Shaun Newman Podcast - #673 - Donnie Discerne

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

With over 100 thousand followers on X (Twitter) he’s made a name for himself for covering government corruption, conspiracies and the truther revolution. Now he has changed his handle from Donnie Darkened to Donnie Discerned and talks about the Christianity movement. Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone] – and be sure to let them know you’re an SNP listener.

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Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Donnie discern. So, sir, thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate the interest that you had and having me on and discussing, you know, our ideas and see where we land. I think, you know, this type of conversation is great. Well, one of the things, you know, for, I'm going to have you share a little bit of your story, however that looks for you, you know, as the audience, specifically the people who watch, you know, they're going to notice that there's no video from your side. They're going to notice that, you know, probably Donnie discerned is not your actual name.

But, you know, I started following you on Twitter as Donnie Darkened. And I was following and, you know, like, I, the way I interact with Twitter is not exactly like every single day. I'm just scrolling and hanging off every word to anyone. It's more like you kind of see trends, I guess, and certainly hit some of the news. And you were one of the people I followed. And over time, you know, you started to see some of the things you post it. and oh, that's really interesting, whatever. And then you changed your name.

And as soon as you did it, I was like, this is fascinating. On this side, I've certainly had my own journey. And I was like, I got to, you know, I got to find out a bit more about this. So, you know, I'm leaving out a whole bunch in the weeds. I'll let you tell the story to the audience, however far back you want to go, however much you can divulge. And then I would just love to talk about some of the things, you know, going on right now. So Donnie, you know, wherever you want to start from.

Okay. Yeah, I could share a little bit about my testimony, my journey. Yeah, you said you followed me when I started the account back in 2021, 2021, 2022, probably around then. And I would say that my focus has shifted dramatically since then as I've, you know, the more that I've really studied scripture, that I've really made it a daily task to, you know, work through and try to understand, you know, that the word of. God to the best of my ability. It's really become more apparent to me how actually deceived that I was for a very long time because, you know, I was once very deep in the, you know, in worldly issues like politics and, you know, and, you know, there's nothing wrong with being involved in politics. I don't think that that's an issue. I, I just see how, you know, before there was a spirit of resentment,

anger, bitterness, you know, that was growing inside me through all of the increase of wickedness, which interestingly enough is exactly what Jesus warns about in Matthew chapter 24 in verses 12 and 13. He says that because of the increase of wickedness, the hearts of most grow cold, but the one who endorsed until the end will be saved. And I didn't realize how cold my heart was growing from the hyperfixation on these worldly things. And I wasn't realizing that my eyes weren't set on heavenly things, that our citizenship isn't of this world, but it's in heaven. and heaven is going to come to earth at the point of time,

but that's, you know, Jesus Christ alone has the keys to the kingdom. But anyway, before getting into all this kind of stuff, I want to talk a little bit about, I guess, my upbringing. I was raised, I was raised Roman Catholic. And, you know, it really wasn't until I was about 15 years old, and I went to Catholic school, everything like that. It was about 15 years old where I started to go down the, you know, what I had to call the truther rabbit hole, right?

Where, you know, I started with the movie Zykegeist, right? And it's interesting looking back at it now. But one thing that always puzzled me is that, you know, why is, you know, it's interesting. You know, there's three main points in the movie. There was, you know, the 9-11 truther stuff. There was the, you know, the banking cartel stuff. And then there was Christianity. There was, you know, the red pill that Christianity is a sciop by the elite.

to control and enslave us. And, you know, I, I, that, that, that part always stuck out to me is like, well, you know, this, this doesn't make any sense. If someone is, is learning more and more about the truth, wouldn't their heart naturally gravitate towards scripture, towards, you know, Jesus Christ and his revelation, right, through the revealed, through the revealed word of God? And, you know, I never, I never really thought too much into it, you know, years and years go by, you know, I'm going further and further down the truth or rabbit hole.

And, you know, I'm discovering, you know, everything's alive. We're in this false reality, you know, everything's an illusion. And, you know, the elite, you know, they're the ones controlling everything behind the scenes. And they're the one who are sovereign and all powerful and knowing all these secret spiritual things that have been hidden from us to suppress us and to enslave us. And, you know, what's interesting, like this, you know, what I just said is exactly what is echoed through the truther. matrix awakening that we see happening all over the place through the red pills, right, through which I equate to the modern iteration of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. The fruit that God didn't want Eve to eat, that the serpent tempted her with.

And it was through this secret knowledge of her enslavement that she was, you know, quote unquote, prisoner in the material realm and that Yahweh, you know, God was the tyrant, was the oppressor who was enslaving it and hiding her divine spark from her. hiding the fact that she can be like God, but, you know, but, but, but Yahweh, the controller, the grand conspirator of her prison was hiding this from her. And, you know, the serpent in the occult is seen as the liberator who liberated Eve and Adam from their enslavement, right? And, you know, that that's the whole thing with the occult. It's, you know, Satan, Satan doesn't create anything. He just, you know, he inverts and perverts, you know, a lot of spiritual truths,

right? Like, Jesus liberates us from spiritual bondage, right? When Jesus was talking, to the Pharisees, you know, he talked about how they were slaves. And the Pharisees were, you know, they didn't understand what he was saying. They were probably like, I've never been a slave, you know. But what Jesus was talking about was spiritual bondage and that they, you know, that although they may have been, you know, physically free, the real spiritual bondage that Jesus was pointing to was the bondage of their heart, right? Their hearts were far from him. And, you know, these same, these same natural inclinations of man that, you know, are due to our fallen state, have carried on in these cycles of judgment and, uh, and restoration throughout history. And, you know, when we see,

when we look at the Old Testament, we can see Israel as a spiritual allegory to our, you know, our, our individual and corporate collective, you know, journeys of and, and of, you know, falling, falling, falling away, stumbling, needing God's grace, right? So it's judgment redemption. judgment redemption and you know right now we are witnessing what i believe to be the final judgment cycle that's going to test all those on the earth both jew and gentile uh the jews rejected jesus christ 2 000 years ago uh because you know uh this is uh what's called the revealed mystery of god's plan in ephesians 3 and romans 11 by the apostle paul where he says that god temporarily and partially hardened the jews so that they you know the the the you know the pharisees and all them right right many jews obviously

Jesus was Jewish and, you know, many Jews did end up believing, but, you know, that Israel received a partial hardening until the fullness of the Gentiles comes. And when, you know, and, and through the inclusion of the Gentiles, right, many Jews would be provoked to jealousy to follow in Christ, but many will also be hardened against him. And what's happening is God is testing the Gentiles, seeing who will harden their hearts as, you know, as he hardened Pharaoh's heart at one. point against them to bring judgment upon them to use as vessels of his judgment and instruments of his wrath and this is you know we see this we saw this happen with egypt babylon you know uh uh rome you know assyria you know these these patterns these cycles of judgment and restoration are

ongoing until christ returns and you know i i i didn't even i don't know if we know if we got really into your spiritual beliefs i don't know too too much well sure uh i'll i'll i'll I'll fill you in on some of it. You know, when you talk about the truth or rabbit hole, you know, mine started in 2020, essentially. You know, like I was doing this podcast, started in 2019, Donnie. And, you know, it started pretty humbly. You know, I just started interviewing some community members up here in Canada. So, you know, I was interviewing sports, athlete figures, hockey,

hockey players mainly and and had some some relative success at doing that. And had brought on a lot of across, uh, you know, some names across Canada and was really, uh, making strides there. And then, you know, of course, COVID happens and I had a young family. And at the start,

I was kind of like, you know, terrified. I, you know, I was like, holy crap, like, you know, better try and lock the women and children up and make sure they, you know, they don't, uh, get this dangerous disease.

And at the time I was working in the oil, field as well so I was doing this part-time and you know as events started to play out you know like you're using your eyes and you were looking around and realizing at a second everyone's not dying you know and then you know you started to look at the stats and started to be like this doesn't make any sense why does this not make any sense and you know my red pill or my my you know like starting to go down the rabbit hole was what they were saying on TV didn't matter. match up to what was happening in real life. And I had this show and I, you know, decided it took me a full year. But in 2021, you know, by this time in Canada and Alberta, and actually, Donnie,

I don't know if you ever say where you're, where you're at, but not that it matters. I just don't know how familiar you are with Alberta. But in Alberta, you know, like our small rural communities, we started meeting in bull barns and old farmhouses and halls and, and just started discussing things. because nobody knew what the heck was going on. And I just kind of made the point of like, I can bring on some doctors and start talking. I had this, you know,

this channel. And so that's what I did. I just started talking to people and watch people lose their minds and on and on and on. It went. And it culminated in an Ottawa. I went to the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa and was there. And there I witnessed what I would consider spiritual warfare. Now,

at the time, I didn't know that. I was about as naive about freedom convoy and spiritual warfare as I was back in 2020 on you know like them shutting down the world you know I had no idea what was going on I just remember thinking in Ottawa like people are losing their minds at an incredible rate right now what the deuce is happening so you know that's two years ago now and along that way like so many people who go down the the truth path it leads you towards realizing there's more than what meets the eye and so you know I I was you know this is a long

way of telling the story, but I was confronted by a series of different things. And the one where I planted my flag or dug down and hit the rock would be the Bible. And so when I, when I saw you start discussing it, I was like, oh yeah, this makes complete sense. Which doesn't make sense to me is why down the truth rabbit hole, I don't know if there's three factions. I'd be curious your thoughts on this. But it seems like there's one faction where everything. leads to God. So it doesn't matter which one you pick, the Bible, you know, frig yoga or kundalini or something like that. You know, First Nations, sweat lodges, you know, I'm but I'm butchering all this, but you kind of get the point. All of it leads to the same thing.

