Shaun Newman Podcast - #688 - Dave Collum

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

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He's a professor of organic chemistry at Cornell. I'm talking about Dave Collum, so buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Dave Collum. Sir, thanks for, well, hopping back on. You know, I just had Luongo and Craneer on. And, you know, it...

May God have mercy on your soul. Well, I mean, I tell you, it's there... I took for the month of July, my wife's from Minnesota. So we took the, we take the month off July. She's also a school teacher. Are you from Minnesota or Canada? Because it's a vague access. I'm Canadian.

I am from right on the border, Saskatchewan, Alberta. And so we come back every summer, Dave, to Minnesota to see family. And so this is the first year where I've slowed down the podcast a bit. You know, I went from five a week down to three a week. That's a real slowdown for some people. others that's like what are you doing still it's so unbelievable did you watch the series fargo the series far no i have not watched the series fargo well there's it there's one it's one it's one's ones where they they do different times slices through history so the first one i think

it was the present um and and the actors i swear were trying to outdo each other on the minnesota accent and i was watching and they were just getting they were coming the most unbelievable caricatures of the Minnesota, you know. And I'm sitting thinking, how do you film that with that guy sitting across the table throwing that meatball at you, right? I mean, just unbelievable stuff. It was just funny. Okay, go ahead.

Well, no, no, quite all right. I just went to, you know, as I start to ramp back up in here in August, you know, I look at July, you know, you're trying to take a break in July. Then Trump gets shot. Then Biden steps down. And I mean, I'm Canadian. And so I have this weird, you know, I don't want to talk about the United States all the time. I think the world does that quite often, you know, pretty easy to talk about everything going on there.

But then those two things happen in almost, you know, within a week of each other. And you're like, oh, my God. You know, so I've come back on an awful lot. And so, you know, then you got the stock market crashing and all these different things just going on. And that's why Long Kong Kraner came back. I'm like, wow, we might as well have you boys back on. Let's talk some things. Have the two together?

Two together. Two together. Yeah, they've been on, they've been on, it was the 14th time. We've almost done 14 straight months. Once a month, they come on together. Keepers, okay. And so, but it's funny because you're a guy now on this side of things that started to kind of. I'm told if I was in the Olympics, I might be a chick.

And then you got the Olympics splashed in there. I don't know, Dave. You think the world is going to slow down. instead it just seems to pick up speed and I know we're getting closer to the elections or the election and and everybody goes well it ain't going to slow down between here and there and I'm saying it before we started you know I started I saw the clip of jamie raskin saying you know Congress is going to have to tell the rampaging trump mobs if he wins that he's disqualified and then it's like I don't know was it a week later was it less I don't even it was Ohio state

Senator George so hey my question is there a bigger douchebag than Jamie raskin I didn't even know who Jamie Raskin was you know once again I go I'm a Canadian viewing this and you see things on social media and I go well I'm gonna throw some things at Dave and and maybe he can be like who cares what Jamie Raskin saying or is this a big deal there's that there is that I mean his opinion is irrelevant but he can also be a world-class douchebag so well do you see that uh do you see Congress or you know like there's a lot of talk right now you know like especially after Trump got shot. There's just no way he's not going to win. What are your thoughts? Well, I think there's no way you can say that for a host of reasons, one of which is that

we will have forgotten about it by the time he, the election, right? So here we have a murder, the conspiracy, an attempted assassination of a president, and the authorities are doing nothing to figure it out. Nothing. There's no question that that wasn't just the shooting of a brain adult teenager, which in itself is always a problem because they're always drugged up teenagers who sure as hell looked like they went to the MK Ultra School for Wayward Boy. So they always look that way. But there's just too much evidence that that was a very complicated hit. And as a consequence, it should be above the full nonstop until we get some answers. And every single-ass media outlet is discussing the varying degrees upon which we should fire people.

And I go, presidential assassination attempts are not about firing people. They're about finding who did it and executing them. It's that simple. Have you- Find out? Sure. Find out who are the treasonous bastards and hang them, public swear. Hang them.

Does it surprise you that they aren't trying to find out who it was, though? Well, what it does is it tells you that the guys who, who did it are protected by the system. So, you know, no. Once you, if, if it was a group outside the system, we'd be trying to find out who it was. Yeah. But even Fox News, right, Fox News, which, which, you know,

a lot of us who lean right of center, we'd rather listen to Fox News, but they're all just talking about who to fire. And they should be trying to, As Mike Ben said, I don't know if Mike Ben, she should interview him. That's the guy I should be interviewing, not me. He said that all you have to do is find the person told the Secret Service to stand down and who received that stand down order.

One of those can tell you what's going on. Don't you think? But we're not going to do it. We're not going to do it. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's like two phone calls, isn't it? Well, what they should have done is rounded up everyone who's involved and got them in separate rooms that day.

They should have just, boom, they should have gotten them all. And there is the chief of police or the head of the local guys. So apparently there was almost no secret service in sight. And there's the story of how Jill Biden was 58. Jill Biden was 58 miles away, sucking secret service assistance to her, which makes her a great cover story for why they weren't present. But so there were local guys. The head of the local guy said at no point since this has happened has anyone from the Secret Service asked us any questions.

So you know the Secret Service is involved. Now, maybe not the guys immediately, maybe not the guy's proximate to Trump, right? Maybe the inner circle was not involved. But none of them got hit. right so it's a little suspicious since how many shots were fired seven or eight before they supposedly took out the but if you watch the whole story screwed up you listen to the audio analysis of the bullets multiple guns this guy named john cullen who i've done several podcasts with i'm always the straight man i'm the ed binkman of those pairs and um there's usually a

threesome who's a host. I ask questions when they come to me and John tells the story. John has done bullet trajectory analyses. He's got Asperger's. I mean, he just does his stuff naturally. And there was shooting from multiple directions. So it was a very complicated attempted hit. And I'm a little surprised they missed, but John said there was a 90 degree complete crosswind, 12 mile per hour wind that day. So it was just not ideal. So then the other possible is the first bullet

appears to have ripped along the back of the the back of the bleachers behind Trump. So the first bullet wasn't near Trump. And Cullen does a nice job of showing that because you can actually slow down the videos. And you can see people along the back row all essentially simultaneously responding. So one guy, he dies. That's what we call a significant response.

There's a woman who had a scarf on her arm and all of a sudden the scarf just flies. I mean, it just, again, simultaneously. So, you know, bullets moving supersonic. So simultaneously to the naked eye. And then there's this puff of dust coming off the railing where the bullet found his last target before disappearing, right? Not a lot of ballistics evidence coming out of the FBI. I don't see a lot of press reports. I don't see anything, right? So you can tell the bullet was moving left or right because of the puff of dust, clearly moving to the right.

The whole back row, and so apparently when I used to shoot as a kid, but I don't know shit. apparently when a bullet goes by your head, there's a real crack because it's essentially a little microsonic, since it's supersonic. The same sound that a jet makes just not as noisy. And so if a bullet whizzes by your head, you know anything about bullets. You can hear that crack, you're going to flinch. And you can see the back row, basically. Everyone seems to sort of simultaneously respond. If you trace the trajectory, using Google Maps and various things, which John's very good at. He's very graphically skilled with some help, too, in this case.

The bullet trajectory flies right between the two guys, right between the two guys, who were on the apparently not so sloped truth, who were supposedly protecting Trump. And so it appears, and it comes from the trees behind him. Now, Brett Weinstein interviewed Cullen, I think first, actually. And Wynstein was going, well, you can't shoot from the trees. And Cullen said, Cullen didn't have good ideas on that. But he said, you know, tree stands are a dime of dollars and then Pennsylvania. Right.

Everyone who hunts sits in a tree stand. They do shoot deer. So in theory, you can do it from a tree stand. And he thinks the goal is to take out the protective snipers with the first shot. Almost concurrently, it was the second shot that appears to have come from the direction of crooks. Now, was it from crooks up on the roof or from someone below crooks in the building? There are photographs that appear, you know, slow-mo videos that appear to show muzzle flashes from inside the building. For secret service agents, supposedly are inside the building.

there's a blood trail where some guy cut himself and it's inside the building and no one's tracking any of this crap so in any event they miss the secret service guys supposedly the plan was for crooks to do what crooks does that's be a passie and as soon as he Colin says yeah if crooks is tall it keep your head down until we tell you then when they tell him he pops up and they show him he pops up and they shoot him and they say, oh, he's a, he's a shooter, right? He thinks crooks popped his head up too soon. So they took out crooks and all of a sudden they no longer had a patsy and they no longer had a patsy and there was, all of a sudden there's a mess.

The problem. Very convoluted. First, Cullen's been on the show multiple times and I find it fascinating now that he's no longer wearing the ball cap and the sunglasses, right? He's exposed. And when he was wearing it, I told him, I said, John, you're from Oracle. I can see your face. You got the sunglasses, you got the hat. Anyone who wants to find out who you are. They know who you are. And he says, yeah, it's just kind of slows the process. That's right. That's right. So he's been, now he's been

on Alex Jones with his face bear to the world, which is, you know, well, I always think if you're going to, if you're going to say things, you need, you need to expose your face. Maybe I'm wrong on that thought, but I'm not a the only anonymous person I'm fond of is Rudy Evanstein he can not show his face on fun when you go to so I've had I've had different sets uh military guys a former sniper who used to protect the prime minister in Canada and then uh the the two military guys and loonga one and longgo said you know I always like Tom's analysis because he's like it doesn't matter like at the end of the day they tried killing the president you know the escalation what's happening the military guys is a little different. And when I hear John, like, and I guess what I'm going to have to do is have

John on. I should probably just do that. But when you start going, well, this is what they were trying to do, and that's what they tried to do over here. And they were trying to do that. It's like, well, DEI really got into the ability to kill a president because, you know, it's one thing for one shot to have missed, you know? Bang, you miss the target when, when you've been given every opportunity to shoot them in the head. And any military guy I talk to, says that's an easy pot shot, right? Like with any like two day training, let it learn a lifetime of training.

So if you got a team sitting under him that's taking the shot, Trump's dead. If you got somebody set up in the trees that's gonna take out the sniper team, they're dead. Now you're saying they were in the trees, everybody sucks. It's DEI all over. We hired a, the run, you know, a couple of batsies

and they can't hit anything. So why would you do that? Well, okay. If we're gonna run with that thought process, then it didn't matter if they were killing anyone. They needed to stir everybody up in hopes that, you know, all pandemonium breaks loose. And instead of Trump running off the stage and maybe dead, you know, he goes, fight, fight, shows them and they chant USA and everybody almost calms down instead of goes ballistic.

And the outcome doesn't happen the way they want it. But it's getting too many things. I think it's a D.I. D.I. problem, not a, not a faked assassination. They, they think that it was just, they attributed to incompetence. Well, they, they attribute that Crooks wasn't, you know, this guy with 20 years service in a sniper by trade.

He's a young kid, M.K. Ultra, you could put whatever you want behind that. He certainly looks like that. It's on the roof with help. There's no doubt about that. At this point, I mean, it's laughable. The ladder, the roof being too sloped, and then you see everything on it, the snipers were on it. So the head of the secret service started lying right away.

Her appropriate response would have been said, look, the data is still coming in. You're just going to have to wait until we get a chance of it. I'll get back to you. Instead, she said, oh, the roof was too slop. Oh, the guy was a no show. That's right. Bullshit, arguments.

Now, she to me looked DEI because she looked as dumb as Kamala. And as a consequence, my conclusion, now, I'm a little vague on that point because she was also under the gun and maybe unfamiliar with that, with that level of attention. But she could be a bozo. She could also be told, look, you're going to have to step down. You're going to have to go up there and look like an asshole. We're then going to take you down. There's money in the Cayman Islands. You know, we're going to take care you.

But you got to take one for the team. Right? When they took out Nixon, right? I'm now reasonably comfortable with the idea that Nixon was taken out by the CIA, CIA, not by just some stupid break into the DNC headquarters bullshit. Yeah, all the guys who broke in were CIA, deep throat with CIA. Woodward was. Woodward was not a journalist before that.

Woodward was Navy intelligence. I mean, there's nothing about Nixon's take that. He's a popular president. They took them down. I'm okay with that idea. And so I think, but some of those guys went to jail for a while. I think it's one of those, you know, if you're on our team occasionally,

you're going to have to take one for the team. Yeah, I think Cheeto is, deafling on that team, that side. Like, I, I, DEI. She is, but she also might be the bureaucratic Patsy. Yeah, the useful idiot. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, when you look at it, there's too many things that says Crooks doesn't get help. He gets help in some form of the matter. I mean, everything doesn't line up that perfectly. And the fact you can, there's video of people showing there's a guy on the roof.

The fact you can see them. And they knew about it for two hours, right? Yeah. It's ridiculous. But what the military guys do point out well, if Trump doesn't turn his head, he's dead. Like, they're like, he's dead. So you got wind as a factor, certainly.

But they say it's not a bad shot. If he doesn't turn his head, he's dead. But after that, they're like, think about the intensity of the situation. And then you start firing sporadically and everything else. Now, what would be interesting is I've listened to John's and watched his videos. And I find John fascinating back from the COVID thing and then the Las Vegas shooting, which I didn't know much about.

So having him on to discuss some of them. Do you know, did you watch the one I did with him on Vegas? Yes, I did. That's how I found out who you were. Was that the first time you ever presented? I've been trying to figure out that's the first time you ever presented as Vegas data. I'd heard about the Saudi, the Saudi, Saudi being behind the shooting in Vegas.

It must have been somehow, I think that must have been John talking about it, because it was in the back of my skull. And I remember hearing about the helicopters being the culprit. But here's what John does with the Vegas shooting. And again, he's very data-driven. But when you dig into the Vegas shooting, for example, there's the helicopter store, which John does a brilliant job at him. But you may recall, I kept saying, but John, there was chaos at the ground level, too.

