Shaun Newman Podcast - #658 - Gary Mostert

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

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Okay, welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Gary Mostard. So I hope I said that right. He's laughing at me. I can tell he's laughing at me. But thanks for coming. Man, thank you for having me, Sean. I'm super excited.

I'll share with you. You interviewed one of my personal heroes, Josh. And I was like, I need to meet this guy. Well, you know, we, I was, I went to, so we went to Bancapt. That's how we met. Josh had been on me. And I was, I kept telling him. I was like, not conflicted, but I'm like, I just don't feel like this, like, giant need I need to go to man camp.

And Josh wouldn't take that for an answer. He just was like, no, no, no. So shut out to Josh because he gave me his cabin for the weekend. So he gave me a bed to sleep on. He's like, don't bring anything. I just want you to come. Bring some podcast gear if you want to and just come. Just come.

And then I got there and I'm like, well, where are you sleeping? He's like in a tent. And that night it was like plus two. Right. And I'm like, that's Josh, man. That is Josh, in a nutshell. And so, you know, Saturday night, I'm sitting there and I'm watching all these, you know, I get kind of people watching. I'm just sitting there and I'm enjoying conversation.

I kind of like, as everybody knows, I can kind of be kind of social, you know, so I'm just bouncing around from different conversations and hearing what people are talking about. And there's these three, well, two at the time, burly biker guys. And I'm like, these guys got to have a story. I'm just curious, right? And so we get talking and they introduce me to you. That's a very short, abrupt version of how I get introduced to Gary. But for the listener, they're going to be like, okay, here's this giant of a man sitting in the studio with Sean. Let's hear part of his story.

However long, short you want to go, I'm very appreciative I got to meet you guys. And then for me to be like, you want to come on a podcast? You're like, yeah, come this week. All right. Sounds good. Let's do it. Yeah, I'm kind of a guy that just, I want to get stuff done. You know, part of my story is for 29 years.

I didn't walk with the Lord. And I did my own thing, ruled my own life. And I, or at least I thought so. And I quickly steered towards crash and burn, if you like, you know. And then I found the Lord in a crazy, crazy way. Like, at that time, people would have said coincidence. Well, I know I don't believe in coincidence anymore. Right.

But, you know, when you say crazy, crazy way, I go to Josh Brown's story. I was just explaining this, you know, like God works in really strange ways. He's got all the tools in his tool belt. He uses everything the world provides, and he does it. And right? And Josh talks about being at this party and the guy ripping the pages out of the Bible and it just starts to, I don't know, spiral or move from there, whichever which way you want to go. When you say crazy, crazy coincidence, what do you? What's your story?

So I was raised by missionaries. My mom and dad were missionaries in South Africa at a time that it wasn't politically correct or accepted that white people will serve black people. And I never knew any different. I had black aunties and uncles at church and it was just, that's how I grew up. So you can imagine somewhat isolated because in the part of society that I belonged in, i.e. whites only, I was the black pastor's kid. And then so at school you get bullied and stuff. And I was like, this got to be bullshit. I'm not into this. Like I can't hear all this love and grace

and mercy on Sundays. And then all I see from Monday to Saturday is hatred and segregation and BS, right? I just don't have time for it. You know, my meter runs very low for racism. And then when I got older, I realized that a lot of that is indoctrinated, agenda through school. Like, this is how we believe in South Africa. This is how we live our life. And then Mandela came out of jail. And he said a significant thing. I believe it changed my life. I can either come out with 27 years of hatred, or I can come out with whatever I have left in me and build this nation. And I truly believe Mr. Mandela, President Mandela, tried his very best to do that. I don't know that the guys after him succeeded, but he did. You know, he pushed that very hard. So in South Africa,

there was a time that men of color, which means darker than white, couldn't get a job purely based on skin color. It wasn't, you know, skills, school experience didn't count for. nothing. And it's crazy because just over the last two weeks, I've met men that left South Africa because of that. In 1999, I finished my trade at a diesel engine company in South Africa. I'm a machinist by trade. And I went for an interview in that company. And I was told, oh, like, didn't even have the interview. I walked into the interview and the person that was having the interview said, oh, sorry, I didn't know you were white. You can't have the job. And that was A flip of that coin, right?

So I have no way towards South Africa. I love South Africa, but they going through drinking from a fire hydrant and trying to figure out how are we going to do this together. You know, we're 100 years behind the U.S., and I don't think they've got it figured out. So I leave South Africa after my trade, and there was a little bit of basic training for military because my dad figured I need to serve my country.

I go work for our uncle and an auntie in Namibia that was 10 years independent by then. And I have dual citizenship at that time between the two countries. So I go work for my uncle and my auntie. And my uncle is just like, man, you can't get stuck in this business. You're either going to marry a cousin or you're never going to get married because that whole town was basically my mom's brothers and sisters and their spouses. So they give me the money to go to England. And I'm like, freedom. You know, like, I'm going.

Party life was big in England. And, you know, I'm a man of physical stature. I played pretty good rugby at the time. So I was even better shape than I am now. And get sucked into this nightclub security and personal protection. How tall are you? I'm six foot seven. Yeah, six foot seven.

Yeah, I walk around. You kind of stick out in a crowd. I walk around with 330 pounds or so. Anyway, basically get sucked into that industry and just enjoy life. Drink, party, chase goals, because there's no mom and dad that's going to ask me what were you up to this weekend.

Or did you go to church this weekend? Or how's your spiritual life looking? And me and my dad wasn't really on speaking terms at that time because of some tough love he showed me. and sometimes I regret that I went through that moment. But one night I'm working a pretty odd spot in England where there's thousands and thousands of young tourists and English people coming through.

And I'm the headdorman and this girl shows up. And I know her from a life in South Africa and we just hit it off. End up living together for a short time. and, you know, doing everything that I now believe people shouldn't do before marriage. And the Sunday morning she wakes up and she goes, you should come to church with me.

I'm like, you're on crack. I'm not going to no church. And long story short, I talk myself into it because I... You don't get to say those words because we're on a podcast and you can tell the story. I would love to just hear the story. Not long story short, just give me the story. Right.

So long story short, I go... I take this goal to church, not the nightclub in England that was called the church. She won the argument? She won the argument because, yeah, I was led by the small portion of my brain. And I go to church with her, and I'm like, I was raised by missionaries. I'm afraid of nobody talking about Jesus. I know all, you know, there was a time when the church had this thing. If you die tonight, where are you going to end up?

Heaven or hell? And I knew the academic answers to those. I didn't have any whatsoever fear of the church. When I do my testimony in churches, I'm like, I know how to dance to your music. And in that church, a guy invited me to a men's conference. And as a bouncer, I was like, man, if I don't work on Saturday nights, I don't have shifts on Mondays and Wednesdays and Thursdays. And unfortunately, I need six days a week.

And the nightclub I was working at, I had a pretty sweet gig. and I had seven nights a week, made lots of money. And about a week before that men's conference, he asks me again, it's like, hey, man, come to this men's conference with us. You're a guy's guy. We'd love to have you. You don't have to pay for the ticket. Like, it's just making it almost impossible.

I go to work that Sunday night after that church service, week before the men's conference. And the American owners of the building, which our nightclub is in, wants to do an extreme makeover, and they're going to be closed for two weeks. And one thing that I'm kind of proud of is my dad taught me avoid lying at all costs. So I phoned up past Mark, and I was like, hey, Mark, I'm not having work for the next two weeks. My nightclub is going to be shut down for a renovation. I'm coming to that men's conference.

So when I was 18, I rolled a car of my dad, and I was supposed to be dead. my dad was first on the scene and I knew about this prayer all my life he prayed a prayer he said father is if they still work for my son in your kingdom please save his life this is before internet and uh at that man's con men's conference a guy came he was from abundant life church in bradford england and he did altar call and he said this he said there's somebody here tonight whose dad prayed this prayer over his life and you kind of chose to walk away from it ever since that prayer was prayed.

So all of a sudden I was the only guy in the room. You know, and I was like, Dad, you set this up, you call them. That's what pastors do, right? They have time to call each other and set things up so that their kids can get saved. So I left. I didn't respond to that altar call.

I got on a train, public transport in England. You know, the penny just dropped. I haven't spoken to dad in over two years other than hey, his mom at home when he answered the phone. There was no way my dad knew I was at the men's conference because I would have never told him. I was like, how does this guy know?

Yeah, I surrendered my life to Christ my train doing about 80 miles an hour out of London. My life changed forever since. You surrendered in the train? Right there. because I knew the church formula. And the next day I responded to an altar call with other men. I just told them I surrendered my life last night,

and I was surrounded by people that just loved me unconditionally in London. And I thought they were weird. They all wore white runners and skinny jeans and t-shirts that were two sizes, too small. And they just loved me. And I was like, I don't know if I want to be loved by you guys, but it's cool. We'll do it, you know. And then the story just blew up, you know. Pastor Gary Clark immediately got me involved with volunteering in church.

I was for a short time on the security team for his church and never thought a pastor needs security. And then you read some of the messages he got in the early days of text message and mail and stuff. And it's like, yeah, you probably need some body armor on that pulpit. Because he stirred the pot in London and that church blew up and young people got saved. It was just a good, good time to surrender.

Yeah. I just want to do stuff for Jesus. And I don't care what it looks like, smells like, geographically where it's at. If God needs me there, it'll move me there and I'll go. I've got to finish, I got to finish reading this book because it has been playing, it's been, it's kind of been living in my brain and I haven't finished it. My wife bought a book from the conference we were at.

So I don't know about you. I've had these moments in my life now. It doesn't happen often. But every once in a while, I have this moment where I'm in the wrong place. And I know it. I'm like, I'm in the wrong place. And folks, I don't mean in the sense of like, I don't know, like there's 10 dangerous men and you're about to get in a bar fight. Certainly, we probably, most of us have been there too.

But I just mean like, there's nothing going on. It doesn't, there's nothing even visible. Yeah. But you know you're in the wrong place. and that happened to me. So one of the things that came out of that is I was like, I want to go somewhere with my wife and I want to do a couple's conference.

So we went to Lake Louise. Awesome. And did, forgive me, folks, I think it's Family Life Canada puts them on. Showed it to Blaine, Stefan. Focus on the family, maybe? Focus on your marriage. It was marriage specifically.

The organization I'm thinking about is called Focus on the Family and they love doing stuff at Lake Louise. So that's why I'm asking. I don't know enough about it. I went, a friend of mine who's in one of our men's groups suggested it. I was like, you know, normally I'd be like, man, I don't know. It's got a little Christian tinge to it. So I did the first test.

I threw it up my wife thinking she'd be like, I'm not going. She was like, if that's what you want to do, I'll go. And I'm like, well, that didn't work. Right. Anyways, so we went, had a lovely time. If you've never been to Lake Louise, it's like one of the most beautiful places in all of Canada. Yeah, amen.

And we, you know, we got to work on, or talk about some things one-on-one. And I love hanging out with my wife. That's why I married her. I didn't marry her because I just, she's got a nice body, which she does. But she, like, she's got a brain that rivals mine probably defeats me more times than not. And so anyways, we get home, she bought this book. And I, you know, she's a teacher, so books come in all the time.

And I'm thinking, uh, no, it's just in our school book. and I open it up, and it's nine ways to connect to God, and it came from the conference are at. And I was like, huh, did not see that coming. So I opened it up and read the prologue, and the prologue's talking about how people connect to God, obviously, title. But he's just saying, like, you know, not everybody walks into church and bang, there it is.

Yeah. And for you, the reason I bring it up is I'm like, oh, now I've got to read it more, because you found God on a train speeding away. Yeah. And I found God in two different places, but the first one for sure was in a friend's bedroom when I felt like I was defeated. Like I don't know how better to say. I was just like being spiritually attacked in my mind.

And now I think more I was just being spiritually attacked. And I couldn't do it anymore. I just couldn't do it by myself anymore. And it was in a small, quiet space is what I'm trying to point out. And then I started reading this book. and it starts talking about how people do that in nature. But some people need the music. Some people need a certain smell.

