Shaun Newman Podcast - #647 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer #13

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

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All right, let's get on to that. Tale of the tape. The first is a former research chemist, amateur dairy-go farmer, libertarian and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He also hosts the Gold, Goats and Guns podcast. The second, a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author, and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Kramer. So buckle up.

Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Tom Longo, Alex Kramer. The 13th installment of you two coming on, if you can believe that. So it's been roughly a year since you first grace the podcast. together and it's I was saying it Tom before we started it feels like it's been a long time mainly from the podcast standpoint because obviously you guys were here just a little under a month ago actually almost bang on a month ago but we didn't we haven't released that I've got people

hassling me about the video and the audio from YouTube being in Lloydminster and I'm like well it's coming out very soon and I guess that's probably where the where it feels like it's been a wild boys but it actually hasn't been that long anyways how is everybody doing this Forno. Everybody's doing fine. I'm hoping that the, I'm hoping that the, the, the starlink holds up. That's all I'm hoping for. Because you just got really weird for a second there.

Sean, I was like, oh, wow. So you were like a refugee from an early George Lucas film. Like, it was hilarious, but, you know, fun. I, on my end, my direct connection cord broke, my internet cord. And so I'm going off good old Wi-Fi this morning. too so that could be me as well tom so you never know um we got i don't know no well we we just got i'm like i don't even know where to start right we got an iranian president dead we got russia ukraine sitting there as always you got israel palestine doing its things you got close schwab

stepping down from from uh davos you're like okay you got the w h o pandemic treaty uh negotiators failed to draft it okay um i don't know you still got the election you got you got so many things going on i'm like i don't know where do tom and alex want to start because i feel like i'm back to like episode two when i had you on and i was like well here here here's this like sandwich although it doesn't feel like it's completely shit this morning you know like uh i think there's a couple of good things in there you're going to probably find ways to tell me that i'm completely full of it this morning tom but that's okay i'm quite all right with that why would i why would i think that i Oh, no, I think the, I think the, we've hit the acceleration curve, right?

We've hit the, you know, things like, and then they start to do this, right? And I think in terms of the whole, like, what do you want to call, the big, you know, globalist project management thing that they've been doing, I think they've hit that, that curve because they know that they've run out of, I've said this before, they've run out of just time that the, all the cross currents that Alex and I talk about whenever we got on a show. together about, you know, the countervailing forces of normal people just looking at them going, no, this is wrong and we don't want to do this. That puts counter pressure on them. And they understand that at some point they have to keep putting that, they have to keep upping the stakes of putting more pressure. And then we say no more. And then they say yes, harder. And that just continues to ramp up the pressure. And given the compressed now time frame that we're in, which is, We have the election coming up.

Ukraine is running out of young men to throw into the meat grinder. Gadi, yada, yada. The financial system is on the verge of, it's just below the surface, is on the verge of collapse, blah. All of those things are all coming together at once, and they need, and none of their projects, none of their, the pieces of the projects, none of them are complete yet.

None of them are in place. They haven't won on any of these fronts. And so they are now feeling it in every way. they have to accelerate on every other front. And that's where we are, right? So they can't get Victor Orban, for example, to knuckle under in Hungary. So when the Slovach elect Robert Fico and Fico starts to join Orban and as a populist-Slavic uprising against, you know,

Eastern European uprising against the European Union, they got to shoot Fico. Okay. at the same time that they're pushing for an anti-engi-o law through in Georgia, now they've got to openly and proudly threaten him, like the prime minister and other ministers, with being whacked if they go along with this, because, you know, it's bad for democracy. Like, this is where we are with these people.

And now they're, like, openly justifying whacking heads of state to, you know, to affect their globalist. shitbag system. I'm like, huh, okay, yeah. Tell me more. Like, this is, I think, where we are. And I think that that's what you're feeling, John. And I'm almost positive. Alex feels the same way. So Alex, take it away and, you know, tell me on. Absolutely. Absolutely. I agree with everything you said. And I was on the podcast a few days ago last week at some point, I forget, but it was, you know, I was doing my usual optimistic things because I'm genuinely optimistic about the state of things and they were not quite buying it, you know, they were like, oh, you know, like I see what you're saying,

but, well, it said like maybe, maybe I'll change my mind if the pandemic treaty doesn't pass next week. And there you go. It didn't. And it didn't pass. But on that count, I have to say, I'm very disappointed because, you know, these viruses are terrible things. And I think I've heard World Health Organization expert talking about these viruses jumping from horses to humans or cows. I don't know. But now it looks like we have jumping viruses. And I don't know what that is. But maybe, I don't know, maybe they have like the fleas.

They have some kind of like a catapult mechanism. They can jump from stuff onto you. And dude, that sounds very dangerous. If World Health Organization can protect us, we. are in trouble we're all in this together people bad jokes like that alex are so much better with an eastern european accent i just have to say because when i do that shit it really doesn't work right i try that i try that stand-up routine and i'm like yeah no dude you just sound like an asshole when you do it it's fucking hilarious so you know well done you know when i first saw a close

you guys thought i was joking you know just do away just Just you wait until one of these viruses jumps on you. Okay. I'm ready for it. Kameen will lick them off of me. That's my dog, by the way. And I'm just going down the rabbit hole. Now it's just going to get worse and worse and worse.

I can't be a can't diggers. When you're in a hole, stop digging. You know, you two have been telling me this for the previous 12th. You know, like you were talking about how it's speeding up, Tom. You've been saying that for, you know, and at times I'm just like, I'm sure lots of people like, uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah, it's speeding up. But right now it feels like, you know, I don't know.

I missed like the assassination attempts on a multiple world leaders. It wasn't just the Iranian resident dying in a helicopter crash, you know, in a storm. And maybe it was just the storm and you're like, uh-huh. No, apparently there was no storm. Apparently there was no storm. The fog came afterwards. And apparently they flew in clear. weather.

Yeah. So it's just, we're just getting closer and closer to they, they, they, they knocked them out of the sky. Correct? They just, they did whack people now. We're, I mean, look, it's just become the sopranos. Yes. But, you know, but government is always, but governments have always been just fighting fighting mom.

There was a coup attempt in Niger as well, which failed. And there was a coup attempt in Congo, which also failed led by. Yep. CIA and my six people, they go, they go busted. There was apparently an attempt on MBS that failed as well. Oh, is that right? Yeah, I saw that one too. I don't know.

I just saw like, oh, apparently there might have been a thing. Yeah, so they tried to take a pot shot at MBS and he told everybody, yeah, that didn't work. I'm so alive. Why Congo? Like, why there? Why would that be of note? Like, why would they be, you know, why? I'm going to guess because I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that my guess is going to be correct.

Because it's, you know, like, as we've established for a little while here, that this is all about collateral. And so I would, I expect that the government in power now wants to use their resources for the benefit of Congo, or maybe for the benefit of themselves and their cronies. and somehow they're at odds with whoever things that they have hold on these resources. And so, you know, like with Patrice Lumumba, you know, he was democratically elected. He came to power. He wanted to nationalize Congolese natural resources. And then the Belgium Secret Service and the CIA sent Assassin Squad there, and they whacked him. and they installed Joseph Mobutu.

