Shaun Newman Podcast - #646 - Military Roundtable 5

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

Jamie Sinclair spent 34 years in the Canadian Military serving with the Royal Regina Rifles and the Princess Patricia’s. He served in four tours overseas.  Keon Flamont spent 7 years in the Canadian Military serving with the Royal Regina Rifles and the Princess Patricia’s acquiring specialty courses in assault pioneer and paratrooper.  Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text: [phone] – and be sure to let them know you’re an SNP listener. Ticket for Dr. James Lindsay “Parental Rights Tour”:https://brushfire.com/anv

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He served four tours overseas. The second, he spent seven years in the military splitting his time between the Royal Regina Rifles and the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. He also was part of the Bionic Bannock Boys Nationally-Televised series on APTN. I'm talking about Jamie Sinclair and Keon-Flamant. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Shahnoolewam podcast. I'm joined again in the Regina Hotel.

ask, that is, by Keon. Flamont. Flamont, Flamont, Land, Jamie Sinclair. So, boys, thanks for doing this. And I don't know, like, I suppose we best start with Keon because nobody knows who that is. Most listeners by now have heard Jamie on several different roundtables. So, Keon, I guess, thanks for joining.

And let's just start. Who are you? Give the listener a little bit of a background. We'll hop in from there. Sure. Well, thanks for the invite. Listen to your show really enjoyed it. Get lots of laughs all the time when you got the guys on.

But born in Regina, Saskatchewan kid. This will always be home for me. Regina will always be home for me. And I guess who is as far back as I can remember, I wanted to be a soldier. Just running around, you know, with badminton rackets or whatever have you to make impromptu guns because my mom wouldn't let me have toy guns and I was a kid. I think I was about 10 years old when I got my first one. one is one of those little sticky suction things on there on the end as a shotgun

to everything so that was the first gun I ever had I guess but uh always want to be a soldier and that's always what I wanted to do so when I was even in high school it was it was didn't worry about my grades or anything else because it was like oh at that time you don't need grade 10 so it was kind of like uh I can do that that's easy enough so but when I was in high school that's when I joined the rifles the reserves and that's where I met Rob and Will, there were probably a couple of the first people I met. Actually, I think it was Rob was first one I met. And he kind of pulled me in into everyone else, which was a great thing at the time with Will. Anyone who knows Will knows he's a big character and a little cocky

and a lot cocky when he was younger. So I have to say, I wasn't a big fan of Will when I first met him. And now he's a brother, right? But they pulled me in. And they told me stories about Jim. And I was like, who the hell is the Sinclair guy and everything else, right?

So it was, I think I was in for a year before I actually first met you because you were gone. Yeah, I was in a regular army, but, oh, no, no, no, no. Because Will and Rob got in in 89. 89. And when did you get in?

I got it in 90. Okay, yeah, I was on my way. I was going through, like, because I couldn't transfer from the reserves to the regular army. So I was dating a girl at the recruiting center and I said, hey, listen, I'm going to show up on Monday morning. You're going to pretend like you don't know me and you're going to like do all the paperwork like I'm a civilian and I'm going to re-enlist into the fucking army and I want to be

a Patricia. She's like, no problem. So I was actually going through Cornwallis again, going through all the training that I've already had. But that was the only way to get into the regular army at that time. And it never caught up to me until after battle school, my fucking Batuamorn lost his shit. He's like, you're already in the army?

And he went through the army again. And then I'm like, that was the only way I could be a Patricia. He's like, oh, fuck, whatever. Thanks for, you know, he was, he loved me. So it was all good. But getting back to Keon. So he's talking about Rob Stevenson, and Rob Stevenson's dad was in the Regina Rifles as an officer.

And he got Willie involved, and then he got Rob involved, and then Keon. And Keon's mom and dad were like fucking the mom and dad of Willie. And for Keon, like they did everything together, these three guys. They were thick as sieves. I remember you guys were going to go over to Croatia, I think, 90s. or something like that. Yeah, it was Roe to 1. Yeah, but I think didn't we do winter off, winter warfare together in Calgary?

In Calgary, yeah. Yeah, so. That would have been after that. That would have been when we really fucking connected. Yeah. And that was wild. Like, because I had a place in Calgary and we would party and drink there and, and be in soldiers like no one else to fight.

So let's go downstairs and punch a shit out of each other. And face smash fist game. Yeah, yeah. punchy face and all the games we used to play. I see, maybe I'm wrong on this, but it feels like, you know, over the course of this weekend, this will be the third and final roundtable we do. And I've seen, and maybe I'm wrong on us, curious here, two thoughts, a bit of a trend of most of you didn't get involved in military because, you know, you saw an ad.

It feels like a lot of you got involved in military because your family heritage. is military. Am I wrong on that? I didn't want to join the Army. My mom made me join the Army because I was out of control 18-year-old kid. You're still out of control, Jamie.

But I was worse then. So she wanted me to be in the military for a summer. I ended up loving it and wanting to join the regular Army. So that's why I got in. And I fucking made a commitment. I don't know if I have time to get into this,

but I mentioned it last night. is I never want to, like I never saw myself as somebody killing somebody. And when I, going through the training years, I'm sure you can contest to this, Kian, but there's a point you realize I'm going to have to kill somebody, or I might be killed doing this job. And like, you've got to really, you'll have a soul-searching part of your life or you're like, can I commit to this and carry on with this type of life? And what happened to me is, is, okay, if I'm going to do this and I'm going to potentially have to, like, murder somebody that's opposing me, my mindset was I'm going to kill for the guy beside me to the right or to the left.

And I could justify that. Because I was excelling at military stuff at this time. and I'm like, okay, so if I'm going to commit to this and potentially lose my life, fighting for our way of life, I want to be the best fucking killer I can be. And I basically never had a thought that I wouldn't do that, which, you know, as time went on and in battle,

you know, things happen. But you also don't commit to having a long life because you don't know if you're going to fucking live die. And one thing I learned from veterans is like you never think about surviving a battle because you'll get killed first because you're too fucking, you're doing stuff that it's going to make you get killed when you like go to ground and you don't get up and move forward. Veterans that we knew would be like when you get in contact, you shoot and move, you keep shooting and move it. You never stay in the same spot. You fucking become this, this. You got to be ferocious

and like there's something that comes out of you that is that makes you not like a regular person like you know Jim Sinclair like sitting here I'm a nice guy but I'm not a nice guy when when it comes to that you become a tool of destruction and I'm trying to sugarcoat this so it doesn't make me sound like I'm a maniac or anything but you become a different person in those environments. And my kids would be like, you know, sometimes I'll be mad or upset. I'm like, you've never seen me mad.

Like, you will never see me mad because you don't know what, when you get into that mindset, how aggressive and angry you can be when you're actually having to engage the enemy and kill them. So anyway, so that's a long-winded story. And I had to get into that. That's good.

But Keon, you know, serving overseas and stuff that he's done as well. he's going to get into it, but I'm telling you right now this man here, I would fucking serve with him anywhere and follow him. He was, you know, a mass corporal in the Army and

No, I didn't quite get there. Oh, you didn't get to why you went through the training. Yeah, wherever heard. But great leader right here, and I'm proud to sit here with the Keon. Thanks for, thanks for letting's do in this. Thank you, I appreciate that. Speaking of the Master Corrible thing.

A little closer to the Mike Keon. Oh, sorry. Back to the Master Corval thing. So myself, Rob and Will, were supposed to be promoted that next week to Master Corporal. And we got, as it the Armories here in Regina, kind of had a little bit of an incident in the junior ranks mess. So we lost our promotions at that point there. That wasn't going to happen.

