Shaun Newman Podcast - #661 - Ken Drysdale

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

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He spent 40 plus years as an engineer, one of four commissioners of the National Citizens, inquiry and founder of Manitoba Stronger together. I'm talking about Ken Driesdale. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. I have Ken Driesdale today. So Ken,

thanks for hopping on. Well, I appreciate it. It's always good to see you. And I've always enjoyed our conversations. Thank you for having me on. Yeah. Well,

I was chuckling because, you know, you have your conference coming up. I'll let you explain everything about it here. This coming, essentially this coming weekend. 21st, 22nd, 23rd. I think I got that right.

And it's funny because I got multiple things going on that weekend because I really, when I saw it first come on, I'm like, oh, that looks interesting. And the thing with going on in Alberta that weekend is Dr. James Lindsay's in town. And that's, I brought, you were so gracious, I should say, in coming to one of our for kids sake meetings and along with David Parker. And David Parker and a whole group have Dr. James Lindsay coming to Alberta. At the same time, Ken Drysdale is putting on this giant conference in Manitoba. So lots of things on the go.

Let's start with what you got going on in Manitoba. Let's hear about it. Let's hear about the idea. I'm curious because I literally, what was it? April 28th, I think it was. I had my own, I called it a forum, but the idea was bringing together people and some people from all over the world

and get them chatting about different subjects. So I see that when it comes to Manitoba, who better to lead it than you? and I want to hear all about it. Let let people know. I know I got people from Manitoba listening. They probably already know all about it. They're probably already going to it.

But if they haven't, let's talk about it. Well, you know, there's a lot to say. And I think the first part of it is, is where that has come from and why are we doing this? And you know, that goes back to me being the chairman of the commissioners for the National Citizens Inquiry. And as you know, you know, we traveled from coast to coast in Canada, stopped at eight city, spent three days each, interviewed 305 witnesses and wrote a report, a 5,400-page report, believe it or not, last November. Now, what that has to do with this is I had the unique experience

of being able to meet a lot of the people who were involved in whatever you call this movement, the freedom movement, the reconstruction movement, whatever the popular term is it is. And what I discovered in going from coast to coast is the folks in Quebec don't know. what the folks in Ontario were doing. Ontario folks don't know what they're doing in the Maritimes. Alberta doesn't know what Saskatchewan's doing. And even within those groups, in those provinces and those cities, there's isolated groups who each one of them don't know what the other one is doing. There's all kinds of disagreements and disunity that have come up. And I'm firmly convinced that a lot of this, and again, I've heard this firsthand from a lot of

these folks when I was traveling across the country. And I'm convinced that a lot of this is because of frankly what we're doing right now. You know, being a two-dimensional postage stamp on a computer screen and talking to each other is a perfect way for disagreements. You know, we saw this when email first started. We saw this when texting first started. You know, people would be mad. What do you mean by that? Well, you know, if you'd have been in a room together, breathe in the same air watching each other, talking to each other, picking up all of those nonverbal traits that we get when we're together in a room as human beings, a lot of this stuff would go away. You know, you get a chance to rebut. You wouldn't say, oh, you know, I've typed enough this morning. And they'd just leave

it. And the other person's, what the heck is going on? So what we've done is we've created, and I don't even think conference is a good term for it i don't know i'm not smart not to come up with a better term but what this is about is getting people from coast to coast together meeting each other in person realizing that we're four-dimensional beings you know we're just two dimensions on a computer screen you know breathing the same air breaking bread together talking to each other talking out some of our differences discovering what each other are doing exchanging information like in person. And we've, in order to facilitate that, in order to get people to come out, of course, we've provided what I think is an incredible program. This is a, by the way, this is a Canadian

program. You know what? Can I share my screen and I can, as I'm talking? Yeah, I believe so. Okay. I'm going to do that. You know, while you're bringing that up, I'm just going to pull the, the reason I went with forum over conference was a forum is a place meeting or medium where ideas and views on particular issues can be exchanged. And I really enjoyed that thought because, and in saying that, a guy should do the other, just so I'm, you know, as you're bringing things up, I just want to make sure. I remember going through the same thought process of what you were asking. And a conference is a formal meeting for a discussion. And so I don't know why the ideas aspect of a forum just reached out to like what I was thinking, you know, where views on a particular ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

But I found that to be, I felt like it was more of like an open, you know, an open exchange. And so I called it a forum. And saying that, I think people get from going and viewing what you've built online and seeing. it can I could be wrong but to me when I read it I get that vibe anyways so it doesn't matter if it was called a conference a forum or you know just a weekend getaway it to me what your building isn't like come being indoctrinated it's like hey we have some ideas we're going to discuss some things we're gonna we're gonna have different people standing on or sitting on stage in panels discussing different issues that we all see so to me it

already lends to what the way most of our brains are at I think right at this point so So anyways, pull, oh, sorry. Yeah, and you're right. You know, this, what we're doing here is not a talking head conference. You know what I mean by that? Yes. You pay your money. You show up.

There's a podium on the stage. Some old guy comes out or an old lady comes out and you can see their head and they, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah for 20 minutes. You're falling asleep. The next one comes to blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's no engagement and you're thinking about sneaking out in the afternoon, right? That's not what this is. This is six different discussion panels, which involves the, audience participating. Each panel is 90 minutes long. And I believe we'll probably go about 60

minutes with the introductions of the panel members and discussion. And the discussions are led by Sean Davis. And so he's shadow Davis. What do I what the heck's a matter with me today? You know, you got shot on your you got shot on your mind. Hey, I'll, I'll take it. I'm sure Shadow's like, shadow. I know he's probably going to say that to me tonight. He's incredible. He's going to moderate all of the panels. And we have panels and I'm going to share my screen right now. Can we pop that up on the on the screen? Yeah, you bet you. There you go. And so folks, you can find this at www. Manitoba Stronger Together.ca. And you go to the events page and you'll come up to this. And I'm going to talk about what all this is in a minute. But I do want to go down and I want to talk about the schedule or the agenda. It's funny. I took a picture of it this morning. And it is, it does change. You know, you'll see when you look, you see these little check marks.

That means we just changed or added to the. Okay, okay. I didn't catch that. Yeah, so just about every day you'll see those check marks move around. As a matter of fact, we had somebody like five minutes ago email me and confirm that they're coming and a really good addition to it. I'm really excited about that. But what you'll see here is we've got six different.

panels on the three days. The only talking head that occurs here, unfortunately, is me on Friday tonight just welcoming everybody. And then we're going to have a social event. We're going to lay out on our Friday night, what's going on, what you can expect. And then on Saturday we get into the program. And you can see that we have one panel called reclaiming our education system. And if people go on here and they click on this, it takes you to a, it's called a pop. It's called a podcast. and it explains what we're talking about. It gives you all of the people on that panel. It tells you what the format is.

And you can see what that's all about. And you can go through the whole thing like this. We have a group called Liberating or sorry, litigating Liberty, and that's talking about what's going on legally in Canada, who's doing what, what's going on. And we're getting a perspective not just from Manitoba or not just from Alberta or BC, but you can see we've got Miriam Bohemia on this from from Provency,

Quebec. We've got Catherine Christensen from Alberta. We've got Kelly Ann Wolf on there. We've got Jason Levine from Alberta. So you're getting a perspective from different sides and different areas. And the next one we've got there is navigating the media. And again, you can click on that. Our keynote, by the way, on Saturday night is something that most Canadians don't know about. And it's quite unusual. What we're having is we're having the heart. family come in, Megan Harper, Devon Harper, and Gal Harper, and they're going to tell you the story of their brother Garnett, who in my opinion was murdered by the Canadian government. And what happened with him, for those of you who don't know, it's a similar story to Sheila Lewis from Alberta. He needed a kidney transplant, and by the way, his kidney was destroyed by the medical system to begin with.

They insisted in the fall of 2020, 2020 that he get the vaccine, the biological injection, and he said no. So make a long story short, they treated him like a criminal. And even though his brothers tried to donate their own kidneys, they refused to do the hospital refused to do the transplant. He died. And there's a lot more to that story. Megan, his widow, left behind with five children. It's two brothers. And I believe for the first time, Megan's going to be speaking in public about this.

And then when they tell their story, we have Dr. Mark Trossy, and we have Dr. Code, who are going to come out and just talk about what happened and what's happened, what's happening in the health care system. That's our keynote. So, again, it's not me standing up at a podium, boring the heck out of you. this is something that Canadians need to know about. You know, they need to understand the depths to which our government has gone down to. Sunday, you don't get a break. Sunday, we have three panels. We have panel four, which is called Building Resilient Communities.

We have a panel on safeguarding our food supply, and that's really focusing on the role of regulations that are coming down from the provincials and federal governments that are restricting food production. And then we have something called ensuring a prosperous future, and that's more or less an intimate discussion on stage, and there will be an opportunity to participate in that. So you can click on all of those things, and you can find out exactly what's going on. When you go down, you'll see some of our sponsors. We've got sponsors, and we've got also have a list of accommodations, phone numbers, website addresses for people coming in from out of town.

we're looking for some more sponsors that would be great if we could i'm just going to pop up here i'm going a little fast but i'm going to pop up here and you can see we're talking about tickets the tickets have changed over time you know we had our early bird tickets we had a regular now we're in our last minute tickets but just yesterday you know we heard a you know an all-access ticket to this is two hundred sixty two dollars that's three days five meals included. Coffee, water, everything, all the materials, $262. And some people were saying that's too much. And I understand that. You know, we're in hard times right now. So just yesterday, we came up with what we're calling our brown bag, do-it-yourself ticket. That's $125 for all three

days. It doesn't include any meal service. So you're on your own for that. And that's where we're calling it the brown bag access ticket. So folks, that's available. It just came online yesterday. So we're listening to folks. If you page down here and you click on this icon, you will go to Eventbrite and you can purchase your tickets. You can also purchase tickets in person at the door. We're accepting cash. We also have a debit machine.

I ask people to bring exact change. You know, we're not Costco. We don't, you're all volunteers here. But of course, you're taking the chance there's tickets left. Our full capacity is 875. I think we're approaching around 300 right now. Tickets sold. There's information here.

There's a map to where you go to the facility. We're holding it in Boiseur, Manitoba. And, you know, I've been asked, I don't know how many times. Why is it in Bozajur? And I think that's a great question. I got a better one. Where is Boisier? I can't even say it.

Bozajur, French word means good day, is about 30 minutes from the Winnipeg Airport. It's a little north, a little east of Winnipeg. It's a bedroom. Okay, thank you. And that gives me at least a general vicinity. I'm like, okay, I have no idea where that is. Well, you know, people ask me, why in the heck are you doing it?

It imposes your, because it does present some challenges. It also presents some interesting opportunities. But the reason being is a simple one. In a city of 800,000 people, Winnipeg, nobody would rent us a facility. Nobody in Brandon, Portage of Prairie, Winkler, Steinbeck, Selkirk, all of the larger cities in Manitoba, none of them would rent us a facility, Boisier Wood. We had a live event there in January. Isn't that wild?

Yeah. You know, we had that in the NCI. You know, people ask me all the time about where we were in the NCI. You know, for instance, we were in Truro, Nova Scotia. Well, why weren't you in Halifax? Nobody in Halifax would rent us a facility. Toronto, we were in this crazy place just outside the airport. Why were you there?

Well, because nobody in Toronto, our largest city, would rent us a spot. Same thing in Saskatoon. The venue canceled on us a week or two before the event and we had to scramble. We were in Langley, BC, because Vancouver, nobody would rent us a facility. We were in Quebec City rather than Montreal. Nobody would rent us a facility. So I'm feeling good company. That's funny.