They were shooting all up and down the strip. There were people, there were cops with their, their cameras saying, we got a shooter at the corner, such and such. And John just couldn't take his eyes off the helicopters. And I kept saying, I kept saying, but you got to explain the stuff going on at the ground, too, to complete the story. And he was obsessed over the helicopters. And I think He's right about that, but it's not the whole story. And you wonder, you know, the further you get away from the incident, the harder to piece together the actual story will become, correct? Because I mean, like, well, when I was piecing it together, the YouTubes were disappearing as fast as you can find them. They were absolutely, they were being taken down very, very quickly.

So is that, is that the sign that you're on to something? I would think that would be one of the theories. I mean, it could be some YouTube policy about not letting shootings show up on YouTube or something, but that's a historic moment. They weren't bash for about 3,000 people dying in 9-11. Yeah. We showed those over and over and over. I've been seeing a current trend as of today with YouTube removing videos from 2021.

So I had this harmless conversation with two local guys. It just happened to me. It just happened to me. Well, there you go. I just, Marty Bet just posted a tweet today that said that a podcast, he and I did from 2021, have been taken up by YouTube as of this morning. Well, you're the third then, because I certainly, when it's Peter McCullough, it just gets remote, right? It's just like that name, boom, gone.

So we were talking vaccine too. We, we, I had, so mine was two local guys, Dave. and you know we're talking about things going on in Lloydminster and um uh one of my friends went back listened to it he said you bring up vaccine once you bring up you you bring it up once in a two hour conversation and you know there's no name recognition these two guys aren't on the front lines of of you know they're not they're not peter mckella i guess they're not dave column of of uh the internet or the podcast space so it seemed very odd to me and and youtube i forget how they put it. I'm not even sure they gave me a strike. I think they said something along the lines of

Did you get booted from YouTube or just that video? You know what? I took a picture of it. How would I pull up the picture here and I'll read it all? Well, Marty did too. So I retweeted it and I retweeted it and I started it. And then I repeated it. I said, well, although the virus story is no longer toxic, columns ideas are still toxic. It says we wanted to let you know our team reviewed your content we think it violates our medical misinformation policy we know you may not have realized this was a violation of our policies so we're not applying a strike to your channel however we've removed the following content from you youtube and it's my i'm on episode 600 and 88 i believe with you this was episode 149 that's how far back they were they must they must have come up with an algorithm

that they were 100% morning and so the algorithm went through and just whooshed it out now what's the risk of Well, the risk of that tells me they're teeing up something new. Because those YouTube's would just, you know, you can still find Building 7 collapsing and stuff like that. And so, you know, they don't, they don't, building seven collapsing would be taken off repeatedly. There's still video showing no plane at the Pentagon. There's still video showing no plane at Shanksville. Those are not being removed. They're buried, but they're not being removed.

So the fact of removing the virus tells me, maybe they're teeing up for a monkey pox. or some bird flu, you know, thing. And it also tells me that maybe it's pre-election, which means in the middle of the election, there will be chaos again. And then we can find out that there were 89 million people who were dumber than Kamala as evidenced by the fact they voted for. Yeah.

That's not a bad, you know, I guess I didn't put, I saw the trial. I'm winging. I agree. But I mean, we're seeing the trend real time right now. The fact that's happened to one of your conversations, it happened. Like when I got the email, I'm like, what the day? That is, you know, when it comes up Peter McCullough or Robert Malone or one of the names, they've all been removed by this time, right? That conversation hasn't been.

From YouTube, is that true? I presume so. I'm suffering such COVID exhaustion. And I wrote a lot about COVID too. Well, here's again, in the COVID story, there's a gradient of people who should. be tried in the Hague and executed down to people who are just being stupid. And they're culpable, but degrees. Here's the thing about episode 149.

Like when I think back on my journey, you know, I wasn't January 2020 talking about COVID. It took me a long time to talk about COVID. And so 149, I just going to, once again, and folks, bear with me here. I'm going to scroll back to when that is. because I want to make... Well, I have emails from January of 2029 saying there's something funny about this pandemic. It was moving funny.

It had a pattern that didn't make sense to me. I was having exchanges with a biochemist. I started reading about pandemics and shit back in 2005. I'd picked up a few books along the way. You keep looking. Tell me when to shut out. And I'd read John Barry's book on The Great Influen, which is a brilliant book.

I had read books on how hard it is to make vaccines, for example. It was an unbiased book. We're just saying, here are all the vaccines and military is made. They kill people. Real serious problem. I read Demon in the freezer about the Soviet bio-weapons labs, which there appear to be 36 bio-weapons lab in Ukraine that are clearly not Soviet bio-weapons labs.

They are as admitted by Victoria Newland. And so, it sounds to me like they're starting to tee something up well think about this i it was it was it was february 2021 when i did that uh yeah february 2021 so like covid is is is you know full force but i hadn't been doing anything back then like it oh oh 20 21 now i was banging on it in right and i was i was still dragging my feet with the podcast like do i really need to tell talk about this or is it going to go away right i've come i've come leaps and bounds so when you when you talk about well it sounds like they're teeing things up and we know the election's coming and we're

starting to see this trend of youtube removing things from well over three years ago you're like why the heck are they doing that when you talk building seven and everything else they bury it i agree 100% with you that seems a bit ridiculous what if the messages to to all podcasters who mentioned vaccine don't do that again. And as a consequence, they're teeing up the possibility where the next one comes and all of a sudden, Sean Newman says, fuck, I'm not talking about it. Yeah, they don't know me well enough that. Well, the algorithm does.

The algorithm. Yeah, but the algorithm, the algorithm is throwing a shot across the bow. So there's so many topics now that you can't talk about because of the risk. I did a podcast with Andy Millett. And somehow I went a little loose cannon on and I started talking about the wave of anti-Semitism and all the nuance and complexity of talking about Gaza and Israel and stuff like that. And the complexity is that on a campus, if you open your mouth against Palestine, you're going to be in a shit show. If you open your mouth against Israel, you're going to be in a shit show, which means on a campus, if you open your mouth, you're going to be in a shit show.

And the challenges, anti-Semitism is used as a cancel culture equivalent because, you know, if you want to pick on George Soros, there's going to be some people who say you're anti-Semitic. I go, no, he's a douchebag. I didn't say he was, you know, he's bad because he's Jewish. I said, he's a douchebag. He's a psychopath, right? You talk about, you know, the megabanks.

You cannot talk about the megabanks and their influence on Western history. without hitting the Rothschilder, boom, anti-Semitism. Right? And it's a problem, and I don't think I'm anti-Semitic. Well, but I think talking about those topics. We probably, I just probably got this shit booted off YouTube for Christ. Well, I've been, here's the thing is, me and YouTube go way back. I'm so frustrated with YouTube.

If it wasn't such a great platform, right? But that needs new ownership. Like, I mean. But it's changing. It's not as good as it used to be. Sure. Yes. When I go to YouTube and I'm looking, it used to be they gave me great videos like it would, I'd go to YouTube and the choices, the first five choices were spectacularly relevant. Now it's garbage. Now they're TikToking me. And they know I'm kind of a YouTube TikTok equivalent junkie where I can watch chicks doing the shuffle dance all day long. But, but, but, but, but, but, but they're feeding me much more garbage now. It's not. meaty material in my opinion.

Well, when you go back to, as far as getting booted off YouTube, I could care less. One of the things I made, I came to peace with when you... You couldn't care less. Correct. Technically, you couldn't care less. Correct. Is, I'm like, I'm not going to censor conversations in order to get YouTube to allow me to be on there.

I think that's, I guess that's part of the way we got into where we're at, right? Is by not talk about the things. when you bring up anti-Semitism and you talk about just George Soros, he's a douchebag, and then I go, well, he's, you know, you're, they try and lump him in the fact you're doing that is because he's Jewish, right? He's really interesting because one of the things I heard in the dark days of COVID was the Khazarians. Have you ever heard about the Khazarians? I do know the Khazarians, but I'm drawing a blank as to why it's in the inner recesses. Well, and this, forgive me, folks, this is where I need.

have the third person on and do a whole deep dive into it but the general idea is they come from an area over towards russia and uh they're straight evil and one of the things they did way back when is they took on the jewish faith and they became fake jews right and the idea was in russia this is in russia not ukraine it's right around that area because area how they How do you spell Kazarian? That's a good question. Nomadic Turkish people. Modern European, Russia, southern Ukraine.

And when did they become fake Jews? How do you spell it, though? Kazarian, K-H-A-Z, A-R-I-A-N. Okay. Got it. Check them out. I'll give you the cliff notes, and then I'll have people

texting me like you're a moron you didn't get this right and everything else but the the the general idea that's how you actually learn is you put out something on on twitter that's not quite right and then you just start reading so the general idea is and this is what i've seen alex jones say stop saying it's the jews and then stew peters goes i'm not saying it's the jews i'm saying people are hiding behind the jews and that stems all the way down to the kizarians that's where they go that's where all these stories lead back to and i had you know when i first heard i'm like that's insane When did this happen? Like how many hundreds of years ago?

Hundreds? Hundreds? Hundreds. Centries? Yes. And what they did is... You're willing to fake a religion for hundreds of years? Because of the protection...

Because of the protection it provides you. But wait a minute. Since when do the Jews feel protected? Well, that... That makes sense. Every time they open their mouth, someone tries to shoot something at them, right? I mean, I am sympathetic to the fact that, you know, I've asked colleagues, this is what I got into with Andy Millett, is this, I've asked colleagues, you know, when did anti-Semitism start? It actually, one colleague actually said Diocletian did it.

He went and slaughtered Jews, right? Back in the old days, just slaughtered people for who the fuck knows why. He just did it. Oh, wait a minute. It's just like now. And, but it was particularly brutal. So what he did is he said, oh, but they're subhuman and he demon. them to get off the hook and therefore that was one answer I got.

You know, the problem is talking about religion. I'm not an atheist. I'm not an atheist, but I didn't learn about, I didn't, I didn't go through a Catholic training. I didn't go through a Jewish training. So I'm really ignorant, right? That's why I don't comment about it beyond just the implication that really don't have. You don't need to know that. If you want to really see something interesting, when Stu Peters went on Alex Jones,

now man, that's got to be three, four months ago now, if you go back and find that, Dave, and I'll see if I can find it for you, and then I can just email it to you. You listen to Alex Jones, everybody needs to stop saying it's the Jews, and Stu Peters getting really frustrated and saying, I'm not saying that. I'm saying this.

And it's really interesting. And you start to see this, you know, like I would say, you know, if I was an outsider looking in, Stu Peters and Alex Jones are side by side. Basically, you know, there's thought. So Stu Peters is one of these

bimodal sort of characters, too, like Alex Jones, where, where you get, you can see him and you go, this guy's bananas. And then you can see him in a different setting, and you go,

the guy seems smart. Like post, post, Posebiak, John, Jack, Poscibiak. He did an interview with Tucker Carlson. I go, oh shit he is way got way more under the hood than i thought correct right well i and that's what

alex jones did for me even though he disagreed with everything stew peters was saying i was like holy crap stew peters is because stew peters reminds me of a shock every time he gets on he's trying to inflame you to get to watch right but then when he got beside alice jones i was like actually this guy's got as you would put it a little more under the hood than i gave him credit for There's a name John Carroll, I think his name is, on Twitter. John Carroll, who's who best I can tell. And I'm not being elitist. I know I'm at Cornell.

This guy does, I don't think this guy went to college. And the reason that's important because the guy's incredibly scholarly. And so I know guys who are incredibly smart who were plumbers and shit. The smartest guy ever met with possibly was a third grade educated guy. I don't equate education with intelligence. but usually when a guy's really smart usually the system has a way of filtering up through and then if it doesn't

the guy doesn't end up being a thought leader in this intellectual so so this is that Ian Ian Carroll Ian Carroll The tall guy with the mustache who breaks down black I got to see him in person

He breaks down everything Got to see him live in person in Idaho So who the fuck is he He's a giant He can talk about everything He is a giant of a man he he he he's like physically or intellectual like physically man he walked into the room and i'm like holy crap this guy like you know you can't ever all you ever see is his face right in him doing the

videos he probably he probably he's probably six five is my guess right like he walks in and you're like holy crap there's a dude he's so sharp yes he's so sharp well he his his when i saw him live Dave. What he said, he came to do a workshop in Boise, Idaho, I think it was. You know, on our trip, my brother sent me, because, you know, I feel like most people follow his videos. Oh, this is interesting. And my brother pointed out, hey, he's where you are right now. So I went and shook his hand and talked to him for, you know, brief 10 seconds because he was getting, you know, hammered by the entire public.

And when he came out on stage and started talking his workshop, up on on black rock and all these companies he said you know when he was younger because i believe he's early 30s if memory serves me correct he said you know i wanted to become an expert in something and he thought if i go and i want to make my money so if i stare at the world runs on money so if i stare at money i'm going to figure out how it works and there i can climb the ladder essentially i'm breaking it down a little bit i'd love to get him on to talk about it and as he started looking into money that's how he started to find out like all the things that are wrong with how money is created and and on and on and on and that was his presentation he just he just did one recently

on exactly that again um he he talked it but do you sit and look at him and go there's something more than that than just a citizen journalist or do you go i don't know so so i'm slowly building a network of guys so like for example mike bends is fantastic he's he's he's he's encyclopedic on certain topics and somehow we connected on Twitter and it catches my attention because once in a while your breath gets taken away when you get a Twitter connection. Jack Dorsey followed me. I go, whoa. Joe Rogan follows me. I go, whoa, right? Some are just trophies. But Ben's, it's like two or three hundred thousand followers, follows 200 people and he follow me and I'm going, why, why? Where did our Venn diagram all sudden overlap? And we've had a few

exchanges, but, but I mentioned him favorably on Twitter about something. And a guy who I also like sends me a DMC's, be careful of Mike Ben's. And I'm going, fuck, fuck, right? I'm, I'm, I, I was on a Zoom call with a guy named Tony Schaffer was on Twitter. And Tony's walk to walk, talk to talk. He was talking about Rumsfeld and all these guys. He's a DOD intelligence officer. And I'm fact checking him. And there he is.

