Shaun Newman Podcast - #662 - Lee Harding

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Lee Harding. So first off, sir, thanks for hopping on. I'm very glad to do so. You know, I got to give a, you know, when it comes to the podcast, I have an audience that is very interactive with me. The phone lines hooked up to all the episodes so people can text me all the time and, you know, when different things are going. on specifically in Canada and probably more specifically Western Canada. Usually I get text from all over the place and that's how you come on to the radar. So shout out to Bonnie for introducing

us. Now Lee, I appreciate your answering the text and making some time. How about we just start with, I don't know, you can go wherever you want, but I would love to hear a little more about Lee and who he is, what makes Lee Lee and just give us a little bit of your background. Sure, I'm living in Regina now. I was born here, but I was raised southwest of here, west of a sinneboy, a little ghost town called Mila Val by my grandparents. And I got a degree from Briar Crest College and seminary and then a journalism degree at the University of Regina and then a master's in public policy at the University of Calgary. And in between, I was an interim pastor at Woodrow Gospel Chapel, which is Mennonite Brethren. You'll probably find me more on the Pentecostal side of things now. And I also was the Saskatchewan director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation from 2007 to about 2009.

And then I worked on the Hill for the Conservatives and then was a sales agent for the Taxpayers Federation, basically visiting the farmers and small business people that gave the organization money to renew their support. Before all of that, I had been, when I was taking my degree in journalism, I interned at CBC and CTV in Regina, worked casually at Global for a while, and then I also spent the summer of 06 doing reports for Hunter Huntley Street. And then after my, I got my degree, my master's degree in Calgary, I have been working for the Frontier Center for Public Policy. so I'm a research fellow for them. I also contribute on a freelance basis to epoch times and Western Standard. I'm married.

I've got two daughters in their teens, and that's me. Well, I tell you what, you just rattled off. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, Briar Crest, all right, fair enough. And then, you know, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Recurring guest on this side has been Chris Sims and Franco Tarasano. So there's a lot of space, time, respect for what that organization does. And you know, you tossed in a few other things and I'm like, this should be interesting. I just came from the full armor of God man camp up north in the middle of nowhere out by Bonneville.

No offense. Bonneville, I keep saying that. Lloyd Minster, as I've been pointed out, has been the middle of nowhere. So a lot of respect for you being very open right from the get-go of who you. are and what makes you up because I assume all of that culminates to where Lee sits now, um, you know, writing and, uh, discussing the world where we presently sit. Yeah, that's about right. Now, when we fast forward all the way to the NCI in, in Regina, um, I just, I would love to

just walk me through it because, you know, I, the first go around to the NCI going across, uh, Canada, I watched a bunch of it. But I wasn't fortunate enough to get there. And the second time around, we were having my son baptized, so I really couldn't get there. And I talked to Sean Buckley about that, and Ken Drysdale just came on. And a lot of time and respect for the people that put that on,

you were around it. I would love to just, you know, discuss what went on, what you saw, some of the stories you heard, some of the academics, just, you know, as long as you're short as you want to go. I don't know, break down what went on. And we'll see where you'll see. we go from there? Well, the NCI has been on a journey. I testified on the second day of hearings in Saskatoon last year. And there was a group that, a faction of it that wanted to do more.

They wanted to have more hearings, but they had stopped. And there was a long hiatus because, well, there was some foot dragging by some people that didn't want to have more hearings. And then that resulted in a split where there were people who wanted to wrap up the NCI, not have it do anything more and just promote all the testimony and the things and the conclusions that had been made. And there was a group that said, well, there's still more to learn. We're finding out more. There's people who are finding courage to speak that didn't have it in the thick of things. And we should keep going. And the result was that the nonprofit that had been entrusted with the funds for the NCI was at an impasse with the guiding group. And if you talk to the nonprofit corporation people,

they'll say, well, no, we're the ones in charge, and the other group is the rogue group. But what it comes down to is there was a part that continued on, resumed the hearings, but they've had to set up a different nonprofit corporation to handle the funds going forward. So it was certainly an exercise worth doing, what I heard in those three days. It was the final two days of May and the first day of June. and it opened with some very incredible testimony from Kevin McKiernan. Now, he was the head of the Human Genome Project, and I cannot think of any more eminent kind of expertise you could have to talk.

But he said from the outset, it is very hard to get information published in respected journals, the most respected journals, because there has so much industry capture from, he didn't use the word Big Pharma, but that's really what it is. And but they had done research that found that the SB 40 virus had been used to manufacture the MRNA vaccines for Pfizer, but that Pfizer had not done a good job of cleaning it up.

And that has been very damning. This sort of dirty DNA that is in there has its own problems, but there's been further research they've done where they found that it had either bonded or been part of chromosome 12 in some experiments. So the spike protein was becoming part of things. Now, they weren't quite sure if it had been integrated into the chromosome or not, but either way, it was a disturbing development. And both of the places where it was found to integrate had to do with regulating cancer. And so that is another thing that came out is some of the indications through time since that there's a cancer risk that has been increasing because of some of the means that this vaccine works.

