Shaun Newman Podcast - #677 - Dr. Sam Bailey

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

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She's an author, a telehealth business owner and was a member of the Trust Me, I'm a Doctor, TV series in New Zealand. I'm talking about Dr. Sam Bailey. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Dr. Sam Bailey. So first off, ma'am, thanks for hopping on. It's such a pleasure, Sean. I'm really excited to be able to talk to. with you. Well, we're, you know, one of the lovely things about the internet, um, I would love to do everything in person, but one of the lovely things about the internet is the fact we can be on opposite sides of the world and get to have a conversation. Like there's no, been no time in history

quite like this. Exactly. And I felt, you know, during the whole COVID stuff, it felt quite alone, but this is what is so magical now is that you can just connect with people. It, I feel like the world is just brought itself so much closer. Now, when I, you got to tell me a bit about yourself. You can go for as long as short as you want. It doesn't matter to me. But you know, it's funny, you know, you do the dreaded Google search of somebody and the articles that come out about you are kind of what you would expect about a doctor who spoke out about different things. And you can imagine what I found in there. And I kind of chuckled as I went because I've interviewed a lot of different doctors over the course of a couple of years.

So, you know, it kind of just filed it in the trash bin and went, I'm just going to let Dr. Bailey decide what her story, you know, what she wants to say about it. So I, my audience gave me your name multiple times. That's why I followed up on it. And saying that, I doubt my audience all knows who you are. And I would love to just hear a bit about your story. Oh, thanks, Sean.

Yeah, well, I might start just before COVID because it's important about, No, and feel free to start as early as you want. Okay. Yeah, so I was trained conventionally as a medical doctor. I graduated from a university in New Zealand, Otago University, in 2005. And so I'd been working as a doctor, a medical doctor, for about 15 or 16 years. And I worked in different areas. So I did general practice, after hours, medicine, emergency medicine.

And later, I did a lot of work in clinical trials where I was a lot of work. where I was a supervising doctor for various different trials looking at new drugs. So particularly my area was in cardiology medications and diabetes and things like that. And so I knew a lot about how medications come about and the usual process. And along my journey as a doctor, I started my own business, an online. telehealth business in New Zealand it was the first of its kind and it was nationwide and that was just before kind of COVID happened before everything became normal where you'd talk with a doctor online and as a consequence I was

sort of I guess spotted by a health show a TV health presenter a mainstream network in New Zealand and they said would you like to be a presenter and I never thought about something like that but I loved it and I was like of course And so I jumped at it and I did a first season and it's actually based the TV show was based. I don't know if the news reached you guys, but there was an English doctor that recently died Michael Monsley in the UK. And his, the show was called Trust Me, I'm a Doctor and this is what they'd based the show on. Anyway, I was halfway through filming the second season for this and COVID happened.

And at that time, I'd also, by chance, started my own YouTube channel and it was very small at that time. And my audience would start asking me questions about coronavirus and what was happening, what was going on in China and Italy. And I thought, I don't know. And I was kind of reluctant. I didn't really want to comment on it because I thought it's so hard to get information. But everyone was affected, obviously. and my husband was a doctor or was a doctor as well. And so we both kind of hunkered down

and really started digging into what was going on. And as a consequence, my husband and I, we've always been extremely close and very much on the same page. And he's been my canary in the coal mine, as it were. And so he discovered this book called Virus Mania, which was written by two German authors, and one was an infectious diseases doctor and the other was an investigative journalist back in 2007.

And this book, Virusmania, goes through all the different pandemics. Bird flu, swine flu, AIDS, everything leading up to COVID, but it hadn't happened yet. And it was the most astounding book because in it it described how how pandemics are essentially created and that this is not an all this is not a natural thing this has been staged by media by governments and the institutions and not knowingly but that there's so much money to be made in these industries and it's not all as it seems and the the most striking things that he would stop me my husband would stop me and say Sam just sit down so I can read you this passage and it would be about HIV or the Spanish flu and how

they'd done these experiments back in 1918 where they tried to infect people with influenza and couldn't do it and I'd never and all the time at medical school I'd never known this it was like completely new for me and we didn't and I would look up these experiments and thought oh my gosh this is all real this has never been shown before. And as a consequence, it started me on this journey of making YouTube videos about these themes. And so I started doing that and I got a lot of attention. And I wasn't trying to do it. I just was trying to explore myself for the audience what was kind of going on. Then I kind of have my Waterloo moment. So in September 2020, I had a contact in New Zealand who was in charge of one of those PCR clinics that they were running at the time.

And she told me that they'd basically put it to bed as it were. They weren't going to do any. And then they had all this new funding come in just before the elections in New Zealand. And I knew that if they had more funding, they'd do more testing and they'd find more cases. So I made a video about this. And in this particular video, I also said that I wouldn't take... the vaccine if and when it came about because I'd done clinical trials and I knew that this was far too fast regardless and also the whole contagion thing didn't make sense to me at that point. So I said this

and as a consequence two weeks later I had a phone call from the lawyer of the TV show telling me to take the video down and I said I wouldn't do it and they said well just take out the bit on vaccines And I knew at that point that I was, this is something much bigger and I wouldn't do it. And so they fired me from that show and then I was, had been working for this for a job for 12 years in clinical trials at the same place and they said to me to not come in anymore. And then I also had a smear articles, you know, on all over the papers in New Zealand and I had a fact checking video. So it was just crazy time because I'd never had anything like this happen and I couldn't kind of, you're trying to make sense of it of what's happening to you at the time and it's so sort of shocking. But I knew that I'm not going to back down because I know what I'm saying is truthful.

