Shaun Newman Podcast - #679 - Attempt on Trump

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

We discuss all things in regards to the attempt on Donald Trump’s Life. I’m joined by Daniel Bulford, James Sinclair and Chuck Prodonick. Daniel Bulford is a former RCMP Officer who spent 8 years on the Emergency Response Team in Ottawa where his primary duties were supporting the protection of the Prime Minister. Jamie Sinclair spent 34 years in the Canadian Military, current member of the Royal Regina Rifles, he served with the Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry and two commando airborne regiment and served in 4 tours overseas. Chuck Prodonick is a Retired Sergeant from the Canadian Military who served with the Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry, served in four tours overseas and spent 9 years working in the Alberta prison system. Let me know what you think. Text me 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone] – and be sure to let them know you’re an SNP listener.

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Today marks, well, today would mark day 19. We've been on the road. And this was a podcast that was not on the docket. As you can tell, you know, it's recorded two nights ago, maybe three nights ago now. It was Monday night. Regardless with Trump, the attempt on Trump's life, Well, we did a live stream on it because I was sitting there talking, you know, I was like, how close did we come to Civil War?

Like, was it an inch? Like, I mean, and what does Civil War look like, you know? I have no clue. But certainly along the road, seeing the news reports come out and then watching the videos and everything else, we did, you know, talk to some of the boys I know. obviously the avid podcast listener knows Chuck and Jamie and Danny Bulford and so with their immense amount of experience we put this one together

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The first is a former RC&P officer who spent eight years on the emergency response team in Ottawa where his primary duties were supporting the protection of the prime minister. The second, 34 years in the Canadian military. Current member of the Royal Regina Rifles, he served with the Princess Patricia's Light Infantry and two Commando Airborne Regiment and served in four tours overseas. The third, a retired sergeant from the Canadian military who served with the Princess Patricia's Light Infantry, served in four tours overseas, and spent nine years working in the Alberta Correction System. I'm talking about Daniel Bulford, James Sinclair, and Chuck Brodnick.

So buckle up, here we go. Well, welcome to the Shaw Newman podcast. Tonight's going to be a little interesting. I've never had these three gentlemen on before, and certainly if you've been following me, I've been on some escapades. We're sitting currently in Boise, Idaho. And I thought there would be nothing that would really pull me back to the surface as I take the month of July off to be with my wife and kids.

And we've been on a family road trip. But obviously over the last couple days, some things have happened. And I was like, man, I started texting. And I'm like, I should just put something together. We should go on and allow people to hear some of the thoughts. from these three gentlemen. So I'm going to bring them all in, give them a couple of minutes

to introduce themselves to you, fine folks. I'm sure if you're a follower of the podcast, you already know who they are. But either way, we'll give them a little bit of time to just everybody get used to them. And then from there, we're going to talk about the attempt on Donald Trump's life

and see what these guys, with their backgrounds, their extensive backgrounds, have to say about it. So I'm going to bring in Chuck Prodnick, Jamie Sinclair, and Daniel Bulford. We'll start with Chuck. Thanks for joining me tonight.

I guess, boys, is where I probably should start. So thanks for hopping on tonight. And we'll start with Chuck Prodnick. Just a quick overview of your background, Chuck, if you so, or if you would like to do. And then we'll go to Jamie and then to Dan and then we'll get into it. Yeah. I'm Chuck. I did some Army stuff years ago.

You all know me if you listen to Sean's stuff. So I'm not going to waste time with that. So it's just Chuck. Nice hat, by the way, Chuck. I was looking for a Trump hat tonight. I couldn't find one. So, Jamie, your background. Yeah, so everybody knows my story too.

I do have some experience in private security. 2003, I think, or 94, we were in Croatia. Chuck was in Bosnia. And we had to prepare for Kretchen's tour. So I do have some experience in the Army side of things, not as much so as our next guest. It's got probably the most experience at it. So, yeah, I know it's going to be interesting talking about what's going on here.

And if my voice is crackly, it's because I was drinking all night at the Great Blue, which was awesome. So next year, you guys are mad enough. Come on out because it's one hell of a good show they put out here in Craven. Dan. 15-year Danny Beauford, 15-year RCMP officer, the last. Eight years, I was a full-time sniper for the RCMP based out of Ottawa, and most of the time I was doing counter-sniper duties, just like the Secret Service guys that everyone has seen in the videos now. So everybody knows, first, you know, I'll say it again. Thanks for joining me tonight, guys. You know, I watched the video. Like, when it first got text to me, I'm sure you boys all have your story.

But I was like, what? And then I watched it. I'm like, this is insane. And then I'm like, is this real? Like, is this actually like a real, legit video? And I probably went through all the same stages as most people. And then you start to see the information start to spill out. And you're like, this makes zero sense. But I'm just a common man who sits there and stares at Twitter. I'm curious your guys' take on what you saw. And from now on, it's a roundtable.

So feel free. Whoever wants to hop in. I just want to discuss it and see what your guys' thoughts are. Dan, you should take this from the counterfeit. I'd like to hear from your side of the counter, sniper stopped right away about it. Okay, so same thing. When I first heard about it, I was driving and my wife started reading me, like, posts that were happening online. And she told me that Trump had been shot at.

And sounds like he had been hit, but like he was alive. And I was like, oh, God. Because I think, you know, with the current state of the United States, my first thought was like, if, if someone takes out Trump, it's going to be a bad scene down there. Yeah. But, you know, thankfully he wasn't. But when I saw, basically, based on everything that I've seen so far, overhead imagery and the videos from the ground level, even the video where you see Trump take it in the ear,

and you can even see the snipers in the background up on the roof in behind him, you know, when I see the sniper, like he's down on the gun, right? And he's looking through the scope. And then you see him kind of pick up his head real briefly. And then he gets right back down on the, like, it's like that first shot comes from the, or maybe, maybe even more than one, but definitely at least the first couple from the hostile sniper. He like gets back down on the gun right away. And you even see like his rifle, like recoil. Like he's got it sitting in a hog saddle, right?

Yeah. On the top of his tripod, like a shooting stand. And so you see him down on the gun. He lifts up his head. He gets back down and then you see his gun recoil right away. And I know there's been a lot of talk about why was there. a delay in why they took the shot if he was on the gun and good question i mean i i want to know the answer to that too but the only thing i can think of like if i put myself in that guy's position

you know you have to remember he has to make a positive target identification before he can pull that trigger right because i mean just think like first of all he might like he might have been trying to positively identify like what am i looking at like he obviously know that something is over there that could be a potential threat but he has to confirm it before he can engage right yeah and so I think maybe that's why you see him kind of pick his head up off of the scope to kind of get like maybe like a broader view the big picture yeah yeah and then all of a sudden it's obvious like with the how fast he gets back down on the gun and fires like he got his confirmation that he needed um because it just think like think of the scenario if the

guy wasn't armed or even if it wasn't even a person like you see something that could be a potential threat because someone radios it in or whatever and you take a shot and it's not a lethal threat that you're shooting at in the middle of a trump rally like you're you're going to be in some hot water as the shooter right so positive target ID is is a is kind of where my head's at as to like that's the sequence of events that you see with that counter snifference I think he's trying to confirm what he's looking at and then he realizes what's happening. So many people jumped on him right away. Like we all saw people jumping on the Secret Service, jumping on the sniper team especially.