And some of it's very technical. As a journalist, it is a challenge to write about some of these things because you have to dumb down some very complicated concepts and then summarize vast swaths of testimony, any of which are very significant. So I did get some articles in the Epoch Times and in Western Standard, and you can expect some in the future in my writing for the Frontier Center. And the Frontier Center articles, sometimes they make it to the National Post. Sometimes they will make it to weekly newspapers owned by Troy Media in various places across Canada. And sometimes they will just only be on the Frontier Center website. But there's lots more to be said.

It is very odd to me that you can have something of such significance, such worldwide significance, and there is so little media attention for it. I think only part of it is due to the challenge that I mentioned about reporting on it. And I think the rest of it has to do with people not appreciating or not wanting to appreciate the downsides of these vaccines. Either people have taken them and it's too late to not take them or, you know, for whatever reason there's a hesitancy to talk about that. But it does still need to be talked about. And especially because the pharmaceuticals want to have just crank out these MRNA vaccines now that they've sort of shoehorned in approvals through the COVID vaccines. And there's a lot of risks with it. We're finding that some of those risks were not properly examined by the virus.

regulators in the rush to get something out to respond to the pandemic. And who knows what will happen going forward? You know, I don't, you'll have to forgive me. You'd mentioned, you testified, I believe he said in day two in Saskatoon, the first go-around. I guess I was just hoping you could talk a little bit about what you testified about, what you talked about from sitting there and having the panel ask you questions. Well, I only had a very short amount of time left in the schedule to really talk. So most of it was from Sean Buckley. He was curious to know because this was something I thought I could give some first-hand insight on on what reporting was like in the pandemic. Why did it look like what it did and what it didn't? And what I said was I had a, first of all, I can't do any opinion pieces for epoch times because I do reporting for them. And they just do not. allow a reporter to be both columnist and a reporter. So that was out. But as far as writing about it

for, you know, risks with the vaccine, I'd done an article just like I'd write about anything, politics or economics or whatever, put together some thoughts that had come from other doctors, where they were expressing concerns about it. I couldn't get it published. And I was saying long before it was coming out later where people are like, what? You know, Pfizer never said it was that this vaccine was going to stop transmission. I mean, I had an article prepared that had to go on my, actually, I just posted it to Facebook on my page because I could not get it anywhere else. But basically how that was evident.

And that was the low standard that was set right in the vaccine trials. So they were basically designed to be passed. and they never were going to stop transmission. Their biggest and tenuous and dubious claim was that it would stop severe sickness and hospitalizations. But even that became in the booster shots less and less of a factor because it took the normal course of viruses where they become less deadly but more contagious. And so you can understand from the survival of a strain or a species perspective where that's what you want. If you keep killing your host, you're not going to spread because the people that had it are dead. So that's the way this is gone.

These shots continue. They continue in some places to children of young ages. And that was also a concern from some of these experts that are looking at it, saying whatever risk benefit ratio, was arguably there, even when they were trying to suppress the potential for vaccine injury, it's long gone now. Do you get, like, you know, being in Regina around, you know, the governing body of the province, do you get to have, like, have you had conversations with, like, the current government? And if you have, I don't know how much you're willing to share, but, like, you know, lots of people I run into,

like, hey, and COVID, we're talking COVID for two years past. COVID. What are we still talking COVID for? No, I haven't been the, yeah. No, I haven't had those kind of discussions. I don't bother when I'm there at the legislature talking after question period. It's the news of the day. And really, that's not the page they're on right now. There have been some town halls.

There was one where Premier Mo was confronted on, you know, are you going to apologize for what you did during the pandemic? and the Premier basically gave a little speech where they didn't know what they were dealing with and they did what they thought best. And so the implied answer is no. I'm not going to apologize. It was interesting during the National Citizens' Inquiry how Nadine Wilson, who left the SAS party and became the leader of SAS United, although she's deputy leader now.

I'd written an article for Epoch Times and one for Western Standard, both with completely different quotes, where she said, her discussions with people, it would still mean something to them to have an apology. And I talked about that in my recent column on how Rob Schneider was canceled here, which is a completely different story, but he was partway through a speech where he said some things that the diversity, equity, and inclusion, career person and the office, audience didn't like and also talking about COVID and the ineffectiveness of the vaccines. And so he didn't even get to finish his act. But I talked about how it's kind of ironic how all this cancel culture really converged in a lot of ways because the same night that he was giving his comedy act was the same night that