So and then I, two weeks later, I had this, I always felt like it was the hand of God helping me actually, pointing me where I needed to go. the author of Virus Mania reached out to me. They didn't know that I read this book and it had kind of changed my life, but he said, would you like to interview my co-author, Klaus, who's the doctor, about the book? And I said, please, that would be such an honour for me. And we got on so well that they asked me to be a co-author of their new edition.

And so I did. And it completely took me in this new trajectory. And I continue making videos along with my husband. And we talk a lot about how to be healthy, about viruses, about contagion and what we understand to be infectious diseases. You know, it's no matter how many times I interview doctors or just anyone in general about COVID, all of us have our unique stories that happened to us, the experience we've lived through. and I think, you know, I always love hearing, you know, because there's some tough days in there, but hearing like, but maybe the hand of God had a different plan in place for me and off to the races, I go in a completely different way and I would have never gotten there if COVID hadn't

been there, right? Like, I mean, I know that's a, that's the optimist way of looking at it, but certainly I think even my road to where I'm sitting at today and I sometimes chuckle a about it. I'm like, I would have never found Dr. Sam Bailey if it hadn't been for the choices made during COVID, right? Like, I mean, I was interviewing hockey players. That's ice hockey players to Dr. Sam down in New Zealand, you know. And, you know, it's funny because now you sit here and you go, okay, well, you've said about 17 things now that I'm like, all right, where do I start pulling on this thread? And one of them is, you know, you're going back to this book, Virus Mania, Okay, you've interviewed the doctor from it.

You're talking about they couldn't infect people with the Spanish flu. Can you elaborate on this a bit more for me and just give me the story around this? Because, you know, one of the things, you know, in the videos I watched Evia, as I started watching it, and I was like, oh, I start to understand some of the things doctors said about not going down the road of like viruses don't exist and that different thing. and I was like, oh, okay, and I was just, I don't have a degree in any of that, right? I'm just a simpleton from small town, Alberta. And so when I, when I hear that, I'm like, okay. And then I've heard you talk about this now.

And now I'm like, okay, we better just try and unravel this ball for me. When you say you couldn't infect them, or sorry, not you, but the book talks about it. What do they mean? What are you talking about? Yeah, so specifically that's about, so there were these experiments. called the Rosannair experiments that were done in the States and what they did is they had 50 prisoners who so they were just in prison obviously and one of the conditions of getting out early was that they participate in these experiments and

they took them into the places where they had people who were extremely sick with Spanish flu and they got they asked the patients to cough on them to they took their spit and then nostril you know their nose secretions and they rubbed it in the in the air the healthy volunteers nasal passages under their eyes they took blood samples and they tried to inject them into the into the prisoners and of these 50 people none of them got sick and what was So shocking to me about, so this is this concept of contagion, so that, or germ theory, that

their one germ causes one disease and there's usually one treatment for it, the magic bullet as it's known. And with particularly Spanish flu, these were major studies and these weren't just done once, these were done like multiple times and could never infect a healthy person. And what we were taught at medical school, and I know all over across the world at every medical school, is that we're taught that viruses and contagion are spread usually by respiratory droplets, you know, by coughing and spluttering and it passes from one person to the other. And that's not the case. That's not how people get sick, how people come, you know, come down with illness.

And this was just one thing of a whole lot of stuff that they talked. about in Virusmania. But that was to me the most shocking because I had always assumed that this was all fact. I'd never looked at the original studies myself until 2020 and now that is what all we do is go back to these original studies and unravel it. Look at what are they saying, what do they actually do? And because of our background and knowing how clinical trials and studies work, we've had to unravel virology itself, which is the study of viruses. And I thought again that this had all been established. And the first time you hear it, you're like, this is crazy.

Like when I think of myself, like if I were talking to myself even five, six years ago, I would have thought, you know, she's gone nuts because it makes no sense of everything that you know and what you've grown up with. but the concept of germ theory is it's so wrong Sean and yeah we can go into that more if you'd like to well I would I would like to explore it more you know um um so I don't know I don't even know what to ask here folks I'm kind of caught not caught flat footed but I'm trying to wrestle with this the idea of of they say that it got released well right the the popular theory is it came out of a lab in China and right around military games

and boom, it travels the entire world. What would you say to that then? Yeah, so of the different stories that we've been told about how this pandemic happened, COVID-19, there are two main ones. So there's the traditional one, which we all thought, you know, was that it jumped out of bats in Wuhan,

it went in a wet market, infected a single person, and then went spread across the world. There's also a second accepted narrative, which is the gain of function one, which is that it was created in a lab in Wuhan in the Institute of Virology there, and was deliberately released. This actual concept, we've written, both myself and my husband have written another book called The Final Pandemic, where we go into this in a lot more detail. this is another story that was actually planted, as it were, seeded by the mainstream itself.

It was there from the very beginning. And there are certain, because, you know, the first story is so ridiculous. It's sort of like if you go into 9-11 and you think there was a person living in an Afghanistan cave somewhere conducting these extreme, you know, planes flying into buildings. and you know when you really think about it you're like that doesn't make a lot of sense and this is the same with you know viruses jumping out of bats and being eaten in wet markets and causing disease the we've actually gone back to the original you know information about gain of function and they can't do it they can't do it in experiments it doesn't work it's never worked this is all this fearmongering that we've been exposed to in fact the

