Shaun Newman Podcast - #694 - James Lindsay

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

He is an American author, who has his Ph.D. in mathematics, is a cultural critic and hosts the New Discourses podcast. He has made appearances on the Joe Rogan Experience and the Jordan Peterson Podcast. We discuss the Fabian Society, the Trudueas, saying the conspiracy out loud and the power of humour.  Clothing Link:⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links:Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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what the future uh continues to do so That all being said, let's get on to the tale of the tape. He's an American author with his PhD in mathematics, and he hosts the new Discourses podcast. I'm talking about James Lindsay. So buckle up, here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by James Lindsay, Dr. James Lindsay.

Hey, sir, thanks for hopping on. Yeah, hey, it's good to see you again in person not that long ago, so it's nice. Yeah, well, for the listener who doesn't know or maybe forgot, or couldn't make it. You did a tour of Alberta. Just before I left on holidays, actually. We were in Cold Lake at Leighton Gray's House, and then afterwards, obviously speaking, in Coal Lake,

or Bonneville, I should say. And that was put together by a common friend, a couple of common friends, actually. David Parker, Drew Weatherhead. There's a few others there that are acquaintances. But either way, it was great to get to meet you again in person. The first time you were at Alberta, I got to meet you there as well, but you look like, no offense to you,

you look like you've been run over by a train. You've been, by my account, you were on like the 200 and some flight. Your speech was great, but afterwards, I'm like, I think you've met like 700 people tonight. You probably don't want to meet one more. So Cold Lake, yeah, it was great to finally get to sit and have a conversation. And, you know, as I keep saying about when you see somebody like yourself and in person, you're a true professional when it comes to your speeches.

Like, I really enjoy the outline and how you build rapport with the audience and a little bit of humor in such a, I don't know, dark subject, crazy world. Put whatever you want behind that, James. Yeah, well, you know, I've actually kind of learned something, which is when, you know, first of all, just when dealing with a dark subject, you've got to add in a little bit of that light, a little bit of that humor, a little bit of that levity. And there's a lot of jokes to be made, honestly. The stuff that we're facing is very evil and it's very challenging and it's oppressive, but it's also ridiculous. So some of it's true. I mean, there's a lot of material for jokes. I mean, look at the Babylon B for example.

You know, the Babylon B, you know, they frequently say, but I was just talking to Seth Dillon the other day. And they frequently say it's harder and harder to make jokes because, you know, the jokes are getting away from them. They're just living out their jokes ahead of time. Look at the Australian breakdancer, for example, right? and they're living out their jokes. But on the other hand, the fact is, is there's ever more and more and more material.

It's, you know, the jokes that they're writing are getting funnier and funnier as it goes. So it kind of cuts both ways. But the other thing that I've learned over this is that, you know, the left will come on the attack for you and their goal is to get you back on your heels.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to, I did the Canadian sorry for you guys. I didn't mean to offend. I didn't want to hurt anybody's feelings. It wasn't, I'm not, I'm not a racist. I have a black friend. You know, the whole like little two-step shuffle, they make you do the cha-cha.

They embarrass the shame-based chacha they make you do. And the fact is that if you just kind of lean into whatever they attack you with and make it funny, then it works. I mean, there's a huge scandal right now on Twitter. I'm watching this where the congressman or congresswoman, I should say, from Florida, Anna Polina Luna, was formerly a swimsuit model. So back in the 2016 election, when she was. not in Congress. She modeled a Make America Great Again swimsuit and did like, you know, a sexy swimsuit photo shoot in video. She's a beautiful woman. She's hot. Yeah, she's super hot. And everybody knows it. It's like we don't have to lie about it. It's like super obvious. She's also a fierce

patriot and a true warrior and an excellent Congresswoman. So the left dug up this video trying to shame her and say this is what Magga is all about and it's all trashy and she's trashed and she shouldn't be in Congress. And so she just leaned into it and shared the video herself. and if you can lean into it and make it a little bit funny at the same time, you actually take away all their power and flip the thing over on its head. It's just sometimes difficult to do that. But when you can, it works. So, yeah, if we can lead with a little bit of humor,

I think it makes a huge difference in our morale. It makes a huge difference in our approach and actually straight up and in our effectiveness. Yeah, public shaming a woman for being beautiful and wearing a bikini. Well, not a bikini. Sorry, a one piece, but, you know, like pretty revealing. but I saw it. So this is where we're at in 2024. We're going to publicly shame a woman who is beautiful.

That's what we're going to do. Right. So if you just kind of reply as like, you know, a 1990s beer commercial dude and make it kind of funny, like, hell yeah, I'd vote for, you know. It takes all the steam out of their attack and it kind of flips everything back over. And you can actually have some fun with it, you know. You don't have to get all crude or gross or whatever. But if you're sitting there like, oh, my gosh, I'm in a,

mistake, you lose. But if you can turn it around and lean into it and make it funny, you win. And that's literally kind of the game. And I know Canadians are good at this. My dad raised me on Second City TV. So SCTV sketch comedy, Canadian sketch comedy was my childhood because my dad thought it was the funniest stuff on earth. So I know Canadians are good at this. So no excuses, Canadians. You've got this. Well, one of the things about now is, you know, I know comedy, like standing in front of a stage and getting people to laugh is like a, I'm not saying that's easy. I've listened to enough Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle talk about it specifically where I'm like I know that's not easy But if there was ever time to be a comedian I feel like now would be we should be hitting home run after home run

Because the stuff almost writes itself right like I mean there's just so much out there where you could just you could pretty much laugh at yourself as you're saying You know what's going on and it it should get some laughs because it is Literally insane where we're at except you know it's almost like that can't happen and then it continues to happen, you know. No, well, let me break in real quick and tell you, you just said the magic words. You said the magic words, which are also, if it's right in with a Canadian, you know, kind of ethos, which is laugh at yourself, right?

The way you, like, so people who've kind of dipped into woke and, you know, maybe they have some doubts about it, the best way out for them is if they can laugh their way out of the beliefs that they had, their silly beliefs and the, you know, kind of awful behaviors that engaged in. Shame can spur somebody to want to change, but humor will actually lead them out and bring them out in a positive, you know, high morale situation. And I say this all the time and, you know, people get mad at me, but I honestly think that what broke down racism in both of our countries, but especially the United States, so effectively in the 70s, but especially the 80s and the 90s, where the comedians making fun of, you know, racial attitudes in the

the very stark terms, but in very funny ways. And it allows you to laugh off. You know, oh yeah, maybe I did feel that way. Oh, you know, as opposed to, you know, going and getting your, your sack cloth and your whip and beating yourself, I'm a bad person. I said, I thought racist things when I was younger. You know, if you can laugh and like, yeah, that was pretty bad, you know, that was like pretty stupid, but it's funny, you know, then you can actually grow in a healthy way. So, again, I've been a huge fan of humor. We could spend the entire time we talked today talking about the uses of humor, but I don't think that's our purpose. One of the things I wanted to ask you about, you know, like you can give the update, but one of the things that, you know, when I, when I, when I ran into you was how many different speaking engagements you're doing right now.

