last night for the second half of the game, the Oilers just were like, screw it. We're just not going to give up any shots then.

I mean, the other thing that I've noticed about Vancouver, as good as the Oilers' power play penalty kill was in the first round, Vancouver's figured it out. Like, they probably should, like, Pedersen had the broken stick, and that probably should have been a goal. Like, their power play, once they get set up and moving, it's better than L.A. is this year, Which is surprising because L.A.'s was so dominant last year.

Yeah. But they brought in the pieces, right? P.S. Souter, Lynn Holm guys that that's what they do. I think that's part of the story with the series right now is Vancouver's middle ground guys are playing better than Emmetton. But they're playing more because the middle guys where they're playing. They're playing more because they're not playing. They have four Euler fords and everybody else is sitting on the bench.

Can we talk about the Oilers lines right now and the difference between the first and the second round is that they've got dry saddle and McDavid playing together. I believe because Drysadle got hurt in game one. Which is fair. But, whoa, whoa, just hold on. The Oilers have two center icemen that can drive the play. And that's McDavid and Drysail. Right.

Nuge can't drive the play and we've known this for years. And Henrique is hurt. And Henrique is hurt. But they don't have someone else who can drive a line. And Nuge, I love him to death. And he's a great secondary piece, but he's not a guy who drives the puck up the ice. He's kind of like Sean, right? Like he's nice to have up and forward, but he's not going to drive the line.

He's not going to push the puck up the ice. Anyhow, and so what happens now is they've got one line that's dominant, but their second line is just okay. In your words, Jay, just okay. Well, here's time. The thing is, though, is, so our dry salt is playing like 29 minutes. So here, here, here, don't tell me. I agree with you there, too, hoax.

Either he's hurt or he's not. Right. And if he's playing 29 minutes. Are you hurt or he injured? If he's playing 29 minutes, like, to me, you've got to be able to drive your own line. Here's the minutes. Here's the minutes played from the oil. last night.

Okay. Bouchard, the most 3124, followed by McDavid and Drysettled and Hyman. McDavid and Drysadle, both over 29. 2942 for McDavid.

With no overtime. Right. That's half the game. You know, no, no, wait, wait, wait. Their power play last night is,

nobody's going to argue. They are the most electric power play under the sun. But one of their two goals came last night off of the second unit. And I'm not sitting here saying I think the second unit should get a minute and 15 every every I think they

should get the healthy chunk but I also think when it ain't working let the other guys out you got to find a way to get Perry and Kane you're all Harrell so last night for the listener the text line between the brothers just blew up for about an hour I was about ready to throw my phone out the door but like you want to get people in the game you got to allow them to play when when you got uh you know some of your players here you know you're trying to get cane in the game he played 14 minutes okay you got Perry played under 10. Fogel? Yanmark was six minutes, Ryan's seven minutes, Brown eight, Fogel, 845, McLeod 11, Bill and Halloway, 11.

And just game two, McLeod was 12 minutes, Henrique was 11 minutes, Perry was 10 minutes, Yan Mark, nine minutes, Ryan was seven minutes, and Holloway six minutes. And you go to the top players, McDavid had 28 minutes. minutes. Right. But they put them on a line together and then they, it's like that every chance they can go, they're like, this is how we're going to win is off one line. You're not going to win the Stanley Cup doing what they're doing.

So if you looked at their last power play, I don't know if you guys noticed, but it was garbage. And I wonder like fatigue plays, especially on mental decisions. You're playing a two minute flip and shift. No, no, no. I realize that. But combined with that is when you've played that many minutes, like your mental processes just aren't as sharp because you've been going so hard for so long. And this is where I go back to,

if you move dry so down and centers his own line on line two, you can combine them from time to time, especially on the power play. But now you spread it out a little bit. The other thing I'd like to see them do is I would like a chaos line of young guys who are very fast. And bang. And bang.

And I look at McLeod with Holloway and Fogle. You put those three guys together. It's going to be complete chaos for Vancouver because they're all fast and they all go hard. The Rogers line. McLeod. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely.

