Shaun Newman Podcast - #701 - Derek Gilbert

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

He is an American author, radio host, and speaker known for his work in Christian media, focusing on biblical prophecy, supernatural themes, and current events through a Christian lens. We discuss starting their podcast in 2005, evil in the world and what that looks like, his thoughts on Islam and the story of Nephilim.  Clothing Link:⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

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I'm talking about Derek Gilbert. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today. I'm joined by Derek Gilbert. Sir, thanks for hopping on. My honor to be here. Thank you for the invitation.

Well, A, we probably don't know. I'm assuming folks, Derek doesn't know much about my story or who I am, and that's quite all right by me. That's kind of the nature of the beast when you're doing a gig like this and you're bringing different people on. I'd never heard of you until a listener of mine, Seth Bloom, had brought your name up to me and I don't know how I stumbled into all this but regardless I started listening to some of your stuff and and I've got your app

downloaded on the phone and and so that's kind of my introduction of like how I know even who Derek Gilbert is regardless somewhere along the line I started following you on Twitter and then forgot all about it you know how how algorithms can be and you know I guess if I didn't interact some of your content you know, then you disappear from sight. Right. And then the other night, which I guess is a couple weeks ago now, you were in a space, and I find these X-space is just so fascinating

because you can tune in and if it, you know, it's like, oh, whatever, I don't care, you tune out. And if you find something that you like, it's no different than a podcast, I guess, to the listener, if they don't know what the heck I'm talking about, in that, you know, you can start listening and then, you know, basically save it. So if you've got to run and do things, you can come back to it.

Anyways, long story short, in the last one I listened to, or part of it I listened to, is this a Derek Gilbert guy talking. I'm like, Derek Gilbert, why do I know that name? Because I, you know, once again, it kind of been put in the back of the brain, if you would. I started listening to you're talking about, I'm like, this is interesting. Who is this guy? And then I did a quick Google search, and it pops up. I'm like, wait a second, that's the app I got on the phone.

I text Seth Bloom. He laughs at me and goes, yeah, moron, I know exactly who that is. This is who he is, and I kind of chuckled. So that's the introduction of how I stumbled back into you. Now, please for my audience, I would just love to hear a bit of your story on how all your journey don't feel like you got to shortchange it. I would like to hear a bit about who you are and how you got to where you sit currently. Well, it's been, you know, to paraphrase the was a grateful dead tune, a long, strange trip it's been. started out in broadcasting when I was in college because when I was a kid, I had wanted to do

talk radio. My normal friends were listening to Top 40. I was listening to Late Night Talk Show hosts. So that was, I don't know why. I guess I've always been... You don't know why you liked a late-night talk show host? Like, was it the content? Was it, what was it? I just found it, well, I found it really interesting. You know, I'd be lying in bed with a little Motorola AM radio and listening to Talk Show hosts in Chicago like Chicago Eddie Schenade. Schwartz, Dave Baum, Dr. Milton Rosenberg on WGN. This was back in the late 60s, early 70s. And unlike my friends who were listening to, you know, the top 40 disc jockeys like John Records Landdecker and Captain Whammo. And I was listening, I don't know, always enjoyed learning,

was a reader. I suppose if I were a kid today, they would say I was probably on the spectrum somewhere, but, you know, whatever, just wired differently from other kids. And So I found the discussions fascinating. And I thought this was really a cool thing. I was the kid who'd come home from first grade every day and have to tell my mother everything that we had learned today. Hey, mom, guess what? You know, and she'd been a school teacher when she was younger.

So yeah, she already knew what I was gonna say, but she let me do it anyway. So when I got to college, I got involved in the campus radio station, but you kind of learn as you get a little older that nobody needs a 19 year old talk show host because you don't know anything. So wound up in top 40 radio, and that was really outside my comfort zone because I was trying to pretend to be, I was pretending to be something I wasn't.

But I did that for a number of years. Got out of the radio broadcasting business after I'd gotten married, realized it was a lousy way to raise a family. First marriage sadly broke up. And then when I met Sharon, back in 1997, we met over the internet, well, only 20,000. 20% of America was online. So we were kind of early adopters in this internet thing. And so I'd gone into sales by that point and it was working in sales. My only marketable skills really are talking and using the internet.

So, you know, there we are. That worked out well for, you know, made a successful enough career in selling steel, structural steel, steel pipe. We met, Sharon and I married 1998. and that began a process of moving toward really thinking about what it was I believed and it was really one night when the marriage had broken up and I was I was Mr. Mom. I had physical custody of our daughter who was six at the time and I realized late one night that I couldn't teach her right from wrong because I really didn't know why I believed what was right was right and what was wrong was wrong and I think looking back on it if I would

give credit to the Holy Spirit for that, because I'm not that smart. Think about the basis of your worldview. I'm not sure why I believe what I believe. So that started me down this process of, okay, the Bible is a good moral guide, but what if it's not true? What if it's just all made up? And that let me to research that through books like The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, Evidence of Demands of Verdict by Josh McDowell,

others who they cited followed their works as well, Bible scholars like Edwin Yamiuchi and a number of others who dug into the original text and come to realize there are really good reasons to take the Bible at face value. The texts have been accurately preserved over the centuries. We know this because there are more copies of them, more citations of them from the ancient world, from the classical world, than any other text in history. As skeptics who want to claim that the Bible's been changed multiple times over the centuries by kings to facilitate their political ambitions frankly don't know what they're talking about it really is that simple so when I came to that realization that there

really was a good reason to accept the biblical narrative as true including the death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth that kind of shifted my whole worldview and God bless Sharon she was very patient with me as I kind of made that journey from the early days of our relationship to where we are now we'd always been kind of conspiratorial and mindset because that is a better has more explanatory power for the events of history than a than a say coincidental worldview things happens are just coincidences no there really are a lot of conspiracies that have happened throughout the world but even beyond that the Christian worldview has more explanatory power for the state of the world today.