Then there's, then to me, there, there was Christianity. And then the other one was this idea that collectively were all gods or or you know this individual sense that once you wake up enough you realize the power we each have and that we're all gods. And so I guess where I sit is I'm Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. A year ago saying that online, I probably wouldn't have never aired it. But you know, the longer this goes on and on and on, all I see is spiritual warfare. I just see it everywhere. And if you don't see it, you're probably wondering what on earth is going on. And the fact you changed your handle and started talking about is what drew me to bring you on.

I was like, here's a guy that I think can probably talk about some things that I want to talk about. And it's starting to see things similar to me. And I don't know why that is. And one of the things I admire about you is how well you can rattle off the Bible and scripture and tie things together. like, oh, that's, to me, that's fascinating. But there's a whole bunch of people in the truth side of things that are hitting the same point at the same time. Yeah.

So I definitely want to respond to a lot of things. So you mentioned about the, you know, the lockdowns and, you know, what happened in 2020. I don't know what if I'm, I don't know what the censorship is. Oh, fire away. Yeah. Yeah. So with the COVID lockdowns and everything, you know, it's very interesting, you know, seeing how everything played out and how it's even still playing out today. And what we're seeing

happening is interesting. You mentioned that you kind of went down that rabbit hole, right, of the truth behind COVID. And that seems to be exactly the trajectory of what's unfolding right now. All the lies about COVID in 2020, the lockdowns, the jab, you know, the virus, quote unquote, you know, China, all these things. They're all slowly, slow and slowly coming out. And what's the conclusion that people are coming into? The people are coming to the conclusion that we've been lied to or being lied to by the elite, by the ruling class, by the globalist elite, by whoever it is, right? And that we need to expose and dismantle and destroy them. We need to unite together, put aside our spiritual differences, put our, put aside any kind of

whatever, and unite together to, you know, to take them down, to overthrow them. And, you know, you talked about how there's like different, it seems to be different factions of like, of where you can go after taking the red pill. And like, I would say this, like, you mentioned about spiritual warfare. And like the version, the version of spiritual warfare that is heavily promoted right now, that's actually always been kind of heavily promoted, is a fleshly one. It's, it's, it masquerades as spiritual warfare, but it's really a war of the flesh, right? Like, Satan at the Grammys or, you know, that kind of stuff gets a lot of attention. It gets a lot of clicks, but that's not what I think it is. Right, right, right. Like, it looks more like a Star Wars movie,

like the rebellion versus the empire, right? Yeah. It's exciting. It's, you know, it's riveting. You can take part of it. You can be powerful. You can be a warrior, right? You can, right? All this stuff.

All this stuff that really appeals to us, right? But the true spiritual warfare, as described in scripture, is, is more so an internal battle against our flesh, right? It's a daily struggle of overcoming the flesh by the spirit and the temptations of the flesh that are laid before us by Satan. And even Satan's deceptions and schemes are unwittingly. playing into God's sovereign hand who uses even his deception to separate the wheat from the chap, right? And so what we need to, like, well, a lot of people forget about everything that's unfolding.

You know, they see everything, they see the left, you know, rising and they see the globalists, and they see all this stuff. And it's very easy to get the impression that we're being defeated. It's very easy to get the impression that, you know, that things are going sideways, right? Or that God has lost control somehow or that he's not really completely. sovereign or something like that. But the reality is, I mean, think about the crucifixion of Jesus, right? It, you know, what it taught is that God's greatest victories are won through, you know, apparent defeats, right? His greatest victory was disguised as defeat, right? When he was hung on

the cross, mocked, scorned, and pierced, you know, a lot of the, his followers started to lose faith, right? They couldn't understand, you know, why the son of God would be put to death. right in such a gruesome awful way they thought maybe you know they started to lose faith but that but you know god teaches us that it is through those trials that are that our faith is truly forged and you know nobody not even the rulers of darkness understood why jesus christ had to die on the cross you know first corinthian says if they had understood it they would not have crucified him right so if even satan you know is is a pawn in god's hand imagine how much more the human elite are pawns in God's sovereign hand, right? And that all of these moving parts are ultimately setting the stage for

the final tribulation, which, like I said, has occurred cyclically on smaller scales throughout history. You think about what happened in Germany, right? You know, in the Weimar Republic, there was, you know, widespread moral decay and, you know, a lot of the, you know, sexual revolution things that we see, you know, unfolding even in today's context. And if you look at the, you know, who was behind that? It all leads down the rabbit hole. So you could, you know, Germany had this awakening, right? They had this awakening of, you know, uncovering and revealing the source behind the, you know, the crimes against the nation and against humanity. And of course, where did that lead? You know, it led to this self-righteous, prideful, you know, counterfeit Christianity that rose up, you know,

claiming Christ is king, claiming, you know, that we're here to take the kingdom of God, right? The thousand-year Reich, right? But it's a counterfeit. And that's what the Beast's kingdom really is. The New World Order is not the real Antichrist's kingdom. The New World Order is a clever diversion and red herring, an obvious enemy that the world can identify and unite against without the discernment of the Holy Spirit, right? because it doesn't take the discernment of the Holy Spirit to identify the New World Order as evil and as tyrannical, right? I mean, you look at people like David Ike. You look at people like, you know, Jordan Maxwell. All these people are severely antichrist. They believe in a false, occult, Gnostic Christ that is not the Son of God.

That is not the Jesus Christ talked about in the Holy Scriptures. You know, and that's exactly, you know, that's Satan masquerading as an angel of light, trying to be like the most high. And he's using these people, these truth are leaders, these great awakening leaders, in order to get Christians yoked in this flesh-led rebellion for our lives and this perishing world. And this is exactly why in 1st Thessalonian chapter 5, verse 3, it says that the world, you know, under this strong delusion will be saying peace and safety right before Christ returns to bring sudden destruction upon them, right? in the same way that the ancient Israelites, when Moses went up to Mount Sinai to receive the Mosaic law, you know, and he was up there for multiple days, the ancient, the Israelites started to say, you know, he's not coming back, you know, it's over. We have to, we have to take matters into our own hands. He's not returning. You know, we have to, we have to rise up. And what did they do? They built a golden calf and, and, you know, they partied and they celebrated. And they said, this be the God that liberate. That liberate. us liberated us from Egypt, right? And what happened when Moses came back and saw the Israelites neck deep in golden cap idolatry, you know, which by the way, golden cap idolatry looks,

you know, it looks a lot like, it looked a lot like, you know, Judaism. It looked a lot like what, you know, what Moses and and the high, the priests and what God had instructed them to do, but it was a counterfeit, right? The golden cap was like, you know, a very innocent, holy looking calf, you know, which is distinct from, let's say, like, Val, right, who's like an overtly wicked-looking cow. But they're both cows. They're both calf, right? They're both just one's more innocent looking and one's more obvious than a wickedly in appearance. And when Moses came back and he saw them neck deep in this golden calf idolatry, what did he do? He ordered the Levites to kill 3,000 men. And in the same way, this is a typology for when, you know, just just as Moses went up to, you know,

ascended to the mountain to be with the father and to return to lead, you know, the Israelites into the promised land. It's a typology of Jesus ascending into heaven to be with the father. He's now serving as the high priest at the right hand of the father interceding on our behalf. And, you know, at the appointed time, he will, you know, he will return and he's going to come back to a world, neck deep and golden cap idolatry, you know, crying peace and safety. And they're going to be, you know, you know, yoked with the beast, yoked with this, this desperate, you know,

clinging onto our lives in this perishing world. And, you know, there's going to be a lot of killings. There's going to be wrath. There's going to be great wrath that's poured upon the whole earth. You know, a lot of people don't understand the, you know,

the sudden destruction that comes. It's not the Antichrist who comes and brings sudden destruction. The antichrist brings, you know, a false peace. He brings, you know, a counterfeit kingdom of God on earth.

But it's Jesus Christ who, comes and brings destruction on those nations. And, and, and what's happening with this great awakening, just like how Alice Bailey, mother of the new age and founder of Lucifer's trust, which she later renamed to Lucifer's trust, because it was a little bit too on the nose, you know, she, she is, she, she talked about how, you know, the, the, the brotherhood of mankind, the white magic brotherhood of man must rise up and expose the black magicians who put a veil over the minds of the masses, you know, hiding us, you know, hiding our, the spiritual reality of our divinity under the blanket of a false reality of an illusion that we must transcend, right?