Like you just add chaos in. And not only that, if you have one line that does that, it screws up Vancouver's entire team because when that line comes out, it just like... You're defending against them differently. Yes, absolutely. And then when the McDavid line comes out, they're different. And so now you're showing them different things

as opposed to one dominant line and the rest is crap. Well, and I feel like, too, if you're going to put Dry Settle McDavid together, then put Hyman on the second line with Nugent Hopkins to build a second line. Because Hyman's your other guy that really... He doesn't necessarily drive the play, but he's the guy winning battles in the corner. He can make things happen.

Right. And all of a sudden. So take, so if you're going to put McDavid and Dreysel together, take your next best three players. And put them as your second. And the problem McCain has is he's not fast enough to get there anymore. And so having him with Nuge who's not, Nuge is not the guy who's going to come in there, muck it up, get the puck. That's not what he does. And so Hyman makes a lot of sense.

And the problem is right now is you got guys on that second line that can't make a line happen in my book. This is, this was my text going back and forth to dust last night, is dust is dumping on Skinner for obvious reasons. Well, because he had a 733. I get it. I understand that. But at the same time, if it's not working. 73 in the playoffs. At the same time.

Oh boy. If it's not working for you, you brought in Perry, you brought in cane to add an edge to the oilers. And they have been nowhere in any of the mix. If you're, I think of. last year in the playoffs and the Oilers are playing like dog shit and Keynes goes up in the, they haven't even dropped the puck yet and he slashes a guy on the top of the feet just to get something going. Like, you need these guys that you brought in.

But in order to be like that, run over the goalie. Shiloff is playing that while. But like you say, Harles, right? But like you said, if you're going to get guys to play like that, they've got to be playing. They've got to feel part of something. Don't sit them on the bench and then five minutes later go out there and then expect that this guy's going to run over somebody and be. Actually, the one thing you've really noticed about the Canucks is they're physical.

Like, I think we've been getting bullied around the ice. You know, like, Kane gets drilled. Like, I hate Zatteroff, but I kind of admire them all at the same time, right? Drills Kane and gets a, you know, everyone's upset about that. I'm like, I don't know. Is that a penalty? This is a playoffs. Right.

He drills Kane. Have we had a big hit yet? Like, we had one big hit? Oh, don't you remember Nurse on Peterson? Yeah. That was a big hit. Okay, that was a big hit. My first shift last night?

Zadaroff has scored, has scored, and he's ran over every one of our players. And at the end of last night, he probably gets Carson Sousi suspended because I think Carson, you know. So that's another question. Is it Sousie getting suspended or is it? Oh, guaranteed. It's going to be guaranteed. Not Zataroff? No.

It was Sussie stick that Cross chuses him in the face. But you can tell by Susie's by reaction is he was going, he gets, you know, McDavid. He's two hands him. So he gives him one back, and he goes to give him, I'm going to give you one. And Zaderoff hits him at the same time, and it's just like, ah, bang, in the face. He's going to get suspended. I don't know. Is it a game?

You know, whatever. It's the best player in the planet. You've got to do something. If the NHL doesn't, I mean. And it was after the game. So they're trying to crack down on that stuff as well because it's... But it's Zadaroff again, right? He comes in and gives him one in the back.

And where is Echholm ripping his head off or whoever? Well, and that's what I was saying there last. No, Desirene played eight minutes. Right. So like... There's your biggest toughest band of the team. And he's not out there. He's sitting on the bench the whole time.

So something else that the two biggest hits in the game last night? Before we move on, this was what I was saying last night, though, too, was if this was the Rangers and Carolina, there's a line brawl. Or Florida and Boston. Or Florida and Boston. They just cross-checked your best player, best player in the entire league in the face, and like there was nothing. There was no pushback.

There's got to be a push-up. back throughout this entire team like where's the fire? And we're starting to win? Starting to smell like a leaf nation here. Oh, geez. I was going to say the two biggest hits in my mind were not the Zaderoff hit on Kane last night. But if you watch that first shift, Ekholm got popped twice on that first shift.