And I know skeptics will say, why does God allow evil? Well, two words, free will. Anyway, since our early, the early days of our marriage, you know, Sharon, who is a gifted writer, convinced me that I could write as well. And we began doing this about 20 years ago. She sold a publishing company in Pittsburgh on a series of novels that we would write separately from one another but sharing characters and plot points but they got cold feet when they saw we were including things like UFOs and crop circles and uh cryptids and so forth so we self-published

but that process led to us beginning to podcast in early 2005 we're coming up a 20 years of podcasting nowadays everybody it seems has a has a podcast every major media outlet all the major broadcast networks have podcasts too because podcasting has become really the preferred way for a lot of people to consume content we were doing it in march of 2005 less than six months after the code to send out podcasts had been in bedded i've been given a USB with some of those early podcasts on my goodness i i kid you not i'm like he i've heard part of this story before i'm like what what is the world of 2005 podcasting look like there sitting on the floor of our living room with a MacBook and a couple of Plantronics

consumer grade headsets with a Y splitter that was sourced from Radio Shack which doesn't exist anymore and some of the interviews that we did were were facilitated by a cordless telephone with a little alligator clip doohickey that we bought at Radio Shack to get the audio from the phone into a Sony handycam, which is the only method we had for getting the audio into a digital form that the MacBook would accept. It was really a Rube Goldberg setup,

and you can hear it in some of the really bad audio in some of those 2005-2006 interviews. This was long before Skype or Streamyard or Riverside or many of the other tools that are available to us now. Well, you just, even in, I've been podcasting since 2019, so that's what, a little over five years. and the leaps and bounds this space is taken in that five years is really incredible. So to hear 2005, you're going, just to hear how you're piecing it together is pretty cool, I guess, just hearing it from this side.

Maybe I'm the nerd who gets all the intricacies of podcasting, but I'm like, that's pretty cool. You had to think outside the box for sure. Yeah, the tools that we had available to us back then are nothing like, and especially since the lot, because during COVID everybody was kind of forced to stay home and it really facilitated the growth in a lot of consumer tools available to the consumer and a lot of the tools available to us like these great microphones we have I see you're using the sure SM7 I use those in broadcast settings back in the 80s that's a venerable microphone one of the best that's ever been but any you know it ain't

you ain't cheap this one here a lot less expensive and some of the other mics that we are using, which sound pretty good, not as good as ESM-7, but pretty good. Still a lot more affordable than the tools that were available if you wanted a studio-grade setup back in 2005. So the bottom line is this. I guess I look at a microphone like this, Derek, in the sense that I buy the best, knowing that, you know, if I do this hopefully, Lord willing, for another 25 years, the chances that I have to get a new mic unless I do something really dumb to it.

Right, right. It's pretty much zero, isn't it? The SM7 is a tank. Yes, it is a beast and it is, I don't know, it's a fantastic mic. Sounds great on and on and on. And I just go, I don't see how I ever destroy this thing other than human stupidity, which, in fairness, I can do some dumb things at times. No, but they were intended to be put inside radio studios and used 24 hours a day

by a series of people who would have different standards as far as what care of the equipment constituted. Sure, yes, yes. Those things, and the Electro Voice, RE20, you know, those are some, they're expensive for a reason. They're intended to last. They're intended for 24 hour a day use. But again, for most podcasters, it's not,

you know, we don't give it that kind of use. And so there are tools now that were not available to us 20 years ago. And really what it comes down to is this. We thought we were podcasting to try to promote our novels, and it turned out the novels were to get us podcasting, which led to interviewing people like the late Tom Horn, L.A. Marzuli, the late Dr. Michael Heiser,

the late Rust Isdard. You know, many friends who have gone on to glory since then, who've been called home by the Lord since then. So we're blessed that we've been able to benefit from their knowledge. Has that... I don't know the word I'm searching for. I'm going to say surreal. Because on this side, you know, one of the, I think it was episode five,

I interviewed a local sports store owner, Shep. And he's since passed on. And he isn't the only one. There's been several now of the older generation. I did these community interviews where I was talking about just people from our community and getting their life story. And when he passed, it was a sad day. It was almost this surreal feeling knowing that there's a part of him where you can go and listen

to him talk and hear his thoughts on different things. When you talk, you know, when you mention all these different people since 2005, I'm sure you have a long list of people you've interviewed that are no longer with us. Do you ever get a, does that ever leave you with a sense of anything? Yeah. You know, a sense of, a little bit of a sense of sadness, but that's for ourselves. You know, this kind of a selfish feeling. I miss being able to talk to Tom Horn or Mike Heiser or Russ Dizdar, his wife, Shelley,

