Shaun Newman Podcast - #690 - Crypto Rich

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

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He's a child protection social worker. He hosts the Crypto Rich show and is a social media influencer out of the UK. I'm talking about Crypto Rich. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Crypto Rich. Sir, thanks for hopping on.

Sean, thank you so much for inviting me. Really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you. Well, I tell you what, I have sat and I've interviewed Tom and Alex now. The last time was the 14th. So essentially, I've been interviewing them once a month for 14 months straight. They've come to Lloyd Minster twice now where I'm from. And I've watched, as you've interviewed them, maybe faster, maybe slower, I don't know, roughly the same timeline.

And I've just finally went, like, I just have crypto on, like a crypto rich on, that is. And just get to know you a bit because I'm like, I see you there. We're kind of in the similar space on Twitter. And I'm like, well, I just got to figure out who rich is. So why don't we start there? I don't care how long you take. Who is rich? Who is crypto rich? And where are you from?

Let's hear the story. I want to hear it. And we'll get into some things. All right. Well, listen, thank you so much for inviting me on. And we are both, I suppose, united in our, in our, I think, pretty much similar outlooks from the stuff that, you know, I listen to your shows with Tom and Alex. And I think you listen to mine with Tom and Alex.

We want peace. We want sovereignty. We want freedom. We want people to be able to be able to. to make their own determinations and their lives with what money being spent at home taking care of people versus being spent on war and killing people.

I think you agree with me that the Nuremberg Code counts for something and should be honoured and that the government doesn't get to intervene in my relationship, in consensual relationships between adults. And I don't just mean in terms of sex, but like if we,

want to go and meet up with our, with our kids' grandmother, we get to decide. The government doesn't tell us whether we can do that or not. Wild ideas, crypto. I mean, wild, wild ideas, Rich. I'm going to, I'm going to erase crypto off my screen because I keep saying crypto, because I like to shorten names. I'm just going to go to Rich. Let me say something about where that called from.

So I've done a lot of work in person development. I was a hell of a lot of work in personal development. I don't work then now. I did a course in 2011 through an organisation called Landmark Worldwide, which is about money. But it wasn't about how to make money. It wasn't about how to recharts or how to invest in real estate or anything like that. It was what's hidden from my view with regards to money.

So if I would ask you, Sean, you and I would have a conversation about money, right? And I say to you, well, what's hidden from your view with regards to money? You can't answer it. Because anything you answer, any answer you give isn't what's hidden from your view. And their whole work is based upon what's hidden from my view in this area and that area and this area. What can I not see about myself? So one of the things about me is, I mean, I did their foundation course 30 years ago.

Absolutely blew me away. the results I got. One of the things I discovered about myself is I'm arrogant. I had this full way of being of being arrogant. You couldn't have told me that. Go try telling an arrogant person they're arrogant. Who the hell are you? But the way the course is, I got to see for myself, it's like, oh, oh, I can be really arrogant sometimes. And I don't know that I'm doing it because it's hidden from my view. So I came out of their foundation course, Lamop from him. And I started telling my friends and family. Listen, I'm really sorry. I've just realized this about myself. And they were like, thank bloody goodness.

Thank goodness he's realized, right? And then I said to them in just that area, I said, look, if you catch me being arrogant, please tell me, because that will help me spot it myself and I promise to be responsible for it. And some of them did. And I started seeing it, apologising, and then I started catching myself as I'm being that way. And then I started catching myself just before, I can't say I've disappeared it. But when I tell people, this is one of things I got, it's like, you don't occur to us that way. But anyway, so this course was, what's hidden from my view in the matter of money? And that was the whole inquiry. So I'm looking and looking and looking what's hidden from my view in the matter of money and success and stuff? And I was working as a

child protection social worker at the time, not earning a lot because social workers don't. traveling to London to sleep on cousins floors five days a week because I could earn more there than I can in my hometown. Because I was determined that my children would never go to school. So then one of us had to be at home. So my wife was at home and I'd travel to London, do social work, sleep on cousins floors. And I wanted to, I want more money. So here's what I realized. I don't know the first thing about money.

I don't know where it comes from. I don't know what keeps their value. I don't know anything about it. So I took on a project out of that course to start learning about money. So I start learning about money in fractional reserve banking and I've got cousins who are bankers.

So I'm discussing with them and talking to them and learning from them and doing my own research. And I come across gold and silver as money and begin to see the difference between them as money versus fiat as a derivative, as a debt. instrument and then I come across this thing called Bitcoin. What is that? My wife and I, this is back in 2012. I came across it. I bought some in 2013.

The mistake I made was I didn't buy enough because we didn't know what it was. There wasn't a lot of information. And then I was like, well, how do I get into? How do I get into this? How do I get into this? I don't have coding experience. I'm a social worker. I bought a few more. I remember buying the Niro at 40 cents and and Ethereum for $3.00. I wish I'd bought it at 10 cents, right? So three dollars. And then in about December, 2016, January 2017, I really started thinking, what can I do? I'll start a YouTube channel.

I'll start a YouTube channel. And I was in early enough to get the name Crypto Rich. Because it's not a name that people give their children in Pakistan. All their kids, Crypto Rich, right? and I was early enough and then I just started doing my channel just doing what I was doing and then come lockdown actually Brexit life got very very interesting with Brexit I voted Brexit and started doing more and more political videos because money is political and come lockdown and everything got even more political now I tend to do more political

videos than I do on crypto and Bitcoin and that's and a crypto which isn't my real name and I and there is a reason for that which is I still work part time as a child protection social worker which I just absolutely love I mean it's a really really demanding horrible job in many respects the stuff I deal with would make your heart weak but I find it very rewarding and it fits but I don't necessarily want people to know you know I cycle around visiting families and really distressed council estates that their social worker is crypto rich. I have no idea. If I may, if I may on the social worker, you know, what is it about it that, you know,

you talk about it like just basically being gut wrenching and when I think about it, I go, man, that's got to be, I don't know, a devastating occupation. What is it that you enjoy about it? Well, I think I'm kind of, I've got the right persona for it. Like it is emotionally draining, but I'm blessed by a sufficient protective amount of insensitivity. That I'm not impacted by it. And I am at the really, really rough end. You know, there's easier types of social work working, adoption and fostering and doing assessments.

And I don't do that. I'm at the rough end where I'm going in sometimes. blind, knowing nothing or very little about the family. And then if necessary, removing family, removing children. If necessary, to me, it's like, okay, well, I'm going to make a difference to this kid here. And sometimes the difference that needs to be made is the child needs to be removed. Usually it's like, well, how can I work with the parents so that the children stay with them? Because that's the best thing.

I just find it very rewarding. And it's upsetting. and I suppose there's an aspect of me. I've also done the Gallup Strength Finder, which is just a phenomenal personal assessment tool. There's an aspect of me that enjoys advocating for people. And I'm working with what I consider to be the most distressed, disadvantaged, community demographic of all.

Children in abusive households where the households are so chaotic, they have no economic power, they have no political power, and even their own parents aren't caring for them properly. It's just what I do, Sean. It's just what I do. I had a reading with an astrologer this week. And I may actually do some videos with her because she was so spot on about stuff.

It was just uncanny. My wife had a reading with her. And then I thought, okay, well, I'll do it. And during the course of the reading, using Vedic astrology and Western astrology, I asked her, I said, what do I do for a living? and she said, well, you work with children. You remove children from traumatic situations.

It's in your charts. And she said you find it emotionally taxing, but at the same time, you're able to deal with it. Okay. So, but I do that. It's almost the, I don't know, the word that comes to mind is, superpower, you know, you're kind of, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,

you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, but it's almost, but it's almost flip side, you know, you're Batman during the day and you become crypto rich, uh, at night. Um, you know, you, you, you mentioned something of, uh, uh, read off the hop of sleeping on friends and neighbors and family members, floors to go make a bit more money in London, I believe because you didn't want any of your children to go to school. Can you tell me about that? You know, I assume by school you mean like elementary school. You didn't want them in the public system.

No, no. I didn't even want them going to like a private school. I didn't want the. I was unwilling to give my children away to non-familiar strangers or close friends. And, you know, my son's now 19. my daughter's 16, so they never went to kindergarten, they never went to nursery, they never went to primary school or anything. When they were both about 15, each of them separately asked, you know, to go to college. My son was older, he asked if he can go to college.

I said, and I was like, no, I don't want you going to college, you don't have to go to college, you don't have to go to college, you don't have to go to college. I want to go to college. He had to fight me. And then he went to college, and then after about a year or so in college, he goes, I wish I'd listened. Was that, when you have that deep of a belief, I don't want my kids to have, they're not going to, you know, preschool, kindergarten, on and on and on. I'm not going to pay for private. Is that a heritage thing? Like, is that family values or is that something you experienced in your life where you're like, or is that something you've read and watched happen? It's something I really, really researched.

My brother is a dean. He's a lecturer in this, in politics. specializing in Islamic politics. My mother was a lecturer in Pakistan. She taught M.A. English. My grandfather was a professor. I come from an incredibly educated family. Everybody's got degrees. My sister's got two degrees.