China Daily, which is the communist marketing media arm of the Republic of China, they released videos and images in 2018 talking about the Institute of Virology and how they were these, you know, how they create them, how they've got those pictures of refrigerators with lab leak and all this kind of stuff that was seeded from China Daily itself and used later to to make people fearful and scared that this can be, this can happen and be created in the lab. And it's just simply not true, Sean. So I wanna break this into a couple pieces here

so that maybe my brain can grasp it. One is they do have labs that are trying to perform gain of function, correct? And then, and then, and then, sorry, and then two would be, so they're trying to do gain a function, which, you know, one, I think, think about it, I think of all the doctors I've interviewed, and I don't know if any of them have ever said that that isn't possible. So when you look at this and go, they're trying to do

gain of function, but then what you're saying is that isn't possible. Like gain of function is not possible to do, to replicate into spreading into human beings. Yeah, it comes back to the principles of what happens with virology. So my premises, and this is not just me, there's lots of people that have looked into this, and scientists, doctors around the world. In fact, there's a Canadian Denny Rankor who is very good on this subject as well. Yeah, he's been on the podcast. I never, I can't remember, you know, when we talked, it was about the death count, the statistics of what was going on. And, you know, I briefly remember him saying something about,

I don't know if there was even a virus or something along that lines, but I never really clued into it, right? It was kind of like, oh, okay. And, but we were talking about, how many, how many, what was the number, folks? Like, I'm spacing on the number. But Deney and me sat and had a lovely chat.

He was, because he's from the other side of Canada. Like, he's brilliant man. and once again slandered for everything he brought up. So certainly know exactly who you talk about. Sorry, I cut you off. Yeah, no, no, that's all right. So Denny, anyway, he came at it from the statistics perspective, which is there was no pandemic just looking at statistics,

but he's also dived into this area as well of virology. So the whole problem relies on this idea of the existence of viruses. Do they exist? You know, have they ever been shown to exist? And if you pull, start unpicking this, one of the key problems with it is the isolation of viruses. And what they say they do versus what they actually do. So you think of isolation. The word means to separate things from each other, right?

Like if you had a bunch of pens and you wanted a red pen only, you have to separate it out from everything else. They never, ever do that. So when they take samples from people, they take snot usually or bronchialveola lavage, so the fluid from inside the lungs. And then they mix it with other stuff, toxic things in a cell culture. So this is antibiotics and a whole bunch of other things. And then they show in their experiments that the virus is there, but they've never actually taken a sample. They've never got it and separated it out from everything else. What they've just got is human secretions with billions of other genetic fragments and other things that make it very confusing.

And this is what they've only ever done forever. Like they've never shown isolation ever of being able to get a virus by itself. And this is one of the key points. If you can't get a virus by itself, then how can you gain a function? How can you make it into something, you know, this potent weapon? It's impossible and what they can do. They can make, you know, chemical warfare is very real. They have chemical weapons.

Those are something I would be terrified of like siren and I think it's V-X. These are extremely toxic substances and you hardly need any to kill someone. very different from this idea of gain of function of viruses. What they can, in terms of is there any kind of true biological weapon, you've got things like snake venom and jellyfish stings, but they usually have to be injected into people. So you know, a snake venom, if you swallowed snake venom, it's going to do nothing to you. But if it's injected or the actual toxin is put in directly to the person, then yes, it can make you sick. But for viruses, this is just fantasy. And I'm not saying this lightly, Sean.

This is on the basis of a whole lot of research. And what we've spent the last four years is really trying to unpick virology itself, looking at different conditions that we, you know, people ask about, like rabies, herpes, all sorts of things. Um, HIV, just, it goes on and saying, well, if it's not a virus, then what is it? What happens? Why did they say that it was a virus? And it's very important. So we've got technical papers and other things that we've actually got behind this. So my husband wrote a paper called A Farewell to Virology where he fully unpicks and shows how virology is fraudulent. And it's been used to trick and control people.

essentially. It's a way, pandemics in particular, a way for people to be controlled through the biosecurity surveillance state. And we're seeing this play out in lots of areas. So at the moment, the focus is on avian flu, you know, bird flu, and this is again an attack on the first. Exactly, yes. I mean, just think of it. There's so many of them that they use on us. And this is is to control people, to control the food supply in particular, is very important. And they can use it. It's a cover story, essentially, for what really makes people sick, to control people in populations and to bring about sort of, you know, the New World Order and all this kind of dystopian nonsense. I want to ask, you mentioned they've never isolated a virus before. They get it in,

to human secretion, whichever way that is. But once you have it there, you know, they haven't been able to, like, isolate it down to this is X virus. Am I correct? I heard that correct? Yes, yeah. I'd read in a book by Annie Jacobson about Project Paperclip. It was about German scientists who, Nazi scientists,

who the United States brought over to the American, to America. And then back in the, I want to say early 50s, they spread, I thought it said disease, but it was like, you know, I'm going to say that the common flu, but I, once again, you know, I'm trying to go off my memory, but up in Alaska. And they were trying to see if an airborne could be spread on the population below and then, you know, and they could transmit it. And I found that very fascinating because I'm like, holy crap. Like, you know, people talk about cloud seating and all these different things and then you're reading this book and you're talking about scientists from 70 years ago doing that. Is that thought then just not correct that they could do that from the air?

They could spread a virus from the air. And if it wasn't a correct thought, then what were they doing? And I know you can't like, you're you're guessing, but why, you know, to me I was like shocked at that. And what you're saying is, well, they haven't been able to isolate a virus, so they couldn't have been doing that, essentially, or am I getting that wrong? No, that's perfect, Sean. Yeah. It's always hard to, I think, to actually articulate it as well because it's so much behind it. Yeah, essentially, you're right. They can't do that.

