Shaun Newman Podcast - #668 - Brother's Roundtable

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

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This is Tom Bodrovics. This is Alex Kraner. This is Sean Alexander. This is Taner Nadei. This is Tom Luongo. This is Mokabezergan. And you're listening to Sean Newman podcast. You know, we're in the studio, and I keep trying to start it,

and the brothers keep just jibber-jabbering. Anyways, welcome to the brothers. Another episode of the Brothers Roundtable on the Sean Newman podcast. Boys, we're going to start here. You know, we're going to start with the Kalani Pink Cup because he gets it again. Again. Thank you.

Do I get to keep it? because I've had it so much. Is that five? I have no idea. Four times. That's like four of the last five times. Just let the listeners know. Sean is fired up today.

Hey, Sean? You won the silver coin, Sean? Okay. So, we'll just add to the stack there. Dust, how many do you end up with? Three. Oh, that's too bad. That's too bad.

Harles? One. Jay? I got one. There you go. Got one for a bus. So I guess I knew what I was talking about when I said the Oilers, give me the seven games, they went to the seven games, but did they,

man, that was a tough watch. And I think I said that it was going to be tough to win four against Brobroski, and in the end, Broboski got the win. Yeah. The problem wasn't game seven. The problem was the first three games of the series. You can't go down three rip. And in the end, they went down three rip, and it was exciting, and they came back,

And they could have made history. All it comes down to is goaltender lets a bad one in. You don't get a bounce. Yeah, but that's... But we're talking about one game. We've always said anything happened in game seven. Anything can happen. That's what I'm saying.

Out of all those four games, out of all the series. But it could have happened in any of the other three, right? They just had bad puck luck. In fairness, they lost the first three games. Sure. And so anybody that showed... They won three and had a chance last night to win. And they showed up and give Florida credit.

Give Florida credit. They hit everybody that moved last night. Florida played desperate. Yes. And for the first time in that series, they didn't have another game to go, well, if we lose, we got another game. So you knew they were going to come out.

Bags are against the ball. Okay, one one after the first. Any coach I've ever had, any player any time, you go to the opposing team's rink and you come out tied or ahead, you're going, good first period. I don't care how it looked. We came out tied her head.

Yeah, Mark scores. Tied all up. And you go, okay, so where's the push in the second period? Where's the push in the third period? Once again, the others are down to one, and they just waited so long to start shooting the puck. And I'll say all that. And they're the frustrating team to watch because you just go like, just start firing the puck. You walk to the middle of the slot.

You have a lane, shoot the puck. And when they started doing that, that's when Barbarowski was flying like nobody's business. There was a couple shifts there where there was a big time scramble that Florida, every guy threw their body in front of the puck to make sure they were they doing the net. They were starting to put the puck to the net. And you go, at what point do you just go, boys, maybe we should just start putting the puck to the net? Like everybody rags on Skinner for goal number two, what did Florida do? They shot the puck. And eventually it goes in because that's what's going to happen.

It actually wasn't happy, though, their defense been backing in on Skinner. I know, but it was a three on four if you actually go back and look at it. Three Florida players against four. One little mistake. He shot it from the top of the circle. goal he should have had it goal he should have it wasn't screened not tipped

poor goal he gave us 900 save percent but in reality you weren't going to win that game won nothing and in reality the top players

for the Oilers did not show up yep didn't show up McDavid didn't show up for how McDavid can play it didn't show up well they kind of

hard time numerous times out there but the only thing to me by the end of the game it almost looked like they were playing them playing them guys too much during the game and there was no push at the end of the game.

So third period, I was watching that and I've had this happen as a coach myself where it's close, you're in a do or die situation and you start rolling your top guys out too much and that last shift they had nothing left. There's nothing left. It went into the corner and dry settle was already spent before. Well, David was spent too. Like I don't know how much, I heard that McDavid played 10 minutes in the last period and it's like that's too much. Like you have no push at the end because you've going too hard for too long and you got nothing left yeah and their last good shift was like three or four minutes left where it was a huge scramble in front but that was the last time they had energy and then after that you can't roll guys every second you talk about this you can't roll guys

out every second shift for a whole period because there comes a point where you just got no gas left to go get the puck and yeah well i've lost games because of it so i know exactly what you mean and you got it you got to trust yourself as a team i mean a that team was getting goals a lot from the six, you should be able to go down to three lines, but you should have been rolling three lines. Well, three lines, the whole last period. And you don't go down to five minutes left. You don't go down to two until five minutes left. Otherwise you gas your top players.

McDavid played 25 minutes. How much do you play in the third, though? Well, I think it was close to 10 minutes. It doesn't, it doesn't show me. But 25 minutes for a forward, that's high. And at the same time, the argument is you're going to, you're going to absolutely spend him out, right? But I agree with Dost. There was a push at the end of there.