I can't believe he stayed out after that thing off because he got rocked hard twice. He thought it was going to be an icing, right? Like he slowed up because he thought it was an icing and then got drilled. And then he picked himself up and he turned and boom. Boom again. And the second one that probably hurt. more than the first. Oh, guarantee. So, so, so, so to switch things up then, go with Picard here game four, move dry sidled to set centers own line,

move Carrick back into the lineup. Can we have a third line that is those three speedy guys? Like that would be phenomenal. We could. Where, where are you putting character? Are you getting him some ice time here early in the game to see again? Well, I didn't think he was unhealthy. I thought he was just healthy scratch. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that they just like how about how about we get a little tougher in the lineup. So, so, so I look at that fourth line. If you had Ryan, who I really like, he's not going to have run guys over, but he works his bag off with, uh, Carrick could be another one and the third guy being, uh, Yanmark. Yeah, and Mark. Those three guys are just muckers. I like that. And if your second line

was three fast guys that just blitz them, I would like that a lot. Well, and that fourth line worked right at the end of the second period. They got almost double shifted and then start of the third. They went, we're right back on. You get guys in the game. You got. have a fine way to get guys in the game. Gotta get guys in the game. And in fairness to the Oilers PowerPlay, McDavid, and all those, it's the greatest power play ever to jump on the ice. And when it's running at one point, it was four for six in the series.

It's like you're going to give them as much time as they need. But at some point... You still need to get guys on the ice. You still got to get guys on the ice. Well, and you can't tire your best players out for when you need the push. Well, and this is a war of attrition a little bit too. Like, this is a best of seven series, not a game one series. And so some of it is you need, because it's, because it's,

McDavid is not going to be the guy that wearing down Pedersen and J.T. Miller and Besser and all them guys. So you need Carrick and Connor Brown or Yanmark or Dylan Hallway or whoever your guys are to be leaning on them guys and banging Quinn Hughes and banging Ronick and all these guys. Because McDavid and Dry Saddle and Hyman are out there to score. Yeah, they'll use a little bawdy, but they're not banging. This is a seven-game series. We need to tire them guys out too. And this goes back to if your goalie doesn't make saves early. What they're doing late is they're rolling McDavid out every second shift? To try and score. because they need goals.

And if you had a goalie make a save or too early on, then you can roll that third and fourth line out more to bang more. We're going to find out, so last couple of years, we've had a different coach, right? We got knob block now. I'm really interested to see because last... Can he adjust? Yeah.

Last year, to me, it was evident that Campbell should have started right at the end of the Vegas series. And they kept going back to Skinner, back to Skinner, back to Skinner. And every game, it felt like we were always playing from behind because Skinner could never make the big save. give Jack Camel credit.

It was ugly last year, but he made the big saves against L.A. That's why we got through L.A. Right now, we just need a goalie to make a big save. Can we just make a save? Oh, they get a breakaway, fine. Make the stop. Let's even break it down. Even worst case scenario, you start Picard in the first period, he allows three.

You go back to Skinner. You still have the type of team that could come back on that. And right now, there's no saying that Skinner won't go in the net and let it three anyways. That's what he's been doing. At least three. Like, and I'm a Skinner guy. him. So let's, you know, the other thing we're,

exposed. The other thing we were talking about there a couple of sessions ago was, or maybe his last one or the one before, was how big of a pickup Lindholm was for the Canucks. Remember they almost traded them, retreated him at the deadline?

Well, but they balanced out three lines. And that Linholm line is eating the Oilers alive. I can't believe they considered trading him at the deadline after they picked him up because he's a solid player. Yeah. He's a nice second-

And again, good players make players run them better. Yes. Sol's on Joshua and Conor Garland look pretty good out there. Yeah, well, and Joshua's been laying some body too, right? Like, they just, I never, I've always remembered the Canucks of the Cedines, right? They're a bunch of pansies.