Like, it's exactly like escaping the Matrix. It's exactly like taking the red pill and escaping the Matrix. It's all using the same framework. You look at the movie The Matrix, even, the authors or the founders of that, the Wachowski brothers and now, I think they're sisters now, you know, But, crazy enough. But if you look at, you know, the Matrix film and even in their film, Viver Bendetta, these films are echoing these, you know, Gnostic concepts that were around since, you know, the second century. And, you know, a lot of this stuff really wasn't very highly available, you know, when the Matrix films came out. And what's interesting is, you know, I was watching Jay Weider talk about this, another, you know, another deceiver. But he mentioned how, you know, these Gnostic ideas weren't really.

around, you know, they only reemerged after the Matrix films released. And what the Matrix films did is it repackaged these Gnostic ideas in a very easy to understand popular culture references like, you know, Red Pill, Matrix, Escape the Matrix, you know, things like that. You know, Neo is an allegory for mankind, the awakened savior who takes the red pill, right, who takes the fruit of the tree of knowledge and awakens to his enslavement in the material world. and the need for him to seek his inner divinity and power in order to transcend the matrix, transcend the illusion, just like Helena Bovowski talked about, and ushering in the Zion, right? I think in the show or in the movie, they actually call it Zion, right?

Enter the, you know, to usher in the kingdom of heaven on earth, right? But in Revelation chapter 1, verse 18, we know that Jesus Christ alone holds the keys to the kingdom, and things must play out first before, you know, the appointed time comes. that's what the Antichrist's kingdom is. It's a counterfeit of all the things that Christ does in the same way that Christ returns. And there's the revelation. Revelation means to a revealing, right? And when Christ returns, all things will be revealed and he will be unveiled as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. Well, you know, Satan in the same way is going to have a counterfeit version of, you know, of a revelation, you know, a disclosure of information, not pointing to the, you know, to our sinfulness in God's glory, but rather pointing to our, oppression, our victimhood, and our hidden potential, our hidden inner divinity that we can be like God, that we can do the things Christ does collectively. And that's ultimately what this, what the awakening was that Alice Bailey talked about that must occur to shift us from the Piscian age to the age of Aquarius, the Aquarian age. And that's exactly what, if you look at a lot of these, you know,

great awakening. I watch a lot of the reawakening tour people, you know, they promote like false prophets like Kim Klement and about a whole host of other deceivers and what's interesting is one of the guys I can't recall his name but he's a very popular one he was talking about how you know we need to we need to go back to Eden we need to we need to unite ourselves you know forget you know put aside our spiritual dogmas right that's a very demonized word they use dogma and that you know when they start saying stuff like that they're typically you know setting laying the foundations to attack the Bible to attack scripture as God's word, and how we as humanity need to take back the Garden of Eden, take back the kingdom of God, the Atlantean age. This is all the same language that Alice Bailey

used. This is all the same language that Helena Bovotsky, you know, all of the New Age channelers and occult practitioners used. And what's interesting about all these occult practitioners is they all engage in something called channeling. And channeling is when they become conduits to spirits, you know, to carry on teachings and messages. And, you know, this is strictly prohibited in in in you know from a biblical perspective even in the old testament and the reason for that is because what you know demons what lying spirits will do is they'll masquerade as angels of light they'll masquerade as benevolent beings and these same entities that that you know all of these new age shrewers channel even david ike included a lot of people don't know that david ike

has engaged in channeling in multiple times in his life and gets his teachings from these entities right i called them out on a space that i could you know let me link that later but um what did you say oh he said oh we're all consciousness and we're all having different experiences but you know uh the the demiurge is is holding our souls captive in this material realm it's like he didn't it's like he didn't really understand like what i was saying you know like He didn't really address, he didn't address, you know, directly what I was saying, but his response confirmed what I'm, what I was saying, if that makes sense. But anyway, it's interesting is all these people, they all channel these, you know,

they all either channel these lying spirits or they get their teachings from lying spirits. They get their teachings from, we can trace what they're saying and connected to the, directly to the mouths of like channeled entities like raw, you know, Arctuius, the robes, you know, all of these different channeled entities. And we have all this stuff available for us to read and to see how what these New Age truthers are saying, what they're leading us into is this awakening. You know, Marina Abramovic, you know, she was talking about how, you know, Donald Trump and how this, you know, how he's, you know, a very important figure in awakening humanity, in waking us up. And she said that she got this from a group of shamans who were collective, who were practicing something called collective dreaming. And that's when, you know, they all get together and they, you know, I guess they dream the same dream, right?

Which is definitely the work of some sort of, you know, demonic spiritual force, right? You know, a cult, occult and esoteric stuff. And, you know, if you really take a step back, you put your, you, and I had to do this too, and it was really hard. It's the hardest thing to do is put aside our cognitive dissonance, right? Because, you know, it's easy to, it's easy to discern the New World Order. Like it's so easy. Like, oh, it's so easy to come to the conclusion, oh, this is good versus evil and the evil side is Satan and the good side is with God. That's like such, it's such a surface level observation to make.

But when we actually examine further and we recognize that Satan masquerades as an angel of light, as do his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. And that in the, and you know, in Matthew 24, verse 24, Jesus warns of a deception so powerful that it would even deceive the elect. if possible. And, you know, and the great reset, New World Order, Klaus Schwab, all that stuff, is not a deception that is even qualified as one that could deceive even the elective if it were possible. And, you know, and it doesn't take the Holy Spirit to, you know, to, to, to join, you know, all these people who are all, you know, slowly yoking and locking arms with each other, forming these, you know, it's forming these unholy spiritual alliances with our enemies, exactly like what happened in, you know, with King Ahaz, who out of the fear of his worldly

circumstances and a looming invasion of Assyria, you know, he yoke, you know, he directly defied God's command of not, you know, of not yoking with their, their spiritual enemies, their neighbors, but out of the fear of the Syrian invasion, out of the fear of what could happen to them in this world, in this life, in this flesh, they defied God and they compromised their faith and because of that, you know, God was testing them to see God used the Assyria as instruments of his judgment. He uses, and that's the thing, we have to remember God's sovereignty and all this and we have to understand what tribulation means. You know, tribulation is about testing and, you know, and it's through these tests that

God is separating those who truly follow his footsteps and, you know, are separate from the world, but carry out his commands of living out the gospel and not sharing in the world's fears and anxieties, as warned about in Isaiah 8 and so many other passages, versus those, the goats, right, the chaff who, you know, out of fear of losing their earthly paradise, you know, join with the world. They're, you know, they're locking arms with their spiritual enemies. They're not giving, they're not giving them the gospel. They're not calling out the wickedness, the subtle false light wickedness that is coming up from under their noses, but they're always. always pointing outwardly at their political enemies, right? They're always pointing outwardly at

evil, but they're never pointing inwardly. And that's what the true spiritual battle is. It's about, again, it's about self-inspection and reflection and drawing others into the same thing. You know, like, you know, it talks about how, I think it's in Second Timothy or maybe First Timothy. It says, you know, live so righteously among the pagans that though they may accuse you of evil, they may see your good works and glorify God on the day he comes to visit us. And that's exactly, you know, that's exactly the type of mentality we need to, that we need to have. You know, look at Daniel who was serving under King Nebuchadnezzar, right? You know, it was, it was Daniel's steadfast faith.

Daniel didn't rebel against, you know, the king, you know, in a way that was appeasing to the flesh, right? He didn't lash out. He, it wasn't about resistance, but it was more so about persistence in following God. And that's the model that we need to exemplify. That through persistence of following God and his way and submitting to him, we will overcome the tempt and temptations of the flesh. But that's not what people are doing. People are going into the flesh.

There's a spirit of anger, bitterness, pride that is stirring in response. And this is exactly what Jesus warned about. You know, the increase of wickedness, in response to that, people's hearts are growing cold. And the people pay close attention to the people who are allowing their hearts to grow colder and colder and who are allowing themselves to grow hardened. These are going to be the very same people that God is going to use as instruments of his wrath, as tools of his judgment against the harlot, against mystery Babylon, the great city that reigns over the kings of the earth, where also our Lord was crucified. And this points to none other than apostate Jerusalem, which is going to go through one more final judgment cycle of judgment. Just like we've seen all throughout scripture, we've seen the cycles of judgment and redemption.

And, you know, and the apostle Paul talks about this mystery where, you know, that God is going to raise up the nations against Jerusalem to attack and besiege her. and you know and through this through this judgment our faithful remnant will recognize their error and and the spiritual blindness will come off of them and there's and and you know the the revelation the revealing will happen and they will declare Christ's Lord echoing Jesus's own prophecy in Matthew 23 verse 39 where he says Jerusalem you will not see me again until you declare blessed is the name of the Lord. And this was, and, you know, and this was referring to the prophecies in Zechariah and,

and Jeremiah and other places where, you know, through the, you know, God using the hardened Gentiles, like he hardened Pharaoh's hearts as instruments of judgment against her, through this trial, through this tribulation, through what's called this eschatological event called Jacob's trouble, you know, people, you know, they, you know, a remnant will declare him as God. And what this awakening is doing is it's, it's laying, it's setting the stage in all of our hearts. You know, this isn't some, this isn't some government conspiracy, right? If anyone is pointing to you, you know, if anyone is telling you they have the truth and do nothing but point to government conspiracies, those people are unwittingly carrying out the work of Alice Bailey, the work of the

white magic brotherhood to pierce the cosmic veil of the black magic, of the darkness, of the obvious evil that everyone's going to awaken to and unite against because this because Satan's grand spiritual deception is not a government conspiracy. It is a spiritual deception and our hearts are the target. So and that's why Jesus says to guard our hearts in these times. He doesn't say, you know, he doesn't say, you know, through through the knowledge of the world or through, you know, global conspiracies, no, or through or through unveiling the conspiracies of the elite. No, he says by guarding your heart. And that's, you know, that's a lot. And that's, you know, That's the real test.