So I don't know the particular example that you're talking about, you know, specifically. but they can make people. So I guess it also falls into why do people get sick in the first place? Why do people get sick in clusters or in groups? Because that's often the thing of people, what they reference. And they say, well, how did lots of people get sick at the same time? And this is the number one question. And if I go, if I jump into that, you know, one of the things I wrote down is like,

I'm a father. You mentioned having a young, young family and I have a young family and I go, okay, if that doesn't work, I'm like, why is it if my youngest gets sick with relatively the flu, right, cough, fever, etc., why is it likely that the whole house is going to get it or the daycare is going to get it or, you know, the cluster, just as you're saying, the cluster, to me, that seems like the obvious question. Why does that happen then? Yeah, so and we've all experienced that we have ourselves as a family. My kids are like 13, 11 and 2 and 1 half, 3 boys and we decided to have another child because

I thought, well Bill Gates doesn't want me to so I'm going to. Anyway, but yeah, what I was going to say is so we are all under the same, this, we are all under the same, This comes down to this idea of terrain theory as well. So there's this germ theory that we've talked about where you have one germ causes one disease and there's one treatment. Usually there's also one test. The idea of terrain theory is like a plant where plants get sick for all sorts of reasons and it's usually to do with their terrain.

So too much water, too little water, the soil's poor condition, too much wind. And what happens is when the plant gets sick, then parasites and other microorganisms come in fungi to try and clean up and get rid of debitalized tissue to try and help, basically help the plant get rid of toxins of why it's sick in the first place. The way you make the plant better is by fixing what caused it to be sick in the first place. So, you know, often it's improving the soil or giving it more water, what have you. This is the same for humans. So humans get sick when we're

exposed to the wrong terrain and that can be a multitude of things. And often families are exposed to the same terrain. So it will be, for example, because we had this ourselves with young, when our kids, one of our sons went to daycares and he would be constantly sick. and I would take him to the daycare, you'd think he'd just be better, and then you'd have to bring him home again and be home for a week, and the whole cycle would repeat. He was stressed out. He was stressed going to this place. It was like a factory, you know, with all the kids there under the same environment.

And I didn't appreciate it at that time. How stressful it is for a young child to go in being separated from us. being amongst other kids that are screaming and carrying on. And when you bring them home, we were also working a lot, stressed. We weren't so awake to a lot of the environmental things that we do now. So focusing heavily on food, water, how are we, our thinking. All of those aspects make us sick. And what we were all under in COVID,

in 2020 and on beyond was immense psychological warfare and the reason it looks like people are all getting sick together is because we're under these same environmental conditions children for example as well like chickenpox is a classic that I get asked about and you know how does chickenpox work then if it's not a virus and you know the idea of chickenpox parties I've actually made a video on this very question because we got asked it so many times But as the children have, we have a way, all of us have a way of eliminating toxins or a build-up of stuff that our body doesn't want. One of the classic ways children do that is through the skin and through skin rashes. You tend to only get it when they're younger because their surface area of their body is quite large for the size of them.

So it's one of the most efficient way of getting rid of toxins from their body. And that's why it only tends to happen at that time. And children, like when you actually look at studies, they can't again show that you can't make another child sick with chicken pox unless you actually traumatize the skin. So that's the only way to, like, you pick it it with a scalpel and then inject some stuff in that and then it reacts. That's the only way you can do it. You can't cough or touch someone and transmit this infection and make the child sick. So all of the kind of thinking of how this works is it's all backwards. So yeah, does that make sort of sense?

Well, you're opening a giant can of worms on me. I'll say that much. But, you know, I had a professor from, I think it was a... it's three rivers in British Columbia, talk about a couple of different studies. One was basically on, and I'll butcher this a bit, and hopefully you get the gist, but essentially you get students to hand an assignment,

and then you tell them one passed, one failed, and at the same time, I forget, was it, you inject them with something, and then you tell them they got the flu. And the one that you'd basically told failed was more likely to get sick than the one that you'd given the positive affirmation that they'd passed. And so, you know, I'm probably butchering this study just a smidge, folks. I want to make sure that, you know, I should go back and listen to Chris Montoya when he was on. That's a long time ago now.

But what he was explaining to me was the power of the mind and how it can really affect your body. and when you're talking about this, I'm like, so are you saying that the traumatization of a society, what we all went through, and the relentless attack, part of what happened was that our mind, and I don't know, I'm probably butchering this, so forgive me, but like essentially our mind played a bigger role into us all getting sick or whoever getting sick than we made it out to be. As for the death rates, I mean, all you got to do is go look at. at the statistics, certainly before the vaccine. Like the, the, that's why we're all like, where'd the flu go? Why are we locking down when the death rate is like non-existent? That is Deney Rancourt saying, like,

listen, there isn't, there's no reason to lock down. And so when you talk about like the virus or clusters of getting sick and on and on, are you, I don't know, am I, and at all scratching the surface with Chris Montoya had said about, you know, basically the power of what the mind can do. definitely that's a huge part that's yeah no no you're right Sean like I'm not sure of that again that specific experiment but it's um well and to be fair to you Dr. Bailey I probably just butchered that entire example I was trying to to explain what what Chris was telling me in that you know our mind and our mindset are uber powerful and what the government did for two plus years, roughly, two years for sure, and that's two plus years, is they just literally

inundated us with information that said we're all going to die. I mean, right? And then everywhere you went was mass and you're not allowed to think and you're not allowed to do this and you want to go watch your kids play sports get the injection. You don't want to get the injection. You're going to get the injection. You're not going to be in this and you're not going to be in that. And you're not going to be in this. And the death rates and on and on. And if you're unvaccined, you're not getting in the hospitals, and it just never ended. It's like insane. And you go, why would you do that?