And we actually had, we were, excuse me, there's no cough button. So there was like, shoot, there's like 15 of us in. involved in this thing. And we had to go down in the armories that brought the, uh, uh, the meatheads, the MPs from, uh, from Moose Shaw. They came in, they interrogated us every day for like two to half, three weeks. And they kept saying, if we're, if we're found guilty of what we're talking about, like, we're going to jail. So when we showed up for our charge parade, we had all of our kit, uh, the service battalion driver had the panel van out already started, ready to go waiting for us to load up our kit because they totally expected us that we're going to get

charged and have to go to DB detention barracks in emmington to jail so before we go in we're walking along there in the RSM he's passed away now uh wonderful man he brassa braza yeah nice yeah he says guys guys move in here we quickly go in his office and we're literally walking to the commanding officer's office to get charged and he says please plead guilty to 129 and Sorry Plead guilty of one two nine which is conduct unbecoming so basically anything you do you'll get charged with one two nine as well So they uh so we go to public drunkenness and one two nine and you won't go to jail

That's what he said those exact words so it was uh thanks brother so that was uh how we stayed out of jail but we still got charged and had extra duties and fines and so on and so forth. But that's how we lost our promotion. And then that's when all three of us went into the regular force. So at that point there, you go from reserves into the regs. You usually get demoted anyway. So then I got pushed back to private again. All three of us did. So that was, I was that close to getting my master corporal, but oh well, such as life. What did you do? We're not going to get into that. Well, I'll say one thing. There was some other people. people that were in the mess that weren't mess members.

And they knew the bartender at the time. And that's how they were getting in. And people just kind of let it slide, let us slide, let a slide. And then there was an event going on there. So all the guys stayed out of there. Then we came in. And then this other group that they're not members started getting solid with some of the troops. So that was a mistake on their part.

and then the next day we got church. So our mess is, it's about 30 feet near. And there's been times where people have been ejected from the mess, not through the door, but through the window. Because, like, they've done something egregious. And usually it's snow, like, there's snow out there. So they don't hurt them. Like, being a paratrooper, which we both are,

when you jump out of an airplane, it's about the same type of impact when you land. so you know it's it's been known that people have been throwing out of the mess literally out through the fucking window I'm not welcome back so turkeys are thrown out there too a few times I think yeah so uh we used to get like as privates you'd get like like seven hundred dollars a month and pay and at christmas time they would give you a frozen turkey to take home so your parents could cook this thing right well you give 18 year old kids a frozen turkey at the men's Christmas dinner as a you know a gift from their army they don't make it to the kitchen table like they end up

being used as bowling balls and fucking all kinds of shenanigans with with frozen turkeys it's it's almost a scene out of that movie uh wk or that show wk rp i honestly thought they could fly the horror humanity anyways no these turkeys uh they they were great for morale and uh there's lots the stories of the food like we just have food fights like imagine 1200 guys sitting down for christmas dinner and in front of you like they got log cakes and hard candy and everybody's like excited for the christmas dinner because then you get your lead pass you get to go home well somebody 'll take a fucking candy and pooh and then it flies like through the through the like a f-16 in calgary it like flies like a hundred feet yeah and then

somebody fucking throws one back and then next thing you know there's a handful of go it's flying and then then it's a fucking log cake and then it's like plates of food so you got 1,200 guys fucking throwing food back and forth at each other it's insane it was anyways yeah well there's uh fun um you mentioned that the wine bottle in the other room there yeah and as soon as anyone just says wine so i it was a men's christmas dinner it was actually in virgina and we were privates at the time and we're wine stewards so and at the uh it was a senior mess or senior um ncio's uh mess dinner so we're serving them and we're wine stewards right so we're serving the wine but the thing was is that one troop would always be back just drink drinking wine like just

down in wine and we're like well we're just kids right so we're just i've never drank wine in my life before this right so i didn't know how how to drink wine even right so i just right out of the bottle just tugging this stuff right just going hard and it got to a point where I couldn't even I couldn't even serve anymore. So I just sat down. I just kept drinking this wine and wine. And then at the end of the meal, there's liqueurs that come out. Oh, and keep in mind, too, the people are actually dining are not allowed to leave the table

until everything's done. They can't go for a piss or anything, right? And they go on for hours. It's a military thing, yeah. And these go for hours and hours and hours. So why can't you go, what is it about, what? What is it? It's,

I don't know if it stems from like the Navy days or, or it's a, it's a military tradition. Once you sit down for these, these dinners, you can't leave. You can't get them going to piss. You can't do it.

I don't know. So people end up peeing themselves or why? Yep. No, they piss into fucking wine bottles. So you bring the empty wine bottles, they'll fucking piss up. They'll piss in there under the table and leave it on the side of things.

So as, as you're going by, you're picking up fucking, bottles of piss and shit. It's crazy. Hey, I was never a senior NCO. They fucking do crazy things. Yeah, they do some weird stuff.

I don't know if it's like that anymore. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, so. And then as... Well, I'll just finish off this one part here is so they brought the liqueers out. And there's a lot of, especially with senior NCOs and stuff like that.

They're older folks, so they don't drink as much of the young guys. And some of them are, you know, recovering alcoholics. So they're not drinking. So trays and trays and trays of all these shooters, like crem de menth and drabuey and all these liqueurs, right? And so I'm just like gunned already from this wine.

So I start taking these shooters now, these liqueurs, drinking them like shooters, right? And I don't know how many I had, but there was a crem de menth all over my DUs and that was just a mess and kept drinking. Don't remember anything else for that night. Woke up the next day, and I forget who the end of the end. you'll was um i think it might have been hogberg Trevor hoggwork he comes into the bathroom and i'm literally in the armory's wrapped around the toilet and i'm cooling my head on the on the portion of the toilet and i have like i've never been so hung over my life and it was just brutal

and he just like okay whatever you're done you can't you're useless today right so you're not working and um and and it was fine but i never drank wine since then and that was 30 years 30 30 plus years ago. I still haven't drinking wine. I still can't even look at it. Like, nothing. I got a question to ask you. When you came to Calgary, that winter exercise we went on in Cranbrook, were you on

that? Yep. Now, what section were you in? Were you with Anderson? You know what I forget. So on that exercise, it's the first time that I was, I was in a reconnaissance battune. But these guys, I think you guys were in C Company. Yeah.

And our job was to do close reconnaissance of their company in a defensive position. I was left behind with the radios and all the serialized equipment. And my debt, the section commander and a couple of other guys, they got captured. So I'm like, fucking, you know, you've got to wait a certain amount of time and then they're supposed to come back. And then there's contingency plans. Anyways, I hear the skidoo start up, and it's coming up the hill. So I'm like, that's weird. So I start grabbing serialized equipment, and I'm putting it in my rucksack because this isn't supposed to be happening.

So then I think, before I run out of here, because I know that I know where my escape plan is, I'm like, maybe they stole a fucking one of their skittos. And now we got a skidoo because there's like three feet of snow. We're in the mountains in Frown Brook. Well, it's guys out of my debt. they've been they've been so-called killed or captured they got to come get their survival gear because they got to now stay with C company and one of the guys I forget his name I think it was calls like or someone like that he goes okay he's like we got captured you know we got to go down to the fucking thing I'm like I didn't get fucking captured he's like Mike Anderson and which is a JTF2

guy he's like he's already coming up the hill with his section and they're coming to get you because they know you're up here. I'm like, I don't fucking care. Like, I'm not, I'm not surrendering and I'm not quitting this exercise. I'm escaping and evading back to lines with the information I already got from what we gathered already. So I fucking, like Mike Anderson's a legend. He's a ex-2-commando guy. Well, two-commando guy.

