Shaun Newman Podcast - #655 - Dave Collum

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

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Okay, let's get on to the tale of the tape. He's a professor of organic chemistry at Cornell University. I'm talking about Dave Collum, so buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dave Collum. Sir, thanks for hopping on. It is my pleasure. Now, I got to address the insane amount of tax I got,

because Tom Luongel comes on here a lot. I was telling you before we got going, no folks I'm not CIA no I do not wear glasses and we all had a good chuckle because Dave was trying to picture who this this this good looking guy was either way thanks for uh because there's Sean Ryan Sean Newman there's a there's another Newman and and my signals I'm doing I'm averaging about a podcast today now and I know you may be too but that's your job my job is just trying to stay out of trouble I'm doing a podcast tomorrow what they say Wednesday tomorrow with Luongo again with Tommy Kerrigan and Jim Kuntler again.

Oh, and Jim Kuntler, that will be... Well, we've done about four of them. They called it the old bald ones or something. There's some name that's been given, the old bald guys. And we just sit around and Jim's the resident Jew, so we need to say something anti-Semitic, Jim will say it for us, you know, whatever. You know, it just goes crazy. Well, I'm excited to have you back on.

People certainly enjoyed the first time you hopped on this. show earlier this year so if people haven't uh listen to that they should go back and and and give it a listen because the first time anyone's on it we i have to do the you know i don't know who you are lots of people don't know who you are and so you got to you kind of got to do the the elementary steps if you would um but since you've been on once i i we just get right into it and like i mean the united states right now is um starting to look a bit of you know maybe it's always been as crazy as canada but uh It's starting to look from where I say, I'm like, holy man, what is going on here? I want to start with Trump because I just want to understand from your mind, like what you're seeing.

Because, you know, Canada's going to spend on. Oh, Trump's a bad guy. Trump is a really bad guy. He should go to jail forever. And you're like, right. Right. Okay. Yeah, I hear a lot of that.

That's common. We should point out that I'm an organic chemistry at Cornell. And I got into first sort of economics, then geopolitics. and so that the people can understand that they might be talking to a crackpot. Fair. Okay, before we go to Trump, one of the guys that asked me before I walked in here today, how does Dave get away with it? When in the world of academia, you say two things the wrong way, out the door you go.

Well, there's a number of answers. One is it's not quite that intense. There was a period where it was pretty dangerous, I would say, that the peak of cancel culture, I think, has passed. The influence of cancer culture persists because now everyone self-edits. They think, oh, I don't want to get in trouble and therefore, right? And they've seen the consequences. So the scar tissue has been left.

And so I'm a 69-year-old tenured professor. I would be very hard to fire. I got canceled in 2020. It was actually impressive. It got written up by the Federalist. You know, it didn't make CNBC. It didn't make Fox House very disappointed. And I'm networked with all the other guys who got canceled,

including the guy in North Carolina who killed himself and things like that, right? So I'm not, I'm not networked with him now, but someday I may network with him again up there somewhere. And so I would be harder to fire than most. And I think a lot of the people who do get canned, they get so overwhelmed by the pressure because for one thing they're often not used to it right this is not exactly and most of us are in colter right we're not we're not ready to do to do to do battle although i kind of was but it was pretty overwhelming um but but but and they get so overwhelmed

that they just they just have this need to get out i they just okay i'll resign you know they panic And what I would say is that most of the people lose their jobs because of that sort of event, they let themselves get fired. Now, I would be really hard to fire because I have other things, including my record as a scientist, was presented to the trustees as a case study in success. I'm the only guy in the Department of History to be the undergraduate, graduate, Director of Undergraduate Society, he's Director of Graduate Society, he's Associate Chair and Chair. I coached two collegious sports.

My brother-in-law is a trustee. My wife's name is Candace Cornell. He's Ezra Cornell. My grandfather was president of National Alumni Association. So you're tied into the establishment. And I got canceled. The weapons that they used were because twice I was asked to fight a union movement, first by the dean of faculty, and second by the provost, now the interim president.

So I can see them sitting in court and go, well, yeah, we fired him, but he got, he really got the guff because I asked him to fight the labor movement and they attacked him, right, that sort of thing. So, so I would be tough to cancel. I was told indirectly that one of Cornell legal counsel, who I know personally, said that they would be destroyed in court if they'd try to fire me. So I think I have more protection than the average faculty member. Also, remember the first, we'll say significant, I'll say girlfriend, when you first broke up with your first sort of love and how much it hurt. Sure. And then you get over and you go, I'm not going to let that kind of pain come again.

Right. If it doesn't work, screw them, I'm out. There's just no way anyone would burn me the way that first crush who torched me did it. And that's sort of getting attacked. That's like getting canceled. So if they come at me again, the first thing I will do is I will reach out to Cornell administration and say, look, if you shut up and I shut up, this will just go away. If you can live with that, I can live with that. But if you can't, I'm going to war.

And Cornell can make the decision. Now, I had other trustees. I was in contact with trustees during the cancellation who were saying Cornell should not say a thing. I had two trustees walk into the president's office saying, don't you dare do anything. So I really was protected, but it was really unpleasant too. Well, it was during the lockdown. So I thought Antifa was going to show off. That was actually the most dangerous thing. So I slept with loaded guns. I put steak knives in every room. And I was committed that if someone shot, I was getting death threats, right?

But death threats are easy, right? Anyone can fire out of death death. threat through some Yahoo email, right? But still, but I was worried Antifa would show up. And then I said, okay, if I go to the light, I'm bringing that bastard with me. That's, that's an expectation. That's an experience, though, Dave, that most people don't have, right? Right. Like, you're sleeping with a load of gun and knives throughout the house.

My wife wasn't happy about it. And she kept saying, why did you tweet, which you tweeted, which is that there was a trigger tweet. And I was completely. completely innocent of doing anything wrong in the tweet. I mean, it really, it was absurd, actually. I called out what turned out to be a grifter, and I was dead right, dead right. And, but that's what they unleashed the hounds on me with.

What was the tweet? I feel like I'm spacing. Well, so, so the union guys had gone at me a couple times because they're pissed at me. So that turned out to be the ammo they used. Their smear campaigns from the past to get me. So I just need to say that. So then one night, Chris Irons of QTR fame. posted the guy in Buffalo getting knocked over.

Remember the guy, that old man in Buffalo got knocked over? Yes. He posts. He says, oh, this is just awful. And it's not like Chris is a pussy or something, right? I mean, he, he's a tough guy. And I looked at it a couple times and said, you know, Chris, we can talk about it on Saturday because I was doing a podcast.

I said, but I don't know what he was doing. What was he? Why was he poking riot police? That's a war zone. He said, and then I said, the words that got me in the most trouble. I said, it looks self-inflicted. Well, if you poke a riot cop and he shoves you over, is that not self-inflicted, right?

But I didn't say he deserved it. But self-inflicted is spot on, right? And it turns out that he was a grifter. Turns out the whole thing was fake. I didn't know it at the time. But the blood coming out of his ear was fake. I've got videos of him arguing with people saying, I'm going to go get the cops.

I'm going to go pick a fight with them. And people are saying, Why would you do that? This is not fun. What are you doing? I've got a video of that. I got a picture of him behind the ambulance talking on a cell phone. And I checked to make sure it was the different ear than the blood squirted out at least.

Right. And I talked to doctors. They said blood would not just squirt out. You hit your head. Pressure could build. You could get blood, but it's not going to be like, right? It's not going to be in the first second. And it turns out that CNN couldn't find the guy.

He's in the hospital. He's in a coma. He's recovering. Blah, blah, blah. No one could get to him. His lawyer kept saying he's recovering. He made a fortune. While he was supposedly in a coma, his Twitter feed was getting cleaned up because he had

all sorts of fuck the police all over it. And so he was rapidly going through his Twitter feed to clean it up. And he made a ton of money on GoFundMe. And the cops got exonerated. Cornell denounced me on that one. It stopped the cancel. But I wrote about it. And the only time I've ever criticized Cornell

was on this topic because they shouldn't have. First of all, they were wrong in the facts, as now you know. Second of all, they were wrong because the president, university, who signed the letter along with the provost, who's a friend of mine, I'm going, oh, thanks, Mike. The chief of police who was defending the police,

and then a couple others. The noticeably absent one turned out to be the dean of arts and sciences, my boss. And it turns out that he had once said to me, if you don't have free speech, what could his tenure? I think he would have been the most logical person to be a co-signer and he was missing. I think he said, fuck you, I'm not signing.

So Cornell said that what I say did not represent Cornell's values. They didn't say what I said. You know why? Because there's nothing there. Right? But they said it doesn't represent Cornell's values. Now, they're wrong in that count too. The reason they're wrong in that count is because anything that you would call a Cornell value would be constitution level. Like it would be we support free speech. I'll let I'll let her say that's a Cornell value. But she can't say that I think the cops were right in some way is against Cornell values. She can't speak for me. She can't speak for my country. She can say this is something I find appalling and with the gravitas of

the presidency, backing her, have an effect maybe. But she can't speak for Cornell's values unless it's one of those really, really basic principles of academia. And that sure's how it was not. Then this year, one of my colleagues said that he was exhilarated, when exilarated, when Hamas attacked Israel. And I'm going, that's dumb. That's just stupid.

I, however, thought you'd just, just let him say it and you just ignore it. And the alum's got mad and stuff. The world got mad. It got national press. But she denounced him too. And I'm going, you know, I could kind of sort of understand why she might because being a president of university during this mess has really been hard.

She, by the way, has resigned. And she didn't just resign because, oh, yeah, this is a logical time to resign. There are reasons that I happen to know that she resigned. And I'm not saying. what they are, but but one of the things you're, I think an underlier of your story is pressure.

Pressure, but it's from a very small percentage. But it doesn't but that's the weird thing, Dave. That is, that's the extremely weird thing about this. Why are we wired that one person on a Twitter account

can emit such a feeling across a whole group of people. And then that can come avalanching down on said person. It's very interesting when you think about it. Well, if the internet had not been invented, would we be able to do this? No.

Right. And the thing is, is like, most people don't deal with that pressure. They go, you know, like, we just go along and get along. Most human beings, right? There's certain people that are wired and want the fight. There's grifters that are looking to, you know, work the system in their favor and have no, I don't know, is it any morality? Like, I don't know what the word is. Like, that, you know, like, I guess I just, I like sweat at equity.

I like working for what I get. And I think most people understand who I am. That's racist, Sean. Sure. A meritocracy. Are you kidding me? That's racist. By the way, every podcast I do know I end up here, so I might as well get here fast.

If you want to understand the world, stop reading about politics, stop reading about economics, start reading about authoritarianism. Start reading books about how it shows up, how it enters the scene. One of the great books that triggered me to say this, that someone in a conversation, a Zoom call from Europe, said to me, said, oh, you have to read Eric Koffer's the true believer. So Eric Hoffer's the true believer, 1953, written by a guy at one point was homeless, right? So this guy came out of nowhere. And he describes mass movements. And he points out that the foot soldiers, the big crowd, the Nazis, right? The people who do the most destruction are the bottom of the food chain.

These are the dregs of society. These are the people who say, I got nothing to lose. try something else. By also by signing off on a movement, climate change is a good example. Oh, I'm saving the world. Now, what does that do? It makes you feel more important. Now, I will state unequivocally. Maybe I'm wrong, but climate change is a total piece of crap. The whole story is an unadulterated piece of crap. Now, I believed it. I told friends who would ask me about it. I'd say, well, everyone I know believes it.

So what am I going to do? Right? These are smart guys, right? And then someone finally poked me and said, well, how do you know? I said, well, every credible scientist in the world thinks it's true. He said, oh, no, they don't. So I said, send me names, right? And I'm expecting them to send me some douchebags that would not convince me of anything.

They could be real smart, right? Well, the smartest guys ever met with the third grade. brain-educated bean picker. So I do not confuse education with brains. Boy, you get used to that idea being at a school where I was supposed to be smart. But he sends me a bunch of names, and they're not from Sheboygan State College. They're from Caltech, Harvard, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, MIT. And I go, okay, but these guys probably didn't say climate change was bullshit. They probably shot down a model, which is what we do in science. And then the deniers, that would be me now,

picked up on that and said, oh, therefore it's not true. You go, no, that means nothing, right? So I look up these names. That's not the story. These are very prominent people, former presidential advisors, former provost at Caltech, solar physicists, you name is saying, climate change is bullshit. So then what you discover is the first,

The very, very big first lie, is that there's no credible scientists who don't sign off. You go, I can name for you solar physicists all over the world. I can name for you Nobel Prize winners in physics. Then 2022 Nobel Prize winner physics didn't publicly express his opinion. And then also he came out of left field and said, oh, by the way, this is a complete load of crap. They can't even model clouds. How the hell do they think they're getting these numbers? The provost at Caltech said, said, said, there's no way you can make these predictions based on this quality of data.