Highly, highly educated family. What happened was about 21 years ago or 20 old years ago as a social worker mentioned home education. And I'd never heard of it. So I started looking into it. And I came across this study by the Carnegie Institute, where they took 1,500 8-year-olds who went to school, matched them demographically with 1,500 8-year-olds that didn't go to school,

and tracked them for seven years. And they tested them for emotional literacy, social skills, numeracy, literacy, all sorts of parameters and things, right? and the home-educated kids outperformed the schooled kids. And within the home-educated kids, there's three broad philosophies. There's school at home, which is done by a lot of religious home educators.

There's project-based learning. So you're an eight-year-old, Sean. I'm your dad. This month we're just going to learn about trains. When you learn about trains, you get into all sorts of things like climate and topography and industrialization and mechanics and physics

and all that sort of stuff, right? Or there's what we did, which is unschooling. You play. You play and you play and you play. I am so, one hand, so proud of the child that I was able to give my children because I'm also blissfully happily married. So my children grew up in a, you know, with happily married parents. And then all they did was play and play and play and play and play and play and play and play.

But as they got older, their play developed commensurate with their age. So when my son was three, four years old, he's playing shot by lining up his toys and pretending to sell them to me or to his sister or to his mom. And then when he's seven or eight, he starts playing monopoly. And that's how he learns the rules of number. And then when he's 11, he hears me talking about Bitcoin and gold and silver and he buys some Bitcoin. And then when he's 15, 16, he's doing some. data entry work for me or when he was 11 he set up a car wash business that he ran for a couple of weeks in our street paying my paying his sister and his sister's friend 50 pence each

to wash cars and my wife sitting down showing him how to do profit and loss accounts and stuff for him it was all play all play and he learned so much just from playing and so ultimately why i took my children why i didn't want them going to school it's because I wanted them to have a great all-round education. We are the only... Do you have children, Sean? Three young ones. Eight, seven, and soon to be five.

Okay, take them. If they're in school, take them out. Okay? Take them out. I don't know about your circumstances. I don't know if it will work, right? But I'm passionate about children and children having the best opportunities.

We are the only mammals, Sean, that give away are infants. An infancy in human beings is naught to seven where the only mammals that give away are infants to non-familiar strangers. Chimpanzees don't give away their babies. Leopards, baboons, blue whales, elephants, they don't give away their babies

to non-familiar strangers. And why we do that is because of the needs of capital and industrialization and not because it's the best thing for children. So I did a hell of a lot of research about it, about home education. I looked at brain development. I looked at educational pedagogy. I looked at the history of schooling.

Teachers don't know how schools came about. Think, okay, well, school's there to educate children. No, school's there to teach you to conformity, obedience and compliance. Be like everybody else. Do as you're told without complaint. And here's a test for that. Supposing, Sean, you're religious, and I ask you to pray. You'd go and pray. You'd go and pray.

That's no test for obedience. How do I know you're praying because you want to, or because you're being obedient? The real test for obedience is to have you engage in an activity that has no meaning or relevance to you. So I want you to learn the kings and queens of England. I want you to learn 1066. I'm not going to teach you how to balance your, how to balance a bank account or your money or whatever. I'm not going to teach you about where money comes from,

about fractional reserve banking. I'm not going to teach you about UK common law. I'm not going to teach you about gold and silver and Bitcoin. I'm going to teach you how to fix a puncture or how to cook a nutritious meal or how to reverectious meal or how to revile and explore what you're passionate about. You like writing poetry? Too bad.

You've got to go into a maths class now. Put that away. That's how school works. It's evil. It was designed in 1806, Napoleon's rag-tag army defeated the Prussians. Prussia then, I think northern part of Germany, the only way they could have any wealth is through imperial conquest. A Prussian philosopher Johann Fitchd, I'm not sure I pronounce his name correctly.

He lobbied the Prussian royal family. He said, look, if we remove children away from their parents at a young enough age and have them engage in meaningless activities by state-appointed officials, we can train them to be obedient and do as they're told. So he lobbied the Prussian royal family. They set up the Skoll system, S-K-O-L-E, And then those children grew up to become the highly disciplined Prussian army who then routed Napoleon. Sometime later, industrialists in the US and France and Britain saw what was going on and say,

OK, we're going to use this system to have people work in our factories, making widgets without complaint, six days a week. So don't have an independent lifestyle. Come make widgets and then I'll give you some tokens at the end of the week and you can go and buy great. Don't grow your own bread. That's how schooling started. And one of the things for me was, why did the British bring schools to India and to Africa and to Australia and to the Americas?

Empire is not a philanthropic exercise. The British were, you know, they killed millions of Indians. They killed people everywhere. They enslaved them. Robbed them of their culture. Tore them away from their families. That's what imperialists do. Well, we're going to give, we're going to bring schools to India so that we can teach you, we are your lords and masters.

Don't follow your gods, follow our God. Don't listen to your parents, listen to us. We'll tell you what to do. And then we saw how that worked out during lockdown and how it's working out now in the UK. People don't question. They just do as they're told. Line up. Roll your sleeves up.

Have another shot. Oh, the first one wasn't enough. have another one. Oh, whoops, you need a third one. Don't worry, don't worry,

there's no long-term results. It'll be fine. It's safe and effective. We say so. You know, I find myself wondering about myself, you know, because I went through school,

went to college. Yeah. And yet, here I said, I couldn't have written this up. And I hear you say all those things, I'm like, huh, and it's not the first time

I've heard of unschooling. I appreciate you giving me the three different avenues. on homeschooling. I think that's really fascinating, actually. And yet here I sit, and I go, how the hell did I get to this spot? And I feel at times,

I hope this is a good visual. People won't enjoy this if they're a pet lover, but when we were on the farm, we had a Great Dane, beautiful dog, lovely dog. And we used to walk them with a shock collar on. That way, they could run wherever they wanted, but when they went too far,

you could just give them a shock and they'd come back, right? Yeah. And now for the animal lover, what happens is eventually you're not even shocking them, you're just giving them a beep. So they hear the sound and they come back.

But in order to understand what the beep is, you beep it. And if they don't come back, you give them a little shock. And if, you know, and it goes all the way up to 10. And there was two horses out in this field. And Ivy was her dog.

And she goes tearing after him. She's going to go get them. Like, oh, crap. So I beep her. Of course, she doesn't come back. She sees a horse and she's probably never seen a horse before in her life. And she's going to, she's going to go for a run. Of course, the horses goes off running and the dog's running.

And so I hit her at five. I hit her at six. I hit her at seven. I hit her at eight. I hit her at 10. And I'm holding it there because I'm like, this dog has got to come back. Otherwise here's going to be a $10,000 animal I'm going to pay for. And she is running.

Her whole body is straight ahead, but her head is turned back like this hurts. But I really want to keep going straight. And eventually she does. does this huge circle and she comes all the way back because I'm I mean I'm hitting her with the highest bolt this thing can give her after that she never went running past you know the beep but at times I guess why I bring up the story is through COVID even to where we're at Trump getting shot in the head I feel like her at times where I'm like I can see what everything is going on but I want to go with society so bad you know even though I know we're in the same clown world

And I wonder how much of that is at times being a part of the system for so long. So I guess, you know, like your story of unschooling and, you know, catching on a Bitcoin early, realizing, you know, this is, this is strange. Like, what are we doing here? This isn't the homeschooling. You're not the first one to bring that. I had a, I was on stage with James Lindsay and a few others in Cold Lake, Alberta, about two months ago and I brought it up as I got asked like what what are the trends you saw people that caught

on to COVID right away and I was like oh right away homeschooling comes to mind because you're already out of the system so you're like what the hell are these people doing you know so that's that's really fascinating to me the homeschooling end of it and yet I sit here and I had none of what you just said and I still sit here and we both found Tom and Alex and a whole cast of characters I might at and are all staring at like, this is insane where we're heading. Yeah. And but I think we all do, I suppose, some sort of rebellious or non-system activity in some way or other. You know, we find our own expression of it, which I think is a very unschooling sort of thing to say because there's no particular pattern for how unschoolers are.

They're, you know, Christian home educators, they'll use the Bible. Muslim home educators will use the Quran. On schoolers, it's like, oh, my God, just all over the place. The kids do whatever they fancy, really, right? Which is so foreign from, you know, this side of the world. Everything's supposed to be structured and, you know, and this is what you do. And you've got to be here on this time and you've got to be sitting. Sit up little Johnny.

You can't be slouching. can't be you know and on and on it goes I got a I got two busy little boys and at times they they want to put them in a box of ADHD or you know you can hear it I'm like they're boys they like throwing rocks they like jumping in puddles that's healthy I don't care who you are there there is a notion there is a concept within social work called normative abuse this is where there's a practice of childcare that is harmful but is considered is normal. Nobody notices it. So I would say that giving children formula milk is a form of normative abuse. I mean, certainly now in the last 10, 20 years, there's been a movement in the UK away from that.