And I know he wants to catch me. And like, he fucking, that's what he lives for. So I'm like, the only way I'm going to get out of here now is I got to go straight up this fucking mountain. because I got to out physically perform those guys. So I fucking get my ruck on and I fucking go straight up the steepest part of this fucking hill. I thought I was going to fall back. I thought I was going to cause an avalanche

and burying myself in snow and that's how steep this much. And all they could think of is being captured and fucking, that was such a dishonorable thing. You potentially could be kicked out of the platoon for fucking not doing your, like doing your drills, right? So anyways, I eventually make it back to my platoon lines behind it took like a day to get back

because I fucking had to cross rivers and shit on the little ice flow bridges and it was you and I'm all by myself right so anyways when I get back there it was my platoon warrant Bobby Donkey's a platoon commander

acting and then Sergeant fucking McDonald in the tent there and they couldn't give a fuck that I made it back you know they were a happy I did like but they don't want to give me any accolades because, you know, you just didn't do that back in those days. But, yeah, that was a good exercise. That was fucking, that was fun.

And that was deep snow. I remember it was on the BV 206. And the BV206 is kind of like this. It's a little track vehicle. Kind of has a, it's almost like a little train, but it's only like a two thing train. And they're pretty high. They stand up pretty high.

And I was on top of it. And I got my mucklacks sort of run and slipped on some ice or snow or whatever else. And it was like, oh, shit. And I fell off. And I just like fell into a big pillow like the snow was that deep where it was like I fell into the snow and I still wasn't hitting the ground yet It was crazy. Yeah, it was like there's like six seven feet of fluffy snow on top like it was it was beautiful and at the time The grizzly bears were actually

Starting to come out of hibernation. I don't know if you remember that because they give you exercise Um safety precautions like for avalanche and fucking hypothermia and all that like you go through it before you go there so you prepared for it and one of them was and uh there's a potential of fucking grizzly bears coming out their dens looking for food because it's that time of year it's like oh my god fuck okay because when when you encounter like animals on exercise you can't carry your live ammunition because we're doing blank training and it's a safety thing but what you can do is you can take your bFA off your rifle and put your cleaning rod down there and you can fire three

shots and you can you shoot basically a steel dart that's like eight inches long and you can kill something with it right so you got some form of protection and that's not going to fuck all to a grizzly bear right

it's like it's fucking make it bad right and a BFA is a blank firing attachment so it goes on the the end of the barrel with the rifle so when you are shooting when you're shooting blanks because there's no projectile that's going and with it with the gas tube it will capture some of the some of the gas that

doesn't get thrown outside with the projectile itself there's a hole in there and it goes to the gas tube which brings the action back on the on the bolt so then that feeds the next round so but when you don't have a round there that's not going to happen so you have to plug the the end of the barrel off essentially and that's what the bFA is yeah yeah so funny thing going back or going forward from that exercise. I was actually in BC. And once again, forward observation of an enemy area

with my fire two partner, Shura. And we were there for like three days where the main assault force came in. And for three days, there was a cougar that stalked me and Shura. So we were back to back

awake for 72 hours. Couldn't go to sleep. This thing want to eat us. And we had night vision. We could see it at night. It would try and figure out how to come and get us. and all we had our bayonets fixed on our rifles and we had cleaning rods down our barrels and it was like both the guns were there because you'd be able to fire and then fire.

Meanwhile, the guy would be able to fucking defend off like, you know, what was going. It was crazy. And some guys used to carry live ammunition back in a day and I can see why now. Like I never did. I never had that opportunity. And they did switch it because I remember

doing exercise in Canaanaskus later on when there was a like a big bear threat and they did give us five rounds of live ammo. Yeah. It mixed in like not mixed in but we, when I say mixed in like we never have live ammo with blank ammo ever. So this is

a there's just a safety precaution. A safety precaution. Yeah, yeah, but even still like you always kept those live rounds. How many years were you in the military camp? Seven years. You were in seven. Yeah. When you, you know like Jamie 34, you know, when you guys look back on your experiences,

like, you know, certainly the friendships made, you can see that this weekend. But what's something else that you've pulled out of a career in the military or being, you know, surrounded by the group of people that showed up this weekend? Can I say something about this, dude? Sure. So what he's, what I see he's done, he's taking everything he's learned in the Army, and he's been very entrepreneurial.

in working with native bands across the entire country, or at least Western Canada. And he actually had his own, like, businesses. He would do, like, comedy shows and such. And I didn't really know what he was doing until one day. He's like, hey, listen, I'm shooting a commercial. I got this clothing line, Barricade. What was it called?

Roadblockware. Yeah, roadblock wear clothing line. And I need to do this commercial. Can you set up a fucking Barricade? fucking barricade for me. And I'm like, yes, I can. I just recently took down a mile of fence and it was like a great big ball of wire. And I fucking took my bobcat and I carried this thing down and it's like 25 feet in the

air. It's like 30, 40 feet. Like I just messed this big thing up and I had a couple old cars and I put the cars there and had some garbage like old steel barrels. I fill them with diesel and I lit him on fire and it's like he's got this super hot chick They're doing all these photo shoots things So I'm kind of standing away watching what's going on

For this photo shoot he's doing Meanwhile a good buddy of ours, he and kid Come to my yard because he sees the smoke billowing up You know from my place He comes driving into the driveway and then he stops And I'm like, what the fuck's he stopping over there for? And he gets out of his fucking vehicle He's got his hat

hands in the air. He's walking towards me. I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? And he lifts up his shirt and then he spins around and I'm like, what is he doing? So I start walking over to where this guy, like I'm 200 yards away from him. I start walking over to him and he's standing there and he's like, everything all right? I'm like, yeah, what's the problem? He goes, Sincler, there's a fucking, you got a barricade on your road. there's fucking fire burning. I thought you lost your mind. And I was,

I, when I drove into your yard and I saw that, I figured I can't back up or he's going to shoot me. I got to me, I got to fucking let him know that I'd mean you no harm. And I'm, I'm here to talk to you now because I feel there's no other option. I'm like, no,

fuck, he's shooting a fucking video. I'm just helping him do this fucking commercial for his clothing line. And he's like, oh, thank fuck. So you don't have any guns. No, you're like,

I'm like, no, everything's good. I haven't lost my mind. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. And this barricade was massive. Like, I'm telling you, it was massive. Like, when we did the photo shoot, we had the lighting rate. It was phenomenal.

It looked incredible, right? But that barricade was absolutely huge. So he's done several things. Get into that. Get into the shit you've done, like, outside of the military. Well, like you said, I think the military kind of molded everything. that I've done really at the end of the day just you know with execution plans so on so forth which I found uh and a lot of military folk when they leave the military especially the infantry you kind of

feel like you don't have any skills like it's like what the hell do I know I just know like infantry stuff right uh but that transfer the skills that the intangibles I guess you can say because yes I can't I'm not an electrician I'm not a plumber or something like that right but the intangible skills of you know, using a situation mission execution, general outline service support command and SIGs, your SMESC programs, everything. And even just doing, sending out emails as a sit rep, a situation report,

you know, and just simplifying it into civilian terms, as opposed to the military terms, was very, very helpful in everything I did in the civilian world. But I've done, I've been sales or self-employed for a lot of the times since I got out of the military, did the comedy stuff for shoot about eight years, I guess. So I was part of a group called the Bionic Bannock Boys. And we did two seasons on APTN, actually.