You know, like you ever want to do NCI and not get booted from a, maybe I'm wrong. but Lloyd Minster, I know is the edge of the world. Everybody teases about me all the time. But Lloyd Minster, I've never had an issue. Not once. March 22, as COVID restrictions fell off, I had a panel discussion, the first ever SMP presents, at the casino and Lloyd had a full house, 270 people,

and I had no complaints, no issues, no protesters, no nothing. And back then, before she was premier, we had Daniel Smith, among others, Dr. Payne. and I never got any of that flag. So like when people are canceling, but I get it because I once again, the injection of Truth Town Hall is on Monday, June 17th.

And they had their tickets pulled from Eventbrite for just having doctors to come speak. I'm like, this is wild. It's just wild. So I completely believe you. It's not that I don't believe you. I just like, all right, folks, come on down to the edge of the world, Lloyd Minster.

We'll house your events. We'll make sure that people, from all over have a safe spot to come and discuss ideas because that's what you're talking about and what a wild thing to do in today's world well yeah and you'll notice on our agenda we're not medically like we're not we're not talking about medical we're not talking about vaccines we're talking about democracy we're talking about people taking power back and we're informing people like with our keynote speaker we're not even talking about vaccines or covid's or anything we're talking about what the system did to these people it's in dispute

beautiful what they did. Ken, you're not allowed to talk to people. Didn't you know that? Yeah, well, that's part of the power, you know? I mean, and you know what? I was going to say, I want to point out, and Winnipegars are interesting about this. If you're in Calgary, explain to me whether or not you can drive from one end to Calgary or not in a half an hour, not damn likely.

Same with Edmonton, Montreal, Toronto, even Ottawa these days. So it's funny that 30-minute drive from the airport. Winnipeg to Boasger in some people's minds is an issue. Now, I did say that there was advantages to having it in Boasier. And I'll tell you what the advantages are. You can probably tell by the color of my hair that I've been around for a little while. You know, I've worked in the corporate world. I've worked in the private world. You know, I was a professional engineer for people that don't know. And I know what happens at conferences. You know, you're going to a conference in in Montreal or something, and you're there until two o'clock in the afternoon and half the people are gone to the bar or gone shopping.

or gone to see the sites. Well, guess what? Boisager is a beautiful place, but you're not sneaking out to go to the bar or go to the mall or go and see the Eiffel Tower. You're in Boisier, and we have you. So one of the other things I tell people is that prepare to be inspired,

but prepared to get tired. When you look at this agenda of ours, this program of ours, it's bang, bang, bang, bang, it's lots of stuff going on. And so you're going to be hit with a variety of things, a variety of opinions, you're going to be able to participate in that. And then the next one starts. And one of the events I didn't talk about before, I talked about the panels,

but we have at 11 a.m. on Saturday morning, something called frontline perspectives. And the subtitle is Insights from Freedom Leaders. And what it is, the best way I can explain it, and I always get yelled at for doing this, but hey, what the heck. It's speed dating for freedom leaders. So there's 10 freedom leaders. leaders coming out or whatever you want to call them and they have each have 10 minutes on the stage and the next one's on and the next one's on and the idea behind this is they get to tell

you somebody from Quebec gets to tell you who they are what they are how to contact them what they're doing how do they need do they need help can they offer help you're speaking to my soul can because you've been you've been to you you were at for the kids sake and anyone who's been to any of my events I'm a time is the utmost importance so you can say you're going to get tired but when you say but then you follow that up with we're going to have 10 speakers in an hour in what is that an hour in four hundred minutes yeah yeah well 140 an hour and 40 minutes I go that's exactly what I like I I would rather that than two speakers and they each get 45 minutes each and you know it's got this slow

monotonous feel to it you know there's a ton of information to get through fair Yeah, and that's why we've done it. Yeah. You know, and so, you know, that's a little bit about what we're doing. We're doing this, you know, we're all volunteers on this thing, you know. We've done everything we can to get the price down. I mean, if you look. No, but you listen, I understand that people are struggling right now.

But you just said five meals. Yeah. Look at the price of food right now. So you go that alone, but then you're not talking about speakers, if there's any fees attached. And let's just say they all give it to you free. That's great. Now rent a facility for three days. And sitting on this side, I completely understand is, you know, the cost of what you're doing should probably be at least double, probably.

And that way you could actually cover your costs, pay the speakers a fee, cover all these different things. then maybe make some money so that you can do it again so that you can then you can house it and do it again and again and again because if people enjoy it the problem with doing it as cheap as you can is yes you're making it affordable but you're also i've done an event um where i after everything i did i made zero dollars i didn't make a single cent and the amount of work effort and everything that goes into it. I'm not trying to, like pillage people's bank accounts. But at the same time, when you come out of it and you've made zero dollars and actually, you've probably come out less some because you know you're not putting everything on the, you know, did I charge that? Did I do

that, right? You got your little, like your, your break even sheet. When you come out and you're like, I made zero dollars, you probably lost money. Well, you do that enough as a business or a group, Where do you sit at the end, Ken? Can you tell me? Yeah, I know, you're right. You know, I'm the one who's bankrolled this from the beginning. So if it was a flop, it's coming out of my pocket. And I want people to understand that.

You know, when you look at facility rental, insurance, security, you look at the AV. You know, we have the same AV team that the NCI use. Well, that's running us 10 grand. I was going to ask. So me sitting where I sit, one of the best things I did with the Cornerstone Forum, this year was I had it filmed and then now people can go on substack and watch it the entire thing if I can't make it in person are you doing an option like that where it's an X amount and I can watch the live stream or whatever it's called uh somewhere even if I have to pay money to do it at a

later day we're not doing live stream and the reason we're not the uh our AV team is hungry to do it they can do it as you know they did it with NCI yes But the whole idea behind this is we want you in person. Yes. And if we give you an offer. I understand the mindset. Yeah, you know exactly what I'm talking about. We may, like they're filming it in 4K, and we may make snippets or videos of it available in the future.

I don't know where that's going to go in the end. Well, if I may, I would love it if you would, I can show you what we did on this side. But the way mine broke down is there was eight. 18 segments, I think, folks. And the longest segments were the roundtables at roughly 30 to 35 minutes. The rest of them were essentially 14 minutes or less of a speaker talking. Because I took the same, when you talk about speed dating, that's my jam. That makes complete sense to me.

Because, you know, the mind can only take what the buck can handle is the famous quote. And I also think, you know, there's a whole, even if your buck can handle it, when you hear the same person, no matter the information, take Jordan Peterson, take some of the best. There's just a certain limit where your brain can't take in any more the way they talk, the amount of information they're jamming on you, everything, because everybody has different quirks and everything else. So when you get it filmed and it's done, you know, over three days, I don't know what that works out to. Maybe that's like 30 instead of 18, regardless, whatever the number comes out as, I think it would be great to have the option to pay if it's 20 bucks,

it's 80 bucks, I don't care, to see what you've built there for people who just can't make it. Because I'm like, I would love to come. I'd love to see what you're putting on. And if there's a way to do that at a later date, yeah, I would be all for that. So just one more thing to add to your plate, gang, because I know you don't have enough. Well, we are talking about it. And like I said, we are, I discussed it with the AV team just yesterday. And we were talking about multiple camera angles and all kinds of others, because they have that capability.

Like they're a professional group. I don't know if you know David Lennon in his group or not, but they're... I can't say I do, but I've watched the NCI. And so I get that they're not just a guy with an iPad running or not. They're absolutely 100% professional all the way. So, you know, we've done what we can. And to get the price down, we've done what we can to get... Like, again, I want to emphasize, these are all Canadians that you're talking to here.

We're not flying in whoever from the United States to tell you what you don't really, you know, you might want to see a celebrity. I don't know why people want to. I'm not into that, but some people want to see a celebrity. That's not what we're doing. We're giving you Canadians. We're giving you the perspective from across the country. I mean, you can't believe what the heck is going on and has happened in Quebec. And we have a big contingent of people from Quebec coming.

We have lawyers. We have political activists. We have journalists from Quebec who are coming. We've got people from the Maritime, is going to tell you what's going on there. We've got people from BC. I mean, Saskatchewan, I mean, we've got John Graff and his group coming. They're going to talk about that as well.

That's a hearing what he's got to say, folks, and what they've accomplished in Saskatchewan, which most people don't even know about, is incredible. We've got people coming from Vancouver Island. And as if that isn't all enough, folks, you'll notice that, again, on the schedule, you can click on things.

But if we can just go back to the screen again, you'll see right at the top here, you can click this and you'll download a PDF press kit. It's all printed and it tells you what's going on and stuff. But one thing that is getting me in trouble, but folks, I hate to tell you this, it's here. And that is, if you click on this button, it takes you to a custom designed artificial intelligence engine that I put together using chat GPT. So this thing is free.

You click on it. You will be asked to sign up to chat GPT, but that's free. Or you can use your Facebook, sign in or Google, whatever you want. And you can come here and you can ask this thing, anything you want to know about this. the conference and and and we'll just say um what is the and you know what even if you get your spelling wrong it still gives you the right answers it's um it's interesting by the way if you're doing this on your phone you can speak to it and it will speak back to you and it will type it out at the same time for you so so you can interact with this thing just verbally by talking to it

It's literally spitting out for people who are just listening. So he asked the question, it's literally spitting out on the screen the entire schedule for the conference. Yeah, how about this one? Let's not ask what you might consider a factual question. Let's ask it, I don't know, let's see, what other conferences are going on in Canada that same time and compare value. I don't know what it's going to say, but let's find out. You know, as it's as it's as it's doing its thing, Ken, I'm like, you know, the movies Terminator, you're so going to be screwed here soon enough with all this going on. I know people are going to comment on that comment. But I'm like,

I'm watching this. I'm going, oh, man. Like, uh, I remember when I used, I can imagine the flack you're getting because I used a barcode, the first, uh, or second conference. I ever did because it's a really easy way for people to just scan and then get up to ask questions, right? They can ask questions from their phone. I found it to be really useful. I've had my hiccups with it. And verbatim across the crowd was like this, oh. And I'm like, I know.

I know barcodes are bad. I get it. But like when you're putting on, you're trying to find different ways to interact with the audience. And it's funny. The last one, the forum, I've gone all the way back to old school. Isn't that odd? we walked the crowd and ask questions and I enjoyed it in the next forum we're going to do it again and I went from the new school of like let's make it so slick and smooth to I actually like it when

people get to ask a personal question is you just have to tailor it in a way that it doesn't bleed on to be a five minute story and that's on the host or the facilitator to do that and I found people to be really respectful of it it's odd because I've gone all the from one end to the other. And it's cool to see, you know, from my eyes, it's like, you can hate CHAP GPT all you want. There is usefulness in it. And people are seeing that where that goes long term, I don't know. Now, let's see what it answered you.

Well, here's the answer. Like I said, I didn't know what it was going to say. Here it goes. It says during June 21st to 23rd, there are several other significant conferences happening. It goes into the Canadian Psychological Association. By the way, the cost of that is $700. Medical Psychology Association in Canada, $1,500. And then they compare the prices of our tickets to them.

They talk about, it compares all of these things. You know, I understand why folks are, and by the way, you were talking about these, this is the name tag so that you get, you see there's a QR code there. I'm going to close out this window. Show it again. We'll get it up a little closer on the window. So this is one of the name tags that the participants get. You'll see there's a QR code.