the National Citizens Enquiry was wrapping up at Mosaic Stadium. And at Mosaic, Premier Mo had said, you know, mid-20-21. He said, we need to get 70% of people vaccinated. And if we do, we can open up the stadium, so let's all get vaccinated. And then they hit that threshold. And then it didn't matter because the CEO for the Rough Riders decided that you weren't going to get in from mid-September on unless you were vaccinated. And so there were some people that will not go back to a Ruff Rider game just for that. And actually, one of them messaged me to say so that they, had helped with the National Citizens Inquiry because ironically, the inquiry had rented space

in Mosaic Stadium to do its hearings. It was a great venue for it. It was actually quite ideal, but, you know, that was the only thing that was ever going to get them back there. You mentioned this Rob Schneider. That has been, like, born and raised in Saskatchewan. Now I live just on the, you know, Lloydminster of the border city. So just in Alberta. And it's like hard for my brain to wrap around how in you know i think you know a western province blue collar province uh in Saskatchewan how they could run rob schneider off the stage seems i don't know i guess like not shocking but shocking all at the same time lea am i wrong in that thought process or you know like i don't live in regina so i see the things coming out of

vagina and I'm like, holy man, where are they going? And Rob Schneider, I chuckle about it because, you know, like, if you followed anything that man did before the show, and I have to assume the organizers of it had to have, you would have saw exactly what you're getting. It's not like any of the things you brought up was shocking. He talked about what? It's like, no, he's been talking about that on Twitter for the last year. Heck, at one point he wasn't going to come to Canada anymore because of the things that were going on in Canada. So it seems a little bit odd that they would remove him from the stage for doing exactly what he's been talking about for the last year.

Well, that's exactly what I said in my column. I said, Rob Schneider met expectations. The vaccine didn't. And that was in the Western Standard. So, yeah, actually, you know, you can forget characterizing the entire city or even the Hospital of Vagina Foundations, it was one person who has a podcast and speaks abroad, or I shouldn't say abroad,

but he is a keynote speaker who describes himself as a queer black man who basically thought he was hearing blasphemy up there and hurtful, hateful things, which is, you know, it's comedy. But, yeah, and he went to the organizers, and the organized said to him, no, We know what he was. Like people are laughing. We're not going to shut him down.

But it was this one person's persistence. And because it was the first day of Pride Month, June 1st, that finally prevailed. So they yanked him off the stage. So people had paid $350,000 total in that crowd of 200 to hear him. And they didn't get to hear, at least not all of what he had to say. So, yeah, it was basically the activism of one person that got this whole thing canceled. A few days later, Queen City Pride tried to cancel the Come Together event, which was the biggest Christian event in Saskatchewan history. One day before it happened, they were urging the city to cancel the booking of the venue.

They said, this is not just some kind of country music gathering. This is hateful because the organizers have a creed that says that the sex is to be within heterosexual marriage. So the pride group did not prevail upon the city, but it does show you. I mean, it doesn't hurt them to ask except for the blowback to get from some people that think that they're pushing it too far. Man, if that isn't a microcosm of where we're at in society, one guy in an audience pushing and pushing and they bend to it and remove a comedian. but yeah that's that's uh i appreciate hearing that because i to me i'm like like why does that happen and then uh you know forgive me what was the event called the christian event it's called come together for them to try to shut down something is is just it's just really interesting to

me to watch as this continues to play out right people are i think you know there was a time when people would really sympathize with, you know, and I don't know what letter it ended, whether it was LGBT, I actually don't know. I've seen an acronym recently that had to the fourth power at the end of it. It had an exponent for. That's comedy, isn't it? I don't know. Well, you know, it would be if it weren't just so grave. I mean, it's like you have a mirror. you could smash it into endless pieces.

And if you want to name each one of them, you can. But all of these, whatever, 72 genders or whatever it is, I mean, it's a parody of reality. Well, I mean, fortunate and and destructive, frankly. Well, I mean, at this point, you know, instead of having a day, we have a month. We're celebrating pride. No, it's season. You can go on to pride season on the federal. There's a federal website about pride season.

and it will tell you that it runs from May through September. You're sitting there as a former pastor, correct? You said at one point you were a former pastor, correct? I was interim in my young 20s. Yes, it technically counts. I don't want to overplay it, but yes. No, no, that's fair. All I mean is, like, I'm not new to the Christian faith.

That's not the way I want to say that. I grew up in a Christian house. I would say I'm new to reading the Bible on a daily basis, praying, etc. And I'm just curious, you know, when you see a season of pride, like, obviously they are not reading the Bible because, you know, we're heading for sure destruction on the path where we've got created here in Canada and not just Canada. Like, I mean, there's there's a lot of the Western world that is going down an interesting path, Lee, and I'm probably understating that. Well, we knew these times were coming. You know, Paul told us in the Bible, there will be terrible times in the last days because people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, hateful, boastful, unforgiving, this sort of thing. So, yeah, the crisis of the end, technology does have something to do with it, but a lot of it is moral.