Especially if none of the statistics support it. Like, none of the statistics, their own government statistics, don't support it. And you might then argue, I guess, from your standpoint, because they need to push the mind to where it starts to, I don't know, seed into the body. The virus? Like, am I saying that correct? So yeah, I always say there's no scientific evidence for a virus. You don't even need the virus for us to be sick in the first place. But yeah, you're exactly right, Sean.

Like I think we know that if you, if the body, if you're under immense psychological stress, the body releases cortisol, stress, hormones, and over time, your body will get sick if you're exposed to those you know catacolmes and other types of signals in our body it puts you under stress and we can all know examples in our own lives of when we've been under immense stress that you get sick i used to see it commonly with shingles where every time you'd see someone that come in and they'd present with a rash and they're like what's wrong with me and i'd say oh you've got shingles and i say have you been stressed lately and they're like yes I've been just finished my law exams and I'm just about to go on holiday.

And it's like the actual release, the symptoms themselves is the healing. That's the good thing. That's actually when your body's now starting to do its thing and to repair. The other really important thing to mention, Sean, is it's not, it is what they did to us. The psychological warfare was crazy. And we all have examples of what happened to us individually during. that time. But the other thing that they did was they invented a new test. This was critical, and this is the second half of controlling people and what happened. So the PCR tests, and I've

made numerous videos about this as well, and that was critical. So what to understand to with COVID-19, by their own definition, there are no specific signs or symptoms, right? They, they They say that. There's nothing, it can be, you have nothing, no symptoms to you can be nearly dead in your, you have COVID-19. It's all the same. No condition in history has ever been like this, right? And that was my first, our first red flag was like, how can a condition be defined like this?

There's no signs or symptoms. It's just anything. But as long as you have a positive test, a diagnostic PCR test, and these tests, so many problems with it, like flawed. And this was another big, deep rabbit hole. We had to go down to understand, oh my gosh, this is just a created pandemic through the tests. That's all that spread around the world was the PCR test.

And when you, the interesting way they released it as well, where they did, you know, the PCR tests, you had to go somewhere to get it done first. So you had to go to a doctor or to a clinic. you had to, that was the way initially. And eventually, everybody had their own at home urine, you know, essentially like a pregnancy test, but the rat tests that anyone could take and the cases exploded. But it has no causal relationship. Like this is not like a pregnancy test where, you know, you can test, you could test a man

or a woman and you know whether they're pregnant or not, like, or there's a problem with the man, you know, that there's, they've got, um, like a tumour. But as opposed to the PCR tests, all these rat tests that they do, you can test an orange, you can test motor oil, you can test ice cream, and it's coming back positive. Is that saying that the item has COVID-19? But you can't do the same with, you know, like a pregnancy test. That would never come back positive on an orange or a, you know, what have you. These are the most rubbish, useless tests and that was part of the spread of what spread around. Yeah, well, yeah, the PCR, yeah, the testing, I mean, just about, you know,

any string I pull on at this point when it comes to COVID, you just realize how much bad science or lack of science or lack of anything is behind it, right? And it keeps coming out in government testimonies and freedom of information requests, just how bad the information truly. truly is and was in order to, you know, just pick on anything, the mandates to the lockdowns, to the, you know, the COVID past, to mask wearing and on and on and on it goes. This virus thing, you know, like when, when I hear you talk about it, I think, and once again, I don't know if this is right, but I'm, I'm guess I'll throw another thought at you. You know, it's like you get sick.

It's like, so the common thought today is. is okay, what supplement to medicine do you need to get you back on the right footing, you know, to heal you as fast as you can't? And what you're, I think, explaining to me and my brain is trying to grasp it, but for some reason, you know, I'm sure I got audience members just screaming at the radio by now. I'm sitting there and I'm going, okay, so if I get sick with, I don't even care, the flu or whatever, you know, you're going to say that it's actually not the flu it's something to do with what you're doing in life and stress is a huge part of it I've ran too many live shows uh dr Bailey where at the end of it I've just ran myself ragged for too long

stress everything and a whole numerous things start going on with my body and I completely get that I'm like actually that makes a ton of sense I probably haven't been drinking enough water I probably have been not sleeping properly there's probably 17 other things that I can't even fathom going on The rest of the time though, if you're in a relatively stress-free life, I don't even know what that looks like, but you know, I'm with three kids and everything else. But let's just assume you're, you know, just a regular normal day and you come down with something. Then in your opinion, what does one do to counteract it? Yeah. Yeah. Well, first, so I always think about why it happened. And that's sometimes the hardest thing to unpick because sometimes you don't know.

You're trying to figure out why this happened. It's not a, the body doesn't make mistakes. That was a big revelation I took in the last four years is the body never makes mistakes. There's a reason behind it. So my usual advice is you don't need any supplements. We don't take any, we try and live an example of what you can do.

You don't have to do anything special. There's no money you have to buy, you know, spend on to get the perfect. health but you do have to pay attention to lots of different things so I think it's in the situation of having a flu you do what your body is trying to tell you to do it's rest stop eating it's the biggest mistake is people try and eat their way out of it and it's it's the worst thing you can do you've got to fast basically and have water or diluted citrus drinks and rest let your body recover this is the healing time this is your body trying to

to get rid of the gunk that it's built up, the toxins. And when I say toxins, I'm talking, these are real, like the body creates waste products that it needs to get rid of. And our own thinking, I mean, this is what is incredible, is that thinking is incredibly important because your own thinking can create these essentially waste products in the body

that build up. And if you don't let it happen, If you don't, I guess, let the body be able to express the filth and the toxic waste, that's how cancer's build up. That's because the body essentially walls off areas where it's a problem, where it's a buildup of waste products. And again, you start going down lots of different rabbit holes of how and why you get sick. And going back to the before part is incredibly important.