And like Dan says, they've got to go with, he's got an earpiece in. He's listening to how many nets. I don't know. Like how many different. At least two. At least two different channels. Yeah. Exactly.

So he's, he also probably knows the plan better than anyone that that staging area for the middle tier middle ring of security where all the law enforcement are supposed to stage out of is right there so he's he's got to wait for positive ID like dan just said or he's going to take a life that he's not supposed to and you can't just he's that's not what snipers do so i feel for the guys up on that rooftop not to get in any i'm not going to get into the conspiracies theories about him being told not to or all that other stuff that's going out there right now people can look that shit up. But just from a purely mechanical function of what those guys do,

like he's got to have positive ID. And if he's getting the wrong stuff in the area, the other side of it too is people are saying, well, the other cops on the ground in the area were told like three or four minutes out, there's a dude on the roof with them. Those guys needed to be the boots on the ground to go check it. Not the sniper.

It's not the sniper's job. Well, that's a point, Chuck. Like, it never should have got to the sniper. It shouldn't have got to the snake. There was eyewitnesses telling the cops that there was a guy crawling up on the roof that took two minutes to get across to his shooting position. That cop that was told that there's a guy that got on the roof, he must not have sent that to command.

Because once that would have been reported, Trump would have been off that stage before the guy even would have got to his shooting position. There never would have been any shots fired. And they probably would have arrested the guy. So the failure is in this situation, and we all know securities and onion, the failure is that that police officer did not radio what he was seeing. Because what I would have got to a command post, I'm sure the secret service have a guy in the police command post,

and they would have said, pull Trump off the stage, get him in the fucking truck and out of there. So this, yeah, the snipers took some time to identify, identify what they were looking at. But going back three years ago in that same area, there's eyewitness accounts where they went to a rally there on every rooftop there's a police officer or something. Okay, so did Trump's detail get reduced because he's going through all the court stuff?

I know the government or there were some people saying that they're going to pull his security detail away from him. Is this a private security detail? is this actually secret service. So that's secret service, but apparently because Jill Biden had a, Jill Biden had an event that night, a lot of his regular service was pulled to her event

and he got a bunch of, I don't want to say B team, but I'm going to say that a lot of the stuff on the ground look very B team to me. But B team, Chuck. But B team. I mean, we all watched it. It was B team. Yeah, it was B team bullshit.

But even that though, Chuck, They had enough police officers to put, like there wasn't that many buildings there. They could have had a police officer. Oh, I agree. They could have. They definitely could have. The other part to the sniper thing, and I wasn't a sniper just for clarification, um, those, those two snipers did have some elevation, but where the, where the

assassin sniper was, he was on the reverse slope of a sloped roof. I don't think he showed his full, showed himself as a target until the very end. And that's when I think, like Dan was saying, you could see that the pair of those snipers really starting to go for up and down, like, okay, maybe I see him now. And then the shooting started. I don't think they had, they knew what was being talked about on the net and where it was being talked about.

But I don't think they could see him until he crested that peak. You know, that's my opinion. It's hard to say from aerial photographs and whatever you can see from it. But those two guys are getting a lot of grief that I don't think they deserve to get. We can talk about the other people that deserve some grief we can talk about. Yeah, that's consistent with kind of what I was thinking. Like, I mean, I'm not on the ground. I'm not looking through the scope from his position.

I don't know what it looks like unless I'm there, right? Yeah. So it's hard to critique, but like it definitely, like he's, he's trying to find something when he's on the scope. And like you said, he kind of gophers up, realizes what's going on, and then he gets down and engages right away. So I kind of suspect you're right, like he's he's trying to find the find and identify the threat and as soon as he does he engages so

and what a shot i mean those snap shooting that's a snap shooting course right there like that guy just you know i only think he took one he might have taken more but that yeah i'm not sure right away yeah but i only saw the the rifle recoil one time but um but i mean again we're we're trying to piece together what could have happened based off like patchy footage um Does anybody know that? For me, the big question is like, how the hell did that guy get into that position to begin with? Right? Like, broad daylight, super close.

Like, really, like within 150 yards, right? In broad daylight, he's dressed in civby clothing, packing a rifle. And I, multiple eyewitnesses see him crawling up on a roof. And they're like yelling, guy on the roof with a gun. So my experience, I've worked with a secret server. service multiple times for Obama, for Trump, for Pence a couple times. And like, they roll pretty heavy. You know what I mean?

Like, again, though, I don't know what their detail is for Trump right now because he's a, he's a former president and a candidate. But when it's the actual president or the VP, like, it's a big, big package. And they are not afraid to spend money and to use resources. Like they would come up to Canada. They'd come up to Ottawa. and we would throw like everything we had at it. We'd bring in extra people from all over the country to beef up the team.

Yeah. And they would still want more. And they'd like, nope, it's not good enough to have all these positions covered. We need a helicopter up in the air too. It's like, okay, we'll get a helicopter up in the air. Get two more snipers. Let's go. Yeah.

So they don't usually mess around very much when it comes to their protectees. And another thing I feel. like I should say about those like those tactical guys like those tactical law enforcement guys every every guy I've met from the states that like is a sniper or a tactical guy or or military guy like they love Trump yeah he's their guy yeah so I find it pretty hard to believe that the snipers or anybody that's like kind of in the tactical world would allow that would deliberately allow that to happen to him 100% but I mean I considering the past what's happened in the past with other presidents and presidential candidates like i don't think it's outside

the realm of possibility for people to suspect that there could have been other things at play to help the shooter get to his position and that's i think where we're all kind of leaning the same direction with i mean we've all seen that movie shooter with mark walberg yeah and uh he's put up in that building to kind of watch things as the event is playing out and then there's the dirty couple cops there and it only takes a couple dirty ones who've been payrolled out or they've got some dirt on them and it only takes one that's what they're going to be doing i was going through that police officer's file yeah well they have to yeah yeah they have to that one guy could have stopped at all he never would he never would have got the shooting position no he's important in it i mean jamie you

probably know as many american vets as i know i'm keeping contact with and every one of those guys knows Trump's got to get back in or their country's done. I talked to vets from over the world all the time and they know. It could be done if he doesn't get in. That's what's stake is democracy. Yeah.

But going back to like even the bad guy, like the guy that shot Trump, he was using a 5-5-6. It was 140-meter shot. And we've all been on like, you know, on a range. And like he basically missed. three inches left or right.

And that was just due to lack of experience shooting in wind. It's a fact of fucking God that Trump got hit in the ear and not right between the lookers. Yeah. Another thing is he, like we were taught in the Canadian Army that the light switch is right below the nose. And so he would have, you know, it would have killed him. Like if he would square in the face.

So we're just thankful that he wasn't experienced. And the process that he went through to make himself look like a Republican, you know, having to, you know, be a registered Republican, buying that bunker branding T-shirts. So he looks like he's part of a gun club. Like he, you know, he went all out. But I'd like to know in that part of the states. Are they, is that a Democrat?

state that he was shot in? It's a swing state. It's a swing state. Pennsylvania. Is that cop, like I would be focusing pretty hard on what he did or she did. And like for the and for people that aren't big shooters out there

that are listening like 100 meters 200 meters like as a basic infantry guy, your basic qualifications are 300 meters and under. So I mean that's not a difficult shot. It's it's I might I shouldn't say it's not a difficult shot if you're been to a range a little bit and have the motivation, you could do it.