And just like you, I got some flag to that. And somebody said, oh, I got QR, blah, blah, blah. And I said, listen, I programmed that QR code myself. I know where it goes. And I said, you know what the solution is? Don't scan it. It doesn't scan itself. The thing is, the thing that, the thing that, you know, like the wef and all the big elites,

they're trying to use these really smart technologies against us, right? But we can use the smart technologies like we're doing right now to use it against them. And so, like, using a barcode to put us all in prison, yeah, bad thing. Using a barcode to make an event that you want to be at, move and function better is a good thing. Like, you know, it's using things for the betterment of humanity, not for the detriment. And when you look at what you're doing, I, you know, I completely get it. I'll be interested to see if at the end of this, Ken, you're like, I can't wait to use GPT again.

Or if you're like, you know what, it, I'm just going to remove it. Because all these things when you start putting on events are like learning lessons. So you're like, oh, that, that worked really well. That did not work at all. You got a professional in Shadow Davis hosting all the round tables or the panel discussions, I should say. And immediately, you got somebody. who can handle himself that's going to, you know, like right away, I'm like, oh, man, I would,

I would love to be in the audience just to hear that because normally on this end, I'm hosting. This year I had Chris Sims, a secondary. And what I found, and for your brain, what I found is, uh, different hosts have different styles of hosting a roundtable, which is really interesting. Oh yeah. And the audience, I think, no different than hearing you, like you go to your speed dating of 10 people. One speaker's going to get on and I have so many people say this. I didn't really like what they were saying. But I knew that in 10 minutes or in my case it was 14 minutes, the next person's coming on.

It's kind of me fast. And so I just got to wait and the next person comes on. And the same thing goes for a host. I actually didn't love how they host, but I knew the next roundtable wasn't going to be them. And so I was excited about that. I'm like, oh, interesting. I wonder if I need to get more hosts for the roundtables.

Isn't that an odd thing? But I wouldn't have known that unless you tried it. And you start trying these ideas and you start like maneuvering things to create the best possible thing. Now we're going back to cost. I don't know how many times I'll say this on my show. I charged $200, I think it was for the day. That came with two meals and full everything. And listen, folks, I didn't make off like a bandit.

By the time it was all said and done, you know, like I was like, holy crap. Like, am I going to break even at one point because of the cost of flying people in? of paying for hotels, of paying for the event itself. It's not cheap. And I, you know, I say that. I'm not trying to plead my case. I'm trying to plead your case for you. Because when I see your cost, I'm like, I know, that sounds beyond reasonable.

You know, like I follow Patrick Bet David. And he's got a vault conference that goes on in September. I've wanted to go because it's an entrepreneur conference. And I watch it and I'm like, man, I respect a lot of thing, Patrick. Patrick Bet David does. And to get full access, everything, to probably have a private dinner with Patrick Bet David. You know how much that costs?

10,000 US. And that's not flights or hotels. That is just the conference. And I'm like, I don't got that money. And it's in Miami. I'm like, so now I'm going to pay an extra lot, $1,500 bucks in flights or whatever it is. And then hotels.

And I'm like, this is going to cost me like 15,000 Canadian. you're talking about $262 and on top of that you know you toss a couple hotel rooms in and you're like man i don't know that's that's that sounds beyond reasonable in my opinion my problem ken is i got you nine baseball that weekend and i am beginning to value more and more and i don't know what your thoughts are on this uh but i talk to the people who are above me or older than me and they all say those years fly away like you'll never believe don't give them up for anything and so i'm like well i'm going to a union nine baseball tournament coaching and i'm going to spend time with my children and i'm hoping ken will find a way to make it so i can pay 50 bucks or whatever it is and watch

the thing at a leisurely rate if if possible online that's what i hope for your team well you know it's it's really interesting this is an interesting conversation because it was just this morning and if i was i don't need to but i can i could actually show you you the email I got this morning from somebody. And I get hundreds of emails a day, folks, if not thousands. I got an email this morning because we sent out a mailer last night and we announced the new brown bag, do it yourself, super duper cheap K-tail ticket. And I got an email this morning from some guy. You know, Ken, $162 for some guy talking on the stage, what are you going to do with all the money that you're making? And I want to make sure I know where all the profits are going

a goal. Like how much further from reality can you possibly be to say something like that? And I see so much of that and it's so divisive. You know, these accusations. I got an email a couple of days ago, three, four days ago, accusing saying that the only reason I was doing this is because Ken made so much money on the NCI that he's rich and all this stuff. And I said, I traveled the country for two and a half months from coast to coast. I spent 1,500 hours writing the report. And I've spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours traveling the country on my own dime promoting this. And the NCI didn't even pay me a nickel. My contract says a dollar, but they never paid me that dollar, by the way. So I guess I'm a free agent. But these people just come up.

with this stuff but if i but if i may can it those comments you need to file in the trash bin immediately and move on with life don't let them ruin it because i'll say i'm i'm quite open the money that i make off the s mp presents goes directly to me i'm trying to do this as a full-time perspression when i watch what you guys do and ladies i should say shouldn't single all just the man on the nci and different things like that if you made a million dollars I'd actually be okay with it. I mean, I know you're not, but I'm like, nobody else is doing it. I'm like, and it's so important.

I know. I mean, so there's going to be people that, because, but here's the thing. There are bad actors in every industry. Oh, yeah. That go out and sell you some product or sell you something and it doesn't make up what it is, and it ruins it for so many other people. But when you're doing the right thing, all you got to do is just backspace delete and move on, with life. It's like there's people who harass me all the time about a whole plethora of stuff.

Yeah. And I go, I don't know, I think about it and you know, and I go, okay, am I doing it for the wrong reasons? No. Did I approach it from the wrong? No. Did I make 10 million dollars off of a lie? No. Like, am I trying to, you know, no. And I go, so why is one person that I've never met or maybe met once in my life ruining my day yeah I'm gonna move on with my day and carry on what you're doing with Manitoba stronger together in my opinion my humble opinion which you can take or leave when I look at the website and look at what you're doing and the people you're bringing together I think it's wonderful and when you say it's strict you know not strictly Canadians there might be American in there but when you say it's bringing Canadians together you're like speaking to

my soul I'm like yes we need more Canadians speaking about what's going on in Canada Because as fun as it was to see Tucker Carlson come in, and it was, it was a cool, it was just cool. What we need is Canadian speaking to Canadians. And we need to hear what Quebec's doing to what BC has going on and on and on it goes. Because we're all in these little silos and nobody can hear. Like, you know, I looked at your list of people coming. And I'm like, oh, I know that person. I've interviewed that person.

I've interviewed that person. I've never had that person. I'm like, who the heck is that? And I'm like, if Ken's bringing them in, it's not because there's, you know, there's just some moron from, you know, Tuktiak, talk, there must be a reason. And I'm like, man, it's happening all the time on this side of things where I get some person

that comes on from some part of Canada that I've never had on before. Dr. Trozy was one of them because he's coming to Alberta for June 17th. And I'm like, how have I never talked? How have I never talked to this person before? Yeah. Like, how is that possible?

Well, that's Canada today. Yeah. Canada today is there's gonna be names and people. So the fact you're bringing. bringing them together to share stories to discuss Canada as a whole. I think it's wonderful. Don't let any naysayer get you down. I guess that's my speech of this morning, my little rant.

Well, you know, it doesn't get me down, but what it does is this. If you wake up in the middle of the night, folks, and you've got to think I'm doing something wrong, email me first and ask me. Or you can pick up the phone and phone me. My number's out there. And if you're not satisfied with the answer, go out and post all you want. but don't dream something. You know, it's kind of like I was telling somebody the other day. A lot of these folks, I think they think they're Geraldo Rivera.

You know, you remember with Al Capone's vault? You know, they had this idea. They had, for folks who aren't old enough to remember, they had this idea that he discovered where Al Capone's vault was. And they must have spent tens of millions of dollars promoting this month after month. And they had a two hour long special. And Geraldo goes down and they break open the vault and it's empty. So I think maybe people think that's, you know, they dream something up, they make something up, but it doesn't make any sense.

Well, my father and my two brothers were in a trucking company in Lloyd. And I didn't understand this until I started, you know, because I've been full-time podcasting now for, it's a little over two years. And, you know, until you have your own business, you don't quite understand. But, you know, they had this trucking company from the outside. They got trucks and men and people working and everybody thinks they're millionaire. And in fairness, I probably at some point thought, I just, you know, you get a bit, you know, like you got all this money, you know. And then you realize, no, like that is, that's not exactly how business works.

Oh, great. You got a couple pieces of equipment. Or you got X, Y, Z. And dad said, you know, he's told me lots of instrumental things, but he's like, people from the outside looking at you think you're this millionaire because you own your own business. And the facts can be further. the truth couldn't be further from you know that couldn't be further from the truth

uh and now i sit doing a full-time podcast and i have people come and ask me it from time to time for like you know like to do things i'm like and i look at like you know just like the corporate donation sheet and i look at it i'm like how much money do they think i got i'm like i i'm like i wish people can understand you know you're rubbing two pennings together some days other days not I'm not trying to plead some sad case here. It's just people don't know what they don't know. And in our world, when everybody has been lied to for so long, they think, you know, it's easy to stare at everybody and be like,

well, they're for an actor. They, they part of the CIA or whatever, RCMP on and on and on it goes. I, uh, I got told the other day that I might be paid opposition. I was like, do you listen to the podcast? Well, I've listened to some. And I'm like, have you listened to the podcast? Wow. And I'm like, no.

If that's your answer, get out of my way. Because I'm like, to the person who's been listening to me since the very beginning, they've been along for a ride because I didn't see any of this comment. I can stay here. I'm not paid opposition. I can tell you I'm not a shell. And although I have my biases, which I do, you know

but there's people who turn into one and they go you're far right I'm like what does that mean what do you mean have you been listening to me no but that's the world and so I just I don't know this is more for myself this morning I just put that that comment of

some random person that I've never met who's listened to one podcast you will be episode 660 and if you tack on every other thing I've done I'm over 800 episodes now and if you've listened to one and made a judgment on someone. I'm like, well, I don't know. I don't know what to do anymore, right? Like, just carry on and don't let it bother you. And once again, I'm probably speaking more of myself than

Ken this morning. But I look at Ken and I look at what you're doing. I've interacted with you. If people want to go back, you know, I just pulled it up. The first time I ever interacted with Ken Drysdale was December 26th, 2022. Now, we would have recorded just before then. So that's episode 362. You can go back. It was one of the top 25 episodes of 2022. It aired again, December 3rd, 2023. So we did a top 25. That came out as one of the top 25. It was really important to talk about the Drysdale report. Then you came again on episode 568. And we talked again there. That was more about the NCI. Now you're doing something again. And in that time, you've come to Lloyd Minster. So I've interacted with you in person now.

And it's why when your team reached out, say, well, could you advertise something? Why don't we just bring you on? Because I see a good man in Canada doing something that he believes can move the dial, and therefore I believe it can move the dial. I bring on Tom Luongo lots. Some people hate him. It's from Florida. And he's come to Lloyd twice now.