That's the real tribulation. And I didn't understand this for so long. I've spent so much of my life, most of my life, going down these rabbit holes, learning these government conspiracies. And all it did was harden my heart further and further and get me mixed up and unequally yoked with my spirit, with people that were leading me away from the truth, which is that Satan is trying to lead us away from sincere devotion to God, plain and simple. And this awakening, this red pill movement, that, that, you know, this anti-New World Order

movement that's rising and becoming more and more mainstream by the day. If you think about the word deep state, right, 10 years ago, it was like, you know, saying deep state, you were like a tinfoil hat guy. Now they say it on Jesse Waters. Now they say it on Fox News. Now my mom talks about it, you know, she watches Fox News, right? But like 10 years ago, when I was talking about 9-11 and all this stuff, she said, That was crazy.

But now she's talking about 9-11 and all this because she watches Tucker Carlson and all. But do you see how the trajectory, it's a gradual unveiling. It's a gradual revelation. And this is the counterfeit revelation, the exciting revelation that paints us in a good light and points outwardly at evil, making us feel prideful, self-righteous, preparing our hearts for this deception. Does that make sense? Or what do you think? well there you you rattled off a lot um yeah sorry it's a lot it took me years and that's the thing it took me years to truly understand this so it's like to you know a lot of people say oh you go on and on and it's like

yeah but like it's you know i can't explain what took me years to learn in about like five minutes you know no that's honestly don't that's fair i'm i'm gonna what i'm gonna try and do is i'm gonna try and slow you down and I'm going to see if I can ask some really stupid, simple questions. And we'll just see if that can give a little bit more of a full picture to what you're talking about. There's three things in total that I, you know, like, just, I'm like, I don't even know who that is. I know who David I is, but I didn't know who David I was until, I don't know two years ago maybe and so you know it's kind of like listening to uh uh info wars and hearing alex jones you know before covid happened on on jo rogan i'd listen to i go this is

this is freaking wild now Alex Jones when you talk about incrementally becoming more accepted Alex Jones is more accepted now than i think he's ever been right like people uh whether they listened to them before or not. Now people are listening to them and, and, because they just want to hear something that isn't vaccines are safe and effective, you know, because nobody, nobody trusts the media to allow them to, you know, hear and, and start to discern what, what is actually going on. But I guess one of the names you, you rattled off in there was Alice Bailey. You mentioned it multiple times. I'm like, I don't even know who the heck that is. Who is Alice Bailey? Let's start there. Yeah. So Alice Bailey, she is known as the mother of the new age.

She was a student of Theosophy, which was founded by Madame Helena Blavatsky, who founded the Theosophical Society. And Theosophy is the philosophy, the spiritual philosophy, that there's truth to every faith, and that we need to see the truth in each one to transcend the illusion of that. the material world and the elite, you know, rulers of the world, the black magicians, right? And, you know, we're talking about, you know, Alice Bailey. A lot of people, you know, misrepresent her and kind of lump her in with like the New World Order, lump her in with, you know, a lot of stuff. But if you actually read her work, you know, there's, you know, her books, externalization of the hierarchies or a treatise on white magic, you know, all of her

teachings, they're exactly the same things that David Ike is saying. They're exactly the same things that Jordan Maxwell is saying. They're exactly the same things that Billy Carson is saying. They're exactly the same things that Elizabeth Clare Prophet is saying. And what's the commonality between all these people? All these people are yoked in this new age spirituality and have engaged in this, you know, communication with these spirits. And, you know, a lot of people like think, you know, why would these demons, these lying spirits be trying to, you know, to wake up humanity to the human elite, right? You know, why would they be trying to get humanity to unite together,

to cast aside, you know, you know, worry about their spiritual beliefs really later, but just, you know, for right now, awaken humanity to their enslavement and to essentially transcend the illusion of the material world, which by the way is Gnosticism, right? This, you know, these ideas, you know, have been echoed throughout time and have continued in, Gnosticism. You know, if you think about like Plato's, Plato's cave, which is essentially like a picture of a proto-nosticism, right, where we're in the spiritual darkness and that there are people who are, you know, controlling our reality, who are, who are giving us a fake false reality and that most people are in darkness, but once they realize, once they wake up to the false

reality that is being shown to us, that everything's a lie, you know, that that, that, that everything we've been told is a lie, then we can transcend the reality. We can awaken to the knowledge, right, the knowledge, like exactly the fruit of the tree of knowledge of all things, right? To this knowledge of our enslavement, we can transcend and, you know, reach up higher levels of consciousness, reach the next level, the next stage of human evolution. And that's exactly what's playing out right now through the truth or movement, through the great awakening movement, through the anti new world order movement through this you know through the exposure you know the mainstream the more and more popular this this exposure of the new world order is getting it's giving

it's it's it's giving validity and power to a lot of these deceivers who these spiritual deceivers who you know say you know they they hide truth uh they hide lies within truth right and that's the most that's the most powerful form of deception right is is truth mixed with lies. And that's always been how Satan operates. You know, 99 truth to sell one lie. And that's exactly what this rabbit hole awakening, you know, truther stuff. You know, that's what this all is. It's a cleverly, you know, it's a cleverly disguised lucifer and rabbit hole that goes into, you know, a false light, right? Because you're not going to find Jesus going down a rabbit hole, right? You know, Jesus isn't down there, you know. And a lot of people will say, and a lot of people will say in response to me,

well you know i found jesus through you know all this stuff and it's like i said the same thing i would say the same thing to myself that i found jesus through the conspiracy stuff through you know learning about the the matrix and the and the global elites and all this but really i was deceiving myself i was deceiving myself because again i i claimed you know i claimed christ with my lips but my heart was growing more and more hardened i was doing things that were contrary to god's will i was yoking with, you know, these deceivers, you know, these new age people, the people who are antichrist, right? People who fundamentally oppose Christ and, you know, mistakenly letting them lead me down this path. And that's what's happening right now. People don't realize it yet,

but they're being led down a path. There's a reason why all this is happening, right? There's a reason why this, the truth is becoming mainstream. And there's a reason why, you know, most people don't trust the government, right? This is just a fact. Most people don't trust the media, right? And it's this and I'm not saying that that in itself is wrong, but Satan is using this distrust for the current system in order to rally the world behind his cause to elevate humanity as, you know, the collective Christ, as as God, right? And that's and that's always been Satan scheme. And God in his sovereignty is allowing this to play out. not only to reveal genuine hearts, but also for eschatological purposes, because at the end of the rabbit hole, what is the last step of the rabbit hole?

The last step of the rabbit hole is finding out the controllers behind the matrix, who they are, and they're God, right? And that's where, you know, you talk about David I, you talk about Gnosis and talk about Alice Bailey, you talk about all these people. Who do they all believe that is? Alice Bailey in her book specifically described the Zionists as the black magicians, as the black hats who were controlling our false reality. And that through exposing the Zionists and their God, Yahweh, the God of the Bible, and through rebelling against him, that we would usher in the kingdom of God on Earth. And Alice Bailey said that in order to do this, that they weren't going to work against the church, but rather through the church. And this is why dominionism has been so, you know, looked upon more favorably, especially in the face of all the overt wickedness. So the left, the great reset guys, the globalists, they're all being used as pawns, right?

The New World Order and their entire, you know, pyramid structure, you know, that is all, you know, they're being used. used as pawns in order to in order to endeavor a reaction from humanity from you know uh followers of god into you know this this self-righteous zealous rebellion and it's going to culminate in an in a in a global invasion of jerusalem of apostate jerusalem which you know where have christians gone historically to take the kingdom of god jerusalem right that's what the crusades were all about Again, these are cyclical events that happen over and over. Look what happened with Germany, right? When Germany awakened to the matrix that they were in, when they awakened to who was behind,

you know, all of these things that were plaguing German society, you know, who was the fingerpoint? You know, who did they discover? Who was it, right? And it was spiritually blinded and apostate, you know, Zionists, you know, and this is exactly, you know, what is happening again. And it's all going to culminate in a final judgment cycle. And in the same way, God used even Hitler's destruction and rebellion and wickedness in order to further his prophetic plan for the formation of the state of Israel, right?

Because God says in Zechariah that he's going to gather, you know, he's going to gather all the descendants of Abraham back to their land in order to turn his hand against them, right, in order to judge them one final time. And that's where it talks about how, you know, through this, they will look upon the one they pierce. and they will mourn for his name. So through the destruction that is brewing, through the great awakening in order to, you know, in order to awaken to the black magicians, to the Zionists, to the Jews ultimately, and their God, Yahweh, the God of Israel, the God of the Bible.