There's a certain touch, and you get panicky as a coach because you're going, I've got to have my best guys out, and this is the last game. There's no saving them. But if you play them too much too early, they will tire out. It happens to me all the time at No, NAR. You get eight skaters. You get eight skaters, and all of a sudden, by the third period, there's just nothing left in old Jay. We said, you know, I don't know how many times we talked about this,

but in order for the Oilers to win, you've got to get 900 save percent from Skinner, and everybody remember the second part, their power play has some. the score. Now, they only got one chance, went 0 for one, but 0 for one on the power play. Chances on that power play. They did, but 0 for one on the power play. And Skinner gave you the 900. So, you know, you can balk at the second goal, but they scored two. But can we go back and say that, so the Oilers, I believe, went three for 23 in that series. Yeah, it wasn't good enough. And we talked about before the series started about the power play, and at three for 23, it wasn't good enough, right? If that power play clicks at a lot higher level,

win one of the first three games. Yes. And then we're sitting here with the older's one and six. Yes. Penalickill is dynamite, too. You think it's first time, they're not, it's not like they're 20 years old, but you think

shock of being in the Stanley Cup finals, I was thinking this morning when I woke up, you know, Sydney Crosby's first year, when they first made the Stanley Cup finals, they lost to Detroit. And then the next year they came back to play Detroit and beat them the next year. Do you think that has anything to do with it? You know, the others...

Grexia was the same way. they played the Islanders. Now, Islanders are a different team than Florida, but Florida made the Stanley Cup final the year before. Like, they're a good,

good team. Maybe some to it. I could see that. Mike, I mean, we all sit here and go, the problem is a fan, you know, like,

you go, and any fan of any team knows this already, right? The Pittsburgh Penguins or maybe even the Tampa Bay Lightning, for the most part,

are usually an anomaly. And saying that, in the last, what, 12, 15 years we've had, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A.

that have gone the distance a lot. But usually... Throw Florida in there now probably too. But usually, like, it's really difficult to get back to the Stanley Cup finals. Because now you've got to go 82 game season, and then you've got to make the gauntlet of the playoffs with out of the injuries, right?

You think about the Oilers, at the end they were missing a Vander Cain. And for sure, there's going to be guys banged up. There's always going to be guys banged up. But they made it they're relatively healthy. All their defensemen made it. Well, they ran seven defensemen the whole year. Like, that is unheard of.

Well, they didn't have an injured defenseman in the playoffs, which is also unheard of. Well, Stetcher sat there and watched the whole playoffs. Yeah. I brought in a veteran D to be an extra guy and they never needed them. Never needed them. It's crazy. So what do they do next year?

Well, no, before we get to next year, how about Connor McDavid getting the Conn Smythe? Whatever. Out of all the people that voted, I think there was one that didn't have them as number one. I'm a bit of both. You know, I go, he had a really great playoffs, so did Broboski. And Broboski had three bad games, but I bet you if you looked at it,

actually the first two series, Bobrovsky was under 900 save percentage in both series. So it wasn't like he was lights out the entire time. He was just in the third series he was. Right. As it went on the third and probably the fourth for half of it anyways, he was lights out. But, you know, for, for.

For half of it, you're... Like, everyone talked about Dallas being deep, but Florida was deep. But they didn't really have one guy that really stood up. No, there wasn't. They had just a really solid team the whole way through. Like, you look at those forwards between Barkoff and Bennett and Reinhardt and Kachuk. Like, you go down that list, you're like, that's just a real... Verhegey.

Like, they had a ton of guys that can just play hockey at a really high level. Now, did they have, like, an elite guy? Yeah, not exactly. But, man, those guys can play. Barkoff is a player. But it's funny, I was saying last night, you know, we always, as Oilers fans get on the Oilers when they're up 2-1 and they start doing that flip-out thing. That's all Florida did to us for the last 15 minutes. Just chip it in and trip it out.

And everybody was back. And everybody was back. If the Oilers, you go back to Jay's thoughts, they're down three-all. If they're down one-verse-two, now you give yourself the opportunity to have a game where you just can't find the back of the net. As soon as you have to be perfect. You have to be perfect. Four in a row. Yes, we talked about that.

It's tough. I just, you know, it's interesting. For the Oilers to come back down from three on, oh, and not quitting? Like that says something too. Oh, there's a lot of character in that room. And they did it all year. Not that I'm looking for,

they could have quit and not even made the playoffs. It's interesting again. And I find it so funny coaching, even men, where nobody understands how we do not want to give up odd man rushes. Like, you look how Florida was in that last two periods. There's no odd man rushes. There's no breakways. There's no two-on-ones.

There's no three-on-ones. three on twos, like everybody's back, and it was very difficult for them to penetrate. There was one. You have been generated off the cycle, which is tough. There was one. And yeah, and Mark scored on it. But that was in the first, yeah. I was in the first.