And he said, you know, as I'm watching the Cornerstone Forum video, because as the facilitator of the day, as much as I pay attention, all I'm paying attention to his time. I'm actually not listening much to what people say. He said some of the kindest words. He's like, you know, I don't know what Sean's doing, but I know what's important to him, and therefore it's important to me. And for someone to have their belief in me that way is really powerful. And when I see, I go, I can't be, I want to come, but I can't. But I believe in what you're doing. And the fact you believe in it, I really believe in you. Because I've seen what you've done for this country. And I've seen what you've done on the

this podcast and I can't I can't beat my chest or pound the drum for Ken Drysdale enough when I hear people wanting it cheaper wanting this and this and this if you got problems reach out to Kent because there's probably ways you can help I had people reach out to me because it was too expensive and we found ways to get them through the door because I found those people who reached out who really wanted to come really weren't being you know like mean about it they were just like I just can't afford it. Oh, okay. Let's get you through the door. The people who go on social media and blast you for being a piece of work because you put the prices at this, I don't have a

whole lot of time for that. No. No, it's a really interesting phenomenon. And you know, you, you do brush those kinds of things aside. Occasionally, I will respond, but not very often. I try to respond to everybody, but there's only so much you can do, you know, when you're, when you're, You know, when you're running around out there, you're getting, like I said, I don't know how many communications I have a day, but it's, you know, across all the platforms and whatnot, it's hundreds and hundreds of every single day. And folks, I have not made a dime on any of this. Well, I'll tell the personal story about Ken. Ken flew to our, Ken flew to our Lloyd Minster for the kids' sake. And we offered to pay your flights, and you wouldn't.

And we offered to pay for your hotel. And you wouldn't. You paid for it all. And you came and spoke at our little tiny group in law. and paid for everything. I'm like, so I already know that if people are questioning your integrity, it's like, I've seen it time and time again. And so I, you know, once again, this is me trying to bat off all the people who attack

Ken Driesdale because I think what you're doing in Canada is wonderful. We need more men such as yourself and the others. There's so many great people pulling the same direction. But for some odd reason, we stare across to the other guy pulling their rope and we want to bring them down a peg or two. And I'm like, why? We need it all. We need it all. We all need to be on the same in order to win all these different battles that are going on across this giant country. You know, we got to focus on what the enemy is. And at times, we lose sight of that because we've heard a story or we've, you know, we've seen a couple things and, you know, and it gets this questioning.

and and I don't know. To me, it's just so evident that what you're doing is great. And I hope, you know, people will attend. And then I put it on your production team. I hope there will be a way that,

you know, a little podcaster out in Lloyd Minster will get to watch it at some point because I love, you know, my brain watches other people put on conferences and stuff. And I just, I sit there and I go,

oh, that's a good idea. I should try that. I was looking at your list of the day and I'm like, I'm like, I wonder how, that'll go, you know, like, because I like to sit in an audience. As much as I like to be on stage,

I prefer to be, well, not prefer, I like to be in the audience. So then I can see what works, what doesn't, and then I can add it into the next time I do it. And I would love nothing more than to come sit and, you know, like Canadians for Truth has the veterans for freedom doing a thing. Maybe it just passed. And they have that coming up. You've got June 17th, an injection of truth. You got David Parker doing his thing. You've got your, your, your group doing their thing. You got Unity Conference. I'm spacing on what it's called out in Victoria. You know, that's Carlis Treadway's helping with that group. And they got like Zubi going there and Brian Peckford. And I go like there's all these wonderful things. And we all have to be a little bit gracious, give herself a little bit of grace knowing we can't make it all. No, of course not. And you know what? I don't want to leave that just for a moment. The Unity Conference in Victoria.

Unity Conference. Thank you. people that's Jonathan Bauer you know he came to me and he and at one point and we were talking about he was telling me well you know I've got this conference going and blah blah blah and I said to him Jonathan I emailed you two and a half three months ago to tell you that we would already done ours and we were promoting it and then and that was fine he's a good guy and then I said to him and tell you what we'll promote your conference and so we had him on our we have Manitoba Stronger Together has a every Tuesday at 630 central time we have a meeting of our membership and you know we have i haven't looked at the number lately but i think we're around i'm just going to look here as i'm talking i think oh we're at almost uh 64 000 people and so i invited jonathan he couldn't believe it i invited him promote your conference on our website and we'll promote it to our membership on our live room we've invited them two times now and we're promoting it on all of our social media.

So we're promoting his conference. It's not at the same time, but folks, there's 40 million people in this country. And if we can't fill out two or three conferences at the same time in our country, that's a pretty sad state of affairs. 800,000 people in Winnipeg. There's 1.3 or 1.4 million in Edmonton, another in Calgary and Vancouver. I don't even know what the population of Vancouver is. And we need to compete with each other for a couple hundred people.

When one's in Victoria and one's in Winnipeg, well, not Winnipeg, but you get the point. It's like, honestly, I agree 180 million percent with you. If it was Lloyd Minster, Lloyd Minster same day or what have you, I couldn't kind of get it, right? But at the same time, like, this is, this is, yeah, this is the tough thing about where we're at in this stage of things. When it was, the same thing was happening in the, during COVID, right? You had all these different grassroots groups coming up and some were trying to work together and some didn't want to work with each other and you're like, we're all trying to get to the same point. Yeah.

And then, of course, Freedom Convoy came and everybody knew, right? Everyone's like, that's the thing. That makes sense. And so it did what it did. And now we sit here and we stare at all the problems that Canada has built for itself and they are endless. One conference can't talk to them all and one conference can't give you all the tools to get through it. And on top of that, some speakers just have a, you know, like, I just interviewed Dr. David Speaker. And David's speaker has a speech impediment.

It is difficult for some to listen to. In fairness, on this side, I had to, you know, as I was telling him after, I'm like, I got to like adjust the way my brain thinks. Because for him to get thoughts out, it takes longer than some. And yet, I had two gold nuggets come out of what he said that just other people who speak real fluently and can just fire off ideas, Peter McCullough, for instance. Sometimes they can explain the same idea and my brain doesn't capture it the same way, where others can grab onto it immediately. You know what I mean?

And so like the speakers you have, what I'm trying to say is the speakers you have, the speakers that other conferences have, sometimes it takes the right speaker at the right time to hit the person and all of a sudden, boom, there it is. So to promote other people's works, it's like, that makes complete sense to me. It just does. But you know how many people were shocked that we would do that? Yes, because it's a, it shouldn't be a novel idea, but it is. It's like, no, it's all, it's me.

We're only only me. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, we're talking about, you know, that the whole theme of this thing is it's time for us to get together. And so, you know, if we did. didn't promote everything else we could. What does that say about whether we're serious or not? You know, it's an interesting thing. And, you know, in defense of a lot of this, too,

we have to remember that a lot of folks, and I hope people take this the way I mean it and listen to what I'm saying before they get mad at me. But you have to realize that when all of this happened and these groups started to form and we've done incredible work, but a lot of the folks who were involved of this we're never involved in anything like this before in their lives. Maybe they'd never even been to a meeting before or prepared an agenda or picked up a phone

and tried to arrange something. I mean, you know, we have to take our hats off what has been accomplished. I mean, it's not normally the, it's not the judges and the lawyers and the business magnets that are doing this. It's people like us, you know, ordinary folks go to work every day. So we've gone a long way. but there is a time that we have to grow beyond that and we have to see beyond, you know, what we as individuals have accomplished and start to get together.

And I'm not talking about, you know, some people accuse, well, you're trying to pull everybody together or one homogeneous, one single group. No, no, no, no, no. You know, every army has different battalions in it and different squads in it. And so nobody's trying to make everything. everybody merge into a single group, but we want each of our battalions or our troops to know what the other troop is doing so that we can communicate, we can share. Well, one of the things me and Wayne Peters were just talking about before came on with you.

Now, that isn't an interview anyone's going to find. I want to make very clear on this. Me and Wayne had, you know, once upon a time, we used to talk a lot. And Wayne Peters for me is a, who holds a very, special place. I don't know. It sounds corny. I don't know if the heart is the right spot, but in my mind, it kind of makes sense because in the middle of COVID, when I first started doing interviews, I looked to try and find, like, who the heck should I interview? And I stumbled on Wayne Peters and the doctor interviews. And he'd interviewed this series of doctors, like Byron

Bridal and Julie Panessie and Chris Montoya, not Chris Montoya. Oh, man, that's terrible. There's a group of them. Anyways, you get the point. And I was like, oh my goodness. And so I started reach on the, and for me, it was instrumental because he was ahead of me by a solid six months of interviewing Canadians, not Americans, Canadians. And I, and, you know, it set me off running. And so then me and Wayne met. And what we were, what we were saying is like, you know, as much as I want to have Wayne on to do a podcast every second week, we just need to make time to discuss what he's doing on his end because he's running a show and he's doing a load of good work and the same thing goes on this side i'm interviewing five i'm putting out five shows a week and at times you don't

have enough time to capture and catch up on everybody's content now once upon a time there's no content so we all could just soak it in now there's so much content it's it's hard to grab everybody even look at the conferences right there's just tons going on now and so we were we got talking about and i'm curious your thoughts on this topic, Ken, was, you know, you mentioned battalions. And when I look at the media landscape, I see the traditional reporter. And for me, in Alberta right now, that's Mokobazergan. He goes, he's independent, he goes and he sits out front, the courthouse of the Coutes 2 now, who are on, well, they were on trial, but I think that's been derailed.

No, it's continuing, by the way. Is it? Yep. Even with the sidewalk? Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. He sits there and interviews people nonstop.

And if you want to go find out what's happening in Coots, I know there's others. You mentioned Jason Levine. I think Jason Levine's been on top of this. And I've been trying to retweet as much as I can of his stuff. And yet I can't do. I personally can't. I just, I can't go sit there. I have a young family and a wife.

And I'm not saying these guys don't. I'm just saying. For me, I'm just where I am. So the battalion of reporters are really important, though, because of the front lines. Yeah. And if they stay there and do that, then the person who's back from that, which I think is me, needs to make sure we're interviewing so that people not only can follow that, but we can expand on the thoughts and whatever.

And there's these different battalions, and I think what's starting to happen, I think, is as we get further away from COVID, during COVID, like, we're, It was just, there wasn't any information out there. So people were just trying to get information. Now there's so much information is trying to decide where to go to get it. Do you want a reporter or do you want someone commenting on what the reporter said? And I think the battalions, if I'm going to use one of your terms, we're starting to figure out, oh, this is my realm and that's your realm.

And we can talk, but I don't really need to go step in your realm because that's your realm. And I need you to do your good work. and I need to help, you know, discuss it and promote it and kind of different things. What's your thoughts on that thought process? Well, you're absolutely right. And it's not just in that realm, but it's in all different things. You know, each all of the, not just the reporters and even the commentators, but even the grassroots groups need to be sharing what they're doing. And it's tough for, for instance, for me to go and look at what Veterans for Freedom is doing, what is Action for Canada doing.

doing what is take back Alberta doing. You can't keep up with it all. But discussion, you know, being able to discuss with or knowing a person and saying, oh, I wonder what's going on there. I'm going to give someone so a call and just get a brief update. Not stepping on your toes, but share with me what you're doing because it might be relevant to what I'm doing or vice versa. And the other thing that comes to mind on this is you, when you're involved in this, you

have to be so careful because folks it's like it's like being fed with a funnel a giant funnel you know you can only take so much before you get burned out or you get so over overstimulated or over tax that you just can't do it anymore so there's a whole bunch of things that come to play there and by letting each other do our respective jobs and touching base and supporting them is a really good way that you can discern, you know, the things you need to know that are relevant to what you're doing and let them do their job. You can't do their job. You can't do everybody's job. You know, you have to rely on certain people. And frankly, sometimes you're going to disagree, but that's okay. I disagree with my wife every once in a while. And of course, she wins.