Diszdar, other friends that we've known through the years. Look at some of the interviews that we conducted at prophecy conferences, which is really what got us started in this whole milieu, Tom Horn, very early on. Our first interview with him was late 205, recognized what we were doing. And again, I look back in my radio broadcast experience as. training for what we're doing now. I didn't know it at the time, of course, but Tom back in 2006 started saying,

hey, you've got a ministry when he put together the first future Congress in Branson back in 2011, Prophecy Conference. He invited us to come and bring our podcasting gear and start conducting interviews. And that was how we started meeting people like say Joel Richardson and Gary Stearman and the late Noah Hutchings and others who were well known,

who'd been in that circle for quite some time. We, you know, look at that body of work. I think we've got well over 2,000 programs that are available on the internet, now audio and now a lot of video as well. And, you know, we, it's like when my father passed back in 2005. I know that he had accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. And so he knew where he was going. We didn't know what was wrong with him.

It was not until a few days before he passed that we discovered that the cause of his death. But anyway, the fact that we knew where he was going and that we would be seeing him again someday made it a lot easier to accept. And so there's that aspect of not being able to communicate in this realm with. Tom and Mike and, hey, Rob Skiba, Chris Putnam, others who've, you know, friends of ours who've gone on. But we know that we will see them again. And so that makes it a little easier. So whatever sadness we feel, you know,

whatever melancholy that comes from it, is kind of selfish. It's for ourselves because I know that where they are now, they would not trade places. They would not want to come back. I'm trying to quiet my brain down because I don't want to ask seven. I got 17 different avenues I can take with Derek this morning.

And I'm like, okay, where do I want to go, folks? You know, it's kind of like, oh, boy, here we go. You mentioned, no, I'm going to keep with the theme here. I'm going to pace myself this morning, folks. You mentioned you're going along and how, one of the things, and I'm just going to pull it up on my phone so I don't get this wrong, because one of the things that really drew me to some of the things you were doing was GHTV. Why did you guys go with an app?

Why did you start there? And then, too, I may just slide this in. You know, like the ability to flip between like seven different Bibles, you probably know how many you have on there. And just see like, you know, because one of the things that gets talked about is all they're omitting words. They're changing things on and on. The nice thing about the app,

if I'm ever like, what the heck does that mean? I'll flip between the different versions and just one little word change can really cement in like, oh, oh, that makes sense. Okay. So, GHTV, why an app? Because the Internet makes us, really gives us access to the entire world at the same time. We ran into this back in 2005. I was an old radio guy, you know, started radio in college in 1980.

So I had this mindset that to be legitimate, for lack of a better word, we had to be on a broadcast signal somewhere. Somebody had to be putting a signal out through a radio tower, broadcasting to a local area. And Sharon, that far back, was saying, excuse me, Glory, what's the problem? Our puppy wants attention.

She pointed out back in 2005 that by syndicating through podcasting, we were getting out to the whole world instead of just through a local area. The same is true in 2024. And I think a lot of Christian broadcasting networks are running into this reality this this is a process that was beginning with the early days of say netflix and then roku but it really expanded oh thank you sweetheart uh sharon is called the dogs to the

living room um that during the lockdowns when people realized how much content was available to consume on demand that that really is the way to go and it's a lot more cost effective Christian broadcasting over television is something that goes back to 1970s really but it's expensive it takes a lot of electricity to produce a program and send it out over a broadcast tower and especially if you're syndicated on a network airtime is very very expensive so for the cost for less than the cost of one 30 minute time slot on a local television station in a market the size of Springfield Missouri, which is not that big compared to, say, Chicago, New York, L.A. We can put out all of our content on the app.

And the company that does it, I'll give them the shout-out, the Subsplash, which does the app for a lot of churches, a lot of media ministries. We're not just on iOS, Android, Amazon, Kindle, Fire devices. We're also on Roku, Apple TV, Fire TV, Android TV, Google TV. and, you know, all over the planet. So when we went to Israel, for example, this past March, a small group, but we had people from the UK and New Zealand joining us

who only heard about it because of the app and the Internet. Have you had any, you know, like one of the big things that I, it's the Sub-Splash, I've actually talked to their folks because one of the big things we face here in Canada is, and I think this is in, you know, this is becoming more prevalent around the world is censorship, right? I think you can feel from how I conducted an interview. I don't think there's anything too crazy about what I'm doing,

yet you get into some of the topics. I hope we get into today in regards to, you know, Christianity in general, but then you criticize the liberal government. You know, you can see over my head that's, went from my time in Ottawa during that protest, you know, gets, gets labeled certain things, and you can start to see how they're framing, you know, it was a couple nights ago on a live stream that, I'm just going to pull it back up, ideology motivated, violent extremist, right?

So we're starting to get these labels and I'm starting to fit it more and more and becoming a Christian, although raised in a Christian house. One of the lovely things about the podcast and the journey of talking to all these people was starting to open up the Bible and explore Jesus Christ and on and on. You'd think that would remove you from certain labels, but actually it just cements you closer into it, right? White, extremist, Christian background. And so, you know, I guess when I look at the app,

have you had any issues with content and them being like, oh, you can't do that or not allow that here or any fear of that? No, not at all. We've not heard a single word, and we've been on the app now between us and Skywatch TV. And I was, we went with Subsplash after our friends over Prophecy Watchers in Oklahoma City found them and recommended them. Skywatch TV has been on Subsplash since about 2016. So that's going on eight years now of content with Skywatch TV.