And I really enjoyed that, it's sketch comedy. And the whole premise behind the sketch comedy was just to make fun of indigenous stereotypes. Just stereotypes, period. And that was the fuel behind it all. So that just kind of gradually grew and grew and grew, because it was originally started by another buddy of mine and his professor, assistant professor at the university, when it used to be Saskatchewan Indian Federation College,

now it's First Nation University of Canada. And he wanted to highlight and showcase some of the artists, the poets, the writers, musicians, stuff like that, in the indigenous community. So we'd do these shows, and we'd rent a place and have people show up. and well, we had an issue because everyone would show up late, right? And because they all want to be the headliner, right?

So if I just show up late, if I'm the last one, then I'm the last one, they all want to be the headliner. So we'd have like no one there for the first two hours of our shows, right? So we had to fill it in. So that's when we started doing some sketch comedy. And it was brutal, like when it started off, like people with scripts in their hands out on the stage and really awkward. Everyone just feels uncomfortable watching it because it's so bad.

but it has to start somewhere and it just evolved and evolved and evolved until we had a really tight group the group kind of expanded and contracted this and that because there was no set rules or anything else in the beginning at one point I think we had 15 people involved in our shows doing sketch comedy

we ended up with just the three of us for the most part at the end of the day once we did the TV series on APTN So, but that was a big chunk of my life. Like, this is a record of my life, I guess, when I was doing that. And then we just kind of got busy. And once they took the TV and film credits out of Saskatchewan,

then it was kind of like it just dried up all TV. What do you mean they took it out of Saskatchew? So there used to be a program for task credits to make movies and stuff. And that's why you have Sony movies being made in Toronto and Vancouver, something like that, because there's tax credits. So when American companies come up here, let's say it's a $3 million project. Well, the provincial government will say, okay, if you come here, it'll cost you $3 million, but we'll give you $1 million back to everything,

essentially in a very simplified form. So that's encouraged them to come here as opposed to doing it somewhere in the States. It's way cheaper to do here. So when they instilled that, and most provinces have it. but then when they build the new sound stage everything else from Regina which Marty Klein who you met

he was a big part of that as well getting that started so it was a huge influx of money into the city like huge like there was I was in you know you could work pretty consistently in Regina at that time

on on TV and film so and actually that's where I at Charlize Theron of all people even. So, but I can't take too much credit for it. She was wearing a parka. And all I could see was, I couldn't even see her face or just in this little thing where it was one of the coldest winters we had in Saskatchew and we're shooting a scene out in the Moose Shaw.

And there was a while. There was a year or two, I was either a prisoner or a guard. No matter what it was, I was either a prisoner or a guard or a cop or something like that. And in this situation, I was a guard. so they're interrogating some guy, whatever else. And I hear this voice, whatever else, the director is like, okay, whatever, giving direction on the set and everything else, don't we deal. And then what was freezing, but we weren't supposed to be cold.

So we're just, everyone up, the crew's all in park, is everything else, and we're just wearing clothes that you'd wear it inside without a jack or anything else. So we're just freezing. So when the scenes cut, we jump into the craft services area where it's heated and stuff like that, right? and so this person beside me was grabbing coffee and that and everything else and uh she starts talking i can hear her now because he's right beside me and like oh here's that the sugar or whatever else right and i'm like man that voice is a familiar voice right so i really didn't think anything of it and grabbed this you know to chat a little bit and then she kind of pulls her her hood back and everything

else and it's charlie's there on uh she was actually directing that scene she was a director on that on that film. So it was kind of my brief little interaction with a super haughty with an Uber famous lady. So they took it. Her actual picture is down in the spa down here because this is where she stayed.

And if you go in the spa at the Hotel Saskare, well, they used to, they have a picture of her right in the lobby of the spa. So they took, go back to the question, though, they took the credits away from Saskatchewan and that dried up the film industry. Is that what you were pointing out? Correct. Yeah, because

But they had, we had a significant change in government to the SaaS party, which a big supporter of, just not a supporter of that decision that they made. So, and it just started up. What do you do now then? Right now, I work in oil and gas. I've been doing oil and gas for about 15 years now as a consultant for the most part. But you don't, but no longer comedy shows, no longer TV, like, you know, like, For that to be such a big chunk of your life, do you do anything with it anymore?

We've actually been since December this year, me and Corey Jenner, we've been talking. We kind of got a few things in the hopper type of thing. So I'm not sure 100% where it's going. We kind of had this idea that we'll get some really solid material and do like a New Year's Eve show for next year. But it's one of those, like actually he's out in Scotland, right? now and it's just hard to find the time between everyone and to get it all done so I'm not sure we we have it on the back burner not sure how it was going to go but we've been he's been working on a screenplay for for a feature length which is something that we've discussed a lot of

doing a feature like film but it takes years to develop these things so it's not something that happens overnight and we just kind of started talking about the gain in December January so So I think we'll probably end up doing something again. It's a fun industry, and it's fun in Regina. It's fun in Saskatchewan. I don't think I'd find it fun in L.A. or something like that, where it's all potential. Why is it fun in Saskatchezerun? Like, what do you mean by that?

Because your crew is people you know. Like, Saskatchewan folk are just easygoing, they're friendly. Like on our set, for example, when we did the TV series, like we're so used to doing all the work ourselves like us as the writers and actors uh for our shows because we're you know we do our costumes we do our set design we do like we do it all uh because there's no one else and that's it so then when we did the tv series uh you know especially the first few days like we're holding doors and we're doing stuff that you know uh that you know the grips and stuff would ordinarily be doing and and on union

shoots. Like you can't if you're not qualified to touch that wire, you can't touch that wire. Yeah, yeah. And that's just not how we are. And like on ours, like everyone got paid union rates or something else, but it was very loosey goosey and like the crew still talk about when I see them. It was like, that was the most fun show I ever been on, like worked on. And we would like, and as writers, we just want to have fun. Like that's all we want to do. We want to have fun. So if we had situations where where some of the crew would be asking,

well, hey, have you thought about this? We're like, fuck yeah, it's a great idea. Let's do it. And that makes them excited too. Now they're a part of it. They're a part of the team. Yeah. And that's just how we did it.

And we filmed a few scenes, a lot of scenes actually out at the campground with Jim. Yeah. So we actually have them in one of the scenes there. Yeah. He's like, okay. All right, we're two native guys. We're on your property.

And I want you to come and kick us off your property. I'm like, well, guess what? You guys are native. And this actually is my property. So this will be easy. So they're fucking like, I got, you know, they're like, okay, now let's shoot the scene. And I come over there, I'm like, hey, you fuckers? What do you do?

Get the fuck off my property. And they go look at the fucking film and come back. They're like, you can't be smiling when you're kicking me off your property. I'm like. This big grid on. I'm like, haven't you ever, like, seen me when I fight? I'm smiling when I'm fighting because it's fun. Like, so if I'm, if I look scared of kicking two native guys on my property and I look

like I'm a pussy, you're not going to fucking leave. Like, you got to have a wild-eyed fucking guy that's smiling as he's getting violent with you because that's any way to fucking show that, oh, fuck, maybe this guy's a little too crazy. Maybe we will leave. And so anyways, we did like three or four takes. I can't stop smiling. I just can't do it. And I'm like, this is me.

This is all you got. So Sinclair is actually an actor, is what you're saying. Technically he's an actor. What? I did fucking, well, I did do that thing for fallen heroes. But let me tell you a cool thing about this, dude. So Willie McDonald, fucking, for my departure with dignity, it was never going to happen, right? But he's like, fuck that.

I'm going to make this fucking happen. So he gets Keon. as is if I can help her. And these two guys put this whole thing together that you got to experience and I don't know what you're thinking of that. But yeah, just to interrupt for a sec, like this entire weekend has been something.