He is everywhere. He's like, he's like, you know, he's like photo bombing every single geopolitical event possible. And he seems very straightforward. And then I'm talking to some guys says, oh, don't trust Schaffer. And I'm going, oh, come on. Right. And so there's all these guys and there's people who,

think they're not good guys and people think they are good guys for all i know in carroll's god damn you know limited hangout cia plan i don't know but he's entertaining yeah i i think you know if if if if you sit here you have to use your discernment to figure out who the heck is good and bad this is this is why i interview people for long form long form and then you have to watch watch what they do and i agree very hard But I sit here and you could go, who's this Canadian? I can tell you exactly who I am. And I can tell people, you know, I've been told that I'm a show for our government,

which I find hilarious, right? Because I, you know, I mean, Tom and Alex have literally come up to Canada now twice. And they've got to seat and meet my family and everything else. I can safely say, you know, I've never had anything to do. Well, you know, Intel guys have I. I agree. But what I'm trying to get to, Dave, is, What COVID has created is a bunch of citizen journalists on the rise.

It just has. Does that mean you could- Is that part of the plan? Did they fuck it up? They didn't, they did not see Sean Newman talking hockey and, and community members all of a sudden doing a 180. And that Campbell, that guy named Campbell, John Campbell. John Campbell, all of a sudden now, you know, and John O'Leary, I'm in a doctor's Zoom group, which by the way, our next Zoom, calls today at three. And they brought in everyone you can imagine. You name it, David. That's where

Tony Schaffer came through. I did two myself. So I was a visiting guest twice in the middle of a talk on child trafficking. An ex-CIA guy shows up. I got where did this guy come from? And it turns out the guy who runs the thing turns out to have known him for 25 years. And he shows up for the last like half hour of a two and a half hour presentation. And then they asked him to summarize child trafficking problem. Without him having watched me talk, and it's like I got 100% of the final exam. It was unbelievable sort of overlap of the two presentations.

At one point he says, look, you're not going to stop it because he says, you know, probably 18, 20% of the CIA is involved in child trafficking, right? Stuff like that. The Clinton Foundation traffics children. best at all evidence as the Clinton Foundation traffic's children. This is a very dark world. This is the world that's as dark as all the shit you've ever read in history

that you thought was gone and it's not gone. I'm reading Diana West's book. I'm having these, I'm reading these books and they're all colliding. And they're all colliding within like the last three weeks. Diana West, who's a former Sunday morning roundtable level talk show person, right? One of those. She is written a book about how the U.S. government was completely infiltrated by Soviet spies, completely. That McCarthy was dead right.

They demonized them. Very thoroughly documented. To give you an example of how bad it was, FDR's right-hand man, a guy named Hopkins, Harry Hopkins. was Soviet spy from head to toe to the core. And he would sit there with FDR every evening till later and I'd talk about what happened that day, what they'd do the next day. He was his right-hand man.

He was Nixon's Henry Kissinger. He was, whatever. And then you find out that the government completely hid the Soviet atrocities. You get that from Michael Malice's book, the journalist, totally covered up Stalin's slaughters. And Diana West really documents the hell out of it, how you came up with a story about some slaughter. You got squashed like a bug, the White House, you name it. The Soviets were sunshine, Skittles, rainbows.

And then, so then I'm reading a book simultaneously by Fiergis O'Connor Greenwood. And basically, he's written the encyclopedia of everything that's fucked up. And he covered, he says, I'm going to try to show you how wrong you've had it on every topic. And he hits 9-11 in Pearl Harbor. And he hits, I don't know if his book was 2021. So I don't know if he's going to even touch COVID. But I know what he, I'm positive. I know what he thinks.

He sent me the book. I put it off because there's 800 pages. And it's riveting. Now, what he points out is that the, that the megabanks funded, founded the Soviet Union, the Lenin, Stalin, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, these guys were all deeply embedded in the Western society. And the bank of banks said, look, we need red team, blue team. And so they funded the Soviet Union, they supported it. This gets back to the Rothschilds, oh, you anti-Semitic piece of shit, right? You're back to that world. And then, then you

realize, you start thinking about this, you go, holy shit, no wonder we handed over half of Western Europe to the Soviet Union. Now wonder, right, and that's what West obsesses over. And the problem is you can't talk about this topic without ending up brushing against or entering the world of anti-Semitism. So the guys who write books about this stuff are either at risk of being called anti-Semites or are at risk of being anti-Semites.

And it makes for a very difficult thing because you're sitting on all those fuckers And you go, oh, Jesus, right? And so you can't talk rationally about what's going on in the Gaza Strip right now. What's clear to me is that it's much more complicated than just Hamas hit Israel. It's just so complicated. And unlike Ukraine, where I was willing to dig in and say, I think I now sort of have a feel for what's going on there,

there's no chance I have a feel for it's going on on Gaza Lebanon Iran the shit's hitting the fan there in ways that are way more consequential than

than a Hamas raid and a retribution it's going way outside of that line and I'm sure I know Luongo he says the Davos guys right well the thing you go back to Ian Carroll you know is he a CIA plant isn't he

a CIA plan. One of the... Or what is he? Or what is he? Sure. What is he? He's phenomenal. He's phenomenal what he does. Well, you look at that and you go, one of the issues I see playing out over and over and over again is as someone like Ian Carroll rises, then people attack him, right? And they, and they, and as Tom or Alex or both of them probably point out that the information space is just overloaded. Alex, by the way, is in my doctor's Zoom group. He'll probably be there this afternoon and three. I'll tell him I say hello. This is a tiny little world. It is.

So Fergus quoted me twice in his 800-page book. And as I told someone, I said, look, he's phenomenal with quotes. If you're going to write an 800-page book literally with quotes, we all get quoted by the end, right? You got to quote everybody if you're going to cover 800 pages. But don't you see, like, we talk about this little space, right? and then and then you see how the inner attacks happen and how people call each other oh don't be careful of that person that person not good and if you dig like i feel like what's happening right now since covid is there's this rise of the citizen journalist some very very popular and they've made

choices that some of us wouldn't have made may be gone and done things that uh now you stare at and wow they've been they've been to that they went to the republican convention they must be a part of the republican right and and we start to do this we start to do this web of and instead of like wow they're just doing something really good and and and they're like because you're looking at ean carroll he's breaking down a whole bunch of the stuff that was broke down by other people at least two years ago, if not three, probably three years ago. Oh, it's not new material. He's just doing it very charismatic.

Charisma. Yeah. And so then people So then people go, Elon Musk must be in on it. Or somebody must be funding him because how is he doing what he's doing? I don't know. I showed up to Boise, Idaho, where they were charging $20 at the door.

And I showed up just randomly because I found out about it, and it was sold up. It was packed. People were there from all over the place. I would not have known Ian Carroll. See, I kind of figured Ian Carroll must be this zone of the internet

that, that, to me, there's, there's the internet and there's real life. Sure. And I would have thought Ian Carroll would stay exclusively internet. So that,

that's interesting that he can draw a crowd like that. Well, I mean, he, yeah, I don't know, went, it's full house. It was an interesting, you know,

As I sit there, I'm looking around the room going, like, who the heck are all these people, right? And it was an interesting demographic of people from probably 80 years old to, I would say, as young as 20. And the spectrum of women and guys was across the board. There was a couple mega hats, but not. It wasn't like everybody was wearing Trump stuff. That wasn't what it was.

It was across the board. And people who want an answer. It's people who want an answer. And the bar owner, yeah, and the bar owner was fantastic. He had a really interesting speech at the start. And, you know, as I'm talking about it, I've got to line up a date. I plan to bring him on because I think it's fantastic for a bar to bring somebody in like that to just have open discussion and basically say, listen, I know he's not right on everything. But I think a problem in society is we're not willing to have differing opinions and this is what we want to do here.

A very interesting. Well, great example of that is, is, again, one of these mystery connections. Twitter to me, there's people who make sense that I'm connected with and people who just baffle me. And one of the ones who baffles me turns out to be Chris Hedges. Now, Chris Hedges and I are really on the opposite end of the polls. But I will listen to Chris all day long because he is so scholarly. presenting the other side that you have to listen to him. I'm a pro-choice guy.

I listen to Ben Shapiro talk about, you know, anti-abortion. Because if there's anyone who can make a case, I'd say, I had not thought of that. It would be Ben Shapiro because he's that smart. And so, and so, Ian Carroll's one of those guys. There's a bunch of them now, right? There's a bunch. Stu Peters is an interesting guy because I really, do see two personas and usually you see Stu Peters presenting himself and that's the

shock jock but I've seen him in another center where I go that's that's kind of a different guy now my Zoom group had a guy and it named Stephen Coughlin and this doc zoom group started because of COVID and someone said invited me and so there's there's virologists there's docs mostly docs at the start. And then there's lawyers who are involved, like the group included, the guy who's the point man for the $3 trillion class action suit against Pfizer that's working us right through the courts. And there's other lawyers for other cases that are working the way through the court. So it's a really interesting group. So this guy, one day this guy starts talking, he's a guy named Stephen Kaufman, a spectacle guy. And we don't all know each other.

That's the interesting thing. You get to know each other. And Stephen's, you starts talking about Hegelian philosophy. And he starts talking about, Hegel and this and that. And at first, he got, oh, this guy's gone off the rails. And then he starts making sense. And he's going somewhere with it. And some guy interrupts and says, are you a philosophy professor

or something like that? And he says, now I'm trained as a lawyer, but I'm former NSA analyst. I go, whoa, whoa, tell me about that. And it turns out that he was in charge of sort of looking at Islam. and understanding, he said, you cannot understand Islam. You cannot understand the terrorists. You cannot understand that world without knowing Hegelian philosophy.

He says, that's the framework that they think through. It would be like trying to understand the woke movement without knowing the vocabulary of intersectionalism and stuff like that. You have to know that. You have to be James Lindsay to understand the woke world, that sort of thing. And then one day we're talking about they. We're talking about the pandemic at some point. Some aspect of my, the they.

And I said, Stephen, who are the they? Who are we talking about? And the word they is this catch-all for the bad guys, right? Evildoers. He says, I don't, this is a profound thing he said that I've expanded to far more settings than just the one we're in. And he says, I don't like to name a name because if I say Bill Gates, then you will say, oh, now we have an answer. Bill Gates is bad, what's for dinner, you get to stop thinking. So I don't like, I don't like to tie a bow on something like that. He didn't use that term. And he said, I like to think of

this top echelon as a self-assembling oligarchy. They don't know each other. Some know each other, but it's this web of connections. And so my metaphor, if that was, well, it's like a murmuration of starlings. If you've ever looked at when you go, what an amazing, we organized thing in the these patterns which they fly around, but there's no bird leading that. They're somehow just, there's a social organism that has this unbelievable ability to assemble. That's what the they are. And that they will move and shift and they'll agree on some stuff and not everything else. So then I'm reading Dinah West book.

And she starts talking about how, she starts talking about the U.S. in the Middle East, and how they basically, I don't know, I'm not sure I get the word right, but so my de-Islamicized their thinking. And I think the idea behind de-Islamicizing it, I think the evildoers, the they, they don't want to declare war against Islam because that's two billion people. So, you know, right away we'd go, no, no, no. If it's two billion people you don't agree, we'd just stay away from them, right? No, you don't get to declare war. So you create terrorists. So now the war on terror covers Islam, but it's a war on terror.

And they were the Islamistizing. So she starts talking about Stephen Coughlin. And what a God he is in that world. And he's trying to say, here's what you have to understand. And the guys in the Pentagon, the guys, the guys calling the shots and the U.S. hierarchy said, fuck you and ignored him. he's on twitter by the way he's quietly on twitter let me give you his twitter fee is it is it uh unconstrained analytics so uh s coflin dc uh let me let me find it let me

a new i'm i'm i'm connected with them no g h l i um um stephen um um stephen God damn it, you're an idiot, Dave. Oh, wow, whatever. So is that it? Yeah, that's it. That's it. So we are connected on Twitter. And his wisdom of saying, avoid arguments that shut down, you're thinking. So when someone says you're a conspiracy theorist, I am militantly pro-conspiracy theory.

I'm a conspiracy theorist. When I hear someone say, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I don't let them even get past the butt. I say, stop. Why are you not a conspiracy theorist? Are you so stupid as to think there's no conspiracies? What the fuck kind of a statement is that? They go, well, yeah, then stop saying it. Embrace it.

Men and women of wealth and power conspire. And if you don't think so, you're a mourn. I tweeted that and became this famous tweet. Actually, that one made it in the, in the Fergus's book. And I said, if you're not, you're a moron, you're an idiot. You're what's called an idiot. And if you are, if you are a conspiracy theorist, you believe this stuff, but you won't say anything. You're called you're a coward.

Embrace the concept. You're a conspiracy theorist. Embrace it, accept it. Don't use it pejoratively. It is a 1967 CIA memo that said, tar people with this brush. By the way, the corollary, which people far less understand is Hanlon's raised, which says don't attribute to, nefarious behavior, what you can attribute to incompetence. I go, handling those fucking CIA too.

Right? So don't blame us nefarious guys. We're incompetent. Look at the defense of all these things that aren't explainable. Pearl Harbor gets attacked. Oh, they fucked up. Trump almost gets killed. Oh, they fucked up.

They love to say they're incompetent. They want us to think they're boneheads. If you think Ali North and E. Howard Hunt, we're bonehead. The one I like to point out is the sinking of the Lusitania, World War I. Oh, that's a great example. It's so far back, Dave. Nobody can get emotional about it.