And that's why so many of the people of the truthers who are leading this awakening movement believe that the God of the Bible is Satan, the Demiurge, who created this false reality and is keeping us prisoner in here, right? just like Adam and Eve, just like the serpent, the serpent's lie, right? And that's the reason why, you know, they say that, you know, the Bible is a tool of the Zionist elite to control us. That's why Christianity, that's exactly why zeitgeist, you know, going back to the very beginning of my rabbit hole journey, right? The first, the very first thing, you know, the real deception has been right in front of me the entire time. The real deception is to get you to fall away from the living God. It's, you know, the true spiritual battle. is not a fight for this world. Satan is already the God of this world. He doesn't need to fight for it. His his deceptions are not about political, worldly control. They are about getting you to fall away

from the living God and into this flesh-led rebellion and awakening of society in order to create a counterfeit version of God's kingdom. And through this, the saints are going, the truly faithful in Christ are going to be persecuted because they're going to be seen as traitors to humanity. They're going to be seen as the problem. They're going to be seen as holding humanity back from reaching its next step of holding humanity back from this peace and safety that everybody, you know, desires so much, right? And, and, you know, in John 16, verse two, what does it say? It says that, you know, they will even kill the saints believing they are carrying out God's will. So, you know, does that sound like a leftist, secular,

Great Reset, Globo-Homo thing? No, these people are going to be killing their brothers and sisters, you know, delivering them to be killed. It says our own family members, our mothers, our brothers, our sons, our daughters are going to be delivering us to be killed because we're going to be seen as part of the problem, right? And this is the tragic irony of what unfolds in the last days. Everyone's talking about FEMA camps. Everyone's talking about, you know, what the government's going to do, you know, and and that it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's the elite versus the people. It's the elite versus the people. It's God versus Satan. But it's not God versus Satan because they're not equals. You know, Satan can only do what God allows him to do because he is truly sovereign. And it is his will alone that dictates the course of human events in history. But, you know, and again, even Satan is but a pawn in God's sovereign hand.

Right. So this whole idea about in the end, God wins is such a common catchphrase I hear so many people say. In the end, God wins. It's like, no. God has already. want, right? And we can reign with him and we can overcome the, you know, the trials of this world by clinging on to him, by following he steadfastly in his commands and by enduring until the end, right? That's why Revelation always talks about here's the patience of the saints. Here's the one that

cares for the one that keep the commandments of God. You know, that's why it talks about how the saints overcome the beast by not loving their lives. It doesn't say the saints overcome the beast by, you know, awakening to global conspiracies and, you know, forming alliances. No, it says that the saints overcome the beast by not loving their lives unto death. And that is exactly the tribulations that we see happening on reoccurring scales. Look back at the early church. What happened? You know, the early Christians sang songs of praise as they were delivered to be persecuted and killed

because they understood that their prize, their reward was the crown of life. something that could not you know something that trumps anything on this world that can be offered to us right peace safety prosperity you know the kingdom of god whatever the case may be and and this is exactly the deception that is playing out right now it is not a government uh sciop it is not a government conspiracy they are pawns the government doesn't understand this but the spirit the spiritual beings you know do right and even satan in this delusion again doesn't fully understand this again going back the First Corinthians. This is the rulers of darkness did not understand these things or else they wouldn't have crucified Christ. And in the same way, all of these, all of these groups, all of these

different people, whether they be New Age truthers, whether it be Christian nationalists or dominionists or the NAR or Muslims or Gnostics or whoever the case is, you know, they're all, they're all slowly banding together against the common enemy, which is the elite, right? The current power structures, right and when and when the the veil is torn right and when the the wizard behind the the veil is shown right the wizard of Oz who's it going to who's who's who's going to be behind it it's going to be it's going to be the Zionist it's going to be the Jews and that's and and and and you know and that's the whole thing is like it's it's going to get people to harden their hearts against the Jews and in in this you know right self-righteous uh misguided

holy war against Jerusalem, just like Zechariah 14 prophesized, and just like, you know, both Old and New Testament talk about Jacob's Troubled. And it's going to, and, you know, that's what it's going to be. It's going to be, you know, we're taking the kingdom of God by force. That's why if you read like Alex Jones book, you know, the Great Awakening and, you know, the new great American Renaissance or the book by Melissa Redpill, you know, the founder of the Freedom Force Battalion movement, you know, it says, it says, you know, QAnon and the, and the 1,000 year of peace, you know, destroying the New World Order and taking the kingdom of Christ by force.

This is what's coming. It's not the New World Order. That is fear mongering. That is fear pushing. That's all if you, and if you look at all these influencers, that's all they're pushing. They're pushing constant fear. Fear for your life. Fear for your country.

Fear for your family. Fear for this. Fear for that. And it's exactly, you know, God says that fear doesn't come from the Lord. Fear does not come from the Lord. You either fear the world and you fear man or you fear the Lord, but you can't have both. In the same way, you can't have two masters. You cannot fear the world and fear God, right?

Because we understand that God is sovereign, right? When Job lost all of his things, when he lost his family, his possessions, everything he had on this earth, how did he overcome his tribulation by calling to mind God's sovereignty and maintaining his fear of him? He said, the Lord gives and the Lord takes away. He didn't say, you know, I'm under attack by a globalist elite or I'm under attack by Satan or demonic forces. No, he didn't say that. He humbled himself and he didn't look at himself as a victim. He said, the Lord gives and the Lord takes away.

And that is a picture. That is a blueprint for how we as the saints are called to overcome not only daily tribulations, but the tribulations to come. Right. What people don't understand about the Bible is that we're not supposed to read it in isolated parts like, oh, this part says this, this part says that. No, we're supposed to look at the overall narrative of scripture and these repeated themes show us over and over and over again. You know, theology and eschatology are deeply interconnected. It's not like there's theology on one hand and on the other side of eschatology. No, these two things are deeply connected.

The Bible forms one cohesive, powerful message and instruction manual of how to overcome this perishing world and the temptations of the devil and our fallen sinful nature. But sorry, I'm getting a little fired up here. Well, I was going to just add in 2. Timothy says, 2 Timothy 1.7 says, for God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. I would say, you know, just as you pointed out, you know, whatever dark time comes on the planet, you know, God can use that for his will, you know, to, to create the best possible outcomes out of that. And one of the things I see, you know, because I hear, I think what I'm hearing,

Donnie is like, you're like, people are being led astray, even if they think they're being led to Jesus. And, or to Christianity or to both, you know, you get, anyways, it doesn't matter. And in my circle, I see it differently. I, I agree with everything you're saying. Like, for the most part, I'm like, yeah, I think a lot of people are, you know, I ran into a lot of people at the start that just, you know, almost had a bingo card, if you would. And on that bingo card was like, okay, I'm going to take a trip here and then I'm going to get baptized and I'm going to say, I believe in Jesus and then I'm going to cross out a couple more things on the old spiritual. So, you know, I'm just covered. It's just, you know, it's the game of bingo and I'm going to cover the board and we're going to, we're going to go. Where I sit, I think, um, I don't know. Maybe this is just me. Maybe where I sit. Once I started reading the Bible, if people don't push me back to the Bible, I stop listening to them. Because I'm like, yeah, I'm going back to the Bible.

In there is where I found the answers. It's where things have begun to make sense. And once again, that's what you're talking about. And I find it to be the best code to decipher if someone, somebody is full of shit or is starting to talk some truth. And where I sit, you know, as you dig deeper into the Bible, I didn't fully understand, you know, and I'll butcher the scripture, because I'm definitely not like, you know, I'm not going to rattle it off that good.

But, you know, the more you read, you know, and the closer you draw to him, the more he'll ask. I didn't understand that. And, you know, it's only been, I don't know, has it been a year, folks? Something about that long. I'm beginning to understand it. And I'm like, oh, this is going to be interesting, right? Because, you know, just to not cheat on your wife is, I use this, you know,

I'm happily married, to not cheat on your wife is certainly, you know, pretty self-evident. You know, when you talk about self-evident things, it's like, well, that's about a self-evident it gets. But I was reading this morning that even looking, you know, Jesus says, even looking at another woman is adultery. like that's okay right like the more you read the the tougher you're going to have to work on yourself and that is you know we want to go and hammer on uh all the things in the world that are making the world what it is and uh you know if you come to the single conclusion if we all just picked up the bible started reading it um chances are you're gonna you're gonna start to see some things

and be like holy crap why didn't i pick this up forever ago and it's going to force you, the more you read and the more you draw it into your side, to realize, you know, basically what Jesus is talking about is working on yourself, you know, Ephesians 6. I mean, like, honestly, it's a, we don't fight in flesh and blood. We fight, you know, in spiritual powers. And it's, I think, directed at, you know, what I wrestle with is like, yeah, I want to go racing around the world and try and solve problems.

But the biggest problem is Sean. It's right here and trying to be a better husband, father, community member. And that doesn't sound glamorous. It's actually the complete opposite of glamorous. And the further you go into scripture, and what do you get for that? Well, in end times, I mean, you get eternal life, but society's not going to love it. I feel like that's what you're saying. Maybe I'm not getting it 100% correct.