You know, like I wish Mel could have come along is probably the only thing, you know? Like, but other than that, like, I've said this, this will be the third time I say it, probably on consecutive military roundtables, is the group of people that showed up here was something special and I mean they all showed up for you and I know there's more to it because everybody knows each other but it was a very welcoming like you're a part of the team type group and

you just don't stumble into that every time and then just the way that everything flowed yesterday um yeah I don't know to a civilian getting to um see how they uh honor one of their members retiring it was it was super cool well so let me get into this so now these guys are are putting this all together. They're phone calling. They're emailing. They're getting all the stuff from the government and they're making it happen, right?

I'm oblivious to this. So, um, Keon's like, okay, I need some pictures. I need some information, you know. So I get all this stuff and I send it to Keon. He's got this great lady that does, um, what do you call it? A graphic artist.

Her name's Mel. She fucking lives in. She's the one that made the pamphlet thingy. Pathlet or whatever. Man, like, insane. Insane. Like, nice. Would you just to pump her tires, would you be able to put a picture of that up on your thing somewhere?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Because, so anyways, these guys knock it out of the park with that stuff. The other part was tying up all the loose ends, like, where the venue is, usually it's done in the military thing, said, you guys can't do it there. So we went elsewhere, which was better. So the room that we were in that I booked, I'm like, okay, I want no fucking tables in here. We're all going to be standing and the food will be in another fucking room that you've got to go through these doors and blah, blah, blah. I thought it was a great idea.

I thought it was a fucking perfect plan. So anyways, Keon, being Keon, he fucking is like, okay, I'm going to check out the venue, see what's going on here. And he meets up with the head person. And he's like, okay, so what does Sinclair tell you? He says nothing in here. Food's over there. He's like, no. No, we're not doing that.

We need these small tables here. We need tables there. Fucking food's going to be right here. And he makes it. He just fucking does it, right? Because he, this is what he does and he's fucking awesome at it. So anyways, he gives me this phone call. And, you know, I'm pretty confident.

I'm very sometimes, like, I can be a little standoffish on certain things. so I'm hearing him out. He's like, Sinclair, your fucking plan was garbage. This is what we're doing and this is how we're doing it. And I'm doing you a solid because he knows that I'm going to have some pushback.

So I think to myself, I'm like, you know what? Fucking Keon knows what he's fucking doing. Trust him and go with it. And look how fucking awesome it was. Like the whole thing, nailed it. So getting back into last night,

what happened, Keon, that fucking. bus we were in. Like the driver, I swear to God, I think he thought he was in a bumper car fucking thing. Like it was an Austin Power's 45 fucking point turn to get.

So for the listener, we're coming down the back alley of the hotel. I have no idea. They had the windows back down. And everyone's like, everyone at the front of the bus is like he can't make that corner. He can't like, he literally needs to back up right now. Everyone's staring at it going, he can't make that corner. He can't

make that corner. And he keeps inching towards it. We're like, he's going to try and make the corner, but he's not going to be able to make it, right? And he scrapes the side of the bus. We're in the back of the bus and I'm like, what the fuck is he running over? Like, I swear to God, the guy's unemployed right now. There's no fucking way that he turned that bus into his boss and he kept this job. Like, I think he tore half the fucking wheel fender off the fucking bus. I'm surprised we didn't get a flat fucking tire. Well, and the other thing, too, is that we're driving through when we were driving. Like, in my opinion, Wisconsin Park is one of the most beautiful parks in the world. I love it. I actually go through the park. I drive through the park or run through the park or walk through the park at least once a day. Love it because I live very close to it.

And all the windows are blacked out. It's the most beautiful park in the, like I said, and all the windows are all blacked out. You wouldn't have been able to see anything anyway. He was doing about 80 mile an hour through the fucking park. I swear to God for a run fucking two weeks. wheels. Good thing I'm fucking, uh, I can stand and drink and fucking keep my beer from smelling from being in the country, many fucking, no, it was insane. But I tell you what, that added to the whole fucking event, right? It did add to the experience. It was great. It was

awesome. Yeah. So, so on my side of things, Keanu, like, I can't thank you and Willie enough for like everything you did. Like, it was a success. And people loved it. And it's because of two guys. and it's you and fucking willy and so thank you for doing that for me brother our pleasure it wasn't like i was excited for it so it didn't feel like work or anything else it was fun right it was fun yeah but you took time of your day and you went and fucking did the shit you had to do and like you put a lot into it and i really thank you for and for the audience the the insert or the the i mean what to call it brochure program let's call it is beautiful like i don't say that i don't say that uh just to pump its tires like i i looked at i'm like holy crap that

That's nice. Like that's like probably the nicest program I've ever seen my life, you know? Like so the first part of that. Which is this is crazy out what she can do. So there was a time when I was in Africa, a pack of wild dogs almost a me. Very traumatic part of my life. Yeah. Yeah.

You got you got a pack of wild dogs almost, you know, like, I'm doing private security. It's a long story. But let me just talk. Let me talk about this card first. So I get this card. and there's like this fucking guy in the front of the card and man I know that fucking face right so

and then I see that like there's a dog and there's a fucking baboon there which is another fucking story from Africa and then there's a picture of me on top of burning school where they killed some kids and and it was a very important day of my life and that pitcher means a lot to me and then on the back it's got like you know it's basically a hockey card with my stats on it

I'm like, fuck. Like, I love what, what this picture is, but I don't understand it. So I phone him, I like, Guillon, what's this fucking, what's this thing about? And he goes, well, fucking, that pitcher is actually you. And she superimposed a beard on you and a ball cap to make it look like you and private security overseas. I'm like, well, I love it, but I'm retiring from the Army. And when I was doing private security stuff, it wasn't. sanctioned by the Canadian Armed Forces or by the Canadian government.

So I don't think I shouldn't mix those two parts of my life into this. I'd like to just keep it as Army. So that's all the card ended up being, you know, the picture of me on that burning school and so on and so forth. But this stuff that this woman can do. And the reason why I recognize that picture is because it was fucking me. But she put a, it looks like a real thing. It can't tell that she put a beard on me and such.

And the other thing she did, too, she went on Facebook and did some Facebook trolling of them. And basically, like, that's a whole new post. Like, it was like she created this version of Jim. Like, it was literally, she just made it. It was phenomenal. It was phenomenal. Because I saw it too. I'm looking at it.

I was like, who's this guy? I said, he looks familiar. Like, like Jim said, it looks familiar. And then she goes, well, she goes, I had some fun. She says, I'm not sure if you guys like her or not. And I looked at it. I said, well, it's cool. I said, but it's, you know, it's not him.

So when I was over in Afghanistan, or not Afghanistan, when I was, well, both Afghanistan and Africa, when I did private security there, I would grow my beard out. And I'm bald on top of my head, but my hair would grow out and it's curly. But it's red. Like I got fucking blonde hair and a red beard. And my beard had a white stripe down the middle of it. So I'm like, fuck, I can't find that. picture and I'll send it to her and I'll like just so how close she was if she would have put my

beard as red with that white stripe down the middle would have been me fucking 37 well hats off to her because the reason I bring it up is because I just pulled it I just grabbed one and I'm like staring at it right now and I'm just super impressed with the detail of it right um yeah just super impressed with the detail now you have to tell me how you almost died by a pack of dogs you're not you're not skating by this one. Well, but we got fucking great fucking warrior

Kian Femont here. You're going to try and... You got to tell the dogs. All right, everybody gather in, gathering, gather in, crisscross applesauze. It's fucking story time.

Story time with Jamie Sinclair. So I'm in Africa. I've been working in on the border of Angola, Zambia for four months. Doing a diamond trade with the Angolan Rebel. and Sabima was assassinated.