They're asking me, I'm shocked at how many people I've talked to that are so angry about such and such. And when you get to the bottom of it, it's nothing. And it's just been allowed to fester. And maybe it's because we're all on edge, you know, look at the brink of what we've been brought to, you know, in our country and in our world. So everybody's on edge and there's these little things that are really, there's an old expression. How does that expression go about, oh, I can't remember the expression, but there's a little expression what little things spoiling the, spoiling the crop or the soup or whatever. And we really have to be on guard for that. There are so many angry people. I can't tell you who, but I had a, I'm having an email exchange that

started at about 6.30 a.m. this morning with a very well-known person in the movement. And that person is so angry that, you know, there's this blast of anger coming out. And, you know, your immediate response to that is to do this and just turn it off. But these are valuable people who have something to say and have contributed. And so I've been working with this person this morning. As a matter of fact, I had to say to him, it was my turn to respond that I had to say, oh, wait a minute, I'm going on a podcast right now. I'll be that to you. But you know, there are so many things that are coming against us. Let's not let it be ourselves. Well, and we got to have you, we got to continue to talk.

If you shut down everybody, it's tough because what you, you know, it's tough. Well, how much better are we than the CBC if we start shutting off people who are saying things we don't want to hear? You know, we, we had this at Manitoba Stronger. We had a group on, I was going to say, I can't remember who it is, but I do. It was the folks from United BC. and they were asked a question about Pierre Pollyev and they said whatever they said and that's fine, that's her opinion.

And you can't believe it. In this freedom group that we have that doesn't believe in censorship, I got emails after, you should have never allowed them to say it. So I wrote a couple of pages about what democracy is. And, you know, everybody was fine and they apologized in the end.

But people get so emotional and that their emotions get hold of them and they don't realize that they're trying to do the same thing that we're fighting against. And that's an issue that we have. And I think a lot of it's because there's so many raw feelings and there's desperation out there. And there's hopelessness with some people. But some of that is because of, I'm going to get myself into trouble again.

I'm certainly sounding like Joe Biden, aren't I? He's always going to get himself into trouble if he says anything. That's if he could say anything. But you know, the NCI, for instance, very close to my heart. I spent a lot of time and effort with them and stuff, but people ask me what I, and you know, when I was in Lloyd Minister, I talked about it being a toolbox. And it is. But the other thing, the NCI is, for instance, and a lot of these things, like even my 89-page

report I did before that, you know what they are, folks? They're the fire alarm in your house. And I ask people, when the fire alarm's going off in your house, do you sit there after hour after hour day after day listening to it? Because if you do, first you're going to get burned alive because you didn't do anything. And secondly, it's going to drive you nuts. So when people have this avalanche of information coming at them and it's mostly dire, you know, like if you read the NCI stuff, my God, the things you're going to learn and you're going to hear, but a constant diet of that with no action is what's causing a lot of this sensitivity and this hatred and this

hopelessness. So folks, find out what's going on and listen to things like the NCI, but the next step is to find an organization or a group in your area. And you may have to try several. It's like the first time you go to a restaurant, you know, you might not like it, but you go to another one. So go out and find a group that's doing what you believe in or most of what you're believing in and become a part of that. Because if you just sit there and listen to these dire warnings, these alarms going up, it's going to make you nuts. You've got to move ahead. The next step is to get involved with groups like Manitoba Stronger Together or Alberta Prosperity Project or San United, B.C. or whatever it is, what are they called, recap in Quebec? Get involved. That's the

next step. That's the release that you need. You know, I, uh, You used to get frustrated. I'd talk to all these different people. I say, okay, so you see all the problems in the world. What do you do? And, you know, I was expecting build a bomb shelter, you know? I don't know. Like just something down that right.

And one of multiple people would say the same thing. It's like, I don't know, start talking your neighbor because you're going to need, when times get tough, you need your community. So you say, get involved in a group. And I would say, yeah, I think that's a valuable statement. But I also think it's as simple as you live in town, walk over your neighbor, knock on the door, introduce yourself, say, hey, we've lived to be like a simple conversation. Simple conversation. Because you start meeting your neighbors and all of a sudden, you start saying, you start saying hi to each other. Maybe you know it.

Maybe they got young kids. Maybe you're, maybe you're older and you don't have young kids and they don't have kids. I don't know. There's a thousand ways this can go. But when times get tough, you need community. Yeah. It's not this wild idea that's, I mean, go great through history that, you know, like you need community. And where we're sitting right now, you can find information on as dark as subject as you want to go.

And I'm not saying to close your eyes off to it because that would be silly. But I am saying at sometimes just take a break and go outside and see that the sun still shining. And yes, Russia has ships over by Cuba and you go, holy crap. But I'm like, I don't know what I can do about that. We have Joe Biden in the United States, the most powerful nation or arguably one of the most powerful nations on the planet. And he can't put together two sentences and the people surrounding him want World War III. John Newman can talk about it every single day if you want. I talked about COVID every single day.

It drove me nuts. drove me to my darkest moment in history. I'm glad I'm glad I did because it also opened up a bunch of doors, but I also promised myself after the Freedom Convoy, I would never talk about one subject every single podcast for the rest of time because I started to go mental. Now, on fairness, I think for a lot of people listening, it also gave them, it allowed them to hold on.

I think it was a moment in time where we needed it more than ever. but where we sit today you know like I think all the world's problems could be solved by going to a you nine baseball game like I mean it's just kids being kids and and and that's the athlete to me I guess it's just so healthy and when you go back to your diet like you need to put in some healthy things into that diet to make sure you uh you know like a straight diet on cocaine and cigarettes probably ain't going to lean to good things. I'm just going to assume. Well, you know, you're exactly right. And, you know, Manitoba's stronger together. Look, we have, if you go on the website, it's a very detailed website. You can find out stuff about all kinds of things in government. And you can find out

real life plans as to what to do and so on and so forth. But what we've been doing in the last eight months is we haven't been pushing that so much in our membership. We've been creating community. You know, we have get-togethers where some politics is discussed and we're all having fun together. And we have a speaker every week that's about a 20-minute stint. And I'm just, on my other screen, just to give you an idea, you know, it's not all politics. We had Tasha Fishman on. We had Professor Gail Davidson on. Well, there you go. I had a discussion with Leighton on there. We had talk about the election. There's a political one. We had class action. lawsuit information, David Lease on there. You can just see it's a wide variety of people across

all kinds of interests. And again, what we're trying to do is just exactly what you're talking was. Build a community in which people enjoy being. And once you create that community, you then can start to work together. You know, you can't bring a whole bunch of disparate people together. They don't know each other. They don't have any commitment to each other. And okay, now we're going to stand up in a line and we're going to march this way. We're going to it doesn't work that way now i get criticized because ken that's going to take a long time and we haven't got that time and maybe that's right but you just can't take a group of strangers and expect them to to mark we didn't we didn't we didn't get into this in a day we ain't getting out of this in a

day i'm going to give a shout out to josh allen because he had man camp here full armor of god man camp uh last weekend and it got four hundred and fifty men to the middle of nowhere by Bonneville, Alberta. No offense, Bonneville. But, you know, it's, it's like me saying Lloyd Minster is the center of the world. It isn't. And so getting 450 men to show up to a camp about church and God and, you know, is quite the feat. And that didn't happen overnight.

His first year, I think he had 70 some his second year. I think he had 250, forgive me. I don't know the exact numbers. And this is his third year and he's got 400 and 50-ish people there. They're getting to the point where they don't know if they can house any more people in the camp. And I'm like, wow, what a, what a thing? Because you would have thought three years ago, oh, man, who's going to go to that? A lot.

A lot of people, a lot of people talking about it. Was it good? Was it just and that? And one of the things I admire about it is, you know, it took men together who probably don't all agree. And for a weekend, there was no drinking, right? Heck, I was chuckling with my brother. I'm like, I couldn't even find people smoking. I'm like, this is interesting.

I'm not saying there wasn't. There probably was. And, you know, all age ranges from I would guess 12 to the age of 90 men together talking about things that matter. And that didn't happen overnight. And I think things that mean a lot, you know, there's ways to get it done quick. I got to give props to David Parker. and the group Take Back Alberta.

But once again, although they were fast, they didn't happen one day and all of a sudden it happened. David Parker does not operate that way. He's a guy who looks at the future and maybe he can make things seem like they happen in two days, but the truth is the matter behind the scenes, there's a lot going on there. And, you know, maybe the world ends tomorrow.

It's possible. So get right, get right with God. to you know get right well and then once you're there you realize well let's get to work and work takes time and as long as you keep moving in the direction you know that you're pointed one step of time one day you're going to wake up me like how the heck did we get here how the heck did we you were in year 10 of the uh manitoba stronger together who knows maybe it maybe it maybe 10 years maybe maybe it's year three and all of a sudden you get 10,000 people descending on manateau to open and you're like man I didn't see this coming and this conversation will seem rather funny um you know

i don't know maybe that never happens maybe it does happen i just look at what joshu allen's built with man camp and i go you know year 1 70 and they were over the moon now there now there was like man was a full cow it was like five full born pigs and 200 chickens and that was just the supper meals can like to feed the people that showed up and i and all the men just we i tell you what the food was phenomenal and they're doing it not on this giant budget of charging every man a thousand dollars to go there that's not what happened it was very reasonable yeah yeah well you know that's another thing there's a couple of things in what you're talking about first off maybe the simplest one is you know i keep hearing people they're so angry because how why is it that

people just aren't what don't they understand why aren't they all in on this they've got a nobody now. And I reminded my person I was talking to this morning on our email exchanges. You know, you mentioned, you mentioned biblical stuff. And so I will mention biblical stuff. And I wonder how many people really know or understand what happened in the Exodus. If those of you who don't know, and even if you don't believe in God, the Bible is undisputably a work of literature. If you don't believe in it, it's still a work of literature. And it was written thousands of years. ago and it gives you some understanding, even as a work of literature, what's in the minds of men and what were going on. So getting back to the book of Exodus, the story of Exodus,

we all know the Israelites were in bondage for, I can't remember 490-6-year. Yeah. Yeah. And a number of things happened. Another number of plagues came. And finally, the Egyptians said to the Israelites who were slaves, you can leave. Do you know how many left? The scholars generally agree that one in five Israelites left bondage and walked out with Moses. Some scholars argue it was one in 500 or one in 50. My point is this. They were in slavery for 500 years plus or minus. And yet only one in five walked out with Moses.

And so when you talk about how many people are seeing, how many are hearing today, and they're just not doing anything, that's human nature, going back thousands of years, and we can't let that influence us too much because it only takes three or four or five percent of the population to make the change. And so we will never get 100% of the people behind us.

It just isn't going to happen. It didn't happen for Moses. I don't know what your family lineage is. You've told me once, I believe, but regardless, um, I, uh,

I just look at Saskatchewan where I grew up and the people who came. They didn't say the entire family left Britain. They say one brother had this crazy idea to go across on a ship and, and go start a new life. And if you talk to people that came out of communism, the odd time it's the entire family, but most of the time it's, it's one escaped.

Yeah. And they still go back and visit. And they're like, still go back and visit. Why, left. You know, I probably should ask the question more often, right? Because it's exactly what you're talking about with the story of Exodus is I didn't know that stat. That's fascinating. I always think it's all of them left. It's not the case. So you go, you get so caught up on what the rest

of the population is doing instead, and it brings you down instead of being, I don't know, not to get too corny, but a light, a beacon, and just shining bright and speaking the truth and going about your day and, you know, I think of Soljianitson's essay, Live Not by Lies. I just don't participate. Oh, man, you might with just your conversation alone start to get people kind of, what the heck? I, Ken, I don't know if you know this about me, but 2020, to Freedom Convoy, I would say I was raised in a Christian household, but I wasn't really an active Christian. And then for about six to eight months after, I wrestled with a lot of things.