Where does your water come from? Does it have fluoride in it? Does it have chlorine in it? You know, where does your, what are you eating? Is the vegetables, are they sprayed with glyphosate? These are, we are, just these chemicals and environmental toxins everywhere. And you have to be quite vigilant about what they've done

to the food supply. It's been completely adulterated, so we're not eating what our ancestors used to eat. And all those things are incredibly important of what you put into your body. What you put on your body, chemicals, you know, shampoos, moisturises, sunscreen, I mean, it goes on and on and on of all the things that we're bathing our bodies in and avoiding things like the sunshine and, you know, sunlight, being outside in nature where we're supposed to be. LED lighting, you know, it just, there's so many things you have to think about of what you can do to improve your health.

but I do think the thinking is one of the most important because we're all guilty of that. I am myself where if I get sick, I really think, what's been going on for me? Have I been getting enough sleep? And often the answer is no. And, you know, what have I been doing wrong? And once you remedy that, then your body just goes back to where it should be, the baseline of health. I'm curious your thoughts on the concept of shedding then, you know, from the vaccine. vaccine specifically. There's been a lot of talk about, while shedding in general, I've had

on several different doctors who've talked about it, especially the more a person gets vaccinated, the ability of the body to secrete that and for others to pick it up, do you subscribe to that? Are you not interested in that at all? We've made other videos on this topic as well because we've been asked a lot. Again, This is an offshoot, shedding is an offshoot of germ theory, this concept of contagion that somehow people can infect you with something and you can become sick from it. It's impossible again, it's not been shown in studies. And I'm not saying that people don't get sick, you know, who are around others that have been vaccinated. But do you know, I instinctively, I think it's wrong

because it's anti-human. Like, it's just anti-everything that, like, I was pregnant, you know, in 2021, when all this stuff about shedding is going on. And I know other people that were pregnant that were saying, I don't want to be around vaccine people because I don't want to get their vaccine or whatever, toxic. And I made a point of never doing that

because I think it's, I think there's something so wrong with it, Sean, like, where you can't touch someone, you think that there's something wrong with. Well, and you go back to the stress you were talking about. And as soon as you start to go with an anti-human viewpoint or, you know, if I walk around X person that I might get infected with whatever they have and certainly let's pick on the vaccinated, then you're living your life from a very stressful point of view. And you can understand how that can affect your mental health. And then by comparison, you're just your overall health. And certainly that makes sense to me.

I have a, you know, like some of them I'm like, okay, that, that, I get how you can, you can get there. One of the things that happened last summer was my wife's from Minnesota. So we went down there as a family. We go down there every July. And two of my son, two of my kids, sorry, got hand, foot and mouth. And then, you know, basically the thing with hand foot and mouth is how contagious it is and everything else. And I was like, well, listen, I'm going to go hang out with my kids. I'm not going to not go around them.

And like I'm not going to make them feel bad for having hand, foot, and mouth. That's an insane thought. And so I went around them. And then I got hand foot and mouth. And so three of the five of us got hand foot and mouth. Now, then our family had to drive home. And my oldest son and my wife never ever got any of it. But the three of us got hand foot and mouth.

And it was like a pretty insane ordeal. you know because I hear hand, foot, mouth. I'm like, okay, what is that? Right? Well, literally my finger, every fingernail I had peeled off, my toenails peeled off, heels my feet peeled off, everything peeled. I was just like, this is, this is insane. So when you hear that story, what do you think?

You think of, well, what environment were you in? Or, and I'm just curious more than anything. Yeah, so I often don't know if you want to go there. Sure, I know. That's what I ask. yeah so this is going to your your wife's family's place was it yes yeah is that where you're going to your wife's family's place yep yeah i don't know i don't know all the different things that are going on for you like but i i sometimes i think is that a stressful situation going into the

the in-law's family's place driving a long distance um with three kids um you know the whole shebang of doing that, being around in a strange place with, you know, different foods that you're eating under their time restrictions, whatever that, you know, that they put on you. Like, often there's, there's lots of things going on that we don't even want to kind of acknowledge and maybe it might not have been so stressed. I love how, I love how I'm making Dr. Bailey a little uncomfortable because she's like, I'm going to comment on the man's in-laws and I don't know how I can put, you can't offend me over here. I would say it would be no secret that traveling a long distance to go see your in-laws, even if you love the in-laws, and I do love my

in-laws, I just mean even if, even if you didn't, the fact you're loading up three children to drive a very long distance, yeah, you're out of routine, environment differences, all those things probably factor into it. To me, it just seems, it just seems weird that it would all But then, okay, so then what your theory would say is we, right now, my family live in a routine here in Alberta, and by transplanting us all at the same time for an extended period of time to my wife's, um, uh, childhood, uh, area. Families. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. I don't know why that's so hard to spit out. That we're putting our bodies under a similar stress and our bodies because they're in the same environment year around. we would react similar. Is that what you're alluding to? Am I even remotely close in that?

Yeah, no, definitely, John. And like, maybe it didn't affect your wife because it's from her childhood family and she is more comfortable, you know, and I'm not saying that is any kind of dispatch towards you. Like I just mean it's... You really don't have to worry about offending me. I'm generally curious on your thoughts on it.