And I always am curious, you know, for a guy who's seeing so much countryside, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. kind of that, you know, what's the news from the outer world? But I'm kind of curious your thoughts on when you came to Canada and what you saw in Alberta, you know, the positives and negatives, because I am, you know, like I just came back from a hiatus of 46 days of being on holidays with my three young kids and my wife. And we went, my wife's from Minnesota. So we did this big loop of part of the states back up to Minneapolis and then now we're back home. And, you know, being out of Canada and stepping across this invisible barrier, I was saying yesterday, it's almost like, all right,

it's time to get back to work, right? Because I know I'm walking back into some landmines and some things going on that aren't great in our country. And I'm like, I wonder what James thought when he got on the plane and landed and then started to talk to different Canadians, specifically Alberta. Yeah, well, it turns out that I have a very biased sample of Albertans that I get to meet, and Canadians that I get to meet.

So I haven't had to talk. had too much of the Canadian trouble. And I, of course, the first time I came up to Alberta, you know, they made sure to get my venues canceled. They made sure to get the ticket sales canceled and all of that. We had some trouble, but I didn't run into any trouble on the ground. And so I have this enormously fictional, positive view of Alberta that it's like one of my favorite places on earth, it turns out, because it's like, for me, it's like Texas, but with like a Canadian politeness. I was just in Texas and it's definitely not as, you know, I don't know, homie and welcoming.

Texas is great. Don't get me wrong, but Alberta is something else, right? And so I have this really positive feeling because I have this, you know, very select audience up there that interacts with me. Like you said, I met probably at that speech 700 people.

And then the night after I met like 1,100 people or something like that or a night before. Between the two, I met like almost 2,000 Albertans shook hands and or took pictures with. I didn't do this the second time with the second. tours too exhausting. Like you said, it looked like I hit by a train. But all the Canadians that I've met in Alberta are fantastic. I mean, I'm sure that I could go get yelled at at a restaurant somewhere if people recognized me. But it's all been really fantastic. It's not like going to, I went to Toronto.

And that was like, this is different, right? This is a lot different. And I just, well, I haven't been to BC yet. I haven't been to the Vancouver area because it can't get it together to get me there. because the locals hate me. And so, you know, there is this feeling that there is the invisible barrier of the border. I mean, it's not invisible. They took like a giant machine and cut down all those trees across the entire border. So it's a big, you know, literal line on it. And you fly over it in the daytime.

You can see it. But there is this invisible barrier where the culture kind of shifts. And it's much less totalitarian here. They're trying. But our constitution has still protected us and our courts. are still mostly but not completely protecting us. And our population, I think, is waking up at a similar rate to the, or maybe a little faster.

Our national population is waking up similarly to how Albertans specifically are waking up, but the rest of Canada seems not to be. We can give some credit to Manitoba and Saskatchewan. I think they're doing a little better too, well, at least Saskatchewan. I don't know a lot. They haven't invited me, and I don't know if there's any towns there to go to anyway. That's a joke about the middle of Canada, by the way. But no, I actually am pretty positive, but I won't lie.

There's in the back of my head, like, am I going to get grabbed at immigration and told you can't come into Canada because you're an international troublemaker? I said things on stage in this parental rights tour across Alberta at the end of June. I said things on stage that are actually technically hate crimes according to Canadian law. And in the back of my head is, am I going to get arrested tonight? I'm going to leave this venue and find myself in a police station. Turns out they arrested Tommy Robinson instead of me literally at the same time. They arrested him on a day that the last day I was in Alberta. And they arrested him in Alberta.

So, you know, not that far. I think in Calgary even. Calgary. I mean, like down the street from where I was. And so it's like, you know, that was in the back of my head. Extending that, I know you're asking about the Canadian context, but like I don't know if I should go to the UK now, right? They're threatening to extradite and arrest Americans who are inflaming.

tensions. And so can I go to the UK safely now? I don't know. That's even scarier. So, you know, I feel positively about Canada, but I have a selection bias of absolutely great Albertans that I get to meet and spend time with. They always take, you guys take such good care of me. I know part of that's David Parker, but a lot of it's all the rest of you guys too. And so, unfortunately, I have this super biased view that we can definitely save Canada because Alberta gives me that inspiration. Maybe we can, maybe we can't, but I'm very hopeful, and that's down to the salt of the earth, Albertans that I've met more than anything.

It certainly wasn't the vibe in Toronto. You know, you bring up Tommy Robinson and, well, now the UK, and you see all these different things with the censorship and the extradition and on and on and on. And, you know, I just finished reading A&Rand, I finished out. Atlas shrugged at the start of the tour, and then I just literally finished Fountainhead yesterday. And she's a wonderful lady to talk about just how this ideology captures society. And it made me think, I'm like, oh, I got James coming on, right? I'm like, pretty sure he can explain to Albertans, to Canadians who are listening,

heck to some Americans who are listening. You know, you stare at that and you go, like, how did we get here? And, you know, not that you need to regurgitate your entire speech or talks that you give, but James, how the heck are we getting here? Well, it turns out that a lot of people misunderstand communism. They don't understand what Marxism is. And I've kind of made it my life's mission, I guess, in the last couple or a few years, to try to pull back the curtain and drop the scales from people's eyes about what we're dealing with.

They think it's an economic system and a political system, sometimes a political economy, if they want to use the fancy words. And they're wrong. It's not. It's a fanatical religion that is bent on taking over everybody in the world. And it's objective. And this is a little complicated. So I'll say it incorrectly first, and I'll nuance it in a moment.

But their objective is to transform mankind into the kind of being that can support a communist utopia. And that's certainly just not going to happen. And it's the reason that I say that it's so important to understand this is because the fundamental axiom, the beginning place of Marxism or communism is aside from the, well, the beginning place is that man has to be transformed in order to make it work. And that means all of man. You can't have a Canada that's free or an Alberta that's free because then that shows everybody that maybe there's a different way of life that might pollute their thinking and lead them to want to be free. free too. So everybody who's still alive on the planet has to become not just a communist, but a fervent, accurately believing liturgical communist in the Marxist faith in order to so-called make it work. Now, to nuance this makes the axiom a little bit more important.