And Joseph Mobutu ruled Congo for the next few decades completely on behalf of the Western financial interests. Didn't invest a penny into Congo, social services, infrastructure, nothing. He bought himself a bunch of palaces in the south of France and elsewhere in yachts and lived like an emperor. But the West loved him because. as you know, Congolese resources were our resources. So if they want to whack somebody, it's because it's, you know, they have their own ideas about what they want to do with their natural wealth in their country. Yes. I mean, in general, that's exactly what we're talking about here.

It's, you know, there's a reason why there's, you know, there's the CFA Frank and it's used across 14 different countries in the Sahel region, Africa. There's a reason why, you know, Macron is so angry with the United States for not basically going in and defending French interests in this region. There's the bigger issue in the long run of, of course, why is Britain in the Middle East? It's not about just the oil. It's about ensuring that there's not one big trade route running from China. to the Cameroon coast, right? Like they've done everything they can to get themselves in the way of trade across Asia and Africa.

So there can't be any Russian, Chinese influence in these areas. These have to be blown up and ethnic tensions constantly fomented, right, like everything else. And so it's nothing new here. we're just talking about old colonialist behavior. It's all it is. It's just, and old colonialists don't know how to do anything else. It's just like, you know, old communists on how to do anything else. They're all the same.

Like at the end of the day, they use force to get what they want. And then, you know, and they don't care who they kill in the process. And it's just that's it. And so why are they in Congo? Well, because Congo is one of the most net, one of the, was rich natural resource spots on the planet. The Europe's are trying to get money out of Congo for hundreds of years. And now they might actually have the technology to go in there and extract that stuff.

Because it's also really very difficult land. Right. So, I mean, but they've gone, they've gone in there, you know, I mean, they've been going in there for, you know, centuries. So, like, it is nothing new here. And they don't want to give it up because they know if they give it up, then they won't have anything. And they see the world is a zero-sum game, guys.

You have to remember in their mind, there are no win-wins. Okay. This is, I think, this is the point I've danced around for years. I can't remember. I can't believe I haven't mentioned this in recent times. But especially, like there's a certain type of mindset. You can call it Malthusian. You can call it communist.

You can call it nihilist. You can call it whatever the hell you want. I don't care. Pick an is, pick anism, call it that. It ultimately comes down to they see the world as a communist, a zero-sum game. In order for me to win, you have to lose. That means conversely, in order for me not to lose, you can't win. Okay? They don't see the world as, oh, well, you can utilize this in this way, and I can utilize this in that way, and then you and I come together, and we can

create a thing that's bigger than the two, than the two inputs and make something that's even better, right? You know, we'd be A1 plus A2, and we make C1, which is three times as cool as A1 and A2 together. They don't believe in that shit. They don't believe in that fundamentally. They believe you suck because you're taking stuff from them because you have something because they see the world as a finite thing. And it's pure psychopathy.

It has nothing to do with reality. And that's who they are. And they've always been this one. And we're just the help. And but it does, that is what drives them. If you listen to them talk, they're all Malthusian and their projections of economic resource usage and everything else. Climate change is the ultimate Malthusian expression of, you know, oh, my God, we're killing the planet because we were born. If you listen to these fucking people talking, it's just about control.

And it's just about this concept that, you know, we can't have nice things. Now, maybe that's all LARP. And with the real issue here is that they don't believe that humanity can be trusted, with having anything nice. And so it has to be constantly bound, pushed down to just one layer above subsistence level such that they reproduce just enough for them to live the way they want to live at this moment in time.

And I think that that's actually probably the cheat code all of their motivations. And once you get that in your head, like everything else they do, just makes perfect sense. So at Y Congo, well, just they want the cobalt or the lithium or the oil or whatever else is there, or the gold, the silver, or the platinum, but the diamonds. I don't know, all of it.

They don't want you to have it because God forbid you get rich. And remember in Niger, just to put some numbers on this, Niger used to export uranium to France for $1 a kilo, while the market price for uranium was $100 to $200 a kilo. Right. So you know, that's a lot of money there if you can get it for $1 a kilo a kilo. So obviously when somebody says like, hey, market price is $100 a kilo, why is it that we're selling it to you for $1 a kilo?

Oh yeah, because you have a gun pointed to my head. So I guess, yeah, that'll be $1. Thank you. And then the moment you can defend yourself, then you're thinking, no, Mofo, you're going to pay $100 a kid. kill like everybody else. Well, and then the mofo gets really angry and then sends death squads and they try to, you know, regime change the country to get some guy who will say like, yeah, that's fine.

A dollar will be nice so long as I get 10 cents. Yep. Every of those dollars. And that's how that's how the whole system of governance works everywhere. Actually, it's actually better than that. It's not even that, Alex. What they do is they, they turn around. They say, you sell it to us for a dollar.

we're going to sell it for 100 and we're going to kick five back to you. So the guy who sells them out actually makes real money more than the country does. And then, I mean, that are four bucks or one buck. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yes. You know, yeah, they're not skimming 10% off the top. They're giving 500% off the top.

And, you know, in that scenario, like, it's, that's, that's it. And the worst part about it is you have to get this through your heads, folks. You have to have to have to. They believe they're entitled to this. They don't believe that we have a right to live like human beings. They fucking hate us, period. And if you don't, you cannot use your morality and impose it on them and think that they have any. They don't. They don't. They're fucking insolent. sex. They're fucking locusts. They come in. They, they level the place. They pull, they put all their money in. They level the place. They extract everything they want. And then they leave and they go to

the next place. That's who they are. It's what they are. And you have to realize that. And the only way to fight people like that is to refuse to cut a deal with them. Because all of their deals will, everything they try to do will be to undermine any deal that they even cut with you. You can't even deal with these people. We have to kick them out completely. But I wanted to say something else, Tom, because you mentioned that they absolutely don't care whether they kill us in the process or not. And I have to say that I used to believe that I now think that they actually deeply care,

but not in the way that you and I would. They actually prefer to kill large numbers of people. Because very often in history, you'll come across these episodes where they ended up doing things that would kill very large numbers of people. And then it turned out that strategically, tactically, it was completely gratuitous. It wasn't necessary. You know, like the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of 80 Japanese cities that killed a lot more people than the nukes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Fire bombing of the German cities.

Right. The Brits were gung-ho on doing that, even though they knew that the German military was already finished, defeated. done in by the Soviets and that they were mostly going to be killing the civilians. Well, they wanted to do it all the same. They just wanted to do it. And then I came across this thing called Report from the Iron Mountain, which used to be dismissed as a hoax, and it used to be dismissed as a satire. If you read the document, it doesn't really read like satire. And if you compare, so it was published in the early 1960s.