The group of South Africans I was working for at the time phoned me up on the sat phone and said, it's time for you to get the fuck out of Zambia because there's no more support for you. So I have no way of funding what I was doing there. So on my way out, everything's by foot. The government controls movement in that area through a series of bridges that are connected to the Zambor.

Zambizi River and and I had to have an exit plan that I installed prior getting it that far north into Zambia. I always had a reason to leave the area, which the officials would let me leave as long as I was paying the money and such. And I knew there'd be no more money to pay these guys for my visas and stuff that they, that I would have to purchase monthly from them to carry on work there. It's like a work visa. Really it was extortion. But it was like, that's just how Africa works. So I executed my plan for extraction, told them the story about a general from the rebel army out of Angola. She lives in this refugee camp, which everybody knew, and she would trade diamonds to have money to support her family and her people that are in this refugee

camp. So that was my way to get out of the very northern part of Zambia and get in back to Lusaka. So on the way, as I'm moving through this area, I now have to transition from the person that was up in northern Zambia. I got to shave my fucking beard. I got to put on different clothing and change my look, right? Because as you get into the central part of Zambia, there's actually oil, there's mining and shit like that. It's more secure. And there's basically, there's white people there. How far are you walking? Like how long of a trip is this from the north to the... It's from Jimby where I did a lot of my working

to get down to... I forget with a Minalunga or some fucking town. I forget the name of it. But it takes time. Like there's a... They had a land rover vehicle there that would... On some roads they could drive this land rover for cargo. A lot of movement was done by foot or by bike.

So, but I just can't up and run and fucking leave because they'll be like, they're now going to hold me or detain me to extort whoever I'm working for to get more money to keep me alive. But there'd be no money coming, right? So I have to fucking get out of there. So I have to do this strategically and bold and like not show that I'm, that I'm, you know, leaving. I have to have contingency plans. And the guys that I had working for me there had five. Zambians that were my main interpreters and my navigators and stuff to get through the jungle passes. I made sure that when I left there was sufficient supplies and money that

they would have something for however long until it was gone, but I just didn't leave them high and dry, which was important to me. And there's a reason why I survived. So Africa almost took my life because I became very sick. had bugs living under my skin. I had a thorn in my finger, which was infected somehow, and I got blood poisoning at a temperature of 106. And I had to go from Jimby down to Minolunga, where they had this doctor without borders there. And he saved my life. At the same time, he hated me because mercenaries in that area were the reason why his fucking mash harvestfuls full of Angolan rebels with holes in them and shit. And, and, and, and, and, and,

And, you know, there's sick people here. Like, I felt guilty even being there. But if it wasn't for this guy, Jackson, I never would have made it back there. I would have died in the bush. Jackson kept me going with sugar cane and stuff like that. We marched through the night. You never walk a night because of the snakes and such in the area. But he got me to this hospital.

And thank God he did her. I would have fucking died in Zambia. So I made sure I did whatever I could for him. and his family and the other four guys that was working with us. So as I left, now I'm going through this village. I have no idea what it is. It's fucking dark as fuck. And I'm walking down this alley.

And in this particular town, the mud walls are four or five feet high in the air. And then on the tops, he got thorn bushes stuck into the mud. So it's like a wire fence and rickety gates and all these little compounds. But the alleys are literally 10 feet apart, if that may be seven and something. areas. And there's a sewer trench in the middle of the road and, you know, they wash their mud little huts into these things and then water washes the dirt and shit away, right? So I got a headlamp on and I'm walking down this path, this trail and I got a, my pack has got to be 100 pounds. For weapons, I had a World War I trench knife, which I still got

with the brass knuckles on it. I got an 80,000 volt taser. that looks like two knife tips sticking out. When you hit a button, it's like it looks like a welding arc. It's how powerful it was. And it stuck into my web or my, you know, the pardon part of my rucksack has a big thick web belt, right, for support. Anyways, as I'm walking down this path, I hear this fucking thudding, right? So I, my headlap on, I look down the street and this alleyway

and there's nothing but eyeballs and teeth. It's a pack of wild dogs. At night the dogs come into the village and they fucking eat or take whatever they can, right? That's why these villagers, they have the mud, like, you don't just have mud hats like in normal African villages. They got mud walls

because there's dogs in this area. These dogs are big. They're an African wild dog. Like you'd find in wild dogs that are in Saskatchewan or other places, they're just there. So I turn to run because I'm fucking scared And as I go to turn

I almost trip in this sewer trench And I realize they're gonna eat me alive if I try I'm gonna fall So now I have to face it So I pull up my trench knife and I pull out this fucking taser And it's just like when you learn to shoot and move Like your feet do certain sliding movements so you don't fall And if you hit a rock or whatever you know how to So through my training from gunfighter,

I'm now sliding my feedback. I got my pack on it, and I'm stabbing, zapping these fucking dogs. And thank fuck that the alley wasn't any wider they would have got around me. And I, I, this discerns me. How many dogs are you talking? I don't know.

Fucking 10, 15. It was insane. It was so ferocious and wild in my headlamps, showing what's in front of me. And I fucking wound a couple of years. dogs bad enough that they start eating their own dogs which got gave me time to get the fuck out of there huh you're I'm fucking swaggery though he got me all worked up anyways so

like even to this day if I'm if I'm around a dog and it it's like it shows aggression I get amped up and this is a terrible story but it's true my ex-wife's dog was this great big boxer and my niece was working in the garden and I got in between this dog and myself and it attacked me and I beat the dog to death like with with a piece of fucking pipe I had by my house and it's a terrible story but you it like as it came at me all I just fought I fought the dog I killed it and I feel so fucking terrible for it which is another story is I lied to my wife I told her ran away. So for two years she was looking for this fucking dog. And finally one day she goes,

okay, what happened to my dog? I'm like, I'm married. I'm married her now. And I'm like, all right, I'll tell you the truth. So I told her truth. And she's like, you fucking asshole. Because people had phoned in and they'd be like, yeah, I think I seen your dog on the one path. And she'd get her friends and go look for this fucking dog. So anyways, I killed and I buried it. I know much dead it didn't dig its way out of that hole. So yeah, I feel bad. I'm sorry Lisa, I didn't mean to kill your dog, but I tried to eat me.

I had to defend myself. So I traumatized my niece. I told her, don't ever fucking tell anybody what you just witnessed. And yeah, but anyways, I did that. So anyways, this dog fucking, these dogs were gonna eat me and so I got out of there and that was the dog part of it.

And yeah, it was just a crazy. It was just a crazy fucking time of my life. And that's behind me now. I'm a better man. I love animals. I'm an animal lover. I got dogs. So don't think I'm a bad person.

I don't think anyone's going to think you're a bad person for being attacked by a bunch of wild dogs that are trying to eat you. My wife's dog wasn't wild. It was just, it wanted to protect my niece. And I got in between it. And when it attacked me, it was a big fucking dog. And it didn't really know me. It was like day two in our dog, human relationship. And the dog didn't like me anyway because I was, you know,

because it could sense that you had beaten on dogs before. Because of my wife, right? Like the dog was protected to her. So, yeah. Anyways, sorry, Lisa. I don't know where we go from that. So. There's another part of that, though, where you got to stay in the church there too.

Oh, yeah. So that's where I knew that I was going to make it out of and I was going to survive, right? So when I'm in the church, I get this fucking big beard now. And I had a tooth that was knocked out when I was younger. And so that tooth, now I can put a tooth back in my mouth, which changes what I look like, because they don't have fucking fake teeth in Africa. And also I shaved my beard off.