They're leaning on the Oilers right now. It's quite evident. Like, they look like the bigger, heavier team. It doesn't mean that they're dominating the play. Like, I mean, geez, for half the game or more last night, the Oilers were absolutely all over. So if they put Picker to Nett and he's a 90s, 8% of the Oilers start winning. Yes. So maybe the rest of its rhetoric.

Well, I think this is the argument Harley and I had last night. I don't give a shit about the emotion if they don't have a goalie can make a save. It won't matter. How many times have we played at noon hour where you get the goalie matchup and then your goalie doesn't make a safe? Yeah. You know, I can do whatever I want. I mean. So is Sean blaming the goalies not?

I'm not. But I tell you what? You're nervous. You played well. We were just a better team. Billy, I walked in the thing. I said, my only give Billy the shut out. He only let in four.

He was electric. Every time I play him, he's electric. Every time Bill you play for me, you're Buffalo. Right? Like you can't stop a freaking beach ball. Oh, I see, yeah. Right? See?

See what I mean? Bill doesn't like Sean. I just want to point out. He likes playing against me. The last thing. I'm starting to feel like everybody likes playing against me. I don't like playing against you, Sean. I like, I like playing on your team.

Okay. The last session, we talked about the goaltenders through the, what the teams that are left. Remember we said Skinner and Georgiev with apologies to Slough, Shiloff. Shiloff. Yeah, right? The weak ones. Are the two average ones? Yeah.

Versus Rest of them. Colorado's down two games to one to Dallas. And Hamilton's down two games and one to Vancouver. And this goes back to what we talked about. If the Oilers' offense wasn't as good as it was, they'd be down 3-0. Well, and if you look at Oilers in Colorado, between McKinnon, McCar, Dry Sightle, McDavid, do you not have four of the top four players in the league? Almost.

Almost. Four of the top six? Four of the top five? I don't know. Whatever it is, it's the top four players left in the playoffs. Do you want to talk about any of the other? other series. We could maybe bring up the fact Florida is now up 3-1 on Boston. Just Manhattan. Like just, that's a tough old team. Do you see the Carolina of the Rangers beat in Florida

right now? No. Rangers got a deadly power play too, just similar to, you know. And they got, they got, uh, uh, goal tenor. Why can't I think of his name? Yeah, Schisturkin. Shisterkin. Like, you get into, when you get into the best of the best goal, They can equal some things up real fast. And Shisterkin has been, because Carolina's not a bad hockey team. They are very good. And Shisterkin's been giving them fits. Yes.

Shisterkin's a goalie that can steal games. And he has been. That's been a good series. Shirken and Bobrowski and the Semi's. That's a nice matchup. I don't know if this made it on the first podcast we did that start this year, but Sean and I were talking about a tough division. And Sean brought up the Tampa Bay, Boston, Florida, Toronto Division,

and how strong it was. I said strong. No, no, no, no, no. What I said was it's no longer the strongest division in the league. What I said is you have one elite team, which is Florida, and you have three good teams. And he said, no, no, Toronto and Boston and Tampa Bay are all elite. And I said, no, they're not anymore. Five years ago.

And what division did you say? And what division did you say? Whoa. I said five years ago it was the strongest division in the league and Toronto still believes it's the best division in the league. But what you're seeing is, is that Florida is not what the rest of those teams, they're elite. What division did you say? I can't remember. Did I say Colorado or did I see the Eminton division?

You said the Eminton division. He said Emmington with Vegas and L.A. And I'm just, no. Right? No, no, but think about this. Everyone thinks the East. So he's going to brag on me and then he's going to say the Oilers are the best of it. I don't know.

Well, then you've got Dallas, Colorado, Winnipeg. Which is, yeah. Which is also another strong division. And you go, whoa, no, no, no. The East is the strongest. You go, where were the last Stanley, two Stanley Cup champs from? They were from the west in Colorado and Vegas. And then two before that was Tampa Bay, right?

Yes, but Tampa Bay is no longer where they were. Yeah, but Florida is. And Tampa's still in the playoffs. There's still a very good team. Boston and Toronto are that good, too. Sean, you're always going to have four teams in that division making the playoffs. So you're not making a point that makes any fucking sense. Like, is going anywhere right now.