Some people need everybody around them, right? And I was like, ah, why don't they talk about that in church? Maybe they do and I've just never listened. But it's always been you've got to be in church to find God. And my experience has been almost completely opposite. It doesn't mean there's anything. Yeah, that's bullshit, man. No offense to the church.

I love the church. I serve my church. I just think that's bullshit. That you can't find God outside of it. Yeah. I mean, I'm not Canadian by birth, right? And I find it tough to believe that there's Canadians that's never seen the northern lights. But I've been in the derrick of a rig when the power goes out.

And you look over the horizon and you can see the northern lights and it's purple and green and stuff. You tell me there's no God. Like I remember in elementary school we had this kid that was like evolution. It all started with a big bang. And I said, I go home because that distort me, right? Young man looking up to my dad. I'm like, Dad, what do I do with this clown? Talks about this big bang.

And my dad is like, well, I bet when God said let there be light, that was a pretty loud sound. You know? And I was like, no, Dad, that's not going to fly, right? I mean, Dad's got a wicked sense of humor. And he goes, well, son, when he talks about that in class again, ask him, who made the two molecules that had to collide? And then who supervised it till now? And to this day, that guy hasn't given me an answer.

We never talked about that again. There was a lot of big bangs in my life when dad corrected me right on my butt. But he created something by giving me those big bangs, right? He supervised it. So my old life, I've just, just ever since I got saved, you know, how does an addict coming to church? High as a kite. And I mean, as a nightclub balancer, I knew what that looked like, right? How does that addict coming to church?

Responds to an altar call. Three weeks later, he's in the choir, singing with the church. And he was healed instantly. Never went through rehab. Never went through a program. Started attending those things after he got saved. But he found God somewhere, whether it was in a gutter or in a syringe. I love those pictures where Jesus hug the guy that's trying to get the shot up his arm of heroin.

I love those pictures because I really think that's Jesus's heart towards people. It's like, please don't do that to yourself. I love you. I need you to not do that to yourself. So I just want to be that kind of a father. It's like, please don't do that to yourself. Let me sit with you. Let me come and pick you up from the bar.

I don't care how shit-faced you get there. Let me come pick you up from the bar. Please don't be an idiot that drives or races or whatever. I did all those stupid things, right? I know the risks. Please don't do it to yourself. earthly father that falls short of the glory of God. How much more does Jesus want to do that?

Right? I was, on a prayer I said this morning, this was a thought that came abruptly this morning because I was struggling, you know, I'm struggling with lots of thoughts. I think we all are, right? And, you know, I've heard, I watched a movie nefarious, and it was a very good movie. But, you know, it, it bothered me a lot.

Obviously, I'm talking about it now, right? For the listener, you can find Nefarious on, like, Prime Video. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube to rent it. It's a very well-done movie. It's a man on death roll, and a psychologist comes in because they need him to say he's sane so they can put him to death, right? And the guy claims to be nefarious, a demon. And very, very clever movie.

Very, like, you sit, I've watched it twice now because I was like, man, there was a lot in there. But the thing that I was thinking this morning, prayed about, was, you know, we give demons a lot of credit because they've been around for thousands of years and they're so clever and they can just work in your lives. And I'm like, why doesn't anybody say, guy, you've been around for thousands of years? You know the inner workings of all this. Just show me the way to defeat this so I can just move on with my life. I realize it's not that simple, but it isn't that difficult either. And the truth of the matter is, if we're going to say demons have been around for thousands of years,

Well, we got to do. So has the other side and then some. Right. I recently listened to a preacher preach about, because Lucifer is what we now refer to as Satan, right? Correct. And Lucifer was an angel, and he was in heaven. Some phyologians might even say he was so beautiful

because he was the worship angel, if you like, the angel of music. Some theologians will even say he was music. and God casted him down because he banded together people that wanted to take a stand against God and he casted him down. That's a very short, untrained version of that. And this bishop that I was listening to,

he said, so Lucifer only knows your present and your past and what you say. He cannot read your thoughts. He's not God. He only knows your present. So today and the 46 years before today, in my case. Right. And he will use your past. Yeah, you slept with lots of goals. You don't deserve your wife. Yeah, you drank lots. You don't deserve to be sober. Here, just have a whiskey with this guy. And I'm not a teetotaler by any means. But I'm just using it as an example. So he will use distractions that you gravitated. And I believe that's why addicts sometimes go back to drugs and they come back out, and then they go back to drugs, and they come back out, and it's tougher and tougher because Lucifer is getting a stronger and stronger hold. But until they take that step where it's like,

my past is buried by the blood of Christ, Lucifer really has no power over you. Because the Bible says, in Jesus' name, I can tell them out, and you shoe them like a dog that peed on the floor. You don't have to be nice to them. You can kick him in the butt out the door and in Jesus' name out. And then that's where that battle is won, man. You have the free will to make that choice that everything Jesus did for me

sets me free from all the possibilities Lucifer can use to distract me from life. And then I become more like Christ, hopefully. Right? And that's just that. So I declared war, and we'll get into the story. I really want to give you this book as a gift, but I declared war on Satan because I have nothing left to fight for in the sense of the spiritual other than another brother's soul and another sister coming to heaven with us.

I don't care what the world throws at us, whether it's a pandemic or an economic crisis or a whatever. I don't care. I just, if I can talk to a mechanic for the next six weeks about my broken Harley and maybe share Jesus with them or a tattoo artist about why I picked Jesus,

go ahead, man. I got six foot seven of blank canvas, let's do it. You know, tattoo all you want. What are we going to talk about Jesus while we do it? And that's me in a nutshell, man. Well, I tell you what, you're talking about a book before we move on. I got to give you a couple things now.

So first and foremost, everybody who comes in the studio now gets a silver coin. Oh, boy. So I don't know if you're a man of silver or gold or anything like that, but that right there, silver gold bowl here in Alberta. And I really, really appreciate it. I know, like, I go back to the Cornerstone Forum. When I had McHale Thorpe in from Panama, he teased, I shouldn't say made fun, he teased me about where I brought everybody, Lloyd Minster, the edge of the world.

and this is my edge of the world and I really enjoy being here and I really enjoy when people make the effort and so having a coin to give someone I really value what's sitting in that and what that means for society I guess and so thanks for making the tour this way

and there's a silver coin for you. Man I appreciate it. Thank you so much Sean. I love, because this is the only real currency we have in the world. This is the only thing we can truly trade. If silver value drops, we can buy less with it. If silver value goes up, we can buy more with it. It's a sign of integrity to me, so I appreciate it. Thank you so much. And you're the first

guy who's been in the studio that Kalani, another Alberta company, they wanted to give every guest that comes to the studio a cup. So you've got to tell me what color you want. Gray is my favorite color. Thank you so much. You got to show that to the, the, the, the, um, you got to show that to the, That's awesome. Thank you to Kalani and thank you for sponsoring. Thank you for sponsoring Sean so that you can stay in business. Thank you to all your local sponsors, man. I was listening this morning to one of your podcasts and it blew my mind how many locals getting behind you. And I appreciate that about Alberta. You know, I've seen it in some fundraising too, as we stick together. And I love that about, I guess, Redneck Alberta, if you like. Well, I embrace Redneck Alberta. I mean, it's what, has provided can to what it what it is right right that's my people man it's amen you know that's

that's what i liked about man camp all over again you know and like i got nothing against the suit and tie you can see me today i got my hair combed and you know i like i pulled myself a bit together uh but you know you're walking around um moose lake uh do it all like the you know uh shut out to uh the six shooters the team that won the the tug of war we won it folks uh that was That took me, you know, 400 men watching, watching men go at it and tug-a-war. That was great. But it was, it felt very blue-collar to me. Yeah, Spartan.

Yeah. To me, that's what I was born on the farm, raised on the farm. That's what it comes, being outdoors, getting your hands dirty. The conversations were just wonderful. Like, really, really enjoyed it. I love it, man. Like, I heard a man say once, if the mountain was smooth, couldn't climb it. And my dad always said if you don't start to the bottom, you will never look,

you will never look from the top down. And like in an expanse. And I was, you know, so I think men need that. We need, we need a little bit of suck and learn how to embrace the suck. And then, you know, when you've heard this term on podcasts with people you like, and, well, I like them too. I mean, shout out to, what's his name? Sean Ryan. Shout out to him. I can't believe how that man's life has changed through interviews and the way he made me think about stuff. You know, you played hockey, I played rugby. If you want to be at the top of that food chain, you've got to embrace a little bit of suck. You might have to eat a punch or two along the way and spend some minutes in the penalty box. That's life. That's how men evolve.

I want to give you this book. This book was written by James Disciple Johnson. That's not his real name. The disciple got in there when he started the club of Discipro Christian Motorcycle Club. And this book is called The Four Legs. And we use this basic tool. We continue to use it because we see men's lives changed. And the Four Legs are a daily word in prayer time, a commitment to worship music,

a regular schedule of fasting and sewing of your time, talent, and treasure. And I would love you to read it. I would love you to share it with others because I can tell you this, all my life raised in the church, this transformed my life, why we do these four disciplines.

And I would love you to read it. Well, maybe what we'll do is we'll get James Johnson on after I read it, you know? Yeah, man, I can hook you up by another guy. So you might have to wait for him a little longer than for me, but I can definitely Well, that's the fun thing about the podcast. First, thank you.

I always appreciate when somebody brings anything into the studio. I've been very, you know, like Chris Barber, leader of the West convoy that went to the Freedom Convoy, or was the Freedom Convoy. He brought me the painting on the wall. And so like, up it goes. And, well, there's just been,

there's been wonderful things that have come through the studio, and this will be added to it. Look forward to it. To any time someone says this has really changed my life, oh man, and I'm going to be interesting now because I've had books given to me. Oh, and I'm going to space on the name of it.

That is terrible. No, I can't even spit it out right now. That's interesting to me. It's almost like it. But regardless, I started reading a different book. I can't even think of the author's name. Like, how does that happen, folks? And it was phenomenal.

So the four legs, I'll give it a read. and maybe there's a way we can get James on at some point. And the nice thing is, is I'm not, normally it doesn't happen. You know, when I invite you, I was thinking like, oh, over the next like three weeks, yeah, I'll be there next week. Oh, okay. All right. Well, rock and roll, you know.

Yeah, well, you have a benefit because I live in Bonneville. It's not that far away. So I would have traveled for this anyways because I started listening to you because of a mutual friend, Josh Allen. And I love what you do. And I have a car that needs to be inspected before it runs out. a warranty and that dealership is in Lloyd. Shout out to Silverwood Toyota. I hope you guys start sponsoring Sean. And yeah, I was like, I'm going to be here before I have 200,000 and we got pretty

close. Well, tell me, tell me about the disciple Christian Motor Club. Motorcycle Club. Motorcycle club. Yeah. So I found the club 2016 right here in Lloyd when Lloyd still had a Harley-David-David's in dealership. I bought a Harley and I wrote it. I wrote with the Harley Davidson Owners group. I met a man. He quoted scripture and then he said what the pastor said and that scripture was way out of context and I just had a polite conversation about like, did you read the, like maybe the chapter or maybe a couple of paragraphs around? Because I'm pretty sure with that, I can't remember the scripture. I wish I could, but, you know, memory loss from bad habits. But he was like, what are you talking about?

I just heard him on serious radio. And I was like, do you have a Bible? And he's like, no. And I'm like, as soon as my Harley comes out of that dealership after the oil change, I'm going to race back to Bonneville, grab a Bible, and before these bikers have wings tonight, I'm going to give him a Bible in his hand. And a man that was in the program is part of the club now,

still just spoke to him on the phone this morning. came up to me, it's like, hey man, what are you doing? It's like giving a Bible to a friend of mine. And I had no idea. But anyway, Discipro Christian Motorcycle Club. You had no idea what? From what a three-piece patch is. I had no idea what a motorcycle club is.