Actually, when I bring it up, people are like, why are you going so far back? I'm like, because you don't care. Because it's a continuous stream of pattern. Yes. That's why. It hasn't changed. By the way, Fergus is a nice job on that. 180, the book, he does a nice job.

be there's all books on that one so so you could go there but fergus has a nice job of talking going through the details of how much the germ is trying to warn people don't get on that fucking ship because we're going to have to sink if it comes and we we made sure that people got on that ship and you know it's i don't think there's been a war in the last 130 years that wasn't started by something we did intentionally i don't think there's a single one name one i'll tell you what we did golf war we teed up seded up to attack Kuwait. We teed them up. We said we don't have a problem. We have no issues between you and Kuwait. And Saddam was pissed at Kuwait because they were stealing some of his oil,

you know, revenues and shit. And we just said we don't care between you and Kuwait. That's your problem. Well, one of the things, one of the things. The claim is we thought he was just going to hit a couple oil fields. Scott Horton, who's also written a book and is a very good book. Scott actually lets us off the hook on that one. I would have said Scott would go towards that we teed up Saddam to go into Kuwait. And he actually attributes it to incompetence that our State Department said shit to Saddam that we somehow fucked up and he misunderstood.

I don't buy that story. So I disagree with Scott. And one day I was looking, but I got out of Scott. You know, Scott Horton? So I got out of Scott and I watched it. Oh, this guy's really good. And I'm going to have to read his book. And then I start looking for podcasts.

There's a podcast. I had done a podcast with him. I didn't remember it. Dave's done so. It was on the screep-up. It was on the screepal poisoning in Great Britain, where the Ruski's poisoned the father-daughter team with nerve guests. And I call bullshit on Twitter.

I was the only organic chemists to call bullshit. No. The other organic chemistry, they weren't paying attention or not opening their mouths. They said, they're lying, they're lying. This is not unique Russian technology because any fucking moron organic chemist could make this shit. So don't tell me this is uniquely Russian technology. Next thing I know, I'm on George Galloway show repeatedly. Al Jazeera is calling me, Russian today's calling me.

And I'm going on. I'm saying, fuck that. I'm not letting him get away with it. So I was on. And they tried to get me to say shit I didn't know. I said, no, I'm just telling you any meatloaf in any country could make this thing, could make this nerve agent. You might die because you're a slob and you spilled it on you,

but it's a three-step synthesis from shit you can buy on the end. internet. You know, one, when you go back to, you know, point out a war and I'll point out, you know, how they instigated or, you know, in embracing being a conspiracy theorist, one of the things, so I had Tom and Alex in Canada, April. They came late April and I put on a conference. There was the first one, plan on doing it again in April, the Cornerstone Forum for those who were in Canada and made the track. And one of the things, you know, I've learned since, really doing a 180 on where I thought the podcast was going and, you know, back then talking hockey to now, you know, talking all the...

Doing a 360. Yeah, maybe. Is, as soon as you start looking at history, as soon as you start reading different things, I just finished Atlas Shrugged. And I just, you know, that is a long book. You want to talk a long book. That's a long book. I read it.

I did the audio. We talked about... We talked about this last time because I hadn't finished it yet. I just finished it a couple weeks ago. And I just keep being shocked at how, you know, around the time of World War II, these great writers are telling these stories that echo 100 years later, roughly. Right. They just, they just like, holy crap. How did they?

Warwell, Huxley. Yeah. And so I go, the forum is about, okay, things are bad, right? Like, I mean, like, we've been bad for three years now. And if you talk, well, if I talk to people who've been staring at this for longer than that, they can go back to JFK. Heck, there's probably people back in World War I going, what the heck are we sending our kids over there for?

They literally just sunk the lucidaneas, nobody paying attention. You know, you can imagine. Wilson got reelected on the, we're not going to war policy, and then as soon as he got elected, he went to war. Right. So I go, if you rewind to the start of this conversation where we're talking about YouTube and removing things that seem unconsequential. It's like, why are they doing that?

One of the things I'm... Jonathan Turley's new book is worth to read, by the way, if you have time. Jonathan Turley. Jonathan Turley. He's that George Washington University scholar who I think should be on the Supreme Court. He's a legal scholar, T-U-R-L-E-Y, writes these very thoughtful op-eds for all the major news outlets. He's, you know, Sunday morning level expert. And he wrote this book on free speech.

And he talks about how... When the world gets more dangerous, anti-sedition laws get more intense. It correlates every time. So whenever there's a problem, the guy, people start opposing free speech. And he goes through the history of this, where as soon as you know, this and that, the whiskey rebellion and freeze rebellion. And there's all these rebellions. And every time, all of a sudden someone decides, okay, we got to curb the speech because it's for our own good. And he says now we're in a period of rage again, and they're curbing free speech again.

Well, I guess where I'm sitting, Dave, is I find your thought on the YouTube thing interesting. Because one of the things sitting in this space, right, being in this small world, is we all start noticing trends. That's odd. That's odd. You know, I never thought it would lead to Trump getting shot. Tom would laugh at me for that. Probably Alex too. Probably YouTube. What scares me is that they're going to do it again.

So one of the trend, the other. trends there's well i don't know i there's lots of different things to poke at but the word civil war has been talked is getting used very very rapidly you look at britain right and what's going on there and you're like they're just throwing out civil war like it's it's it's you know common language three years ago in the middle of lockdowns in canada nobody was talking about civil war and i'm like and that was we lived in insane land isn't britain's screaming about civil war really of sort of the millennium old Islam Christianity battle. Isn't that part of what's causing that in Britain? I think so. I mean, it's tough for me not being there, right? Like I, you know,

when you look at social media, you could go, oh, this is really bad. But if you live in that country, maybe it's not as bad as one thinks. I have no idea. It looks bad. I go here in the States. I was sitting in the States when Trump got shot. And the next morning, after he's a lot, I'm sitting at a hotel eating breakfast, and there was me and one other man watching the TV, and we looked over each other and we nodded. And I'm like, that's all who cared about it. I'm like, this is really strange, right?

But it's just, it's just, an attempt of assassination has now been downgraded to a political story. Yeah, and I might even argue that the population doesn't care. And I know parts of. People who don't care really are so clueless. You have to care about. Now, when I first saw it, I thought it was fake. My first instinct was fake.

Part of it's because it was so, Trump, and I can't rule it out. It's just, it's probabilities, right? If it doesn't defy the laws of physics, there's a non-zero probability that it's true. The fake moon landing, there's a real probability that it's true. It might be a real low probability. I know people, there's a documentary out there that people, I actually go, holy shit, that is bothersome. There's a new movie.

What's the new movie out that's on the fake moon landing movie? It's got big stars in it, too. Woody Harrelson's in it. Woody Harrelson's a renegade. Fly me to the moon. Coming out this year. Right. That's going to be entertaining.

I saw the after that. You're right. You're right. There's also a documentary out there showing that the sound of freedom. was a hoax. I didn't find the document. If I saw just the documentary, I wouldn't be sold,

but I'd been reading a ton about it. And I, I don't know if it's a hoax, but I think we had Ballard on our Zoom group. Just give you, again, the Zoom group was amazing. Interesting. Ballard group, but trolls hit it, and I got blocked out.

I couldn't, I didn't, I came in a few minutes late, and they'd locked down the Zoom. And I'm gone, oh, fuck. He bothered me. I had already read plenty to tell me there's something fishy going on with this story. But he was trying to raise more money for a sequel. A couple of people sort of hinted in their questions from the group about why do you

need to raise money. You just made $200 million. He said, well, I didn't make $200 million. I'm going, yeah, well, excuse me, someone did, and they would give you $14 million to make another if they made $200 on the first. So why are you trying to raise $14 million? So I'm somewhere between the story is basically kind of real, but he's a grifter to the whole thing is fake. Now, I know the trafficking is real, but a ballot has too many associations with too many sketchy people and his stories. But there's a documentary called, what the hell is it? He's on Twitter.

He just follow me. Red-pilled America on Twitter. This is, we should just, uh, red-pilled, uh, red-pilled America. Um, yes, red-pilled America, red-pilled America on Twitter and the documentary, it sure's hell ought to be his pin tweet. If it's, if it's not, he's blowing it. Um, I hate to tell you, but it's, oh, there it is. It's called rescue ruse.

Rescue ruse. And, yeah, it's pin there. How sound of freedom con, Christians, world premiere. And people had been. So when Son of Freedom came out, there are people talking about how phenomenal the story was. And people say, no, no, no, this is a scam. But it looked to me like I read enough about child trafficking to convince myself that the traffickers would jump on this one hard. And that this story would be squashed as fast as it could.

So I just, when Rolling Stone comes out and says, this is a bunch of Christian bullshit and stuff like that. I now have to go back through all my notes and stuff because it's still. and the crockpots simmering to figure out where I finally stand on Sound of Freedom. I do think the trafficking problem is a fundamental problem. And I think I just did a podcast with Nick Bryant, who wrote the Franklin scandal. Now, I think Nick arguably is one of the most knowledgeable experts on trafficking. And the Franklin scandal is a Rosetta Stone to me. It's the best document to understand how fucked up the trafficking system is.

Now, the problem with Bryant is, Brian's a data guy. He does not like talking about stuff that he doesn't have pretty hard data. So when he did the podcast, I was trying to lead him towards some, what do you think about this? It's pleading the fifth a lot. And I don't blame them. I've also noticed that victims of trafficking will name names, but only of people who are dead.

They're pretty careful not to name names of the living. And I think, but the names are disturbing. Gerald Ford, for example. The two-time prime minister of Belgium, you know, there's various characters. The royal family is just a bunch of purves, best I can tell them. The royal families, potentially in Europe, but the old dynasties are,

malice was talking about that yesterday, actually. bunch of perves, the enbredded perves. I guess it doesn't shock me. No. The guy reached out to me from Northern Europe to talk about this. And I asked what I said is Europe worse than U.S. He said, yeah, I think it's because the dynastic history goes way, way back.

And you think if you were that powerful, you live in an already messed up world. You just do. But I'm guessing. So something the other day picked up on the church and trafficking doesn't shock you. The church and pedophilia doesn't shock you because if you tell some guy, look, you're picking a career where you can't have sex for the rest of your life. Don't be surprised if that doesn't work perfectly. And so I found the church pedophilia and the church coverups and stuff.

They just, they don't have a lot of information. in it for me, but I then saw something the other day that said they were embedding pedophiles in the church on purpose. I go, okay, that's getting more interesting now. Now, I read Operation Gladio, which is about the global drug trade. CIA, Vatican organized crime. So it's a triumbrate. Organized crime gets the drugs to the street. Vatican is the bankers. CIA takes care of geopolitical problems. And it's a compelling. So we know the CIS are fingers in it. What, what Operation Gladiol conveys is that they own the global drug trade with the exception of fentanyl. I think the fentanyl's Chinese. And I read Operation Gladio hoping they talked about child trafficking in the book. That's

the sexual reason I read the book. And I'm guessing they do because I think the CIA traffics anything that can make them black ops money. I don't think the CIA even works for us anymore. I'm I'm I I the federal reserve does not work for us right they don't work for us the federal reserve works for multinational banks what about jp morgan is u.s explain to me why jp morgan is u.s bank we've got branches in every country they got money in every country they got assets in every country but you're going to say but all they care about is the united states is that really the story you're going to go with right and the answer is no you and carroll would say no right and um and and And so if at some point throwing the United States under the bus is needed to somehow do

what's best for the global banking system, we will be looking at the axle immediately. There's no way they work for us. Even Paul Volcker, who's considered the hero, slaying inflation, there are actually arguments for why he didn't slay inflation. I got in an argument with the former vice president of St. Louis Fett over this. And he made a very interesting case that Volker's policies initially were anti-inflationary. But not all inflation is dealt with by hammering the economy. You can have a bad economy in high inflation, we call stagnation.

And the other thing is, if you're paying 15% interest on debt, right? If loans, which, again, Carol's very good at this stuff. I keep you hammering this guy. Let's say there's $100 trillion in the system. I'm just a round number. If you pay 15% interest on that $100 trillion at the end of the end of the year, there's there's 15. There's there's there's there's um I gotta do the math.

There's there's 150. There's 15 trillion more than at the start of the year. Because all those accounts got 15% return. You have to create money to do that. And where that money comes from is an interesting question. Now, you loan money into existence, but during stagflation, how do you loan 15% more into existence? It gets complicated. If you think you understand banking, it's like quantum mechanics.

It means you don't understand banking or quantum mechanics. So the Federal Reserve is does not work for us. It works. It's there to make sure the global, global banking system gets what it needs. What do you see, how many days away from the U.S. election are we sitting here today? About 85. How do I know that? Because they said 90 days, about five days ago. Man alive. 90 days. It's that. right? I don't know. Three months. Sure, three months. In three months time, Dave, I know you can't predict everything, but when you're looking at things, what are, what are, if you could

rattle off three things you think that might be thrown to try and steer this thing away from having Kamala speak to just pushing it across the line and getting her elected? What are some things you think they'll throw the American people's way and with that probably the world's way well the one thing you can't rule out i think jd vance has to be looked at very carefully i i can make a case either direction of why jd vans i wasn't thrilled by trump choosing jadie vans um jad d vans looks to me like he was groomed obama style from law school. Too many things work perfectly.