The nuance is that the goal isn't of Marxism, if you read Marx, his goal is not to transform man into something new. Is the Soviet new man or whatever? The goal is actually to transform man into what he actually is. Man is already a communist, but he doesn't know it. Just like the queer theorists today say, man is already, everybody is already queer. You just don't know it. Society straightened you out. Well, the older view was that society turned you into a capitalist. It made you believe that the capitalist system is the way to go. And so you are intrinsically in your actual being a socialist and you don't know it. That's why they talk about the estrangement of private property. Man is estranged from himself through private property in individualism. The bosses, a strange man from one another and from their true nature and from their work and from the fruits of their labors.

And that's the labor theory of value. And so this idea of the alien class, the bourgeois class, estranging people from their true nature, which is socialist, is actually the core belief of Marxism or of communism. Man is actually a socialist, and we have been driven to forget this by an evil force, and that evil force must be driven out of the world everywhere. So when you understand that that is actually the correct understanding, it's not to transform man into something new, but to bring him home to what he actually already is. You can understand a lot more about how we got here. They believe that anywhere there's a person who believes in capitalism,

they're not just acting in an evil way. they have been robbed of their fundamental humanity. So they have to go liberate those people from that oppression, the oppression of capitalism, of believing in capitalism. You're oppressing yourself. Mark's called private property, human self-estrangement. We estrange ourselves from our true social and human nature, he said, by believing in and owning and supporting private property.

And so they think that they are fixing the world. And so everybody has to become this. So they have this entitlement complex. They're the ones who understand what being human really means. You poor people are either under a false consciousness and don't understand, or you're a bad, evil person who can't understand. So you have to be either reeducated or eliminated. And that has to be a global phenomenon.

So when they weren't able to take over Western nations in 1968 with their attempted revolutions, the critical theory revolutions across the United States, the May 1968 riots in Paris, of course, you guys had a soft coup in. 1968 with the election of Pierre Trudeau, so-called Trudeau mania, when they weren't able to take over the West by force or by some kind of a spontaneous-ish revolution in the late 1960s, they started to infiltrate. And Pierre Trudeau was kind of on the cutting edge of that, working deals with the Club of Rome before it even got off the ground, making sure Canada would be its first major national backer arranging your Department of the Environment around

the Club of Rome's initiatives and vision for the world. From very early on, four of his cabinet members were also Club of Rome executives. Tight deals from the beginning. But the goal was to, as Klaus Schwab phrases it now, to penetrate the cabinets. And of course, people know that he's talking about people like Chrysia Freeland, who is one of his puppets, who has penetrated the cabinets. They have been working their way in, depending on where, for over a century in England in the 1880s.

in 1884, specifically, the Fabian Society was formed, the Fabian Socialist Society, which was an offshoot of this thing called something like the Fellowship for New Life, which was this total religious cult that was going to make new man and have like a global commune, which sounds an awful lot like communism, but in this kind of softer hippie-dippy way. So the Fabian socialists had this idea of incrementally infiltrating power centers of corporations and government. So they set up the Labor Party. They set up the London School of Economics. It's just a socialist project in order to give educational credentials and government access to their people. And they slowly infiltrated all across the Commonwealth. I think it's not true. It's either every or nearly

every prime minister of Australia has been a Fabian. And so they'd let in more and more in Marxism. but the saying of the Fabians, their motto, first of all, their crest, everybody watching should go to their search engine and look up Fabian Society coat of arms. Just look it up. And what you're going to see is that it's a shield with a wolf in sheep's clothing on it.

And if you look up their motto, it shows it's an image of a turtle. And so a very slow-moving thing. And it's got its little paw raised. And it says, when I strike, I strike hard. See, right there. Wolf and Sheep's clothing is literally their coat of arms. And so when I strike, I strike hard is the saying.

And so what they've done is slowly, quietly infiltrate like in the UK, like in Canada. And then when they felt like they had the grip on power in Canada, when the Great Reset began, and with Trudeau at the helm and Freeland as his deputy, and in the UK, when they just had this massive labor victory and Kirstarmer became the Prime Minister, they struck hard. And so Britain went basically overnight from having issues to almost being a totalitarian state because they had to grab and consolidate power, just like Lenin said, as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, in Canada, it's been softer and slower. It's been, I guess, more Canadian in a lot of ways. In Australia, it's been softer and slower.

But look what the Canadian press is doing. They just put up, well, this woman, Rachel Gunn, put herself in the Olympics for breakdancing. that's a funny story how that actually happened. So she puts herself in the Olympics, does such a bad breakdancing routine, not only that she got zero points, but that breakdancing will not be a sport in the Olympics going forward, completely bombed the whole thing.

And the Australian press is coming out and saying, well, it's sexism, the judges were biased, the judges don't like, you know, queer women or whatever, and this whole, like, litany of woke nonsense. And they're totally behind her. And I heard from an Australian friend of mine today that she heard on the radio that it's likely that she'll have multi-million dollar sponsorships now as a result of her stunning and brave 0.0 score performance that she gave in the Olympics and her kvetching. And so this has crept into these Commonwealth societies in a tremendous way for a century, really, but especially the last 50 years. And now they think they've got it.

So it seems like it's come out of the woodwork all at once, but it hasn't. Justin Trudeau is just continuing what Pierre Trudeau started in these revolutions of the 60s, but in a smileier, kindlier-looking way. So that's how we got here. We've left open the back door, and they came in through the back door, through every means that they could. Then when they got enough people, everything went crazy. If I can, can we go back to the soft coup?

You were talking Canada. Anytime you bring up Canada, I'm really fascinated. And to the listener, I'm thinking of Matt Erritt right now and him talking about the Fabian Society, because that's not the first time. I've heard that referenced and everything along with it. Even the coat of arms, you know, I've stared at that and been like, can it be that bold

that it's just sitting there looking us straight in the face? And you said, you know, the soft coup of Trudeaumania. And, you know, I'm a relatively young guy. You know, some younger than me are going to say I'm old and some older me are going to say I'm young. You know, I'm not quite 40. So, you know, Trudeau mania, I don't even, you know, like I have to go back to my elders and hear the stories of Trudeau Mania and go watch some videos and be like, wow, like this is, this is pretty crazy. I've heard some different stories of people that were around during that time and how people, part of the Liberal Party thought, you know, he was kind of like the second coming of Christ. I'm being a little tongue in cheek.