And milk manufacturers, I looked at a packet of formula powder the other day and it said on the formula powder box, it said that breast milk is better. But that didn't always use to be the case. it used to be its formula is as good as or better than breast milk. It makes life easy for the mom. So I consider that as a form of normative abuse. Other people may not. I consider schooling a form of normative abuse. It is harmful because it diminishes children's potential.

There was a study. By the way, a lot of the references or any of the references I make are from like 20 or years ago because I did a hell of a lot of research. because I had to be able to stand on my own I didn't know any at home educators I had to be able to deal with all my family and friends just like I had to do with Bitcoin just like I had to do with the injections

it was good practice there was a study of about 100,000 8 year olds and 100,000 children in the UK and they were checking for this thing called neural divergence neural divergence is the is the neurological route of creativity

so a neuron one neuron can connect to 10,000 others. And each of those 10,000 neurons can connect with 10,000 others. And I've heard it say there are more neural connections than there are molecules in the universe. It's just a ridiculously large number. You can measure for neural divergence in children and in adults. So they took preschool children. Ninety-nine percent of them displayed neural divergence. And they tracked them through school, through school, through school. And the longer they went through school, the more the neural divergence diminished. So that by the time they were, I can't remember the age exactly, right?

But certainly by the time they're 16, only 1% display neural divergence. And here's one way of, I understand it, right? I can move my own. I can move my hands like this in my arm. like this, right? All sorts of ways. But if the only movement I ever make is this, then all the connections for the other kinds of movement, I'll lose those. This connection will get, this neural connection for this movement will get strengthened and strengthened and strengthened and strengthened and strengthened and strengthened and strengthened. And the other connections that allowed me to do this,

they'll fall into disuse. They'll get weaker and weaker and weaker. Meanwhile, this connection, the impulses will just travel faster and stronger and quicker. least resistance, just keep going here. And eventually it'll get to a point, I do this long enough, which I'm not going to, that I won't have the ability to make the other movements because there won't be any neural connections there. So when that happens to thought,

people can't think for themselves, they just do as they're told, which serves the needs of the ruling class. And they're the ones industrialists like Carnegie, like Henry T. Ford, They lobbied the government to bring about state schooling, compulsory state schooling. Why? Because they wanted labor. They wanted to disappear competition for their products.

You kill off creativity. You kill off the chance of competition with people coming up with alternative ideas. They wanted a captured market that they could then advertise to and sell their goods. to. No state, no centralized state can thrive when you have independent, independent, independent, minded, sovereign, creative, self-sufficient citizenry, especially if they're armed. I wish we had the Second Amendment in the UK. Didn't always think that way, but things are late. So people just trained to do what they do. And what saved me, I had a really great time in school, so I didn't home educate my kids as a reaction to schooling

because I had such a terrible time. I really enjoyed school. I didn't get to fulfill my potential. You know, I wanted to study zoology. My school didn't teach zoology, so I had to sit through biology lessons that were boring as hell. Most of all I wanted to do was biology.

And the books I was reading in English class. I was really good at English literature class, and I'm reading this book called The K, and it's just so boring. Meanwhile, in the weekends, when I'm 14, I'm devouring Joseph Helen novels every weekend. But they were not part of the curriculum. What? So, school's designed to kill creativity, to kill passion, to kill people's love of learning.

Don't bother learning anything. I remember I was saying Jimmy Dore talking about her, you know, during the lockdown period. Don't do your own research. Just do as you're told. Best recall reading. Don't read. Because then, you know, other people have power

and they make money out of you. So it was that. And then the other aspect is what's called attachment. And my work as a social worker is all about attachment. This is what makes us human. This is what makes us mammalian. This is what makes us warm-blooded.

It's only the warm-blooded creatures, the birds and the mammals that look after You get a few exceptions in some of the cold-blooded creatures, but it really is a feature of the warm-blooded animals. You look after you're young. And attachment as a system is more important than the digestive system or the neurological system. Everything's down to attachment. Our brains are so big that our infants, it takes them seven years to come out of infancy, and they're entirely dependent upon their primary careers.

usually their mother, but it can also be other close family members, fathers, aunts, uncles, and the stronger the attachment, the better the results for children in all respects. And I know because I deal with children at the opposite end where the attachment is so messed up, that for some of these children, there's really just no hope. It's just a cycle of abuse. Their children are going to suffer until somebody breaks that. And school is designed to break that attachment bond. so that we don't listen to our parents.

Do you love anyone more than your own children? Only my wife. Only your wife, right? Fair enough, I accept that, right? But she gave you your children, right? I agree. Can you get how much your parents love you? Yes.

There's no one who loves you more than your parents. No one. Not even you want to kids. So, crypto, or Rich, this will be the end of me. I just love shortening names. It's just built into my brain. We're on day, right as I speak to you right now,

we're on day 39 of being on the road. So short little story, two summers ago, we would have had at that point, a six, a five, and a two-year-old, and we loaded them up in a little rap four, right? Everybody thought we were nuts. We went for an 11-day road trip. My wife's from Minnesota.

us. We did this, you know, we did this 11-day road trip to get in Minnesota. And when I look back at the end of summer, my favorite part was the part everybody thought we'd be insane for, going for 11 days in this small car and the crying and just everything, right? And yet I was like, it was wonderful. The, you know, kids losing their minds, freaking out, pushing you to your edge, on and on it went. But it was so much fun to spend that much time in a close proximity that you had just had to deal with each other. There was just no getting around it. So that, you know, you go two years later and we planned 25 days on the road. Now we're sitting at my in-laws.

So it'll work out to be close to like close to six weeks since we left of being together. And now in Minnesota it's a little different because my in-laws are here. But certainly for the first 25 days, we were in a vehicle traveling on top of one and each other, freaking out, crying, sick kid, on and on it goes. And I enjoyed the hell out of it. Yeah. Like, I mean, it is to anyone who's never tried it and thinks, oh, you're insane. It's like, well, don't get me wrong.

Is there times where you're like, what am I doing? Yes, kids push you. And you push kids. And yet, when I look back on it, I'm like, man, I'm so much fun. Like, I would go longer. If money was not a factor, I'd probably go longer. Well, we had to reorganize our life. So that, because we're a single income family, we had to really reorganize our life because

there was no way I was going to put them in school. No way. No way, no way. They're not going to so we didn't give ourselves that option. And school has its all its stresses. You know, the school run, do your homework, testing, which is just evil and unnecessary. All the stresses of that, right? We didn't have that. You know, you traveling together, the five you're traveling together, well, you're building your bonds with each other. You're learning all kinds of social And who better for your children to learn their social skills from and to master them than with their parents? And then you're with your in-laws? They're bathing in the love of their family.

December at 26th, day after Christmas Day, 2017, I think it was. We went to visit my wife's family sister-in-law in London. And then the four of us, the following morning, the day after Christmas day, we get a taxi to Heathrow Airport. We get a flight to Singapore. We stay a day in Singapore. We then fly to Auckland. We stay three weeks in Auckland. We go to Melbourne where we got friends.

We stayed two weeks in Melbourne. Back to Singapore overnight. Back to London. That was the entire month of January when all the other kids were in school. And we had such a fabulous time. Flights were cheaper. Museums and stuff weren't crowded because the school kids were at school. outings were cheaper we just had a great time we lived our lives according to our schedule not somebody else's imposed artificial schedule and my son must have been

in twenty eighteen six years ago he would have been thirteen couple of years ago he said to his mum he said mummy do you remember that day in new zealand where in the morning we went for a swim in the dolphin with the dolphins my son and i we died in we went in the sea my daughter daughter and wife, they stayed on the boat and watched, right? We swam with the dolphins. And then later that day, we went for a walk through an ancient forest with a Maori guide. She goes, yeah, because that was the happiest day of my life. And so, you know, I imagine that my kids, all they have is a series, they're childhood of delicious experiences. You know, I had summer holidays.

I had a good time during summer holidays, but being unschooled in a loving home, well, that's day in, day out, delicious experiences, playing and playing and playing. And then, you know, we'd go to Pakistan and my children would be bathed in the love of my aunts and uncles and cousins and just hundreds of people running around. I mean, it's just gorgeous, gorgeous childhood.

And then they had the opportunity to engage, to engage in things that they were really interested in. So, you know, they'd wake up when they were up. It was my son's seven, my daughter's five. They'd wake up, have breakfast, or even before breakfast, start playing Lego. And they're playing Lego, and they're playing Lego, and they're playing Lego. They've got some Lego project that last days and weeks. And it's all they're doing, this Lego project.

And their homemade, other homemade friends come around and they engage in this Lego project. And they do that for a while. And then they start playing some other game. and they give that their odd, and then they start playing something else, and they give that their all. So my son, you know, he spent a whole period where he did nothing but ice skating.