And he clearly, this kid must have had some range time because that's not just a shot you pull off with no experience. But like, and that leads to the next part with the sniper team up there. They're not looking for near a threat. And 100 meters to them is a near threat. That's not a, that's not a, their engagement range for these guys is 500 plus, more like 700 and out is what these guys are looking at. You know, Dan can speak better to that.

than I can but all the snipers I've worked with in any other kind of cord and that's what they're set there to do is look for the far threat not the near threat is the is the mid range and and inner security guys that's what they're looking at not the guy in the roof on and 20 meters away well that that guy could have been the the sniper for that range no to chuck like uh yeah um there's not going to be just one sniper team there no no but yeah so like he you've got to have a sharpshooter that that is watching those rooftops and such and they can reach out and touch them, especially if there's nobody occupying those roofs. Yeah.

So that team would have like a list of targets, you know, target one, two, you know, suspected ranges. Already all the data would have been collected for all their different where they think, you know, somebody could shoot from, right? Yeah, you'd make a, like, well, my practice was I, as soon as I'd get into position, I'd make a range card. Yeah. Right. And have all my different like landmarks listed in the, the distance and my dope for each, for each target.

So that it could be, if I had to make a hasty engagement, we could do it pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been, that sniper's role is that intercord. There would have been other guys watching, you know, I was going, right? Yeah. I want to, Queens detail.

and the queen's detail actually had a sniper that was put inside of a you know like at a football game how they put that foam around a camera so you know if it gets hit it protects the player yeah so they have they actually made a camera look like like they made a sniper position inside of one of those camera things and he was on a swivel so as the as the queen was walking around like that camera was really a guy of the gun and And he's watching every person that that's around that queen. So, like, they do things like that. So not to give away secrets or go through all that's. When you're crazy like a wild fox, right? Like, you're always, you always got to think about how, like, how motivated your enemy is and what would they do? So you're always prepared to, you've got to outthink the other guy, right? So.

What worries me is, I don't think this kid had to worry. And I shouldn't say a kid, but this idiot didn't really have to think anybody. The worrisome part to me is they didn't really sneak in with a fake badge or he didn't, you know, he didn't beat some security system. He literally walked into where the staging area for the cops were and mounted a roof with a ladder that wasn't barricaded or removed. That goes back to that guy, Chuck, that cop that was told that this guy had a gun going up on a roof and took him to me. minutes the traverse to where he was shooting. Yeah. Like it would have been all over if that one cop,

but he did his job. Yeah. Well, wasn't, isn't that what makes the story so bizarre, though, guys, is like you got a building.

I don't know much about, uh, uh, that's why I bring you guys on, right? Of securing, uh, the premises,

but I go like, you got a building rooftop with a site line of where Trump's going to be talking. And you go, that, that seems extremely. odd. And, you know, you'd mentioned, Dan, like, you know, it was almost too close for for the sniper detail to be looking at. I was wondering if you could just explain that a little more

to me because I'm like, oh, okay, so you're looking, like, where, if you're sitting in the middle of nowhere, you know, certainly you got some buildings out there, but like, this isn't the middle of New York City where you're looking, I don't know, windows and the towers and different things. Like, there's only a few different spots. I feel like. But maybe you could enlighten me on like where would you be looking then from your perch? Well, if that was me, like you're going to have your dedicated arc, right? Your dedicated arc of fire, that's your responsibility. You know, your left of arc and your right of arc and everything in between.

And, you know, from all kinds of different distances. You know, let's say, you know, if I'm thinking downtown Ottawa, I'm going to be looking like, I'm going to be trying to look about like, let's say, a thousand. meters out and anything in from that because i mean if if you're coming up against a hostile sniper that can make a thousand meter shot he's probably a trained sniper who's probably not going to be seen anyway right because he's going to be shooting from a concealed position um so then but you're looking at you're looking at rooftops you're looking at anything that like an open window or anything where someone could possibly be hiding themselves like a bush line anything right and you're gonna you're

going to be just constantly. Your job is to be on the opposite. Constantly scanning your area of responsibility for anything. And it's not just even a person, like a suspicious vehicle, a suspicious package, anything. That's what I would, that's what I used to do.

Yeah. When we we did the G8 in Kananaskis when Bush was the president and so our battalion was out there for outer security and mid-range and inner, my platoon was inner security, not like secret service inner, but like the next like fuzzy layer

out there. And our whole job was to patrol with the RCMP and beat the bush so that if we kicked up anybody that had snuck in, the snipers then had, you know, we're basically hound dogs 24-7 for the week we were out there. Because it's like you just said, Sean, it's not all buildings out there. It was at the resort in Canaanascus. So it's all mountains and streams and tree lines. It's all forested so that's very like you look at the aerial photographs of where he was in pennsylvania very similar like tree lines fields some outbuildings but it's it's a tough spot and that that shooter went to the best vantage point really there was and took his took his shots and had the time to do it which is scary you can't just you just said chuck

that point should have been covered yeah i keep going back to the cop that could have stopped at all But from the previous, you know, people that were at those rallies in the same area, three years ago, every rooftop had a police officer on it. This time there's nobody. So, you know, there's something going on there with his detail. And there's a reason why those nobody put police officers on those roofs. Like, as the advanced team would get to there before Trump even got there, all that stuff's already set up. Like, you got there in position. They know where they're like you're saying in your arcs.

But they got to know their weaknesses. And like you said, that was like debatical. So that would be a very watched or looked over piece of property. But obviously there's a failure on the ground. And I feel it's not the secret service. I feel it's the police officers that dropped the ball in the situation. The next thing, so we beat the sniper thing to death. No pun intended.

but the like I think we understand I think we all can agree on some level that the failure wasn't the snipers in my opinion anyway I don't think they I think they did exactly what they were supposed to do and when they were supposed to do it for the best possible outcome which Chevron should never have got to that point and I think we all I think we all feel that way but the reaction of his immediate detail to come to his aid there's a lot of chatter all over the media about how how that reaction was and it was too slow and they didn't get them up quick enough and the armchair quarterbacking of it all and look they were up there fast in my opinion they were up there really fast tackle got them down um we all saw that one female who was unable to even holster her weapon she was the one hiding in the back of the pack she didn't even get involved in the dog pile um the other feet look and there's a lot being made about the female height of the one other agent who was Look, that woman, I don't care what her height is.

She put her head in his armpit. She was covering his vitals. She was selflessly on that pile and guarding him going down. So I don't care about height. She did her job. She did it quickly. There's a lot being made that you can hear on the audio that she said something. You could hear it say, what are we doing?

What are we doing? She wasn't panicking. Like anybody that's been in the high street, you've been in contact, Jamie, you've been in gunfights. somebody at some point when there's a pause or like a bit of a stick or a speed bump somebody will what are we doing and it's more of a prompt than it is a oh fuck what are we doing she was not panicked she was she had her head in and she was just trying to get a a focus from somebody she she was waiting for the team leader to make uh to make a call on what they're going to do and and in my opinion they're going to take that that armored car to get up there

to get them. Yeah. Like, just not going to fucking pull him off the stage and not be able to take him somewhere. Yeah. So there's going to be, there's going to be a delay for that vehicle to get close enough. So when they're moving them,

like they can move them into an armored vehicle. They're not going to fucking move them into an area where he's rejected again. Just moving them into a higher threat area if they don't know if it's secure or not. Yeah. And you got to remember, like the one, um, splash bullet actually hit the hydraulics of that vehicle behind,

the tractor backo behind. Is that what the water spray was? It was the hydraulics came out. The hydraulic fluid. So that was another, they weren't sure if there's a secondary threat or what had happened there initially. So of course the Secret Service is like, fuck, that's our ex-bill. Yeah. What just happened there?