But that was, it was kind of unnerving to how they believed. everything they held on every word he said and on and on and on and on and then I went and watched Trudeau mania and, you know, went down a couple paths of his, his then wife and on and on and on it went. When you're talking soft coup of Trudeaumania, I'm just curious, you know, you mentioned Canada being the first national backer of the club of Rome and different things of that nature. I'm just wondering if you can expand on it, James, or if it's in your wheelhouse to do such thing. I have a limited amount of information. Obviously, being American, you know, I've never had any occasion whatsoever or any interest to pay attention to the Canadian politics,

especially not in the 60s. That's, you know, just something I wouldn't have paid attention to. But recently somebody, it wasn't even a Canadian, sent me a paper about Trudeau, Pierre Trudeau, and his relationship with the Club of Rome. And I read the paper, or the majority of the paper, as a podcast to put out for my Canadian friends, which was extremely popular. Many of my Albertans that I met have sent me a lot of thanks for exposing this. And so I basically gave you the spiel. You know, for some reason or another that I cannot expand upon that I don't understand. There was a mania around Pierre Trudeau when he ran for office in 1968.

Like I said, the left was on the ascendant in 1968. It was their kind of high watermark of the 20th century in the West. And so I'm sure that it had something to do with broader cultural currents that were happening across all Western nations. I mentioned the same phenomenon was happening in Paris. And Michelle Foucault, the postmodern theorist, was famously out there in his fancy velvet suit with his feet throwing style, throwing rocks at whatever, you know, government building. And then dusting off the concrete to make sure he didn't get his suit. So this was a thing that was happening across the West. Certainly the United States was rocked by a number of critical theory-driven riots in 1968 as well,

which didn't get very far and caused enough of a backlash to put a clamp on it. But somehow this was a high watermark for the left in 68. And I'm not terribly well-versed on the cultural current. You wonder, like, does it give you a little bit of peace in mind knowing that, well, A, this has been the works for a very long time. But two, it's almost, is it cyclical in your mind or it's not cyclical? This has been a long plan drawn out for a very long time. No, it's, I think it's actually a little bit cyclical. I think that they come up with the new thing they think they're going to bust society with and they try it and then it fails. And then it takes them, you know, 30 years to regroup

of the new thing that's going to trick society. And that's probably what was the, the mania of the 60s. In the mania of the 60s, you had four, if you were a leftist, you finally have, you finally have, a cultural revolution happening in China, and you have a communist revolution in Cuba, which had just happened, and then you had Che Guevara running around in Central America. And the reason I bring up Mao, Castro, and Che as examples here are because when you read any of the 60s socialists, those are the examples they give. They're like, it's finally working. We're finally getting somewhere. The people's revolution, the cultural revolution, and China is a transformative event.

This is the way. So I think they got excited and just took off. And then again, they hold up Castro as an example of a very successful. I mean, no Trudeau jokes during talking about Castro. It's strictly verboten. We don't do that. We don't talk about Trudeau while we talk about Castro. Nobody would ever do that.

They don't look alike at all. It's not at all strange. That's a conspiracy theory. We didn't even bring it up. Father. We didn't even talk about it, right? But Castro's thing was working, right? Now, actually, we do have to talk about that because it's not even a secret.

They might try to hide, you know, Justin Trudeau's actual parentage or assign it to Pierre or whatever. But it's not a secret that the Trudeau's in the 60s were going to Cuba and working with the Castro. That's actually not even a secret. They just say, oh, it was later. It was later than when Justin was born. It wouldn't have worked out. The first official meeting was later than his ostensible conception. The first official meeting was.

So the point, though, is that there was traffic. There was communication between Pierre Trudeau directly and Cuba, which was being held up as like the model for the next socialism. Look how great it's doing now, right? Which is, of course, all America's fault because we embargoed their communist ass because they would have put nuclear missiles on the island if we didn't. And so, yeah, this. This trafficking was high, but for whatever reason, the founders of the Club of Rome, and this is what that paper is about that I was sent, that I did a podcast about, the founders of the Club of Rome. The Club of Rome is the, we're going to run out of resources, so we have to

limit growth and contract our economies and contract our population to stave off a population collapse, a population bomb, as Paul Erlich called it later. These people were getting started in the 60s. They officially launched in 1971 or two. I'd have to double check the date two, I think. They officially launched in 1972. But in 1967 and eight, they were meeting, they were looking for world leaders to meet with. And they were having extensive meetings with Pierre Trudeau.

And that's what this paper is actually about. The funny thing is this paper that I read is written by a Canadian leftist who thinks that Trudeau started going well because he was really pushing the club of Rome line. and then it was very unpopular, especially with Albertans. So he backed off in his second term. He softened his position. He fired a lot of the people from the first term. And so he actually, you know, folded.

And he should have just, the paper says he should have just kept driving it harder. He should have really pushed the environmental control mechanisms far harder than he did. But the paper is all about the networking that he built with the Club of Rome and his environmentalist policy that he derived from. working with them. And so Canada, frankly, honestly, got the Club of Rome off the ground. They had financial backing, but no real access to political power, except that Pierre Trudeau made that happen. I speculate that his newly transformed labor, or sorry, you call it the Liberal Party. His newly transformed Liberal Party in the wake of Trudeau Mania transformed itself to be much more in line with those policies and has held on to that kind of view ever

since. And I would strongly suspect his ostensible son, who's definitely not a Castro, would be copying those. I love that Canadians smile and laugh every single time. It's, it never stops. It's 100% accurate. You can't even miss with that joke. Yeah, maybe he's a Castro. Ha, ha, ha, ha, the Canadians lose it every time. But I would assume that he's continuing, the vision of his father here. I mean, it's not always the case that the son follow, yes, his father, his dad. It's not always the case that the son follows from his father's legacy. Sometimes they rebel, sometimes they go different directions, but it sometimes is the case that they do. And we're, of course, we're dealing with that right now, right? So in the United States,

we have Kamala Harris, whose father was a Marxist professor running for president. We have, we don't have to get into Tim Walts, speaking of Minnesota, going to Minnesota and, you know, living in Tiananmen Square or living in China during Tiananmen Square and then going back to honeymoon during the anniversary. It's Tiananmen Square massacre. I call him Tiananmen Tim after a friend of mine came up with that on Twitter. But we also have Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, whose father translated the cultural Marxist Antonio Gramsci into English for the first time at Notre Dame.