And the technological side, you know, Satan's always trying to gain power. God doesn't have to try to gain power because he's already got it. And he's just going to find out which of us are willing to contend with him as underdogs. Suffer like Christ did and therefore be worthy to be his bride when he returns. When you, the NCI, you mentioned just the coverage it received from media. I was curious, who was there, you know, they were like, oh, well, actually, you know, Western standards was there. or epoch times, obviously you're right for both. But was there other people there that, you know, surprised you or was there nobody there?

You know, because once again, I sit here and knew about it, but we didn't get there. In that room. No, I was the only one. Only one. I was the only one, yeah. There was one day that the CBC van was there, but I think they were there because of either Mosaic, which was a multicultural weekend that was going on at the time, or maybe something to do with the rough ride.

So, no, I didn't see any other media there. And I know Dr. Mark Trazzi, who's from Ontario, he does a weekly little rundown. And he mentioned that I was the only person there, the only media. So I haven't really sought out to see if there's anything else, but I didn't notice anyone else. And like, again, it's a very ironic thing that you can have something of worldwide significance and the amount of media attention that it is due is just inversely proportionate to what it gets. It's very important and is getting almost no attention. Now, what do you, that's a tough, I don't know, is that sure where we're at right now in society?

I know that's a very broad question, but like, do you just go, you walk in, you know, your, your media badge on, you're ready to sit and listen, you know, like you look at some of the doctors that came through that place. You're like, holy dinah, this is, this is quite the list. And that's not to knock any of the speakers because they're all there for a reason. And some of the people that I'm like, who the heck is that, right? You know, I've interviewed a lot of these people. And yet some of them, like, I don't know who that is. And then you listen to your testimony, you're like, holy man, that's a story, right?

So you already know if they've made, I don't know, the cut, and I'll put that in parentheses, to be on the list of that panel or that discussion. There's an importance to it. Like, aren't you wondering where the heck is everybody? or have you just come to terms with certain outlets are never going to talk about this until 50 years past. Oh, yeah, I've come to terms of it. I keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

Well, yeah, I'm hoping a few more, you know, don't drink the Kool-Aid, maybe drink the Kool-Aid, whichever way you want to go with that, and come around. Maybe I'm wrong in this, but I feel like not when it comes to the vaccine, in fairness to the vaccine, vaccine, I would say very few are talking about that except for the independence. When it comes to media outlets, minus probably the CBC, I'm starting to see more and more

questioning the narrative, I would say, in a general. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Are you seeing similar things or am I wrong on that thought process? I'm not I don't really look at mainstream media a whole lot and so it's hard for me to gauge if they're moving at all I think during the pandemic they had this idea that if you put out any information that might make somebody not take the vaccine it would be immoral

so you don't put out anything anything that would undermine what the government is telling people to do or any of the responses so they took that as their moral cue or what have you. Now that everybody's taking the shot that was ever going to take it and the thing is past, now you can start talking about whether they ever needed to or whether it was good

or these injuries that are coming out now because the information will not affect the pharmaceutical interests quite as squarely. There is still doctors who have not regained their posts, ones that are being persecuted by the medical authorities, by the colleges that govern them. Some of them are coming through okay. Some of them aren't. One of them that there was a nurse here in,

I think she was actually from Saskatoon that Dr. Robert Chandler had spoken on her behalf. And he came, and she was exonerated. She had put some information on Facebook to, you know, look at the risks and what the real effects were of some of these measures that were being made. and I think that's fair game.

And, but, you know, she was persecuted for it if you want, or prosecuted, I suppose is the proper word. And then exonerated, so she didn't lose her nursing license. But Dr. Robert Chandler came here. He flew out from L.A. because he, from Huntington Hills, that he thought it was important enough to be in Regina, that he wanted to testify in person about this. He's one of the doctors that has analyzed the Pfizer documents. And these documents were the ones. one submitted to the FDA and there was a freedom of information request for them. And initially

they said, well, it would take us 75 years to disclose all this. We don't have the resources for it. Well, then the other side went to a judge and the next judge said, you've got five years to disclose this. So the information has been trickling out. And Dr. Chandler is part of a group that has been organized through Daily Clout and the war room in the United States. And they're looking at these documents and just seeing what is in them. What did these regulators know? So even though the latest part of that, I think a lot of it is from February of 2021 when they've had about 10 or 11 weeks that the vaccine has been on the market. And what is in this post-marketing report in terms of reported injuries and whatnot? And they're finding much higher rates of all kinds of things.

the VAERS report the vaccine adverse reactions of not quite getting that acronym right shows much higher levels for all kinds of things and in fact I think the rotavirus vaccine back in 1999 was you know there was less than a hundred problems with it reported and they took it off the market and I mean now there's injuries in the hundreds of thousands if not millions and, you know, AstraZeneca voluntarily took theirs off the market, but we haven't seen any regulators force these vaccines off the market. So I think the characterization of this as industry capture

of both the regulators and the medical establishment and the medical journals, I think that's an accurate assessment of what has happened. And so these are the times we live in, that we cannot trust our authorities. We cannot trust our institutions. One of the interesting things that I read recently was with Matthias Desmond, who's a scholar in Europe. And on his blog, he just read in, I think it was, Alas Huxley's Brave New World.