A physicist at Stanford said, if you propagate error, the readings are five times the estimate. The error bar on the readings are five times the estimate. You start seeing oceanographers and things like that saying there is no evidence, none, that there are increased in severe or numbers of weather events. There's no evidence that this is the hottest time in history. The evidence is to the contrary. It was hotter in the 30s.

It was way hotter in the Middle Ages. And so you get bullshit like this. And if you just do a quick YouTube search of the largest volcanoes to ever go off, there's like a top 10. There's all these great top 10 videos. So I got three young kids, Dave. And you just,

And if you go watch it, they'll tell you how much it raised the temperature of the entire earth and for how long. And you're like, oh, my God. By the way, there's a great book called Crackatoa, which is great. We learned so much trying to understand stuff like that. So other books, Matthias Desmond's psychology of totalitarianism. Edward Bernays, 1926, 1928 treatise on propaganda. Michael Malice's book on how the Soviet Union formed and how it consumed itself. So you have to start reading these and then you go, oh my God, that's what I'm seeing.

That's what I'm seeing right here. Then you start paying attention to guys like James Lindsay, who I like to swap emails with. He's coming to Alberta here in June. I'm going to get to see him again. James's biggest problem is he's so damn smart. And he's become such a scholar of the field of wokeism, right? And what I call the SJDBs, the social justice douchebags, he's such a scholar now. He really, he really talks about it at the level sort of a university faculty member.

And he's a mathematician, so he is smart. But because of that, and I don't know if he knows this or not, but he shoots over the head of most people now. And I think he might know and say, look, I am going up to the sort of scholarship level to destroy these stupid ideas. He might know that. For the common man, I'd say read Chris Rufo's book, which is much more sort of ground level, Joe six-pack. Oh, my God, what a bunch of douchebags, right? Chris Rufo's books very good. So I got to read about this stuff.

How do you, you know, scholarly guy you are, you sit there, you have, you rattle off all these books. Do you just, like, are you the guy that picks up a book and you can rattle off a book in a day? Or is it like, no, I have, I literally have to prioritize what books I'm going to do. I'm a slow reader. How do you prioritize it? It's interesting for me to ask, I guess, in a weird way, because, you know, over the course of a lifetime, you go, I don't know, I picked up these books. But do you have a way where you're like, you know what? you got to read.

Because when you mention the true believer, and I see 1950s attached to it, I'm like, I'm very interested by that. I was just saying before we started, World War II. There's something about that time from about the 1925 to 1960.

Maybe I'm getting my ears a little bit off. But, you know, there's been so many books come out of that time. And right now, I, well, it's because in the 20s and 30s, especially the 30s,

There was, I would say, a legitimate debate about whether society should be structured, sort of ground up in a free market sort of way, versus top down in a centralized overseeing sort of way. And the capitalists had gone through the Industrial Revolution, but we're in the middle of the Great Depression. And it really looked like capitalism had screwed the pooch. One could argue central banker screwed that pooch. I make the argument, you know how the right wing hates FDR, right? He brought in the welfare saying this and that. I have an alternative view of FDR, although I have not yet read his biography.

And it depends who writes it, too. That's another thing. But I think FDR knew what he was doing. And I think he recognized that if we don't come in big and strong for the little guy, we're going to lose. We're going to lose to the Trotskyites. We're going to lose to the commie dogs. We have to put safety nets under these guys. The forgotten man, Amity Schley's the forgotten.

gotten man. And so then to answer your question, how do I choose what to read? I tell my class, every class, I tell them this. And as I say, you know, those those budge you have in your ears and you're listening to crap, I said, dump that crap and start listening to audiobooks. Now, I discovered them by chance. I'm a slow reader. I'm a very slow reader. And so getting through a book is hard. And I'm almost to the point where that book would have to be amazing to get me to read it because I got too many long-form blogs and stuff to read and stuff like that. So I ordered Secretary of the Treasury O'Neill's book when he left the Bush White House. When he left, he wrote a book about the Bush White House because I wanted to find out what the hell that administration

was doing. And it showed up as CDs. And I was trying to figure how to send it back. to Amazon. It was in its infancy, right? And I did not. And if I said, screw it, I just, just listen to it. And as soon as I started listening, I go, this is my medium. So what I point as I have a 12 to 15 minute commute. That's 30 minutes round trip. My wife says, would you go to the store? It's like her saying, would you read for 10 minutes? Yeah. She, she, I've never turned her down on running an errand because I just get in the car and turn on my audio book. Why not? Right. Holy shit. That's like saying, hey, Dave, your wife saying, hey, Sean, would you please sit on the couch and watch football for an hour? Right?

And you go, okay, you know, if you insist, right? I can get through an audio book in a couple weeks. And if I drive five hours or something, then boom, round trip, I got one. So I can do about 25 a year. Well, I don't do it during productive times. I do it during times or otherwise I'd be sitting there playing talk radio or something. Yeah, it's, it's interesting because I discovered audiobooks, pretty much when I first started the podcast. I was driving up.

How long ago? How long ago? 2019, 2018, somewhere in there. I was driving upwards of, well, five to seven hours a day working in the Canadian oil field. And you are a ranger. So I was literally running through, I got to the point where I was like, I just, I got to have some silent time so i'd go days where i'd just drive in complete silence because i was taking in so much i was you know information by uh fire hose but now now i don't do the commute anymore right now i'm lucky if i

get probably a half an hour of driving during the day and no no no but that's all i got true and and the only thing i i put in there is i'm lucky to get half an hour if i don't have the kids with me because the kids uh take over but in saying that i found different ways walking the dog or doing the dishes at night I do the dishes and I put it on and and and away you go. Yes. You got to have headphones because you got to be able to walk around the kitchen and not lose the signal. That's right. And so I've been I've been picking my way through Atlas Shrugged because if anybody's ever picked up Atlas Shrugged,

I think the audiobook is 50-some hours. It is not for the faint of heart. I did the audiobook. It's fantastic. It's like I can't. I can't wait. I don't think it's 50 hours. I'd remember 50 hours.

50 hours. I'll pull it up right now. Pull it up. I'm pulling it up. Maybe I did the abridged. Audible. I have 36 hours and 44 minutes left of Atlas Shrugged, and I've listened to, I believe. There it is.

I have, it's a, Atlas Shrugged is a long book. I just don't remember it. I don't remember being that long. Now, I'll tell you what are long books. So I was in the store one day and I was buying some piece of electronic equipment. I'm chatting with a guy. I was chatting with a guy sitting in a diner today about inflation. He's just sitting there.

I said, okay, you're a man on the street. Let me ask you this question. What's inflation? I asked them what owners rent equivalent. I said, does it make sense that the inflation numbers are measured by asking homeowners to tell you how much they could rent their house for? And that's how they get the cost of owning a house. This is nuts, right?

He goes, oh, that's suddenly not. I asked what's the inflation rate. He turns out to work on, he's in the road crew world and he knows the price of things. He says, oh, it's huge. I said, yeah, so three and a half percent's not the number, is it? And so Alice Shrugged is really that big. I don't see the, there you go. 52 hours, you're right.

There must be an abridged. Right there, Atlas Shrugged, when I do a quick Google search, it says 62 hours and 56 minutes. I didn't think it was that long. I don't think that was worth it. I didn't like Alice Shrugged that much. I find Atlas shrugged really fascinating. Well, it was interesting, but it's 52 hours. That's the problem.

52 hours is a big chunk of my mind. Fair enough. But I'm a strong believer, Dave, of it doesn't matter if a book is two hours, 52 hours. If it grabs your attention, it's a good book. And it's obviously hitting you exactly where you need to be hit because I've, I've picked up books that people have said, oh, you've got to read this. And you go read it? And you're like, I don't know.

So I just finished Victor Davis-Hanson books on. I think it's called the end of everything. And he talks about four empires that collapsed abruptly and unexpectedly because they all thought they were impenetrable, right? There's a take-home message here for those of us sitting in the U.S. And I believe if you sat there and watched an hour or two of Victor Davis Hansen being interviewed about the book, you'd get essentially what the book is. Part of it's because when you're reading about, you know, the Macedonians, taking out the Thebians, the detail that Hansen goes into is just not, it just shoots over your head. After 9-11, I went through probably a half a dozen

books on the Middle East. And I just, it just didn't stick. There wasn't a stickiness to it because it's just so foreign. And then I realized, nobody understands the Middle East. And as a consequence, I'm never going to understand it. So I was told by my secretary who had a piece, PhD in medieval history. I asked her, why'd you go into that? And she said, well, in high school, we were doing history in it. And we went from the Roman Empire to the Renaissance. And she says, I raised my hands on what happened in between?

And the teacher said, nothing. So the bottom line is there are books where you could go to Wikipedia and kind of get what you need. And then there are those where it really sort of fills your brain. One day I was sitting there watching Jeopardy with my son. It's really funny. And they said, Alex Trebek says, one of two kings in England whose name was used only once, obviously on Henry VIII, right? And I'm sitting there with my son.

He's about 18. I go, I said King John, King Stephen. And those were the two names. And he looked at me like I beamed down from another planet, not realizing that I had just finished a book on the kings and queens of England. If you're a shitty king, if you do something people don't like, they don't reuse your name. They don't do another King John, not after the Magna Carta. And King Stephen apparently was a total fuck up.

So in any event, I urge youngsters to start this at 22 years old. Yeah, well, I mean, one of the greatest things as a parent you can do is foster a love of reading in your children. because like there is so much knowledge to be gained so many you know I was saying I think I don't know if we started here if it was just before we started I think it was just before we started one of the things I'm noticing coming out of the 50s and in that timer as you pointed out things going on is you get to a point where you're trying to explain to people what's going on in society but it's so insane that you see you know like animal farm or or 1980s. I've never read animal farm yet. I've read animal. No, I've got it on my wish list.

Animal Farm is probably a one-day read. It's like, I don't know, is it, is 120 pages? I don't know, it's a thin book. And it's just a, it's just a lovely little story. And what I'm learning is, and I don't think this is some, it's an impanfinite. also free by the way there you go right they're giving it away like come on um is i'm learning i think at some point the world gets so insane that people just filtered out and the people that are sitting there these writers are like well i'm just going to create a fictional story and i'm going to give that book out i'm going to have fun little characters that people can get along with and they're going to be like this is a wild story this would never happen meanwhile It's a mirror image of what's going on. There's a message in it.

There's a message in it. Right. So here's the other thing related to that. So I think you can tell a story. We talked about fictionalizing reality where Hollywood does it. And for every Alex Jones theory, there is a movie like what's it called eyes wide shut or something? Eyes wide shut. About Satanus.

Well, if you start reading about Satanus, you discover that movie's pretty damn close. to some reality that you do not want to be reading about. You talk about born identity, you go, oh, that's that's CIA shit. That's M.K. Ultra shit. Born identity. Matt Damon was a product of M.K. Ultra, the brainwashing of a guy named Jolly West and his buddies at Langley, who I think are still running the program. I actually think all the school shootings are M.K. Ultra.

I don't think they're just kids. I think they're- Why do you think that? Well, first of all, there's always something fishy with a story. There's always something fishy with a story. Vegas, for example, the Vegas shootings fall apart from head to toe. The Vegas shootings, I've written on it, I've done podcasts on it. Every single aspect of the Vegas shooting says this is not what they said. The Vegas shooting is the concert, correct?

That's right. 500 people shot, 50-something died. Biggest shooting in history. When there was the last time, someone of importance, mentioned the biggest shooting as part of we need to have gun control. Never. The biggest shooting in our history since the Civil War. And no one mentioned it. You know why? Because they blew that one. They blew that one badly. And so I wrote extensively about it. It turns out Tucker Carlson got on it.

Tucker Carlson was smelling it too. And he was doing shows. I go, you're getting it, you're getting it, you're getting it. Come on, come on, come on, keep going. And Colter was sort of on it. Then I did a podcast guy named John Cullen who figured out, and I think he might be right. John Cullen's been on. That's how I first stumbled on you was John Cullen, because John Cullen's been on twice. Right. Now, John is from Oracle, I think. He's a number cruncher to Oracle.

He says his algorithms were what was used to predict the outcomes of the Kent pandemic. Yes. But John, John, I think, put together a pretty good case that the Saudis were the shooters, actually. And they were trying to take out Muhammad bin Salman. And they blew it. And I go, I don't know how they blew it. But John ignores details that occurred at ground level that don't make sense. He kind of says, oh, that's not the key part.

And I'm going, no, you have to explain that part. You can't just say that doesn't matter. If there's shit happening at ground level, there's something else going on here, John. But I think the Saudis might have been the guys in the helicopters behind the Mandalay Bay shooting. I think that's it. I think Stephen Paddock didn't fire a shot. But you can go all the way back to Alex Jones's Sandy Hook. Now, he got fried by this.

And I have no idea where his story went off the rails and where there's truthful. The thing that I think is true is that on the scene, you get the best information within the first few minutes when people show up with, with cameras and iPhones and stuff and say, what just happened? And you get, like if you look at 9-11, for example, The people coming out of the towers with dust all over them, kills the towers, they're the ones talking about bombs in the basement and things like that. They're the ones telling the story about what really get to the point where you say 9-11's crap.