Like in South Africa, motorcycles are sometimes primary transport. So here it seems to be a hobby because we only have six months of riding season. And that's why I looked for a community, because I phone guys and I go, hey, let's go for a ride. And they go, man, it's too odd. I'm like, were we not waiting for summer to do this? Or it's too windy or it's raining or whatever. I'm like, if you buy a motorcycle for that kind of money,

you better ride it every day that you have traction on your tires. So that's why I started looking for community. And this guy walked up to me and said, hey, man, you should check out the Cyprocursion Motorcycle Club. I had no clue what a motorcycle club was. I just, I was like, I don't know. And then you go History Channel deep dive motorcycle clubs and you find everything that's BS and overblown BS, I would say.

And so now I have like, okay, this guy says Discipro Christian Motorcycle Club. Are they doing bad things? Are they gang? Are they, you know, just terrible to society? So I started following a, like a, I'll call it a Facebook podcast because it was like a live show on Facebook every Wednesday night. I started following it. And the two hosts of that show, shout out to Pony, his own international president today. But he was one of the hosts.

Interviewed one of the leaders. And they just talked about, we love Jesus. We love riding motorcycles. And we want better men, better fathers. better husbands, better employees and better employers in the world. And I was like, I'm going to dig down in this. And then in 17, my mom and dad both passed away. And Moose, the guy that I met in Lloyd, was one of my closest brothers at that time.

Like, he was just the community that I kind of gravitated to. And it was like, yeah, man, we got brothers in South Africa. I was like, what do you mean? He goes, Discipro Christian Motorcycle Club has brothers in South Africa. they'll get you from the airport. I was like, no, no, no. Nobody wants to drive to Johannesburg Airport at midnight on a Wednesday. Don't worry about it.

I'll get there myself. Well, I posted up on Facebook that I got a ticket book, expecting the people I know better would say, hey, man, no problem, we'll take you. You know? And the only person that responded at the time was one of the men in South Africa, Disciple Hogg,

and he was like, what time is your flight come in? I was like, no, no, you don't have to come at midnight. And he's like, I didn't ask you, what time is your flight coming on what day? And I'm coming to get you, and I'll drive you to you a moment at four hours across South Africa. And I was overblown by that. I was like, why would a man that's never met me, never sent me a text message, were just friends on Facebook, go, I'm there for you, brother. And I just realized that I wanted nothing more than real brotherhood.

people that will, you know, show the flip up when stuff goes through the fan. Not the ones that will cheer you on when you have to push the mop, but the ones that will show up with a bucket and the mop and push you out of the way to mop it up. Yeah. You know, and I think I had a not a false sense, but a very worldly sense of that being a balancer. You know, you see a guy get beat up across the street. You run over there and go give him a hand, right? you see a guy kicking in a door to get at a girlfriend

to go over there to give them a man right it's just my but that kind of brotherhood and then three months later my mom passed away and it was sad it was sad year for me but that time I didn't even reach out to friends I reached out to hog and I was like brother I never thought I would have to push this button twice and so needless to say when I came back

in the end of November 2018 the 2018 2017, I was like, this is it. I belong here. And I found Discipro Christian Motorcycle Club and became friends with James and one of my closest brothers today, mentor, and by no means perfect, but mentor, good father figure, man that admits to his mistakes and calls me on mine and soes into me and helps me to be a better man and a better father and a better husband, better friend. You know, I went on the website, right? I was like, what is this?

You know, like, I'm like, okay, now I'm going to do a podcast on us. I'm like, oh, what did I just sign myself up for, you know? And I literally took a picture of it. Awesome. Because on it, it said something that I've been saying sounds corny, but we started in a book, we started a book club 2018, right? And the idea was to become better husbands, better fathers. And every woman will go, oh, that's nice.

And you go, yeah, but we didn't start it to be nice. This wasn't to be nice This was like We got to talk about some stuff And stuff that matters You know And as soon as I read that on the thing I'm like

Oh this is just a different version Of what we're doing Like obviously you got bikes And obviously it's a lot bigger There's only five of us And we're not trying to grow a book club To have 8,000 members of a book club That'd be interesting

I'm sure they're out there somewhere But your The thesis of what you're trying to do Is very similar to what men's group are trying to do. Become better husbands and better fathers. If you can do those two things, chances are you're going to have a better community because you can have strong families and strong relationships and it's built on pretty much the same principles.

Yeah. And, you know, like you were talking about Sean Ryan and the journey he's had, I find it fascinating because you start talking to people and all you want to do is just get to some form of truth. And it leads you, well, leads to these conversations. In my opinion, as a man, it leads you to these conversations. Yeah, see, I believe there's no such thing as your truth and my truth. I believe there's one truth and the rest is false and that's it.

And if me and you, it doesn't matter on what topic we disagree, I mean, I know nothing about hockey goalies. Personally, I think they were just for wearing helmets. Then I watched a hockey game and I'm like, yeah, they probably need more than that, right? But I had to go watch a hockey game to find that truth. Same in rugby, right? Like we think football players are a bunch of wusses because they were body armor and helmets. And I was like, we do that without elements.

But there's probably a truth. And the more you protect yourself, the longer your career will be just, you know, rugby players are typically done before they're 30 years old. I don't know about that, actually. I interviewed an old hockey player, old, old old. And he talked about the invention of the helmet and how it's a protection. But then he said what started to happen is, you know, the game picked up. the speed of it, the danger of it, and more guys start to get hurt.

And you're like, hmm, it's almost counterintuitive, right? Like taking a slap shot at a guy in net with no helmet on. I wouldn't want to do that. I don't want anything to do with that. But being a defenseman or a forward and wearing a helmet,

you think, oh, I can run in and whatever I want to now and there will be no consequence. You look at football. Wow, I mean, look at all the problems they've had with brains. Amen. No, and I would agree that.

I don't think it's healthy to bang helmets together. and I think it gives the player, as a person that played in an impact position, it gives us a false, it's like wearing body armor on the nightclub door. They're like, I'm bulletproof. A nine-milled bullet can't penetrate me. And then a guy stabs you in your thigh or, you know, stabs you under your armpit where there's no armor. And you're like, well, shit, that was just a little butter knife that was sharpened, you know.

Then you rethink, is it worth it? Like, you still got to pay attention and watch the hands and watch the feet and make sure there's nothing there, right? And I think in rugby for us, I think a mouth guard probably has more impact than an helmet because you don't slap your teeth on each other. So, anyway, I know nothing about brain surgery. I just know we thought footballers were pretty soft. And I just don't, I know that not to be true today. That's all right. Hockey players think soccer players and baseball players are soft. Well, soccer players are soft. You know, I am.

They're fans not so much. They try to kill us. But soccer players are. Soccer fans are intense. They're nuts. You go back to the truth thing. I guess more on what I was meaning was you start out and that's, you keep digging, right? Because you're searching for truth.

And you know, this truth, that's, you just keep digging. And I've said this lots. And for me, I just. to the Bible. I just, like, it's just like, you know, like, think of the Indiana Jones movie or something where they're searching and they finally hear that clang. We found something. And, uh, you, you look back, you know, for me, I'm going, really, this? Come on. Come on. Come on. But you really start reading it, especially in today's world. And maybe always, probably always, but to me, like, where we're at in society right now, I'm just like, it just need to hear something, read something that makes sense.

Yeah. So all I wanted to do is just make sense. Oh, this makes sense. This makes sense. Are you familiar with a case for Christ? Case for Christ? Yeah. The lawyer. Yeah.

I can never remember his name. You know what I'm talking about. The liar, the truth. Yeah, I can pull it up. I literally have the technology here to pull it up here. Anyway, case for Christ was written by a lawyer that tried to disprove Christianity. And he just applied the science

of looking for facts in law. and just found more and more truth to the point where it was beyond a shadow of a doubt, right? And I think that's one way. Obviously, for me, my salvation story was a very different way. Lee Strobel? Lee Strobel. In 1980. And again, great book, like for a guy that's based on it.

Now I got to read this. In 1980, Lee Strobel, award-winning investigative reporting earns him promotion to legal editor at the Chicago Tribune. things aren't going at home aren't going nearly as well. His wife Leslie, newfound faith in Christ compels Lee to utilize his journalistic and legal training to try and disprove the claims of Christianity, pitting his resolute atheism against her growing faith. There you go. Right. There's that wife thing again, right?

You don't want to believe me? Go check it out for yourself. Be a man. Right? Like I can tell you all you want, do not go into sports cafe after man you beat up Liverpool. especially if you're in Liverpool, right? Because soccer fans are programmed that we lost the game, but we'll win the fight. But if you don't believe me that that's ultimate truth, you're probably going to find out, right?

I'm a huge fan of FAFO. Huge, huge fan. The more you mess around, the more you learn. So just the mathematical truth, right? So, yeah, and like, you know, Jordan Peterson, it's like, just speak truth. It's going to suck for a minute sometimes because I screw up and then I tell the truth and then, you know, my wife doesn't like me because I spoke the truth. But I didn't lie to her. I don't have to back up and get like a shadow story going. It's just like, babe, I screwed up. You know, one of the most powerful conversations ever was she came home and she was frustrated from work and stuff and I was doing dishes.

A good place to be when you're having a hot conversation. And my response to this three-minute vent was, babe, I didn't get up this morning to piss you off. I know I'm succeeding right now, but that was not my goal. And that was her response. She giggled, she came and she hugged me, made up, and it was good, you know. It's just ultimate truth sets you free.

And the Bible teaches that. Bible was giving me some legs to stand on. Amen. Probably in more ways than one. But I used to avoid arguments or try to, right? Even though I was frustrated. Now I pretty much go. headlong into them all the time. It does not make me a great party guest. And I think I do it in a way

that I'm not trying to offend anyone. I just, I'm tired. To me, COVID taught me if I'm silent, bad things are coming. Right. And you can take that as close to home or as far away from home as you want. Yeah. But if you remain silent when you're convicted to just say some things, right. You know, you may get it wrong. You may have to do some more research. You may have to on and on and on. But if you don't speak, man, that's, that's a type of hell I never want to live again. Yeah.

Like, um, which is wild because on the podcast, everybody knew I was speaking, but around everything else, I got to the point, I got so beat down. I just, I'm just not going to say anything because it's,

it's easier not to say anything. It is not easier not to say anything. No, because then you, you become this recluse in your basement that knows, this is truth. Like, because you've done the digging.

right but now you keep quiet and you're just boiling that well you put any soup on an oven for long enough you'll cook it until it becomes a solid and you won't like scrubbing that pot right that's just a truth so i'm with you man it's like listen in in this life um i don't go about and beat people up with a bible and stuff but when i have an opportunity to share i'm just going to tell you what I believe to be true. And if you don't agree with it, that's fine. I don't need to raise my voice at you. I don't need to get yelling about it. It's up to you to prove that my truth is not true, and I have to be open to that conversation. Hey, you said this last time we met. I went digging, and I found the complete opposite of your argument, are you prepared to listen to it? Okay,

let's have that conversation. But I used to be the drill sergeant guy, you know, I'm the biggest, baddest boy in the room. Everybody does, as I say. It doesn't work well for leaders and for better men and better husbands. Try that with your wife for three minutes and see how quickly you end up single. Right. It just doesn't work. So, yeah.

When we talk motorcycle clubs, I know next to Nunn, you were talking about, I think, Discovery Channel or something like that and how they get it wrong. History Channel, thank you. I think of, I watch Sons of Anarchy, right? and all the gang wars going on between the motorcycle clubs and on and on it goes. You know, like, I don't know, am I allowed to say the H.A. word on podcast? That's good enough, yeah. Okay. Like, is any of it, like, obviously, lots of is true.

But as like a motorcycle club, do you have to worry about other motorcycle clubs saying, hey, listen, you can't be preaching the word of Jesus. Like, are they at all worried about you guys, or is it, like, a friend? Is it more of a friendly atmosphere or even allowed to talk about it? Man, I can only speak from my experience. Sure. I'm received well. I've done funerals for members of other clubs. I'm never going to discuss their business because I know nothing about their business.