I think 1962. If you compare the track record between 1962 and today, then you realize that what's in that report is what was actually being done over the next few decades. So there would have been very, very prescient satirists to put something like that together and then make sure that it's not even slightly funny. And basically the whole document talks about war,

And the fact that it's very desirable to kill as many people as possible in the conduct of these wars. So they're dead serious about it. And now you can see it in, you can see it in, in, in, in Gaza. Because they're not, they're not getting the, you know, the Israelis, they're not getting the results they wanted. They didn't get the hostages back. They didn't finish Hamas. but they keep bombing the civilians. Even though it's costing them a huge deal in the PR department,

Israel has practically isolated itself on the world stage. It's turned a huge percentage of the population all around the world against themselves, and they keep doing it. What's the rationale? What is the reason? So you're not achieving your objectives. you're turning the whole world against you. It's costing you in terms of your economy because, you know, the Houthis said,

we let the traffic flow stop bombing Gaza. And they're like, no, we're going to go into an economic depression but we won't stop bombing Gaza. And so you have to ask yourself, why is this being done? Who? What's the point? You're just killing people for no, good freaking reason. What is the point? And so anyway, you know, long thing short, if you pay

attention. I want to say to see, you know, Alex, I want to hear what you, the reason why you think they're doing this. I hope you're getting to that point because I have some other ideas about what's going on. No, no. The point that I want to make is that it seems to me because there's too many episodes of this same thing again and again and again. Right. That they are, that the policy is deliberately to kill as many people as possible. COVID was an example as well. Everything they've done, they've done to make things worse, not to make things better.

So it's, you know, like everything I'm saying is kind of like a reply to you saying, they don't care how many people they kill. And I think that it seems to me that they absolutely do care how many people they kill, but their concern is not to kill few. Their concern is to kill many. Okay.

Well, I don't, I don't disagree with that. That's a, you know, the, the, though, I think that, I don't know, maybe my, the point got kind of got lost in translation or however you want to put it. But, you know, they, they do want to kill as many people as possible. They have no remorse over any of the people that they kill. That's the interpretation of they don't care how many people they killed because they don't have any remorse over how many they kill because there's no care there. There's no care there.

I mean, you and I agree. agree about this. So now, I want to bring up some stuff here about what's going on in Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, Russia, the UN, all of this stuff. I was on with Mike Ferris and I was doing a thing with them and then we had Lieutenant Colonel Steve Murray come in and Sean was just listening to part of that when we started. Yeah, for people, yeah, for people, uh, Just tune into this one. It was good. I was both three quarters way through it. It was a very interesting. You boys were just talking Ireland. And I was like, oh, got to get through that because I hadn't heard that. Anyways, now I'm spoiling some of the things for people. Yeah, no, I go back and listen. No, but I don't, I thought it was a good talk because we went over a lot of things. And I've been thinking about this long and hard. And you guys know that I've been, as an American, I understand what these people, how these people, how these people, people view America, okay? I live in it, right? And I'm one of the few people who's as politically

aware to understand can see the thing, the way it's being laid out. America is being torn apart at the seams. Rightly or wrongly, all of that stuff is being torn apart at the seams. Okay, that's an agenda. That's a process. Israel is being torn apart at the seams, rightly or wrongly. It's an agenda. Okay. We went for 60 years and we weren't allowed to say bad things about Jews, maybe 80 years, right, post World War II. Now all of a sudden it's fashionable in the last six months, seven months to hate on the Jews. And maybe with a good reason.

I'm not, I'm not, my opinion on Israel, Gaza, and my opinion on Israel, my opinion on the Palestinians is not a part of any of this analysis. Yeah, all you're doing, Tom, is pointing out for 80 years, you couldn't say anything. And now you're looking around and everybody's talking about it. You're like that you're picking up on the trend.

Right. So I what I what I'm trying to say here is I am literally you have no idea what I think about any of this because I don't talk about it. Because I'm be honest with you, no one wants to hear what I have to say about any of this. Okay, I'm being dead serious when I say this. We have private conversations about what I think is going on all day long or about what I think of all these people. For the most part, I just think they all suck. And I think they're all terrible. And I think they've all been ratcheted up into you know, into levels of insanity and hatred and violence and everything else.

And I just want the violence to stop, right? Everybody, that's all we all want, right? But I want you to start thinking about this strategically. Why is it all of a sudden that what's the most, let me reframe this. What's the most important question of our age? Why do they want us to know slash think this particular thing right now? That's the question you should always ask yourself. It's not what's happening.

Who did it? Why? None of that matters. What matters is what do they want us to think or feel about X that's happening and how and why do they want us to know this now? Why is everybody a newly minted virologist during COVID or a newly minted geopolitical strategist during Israel, Gaza or, right? Why is everybody now an expert on Ukrainian geography, for example, right? It's always that. This is a, this is a tactic.

This is a strategy. It's not a tactic, it's a strategy. It's a way of moving what we call properly the Overton window into a particular area in order to cut off debate. Okay? This is going to sound like I'm defending Israel when I'm not. What I'm saying is the following. Everybody's engaged in propaganda here on all sides. Everyone, Hamas, Israel, the Iranians, the Russians, the Americans, the Palestinians, the Palestinians, everybody.

The EU, everybody has an agenda. And everything that's happened since Israel, God, since 10-7, has been has to be looked at through the filter of all the overlapping layers of propaganda for the strategic gain of whoever it is that's putting out that propaganda. Now, here's the big one for you. We talked about the WHO treaty a little bit. We talked about what's happening in the United States a little bit. Why are they trying to take out the United States? What's strategic gain?

You break up the world's biggest economy. You break up the world's biggest bond market. You break up the world's biggest treasury. currency market, you break up the world's only major government with a constitution where the people are superior to the government, right? These are all assets, all that has the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, you know, some of the best corporate laws in the world for starting all of this stuff. Why are they going after every pillar that makes the United States, the United States, right? They want to, they want the United States.

United States to seize the Russians foreign exchange reserves and give them to Ukraine. Why do they want to do that? Why does the Secretary of State of the United States or the Treasury Secretary want to do this? Maybe because they don't work for the United States because it doesn't take a genius to realize that that would be the dumbest fucking thing imaginable and would be absolutely against the American national interest. Why is the president allowing 30 to 40 million military aged men across the goddamn border? and denying it the entire time.

Why is he doing it? Right? So now let's ask yourself a better question. Why is the British government holding new elections right now? Why is Rishi Sunak going to run on a platform of national service, knowing full well that he is one step away from literally an Oliver Cronwell moment inside, within the United Kingdom? Well, maybe it's because he's trying to lose.

maybe it's because his job was to be brought in to destroy the Tories and hand the country over to Kirstarmer and labor. Now ask yourself another question. Why was the Sunak government in Britain all of a sudden pro-Palestinian when the Balfour Declaration and World War I and World War II and every fucking thing we have lived under for the last 100 fucking plus years has centered around the establishment of the British Empire of Israel

in order to control the maritime trade routes around the fucking Middle East. And the British fucking prime minister is all of a sudden pro-Palestinean? Has anybody just lost their fucking minds and not notice this? This is clearly a move of what I've been saying for four years. Oh, seven years since Brexit. British and Israeli politics are a mirror of each other. It is split between the old British All Roads Lead to London group and Davos. Netanyahu represents all roads lead to London and Bennett and all the other.