And these are people in our high office. We have the exact same kinds of problems. And so is Kamala Harris continuing the legacy of her Marxist father? I think she's not ignorant to what she's doing. Is Justin Trudeau following in the footsteps of Trudeau mania from his, we'll call him stepdad or maybe dad, I don't know, probably. But the Liberal Party certainly transformed around that. And I think that this paper, which again, it's hilarious because it's written from a leftist perspective that was like, they shouldn't have given up on it, even though Pierre Trudeau probably wouldn't have won his second term. if he would have kept hardlining on it.

And then what's the name of the very popular prime minister that replaced Trudeau in the late 70s or in 80? Mulroney? No. There's another one that's very, very popular, and he's like our guy. No, I'm looking that up. No, now you're...

He apparently walked back a lot of these environmental things or put a... John Turner? No. Brian Mulroonie's from 84 to 93. Yeah, that's not going to do it either. It's another guy. Jean Cretchen or Paul Martin, Stephen Harper. Harper.

Harper's 2006, 2015. Oh, I was way off from when he was. But, yeah, this paper complains about Harper actually walking back a lot of this. So, again, I told you just American May I call, but I don't know. No, no, no. You called me on my prime ministers. I'm like, I think it's, I think it's these ones. Hey, it was a nice test on myself, and I wasn't that far off on.

George W. Bush. Well, it's interesting, you know, like, when you start bringing up, when you, as soon as you said Fabian society, I'm like, oh, man, you know, when you hear it the first time, you're like, what is that? And then you go look into it. And then the more longer you look into it, like, this can't, you know, can't be that so, like readily available to the public to see exactly what's going on? And you have the, you know, somewhere in there, you mentioned, you know, they created a, they created an institution. so then they could get the credentials to be in government and have like, I'm a lawyer or I'm a whatever the title is, so that they can be on this even playing field of other people

so that they can get their ideas to penetrate different things. And that takes, you know, once again, on this long, as twos would call it, the walkabout folks of family vacation. I've thought a lot about, like, you know, for so much of my life, James, I thought day by day, heck week by week, maybe month by month, you know, like, and then you start doing the podcast. It's been over five and a half years. It's been, you know, today's episode will be 790 something.

And, you know, you tack on all the other ones. It's over 800 podcasts. And you start to see that some of the forces you're against think in the terms of decades, centuries, et cetera. And these, these ideas keep regurgitating or cycling or trying to penetrate. the larger society. So for them to have figured out, if we get an institution,

then we can put them here and on and on and on, is a very strategic thing they've done. Yeah, that's right. It makes it very difficult to just pull the plug and be like, well, no more and it's all done. Right. Well, to the, where you say, you know,

can they be this bold? H.G. Wells was a Fabian. A lot of people maybe don't know that. Some people say that he was just on board with it and was bragging and showing off, and other people say maybe he defamation. affected and was giving away what their plans were, but H.G. Wells wrote a book called The Open Conspiracy. And the general idea is that if a conspiracy is out in the open,

people won't believe it's a conspiracy. They won't believe it's happening. They wouldn't tell us if that's what they were really doing. That's part of the psychology, right? And so you can go read H.G. Wells, the open conspiracy. I recommend you also go read H.G. Wells, the shape of things to come. See if it doesn't look an awful lot like what's happening. And what you'll find, is that, in fact, they were kind of telling us. So the Fabians, you know, what are the Fabians? Let's just make this really easy for people because, you know, they're likely to be new to the concept and it sounds all complicated.

I told you they were founded in 1884. I just want to hammer that date, 1884. And you said they think in terms of centuries, right? So 1884 plus one century equals 1984, right? And so they tried to recruit this guy named Eric Blair an awful lot. his pen name was George Orwell. George Orwell did not like the Fabians. He thought they were nasty.

He thought they were violent. He thought they were brutal. And in fact, in this sickly, kindly way, if you haven't ever looked up some of the videos of George Bernard Shaw, I encourage you to look up George Bernard Shaw. I encourage you to go to YouTube and type in the following. George Bernard Shaw, there are an extraordinary number of people whom I'd like to kill. And just watch George Bernard Shaw talk about what he believes.

And especially in Canada with your maid program, you really should hear that. And so it turns out that George Orwell wrote a warning to the world about what would happen if a Fabian society founded in 1884 gained the power of Stalin over the course of a century ending in 1984. And he called the Fabians by the code name in the novel Ingsock, I-N-G-S-O-C, Ingsoc. That's the bad guy in 1984. I don't know if bad guy is even the right word. That's the totalitarian government, right? And that's an abbreviation for English socialism. And English socialism was spearheaded by the Fabian society.

So 1984 was George Orwell's warning to the world about what would happen if Fabian infiltration were able to continue until they finally got to the point where they could consolidate power tantamount to what Stalin held. Now, you got to remember that when he was writing this, he published it in 1948. Stalin was at the height of his tyrannical power in Soviet Union and was well known to all of these characters. In fact, H.G. Wells and some of the other Fabians went in and had these debates with early on with Lenin, maybe less with Stalin, about methods. It was all to get communism, but they were going to use different methods. The English were going to use an English method, which is very suitable to Canadians, I think. Very polite, very kind. Again, I encourage you.

I don't know if you can load it up. We should watch that if you found it, that George Bernard Shaw video will drop jaws what he actually says. And this is actually the thing that I think the Commonwealth, it's happened in the U.S. too. But this is the thing that the Commonwealth has been facing. And one of the main projects the Fabians believed in was infiltrating both sides of the government or all the sides of the government. So you would have conservative Fabians who were going to act and look and say conservative things, but their goal was to keep the main institutions that move the revolution in place. And then you'd have left-leaning Fabians who were pushing for those crazy changes and they call them reforms or whatever,

but these crazy transformations of society and institutions to facilitate them. So the conservatives become what we call here in the states, rhinos, who are fake conservatives, who say all the right things but never seem to do anything about it. And they had the goal of penetrating and infiltrating, not just their own homegrown labor party, but also in the UK to infiltrate the Tories and make sure that the Tory conservatives were going to be ineffective at defending against their advances. Yeah, this is a fantastic little clip here. Let's watch this.

Oh, goodness gracious. But let's start with how he just said. He doesn't believe in punishment whatsoever. He doesn't want to punish anybody. He wants everything to be nice, everything to be soft, everything to be safe. So he starts with, I don't believe in, I don't want to punish anybody. Everything's going to be very comfortable and nice, right? you're going to die by gas chamber in a very quiet, soft way.