What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, sounds like Dustin's arguing with themselves. Toronto should take a hard look in the mirror. We should have a little thing where it's the. Dustin two minute argument rank corner. So what I'm saying is is that that division isn't as strong as what it used to be. Tampa Bay is aged and they're not as good as what they used to be. Boston has lost their top two centermen and they're not as strong as that they used to be.

And Toronto doesn't have a defense and a goaltender and they're not as strong as they used to be. And the only team that's elite there is Florida. Has Toronto ever been that strong? Like there's a good regular season team that has a Dustin Newman crang on the bench and they still don't have a defense and their goaltending they haven't figured out. I think I've been saying they're not that strong of a team. Isn't that what we used to say about Washington and then they won? Yeah. Right?

Well, remember San Jose? Can never make it, never make it. They never did end up winning, but went to the finals. Went to the finals. Right? Like, I mean, is that Carolina, though? Is Carolina getting close to that team where do they, at some point? I mean, what is this?

If they're probably going to lose the Rangers, is this five or six years in a row they can't get to the finals? Is Carolina the team that you've got the good teams that make the playoffs? They're very good team that makes the division and conference final, but they're not quite elite where they win the Stanley Cup. But if you make, in my opinion, if you make the playoffs, there's probably what, three teams we could argue that, you know, got in because there was nobody else. But the rest of the time, like, look at how close Carolina's been to being up three games to one. Heck, all four games.

Well, we were just like. Where they could just be in the semis and we could be going Carolina. We were literally just talking about if Aiden Hill is playing for Vegas, does Dallas get through, right? I mean, you're talking about, like, everything is so tight with a lot of these teams. All it is is a bounce here. Somebody gets injured. Somebody, you know.

But let's go with what you're saying, Harles, because we talked about Skinner and Georgia. So what, and the other team that we mentioned in Anderson seemed to play well, but is Carolina, is that what they're missing is goal tenor? If you switched Anderson and Schisturiken right now, is Carolina winning that series? Yeah, the answer is, yeah. So if you're the GM of Carolina, that's your problem right now. So if the Oilers didn't lose Rollsson in 06, they win the cup. Yes. Sure.

Yes. But that's not how things work. No, but if I'm the guy running Carolina right now, that's your mistake. But what do we talk about at the end of June last year after we'd lost out, after Vegas had won the cup, is Skinner our guy. And goal ten. Because we're seeing the same thing over again. And it's not that he isn't a great goalie. He is a good goalie.

He's a good goalie. He's a good goalie, not a great one. Sure. So how much is Linus Olmer? worth on the because I read an article this morning with Swamen being the go-to guy Almurks on the trade block next summer this summer coming up sure how much is he worth to you can you fit him under the cap sure we're gonna make him fit under the cap sure so you got a nurse is gone for argument sake and now you're so so this is the problem

with managing a team is you're like okay I can add here which I need to and I don't disagree with that you also got to take away to make that happen with the with apologies to four or five or six players on the oilers if if we're sitting here going they're not going to win the cup because they don't have the goal tending to do it or if we're Carolina saying that or for Colorado saying that right now. Yes. How much is Allmark worth because, yeah, you're not training McKinnon, but you, does it really matter if you trade middle stat or your first round pick or Georgiev or Devon Taves? Does it really matter if you're calling? What you're saying is you've got to find your biggest hole and plug it and you've got to move pieces out that are

less important for sure. And so if you look at the others, do you move Kane out so you can bring Allmark in? Sure. I agree with that. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Who is? Who is? untouchable. I mean, with Nugent Hopkins and Hyman's contracts, they probably are. Yes. Drysidal McDavid, yes, because that's how you're going to win the cup. On defense, at home, at home, nobody else. And Bouchard, man. I'm not even Bouchard. Bouchard's playing 31 minutes a game right now. Okay, fair enough. So if you're the Oilers and Boston said they would trade you Omer for Bouchard and Skinner, would you make that deal?