So one of the things about the shootings is they almost always have reports of more than one shooter, and then it reduces to one shooter. And then one day I'm reading about Vegas. And CBS News wrote an, I think it was CBS. It was one of the big three, wrote an article about how Stephen Paddock's hard drive was missing. I said, I wrote about it, and I'm a bit of a wise ass, I'm told. I said, don't you hate it when you lose your hard drive? Right.

And then CBS says, but this is not that weird. Because they listed about five other shooters, and they said they're hard. drives were missing too. I go, oh, I'm supposed to feel better about that? That's one of those things where I can name for you like these little tidbits that are amazing that should get into people's skulls and go, what? Like, how many cops do you think were at January 6th? If you had to take a gas space on footage, 150 maybe?

Sure. How many cops died? One? No. One died that night. They said the rioters killed him. But then there's footage of him walking around looking healthy as shit. And his family said he died or whatever later that night.

That seems weird. He was like a 45-year-old cop. So that in itself seems like an improbable event. You go, hmm, hmm, why did the guy die? Would he get vaccinated or something? No, that was too early. Right. And it turns out four Capitol Police committed suicide.

For Capitol Police committed suicide. Mm-hmm. Hard to explain that. And I've had people say, well, you know, it was a very pressured day. I go, no, that wasn't pressure. I'll tell you why I wasn't pressure. There was some scuffles where the cops sort of got into a scuff. Then you get that pussy, Phonone, who claims he was a great danger.

He's just up there. And there's pictures of him with Pelosi, all these guys. He's just a prop. But there were scuffles as occurs, like on a Friday night and a box. a Friday night in a bar, right, where tempers flare. Why were you looking at my girlfriend sort of fights that didn't need to break out? And it turns out that if you're a cop at January 6th, the one thing you are surrounded by, surrounded by is people who support the police.

The cops really were among friends at January 6th. So who was causing the trouble? Well, there's some of us who think those were feds, a lot of them, you know, Ray Epps. Remember who filmed Ashley Babbitt getting shot? John Sullivan, this black guy, had kind of, kind of an Antifa pass. He seemed to be president, Antifa. He happens to be the guy who I knew who John Solomon was. And often he's the one who filmed Ashley Babette getting shot.

I go, oh, what are the odds? I actually had seen footage of Ashley Babette ranting before she got shot. I go, what are the odds? This is weird. And then I watched this video footage and some guy picked up on this. I go, oh my God, he collected all the video footage from around Ashley's shooting. And the whole thing looks staged. The whole thing looks staged.

And I'm trying to write about it. And it turns out it's visual. And I can't write about it. And I show it to a friend of mine who was pre-IPO Netscape, wrote JavaScript, create a brave, smart guy, right? I show it to my brother. And they're watching this video. I see what your point is.

I'm not sure. But like there's footage of Ashley Babbitt being taking down the stairs by her arms and legs with their backpack still on. Like a what? That's weird. Then they're doing CPR. A neck shot doing CPR, that'll work well. That'll work really well. You watch the footage and there's all this chaos.

There's guys moving their body around. Nobody is providing health care. No one is saying, you know, ripping off the shirt, put the, you know, putting, putting pressure on the wound. Nobody. It's all just yelling and screaming. And then there's a guy. He's trying to open up a gauze. The guy who discovered these tapes and said, look at this.

This is fucked up. He's watching this one guy. He's trying to open up a medical kit. And he's trying to get this piece of gauze open. And in the chaos, he's going to look at him. He's going to look at that. He's opening the gauze. And then he finally gets the gauze out. What's he do? He wipes off her jacket with it. You know, what the fuck? You watch people in the crowd. And you go, those guys know each other. You watch the guy who smashed through the window.

You get a guy with a fire extinguisher. And the cop step aside. And the guy smashes his way through the window. As soon as he gets through the window, he scampers down the stairs. there's footage of him behind the cops taking down his backpack, taken out a shirt and changing his shirt. What's that all about? Right? So there's just this weird shit. And then I decided not to write about it. And I wrote a couple of paragraphs and said, here are the links.

You go do it yourself. I can't write about this. But there's something funny going on. The blood splattered. There was about a shot class with the blood from a neck shot. Really from a neck shot, you get a literally a public. about this big. And some guy steps in it. It's a crime scene. And one of the cops step in it. The whole thing's nuts. There's no blood splatter on the walls. And then this year, Cheryl Atkisson

takes it on. Cheryl Atkisson, who is a hero, she gets two federal cops and they go through the footage. And the cops are going, that would never happen. That would never happen. That's insane. went through it and I told Cheryl I said you missed some stuff and Jesus is what I missed. I told her things she missed. Now who's John Sullivan? I've got pictures of John Sullivan after January 6 sitting on a stoop at night by taking in what happened that day. And it's him and about six cops. That's a funny bunch of guys would be sitting around together. I've got footage of him talking to Ray Epps. Now if there is a Fed in the crowd, it is Ray Epps. Now there were feds. They finally have admitted there were feds.

But were they causing trouble? Well, Ray Epps sure as hell was. When Merrick Garland under oath was asked to comment about Ray Epps, he refused to. So the feds were in there causing trouble. I've got footage of John Sullivan talking to Ray Epps. Now, who is Antifa? Antifa are a bunch of low-lifes, right? Real Antifa would be a person who gets into Antifa

would be a person whose life sucks, right? Eric Hoffers, the march, the troops who've got nothing to show for their lives, but they feel important because now they've got something to show for their lives. Okay. So that would be John Sullivan in theory. John Sullivan turns out to be a nationally ranked cyclist. No shortage of self-esteem there. No shortage of sense of purpose. Would a guys of national cyclics, nationally ranked cyclists be Antifa or FBI?

FBI. Right. I mean, if you're giving me the choice. He just got convicted. Now, I don't know how that's going to play it because I've been watching that carefully to see what happened. And he did just get convicted. Now, here's another funny one. The guy with the horns, right?

QAnon shaman. I got a real funny punchline in this one. So he was showing up everywhere, right? And they said, oh, he's unstable. I go, what subtle hint are you taking to draw that conclusion, right? So he goes in the building and then as we saw Tucker Carlson released footage inside the building that showed he got led through the building by the cops to get to where he got to. Without even a court case, he got out of jail. Without even having to go in front of a judge, he got out of a four and a half year jail sentence because that footage showed up.

Where's the rest of that footage? Let's ask that question. 41,000 hours of footage that the Republicans have had, Tucker's had, everyone's had, they've not released. it there's people rotting in prison i would like to knock joe biden's teeth out for gloating about that so so so um so so the bottom line is there's there's this guy now qananan shaman therefore is this odd character i've got pictures of him in january 6th with known ukrainian nationalists what are they doing there and i would make the argument, my first guess, the odds of being right or slim, because there's so many possibilities. But I would say, well, you bring in some Ukrainians who cause trouble, they certainly know how to do that.

And by the way, when they're done, you cap them. You don't need them. They're expendable. So Ukrainians would be really useful. Now, so there's pictures of John Sullivan, of the Q&N shaman with Ukrainians. Now, I've been digging into pedophile networks as a, as a, as a, as a, you know, and a controlling force of geopolitics. And I've been networking with intelligence operatives and things like that to try to get some help. I'm networking with guys who profess to be victims of these

pedophile networks. They're on Twitter. They're in various places. And I'm slowly but truly building out this web of connectivity, which I haven't yet really exploited. I've been just reading. I'm in a Twitter spaces with a couple of the big players. A woman named Liz Crocken, who's tip of the spear. She's out there. She's like Liz Crocken.com. She is always accusing pedophiles of being pedophiles and networks. And she talks about all the Hollywood pedophiles.

And she really goes out there and lays it on the line. I worry I'm misreading her role. I worry that she looks like one of the good guys, but we're being duped. I worry about that a little bit. She might be the controlled opposition. But I'm on a Twitter spaces. I'm not actively involved. I'm just a listener.

And QAnon Shaman's there. That's a little on the weird side. And then they go to Jacob Chansley, Kuwaitan Shaman, and he starts talking. And he knows this world. He can walk to walk and talk to talk. So the Qan Shaman who got to the Capitol, who got out of prison, who's with the Ukrainian nationals also knows of pedophile networks. Seems very odd to me.

So Alex Jones wasn't wrong. He was early. The QAnon Shaman, just so I'm clear, the dude with the helmet, the face paint, that's what we're talking about. Yes? Yeah, wearing like a loin cloth or something. Yeah. He shut up in a Twitter space on pedophile networks, and he knew what he was talking about. So your theory is the way he gets out of everything. he knows how the game is played and how things are tied together. Or he's part of the game.

Where does he show up originally? Do you know? No. I had seen him a bunch of times. Someone sent me a pot. You know the Patriot Front guys? Yes. Yeah.

So they look like feds, right? I don't know. Do they? They look like feds. Okay. They look. They look. Okay.

So here's a bunch of guys who cannot help but march and step. So they look military. They're all young. They're all fit. No beer guts. They got arrested one day and it was farcical. And the pictorial record of this is brilliant. They've got these guys handcuffed. And federal agents have commented on this too. They still have their masks on. Their hands are behind their backs. They didn't even take their backpacks off, which might have, I don't know, pipe bombs? One guy still got his megaphone over shoulder with his handcuffs behind his back. Or some federal cops says, we'd take the belt, we take the mask, we'd take

the helmets, we'd take everything, we would then handcuff them. Of course. And there's this picture, this photo op, and then there's photo op for them doing their things like they'll parade around. And then they'll go down into the subway station to get out. And there'll be cops there to make sure no one follows them, stopping people. There's cops helping control traffic while the Patriot Front are packing up into the back of U-Hauls to go home. So these guys are feds. They might also have some foreign nationals in there. There is that accusation. Now someone sent me a podcast of the main man, the top guy who doesn't wear a mask. And the title of the podcast, and something like the so-and-so is not a fed.

And then it says he just had this, he just had this cock-eyed idea about race. And I go, you tell me the guy who runs Patriot Front has now decided his Nazi flavor was just him being misguided. It's just insanity. And so there's all these weird things that happen. And I, we're being gaslit. And I can no longer separate fact from fiction.

I had a colleague yesterday give me shit because I say the election was rigged. He said, what fact she happened? I said, well, I have facts. And I forgot to mention I'd read Molly, Molly Hemingway's book on rig just to see her view. So I went through the whole damn thing and she laid out all the perforations in the system. She actually stopped sure of saying it was rig. She just shows how perfectly teed up it was to rig and how things don't look good. but she kind of stopped short of saying,

therefore it must have been rigged. But the point being is I tried to say to my colleague, look, the evidence that was rigged is good enough that if we don't straighten that out, we're in trouble as a country. If we can't run an election where both sides say, you know, I hate to say it, but it looks legit. And we lost.

And Donald Trump kind of brought out the rigged. So I tried to say the colleague, look, here's the deal. There's all sorts of evidence that got rigged. And everyone always cites the 61 court cases. Molly Hemingway, by the way, addresses that nicely. But the 61 court cases were 61 times it was never adjudicated. 61 courts threw it out. That's head of the Wisconsin Supreme Court called openly his colleagues

cowards for refusing to take the case. Got thrown out of court, 61 for 61, because this is the power structure saying, you do not touch this, period. And do you want to be the judge who caused the election to flip over? No. So you just say, okay, this is above my pay grade. Not taking it. And so it never got adjudicated.

And so we never had this discovery, fact finding, let's get to the bottom of it. But what I can tell you is I think the data looks really good. Now, my argument I was trying to make to him and he thought it was an appalling way on scientific argument. was that they did everything imaginable to stop Trump. Both parties did not want Trump. The Republicans had to pretend like they did sort of, right? At first, they didn't at all. But then once he was president, he kind of had to pretend.

So there's a bunch of guys who kind of pretend to be maggot. They're tying himself to Trump's wagon because his wagon's got momentum. I tell you what, if you stand up and you say, Maga sucks, you're never going to get another office as a Republican. And so the Republicans didn't want Trump in the White House, right? Can you name a Republican you say with confidence they support the Donald? Maybe Marjorie Taylor Green, maybe, maybe Gates, but very, very few. And so when it came time, they did everything with their power to hurt Trump, everything, the fake dossier, stunning role of the FBI and doing it. you know, hiding the Hunter's laptop, everything imaginable.

We were locked down. They had mail and ballots, but they didn't remember, didn't, or didn't rig the election. You're saying they showed the restraint to not rig that election, and the answer is no. And the evidence is they didn't. I mean, there's evidence. There's hard video evidence. But I don't need evidence, actually. I just need to know that they showed they would do anything they had to do.