But carry on. To all punishment whatsoever. I don't want to punish anybody. But there are an extraordinary number of people whom I want to kill. Not in any unkind or personal spirit. But it must be evident to all of you. You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world. Who are more trouble than they are worth?

And I think it would be a good thing to make everybody come before a properly appointed board, just as he might come before the income tax commissioners, and say every five years or every seven years, just put him there and say, sir or madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can't justify your existence, if you're not pulling your weight in the social boat, If you're not producing as much as you consume, or perhaps a little more, then clearly we cannot use the big organization of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive because your life does not benefit us,

and it can't be very much used to you. Hey, look at your maid program. Isn't that cool? Okay. I wonder where they got that idea. You just, you just, man, timing, okay? I was sitting in the vehicle riding with my wife. I mentioned that I just finished reading Fountainhead by Ayn Rand, and one of the things from Atlas Shrug to A&R, to Fountainhead to 1984 to Brave New,

New, not Brave New World, to Aldous Huxley. I'm forgetting. Is it Brave New World? Yeah, Brave New World is Aldous Huxley. Who's the brother of Julian Huxley who founded, was at the founding of the United Nations. Okay. So I'm glad James is on, because you can, You just put a puzzle piece.

What I said to her was. I'm right in there, and she goes, oh, where did you think of your book? And I'm like, well, it was really good. But what I'm really struggling with is what is going on in this time frame that you get 1984 comes out. You get Atlas Shrugged. Now, that comes out a little later. But regardless, you get all these different things coming out.

And I'm like, they're talking about society. And it's not how we're seeing it. but it's not not how we're seeing it like it's very very similar and like now what i have to do is i got to go through these these these authors and i got to figure out what shaped their opinions to get them to write books that resemble our time so so closely and you just you just i you know i didn't know that about george orwell i you know it's it's funny aldous huxley's not different he was also associated with the fabians and so there's arguments that aldous huxley was just putting out, you know, this is what's happening. Like H.G. Wells writing the shape of things to come was just

bragging. Like, this is how it's supposed to go. It's like Carol Quigley, who was a bookkeeper, I think, or something like that for the Council for Foreign Relations, which is the American sister institution to the Chatham House in London, which is also a sister institute to the Asia Society that is CCP tied. And arguably the Chatham House, CFR Asia Society triangle is. really the they that kind of pull the strings of the world. Who are they? Well, they are they. And it turns out that,

that, where's I going on with him? With the CFR. I got excited about my Asia Society. I was just bringing up that I need to look into these authors because- Well, this is the thing is like they are actually the people, oh, Carol Quigley. Carol Quigley was like a bookkeeper for them and publishes these books that if you read them now, you're like, holy crap, that's the conspiracy.

This guy exposed it all. He was one of them. And he was like, no, what we're doing is so amazing. I just have to tell everybody. You have to tell everybody. And so you can read him. He's not on the good guy side. He's one of the bad guys.

And he is just exposing like the whole thing because he thinks it's so brilliant and so genius that everybody needs to know how a conspiracy can work. And so this is what's up. And so a lot of people might actually be confused. Why are you bringing up this Irish playwright educated at Oxford? George Bernard Shaw, you know, my fair lady. Like what the heck, right? George Bernard Shaw was a founding member of the Fabian Society.

He was at the roots of the damn thing. And it was really his vision. You should also, at some point, it's not maybe for this podcast, but look up his views on Hitler. He's like, Adolf Hitler is a fine man. I love Adolf Hitler. The people of England shouldn't worry about him at all. He's motivating his people to do the right thing. And he just should.

At one point, he said that where Hitler went wrong was that he was killing the Jews instead of what he should have said is Jews can integrate in society. So long as no Jewish man. ever marries a Jewish woman. They all have to marry Germans. And so you're just going to breed the Jews out of Germany, was George Bernard Shaw's take on it. Of course, that means that George Bernard Shaw didn't understand the occult race ideology that Hitler had adopted, which also came from these theosophical currents from Madame Blavatsky, who was in England and founded the Theosophical Society in 1875. But that's beside the point. George Bernard Shaw was a founding member of the Fabian Society. he was leadership of the Fabian Society until he died.

My Fair Lady had the original title Pygmalion, which talks about the Pygmalion myth. Lots of people have tried to rewrite the Pygmalion myth. Janjouk Rousseau, who was inspired. Forgive me, Pygmalion myth? I'll tell you the myth in a second. So Rousseau wrote a version of the Pygmalion myth for the French, which led to the French Revolution. So Pygmalion is a Greek myth, and so Pygmalion is a sculptor. And he goes, he's also a devotee of Aphrodite.

And so he goes to the Aphrodite's temple one day, and there's prostitutes at the temple, and he flips out and becomes in modern parlance a man going his own way. He decides he hates women, women are nasty, there's prostitutes in the temple, is nothing sacred. It's all women's fault. And so he goes back, and he decides to just focus on his sculpting, and he decides at some point to sculpt the perfect woman, who's not corrupt because she's made out of marble, right? And so he sculpted and he carves away every incorrect chip,

every incorrect piece of stone until he has the perfect woman. And he starts to wish that the statue could be his wife, but unfortunately it's this piece of stone. So he goes and he propitiates Aphrodite at the temple and praise Aphrodite. And he comes home to find out that the statue has been brought to life. And so my fair lady is about taking a roughneck out of the muck and making her pretend to be a noble to see if there can be a bet one that she's actually a noble and you know trying to elevate her to high society which by the way is sort of georgia bernard shaw's life story coming from Dublin and then being made at oxford uh into a high society and you did you hear him sound irish there no he had a high society london accent within a few

uh or oxford accent i suppose within a few months or a year or so of going to oxford so he remade himself from a smart but scrubby Irishman to a high society Londoner in no time, right? So it's his own story. But the idea of the myth is that if you carve away everything that's wrong and you're mad enough about the corruption of society and you're faithful enough to the magic goddess, then your creation that you've made in your imagination and then brought to being in proxy as a statue in this case will be brought to life. rewarded. So the way that I see it is that socialism itself is the Pygmalian myth. If you approximate

by forcing people to live in a socialist way long enough, it'll suddenly become communism when it's all been all the all the bourgeois values, all the cronyism, all the capitalist belief has been carved away by relentless criticism and eventually by the force of a dictatorship of the proletariat. And you force that on people. And this is utterly consistent, not just with George Bernard Shaw and the Fabians, but it's also completely consistent with. with Lenin and Stalin drawing off of Marx and angles talking about how the communist state would arise out of the socialist state. I just last night for a podcast that's not out yet recorded Chapter 5 of Lenin's State and Revolution, which he wrote in 1917, and Chapter 5 is about how the state is meant to wither away.