And I got a fucking haircut from the fucking nun place that I was in. They had a guy in there, from gardening to cutting hair with scissors. I got this guy to cut my hair. Where you're leaving from? Yeah. I'm trying to, like I'm trying to understand Jamie.

You're altering your entire parents because you're worried if they capture you that's the end of it. Well, the, where the government people that I was dealing with in Northern Zambi, now I'm like one bound closer to Lasaka. So now it's

like a normal like a normal part of the world. Like there's like I said There's oil industry. But you're not putting you're not cutting your beard Because it's normal you're cutting your beard So that people won't recognize you Right?

You're changing your appearance I'm looking like one of them now Right I'm not looking like I just lived in the fucking bush For four months and I'm like You know there's a certain look that That is a chair and I was called And the reason you're doing that is because if they Now I look like you guys

That would be in the area You're not going to stand out. I'm not standing out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you didn't want to stand up, correct? No, I didn't want to stand out. Because in the, in the African bush, like the, like, they can, like, if they want to find me or look for me, they would, it's, it's crazy how they do it. They call it the African telephone.

Like, I don't know how they get messages out or passed down and it's done word of mouth. And it's very efficient and effective. Like, they can, they can get messages through their, through their areas very efficiently. just but I wore them out. And it'd be like, yeah, we're looking for a guy with no tooth and big beard and, you know, curly hair and wearing this ball cap and these kind of boots. And so now you put on a plaid shirt, you gave yourself a haircut, a shave, you put your tooth back in.

I went to this, like they got little pubs. Like it's just like you stand on the street, but you can buy a beer. So they had rhino beer there. Fucking awesome beer, by the way. And they had this rhino t-shirt. So it was like a red t-shirt with a rhino on the front of it, a black rhino with a white symbol around it. I bought the fucking t-shirt. You know, so now I'm not wearing like a, I'd wear a military-style shirt when I was there.

And I had military-style pets. Now I buy a rare blue jeans for fucking five bucks and I got fucking, I still had the same boots on. But now I look like one of the, they have Australian rigors there that were working there. I looked like one of them. I'd go fucking eat steak at the. fucking place and like I made friends of these guys and now I'm eating good food and you know I'm not I had to eat bugs when I was in Zambia there's no food up there so we'd eat caterpillars and fucking maze we'd pound up maze and yeah so I could now I'm going to survive from this point on and you know the adventure to get through like in in Zimbabwe they were killing farmers and shit like that so that was an adventure get through Zimbabwe. Once I got to South Africa, I had money and things I could survive with, right? And there was no threat from anybody in that country towards me or what I was doing.

And then I made it back to Canada and such, but it was a journey. It was funny. All the skills, the biggest thing that kept me alive is that I followed the golden rule and I treated people the way I wanted to be treated back. Jackson's wife had a child that was going to die from malaria. I spent the money with that doctor that saved my life. I gave him money for malaria pills and stuff to save that little girl's life. And I gave Jackson's wife a mosquito net that would go over a bed, but it fit in her mud hut perfectly. So her children would be in there and that night they wouldn't get bit by mosquitoes. Like Jackson would jump in front of a truck for me because of what I did for his family. And I did that because I'm a Canadian and I would hope that somebody would

do that for my children if I was in that situation. It was just everything, you know, that I get upset about is when children are involved, right? And so that was how it was raised. I helped. And when it seems like nothing to me to do that, but in Africa, it's like you doggy doddy dot there, like you take care of yourself because you don't know where your next meal is and such. So it's different there it's just their way of life right you bring up kids and i always get allergies oh my god so anyways that that's a that's a that's a that whole thing is like a fucking four-hour conversation and i don't want to get into it anymore because i have some good drinking around the fire at those yeah i want to talk about this man right here like it's fucking yeah forgive me uh i hate to

point it out but you know the emotions around children is there but is is there is there is there is their story there or is it just just you know what once I had my daughter I turned into a freaking crybaby I can understand Disney movies fuck you name it not anything that does with any with kids just yeah once I had my daughter everything just changed 100% because I didn't I was the youngest for the most part in my family but even with my extended family I was basically the youngest all time so I was never around little kids so I actually felt very uncomfortable around kids until I had my daughter and then everything just changed

like everything just changed when came to kids. This guy's 220 pounds of salt I know. But he's a fucking inside he's a beautiful year. But I understand what he means when he says

you know everything changes when you have your first kid right? I got three young ones and like things just change immediately. And it doesn't matter how many times you hear it you know

until you have your own you just don't understand 100% 100%. Yeah I was once I had her just like holy someone I think this changed.

Well, even still, like with, like with the journey of all of our friendships, because there was, when I first got out of the military, I moved back to Regina a couple years after that, but I was in Calgary, and that's when the transition to Edmonton was happening. So when I was getting out, everyone was leaving. So it was kind of like, I'm in Calgary where there's no one here anymore.

So I lost touch, I basically lost touch with the guys for, I'd say easily 10 years after I got out and then just happened to see I don't know I think I just happened to see Will somewhere and then just reconnected but yeah it was interesting because with army folk and I'm sure even with hockey like yourself and you build that camarader and something like that you don't you don't need to see someone for 15 20 years to be right back where you were right like with with Ian Green. I haven't seen Ian Green in 30 years. Yeah.

And it was at first, I didn't recognize the guy because he's, well, he's got beard and everything else. And when I saw him, we're just kids, right?

So, uh, but yeah, no, saw him and right back, we're talking about courses we did our 6A course. And,

uh, it was just like nothing changed. Like it's just nothing changes, right? So, and the important part though, Kian is like, you're totally right about being able

reconnect but the shitty fucking thing is that what we're learning now is when you're isolated and you have no camaraderie that's there it it fucks are the union you don't even know it till till later like it's so important and that and that's why we do uh the roundup out of Regina beach we have fucking every type like from a volunteer fireman to uh jtf2 guys that come there and they're around uh people the same cloth And they can either talk or they don't have to talk, but it's, you're, you're surrounded by by people that, that will understand if you want to talk to them and you feel comfortable. And the dark humor.

Oh, yeah. Right? The dark humor is just something that really bonds everything. Yeah. So, so once, you know, and even when you were doing your movie shoots or whatever and, and seeing you and being with you, like, I missed that. You know, it was important for me to have that connection with. too, right?

Like, it was fucking, so I always considered you a fucking good brother and a fucking... Same back at your brother. So it, like now as we're getting older, it's like fucking these things we're doing are so important. So important, but also we're more,

now that we're getting older, we're taking more of an active role in making sure these things happen. Like, you know what I mean? Like we're doing those efforts to make sure we're reaching out to the other guys, right? So, because yeah, you don't want to be isolated. Yeah.

Well, like keep brass. He just lives north of here To see the guy like three, four times a year But every time I see him I fucking takes me back to being in Weaponsdale with him And the shenanigans we'd fucking get up to you And like just a fucking beautiful man And great fucking soldier

Big smile out of his face up there Never not smiling Yeah Awesome fucking dude And getting back to it all And the thing about kids being involved And I was fucking crying like a ball baby last night. I don't know if you understood what I was trying to say at the end of it all.

And as a retired guy or we're not involved directly with the military now, I really feel that we have a responsibility to do small little things in our communities. No matter what is, you know, you're working with Aboriginal people or fucking people in your, on your block. And the same with me. If we all all do that small, one small little thing to make your, your, uh, your house better or your, or your community better. And everybody does that. It becomes infectious. And it just, in, in this chaotic time of government, we are doing little things in our community that, that are bringing us together and making us stronger. And we'll, we get through these fucking crazy times. And at the end of the day, like as we get older, if we don't do this,

what are we leaving our fucking children and and we this is the time where we can't sit back and go I did my bit I'm just going to fucking glide it out from now no it's I feel like we're in a back check situation we've got to

fucking put her head down and fucking skate hard and um because there's only so much time for us left and and it's critical that we all find a way to do something very small because it all adds up into a bigger thing.