But they locked it down the last. Once they got to 2-1, they locked it down. I don't remember a 3-on-2 even. So, and I, once again, I could be wrong on this. But so the Oilers would get perimeter control, right? They get in the zone. They work it around the perimeter. But if you never shoot the puck and force Bobrovsky or any goalie to make a save

and specifically where he can't glove it and stop the play. Then they get to just sit on top of their goaling and they just keep you to the outside. And they know the Oilers are looking for that backdoor tap in, whatever. And once they started shooting and making Florida run and trying to scramble and fall and everything, that's where all their chances came from. So off the rush, that's where you get all this nice passing plays.

When you're generating off the cycle, the whole goal is just to get the puck on net. And you've got to have someone in front of the net. And have guys like Perry and Hyman there. That's right. that's how you score off the cycle. If you think you're going to go, oh, tick, tack, toe off the cycle,

the problem is you got five of their guys defending in the middle of the ice. They're giving you the outside, and it's really hard to penetrate that. And they're blocking shots. And they're blocking shots. So if you can get the puck to the net, that's how you generate off the cycle.

Started the playoffs. They were scoring five on five goals. And they did all through playoffs, right? And we were Harper. And where's their bottom six? And well, the bottom six sure came alive in the last couple series. They started to really chip in.

But the thing is, is once you get to Florida, like they, you know, they were tightening up. Like that last game, there wasn't a whole lot of breathing there. Now, if you score a timely goal and now it becomes 2-1-U, 3-1-U, the power play chips and one, then they have to ease off that and start attacking. It opens things up, and it's just tough. You know, I sit here, I'm annoyed, and everybody can hear it because you're just like, maybe we've got to wait another 20 years.

Maybe it happens next year again, right? I get it. We got the greatest player ever to play, and we're a good hockey team, and we're going to have a shot. What do you do next year to make sure you get it, you're at least in the conversation to make it back to the dance. All right, so I'm going to throw out some names. So what happens to Evander Kane?

Okay, so there's three guys in my mind that are signed for next year that you look at trading. Now, whether you can trade all these three of these guys, that's a different question. But mine, Evander Kane, Derek Ryan has one year left. I think it's time to move on from him. I think he was the weakest player out of year 12 that we're playing. And the third guy is Darno Nurse at six years at 9.25. Now, can you move nurse? I don't know.

Do you keep them around for next year? Yeah, quite possibly. Quite honestly, next year is not your big problem. The year after is the big problem because most of your guys are signed for next year. You've got three unrestricted free agents you probably want to sign for next year, and we can debate about which three of those are. But in my mind, Brown-Yan Mark and maybe Desjarnay are the three unrestricted free agents you maybe want to sign.

What about Henrique? Now, in my mind, Henrique, the problem is money. He'd be the other guy. How do you get, so let's, let's zero. on a nurse for a second. How do you get rid of nurse? Okay, wait, wait. Let me, let me go through the rest that I think that you probably want. So your RFAs are Holloway and Broberg. Those are the two you want to sign them. You're going to sign both for sure. And then the UFAs you give up on or you could sign in my mind are

Carrick. You probably let go. Fogel, you probably let go. Gagne, you let go. Henrique is the one that you mentioned, Perry, who I think probably retires and Pickard. Those are your UFAs outside of Brown, Yanmark and Desire. So one guy you haven't mentioned either is Jack. Campbell. Jack Campbell is going to get bought out. He's got three years left at $5 million. He's going to get bought out here right away. So how do you get rid of Darnel Nurse? Well, that's the problem because you're going to have to eat money to make that trade. Only way you're doing it is trade. The buyout is unrealistic at this point. Well, you're not going to buy him out because he's too good of a player.

The problem is to trade him. You're going to have to eat up, what, $3 million? And if you're going to eat up $3 million, doesn't make sense to trade Darnel Nurse. Well, you're still freeing up six. Yes, but then you've got to replace Darnelner's. Who are you going to replace him with? Oh, I don't think replacing him is that big a deal. So who you replace him with? Okay, so I want to talk about the defense for a second

because you got Echon for two years. Bouchard's got one year and then he's going to get a big contract. Cici's one more year at 3.25. Colleckel. Two years at 2.75. And then you've got, so you can actually keep your defense together outside of Dejaunay. So if you traded Nurse, though,

and got back a draft pick in the 8 $3 million, then if you re-sign designee and you resign Broberg, doesn't Broberg replace Nurse and there's your top six and then you go out and look for a veteran cheap guy to be your seventh defenseman? Sure. And then you trade Kane away. Are you comfortable?

Are you comfortable with Broberg coming in? I know he had a nice run there for two stretches in the playoffs. Oh, I think Broberg's a regular D-Man next year. Yeah, I think so you're comfortable he replaces nurses minutes, no problem. He plays on your second pairing. Yeah. The question is, do you want to upgrade what you've got there if you move nurse out? Well, but you're comfortable with CC.