Is there an IED? Is there whatever the hell they? So I understand, bro, I get the feeling like I've been shot at a bunch. So you can't just say, fuck and go this way. You have to, you have to know, which is the least shitty way to go. and then drive through it, you know, push through that. And that's what you're, that's what these guys did. And in my opinion, they did it.

They're not going to move them until he got, they got a vehicle to move them into. So that was the delay as well. I think, I think those people aside from that one female and maybe one other one that I watched their drills, there's adrenaline. We've all been in adrenaline situations.

Dan, I'm sure you have been as well. Like high hype, something intense is happening. that adrenaline dump is smashed in. You're, you know, all these things are happening. But that's going to happen.

But to me, it looked like a failure of those two agents that they just didn't know what they were doing. They weren't focused in. They weren't dialed in. And even in a few seconds into the event, they still weren't dialed in. I've seen people,

great soldiers take a pregnant pause at the beginning of a fight or something. And you're like, dude, get into it. And they're like, oh, shit, I'm on. Yeah. That happens. But this didn't happen to them. Yeah, I've, I've seen lots of people go into the black even just in scenario training, right?

And these, like, trained, trained guys go in, like, kind of have their little freeze moments even just in, like, sim munition training scenarios. For sure. Like you said, it's real easy to jump all over people when you're not the person in that high stress scenario where it's like, holy shit, the president of the United States that we are protecting just got shot. What are we doing? because I mean like yeah that's I'm sure they train for it but I mean and when it happens in real life it's a it's a big deal yeah um and I think do you guys know Dan Bongino oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I think he's former secret service right he was yes okay so I think he was NYPD maybe or New York cop and then secret service and he's like a media guy now yeah he said recently

that according to like sources of his that some of the detail had been reduced and they were I think Department of Homeland Security agents maybe filling in and so that's very possible right like that happens that even happens with the RCMP right when we have like big visits in places like you when you when you exceed when the resources required are more than the people that do the job full time you bring in other people that like maybe your day job as an investigator but they have the VIP course right and so yeah they're they are trained in it they have some basic knowledge but it's not like that's their full-time job that they're training and doing every single day right and so that could be that could be a factor as to why like some agents seem switched on some are like kind of kind of panicky right i just wanted to i just for people that know me and know how i think which is sometimes a bit skewed. I don't, I'm not, this is a male job or a female job. I work with fantastic female soldiers who could, who could do what we did. It was a limited number of them for sure, but the ones

that could, they had no problem with it. There's as many men that couldn't do the stuff we did. I worked in corrections for 10 years, and I'll tell you what, there's a lot of female staff that I worked with in corrections that held their own, no problem. You know, they were absolutely reliable. They didn't. They had your back in any high stress or high, high violent capacity that happened. And as many of them that were junk, were as many as the males, I work with a ton of men that were junk in both of those professions. So I don't, I'm not a, I'm not, you see all over the Twitterverse people jumping on about these females and it shouldn't be, I'm not that guy. And I'm not some sort of feminist either. You know, I'm sure Dan, you've worked with lots of the same

thing and we've all had those experiences. And I'm not, I'm not some raging feminist is everybody that knows me in their life knows. I'm just, I think that to me, watching that one female agent risk everything, she did everything I would have done or I hope I would have done or we all would have done had we had that job.

Her job is to put her body as a meat shield in front of the primary and she fucking did it. And she did it. She had such presence of mine and fine motor skills. She picked up the president's hat and carried that off. Like her fine motor skills were functioning. And the adrenaline dumps, that's like the first thing to go, as we all know. And you're like, you know, you're playing with oven mitts on is what it feels like.

She, she kept her going, you know. So, yeah, did some of those females screw it up yet? But I'd like to know about the Leo, that officer, that cop that was out there that let the guy get up on the roof. But pretty sure, I bet you that was a dude. Like, let's find out about him. Like, or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it wasn't a dude. I guarantee you they're fucking going through everything that he's done the last fucking

month. But going back to what you're saying there that that how they're bringing in these other agencies to do like security for for the ex-president of Trump, like that's that there's something fucked up there because, um, like a president has a detail that that basically sticks with them pretty much all the fucking time. And if they're starting to pull his detail away from him, um, and throwing in these other people that might not out the right, uh, security or the training that they should have in the in the in the in the what's going on right now with all the death threats towards Trump like uh it's it's it's almost like they're setting that team up for failure right like uh so so so all this stuff is going to get found out here in the next

little bit but um i i feel that there's like there has been and would withdraw like they withdrew guys from his this detail and it's put him at risk so is this another fucking thing that that the feds are doing towards Trump. Like, it's, I, I feel that way myself. Yeah. I think, I think that's definitely a fair, a fair assessment or at least a concern that needs to be, like those are the, if I was investigating, those are some of the questions. I think that the FBI should be asking.

But, I mean, how much can we really expect from the FBI right now? I don't have high hopes. And, yeah. I don't think anybody has any high hopes of that. Even the CIA hates, like they don't want fucking Trump around either because he's going to cut their budget too and not build them their fancy building, right? So, yeah, I know, fucking CIA doesn't even like Trump for fuck sakes. Hey, gents, we've had a few different comments.

I want to read, I want to tie two together because Marty Bose says super informative. I think we can all agree that failures was well before any shots were fired. That female agent hiding then being unable to holster weapon was a bad look, but it should never have gotten to where it did in the first place. And then Sheila Brassa, I hope I was saying that right, said, isn't our ladder a red flag? And I think we can all agree. Like a ladder sitting off the back of a building should have been a giant red flag. Should it have not?

Unless maybe a cop was supposed to be up on that rooftop and would have used the ladder to get there. I mean, that's a strange. That's a good point, too. That's speculation. That's a stretch. But like, definitely. If I,

if I was on the ground responsible for that area and I saw a ladder on the side of that building, I'd probably be like, hmm, is that ladder supposed to be there? At the least, it would be removed or picketed. Like,

have a, you know, somebody guarding that. And like Dan said somebody, maybe it was somebody's post to be on the roof. But again, we, we don't know yet for sure.

So, um, you know, I was talking to a, my mom's American, so I'm talking to a lot of family down there and a couple of old army buddies that are American. And one of them brought up, what would we, what would the world be right now had even killed? And I keep thinking about that. Like, where would be, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Sean would be like in a bunker somewhere in I, uh, Boise and like, or driving hell for the border.

Chuck, you think if he, if it's a different outcome, you think Civil War like a media, Immediately. They're in a cold civil war right now. This would have gone hot. I think if Trump was killed, I think there's mega people that would have been on the hunt right away. Hey, you know,

black ants? That would have been a big jar shaking right there. The ants would have been fucking killer. Yes, the red and the black ants. That's a great, I love that. That would be a whole. So this is one of the things I've I've been curious to pick your guys as brains on specifically.