Now, Donald Trump got interviewed, Donald Trump Jr. got interviewed. by Tucker Carlson. It was a fascinating interview because he is biased. He is Donald Trump's son. But he's also at ground zero of this current court case. So there's a guy who can say what the Trump side's view is and here's why it's Donald Trump Jr. And he's smart too. He's not dumb. And he said the mistake we've made and that the Republicans and those who support the Constitution, those who support freedom, and those who say, say you're a patriot, it's like saying you're a pedophile, right? I mean, it's a kind of a dirty word to the left. I'm a patriot. Wow, you must be a Nazi then. He said, what people assumed was that there was some line they

would not cross, and there is no such line. Now contemporaneous with that, Tucker Carlson was being interviewed by someone else. He says, look, they did A, they did B, they did C, they did D. Look, the next step, is assassination. Now, I don't know if that's true, but I certainly can't say it's not true. And then what happens if he gets assassinated? Well, there'll be this big uproar. They'll blame it on some white supremacist, and then we'll move on because that's what we always seem to do. Do you think that, do you, my brain goes a different way if they assassinate Donald Trump? Well, I gave you the optimist's view. My brain goes where your brain goes. I think we could reach a lock and load moment. I don't know what happened. I had Martin Armstrong on. Oh,

there's an interesting one. What was that? Had Martin Armstrong on? It must have been a month ago, because it was right around the corner. There's a historical diddy. I had a few exchanges with Martin while he was in prison. Really? Yeah, it had to go through his daughter. He won't even remember probably, but sure. He was writing blogs from prison by hand script. What did your take on Martin Armstrong before I, I can't tell. I expel my thoughts. thought. His confidence in his computer models of society strike me as too confident. He's got this. Society's going to do this. Society's an emergent system, right? It's so unpredictable. But he's, he's worth listening to. Yes. Very worth listening to. Yeah, right. So the last time, last time, last time I had him on, I was talking

a boat, I was asking him a boat, you know, like, what sets it off? Like, obviously it can't be something boom and it just off we go, right? And he's like, actually, you know, like when you look at history, it's, you know, sometimes it's very inconsequential things. It's just absolutely way we go. Right. And you look at the stage that is being set right now. Oh. There's like, honestly, at this point, Dave, I feel like it could be a thousand things pretty inconsequential that just erupt. So what started Arab Spring? What started Arab Spring? Do you remember? I don't. So Arab Spring is when the whole Arab world went nuts, Mubarak, lost power. You know, it was really busting apart at the seams.

Watching our State Department trying to field questions was really interesting because it was clear that the U.S.'s control over the chessboard was now at phenomenal risk because just shit was happening too fast. It was started when some pissed off Tunisia let himself on fire in front of a government building. I referred to him as one unbelievably flammable Tunisian. And that started it. It was like when, you know, I think the beginning of the end of the Vietnam War is when monks burned themselves. Do you think they want to start it then? And I mean like Biden's administration? Because you look at it and I go like it could go a thousand different ways.

And if all of a sudden chaos breaks out everywhere, they get to be the authoritarian control to try and restore order and do a bunch of different things. that normally human beings would not allow. But if all of a sudden, there's things happening everywhere, well, then they get, they're the government. They're going to come in and try and restore order. So I have several answers. One is we don't know who they is. I'm in a Zoom group that was largely focused at COVID,

but it was a heterogeneous group. I'm not a doctor, so I was an oddity there. There were virologists, there were lawyers. and it was doctors for COVID ethics or something. I can't even remember the name. They meet twice a week and I jump in occasionally. I've given several talks to the group. And one day we're talking about the virus, possible release, possible, you know, who created

the vaccine, you know, that sort of thing. And I said, I said, who's that? Well, the first thing that happened is there's this. the spectacled guy. I don't know if I should name names. He's kind of public, but I'm not sure I should name. He's on Twitter. He's got about 5,000 followers.

I'll tell you, maybe off, off radar. I've got a couple of intelligence guys who you wouldn't know who they were. If you looked at Twitter, you go, well, he just seems like some generic guy. Peter Schweitzer in his book referred to a Canadian athlete in Wuhan in the fall. And I knew from that limited information, who the guy was, I'd had lunch with him, right? With the Canadian athlete? with a Canadian athlete. It turns out he's Canadian Intel. And he reached out to me at one point. And we got to be pretty good friends. And he told me what was happening in Wuhan in October

at the world military games. And everyone got sick. And there were no Asians in sight. He said, the Chinese were noticeably missing from the Olympic-like village. It was just Westerners. And the athletes all got sicker and shit. How would you start a pandemic? Well, giving it to a global athletic competition would be a good way. Right. So, so he reached out to me at first I thought it was a nutball. He turns out he's at one of the war colleges in Canada. And I talk to him about what he sees. He says, if you talk to guys at my level, they're nervous. He says, when I get to talk to people above my pay grade, they're scared chilless about what's happening in the world. So, um, So in any case, I'm on this Dr. Zoom group.

And one guy, the spectacle guy, starts babbling about Hegelian philosophy. We're kind of listening to him. And he's talking about Hegelian dialectic and all this shit. And at first, I'm thinking, this guy's gone off the rails. And then he's starting to make sense to me for some reason. I'm going there's, this is going somewhere. And someone interrupts him and says, Stephen, his name is Stephen. Are you a professor of philosophy or something?

He says, no, it turns out I'm trained as a lawyer, but I'm former. NSA analyst. Whoa, plot thickener, right? And he said, it turns out the Arabs basically follow Hegelian philosophy. And if, and he said, those of us who analyzed what was going on in the Arab world, if you didn't understand Hegelian philosophy, you, for example, would be like the guy who doesn't know what James Lindsay knows about the woke studying the woke. So you have to know their language. You have to know how they think. They have to know what the shit means.

And he says, we all had to know Hegel and philosophy like the back of our hand to understand it when we were sort of spooking in on the Arabs talking to each other because it was their dialect. And it was a different vocabulary, but the philosophy was there. And so later on one day, we're talking about a they. And I said, Stephen, who's they? I can't even remember which it was, is where the virus. whatever we're talking about a day and he said i don't like to name names this is a fundamentally

important idea that i've expanded upon way past what he said he says i don't like to name names because if i name a name then you'll say okay let's say i say bill gates created the virus he says now you think you understand and you stop thinking and i translated that in never draw conclusion that allows you to stop thinking so someone will talk about the uniparty and I'll stop them in their tracks. And I'll say, you know, that's a kind of an intellectually lazy way to say they're all just together. And you're taking a very complex system and you're trying to simplify it. And it's not that simple.

It's like when someone calls you a conspiracy theorist, they're trying to get you to stop thinking. They're trying to get you to, they're trying to get you off the track. And so there's a lot of ways that we inhibit ourselves from keeping our minds open. And that's what Stephen taught me. And one day in the same group, and this guy is public, a guy named Tony Schaffer shows up as a speaker. This group had some very powerful people so we could get visiting guests. You name someone who's an anti-vaxxer. I guarantee you that person went to this group at one time or another.

I was watching the Senate hearings by Senator Johnson. I'm looking at the guys testifying. I go, I know half these guys. I mean, I don't know them, know them. But I've been in Zoom calls with them and ask some questions and stuff, right? And a couple of them I've known for years. And so in any event, so this guy named Tony Schaffer shows up whose Department of Defense Intelligence.

He's a lieutenant colonel. First thing he says, he says, I'm not, I'm not a lieutenant colonel. I didn't go up to the ranks. They just gave that to me. That's essentially what was my cover. what was my sort of my you know above the fold sort of nomenclature he says but i never really was to look down in colonel um and he's very outspoken i was fact checking me he's talking about he says oh i'm doing this with rumsfeld this with this and he's like listening to jeff sax

talk about geopolitics you go this guy has seen been there done that right and i'm fact here he's absolutely legitimate and i get to the end of the conversation and i said tony i said i'm I'm interested in the role that pedophilia plays in controlling geopolitics. Because to me, there's this unseeing force. You've described it. Where they're doing things, you go, it doesn't make sense. Leaving the southern border doesn't make sense for anybody who has the most foundational level belief in our system.

Why would they do that? Right? There's no, oh, you get voters, bullshit. That's a shitty argument. Just take the election. You did that all. You don't need voters. There's something so surreal.

So to me, it's like there's this gravitational force. And then I go, there must be a black hole out there or something. There's something out there. And I got on this pedophile theme that basically said these guys are not only compromised, which they all are, right? Once you accept some money from someone, you're compromised. But I think some of these guys are compromised like, we've got videos if you haven't sex with a five-year-old compromised.

And he starts talking about Epstein. I go, no, I don't want to talk about FCN. I said, we know that that is a big part of the story because he probably has a thousand clients who were compromised. You know, and he was massaged, clearly CIA probably. And we know he didn't kill himself. We know that. I don't think he's dead, actually.

You don't think Epstein is dead? No, no. The guy that wheeled on a gurney had structural features that didn't match Epstein. There's a profile of him on the gurney. Remember you saw Gurney pictures when he was. came out yeah well if you look at a profile of epstein living epstein and epstein on the gurney the nose is wrong the ear is wrong he's a facsimile and there's other problems with the gurney image like one of the images there's there's the body here and somehow the legs are missing

you know how when they photoshop something and else it's oh there's a a third hand sticking out there you know that sort of thing but um it is it is funny uh not to get you off your thought process because I want you to finish. But up here in Canada, you know, like in the middle of COVID, they had a picture of someone in the ICU. It turned out to be a dummy, like an actual dummy, right? And somebody exposed that. And you're like, what?

Why would you do that? Why would you do that? We know I got on the Vegas shootings. The Vegas shootings is a great case and point. I was watching him out of morbid cure. Remember after 9-11, you're pretty young. You might have been young. You couldn't take your eyes off the TV.

Just video footage after video footage of 9-1. It was like a week of just absorbing footage and implications and things like that. And so I had a little of that after the Vegas shooting. 500 people got shot, right? And so I pick up a YouTube or some guy named Mike Cronk. He's just a hick from Alaska who was at this concert. And they interview him. And he says this friend got shot three times in the chest.

I was later told by a marksman from that distance, the spray would never hit one guy three times. Way too much. That would require a marksman to get him three times in the chest. And the guy was just waving. Peppering the audience. There were surgeons saying there's something wrong with the story because, you know,

guys should be dying in certain ways even after the shooting because when you get hit with one of those guys in the leg, it turns your leg to jello and you die. You bleed out. They say it takes as many getting hit. when they are 15 and takes as many as like 10 surgeries to fix you and stuff like that. So there were people saying there's something wrong with the story right away. But I'm watching this guy named Mike Cronkett interview.

And he talked about his friend who got shot three times. And I didn't know that part of the story. But he says his friend stuck his fingers in his own bullet holes to stop the bleeding. I go, no Mike, now you're lying. The one guy who is not capable of providing medical care to his friend, is his friend. That guy's laying on the ground and he's on desk store, his other friend, Mike, but he said the guy stuck his own fingers in the bullet holes to stop the bleeding. I'm going, why are you lying, Mike? So then Mike finishes. I noticed Mike's not looking that shook.

For a guy who just watch his friend stick his own fingers in his own bullet holes, you'd think he'd be like kind of amped up bug-eyed a little bit. And as YouTube does, 15 seconds later, rolls to the next video and there's a new network interviewing Mike Krant and he tells the story again and he's a little more emotional looking this time and the story changes just a little bit at one point he said they put him on a cart they wheeled them out then they said they put him on the back of the truck will them out I go wait a minute Mike now you're lying again and then the 15 seconds rolls and there's a new network and it's my cronk I'm going to wait a minute. There's 20,000 people at this concert. Now, all we're getting is Mike Cronk.

So it turns out Mike Cronk is just a heck from Alaska. Why Mike Cronk? So then I'm watching all these videos. I started seeing footage of people in the hospital who had been shot. And they're looking pretty good. This is when I was reading the surgeon saying this person wouldn't look pretty good at all. You get shot in the leg. You're fucked. You're in trouble. Right. And some teenage girls said they're going, oh, yeah, it really hurt, you know. It's like, God, it's not like you sprained your ankle at the dance, right? And then they take a camera crew with Mike Crunk to visit his friend. And by the way, at the shooting, there was a woman walking around 45 minutes before the shooting saying,

you're all going to die tonight. And they had to escort her out by the cops. And they're just weird things. Ground level, they were shooting all up and down the strip. The whole thing is crazy. But so Mike Crock goes in with a camera crew. Now, let's just ignore the fact that there's no chance that the guy in the ICU would let a camera crew in.

Right? The guy's got three holes in this chest. He would be in a bed. My wife has had 60 surgeries. I know what hospitals look like. I know what I see us look like. You would not bring a camera crew into the ICU. The only way you'd know he's alive is there'd be some beeping sign tied to the screen saying.

we still have a pulse. There'd be tubes going up every orifice, you know, you name it. He would be in bad shape. They bring in the camera crew, and the guy's got a nasal cannula for oxygen. That's it. And they're chatting. And I go, what do you? Stick in the bullet hole, your fingers in the bullet holes now,

so it doesn't leak air out of your lungs. Right? And they're chatting with them. And then I notice the screen is black. he it's not even plugged in it's not even plugged in so how can they be that smart wait a minute i'm not done yet so it turns out the chief of police who said this was obviously multiple shooters no one guy could do this the very next day of the guy said there was one shooter so he got the message fast there's only one you remember the multiple shooters into one shooter

right always happens he's now president he's now governor of Nevada. One of the other major players from Vegas who was there at the shooting was a big swinging dick at Lahaina last year when the fires broke out. And you got, I don't know what to do with that, but the Lahaina fires have their problems too. By Kronk is a state senator now. He went from shooting elk to being a state senator. Now, maybe that is the progression from shooting elk to state senatorship in Alaska, but that's still pretty weird. But this is the kind of shit that they throw us now. Here's the problem.