We've got about two years of content for ourselves. We've not had a single issue with Subsplash despite, having programs yanked off of certain video sharing platforms for various and sundry reasons. What are you getting yanked off before? If you, I'm just curious. Well, Sharon and me, Sharon and I were doing a program called Sci Friday. We did that for about six years. We'll probably bring that back at some point because Sharon's training,

her degree is in molecular biology with an emphasis in genetics. So, you know, she writes this wonderful, fiction. She's got a gift as a storyteller, but she's also got a biologist's brain. So she's been tracking things like emerging diseases for quite some time. And on Sigh Friday, which we were still producing for Skywatch TV at the time, in January of 2020, we were talking about COVID-19 before anybody else in Christian media. We also were very critical of Operation Warp Speed when it was announced by President Trump because she said, look, there's a reason in MRNA has never been trialed in humans, much less rushed into widespread distribution.

This is besides which the fact that the that SARS Cove 2 was a an MRI was an RNA virus, it would mutate too quickly for any for any vaccine to keep up. So we talked about that and that was kind of thing got a couple of our programs pulled from two different video sharing platforms, even though we weren't saying anything that was not available on the corporate media. We weren't going to the, say, the conspiratorial extreme and making claims about the vaccine that couldn't be backed up. We're just simply saying, look, it's not going to keep up with the rate of mutation, and there's a reason this technology has never been used before. And that kind of thing was just, nope, nope, can't say that. Skywatch TV's been pulled four times now

from a major video sharing platform for discussing the abuse of children and trafficking. And again, it wasn't getting into any of the conspiratorial stuff, some of the really extreme conspiratorial stuff that you cannot back up with hard and fast evidence. We're talking about discussing things that are documented with statistics

from health and human services, from the Department of Homeland Security and things like that. Skywatch TV's main ministry is Whispering Pony's Ranch, which is there to serve children in foster care. There's a ministry called For the Children, formerly Royal Family Kids. They sponsor the Royal Family Kids Camps every year, children in foster care age 9 to 11, where they can experience the love of Jesus Christ

and talking about the reasons for needing, camps like this actually got not just the the videos pulled but the entire channel taken down not once but four times now i can only speculate as to why that might be and i won't do that here but you know i can speculate that that puts you in a pretty dark territory when you're talking about um children abuse of them yep and talking and opening it up and that gets you shut down yeah i Listen, one of the things on this side is I'm fine with speculation because at the end of the day, I mean 2 plus 2 we can sit here and go, I wonder what did that equals, but it certainly looks like it equals 4. And when you're getting removed for that, you know, and I'm once again, Derek, I'm listening to him going,

you seem like a pretty reasonable guy. And you're just opening up a conversation on certain things. Certainly on this side, I mentioned the vaccine. I probably went a little further into some things, but I brought doctors on. I brought a lot of different people on. We've been removed off YouTube, and a lot of different platforms started to, just by the word vaccine,

didn't matter how you interpreted it on either side. And it didn't matter how many PhDs or whatever have you in front of a person's name. Right. They were never qualified to talk about certain subjects. And we're seeing that play out now. now with a lot of different subjects. So to me, when you put it that way, speculation or not, whether there's smoke, there's

definitely fire. And the fact that that's coming up, I mean, that's a dark part of the world that is, oh, I just need some light shone on it, right? It does. It does. And that's why Skywatch TV exists. That's why Tom and Nita Horn brought it into being. Tom had a brilliant idea, which is a vertical integration, founded Defender Publishing,

and then brought up Skywatch TV as a way of giving voice to the authors and content producers at Defender Publishing, which includes people like Carl Gallops, Lieutenant Colonel Robert McGinnis, the late Dr. Michael Heiser, Sharon and me, Dr. Michael Lake, and others. And so suddenly now, you know, Tom is producing it. He's got, he's, uh, the, the cost of, of the content being offered, the products being offered, the books and DVDs is reduced because he's the producer, and then he's taking all the proceeds

and he's using it to finance what's going on at Whispering Pony's Ranch, which was then made available to Royal Family Kids and Teen Reach to add no cost to them. Now that we run into some obstacles, which have to do with the state of the insurance industry at the moment that have a lot of churches and church camps are running into all of a sudden.

but the need for rescuing these children. Skywatch TV's got a four-part docu-series coming out called Rescue Us, which really digs into this. But again, you bring this forward. One of the programs for which Skywatch got canceled was a program about a documentary produced by Skywatch TV a few years ago called Silent Cry. And, you know, it opens up with some of the documents released by the FBI

a couple of years ago about their investigation into a group called The Finders. I mean, this was stuff, this was a conspiracy, Sharon and I were looking at in the early days of PID radio. The Finders was a group that came to police attention back in the 80s, if I remember correctly, a couple of guys were arrested in,