Right. Earlier in the conversation, Dan, you were saying, you know, like, you know, you're thinking 1,000 meters, you know, a guy who's pro can hit him from there. And, you know, so I got to be kind of, you know, you got to be kind of looking for that. You know, when we bring up 140 meters, you're like, you know, it's not a pot shot. But at the same time, when I look at you three, you're all like, I can make that in my sleep kind of thing, correct? A lot of Taliban didn't make it past that. A lot. So can we all agree if the-

Can we all agree if there was a ladder there and it was all scheduled, right? Okay, so you go through the thought process of they staged everything, right? They had this open spot. They got the ladder there. He walks up. Boom, he's got this clear sight. And then he misses 140 yards. And you're going, but all of my three.

experts sitting here say that's like I can make that in my sleep so obviously something's off there so if they really wanted him done he'd be done wouldn't he here's the thing Sean he and Trump credits that big screen with the border patrol graph on that and it's his favorite graph in the world because it's about illegal immigration so it's his favorite thing to talk about and it's a big beautiful graph with big beautiful arrows and he turned at the moment that graph went up and it turned and that's where that went. Another, if he hadn't turned in that second. It would have been right through the back of the head.

Back of the head. And his hair is fucked forever at that point. He's done. So listen, that guy's first shot is his most critical shot because that's, it's quiet. He's judging wind. If he's able to do that, if he's smart enough to know how to do this stuff, 140 meters, it's not a big deal, but with 5, 5, 5,6, depending on what grain it is,

it is a big deal. He's got to judge a bunch of stuff. He's got a judge who's looking at him at this point. where's Trump? How long is he been still? And Trump went off script. You hear Trump a few seconds before that happened. I'm going to go off teleprompter. Everybody okay with that? He says it everything. Of course he's going on a telecompter. And he turns his head. And that's when the guy pulled the trigger.

So divine intervention, God intervened, whatever it is, whoever's on Trump's shoulder, kept him, made him turn at that moment. And then the panic sets in for the shooter. Oh, shit. Did I get him? Did I not? Now I'm just chucking rounds down range at him he hits that hydraulic hose people are like what the hell is this dude the other people get one gets one got killed unfortunately um there's some wounded guys there too yeah another another wounded one and uh another remarkable thing about this a little bit off topic is i would have expected in any crowded situation sheer pandemonium just just a just a gong show of people

those people now partially out of that freeze flight or fight type of mentality they froze which is the smartest thing they could do i think but they also were attentive like they were very aware of what was going on and and for the habit i mean this you can see people can think what they wanted with trump i think it was a great moment when he got up and told him to fight um they reacted to that they gave them hard again and one of the reasons um trump did that from what i hear from his insiders what you read on Twitter. I mean, not that I'm an insider. I read Twitter like everybody else.

Is that he didn't know if he was going to make it. He didn't know if there was more to come. He didn't know if he was, this is the end for him, if he'd been hit somewhere else. He didn't know how bad that this was because when you're hit, you don't know at that point. So he didn't know if this was it for him. So that was his, it wasn't him trying to be the showman that he normally is, although he is a showman. He just didn't know what was next for him if the next few seconds were it.

So, you know, there's a whole lot to unpack from how this has affected people. And I think you've all seen on social media, whatever you're on, that people who who've naturally hated Trump or not been on a Trump's team for a very long time are coming around to the fact that this man took a bullet for our country, the least I can do is put on a hat and go vote for him. Like, this is the momentum. This is a changed moment in history. This will be in a history book.

Here's my question to you guys. So this guy would have been 13 years old when Trump got into power. Yeah. I'd like to know what his family background is. Like, number one, like, is, are they Republican or Democrat? I'm thinking his family is probably Democrat. Is this guy a loner? Like, he's got a girlfriend.

like I would be going through his family past because that thing ain't got no girlfriend look at him if there's one guy that's like this now that's willing to go this far there's another 10,000 of those guys out there wishing that you know they might want to copycat this guy and actually be the guy to do it right so I'm not as worried about his family as I am the fact

that he was like 10 or so when Trump started to become you know the president in 16 the problem is that kid at 10 has had nothing but Trump is Hitler for 10 years that's the indoctrination

how many more guys are like that out there right now dude take it not even take it away from the American perspective and shine that light back on Canada Trump gets hit the whole thing happens our media is all about oh it's his own rhetoric it's his own rhetoric no it's not his rhetoric

he's got a big mouth I get it yeah, sure, he talks shit. I like talking shit. The guy, the whole Canadian mainstream media and all of our liberals are like, well, he deserved it, he deserved it. Think about that. We have our people

in Canada saying this. If God forbid Biden got taken out, I hope nothing happens to that guy, you wouldn't see a concert of cheering that on. You wouldn't see one of us cheering that on. It's a horrible thing to happen to someone. But these leftists,

who peace and tranquility leftists, they're not, they're, they're, what this has done to is it's broad, you know, we were polarized before, America and Canada, I mean, the people in general, like from the left and right side of the house, this has shown who the bad guys are and the good guys are. This is, this is shown what people are.

Media, regular people, you know, it is shown what people are made of. on what Trump's made of. He took a bullet, got up, did what he did, went golf in the next day. You know, he's taking selfies with fans again and joking about, I hope you don't got a rifle. Like, this is a dude who's, you know, I think my favorite meme that I've seen is Trump. There's a one with Trump, you know, the flag in the background. He's got the secret service around him. They're like, how, how tough is Trump that he just carried his secret service off there where they carried his balls for him? Like, I mean, this is, you know, I mean, this is meme heaven, really.

Well, no, it's meme. It's meme heaven. He, he, like, he's got the most iconic photograph in what? I'm drawing a blank. I'm drawing a blank. That's an Iwo Jima moment. Like, you know, like, I've been, like, the amount of stuff coming across my Twitter feed right now is insane. is absolutely insane.

And, you know, one thing I would say, a truck about the people going, dang, we missed, and next time get it closer. If you put it on Trudeau, even though a huge majority, I would say, of the,

I don't even know, the freedom right, I don't even know what the heck to call it. Conservatives would, you know, like don't want that and would say that. You would still have people come out saying the same thing,

if Trudeau had gotten shot at. And it's just surprising that it's like professors at like the UBC and on and on and on. You're like, Is it? The heck are you? Is it surprising?

Well, it isn't surprising. You're right, Dan. It isn't surprising. I mean, I've come to the realization. Like, the law and the truth does not matter to that side. I mean, maybe that side, that's the wrong term. But you know what I mean? Like, people who just push these bullshit narratives,

like they don't care about the truth they don't care about the law whereas like we do and like we and I think we get that's why we get triggered and why we get so frustrated because there's so much hypocrisy and it's so clear that like but what you're doing is illegal and what you're doing isn't based on truth and evidence and then finally just like I'd say within the last couple months it just finally I got slapped in the face with the realization it's like oh but they don't care about that. Exactly. It doesn't factor into their decision making.

Like, I get so amped up because I'm like, but that's not true. That's wrong. That's, that's, there's no evidence to support what you're saying and what you're doing is illegal. Mm-hmm. Oh, but they don't care. All they care about is like, just keep repeating the talking points enough times that it sticks in people's heads and then it becomes accepted as real.