Just every moment of the day ice skating. Or skateboarding, every moment of the day skateboarding. Or he got passionate as he got older about weight training and mutine. And every moment of the day, he was devoting himself to that. Or I'd walk into his room, he's 15, and he's watching YouTube. And I think, oh, God. But you know what? He's watching some doctor.

about life in 15th century Mali. Because he's interested. I walk into his room some other day. He's chatting to an old friend of mine that he's found who's teaching him Russian. He turns around when he's eight and his sisters started going to ballet saying, I want to do ballet. You can't do ballet. You're doing too much already.

We haven't got the space. I want to do ballet. For a whole year, he argued for wanting to do ballet. He ended some other clubs. He started doing ballet. He did it till he was 14. He loved it. He was great at it.

I wanted him to continue, but I'm done now. And he said to me, If I was at school, I wouldn't have done ballet this long because I'd have got teased. So he got to pursue what sets his heart on fire. And now, I can't believe. He's doing door to door sales. He's 19. He's doing daughter to door seals.

And that same level of power. that he brought to Lego or skateboarding or Magic the Gathering or whatever it was, he brings to this because it never got interrupted. He had the freedom and the space to devote himself to what interests him. You know, you brought up something in there that I think is worthwhile pointing out because I, you know, when you talk about government not getting involved in your life, You know, one of the reasons I started the Cornerstone Forum and brought Tom and Alex to it, among others, was I look at the world and I, you know, I probably don't get this 100% right. But you can get the direction I've set myself on is the more you can remove government from your life, you're just better off.

Yeah. I don't mean that. And you can think government is the most evil thing, the best thing, I don't care. I just go, as soon as they start to implant themselves in your life, you have a choice. point you have a way that they can really influence your life and in today's world I mean just take a look at us with every aspect from education to food to marriage to on and on kids rearing kids and and you know it just it just doesn't end because it's you know government is huge I sometimes wonder what government would have looked like 200 years

ago let alone further back you said you know you're happily married to your wife And I find that, I don't know, that lights me up because I like finding men who are happily married. It's like, geez, what a novel idea. Yet in our world, divorce is just, you know, if you're unhappy, get divorced and move on and carry on. When you talk about being happily married, what, I don't know, I haven't talked about it in a long time. But on this side, I'm very happily married. Ten years. We just passed our 10-year anniversary here in August.

And it feels like, you know, day one, not to get too corny, but I truly love my wife and I'm not ashamed to say that. What has worked for you? How many years have you been together? And I don't know. I'm curious about happily married men. Like it seems such a, you know, I'm surrounded by lots of them. But there's also lots that are just like, I'll just get divorced, just carry on with life.

It's not that big a deal. Sure. What great questions you ask? Great questions. Thank you. So in a few weeks' time, it will be 25 years together. Well, congratulations. Yeah, I've known her for 27 years.

She's Scottish. She's white. She's Christian. When we got engaged or, you know, she asked me if I wanted her to become a Muslim, I said, hell no. Because the revert, you can't convert to Islam, you can only revert. Because the idea is you go back. to your natural state because you were born a Muslim

but then you got led astray. So no fault was your own, right? If you reverted, you'd probably be a better Muslim than me and put me to shame. Right? So, and I'm very liberal, you know, for 10 years, I went to Quaker meetings. That's the kind of Muslim I am.

I'm just all in on their philosophy. We're all here at God's children who work for peace, love and honor all people. Okay. So we, we, okay, you'd be, the Christian you're the way you're a Christian I'll be the Muslim the way I'm a Muslim we'll see how it works out but if I were to say that the source of it for me so I have really really worked on myself I have really really worked on myself I am my default

setting is to be an idiot in relationships right I had a history of relationships before this current one where I was in long-term relationships that were very, very volatile and unstable. One partner was violent towards me. Others, there was the threat of violence. And then what I can see was not that I'm responsible for it, but how I sort of fitted that dynamic. Because I'd go with a girl, really, really like her, and then at some point I'd pull away and say, I don't think I should be with you. Because I want to get married, settle down, have children. I really should be with a Pakistani. And then the girl would come after me. And then I, you know, we talk and we get back together. And then after a few months, I just kept

doing this yo-yo, drive everybody insane. Sean, I've never dated a Pakistani. So I could always pull this trunk card. And Fiona and I, we met, I mentioned Landmark earlier, right? I was working for landmark many, many years ago. I did their foundational course. I had ridiculous breakthrough results in all sorts of areas, like, for example, disappearing racism from my life. I stopped getting racial abuse out from doing their foundational course. I cleaned up stuff with my parents. I went from being a school dropout, like, you know, no A-levels, fails them three times in a row to getting a first-class honors degree in two months of study and I didn't study hard. I told my Shia Muslim father about my Hindu girlfriend.

You'll actually know the deal about Hindus and Shia and Muslims. It ain't good. We eat beef. They worship the cow. The British divided and ruled us, right? To create conflict, right? And my relationship with my dad improved. So, you know, I said about what's hidden from my view.

So one of the things I got to address in that out of my work at Landmark is what's hidden from my view with regards to what's happening with me and how I am in relationships. why do I keep doing this this same recurring pattern where I'm like a yo-yo in and out, in and out, in an out. And you and I, consider this, Sean, and tell me if you can see this in life, right?

You and I, we go through life and we make decisions. And those decisions lead us down particular paths. So, for example, at some point, my parents decided between themselves that they were going to come to the UK and settle here. And then that's given life a particular direction. At some point, you decided, oh, I'll reach out to crypto rich. You and I, we also make decisions about ourselves. Things happen and we make decisions about life about other people. We make decisions about ourselves.

So one of the things I got to see out of participating in Lamarck's courses, is something happened when I was two and a half years old I'd forgotten that it had happened I'm in Pakistan having a good time and two and a half years old what else is it doing like other than have a good time and I used to eat grit

just a little bit of grit I like the texture I don't know why and my mum tried everything to stop me eating grit and then one day out of the blue she smacked me and she smacked me and she smacked me And I made a decision and then I forgot that I made that decision because it was just true. And the decision was, don't go near women.

So then I got to see how that played out later on in relationships. Because I wanted to be intimate with women. I fed in love with many fine women. But then that decision in the background was running the show, hidden from my view. And it was like, well, oh, that's what's going on. Then I could actually get responsible for the. mechanism and the way of being that had formed out of that decision. So three months into my relationship with my wife, I say to her, you never pretended to be Pakistani.

Never tried to trick me that way with her fair skin, dark hair, right? Her father who plays organ in the local church. Right. I said to look, I want to settle down. I want to have kids. And, you know, I really think I should be with the Pakistani. Now she'd done the Lamont work as well She was going through the courses

And she said to me Something that no other woman had said to me before Okay honey If that's what's going to make you happy I'll help you find her Oh my God Oh my God This mechanism this device didn't work

That's not the response That I was used to There was a malfunction in the programming An interruption And it's funny because we were actually both participating in a relationship seminar that at Landmark. So beginning to see what was going on running the show. And then I had a authentic look.

And I had a look. Do I really, really care about someone's race and religion? No, I don't. I love all the peoples. So then, okay, well, let me have a look at this one. And then I looked at how it was and I could, well, I don't know how it's going to be in the future, but how it is right now, it's pretty good.

okay let's do it so and so that you know and then i credit me working on myself and her working on herself and working on me because because i give her credit for it i i have this notion that when it comes to relationships men are much much bigger idiots than women and what a woman needs to do is to find the man who is willing to be trained and then train him. And what has, one of the things that's blessed me that I've benefited from is my wife is a bloody good trainer and I was willing to be trained. And I say to her sometimes, I say to it, it's, isn't it my turn to train you now? No, we're not done with you yet, honey. It's interesting to me that you get to basically work on yourself.

You know, in the middle of COVID, you know, I don't know how much, Rich, you know, of my story of the podcast journey, right? Started in 2019. And when it first started, it was interviewing hockey players and community pillars. I was doing interviewing my peers or I shouldn't even say my peers, my, I'm forgetting the word right now. elders, elders is the word I was looking for, elders of my community. And I was just listening to their stories, these people that have been around me since I was a kid,

and I was just letting them tell their story and on and on. And you know, it created some pretty good success. It got to the point where I was starting to interview some pretty big names in the NHL specifically. And of course, during that time, COVID's happened and nobody's talking about it. And the longer it goes, I think, man, are we all going insane? Why is nobody talking about this? And so then, you know, I started interviewing doctors, lawyers, professors and on the list goes and along that list, I run into Tom Luongo because of my brother

who followed him on Twitter. And then he introduced me after that interview to Alex. Long story short, you know, I get to probably, this is in the last year. My wife finally goes, like, what are you trying to do? Like, what are you actually trying to do? And I go, well, I don't think I can save the world. Pretty sure I can't save my province. I might be able to influence my city a bit, but probably not. So I think all I can do is get right with myself, figure some things out, found God along the way. And then maybe I can become a better person in the house, which means better husband and better father and some things that really stuck out to me, you know, when I first had our oldest, you know, I got some things to figure out. And if I can do those things, you know, can become a better man in the household.

just in general, then maybe I can take a step outside of it and maybe there's something more for me to do in my community. But I don't know. I don't know if I can get there kind of thing. And she looked at me, she went, oh, and I was expecting like you're an idiot. But, you know, at times I, you know, you talk about all these giant issues and you think, oh, we're going to go raw, raw, and save Canada or the United States or, but realistically, all we have control over is our actions and how we deal with things. And if more people, but man, more people is a lot of people, you know.