There's only so many things you can do. You also got to remember what you just said, Bouchard and Drysidal need raises. So one of my. Yeah, yeah, but that's not next year. No, no, no, but my focus with Drysidal and Bouchard is opening up money to sign them. No, but I'm signing them here if I can this summer. Yes.

Not, I'm not waiting a year. I'm not waiting until they're done. Yes. So you're going to have, so A, you're going to be trying to free up cash. to sign them two guys, and then once you get them two guys signed, you can be able to work backwards and go, what do I actually have left? Yes. So how do you, Van der Kaine's, do you think of VanderKain's tradable?

Yes. I think so. Do you have to? Two years of 5.125, I think he is. I think so. I agree with that. Like for the, for the value you're getting for that guy, do you think you can trade them two years, 5.125?

Yeah, I think there's teams that'll take that on. So if you trade a Vander Kaine and you trade Nurt, and let's say you've got to eat three million on Nurse, you've just freed up 11 million bucks. You turn around, you sign Bouchard and Drysidal, but the Drysidal and Bouchard contracts, don't kick in for another year. That's right. So then that frees up $11 million to go get what you want. Plus you buy out Jack Campbell.

That's going to free up another, what's that going to free up? I don't know. Probably 3.5. So now you're up to, you know, you're up to $14.15 million. Plus, Fogel's gone, right? Yep. So now you're at 17, 18 million. Now you just got to plug it in the caps going up.

So you're 20 million bucks. If you can get rid of Cain and Nurse, you're freeing up $20 million. You might sign Henrik. I think you would sign Henry. at that point. And you're also going to look, you know, Broberg's nice. Do you go out there and look for who's on the market for a defenseman this year? No, no.

Because if you could go out there and get someone bigger, then you could even look at Trainsisi. I don't know what Henrique signs for, and that's the only sticking point. And for the term, that's the thing I get worried about. In my mind, out of the UFAs that I'm looking at, Brown and Yanmark are the two guys that I would like to sign, I just don't know price tag. They played pretty well in the playoffs. How much do they sign for?

I still think you're going to get Yamark at a decent price. And even- Tyler Myers. The thing about defense, too, is you can wait until the trade deadline to pick up Alex Martinez, Brady. I think you're almost waiting until the deadline in order to do something like that. I forget how to spell it. The guy from Carolina.

Skied? That's if you sign. Brady Ski? Ski. He wouldn't be bad. What about Brett Pesci? Tanev, Tyson-Berry. Sitesev.

I guess when I look at everything, I go, you're actually not in terrible shape this year. Pesci. Puschard and. Dylan, Duma. Dumba. You got to get me drysidal and Bouchard signed for one next year. That'll be big.

Easy. Nice, too. But this year, you're actually not in bad shape. And after this year, if you lose Cici, it's not the end of the world, right? You get one more year out of them. Kulak for two more I'm fine with. You got to remember, and you got to remember, every time you subtract somebody, you've got to put something in their spot.

And you don't have a guide. So you're saying Broberg's ready to replace. nurse who replaces a vander cane can i ask a dumb question right because when nurse got hurt we it's not like we went oh whoopty dude nurse isn't playing you actually missed him yes he was he was noticeably not on the ice as much as we we rag on him and some of the giveaways and everything else he plays some heavy minutes for the oilers to act like brogberg step in for a full season i don't know well you need a so so so so why can't you why can't you why can't you, you know, you look at it and you go,

wow, we can move nurse out. We got a year. We got a year before we got to worry about moving nurse out. I'm not saying you don't, but you look at it and you could return your entire defense staff and add in Broberg, and all of a sudden you have 7D where now maybe guys like,

you know, is Cici playing every game? Is Culek playing every game? I don't know. Can I go, I agree with you. The strength is in defense, and if you subtract nurse, that's a big hole. So let's look at a different way. Let's say you didn't get rid of nurse. Let's say you let him get healthy. Let's say he got rid of CC. Trade him away, free up his cash. That gives a spot for Broberg to play.

Broberg now mentors under. Assuming you sign Desirene. Assuming you signed Desirene. Yeah. I'm going to assume you do. For less than 3.25. No, no, no, but you're also getting rid of Vander Cain and you're buying out giant combo. But just look at your defense. CC's worth 3.25. You should be able to sign Dejaunay for less than 300.25. Yeah. So if you move CC out, you put Dejernay in there for a million and a half. Yeah. Something like that. On your third pair. with Cula. You're open up a little bit of cap space and now you just need a 70 man. That's right. Yeah. And Broberg now gets played top four minutes and pairs with

nurse. Yes. Sure for one more year. Right. And then you worry and then you see how that year goes and then you worry about you trade in nurse at the end of this year. You buy out Jack Campbell, you move a Vander Kane. You don't resign Warren Fogel because he's going to get high enough money. You were asking about who plays Kane's minutes. Remember this year Kane played on the third line for a good chunk of the season. He does not play on your number one power play and he doesn't play on your penalty kill. Right. So what are you losing? I still feel. I still feel. I still. I still feel like a healthy cane you're losing what the others wanted, which was 20 goal seasons.