And you can correct me if you so choose. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and, you know, the whole thing about what, you know, what I'm trying to do here is, you know, I'm not, a lot of people mistake what I'm saying or mistake my aim here as though, like, I'm trying to stop it. I'm trying to stop the Beast Kingdom. It's like, no, that's not the case at all. It's not that I'm trying to stop these events from happening because they're obviously, they're going to happen under God's sovereign will and purpose, right? But what I'm trying to do is do what, you know, God calls us to do in Ezekiel 33. He says, you know, that we are called to be watchmen. And if the watchman says, you know, sees the sword coming and doesn't say anything, then the blood of the law shall be on the watchman's hand. So if we see in our, in our own ranks, in our own communities that we yoke ourselves with, people who fundamentally oppose the gospel, oppose Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament, right? Not as an ascended master and all this stuff that like, you know, a lot of people in the Great Awakening say, you know, if we're yoking ourselves with this, you know, we, you know,

the blood of those who are to seed, you know, and we don't say anything, they're going to be on our hands. Ephesians, you know, 511, you know, says that we are called to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, right? And, you know, so many people think they're doing that just by exposing obvious wickedness, just by exposing, you know, deep state conspiracies and, and, you know, elite. And it's like, no, like, my, my grandmother can discern that. Like, you know, she's, you know, she's up there.

you know there's there's there's just it just it takes no discernment it doesn't take discernment to you know that that's why these spiritually deceived people are believing that they're waking up by discovering global conspiracies by discovering that we're that we're that we're enslaved that's a step of it and that we're the victims no but it's the step but that's the thing this is exactly going back to what jesus talked about with the pharisees the pharisees made the same mistake that you know when when jesus said you are slaves what slavery was he talked about talking about, right? Why did, why were the Pharisees so puzzled by, by the accusation that they were slaves? Because they didn't understand that the bondage that Jesus was talking about wasn't physical.

It wasn't material. It was spiritual. It was the bondage of their own sinful fallen nature. It was the bond and wickedness and deceitfulness inherent within our hearts, right? Because that's where Jesus says evil originates from. You know, when people think about evil, like, especially in the truth or movement, what do they think? They're pointing. They're pointing all over the place. They're pointing at the government. They're pointing at George Soros. They're pointing outward, outward, outward.

And they're overlooking the sin and the seafleness that comes from our own hearts. And that's exactly what people are overlooking. And this red pill, the fruit of the tree of knowledge, because that's what it is. That's what the red pill is. It is the fruit of the tree of knowledge that wakes us up to our enslavement, that wakes us up to our victimhood. right it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's always about pointing at everyone else it's always about taking the our responsibility and shifting it to someone else oh it's not my fault it's it's there it's it's it's it's and it's even god's fault right it's always and that's

exactly what the lie of the serpent in the garden is all about it's about shifting the responsibility that rightfully belongs to man back onto god or back on to some external force and it's like no we are responsible and this this red pill, this fruit of the tree of knowledge, is subconsciously making us the victims. You know, oh, no, humanity's good. No, we're the good guys. We're the good guys.

I understand parts of what you're saying. But, you know, part of the community that, you know, here in Canada stood up to what went on, started with just reading a book, and it wasn't the Bible. It was 12 rules to life. It was Jordan Peterson. And what is Jordan Peterson talk about? That's proving my point.

You see people like Jordan Peterson. You know, they see Jesus Christ as like a moral teacher. But, you know, they're missing the fullness and uniqueness of who Jesus Christ was. You look at Elon Musk, who just the other day talked about Jesus as like a good moral teacher. But it's like he's not like the Bible isn't just some self-help book. You know, the Bible is the God's revealed word to us in order to be reconciled back to him from our fallen state. Right. And the very fact that people.

you know, that people who aren't in Christ, the people who are not in Christ are waking up and standing up. Does that make them right with God? Let's look at the story of King Jahou. You know, Jahou stood up against Jezebel. He threw Jezebel down, right? Jezebel being the wicked, you know, obviously evil queen that brought battle worship, right? And Jahue, who, you know, God anointed him to rise up against her. But if you read the story, if you actually look, he wasn't right with God either, right? He was also, you know, an idolaturer. He was also full of pride and

self-righteousness and and misguided zeal, right? He said, come, see my zeal for the Lord as he struck down his enemies, right? But he didn't understand you know, he continued the golden calf practices that were put in by

Jeroboam and, you know, that mimicked the temple worship in, you know, in Jerusalem. And, you know, it looked like Judaism on the surface. It looked in the same way that, you know, this stuff looks like Christianity. Oh, yeah, these guys are standing up against evil. This has to be a Christian. You know what I mean? So with that logic now, is David Ike Christian? Is David Ike following in Christ? But, but let's go back, let's go back,

let's go back here to the start of 2020. How should one's journey start then? If it isn't by the red pill, if it isn't by, you know, like, it's not about resistance. It's about persistence. It's about persist it's about persisting in God's way despite our physical circumstances just like Daniel showed us just like Jedd back but there's tons of people donnie I know but there's tons of people myself included who wouldn't have picked up the Bible four years ago right like I just I just didn't want to I didn't I grew up in a Christian house I just didn't want to well God uses well I mean if we know the Bible we know that God uses even Satan schemes to bring people to the body God right but that's what I'm pointing out right right but that doesn't mean right but

But just because God can use deception to bring some people to the Lord doesn't make deception good. It doesn't make deception a good thing. That's fair. Just because the awakening is bringing some people to the Lord as God uses all things to do, it doesn't mean that the awakening is of the Lord. Does that make sense? Yeah, certainly. What I'm, I agree with you.

But at the same time, so you're calling out the deception, right? for what it is. And I understand that because you're reading the Bible, you're seeing. And once again, if I'm generalizing, I apologize. I do that from time to time. But when I see it, you're, you're, you're, you're into it. You go, this is the way. These are not the ways, except God uses those to bring them to where you're at. Some people. Yeah, but I mean, but that's the case at all times. Some people. And that's what's bothering you is you're seeing all these movements. You're seeing all these influencers use certain things that means a lot to a healthy chunk of the population for deceitful purposes.

And so you're calling it out. I go, oh, yeah, that makes sense. But like, Jordan Peterson, unbeknownst to him, drew a whole bunch of people back to the Bible, whether he realized he was doing that or not. We could say the same thing about Kenneth Copeland. Should we now endorse Kenneth Copeland? No, but here's the thing. I'm not sitting here going, you got to say Kenneth Copeland's the greatest thing under the sun, or Jordan Peterson or David Ick or whatever you're, you know, whichever one you want.

I just mean that in the truth movement, right, of like seeing things for what they are, there was a huge chunk of the population that could not decipher that government could do evil things before COVID. I'm one of them. I'm sitting here across from you. And I go, that government could not do evil things. That just doesn't sound realistic. That government was incapable of committing evil. I don't think I put two seconds of thought into it. Not two seconds of thought.

I look at my life and I go, you know, like maybe I'd been blessed. Maybe it was luck. I have no idea. I just didn't give it two seconds of thought. I was more focused on the NHL Stanley Cup. I was playing hockey for my lifestyle. I was dating now married to her, but I was dating a wonderful girl. And I just didn't put any two seconds of thought into it.

So when they got on and said there are bad things going on, I took them out of their word. And it has been, you know, like I even think of the Matrix when you bring it up. Like I understand more as I go along. It's a journey. And as the journey unfolds, I see things and I go, oh, you're right. So when you talk Kenneth Copeland, you know, like 10 years ago, what the heck did I care about Kenneth Copeland? So you could rant and rave about them all you want, but it didn't mean anything to me. Alex Jones has probably been trying to get people to see what government's been doing for 20 years.

If you weren't ready, you weren't ready. But when you were ready, Alex Jones was sitting there, and now some are going to go down this dark path, and you wish they'd never go. But along that path... Not some, most. It says the Bible says that the whole world will be deceived. So if you're saying some, you know, that's not accurate. It's most of the world. It's including people who are professing Christ with their lips.

And most of the people who claim to be Christians, who claim to be following in the spirit and, you know, and committing themselves to the daily struggle against the flesh, you know, they claim to be Christian, but they're just as much yoked in with this deception than the new age or anyone else. And the problem is whether or not, you know, you may feel like you're right with God. You know, you're yoking with these deceivers. Because your fight is their fight and their fight is your fight. You know what you guys are awakening to the same thing. You guys are going down the same unholy rabbit hole.