I want to say, Tallahassee, Florida, with children who were clearly not their children. And they were traced back to a group with a headquarters in Washington, D.C., called the Finders. When Metropolitan Police in D.C. raided the warehouse that served as their headquarters, they found a lot of really disturbing evidence. I mean, evidence that children were being abused. More than that, evidence that children were being ordered, like mail order from foreign countries. Evidence that members of this group were traveling to places going back to the

60s and 70s like North Korea, which should have been off limits for any American citizen. But as Metropolitan Police began to investigate, they received an order from the United States Department of State telling them to stand down that this was a matter of national security. So anyway, that was what opened this documentary. And the program about the documentary got the entire channel taken down for cyberbullying. and harassment. So why that's the third rail of topics on that particular channel, I don't know. But again, we can reach some very disturbing conclusions, although we couldn't prove it in a court of law. I want to go back to, and feel free to wherever it is on your journey. You mentioned sitting with your daughter.

talking about, you know, what is truth, what is right and wrong, and having a hard time being like, what is that? And then, you know, you mentioned the Holy Spirit, and I'm assuming you open up the Bible, is my guess, or something along the lines. I guess I would be interested to hear up until that point then, were you not reading the Bible? Or how did your life change from, like, if that's the moment that sticks out, what happens at that moment that catapults you to where Derek Gilbert sits today? Yeah, it was kind of a sea change moment. No, I would consider myself a cultural Christian.

My Christianity was really squishy to that point. I considered myself very open-minded, I like to think of myself as a liberal, believed that all religious faiths were on the same journey, that nobody had absolute truth. that Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, we were all on the same path that would eventually bring us to God, very much universalist without realizing that that's what I believed. But in trying to determine a basis for my worldview began looking at the Bible as a starting point,

okay, well, the moral code is spoused by Jesus, love your neighbor as you love yourself, okay, that's pretty good, but what if this is all just made up? and came to through some of the resources I mentioned earlier, like the case for Christ by Lee Strobel, the account of Josephus that the half-brother of Jesus, James, who was later one of the leaders of the church in Jerusalem,

this new faith, and how James was martyred about 30 years after the resurrection. There was sort of a gap in Roman oversight in the province of Judea where the whatever the governor the Roman governor had died and while Rome was sending a new guy to replace the one who had died Jewish religious authorities martyred James they had him killed

because James refused to recant his testimony that his half-brother was the Messiah was God in the flesh as Jesus said in John chapter 10 and I and the father are one. Jews were not allowed, in fact, the subject people in the Roman Empire were not allowed to execute prisoners. They could not carry out sentences of capital punishment. The Romans reserved that for themselves.

So they did this when there wasn't a Roman governor so they could get away with it. Now, what was it that made James so convinced that his brother was the Messiah? Well, you read in 1 Corinthians 15, which is really a remarkable chapter, probably the most remarkable, in my opinion, at least most impactful on me in the New Testament. It begins with the gospel by which we are saved, the first couple of verses where Paul tells the church at Corinth, here's the gospel by which you are saved. Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance. with the scriptures. That's it. I mean, it's really simple. Then he goes on to apologetics. Here's how you can know that this is true, that he appeared to Kefis, Peter. Then to the 12. Then he appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive,

though some have fallen asleep. In other words, what he's telling the church in Corinth, 20 years after the resurrection, is if you don't believe me about this guy, Yeshua of Nazareth literally being raised from the dead send somebody to Jerusalem and ask around because most of the witnesses of the risen Jesus are still alive like oh hmm so James was one of those to whom his dead brother appeared that would change your worldview in an instant I saw him die on the Mount of Olives And now he's back. Oh, the whole world changed.

And for me, that was sort of a watershed moment. It's like, oh, okay. So there were witnesses, and Paul was basically telling them there were witnesses, and that the resurrection is the key point in the gospel, because if he's not raised, then we are still in our sins. 1st Corinthians 15 is all about why the resurrection is so. so important and you have to accept the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus if you want to call yourself a Christian in any meaningful way. Like, hmm, since Jesus validated the testimony in the Old

Testament, that means that stuff's true too, which means I've got to kind of realign the way I'm living my life. So that was it right there. It was that realization that James had been martyred and that what made him so convict because there's no indication in anywhere in the scriptures or in any of the early church writings that any of the apostles or early martyrs of the Christian faith were insane people will believe people will die for what they believe to be true all right we see this with not to pick on Muslims but we see this with say suicide bombers who believe they're going to go to Allah and be with 72 virgins the moment they stop existing in this time space continuum.

They think that's true and so they're willing to live according to that. But the apostles were in a position to know if the resurrection had been faked. And if you know that you're trying to promote a lie and you're facing torture, crucifixion, which was the ugliest, most painful form of death in history, you're liable to change your story, but none of them did. Why? Well, not because they're crazy. not because they're living according to a lie, but because they knew it was true.

So for me, that was sort of the switch that flipped and went from a cultural Christian to saying, okay, yeah, this is true. Let me, I'm curious. You know, I think in everyone's journey along life, you know, you have these different inflection moments where things happen, and you sit and wrestle with it for a very long time.