A big strong forward power pole up top. Right? Yeah. He just, but he played on your third line. He does not play on your first line power plane. I think the only reason he played, I sometimes feel like he played on the third line a little bit is because he didn't have a great year. And because him and dry saddle didn't get a long great. Sure.

But in reality, if I'm running that team, I would love, I mean, I think the, the Hyman, McDavid, Newgen, Hopkins is a legit number one line. Yes. I would like to find somebody. to play with dry saddle. To play with dry saddle. But isn't Holloway that guy? I don't know yet. You haven't,

he hasn't sold me. Yeah, but you're talking about Kane as being like his hallway better than Kane. But Kane has this history of where he scores goals. Yes, but is he still that same guy, Jay? He was injured this year. Did the Oilers miss him in games four, five, and six in the playoffs?

I feel like the Oilers did miss him. In four, five, and six. I feel like the Oilers, no, I understand they won four, five, and six, but they missed them in one, two, and three.

If they have a healthy, of Vander Cain in games one, two and three, I guarantee you they win one of the three. Didn't he play one or two of those? He couldn't sit down. Healthy, I'm talking about. Healthy, healthy, healthy. They literally pointed out he couldn't sit down on the bench. Obviously, he was sore. Right. And his game is bang and crash. And scoring goals. But in order to do that, you've got to be healthy. All I'm saying is, is maybe Holloway is one of the guys on Dryside line that matures there. I'm not sold that yet. In my top six, I want guys that are, especially playing with Dryside, you better be a 20 goal score because dry

Cytle is one of the best players in the league. If you can't score, I mean, think of the guys that Crosby used to have, Dupuy, and some of them guys, Koonitz, right? Them guys were scoring 20 to 30 goals a year playing with Sidney Crosby. That's the guys that I want there. Hallaway might be that.

I'm not saying he isn't, but that's who needs to be there. So you're saying you still got a top six winning? Fogles scored 20 goals this year playing when that line lots. Right. So you're just trying to replace a, you know, a cheaper version of a cane or a

full goal. or somebody that... Well, you get to replace both of them. If you trade cane and Fogle, you don't resign, there's two of your top six wingers. Fogel was playing with... He also sat in the playoffs, too. I know, but, I mean, he came out

guns of blaze of playing with dry saddle. Right. Right, he had a couple big goals there. Once again, I just don't... I'll just go... You subtract them out. It's not like you got 17 forwards waiting in the wings

to fill the... I'll just cool the... I'll just go the opposite way. You actually do. I don't feel comfortable going into the next season where dry sidles centering a second line of Holloway and McLeod. No, McLeod, I don't think is a second line. Well, then who's the other winger right now?

Well, no, but you got to go find that other winger. That's what I'm saying. But that's the point. Detroit and Chicago did this. And train him at the end of next year. No, I get rid of cane. I agree with you with trading cane. I just want to find a replacement.

You just talked about how you wanted to keep like cane around because he was the straw that stirred the drink, a 20-go-guld guy to play with nurse. not what I said at all. Clean your ears out. That's not what I said. I said if he had been healthy, I think they missed him. I don't think he's going to be necessary. He's not getting any younger.

Next year he's now 32 or something. I think you, I agree with you in moving cane. I think he keep nurse. You got to find a guy. You just got to find a replacement to plan that top six. Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh,

all did what we're talking about, right? I mean, you're, you get rid of a guy. guy and you're just trying to find a filling guy that you can get for a bit cheaper. Here's your problem on Kane. He's got a no movement clause. There you go. So now I'm going to convince him to move.

No. You have a chat with him. He has some control. He's not going to have all control where he probably has to provide a list of teams that he's willing to be traded to or something like that. Maybe. Maybe not. No move clause.

No move clause to February 28, 2025. No Trade Clause begins March 1st, 2025. There you go. You can trade them at the deadline. You can trade them at the deadline. Yeah, right? March 1st, you could trade them at the deadline. So you've got them.

You've got them for the season. Sure. I'm not that worried about it. Like I said, this year they actually can keep the band together if they want, all the major players. You're going to make the playoffs. At the end of this year, you'd have to make some hard decisions. Well, I think you go through it and you go, okay, like, as much as I said this

towards the end, I'm not going to rag on skin. anymore. When he can play, he just has to be more consistent. I do want a solid backup for him. He's 25. So are you signing Kelvin Pickard? I would. Why wouldn't you? Okay. So then you got Skinner starting a net next year with Calvin Pickard as your backup. I try and

find an upgrade on Pickard, but if you'd sign Pickard, whatever. Pickard, I thought, did everything you asked of? Yes. I don't know. And he's going to sign for like $7.50. You're going to get him for base money. Yeah. For one year? Sure. Just don't make the Campbell mistake.