And now I could say, oh, I'm a Christian. Heck, I just went to full man, full armor of God man camp. And it still feels awkward. I feel awkward to even talk about it, you know, in our society. You know, we're secular. And we don't talk about these things. And yet, I'm sure my audience, some of them get annoyed with me because I talk about it an awful lot. But like, there's just things going on that people need to be okay with. And in my life, I accepted that. Accepted Jesus and God and the stories and everything. And I started reading the Bible, started praying.

And what has happened now, and I scratched my head from time to time because I'm like, this is weird because like five years ago, this wouldn't happen. But like the strangest people will bring. up Jesus. I know everybody thinks I do and right now I probably am. But most days I'm not I'm not like beating the drum but it comes up over and over and over again. And then I'm like oh well yeah, I mean yeah, I'll talk about it. I got no problem talking about it. People are wrestling with things that are bigger than just the Hamilton Oilers or or some local TIF. These are like the questions of a lifetime.

There are things that you just don't solve in 24 hours. It's like even if, even if you do start praying, you go, this is the day. Now you're on a journey, I'm on a journey, that I'm like wrestling with these giant ideas. And giant ideas are very seldomly solved in one sit down. And so, you know, that's the other thing for people to understand is like some of this coming out of COVID is like, man, you thought it was just COVID. and then you start to see bigger agendas and things going on and you're like, this is so much bigger than I thought it was.

And that's a mind warp. So we're wrestling with giant things. Some of it you can just get involved with tomorrow. Get involved in your community. Get involved with a group. Go start walking a direction, start, you know, not living not by lies and going that direction and getting involved. And you're going to find out, oh, man, I got involved in it.

It was way more difficult than I thought. Yeah. And all of us, I think, are running into that wall of like, And like we got to be patient with people with ourselves because there's a lot there. We're dealing with a lot. Russia has ships around Cuba. I'm like never in my lifetime did I think something along that lines would happen ever again. Here we are.

And what do you do with that knowledge and information? I don't know. Some people are maybe living out in the woods. I'm having conversations with Ken Tristow. You know, I don't know. I don't know if any of that made sense to you. Well, you know, that that whole thing, that's a whole conversation in and of itself. Because I have a fair bit of experience there. I have had in the past involvement with EMO or emergency measures organization when we were in the Cold War.

I'm a, believe it or not, I'm a certified fallout shielding analyst among us. Really? So what do you think then of Russia being that close? the United States. What do I think about America having missiles in Turkey 20 minutes from Moscow? You know, Russia, people don't, there's a fundamental truth about Russia. And look, and I'm not a Russian apologist. I shouldn't even have to say that, but I'm not. And I've spent time in Russia because when the Berlin Wall came down, just after that in 91, I was in Kazakhstan and Russia, that yeah there really wasn't business to be out here so you know i i had the opportunity of meeting

with pretty much every government minister there was in moscow i've been into kremlin and all of the sort of i'm not a communist but you know this isn't the truth there is a fundamental thing that people need to understand about russia and and i know i'm going to get accused of um belittling you know the d-day that just celebrated here 80th anniversary a few days ago the fundamental truth about Russia is is that maybe a little beyond a lifetime ago, the Nazis murdered somewhere between 19 and 27 million of them and they were invaded right up to the gates of their capital city, you know, Moscow, what used to be called Stalingrad. And there is a real, absolute understanding in the minds of every single Russian what that meant.

They all know somebody or have somebody who was murdered by the Nazis. Again, I repeat the number, 19 to 27 million. Some people say it's higher than that. Now, let's move over to the United States. They've never been invaded, really. Somebody's going to argue with them. Well, the British, they weren't really invaded. They've never experienced what the Russian people have experienced.

So when these politicians like what's the name, Lindsey Graham are busy screaming at the top of the foolish lungs about how they're going to do, this to the Russians. The Russians as a people do not understand that's just bluster because in their memory, in their in their whatever you call that, their corporate memory and their in their fundamental memory, they know what it means to lose 19 to 27 million people. And also when, when the Russians see us celebrating D-Day and that turned the war, that's a lie, not taking away anything that happened on the D-Day beaches, but Germany was already defeated by the Russians at that point. They were on the run. Russians had crushed the 110 divisions that were thrown at them.

I think it was three or four or five or six divisions that were thrown at D-Day. 110 divisions were thrown at Russia. So understand the fundamentals of the Russian psyche here. They don't understand that you're blustering. They don't understand when Macron says, We're going to put our boots on the ground in Ukraine. Russians don't hear it as bluster. They know what it's like to be invaded. They know what it's like to be murdered. We don't know that in North America.

Thank God we don't, but we don't. And so we're missing the basic understanding of what we're saying to the Russians and what they're hearing. So when ships show up in Cuba and our media is going crazy about it, Keep in mind, NATO and the United States have missiles in Turkey. They have missiles in England. They have missiles, I believe, in Finland. They have missiles in Germany. And they have how many military bases the Americans have in other countries?

I can't remember hundreds of them. And just, again, I'm not being a Russian apologist, but folks, they have a fundamental different understanding of the world based on what happened to them. World War II. And by the way, they don't call it World War. They call it the Great Patriotic War. This is in their mind. They're around 750 U.S. military bases in at least 80 countries. Yeah. So it's interesting. It's, if I may, Ken, I don't think you're taking anything away from D-Day. I think I just, like, to me, I look at it and I go, D-Day was very, very important day. Lots of people lost their lives there.

In Canadian history, it's an important day. There was a lot of Canadians there. And they're still celebrated by that area for what they did. They took them away from Nazi occupation. But we also have to give credit where credits do, and that's to the Russians for what they did to the Nazis as well. Right? You know, it's in a weird sense, probably a terrible analogy.

You know, it comes all the way back to COVID in Canada. You have to give credit where credit is due to all these little organizations and all these different freedom fighters and people for what they did. It wasn't one. There wasn't one single person who without them or with them everything fell. Right. And I got a lot of time for the Tamara Leach and the Chris Barber specifically for what they're going through. But you look at Anthony Olenick, you know, who's been on the podcast calling me for, you know, like he continues to stand. does does Chris Carbert and others and you know and I'm missing some for sure I am and we all just

you know like it's this little puzzle piece of how this are these little puzzle pieces of how the bigger picture was formed the freedom convoy doesn't happen without I don't know I can probably go as simple as as the protests going on in the different cities and those in those communities that were formed and began to go and on and on and on and on it went I go even further back than that. I go Jordan Peterson. Without Jordan Peterson, I don't know if, I mean, it's how far do you want to go back.

But without Jordan Peterson, one of the trends I saw through COVID was how many people had read Jordan Peterson and were affected by the words he said. And what made it ironic was Jordan Peterson got vaccinated, right? And you're, you know, but his writing had instructed so many people not to get, not to live by lies, essentially. And so when you go to the Russia, the Russia U.S. thing, or the allies in Russia, both were very instrumental.

Without the Russians, do you win World War II? Probably not. Without the allies, do you win World War II? Probably not, right? Like, I mean, it took an effort of so many. But I, you know, I think you raised very good points that they don't understand Bluster. And them putting it on Cuba, I mean, literally, just pointed out we got missiles all over and I can't imagine living on the other side of that

in the constant threat that you step out of line and you're getting blown up from the what did I say 750 million 750 billion 750 billion 750 billion 750 billion 750 bases oh my goodness not billion yeah I mean you know that it's it's interesting you just made me think of this right now so this is a great conversation What you made me think of is that folks are starting to accept that the media lied to them about COVID. They lied to them about the statistics. They're lying to them about the inflation and unemployment rates. They're lying to them about everything.

Oh, but you know what they're telling us about what's going on overseas. That's got to be true. It's so interesting. You know, maybe I'm sounding really down about this. I'm not. I'm just saying that if you're going to question. If that person has lied to you about this and this and this, maybe you start questioning whether they're lying to you about this other thing. I mean, that whole thing with what's going on in Europe right now is a lot more complicated than what we experienced.

And yet people, oh, yeah, there's got to be true because I saw it on the TV. I mean, it's, you know, and we have to get back to something that we were talking about a few minutes ago. and that is if you don't believe in something larger than yourself, we will not win. That might be God. That might be your community. It might be your grandchildren. But you must believe in something larger than yourself. Because if you do not, when times get tough, you're gone to Mexico or you're gone to somewhere

else or you've dug a hole in the ground and you're in a bomb shelter and they'll just roll over top of you. And you can't, it's really hard to pick up this heavyweight or sling the rifle over your shoulder or your protest sign or whatever it is every day, day after day, if you're not believing in something more than yourself, because if you're only believing in yourself, then your backache or the night that you had not sleeping is going to stop you from doing it. And there's why would you sacrifice for today when there's no tomorrow. If you only believe in yourself, there's no tomorrow. I mean, my wife and I were having this discussion a week ago. And I said to her, you know, darn, I'm really wondering, you know, how much more time should I spend doing this? I'm 66 years old.

If I'm lucky, this is going to get a little morbid, but if I'm lucky, I've got 14, maybe some good years. I'll be 80 in 14 years. So do I, I've spent two or three years on this now. And we were talking earlier about, you know, Exodus and one in five people. And we're talking about we have hundreds or thousands of people coming out to rallies when we need millions. So if you don't believe in something more than yourself, why in the heck, keeping this PG, why in the heck would I, somebody like me who I can see the end? You know, you're a young man. You know, that's a long way away for you.

But I can see it. So when you talk about spending another three or four or five years, if you don't have something larger than yourself, why the heck would you do it? How are you going to sustain it? I've wondered if it's time to burn the boat. And what I mean by that is, you know, so in the Cornerstone Forum, I had a, Mikkel Thorpe come. He was living in Panama. He's originally from Ontario, but he's been living outside Canada and abroad for almost 25 years. years. So he's helping people get out of Canada, right? Because there's a real mindset of like,

you know, Trudeau gets back in. I'm out. And I don't blame people for thinking of that. I think if there's a way Trudeau finds his way back in with everything everybody knows, it's like, man, can you survive another four years of Trudeau? And if he gets back in, who's to say it is in another 20 years? Because at this point, every poll I've read shows him getting absolutely absolutely lamb based him. But regardless, people are talking about it. You know, all the different taxes and laws and it's just, you know, this boiling water thing with, you know, it's just the degrees keep going up and up and up.

And I've wondered, I was trying to think as you're talking, who was the lady from Ontario that I had on that in the middle of COVID, in order to become part of her group, it was basically you had to fill out a questionnaire. And one of the questions was, are you willing to lose your job to stand up to this? And if you couldn't answer yes to that, then you couldn't get in.

And I was like, oh man, that's an extreme. Not that extreme, but you know, like, that's more than just like, are you against this, right? That's a level up. And when I look at where we're at in Canada, I think we're well past that. It's like we're at this point now where it's like, where are you willing to go?

And are we at a point where you should just burn the, if you want to get out, it's time to get out. and if you don't want to get out, it's time to burn the, the ship, so to speak. It's like, no matter what they throw, we're going to stay and we're going to fight this,

because we want to get it for our kids and our grandkids and on. And I don't know if that's a good mindset or not. I'm not saying that's a good mindset. I'm saying my brain is there. I'm married to an American. Probably could get out, Ken,

if I wanted to. Could move to the states and I don't know all the hoops that have to jump through. I don't think it would be that hard. I think it'd be harder. than I think, but I don't think it would be that hard. And I think when people search leaving Canada, is it hard? Yeah, probably, but not as hard as you think. You can go not everywhere in the world, but you could go to a lot of different places and you could start a new life. I mean, heck, I come from,

it's not only a little over a lifetime ago, that's what people did when they left Britain. They left and came here. And so can you find a spot on this planet that would be better suited to you and have maybe your values, your mindset, opportunity, and on and on and on. Talking to Cal Thorpe, I think, I think it's very possible. You know. And I just don't know where to go with that because that is two sides of a coin. And you go, so do you stay and fight? Do you leave?