That's an old Marxist saying the state, when perfected, will wither away because it's unnecessary. And he's going through how is that supposed to happen? and it happens when the absolute maximum force of the dictatorship of the proletary, it crushes all the class enemies, suppresses them completely, so that only true, fully believing transformed socialists are allowed to run anything. And then, because they run everything, you won't actually need a state anymore because you've destroyed all of your class enemies, either by changing them, transforming them, which is to say, re-educating or brainwashing them, or killing them to get them out of the way.

And that's literally the model. It's a little more bloody than the Pygmalian myth, but the idea is that if you get rid of all of the inappropriate stone and are left with the beautiful, perfect image of the uncorrupted and for Pygmalian woman and for the communist society, then the gods will propitiate you and give you your actualized society or statue woman in life. And of course, that's magical thinking.

So where we sit today then, Getting all the blemishes or the loose stones or, you know, however you want off the sculpture, that's in real sense, us too, and a whole bunch of other people who are really causing havoc on what their goal ultimately is. But on the flip side of that, maybe the positive side, because I sit and I stare at, you know, like, once again, all these different things that happened a lifetime ago were perpetuating us to this point. And where we sit now is, I think it was Brett Weinstein, who talked about, you know, one of the miscalculations they had is they pushed a whole group of people together that would have never found each other if it wasn't for the insanity that we've been enduring. And the possibility of that is something that could be more positive than we've seen maybe in the past hundred years, maybe longer.

But the real threat is, you know, like you're seeing the things happen in the UK and other places with censorship and trying to. to like clamp down as fast as they can. And so you've got the real danger of we could go one way or the other way. Am I correct in that thought process? Yeah, I think so. So the chisel that's taking off the blemished stone, it's not just us fighting back that are the blemishes and the problems in the stone. It's racism and sexism and classism and inequality and climate change and all of these

things that they have to carve away. And so the chisel is critical theory. The chisel is going to critique, as Mark said, ruthless criticism of all that exists. you're going to critique away all of the bad parts of society. This is called in the critical theory literature negative thinking. I'm going to read to you one sentence from Herbert Marcusa, which he wrote in the essay on Liberation from 1969. He said, in this sense, negative thinking is by virtue of its own internal concepts positive, oriented toward and comprehending a future which is contained in the present.

That's actually the line that made me realize being already aware of Pygmalion and the myth, that that might be what's going on. the ideal society, the communist society is somehow contained inside of our society. And what he's actually talking about through negative thinking or critical theory is that you can chip away all those aspects of society that they don't want to have. And when you get down to the perfect form, which Lenin said was going to be done by force, which the critical theorist said was going to be done by criticism, what's happening now is through this kind of nudge theory, brainwashing, sort of social credit, milieu. It's a lot of personal transformation, which is the Maoist model, kind of even turned more Western and personal. When you get rid of all of the bad aspects of society, you chip away all of the unnecessary

stone, and you've put so much loving devotion into creating your new society, well, then it will come to life. There will be a qualitative change is what Marcuse calls it. In other words, in the myth, the stone will become flesh. there'll be a qualitative change in people and in society that will make us truly socialist. The first chapter of Marcusa's essay, by the way, from 69, was the first chapter of that's titled A Biological Foundation for Socialism. And he says, we're going to transform human beings at the level of their biological, basic,

instinctual needs to need to be socialist, to have a fundamentally different way of life than capitalist society or Soviet communism can provide. Yeah, that's, that's, the, that's, the, forgive me for bringing it up over and over again. It's just so top of mind because I just finished it. But like the A&Rand books, there's this like underlying, they can't quite figure out exactly what it is,

it tries to explain it. It's kind of this mind virus of ideals of a perfect society of how people should on and on and on. And I don't know if it gets it perfectly, but when I read it, I go, man, this is exactly what's going on right now. Right. There's this, and people, if you don't, if you just walk around every day, James, and you don't talk about it, it's like, that's strange. But, yeah, whatever. It's weird. We're supposed to call it weird. Correct. It's weird. And then you, and then you carry on with your day and on and on. And then they pick these, these issues that, you know, racism is fundamentally bad. And then they try and put that to the population. And, you know, like, if you don't talk about it and try and expose it for what it is, you go, you turn, yeah, yeah, we probably do have.

privilege and we probably do have all these things and and pretty soon you got your head down and you know and and Rand does a great job of encapsulating that sentiment from like 80 years ago I'm like man alive well she came from she came from Soviet Union if I'm not mistaken right she she came from Russia is that not right um if I remember right she lived in Russian American author philosopher yeah yeah so she came she came to to the west to write down this radical individualist philosophy that called objectivism, which she told in the form of stories rather than necessarily writing philosophy. She wrote these novels expressing the philosophy in kind of vivid imagery and stories connect to people. But she, I think personally

that she went a little too far, but she, given the context that she was in, like, it makes total sense. She understood what she was up against. She was living it. And she understood that, you know, a bit of personal chauvinism, not necessarily racial chauvinism or national chauvinism, any of this, but a little bit of personal chauvinism like, no, screw you, I'm okay, you know, is actually the answer to these kind of communist power grabs or power plays that they put on you with accusing you of being the wrong kind of person or not understanding what you're talking about or whatever else. It's like, no, I have a pretty good beat on what's going on. And I'm not weird, you're weird. That's the kind of attitude that actually repels communism. And she

just embodied that. So yeah, totally. It makes sense. The thing that gives me some, I don't know, hope of where we're sitting, not only people such as yourself and a whole cast of characters that are talking openly, dissecting it, exposing it on and on and on, is I'm like, it really gives the opportunity, you know, like I keep saying something similar to this. And it's like, okay, so you see the playbook they've used,

or roughly the playbook they've used over the course of, you know, 100 plus years, maybe longer. You know, you point out 1884. And you go, okay, so here's a playbook. And it's like, well, the thing maybe, and once again, I love your thoughts on this, is, okay, so we want to get out of this. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take time.