No. You got two years left. Last year he made 762. Oh, he's getting a raise. We're going to 775. There you go. It might get 900. So in that, let's work out this out.

So in net, you got Stuart Skinner, who some were, he out battled Ottinger. We didn't see that coming. And, you know, and he out battled some top goalies. So you got, okay, Stuart Skinner and net, you got Calvin Pickard. Didn't he turn the series around in Vancouver, Pickard? Pickard. Yes. Right?

Yes. Yep. and Stuart Skinner, I think, shocked most people in the Dallas series. That last game we had no business winning, and he stood on his head, right? And he did the same thing in L.A., there was a game there where they absolutely pepper. Okay. So in net, you have the same. Now, I don't know the numbers on breakdown on what Broberg gets paid, what Darnay gets paid.

But if you could walk back in the next season with Nurse Eckholm, Bouchard, C.C., Kulak, Broberg, Dernay, you're making the playoffs. Well, and if you could get rid of Cici because he doesn't have a no move, move clause. Now you slide in and you have nurse at home Bushard and Broberg is your top four with with Kuulak and Dernay as your bottom two and then go find someone and go find somebody. Like to me like you go well our goal tending solid and our D is better. I hate to say this guys but there's a guy named Brett Pesci out there and so if you can get

rid of C C C and you can buy out Jack Campbell can you free up enough cash to bring Pesci in because he's a legit top four guy. Okay but what is he gonna get? I don't know your big problems going through everything though is actually you got a lot of holes to fill in your forward side. Your defense side is actually okay for the most part. We don't have this home run of a defense. I don't mean to go like. But it's solid. But like we just lost in game seven in the Stanley Cup finals

2-1, not eight, nothing, right? Our defense, you know, like, is there some, yeah, okay. But you got six forwards coming. Broberg stepped in and played very well. You have six forwards coming back next year, assuming you don't trade cane until the deadline. So you got a healthy cane coming back. We got McDavid, Drysettle Hyman, Nuge, Kaine, McLeod, and Derek Ryan. That is your seven.

That's seven. I'm sorry, seven. And then you've got, now you go, can we sign Brown and Yanmark? Which I'm going to say yes. And then you've got Henrique. Those are the three that you're like, well, if we could. Say no to Henrik right now because we just don't have the cash. Okay.

So if you sign Brown and Yanmark, now you're up to nine forwards. You need to do something. Is it a hallway? Yes. That would include hallway. Holloway is restricted. You're going to sign. him. So you're looking at, you've got

four. You get, you get, you get Holloway Brown and who's your third? Yanmark, that give you 10 people signed. Assuming you don't trade away Derek Ryan. So you're going to take some flyers on some guys because you're going to take some guys. No, no, no. I think you move on. Do you have anybody? So does a Rafi Lavoie come up and

be one of them 12 guys? Maybe, but you're probably going to have to sign a couple of cheaper forwards to plan your bottom six. But you just wonder, is there a couple guys down the farm? You got to think that Emmington is a destination of choice right now. If you're a guy who can offer something, come in, play the bottom six, like would you take a bit of a haircut to have a chance?

I think there'd be some vets that would. They would have an opportunity to win a Stanley Cup. Yeah. Right? Like, they're that freaking out. And depending on the type of player it is, you never know when injury happens or something happens. Next thing you're siding up beside dry-sidler-McDavid.

Well, and they did that the whole playoffs. Perry is a perfect example of that. Perry McLeod came in and played with dry saddle. He sat, right? Warren Fogel got to play beside dry saddle for at least 40 games this year. And now he's going to go get paid. He's going to get paid probably four plus. This is the final roundtable of 2024.

We won't be back again until, well, we'll probably have a couple here throughout the year. It would be my assumption. But this ends a playoff run and a long playoff run. Any final thoughts before we shove off for another year? Well, I guess I should mention that I won the triple crown of hockey drafts this year. I won the kinsman, the kid Scotty, and the Newman hockey draft. I think I should retire because that'll never happen again. But I thought I'd bring it up because that's three wins out of three this year.

How was that? You were at Rogers Place last night. Yes. How was that? So inside was packed, mostly with families with kids for the most part. I imagine there's lots of people that can't afford to take their kids to a Stanley Cup finals game, right? So there was lots of kids, so that was really cool. Owen had a really good time.