Where are you at? And I know my phone's going to blow up with people. I'm staying in a fight. Well, you know, it's funny. where you have gone right now is where I left that email conversation with that other person. Remember I said? I told him that and this is where we're at. He was telling me that

I told him that it doesn't matter where you go in the Western world and beyond. It's Canada's no different. We maybe the Americans are doing what America is doing. That is blustering and you don't see it. And I was explaining to him I haven't finished the email so he hasn't read this part yet. But I was explaining them. It's like when you look at your neighbor and you don't really know them, but you think, oh, man, if my family was like that, if my wife was that nice, well, you know, when you really get to know them, I know better than you, if not worse.

And I was writing this email to him, and I was explaining, well, for instance, let's take United States. And I love the United States. I have two sons who live down there. I have two sisters that live down there. My wife has a sister who live down. We're integrated with the Americans. But let's just talk about that for just a second. And we could talk about Britain and we can talk about France and we can talk about Japan.

The United States is arresting their ex-president on BS charges. Half of his cabinet, who he had, is in jail. Steve Bannon is now being arrested. They had all the same lockdowns we had. They had banks debanking people. They arrested people for the insurrection on January 6th. Compare that to the Coots Boys. They're no better.

So if you think the Americans are better because they're blustering better than we are, you know, they're undeniably the number one place for child trafficking in the world. That's undeniable now with the border and what's going on in Ukraine and so on and so forth. So then let's look at Britain. Britain's the same. They're locking people up in jail. The reporters are getting arrested. They had the same lockdowns.

They've got the same crazy laws that they've not. got a law in Scotland, by the way, and the police are being run off their feet on it. If I insult you or you feel insulted, that's a crime. That's a crime, yeah. Ireland's the same. Japan has lost its mind. Australia, what they did during the whole thing, France, Spain, Portugal, the whole EU, the same. As incredible as it sounds, San Salvador is looking like it's the best place to go right on.

Well, I tell you, it wasn't that an interview. Yeah. Salvador is president. And look at Ecuador. I mean, we were looking into Ecuador to buy a property down there, you know, for vacation and stuff. And prior to COVID, they were one of the safest countries in the world. Now they're one of the worst from a murder rate standpoint. Over the COVID time, drugs started to come into the country from their neighboring companies,

countries they started using the ports there. So now there's murders galore. You're going to go to Brazil? You're not going to China. and and when I finish writing this email to this person I've been dealing with, I'm going to go through those things because he was quite adamant that I've been completely duped if I think that the other countries are as bad as Canada and it isn't true. You're like looking at your neighbor and thinking they've got nicer kids than you do because you don't know.

So again, if you're not believing in something larger, You know, I could take whatever and pack up and move to Mexico or Ecuador or wherever the hell, you name it in the world. I could even go to Russia if I wanted to. You know, I have an engineering degree and I have other things and certificates and stuff. And, you know, for 14 or 15 years, I'm probably pretty happy before that infection starts to kill those areas too because it is an infection. the world is infected with this toxic evil ideology you know you you can't have a crucifix in a in a in a school classroom but you can have a rainbow flag what the heck is a rainbow flag that to do with reading and writing and rhythmic and i'm not against the the the community the real community

but what i'm against is substituting one dogma for another forcing children you know we all heard a report in the last day or so where these children are sent home and they're supposed to be coloring these rainbow flags and bringing them back and if they don't they get suspended i think that's an was that in ontario wasn't in albert i don't think so this infection this disease this this sick ideology and it's not new you know this is this is come and gone with mankind for millennia it doesn't matter if you run away you might if you're at the if you're asking you're asking You know, the sunset time in your life, perhaps like I am, you know, maybe you can make it out for the next 15, 20 years there. But what happens to your kids?

What happens to your grandkids? And if you're a young man like you, running and hiding isn't, I don't think that's the thing to do. Well, the thing, if I play out, if I don't, if I play out the scenario of leaving the country, I go, I might have to give up the podcast. And the reason I say that is what the podcast has done for me in my life has forced me into the man I'm become, right? And becoming, which means if I go to some other place, I'm going to be outspoken. I'm going to be the same because I'm going to see the same things happen anywhere you go in the world. The same things can happen, whether it's the same as can or not. And I go, huh, how does that play out not knowing other countries and everything else?

It's like, I don't know. I actually don't know. But I know this, like, my wife and I made a choice in the middle of COVID. It was a very intimate, personal choice where, you know, we had to decide if I was going to keep doing this. Because it doesn't make you, like, I think Jordan Peterson interviewed a lady or was interviewed by a lady. I can't remember how it went. But she kept saying, like, why don't everybody, why doesn't everybody see what I'm seeing? And he's like, well, because you're the tip of the spirit.

You're literally interviewing these people. And it takes time for what you're seeing to play out in the greater society. And certainly on this end, I feel that from time to time. It's like, oh, man, this is, this is some stuff. And if you go anywhere, if I were to take my occupation anywhere else in the world, do I get to shut that part of my brain off? It's like, no, probably not. Right?

Probably not. I don't think I moved to, you know, talk about, with Shane Getson not too long ago and we got talking about South Dakota. And I'm since driven through South Dakota, it's beautiful. I'm like, man, if I ever live in the States, I never thought South Dakota would be on the top of my list, but it's pretty darn close. But if I go to South Dakota, I'm still going to do the same thing. Right?

And then what happens from there? I actually don't know. I don't know. And so it's tough. You look at leaving this place and going somewhere else. And lots have and successfully, successfully they. have and I think there's a story to be told there too for people that really want to leave but where I said I'm conflicted because it no matter where I go I'm still going to be

drawn to talking to the people that live there and finding out what's going wrong and trying to get to the bottom of that and that is always going to put a bit of a bull's eye on you for being a little bit of a crap disturb and I go I'm not trying to me I'm just like I don't I see things and then I want to talk about it I found a way to talk about it to people that I respect. And that's going to put you in a bit of hot water, if you will. No, and you're absolutely right, but you're not getting away from it. You know, darkness, we don't have to.

I know it's, I know it's not in fashion to talk about what happened in the 1930s, but it is important. People need to understand what happened. It's not like on the movies, you know, in. In Germany in the 30s, there were a lot of things coming together, but one of the things that came together was exactly what we're seeing in Canada, or have seen in Canada. I'm not saying that we're Nazis. That's not what I'm saying, folks.

But if you really look at what happened and you read a book that happens to be in my library right there, it's called Inside the Third Reich. And it tells what happened with the police. It tells about trampling people with horses. It tells about banging on their doors in the middle of the night. It talks about what happened in the churches, the church leaders, how they failed. And they went along with the regime. Does that sound familiar?

It talks about the lawyers, the legal system. It talks about what happened in the schools. And there's a chapter in that book. And I'm trying to remember which chapter was. I can't quite remember. Something like Life Inside the Third Reich. And this was written, by the way, by a newspaper reporter that lived there up until about, I think it was 1939.

at the outbreak of the war, but folks, they don't want you to know what happened in history, but if you can pick up that book, it's available online now, like free. It's because it's, you know, it was written, I would think it was written in the 40s or 50s. Read it and put aside, you know, some of the prejudices that you know about and see what happened. And you'll see that what happens in our institutions, happen there. It's a pattern that happens over and over. You know, they talk about eugenics.

Well, we have made, and they keep expanding it. And folks got to know that Statistics Canada is no longer reporting made statistics. Made is the eugenics program where government supervised death if you want it. Statistics Canada is no longer reporting those deaths as made deaths. If you happen to be depressed and you ask for maid and they kill you, they say it's a death by depression or a death by cancer. So you don't even know what the numbers are anymore because Statistice Canada just started doing this. So look at what happened in our police. We now have a eugenics program.

You've got papers. You now have to have papers. You know, I've been watching and I've been seeing what's been going on quietly around. some stores now, and I think it was, was it sobies that started doing this? And they all have a sally port to get into the store. What's a sally port? That's a way that you control entry and exit. They use them in prison.

So you come in, the door locks. You're in an area. It's locked and there's sides on it. And they're starting to put that into grocery stores now. Walmart has put in turnstiles now. Why would they have turnstiles when you enter? These things are happening, folks, in front of your eyes. And I know it sounds, Ken's gone off his rocker.

But you haven't. This is the boiling water by a degree at a time, right? And by definition, this is fascism. People have to understand. Fascism is not about Swastikas. Fascism is when, no, I'm sorry, communism is when the government controls everything. The government controls business. They control everything else.

Fascism is when the government teams up with business and now they control everything. That's what we have in Canada now. And again, this isn't about Swastikas. This is about what is fascism. We have these giant corporations that are now controlling the government and they're kicking you out of banks. They're keeping Costco's and liquor stores open when your mom and pop stores were closed down. They're putting on regulations like the natural health care products. You know, these little guys that are making vitamin C pills and stuff.

Now the new legislation is they're going to be governed like the pharmaceuticals with millions of dollars of fines and hundreds of thousand dollars worth of regulations and stuff. That puts that out of business. I wonder why that is. So, folks, there's a lot going on. And you have to see it for what it is. I mean, there's no other explanation. I don't know.

We're drifting on the stuff. subject here, my friend. No, I find it very fascinating, Ken. And I go, you know, my brain goes, so July's coming up. And for the podcast listener on this side, it's the first time I'm ever going to slow the podcast down instead of speeding it up. I go on holidays with my family for the month of July. My wife's from Minnesota. And so we take a road trip down there and we go spend time with family. And I'll podcast while I'm there. But when I podcast five days a week, you can imagine I don't really get to spend time with my wife and kids and they're out on holidays and i kind of want to do that so for the month of july i'm going to go from doing five episodes a week down to three and for me that's like

doing zero and i don't i mean obviously it's more than i give credit but um uh things like the mashup on tuesdays or on uh friday sorry with twos we're going to have guest hosts so that i don't have to be there so that'll still be happening but like i'm just going to try and do some interviews and and and let them out and one of the things the reason why the reason is that's the reason i'm I'm doing that. One, spend time with my family. I don't do it near enough and I want to make sure that I'm, you know, when they're out of school, then I get time to go spend it. Two is I've been really thinking and I want time to really write about it and deliberate this. And me and once again, Wayne Peters was just talking about this is I listened to what you just said about candom where we're at. And I'm like, I need to be having more discussions like that. But it's hard because I can't probably do a hundred podcasts in a week and sometimes get to that discussion and sometimes never even get to it even remotely close and so you say we're drifting and i laugh i go nope that i'm i'm i'm like it took us almost two hours to get to this point of finally saying something like

that's an interesting thought and i'm i've got to sit and i got to really think about this but i wonder if a great idea isn't you know we do the we do the the the mashup which used to be tuesday nights Now it's moved to Friday mornings. It live streams. It's Toos and I talking is very specific about headlines around the world, specifically Canada, but the odd one that travels outside of Canada. Tews is colorful, meaning he uses great language that some people hate, some people love, and he makes fun of it over and over and over again.