And he took a segment out of there where basically Huxley said, in this world that was coming, you'll have all those same institutions, you'll have the Supreme Court, you'll have media, you'll have this, you know, the regular arms of government. And yet this agenda that is going forward will will permeate through all of them. And so I think that's what we're seeing is that it would be understandable if we had, you know, say the Nazis came in and gained power and as a governmental agency put in a bunch of things. But the idea, you know, we can still turn on the TV and see the CBC. We still have our courts.

We still have our prime minister. We still, you know, we have all of our institutions, and yet they're all failing us. And so I think when Ronald Reagan used to say trust, but verify, I don't know if we can even have the trust part. I think we need to do our own verification on a lot of things. Yeah, I used to say in the middle of COVID, if, you know, if only they'd roll the tanks down the street, everybody would wake up. But instead, you know, when you talk about the institutions and Elvis Huxley and. and how that all has proceeded, it's kind of, if you're not paying attention,

it kind of seems like it's, I don't know, in the mist or something, you know, kind of like out of people's vision, out of your vision. And yet it's right there in front of all of us, and it just continues to happen across all these different institutions. And it's like, it's wild. You know, we got,

it's supposed to be having a guy come on talking about video games. And, you know, you go, why video games? It's like, well, DEI is showing up there as well. And so you think it's just, oh, it's just Boeing or it's just, you know, pick your, pick your institution and take a look at it. But it's, it's being spread out across all of culture. I go back to the, I believe it's the Academy Awards where they, they have the DEI goals in there for the, you know, best motion picture.

And that's going to be coming down. And you're like, well, why do you think Disney's going the way it is? Well, because industry is forcing it to do that. And you go on and on and on through all the different institutions. You're exactly right. And you can see it, but it's almost hard to grasp because it's not the Nazis rolling the tanks right down the street. That's right. Yeah, it is much more subtle, but it's pervasive.

And it's sort of, you know, it kind of reminds me of that part in the Hobbit movies where Saaraman, who we know, is going to joy in the dark side if he hasn't already. They're talking about some things they're seeing, disturbing things here and there. And he's like, oh, you know, it doesn't all amount too much. But it does. And again, these are the times that were foretold and they're coming to pass. You know, being in the media realm, writing journal, you know,

like for the epoch times and the Western standard, I think, you know, I ran into your writing. I can't remember the first one, but I do remember Western Center. It doesn't matter. I guess what I'm trying to spit out here is, you know, when you're staring at everything going on

over the course of, you know, you'll have to point it out for me. You know, I go for me over the last four years, heck, maybe even a little shorter than that, three and a half. Being in that industry, because like on this side of podcasting, You know, I've got very little leash, you know, like I report to Sean and people will tell me how they think and what they think about me.

And that's, you know, I'm beholden to the public, I guess. And certainly you are as well. But in that realm of media, the industry itself and maybe some of the ones that you write for, was it, you know, was it easy to write about what you're seeing or was it difficult to get things? through when it talked about certain hot topics, if you will? Well, yeah, at the start of the pandemic, it was more difficult. And that was what I testified about. I know with even talking about some of the experts that you would quote, early on, they're getting called the disinformation people.

So if you sent that out for some other eyes to assess whether this should go out, well, you know, that person's an anti-vaxxer. Well, that's just a label they put on them. But if you Google them, you'd just see that term again and again. If you didn't know to look deeper, you wouldn't. So a lot of things become sort of self-referential where there's a sort of public agreement that this person's a heretic and we shouldn't listen to them. But that changed over time where even some of these people like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., no, he's got legitimate concerns. and things that he was pointing out about it,

about the vaccine, about Fauci, about other things. So, you know, it's like the X-Files say the truth is out there, but some people, you either don't have time to see it, or you don't want to see it, or you really don't know there's a problem yet. And so my suggestion is for us to all be the answer. I do think I have a lot more room with the publications that I do write about, And if I don't get it published, then I have a substack.

And so you can call it all the news not fit to print, even though I thought it was the first time around. Some of the weather modification topics, that's one where, boy, some people are like, that's conspiracy theory. We've got no room for it. It doesn't matter that there's a 750 page document submitted to the U.S. Senate that was on, it's been posted to geoengineeringwatch.org, where even in 1978, the amount of weather modification projects that were going on there is just a dizzying amount. And who knows where they are more than 40 years later. So, yeah, I'm not even sure, given all the things I've just talked about, where to land that plane, ask me something else, Sean. Well, actually, now you got me curious, you know, how this weather modification,

I'm sure you're like, oh, why did I open my mouth on that one? But I'm like, when you get looking into it, Lee, you know, because that's the thing. And everyone's like, oh, yeah, come on.