Look at how many people it took in Canada to get the mandates ended and look at what they're going through now. It's not an easy thing. And yet when I ask you about marriage of almost 25 years, I don't know what I was expecting, but you give me the answer that I've landed on for, you know, like where we're at in society today, which is, you know, look inward.

and fix some of the things going on there. And you'll find out that pretty quick, your relationships that are closest to you, which for people of my age, I assume, is your wife and your kids will start to improve probably immensely. Yeah, absolutely. And then the quality of life improves. Yeah, well, you become, I don't know if I use the,

I don't know if I like the word happy. I think the word that comes to mind is joyful. You get this level of peace in life. You're like, man, this is, this is something. Yeah. Being at peace, being content. You know, I think if there's an issue that's off between me and my wife, then none of my life works,

because that's the foundation of my entire life. That's the foundational relationship. And because I've had it so sweet for so long, if there's something that's off, it really shows up. You know, like in a clean room, you put a bit of dirt. You see the dirt. In a dirty room, you put a bit of dirt. You don't notice it.

And you're anewed to it. So our marriage is clean. It's good. Well, and that's why Jordan Peterson says, clean your room. Start with something really simple. Make the bed. Because if you never make the bed, you don't understand how messy it is. But if you just start making the bed, now you walk in the room.

you're like, the bed's not made. That's going to annoy me. So then you make the bed. And then all of a sudden it just starts, it starts propagating upwards. The little things. The little things matter so much. And that's something you could not have told me at 20.

I did not believe that. And as I get older, the little things just start to matter so much. Like over and over again, it's always the little things. They snowball. And do you know, do you know the most important thing of all,

I think, for people to get? is that they're loved. I don't think people get that. And the Lamarck uses ontology, which is the philosophy of being. It's all about being. How did I get to be the way that I am?

Why do I do the things that I do? And what else is possible? You take someone who bees shy, who is shy, and you, you know, like, for example, me, I'm not shy, but if you said, right? You know, Rich, you know, you can talk, you're articulate, you can talk one to one, just go up on stage. Ain't going to do it.

People focus on doing and they forget the being. We don't have access to the being because the being is hidden from our view. We don't see who we're being in life. And one of the things, one of the fundamental decisions that I think all human beings make at some point in childhood, and then they forget they make it is my mom doesn't love me and my dad doesn't love me and then as a child

I become unlovable to myself and it's just true and then when I get and I did out of the lab not for him because I realized this it's like oh my God oh my God my parents love me and I don't mean like as a concept

you know fatherhood if I imagined for you as it was for me it was a state change My thinking shifted. My money's not mine. My job is to provide for my family, for my children. I have very little money for myself. And okay, I'm now at a position where I can have some toys, but even then. Just a state change, a shifting mindset.

So when I got this state change, not as a concept, oh my God, I'm loved, I'm bathed in love. My parents don't want to approve of my choices. They don't agree with my choices, but they can't stop loving me. Can you and I stop loving our kids? Yeah, the answer is no.

No, we're prisoners. We're prisoners of our love for them, or rascals, right? We might be annoyed with them, but we love them. And then what our parents want us to get more than anything else, and I invite you to try this on,

Sean, and anybody who's watching on listening to this, right? Try this on. Somehow get for yourself, your parents love you, and then go to your parents, go to your mom, your dad and tell them, I want you to know, I get that you love me.

Because what we want as parents is for our kids to know that they're loved. I want to share something very personal. I don't know what it is about you, Sean. You're forcing all this stuff out of me. My first son died 21 years ago. He was born full term with severe brain damage, couldn't swallow. We don't know why. No issues in the pregnancy.

Complete surprise. And because he couldn't swallow, his lungs were slowly filling up with fluid. Never opened his eyes. Never made a sound, maybe, never cried. Probably deaf as well. We had a brain scan done.

It was just all over the place. There was nothing going on. And the doctor said, look, he can have an operation, but he may not survive. We don't know if it will work. And we said, as God gave him to us, we'll love him as he is for as long as he is with us. But slowly over time his lungs filled up with fluid and the doctors took him out the incubator and they said, look, we think this is going to be the last night with him.

And we said, okay, we'll spend all right with him. And we lay with him between us talking to him. And all I wanted him to get is that he's loved. you're loved. And then, you know, it just reinforced what I'd learned at Landmark. That's what my mom and dad wanted me to get. And I was able to tell him, I'd get that you love me. That's why you say all the things you say, even the ones I don't like.

Because you love me. That's why you didn't want me to do social work. What Pakistani guy does this bloody social work? I was thinking the other day. first off that's like a beautifully heartbreaking story for any I mean for anyone you know that's um that's tough and uh I was thinking the other day my mom I don't know if she listens to this anymore and she probably does she probably listens more than I care to admit which probably you know I probably have said some things on here that I'm like uh well that one's gonna come

back to bite me but she used to drive me absolutely insane she probably still does a bit but I be like, mom, I'm not addicted to any hard drug. You know, I got a full-time job. Why? You're just not like, give me a hug and just leave me alone, right? And then, you know, I've been thinking about that lots. I don't know why lately. And I don't know how I'll throw, I'll throw something out because I should just ask her about it when I get home. Maybe that's exactly what I'll do. But it's like, you can see what your kid could be. And when they don't live up to potential, you're like, man, I don't know, this is just me sitting here as a father right now. I'm like, what can I do? How can I push on them a little bit to get the reaction or to push them to what they can be?

Because what they can be is incredible. And when they settle for anything less than that, you're irritable as a parent. I don't know. Does that make sense? It does make sense. And I would reframe it slightly because I think the way that you've articulated it, There's a little bit of defensiveness and a little bit of that somehow she may be criticizing you or diminishing you. Right? I speak to my son and daughter and I say to them, do this, do that, do this, do that. Because I just want the best for them. They're wonderful.

They are wonderful. They are whole, perfect and complete. It's not like there's any potential for them to realize. They are just gorgeous, deliciously perfect, and I just want the best for them. And it's the same deal with your parents and you. My dad would say to me, Berta, don't go with girls. Berta, don't do social work.

Biddy, cut you here. Berta, you're not eating enough. Biddy, do some exercise. And my dad just wants the best for me. In fact, I'll tell you what happened with my dad, right? So I'm living in West London. and normally my mum would get me ready for school. This day my dad did, I don't know why,

but it was a bit of a treat. My dad's getting me ready for school. So, 1972, Acton, he makes me wear shorts, skinny little tie, olive oil in my hair, and a centre parting. All the kids, you know,

they're dressed like, they got hair like the Osmans and David Cassidy and stuff. And I go to school in West London looking like an outtie. little brown outtake from a Noel coward play. I go to school and the kids tease me for the way that I'm dressed. And as a seven-year-old, my dad knows everything. Why did he do this?

He knew I would get teased. Why did he do this? Because he doesn't love me. Oh my God, my dad doesn't love me. And I went home a very sad little boy. And I didn't ask my dad, because it was just too upsetting. I just knew he didn't love me.

love me. So then I'm 15 years old. I want to buy some rollerblade. And I ask my mom, she goes, yeah. Ask your dad. I ask my dad, can I have rollerblades? He says, no. More evidence. And then I'm, I'm in the sixth form at high school. And I want to, I've been invited to a party. I want to go to a party. My mom says, sure. And I asked my dad, and he goes, will there be alcohol there? I said, yeah, but I want to drink. Will there be music there? Yeah. Will they be. Will be girls there? Yeah, you can't go. More evidence. He doesn't love me. So just everything he said was through that filter. He doesn't love me. Don't do social work. He doesn't love me. You're not eating off. Cut you here. But it's just having a God pop at me all the time. And then I did a Lamont

Forum and I remember this what had happened. So come out of the Lamont Forum. I see him the following week and I said to him, said, this is what happened. You dressed me this way and this is what I decided. And he said to me, Bete, where I was grown up, brought up in British India, that was the best way I knew how to dress here. Of course, from his upbringing, from where he learned about smart dress, that time, that place, it was the best way. What did he know about doing my hair like Donny Osmond?

Did you ask? Did you ask him about the girls and the music and the booze? No, but it all disappeared. He doesn't want me doing social work because in his eyes it ain't good enough for me. It's not that I haven't reached my attention. I assume he didn't want you going to a party with young girls and booze and dancing thinking, if he knocks one of them up, then he's tied down. No, because he's a good pious Muslim and he wants me to live that life because that's the best thing for me.

Right? And then the whole relationship shifted everything. Instead of me listening to a filter like he's just putting me down, he just loves me. I am blessed. I'd eat as much of his curry as I could because it was delicious. Ready you're not eating, you know. I'll be, I promise you.