And his opposition in Israeli government are being sweet talked by Davos. Like the whole purpose of this is to further. the European Union at the expense of everybody else because the goal is global government. Look at what's happening. Look at how Israel is acting. They're acting like the biggest bunch of tone deaf morons in the world. They go to the UN and scream bloody murder that they're being treated unfairly. What's the strategic play here? But the strategic play is really obvious. You've got Donald Trump coming in for the president of the United States in January. What does Trump want to do?

Pull us out of NATO. Pull us out of the UN. He's being sweet-talked by all those people that surround Trump all believe the same thing. Well, guess what? If you want to control the UN, you've got to get rid of the United States and Israel from the UN. Like, this is Davos's plan, folks. This is their win. Get to turn the world against Israel so that what,

and then Israel and the United States, band together, circle the wagons, and say, you know what, we're taking our toys and we're going home. I'm not saying that they're right about, I don't care. I'm just looking at it going, oh, my God, could we actually get all the things that we want? Let's get the United States out of NATO. Let's get the United States out of the UN. Let's get rid of all these global treaties. And then what are they going to do on the United States at the same time?

Pull the fucking plug financially. Pull the fucking plug politically. leave Israel without a benefactor, leave the United States broken and bloody, and Europe in charge of the UN, ready to institute their big global government scheme. They've destroyed the UK, right? The coup against the Liz's, all the, I mean, this all came to me in a flash like Friday morning. I'm like, oh, my freaking God, that's what they're doing. And here's the worst part about it. It's the biggest mixed emotions moment of all time.

It is literally your mother-in-law driving over Cliff and your brand new Lamborghini. Because who in the hell doesn't want the American Empire to stop being a douchebag running around like Rambo without a jockstop around the world, subjugating and bobbing brown people? Who the hell doesn't want the Israelis to stop killing Muslims for no goddamn reason? Who doesn't want this? And who's fomenting it all? And who's going to take strategic. advantage of it all. This is the thing. I'm like, and I, this is why I stepped into the

Israeli Gaza conflict the way I did with the stuff that I wrote about. Because I could see the organ that I could see this coming. And I'm like, be careful what you wish for. You just might get the globalism you don't want. And I keep tell and this is why I started the rant that began to start the show of they don't they hate us. They hate us so much. that this is what they're willing to do. Now, weaponize our humanity at every level. When all we want is the killing to stop. What all we want ain't like, oh.

And guess what, guys, in the comments to this podcast right now, when it comes out, I will be labeled the Zionist for this. I already have. And I'm not. You guys know me. And yet, that's where we are. Why? Because now everything, everything is if you have any, if you show any strategic acumen as to what's going on,

you have any doubt that the Palestinians are the pure and unbridled victims of Israeli aggression and the Israelis are purely wrong in a conflict that's 3,000 years old, you clearly are working for the Rothschilds. Like, huh, when the Rothschilds are the ones, if they're, if you believe in that whole Rothschild conspiracy bullshit, I'm not that sure that I do. When they're the ones like Winnie by doing this, they're flipping on Israel. Israel's being thrown under the bus as we speak, rightly or wrongly. The United States being thrown under the bus as we speak, rightly or wrongly. There it is. That's my thesis.

That's where I think we're going with this. And I'm, I'm, I, I, and that's where my humanity on this. like I lose my mind because I can see where this is going to wind up. It's going to wind up with them running the table on us. Because they're going to install, they're going to allow Trump to take freaking power. And Trump is going to like is going to do is going to be told, hey, these are the, these are the best. Look at what he's doing.

Donald Trump is now the only person out there defending Israel publicly. I'm not. I'm just telling you what's going to happen strategically. Trump's been isolated. The Republicans have been. isolated. I told you last year that they were going to turn Joe Biden into the peace candidate and they were going to go after the Federal Reserve. And here we are. They're turning Biden into the peace candidate. Trump is now the warmonger and they're going after the Federal

Reserve. Guys, this is killing me. I don't know what else to say about this. I, I, so I leave that there. And again, none of this has anything to do with what I actually think about what's who's right and who's wrong. It's not about. who's right and who's wrong at this point. Not at all. Sadly, I wish it was. It'd be an easier world to analyze. It's not.

Alex, here to try them in. Well, it's a very, very complex situation, but I do see it a little bit differently. First of all, when it comes to hating the Jews, I don't think that that's even... You know, the situation is, surprise me a little bit, you know, because after 7th, after 7th October and then subsequent to the way Israel reacted to the thing, I thought that anti-Semitism was going to be exploding,

but it didn't. That is, you know, like they say that it did because now, even if I look cross-eyed, they say like, aha, that's anti-Semitism. They're Well, I think that the reason is because there are many, many Jews who are opposed to what Israel is doing. And I mean, you know, I hate to even name names because there are so many that if I name a few, I leave out dozens of others. But, you know, let's name a few. Norman Phil, Normal Finkelstein, Ilan Papi, Gideon Levy, Amira Haas, Aaron Matte, Gabor Matte,

Max Blumenthal. And now I run out of name. Bill Ackman and others. Like, yeah. Yeah. No, I know. So loads of them. And people are not stupid. People can see. It's not a Jew thing. It's the empire thing.

And then you go into the history. of how and why the state of Israel was set up, which I have to say that for the longest time, I bought the story about, you know, the nice story about the homeland for the 3,000 years persecuted Jewish people so that they have their homeland. Because the British cabinet

where Arthur Balfour was the Foreign Secretary suddenly discovered Jesus, and a sentimental side to themselves, and they decided, like, oh, poor Jewish people, they should have a homeland of their own. So we're going to give it to them because we just happen to be in charge of Palestine there, right? We're going to settle them there,

and then we're going to pretend like we care that they don't get into too much trouble with the local population there. So we're going to draft this letter, and we're going to address it to Lord Arthur Rothschad. Okay, now do you folks know why it was addressed to Arthur Rothschild? Okay. From Jacob Rothschild, explanation, from a documentary that's like floating somewhere online.

It's because this movement, the Zionist movement actually started in Eastern Europe, right? But, you know, it was not a proper movement and didn't know who the leader was. They couldn't agree who was leading it. and they couldn't agree on their strategy, and Great Britain was then the leading power of the world. And so it was decided by somebody that Britain should take charge of that Zionist movement. And because the Rothschilds was such a prominent family and political at that time, then it made sense to address that letter to Lord Arthur Rockchild.

I don't know about you, but this insults my intelligence, because that's not how anything works in this world. This is bullshit. Okay? Great. All right. Next data point. Lord Arthur's Rothschild had a son. His name was Nathan Rothschild.

Nathan Rothschild was BFFs with who? Lord Balfour. They're BFFs. Nathan Rothschild spends every day at the foreign office, hanging out with Arthur Balfour. All right? So the letter was then addressed to Nathan's father. Now, what else do they have in common, Balfour and Nathan Rothschild?