It gets out of law school. So here's a hillbilly goes to law school. When I read Hillbilly Allergy, which might have been one of those launch books for political campaign, right? Everyone has written a book. Everyone is Michelle, you name it. Everyone's written a book. And they're all, it's just propaganda. JD vass Hillbilly Allergy looked like an authentic book about a guy who just successful, you know,

coming out of the Ozarks, whatever. It turns out he grew up in Ohio. So he comes from hillbilly stock. And it's easier to watch the movie than to read the book, which we just did the other day. And you could argue his childhood sucked, you know, that the hillbillies had it tough. And he was raised by him. But he ends up at Yale law school. And then next thing you know, he's running a venture capital fund.

with seed money from Peter Thiel and Eric Schmidt. I go, wait, you can't even get an email from one of those guys unless you're really special. Those are arguably the top two dogs in venture capital, right? Those are the guys that Peter Thiel is a rainmaker. Eric Smith's phenomenal, phenomenally, wealthy. And all of a sudden, he's got money coming in from the two biggest guns. And Teal is very politically connected.

So Teal's not just a smart guy, a lot of money. He's much more of a political rainmaker than most people. Most of the Silicon Valley rich guys. I, by the way, think Jack Dorsey was crushed by what they did to Twitter. I think Jack wanted Elon to take Twitter and do what he did. Jack supported releasing the Twitter files, for example, stuff like that. I think Jack wanted to be a good guy. So in any event, so next thing you know, he's a senator.

Next thing you know, he's VP president, VP candidate. He came out of nowhere. And so then the question was the whole thing just groomed. So I worry about that. That's probably the, the, the, the, toughest thing of of the world of today and probably always is when you come out of nowhere in carroll you stare at that and the question for a person who embraces the conspiracy theorist is is there more to the story than he is just good at what he does and put his

talents to work and he rose up the ranks or and the problem is you just don't know and even I got approached to be an FBI informant at one point. Did you? You got to talk to me for an hour. Yeah. Someone else said you ought to talk to call them. You know, and it didn't strike me as that important because I think what you do is you have informants all. You have informants all over the planet.

And when you need some particular information, having informants on a college campus would make sense. I think I chat with a guy. They actually set up an agreement. Someone comes in and you talk to a lawyer. or they follow paperwork. I didn't do it. And he said, we just, you know, we just like to have people if they see a problem, if they see something suspicious. And I had a friend who was on a plane one day. And I think he probably is an FBI informant, but he was on a plane one day. And there was some guy sitting next to him, fiddling with some gizmo. And in trouble, and his friend's very smart, very intuitive.

And he got off the plane and he called his informant. He gave the guy's seat number and flight number stuff and said, something bugged me about this. Something like two months later, that guy got arrested on that flight for doing some bad shit. So he was testing some good. So it's kind of like, you know, James Woods did a Letterman show. And he's sitting there and it was after 9-11. and he said he was on a plane in which the first four seats were occupied by these Arab guys.

And he reached out to someone but said, look, these guys just look suspicious. They didn't fit. And it's such a funny story. And again, you know if it's true, I don't know. But he says 9-11 occurs. And the next morning, he gets a call from the FBI. and they said, we'd like to talk to you about that reported flight you were on. Because it was, you know, flight 93 or whatever, a month earlier.

And the funny part of the story is he says, he says, where would you like me to go? And they said, they said, well, we're sitting in front of your house. He says, he says, this brief moment of insanity, I find myself saying, how do you know where I live? And the guy says, we're the FBI. Now, that was back when I actually thought the FBI were fundamentally sound. I don't think they're fundamentally sound. I think probably a big percentage is. I think probably a big percentage is trying to solve bad crimes.

But there's this corruption at the top, which I think cannot be ignored. You cannot possible. FBI's where data goes to die. I mean, I think these raids on pedophiles are suffered around up the evidence and hide it. The laptop, right? They got the laptop and hit it. Do you find it wild, the Tulsi Gabbard news that she's on

watch list? Well, Tulsi Gabbard's complicated too, and generally I trust her. First of all, I don't think she's a pedophile, but I think Hillary is. So you can't say it just because she's a chick. If Tulsi is legit, she won't be allowed near the White House,

So far the evidence supports that. I would have loved it if Trump picked Tulsi Gabbard. I would have been happy with that. I could be just dead wrong. She was one of these World Economic Forum young leaders. And everyone always points that and say, therefore, but I go, yeah, but young leaders get invited to go rubbed shoulders with people. It doesn't mean they're corrupted. They might have gotten there and said, this creeps, you know, I'm done.

Right. Putin was one and you name it. There's a ton of them. There's a hundred thousand of them or something. You know, Matt Ron was one. Doesn't mean when you invite them to go rub shoulders. Someone I know who I actually know because she grew up in Ithaca is now rubbing shoulders with the Davos crowd pretty seriously. And I don't want to name her because I don't have any evidence.

She's a bad person, but people will immediately call her a bad person because of that. So I'm not going to name her. But it was a funny story. Grant Williams was setting up Real Vision TV. and I gave him a list of 100 people that he ought to consider. He asked for it. I said, here's 100 people. This is the group that if you say,

Column said you should do it. I think it'll help. This is the group that if you say, Column said, you should do it. They probably remember my name, but I don't know if it'll help. I said, these are the guys. I have their email. Yeah, Larry Summers. I have his email, you know.

And, and, and, and, and one day he called. he says, do you by chance to know such and such, this woman? And I just happened to be chatting with her two weeks or I said, yeah, and I introduced them. At that point, I think Grant thought I was Yoda or something. It was just luck. I'm a bit of a router, a networker. I never knew that, actually. I just knew I was spoken.

But, you know, I spent days with the guy who ran tarp. I have tarp connection you wouldn't believe. This is ridiculous, actually. I used to trade emails late at night, you know, when your brain is gone and you just swap an email with this obscure Harvard professor named Elizabeth Warren. We did this. This went on for a number of years, actually. And then she got assigned tarp oversight. And I sent her an email said, you just threw the shortest straw in the ever known, right?

This is going to be tough. And she said, yeah, it's already getting ugly, actually. And I said, well, if you have, if you need a friend, I happen to know the guy who's former CEO of Morgan Stanley Bank, the banking subsidiary. And he might be a good guy. He's right now he's hanging out to New York Fed. She sort of thanks me. And about a month later, she says, could you give me that name of the guy? He was up to New York Fed.

And so he had a three-way round robin going. And I'm going, how the fuck that happened? So I reached out to Andy Hughes-R at one point who bought all the 700 billion bonds. So I'm sure Andy knows Elizabeth. I'm sure they know each other well. And somehow we linked up. I got them hooked in to do a gig at a finance meeting in Vegas. And we went to Cirque to Saleh together and shit like that.

Then he did a monk debate on the merits of Q. and he invited me to come to New York. So I went to New York and I stayed in his apartment. It's in Harlem. Now, when I was in New York City as a grad student, you didn't go to Harlem. I'm sitting in a in a in a Dunkin' Donut in Harlem. And I tweeted in the 1970s, my life expectancy would be 20 seconds. And here I am. I stayed in this multi-million dollar condo in Harlem. it had changed so much. But in any event, he now, he now sells women's clothing. He's totally off radar.

He and his wife have a woman's clothing line or something. I don't know the details. Everyone's watching him and he'll say hi, Andy. How you doing? He's still selling women's clothing. But he did a monk debate against who's the MIT economist? I can never remember his name. I said something, the MIT economist.

Who isn't this fuck to me? He says, oh, you're that chemist from Cornell. How about? I'm sorry. I go down memory lane occasionally. It's a bad habit, actually. Well, it's interesting to listen to you, kind of ramble, kind of dance through different... Free association, yeah.

Little rabbit holes are pulling on different strings. And to realize, you know, when you sit across me, you're like, you're tied into a lot of different circles and is is that because you're so willing to just talk about different things you know when I go back to the first time we talked you mentioned you know like I'm a tender professor you know I'm this and this and this is why they can't you know I can't really mess me and on and on and on when I sit and listen to you and the names you rattle off and the in the groups you're in I'm like so so is it because you've been speaking on things and you just aren't worried about your your job position and that's why you've slowly got

into these different circles where you get to talk to different people or is it your willingness to talk about any subject right like i literally could throw out anything and like you said i can't remember if it was on air or off air but basically there's only been a couple times where you're like i actually don't know anything about that and you've been willing to talk about just about anything um how is it that you're you're sucked into all these different things is um i don't know that it's really a big jigsaw puzzle so if you're looking something like Whitney webb she does the same thing she puts puzzle pieces together and the pieces tell her where to go and so in that sense it's it's trying to understand the world that's a fairly tall task and it it kind of started with me when i was

18 so i i did nothing but chemistry i mean nothing but chemistry well not totally true actually i did taekwondo i did gymnastics too i was a gymnastine i was a gymnastown i did gymnastics so i was 29 And then I did taekwondo for another eight years after that. And I coached two collegiate sports. How's that? How many people have coached two collegiate sports? That's ridiculous. I, when I was 18, I went to a seminar,

dragged to a seminar by a friend by a guy named Mark Lane. I had no idea where we're going. And it didn't turn me into a rabbit hole at all. But it was a stunter. Mark Lane was one of these big swinging dick lawyers, you know, Johnny Cochran type, Flee Bailey type. And he was Lee Harvey Oswald's lawyer for apparently two days.

The thing, I don't remember much about his presentation. What I do remember is he said that he was hired by the Kennedys to defend Oswald. And that stuck with me. Then nothing, Nothing, nothing. I remember when Aldamoro got shot when I was in grad school and an Italian kid, an Italian American kid, was shocked I didn't know about it. I said, I'm doing chemistry, dude. You can worry about the Italians of the world. I'm doing chemistry. Someone sent me a former Louis Bacon protege who's a famous Asian-centered hedge fund manager, I think, retired at, you know, 35 or something. I really would have made a fuck ton of money.

He sent me the Building 7 collapsing video. I'd already figured out the banks were fucked up and stuff like that, but it didn't seem like a big conspiracy to me. He sent me Building 7 collapsing. And I don't know. I'm trying to remember the sequence of events. I remember being appalled by Bush Jr. But are you saying that over the course of your life,

you started pulling on different strings and it opened up different doors that you didn't know were there you got introduced to all these different people and that has put you in talks with all these different folk from across the board and it's just taking time and your network has grown as you've been willing to search out different everything yes there's a couple things so this guy this guy this hedge fund guy um i don't want to name names he might want to stay private. He said, you can get to people I can't get to. And I asked him why.

And he said, being a professor. And I actually realized that as much as I view professors as nitwits on a good day sometimes, and they're academically smart and sometimes completely lacking in common sense. But I realize that every single person on the planet at one point in. their career when they were in the formative years of really developing their adult world view, their role models, their their authority figures were professors. So when I used to do Taekwendo and I'd referee tournaments and stuff, the Korean masters treated me like king because I was a professor. Apparently in Korea, professors are top of the food chain. The other thing I figured out is

early in the social media world, I figured out that You can reach out to people and they'd answer me. So I got to know Grant Williams when I just sent him something. I just sent an email to him and he, and then we spent a lot of time together and various things. I once drove to New York, spent the afternoon with him, and he and Simon McKalevick, we just chatted. Then I drove home.

And I realized that the world was this phenomenal interconnected world. And it never stopped me from, and so I said, okay, that, So I, there was another guy, this crazy guy, I don't want to name names because he's got an unstable personality. But he, he was sending out emails to, he was scouring the internet for well-known people. And he'd send out these bulk emails. And he wasn't blind copy people. And then one day he went into his Jewish bankers, rule the world, round. And this email list had all the Jewish bankers.

I mean, it was just ridiculous email. And I had told them many times, and so what happened is this elite list of characters, people started openly denouncing them because they wanted to publicly say, get me off your list. And it was like this phenomenal Rolodex. And I happened to have been, the guy had pestered me. So I kind of knew who he was. of these guys who'd announce like um pran westbury was on the list and i i i individually

reached out and said he's an unstable personality just just ignore him don't don't and and larry summers and various people and so that i think i did get more conscious of the now you know my first twitter follower ever was jim jim records and and i had reached out to jim after to read something, say, Jim, I thought that was really interesting the article. You might take a peek at this. And he'd say, thanks. And then, you know, Byron King, there's these guys I've known for years who just, who just, you know, and we'd exchange ideas and stuff.

So I recognized the miracles of the social media and the internet connectivity early. And then you become Paris Hilton, famous for being famous. right so podcasters see me and they go i haven't had them on you know who is this guy right the guy's a clown right um and the lack of filter helps right certainly certainly having a title helps but i i find your um i was saying this after the first probably second time i interviewed you is you have this uh wonderful personality where you you can just throw it whatever the heck you want and you'll you'll dance with it it's really interesting i find it that's that the first time i listened to you and and john cullen i was like this is really really interesting because

you have a way about you that is even if you're saying something offensive doesn't come off offensive and then i listen to you oh i i can't i'm sure you can't but then i but then i listen to you talk about how you've approached the internet in general like ah you've you've connected people with other You've given them information you thought would help. And that in turn builds goodwill between people that normally wouldn't, you know, and you normally wouldn't see anything there, right? Instead of just say, hey, can you- Well, so I think I intuited this, but that, but one time Charlie Munger was, Charlie Munger

was asked something, some question he talked about the book, Influence. I love neuropsych books. So I immediately jumped on the book. I've read so many books on neuropsychology. And in it, one of the things, and I don't know if I got to this or I just have, I don't know if I actually intuited this or if I, if, if I just stumbled upon it or put down deep, I was using influence that I did. I hadn't sort of codified in some way. But in the book, they mentioned that people hate unpaid debt. And so, like, for example, my wife gives Christmas presents to everyone under the sun.

And I try to talk, I said, you know, people are uneasy when you give them a present and they, you didn't tell them it was coming and they didn't get you anything. And the, in the tribalism of dominance, that leaves them feeling deeply indebted. They want to, they want to pay off that debt. So the funny thing about that is, is that if you do a person of favor for no fire, fucking reason whatsoever. You actually now... They're indebted to you. Even if it isn't, it's unspoken.

Even if it's unspoken, even if it's not your intention. Yeah. And I realized, did I know that? Did I intuit that? Because I know I didn't read the book and say, oh, I have to start manipulating people. Because I don't think I worked that way. But I always try to...