Outside was nuts. It was crazy. There was people everywhere. And if they would have won, you know, I probably would have grabbed onto Owen's arm and dragged them out of there because there's so many people. And there's lots of boozing and all the rest of it where you just grab and go and get out of there, right? But the amount of people there was just insane for sure. Yeah, for them to be on six, well, I was listening to pregame with the kids ride note to Jay's place out on the farm.

and 630 Chad was like and they're telling people not to go downtown I'm like holy crap there's a lot of people down there if that's what they're saying oh the lineup was like eight people standing shoulder to shoulder around the block to get into the moss pit like like the whole way around the block 15 I think they said the areas outside

the rink could hold 15,000 people and they were turning people away to get into those areas so like you're probably there's a lot of people there 30, 40,000 people outside. Never mind the 20 inside. Yeah. Right?

Like, there's a pile of people. Yeah. So it was pretty cool. We jammed 28 people in the grandma's, grandma and grandpa's house. So that was pretty cool last night. Didn't know if we could do it. And there's nothing quite like a full house. No.

Everybody, you know, you go, how are we going to fit all these people in? We were talking on it. Then they fit in just perfectly. And everything was fine. Everything's fine. I'm interested to see, you know, everybody's talked about the fab four for the Leafs where you know you got four guys are paid really high and the Oilers have to go are going to have to make a decision here because

within a year they're going to have McDavid and Dry Seidel and Bouchard and right now nurse and in the past it hasn't worked out that well so is there a tough decision there well I mean nurse is the easy one but can you can you move a guy you know it's the same problem Toronto's having with Taveris. They would love to move Tavares at 11 million. But you have to have a taker on the other end. That's right. And so I'm just curious to see how they navigate that.

They've got some great contracts in Nugent Hopkins and Hyman that just locked them in there. But what does it look like? And you think next year, Skinner's still at two point. Right. You got two years on Skinner, so that's all right. You got two years left on Acombe. You got a window here. You got a window here.

That's all I'm saying. Like, you go, you got to get rid of nurse. and like I know all the nurse haters and at times I can pile on that bandwagon but when he wasn't playing you noticed it and you're like we could use that body because we're not this big physical team we could use a couple big bodies

is why if you lose VanderKain you're like well who are we going to replace him with and the other thing besides the fact that he was a league worst minus nine through the playoffs to me it's not even that to me it's the rimming around the boards I don't know how many times

this guy is supposed to be one of your top defensemen and he's rimming around the boards in the Stanley Cup playoffs, and it wasn't just once or twice. Like, we're talking all the time, right? And Paul Coffey was talking about make a play or we'll find somebody else. Like, to me, this is. We'll find out what Paul Coffey thinks the nurse this summer

because if nurse is gone, then I'll tell you. And if nurse is back, then he thinks he can continue to work with them. Yeah. I do like a team that feels like they're part of the group. And the one thing you have in Darnell nurse is he was drafted by the Oilers and he feels like he's a big part of that team. And McDavid, he'll fight for that team. And McDavid, the leaders of the Oilers, C nurse, as a part of that.

That's right. And, you know, the other thing I always think of, you know, now obviously, you know, like if you put them with, I don't know, if you put them with at home or something, would it change? I don't know. But D's really interesting because, you know, dry settle is probably going like, am I going to get a winger already? And you think a nurse, like over the course of his career, some of the partners he's had, like, C.C. isn't helping him all. It's not like C.C. is this big stalwart guy on the other. Cici is doing the exact same thing as Arnell Nurse.

So you're going like... That's why Broberg's so good, though. Right. Well, that's... Matching up with someone, because that's what... If you watch Echholm play, he actually rims the puck around, the boards a lot. Now, does he do other stuff? Yes, he does.

But if you actually watch him play, now he does it smartly. But what Bouchard does for Echom is he gives him that outlet, and he's a more of a passing playmaking guy. But you still got Echolm. that's the physical, rugged, long reach, you know. Rough on the boards. That's what Darnell Nurse kind of needs. It is.

Some like Broberg. Well, you watch Broberg, and he skates as good as any other D-Men. Yes. And when he picks the puck up, he makes plays. Yes. And you look at Nurse, and you go, like, man, you can bang on crap. I get it. I get it.

But I have played on defense parings where the other guy just doesn't help you out. And just like, it's tough. And you're not playing the fourth line. playing the top line over and over and over again and you go like if you slide out cecy put broberg in there i don't know maybe that maybe their oil and water and him and nurse don't have aren't compatible but you go gee that that doesn't sound that bad and you slide cc out and slide in brett pesci beside him well fair enough right it's just the money side of things once again that's so the biggest thing that happened in this oilers playoffs and

this was i was not expecting was broberg what he came in and did especially as a defenseman was impressive. He came in halfway through the playoffs, didn't miss a beat and looked good out there. Holloway was very much the same way. Well, Holloway, but Hallaway played a good chunk of the year with the Oilers,

whereas Broberg played essentially zero, came in halfway through the playoffs in the third round is when he started playing. And he was good. And that bodes well for them because now you've got a defenseman who can slot in your second pair who's there.