Yeah. Well, look at what Trudeau is doing in our country. How many things is he been involved in Scandinavian? his stuff and he should have been removed as leader but you know nobody does anything to him so like and he just like you said he just goes on his talking points and totally ignores what he just dead right so yeah they don't care about law you don't care about break yeah no one's going to touch them no what do you think happens next down there now that he's picked a VP with jd vans who is a decent choice in my opinion what do you think is the uh what's the

next thing that happens down there. Well, I'm, I'm still worried that there's fucking some would-be guys that want to do, want to try and finish the job. Like, uh, probably. Like that's, that's where my concern is right now. I was like, okay, this guy failed. Somebody wants to step up and actually do it. Um, that, that, that scares me right now.

I'm, I'm afraid we're going to have some guy who's heard for the last 10 years when he was 10 years old like this idiot shooter here in Canada has heard that Harper is Hitler Poli Gave is Hitler and we don't have any secret service or detail at all. Polyeuf has no protection.

Nothing, no. Nothing. Not until the campaign. Not until the campaign is official. And even then it's minimal. It's minimal. So all you have is this guy who think God seems to be hitting the gym a little bit now and you know Mel House has hit the gym

he's hit the gym and he's doing it well looking self but the our crazy people are as crazy as theirs just because we're more polite up here doesn't mean our shitheads aren't just as crazy

as these shitbirds down there my worry is one of them is going to do something silly and I think I think Pierre better get some private security I agree I hope he does well if you know even I watched a few Daniel Smith comments today.

Even Daniel Smith should probably be in the same boat. She does have CP though. She does? I assume they're probably like trained by the RCMP. Well, let me tell you about that. But I don't know. When I was in corrections, I had between the Army courses I had and the corrections courses I had, I had some Gucci courses.

I helped train, I'm not going to say which premier many years ago their detail and not everyone is like tier one is that not everyone is tier one sometimes it's I'm sure you've experienced this Dan where somebody's like where do we put this person where they're you'd take a couple of the ladies wouldn't you chuck is that what you're trying to say 100% yeah no but what I'm saying is some of them were good some of them were trainable and some of them I wouldn't put them in front of a port of shitter like really I think that I'm just saying. Doing that now, though.

The sheriff's office is doing the protection for your premier. I believe it. The sheriff's, was it only sheriffs now? Or was it? Because when I was doing it, it was EPS. It was some sheriffs. It was a mixed bag of everything. We both know a guy that was the head of that team, Chuck.

He moved out of the province. But he brought that team up to a pretty good standard. Good. Well, we both knew the one guy from 06 that was there forever, too. Yeah, that's a lot of talking about. Yeah, he's solid. Him I trust, but at the time I was training them, it was not a good situation. Yeah, no, he's not a good team there.

We talk about Pollyev and protection, and I just saw this comment come through, Shelly Deegan saying, did you see they finally approved today protection for Kennedy? And that was one of the big things, right, is Kennedy's walking around and not having any protection. And that's because Trump tweeted, give this man. All for it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

It was because Trump called for it. Chuck, are you drinking a scotch? Maybe. But, fucking shiny light over there. I know. Jamie Sinclair's like,

wait a second. We're allowed to drink on this thing, and of course he's running off to grab a beer. It's costing. It's costing, it's costing Kennedy, or his campaign, uh,

for private security. But, Yeah. I don't know, man, like based on what happened with Trump, like, I think he, he is working with the company Gavin De Becker and Associates. Yeah. Who's pretty high speed. I think if I was him, if cost wasn't an issue, I'd probably stick with him. Although, I don't know if they run like counter snipers or like a tactical element. I don't know about that. They do BG work for sure. And, but like that, that company's pretty, pretty renowned in the close protection work. world. I think they'd be pretty solid.

Especially given the Kennedy family history, he'd be better off keeping as many layers as he can. Yeah, no kidding. And wearing a big helmet. Yeah. What did you boys all think of everybody absolutely hammered on Poliev for basically saying, not congratulating. I forget how he said any, I'm happy the shooter's dead.

Something along that lines. I can pull it up. Everybody lost them. Oh, now we're going to, I'm like, this guy literally came within an of killing a man, a presidential candidate who was a former president. And did kill another innocent man. Yeah, he did. Correct.

And we're going to try and defend. I'm like, people are losing their minds. Like, they're absolutely losing their minds. Don't forget. Don't forget. These are the same people that are losing their minds with that language who wanted to lock us in camps, make us show a pass to go to a restaurant, the froze bank accounts, people lost jobs.

And they're more than gleefully happy about all that stuff. But how dare you say you're happy? that the assassin is dead. Because that's a counterpoint to when Trudeau said, well, if we kill our enemies, we lose. Well, I've had the opposite experience killing as many of them as I could over there. I never lost.

I felt pretty good about it. And I did feel really happy about it. So, I mean, I get where Paul Yeves coming from. The bad guy's dead, the good guys alive, except for one, unfortunately. These people will parse rhetoric instead of what happened. That's what they're doing.

do you do you boys think i was just reading another comment do you think it was a single shooter like when you when you look at it you go do you think there was anyone else there the man in the grassy know like is there is there something else that you're you're staring at you know because one of the things that after this happens right video starts popping out of everywhere you start looking at all these different angles i spent way too much time sitting on twitter watching different videos and on and on and then reading different threads. I'm like, oh, man, I just got to go back to enjoying, you know, as I said at the start of all this, I was like, there's nothing that was going to pull me on Twitter.

Like, Trudeau has done so many dumb things to this point. I'm like, he ain't going to get me. And of course, it isn't Trudeau who gets me. It's something completely different that as you guys pointed out, if it had been maybe an inch to the opposite direction, maybe I'm in a completely different state. We all could be, well, we all would be. Do you have any thoughts on whether or not he had an accomplice? other than possibly, I don't know, a cop or two that allowed a ladder to be sitting there

and have a free reign of the top of a building. Well, nobody reported him when he was seen up there. And there was a police officer, could have got on the radio, and it all would have been taken care of before he even would have crawled across the roof. So that's something. And do I think he had another shooter with him? I don't think so. would have been a time shoot, you know,

or a shoot where they both shoot at the same time kind of thing. But to increase the hit probability is if they're going to have two or three shooters, they would all shoot at the same time, I feel. What do you guys think? Go ahead, Dad. I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen any evidence of a second shooter. I mean, I guess where people might think that's possible is because, like I said,

I didn't hear the shooter get off that many shots before the Secret Service counter sniper engaged. But then there was more shots after the fact. But at the same time, like, I don't know. Maybe, like, even after you've been shot, like, your nerves might still be pulling on the trigger, which, you know, I kind of like the chicken flopping around after they get its head chopped off kind of idea. It happens, yeah. Yeah. And I don't know.