I know this 100% for sure. There's bad people in the Catholic Church. There's horrible people in the church that's molested kids and push drugs and embezzles. money and so organized crime is everywhere up until including law enforcement so so don't don't throw that at me um i don't care i know lots of legitimate businessmen in realtors in tattoo artists and jewelers and people that do high-end work for high security um environments but because they wear a patch on their back they bully badass bikers and we don't like them and we hate them I can't speak on wars because I've never been in one.

I respect the old school values. If you come to my grass and cause a mess, guess what? We're probably going to talk about, you know, gardening for a week or two while you fix what you caused, you know. So again, that goes to that fuck around to find out, right? For men, it's, that's how it works, man. And if you're not that guy,

then we should maybe have a conversation about being a man first. I always tell my brothers this. If I'm in a clubhouse and I see another guy mess with your wife, I'm not going to come to you and look for Sean and say, hey, Sean, there's a guy over here messing with your wife. That's my sister. They are probably going to come and get you and say, hey, come and pull Gary off of this guy

because he's learning about not messing with your wife. Right. So at least that's my experience. That's my mentality is respect them. They respect you. They love you. They will show up when you need them to. You know, I'll tell you right now, man.

I know guys that if I didn't have Harley Davidson under warranty at a dealership right now, struggling to get parts and fixing my bike and stuff, and they phone me, and they, like, they owe me nothing. They just, like, bring a bike to my shop. We'll fix it right now. And because of my situation with warranty, I don't have that kind of cash or whatever.

So I can just show up to one of the best bike builders in Alberta, shout out to Dirty and his shop. I can't just show up there and say, hey, spend $20, you know, spend $12,000 and build me a road monster. Harley Davidson, fix your junk. Well, I can tell you that, I'm close to the last time that Harley Davidson works on my bike. And the next time it will be a biker that builds it, that actually rides bikes and knows about bulletproofing a motor, you know. It's that kind of environment. It's like, if you press them off, you're going to be on the wrong side of them. If you love them, they'll love you forever. It's, I always bring, I've now been around military guys. So, so like I've had lots of military

roundtables and I always talk about, well, I just got to go to Regina to be around Jamie Sinclair's retirement party, spent 34 years in the military. And military, the way those guys interacted with each other was as close to hockey players as I've seen. The way you talk about motorcycle or clubs or bikers, you'll have to forget me all the bikers out there. I don't know what the slang is. Regardless, it doesn't matter. The way you just talked about it, I'm like, oh man,

you're talking about something that's very rare on this, on the planet, like a brotherhood that extends beyond the family unit, I guess. Amen. You know, one of the clubs in Edmunds, has an Easter event for families every year. They put up bouncy houses for our kids. And the world will say, well, they're just trying to do that for a face. No, they don't.

It's because we're together every weekend, not always as entire families. And that's the one day we want to be close. And for the last two years, they've asked me to share an Easter story, i.e., Jesus came, died on a cross for us, resurrected, ascended. that's why we believe. So, yeah, I do preach the gospel. But I don't go there with my Bible and go, you got to read this and you got to believe this.

Many, many of my conversations will be like, let's say this. There's a really cool sticker in the world that says, don't let your tongue get your teeth knocked out from the biker world. Let's call it the biker world. I love that sticker. There's a proverb that says,

the mouth of a fool invites blows. It's publical, isn't it? Jesus had 12 guys. One went rogue. I call them a rat. Right? But the other 11 died for what Jesus taught them to be true. Tight circles, man.

Yeah, tight circles. One, and I like James six. You should know this. Where it talks about the tongue being the rudder of the ship. Right. And you need to try and control it. Yeah. Again, sticker in the biker will.

loose lips sinks loose lips sinks yeah the tonnitches get you stitches stitches it ditches that's for sure

you mentioned you get to you've got to I forget how you said it but I'll butcher this and then you can explain it that you've got to preside over some funerals

before and why not just have the local church come in and is that something that's because we're rejected it. There's a lot of church hurt in the biker world. You know, you go in some church and they go, look at you, you got half-sleeved tattoos. You can't be saved by grace. Or look at this guy. He was a 20-year addict and now he walks in here and he thinks, you know, like they almost want to deal with

your past and I think that's off Satan. So churches will flat out say, no, you can't hire our venue. No, you can't have your funeral here. No, you can't mourn the loss of your loved one here. because you're, according to History Channel, organized crime. Well, the Mafia has gone to church for decades, for centuries. Right? So they do lean on us, hey, man, I want to get married, but I want to do this one well. Okay, read this book. It's called You and Me Forever by Francis and Lisa Chan.

And they just give you real basics, publical basics, of how to do marriage well. Right? and then that guy reads that book and I don't know what it does to his life but I look at his I look at his marriage now and he's a stellar father and he's a stellar husband and he's doing it well so yeah that's that's my ministry man is outside the church outside the four walls and I serve in my church I love Lakeview Gospel Center and because that's where my cup gets fold but not every man goes to the same fire hydrant for water, you know. And sometimes we need to upgrade from foam cups to solo cups to S&P cups, you know. That's a progression, right? Like this cup has a better chance

of surviving at the fire hydrant than my foam cup. And I see every man carrying a cup that's either really easy to fill or really hard to fill. And it's my job to regulate the stream. And I, I see every man carrying a cup. And I'm, of information to not wreck that cup in his hand. You know? Does that make sense? It's bringing me all the way back to this book that's sitting on my nightstand right now, nine ways to connect with God, right?

Honestly, I'm like, I don't know why I didn't think of that before, right? You know, you go to church, but I have been, you know, I've been wrestling with this because I started reading the Bible on the deck in the sun and just enjoying it thorough. Right. Good place to start. A good place to start. No distractions. Yeah. And but I'm like, but you know, and over time when you're talking about upgrading the cup, it's like, I feel a pull to go back to church. I don't know what that is, but I'm like, I'm working on that.

And so we've started, you know, are we perfect? No, but I don't even know what perfect is in the church. You know, like it's no such thing. I don't know. It's really interesting. I find the most interesting conversations on this topic, although I talk with pastors. have come from, you know, like a mutual friend, Josh John. I call him the cowboy preacher because that's to me what he is. He's a big burly dude who, I've never seen anyone walk around the world like him talking about it. Does he get everything right? I'm sure he doesn't.

But I'm like, I also don't know another single soul on this planet that's doing what he's doing. And I know there's a team there, but there was just 450 dudes in the middle of the bush. And you could go to church or you could go by the fire and you could sit. and everybody's having these wonderful conversations that are trying in my, in the simplest sense, you know, because if you weren't a devout Christian, you could have just went there, sat around the fire and heard about how guys are wrestling with, you know,

being a better husband and a better father. That's what we did around the one campfire until like midnight the one night. Everybody was laughing and sharing stories about having kids and the difficulties that came with coming out of being a moron at 18 to now maybe being 38 in my case. and being less of a moron.

I still have my days. That's right. A slower moron, I call it. Because, man, I'm still sometimes. I always say, I'm fluent in dumb, but by some grace I've got some things figured out, you know. So, yeah, like I think about the weekend, right? I meet the guys from South Africa.

We get to talk a little bit. He introduces me to a mutual friend. We hit it off. He's got two young guys with them that's kind of new to faith, never been to church, Never raised their hands in worship. Never, you know, one of them as a skateboarder, he's like, yeah, I just went to this mission's trip in Mexico. And I went skateboarding with kids to tell them about Jesus.

I'm like, man, that's amazing. I got brothers in Mexico. The president in Mexico is a professional skater. Let me hook you up next time because he'll probably take you to the real slums where you tell people about Jesus on a skateboard. And as kids just let up. in that same group that those three men, that guy with the two young guys, we're just having a conversation Sunday night after worship, and one of the young men tells me that he's really struggling,

and his sister is an addict, and we don't know for sure, but she's living a lifestyle of being sex trafficked and stuff, and I was like, well, let's get her out of there. Like, let's go. I'll go pick her up right now. And he's like, yeah, I need to get a hold of teen challenge, and I was like, done.

It's like, what do you mean? Well, I have a brother that works for Teen Challenge for the men's program. His wife, to be, is the director for intakes in Teen Challenge Women's program in Western Canada. Let's go grab your sister. I bet you I can drive to Ashley's house right now and drop her off and she'll be taken in by Monday. She'll be two days sober. Let's go. And it's like, let me see if I can get a hold of it.

And, I mean, it didn't have a rosy edge, but he now. knows, right? Like he did get old his sister. She wasn't in a place where she wanted help. She swears that she's sober. No offense, but I know that's a lie. You're sober, maybe more sober than what you were 20 minutes ago, but you're not, right? Anyway, it's just like, how does God do these things? No coincidences, right? How does 400 men from all over this province and all over this country come together in the bush in moose lake alberta and the the men in that conversation got exactly what they needed you know and then the the older gentleman comes up to me and i believe we will become close friends me and him because he's like i'll take bibles to iraq like let's go let's pack a bag

backpack full of Bibles in Iraq, right? Me and him get talking and I tell him, hey, I got the hook up for Teen Challenge. And he starts crying. I'm like, you're supposed to be smiling and laughing and celebrating, dude. He goes, no, I just had a video call with my wife and how deepest desires to get that goal into Teen Challenge. And I said, babe, I have no contacts there. I don't know. I said, well, God delivered again.

You know, so it's like you think about those things, and it's just like, yeah. Well, I gravitate towards that. I need to, like, one of the things I've learned in the last couple of years is like every day, if you keep your eyes open and your ears open, scripture about that, you can see it. And you, and literally it could be just one person you talk about, you know, the man camera. It can just be one person you needed to run into and the world can change for you evermore. Or your prayers can be answered or, you know,

you go down the road. And I think about it lots because in Ottawa, I don't talk about it a whole lot. And certainly there's a lot of emotion tied up there. But there was a street preacher there. And I think with that all the time, like, you know, like maybe he went there every single day. Maybe.

And maybe he was like, like, I don't know why I'm supposed to be here. And then there's a day where Sean comes running down to him, and he can probably see me coming, because I'm running from something. And normally, any other year, Sean would walk to the other side of the street around this guy and just keep on, ears off, head down, wouldn't be looking. I need him so bad that day.

I wish I could figure out who it was. I mean, how the heck am I going to do that? Maybe someday God will put that back in the path. But there was a guy. I don't even remember what he looks like. So, I mean, it's almost like it doesn't matter. Right. But I needed him to pray for me at that exact moment.

Right. And things changed immediately after that happened because I was being, I was just, I was in a very bad state, like beyond bad. And I think one person, just one, changed the trajectory of my life. And I, you know, like, what a wild thing. So you get called to do things and people come in your life and you're like, how the heck is this happening? It's like, ah, because it needed to, it needed to because maybe it's helping somebody else

or maybe you needed it, you know, at that moment. And I think of all the people who've come in my life when I get talking about the Bible and Jesus and different things like that, which is always odd to me, even at this point as I talk about it, is it's been the cowboy preacher. It's been Tanner today who's not a pastor, right?

He's in a, what are you, Tanner? You're an economist, lay theologian who has this wonderful understanding of the Bible. It's Cam Milliken who came on stage, who used to be a pastor for 30 years in Vancouver, now works for a friend, mutual friend. and these people answer my questions all the time from a perspective that I find so unique

because they aren't actively doing it on a on a pulpit every Sunday right like they're they're just but they're so and they got rich knowledge of the Bible and that's what I want I want them to push me in the Bible more more not less and you know and now it's it's the president are you the national prison national president of a bikers group motorcycle club that's sitting across from me doing the same thing. I'm like,

this is, to me, it's wild. It's such a fun ride, right? I love it. You know, I had this dark thought back in Ottawa that the movie was coming to an end.

Take that for wherever you wanted to go, folks, just that, you know, like the movie seemed like it was coming to an end. And now I think all the time, I'm like, man,

the movie has just begun, you know, like it's, I don't even know where this thing's going, but it is a fun story to be a part of, and the adventure continues. Yeah, man.