They used to try to get away with it, right? They worked very hard to hide the fact that someone cap Kennedy from who knows what direction, right? They don't care now, which is disturbing. Yeah, it's very evident. It's very evident. And what they do is they do a sloppy job. they don't care and then they count critically

on the news media to clean up the details and so the laptop how long did it figure how long it take you to figure out the laptop Hunter's laptop was real how long it take me as soon as they started shit talking it

was about 15 minutes right so in the New York Post says we have Hunter's laptop I go they're not lying that's a big story You couldn't post it on YouTube. No one would talk about it like it was real. They said it's just total Russian collusion shit.

We all know it was real. We knew it was real that day. Is that not election interference? Just to bring up a hot topic of this week, right? That's election interference. That's really big election interference. So this gets back to the authoritarianism. problem. This is not just politics as usual, in my opinion. Here's a funny one.

What? Lee Harvey Oswald, you know who's lawyer? You know who is his lawyer? You know, who is his lawyer? You don't love this. Can I'm a guy named Mark Lane. He was paid for, hired by the Kennedys. Mark Lane to defend Oswald was hired by the Kennedys. Mind bending stuff, isn't it? Now, here's a real good one. M.K. Ultra. I'm reading a book about Charles Manson. And I thought I was nuts to read it. But someone said, oh, you got to read it. And then I thought I've got some good friends. I was phenomenal book. I went to write a puff piece about Charles Manson on the anniversary of the Sharon Tate murders. It was like the 20th anniversary. Who knows what number it was. But he went around Hollywood and started knocking on doors and saying, tell me what it was like.

It was kind of a period of panic, and he said he got door slammed in his face repeatedly. And it wasn't like, you know, it just hurts so much. It was like, get the fuck out of my face, sort of no. And he dug and dug and dug, and dug. And after years of digging, he had found all sorts of evidence that every time Manson committed a crime, he got away with it, the judge would let him off. He was on parole. He'd get to move to San Francisco.

Turns out the CIA ran drug program. out of San Francisco, out of the Haydashbury District. And the brains of the operation was a guy named Jolly West. And it turns out the CIA had control of the entire global LSD market. I was taking acid when I was a kid. It was coming through the CIA. The entire LSD market was controlled by, was controlled by the CIA through, I think it was Sandoz. And Jolly West turns out, the key connection is Jolly West and Charles Manson. So Charles

Manston is hijacking cars and shit and he keeps getting off. And this guy named, I think, I think it was Nick Bryant. I'm not sure he writes about shit like this. I'm trying to, let's see, Charles Manson. Chaos. Now Tom O'Neill. And what turned out to be a puff piece turned into a 20-year study of what the hell went on with Manson. He finally connects with Jolly West. He says, this was the connection I really didn't want to make. He said this was the one that just completely blew his brains. Jolly West was absolute front and center in the M.K. Alter program, that's the, you know,

using drugs to brainwash people. And the CIA said they got caught at church, who was a very honest guy, had this commission, and they tried to tear open the story. The CIA said, oh, we apologize. It didn't work. We stopped the program. I think they lied on both counts. Ted Kaczynski was a product of MK. Ultra.

Jack Ruby, his original name was Jack Rubinstein. He's not even an Italian. He was tied to Jolly West. Timothy McVeigh was tied to Jolly West. These are weird connections. Well, I'm going back. I'm going to rewind us here. Because you said a couple things there.

Right. About the current state of being. Right. Which is, they're blatantly obvious now. If you just care. And that's because the internet. That's because the internet. Sure.

Right. But they're also sloppy. It's becoming more and more sloppy. Maybe that is the internet. But in my opinion, some of it is just becoming blatantly obvious. Now you got to, you got to look at things. Well, but I think that the battlefield changed when the internet came out, though. So what used to be a thing, if we can hide it, we get away with it.

We're fine. Now they know we can't hide it. I've always said, people say, how would you keep a secret? I go, it's not a secret. We all know Kennedy got shot by the CIA. All you have to do is control the response to it. That's all you have to do. Everyone can agree the CIA killed Kennedy as long as no one actually has.

We know we blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. Has anyone in the United States officially ever said, yes, we blew it up? No. And there's a very simple reason for that because it's an act of war. So we can all know they blew up the pipeline. But if they say, yes, we blow up the pipeline, that was an act of war. So does this, the New York Times running with the thing or the headline of now Ukraine is using Western weapons to bomb Russians? Is that going to change things?

Yeah, it's going to get us in the World War III. I think we're playing with fire here. I think we're, I'm more afraid of Gaza, Israel, because I think that's a bigger story than Gaza, Israel. There's more to that story. I've refused to spend all my ATP to study it. I said, look, I'm not going there. I occasionally talk about it. I will say things that are somewhat controversial,

but I won't say who's right or who's wrong. I will not take sides of it. And people can say, well, you're supporting a holocaust. I go, tough luck. You need to do it without me. But it's interesting because, you know, like, I understand that sentiment, yet that's what a ton of people are saying.

It's a blind spot on us right now. Well, see, the problem, though, is I fight a lot of fights. One time Glenn Greenwald was asked about 9-11, and his response was telling you said, you can only fight so many fights. I 100% agree. I'm not disagreeing with that mindset, because I agree with you 100%.

You try and go at all battles. That's self-defeating. But there are a ton of commentators that will not touch it. I agree. And that's a blatant blind spot then of going forward. Did you see that did you see the Chris Cuomo Dave Smith debate? Yes. I'm only part way through it.

But it's fascinating. You get, you know, Chris was lying his ass off a lot. I thought he did a good job all things considered. Like I, for example, KJP, you know, the press secretary. I don't think she's incompetent as everyone says. She is being asked to do a job that's not possible. She is being asked to explain things that the Biden administration is doing and sound like she's not insane. That's not possible.

The brilliant press secretary was Kaylee McEnany. She could destroy the press like that. She owned those guys. She was brilliant. But KJP is not up to the task. But I couldn't answer any of those questions either. She has to. And so, what did you ask me?

I got distracted by that. Well, I go back to the Trump thing, okay? You said, you know, when you go back to Donald Trump Jr., smart, Tucker Carlson interview, he's basically saying, we underestimated that they were, you know, they'd have a line and they would never cross it. They crossed it and they are rubbing everybody. That was so important to me. I realize he said the obvious. That's why I like Atlas Shrugged right now.

And I could be wrong on where it's heading. I could be wrong. But that's what I see over and over again is the book is telling you at some point. They're willing to cross the line. Well, I read it 15 years ago. And what happens is your brain gets more and more ready to accept unconventional thinking over time. So I might have read Atlas Shrug when I wasn't ready. I started reading a book, Confessions of a, of a, of, uh, uh,

confessions of a hitman confessions of a yes i've read that too that was while back i stopped reading it and it wasn't that i doubted what he was saying i thought i was detecting a guy who was not a player who was pretending to be a player interesting now i could have been dead by john perkins i could have been dead wrong i might not have been ready i started to read bush family secrets and they start talking about the Bush dynasty and all the dastardly shit they did. And I stopped. And I believe I stopped because I was not yet ready emotionally

to confront the idea that the Bush family was that bad. I just don't think I was ready for it. If I read it now, I bet I'd go, oh, of course. I think it would be a different reason. I 100% agree, right? I think I hear of Cletus, the line, you know, No man ever enters the same river twice because the river's constantly changing, as is the man. And when you look at books, that's 100% correct.

What a great quote. Yes. And so you look at any book, if I were to go back and read it now, guaranteed I'd pick up things that I wasn't ready for. The universal quote. I love quotes. Quotes are when some smart guy did all the heavy lifting and there's so much information in this little quote. Distill it down. I think George Ceylon was just a great.

grumpy old man. And I now realize, yes, he was, but I now understand why. The pithiest of all the quotes was by Voltaire, who said, a pithy phrase is not wisdom. And I go, oh, fuck, my head just blew up. A pithy phrase is not wisdom. I'm going, you just did it. You just did it. So, in any event, so go ahead. So I could be, if I read Atlas shrugged now, 60 hours later, Well, I could be wrong. Here's the thing. I mentioned it to Tom Luongo and Tom went, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry for you. He doesn't like it either. He doesn't like it either. It was interesting because I thought I was hammering the book uniquely because everyone I knows is, oh, that was shrugged. Okay, whatever. I don't know. I hate the kite runner, for example, which I don't read not. I don't read fiction anymore, but. To me, I guess it's just it's hit me at the right time because I'm enjoying it so far. We'll see where it ends. but I go back to this Trump thing, right?

If the next logical step is assassination, I think that's probably the worst thing they could do, obviously for obvious reasons. But I mean, we're getting to the point where they're so blatantly obvious. And you go, and we're also at another point of where anything can set it off. Because, you know, everything's been setting it off

for the other side, right? Like I think of like all the riots, all the different things that have gone on. That the other side, is at a point where I think a few things go wrong and the global power structure

is trying to force all these different things and I just I don't know what that looks like you know the movie Civil War comes out and that's their portrayal of what it's going to look like I don't that's not even close though because the Civil War had boundaries and borders and regions and you could fight for real estate and I don't know we might already be

the Civil War, right? The first shots might have already been fired long ago in that what we're slowly but surely doing. How many families, for example, have irreparable damage done by the vaccine? All of them. Right. But how many did it tear the family structure apart because you had the anti-vaxia or the vaccine and things were said that can't be retrieved? Well, I truly believe things can be retrieved, but in saying that, many will not be. Many will not be. Right. It's kind of part of the civil war. I agree. And I'm surrounded by colleagues who can't fathom why I would vote for Trump.

And I go, well, first of all, I'm now militantly anti-war. I used to have faith that when we got into war, there must be a reason. And I simply have no faith in that whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. I have no idea who's trying to call me. We killed four and a half million people in the Middle East. for no reason. There's 500,000 dead Ukrainians that I put 100% at the feet of NATO. People are appalled by that.

I go, you don't know the history of Ukraine. You've paid no attention to what the hell has been going on for the 12 years preceding 2022, in which Putin was at the end of his rope trying to get NATO to stop being a bunch of douchebags. Last, I've thought about this a lot. So Tom and Alex and a group of people were just. just in. Alex.

Who? Craneer, sorry. Criner. So wait a minute. Craneer's in my doctor Zoom group. I know. I picked up on that. I'm like, okay.

What a small world. Small world. Yeah. Well, they were just in Lloyd, April 28th. Okay. But the reason I bring it up was a year prior to that,

June of 2023. I thought it was insanely important that I bring Tom and Alex to Lloyd to talk about Russia, Ukraine. And now I look back on that and I'm going, I might have been insane for doing that, right? You know, Alberta has a giant Ukrainian population. I've been in several arguments on this.

Right. Because it's not like people aren't dying. I get it. People are dying. But we need to understand the entire picture before we just go rushing off and send everything to... Well, I tweeted this morning. I tweeted this morning that NATO will fight to the last day. Ukraine. The worry is, the worry is, like, I go back up to it. NATO is readying 300,000 troops

to deploy to Russia. They're now allowing Western armaments to be shot into Russia. By the way, okay, here's a question. What probability do you put on in when some drone, some super high tech, whatever, or an F-16, or you name it, goes into Russian, gets into some shenanigans. Yes. Okay. What are the odds those drones are run by Ukrainians? And not by the West or by NATO.

Yeah. I don't even know if it matters any, like I don't even know anyone. It does matter to me, actually. I think it does matter. I think providing arms is sort of as insane as it sounds, it's at least short of that dotted line. Well, it gives the political, hey, we're not, we're not the ones shooting the weapons. There's kind of a cover.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, for the readers who wonder why I'm so confident, it takes 40 people to run a Patriot missile battery. So this idea that a drone is just some high school kid with a joystick is not right. And by the way, the Ukrainians are all dead. They've all left the country. It is estimated that Ukraine is now missing 10 million people, two million of which went

to Russia, which gives you an idea of how bizarre this war is. And somewhere ballpark of a half a million are dead. Their recruiting methods were like ones we use the Civil War times 100. And they're recruiting women. They're recruiting teenagers. They're recruiting 50, 60. You look at the recruits. You go, those guys are on Social Security.

So we, NATO, I've asked everyone, I podcast with what we got to this top. If Donald Trump was president, would there have been a war in Ukraine? And the answer is no. No chance. No chance. Trump would have said, what do you need? And Putin would have said, don't bring NATO into Ukraine. Trump would have said, fine.