They're both. members of Alfred Milner's roundtable group, the Milner's kindergarten. They're both part of that. And the Milner's kindergarten, they're an alumni, not Milner himself, pretty much set it on record, black and white, that the British Empire would cease to be a maritime superpower unless they could seed the Middle East with a particularly, they didn't use fanatical, the word fanatical, they used the word patriotic. So they wanted to seed the Middle East with a particularly patriotic stock, which, you know, it didn't quite exist at that time. It needed to be created out of

whole cloth. So that's where the Zionist movement takes root. And that's where their, how do you call it, ideologues get amplified and it becomes a thing. Because before that, you know, like Jacob Rothschild in this documentary that I mentioned, he mentions Haim Weitzman, you know, the Eastern European Jew, who comes to. to London and Haim Weitzmann is like a would-be scientist. Do you know what a would-be scientist is? Nothing, nobody, a charlatan. Somebody who pretends that they're a scientist, but they have no qualifications to even say that they are. Okay, so like this would-be scientist who is completely broke, does he doesn't have a penny to his name.

He like immigrates into the UK, into Britain. And all of a sudden, his buddy pals with Arthur Balfour and all the other members of the British cabinet, they're really, really tight. And he somehow persuades them to write the Balfour Declaration and address it to Lord Rothschild. And how did he do this? Because of the strength of his conviction and his charm.

How charming did he have to be to awaken the sentimental inner being of Arthur Balfour and other members of this imperialist, colonialist, colonialist nation who absolutely didn't give a shit about wiping two million Irish, about wiping out 20 million Indians all in one go to famines that they engineer themselves. Now all of a sudden they're deeply, deeply caring about the Jewish people and they think that they should have a homeland of their own. Okay, fine. So what about Armenians?

What about the Congolese? Between 10 and 12 million Congolese were sloth. in Belgium's colonial project. What about the Mayas? What about the Aztecas? What about the Incas? What about the American natives? They just didn't have such a charming spokesman who was a would-be scientist and had not appended to their name.

Only Haim Weizmann had that charm. So give me a freaking break. So anyway, you know, like all these data points, to me point into one direction. Israel was created there to preserve the empire's hegemony over the Middle East. And the Jewish people were cynically used as military force as cannon fodder to antagonize all their neighbors.

We can them, keep them disorganized, pit them against one another, All to the Jews detriment, by the way. Agreed. And if you need further evidence to this, see how Israel treated its population during the 2020 COVID pandemic. They used them cynically, deliberately, knowingly as lab rats for Pfizer. And you can find today Benjamin Netanyahu bragging about this at Davos. Yes.

Wait. Now, Alex, Alex, Alex, everything you just said actually comports with everything I said. Because what I'm telling you is that all of that is now being cynically used. The Jews and Israel have outlived their usefulness. They are no longer an asset worth preserving. And you just bringing up the COVID vaccine thing makes perfect sense. You got to get rid of the Jews who are not. who are not part of that tribe.

Yeah. And this is a particular. Right. And this is what I'm getting at. And I think, honestly, that the old European powers have finally gotten control of Britain in a way that they, remember, Brexit. If you think about Brexit, go back to think about Brexit. What was Brexit? Why were the, why was the EU so angry about Brexit?

I mean, why? Why are they? so intent on making the European Union project, which is a mess? Why are they so committed to it? More committed to that than any other project on the planet. You could break British political hierarchy down into two basic factions. You have the globalists represented by David Cameron and Kier Starrmer and, you know, Theresa May and all those people. And that and the, and most of the, the, what do they call? the civil service, led by Marx,

formerly led by Mark Sedwell. Remember, going all way back into the bowels of all the Brexit negotiations. But think about what, who was on the other side of Brexit. Brexit from the, from the perspective of the British people,

was about independence and freedom. But from the perspective of the British, for lack of a better term, I don't know, call it the old, the old, McHindera. the neoconservatives.

If you listened carefully going back during the Brexit campaign, you heard a lot of, you heard them, you heard the criticisms of Brexit. It was all about, oh, well, you're just, this is just all British billionaires and whatnot wanting to. This was coming from the globalist, right, from the Jeremy Corbyn, not even Jeremy Corbyn. He was pro-Brexit from the globalist wing,

from the Tony Blair's and whatnot, saying, look, you know, this is clearly a cynical ploy on their part, you know, to undermine the EU because for their own benefit, blah, blah, blah, well, that's true, right? And who aligned with all that? And who's foreign policy? And if you listen to the foreign policy of the men who backed Brexit, it's all indistinguishable from Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Victorian Newland, and all the rest of them. Classic American neo-conservatives. That's where they map to. So I want to, like, as I've been trying to say for years, there is a fundamental difference between the Trotskyite, neoconservatives of old Britain and the Leninists of the World Economic Forum.

If I can break it down in that kind of branding, it goes that far. I mean, like the old, I mean, the British neoconservatives are all Totskyites. We all know this. It's been, it's been, it's been, it's been traced back a long, long, and I'm not the only one to have, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's known. On the other side of it, you have clauswab with a bust of Lenin. on his desk. And if you think that that was, you know, that was, you know, an oopsie on his part. It wasn't. This is kind of what, so we can use those two brands as a framework for the fight, right? So Brexit was commandeered or allowed to occur and commandeered by the old British neoconservatives as an

antipode to what's what was going on in the European Union and Davos. You can call them British Sovereignty, you can call them whatever you want. I don't care. Like you can, you know, that doesn't matter. What matters is that they were trying to preserve what was what they had in Israel and in the Middle East and with the United States, whereas Davos, the permanent, you know, the of the Leninist variety were looking to get control of the UK and then destroy the United States. And if you go back to the JCPOA, the Iran nuclear deal, who was behind that? Well, the globalist faction within the American government and the British government and the Iran. European Union. They are the ones that created the thing. Obama gets the United States,

basically writes in executive order because you can't get it through Congress. And the JCPOA goes into effect. Iran is allowed back into the global economy and who's the most pissed off of everybody in the world. Every classic neo-conservative, including quote unquote freedom fighters like Nigel Farage. Farage is foreign policy. And I love Nigel for what he did with Brexit, but I despise his foreign policy and always have. His foreign policy is indistinguishable from what you would see normally at CPAC every year here in the United States. So now think now, now put it all together. What I've been identifying for a long time, that there's a split between and within and over the soul of Britain and now the and is.

Israel for the purpose of who's being maneuvered into basically being destroyed on the altar of the European Union. What's the goal of the European Union? The girl of the European Union is to get the United States out of Europe. If they can't get the United States to go along with it, right? So they put Joe Biden in power. They've had globalists in power for all this time. If you can't get the United States to go along with it, then you have to get the United States out. How do you do that? Well, you allow Donald, you put John Bolton on on Trump's national security team. You surround him with classic British neoconservatives. Okay.

Trump being a royalist ultimately in his thinking, I mean, they did the, they did the work on Trump, right? Trump's old Scotland, you know, I mean, he's, you know, his fucking family goes back to the Freemasons and all of this stuff. And why were they so against Trump meeting with the queen? Remember that? Remember that campaign? That was all bullshit

because they were, because they knew flat out that they couldn't let Trump come in with a second term because then the European Union would be left out in the cold, Brexit would happen, and the United States

and the UK would pull away. Israel would be maintained, which again, none of this, again, is my preferred outcome. There are always going to be good and bad of any of these factions

maneuvering against each other. The board is too complex. We as outside observers to this who just want the world to be, just want the killing to stop are never going to get a good outcome from that perspective. We're always going to get a mixed back. It's going to be a Hobbson's choice. Do you want, what do you want and what's your higher priority at this point in time? And I'll be honest with you, my highest priority.