I don't want to be that guy, if you know what I mean? I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be like when I call, help lines. I don't want to be the douchebag. When I call a help line, I usually at the end of the conversation, ask a couple of questions like how many people who call you are mad. How many, you know, I once did a survey for someone. I said, how many people actually do the survey? And he said, you're the 149th call. You're the first person to do the survey. You know, that sort of thing. So I'd like to ask sort of what's your life like questions. And, and what's your life?

What's the worst part of your job? Ask a taxi driver that. Common answer is the guy in the backseat, jonesing and he's taking a cab to go get his drugs. He's jonesing in the back seat. Stuff like that. I want to know stuff like that. That's why I love Twitter polls. I don't know if you've seen that, but I do Twitter polls. And to find out what people are actually thinking like, how many times do you wash blue jeans? I go every day. every three to five days, every two weeks. Final answer was people wash blue jeans, question mark, things like that. Sometimes I like to use Twitter polls to make a statement without me having to make it.

So if I see something that's gnarly, you know, great one was no offense or but should dudes be able to compete in women's sports. I knew the answer. I got 5,000 clicks, 98.7% said no. So society has already decided this transgender and sports shit is total crap. What society hasn't figured out yet is how to stop it. Because it's just like any other thing where you get accused of being a bad person for opposing it. Well, I oppose it.

And I say, there's times I say shit that might even be illegal. Like for example, if I have a daughter, I don't, so it's hypothetical. If I have a daughter, she comes home and some doctors locked her tits off without me knowing it. That doctor might die. As a father, I owe it to society. I, in the very least, would take a rusty butter knife and do a sex change on that guy. Or that woman, whoever it is, right? I am going to get even.

I don't understand why more people don't think this way. I don't think I'm nuts. That's the same thing. Daniel Penny, a guy walks on the subway, says I'm going to kill people. Daniel Penny chokes him There's no evidence he tried to kill him But the guy dies He's a hero

If the guy walked in the subway And said I'm going to kill people And Daniel Penny blew his head off With a Glock He's a hero Yeah but don't you see that play out With crooks People trying

Oh he's a troubled kid And all these different things It's like he took a shot At somebody And he got killed Like he died Let's move on Right

Well except Right Right. So we try to forgive cooks. We forgive illegal immigrants doing things, you know, stuff like that. And so I think we're going to maybe the civil war you talked about, I don't quite know how it plays out because there's no Mason-Dixon line on this one. It could be a cultural war in Europe. It could really be Christianity versus Islam. I don't know. In the United States, I don't know how it plays out because what are you fighting for? Now, one of the risks, one of the books I read said, you know, problem with religious war. wars is the only way to win is to vanquish your opponent. There's no, there's no resource.

You're not trying to get resources. You're not trying to take territory. You're not trying to, right? You're not trying to protect your castle. You're fighting an idea, which means you have to kill all the people with the idea. Now, Victor Davis Hanson's book on collapsing empires. He talks about four empires. This is scary, actually.

It talks about four empires. Thebes, Carthage. I can't say the word the Aztec Empire. and one other, which I'm drawn a blank on. Unbelievably quickly, how fast these empires that thought they were absolutely unbeatable, collapsed. Some of them like a day. But here's the disturbing part.

The disturbing part is that during the attack, the attacker thinks they have to win, but then they realize that they're not going to be safe. unless they exterminate them. Because they're just going to come back, they're going to regroup and come back. I mean, that's what World War I was about, right? Germany wanted to fight a war while they could win.

So the Archduke gets shot. The Austrians couldn't give a shit. The Archduke was a douchebag. The Austrians couldn't care, so Germany had to badger the shit out of them to go do something. Once they went and did something after like two months, Then Jeremy said, ah, war's on. We got it.

Right. I got into the weird shit when when O'Neill came out of the Bush White House, secretary of the treasury, Paul O'Neill, who I thought was a decent person. He ran Alco. He's the CEO of Alcoe before that, which maybe makes him not a decent person. I don't know. I wanted to know what's going on in the White House. So the book came out.

I read it. And he said the first cabinet meeting, the first 2000, they were talking about attacking Iraq. He said, I have no idea why they were talking about attacking Iraq. He could not figure it out. The enemy within, what's the name of that guy? The enemy within, the enemy within. Another cabinet level person on the Bush White House. And he gets to the very end.

The idea is the enemy is us. What's the name of that book? Search on Amazon. You're probably quicker than me. So I started reading books by guys who I thought could tell me about what's really going on versus what we're told us going on. I'm totally convinced at this point that

Michael Savage. No. Actually, I read Michael Rupert's book years ago. David Horowitz? No, but I think I read when I his books too. It doesn't matter. But it was a cabinet sort of high-level person,

head of something. And he wrote this book. And you got this feeling when he got to the end. He didn't want to actually conclude it. Reminds me of Molly Hemingway's book called Rigged about the 2020 election. She showed all the reasons why it was perfectly set up to be rigged, but seems to stop short of saying it that definitely was written.

while making a perfect case that it was rigged. I'm missing the title. It's another title with something like that. I think it's an interesting. When you talk about books to read, I think you make a good point on like, well, what books should you be reading, right?

There's people within the know, or certainly that have been staring at a problem for a very long time that write a book, there's a lot to be said about picking up that and seeing what they're talking about. I just, you know, you start a COVID, maybe just before COVID, our book club read 1984. And, you know, like, I'm sure people had read that book 20 years before and 40 years before and on and on and on. It was too fictional then.

Right. But, but, but yet, he had the ability to write a story about what he was seeing in a way that people could read it. that it wasn't actually real life. And then by the time it gets to us, I'm like, holy crap, I need to go watch family guy or something that's going to make me laugh because this is about as ugly as it gets.

Well, what made it real was the tech. When the tech showed up to do what was very fictional when Orwell wrote his book. Sure. But when the tech showed up, also it's like, holy shit. Now, there's, you know,

former Stasi guy saying, look, if you think the government's going to have information on you and not use it against you, you're dreaming. Period. So the battle for the Internet is an epic battle. And for years I've been saying it's democracy's greatest hope and worst enemy. And I, unfortunately, I actually, that's where your civil war is going to take place. It's going to be on the Internet.

Well, it's already on the Internet. Right. So on the one hand, you and I are talking. On the other hand, they're hammering free speech as hard as they can. The rules change when it became this. People say the Internet's like the Gutenberg Press. I thought they were dreaming. I thought, no, no.

But it really is like the Gutenberg Press. When the Goodberg Press allowed ideas to spread in a way that were just not spreadable. Now, I heard a funny story about Gutenberg Press. Cootenberg, I was told by a book dealer, thought he was a grifter. He was putting out cheap knockoff of the Bible. Is that, Craig? Cheap knockoff. It's like the postman.

You ever see the movie The Postman with Kevin Costner? Yeah, absolutely. And he puts out in the Postman's uniform. And then he pretends that civilization's coming back and he's the postman. You know, it's. Same idea, right? This inconsequential moment that changed the way the world was. The Postman's a good movie if you haven't watched it,

anyone listening to this video. Yeah. So everyone should be a sort of a citizen journalist. I urge young guys not to do it in some sense. Usually the battles are fought by young, but you got to raise a family. you got to you got to raise your kids you got to learn to build robots hopefully not for Boston Dynamics well the best way the best way to keep the doctor away from lob

and any of your kids appendages off is to be there right is to be a part of your kid's life that's right be a parent but then there's these stories like like for example some couple you know their kid had all sorts of autoimmune issues and so I said they're not going to vaccinate And then the school stuck a vaccination into the kid and really hurt the kid badly. And I'm back to the, how do I resist not going? And at the very least, beating the piss out of that person, just beating the piss out of them. That would be so fair to me. You know why that's important?

So, for example, the Olympic boxing, right? I think the chicks went into the boxing matches knowing they couldn't stay in there. They went in intentionally taking it up punches so they could say, I tried. And also, if they just bowed out, it wouldn't be a new story. Right. So I think they took one for the team. There's a story out there about a volleyball player who's brain damaged because some transgender smacked the ball into her face. And then she went down.

The problem with that story is that guys playing volleyball, presumably are at the same risk, playing against each other. And so in some sense, that's not a great Supreme Court sort of level case. When the Supreme Court takes on a case, they wait for the perfect case. The perfect case would be in this Olympics. And this will sound awful, but you'll understand it, I think, is if one of those girls had really been hurt. Because then we'd finally say, stop this fucking bullshit. I think we may have already.

I think this might be the apex where it's over. Now you got Riley Gaines out there saying shit. You got, you know, J.K. Rowling out there saying shit. You got me out there saying shit. I was going to write about it last year. I wish I had because now it's going to be a me too sort of thing. But I think people now realize that this is insane. And I think the Olympics might have put the exclamation.

mark on it. And, and you know, these idiots who don't only, don't, not only lack a genetics major, which I have, it's old, but they lack any knowledge of anything and said, well, these two boxers, they were born women. No, they weren't. They were born men with undescended testicles. They are X, Y, chromosomes. So I just passed that I said, let's have a division for just X, Y. Right? Oh, we'll call that the men's division. No, this is insane. This is totally insane. And I don't know why, I can't, I understand why there are people who are conflicted. So I got vaccinated. I wouldn't have, but I didn't want to give up my job.

So I'm guilty of not taking one for the team. I'm absolutely guilty of that. But I, if I did the risk reward, I said, look, if four years, years from now, my wife wants to do something. I say, well, we don't have the bucks to do it. And she'll say, well, that's because you fucking quit your job, you moron. And this vaccine saved everyone's life, but you don't have a job now, right? I did the math on that, and I just get it, right?

Where are, therefore I understand why coaches won't speak up because they don't want to give up their coaching job, and they will. But I could, I don't quite understand why there aren't more high school athletes finding a way to do it because there are high school athletes who are of course you're asking a kid to take one for the team but but some athlete at the end of her career she's in college she's playing women's sports and she's just going to go off and be an engineer or something of course maybe she won't get a job if she does this so there's there's a price to pay but where are the ex-athletes where where's the woman who owns her own business who played college sports where i once asked

a three-time Olympian female rower about this. And I watched her tighten up. And I realized sort of immediately, maybe it wasn't fair to put her on that spot. Because I'm just a guy. So there's no risk and talking to me. Well, do the risk reward. You talk to me. If somehow it gets out, she's off the team. She's gone. Her rowing career just ended because I asked her a question. And so, but there, there's got to be a lot that if you're an ex-female athlete, you're, you could speak up and you haven't. You're a coward. We've talked about this. We've talked about this lots, but, you know, when Dylan Mulvaney was on the, the Bud Light Camp, right? We can sit here and we, you know, we poke fun at it and go, that was a terrible marketing ploy.

Just look at your audience on and on and on. I was sitting on stage with three different guys from NHL okay i got i got asked to come moderate a little bit of a roundtable and in a small alberta community and you know i got up there and i've been getting teased all day um Saskatchewan the the big iconic beer is it's this shocking beer it's called pilsner and you probably find that hilarious but it's iconic green can right and alberta makes fun of it because it's this cheap beer and and so i'm in this alberta community and all day long i'm having a beer playing golf sucking and i'm having a pilsner and all these alberton's are teasing me dave about drinking and i'm kind of taking on the cheek and whatever not a big deal and all fun so i get on stage

that night and i make a joke about being teased by this you know pilsner but everywhere i had to go to the small alberta community to find somebody finally drinking bud light right and then back then that was like you know everybody was talking about it but not talking about it and you know the entire crowd erupts. Everybody's laughing because it's funny. I mean, it's, I mean, geez, they put a transgender female on a bud light can. I mean, come on. That's hilarious.

And just look at the stock price. Look at everything that happened to the company. Anyways, these three grown men, nobody laughed. I was shocked. And they acted like they didn't know what I was talking about. And it took a while. I was talking to one of my brothers after. And he goes, well, for one, for one,

you're an unknown man, meaning you can say whatever the heck you want. You're your own boss and nobody can shut you down. These three guys, Bud Light, Budweiser, is a huge deal with the NHL. And if they get caught laughing, smirking, anything to do with that, they may never coach again. They may never, they never commentate again. They may never scout again. They may never on and on and on and goes. And I'm like, well, when you take the mentality of,

I cannot do anything otherwise all future endeavors I have could be down this road and I'll never get back well then that's how we get to where we're at like I mean that's how we have men boxing in the Olympics

is because people are like well if I speak out do you remember the first shocking commercial the first commercial it was a royal fuckup that preceded Dylan Mulvaney fuckups it was a Gillette Yes. Yes. And they showed they basically criticized men for for not raising their little kids as

pussies. And and and it it went so viral on YouTube. There was something like 500,000 comments. Now if you're the 500 commenter on a YouTube, there is no chance at serving any purpose, but you just blowing it out your ass as hard as you can. And the like, dislike of this hammer job was so lopsided. And then all of a sudden, tens of thousands of supporters of the ads started showing up. And you know, some, some, you know, Wolfman, you know, cleanup squad showed up, is it, okay, we got to get the likes back up. This is great.

So that was a cleanup problem. But in all of these fuck-ups, including Disney movies and stuff, right, there have got to be people sitting in that room going, oh, this is a bad idea who are not speaking out because they can't, right? Now, that reminds me of that famous psych experiment. Harvard was, Harvard Psych Department was owned by the CIA, basically. may still be. And they have all these guys who are part of the experiment, and then the one guy who doesn't know that he's the mark in the experiment. So they show a slide and it shows four arrows.