By the way, what we want out of you is to sell us oil for this much. And Putin would have said fine. Well, if you go through the history, and I'm no scholar on Russian history, I want to make that adamantly clear. I'm playing catch up. I'm playing catch up. But if you just put, just flip the rolls. and the United States is sitting where it is, and Russia keeps encroaching on the United States

through their organization, NATO that they're a part of. And the agreement's made, you just don't put, just don't put NATO in, you know, Mexico. Don't put NATO in Canada. We would turn Mexico into a sheet of glass. Right. And what is the story? Well, that's what Russia asked.

Putin played his best hand. Putin. So the other interview you want to watch, and I've had a few very brief exchanges with him. I think he's a very honest guy, is Jeff Sachs and Tucker Carlson, a week ago. Fantastic interview.

Fantastic. They blew one thing. And that is Jeff Sachs talked about two things. He talked about Ukraine. And for me, it was an answer key. I said it going through it. Yep, got that, got that, got that, got that. He said almost nothing.

that I didn't know with now I knew that Sacks had told I knew this from years ago that Sachs had told the Russians don't worry the United States is going to come to your rescue and was not correct but I didn't realize is that Sacks might have been the one who said he was not correct at the time but he promised the Russians the US would come in and help Russia get their shit together and then we didn't we helped all the other wars up had countries but not Russia And we broke a lot of promise and stuff like that. And so, so, so, so, uh, Sacks has been fighting a two front battle. Now the riveting part of the interview, you, I know you know where the high point

of the interview was is when Sacks tells a story about how he's sitting in the Kremlin. And Boris Yeltsin's across the table and he gets a phone call and he leaves the room and he comes back and he says to Sacks, do you know who's in that room next to us and Sacks says no? and he says, those are our generals. They just voted to dissolve the Soviet Union. Sachs was the first Westerner to hear that. And the hair on my arm was standing up, as he told that story. Then they go into the vaccine and the source of the virus and things like that.

The mistake they made is they forgot to mention that Jeff Sachs was the chair of a a committee charged with looking into that. And on his committee were a bunch of super sociopathic douchebags like Peter Dazak. And it took Sacks months to figure out that Dazac was lying his ass off the whole way. So Sacks was trying to get to the origin of the virus. And his committee was sandbag was undermining it. Yes. And he says, they were lying to me and I just didn't know it.

And so I think Sacks has a naive streak. in the sense that I think his default setting is to believe people. I think he takes people at face value. And that world no longer exists. The other thing that I found interesting about that interview, Dave, and I'm curious your thoughts on this. Because he brings up the story of the Soviet Union dissolving. Wasn't that an amazing moment?

Fascinating. Unbelievable. But probably the more fascinating for me sitting on this side was. He goes, okay, we're going to put together a billion. million dollar thing yep here's your money did to do we're going to come in and help you i promise the united states is going to go help you and he comes back to the united states the united states says no no we're not helping right so do you know why no i don't he didn't say this he didn't say it and i go that's 30 years ago the soviet union has just dissolved you now can you know i don't know help it just doesn't

make sense to me. Make it make sense. I think the reason, because the reason we, he referred to it as a Marshall plan back when he was talking about it. And I don't remember how many years ago I was reading about this part of the story, but it was many years ago. So at least like 15 years ago, so it's such a distant memory about what happened with SAC and his promise failed and things like that. But SACS said it would be like a Marshall plan to help Russia. And what, what Sacks miscalculptial What the calculator was is that without the Soviet Union, we didn't need the Marshall Plan. The Marshall Plan was to deal with the Soviets.

And since we had no superpower now to oppose us, we didn't have to be the good guys all of a sudden. We could just say, fuck you. And we probably were still in a very cold war mentality saying, yeah, let's destroy Russia, which is precisely how we handle it. promised Gorbachev repeatedly that we would not move NATO East and then we move NATO East. George Kennan, the cold warrior of a higher order, arguably the most famous cold warrior of them all. As told by Ben Steele at the Council on Foreign Relations, he said, you should read Kenon's book.

You should read the book about Kenned. He's the key. And what's the book called? it's just I think this is George Kennan I think it's just George Kennan and I haven't read it yet but um Kenan like sorry one more time K-E-N-N-A-N-A-N I haven't read it yet it's on my wish list

which is getting longer not shorter I know well that's the thing I bring people on and then they rattle off 18 bucks Yeah this is the one George Kennan in American life and it's now free so guess what I'm going to do I'm going to drop it I'm going to And I'm going to add it to the library.

It's free on Audible. Free on Audible, no. Oh, man, you got to love that. So, Kenyon said that when Clinton moved NATO East in 1997, I can't remember which country went first, but Clinton moved NATO East in 1997, Kenan said that was the biggest foreign policy mistake in the history of the United States. Brzezinski, Mika's dad, you know that dominatrix on MSNBC, the one who beats Joe Scarborough, who whips and chains and shit at night, that one. Brzezinski, who was also up to his ass in the Cold War of a higher order, said the U.S.'s biggest nightmare would be of Russia, China, and Iran formed an alliance.

Right. It's looking pretty real right now. It's looking really real. That's what we call the bricks. That's the new bricks. The new bricks is 20 to 40 countries. And all my eco buddies are saying, all my fin twit buddies are saying, well, you know, the bricks currency is not going to be worth of shit.

I can't compete with the doubt. I go, you're missing the important point here. This is not about currencies. This is about restructuring of alliances. We got 20 to 40 countries that are important countries saying we're no longer with the United States. We're gonna go with Russia and China. Yeah, I go back to it.

There has been this 30 year, you go back to his story. 30 years ago, they had an opportunity to walk in, We just want to be a normal country. And you could be bang on with it being the Cold War and then walking away. And we got nobody to oppose this and everything else. But it was in the mantra 30 years ago. Remember what it was called? It was called the peace dividend.

The peace dividend was referring to the fact we wouldn't have to spend a lot of money on war now. Now, who would oppose the peace dividend? The trillion dollar industry. Industry. The gazillion dollar banking industry, which provides the money to the to the to the to the to the war machine they don't want peace they need a new enemy oh lo and behold osama hits nine eleven now we've got a new boogie man yeah yeah now we got russia now we're trying to claim it's china china could be a risk i don't know the problem is you reach a point we

say i don't believe whatever they say their lips are moving they're lying right yeah it gets to the point on this side you know because uh um it's It's funny over the last little bit, you know, you do the, like, you know, people can go listen to 600. I forget what are we at today. 64, I think you'll be. And people can listen to roughly, I don't know, what is that? 1,200 hours, a bit more, a bit less of the journey on this side. Right.

If they want to, nobody, I shouldn't say nobody will. I'm sure there are people out there, but that's an undertaking. You know, we talk about Atlas Shrugged. Just try the Sean Newman podcast and try and, you know, catch back up. But you can go listen to the entire journey where you hear my mind shift on certain things. Right. People won't. What people will do is they'll call you controlled opposition instead because that's what they understand.

Well, the other thing you have to remember is the average person is just trying to get home, get the kids to bed, get food on the table, sit down, watch you. baseball game. So we are, we are the, I don't use the word, the exception, we are in the minority of wanting to take all our available free time that we can find and learn about how fucked up the world is. Right. Most people just want to move on. So, so that's how, for example, in the COVID pandemic, how so many people seem to get duped by the pandemic. I mean, again, the Dave Smith, Chris Cuomo interview, there were things, I could hear Chris lying. Again, I thought he did a brilliant job of faking his way through the debate so far. I'm not all the way through it in the sense that he had an unwinnable hand to play.

He and KJP, right? Unwinnable hand because Chris had said awful things. And now he's trying to do a mea culpa. And I thought he did a pretty good job of weaving and, as Dave Smith was thrown punches. But Dave Smith said was very agnostic on Ivermectin. What I can tell you is the evidence that Ivermectin works is phenomenal. It's not just some say yes, some say no.

That's why anyone in the anti-vax community the now stores Ivermectin. I have plenty. I have plenty. I had to send to India to get it. So Smith missed that. And it was kind of important. They spent quite a bit of time on it. And Smith said, you know, maybe yes, maybe no.

You know, there's no hard scientific data. Oh my God, yes, there is. We also have personal anecdotal data. Tons of us do. My son got COVID. He was supposed to go to Costa Rica with my wife, a dream trip to Costa Rica. I said, I'll pay you, Thomas, to take your mom to Costa Rica. I don't want to go, but you two go.

And he calls me a five o'clock in the morning that day and says, dad, I've got COVID. I can hear it. He's sicker than shit. And he tested positive, which if you believe the test, sounds like he probably was positive. I said, okay, take 40 milligrams Ivermectin, take a couple of time. And I'll go back to bed when you wake up. We'll talk. We'll figure this out.

And he called me about 9 o'clock in the morning, four hours later. And he says, dad, it's gone. that is what ivermectin does when you listen to the guys who prescribed ivermectin to people who were sick and early so they soon as they got to them they started taking ivermectin they had to get the people to not go home the next day they's people saying look i want to get the fuck out of here i'm i'm not sick now let me check me out of here yeah so for the average person when you talk about the average person i get the work listen i i i get the work listen i i get it got to work full-time job then you come home you get kids you're going to buy

someone distilling the news for you on and on and on so when it's 9-11 sitting here in canada you watch the news you go holy crap well what does that mean and maybe some people look deeper into it some didn't when it's when it's uh Vegas some so are you are you a truther for 9-11 you look at 9-11 say okay obviously that was not just Arabs Let me finish my thought and we'll come back to 9-11. Okay. So I look at these individual things. Vegas, we've talked about Vegas.

We've talked about 9-11. You know, here in Alberta, you got the Coots 4 and the political prisoners they've become. Oh, my God. The trucker story was a horror story. Right. So you look into those things. The thing that still shocks me is COVID, because the thing about COVID was you couldn't escape it. And so the everyday average person couldn't escape it.

They saw it play out. And they had to either come to terms with it, which is why you have this huge volume of people now that are lit on fire to figure out what the heck is going on. Because there were certain people who knew, you know, it was JFK. Or it was whatever thing along the road, it was this individual thing happened over here. and it started to open their eyes to things.

The thing about COVID was it was global. Different countries, different areas played it out in different ways. But it happened everywhere. Everywhere was getting forced one solution. This is how we're going to do it. And you either had to stand your ground or you took it. And now you're dealing with the consequences of that. Some people got consequences.

Some people escaped without consequences. But when it's a global thing, which shock me about people. And I've had different people come on now talking about trauma and how we all went through that. And there's trauma associated where you. There's big trauma. Right. Where you can just erase it.

And so we can't. The thing with the average person is that it's a bit shocking is how we have this giant elephant sitting there. Here we are two years after, you know, the trucker convoy that was a global phenomenon all focused on Canada. And it was the best example of how to do a protest with the utmost civility. Yes. And they butcher those bastards. Yes. And the Coots 4 are just another... Have they been convicted? Yeah. What's going on in that story, by the way?

Where are they at now? There's a woman who's front and center. There's one woman who's really front. No, no. No. So the Freedom Convoys Ottawa. Ottawa, that's Tamara Leach. That's Chris Barber. That's right. Tamara Leach. They're still in... Geez, it's got to be getting... I think... Was it September folks when that trial started? Longest mischief. But they're not in prison now, right? No. Okay. No. But they're not in prison now. No. But they're they're on trial. Their lives are being destroyed. It was supposed to be six weeks. That started last, what was it last July?

Was it last September? They're on trial. What is the formal charge? Mischief. Mischief. Yes. And so, so then draw it, draw it to Coots 4, Dave. Coots 4 is the Coots border crossing between Alberta and Montana.

Okay. That was a different protest at the exact same time. Okay. Okay. They arrested a bunch of guys. guys eventually holding four. And do I got it sitting here? I think I do.

The current, they're at 843 days, two of them. Anthony Olenek and Chris Carbert. Their allegations are they conspired to murder members of the RCMP who were policing the border protest at the Coots International Crossing. Okay. They had a picture that came out and I'm going to be the first guy to say, as soon as I saw the picture and the wording, I backed up. I was like, oh man.

Conspiracy to commit murder. I want them to do with that. They got this photo with all these guns. And you're like, holy crap. Like they were going to war. And you could, in my brain, I understood where they were at. Like, we were all living in it. Right.

It took a military guy coming on the podcast go, yeah, that's like a stock photo. You'd never do that with evidence. And he goes in that vest right there, why would you, you don't even have the plates in it. So it was useless. That makes zero sense. You're going to load. And so he just blows up the picture. As soon as you, oh.

So the whole thing's, why would it? Mike Crock. So then you get, and what comes out of the Coots? What comes out of the Coots for? The emergency authorization. Now they can shut down the freedom protest in Ottawa. And so you have Anthony Olinick and Chris Carbert. They're still behind bars.

They're just starting trial as we speak. And they've been in prison the whole time? 843 days as of today. And then two pleaded guilty. So here's my question. Here's my question. Yes. What we seem to be lacking is frontier justice.

I'm a family member. I've got a dear family member who's in prison for 800 and some odd days. What am I thinking? I'm going to find somebody. I'm going to find somebody. I'm going to make someone pay. What was it? James Coburn, Bruce Coburn.