No. See, I might. I think I would see if there's a different way of approaching that deal. And they said, no, you know what? You can approach it like that, Emmington orders. We're going to train them to Colorado because they are going to give us Devin Taves and Georgiev. So this is the problem. But I would take Bouchard over Devon Taves, so that's your option. Are you making that trade?

And then you go find an offensive defenseman run your power play. Is there any other goalies out there? I was going to say about the Bouchard thing playing the most minutes. The thing you have to understand about that is. They're down, so they need to push. so he plays the most. That and the Pee-P. If you get zero PPs in a night,

he never play the most minutes because he doesn't play the heavy minutes. He plays the... And he's got an absolute rocket of a shot. I like Bouchard. There's nothing against him. And he's playing with ECHOM. But these are different minutes than Chris Pronger.

Yes. Well, if you look at the most important defenseman on the Oilers, it's ECOM, right? Yes. That's why I say he's the only guy I'm not trading. So, but is Linus Almark legit number one? Like, is he, can he be Shisterken, Vasolski, Bobrovsky?

Maybe not, but is he good enough to put up 900 instead of 800 in the playoffs? Well, he's been good enough for a lot of years here. Sure has. I mean, he had one where he lost game two against Toronto where he only led in, what, three goals anyways. It wasn't like he played terrible.

Well, and at this point, you can't go next year with Skinner, can you? Not if you don't win this year. Not with how he's playing. Well, especially if he gets replaced here. So this is why I come back to the coaching. This is going to be really interesting to watch because, like, we could sit here and go in three games, Skinner's back playing, is playing well,

I think a game three, I think it was, against L.A. Whereas one-nothing shutout. He played well. He played very well, right? And so, you know, he needs a couple of those, and all of a sudden, everybody will sing a different tune. The problem is right now, he looked defeated on the bench. If you're the coach, you got to worry about how do I win the next game?

I can't worry about is he on the team for the next five years. It's how do we win the next game? And the next game, it feels like you've got to change out the goal tender just to see if you can get a few saves at the start of the game. work, get something. Well, and you're probably going to change your lines up because you need. But do you? Let's go back to what you originally said.

They outshot him 40 to 16. So if you change the goaltender, is that the change you're making, let's go again? And instead of giving up four goals, does he give up two of those goals? And you win. And you win. Because one of them, the one on the power play was an absolute. We can't blame everything on Skanner, but he didn't make a timely save. So the thing about the lines, like you can't keep rolling out your top line 30 minutes a game.

No, but if you're winning, then you're not rolling out your top line. But you need, we just talked about how your bottom lines aren't getting enough done on the ice. I like the old adage. When you have, let's say your car breaks down, you don't just start off by replacing the engine. You know, you check your spark plug, you maybe replace that, maybe your fuel filter. I like the idea of don't make too many changes. Let's just change the goaltender and see. You can even change mid-game dust.

So you could go in the first period. We change a goal tender. We're still zero-zero after the first. Lines aren't working. We can make a change. Or we're down one, nothing. We can make a change. But I don't like the idea of making multiple changes.

and then what was the reason? Was it because of Picard or is it because you have a better balance line up? What's the reason? But have you looked at the first three games and when our bottom lines are good enough to compete? You can tweak. You can tweak.

I mean... I think you have to tweak. If you look at your bottom... You have to look at your bottom lines. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If you look at your bottom lines... Well, you can do whatever. Have they been doing enough?

Well, they're not getting on the ice to do enough. Yeah, but when they're out there, do they do enough? And I would say they haven't. Well, who's getting the... shots, though. Where are all your shots coming from? From the guys in the ice, half the game? Yeah. Yes. Yes, your top line is generating most of those shots.

You know, we should do an experiment. We should have noon hour where Dustin plays every fifth shift and then we'll see how he does. Well, the team would have to carry me less. Okay. Do you want to talk anything else? Dallas... Well, the Dallas, Colorado. I find it so funny.

Everybody loves Colorado because McCarrow and they're so exciting and they're awesome. They are. And Dallas just plods along and wins another game. And they're a very scary team. They got everything. They have a number one defenseman in Heiskena. They have a number one goal in Odinger.