Ottawa was one for me. there was a lot of things that happened in Ottawa, as I'm sure you can imagine, you know, the entire world's gaze is on Ottawa as the most peaceful protest in Canadian history probably goes down. Maybe further than that, I don't know. But regardless in Canada's history, you know, it was this just a, I don't know, pinnacle event that people should be very proud of and media's, you know, butchered it and everything else. But one of the things I've been trying to understand. And I was curious your thoughts on it because the first thing, the reason I start picking up the Bible is things are happening that don't make sense. And I don't mean in the sense

of like me and you having a chat, I mean in the sense of like things that cannot be seeing. You're like, what is going on? One might call it coincidences. Don't believe in that anymore. others would have their own interpretations, you know, of all the different things that come down the line. And I ran into a lot of those people. Regardless, in Ottawa, there was just things going on that didn't make sense. And I would position it to you. You can ask as many questions as you like if you want more information, because at times I can be a little bit coy, I guess, I'm told, on trying to explain Ottawa, except I just have a really hard time explaining it. Because I went there, I was, I was, what did you, how did you put it?

A cultural Christian? Obviously growing up in Canada, gone to church as a kid, all the way up until I graduated and then left the faith and, you know, and just went on to my own. So when I got to Ottawa, I kind of just thought we were there for a protest. I was going to interview a few people. I brought my podcast gear along. And, you know, I came home licking my wounds because there was a lot more going on that I could not explain.

And here I sit over two years later, still going back to this topic over and over again. And the only thing, well, no, you brought up your favorite part of the Bible. I've written this out in my book, and that's Ephesians 6. And you probably know exactly where I'm going. But, you know, essentially, for our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places. And I've wrestled with that thought and that entire scripture for a long time now.

I'm curious your thoughts on it. I'm right there with you. In fact, I conclude my podcast of you from the bunker every week with the phrase, we wrestle not against flesh and blood. Sharon is beginning a podcast on our own here shortly with the title, the armored sheep, because it's a reference to the full. armor of God we are the sheep following the shepherd but we if we are armored up I mean it's it's kind of a cute image and she's got a real cute graphic for it but

there's some truth to it we are following the shepherd and we need to be armored up to withstand the attacks of the enemy in the spirit realm so yeah there are people who don't realize the reason they're wounded spiritually physically financially whatever because they're in the middle of a battle battlefield. We are on a battlefield. That's the sense that we've come to through our research and credited the late Dr. Michael Heiser for sharing his research into the unseen realm, the divine counsel worldview, this idea that there are other spirit beings out there. A lot of us growing up in church were treated to what we call flannelboard Christianity. This little

cute cartoon figures a little devil is you know got his little pitchfork and his horns and his tail but there are more spirit beings out there than just satan and maybe some fallen angels and we don't really believe in demons anymore since we discovered the science of psychology that sort of thing that's not how the hebrew prophets and the apostles viewed the world they saw the world as populated by a lot of uh evil intelligence and a lot of faithful angels as well, although angels is kind of an imprecise term, but still, faithful angels, fallen angels, demons, and all created like us humans with free will. That's not to say we find a demon behind, you know, under every bush, and, you know, the fact that

you can't resist that second bowl of ice cream is not the result of demonic oppression or attack or anything like that, but it does have a lot of explanatory power for the state of the world in which we live. In fact, this would have been the default worldview of the early church. Modern Christians, you ask, you know, why is the world in such a mess? Well, because of the fall in the Garden of Eden, Genesis 3. Yes.

But in the first century, the early church would have said, and then there's the Genesis 6 incident where the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were fair and took wives of any they chose, and that led to the creation of these hybrid giants or Nephilim. It was also the understanding of the early church and Jews of that period.

that the spirits of those hybrids, when Noah's flood swept over the world, became demons. Interestingly, there's even some evidence from Greek writings, the Greek poet Hesiod, that they understood, even though they saw it a little differently, but they understood that it was those demigods who lived during the golden age of chronos

that when they died, their spirits became demons, which is where we get the word demon. It's just they had a more positive view of those spirits, like Heracles and Perseus and so on. you sacrifice to them they'll help you that's not how the jews and christians in the first century saw it that was a big reason jesus spent so much time in the apostles casting out demons they were afflicting humanity and then you had the genesis 11 incident which was the tower of babel where humanity tried to create an artificial mountain because mountains were always the point of contact between the gods and humanity trying to reestablish contact with those gods

who had been sent to Tartarus. In fact, that's in 2 Peter 2, verse 4. The word translated hell there. God did not spare the angels when they sin, but thrust them down to hell. It's not Hades in the Greek, it's Tartarus. That's a separate level below Hades, reserved for supernatural threats.

So just like the Titans of Greek myth, we believe, are the same as those sons of God from Genesis 6. These sons of God are in Tartarus and chains in gloomy darkness. humanity at babel tried to reestablish contact and god said all right look you don't want to deal with me you can deal with my subordinates deuteronomy 32 verse 8 when god gave the nations their inheritance when he divided them the confusion of languages after babel he numbered the nations according to the number of the sons of god oh that's the the oldest available hebrew text some of the like the king

james translation reads sons of israel but the better old Older copies of the book of Deuteronomy actually say, sons of God and the Septuagint translation, which was translated from older Hebrew text into Greek by about 200 BC reads the angels of God. So it was understood. When God divided the nations, he put them under the administration of angelic beings.