Weather modification. And then, wait a second, there's a whole bunch of documents about it. It's in the government. And you just start to peel back that onion a bit. Have you looked into that much? Or have you,

you know, or is it just, you've written an article on it and that's it? From time to time. I mean, I did watch the documentary The Dimming, which you can watch on YouTube and which I recommend. And in it, even Bill Van der Zam, the former Premier British Columbia, said he had enough people ask him about it, that he filed an information request to Ottawa. And most of the documents came back, redacted. But there was enough there to know what was going on.

And the funny part is that one of the voices that Paul Keith, that is, you know, he was recently on, CBC radio in my province trying to debunk some of this talk around chem trails, right in the geoengineering documentary, the dimming, if you go to the 18 and a half minute mark, he's there advocating for the use of them so that you can reflect through these aerosols. You can reflect the light back up into the sky and then the heat doesn't hit the earth and you don't have global warming. And so Bill Gates wants to do a project like this somewhere in Scandinavia. So it goes from denying to implementing it and saying it's a good thing, which there's a public relation switch. So, yeah, I mean, does it shock you when you see people lie so blatantly?

No, I sit here. No, nothing should shock any of us. It doesn't. Nothing immoral should shock any of us. World War II proves where, where, technology can go and where publicly mandated evil and deception and propaganda can go. That lesson has already been taught and it is a permanent lesson because the nature of humanity doesn't change.

We should not be surprised about anything. And we should also know that the potential for science to do things that seem like magic right now does exist if you look enough into it. Another thing I talk about is 1901 where H.G. Wells wrote a book. called Anticipations, and he laid out all the things that the elites wanted to do that century. Some of them were not fulfilled. Some of them were within 15 years. But it was basically, he wrote about proposals to basically end the middle class, that the ruler-surf relationship that had prevailed for centuries,

if they didn't act quickly, it was going to be lost. And so you basically had to do everything you could to undermine. the middle class. And so that has happened. And they said basically, I mean, there's a part in there where it says you, you poison them and you dispense with death, with, without benevolence. It's just the needs of expediency. And so they were against the Industrial Revolution. And they were against population growth. They were against free market capitalism. And they were against democracy because it empowered the everyday person. So it's all right there. And, you know, and, you know, this euthanasia agenda that's finally come out, this is a middle stage. Because the final stage is you go from, well, people should have a choice whether they live or die, to, well, the greater good is that we rule that this person doesn't live. And so, you know, we're being conditioned to view life as not being sacred, whether it's end of life or pre-born or what have you.

And there will be a stage after this where, you know, it's just better for the good of us all that certain people aren't living. Yeah, once upon a time, I might have argued with you on that. And then, well, the last three and a half years on this side. See, to me, last three and a half years have really, really opened my eyes to a lot. And I agree with you. Where we're being led, where we're being conditioned to go is probably something along the lines of when is a person, that when does a person's usefulness disappear and is that maybe that's only 95 but if they open that doorway which feels like it's being cracked um you're going to get to where it's 55 you know and

we've seen anytime they crack a door chaos ensues made is a perfect one you know it started with a pretty harmless but not harmless you know i want to be very careful here i will say i i'm glad for those people that are 95 and older that can talk to us and tell us about how things were and what our society was. You know, the fact that we don't value our elders is a sign of cultural decline. You might notice in the cultures they're trying to promote, like indigenous cultures, they very much value elders as the keepers of your traditions and your society and the values that you may have lost. So we need to value our elders and also just think about, okay, we just had our 80th anniversary of D-Day.

Well, the people that were going through the beaches there, they're at least 95 years old. And it's a very good thing that we still have some witnesses. Yeah, I've got to talk to on this side, I think 98 is the oldest. And there's just so much life experience there that needs to be captured, shared, and let them tell some of the

the stories they've lived through because obviously in the last 70, let alone 100 years, the things that have gone on have been monumental. And to have it told by them is so, so ridiculously important. And, you know, it's, it's interesting. I go back to, you know, the doors being open and made, the door being open was, well, when death is foreseeable in the future. I'm spacing on track one. And, you know, you go, I remember a time thinking, oh, okay, sure. And now to see where they got track two, where it's unforeseeable, and now they're talking about mentally ill, and they're talking about mature minors, and they're talking about the cost

associated with, you know, now they're not on the healthcare system. You know, like, this is one little crack in the door, and all of a sudden, insanity is what follows and you just go with the the direction of where we are with our elders yeah there's there's a huge importance of getting their stories told um you know i've interviewed a ton of people who escaped communist communist countries and their stories coming here to canada and trying to warn of what could be down the pipe if we don't stop uh is drastically important and you said something there that I just wanted to go back on, Lee. You said, science may seem like magic now.