If I had a rocket launcher, some son of a bitch would pay, famous song. Why is that not happening? Why isn't that happening? Because, for example, if I had, if I was a family member of the guy who got sent to prison for 22 years who was not actually at January 6th, I get liver cancer. I'm not going to lie alone. I might not do that because you get liver cancer and someone who's had it, maybe says, Dave, that's not how you think when you have liver cancer? Sure. But I get your sentiment.

The point, I was watching a show about 1720 Hudson Bay Colony. And some guys is super dickweed. I'm going, this doesn't make sense. I'll tell you why. If you're a super dickweed in 1720 up on Hudson's Bay, someone's going to club you over the head in an alley and deal with you. You can't afford to be a super dickweed. I feel like I go back to the kindling formling across the world right now. And we point at Russia, Ukraine.

We point at Israel, Gats. You know, Palestine. We point to the United States with Trump, with Biden, with the election coming. Here in Canada, we got 11 MPs that they know there's foreign interference with, and they won't name who the 11 MPs are. You're like, that makes zero sense. I know. They go, disease X. Disease.

Yeah, that's right. Disease X is coming. You know, it's the bird flu. It's coming. It's going to. There is, in my opinion. I'm already like to me I'm ticked off I didn't get the shot I I had to or lose my job and I weathered the I weathered the storm of that time it sucked but here I sit and I'm watching all

this play out and I see the people just going about their life going work coming home and and and and if they were to implement lockdowns to tomorrow like full on we're going right back to where we were two years ago i don't think that'll work again and the reason it won't is because of the majority who went along with it and they're now realizing they were duped and that number is growing i think are the most pissed off people right now even if it's a minority it's going to be 30 percent not 2 percent correct oh we we have to be at 30 percent dave of canadians look at the look at uh just our election the the the polling they're doing. Do I love Pierre Poliyev? No. But do I hate Justin Trudeau?

Justin Trudeau is Canada's most embarrassing moment. And then there's the, then there's the, which which the one, the one really meritorious aspect of Justin Trudeau is the Castro's love child's story. Right? That brings joy to my life. Yeah. Yeah. That's really great. I didn't finish the story about Epstein not being dead. There's the funniest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. I put very low probability on it, but it's the funniest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. So they wheel out Epstein.

And the internet immediately says, look at the ear. It's the wrong construction. I go, look at the fucking nose. Epstein's nose is perfectly straight. And this guy's got a pretty good hook. And I'm going, Epstein had so much dirt on so many people. and Galane was still running around. I don't think they could kill him, right?

He had the kill switch. It's called a kill switch. So I think they had to get him the fuck out. I think his name is probably Glory Epsteinium living on some desert island with fake tits or something. I don't know where he is. He could be dead. But there are reasons to believe he's not.

And then there's a picture of a guy who looks like the guy in the gurney. And he's wearing a Mets hat and he's in a baseball game. And you go, could that guy be? be the guy in the gurney. And you go, yeah, you know, that actually could be. And it turns out two weeks, three weeks earlier, he died unexpectedly. And there was not much about how he died. So you say, okay, he dies and take some photos.

Okay, we got the gurney photos now. Now we get Epstein out of there, right? What makes it the funniest conspiracy theory of all time is that guy who died without explanation, is Tony Rodham Clinton, Hillary's brother. And I pissed my pants every time I think about that one. It's so funny that if you spotted it, let's say you're some spook. And you go, you know, Tony here looks a lot like upseat and you're sitting there with your buddies, right? Your sociopathic buddies, you're going, oh, we have got to do this.

Oh, when we get back to Langley, we are going to be heroes for this one. This is going to be a Hall of Fame moment for CIA guys, right? They'll never forget us at Langley on this one, right? Isn't that funny? I wrote about this. I said, look, it's just so funny I have to tell the story, even if it's not true. Great stuff. This is the fun part is finding the absurdity.

And what's going on? Remember the Valdi shooting, right? The Baldi shooting? Yeah, the town in Texas, Texas or New Mexico or New Mexico or something where where a town of 10,000 people, the shooter goes into the school and shoots 26, kills 26 kids. He was in the school running around shooting kids for 77 minutes. And this is in the middle of butt fuck nowhere. This, this really, the nearest town was 50 miles away with the population of 15,000. Okay. There's supposedly over 500 cops involved. Is Vivaldi or Valdi? Vivaldi is a musician.

Valdi, I'm pronouncing the name wrong, I think. Doesn't matter. You could take five names out of a phone book. And I bet you three at least of those five would go straight at the gunman saying, we got to save these kids. We had at least like 70 cops in the building and they wouldn't go to the shooting for 77 minutes. So then you get a story about off-duty border agent who killed the guy. Famous guy, right? You know his name? Can you picture his face? Nope.

You know anything about him? Wouldn't he be like the guy who dropped the plane into the Hudson River and saved everything? everyone. Right? And then you get the story about the mother who went into the school and got her kids out. And she got interviewed. And I noticed the style. It was familiar. When Paddock shot up Vegas, they put cameras in front of his brother's face. His brother was obviously a mess. But the interview of him sounded like a guy who was absolutely explicit. trying to say absolutely nothing. It was just garble.

And it wasn't garble because he couldn't contain himself. It really felt like he was just throwing bullshit at the news. And they interviewed this woman who went in to save her kids, and I got the exact same feeling. And she's talking about how she went in and they stopped her, and then she gets in. How? I don't know.

They were stopping people. She gets in and then she says, then she says there was no one in there. And then she says she starts asking people for a bulletproof fest. And I'm going, but no, there's no one in there. You just said there was no one in there. And then she comes out. Do you know her name? No, I don't know her name.

Mom of the Year? Superhero mom? Make a movie out of her mom? She was incoherent, though. when they interviewed her, she was incoherent. It was just garble. And it took 77 minutes for the guy to get killed. I know that a majority of the men, if they had a weapon, would just know, they'd know that I had, they didn't even go near the shooter.

You might be a bit of a candy ass like looking around the corners, but they didn't even go. And I know that the majority of the men, you give them a weapon, they go, this is now my time I have to do it. Well, you've seen some of the footage, the police footage of different shootings where they go straight to it. They go straight to it. And it's not even training as a cop. It is some primal thing. Yes. Well, I mean, you understand.

This is what I have to do right now. You understand, you know, listen, I'm no police officer. I admire when military, you know, I'm talking, I have military round tables in here all the time. And I admire the stories they talk about being shot at and like an on and on it goes. But I think there's a primal instinct in any parent's life when you look at a school. I can just imagine if my kids were in it. And you understand the longer it goes, the higher probability of your kid or any kid being killed. They couldn't have stopped those parents.

There's something so wrong with the whole story again. So it's back to a Vegas flavor thing. Now, I also think even Sandy Hook has problems, but, and then the grand finale, what, a three-quarters of a billion-dollar lawsuit against Alex Jones? There is a free speech issue. One could argue that his speech was so painful to the families that somehow you could find some way to call it damages. but three quarters of a billion dollars?

No, that's to destroy oxenos. Now, here's the other thing you don't want to be. No matter what the topic, you don't want to be a whistleblower. The whistleblower, you might as well hang a target on your chest. Boeing? Of any kind. Boeing, literally. Boeing's had two of them die now in the last month, month and a half.

But whistleblower is supposed to be protected. and now you get named to be a whistleblower. You can be a whistleblower on the Girl Scouts, right? They go after the whistleblowers because the message has to be clear. You blow the whistle on anyone of importance you're going to pay dearly. And so whistleblowing label is hanging a bullseye on your chest.

What's going on with Alex Jones? I don't know. He's as powerful as he's ever been. He's kind of like Trump in the sense. seems to get more powerful with increasing number of hits. Now, he claims he's had very little money ever. If that's true, then these lawsuits are irrelevant anyways. He can regenerate a couple of a million in no time flat, right?

He has earning power of some kind. He can give talks for $10,000 of pop minimum. Oh, minimum. You think of Alex Jones, and I know there will be some people watching this have been following Alex for a long time. But I think he's, I don't know, peak popularity. He, I mean, he can go higher. He, he is the invidia of the, of that world, right? He is, he is a one man. Nothing has been rejuvenated more than Alex Jones's his reputation. Now, he's still his own worst enemy at some level, because he still goes so hyperbolic and so

batched crazy like a crazy eddie commercial you know crazy eddie commercials i don't know crazy that that was a that was a scam run by the guy's name of sam oh shit if he listens to podcast he's gonna be pissed at me um his name of sam and he ran the scam that was crazy crazy there's this chain of stereo stores and the prices were insane that's how he do the ads that's so the ads were done. It turns out he said the whole thing was just crooked. He says, I'm a pro. I know it's like when Trump says, this system's rig. I know it because I used it. And so he's on Twitter and he talks about being a convicted felon and how he says, yeah, I know how the system works. And so Alex Jones looks like Crazy Eddie commercial. I went old

enough to remember Crazy Eddie. They go, oh yeah, yeah, I remember those ads. They were nuts. But Alex Jones has been more right than wrong. And that wasn't necessarily so obvious. Like he talks about gay frogs. And yeah, okay, Alex, gay frogs really. It turns out that he's actually citing some serious scientific work, where the drug atrazine is finding itself into the ecosystem, and they're getting all sorts of sexual dysmorphic effects within the reptiles and stuff in the ecosystem.

But of course, Alex has to call it gay frogs. And it's like, you could call it sexual dysmorphy or something, right? You could give it a real dead. No, they're gay frogs, right? He was in Bohemian Grove. There's something very real about that story. Did you see the David Gergan interview with Alex Jones? David Gergen, no, I don't think I have.

David Gergen's from the big swing and dick. Sunday morning talk shows, David Gergan, you know. sort of like with Billy Crystal and David Gorgon and, you know, guys like that. Very high up. Alex Jones intercepts him and asks him about Bohemian Grove. Now, Bohemian Groves is placed supposedly where millionaires and elite people, the Davos crowd, goes and practice satanic rituals. So Alex Jones takes a camera into Bohemian Grove.

And it's grainy footage and shit, but he films the damn thing. And you can see this picture of Moloch, which is supposedly the satanic creature. And there's this guy in the microphone screaming out weird satanic cults. And there's this big huge crowd. Supposed he's still with senators and CEOs and all these important people. And you're going, okay, that sounds a little fake to me. But Alex Jones shoves a microphone under David Guggen's face. You go to Bohemian Grove every year, don't you?

And Gergen says, it's none of your business. And now it starts paging him. And Gergen couldn't have handled it worse. And Gergen keeps saying that you shouldn't have been there. You had no right to be there. You had no right to film it. And Gergen, I'm going, could you admit guilt more than you just did? So if you search David Gergen, Bohemian Grove, you'll

see Gergen get interviewed. And then Alex Jones gets done with the interview where Gergit has completely destroyed himself with it. And Alex Jones turns to the camera goes, yes. That was his first big break. It was Bohemian Grove. Well, you've seen, have you seen that Info Wars, they're trying to shut, I mean, I assume they're always trying to shut down Info Wars?

Always, always. There'll be more. But the message is if you get out of line will hurt you so bad. Yes. And my message is, somewhere out there is, going to be someone who says yes, but I'm not going alone. And I don't understand. I'm not advocating violence.

I'm marveling at the absence of it. And I do believe I will go this far. You do it to me? I don't know what I do. And you say, well, you can't go extra legal body. It would be chaos. I go, sorry. I don't know, right?

When you corner a person, don't be shocked when they do something crazy. And I you know, that's why they hung horse thieves because if they didn't they'd go steal another horse So they hung them you did they didn't have prisons yeah and we got a choice we can 20 lashes or we can we can throw them overboard we can do all sorts of shit we can't put them in prison well and and the thing As a father right where my brain gets to with that is all the pedophilia stuff because you right literally you just just Google Canada petafel pedophilia, bail, something along those lines.

Well, your biggest embarrassment, actually is that Justin Trudeau, it's, who's permanent bitch-face, second in command? Give me your name again.

Christia Freeland. Oh, she's so awful. She is truly the most wretched human being. She and Victoria Nulen are the spawn of Satan. And she's Ukrainian. Well, I just go back to you,

when you talk about, when I go, I'm taking somebody with me, if that's where it's, gets to, you know, you're not advocating violence. I don't advocate violence either. But when the judicial... But you touch my kids.

When the judicial system no longer is working, which a lot of people can see firsthand, no matter how closely they stare at it, you're just starting to see things that don't make any sense. So we're calling out for the people who still have control of them saying, you got to fix it. Yes. I got this fight with the colleague yesterday. He said, it's irresponsible for you to say the election's rigged. I said, well, I think it is. He says, you have huge influence out there.

You shouldn't be saying it's, you don't have any days before. I go, I do. I think it was rigged. It was ripe to be rigged, which means it was rigged because they're not going to pass on that. And it just, I am calling upon the system to say, look, if you want to keep the peace, run this election cleanly. Yeah, but that's my thing. think they want to keep the peace. They don't want to. They want us to fight. And it gets to George Soros and now his evil spawn son, Alex Soros, who looks like he's going to be as bad as his goddamn father.