And there's a reason why God tells us not to be unequally yoked with the unbeliever. There's a reason why God made an example of King Ahas. There's a reason why God said not to turn to art to the left or to the right, but the path to life is straight and narrow. And few find it. And this is exactly what I mean by, you know, if you look at. these unholy alliances that, you know, who we're, who we're getting behind, you know, people who get their teachings from lying spirits, you know, would you ever lock arms with someone knowing that they believe that they're Christ conscious? This is, this is real Satanism. You know,

people think of Satanism. They think of blood sacrifice and inverted pinagrams and all this truth or crap that they've been fed, right, by the truth or movement. But no, Satanism in its truest form is believing that oneself is on par with the creator. And that's what all these new age truthers and all these people believe. They believe the lie of the serpent. And if you don't think that Satan is using those people in order to lead Christians away from the living God, away from our true purpose, then you need to really reexamine and take a step back at the bigger. And that's what I had to do. I had to really, I mean, I was gung ho for the Great Awakening. I was gung ho for Trump, for Maga, for Christian nationalism, for dominionism, for for, you know, for, you know,

sticking it to the left, sticking it to the globalist, to the elite, you know, all this stuff. I was, I was right there with everyone. Like I said, I was in the truther, you know, rabbit hole since I was 15 years old. I'm 30 now, right? And it really wasn't until very recently that this started to make sense for me. And that's because instead of hyper-focusing on worldly things every single day inundating myself with all these things that are designed to draw me into the flesh that are designed to stir me into resentment and, and bitterness and rebellion and the desire of the flesh to bring about heaven on earth on our own terms, right? It wasn't until I started to really, you know, read my Bible daily, study these things,

you know, pray on the Holy Spirit, change my behavior, you know, lay down my desires, you know, crucify my flesh. It wasn't until I started to do these things, that these things started to make sense. And I took a step back and let my cognitive dissidents go because that's the whole thing, is a battle, you know, the battle against deception isn't a battle against the elite. It's the battle against the lies that we tell ourselves. The real battle isn't about the lies out there, but it's about the lies in here. It's about the lies in our hearts.

And by doing that, by engaging in that battle and by walking in Christ's footsteps, we naturally draw people to the gospel, right? But with this red pill rabbit hole nonsense, it's all leading people down the rabbit hole into discovering who's behind it, right? Okay, more, like, more obviously the government's evil. Everybody knows this. 60% of people don't trust the government or the media, right? This is just a given.

No, but that's a given now. Just hold on a second. That's a given. This is an ongoing. This is an ongoing. But that's what I'm saying. It's exactly what I'm saying. This is a culminating deception.

This doesn't just happen overnight. This isn't something that you can just roll out in three days. This is something that's been culminating for decades, for centuries, you know, And it's all leading to, it's all leading somewhere, right? This isn't just benign, right? This isn't just, you know, a random thing. This is all very intentional. And it's all very intentionally led to lead people into this final spiritual deception

where people will pridefully exalt themselves and unite themselves with the world and declare peace and safety and believe that they are God and believe, you know, and that's the thing. You don't have to believe in the new age to fall for this deception. right like there's there's there's so much that you know uh in in revelation that talks about those you know who who who stand against god in armageddon the battle of armageddon you know what what where where are the headquarters of the new world order other than the headquarters of zionism jerusalem right and that's all that's what this red pill is leading people towards this red pill

matrix rabbit hole is leading people to the realization that the jews are behind everything and And we need to destroy them and destroy Jerusalem to usher in the kingdom of God, to overthrow the black magic rulers, just like Alice Bailey, Helena Bovotki said. And that's what this is all about. So with this understanding, to continue to lead people down this red pill, fruit of the tree of knowledge path is awful. It really hit me to the point where, you know, I really feel, I really grieve. I grieve for all the people that I deceived. I grieve for all the people that I led down this, you know, all this stuff. I was talking to a friend the other day.

And, you know, he was deeply influenced because I was one of the biggest conspiracy theorist, you know, you could ever see. And he was really deeply influenced by the things I would tell him about global governance and about all this stuff. And now, guess what? He's a total new ageer. He believes in all this crisis. consciousness stuff. He believes in the Great Awakening. He believes that we're going to return to eat in all this stuff. I mean, this stuff is spiritually dangerous. And just because someone hasn't completely fallen away now doesn't mean that they won't in the future. Because like the

Bible says, the entire world will be deceived and very few will, will, you know, endure in the faith until the end. And, and there's a reason why all these people, Jordan Peterson, you know, all everyone on the left, right, you know, they're all, they're all fighting the same fight, is against the elite, which is pro-humanity, right? That's what Elon Musk said. We're team humanity, Alex Jones. We're team humanity. And it's all about, you know, humanity exulting themselves to the level of God. And that's what this, this is culminating into. So, you know, and there's no one, I mean, if you really look, no one's calling this out. There's barely anyone. I feel like, you know, I feel so passionate. I feel, you know, so strongly about the need to, like,

you know, go and talk to different people. I don't see anyone else talking about it. I go on my newsfeed, and everyone's saying the same things. There is nothing that the Christian conspiracy theorists are saying that distinks or separates themselves from the New Age ones, except for they use the, and even the New Age uses the word Jesus Christ. Alice Bailey loved Jesus, right? But the thing is, it wasn't the Jesus of the New Testament.

It was a false Jesus, an ascended master, right? Who just came, who didn't come to die for our sins, right? but who came to show us the way to become God ourselves, right? So, like, even the people, so many of the people that are, that are professing Christ, that are professing Jesus, you know, they're professing a false Christ. And it's, and in the same way, in the early church, you know, the Gnostics, you know, who believe that Yahweh is Satan and, you know, and believe all this esoteric stuff, you know, and that they need to escape and transcend the material world, just like the matrix narrative, right?

They sat in pews alongside Christians and they weren't exposed until church fathers like Ironaea started exposing their doctrines. And in the same way today, these deceivers aren't going to be exposed until we start exposing them. We need to stop being cowards and we need to go against, you know, this awakening and this and this deception that's rising because that's ultimately what is going to lead people to hell. That is what's going to lead people into perdition. It's not this overt wickedness that takes no Holy Spirit to discern. It's the evil and wickedness that's rising from within the hearts of man that's coming from within our own communities, our own families, our own movements, right? And that's how Satan sneaks into the church.

That's how Satan gets in. That's how he infiltrates, right? Satan doesn't operate by outward opposition and antagonization. If you look at scripture, nowhere does he operate like that. Everywhere we see Satan, we see him acting sort of as God's pawn, right? God has a purpose, right? He has a reason why he's allowing Satan to do this, right? And it's typically for testing, right?

And Satan comes as, you know, an angel of light. He comes as, as, you know, as though he is on your side, you know, that he's trying to help you. He's, he's trying to get you to realize the truth, right? And that's exactly what this truth or thing is. It's, it's the same lie just repackaged over and over and over again. You know, Satan doesn't need any new tricks. You know, when you read the Bible, I don't see Satan having a new trick anywhere. I see the same thing happen over and over and over again.

There's nothing new under the sun, just like Ecclesiase, chapter one, verse nine says, you know, what has been done will be again. What has been will be again. And the fact that, that, you know, people would rather sit and talk about global conspiracies and how we're victims and how we need to band together and, and, you know, do this rebellion and, you know, and draw on the flesh, you know, the fact that everyone is on this trajectory only proves and validifies the prophecies in scripture that, by the way, Most Christians haven't read.

Most Christians who, you know, claim they follow Christ and all that, don't know lick about Scripture. They couldn't tell you, they couldn't tell you, you know, they couldn't tell you anything about it. You know, maybe they could tell you a couple things, a few things, but they don't truly know it. And even if you read it, even if you've read it, doesn't mean you understand it. It doesn't mean you've studied it. You know, are we actually studying our Bible daily? Or are we wrapping ourselves in the daily affairs of the world, in the temptations of the flesh, in the appeals of the, of the,

of what's happening on here. Are our eyes fixated on in, you know, on heavenly things or on earthly things? And the more I look back at, you know, at myself before understanding this, at the more I look at everyone else, you know, it's the same pattern. You know, these people are in the world and I was in the world. And I didn't understand this until I truly fought the real spiritual battle, which isn't like what Alex Jones and all these people say about the fight against good and evil. No, it's about the fight against our sinful nature and the need for God's grace. And Satan is cunning and brilliant, and he is leading Christians away from this calling and into the camp of the enemy by manipulating us with fear and worry and stress and anxiety about our state in this perishing world. And that's what's really coming.

That's what's really happening. and nobody sees it. But people need to wake up because remember Christ says that he will come as a thief to those who are sleeping. But the one who stays awake, they are not children of darkness, but are children of light. Right. So in the same way that in the days of Noah, you know, the imminence of the flood, it blew, it washed everyone away because everybody was so in the world. everybody was so in their lives. I'm sure there was so much politics going on.

I'm sure there was so much struggles with corruption and other people who, you know, rising up against them, even though they were still fallen, even though they were still in rebellion, right? I'm sure that all of that stuff had been going on since the beginning of time. But that doesn't mean, but that doesn't mean that's the spiritual battle. That's the worldly battle. That's the earthly battle. You know, Ephesians 6 says that our weapons of warfare are not carnal. They're not material. They're not of this world.

But they do have divine power to take down stronghold. And what is that? That's the word of God. You know, we combat evil by recalling to mind scripture, by renewing our mind and sharing in the mind of Christ and drawing others to follow in his example. Right? It's separate. We're to be separate from the world.

We are not citizens of this world. We are ambassadors for the kingdom of God, whose kingdom is not from this world, according to John 18. Right. And that's the thing. You know, Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would be what? They'd be fighting. They'd be fighting.

But my kingdom is not from hence. Right. So, again, you look at the trajectory. You look at everything around you. It's all. Everyone is on this path. or going towards this path as more global, you know, there's a saying that, you know, conspiracy theories are becoming conspiracy facts. And, you know, things that were in the dark are coming to light.