It's very specific. Some people say it's the best thing I do. Some people don't tune into it, but you get the point. And I'm wondering, as I sit here, if I shouldn't be doing the Tuesday morning roundtable, what have you, I don't know what to call it, but where once a week you aren't bringing on, you build your list of guests

and you make them interact over and over again. Because Ken's doing things in Manitoba that unless I talk to Ken specifically, I actually miss out on it. And same with Wayne Peters and same with, you know, probably Shadow Davis and Trish Wood and on and on. And I'm like,

I wonder if that wouldn't be something to be doing once a week. And but man, that's, I throw the idea, out more out of my brain just in general because I'm I really got to go deliberate this things is that what I want to do or is that what somebody should hear and then go do you know and you just get to be a part of it I don't know the answer I'm throwing that out as we slowly

inch close to two hours and you talk about drifting this is drifting well you know it's interesting you can bring that out because it brings my mind over to the NCI hearings that we had in regina and and I know this sounds like a segue but it's not intended to be but um I was talking to, I think it was Pierre Corey, and we were talking about the scientific process, because what you've just done is the beginning of the scientific process, and that is scientific process for folks who don't know, you're not supposed to trust the science. It's written in stone, like they told you. Scientific process is this.

You see something. You don't know what the heck it is. So in your mind, you dream up something. We call it a hypothesis. Maybe it's this, because this is just what you did just now, and I'll get around to my point. So in the scientific process, you see something, you don't know what it is, I think it might be this. That's a hypothesis. You go out and you test it.

Then you develop, oh, that was wrong. This part is right. That becomes a theory. And then the theory, you keep testing and testing and testing. It keeps changing and revising and blah, blah, blah. And then at some point you get to a point where you don't really have the answer. You don't know everything about the answer because it keeps changing. And my point is this, as I said to Pierre Corey,

Dr. Corey, I said, didn't they stop us? They told us to trust the science, but didn't they cut off hypothesis? Because hypothesis would be, I wonder if the vaccines work. I wonder if this is real. So they cut that off. And what made me think about it is what you just said was a hypothesis. You know, I wonder, I wonder if this would be a good idea. That's the start of an idea. or it's an idea that's a start of a process. And if we said to you, you can't think that, would we ever get an advancement? Would your show become better?

Would you branch out if you couldn't think that thought at first and ask, is this a thing? Is this something I want to think about? It's just it made me think of that because that's what happened to us in the last three years. Or you can't think that. You can't ask about where it came from. ask, did they test it? And at the same time, they're telling you to trust science, which they're

stifling. It's an interesting, it's an interesting concept. Well, we need more of it, not less of it. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I know we're coming up under two hours, and I did want to mention one other thing, by the way. You know that, that AI tool that I showed you for the conference? Sure. I created one for the NCI report. Now, for those of you don't know, the report is 5,400 pages. Very daunting for people. There's 664 pages of discussion. Now, there's videos of me explaining how we made that report really usable.

You know, if you download it, there's a table of content that says 15 pages long, but it's interactive. And I explain to people how to use the report so that you don't get over, over intimidated and and it's and and it's really usable that way and and there is a video of me on rumble on the national citizens inquiry website or rumble site but what i've done is i've taken it to another step i've created uh i trained on artificial intelligence gpt and you can ask it anything so if you want to know was their testimony about bubble gum you can ask it that and it will answer tell you what page in the report it's on and when it was done and so on and so forth. Matter of fact, this thing is so incredible or creepy. When we were testing this thing, I had a whole pool

from NCI on a Zoom call like this, right? And we were asking all kinds of questions. How many doctors testified? Did anybody testify in Saskatchewan? Were there any deaths report? We were asking all kind of that. Teresa Buckley was on the line and she said, what color shirt did you? Did Ken Drysdale Ware on day two of the Truro hearings. It answered correctly. Now, this is scary, but for those people, and like most of us, how the heck do you tackle a 5,400-page report? There is another option, and I explain it in that video, but if you want to use this AI that I've created, you can ask anything in any way that, even if you type it wrong, it figures it out. So you can ask it for a list of doctors. You can ask it for.

a list of people from New Brunswick. You can ask it for anything you want, and it will give you the page number, what the quote was, who they are. Now, is it going to be correct every time? Maybe not. But it's a tool that's available. Now, I haven't released this to the public. Well, I kind of haven't. I kind of haven't. If folks go to the chat GPT and sign up, there's a store, a chat GPT store. You go in there, look up NCI, and it's free, and you can just take it, and you can just take it, and you can use it to explore that report. So it's an incredible tool to explore something that's so enormous that you can ask at things you're interested in.

Or if you're pondering something, you can ask at that. What happened to seniors in Canada? What happened to the budget, the Canadian federal debt? What happened to churches? Ask it anything you want. It's an incredible tool. And again, it's free. And you do it.

Like I said, you go to chat GPT, and it's running on chat. GPT40, by the way, which is their latest rendition. Go to the store. You can download it there. I think NCI is going to be releasing it on their website sooner or later. I'm not sure why they haven't yet, but I think they got their hands full with the regina hearings. So, folks, there's a tool for you that if you really want to explore what's going on there and you're intimidated by the size, you can ask it, whatever the heck you want.

Before I let you out of here, I better ask, and I don't, like, I don't know if I'm opening a can of worms, because when you did the latest hearings in Regina, I looked at the list who was an exceptional list. Certainly, you know, some of the names like Pierre Corrie and Dr. Jessica Rose and, you know, on and on. But I guess I know what those people roughly are going to say, but, you know, maybe they had some new shocking thing they were going to say. I guess I'm more curious, Ken. You sit down for, I think it was the three days and you listen. listening to testimony and everything else.

What was the one curveball that you did not see coming that you're like, people need to, I know they need to go interact with it all. But when you're looking back at it or experiencing it, you're like, man, I didn't realize X. Well, that's a great question. But before I answer it, I want to let people know that as a commissioner, I've got nothing to do with the selection of the witnesses. As a matter of fact, when I sit down at that table in the morning, I have no idea who's coming. In Regina, they handed these out to the first thing in the morning when we sat down.

It was on my desk. So none of that's rehearsed or anything. But to answer your question directly, I would say, Dr. I don't think anybody has, not a lot of people have heard or speak. I hear it is. Dr. Sabine has, Hezan. Dr. Sabine Heizan. She testified on day two, which was Friday, at 11th. 11 in the morning plus or minus somewhere around there.

She is a expert geneticist, and she studies what's called the biome. That's a fancy word for she scrapes around inside your intestines and pulls out what's in there and tests it. And she talked about how the spike protein is all throughout your body, including what comes out of your body. and she talks about shedding. They also talk about, it's really a Pandora's box where in two minutes, and I know this isn't going to be perfectly scientifically correct, but the way they made the bio, whatever you want to call them, the bio injections or vaccines is they essentially took a pot

and they filled it full of E. coli. And they used the E. coli as little tiny factories to create what they wanted to create. and then they were supposed to spin that around a whole bunch and filter it all the bits and pieces of the E. coli and end up with the magic stuff they wanted. Now, for folks who don't know, E. coli is in the gut of every single human, every single animal on earth. So these spike proteins are now in that. So it's in your water. It's in you. It's in your neighbor.

You're spreading it through contact. And there's more to her testimony than that. But that was probably one of the most shocking things, I would say. And I questioned her at length at the end of her testimony. The other one that I don't think folks know about is what's going on with Constable Helen Grew in Ottawa. And we had a retired police detective. Donald Best. Donald Best on to talk about that.

And again, I questioned him very specifically about a bunch of different things. and perhaps those two are what you want to listen to. Donald, I have never heard of C.B. and Dr. C. B. Aeson, I'm probably butchering that name. Donald Best was on here about a year ago, roughly. Yeah. And very, very interesting man. Very interesting. Yeah. And another guy that's been following a court case and, you know, like, all you get to do is hop on Twitter and just start following him.

And you can find out everything. Well, and, you know, and, I know. obviously the NCI as well. You know, it's hard to distill it down, but there is, there is. I know. I know it was a terrible question because it's like, go watch it all. I just mean, you've already given me the one that I've never heard of her. Yeah.

Well, another one, and I think this is important, it was she was just, she was an LPN in Alberta, working in a, I think she was in Alberta, maybe Saskatchewan. She was working in a senior's home. And she was talking about what happened. and she was talking about when they brought in the injections her patients that started to die. You know, she was frontline, so she was working with these people every day and they were starting to die and they were locking them up and people wanted to, they wanted to die. And I said to her, there was a whole series of questions I asked her, but some of the, to me, the most shocking ones were this. I said to her, well, you are the primary nurse and you were dealing with them on a day-to-day basis every day during your shift.

Yes, yes, I was. I said, so at the end of your shift, when you would sit down with the attending, doctors, physicians, and you would explain to them what you were seeing. What did those doctors say? And she said to me, what are you talking about? And I repeated myself. And she said, there were no doctors. I never got to speak to any doctors. He had no access to doctors. And I said, really? And I asked her something similar. I said, so when they did this unprecedented thing in these homes and they locked old people away and they had them locked up for weeks and they'd give them these injections and you were reporting that people were dying, what did the regulator have to say? She said, what do you mean by regulator?

I said, well, when they were doing these unprecedented things in old folks' homes, wasn't the government, didn't they have inspectors coming in talking to the nurses to see what was going on? She said, not a single one. That's shocking to me. So in those old folks' homes, there was no oversight as to what was happening. the LPNs had no access to the physicians. The physicians never visited those facilities. The regulator never visited those facilities.

And people were dying. Loneliness. The evil. I'm just trying to remember what that lady's name was. And it escapes me at the moment. Well, people should. We talked about it while it was going on in the mashup, right? You should probably just turn us off and go over to the,

go over to the NCI. And if people haven't tuned into it, they should. And if they haven't, even when you were here in Lloyd, you, you, you said something that, you know, it just sat in my brain now, obviously, for some time, which is the report. How many pages again, was it? About 5,400.

And you, you said the thought that always comes, I'm like, oh, man, how am I going to get through that? And in that night, you said, listen, If you're not the guy who's going to sit down and read it all, don't be, but realize it's a tool. So it's this giant tool. You need some information about X, look through the thing, bo bo, bo, bo, bo, find it, go read it. And all of a sudden you have bit-sized pieces of information that can give you what you need, and it's a giant tool. It's a giant framework can be used like that, interacted like that.

And I thought that was really important for people, including myself, here. So if you haven't looked through it, you should. or you should begin to understand what's sitting there. It's sitting there to help you. It's not sitting there to be a giant 5,000 page document that nobody ever reads through because it's 5,000 pages. It's set up in a way not to bury information, but to help you find information when it comes to different parts of what went on during COVID and the lockdowns, et cetera, et cetera. Absolutely. And I just shared with you the Rumble site for the Regina hearings.

And I'll put that in the show notes for everybody. I just saw it and we'll clip that over. Yeah, and also folks understand that we will be writing a report on Regina. I'm hoping to have that done. I would hope by the end of August, something like that. And it'll be a supplement to our original report. So it will be done in the same way and it'll be easily searchable and so on and so forth. So that's coming.

Well, I appreciate you coming on, Ken. You know, I always enjoy chatting with you. And I wish you the best of success with your event. I really do. I think what a bunch of different Canadians are doing and obviously yourself is admirable. And I hope people come and interact and you get, you know, you move the needle in your respective area. And look forward to hearing the feet.

because I got a bunch of people to listen from Manitoba. They'll be excited. I already know a bunch of them are going. And I look forward to hearing the feedback on it. And to everything you and the group continue to do with the NCI hearings. I admire it immensely. And look forward to our next time we hop on and chat together. Well, I really appreciate the opportunity to come on. And listen, folks, if you look at our agenda and you think there's nothing for me to learn there. Maybe there's something you can teach us. So come and join us. break some bread with us, talk with us, and let's move ahead together.