Like, in the beginning the bike club thing was my thing right was and my wife showed me a lot of grace she was like yeah go run your program you know and then i come back from an event where where i learned something new about jesus i learned something new about people and i learned something new about life in general and i'm just excited and i'm on fire and my wife's like wow my husband is changing so i'll use a quick example my wife um she never knew me to be a servant at home. You know, whether it's picking up the kid from school, running the mail, doing.

And I'm officially the stay-at-home dad. She's the one with a full-time job. So I start pursuing this club, and one of the full patches, one of the members, teaches us your program guy for life. Whether you're in church, whether you're at home, whether you're at work. And I was like, what does he mean by that? So sit down, have a chat. He's like, when you're at these runs,

And all us members are having a meeting. What do you do? I say, well, I come around and ask, do you guys want water? Do you guys want food? Can we get you something? We just serve them, right? We just, because we want to be part of their organization, we prove that we're trustworthy of the heart of servitude, right?

And that's a, that's a power. I think a servant is way more powerful than a warrior, because you gain more flies with. Anyway. So, gain more flies with honey than with... Yeah. Shit? Yes.

Anyways. I was going to say the flies water, but... Right. Sure. So anyway, we do that at these runs. We come home, sleep deprived, because that's what we do. Sit around campfires, talk about Jesus,

and don't go to bed, right? And I come home, and I just are... making sure that there's no dishes in the dishwasher when my wife gets home. Or supper is cooked when she gets home. Or the mail is opened and, you know, prioritized. Advertising is in the garbage. The bulls are in a stack.

And then the rest of mail that we need. I guess it's garbage and bowls now that comes in the mail. But you know what I mean? Yes. Like reluctantly. I still hate it. I hate the grocery store. But if my wife says I need milk and cream, I get to go get it on my bike.

You know what I mean? I get to do that for her. I had Dave Collin on last week. And he was talking about reading books and how audio books have been, you know, he can't, he could never read, but audio books he loves. And now whenever his wife, hey, could you go pick up something from the store? In his brain, he goes, absolutely. because now he gets to go listen to his book for 10 minutes. And he goes, and those 10 minutes add up.

And now it becomes less of a chore and more of a almost like a little bit of a bonus in the day. Like I get to hop in the vehicle for you hop on the bike and flick on this book I'm listening to, learning about. And now I go and come back. And yeah, what you're saying, if you stick in a little Dave column, folks, you get to where you're like, we haven't had a dish washer for the last month. And, you know, you kind of reliant on a machine, right? But there's something like

therapeutic about doing dishes. And if I, my wife hates it, hates doing dishes. So it falls on me, which you can get grumpy about or realize I actually kind of enjoy doing them. I don't know why, but it's therapeutic. I don't know if it's, you know,

I don't know if it's warm water. I don't know if it's cleaning something. I don't know if it's getting all the clutter organized, or the next thing I do is I'll do one or two things, a little bit of music or I'm listening to an audio book or a podcast that you know take your pick depends on the mood of the day and for her and for me and her I'm like clearing off one of those tasks that she wants nothing to do with so it's like a win win win win win win I'm winning all you know and all

it is is like I don't know half an hour 25 minutes I can't tell you because the time actually goes relatively quick I'm like oh they're having more dishes no that's it oh I guess then I got to tell myself no worry Sean they will be back there tomorrow we got three young kids, the dishes stack up awfully quick. Yeah. No, that's so true. And I think the therapeutic part is the servitude. You get to tick that box for her.

And maybe you're right. Maybe it's just servanted. When I was in Ottawa, the hotel we were at the ark, everybody had these important jobs, you know, like making sure truckers had fuel, making sure truckers were fed, making sure this, liaised on with the cops, on and on and on. and the thing that I don't know if it gets talked about anymore was people were petrified, like terrified of coming downtown.

So this giant hotel, you know, how many hundreds of people it could hold on to, hold on to, could house had, I want to say three, maybe four people work and they shut down the restaurant because they're like,

nope, we're not going to house that. People can't get in and out of the city. It's dangerous on and on. And so like rooms weren't getting, cleaned. Now that goes twofold. One, I don't think they had the manpower. And two, COVID rules said you didn't go in the room, right? So what started to happen is like after day one, you know, it's a little dirty. After day two, garbage is starting to stack up. Day three, you can't get the point.

And so I started, I mean, I'm sure people were staring at me kind of strange, but I just started cleaning up the garbage and hauling it down and talking to the front desk people and be like, where can I put the garbage? No, you don't need to do that, sir. You're a guest. I'm like, no, I'm all good with it. So then I just started bringing up the garbage. So then I just started bringing down, they wouldn't tell me, so then I just started putting the garbage at the front desk. And as soon as I started doing that, well, if you're going to do it, this is where, okay. And it's funny, you started realizing in servitude how much happier people became because the little clutter or it started to disappear.

And something mentally happens when the smells or the visual or just the unorganization of that, it all gets cleaned up. Amen. Like, and you think about that in your own personal. life. I think of Jordan Peterson when he talks about you got 18 windows open, start closing some of those out and you'll probably be better off for it. He's 100% right. And that goes from our own life into our family and further out into our communities. Yeah. I mean, you said it like and there's people in the world that has a completely anti-military view. I love the military.

Why? I went to Ivy League rugby school and I was an abortive. house and there was 240 of us in that boarding house. Every morning six o'clock, your bed was made. Your cupboard was clean and folded and in order. And your laundry bag was stuck in the lower part of the hanging compartment of your locker and, you know, there was no dirty laundry on the floor. There was no garbage in the garbage cans. But it was the boys of that boarding house that mopped the floor, scrub the toilets. You know, we cleaned it. And if it wasn't clean to standard, guess what you do after lunch when you come out of that? to school. You clean that boarding house top to bottom. The military does the same thing.

And some people say, oh, it's indoctrination. It's like, no, man, just start by making your bed every morning. See how much happier your wife is when she can get in a bed that's made every day. See how much happier your wife is when she comes home and that dishwasher is completely empty. Or there's nothing in the sink. Or supper is cooked on the oven. You know? Happier. Happier. Visibly happier. Yeah.

And if you get over cleaning a toilet because you're like, I don't know, it's gross, I'm better than this, whatever you tell yourself. Because for some reason, the hold up on people is the toilet. Obviously, probably for obvious reasons. But it's funny. It's not that big a deal. And everybody, you make everyone happier immediately. And if you can clean a toilet, you can pretty much do any job under the sun. Amen.

And so in the motorcycle club, as we progress through the state, We get into leadership and we're leading men and blah, blah, blah. And we have these program guys doing all these menial tasks. You know what impact it does on a man when he finds a president of a charter or a sergeant at arms or a enforcer scrubbing the toilets? And it's like, no, no, charger, you shouldn't be doing that. And it's like, oh, I do what I want, buddy. I'm a biker.

If you want to do it, grab yourself a brush and do the other 20. Right? But you know what that does to a young man that thought toilet cleaning is below him? We have a, or I heard the saying, I don't know whose it is, so I can't quote the guy. But it says if servanthood is below you, leadership is beyond you. So if you want to be a leader one day, just be a servant. And that's what Jesus was, right? He showed up for the sick. He showed up for the down and out. He showed up for the broken. He didn't go pick his 12 from the temple. He walked a beach and a front tax collector gate and so forth and so forth, right? Fisherman tax collectors, carpenters, stuff like that.

He didn't go look for the... Wasn't one of them military or some sort of part of a group? Possibly. Yeah. Possibly? I don't know if I'm random. I'm not familiar with the story, but possibly anything. Yeah, but the lowest of us, essentially is what you're pointing out.

It wasn't the guy in the suit and tie. And that's why I come all the way full circle on the man camp. What I liked about it, there's no suit and ties. You know, like, not that they're unwelcome there. It's just like it doesn't make sense, right? Right. When you're doing Tug-a-War or his version of like extreme canoeing and getting drilled with water hoses and water balloons and throwing axes and knives.

And, you know, it's like the suit doesn't really make any sense there. It's not that there's anything wrong with this. Right, the environment didn't allow for it. Didn't allow for it. Yeah. But that's, and I believe there was men there that probably work in that every day. Oh, yeah. Well, Leighton Gray's a lawyer.

Right. Right. And he was there. Me and him sat and had a few different conversations because he's a well-known lawyer in Alberta. And, you know, podcast hosts as well. And he, I was giving him a hard time because he wasn't in the tug-a-war. Right? He's just giant of a man.

And I'm like, why aren't you in the tug-of-war? Ah, no, no. So I was giving a rough time. Now the world knows he didn't do the tug-of-war late, and you're going to have to do it next year. Yeah, but he's got lawyer sayings, man. You guys got to give him gloves. I'm not calling the man soft.

I'm just like he's got a job that he's got to push a pen around and keep somebody out of jail on Monday. So, you know, we've got to be smart too. I definitely don't want to go on a rugby pitch anymore. My flesh wants to. my brain tells me that's... Well, I still play hockey three days a week, but there's no any hitting anymore. Right.

There's a reason for that. I've had... That's it. I've had two knees go on me, so I get where you're laying down. And there's no more party till 5 o'clock in the morning after the hockey game either, because it hurts way too much. Well, I was thinking, we stayed up to that night I met you. I was up until just before one. And the next morning, I'm like, I feel like I drank all night.

I didn't have a stitch. Didn't have anything. I was just like, this sucks. and all that is is lack of sleep, right? Like, just go to bed earlier. Yeah, no. And I mean, as men, we should probably all do a better job of that. Like, you know, just turn that phone off at 10 o'clock at night.

It's still going to be an emergency tomorrow morning. Yeah. Right. For all the people listening, if there's a biker out there who wants to get involved in the club or if there's just people that want to get more involved in the club, where would they go? Yeah. So bike clubs don't recruit. We have a website, Disciprochristian.m.c.com. you can go check it out there.

You can contact us through that. But we don't recruit. We, hey, we hear. If you want to ride with us, show up for a little bit. We want to get to know you. And you basically get to date us and see if you want to be a part of it. If you don't want to be a part of it, don't be a part of it. Is there anything that, you know, if they're thinking about it right now,

hmm, this is interesting. Is there anything that, you know, besides you, you know, your mission statement, essentially, is there anything else they need to know? It will take a lot of time because we're intentional and you become part of a family of choice, right? It doesn't matter what club you become part of a family of choice. And you might want to consider the time commitment. And if you're serious about Jesus, so are we. We love that. I have a bike that can keep up. You know, some clubs are American-made.

We're not. If you can keep up, you're good. And, you know, make sure you can make sure you have to take nothing away from your family in order to join the club. The club has to add to your family. That's a good point. Yeah. Because if you, and we see it, man, men come. They do every weekend hard and then you meet his wife for the first time six months in. and she's like, I'm levered.

I'm ready to burn this to the ground. Then you know, the guy didn't do anything he learned from us. He didn't do the four legs. He didn't become a time talent guy for his family. And it's like, okay, buddy, we need to have a chat. But when we get to do the club, it's our club. I can't speak for any other club, but when we get to do Disciple Christian Motorcycle Club, pretty much every weekend of the year, anywhere in the world.

I sometimes travel 20-some days out of a month, and I come home, and I bring that servant back to the house and that leader back to the house, and, you know, the guy that gets stuff done at home, my wife loves that, to the point where she's now actively involved in our sisterhood, which is basically an extension of what we do, supporting women, right? and we believe men minister to men, woman, minister to woman. That's the way it should be. And I love it. I mean, my wife's one of the busiest people on the planet of Earth.

She's a medical doctor in Alberta. She's run over by people that need doctors and people that think they need doctors and people that have opinions about doctors, right? And to watch her in full-time ministry alongside me, every spare minute she's got, that's a huge blessing to me. But yeah, time commitment and man, we're serious about God. And we would love for you to come and explore it and see it for yourself. I'm not saying believe what I believe.

But, you know, come and drink from this fountain and see what you get from it. Show up with a phone cup if you have to. It will help you. I appreciate you making the trip today. This has been, I feel like, you know, it's only been a little over an hour, but it feels like it's been a four-hour conversation, the best-past boy, if that makes sense. Like, it just feels like times slowed right down,

even though I looked down like, I'm like, how have we only gone an hour and 20 minutes? I'm like, that may sound like a lot to you. I have no idea. No, I feel like we have so much more to talk about. Oh, well, then we can keep going. I, listen, Toyota has to do a good job of fixing that forerunner. I'm in that four until the wheels come off.