And they say which one is the longest arrow. And there's clearly one that's the longest arrow. And the other six guys name a different arrow. They get C is the longest arrow. And it's clearly not. And so like 75% of the time, by the time you get to the mark, the guy who's actually the psych experiment, he'll say the wrong answer because everyone else said the wrong answer. Now, I am 100% confident that I'm the guy who would be sitting going, you're out of your

fucking minds. You know that, right? Because I've done that so many times in my life and faculty meetings or something where I go, what are you guys talking about? I think I thrive in being an outlier. I think there's something, some twisted sort of thinking I had that I like being an outlier. I like going against the grain. And I think that's why I vaccinated because I said, look, you fight everything, Dave. Maybe this is the time you should just take them for the team and do it for the, do it for the good of society. Stop fighting. That was sort of part of my reasoning. And it's interesting. My doc Zimwick was appalled. We've had this discussion lots.

Got a book club, five guys, right? Nothing, you know, the podcast wasn't even a thing back when we started it. And we look at some of the men we've read books on, follow, etc. Dr. Jordan Peterson,

Elon Musk, Nassim Taleb, all vaccinated. I got a two-hour tutorial from Nassim on the Middle East right over the top of my head. I realize nobody understands the Middle East. But he,

all these, guys all vaccinated. They didn't see it for what it was, which is, which is kind of wild. Well, see, I, I had drawn the conclusion that it, I didn't know how bad it was, but I'd drawn the conclusion that the odds were sufficiently good that, that I wasn't going to get hurt by it. At the time, what I didn't know is that they had really successfully hid a lot of damage. And, and the problem I faced is, so I had vaccinated twice, By the time I realized that was true, I had successfully vaccinated twice with no effect whatsoever. And I'm in the Dr. Zoom group.

I said, look, I'm going to have to get boosted. And they're so appalled. I said, here's the problem. I'm now already potentially damaged. But there was no effect. I didn't get sick. I didn't feel bad. It didn't do anything to me.

And now you're saying, now I should quit my job to avoid getting one more of those. I said, it doesn't make sense now. That ship sailed when I got the first two of my opinion. Now, it turns out it's very nonlinear. So the boosters is where the damage gets done. Now, in one of these doc Zoom group meetings, I was talking after it was over, we had this long chat, like three of us, Ryan, Cole, and a couple others maybe. And Ryan's a very scholarly anti-vaccin. And vaccine injured, by the way.

He has bad days. He said something that is a chemist that clicked like crazy. As soon as he said, I go, my God, you're right. And that is he said, you've got this emulsion of basically oil and water, right? It's the nanoparticle and saline solution with the M RNA in it, which, by the way, it's just a sea of glob. The integrity of that shit is so bad. But he said, it depends on where it. in that batch you got your dose. And I'll say, oh, my God, yes. So let's say some, so RNA DNA

is very fragile molecules called mechanochemistry. So if I take a pencil, do I have a pencil here? Here's a pencil. Where is it? I just broke it. I just broke a fuck ton of chemical bonds. That's mechanochemistry. Now, normally chemistry is not done at the macro level like this. But when you break something, that's mechanical chemistry. It's a hot topic. What's not a hot topic is the fundamental principles. Guys are trying to do cute stuff like self-healing plastics and things like that. But I think someone ought to just study how the hell mechanochemistry just works. So I would like to do that experiment with homogeneous materials, do it in some chamber and that captures the reactive species at the end where the break is.

is and figures out what, figure out what chemistry was done to break the pencil. Because gazillions of bonds got broken to break that pencil. Now, you, RNA and DNA are very fragile. When you pipette it, again, I said, Chedachydra did this too many times. When you pipette it, you have to be gentle or you'll break it. Because it's this molecule, it's one bond, one contiguous string of bonds that's a mile long. us this gigantic piece of spaghetti. And so you if you want to break up DNA and put it into blender, boom, you just broke it all up, you shredded it. And then then the realization is if

you're going to make a billion vaccines, you got to make these big huge vats. Basically it was oil and water salad dressing, but you can't stir it. You can't agitate it. You'll break the bonds or if you do agitate it you don't have the MRI anymore you just you shredded it and i realized that if if you get the oily part at the top you're going to get the cytotoxic crap you get the saline at the bottom you're going to get just saline so that's why there's a huge batch dependence my group went and got vaccinated all together all in the same day at the same place they all got sicker than crap bedridden sick One had rash all over her body.

Are these students of mine, a dozen or so? Are they going to die young? We don't know what's going to happen to them. Are the women sterile? The Japanese very quickly ascertain that the vaccine was going straight to the ovaries. Straight to the ovaries. 20 minutes. Boom.

Point of collection. Also, breaking through the blood-brain barrier. Very hard to get something to go through the blood-brain barrier. was going through the blood brain barrier. Brain tumors. We don't know yet if we're going to have a rash of sterility. I watched an interview of a woman who's not an anti-vax or a medication. She's just an OBGYN person.

And she said the number of miscarriages, the number of fertility problems soared. This was not a person out there trying to become famous. not one of the, you know, there's about 20 talking heads we saw over and over and over and over and over. That always troubles me. That's too narrow a source. There's a lot of backroom chatter, but the visible people were the, were the McCullas and the Malones and the, right? And these were and Ionidis and Batacharias, but it was a very small number of people and you should be troubled when it's that way, but that's how successfully they shut it down. Now, I think they fucked up. I think they overplayed their hand.

Now we don't trust them, period. If you trust the medical community after COVID, you're stupid. You're beyond stupid. They lied to you so badly. And you could tell. What were the hints? As soon as they released the vaccine, they said, pregnant women should get vaccinated.

You never give experimental drugs to pregnant women. Turns out in Pfizer's clinical trials, 33 women got pregnant, 28 miscarried. I mean, that's a bad number. The military follows their pilots very carefully because they're expensive. They cost like $5 million a piece to train. So they keep track of the pilots. 973% increase in heart problems. The World Soccer League, whatever it's called.

They have a heart attack problem. Why? Because you run nonstop, start, stop all day long. If you've got something lurking in your heart that you don't know what, you're going to find it. You are going to, there are going to be, you know, Pistow Pete Meravich moments where you're going to find out that you had a heart problem that went undetected. So that there are stats on heart attacks in the World Cup soccer, five-fold increase.

after the vaccine. So these are hard to, you know, Eddie Dow, for example, wrote the definitive books. You know, I've known Eddie for 15 years probably. Eddie and I used to talk in the phone about all sorts of weird shit before I became famous for the anti-vac shit. And his books filled with these kind of stats. And the United States took possession of the response. Fauci, hang him from the neck until dead, put his head on a pike outside. the castle gates show the people don't do that again. Fauci has been a psychopath for his entire adult life. He's been doing things. You know how psychopath does. A psychopath oversees clinical trials that uses a sum

total of 13,000 inner city foster kids as your guinea pigs. Inner city foster kids. Who is less protected than an inner city foster kid? and the shit they did do them. It's all there. A ZT, completely rigged the AZT trials, completely and utterly rigged the AZT trials. He wanted the wind so badly. They were doing blood transfusions on guys receiving the AZT. They were switching control group and ACT treatment groups.

They rigged them completely. Fauci should be tried at the Hague and have found guilty hung from the neck until dead. and I'm not being hyperbolic, I'm not being metaphorical. He's a mass murder. He's Dr. Mengelang. He's been running a bio-weapons program for his entire life. So. You mentioned something that I, you being the chemistry, man, you know, you said it's hard to get something to go through the blood, brain barrier.

Why is that? Well, it's designed to keep shit out, for starters. So it really is designed to be hermetically sealed. What it is is you can only get really small molecules through in general. So big molecules tend to not go through. And so somehow the lipid nanoparticles being greasy got through the barrier. And I don't know much more than that. That pretty much exhausts my knowledge.

But generally, blood-brain barrier is, that's why it's called the blood-brain barrier. It's chemically hard to get through. Now, the other thing is when I was talking to Ryan, this is pretty early, Ryan Cole, this is probably in 2021. I said to him, I said, what are the odds that the vaccine has gotten into our DNA? And he said, and I've been hearing about this. And he said, 100%. And I said to him in my usual wife's ass way, I said, is there an error bar in that number? And he said, no.

No, it's getting into our DNA. What's that mean? That means that if I got vaccinated and I got the good stuff, good stuff being the bad stuff, ironically. I am a spike protein factory. Now, every last one of these docs who went through the Zoom group started out life as a dock and is now a full-blown anti-new world order persona. Their view of the world has just been so shattered by this experience. And, you know, like Aaron Carriotti, who is not in the group that I know of, he might have been there before I got there.

He wrote a book. He ran, I think it was UC Irvine's vaccine program. He was in charge of making sure I got vaccinated. And then he started a piece of together saying, holy shit, there's something wrong here. He wrote the book, but it was a book who was like one written by me. It went down every goddamn rabbit hole. I mean, it was really great sort of darkness. So I said, Aaron, I said, were you prone to go down rabbit holes or was this COVID?

And he said, well, I knew the world had problems, but this hit me like a truck. You watched Bottachari's tweets. Bada Chari's most rational guy. And his tweets, Dr. Drew Pinsky, you know, Dr. Drew, his tweets, these guys have gone dark. These guys are Alex Jones now. So, so I think what's happened in pharma, so I can, to confess and to backstop, I consulted for Pfizer for 20 years. I was on Merck's long range steering committee at one point. That's where they show us everything. And so what do you think? Everything in a big room, CEO, head of research. Everyone's in the room. All sorts of collaborations with

the largest pharmaceutical companies. I never saw this darkness. Look legit to me. I used to defend him and stuff like that. The darkness, I think, is at the level of the clinical trial, which is something I wouldn't have seen. And I don't even think the chemist advisor know this part. I, by the way, talk to my former students for inside Big Cap Pharma.

They don't talk about this stuff at work at all. They're not communicating with each other. They're not, they're not, I asked a nurse practitioner one day a question about, do you see evidence to the vaccine causing trouble? And I saw her kind of pause and she sort of looked at me and then she decided to let a rip and she said, yeah, we're seeing way more in-office diagnoses of cancer, the old big thing hanging off your neck, you know, sort of thing, more heart problems and a lot of shingles. And I said, do others in the office see it? She says, I don't know. No one talks about anything like this. So there was a sink.

There's a book called Live Not by Lives. It's about the Soviet Union keeping Christianity alive. You reached a point where you didn't even tell your kids the truth for fear that they would blurt it out and you'd end up in a gulag. That's why if you want to understand the world, you can't read about Trump. You can't read about this. You got to read about authoritarianism. There's a gazillion books on authoritarianism. The psychology of it, brainwashing, things like that. Propaganda, Edward Bernay's book on Propaganda, in Propaganda, 1928, I think it is. Eric Hoffer's the true believer, Matthias Desmitt's psychology of totalitarianism. There's another book. I can't remember the author about

brainwashing. It was written in 1960, I think. If you can brainwash a Marine, you can brainwish. anybody. And if you read these books on totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and brainwashing and propaganda, Mark Crispin Miller at NYU used to teach a course on propaganda, I would have been a wonderful course to take. He would take contemporary issues and then he'd pull it apart and say, where's the propaganda here? And he'd say, oh, right there. See how they did that to you. You want to sell a horror story. Teenage girls were the best to do it. Remember the incubator, babies and incubators getting stabbed by the Iraqis in Kuwait? There was this girl who testified to the United Nations or something or Congress or some big

body of people saying they're stabbing babies and incubators in Kuwait. It was a young girl. She turns out to not only have not been near Kuwait any time that that could have been seen, by her. But she also was the daughter of some ambassador of Kuwait. She was a plan. She just made it up. Teenage girls. Who runs the climate change story?

Greta Thunberg. Yeah. Right? Young girls. Young girls are the ones who talk to parents into believing shit. Now, what does this sound like? The scariest analogy in history to me is the cultural revolution in China. That's where the kids turned on their parents.

Yeah, that's what. I got James coming on next week. James Lindsay? You've got to say James. I say hi. I occasionally, we swap emails occasionally, but I, James is the most scholarly person to describe this neo-Marxism. Now, the challenge James faces is he's gotten so scholarly that his writing now reads like an academic scholarly paper. And so a guy who might be more digestible to the common man, which is me, is Mark Rufo.

His book, I found it to be more readable. Now, I'll read anything James writes. I'll watch his videos. I think James. And he's also funnier than shit. He's got that very dry sense of humor. I said something. His two-word email response is, fuck him.

So I occasionally send James shit. Once a while, I'll see a kindred son. spirit and I'll send them. I say, oh, if you don't know this person, you should reach out to them. And then he'll say, I know them. You know, he's, he's networked. He gives talks to international meetings and stuff on rising. Marxism. And if you watch one of them, what you discover is what you're seeing, this woke shit. It is absolutely by the playbook, you know, play by play by play, Marxism propaganda.

It is exactly what has been done in the past and they're just doing it again. They reinvent words. They you know, you can no longer use a word because it's been

commandeered by the neo-Marxists. The other thing is I got canceled in 2020. We must have talked about that at some point. So in 2020, around 2006, I fought a labor union movement. I was asked by the dean of faculty to organize the counterattack. We won handling.

The union was not happy. They called me the guy who thinks he's a game, a talk show host. That's what they called me. And around 2000, shit, 15, 16, somewhere in there. The American Federation of Teachers, super asshole Randy Weingarten, former Cornell graduate of the Industrial Labor Relations School, which is basically a union stronghold. The American Federation of Teachers showed up.

And the entire Industrial Labor Relations School is like a standing arm to organize a union to unionize the grad students. So I get a call one night from the provost saying, would you the provost now moving up the ranks who's now president I need you to organize a counter attack no emails we had no emails we learned early what Hillary didn't know and so I organized a counterattack and it was not working because the union refused to engage with me the union refused to engage with counter you I set up a team I set up up the union would not debate them They said, they would say things like, well, just tell us what you want us to tell people.

We'll tell them. It's like, oh, yeah, that'll work well. I picked a, I sent an email around to about 350. I got an email list from the university. I was on speed die with Cornell legal. I mean, I had the full support of the university behind me. The union didn't know this. They thought I was just a rogue.