Again, this is, you can find this in the writings of the early church fathers like Justin Martyr, Ironaeus, and Athenae Goros, and so on. They understood God delegated responsibility. to these spirit beings who then rebelled against his authority and set themselves up as gods in their own right so this was the understanding of the early church we're behind enemy lines there's a reason jesus called satan the god of this world the prince of this world it's under his temporary dominion that will be reversed when jesus returns and that's why bible prophecy is so important understanding that there

is a happy ending to all of this Would you say that spiritually we're in a war field done, like a battlefield? Absolutely. When we started... And then if I can, just to... Just trying to make sense of a couple things and love your thoughts on it. Okay, so you're in a giant battlefield that is Earth. But, you know, in any war, there's only certain spots that are, you know, currently at war, if you would.

right I mean take a look at the world of today you walk around the United States it's not like shots are going off everywhere physically I mean if you go to a hot war then you go over to Russia Ukraine or currently what's going on in Israel and that Middle East region and I assume you know spiritually as you pointed out you know just because you know you can't hold yourself down because of the the second bowl of ice cream doesn't mean that in your household spiritually there's shots being fired every 10 So when you look at different events like Ottawa or, you know, actually I guess I don't know all the different spots it would be, you know, is that where you will start to see or would possibly see things start to get? And I, the only word I know is weird, right? Like, weird. Because they all will, that's an actual battlefield. Or am I wrong on that? The political realm is one aspect of this war. It's being played on multiple levels.

I would argue that the education system is another front in this battlefield. We've seen things change so rapidly here in the last, say, 12 years. And you can even argue, I suppose, make a case for, if you remember, the Mayan apocalypse that was supposed to take place on the winter solstice. 2012 right yeah yeah things have really changed a lot since then you go back to 2008 and the presidential campaign here in the united states where Democratic candidates were saying things like abortion should be safe legal and rare well the democratic party had its national convention in chicago just last week as we're recording this and they had a bus a medical facility on wheels outside the convention offering free procedures to anyone who wanted to terminate an unborn child that's quite a shift in just 16 years. It really is. It's insane. Well, insanity is one word for it. Evil would be another. I think if you're looking at things with spiritual eyes looking at as a spiritual conflict,

you can see that this would be the influence of those aforementioned principalities and powers. You also see it in the gender war that is taking place. Now there's some pushback finally coming, some sanity here and there, but we still see it as where academics are being decredentialed and dismissed from institutions of higher learning because they dare say such controversial things as men can't have babies because it's biologically impossible.

I mean, again, 12, 16 years ago, this would have been, yeah, absolutely. Why is this even a thing? But now it's controversial to say something like that. And when you look at the history of the deities worshipped in the ancient world around and even before Israel came into being, the concept of gender was the purview of one of the most popular of the deities of ancient sumer,

Inana, later known as Ishtar Astarte to the Canaanites, Aphrodite, Venus, to the Greeks and Romans, she was not always female. In fact, in the Hurrian pantheon, there's a very famous set of inscriptions found in Turkey where all the male deities of the Hurrian pantheon, the Hurrians were of people who occupied basically the Kurdish territories in the northern arc of Mesopotamia, but also down in the Bible, they were known as the Horites. They had all the male deities on one wall of this chasm and all the female deities on the other side,

and their version of Inana was on both walls. because she was sometimes male, sometimes female. So this is a very old idea. There's a Sumerian hymn that's been preserved in the Acadian language where Inana is praised for being able to change men into women and women into men. So this is a very old idea, and yet it has become front and center in the culture war in the 21st century. The irony is that it's not progressive at all.

It's actually regressive. It's taking us back 5,000 years to ancient. Mesopotamia. So when you look at it from a spiritual viewpoint, you see the war going on pretty much everywhere. Trying to deconstruct what God created and called good, yeah. Right? And I guess that would be the easiest way. If it's deconstructing what is there and what, you know, as you pointed out, God has given, built, then you look at that and go, well, that's obviously evil. Or whatever term you want to associate with that from that side of the, I don't know, realm? Yeah.

I think there is a, it's a war for control, for dominion of this planet. And I think the creation of the Nephilim was part of that, you know, creating these hybrids who could interact continuously in the natural realm and challenge the children of Adam and Eve for control of the planet. But, you know, beyond that, I think spiritually, they're trying to get us to do that work for them through genetic manipulation of various kinds and through frankly the gender movement, which when you get right down to it,

is really about sterilizing us. You cannot take a man and have him give birth. You cannot take a woman and have her procreate and the children who are being encouraged to take these puberty blockers to stop them from becoming what their genetics are programmed to turn them into. to leaves them sterile.

I mean, you look at this in a broader sense. Really, this is a spiritual war to get humanity to essentially breed ourselves out of existence. Nephilim. I don't know enough about it. Just give this guy a 101 on living under a rock and what Nephlene, when I hear that word, I go, okay, this is getting into the territory

of like, I haven't done enough, research on it. I've heard it, you know, bits and pieces. You know, on this side, Derek, you know, like, it was only, what was it, folks? Was it, was it two years ago, a year and a half ago? Geez, now, it's probably been two years now. There was a time when I wouldn't say God on this podcast.