Is there something I've glazed over? because if you want to talk about anything else, I don't mean to rush you out of here. Yeah, no, I don't think you glazed over anything. I appreciate men that are serious about, let's make life better for people. You know, I truly believe deep down Chris Garber. I remember starting to see the TikToks,

and he was like, we got to do something about this country. It wasn't about the country. We got to do something about the people of this country. I don't have to make you believe anything. I just have to turn you towards truth. See for yourself. Right?

Eat from that dish. Right? Because it's so easy to, depending on your algorithm, right? I was, before the club, I was the guy that would challenge a prime minister to a charity first fight. That's how outspoken and mad I was about what's going on. And today, oh boy, your podcast might get heat for this, but today I can't help to think what would happen if our prime minister walked into parliament today and I said, I've messed up. I don't even know how long it's been prime minister, but I've messed up for the last 10 years or whatever it is.

Nine, 2015 to now. Right. I went to a man camp this weekend. and I found Jesus and I want to do stuff different Are we going to forgive him and let him lead? Or are we going to go This is like

I'm just speaking hypothetically, right? Yeah. What are we going to do if a farmer that's developed Let's say Joshua Allen goes into politics Are we going to support him Or are we going to go as a politician is a liar? Because I grew up in the house that said

If you want to know if a politician is lying Just watch his lips if they fly. is lying. Right? What do we do if Joshua Allen says, okay, it's time to do something about this. I'm going to go into politics. I think me and you will support them because we know the man, right? So I think in life that's about, I'm not here to change your mind. I'm just here to point you in a different direction. And I think we can talk about that for hours, hours and hours. it's the one thing about what I hope I do on this. I don't know if I do it well or not.

That's for everybody else to decide. But I don't want people to think like me. I actually, I want them to think for themselves. Right? And in fairness, on the flip side, when I get yelled at from time to time, I have to tune that out because I'm like, I just, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, Sean. I'm, I'm stumbling through this thing. and I've some will say I'm doing it faster than others

and others will say you're not doing it fast enough and I'm like I don't know I'm going at my pace and my pace I don't know where that puts me in 10 years I don't know where it puts me next year heck I don't even know where it puts me in a week's time but I know where I'm trying to point at and I'm just trying you know you go back to the analogy of the mountain

and you have to start in the bottom to get to the top and the other thing about that is I think it's your mountain like don't look at other people's journeys and go home better than him or, you know, like take it from a podcast. All I did was compare myself to take Sean Ryan. He has had a rise. You can defeat yourself real fast. But if I just look at where I started, I go, man, I'm, I'm going to like I'm doing okay. And when it comes to everyone's journey, like, just start, right? Start walking.

See where you get to. What does it take to succeed in hockey? Show up to the rank. Mac, grab a stick. Start. And then you got to love grabbing a stick enough to maybe strap a pair of skates on. Same in anything in life. And in your spiritual life, it's the same thing.

You just got to show up once. And then twice. And then maybe start reading for yourself. And I'm not saying read the Bible. and believe it to be ultimate truth. Be least trouble. Go dig. Maybe he found only half the evidence that convinced them.

Right? Come alongside people that's prepared to do research and base decisions on facts and walk in truth. Like, don't just go on TikTok and believe every clown that hells Jesus on TikTok. Right. I'm thankful for them. Thank you. Like, I love that marketing and everything.

advertising, but I find a lot of people that's misled. My friend that to this day is my friend. The guy that I gave the Bible right here by the Tim Hortons that was a cross from the Harley Dealer. I mean, we still see each other every other weekend and hug each other and it's like transformational. And I can tell you, I don't know that that guy has read that Bible a whole lot since I've given it to him, but he's gone and he's done some digging. You know, and then he goes and finds it for himself in the Bible and send me a text. And it will still be like, holy crap, I never knew this was in the Bible. Well, praise God it is.

Now you're convinced it was written, you know, 2,000 years ago. And it is. Yeah, I need to, I use the word shock because it's actually shocked me how much is in there. Right. Right? You think, ah, you know, I just, Marcus Aurelius comes up to me because, He's written books and he has these deep thoughts. And at a time when I read it,

and I'm not knocking the thoughts in the books. They're really brilliant. But if you go read the Bible, it's like, oh, that's where you got it. And I'm not knocking Jordan Peterson. Because he's found a way to bring, in my opinion, more people back to the Bible than anyone under the sun right now. And when I read his work, and now I'm reading the Bible, I'm like, oh, he literally just got it from the Bible.

He literally took it from the Bible and put it into, and he just found some core values that people were searching for, put it out and boom. Right. But you read it, and then you go read the Bible, and you're like, it's all sitting right here. It's like literally all sitting right here. I'm like, how did I glaze over it for so long?

Right. I think when you start reading the Bible from, I want to build a relationship with a God that I believe in the Almighty Creator of heaven and earth. And through His Son, Jesus Christ, they get to have that relationship with them. If you read from a relationship point of view, your life will transform. If you just read for facts and figures, I mean, okay, cool.

There's lots of guys that do that. They never believe, and that's it. I just think as soon as I see somebody with the Bible, I get super excited because you've got to live life with your eyes shut. If you truly read the Bible and look around you and not see. Like, have you seen the graph that, I believe John and Peterson exchanged it with Joe Rogan, where they have that hyperlink thing, the Bible references itself. Sure, yeah, I've seen it. 67,000 times or whatever it is.

And the first portion of the book was written like 4,000 years before Revelations got a full stop at the end. And then you have these people that didn't have cell phones, they didn't have internet, they didn't have phones. I don't know that they had mail, right? And they hyperlinked like that. It was prophesied here, it happened here, that kind of thing. 64,000 or 67,000 times, however many. It hurts your brain. Over 8,000 times. We can't manage that on a computer. It hurts your brain. Yeah. Like some people say, AI is close, but it's not there yet. It's one of the, I had Preston Manning on here, and his father, Ernest Manning, used to be the

Premier of Alberta, and used to do a Sunday morning radio show that was like a God, he'd preached the gospel, speak the gospel, and, you know, he was, me and him were talking after, and he said something along the lines of, and maybe it was during the podcast, you should go back and listen to it. You know, like, you know, those were the days kind of thing. And I'm like, I don't know. I feel like at some point, we're going to start to see. it happened because it's already happening in my life

like I try and you know I it's not that I don't want to talk about Jesus but sometimes I'm like oh maybe we should just talk X and it seems to come out an awful lot right now but I see it every like I see it Joe Rogan it happens on Sean Ryan Russell Brand everybody's talking about right it's just like it's so

it's just bleeding out everywhere right and yeah I don't know it's to me I'm wondering if when it starts to lead back into politics. Yeah. Because it wasn't that long ago where you could just openly talk about your faith. It doesn't mean everybody had to believe what Ernest Manning was doing, but he was free to

talk about it. Right now, secular nation, we don't do, we don't talk about that. Blasphemy if you bring up God and all these different things. And yet, the more I dig, the more I learn, I'm like, it's such a vital part of who we are. Yeah. Well, so growing up in Africa, I mean, there's still African. countries that can't wait to kill Christians, right? There's Turkey, places like that where you dare not say I'm a Christian, I'm here to preach the Bible. A missionary still go there. And years ago,

we had a Chinese missionary at our church in Bonneville. And it's a Chinese Mandarin-speaking man speak through a translator to get to English in Canadian ears. And one of the people in our church went up and said, man, we're just praying for you as the church in China. And his response was like, don't pray for us. You guys have been setting missionaries there for years. You live in the environment where you're free to worship whatever you can worship the floorboards if you want. We'll make fun of you, but you're free to worship anything you want. And you have a printed copy of the Bible, a complete printed copy of the Bible and you still worship stuff other than God. That's a crazy thought, right? In Africa, I mean, I've seen Sangomas, which is Zulu witch doctors, but they're not

tribal witch doctors. They're not isolated to the Zulu nation. But it was a Zulu woman that came in an unfortunate political environment to my dad and said, I need your help. We need to start a church. And two believers decided to start a church. And it grew and grew. It's still growing today. Right. I'm just in a place where tribal law is the ultimate law. And then you say, okay, it's not a lot. Like most tribes will kill you if you touch their children. Right. Here we are. I'm just saying there's a lot of, external influences and agendas and whatever, indoctrination, that wants to take our children away from us.

They allow to make decisions, and they don't have to tell us about it, and if we act out against it, we can get in trouble, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, no, in my house, I'm daddy. And if I'm going to go to jail for this, bring it on. Let's go. I'll write some churches, some letters, and tell them to man up. and stand up. Like, I don't know, man.

I'm not afraid of jail in Canada. I've seen jail in some other countries. I'm okay. We'll be okay in Canada. And I will say this, man, like, our children, our woman. Frustrating thing. I courted my wife by opening the door,

carrying the groceries. She's a doctor. I never told her, you're subordinate to me. I'm like, you're hot. I want a piece of this. And I'm going to do whatever it takes. And I'm going to be a man.

The guy talks shit about my wife. He's going to encounter me rapidly. Right? But I love her. And I get to serve her by holding the door. I get to make sure she doesn't carry the heavy load. I get to make sure she has her every need provided. And I'm like, hell,

She loves me. Out of all the possible choices for a doctor, she loves a balancer biker that loves Jesus. I'm just saying there's got to be, we're free to worship in this country, and if I have to go for, I hope you don't have to go to jail because you allow me to say this on your podcast. Well, I think if we get to that stage in this country, we're desperately lost. Brother, I'll see you in the yard. We'll start working out and we'll come out ten times stronger, and we'll be ten times louder, and then they will have. a real thing to fear now like Tony Olinck one of the coupes four have you I should say have you I assume you haven't listened to any fascinating I did an interview

with them via phone calls awesome and at the end he's just that piece with where he's at largely due part due to faith the Bible Jesus right he talks about it like this is wild you know I always wondered but take Nelson Mandela while he's sitting in there in prison and going and talking to him. And what he would have said back then, right? Like, you know, it's like if I could take a time machine as a podcaster and go interview all these people while their government is persecuting them, what would they say?

Well, here in Alberta, I got to sit and talk to Tony Olenick. Now it was a very interesting way of doing it, but I got to do it. And at the end of it, he's like, I'm just, you know, and I'm paraphrasing for him. But the way it impacted me was I'm at peace with where I'm at and I don't think I'm done. Is he free? No, he's in jail? He's in remand.

They've been in remand for 800 and, that's got to be 850 days now. Oh, wow. No bail, no nothing. See, and that's ultimate bullshit right there. But I'm glad to hear that he's at peace with where he's at. And I hope he does the work he needs to do because I believe that guy's testimony coming out,

and he will, I believe he will, will be 10 times more input. Can you imagine that guy's speaking at Mancamp? No, I told him I can't wait for he sits in that chair. Right. Because like what you've pointed out is what I think too. Like when he comes out, he's going to have meat behind his words. So I think about this.

Let's take Lance Armstrong. He's the dirt bag of cycling, right? that guy lived a miracle steroids and cancer treatment and surgery and experimental medicine right have you seen cancer like cancer survivors

after the killing disease ever go for a run and this guy comes back bolts back up wins the Tour de France however many times can you imagine if that guy encountered I don't know what his faith or his religion or whatever is. Then he screws up because probably greed, pride, ego, all the ugly things that sink men, right?

I want to win more. I want to be the winniest, whatever, right? Can you imagine if that guy comes and he's like, man, I messed up in whatever year it was. I got caught and by some grace, I get to tell you guys, don't do stupid like I did. there's a better way of doing it. I think that guy has a powerful testimony. Sean Ryan, like, man, we talk about him a lot. It's almost like we know him. You need him on.