I mean, I think they're, I lean towards, I haven't, I don't see any evidence of a second shooter because I, if they had only engaged the one guy, then the second shooter probably would have kept shooting. Agreed. Yeah. I think until they give back ballistics on every round they can find and trace it all back to that guy's rifle, then we won't know for sure. I don't think there was a second, like Dan said, once they neutralize that threat, there was no more shooting. I think if there had been another shooter, it would have been placed at a perpendicular to the,

from one direction or another to that original shooter. There would have been, that's why you would have another shooter was to have a second angle covered, but that's not the case here. If there had been a second shooter, there'd no more Trump right now, is what I'm trying to say. In my opinion, I don't think there was. And they would have got a second shooter.

second opportunity when they stood him up and he was kind of exposed like he would have been exposed again right there exactly yeah yeah well i don't know how much more i like i'm trying to process everything i appreciate you guys giving me uh you know close to an hour tonight um sitting here in a hotel you know i don't know if anyone can hear but you know there's been like a handful people walk in and go oh my god right um i i was really interested to hear all of your your thoughts. So I don't want to cut the conversation short. By all means, if there's more to chat, I don't want to pull you down too many rabbit holes if, you know, because what you guys have really given is a high level of like a bunch of different things when it comes to the sniper

and the team and the protection and everything going on from the video from what we can see. You know, I just, I guess I go back to just an earlier thought I had that if I put one of you three up on that on that building chances are it's lights out and so you go if you're the guy pulling the strings and you wanted trump dead you would have picked somebody way different than a 20 year old kid that was average of best i mean you're saying but he turns his head but wouldn't you wouldn't the three of you already predict that or or is that unpredictable you're saying that was an expert shot and it turns his head that was an act of bud like uh if Trump would have stayed on on cue and never went off to look at that chart,

that Trump would be dead right now. That's my feeling. Yeah, that kid had enough experience to have him standing still the way he was for as long as he was. They should have never had that flag flying above him. It's a perfect wind saw for any shooter to be like, oh, my wind is dead now or, you know, whatever his aim off has to be,

even at that range of maybe a little bit, not much. that it does not take much at 140 meters and that you don't need much and in fact you don't want you wouldn't even want one of the three of us to be the guy up there because we'd probably make an ex we'd get out of there or something who knows

you don't want us living in the first place just like that movie shooter you don't want the shooter to live so you get this kid who's been 10 years of Trump as Hitler and put he you know easy to tell him on the attempt

Yes. Yeah. And he almost did it. Oh, he came real close. Real close. But Sean, like, yeah, okay, you're talking to guys, military guys. Obviously, that was my, you know, was my profession, right? Whereas this is like a 20-year-old kid, right? He's an amateur. You know, maybe he's got some time on the range. But I don't even know if he had an optic on his rifle.

I'm not sure. I've heard people say something about iron sights. I'm not sure. but regardless, like it's a doable shot, but at the same time, you're also, you got to factor in like the stress of the situation, right? He's 20 years old, doesn't look like he's a super switched on warrior type kid. And he's crawling into a position to take shots at the president of the United States surrounded by like cops and SWAT cops and Secret Service. Like there's a very high chance that as soon as you get into that shot, if you get to the point where you make a shot, which he did, you're going to have rounds coming your way, right? Like that is a stressful, stressful situation, right?

So it's, you know, his heart rate's going to be through the roof. He's going to be breathing like, you know, like, I'm assuming that he would just be like, he'd be a physical mess just to get to the point where he's like actually like convinced himself that he's going to pull that trigger. Everybody's heard of buck fever when you go shoot your first big game or beer. Every gets that buck fear. I'll tell you what, when it's a. another human, that buck fever is amplified a bunch.

And like Dan was just saying, the breathing, you start to lose control. That fine motor skill starts to like evaporate out of your fingers and you're like wearing other mitts with your weapon and you're like, what the hell? That's probably why he took so long to get the shot off initially when people were screaming as a dude up there for four minutes. He was probably just trying to zone in and focus up and get ready for this shot. and he did and dudes if Trump hadn't

turned like what we all know but they didn't take much more than that and that Trump was down for good it all goes back to that cop if he would have radioed in the guy with the gun on the roof yeah would have been taken out of there like that's that's where that's where this all starts

and that's it yeah I'm I'm surprised that they wouldn't have called like uh I mean maybe they did and it just wasn't close enough but like a QRF to go racing over there right away as soon as there's any kind of an indication that that something like that could be happening yeah absolutely well well that building would have a number to it so yeah for sure but but even it never even want to got to a QRF situation if if gun is used and man on a roof that that's all it takes like there's no fucking oh let's go

look it's like get him the fuck up get to get trump out of there yeah that's what i would expect That's where that's where I think the failure is and I'm curious to see where that's going to end up. The security detail, all the guys that were actually doing their job, they fucking did their job. And it takes time like Dan was saying to get onto a guy and fucking see him especially. He's on a reverse slope of a roof. So yeah, no, like he's fucking lucky to be alive. If he never would have turned his head, he'd probably be dead right now. I'm worried about a copycat guy that wants to finish the job.

And hopefully, hopefully we, they get his fucking security detail up to where it's supposed to be. And thank God he's got security for, for Kennedy now. Yeah. And here's hoping that it doesn't happen here with our guy. Yeah,

you know what? That was, that was one of my initial thoughts too. It's just like, man, because the media here is using all the same rhetoric about Polly, as the American media uses about, Trump. Absolutely. The northern

mega or whatever we are. Yeah, yeah. Like just trying to put that fear into the population of like how horrible of a dictator Pierre Pollyov will be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's bullshit. When you look at the next, you know, as we lead up to November,

do you see things quieting down or do you see it ramping up even more so? Can it ramp up more than this? It's, I feel at the end of the election, no matter which way, it's going to go, there's going to be some sort of chaos. Like, I don't think they can have an election where they can clearly identify a winner

and not have people fucking going bananas down there. Oh, I think there will be riots in the streets no matter the outcome. Yep. Yeah. Here's one thought from Shereen Sutherland. She said, you just can't think that he planned it and executed it himself. Any thoughts on that, Jens? Oh, it absolutely can be done by yourself.

Realistically, that's, I mean, they're called loan rules for a reason. I mean, we all live in this new world where everything is the conspiracy has to be bigger. And I'm not saying this isn't the case. I'm not saying there weren't some layers to things. But you take, again, you take a kid who at 10 years old has had 10 years of Trump as Hitler, Republicans are Nazis and they're all bad and they're going to take away your right to fucking whatever. that this is now where we're at where this kid has been so brainwashed by social media whoever's friends are whatever his family's thinking whatever the media is telling him 24-7s

especially he's only on Reddit or MSNBC or whatever the hell Trump is Hitler and he's got to get taken out and Biden a week ago put a tweet out that said we've got to put a bozine on this guy well if you're some susceptible guy already who looks like this and clearly has whatever issues got going on. That's your cue. That's your, that's your, you know, MK Ultra moment where you're like, the switch comes on and you're like, oh, well, I was just given a green light. And that rhetoric, that rhetoric that they spew all the time is the green light for these people. That's what they're trying to do. They talk, you know, they pulled Morning Joe off the air this morning, which is admission of guilt because all they do is give green light after green light after green light

to these people to take Trump out. That's all they do. That's all this media does. And they're doing it up here to Pierre. That guy's got to do something for security. I see three individuals that would probably be pretty good on that detail. Just saying. Just saying. Actually, you mentioning Green Light just reminded me of another thing to kind of talk about.