And Elon Musk said it brilliantly, he said, George Soros figured out, you don't have to change the laws. You have to change how they're, how they're enforced. And that's what they're doing. They're using the, They've weaponized the legal system. The people who have weaponized the legal system, in my opinion, are treasonous. They should be tried in a court of law in front of a jury of their peers and then hung from the neck until dead. And that includes, in my opinion, the Patriot front guys. You're trying to stir up a race war. Off them.

Do illegally. Use the system within the Constitution. Maybe put them in jail for 20 years. I don't know what the punishment is. Take it right to the top. Take it right to the top of the scale. What do you think is going to happen with that judge, July 11th on Trump? What do you think is going to happen?

I don't know. Let me ask you this. Do you think that judge is sitting there going, you know, I thought it would be fun chasing Trump and now I'm not very comfortable with what I'm up to here? Do you think he's wishing he wasn't in the middle of it? There's no way to win this for him. The United States, every time an election comes. comes is got to be for a Canadian sitting here, you know, your, your northern border.

And obviously the influence you have on the world is something. But this year, it just, I was having this conversation. And I need you to balance out the thought process because the balance. I am not the right guy to. Oh, I think you are because because the guy's thought process was, Dave, it doesn't matter. You know, it's going to be the same thing anyways. Democrats win, Republicans win. Everything gets fearmongered to the nth degree, and then life goes on.

And I looked at it and I'm going, I'm not sure. I don't know. I guess I haven't been paying attention to this. I wasn't around when JFK was assassinated. And if I'd been paying attention, then I would have been. The world is about to end. And you know, here we are how many years later after JFK. And it didn't end.

And it didn't end. But you look where we're sitting and I stared at it. like man like okay you got everything that happened with COVID and then follow up that continues to come from another way of saying that by the way is that Russian roulette is a five to one winner that's a morbid thought um you have the COVID all the follow up that's coming through that you have the fact that Russia Ukraine although feels like it should have went to just peace talks a year ago. It didn't. On the flip side, we should have probably been at all war by now with Nord Stream.

And a few other things I might add. But we haven't. And we're still sitting there. Now, as I say... Well, Russia wasn't even hurt by it. Germany was hurt. I saw one of the wonky pundit types say that the... Besides Brzezinski's saying the worst nightmare is Russia, China, Iran.

Someone said... Someone else said, worst nightmare is of russia and germany form a strong alliance you could argue we are trying to destroy the russian german connection here's alex jones's twitter armageddon alert russian government officially calls usa enemy for the first time right i whether or not that's you know stunning that we're walking into that with our eyes wide open yes well i i sit here and i go where i sit okay covid was tough dave kovd was really tough tough to be a guy who didn't know much. I don't get a PhD. I don't have the, the, the, the degrees and

you know, I'm not a doctor. But I just went something's off here. We needed to start talking about this because I don't see our government walking us out of it. That was tough. And where we're walking into feels like World War III, and I'm not for it. And I look back at bringing Tom and Alex to Lloyd to talk about Russia, Ukraine. And I thought, oh, man, that was. might have been really dumb, right? Because, like, I thought I was, like, just de-escalating it. But you see where we're plowing towards. And they just keep dumping more money, and they keep dumping more fuel on that fire.

And I'm like, I wonder how Muhammad Ali got to the point. And maybe that's a poor choice. I'm not sure of, like, I'm not fighting your war. And yet, here I say. Yeah, yeah, there's a guy whose reputation improved with time, isn't it? It is. He was hated by the... We'll call it the white aristocracy.

He was hated as this defiant guy, you know, because he didn't support the war. Boy, he sure looks way better than that because he sacrificed enormously. Enormously. To not fight that war. And then he comes back to become world champion again. Yes. What an amazing story. You look.

You also I'm a big fan of. The guy who, if he had lived, would have been potentially an amazing. leader was Malcolm X. Read a biography of Malcolm X, and you will be awed by his wisdom. And he was a street thug. He really repotted himself. He was headed for a life of time in prison, and he figured out he was on the wrong track. And he was the one who warned the black community. Listen to what the liberals have to say, but don't give him the power. And he also, he was brilliant. Now, I'm no fan of Islam by any stretch of the imagination. I think Islam and Christianity, you don't have to make an argument that one's better

than the other to say they are not any more miscible than oil and water, right? Islam and Christianity don't not mix well at all. And they're really, the foundational level stuff just to doesn't work that well. But it was brilliance to bring Islam into the black community because religion brings order. I used to call myself an atheist. I don't know what to call myself now. I don't believe in God. I don't believe in practicing religion. But I realize our entire country is founded on the Judeo-Christian ethic and the principles of being the good guys and things like that. And that just because I don't want to do it

doesn't mean I'm not benefiting enormously from it. And so if you go back and you replay the tape, they start taking Christmas out, they start taking religion out. And I'm going, we're trying to dismantle the glue here. And so what did Malcolm X do? He brought religion into a community that was in chaos. And it was a non-white religion.

and so that it could be embraced. Now, it didn't really go anywhere. I mean, there are still black Muslims, but he also got killed. But the idea, and, you know, his guys, his foot soldier type, they walked around and, you know, nice suits. They were orderly and they were, you know, and there was infighting and stuff like that.

So he supposedly got whacked by some internal struggle, if you believe it, you know, internal struggle with help from the CIA. But he was trying to bring order into a community that really desperately needed order. And then he got popped. So we'll never find out. But he could have easily become, you know, Thomas Sol was a Marxist, right? He could have become Thomas Sol. He could have been that kind of level of leader.

but we all never know. Dave, I appreciate you coming on and giving me all the time in the world. It will not be the last time. Thanks again for doing this. Thank you. Appreciate it. It's fun. We've explored a lot.

And we'll wait to see what the audience says. Either way, thanks for hopping on and doing this. Well, the audience, I realize the audience, if there's a comment section, it'll be A's and Fs. And I asked Twitter, why is that? Why is it? Is this, are we this polarizing? And then I got the obvious answer. I said, oh, you're right.

To comment requires you to have a strong response. So you're going to either say, God, what a great guess or what a douche bag. And so I read the other thing I've noticed, and I do think this is true in the YouTube. And I do read comment sections. Like yesterday, for example, I read one where I talked about Nvidia. And some guy said, oh, by the way, the Chinese have a such and such a board. He gave it some number and stuff that's already way better than invidious chips. I go, that's important.

That means Nvidia's about to get its ass kicked. And I've been predicting they're going to get their ass kicked. But that guy just gave me how. So I read the comments. I see waves of sentiment that look suspicious as shit. So they'll go along and say, hey, thanks. Thanks for bringing on this guy. I've never heard it before.

I'm a big fan, blah, blah, blah, blah, flattering stuff. And then all of a sudden just hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer. And then back to the flattering stuff. And I think there's bots out there that just drop bombs. Oh, guaranteed. They come in in rapid fire. So I say something about the Ukraine war being bullshit NATO's fault. And then the bots go bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

And they hammer away. And it's all just being triggered. Because they don't just come occasionally. They come in these like rapid fire. And there's a certain kind of a quality about them that's the same. It's like, you know, the fake Twitter account. They used to be like Dave 0656, 62230. And you go, you know, that's not a very clever name.

And they always came at you with an antagonistic statement. And then if you responded, then the conversation will get going. And I realize these are just guys practicing AI. Perfect metric. How many times do they get you to respond? How long can they keep you fighting? a bot, which is a way of testing AI. And so my Twitter feed is filled with bots.

I've wondered, it would be great to know, I think, who is my closest confidant on Twitter who's a bot? What if we found out Rudy Habinstein was a bot? Now, I've done podcasts with him, so I'm pretty sure he's not a bot. But one time I was chatting with some guy. I thought John Cullen was a bot. I was like, I've done podcasts with John. Well, now I have two.

I was like, this John Cullen's got to be a bot. Like, there's no way this guy's is the real thing. Right. And then the first time he got on. First time he got on screen with me, I'm like, he's not a bot. Well, he's not a bot. Now I'm like, are you CIA?

Like, am I literally talking? What am I talking to here? Well, when I was on with him, I said, John, so you're wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses. But you worked at Oracle. Yes. It's not like the guys. who want to know who you are can't figure out who you are. That'd be like if I wore sunglasses

and said, I'm in the chemistry department of Cornell, but, but I've got my sunglasses on, so I'm safe, you know. But, but there, one time there's this guy and, and we're having some exchange and all of a sudden some other guy came in and he gave me all sorts of metrics of the connection of the guy to Russia. And he said, you should know that. And I said, you know what scares me? are douchebags like you. I don't even care if he's tied to Russia. I worry more about the fact that you can track all that shit. And so the bots of times have come at me in a way that I felt like they were trying to warn me about something. And I try to push back. I don't see that kind of stuff as much. Do you enjoy the back and forth of

Twitter? The attacks? I don't like the attacks. I mean, when someone, when someone attacks me in a way that seems senseless, I put them on mute. I don't block them because people get satisfaction being blocked. So I'm blocked by Michael Mann of climate change form. I'm blocked by Peter Dezac, you know, I'm blocked by Steve Leesman. I never said a word to Steve. And I, there's a certain point of pride. Why'd they block me? I didn't say anything bad to you, but somehow I'm on a shit list where the climate change guys say block this guy, he's trouble.

I got a few of those. Right. And so what I do is I mute them. So in theory, they're yelling into the void and don't even know I'm not hearing it. Now, here's what I do, though. I actually look at them. But the mute, I have to unmute it to see what the guy said. And if I get a bunch of those where the guy seems rational, then I'll go take him off mute because it means he just was grumpy one day.

But there are guys who, without fail, come in as super douchebags. And then sometimes I'll respond to them. I'll say, you know, you never cease to disappointment. You're always a complete dick. What really makes me mad is someone who tag Cornell's Twitter feed on a criticism of me. which is really I'm asking people now to do this apparently. But it makes me so mad because you're trying to like micro cancel me, right? But what I can do is I'll say, look, I'm leaving Cornell on this return.

And this response. I said, I think you're a complete douchebag for tagging my employer. And if I had 10 minutes alone with you, you'd find out how much I think you're a douchebag. right and cornell twitter feed will be right there now i once invited social media experts at cornell to a faculty meeting when i was chair to talk about their role they watch social media to see if there's a problem they're they're watching for keywords and stuff say oh fuck that professor just said what you know that's something and the guy and i invite him and then afterwards the guy comes up he says i love your twitter feed so one day

Again, I'm sorry to stretch out. One day I get a call for my brother-in-law, who's a trustee, as I said. And he quotes a tweet where I said, Cornell's doing fine. Cornell was in the news a lot last year. I said, Cornell's doing fine. The president's okay, which was faint praise. I said the provost Kotlakov is fantastic.

He's a rock star. I said, it's a utopian existence here in Ethica. I said, all we have to do is get. out of the news cycle. My brother-in-law calls me and he reads me part of that tweet. I said, where the fuck you get that from? And he says, I got it from my boss. I said, where'd Daphne get it from? He says, no, my other boss, I go, you don't have a boss. You're an independent financial advisor. He says, the chairman of the board of trustees. It showed up on his desk. And he calls my brother-in-law, who's the most famous Ithacan, because his name is Ezra Cornell,

and it says, there was this tweet from a faculty member. Now, he doesn't know anything about me. And he says, Ezra, do you might just know this guy? Because Ezra knows everybody. And Ezra says, yes, my brother-in-law. And they have this big laugh together. And the chairman of the bar trustee says, there's hope. Because here is a Cornell faculty member who is not whining about being an oppressed faculty

member. Right? It's like, oh yeah, we have it so bad as faculty at Cornell. What kind of whiny bitches are you? We have a perfect job. And occasionally I'll confront some young damsel. Cornell chemistry, for example, great placement record for women in chemistry to go into academia, part because we've had tons of women here for decades.

They come here because it's utopia. here and women say fuck I'm not going to Boston I'm going to I think I'm going to I think and and and fuck I lost my train of thought in any event oh I'm talking to women and they say I don't want to go to academia because I want to have a family I said there's no better job my son if he's sick I just say fuck it I go home I can't work from home you got laptops you got everything but even Even without it. One time my wife had back surgery in New York City. I didn't get replacement

lectures. I just told my class, I'm going to be out for a couple of weeks. See in a couple weeks, I'm going to go to New York. I just didn't teach. And none of my colleagues said anything. They didn't say anything because they knew I was wrestling with all sorts of real serious problems. I never once asked for a family leave. My wife has had 60 fucking surgeries. That's not an estimate. That's a count. And I had a couple of kids. I never asked for family leave. I coped.

And once in a while some feminist type will say, well, you don't understand what's like a thousand old family life. And I go, are you kidding me? I raised my kids. I bade them. I dressed them. I fed them. I took care of my wife.

I drove over to all our medical appointments. Fuck you. Dave call them, folks. Thank you. for doing this Dave. The next time you're on, we're going to square away an afternoon on this side

so that we can just keep going with stories from Dave. Thanks for doing this, Dave. Appreciate it. My pleasure.