But, you know, like when you use humor and different things like that, you can have a little bit of fun with it. And the other thing is, is that the world is full of possibilities then if you put these different cast of characters together and let them go do what they do, build things and then get involved in the institutions that are being corrupted. And all of a sudden now you might have something better than you ever imagined be formed over maybe the next 100 years, if you would. And, you know, I haven't looked too much into it. I've just seen Dr. Peterson talking about it, right, as his university is just one of the things, and I'm sure there's many, out there that you're like oh that's interesting that's going to be interesting uh of course he had his his arc idea and i'm sure there's other things and especially your self i'm sure you're privy to more than i am

of things that are happening right now with this group of characters trying to build things do things differently because you can see now you know the since the last time i talked to you and it's it feel like every time that i do get to the opportunity uh of having you on i'm like oh you're starting to understand this even better than before and when you get understanding, then you get to start to play or maybe dissect and start to put different pieces on the board that can help withstand or, I don't know, build something that they can't touch. Yeah, well, I don't know if you even know about this. And maybe we can pull it up. It's at the pin tweet on my Twitter.

So I've just actually, so just for full disclosure, I didn't tell you about this. So the point of our interview was set beforehand. This wasn't a show a movie. but I just released a movie last Friday called Beneath Sheep's Clothing. So it's been out about a week. It's at Beneath Sheep's Clothing, That Movie. And our goal was to make something artistic. People can watch rather than slogging through an interview or a public talk or a lecture

or a book for goodness sake or more articles or podcasts. I mean, we're on a podcast, so podcasts are cool. But instead of that, you know, give people an hour and a half, they can sit down and watch a piece of art and music and everything else. And so we made this movie Beneath Sheep's Clothing. And, you know, there's the trailer right there on the top of my Twitter. Well, the new trailer, the one-minute trailer. There's a variety of them.

And just for a teaser for you folks up there in the Great White North, we're probably going to work on a specialist version of it for Canada specifically, too. We're going to probably make a specific Canadian context trailer. So I don't know if you want to play it with the sound or not or the visuals or enough. No, absolutely. I can play the trailer. It's funny. On our drive, I saw you release this, and I'll play it here in two sex, because I was like, I got to watch that before I get back. And then I've been on the road driving so much. I didn't have time to watch it because I watched the trailer. I'm like, that looks interesting. So I'm glad you brought it up. Dude, I feel you because they released it right as I started this workshop on the evolution of communism. I taught over the weekend in Dallas. So on Friday, it came out, and I'm at this workshop.

It started on Friday. And so, like, I'm in the middle of doing a lecture in front of a crowd for two hours when this thing comes out. So I didn't even, like, they were like, James, you know, I'm preparing these lectures the week before. They're like, James, you got to watch the final cut. And I'm like, so I still haven't seen the final cut. So I hope it didn't change. I tell you what. Before I let you out of here, let's play the trailer.

You can. This is, I'm glad. or I'm happy that it came up and that we get to showcase something you're a part of so that people know about it. Heck, that's part of the reasons for bringing people on this show is that people can find out other things that are going on and be directed to it. As always, when you come on this side, I'm jotting down. No, it's like, oh, yeah, got to look into that, got to look into that. And you hit a perfect timing because one of the things, and I'll say it again, and then I'm going to play the trailer is, I was literally just saying yesterday on the last hour of the drive, you know, we left at 5 a.m.

with the three kids sleeping in the back. And I literally said, I got to look into these authors now because I need to understand what motivation or what world conditions push them to write these larger-than-life books now. And knowing that George Orwell was impacted by the Fabian Society, of course, you know, like it just adds, you know, I look at the world as a big giant puzzle. And I don't know how many pieces are in it,

but you just added a piece that I was just literally thinking about. It's perfect timing. And so I appreciate that. Now, let's show the trailer that way people can, you know, see what you're, and hear what you're working on. One of the most consequential lies of history is that Karl Marx put forth an economic theory or doctrine. He did not. He put forth a totalitarian religion. This was a rape of the body of Christ.

He said the ultimate objective was to destroy Christianity. Those were his words. And Chris Treff bragged about it. We'll take America without firing a shot. Hi, I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you. They were actual communists. The result you can see. We have to say woke.

There are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing all over the place. Oh, man, the laughter in the back. Isn't that crazy that laugh? Man, I tell you what, that's the... fourth time I've actually, I've tried not to watch the thing over and over again, especially because I'm in it. It's the fourth time I watch it. Every time with that laughter, I get goosebumps. It chills all over my arms and my body. Well, you know what it reminds me of? And I don't know the people who made the trailer, but it reminds me of the Joker from the Dark

Night. Like it literally, I'm like, oh, man, that's a, that's, that's, that is tough. You know, that laugh is, though. Well, I tell you what, when I was in the States and, you know, Biden stepped down and she stepped in. I saw a couple of the press conferences where she got asked, not, I don't know, not softballs. I don't know what to call it, but certainly not like these crazy tough questions. And I'm like, oh my God, the Americans have their version of Justin Trudeau. I'm watching it play out in real time and you now understand what we see in Canada when he gets asked a question that isn't off the teleprompter and you get to see him kind of fumble through it and you're like, what is going on? Kamala Harris. Like I mean, oh my God, we need to clip exactly that.

and put that all over the social media right there that we have now in front of us our version of Justin Trudeau in Kamala Harris. That's fantastic. It is so true. James Lindsay, thanks for hopping on this side. I appreciate you giving me some time this morning and I'm looking forward to watching the movie.

I'll make sure that I, well, I get that done. Now that I'm back in studio, I got plenty of time to do that. And I hope at some point you're back in Alberta. appreciate you coming up here to this land. I think, you know, I think there's a sentiment here by Albertans. We, you know, everybody's nervous of our country. And when they do things like, I don't know, hold Tommy Robinson, everyone kind of like, well, I'm not going there.

And we hope that more and more people such as yourself have the courage to come up here and see what Albertans are thinking and doing. And certainly your brain, your speeches, your way of putting things out has been very beneficial and I know a ton of people appreciate you coming on this show among other things. So thanks, sir, for hopping on and doing this. And, uh, well, hopefully we'll chat again soon. Yeah, I look forward to all that. I look forward to getting back up. You know, um, since I came back up to Alberta this last time, I heard James, please come back to Canada. So I'm going to do, you know, whatever we can to see if we can make that happen. Uh, I have a great time every time.

You guys always take such good care of me. I don't think I'll get arrested, but who knows, uh, it'd probably be good for business if I did. Uh, so. So yeah, I'd love to come back to Canada. And, of course, we should talk again soon. Awesome. Thanks, James.