I think the guy, the other note here is I'm just interested to see what if Raffey Levoy can come in next year, who's a six-foot-four guy that scores goals, can he make the jump? Because that changes the whole conversation. Yes, one. If you could bring in a guy in an entry-level deal for three years, that can he at six-foot-four go play on the second line with Dryside and go to the net and score goals.

Well, I think here's the thing about the others, though, Jay, is you go, can he slot in the second line? If you look at what they did with the hallway the last couple years and with Broberg, is when those guys came in the lineup, they didn't jump immediately to the, you know, Fair enough. Top guys. Fair not. But Raffy's been in the miners for a while,

so it'll be interesting if he can slide into the fourth line and work the way up. You keep bringing up Pesci. Okay? Pesci was $4 million last year. So he got $4 million from Carolina. He is 29. So he's looking for payday. Yeah, he is.

But you look at Pesci's stats and everything else. So Devin Taves just got signed for $7.25. Sure. And I look at Pesci and you, I think if I'm a general manager out there on any of them teams, it's a hard push to say Pesci's that much better than Devon Taves. And his highest point total in the last, in his career, was in 82 games, he had 30 points, 5 goals, 25 assists.

Last year he played 70 games at 3 goals, 10 assists. So it's not exactly like he's going to lighten it up. So can you bring him in for 5.5 and a half? And he's an upgrade on C-C. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he's going to come and run your power play, but that's not what you need. No, you don't need that.

Actually, you need... And if he pair him with Darnel Nurse, he settles Darnel Nurse down who can still jump in the play and shoot the puck. This is why I go back to Brown and Yarmark, why you want to bring him back is because the penalty kill, they were so good on it. And if you can keep your penalty kill somewhat together after this year, like you're gonna...

Well, you bring Brown-Yan Mark, and then on your other one you have... The other thing, Brown coming back. Like, this year he was coming back from torn Achilles, I believe. Was it not? It was an ankle drew. And he didn't look good until about the second round of the playoffs, maybe the third round. But now he's starting to get actually healthy again.

He's starting to get healthy again, right? So now you've got him being healthy. The thing about Brown, too, is he'll probably get a, you know, probably could get a payday if he went elsewhere at this point, I think, you know, more than he's getting. The only thing about the Oilers is he obviously played with Connor McDavid and his coach was. Knoblock. No block back in junior. So, you know, he's got, and the Oilers believed in him and gave him. and gave him no opportunity and stuck with them.

And you lost in game seven in the Stanley Cup finals. You're like, you keep the band together, as long as you can make the dollars in the sense. Florida pretty much kept the band together and added Teresanco at the deadline. Yeah. They didn't do a lot of different things. And what's funny about Teresanko is,

uh, he didn't actually, like he was okay, but it wasn't like he scored a bunch of goals. He wasn't their guy. He wasn't their guy. He wasn't their guy. He wasn't their guy.

He didn't run. He wasn't their guy. In fact, I'd make the case that Henrique probably did more for the Oilers than Teresanko did for Florida. So because I had the pink cup the most, Do I get to keep the pink cup now? You got a cup last week. I know, but do I get to keep the pink one?

You want to keep the pink Kalani cup? Sure. Well, sure. I think it's well deserved. Yeah, there we go. I've got something too. Okay. Well, round of applause for you, Jay.

Yeah, round of applause. Yeah. Pink up. Thanks, boys, for doing it. And, you know, it's funny. I don't think at times, you know, I go back to Jay making the joke on what was that, like the first episode four of the podcast years ago, five years ago. How many people are actually going to listen to us, right?

and I got told by quite a few people that last week I was yelling when the Oilers were down 3-0. So they were trying to tell me my mic was higher than everybody else. I'm like, I don't know. I was pretty electric. I was ready to be in loud? When does that happen? Either way, thanks for hopping in here. Week by week, we found a way through the NHEL playoffs, had a lot of fun.

The hope is next year we'll do it live, which means we'll have cameras in here, and it'll be live online for people to watch and comment on. And have some fun with special shout out to the Cubs coaching together, Sean and I were, and lost our first game, made some coaching adjustments. Unan baseball. But won our last two games. It was lots of fun this year. Yeah, it was.

Yep. Dustin's out. baseball. Boys came through in the final game, beat the other Kid Scotty team 8, 7 in the final to win the championship. So shout out to the U-13, Kid Scotty 2 team. It did fantastic.

All right. Boys, tell next year or probably closer to the beginning of the, I would think we'd probably do one this year towards the end. But either way, folks, that'll wrap it up for the Brothers Roundtables this year. And no worries, they'll be back next year in full force

hopefully on another Emmington Oiler long playoff run and we'll see if the Calgary Flames can find a way to eke their way in probably not because they, you know, we didn't talk about any of that. All the trades that happened. Lots there.

Till next year.