And I admit this freely is that I want to see the United States survive this period with enough strength left to oppose what's happening in Europe for the good of the fucking planet. Then the United States can break up or whatever needs to be done. And by degrees, the empire can be dismantled. Us pulling out of Afghanistan was designed by Biden. It was designed. Like these are all things that are in service of what's what the goal is.

now, which is to clearly set up if they can't steal the election in the fall and get control of the United States again and continue to this control for the next four years. That's why everything is accelerating, guys, because it's all about the election. If you, if they can't pull that off, right, then you're going to put Trump in the position where he's going to do exactly what Americans want him to do, which is the point. pull out of the UN, pull out of NATO, stop the war in Ukraine, stop support for the war in Ukraine. All these are good things in my mind. But at the same time, we're going to have to, we're going to do so in a, in a categorical

defense of Israel. Do you see the, you see the plan here? But then that leaves the UN and the British, not the British, but the German and French military industrial complex, ready to remilitarize, take over Europe, cut a deal. deal with the, I don't think the, see, the fun part about this, I don't think the Russians and the Chinese are going to go along with any of this. I think they're all fighting amongst themselves, and we haven't even talked about what the Russians and the Chinese think about this. Because the arrogant Europeans really do believe that they can kind of deal with the Chinese and

the Russians and get things back to normal. And that's why I think all of this is going to fail, which is the other reason why I think if the United States doesn't do what we're being goaded into doing, we can actually, there's actually a path out of this where everybody wins. where all of their hops and choices fall apart at the last moment. But it's got to be, it's got to happen in a particular order. Okay. That's my point. And, you know, it's, we don't want things to happen in the wrong order.

If they happen in the wrong order, you get a continuation of the last fucking 400 years, which, you know, that Alex has laid out. I'm sure Alex wants to, I can see his brain churn here. The thing I sit on this side is first when you brought up Schwab and a thing of Lenin on his mantle. It's we got to stop looking by that like it isn't a big deal because Tom, I look at you and I pointed this out before we started. You got a new backdrop, right? And I knew exactly it was on your backdrop as soon as I saw it. It was like, oh, there's some board games on there for sure, right?

Like I can't zoom in and see everything. But, you know, in talking with you, and I think with people listening to your way of thinking, it always comes back to board game strategy. And I like to think as you're talking, there's some room sitting there. Now this is fictitious, or maybe there is such a thing, where they're looking at the world

and it's a big giant board game. It's more complex than that, but it can be as simple as that as well. And when you bring it back to the Belford Declaration and Israel, I don't know what your thoughts are on this, and I'm adrailing maybe where you two are heading. I just wanted to throw it out there

because maybe it's just a simpleton's thought. but the best moves that make sense are the ones that are good for the empire and they're embraced by the world you know when you say Israel gets a state they just been massacred and so of course they're going to embrace it and bring goes give it to you here boom everybody loves it and they overlook the strategic importance of what it is and now we sit here a hundred years later and we go wait a second look at what they did look at where they are but it's still embraced and it's still fought for by the people. It's actually, you know, when 9-11 happened, the best, one of the best people I ever interviewed on it, I thought they were going to go down to Building 7 and why that

opened their eyes. He said it's because the way they made me feel. I was ready to kill everyone. Not everyone, but you know, you get that point. It was, it was the sentiment that they feel. So when you're looking for these events, what they're trying to align is what is best for the empire. and that can be anyone's empire. You guys point all roads lead to London, but you take any of the players, any of the major players, in lines with them,

and the world will embrace it. Because if they can get those two things, then nobody can attack them. Well, then they can get us to do their dirty work for them. Then they can get us to be their shock troops. And I think, and to Alex's credit and point,

and don't get me wrong, Alex, I am not disagreeing with anything you have said. I've actually, I actually am in, I'm actually, you actually give me hope because you, you have a far more, like I said, optimistic view of our ability to see what they're doing than I, then I do. Okay. And I, you know, I throw this stuff out there firmly for, I, guys, I don't want this future that I can see in front of me. And it's, I'll be honest with you, this has been killing me. I spent the entire weekend on the couch like rewatching Battlestar Galatica after I came through this.

Like, I couldn't, I couldn't function this weekend after I saw all this come through my head. Like, that's how bad, that's how deeply it affected me. I had nothing to say other than, oh my fucking God. I literally couldn't move. And I, I guess I hope the way I'm looking at it is I'm just, I'm not catching up to them folks by any stretch of imagination. I bring Alex and Tom on all the time to do exactly this. To me, every once in a while you get a little bit of an epiphany. Maybe.

I don't know. Maybe people are just laughing at me. But I sit and listen to you to. And I'm like, oh, I'm just the simpleton. And if they can align what's best for, and take Canada, what's best for Canada, right? Pierre Poliev is the guy. He eats a bloody apple. Everybody goes cheering for it.

And yet, if you take a step back and people go, well, you know, do things, really change under a conservative government or is it still steadily heading the one way yeah just slower is i mean you know like but everybody wants it you can feel it it's palpable it's why the freedom convoy worked the entire population wanted it if they didn't it wouldn't even have caught you know like as hard as they tried to shut it down the population wanted it it's what they got very wrong in my opinion on the on the global stage but regardless um when those two things align it's almost unstoppable it's it's it's it's very like you can feel it like this is this is wild this is this is not feel nice yeah it's what happened after 9-11 and that's something that steve murray and i talked about

a little bit is like this idea that you know after 9-11 you know you couldn't be anti-war they destroyed the anti-war movement in the united states for 20 years Okay. Alex, you look like you're chewing on things. What do you got? Well, the reason I'm optimistic is not just because I've decided that I was going to be optimistic. I'm optimistic because I can see it around myself.

You know, it's not, you know, like you pay attention to what, you know, like once you know, once you know who are, you know, the equestrian class of, let's say, captains and generals of this globalist conspiracy. and you pay attention to their statement, you'll see that they're very, very frazzled. There's something changed hugely between 9-11 and today. And it's the Internet and the social media. You know, we had Internet in 2001, but it was nothing like we have today. And there was no Twitter and there, you know, I don't know if there was Facebook, but, you know,

we definitely didn't have all the resources. that we have today. And people were still watching the news to see what was going on. Today people no longer watch the news to see what's going on. They go straight to Twitter, to X, right? And so the way the information flows

has changed in a way that, you know, if you were a mathematician, you would see that you have a massive new variable in the equation. So there's no way that the outcome can be the same as before you had that variable. Okay? And the system is very complex. So a very, very small change in the equation can lead to massively different outcome.