Because to me, I've been wrestling with hand, foot and mouth, you know like is it shedding is there is there is there other things that go on there and it shouldn't surprise anybody that minnesota is a blue state like it's very blue and take from that what you will and so you go like i i don't know i i look at it and i go that was super weird like that why didn't that happen in lloyd you know like why because hand foot and mouth has went around our area quite a bit my wife's a teacher and you know there's lots of different things that go around her areas all the time sometimes you get it sometimes you don't i don't fully understand that then you go traveling and you get something that's not a common cough it's hand, foot, and mouth and you're like,

what on earth? Why would that be? Yeah, and like, so the body only has so many ways that it can eliminate toxins. So this is this idea of, you know, when you're under stress, when you're, you sleep's different, the food's different, all these other things. You're just, your overall resilience to your body needing to have a kind of a healing crisis, you know, it goes down. You can see yourself going to get sick. And like skin is a classic one where it will start peeling and start, your body is just trying to get rid of, you know, rubbish basically. And the other classic way is, yeah, through cough and colds, through diarrhea, urine, or sweat.

that's the normal ways that you're trying to get rid of it. But when you get to a certain buildup, there's only one thing that can happen. And, you know, it can be, it's hard because you're trying to think about, well, yeah, like you say, was it shedding or something? No, it's not. It's not from something. I think the hardest aspect to come to terms with is our own pride is thinking that we're not responsible, that something's happened to us. It's never the case. It's something we have done. And that is sometimes, like I think back, Sean, to times when I was sick. Like I had glandular fever when I was a student. I was 18,

trying to get into medical school. It was the first time living away from home, different food, started drinking. I was, you know, and, you know, I was doing, I had a horrendous lifestyle and I'm stressed out of my mind trying to study and up all night. And I'm not surprised. that I got, you know, glandular fever because my body was under all sorts of stress. It can only handle so much. And this is, you start reflecting back on things that happened. And you go, well, if it wasn't a virus, hand foot and mouth, I guess the condition, whatever that is, is a real, you had real symptoms. You were, you were really sick. I'd not ever trying to discount that. But the reason for it is not a virus that's contagious. It's other that.

And that's what's interesting is when you look at conditions like chicken pox, smallpox, you know, herpes, these are all kind of on this interesting spectrum, you know, that you call chicken pox, for example, become smallpox when it's more severe. That's basically their definition. They say it happens in different places. But when I think back to being a doctor and I used to see patients with chicken pox, it was always a diagnosis of exclusion, meaning I'd go through lots of other things and if I wasn't quite sure I'd say, oh yeah, it's probably chicken pox and people would go away quite happily with that diagnosis and you would have 10 doctors with the same patient come up with a different thing. You know, like there's no there's no magic to this. It's just this arbitrary cut off of how you're defining and classifying illness.

And that was another thing I thought was, you know, I used to think it was very scientific about medicine and it's not. It's actually very arbitrary and why, you know, when you think about it, how different were your symptoms versus your kids? Like, where did you have exactly the same symptoms? It's funny. I feel like, you know, I've invited the audience into a Sean ask about his family doctor episode. But it's funny. I just, to me, it's so, it's happened.

So my daughter and I had almost identical symptoms. hands all peeled, nails all fell off everything, feet, fingers. And the level of peeling on the hands and feet was, I didn't realize that could happen. I didn't realize the body could peel that way. And it both lasted for us probably upwards of three or four months, like until the symptoms started to disappear. And my youngest son who got it, it lasted like two days and it was gone. Like, I was like really impressed.

I'm like, how come? come he gets off easy you know it's like what's that a bug and um although i was very happy for him and uh and then my oldest didn't have anything right and so back then my son would you know it would have been seven seven six and three i suppose that would have been the age groups and the six and three year old along with me all got the same thing and you know like uh yeah like i don't know i don't know if the symptoms all showed it was extremely painful we each got a fever the night before one one night of a fever where you felt awful and then after that you didn't have the fever anymore but it was the the physical manifestation of it I guess where it came out on your

hands peeling your toenails falling off your toenails falling off my feet killed it hurt to walk and it was just um well it wasn't a fun thing to go through you know and and it's extremely i don't know is it rare or or just like unique like it wasn't uh you know once again like a one day flu where you or and I don't know you know like where where you get the feeder and you're knocked out and you you rest and you maybe eat a little chicken broth and you carry on with life right it was a lot different than that sorry that's my kids just crashing in yeah yeah exactly so yeah I think with the symptoms and things obviously they're real and they're really severe it also makes me think about like yeah if you had been exposed to any other types of things on your on your

skin itself that that were different but maybe it wasn't the case like for your feet and everything to peel so drastically as they did but i mean it's it's sometimes it's really hard to actually try and elucidate why something happened and also if it is i know because i used to see patients with hand foot and mouth the idea of being so contagious why doesn't your wife Why doesn't your other son get it? Shouldn't they all get it? Shouldn't your whole family like the you know extended family also get it And this this is the this is the problem with the idea of contagion we sort of accept Certain elements and we make excuses for others other parts of it and go oh well I don't know they went around it as much or and it doesn't make any sense and it's because it

It's wrong it it's not how we get sick or why we get sick. That's not how a disease or it's not how disease or it's illness happens. I tell you, you know, I don't know about the audience member, but sitting here, I've talked to countless doctors. And just when I think I'm starting to grasp certain things, I have a Dr. Sam Bailey come on and give me more things to think about where I'm like, I don't have to do some reading again. Oh boy, here we go.

We're going down a new one. And this is fascinating is the word that comes to my mind. mind, right? Because I think, you know, when it comes to our bodies, there's a lot of things that certainly we can do differently to improve health. It doesn't shock me, you know, what you put in it is kind of what you get out. I've talked to different people, you know, I think of Dr. Sean Baker, when it comes to like the carnivore diet and different things like that and how you can just see immense improvement when you cut out a bunch of the junk, right? And that shouldn't shock anyone. And yet in today's age, you know, it's written off as like this fringe idea when it's like, literally, if you improve the quality of food going in your body, chances are your health is going to improve.