When you said that, what were you specifically talking about if there was something? Well, it's any number of things. I mean, when we talk about, you know, that's in the vein of weather modification. It could be in terms of bio-weapons, it could be all kinds of things. But as soon as you realize that depravity is such, there are people who want to gain power and do not value the common person. And if the common person's an obstacle, you deal with them with all shrewdness

and with no moral consideration. Once you realize that's possible, and then you also realize that there's really almost no end to what science can accomplish, then you get to the point where some of the things that would be otherwise dismissed out of hand, as agendas, as things that are actively going forward, they come into the realm of possibility.

And so people need to be more, open-minded about some of the things that they are dismissing as being impossible. What's something you dismissed as possible and now are like, I'm going to have to take a step back on that one? I think this doesn't directly answer your question, but one of the things that I learned early on in pursuing Christianity was the idea that we are in the end times. And so I I read a book by Pat Robertson called the New World Order in 1992, and that was sort of opened my eyes to, not just that these things were happening, but how active the efforts were to make them happen. So that was one step forward in my understanding. I think in the last few years, I've come to appreciate a wider number of things. And so I don't dismiss anything out of hand.

I think one of the things that I wasn't aware of before, but I think makes a lot of sense, is that we had space travel in the past. There are ruins on the moon and Mars and even some other celestial bodies in our solar system. And we read in the Bible that people, when conditions were different on the earth, the way it interacted with their processes of aging was different.

And so people lived longer. You can imagine now as a person who, if they live a long life and their 75, has 50 years of progress where they can learn and then maybe build on learning if they are a pioneer in their field and then they die and someone else has to spend time learning as much as they forwarded it and went on. If you could live for 950 years, you can only imagine how far you could really take things. So the civilization that was wiped out by the flood was very highly technologically advanced. have been some help with this. The non-Christians will call them E.T.s and the Christians will call them angels or watchers, but that were assigned to help humanity with its development. So, you know, that was one aspect. It's not that I was closed. It just hadn't occurred to me, didn't know about it. And I think maybe some of the weather modification might account in that category as well.

So there was a saying by Steve Quayle that the one who, well, the greatest cover up in history is the cover up of history. And I think George Orwell even said the one who controls the present controls the past and the one who controls the past controls the future. So there are people who have consciously undermined the knowledge of a real history to basically undermine. belief in God and the biblical record. And so the Smithsonian Institute has had, I mean, there was excavations done in the mid-1800s of 10,000 mounds. There was actually a dispensation by the U.S. Congress to dig through these mounds and take out the skeletons of the giants that were there. And these are the ones that the Bible talks about, the heroes of old, the men of renown, the ones that even the Greek legends talked about.

And so this, that doesn't fit the evolutionary narrative. And those are either suppressed or there's a rumor that in the 60s they had a boat full of artifacts. They just dumped in the middle of the ocean because it did not fit what they wanted people to believe. Another aspect that was suppressed was transatlantic travel and trans-Pacific travel where there was more of that than we realized. It didn't start with Columbus, that's for sure. I think maybe they're accepting that some of the Vikings came over and got to Newfoundland or what have you. But there was more than that in antiquity. So our history is very different.

And so that's another aspect of things, very unrelated to what we've been talking about. I think. Yeah, very fascinating. And I go, okay, if Lee were to say, you know, you want to pull on an interesting thread and just see where it goes. And maybe I'm going to stick to the biblical side of this thing. What thread would you give me to just pull on a little bit? Because, you know, when I first talked to Bonnie about you, you know, this is why I love talking to people. Some people just surprise you.

And I'm not going to sit here and say I had my mind made up on where this conversation was going. But I had a pretty strong sense of where it was going to go and you've taken me on a hard right turn. And I'm fascinated. it. So if I was going to pull on a thread of biblical proportion that most, well, I don't know, I'm not going to finish that sentence. What we're, I'll answer for you then. If you look up a Gary Wayne, who is a Saskatchewan guy, and he looked up, he was very curious about the Genesis 6 account of the giants. And so he spent 20 years researching it. And so he's done a book called the Genesis 6 conspiracy, which I think the sequel just came out.

I've not read the book, but I have heard many interviews he's done on it. And so if you want to learn about that and how it leads into the royal families of today and that kind of thing, that's one place where you could probably connect the biblical account to historical records to what might be going on right now. And so through that, he does touch on some secret society stuff. and just a lot of the things that would be fascinating and interesting, I think, to anyone who's got enough of the biblical worldview to want to sort of piece this together. You know, before I let you out of here, I guess the final thought I have, and I want to, I should point this out, before I ask you a final question, and if that stems into more, by all means,

where can people find your work? Where can they follow you? I want to ask you. I want to that before I forget about it at the end. Where can people finally? Well, if you want to Google Lee Harding's COVID-19 page, you can see the latest things that I've been writing about that, including the articles that I've written about the National Citizens Inquiry, which I do think there will be a few more. And from there, there's links to where you can find my pages on the various outlets that I've mentioned. And so that's probably the best central place to see what I'm up to what I'm running about. Okay.