And so when you, okay, so I'll start with Ukraine war. So two years ago, well, more, in February 2022, we had the start of the special military operation in Ukraine. So that was supposed to be a galvanizing event. We were all supposed to be like, oh, let's go kill Russia, right? And unite. And, you know, it was supposed to escalate to a all-out war between NATO and Russia. The French ran a poll within two weeks. And their poll came back with 56 percent, a majority of French people, actually sympathizing with Russia's reasons for the intervention, 56% of the French. It was just like then when the Russians invaded,

people were supposed to be like outrage, ready to enlist and go and kill Russia. It didn't happen that way. As I mentioned a few times before, a friend works for NATO in one of the NATO member countries in Europe. and they told me that NATO was very carefully monitoring the public mood in Europe among NATO member nations for this very reason. It was supposed to galvanize us to go, you know, like let's go and fight the new Hitler in the East.

And in the former Soviet bloc countries, the sentiment was in favor of Russia by ratio about three to four. So about 75% of people sympathizing with Russia. And in Western countries like France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Austria, it was about two out of three, two thirds of people sympathizing with Russia. And that's, you know, like as a Croatian, when I go to Croatia, I talk to people, that's exactly what I get. About three out of four sympathize with Russia. They're kind of quiet until they realize where you stand. And then when they realize that you're on the same side, then they're like, oh, dude, me too, me too, me too. That's how you understand it. And then there was a, there was like a Fiona Hill. I don't know, Fiona Hill is not exactly a household name,

but she's one of the equestrians of this globalist conspiracy, right? She was up to her eyeballs involved in the in the in the russia gates candle she was she was uh in the in the hearings with with what's his face uh i forget the guy the guy the prosecutor the not bill bar but the other one come on guys miller no okay it doesn't matter the guy who was the guy who was who was running the investigation for Russia Gate. He was supposed to come up with something against you mean Mueller. Mueller. Mueller. Thank you. You're welcome. So she like right there in the beginning of the of the special military operation, she also gave a testimony to some Senate committee or something like this in which she was complaining that the majority of Americans sympathized

with the Russian side. Okay? We don't know the numbers, right? I don't know the numbers, but her statements clearly shows that she knew the numbers. Because she was saying, like, yeah, it's no wonder that Americans think, like, yeah, good on you, Putin for standing up for your country, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, it's only getting worse. And now, you know, like last in January, we saw people in Davos throwing tantrums about losing the narrative control. We saw Alex Karp earlier this month throwing a tantrum about losing the narrative control,

and he even gave away the consequence of losing control that the Western powers will not be able to field any armies to intervene around the world if they lose the intellectual battle. He was talking about Israel, but, I mean, worked for Ukraine as well. And so I see that the situation has changed. it's no longer like 9-11 where everybody's looking at their at their TV set at CNN and CNBC and all of these people who are you know exercising narrative control and everybody says like damn it's the Muslims let's go kill them all and people started listing and yeah it's very very different this time it's very very different this time and so the reason why I'm optimistic is because I can see that they keep failing like one desperate gambit after another, after another, after another, and it all falls flat. Last week, their stupid pandemic treaty didn't pass, or was it this week, whenever it was. The pandemic treaty didn't pass.

They had everything writing on that pandemic treaty. It was massively important to them. They're like having foam coming out of their mouth, how pissed they are about not getting their pandemic treaty. They lost in Syria. They lost in Ukraine. They lost in Afghanistan. Did you see the doctor, the head of the WHO? Tedros, I can pronounce the last thing. But he has a video. There's a video out there on Twitter where it's about four minutes, him talking about the WHO and not reaching a pandemic. And he looks, he looks beaten.

Not too much. Just, you know, he looks defeated or beaten. You know, it was, it was a very enjoyable video to watch, in my opinion. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But him going, you know, like, you know, we didn't, you know, and there's some things. And he was talking about humanity has a very short memory. And they move on to the next thing. And that's why it didn't get done. And I'm like, right, right.

People have a short memory. That's why it didn't get done. He's probably, how about go fuck yourself, we'll call it even. Correct. Correct. He's probably worried about these viruses. can jump, you know. That's why he would look so defeated. I mean, anyway, to be serious, I see that they are failing again and again and again and again.

And that everything, you know, like, because they, the agenda that we're seeing collapse before our eyes today is the agenda that they formulated like 30 years ago. like all of these plans all of this like the pandemic, the attack on Russia all of this stuff was planned 30 years ago. These were like documents drafted by

Morris Strong forever ago and whoever he was working with. And the world was a very, very different place. They were enjoying their unipolar moment. They thought that they had China under control. They thought like that Russia

was broken, that it was never coming back. And they felt like, okay, so now all we have to put these termites under control, and we shall do it with the pandemic and then vaccines, and then we're going to inject everybody with a chip that's going to contain their health record and their banking record. And if they misbehaved, we're just going to switch them off. And then we shall rule forever. You know, it's not working that way anymore. Because they cannot. They cannot just come on TV and say, like, oh, I'm an expert. You know, there's these viruses that seem to be jumping from horses to humans

and we have to pass the pandemic treaty or else we're all going to be dead. We're all in this together. Trust me. Because people are not going like, no, no, you're full of shit. We're not doing this anymore. This is, Alex, this is why I brought up earlier. I'm going through all this stuff about the West and Britain and Israel and Davos and the United States and all of this stuff.

And this is all this big internecine mess. And Sean, to your point, it's like a game of diplomacy where everybody forgot about everything west or east of Moscow, okay, or, you know, whatever. Like, I've got multiple board games that do this. And diplomacy, imperial, a few others. They're like, they forgot that like this area of the world is not the world, right? That's not, this is the world. This is what they're focusing on. So we're like, we're watching.

This is the world. And this is the international community. Right. Exactly. No, exactly. And so what Alex is describing is why, as I said, and by the way, all of this does not really matter, because we haven't talked about what Russia and China have done or think about all this and what they've done with the rest of the world to say, you know what? By the way, we matter.

And our opinions matter. And you can't get the pandemic treaty through because you can't get enough of us to go along with this. That doesn't happen if the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians and whatnot over the last 10 years don't stand up to the to the imperial impulse and say, you know what? No. If Russia fails in Syria, if Russia fails in Ukraine, the game board is different. Or if Russia doesn't, like, you know, I think of where we first started 13 episodes ago and how. close the conversation was around World War III starting. And you had Nord Stream happen and all these different things. If you didn't have a certain player on the board, not react to insanity,

then with this conversation is a lot different. And to Alex's point, that's where the internet has been super beneficial. And maybe I'm wrong on this. I think to all the countries you just pointed out in europe the like those would be the ones i would have thought would reacted first you know it's germany literally losing its lifeline and and you know here over here in north america you know i don't even know half the people didn't even know their plans are so much deeper than that like we haven't i could we could Alex and i could sit here and riff for a half another half an hour just on the moves that donald tusk is making now that he's prime minister poland relative to germany relative to ukraine and gas, Russian gas and all this other stuff.

I mean, there's, you know what's funny, guys, I don't write as much publicly as I used to because I don't know what to write about. I don't know what topic to pick to actually write a small article about anymore because everything balloons into a big, freaking, you know, tone where I need to write a friggin history book. I can't just focus on it.