That shouldn't shock anyone. And yet where we're at today, that does, you know. I guess before I let you out of here, so we're talking about, you know, viruses, how they, well, just I guess in general. When you go to the vaccine, other than do not put that in your body, have you given it much more thought of some of the things that it is, you know, linked to the cancers of the world, myocarditis and all these different doctors coming out explaining, you know, like there's some real bad stuff going on with it. Do you even worry about it?

Are you like, well, listen, just don't put it in your body and carry on with life? Or is there more to it on your end? Yeah, like our focus has really been unraveling biology to say there's no reason to have any vaccine. Like we don't, and I come from this as I used to take all the vaccines. So 2020 was my massive wake-up to vaccines as well, like all sorts of stuff. And I'll admit I gave oldest two kids, you know, childhood vaccines and I felt sick about, you know, I still feel horrible about that I did that without looking at

into it and so our philosophy I guess is upstream where we say you don't need to give any of these things because they're all toxic what what it happens to different people is just a manifestation of different of their own I guess what they respond to with toxic bombs going off in their bodies and I don't I'm a big I don't like pushing particular protocols or supplements or any of the stuff I think you should be able to do everything yourself as nature and God intended. That's my own philosophy. But I do think there are some things you can do, particularly with, we've made a video on this, about getting rid of aluminium from, you know, which is a common adjuvant that's added to lots

of vaccines. You can take high silica water, which is, so you can get different, have different products across the world. I think a common one is Fiji water has high silica water in it you know high silica content basically it combines with the aluminium and passes out through the urine because one of the big problems with aluminium and vaccines is that when it's injected into the body it can't be gotten rid of it goes to the brain and to the bone and it stays there and this is why i think a lot of people are getting sick with conditions like parkinson's and other various um and in neurology conditions because of the build-up of these very toxic heavy metals in the body. But one of the ways you can detox is through this high silica water protocol.

And that's something you can just buy. We did it with our own kits. We gave them a three-month course of taking a glass of 250 mils of high silica water once a day. But other, in terms of protocols with dealing with myocarditis or you know tumour cancers and things I I don't have you've got to deal with the individual and try you know there's lots of things you need to you're trying to reduce your toxic burden is essentially the one of the the fundamental overviews of it but our advice is you don't need vaccines because there's nothing there's no such thing as viruses and

there's you can't get sick infectious diseases so you don't need to worry about any of that stuff. So it's reducing fear. And I think if you reduce people's fear, then their health massively improves. This may come as a curveball, I'm not sure. But do you have faith? Do you believe in God? Yes. Yes. We became Christians as well. That was another wake-up for us in 2020. We were atheists before that. And yeah, we became Christian. Well, the reason I ask is I had this nagging in the back of my head. You've said a couple things. I'm like, oh, I should probably ask.

Because, you know, one of the things that gave me a real peace of mind was opening up the Bible, starting to read, starting to pray, and I've told the story lots. And so that's what I started doing. And wouldn't you know what? It felt like, I don't know, the level of peace in life, when you talk about removing fear, there's a spiritual aspect to that as well. and certainly seen that at full work. And so when I hear you talk, you know, about trying to reduce the fear.

Finding God along the way sure helps. Definitely, Sean. And, you know, for me personally, the wake-up was the realization that there's, I didn't really believe in Satan. I thought that that was fictional. Like, I thought that that seemed just, I don't know, crazy. But when you see the level of evil in the world, I thought, oh my gosh, that's not, he is something. This is real.

And what is the counter to that is Jesus? And that was my way into becoming a Christian. But before that, you know, I've always been very science and very reductionist. And I realize you can't do that. And like, say, reducing the fear is so important. and that's what I hope. Because the other thing, which might, I always say to people, but I think you might enjoy this, Sean,

is that, you know, Jesus didn't believe in germ theory. He understood with the lepers and that. There's nothing you need to be worried about. That's funny. Jesus didn't believe in germ theory. That could be a T-shirt for you, Dr. Bailey, right there. I appreciate you coming on and doing this. I can't put my finger on where we go from here, folks.

Maybe there's a follow-up conversation. Maybe there's a group conversation because putting you in the likes of Renee, Deney, sorry, Renee, Deney Rancourt, but I'm thinking Byron and Brought on. I'm thinking a whole bunch. I'm like, I wonder if there's a way to pull off something there. Offline, we'll have a chat about that. Either way, appreciate you giving me some time this morning. You've found a way to tax my brain to maybe make me do some more reading and think about some things.

And I don't know where that takes me, but I always enjoy something that is thought provoking nonetheless. And I don't know. I don't know what people think about it. But one of the things I do appreciate is I don't feel, you know, it's like you're just explaining where you are at. And there's something disarming about just having a conversation, hearing these thoughts out and going, Hmm, that's something. And it actually aligns, not aligns. It actually makes sense in parts and other parts now I have had these conversations with doctors saying,

I'm not going to say there's no viruses out there. And I'm like, oh, all right. I don't know where that came from. But certainly adding your conversation to the mix really starts to make that, those comments come kind of full circle or maybe under the microscope a little bit. I just appreciate today's conversation. You give me some time on an early morning. in New Zealand. So thank you so much for hopping on.

Oh thank you Sean. It's been such a pleasure. You've got a lovely disarming way of talking as well and I really think it's it's wonderful that you're open enough to explore different ideas because I think that's the biggest hurdle we've found is just sometimes it's just going with it even when you sometimes think I don't know where this is going to take me it actually leads you to a better place and thank you very much for your time.