The golden rule, you just been mentioned, right? Yeah, absolutely. And if it's just that, that's something. All men, I think, should take those words to heart. Because, you know, like it doesn't have to be this giant thing just by, you know, taking care of your own stuff, then your family. And then maybe a little bit, you can, maybe it's your neighbors.

It doesn't have to be this giant thing. you know you think if everybody started doing that the sense of community would wouldn't be far behind like it would uh that that's what i found last night you know when you put it that way is uh is the community you guys have built that has come from all over and and the thing about hockey or military or there's probably have some other people talk in their own ways you create those those friendships under stress right and the pressure cooker and then when you go on with the rest of your life coming back you already know what the person's made of right like it's you just walk in and it's like there's the guy right well and and the other thing is and and uh I I really think we need fucking men to be fucking men again well yes like and you know we need to have a connection with something better

right um you know native culture goes back to to your gods and and I have a fucking god and and to be able to embrace that without feeling persecuted or whatever, and accepting something bigger than you into your life, that's important. And we've strayed away from, like,

what Trudeau did when he wrote the Bill of Charter of Rights is he took God out of the Bill of Charter of Rights, so government is above all. And if you don't believe in God or you do, at least if God was still part of our government system where government still has to answer to God, we'd be able to have ownership with stuff that the government can't take from us because it's a God-given right for us to be free.

And we're all born fucking free. So when government takes God out of the picture, if you believe in God or not, it's still there to protect you as a human being. And we got a fucking, like that bill of charter rights, that's a Trojan horse. Trudeau knew exactly what he was fucking writing in there. And he knew by the non-withstanding clause.

is that there's a way for the government to get through anything. Like, I love the guy that wrote it. I don't think he understood, like, maybe he does now. The weaknesses in the bill of charter rates. In my mind, it should go right in the fucking garbage. And we start with what we had before the bill of charter rights where God was above government. So I don't mean to offend him.

He's a great man. Yeah, I know. That's what I see as a weakness in our, You go back to one of your original statements and men need to be men. And it's like, yes. And the thing with the military and hockey does a good job of this too is it's a culture where you keep the entire group a part of it. So if you're retired, at least what it looked like to me last night, I know certainly with NHL teams, what they do is they have alumni around the team, right? they become part of the core and they pass on knowledge and wisdom and everything else.

That's not some random idea. That's a very powerful idea. That's why you want to be around, you know, that's why you want the elders to be around, right? Your grandparents and different people, different men in my case, to take some of their wisdom and put it into your life because they've lived it. And when you have culture do that and put importance on, not just the youth,

not just the middle-aged man, but the elderly as well. keep them involved. You get a healthy look at what society can be. Because we all have play our part in and where this goes. It isn't just if you're 22 years old, this is on you. No, this is on us all. And we all have to start pulling our way again. And that's going to take and continues to take a lot of work. And in here, this room this weekend, I've got to see a group of men all say similar things through three different podcasts. To be very frank, I think there's a, there's been a lot of wisdom shared sitting in in this room this weekend.

Well, one thing I want to mention is about my kids last night. So I believe in leadership from the front. And he's Denioski, Cliff Walker, you know, fucking from the front, right? Absolutely. So there was a comment made to me by a good friend of mine last night and they're like, you know what, you should have had Cannon go last. I go, no, because I'm teaching. my kids lead from the front

so Cannon being the leader and then Georgia and then Mac great so that's important like you you've got to step forward and lead the way your kids did a great job last night by the way outstanding job yeah

outstanding job yeah you should be very proud Jamie you should be very proud of what you've got going on there because they did yeah it was awesome any final thoughts here before we close up the weekend for the listener, for, you know, the weekend for anything. If there's a final thought you have for the listener, I appreciate you inviting me and

twisting for, I'll say it one last time, you know, to the audience. I probably turned this down like three times. I just can't. It's Mother's Day, I can't. I can't. I can't. Maybe I can't. I can't.

And I'm sure Mel laughed at me as I was delibering on whether to come, but I'm glad I, I'm glad you pulled on me to come. and hopefully the audience enjoys, you know, as they get to listen to the three different military roundtables, they find some wisdom or maybe some thoughts that they hadn't heard. But either way, I just want to say thanks again for bringing me here and making sure that I answered the call and came and got to experience a bit of your life

and the people that surrounded it. That's my final thought. I'll pass it over to you, too. Sure. Actually, one thing I would like to bring up, and as an indigenous soldier, you know, there's a fair amount of us in the military or has been and still is and is growing. But indigenous people have a phenomenal history in stepping up when it's required.

In Saskatch in particular with indigenous people as veterans on landing on D-Day, on Juneau Beach, for example, there's one community that had 40 indigenous members landing that day. So there is a big history with that. And I've been asked a number of times by other people, oh, like, what's it like being in the infantry as an indigenous person? I'm like, well, I don't even understand your question. What do you mean? He says, well, what about all the racism and stuff?

And I'm like, you got it wrong. Like, there's no, I personally never saw racism in the military. we're all treated the exact same way. We're fucking brothers. We're all brothers. We're all green type of anything, right? And I never felt that there was any races whatsoever. And it doesn't mean that there wasn't indigenous things set at me.

But the Ukrainian guy would have Ukrainian things set about them, whatever. It didn't matter what you were. You know, things were thrown out at you. If you're not getting slagged, when you open your eyes, when you open your eyes and somebody sees you, if somebody's not calling you down, you did something. what they fucking hate you. That was coming here, that was one of the things that was very apparent to me immediately is you got throwing things at you right as you walked in the door.

Nobody knew who I was and they were throwing it and they didn't stop throwing it all weekend. That was a ton of fun. Yeah. So I think, you know what, with the military and the infantry as an indigenous soldier, 100% equal opportunity, I never felt that there was anything. No one looked at me any differently and I didn't look at anyone any differently. We all were green. We all did dumb things.

we all had great laughs and, you know, look forward to our leave and to get in trouble with each other and get crazy. So, but no, that's just something I wanted to say because it's something that has been brought up a number of times with people asking me about my time in the military. And it was always good. It was always, it was, and I don't think myself as a big, long military career because I didn't have like 34 plus years like Jim and, and like Will and all them with all that time in

but it's that brotherhood that is there through those those trying times like it surpasses any distance or any time so there's my there's no way I want to add anything else that what you just said there right now is fucking beautiful and and um I'm glad you said that thank you Keanu and uh that's the message that should end with

Well, we got one final thing that Sean almost forgot. And if you give me one moment here, folks. Geez, if that table was any higher, I would think you were doing something else. Oh, and that the VP flag you have in your... Yes, that's where it came from. It came from this guy. Right here. I'm bringing it back.

to you because we're going to get them big flags. So everyone, this is new. Oh, outstanding. So everyone who comes in, now this isn't the traditional studio. So, but the way it works is anyone who travels to Lloyd

and sits in the studio in person gets a silver one ounce coin. And I almost forgot it and I would have heard nothing of the end when you were listening to the other guys and they all got their one ounce coin. So thanks for joining me in here. It's one of the things we do. Silver Gold Bull gives out one ounce silver coin.

to anyone who steps in the ring or steps in the studio. And, you know, I can't add any words to Keyons, but I can't add a silver coin to your pocket. And I'm not sure if either one of you are collectors or, you know, I assume you both know the significance of silver. So I appreciate you coming in and doing this, and that's one way to send you both off on the weekend on a great weekend.