I have the same problem. I, you know, I hate to do that. It's so much easier to have a conversation like this to get complex ideas across because I can't do it in print anymore. whatever whatever thread you pull you try to pull out like you like pull everything together with yeah it's all one bit you know the once you kind of see it this way this is part of the reason why i'm like i love doing these podcasts and i'm and they're becoming like so much more important

to the way i do my thing is because i need to be able to sit here and riff off of you and Alex or Steve Murray or whomever and then have an hour and a half or two hour conversation to dig into this stuff. Every once in a while, I put something out for my patrons where I test run these ideas, have them yell at me that I'm full of shit or I'm not full of shit or whatever. And then I go out into the public and galvanize them, like literally. So, and I'm like, how do I write about half of this stuff? You saw you guys, I mean, dude, like the two part thing I wrote on Israel and Palestine,

like that exhausted me. Like I had to, like, I got done with that. I had to write the newsletter, like right after that. I had like, I had nothing left. Like literally I wrote 7,000 words on that. Then I had to go write 6,000 words for the freaking newsletter. I had nothing left. Like, I get done with this podcast and I've got to go write another newsletter.

Like, it's, I don't have any bandwidth left. So like, so I, don't make, don't get, don't mean this to be that I'm grousing in anyway. I love my life. I love my job. I love what I do. It's brilliant. I can't believe I get to do this for a fucking living.

I cannot to this day. So the point being is that it is so very difficult to do this in any way that is kind of almost organized and stay on one freaking point that we have to keep like pushing around and poking each of all of these threads pulling on them and then seeing how they relate to everything else. And, you know, when I throw an idea out like I did earlier on the podcast, understand that that's where I am right now. I don't know that that's going to be correct in a week. okay and I may wind up being all all wet about this and you know the anti-zionists that call me a Zionist chill may not be right about this I don't even even know anymore I just know that it's very clear to me that there's an operation running that it's okay now to hate Israel and that that has strategic value and it's dovetails with everybody piling on to hate the United States which also has strategic value

And the question I always ask when I'm asking myself, one, why do they want us to hate Israel? Why do they want us to hate the United States? And who benefits from that? And if you just keep running that heuristic over and over and over in your head, you're like, oh, okay, well, it must mean, it's got to mean this. Now, maybe it doesn't mean that. Ultimately, maybe there's another layer to it that I don't haven't figured out yet. But let's go with that and let's figure it out. And let's remove all of our own personal biases and let's remove all of our own personal trigger points that.

that they installed in us because that's who they are. Remember, these are narcissistic abusers, and they're really good at installing buttons in you and then pressing them when they need them to be pressed to get you to stop thinking and only react in the real time. And the hardest part of what we do is to sit back and not get triggered by these things. And like, I'm not like the most world's most overly emotional jackass.

Like, what do you think I go to therapy? every two weeks and trying to get some of the shit out of my system. So like, come on podcast and be halfway coherent. Like, that's serious. Like, this is what we do. So, I don't know, the mea culpa helps, but like, it's important. So when we start looking at all of this stuff, it's clear we go back to what we were just saying.

Like, our analysis of how Russia and Iran and China have reacted or refused to react and take the bait is what has driven. the West to the level of insanity that they've driven things. And they've gone for these projects and these outcomes that they couldn't pull off. So they started, and again, I described it many times as a big Microsoft project thing up on the wall over Gant chart over at Globalist Central. And they're just running the script because they don't know what else to do. They put people in charge of the Gant chart of the project of the various pieces. of it who don't have any creativity, who have no ability to improvise, have no ability to react to the, to the, to the, to the enemy in real, their enemy in real time.

And so they're just, I'm just making these moves. And these are the moves I'm allowed to make. And, you know, they, they. And that's what they're doing. And because they don't have any other options because they're now pot committed to mix another. You know, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, I'm just thinking. You know, you know, know what you guys do on a global stage if you got people you know and the united states has a ton of it uh you know you can listen to people within the united states talk about the inner work of how the states work and the most um the motivators of why they're doing things and i just think if you do that to canada and heck i bring an even smaller to alberta where i live now you could do the same uh thought process out tom of what you're saying why do they want us to know this now who benefits why aren't they doing it because you know like common sense people go why don't we have a pipeline running from alberta to the east coast sell our own oil to our own people make money

benefit the entire country it's a win-win but you bring back your entire thought process uh and take it from a global all the way into just a country and you you'll find answers real fast on why they don't do that and who benefits and why they don't want it to go that way and then you can start to understand why trudeau is being pushed the way he's being pushed the way he's being and on it goes. And pretty soon you start to see the world from the standpoint, which you're doing, you two do very well with the world as a whole. We try, like, you know what I mean?

I know that it's all we, we only do this because we love doing it. And we want to see, we want to chart it. My goal is always just to chart a path for humanity out of this mess. Like, that's all I'm ever thinking of. And if that means that I have to think, I have to go through a process where we have to go right in order to go left. And the goal is, you know, off to the left somewhere. But I got to go right first or I got to go north before I can go east. Like, I'll do that, right?

Because that's the way you, that's because it's always, you always have a particular goal in mind. My goal is, you know, free humanity from these global shitbacks. And, um, and we may just, you know, wind up. you know, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. We may wind up with, you know, the Chinese are worse than the Europeans ever were. But, you know, I also don't think that if we burn everything to the ground and the process, that the Chinese will be in a position to want to or be able to do that if they have such ambitions. I'm not even convinced that they have those ambitions, but let's just to take it for as a given that they do. Let's just take it as a given that there's

another big, there's another big bad out there who's just as bad, right? It's a cynical way of at it, but you might as well, you might as well set that as your boundary condition to your problem and then run the, run the scenario. Well, then in that case, you definitely don't want the United States broken into little pieces because in the United States becomes a natural antipode to the, to the Asian integrated Asian access, access that emerges and the impulse to imperial overreach and hubris that all humanity has in it, because when you create any kind of a big system like that, it encourages psychopathy. Like, we in the West don't have a monopoly on psychopathy.

I hate to break it to everyone. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there are psychopathic Russians, there are psychopathic Congolese, there are psychopathic Brazilians, there's psychopathic Americans, there's psychopathic Chinese. You create government systems that subsidize psychopathy, you get psychopathy. Right? Well, guess what?

We have it in spades ingrained 500 years with a colonial psychopathy within the, within the American, European, Anglo, you know, the Western sphere. We have it. It's, which is full flower. These people want our disembodied brains, I want to upload themselves to the net and ruling perpetuity through digital, through digital feudalism. Like, they're insane. And yet, and they may lose, but that doesn't mean that, you know, we're going to replace it with

the good guys. No, we're going to replace it with somebody else who could who could 50 years from now be just as bad. So you don't want to leave the game board so broken that we wind up with somebody else's winning 50 years from now. But again, like everything else, nothing ever ends, right? Watchman. So you just do your best to try and make sure that as few people as possible die in the process. And if that means, unfortunately, if we got to eat some shit in the short term, I you know I'm not advocating for this what I'm saying look this is maybe maybe the best we wind up with and I you know sadly that's the the you know it's like not like I'm happy about it I'm not but you know what are you going to do like these are the choices they have the weapons this is what we're going to do we're going to slide over to sub stack we got we got one more thing I want these two to talk about for 10 minutes and then I'm going to let them out of here if you want to slide over to substack with us come on over and we'll see you there.