I would eat more if it was more room. This is great. Man, I've, you know, when you plan out a chat, one of the things I was excited about with this one, is I told myself, I'm like, oh, how much do I do a deep dive into crypto rich? Like, do I, do I listen to this a ton of interviews or do I just walk him blind? And I'm like, he's a host of a podcast. We're walking him blind because you'll be able to talk, right?

If nothing else, you'll be able to talk and we can filibuster. And that's an adventure sitting on this side. I don't know if I saw this chat coming the way it's coming, you know? I do like this. This has been fascinating. I'm really enjoying this. And so I hate to change off the subject of family and all these wonderful things because listen, where I'm from, the people I've surrounded myself with are happily married,

have healthy children, are involved in their children's lives. Yet I look at statistics and it shows that that's not the case for a majority of people, that more and more divorces is coming. I don't need to look that far and see that it's it's readily available socially normalized. You see the different things happening in the trans movement, the LGBTQ, you know, all the all the letters. And you just see everything happening. And I just, I'm like, well, I talk about it because I want people to know like, you know, like my belief is pretty much as far away. I had this epiphany in one podcast.

I'd love to go back and find it. We're in the middle of it, I blurted it out. Oh, my God, am I becoming a traditionalist? Like, when did that happen? Like, how did I get here? And yet, you know, when we talk about all the things we were just talking about, it's almost like kindred soul a little bit, you know? It's like, oh, man, there's another, you know, like I was listening to Tucker Carlson

get interviewed by Sean Ryan. And I always enjoy hearing a host get interviewed. Because you can start to hear their thoughts and get asked personal questions. And, you know, like Tucker Carlson, to me, the more he gets interviewed, the more he talks about marriage and his upbringing and his family life. And I'm like, oh, this is really interesting. And I guess that's what I'm finding out about yourself is like, I've listened to you interview people where they chat about, you know, geopolitics, right? What's happening in the world? And yet you go, I wonder what crypto rich is, like who he is.

And I guess this has just been an enjoyable hour. And I want to like really thank you. for taking the time to say yes to this. And I'm going in my head right now. Do I leave it here and just call it a day? Or do we talk about the comment you made before we started about how Britain is going the way of Canada? And I laugh, I'm like, I think Canada's going the way of Britain.

What? I don't mind talking about that. I'd love to talk about that. Sure. Well, I stare at X and I'm like, it looks like all of Britain is burning right now. And yet you probably look at, Canada and think the same way. So I'm like, what's happening in Britain? Yeah. Well, I think,

first, just to finish up on the previous section, right? Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to share myself so freely and being so so gracious and teasing it out of me, right? And the thing I want to say about the tradition and stuff, I don't think my values and principles have changed. I joined the anti-apartime movement when I was 18. because i honor all people are worthy of honor i'm the only muslim i've ever met in quaker meetings all people are worthy of honor i'm married to a christian my brother's wife is jewish my previous girlfriend was hindu the best man of my wedding his wife is Sikh i love all people all people are worthy of honor i think what's and and then i believe in things like bodily autonomy you know whatever my personal views are about abortion it's not for me to disson side. You know, my wife and I've talked about it, right?

And I wouldn't want her to keep the baby. But it's her body. She gets to say, I don't own her. Not on anyone. And similarly, nobody owns me. I don't own you. Sean, you don't own me. Let's dance.

Consensually, of course. I said, that the world has shifted. And in the back, background is this monitoring looming monetary collapse because the debts can't be repaid they got to get something in before it all collapses so they can retain power and how do they do that by throwing up these crises these conditions that create that lead us along the way to a CBDC biometric digital IDs techno feudalism and then we're owned but they got to do it in a way that we don't notice they can't do it the way

Pol Pot did in Khmer Rouge because it's too obvious too brutal and they can't do it the way Stalin did with Holamador in Ukraine and they want to keep everything intact let's do it this way let's tell people there's something really terrible to be afraid of out there and then what they need to do is stay indoors and then what they need to do is listen to us and we will rescue them and we'll keep them safe from those from that this risk this danger and it might mean that this this thing that's out there that's so dangerous we have to suppress it and contain it and demonize it in order to protect you and four years ago it was this mythical virus and now

it's the far right today in the local authority that I work for that our instructions were to work from home because it's too dangerous to go outside and I'm okay this is lockdown 2.0 so what they're doing

is the similar sort of stuff that I saw Turdo do in Canada same playbook or same outcome you know you had to be afraid of those racist white supremacist far right truckers, 20% of whom are Sikh, I understand, because and the vast majority of whom had had the injections anyway. Those racist, far right, white right wing injected Punjabi Sikhs, you're dangerous, right? It's just completely absurd. So there's the clout, Piven strategy is at play. So if I take it back a little bit, right,

Here's what's happened. One of the things I noticed during lockdown, and I fell for lockdown for the first six weeks, I confess, and then I woke up to it. Like, why am I just going along with what the government's saying blindly? Never start digging into this, right? But I noticed it was odd to me that different governments of different political hues were doing the same thing,

whether it was New Zealand, Australia, Cyprus, Greece, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Canada, blue states in the US, all doing the same thing. Why there's uniformity? Why not the social democrats doing something different from the Greens, doing something different from the conservatives, doing something different from the liberals?

It doesn't make sense. And then, you know, a rule would come out in Cyprus and then other countries would follow this taller along. The problem in the UK for the W.E.F. is this rump of liberty-loving right-wing traditional conservatives. When they had the vote in the UK about giving about the vaccine mandate for health workers, eight MPs from the opposition bench voted against it,

including Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. Only eight. One hundred conservative MPs voted against it. And those that, you know, their Brexit. minded. They believe in things like family and church and small business and your home is your castle, all those sort of ridiculous English notions that have shaped English culture and British culture. So what I said was soon as the Tories are going to do such an awful, awful job that they're going to hand labour a massive majority. No opposition and Kirstama will be much,

much worse than the Tories ever were. And that's what's happened. And people haven't gone for Kirstama because he's a visionary, because he's so inspiring, because he stands for something so worthwhile. No, because the alternative was so bad. Sunak during the election campaign said, oh, if we get back into power,

we're going to bring in conscription. What? That's a vote winner? Are you insane? No, that was deliberate. That was absolutely deliberate. So now we have a situation where we have one in five Britain, one in five of the electorate, voted for Kirstama, who has this massive majority. He's purged the Labour Party of the Libertarian, of the Liberty-loving Left.

And I would have said, you know, that's my heritage. I'm left-wing. I joined the Labour Party to support Jeremy Corbyn. I'm from the Libertarian-loving Left. There are some of us who call us Anarchus or something, but I've never studied it. I want power and decision-making as decentralized as possible. And thanks to Tom, I now understand money.

Sound money more and more, right? So he's converting me there, right? So then, well, what's Starma going to do? He's going to do the great reset on steroids. Because they've got to get it in before everything collapses. And he's got no opposition. Not in Parliament. So then he has to suppress any opposition.

And how he does that is by putting mechanisms in place right now to suppress opposition. So arresting people for Facebook posts. And then what you do is you other. You know about othering? I have all my life been othered. I've been othered as a Paki. I've been othered as a Muslim. I've been othered because of my left wing views.

I must be a communist. I've been othered as a as a ANC sympathizer. I've been othered as Putin's puppet. I've been othered as an anti-vaxxer, as a conspiracy theorist, as a climate denier. I'm sure you now see yourself how you've been othered. Oh, I've been othered a lot then. You've been othered a lot, but governments do that. Countries do that on a larger scale.

Muslims are terrorists. Jews all hate Muslims. They're all murderers. You know, people get othered en masse. So that happens at different scales. So now what's happening is that Britons are being othered. Local people are being othered. And what's missing from people like you and I,

and you and I may have done this, by the way, but others is an upgrade of our conversation. Now, come back to this in a moment. So the government is stoking, in my opinion, the UK government is stoking conflict with its statements and its deliberate activities. I was in the UK in London when the National Front, an openly racist party were having demonstrations. I was in London when there were the riots of the 80s and the 90s. We weren't told to stay at home. Be afraid, be afraid, be afraid, be afraid.

in the little town that I work in, which is very, very middle class. There's no risk there. In the city where I live outside of London, there's no risk here. Be afraid, be afraid, be afraid, be afraid. So my colleagues are afraid to go out. And what you've got to be afraid of are the far right. Everybody's far right now. I'm far right because I don't believe in open borders.

And then I have conversations with my family and friends, and they're like, well, how can you ally yourself with the racists and the xenophobes and the, you know, those Nazi extremists? And I think what's missing is an upgrade. So I take it, Sean, you didn't have those toxic MRNA injections. I did not. Right. My children didn't have regular vaccines either.

Some people, their children had the vaccines. And along comes this mRNA vaccine. and they relate to it like it's the same thing. Like it's a regular vaccine. No, this is not the same thing. This is not a vaccine like the others. By the way, last year, I had the yellow fever vaccine. I consulted with a few people.