I've seen, you know, there's been posts online where like this sniper kind of allegedly comes forward on 4chan or something like that saying that like he had the shooter in his sights, but someone was, like, he was being told, he was, like, being denied authorization to shoot. That's bullshit, man. It doesn't work that way in law enforcement world. You see a lethal threat, like, your

job is to deal with it. And, like, I would already... The sniper world, especially, in the army, at least, the sniper world, they have the final say. They are, like, it's fucking ROE is our ROE. He's down. Yeah. And I'm sure it's the same in your world. You identified a lethal threat,

he's down. Yeah. Like, so, you don't you don't have to wait for a commander to give you the green light to take a shot like actually because it's an emergency situation yeah as a cop you're not you're not gonna sit there and be like uh boss can i shoot this guy like no that that's that's that's hollywood garbage yeah there was three guys chuck on your tour they crawled in to kill the boochie sniper through a minefield for two days they rate the strathconic uh colonel and charge you guys to get authorization, the shooter, and the fucking colonel said, no, you fucking chicken out on the occupation, the killer. And they had crawl out of a fucking minefield for two days after that.

I know those guys. I know those guys, and they should have turned their fucking radio off. But yeah, so like, military's a different world, though, from law enforcement, right? Like, you're, you're crawling into, with the intent of taking out a high-value target and, like, it's a planned off. Yeah. Whereas... you know, your counter, you're a Secret Service counter sniper, your job is to like be ready to engage anything that could be a threat to the president, right? Yeah. So.

Diana Thompson just asking Danny, so why didn't they take the shot? I assume she means that if they take the shot sooner? Sooner. Well. Are you saying, are we assuming that they didn't have them in the scope? Like they didn't see them? Well, I, that's the only reason I can think of why they wouldn't. engage sooner is like they they had to make positive positive target ID first right maybe they couldn't

completely see him because of the roof line of the other building like the images i've seen of him there wasn't any real obvious cover or concealment but they could have been you know the the roof line could have obstructed him then all of a sudden he kind of just crests over to take the shot and they see what's going on and they identify that he's got a weapon then they shoot but by that time it's too late. That's the only possible explanation I can think of as to why there would be a delay. Yeah. It looked like a flat roof to me though. There was a slight, you know, apex to it, a very small one, but it would have been enough. The aerial photo kind of looks like it has a ridge cap. So it makes me think like there might be a slight angle. Yeah. But, but I mean, it's hard,

it's hard to know for sure unless you actually go see it for yourself. When, when you're at an event like this, Jens. And you got, you got multiple, I don't know, groups of law enforcement, right? They're not all one team. I assume from listening to you. And I've heard this somewhere else. You know, you're talking about a bit of a, I don't know, you got three from over here and seven from over there, but we got a team lead from here. And you got different organizations working together to protect us. Is there the possibility that, or maybe you could just tell me from your experience where like you don't have radio communication, you've got to jump to,

like, say the sniper, like, hey, tell them to look on the roof. Tell them to look on the roof. And you don't have direct communication or would they have had direct communication with everything? No, there's possible that they could be on different radio frequencies. I mean, like, usually you'd have at least like, you know, the tag, like for me as a sniper in my sniper job,

I would have like the site channel that I could monitor to listen to like the people on the ground, like the bodyguards and the site security people. But then I would also have my tactical channel, which would be like directly between me, my tactical commander and like the tactical element that was on the ground. But, you know, if you're working multiple agencies like RCMP and Ottawa police, let's say, we're definitely we're not always working on the same channel, but there would be like a joint command post. Yeah.

So what he's saying, Sean, is that you'd have maybe three different nets that that could be being used. but you'd have a commander that is in the room where these three different nets would convert to and that and that commander would be the guy that's working for the Secret Service. So he's hearing three different nets that are reporting stuff and he can make a command call to his net to tell them what to do, right? And that can work really well with the right people, but that can cause a lot of lag for a decision to be made too when you're trying to de-conflict what people are calling it.

But if it's in his gun and man on a roof, like that there's not a fucking... But that's not a fucking... But comms break down all the time. All the time, yeah. Like, but it's probably like the first thing to go on just about any operation is comms end up getting screwed up. Every time.

That was my experience. I think it almost happens almost every time. There's some kind of comms issue. Or you'd have that one cowboy on the radio that nobody wanted to listen to, but everybody was... up listening to and you're like eats up all the air time all the air time yeah yeah i don't want to hear with your cat anymore we have stuff to do well boys i appreciate uh you uh you doing this tonight um i wanted to pull up here it is uh jamie ingram said thank you gentlemen for your insight and service

appreciate it very much uh i'm sure he's not the only one that uh has has those thoughts there was another one that came in lorry forsberg definitely an act of god as it was said about the last minute about the last minute head turn. Any final thoughts from you, gents, before I let you out of here, appreciate you once again hopping on on an evening to do this for an hour and giving some insight from, you know,

this realm. All of you guys have been on the podcast lots. And, you know, when I got thinking about this, because, you know, I'm like, I'm sitting in the United States. I'm like, this is insane. You know, and certainly my brain went to the worst case scenarios of him being actually dead.

which thankfully he's not. But, you know, I started talking to the group of you and, you know, once again, this idea came to fruition. So if you got any final thoughts, by all means, gents, throw them out there. Here's one other one from Shane Reese. He said, great bunch of Canadians right there talking about what you find folks. So any final thoughts before I let you out of here? Just thanks for having us on.

Sean, be safe down there, get home safe. And Dan, it's nice to meet you finally. I watch your stuff with Sean as well. you on Twitter now and then. My pleasure. Nice to meet you. And Jamie, you still look good, as always. But it was a good talk tonight, boys.

I appreciate that. And hopefully everybody else is there, stay safe. Yeah, Dan, I want to shake your hand one day. You got a lot of balls and respect your decisions you made. I'm proud there's people like you out there. And, yeah, it'll be an honor to meet you one day. Oh, well, thank you very much. It would be my honor to meet you guys.

That would be awesome. We should do that sometime. Have a live in-person roundtable, maybe. We can make that work, boys. We can make that work. Let's do it. Oh, sorry. No, no, go ahead.

You finish your comment. Thanks for getting us together. And I'm pretty sure we made people think of more things. And then I've definitely done a lot more things I want to think about and kind of look into and watch. Watch what's going on. Be aware of what's happening around you. November 5th is coming quick.

And just be smart about what's happening. That's all. For me, I think, like, if, you know, people have every right to be skeptical of how that whole thing went down. I think, like, we all agree. My focus, like, if I was trying to dig into this a bit deeper to find out how that went down, my focus would be on how that guy got into that position to begin with. I think the response on the ground, maybe it wasn't perfect,

but that guy never should have got anywhere close to that site. And so that's where my focus would be is like, how the hell did that happen? Yeah, the string to pull on is how do you get there? And then that probably leads you on a wild chase of down some dark paths, I would assume, because, you know, all the talk leading up to this, you know, they tried to jail them and everybody knew the next step was exactly what almost took place. So I appreciate you guys doing this and hopping on. We will for sure get you boys in studio.

I think that would be a ton of fun. I've had Jamie and Chuck in studio multiple times, Dan to come join. I think that would be a lot of fun. Finally, Shreen, Sutherland, one more time. Thanks, gentlemen, appreciate your service and expertise. And we'll let everybody out of here tonight. Thanks again, gents, for doing this. this. And if you are on the podcast and I release this two days later, know that we did this

the evening of July 15th. So, uh, cheers everyone and, uh, stay safe and, uh, pay attention. I think I'll reiterate all of what you three are telling me. Either way, thanks again for hopping on, guys. See, very. Thank you. Take care.