I was a designated fighter, right, in hockey. And I sent. an email around got no to 350 prominent people saying you got to get the vote on you this is a serious problem and and i got nothing nothing back nobody answered no one said i agree nothing one one one reached out and you could tell she didn't want to commit to not liking the idea of a union one woman and um and i sat around one last desperate attempt and some moron in the union act union group posted it on social media and criticized me and then the fight was on and then the daily son Cornell Daily son want to interview me they said we're writing an article about you tomorrow we need

to talk now I don't normally do interviews like this because if we do the whole podcast everything's in context but if you do an interview they parse out and I'm spontaneous and so I'm likely to say they should hang that fucker by the neck and that that's That's what will show up in the article, right? So I had a call in Audible and I said, okay, I'll do the interview. At the very end of the interview, it was clear they're going to do a hit piece on me. I said, I'm not done. And she says, what else would you like to say?

And I said, no, no, that's a quotable quote. I'm not done. And she took the bait and finished. Boom, Cobb says, I'm not done, right? I'm going, you moron, I can't believe you took the bait. Cornell Review, which is a right-wing newspaper, it gets about 50 clicks per issue. We did a good interview, email, really laid out the case against the union, 2,000 clicks later. And then we have the vote.

And out of 2,000 grad students voting, we won by 60 votes. And they hated me. So I did some smear pieces after that. Cornell Daily, son did a couple, but it didn't. They felt bad, but they didn't hurt. Then one day, a couple of years later, remember the guy I got knocked over and bossed and bumped his head? Yeah, I do.

He was a total grifter. He faked it. Totally fake. I've got videotapes of him talking about how he's going to go pick a fight. He was using a scammer to scan the guy's belts. His social media was filled with fuck the police. I mean, everything was wrong. CNN couldn't find the guy in the hospital, but he was supposedly recovering.

But I tweeted, so Chris Irons of QTR fame posted the video. So, this is just really terrible. And I watched a video a couple of times. I said, well, Chris, you know, we can talk about on Saturday. We were going to do a podcast. I said, we can talk about it on Saturday. But I don't know why the guy was there. This is on Twitter.

I said, I don't know why it was there. This is a war zone. I said he's poking riot police. It looks self-inflicted. which at no point did I say he deserved it. It's self-inflicted. If you poke a ride, please, you get knocked on your ass. It's self-inflicted, right?

All hell breaks loose. It turns I came from a Hollywood guy with 2 million followers who tagged my tweet. Then 20 minutes later deleted it, but the storm had started. The whole thing was these are not grassroots movements. This is Astra Turf. culture was not just, not just a bunch of young punks misbehaving. It was, it was a propaganda campaign. It came on so quickly that within a half an hour of my Twitter feed going to shit, I get an email from one of my colleagues is my email box is filling up with complaints. Every email box on campus

by the time the night was over. And, and I get followed by one of the guys from the West wing the show. You know, why the fuck is that guy following me? And at this point, I'm blocking new followers because I don't need them. And, uh, and there's this guy. He's a famous guy in the West Wing. What's his name? I'm going to fucking call that bastard out that pig fucker. West Wing. It's some, I was so intrigued by that. So I went and said, is this James Woods type guy? Or is this? Um, Oh, or is this, is this some lefty? Joshua Molina. Joshua Molina, you'll recognize him.

He found me, 2 million followers, and I checked out of Twitter feed. He's a pink-o-commy dog piece of crap. So I blocked him too. But why? Why would a guy in the West Wing follow me? Why would he care? Right? So then that's, then I get an email from within a half an hour from fire.

which is a free speech organization that's nationwide. They said, we see you're having trouble if you need help, give us yell. I'd had little dealings with them before that. And I'm going, how did they know already? So I wake up in the morning and there's the news. Every network show and the guy from Buffalo getting knocked over. And it's just a shitstorm. Now, the good news is we're locked down.

We were on COVID lockdown. It was 2020, like March. But I slept with loaded shotguns. I put steak knives in every room. And I was ready to blow some bastard's head off. I mean, I was, again, the frontier justice gene runs deep in my family. Some guy comes through my door, Castle Doctrine. I might end up in prison, but that guy is going to the light before he gets to me.

And I didn't think it would happen. I got a lot of death threats, but, you know, they're just angry losers. Social justice douchebacks. But Antifa was. was active. I was a little more worried about that because those guys are basically George Soros plants too. And I didn't use to blame Soros for shit. I now blame Soros for shit. So in any event, what helped, it was a pain in the ass. I mean, it really was uncomfortable. Graffiti all over campus, the daily son ran daily, daily articles about why I'm a douchebag. They'd write

an article with the football table and say, oh, by the way, did we mention columns and asshole? Right. I mean, it was just nonstop. At one point I said to Cornell legal. I said, is there some way you could like make a phone call and say, look, just kind of want you to let up now? They said, no, we have no control over them. I said, okay, that's fine. I started calling it the daily column, double entendant. And I was posting them on Twitter. But it was not good. But I happened to know some trustees and they were backing me. They walked into the president's office and said, don't do anything stupid here. And so they didn't. They denounced me. Here's the irony. They denounced me. They said, Professor Com's views don't represent Cornell's values, which I have two factual problems with.

One, well, three. One is they didn't say what I said. It was signed by the president and the provost. Remember the one who called me and said, you got to beat the union? That one, who's also a friend of mine. I'm going, but they're just trying to stop a raging inferno, right? A couple other guys. Missing was my dean, who I had had conversations with about free speech.

He said, look, what good is tenure if you're not a free speech? I'm sure my dean would have been a signer. But he said, fuck that. I'm positive. I never got a chance to ask him, but I'm positive. And then it was signed by the chief of police. I'm going, I defended the fucking police, right? But I'm going, but then it kind of stopped.

And I go, okay, so it achieved its purpose. Right. Now, I was at a Zoom call with the chief of police one day, totally unrelated issue. And I just couldn't resist. I said, and as you know, personally, I support the police. So in any of it, when it's left me is Google toxic. So if you Google my name, you see nothing but shit. If you Google evil, you'll see Mao, Stalin, and Collin.

And so if I was younger, it would have destroyed my career in a serious way, but I was too old to touch. Now, I have another funny story. I put out a tweet after the Gaza thing, one of my illustrious colleagues said he was exhilarating. that the Hamas killed so many Israelis. I'm going, oh, yeah, you probably should have kept that one to yourself, dude. And then there was a big shitstorm. Cornell kept getting in the news. So one night I tweeted, I said, look, Cornell's doing fine.

President Pollock's okay, those faint praise. I said, the Provost Kotlakov is a rock star. I said, it's a utopian existence in Ethica. I said, what we have to do is get out of the news cycle. So I get a call for my brother-in-law, who happens to be named Ezra Cornell. He's a trustee by birth. And he reads part of my tweet to me. I said, Ezra, how'd you see that?

And that got no attention that I can tell. And he says, it was sent to me by my boss. I said, Daphty, where did she see it? He said, no, no, no, my other boss. And I go, you're an independent financial advice. You don't have a boss. He says the chairman of the board of trustees. So that tweet made it to the chairman of the board of trustees.

And he calls Ezra, who knows a lot of people in Africa because he lives here. And apparently the way the conversation went, he says, see this tweet? He says, do you know this guy? Because he was amazed that there was a faculty member who wasn't being a whiny bitch about how bad his wife is. at the oppressive place we call Cordell, right? And the chairman says, because there's hope. There's hope. Look at this guy.

And Esther says, well, that's my brother-in-law. And apparently that got quite a chuckle. So that's why I'd be hard to fire. Do you get shocked at the things, now it doesn't seem shocking at all. but maybe at the start, Elon Musk and the things he'll tweet, does that shock you at all? Musk is complicated. He's done a tremendous amount for Twitter,

tremendous amount for free speech, but he could be a limited hangout because don't forget every company's ever started in this deep state. Every company. Every company, you know that there's federal money, the CIA money. The CIA has his hands in everything. in Silicon Valley.

And if there's something that CIA doesn't have its hands in, then the Mossad has his hands in it. Silicon Valley is totally owned by intelligence at this point. They were the angel investors for Zuckerberg and all these guys. And if they didn't get in on the ground floor, they walked in and got in on the upper tiers. And so if you talk to something like Larry Sanger, who's the founder of WikiLeaks.

And I have chatted with them digitally. Is that chatting? I don't know what you call that. And he says WikiLeaks is completely owned and operated now on the important issues by the CIA and the FBI. They're gone. And you can tell when there's a story that's bullshit when you go read it. You go, wait a bit. That's just that.

So I wrote about the Lahaina fires. Do you remember how many kids they were saying were missing from the Lahaina fires? Do you remember the numbers? There's 970 kids who are not accounted for. USA Today said that number. It was a horror story. They sent the kids home, then the whole town burn. You go to WikiLeaks, read it.

First of all, the death toll said to be 93. You go, I don't think so. Surrey Bob, more than 93. And second of all, there's not a mention of a kid. No mention of a kid. I have a deep, dark theory on it. I think they might have been trafficked. I don't know what to say to that.

Honestly. I know. I know. Well, I dug into DEWs, directed energy weapons, because there were people saying that they thought the fire started. And I can't make a case that the Lahaina fires were started by DEWs, but I learned a lot about them. And what's clear is they exist. They're very, very potentially dangerous. They may be a super weapon. They may be super weapons. You can find articles that are 40 years old that are unclassified to talk about them. And you go, holy shit. That's anywhere near the truth. We are fucked. And some of these articles do a great job of talking about the technical problems. They do these clever tricks like they'll shoot a laser through the atmosphere. The atmosphere fucks up the DEW. So they shoot a laser to the atmosphere which basically burns a hole in it. And then a second pulse, like a nanosecond later, goes through and fries the target.

And stuff like that. And they talk about microwaves, broad swathes, broad swel. lot of frying versus some sort of some mazer or something. I guess that's a microwave laser. And but you can see articles written from within, you know, the defense agency talking about how dangerous China's DEWs are now, stuff like that. Articles from 20 years ago. And they're unclassified. So if you could go behind the paywall and up to the president, you got to figure there's some bad shit out there. Oh, guaranteed.

So I read about those. Guaranteed. I read about them and I can't convince myself that Lahaina was started by him, although there's, and there's a lot of bullshit evidence. But there happens to be a DEW testing site on Maui, so that got interesting. They're supposed to want in Antarctica. There's supposedly a lot of things in Antarctica. I know. I know.

You know this guy, Sean. Baker? No, Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan's the podcast host. Yes, the military man. Yeah, he had a guy who talked about what was underneath the ice in Antarctica. Well, I've had the same guy on, and I'm spacing on the guy's name. Eric Hecker. Eric Hecker was the plumber who had been on, had been there and talked about. But then there's this problem is you don't know how much, like,

There's a guy, there's an XCI named Moostamante, and he's out there giving talks and shit. He's not XCI. He's been reassigned to throw him bullshit up our ass. Right? But, and he went, one day, he said, you know, bring on the questions. I'll answer any questions. I read them all, actually. He went, it went on for, it seemed like eternity.

And some of them were funny as shit. Like someone says, is area 51 real? He says, no, it's designed to be a distraction. so you don't pay attention to area 50 and 52. And then he says, I'm not joking. So I actually took some notes from his answers because I thought somewhere embedded in some of his answers. It's part of the truth.

Yeah, yeah. There was some truth in there. Yeah. And so I actually rattled off a whole bunch of notes as I listened, as I read him and I did some copy pacing because I said, I think he was trying to tell us something there. But, you know, he talks about how he wanted to get out because he was married and this and that.

I'm going, yeah, right. Well, Dave, I tell you, every time I have you on, I'm sitting here and I'm, I always enjoy our chats. I know they've, you know, maybe you never know how long a podcast goes for. And I mean literally year after year, not how long an individual one goes for. But I enjoy chatting you and I enjoy having you on this side. I appreciate you making time for me again.

And certainly I hope in the future we'll have you back on this. to talk about some of the darkness or other fun or maybe not so much fun things in the world that are going on. Are you a fisherman up there? Do you fish in Canada? I'm a poor fisherman, but we do. New York State just broke their large, all-time large-mouth bass record by about 1.8 pounds.

Really? I wouldn't have believed. I would have said it was a 12 pound eight-ounce bass. out of the St. Lawrence. And I go, where did that bass come from? We're getting huge. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, it was out of Cuyah Lake.

It was out of St. Lawrence. It was out of my lake. I live on it. And you know what? It was caught within a half a mile in my house. I don't fish anymore. I used to fish as a kid. I forgot.

Now, why are they so big? Turns out there's an evasive species called gobies. And at first people going, oh, my God, I can't believe these guys. Then the fishery were going, you know, we're catching some big bass. Yeah, so these guys are feeding off gobi. So now guys jig with gobies. They jig with gobi-like jigs. And they're catching big fish.

Well, I appreciate you coming on. And it won't be the last time, I'm sure. Maybe the next time we'll throw in, we'll throw in, well, I don't know, man. Trump's assassination, the rigged election. Sure. the bird flu pandemic and oh by the way i do make a prediction there's um we are going to have violence on election night violence yeah because first of all the republicans are going to be poll watching their asses off and and when they try to close up some thing and keep counting votes all

night they'll they'll smash windows this time and if they don't they'll beat democratic operatives who will pretend to be Republicans and smash windows at the polls. There's no way there's not going to be violence and it's going to be blamed in the right way. Well, I tell you, we will watch with our eyes open and ears open. And I'll look forward to having you back on here at some point, Dave. Appreciate you coming on and doing this. And we'll pay attention to, how do people find you on X? That's probably the best place to find you and follow you if they want to. David B. Colum, C-O-L-L-U-M, David B-C-Colm. Thank you, sir, for doing this.