I was going to Sierra Leone. And I couldn't get in without a yellow fever vaccine. And I decided to have the yellow fever vaccine. But that's not like the MRNA injection, which I don't call a vaccine. So there was no upgrade. people just related to it as the same. So when it comes to immigration, in Britain,

it's been like this in modern times. There's been the immigration from the 50s, 60s and 70s where British capital went to India, went to the Caribbean, went to Pakistan, said, look, we need doctors and nurses and bus drivers and train drivers because our economy is expanding. Common work.

So people can. came over, they were vetted, they were checked. Whatever vets were vetting was in place, right? Yeah, you're a doctor, you're a teacher, you got a qualification, can you study for a local qualification? Yep, you got everything in place. We'll interview you. Okay, you can come. You get a job and you've got to be live responsibly to hold down that job. You can't go doing what you want, smashing up the place, doing crime. No, you're a responsible citizen. You're contributing to society. you're a teacher, you're a doctor, you're a bus driver. And then you're integrated into the community, into the network, into local society,

through the workplace. Then there's authentic, genuine asylum seekers. So I as a social worker have worked with Vietnamese boat kids. I've worked with kids that were fleeing Pol Pot. Okay, well, you're fleeing brutal oppression. Okay, well, let's check you out. out. Okay, we'll assess you. Okay, okay, fine, you're in. We'll take care of you. We'll support you. So there's migration when the economy is expanding and the available resources are expanding.

And there's what's been going on lately. Oakland borders. Anybody can come in. Come in, come in, come in. I've done a lot of coverage on Ireland. Island's got a population, a few years ago, about three and a half million. It's now over five million. Island homogenous Roman Catholic nation, unified people. Long, long tradition, 8 hundred years under British rule, the poroussons. It's now in Ireland, one in three. People between the ages of 19 and 39 are recent arrivals. They're not white, they're not Christian, they're not Roman Catholic. One in three.

What does that do to Irish culture and society? What does it do to fabric of a place? What does it do to local traditions? Resources aren't expanding because the economy is not booming. So you have more and more people struggling for the same amount of resources. That creates conflict. Who's doing it and why? All the ruling class are doing it.

Because it creates conflict. And then anybody who objects, well, they're far right. They can be demonized. They can be othered. I wouldn't want a situation in Pakistan where all of a sudden, one in three adults in Pakistan between the ages of 19 and 39

are people from Africa or China, or India, or Afghanistan, or South America, or Canada, or Britain. It would destroy local traditions, local culture, local cultures and you don't know who's coming in. Open borders didn't work for Tasmania. When the British arrived

and hunted the Aborigines like they were animals, killed every single one of them. Open borders didn't work for Native Americans who had their lives and their livelihoods, their cultures, their traditions, their languages, everything destroyed. And then people think, oh, because they're not coming at the point of

gun that it's the same thing no the MRI injection is not a vaccine you need an upgrade and you need to look and see at what is happening now who's doing what whose interests are served my interests are not served by open borders by bringing in all these people from other parts of the world there was something Boris Johnson was going to do a few years ago which thank goodness didn't have happened he wanted to deposit I think something like 1700 men from Afghanistan Syria and Iraq Muslims in a village of 700 people in the English countryside why would you do that why would you do that I'm not anti-muslim what does that create it creates friction okay you've got a couple maybe a couple of people a couple of families involved the local community, include them, put 1,700, 1,700 people in a village of 700 English people? And there's no jobs for them? They're going to be hanging around, getting free handouts from the government, and then the local people are going to see?

That's what's been going on. And then the local people they object, or they're racist, they're Islamophopes. No, they're people who care about their tradition and their culture. Just like I care about my tradition and my culture. And I honour yours, and I honour my wives and my sister-in-laws. What the British are really, really great at? Divide and rule. Have us fighting each other so we don't notice

as Kier Starmer, Kier Stalin, starts rolling out. Facial recognition. Digital IDs. Suppressing dissent. We need to stop. the trafficking of misinformation and fake news and hatred. And I think the British police, the British government are deliberately doing things to stoke this because the difference is in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s when there were these riots.

And remember the ones in the 80s and 90s is because of police brutality or perceived police brutality against black communities. They called for calm. We're going to protect all people. We're going to take care of everybody. Everybody gets taken care of. Yes, you have a right to protest, but it's got to be peaceful. And no, you don't have a right to trash your town in reaction to that. Everybody protests peacefully, no problem. But Kirsteimer says we're going to take care of Muslims.

Well, no, take care of all people. Because unless you take care of all people, you're dishonoring me as a Muslim. Because we are all God's children. some of us may be on an incorrect path but that's not through any thought of your own short one of the things that appeal to me about the Quakers is they don't evangelize so I'm a pretty lousy

Muslim as in terms of evangelical terms I'm not a Quaker by the way where do you like when you see everything going on where do you see us heading I've had on Tom and Alex, Martin Armstrong, I'm forgetting about 10 others that, you know,

peer into the future and try and say, this is kind of, you know, our paths that are being set. When you stare at the next, you know, what's the American election under 90 days away now, and certainly in North America, that's a big day. When you look at where we're heading towards, what do you see? A shit show.

for the short term. A shit show for the medium term. But on the other side of this, it's going to be really, really good. That's what I see. And the shit... I listen to what Martin Armstrong says. Let me put it this way.

I think you'll get this, right? One of the things that Tom's really great at is the big level picture. His strategic thinking. you know, for board games. Like some really, all I got is risk. I don't play any of his board games, right? Yeah, but how the different players

and the multiplayer game, right? And then Alex, with his knowledge of history and he can see the patterns through there. And I've been thinking last few months so and more and more is about what I bring to bear as a child protection social worker, which is patterns of abuse. How do abusers behave?

How do they abuse to behave? I go in blind into home sometimes. I just get a phone call and I'm told this is the family you're going to work with and I go in. And my job is to look at it from all sorts of different angles. So what's the mum saying about what's going on? What's the dad saying about what's going on? What are the grandparents saying? What are the different kids saying?

What's the school saying? What's the GP saying? What's the health visitor saying? What are the police saying? You know, to get as holistic a picture as possible. So I find it very, very easy. And that comes naturally to me. Plus, I develop that.

So I find it very, very easy to draw different strains. And I don't talk about all of them on my videos and stuff. So I listen to what Tom is saying. I listen to what Alex Craneer is saying. I listen to Martin Armstrong. I listen to others. And look and see myself how it's playing out. I bring what I know about money.

And I bring what I know, the little than I know about history. how history repeats itself and how people operate when, when financial integrity collapses, because there's no integrity in fiat currency. It's a really poor foundation and eventually it always collapses. I listen, I listen to astrologers. I go, I listen to other practitioners in that whole sort of domain.

I don't discount any of it. I see how it plays out. so that in the first six weeks of lockdown i was listening to people like dr vernon coleman and jeff berwick and they were saying it's all a scam it's all a scam it's all a scam alex jones it's all a scam they're going to bring in digital IDs i couldn't see it then but i carried on listening to them let me see how it plays out ah they turned out to be correct they got they got an eye on something that i can't see well let me look through what they're saying through their filters and add it to the picture So there are changes happening at a cosmic level, at a stellar level. And I started doing more and more videos about this, by the way, right? And it brings in, it ties in with a lot of the work that Graham Hancock is doing, or has done. It ties in with Hindu philosophy of the Yuga cycles.

And it kind of fits with what Tom and Martin and Alex Klan and many others are saying. others are saying things are breaking down they're breaking down at an energetic level and we are nothing but energy they're breaking down at a cosmic level they're breaking down at a monetary level they're breaking down at a political level they're breaking down at a societal level they're breaking down at the level of family in a way you have parents or the state get how's this for a fractal the state encouraging the mutilation of children by telling children there's something wrong with them and that they need to do some sort of gender intervention.

Well, I know that as a child protection social worker, that's Munchausen syndrome by proxy or fabricated and induced illness. There's something wrong with you and you need this medical intervention. It's a very dangerous, evil and pernicious form of child abuse and the government is doing that to children through the trans agenda. So, oh, sure, you've got so much out of me.

Well, I promise this. I answered your question. Yeah. I think you said it to right off the hop. I can't remember if you use the word chaos. That's the word that comes to memory. You said chaos in the short term, chaos in the medium. And then in the long term, we come out on the better side of this.

And to me, what comes to mind is is the whole strong men create good times good times create weak men weak men create hard times and we're walking into hard times how long does hard times last i don't know but if i didn't have you know it's like well do you wish this never happened well i certainly wish parts of it never happened but then i would have never met crypto rich go back to 2019 in life carrying on in that direction sure but i wouldn't but i wouldn't be but i wouldn't be here because because like i told you i was about NHL. I still like the NHL. I still like the Hamilton Oilers. I still want to see him win a Stanley Cup. But I don't think I've ever done as meaningful conversations as I'm doing right now.