That's why Q and all these people say darkness to light, because that's what's happening. You talked about 2020 and how everything's being unveiled about, you know, COVID and how, you know, that's exactly what's happening. That's the plan to slowly unveil and unravel these global conspiracies, to unravel. you know, that we are enslaved, that we are victims, that we need to exalt ourselves, that we need to stand up, and then we need to get in our flesh and we need to be pride, we need to be in pride and unite ourselves and, you know, that we're warriors, right? We're not sinful. We're not, you know, we're innocent.

We're righteous. We're powerful, right? And this has always been Satan's deception. This has always been Satan's tactic. And so many people are so caught up in the flesh that they can't even see it, you know, like I was before. so yeah so I

like I don't know what to say once again you've said quite a bit and and one of the things that you know you might say it was by design

I don't know was it by design that COVID happened the pandemic happened the lockdowns happened and absolutely and through Okay, so then by design, they knew they were going to push people to Jesus.

No. Well, no, no, no. Well, who controls the world? Who do you think controls the world? Well, the powers that be, right? You've already brought up Satan. Who were the powers that be? Satan and his forces control the world?

Who is sovereign over the world? God. God, exactly. And this is exactly what I'm talking about. Remember Job. He called to mind God's sovereignty through his trials. He knew that whatever he was going through, it was because God had a purpose in it. We see in scripture, we are given trials to forge our faith.

We are given trials to test us. So God can separate us from the wheat in the chaff and reveal genuine hearts for him versus those that are in the world, those who love their lives and love this world. Right. And this is exactly what I mean is that, you know, we talk about, you know, they designed it this way. well who's really designing it God's designing it Satan is a pawn and if Satan's upon how much more are the elite pawns do you see what I'm saying no I know I guess I agree and so out of it comes how many people are turning to Jesus lots and it's one thing but here's the thing you're forgetting it's one thing to profess Christ with your lips that's easy that's the easiest thing in the world to do is profess Christ with your lips no that's the starting point well yeah it should be but it's not for it no no but once again this is where i come back to you start reading the bible and you start reading what is asked of their review and at the start you you profess it with your lips and after that is the real choice of like holy crap look at what what it says in here and

you have to you know it should maybe it shouldn't be a wrestle donnie maybe maybe you shouldn't have to wrestle with what's said in the book you don't need to but the problem is it's it's that people are not wrestling with the Word of God. They're wrestling with their flesh and their flesh is overcoming. The desires of the flesh are overcoming the spirit because of their own actions, because of their own choices. It's the same thing that happened with me. I'm not saying like I'm holier than now. I was like this for years saying the same exact thing that everyone else is saying. And the red pill brought me to Jesus. The red pill brought me to Jesus. I was so deceived to say nonsense like that. It was an abomination that I would say something like that.

And honestly, I repent every single day, every single day I repent for pushing this deception. And if people aren't doing that, then they are leading people into the path of perdition. And this is serious. Like, this is not like, like, I can't stress enough how important this is. You know, this is the most serious thing going on, you know, ever. This is the purpose of our lives. is to stand strong in faithfulness to Christ and against the deceptions of the enemy and our own flesh. And if we're engaging with it, if we're if we're yoking ourselves with that deception and we're and we're swimming in the deception, right? We're we're part of it, right? We are now we are now actively working for Satan, you know, even though we may profess Christ with our lips.

Just like, look at the Pharisees. Look at the Pharisees. You know, they outwardly, right? they were the biggest they were the biggest advocates for god they were the biggest advocates for yahway and the mosaic law and the covenant and everything like that but when jesus came he exposed something that was in within them he exposed a heart problem and this is what i'm saying is that this is a heart problem it's not about a christianity versus atheism problem oh well well you know well he's a he's a christian so there you he's good no no no no this is a heart problem in the same way

the Pharisees weren't good, even though they professed, you know, Yahweh, and even though they followed, you know, the mosaic law as best they could, they, that wasn't the problem. It was their hearts. They, in the same way that the ancient Israelites, you know, when they were led and liberated out of Egypt by, by God through Moses, you know, what was God? Why did God send them to wander for 40 years and suffer and and and you know because he was testing them because he wanted to test their faith and because of their lack of faith and because they were so fearful for their physical circumstances what happened you know because they were complaining all day they harbored resentment for the trials that god gave them what did god do he said that that generation was not

allowed to enter the promised land in the same way today when we harbor resentment for god's trials that pointed to us, we too may not enter the promised land because we're harboring resentment for the matrix God put us in. And that's what this, that's, and that's what this awakening is all about. It's all about the awakening of the, let's, let's, let me ask it a different way. Let's say that you're sitting here listening to this, right? And along the way, you found the Bible, you found Jesus, maybe you've had it for a long time. I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm speaking more once again in general terms. You're sitting there and you're listening to this. Okay. So we can agree the government doesn't have our best interest. We can agree a bunch of the different things going on.

When you're talking to said person, a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ, what would you say then you're pushing on them to do moving forward? Follow the commands of Christ. Stop fixing your eyes on the things of this world and start fixing your eyes on the true spiritual battle that the Bible calls us to fight. It's not flesh and blood. Ephesians 6, our fight is not, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but we wrestle against the dark spiritual forces in high places and the temptations of the flesh, the deception that they lay before us, right? And we combat that by not, not by necessarily, it's not resisting, but rather persisting in following God and walking in his footsteps and living out the gospel, in being sanctified daily,

in studying his word, in renewing our minds, and calling others to do the same. It's not in this, it's not in a culture war and it's not in a fight for the world or for our lives. You cannot, there's nothing in scripture, you know, like think about Jesus, right? He could have summoned legions of angels, legions of them to take the kingdom of God by force at his first coming, right? But he didn't. What did he do? He humbled himself. He came as a lowly suffering servant.

He spent time with the lowest of society, right? And he will come as a king, but that will come at his second coming. But for right now, he's serving as what? As our great high priest seated at the right hand of the father interceding on our behalf. And in the same way that we're not called to be kings, we're called to serve as priests until the time comes when Jesus returns and establishes his millennial kingdom in which the saints will reign with him over the earth for a thousand years before the beginning of the eternal state, the new heaven and new earth. And that's exactly what Satan's trying to do.

Satan's trying to get us to act in a post-millian framework and where we think we have the right to judge the world. Right. But the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians says, what business do I have to judge outsiders? is it not those within the church who I am supposed to judge, you know, uh, you know, let God judge those who are outside and expel the wicked one from among you, from among you, right? So the apostle Paul wasn't interested in whatever tyranny, Nero Caesar was doing, which was by the way, worse than what anything we have today. He was persecuting and killing Christians, right? And, and, and, and, you know, if you read the apostle

Paul's work, if you read the work of the early Christians, What was it about? You know, was it always about other people and how other people are evil and all this stuff? Or was it about the evil that we need to fight ourselves against every single day? That's true Christianity. And what's rising right now, all these people who are coming to Jesus, they're following a counterfeit form of Christianity. They're following a form of Christianity that looks Christian. It looks up.

I see Jesus here. They're honoring the Bible. That's a check. This is Christianity. It's like, no. That, like, discernment isn't about discerning between right and wrong. It's about distinguishing between right and almost right. And this is exactly why most people are getting swayed by the deceptions of the enemy.

It's because he masquerades as an angel of light. And so the spiritual, the true spiritual warfare that we are called a fight is being counterfeited. by this exciting Star Wars, Jedi versus Sith, us versus them, you know, game that's been going on for so long. And it's drawing us in the flesh. It's drawing us in the world. It's drawing us into this deception that's unfolding. And it's drawing us away from genuine, pure, simple devotion to God.

That's what I'm saying. Well, I appreciate you coming on and saying it. Yeah. I mean, I guess we'll wait and hear what the audience has to say. But either way, Donnie, I'm glad you answered. the invite and that you hopped on to share some of your thoughts. Yeah, I really appreciate you inviting me to have me on here. And honestly, like, seeing, seeing, like, all the stuff that, you know, people are saying,

it's very, I really commend you for having me on. I know a lot of people, they don't want to touch me because they think that, you know, that I'm, that I'm, you know, that I'm, that I'm the devil or a doom and gloom prophet, which is interesting because if you look at like Jeremiah, right, like he was, he was, He was considered a doom and gloom prophet. He was considered, you know, a false prophet who was, you know, who was actually the problem. They framed him as an abuser because he was teaching about, he was prophesying about repentance. He was saying, hey, judgment is coming and we need to repent.

And yet hundreds of false prophets, what were they saying? Peace, victory, security, we can have it in this world. And you had one prophet of God, Jeremiah, who was actually telling people what they didn't want to hear and they persecuted him for it. So in the same way, in today's context, it's going to be very, very few people who are actually going to be leading people to the truth of what the Bible is actually teaching us, but what the warning scripture is actually giving us. And it's going to be hundreds and thousands of people, even millions, who are going to be pushing deception. So we just need to be careful and remember that the path to life is narrow and you find it. If people want to find you, Donnie, where can they go? Yeah, they can go on Twitter, or on X rather, and they can just type in Donnie discerned, or you can type in Donnie Darkin, that'll pull it up to.

But yeah, you could find me right on X. Cool. Well, thanks again for hopping on and doing this. Okay, thanks, brother. Thanks. God bless.