I do need him on. If there's a way of somebody figuring out how to... I'm going to start bugging him on Instagram. I know he sees my Instagram messages because his little bubble pops up, or whoever in his office sees that. Anyway, I remember him interviewing guys about psychedelic treatment. got me interested because there's stuff I thought that I've been for therapy, I've got really good church around me, I've got guys like Joshua Allen around me,

and I even toyed with the idea maybe I'll go for psychedelic treatments. But because of my nightclub experience, I'm like, eh, I don't know about mushrooms, right? But he interviews a seal that went like all the weight, SEAL Team Sex or whatever. Eddie Penny, I think is his name. Talks about how did you walk away from that? How did you walk away from that constant hurt and stuff? And Eddie Penny is Jesus.

Right? I'm like, what? So now I'm following Sean Ryan because he's talking to these weird warriors like gladiators of the world. Right? And they are. Praise God for men like that. And every one of them for weeks on end. It's like, and then I found God, and I walked away from bad decisions,

and I started making better decisions. And today, some broken way, I'm not saying I've got to figure it out, but Jesus got me every time I feel like I'm sinking. And I think about that. And I remember the day I thought, there's no way Sean Ryan, a man of his caliber, leaves this Jesus top. alone. He's going to go digging. And I remember crying because I started following him on podcast, Instagram, blah, blah, blah, right? I remember the day when Twitter became X, thank you, Elon Musk.

And I read Sean Ryan's post about him and his wife went to a church at a place and the penny dropped and it became real. And today he talks on his podcast about it all the time. I'm new to this. but I'll keep digging. That kind of man, that caliber man, he's not trying out ping-pong to see if he has the skill. You know what I mean? Like, he made decisions based on ultimate facts. And I'm just like, praise God.

I hope as he grows, as you grow, you're a loud voice, but and if you know I'm excited about that in the world and if I have to go to jail for it I'm right here in Lloyd at this time on the main drag come and look for the guy with a Joshua t-shirt on I'll go to jail

I don't care I really don't the thing is we read in Alexander Soljianitsyn's book Guleg archipelago writing about the Soviets and the gulags and how they arrested people and took them away

and tortured them. It's just horrible things. There was this old lady in one of them. Part of the story. Basically said, do whatever you want to do to me because you can't touch me. And, you know, we've talked about that. That specific lady, this old

woman, a lot. Like, what didn't you? You know, like as it's going on. And eventually you get to the point of what you just said. I think, which is, once you know what life's all about, don't get me wrong, you still got to put food on the table. You got to, you know, life can be very cruel. But once you start to understand what life is all about, it's like, yeah, well, you know,

if this conversation puts me in jail or conversations like it. I'll feed your family. Then I guess to jail we go. Because the opposite, I go all the way back of being that person who won't speak their mind, and you can do it in different ways. You don't have to be rude. You don't have to grab the Bible and swat somebody across the face with it. That's not what we're talking about. If you just start wrestling with your thoughts and then start talking about your thoughts and on and on, if that becomes so dangerous that the world here in Canada deems it to be an offense,

then so be it. It is. Women's worth doing. You know, I listened to, who was it now? I think it's Marcus LaTrole, the lone survivor. He tells the story of him and his twin brother, that's now one of the members of Congress in America. When they found out about SEAL teams, I think it was Marcus that ran to his brother, and he's like, hey, I found out what we're going to do for the rest of our life. And it's like, really, what is that?

And it's like, we're going to be Navy SEAL. What is it? I have no idea, but there's a good chance we might die doing it. Okay, I'm in. At like 10 or 11. And then they ran every morning to those former Special Forces instructors farm, and he drilled them. By 17, they get to Buds in California, and those two boys become a force to be reckoned with. I think about a guy, are you familiar with Tim Kennedy? I feel like I should be. So Tim Kennedy is a guy that will tell you, I was raised to be a warrior and make bad people leak, and I love Jesus. Where have I heard Tim Kenny? Is that Sean Ryan?

Sean Ryan has interviewed him. He's a jihitsu guy. And Tim Kennedy is this wild guy that's like, I got assets in Afghanistan. It's chaos over there. I know people that know people. that can buy planes in Saudi Arabia and fly in under the cover of darkness and land in inconspicuous landing strips because my team and the engineers around it built it, hey, assets, meet us there,

we're coming to get you. Or we'll walk in 60 miles and come and walk you out of those mountains. Come home with us. That's the kind of guy Tim Kennedy is. And I just love that. And I'm like, So if Tim Kennedy can do that literally in the line of sight of whatever Afghani Taliban or ISIS or whatever has, like bullets, and he's like, that man's life is worth me walking in there to walk him out, I'll walk in anywhere and talk about Jesus. I don't care. Tom Orton's, Terry Queen. Not in a way of swatting people around the head, but I'm not going to lie about it. That's why you get along with Joshua Allen. Yeah, I'm not going to lie about it. I'm not going to shy away from it. lock me up go ahead i feel like i have this epiphany of an idea of of uh i've been wrestling with it i i don't i to explain it on a podcast maybe not the best thing to do but like man it'd be really interesting to have you and maybe joshua allen and i think of uh i think of Caleb taves i think a camillican i think a tanner in a day um there's all these different men and i'm leaving a whole

bunch out and I apologize to all the other men but like blue collar men I guess is kind of like these oddities of how they talk about this I'm like what that would look like in a round table feel like that could be very interesting yeah I think it would be hard to navigate you'd have to be the referee and go okay this is josh's 90 seconds so you're peace you say that but I don't know I think that could be a lot of fun a round table the nice thing about it is you know it's it's that's that's what it gets to do because, you know, you, you're bringing the coffee pot, you set it down, and away you go. We do it with the military all the time. The military, the military comes in, and they go back and forth, you know, and I hardly get a word in, not that I'm opposed to that,

folks, and you get to sit there and you're just like, this is fascinating, right? Now, the military usually does it with a fridge full of beer, and that's the way they operate. But everybody has their way of discussing the world of today from their lens. And I wonder if that wouldn't be a fun conversation. That's maybe my parting thought here. I think that's the craziest thing about men that are truly serious about doing what we're doing, about, you know, just sharing truth. I think that's the fascinating part is, you know, if it wasn't for God, me and Joshua Allen would have never known each other. We don't work in the same. We don't live in the same town.

We don't. And then I meet his cousin, a pastor, and he's like, hey, you should meet my, you should meet my cousin. He was this raffarian that wasn't afraid of anything, selling everything, running the streets, and he found Jesus. And now he's turning out man camps year after year. I personally believe if we can't increase the size of the building at man camp, we're probably going to see multiple man camps per year. that's what I believe right and you know you're running to these men like Joshua Allen you tell him man this camp is just too small we can't do the size event okay we'll have six events then so now we go from 400 men to 2400 men that kind of thing right like I find men like him men like

me I look for solutions I don't and sometimes I'm a bit like a bull in a china shop and we figure it out right but it's yeah it's like people ask me what's your ultimate goal here i'm like my ultimate goal is to be a good representative of what i believe because i believe that to be ultimate truth and to be as gracious as the man i believe in doing it. Never judge a guy because he wears a political statement on a t-shirt or has a train of thought because he just hasn't dug down where I've dug down. And I haven't dug down where he's dug down, right? I think there's a lot of confused people because they spend too much time on screens. Easy place to indoctrinating. I think campfire conversations are way more productive.

So if you lock me up for my faith, I'm going to have a captivated audience, just so you know, you'll have to duct tape me in a cell. I'm probably going to be in solitary confinement because I won't stop because of doors or bars or guards or what it. Shoot me if you like. I'm prepared to die for him. And that's a hard thing to say live on a podcast, but I feel if ISIS can cut off the heads of believers on a beach, because they refuse to and now Christ. I'm not scared of the average Canadian. I'm just not.

You, I can't remember, was it, he's one of the guys at the man camp. Last year you guys had a conference. It's a good thing we went for a little few extra minutes because I would have forgot all about this. You guys did a conference that brought in leadership from your motorcycle club to talk about spiritual war.

Fair. Right. Do you plan a, I assume it was a good event. That was amazing. Yeah. So are you doing it again? Absolutely. I just came back from one in Texas. So we've had two of those in the states, both host, both in the states were hosted in Dallas, Texas, and we got to host one in Cochran, Alberta. these things take a lot of money because we fly in people that we trust with that material. We need to raise about $15,000 to host another one. Again, man cam, meet a guy, heavily involved with Eagle's Nest Ranch, concede 500 people. I'm like, can you sleep them as well? Yep.

I'm like, sounds like a place for GS work on, you know, global spiritual warfare. conference basically GSWorkon.com crazy stuff. I look at the number 15 grand and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the audience is nowhere near where I'm at

and I just, I hear 15 grand I'm like, man, I know that's a lot of money. In one sense, it's like, it's a ton of money. On the other sense, I'm like, can't we just get that done tomorrow? Right, because for 150 guys, it's 100 bucks. Right. It's...

If I get 300 people, I can sell the ticket for 50 bucks each. If I get 500 people, it's like, I don't even know what the math is then. 30 bucks each? I don't know. Right? When you look back at the two you've been to,

you said you've been to two, correct? Hosted one and then been to one. Yeah. If a person was to show up to it, what are they, what should they expect, like to pull out of it? Okay, so spiritual warfare is real.

We know that since basically day three when Satan told Eve did God really say? That's Satan's trick, right? Satan knew that God told Adam and Eve, don't touch that fruit. Right? So spiritual warfare started right there and then,

because what did Satan do? He went to Eve. Did God really say you shouldn't eat from this tree? Oh, that was a lie. He's just worried that you're going to become like him. That spiritual warfare 101. pride, ego, the stuff we all struggle with today. So when God stepped in, found them in the garden,

and he didn't come to say, what did you do? He came, where are you? Because he used to come to them every night in the garden and spend time with them, right? Like the Sunday school picture of Jesus, you know, God walking in the garden. And them hiding behind the trees. Yeah, with a big oak leaves.

Anyway, fig leaves, whatever it was. So, anyway, so spiritual warfare has been here forever. And we see it in witchcraft. We see it in Santa Maria. We see it in, and some is even intertwined with some of what the Bible says. Right? God gave Adam the curse, right? He said, you will work and sweat and bleed and whatever.

And your wife, Eve, will. bear children in pain, but what did he tell them to watch out for? From this day forward, this serpent will seek to strike your heel, trip you up, you know, and you will seek to crush its head. I want to stand on that one. We have an instruction to stand on evil's head without heel. Otherwise, it's going to look to trip us up and bite us. So anyway, G.S. Workon gives us bare basic biblical truth of what spiritual warfare is and what our authority in the world as believers are. And for me, the one thing that stood out is, oh man, I'm going to butcher this, but I'll try. When God cast that Lucifer down, the New Testament talks about the ruler of this earth, and it's not Jesus.

Right? So God casted him down in the Old Testament. but the New Testament teaches us that he's the ruler of this earth and the bad things. But we, so he has a legal right. Like, let's say he holds a land title. But when Jesus came and hung on a cross, he overcame sin, and he covered all of it with his blood, which gives me birthright. And I'm fighting back for that birthright.

I think that's the big takeaway I had from this last one in Texas. So it just teaches us basic Bible truth on what's really happening around us in the spiritual realm and what our stance as believers should be against that. Did you watch the interview for Tucker Carlson and the president of El Salvador? Yes, it was fantastic. What did they do in that cabinet around that table when they didn't know? Pray prayed. Pray.

And what battle did he win first? before he's arrested a single gang member. The spiritual war? The spiritual one. I've talked an awful lot about that interview. That's a world leader saying, well, shit, we didn't know to do what. So we pray.

Prayed. Amen. Let's go. Yeah, he says something that just has, you know, because I've been told politicians like that don't exist. I've asked a lot of questions on politicians for a long time. You know, you can't go into it because, you know, you don't get paid enough. Or the next thing is it's too tough on the family life.