And the only way I got to this point wasn't by nothing bad happening. It was by something really rocking where I was standing. And, you know, at that point in time, I kind of built my foundation on the old Sandy Shore and it went away awfully quick, you know. And, you know, and, And that forced a lot of deep conversations into areas I never thought I would talk about on air. Oh, man. It's just, you know, but now I'm like, I don't think there's anything we shouldn't be talking about. Honestly, like, I think we've held the meaningful conversations away from the purview of the public and me being one of the public for too long, where it's like we're not allowed to talk about these things. Well, we got to start because if we don't, we get to the point.

where you have men competing against women or or take it to the the the children you have children being told you know like oh get a get a certain it's just like what do we do it like we've we've lost our bloody minds but in fairness we're not talking about and i don't know how the heck we ever got to that even being talked about because it seems so absolutely upside down i come from the farm you want to convince me that a bold can be a cow go ahead you know like uh you know i don't think it farmers are going to agree with you on that. Oh, you're just, you're just far right. That's just hate crime.

Well, isn't that true? Yeah, you know, like actually, I find that funny, Rich, because, you know, like at the start, when I first started talking, you know, to my first doctor and, you know, and different people, you know, just bringing up medical ethics was pretty far right. Now, I know there's a whole chunk of that audience that no longer listens to me.

And I'm probably to be surprised. There's probably a few that have listened right from the start and have never wavered. And the conversations I have now compared to 2019 when I started are, you know, like I was pretty nervous to bring up the word God. It's pretty nervous to bring up the word vaccine or, you know, on and on. This goes. And now I'm like, well, I just don't think there's too many things that can make me blush, I guess, so to speak. You know, certainly there's a few topics that we don't talk an awful lot about. But some of it is just like, I'm I'm, you know, I got enough holes in my game right now.

We got to talk about the things that you're interested in. And from that, you grow and you build your foundation and you slowly get to branch out. You go back to make your bed. And maybe someday you get to do a couple other things that you never thought you'd do. It's growth. And if you compete against yourself, you know, if you measure off of what you did yesterday, man, I think about, well, it's over five years ago now full time. Well, five plus years of this podcast being going.

And two is full time. This is all I do. And while I don't want to get better, I want another five years, I just don't want the government to shut it down, you know? It's like, dang. Like, I'm just starting to get the hang of this thing, you know? Well, just on that couple of things I'd like to say. So the other thing that's going to empower us are the forces of decentralization.

You can't defeat decentralization. And that includes Bitcoin and blockchain. You can't. And then all the decentralized social media apps like ThreeSpeak. Rumble centralized. Spotify centralized. ThreeSpeak isn't. ThreeSpeak.tv. It's small right now.

It'll grow. Bitcoin. Pirate chain. ThreeSpeak.tv. Tell me about that. I've never heard of that. It's built on the Hives blockchain. It's fully decentralized.

There's no organizational agency behind it. There's no foundation. it's completely free to upload. It's tiny. Nobody knows about it. And it's censorship resistant. You know, the government can't go to it. There's no organization that the government can go to and say,

look, can you pull this off? And as a podcaster, sitting in Canada, I could start uploading to it tomorrow. Yeah. And you can access it just via the web. Prespeak.tv. Yeah. And there's decentralized internets being developed. There's a decentralized virtual private network.

Sentinel.com. Sentinel.com, a decentralized virtual private network where you have nodes all over the place. You know, when there's a crackdown in a particular regime where they say you can't use VPN, downloads of Sentinel's app go through the roof in that area. Well, you may have, you know, of all the nuggets you've been talking about today, three speak TV,

or three speak dot TV. I can connect you with, with one of the developers of a similar mind to you and i who has a team of people that build on that they don't own it they just develop applications on it well one of the things one of the things rich that i've been like not terrified because i'm not terrified of it i'm like you just have to figure it out has been you know canada's view on what probably i do among others you know amid the spread of misinformation disinformation all this different things and them trying really hard to eventually control that, right?

Yeah. And I want no part of Canadian government. I just, I don't want any part of it. And one of the things I've been struggling with is where do you go, though? You know, where do, because everything you just said after you said three speak. Dot TV, all the different channels, how they're centralized and how they on and on and on went. So three speak.

com. I've never heard that before. I'm, you have my, you have my interest. Yeah, I'm Shadowband on YouTube, so I hardly get any views, right, on YouTube. A video that might get 200 on Odyssey, which is hybrid. It's part centralized, part decentralized, but they're moving to a decentralized model. I might get one or two views on three speak, because so few people know about it, but censorship will drive people there.

Because people want to be free. They want to be able to express themselves freely. It's what happens. So the forces of decentralization are on our site, because centralized power cannot defeat decentralized power, try and get rid of ants in the world. You can't. You just can't. You're all over the bloody place, apart from Antarctica. Well, and if, and if it's, and if it's, um, like, if it's user friendly, right? If it's, if you, you click on it, you know, like one of the things I hate about YouTube, because I, I, I have to be shadow ban. I've been removed off there twice,

brought back twice, which always shocks me. I'm like, why the hell did they bring me back? Anyways, I'm, I'm there. And, uh, you know, I'm, I don't even know what my videos get there. I was just talking about this last week, how I just had a video removed. I'm on, you know, like six, six, six, six nine or six, six seven, no, six seven nine, six eight, zero, one of the two. You get the point, right in that range of episodes,

149. Think about that. They went way back in the time machine and removed an episode from like 700 ago. I was like, why the heck would they remove that? I don't even remember what we're talking about. That was like, anyways, as long as one of the things you hate about YouTube is it's so user-friendly. And one of the things about Rumble that really bugged me right off the start,

and people keep telling me it's better, and the heck, we post a Rumble. But at the start, I couldn't even find my own channel. I'd type in the exact title. I couldn't find anything. So with any new thing, if it's user-friendly, and it- And it does a way of decentralizing from what is going on. You have probably a billion dollar idea there.

It's probably what it is. Oh, yeah. And you can earn money. You can earn crypto from posting on there and interacting with your community and they can send you crypto. It's really fast. It's great. Not enough people use it.

You move on to it. And then also Odyssey, I find that pretty user-friendly. and I now post on Rumble. Then one of my viewers set pod being up for me because I'm a social worker. I'm not a ticky guy. A lot of this, I can't be asked.

It just can't be asked. I just want to record the interview and upload it, but I can do the thumbnails and all that business, right? And I fall behind, right? So I can connect you with somebody at three speak. We can speak afterwards about that. There's something else that I want to say. I don't think Kirstama is going to last.

He's not going to last. and why he's not going to why I say that is because he's talentless he's a midget there are people like Nigel Farage and George Galloway and even you know people like even Tony Blair they had some political acumen George Gailway Nigel Farage definitely do Margaret Thatcher Arthur Scargill you know they were political heavyweights they knew how to play the game Stama, it really is a puppet. He reads a speech and he's looking at every two seconds he's looking at it. Farage and Galloway and Thatcher, they can speak from the heart

because they believe in what they're saying and they can have people come around them. People aren't going to come around Stama. They're only operating because they're afraid or because they're paid to do so. But how long can you have people's loyalty like that when the police are going to be enforcing the very same restrictions that their family and friends are going to be. be suffering from.

Longer than you think. That's the only thing I would say that. But Stama doesn't have any political acumen and he has no support. There's no support. Things are going to get really, really rocky in the UK and I think Stama's going to go. Now, when an abuser goes, what often happens is that the victim, the abused person, ends up with another abuser. It's one of things I deal with as a social worker But at some point

The abused person wakes up Says no No, you are the same as the other one Not having you either And I think more and more people are going to be waking up to that More and more people are going to be waking up to that And then what there is for us to do Given what's going on in the world

And why I think is going to come to Canada Because you've been importing people as well It's going to come to it they've been doing it in Europe, they've been doing it in Australia, they've been doing it in the United States, is we've got to come together because the people that arrive, it doesn't serve them either. It just doesn't serve them.

Go hold, be with your families, build your country. Don't fight people here. And the money's running out. The money's running out. I've enjoyed this, sir. This will not be, if I, you never know what a guest is. is going to do when you get and bring them on but i promise this won't be the only chat we have i don't know when the next chat we'll have is but i i promise this won't be the only time you

you hop on this crypto rich thank you for hopping on and doing this well uh thank you so much thank you for um giving me the opportunity and for surprising me that i said all the stuff that i said because it's not what i normally talk about really really appreciate it shum where where um before i let you off where can people find you if if they've enjoyed the chat. It's bit. Dot Lee, which is BIT dot L.Y

slash Crypto Rich Odyssey, Crypto Rich 3Speak, Crypto Rich Podbean, Crypto Rich Rumble. And then of course

my Twitter, which is at Crypto Rich. YT. I got a telegram group where there's no discussion because I can't be asked to moderate it.

But I post my stuff on there. Thank you. again, sir, for doing this. And, well, we shouldn't wait it so long. That's on me. But hey, it happened at the perfect time, I would say. Thank you, sir. Thank you.