They have three lines that can score. They have some size. They have experience. They went to the finals against Tampa Bay three years ago. They're just, there's not a lot of weak points there. And they knocked up the Stanley Cup champions. To boot. It's kind of the same series.

Isn't it the same kind of series? Colorado, Dallas, Eminton, and Venk. were kind of similar. Yes, and the only thing for me is Dallas is just, there is just no holes there. If Dallas wins the Cup, could they be one of the best teams throughout the entire playoffs,

like they would knock off Stanley Cup champs from last year? Then you're going against Colorado, which is one of the best teams. No Stanley Cup champs from two years ago. Then you're either playing the Emmington owners with the top power play, or you're playing the top team in the west to then go and play the top team from the east. Like they could have arguably the hardest roads to get to the Stanley Cup.

I agree. They have the road that Dustin talks about. They're just walking in and we'll beat whoever. NHL network, Zatteroff fined maximum allowable fine of $5,000 for his cross check on Conradiv. That's a maximum allowable. Oh, he'll take that all day long. Team will probably play a 10 out for them. Right?

Like, who were we getting? Did Susie get anything? Uh, looking. It's kind of crazy at the maximum five is five grand for guys that make millions of years, isn't it? Yeah, but it's the same with politicians, right? I mean, you go for 50 years and back in the time, there was probably five grand too, right? And at that time it was a lot of money.

And now 40 years later, that five grand is worse. So to that, to make your point, five grand to a guy making a million, but them guys, most of them are making at least four. Yeah. So that would be like $125 fine to a guy making $100 grand here. Right? Don't do that again. We'll fine you $125 max.

Yeah. We get fined more for speeding. To the best player in the league. Vancouver defense, McCurses and Susie will have a hearing with the league's Department of Player Safety for cross-checking. In person or not? Phone. Phone. Yeah.

The day-time event have not remained. I'm not sure. I think that's right. In-person is for sure. And I think it's five games. All right. What are we doing for the next silver coin? Yeah. And are we going to do, we're going to pick the order ahead of time or halfway through?

Well, I think that's my choice. Would you like to change the rules at the start or at the end dust? You know, like the pot calling the kettle black here. Unbelievable. Okay. What we're going to do is, what do we say, possible of 14 games? Possible of 14 games left in this first. Before we come back, next Wednesday will be the next brother's roundtable if you're paying attention and carrying on. So there's a possibility of 14 games that could be played if they all went to game sevens. You starting first, Harley?

Yeah, I'm starting first. He's going first. I like to have the ball in hand. Okay. As I would say. So I'm going nine games. Nine games. Nine games.

Okay. Who's up next? It'd be me. I got to think about this, though. Hartles went nine. Does that mean I get to go last? I don't win this. To go last though, like you're not getting any of the good picks.

Sean, what are you going? You're going on an outlier. Eight. Dust. You see? Because now, Jay, like, 8, 9, 10 is even gone, right? Like, now you're getting to an outlier where... I'll go 10.

So we have Harley with 9, Sean with 8, and Dustin with 10. Geez, I wonder. Should we take a poll of what number I should take? So I will take seven and look for my second silver coin.

Unbelievable. So I got to get bang on eight. Harley pick first. And that's a good bang on. Like, why would he do that to us? He could literally have last pick. He got to choose.

Yeah. Ah. Yeah, but I go last and then I'm in the, Jay's... In reality, though, I don't have that many because it's a minimum six. In reality.

Right, because we're Dallas and Emerton series are at. So the minimum we could go is six. So I have six or seven. Sean has eight, Harley has nine, Dustin has ten plus. So why would I want to take two? Dustin is actually in the best spot. Well, that's if Carolina and Boston could get their poop together. That's right.

Right, because it's going to be interesting here. It's going to be interesting. All right. All right, folks, that'll do it for another brother's round table. We'll catch up to you next week, Wednesday. Wednesday, you'll be looking for that. I don't know. morning or afternoon. Jay's all happy about a silver coin. All right, that's it.