Then, A, I appreciate the work you're doing. I appreciate you're the one guy who shows up to the NCI. And another show up to Bonnie for hooking us up, because this has been a super cool hour. When I listen to talk about, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, well, they're messing with the clowns and they're, and they're doing this and they're probably doing that. I could be wrong.

Maybe it's tough to know looking through a screen at you. But to me, when I watch you, I don't get the sense of a guy who is, I don't know, that concerned with it. Obviously, you're concerned with it, but you're not like freaking out about it. Am I right in thinking that? Well, I want to defend. It's funny. President of Fronterier was at a parent's group meeting in this city. And he started out of speech.

He said, Rome was burning, okay? And you think about Niro having 12 fires that he lit all over the place and then blame someone else for them, the Christians. That's not a bad metaphor for what's going on. So one of the things I think were so-called conspiracy theorists lose people is they start to catch on with some of the things that are happening. And then they become quite obsessed with learning about it because it is very significant. It is extremely significant. It has big consequences and you want the world to know. And then when you tell people, they don't believe it is happening and you, you know, you cannot pry someone's eyes open to perceive something.

So I think that's where a lot of people lose it. It's not that I'm not concerned. I'm gravely concerned. But I realize that we are as individuals, we are one person in this whole thing. And if I take on more than is in my ability to affect, I will probably wipe out my ability to affect anything. One of the things, the organizer in Saskatchewan of the NCI invited me to give a speech on the Saturday night after everything wrapped up. And I said, some of us think, what can one person do? And I said, it's kind of the wrong question.

in World War II, when people saw what Hitler was doing, they didn't ask what can one person do. They did not expect to be the one man or one woman army to affect it. They enlisted. They did what they could do. And they hoped that whoever was fighting on some other front was going to win. But they were in it together with the people they were assigned with. They knew that suffering and death was a very real possibility. And they entered the fray.

And so our part is to find what our part is. the rest we can pray about. And we lay our heads at night knowing that in the end it's not our job. I remember when I was in university in Regina being concerned about a lot of things. And the Lord just gave me a picture of him spinning the world like a basketball in his finger. You know, it's really, it's up to him. There are certain rules of engagement that are going on. There's, you know, people are going to decide what they do and what they're,

those decisions turn out to be are part of the point of why history has unfolded and the story of redemption unfolds as it does. But we are making this world what it is because God has given this earth to people. And in some ways we ceded sovereignty to Satan at the original fall of Adam and Eve, but through Christ, redemption is coming to all of creation. And so we are part of that redemptive work and we do our part to share the truth in love and when the job is done it's done yeah and i should point out i didn't mean it as uh you're not worried i actually meant it as more of um a quality that i think a lot of us uh should strive for in that the leg you're like a duck on a pond the legs are moving right like we we got to move here but it's calm and cool

on the surface. And when you're talking about all these things, I guess that's what I was more pointing out is like, this is really fascinating because you're talking about things in such a calm, cool, collected state. Because I mean, the NCI, you know, in one breath, isn't for the faint of heart because there's a lot of tough things being talked about there. This isn't, you know, the Eminton Oilers versus the Florida Panthers. This is, you know, some very, heavy subject matter with uh you know real life consequences to people you know you love friends colleagues family members and i think you know at times uh we should channel a little bit of lee harding and in that you should be able to talk about things and from a standpoint of confidence or knowledge

and yet not losing our absolute and uncontrollable beans about it um there is times in place for everything either way Lee I really appreciate it and that's what I was pointing out and I appreciate you coming on and doing this and and and you're like that platform possible what you're saying reminds me of there's someone who has a website called stop the crime dot net I think it is and I've heard I hear name fails me at the moment but I've heard her talk and she she will just rattle off the like one thing after another with documentation of some very disturbing things that the people are trying to make happen.

And she said she went through her own thing. She said, I had truth trauma. She said, I had PTSD, but just through what I was learning. But you get passive and make the difference that you can. And I thank you for giving me this platform to speak to you and maybe open a few heads minds. Well, and as always on this side of things, I get to run into another guy. And, you know, at times, girls, it's split.

down the middle, I think, where I'm like, how the heck didn't I meet this guy two years ago, you know? But everything at its right time and place. Thanks, Lee, for hopping on. And I look forward to seeing what you come up with next or what you're writing about and what you're reporting on. And just keep on moving forward, sir. Thanks, Sean. It'll probably be pretty conventional fair. My interviews tend to get in some pretty far-flung stuff a lot more than what my writing does.

the best you keep up your great work thank you