And the next thing is, you know, you're going to be, you know, you're going to go in with the right intentions, but too long in the system, you're going to get chewed up and spit out or become a different person or have to, you know, basically become something you're not in order to get to where you need to go. And you listen to that interview. Like, well, that throws it all on its head, in my opinion. my humble opinion if you haven't listened to Tucker

and I forget his name Prime Minister I can look it up here a quick President President President of El Salvador It's about Two weeks ago President Naib Bucale Yeah sure

I don't know how to pronounce it It doesn't matter I'm not fluent in Spanish But regardless He says you know He's talking about The gangs there And he said

And Tucker asked a question I heard there was satanic. And he's like, yeah, well, I mean, it probably didn't start out that way and he kind of goes into it. But, you know, by the end, you know, like, yeah, it's pretty bad. Yeah. But that made it easy for us. Yeah. And I'm like, that one little comment, I'm like, oh, that's fascinating.

Right. Because, you know, what do we stare out here in the West? All the satanic cults and all and how, you know, and on and on and it's almost like it's put in this position of it. It has so much power. And he just blew that out of the water in like literally five words. Yeah. How many people, like you've been around for a minute and you love in Lloyd Minister, and I don't know everything about Lloyd Minister, but I've met some hard people that used to run the streets of Lloyd Minister.

How many people do you know that messed around with Ouija boards? That I know? Yeah. Maybe one or two? I bet you you know more. More. But anyway, you know what it is. You're not foreign to it.

I'm not foreign to it. And this is what I would say. when I talk spiritual warfare or spiritual anything two years ago when I came home from Ottawa and got talking about Ottawa

somebody said oh I wouldn't know it's spiritual warfare and I said if we all know it why the heck don't we talk about oh because people will deem you crazy so when you talk about Ouija board it's like people have messed in something and they probably don't want to talk about it

so they don't talk about it unless you bring it out right unless you really dig on them So you're probably right, but I want to say one, maybe two people. Right. But you know what it is. I know exactly this, yeah. So I'm like, I'm flabbergasted by that.

And if I was 19 or 13, maybe I would have best with it. Because, man, I can bend spoons. Let's go. I'm not, like, I'm so thankful that God somehow protected me from that. I've seen a lot of other evil, but, Why would, why would, think about Joseph Comey, are you familiar? Warlord in Africa, basically blood diamond, that kind of stuff, right? So he comes, this is how the story goes.

Joseph Comey and his militia comes into a city. They kill all the men, all the resistance. Then they rape all the woman from two days. raise old to 90-year-old grandma and wipe them as much as they obviously kill a lot of them in the process. They get all the boys high on heroin, give him an AK-47, mine diamonds. If you want your fix on heroin, mine diamonds. Until that man becomes useless and then they kill him. Isn't that like a poster child for evil? Right?

I mean, I never met Osama bin Laden, but I'm thinking about how does a guy, and there's politics involved and whatever, which makes me think there's lots of satanic stuff going on in global government, but I read about a guy that he developed so much hate that he was prepared to have Boeing's flown into buildings and just kill Americans no matter what.

I don't want to get into the politics of, you know, keep your business in your country, whatever. I want to get into that. But how did that kind of hate get cultivated in a man? We talk about the war in Palestine. I think every time a soldier kills a terrorist, if that terrorist has kids, he creates more terrorists. You understand the logic I'm going out?

Listen, man, I'm all about taking care of evil. I don't know that mankind right now knows the best way of taking care of evil. The flip side of that story is, when I got saved, I was part of the Elsong Church and forever thankful for what that church did for me. But one of the things I observed as a young Christian is Pastor Gary Clark came up on the stage one day

and it's like, hey, we got this organization here. They called Compassion. Compassion goes into Uganda. Uganda is not the greatest place in Africa. And they go feed these hungry kids, and they set up school systems, and they put programs in place, and over 80% of your money that you give to compassion goes to the child you sponsor.

So Gary Clark, and he also on London, UK, went to Compassion and said, don't give me a kid in Lloyd Minister and then one in Edmonton and then one in Vancouver. Give me all the kids you have, let's say, in this town region, whatever the town was called. Like everyone that qualifies for the compassion program in this area. And everybody in the church was like kind of, why? It's like, well, think about it. if every 20 pound or 30 pound however much it was money donation goes to this region all these kids are going to benefit from this program that compassion does and then if we as the church the global church decide to go visit our kids we get to take a sponsor like terena van eventor that's a doctor you get to take pilly bob the plumber

We get to take Joe the electrician and sue the physiotherapist and John, the soccer player from church. And we're going to go visit all our kids in that region. And we're going to change that region forever because we're going to raise up a generation that knows this people that really loves them. It's going to show up. It's going to make life better. I don't know. Is that a better approach? Well, it's going from being islands to being, you know, like what does so many of us talk about through COVID is you walked into, you know, people talk about this podcast.

And I talk about like a bull barn where we all met the first time and you realized, I'm not alone. Wow. So when you talk about creating a community, I think of like a bubble. It's just a bubble on the earth that now people get to interact and they're all being affected at the same time instead of spirited. across the planet where you're just one by yourself. Yeah. And I think mankind needs to look at selfishness, self-gratification, pride, ego. Will you scrub the toilet at your church? Yes, absolutely, twice. No problem.

Let's go. Because the person that used to scrub that toilet before I showed up will find a person that that servanthood is not below me, you know, that's, I think when we live our lives like that, you get to interact with people that might not be book smart, but phenomenal, phenomenal wisdom just because of life experience and things going on. I love for that. I love for that. I never ask, like, you know, there's something that frustrates me. People come up and it's like, hey, what do you do for

living. Why do they do that? Are they subconsciously deciding to, you know, I'm going to use you an example, but I love you so you know, right? Because I ask that question, are you doing this full time now? Because from a previous podcast, I knew you did some other stuff, right? We got to share about that. But I feel like when people come up to me and they ask me, what do you do for a living? And I'm like, I'm a full time stay at home mom. I tell him that stock standard because then if he pre-qualified me to see if I'm qualified for the conversation, you can disqualify me right there, and we will have no hard feelings towards each other.

You know? But I think that's what happens. It's like, oh, you're an engineer. Oh, do you ride a Harley? Yeah, I ride a road glide and I have a little bar hopper, sportser, whatever. Oh, you got money. What do you drive? Like, that's the conversation.

You're constantly compartmentalizing everybody. Right. This is a conversation we have in the entire West. It's like, are you qualified to be in my bubble? Or I walk into your bubble and I go, what do you need? Well, I need somebody to scrub the toilet, make the egg salad sandwiches, you know. Serve. And I'm like, okay, I'll stack chairs and I'll make egg salad sandwiches and then I'll go scrub toilets because I don't think you should scrub

toilets and then do egg salad sandwiches. You know what I mean? That would be a good way. Right. So I think we need to walk into each other's bubbles with different attitudes. It reminds me of, I had this said early on about me in the podcast, which I've, you know, I wonder what that same person who once told me that would think now, because obviously COVID happened in between there and a lot of things have happened since.

but once said that I was there was a story of a young guy leaving his town and coming to they put it as Lloyd Minster and an old man asks oh how was the place or the young man asked the old guy

what's Lloyd like and he goes well what was the place you left like and he goes ah wasn't that nice of a place you know had these problems yada yada yada yada old guy goes well you'll probably find more of the same here and the next day

another young guy comes in and asked the old guy, oh, what's Lloyd like? He just moved here. And the old boy goes, well, it was a place like you left. And he's like, oh, I loved it. People were amazing. I was really sad to leave. We built a life there.

People are so kind and on and on. And old boy goes, you'll probably find more of the same. And to me, when you talk about entering someone's bubble, that's exactly it. Just, you know. Hey, humans do human things, right? Yeah. We have a saying in the club. And I don't know that it's any one of us that came up with it,

but probably somebody read it somewhere. Hurt people, hurt people. People that are hurt, look to hurt others. Well, I'm forgiven from everything I did wrong, and I get to love others. And that's all I want to do. That's come alongside.

And listen, man, Motorcycle Club 101 is Brotherhood. And sometimes things get figured out behind the outhouse or behind the dumpster, and sometimes things get figured out at the altar on our knees. We choose knees over outhouses because it stinks when you kick that thing over. But, you know, not everybody stays. People come for a season and they like, okay, I got it. And now I'm heavily involved in my church and I don't have time for the motorcycle club anymore.

Right on, brother. When we're in town, we'll let you know. right that's it's crazy how that works or you get people that's like i don't like what james johnson said or i don't like what gary said and i don't like what jim did and i don't like that he wheelies when he rides or whatever they just get in a pissing match and they get prideful and i'm out okay see you later man we didn't ask you to come here we're not asking you to stay but what you put in is what you'll get out. And that's in every bubble.

If you come to that bubble with nothing, we might keep you for a little while and you'll realize, hey, I got something that I can put into the bubble. And then the bubble gets bigger. Or you come there to come and burst out of bubble and we're like out. At the door.

Get. Right? Show him like a dog. Get out. That's, yeah. Thanks for making the trip today. I really appreciate this. I don't know where the future goes.

I haven't used that line in a while, but I feel like this is not a chance encounter by any stretch of imagination. No coincidences, man. That's right. I appreciate you coming in and doing this. Yeah, man. I appreciate you inviting me. Thank you so much.

Read that book. Let me know what you think. I will do so. You're a heavy reader, so you can probably do that in like six hours like my wife. That is not true. That is not true. But it's, well, it'll go on the nightstand and we'll start picking away at it. Amen. And then, like, I read through it because I ran the program, so I knew the heart of the founder.

But there's more coming. And I keep an eye on the space because there's the four legs, the four questions. And then we have an acronym waters that's just the word abides in your thinking and your readiness to serve. And it's like, there's bigger things coming, like, bare basic tools that just helps us. And it's backed up. by scripture. James quotes scripture everywhere in that book. Use it as a Bible study. Use it in your book club. Whatever. I don't know if your book club does Bible study together, but that's a good tool right there. Well, I'll say this about the book club five years, six years ago when we started, I don't think we were talking anything Bible. And now I don't know if there's a Friday that goes by that there isn't something brought up from a biblical framework when talking about fathers or

families or issues the world sees. So it's, I think, but I, I see that everywhere now. I just see it everywhere. I, everywhere I go, and I mean, I'm kind of an oddity on what I do for a living. Right. But like, wherever I go, it just seems to be coming up more and more, not less and less. And it gives me a lot of hope for where the world's heading, honestly. Even if there is dark times ahead, I think there's going to be a lot more people that are

starting to stand on some things with, you know, where their foundation is first. Yeah. Well, if they lock us up for our faith one day, then we'll all be in the same place eventually. We used to joke about that with being unvaccinated, you know? If they lock us all up, well, it'd be a great company. And we'll be isolated. That's right. I won't have great conversations. Maybe they'll feel is decent and the way you go. I remember a guy pulled me over. I was just out on my bike. And he was like, what are you doing? I'm riding my motorcycle. Where are you going? Down the road. Do I need an excuse to ride my, He's like, well, you should be isolated.

Well, I don't know if anything more isolated than, you know, alleged speed with a full-face helmet alone on a motorcycle. That's probably the most isolated you can be other than being in jail, which you then isolated from society but not really from humanity. So I don't know, man. I just, I think me and you think the same about these things and might have did something different in that time, but I think I think I.

told you this, you know, people told me people can't come to your house on Thanksgiving. It's like, well, as soon as they pay the mortgage here, they can tell me where people can come and go. But over here, I invite people, not some person in the office somewhere that refuse to come here and listen to logic. I'm just not that guy, sorry. Not sorry. Sorry, not sorry. Thanks again. Thank you. God bless you, man. And I pray blessing over you in your podcast. And I just think you're a loud voice for Alberta and for Canada, and I appreciate what you're doing for society, man. Well.

It's an honor to be here. Well, I mean, I appreciate the kind words. I have no idea some days. I know people are listening. I don't know what they get at all this, but I've enjoyed the conversation thoroughly. Listen, when people type comments in capitals, it's because they don't have the skill writing-wise

to use uppercase, lower-case, commas, and full-stops. So don't worry about the comments that's written in capitals. Sounds good. God bless you, man. Thanks again, Gary.