So to, you know, as the journey goes along, you become, okay, all right, I got that step. And then the next step and, you know, and on and on. Definitely. It is certainly a topic that a lot of scholars want to avoid because it has that connotation of Wu. And I know that Dr. Michael Heiser, who showed the importance of the Genesis 6 narrative to Jewish and Christian theology, has been criticized for spawning a new generation of Nephilim hunters who want to go out and find. Nephilim who exist with us today and they're influencing our political

realm this is the thing I don't understand okay this is like to me and I'm not every person I want to make that adamantly clear I mean obviously I don't need to explain that but you know I got a lovely audience they are brilliant they're smart but they don't have my my life experiences they haven't and and as I do not have theirs so when I came back from Ottawa you know I'd lived in a world up until that point where the media says that certain things aren't happening but you look with your own eyes and you see them happening so hence a whole giant protest goes to ottawa protest it's peaceful they say they're a whole bunch of things which they weren't and that's being

proven out year after year here as more and more documents come out and when i came home people asked what happened because you know in the history of the podcast for five years five plus years, there's only one stint where I don't podcast for 53 days, and that was after Ottawa. And, you know, I've said similar things over and over again. I've always pointed to four things. It was probably all four things to be very fair. But, you know, it was stress, lack of sleep, drugs and alcohol, or spiritual. And then people go, well, we know it's spiritual. And as I explore that side of things, I go, why don't we talk about it? And they go, oh, they'll deem you crazy. And I'm like, well, they already deem us crazy for so many things. And you're

yet the more you run into this you're like but but I but I listen I can I can okay well I can maybe I didn't happen right you can start to self guess yourself but then you know it happens again and it happens in a different way and it happens when you're not stressed or lacking sleep or drinking or smoking or whatever form of intoxicant a person can put in your body so all you're left with is either my mind is playing tricks on me or things are happening that I cannot explain and then you run to things that help explain it i.e. the Bible and you see Nephilim in there and you go okay well maybe maybe it was just nothing except I'm not there anymore I'm just like so I actually don't

give a crap part of you know being so blunt but I don't really care what other people think because I'm like I'm at this point where I'm like I just want to understand things. And I don't want to, I don't want to put it in there. People don't like this part of the podcast. They'll just turn it off. I'm quite fine by that. They don't have to wrestle with these things. It could be wrestling with 10 other things. And that's completely fine. Two years ago, I would not have been any shape or form to be right where I am today, Derek. But here I sit. And I'm like, lay it on me. I want to hear what it is that makes sense to you. All right. Genesis 6, verses 1 through 4, the verses say in a nutshell that Sons of God, which is a phrase in the Old Testament that always refers to supernatural beings, came into, which is a euphemism, the daughters of man, and from them were produced giants or Nephilim, and who were on the earth in those days.

And also after that, when or whenever the Hebrew can mean, the sons of God came into the daughters. a man. So who were the Nephilim and why is this relevant? This is a word that Dr. Heiser showed derives from Aramaic, the word Nafiulia, which means giant. It is still the word in Aramaic that refers to the constellation Orion, the giant. So yes, Nephilim does mean giants. The early church understood this. These giants committed atrocities against humanity. This is known from the book of First Enig. The Bible doesn't go in any of this. description. My wife and I just began a study of the book of first inek on our Bible study podcast, which I'm sure is going to kick up some controversy because a lot of Christians,

it's not in the Bible, so you shouldn't even be looking at it. Well, yeah, except that Jude quotes directly from First Enoch. There are other verses in the New Testament, Peter, Paul, John the Baptist, Jesus himself making reference to things that are in the book of first Enoch that are not in the Old Testament, or any other Jewish religious writing prior to First Enoch. So we can look at this because it's referenced in Genesis 1 or Genesis 6, 1 through 4, 2 Peter 2 4, Jude 6 and 7 making reference to these angels who sinned. Why were they, why were they punished by being sent to Tartarus? Because they were committing violent acts against humanity,

eating up all the produce of the land, turning on, basically committing all of these forbidden things, like consuming the blood with meat and even cannibalizing the humanity and then one another. So that was the reason for their sin. Beyond that, the angels themselves, these fallen angels referred to as watchers

taught humanity things we weren't supposed to know, occult practices, divination, the practicing of sorcery, witchcraft, and so forth. For these things, they were punished. They were put in chains in gloomy darkness according to Jude and Peter and their sin, the consequences of that sin, that according to First Enoch,

the spirits of the giants destroyed in the flood would be evil spirits condemned to torment humanity on earth until the final judgment. I mentioned earlier that even according to the Greek poet Hesiod, who was roughly a contemporary of the prophet Isaiah, 7th or 6th century BC, 8th or 7th century BC. A lot of what we know about Greek mythology, which is actually religion,

comes from Hesiod. And he wrote that it was those men of the golden age when Kronos ruled in heaven. When they died, their spirits became deemones. The phrase that he used to describe these men, Greek, Marrape's Anthropoi, Anthropoi meaning human, like where we get the word anthropology,

that first word, Marrapes, a scholar by the name of Amar Anus, an Estonian scholar, showed that that Greek word Marapes actually derives from the same Semitic root, from which we get Refayim. So, Greeks knew who were the Refayem were. Their veneration of their heroes, like Heracles and Perseus, derives from the Canaanite and Amarite practice of venerating the Rapayuma, the Refayim, the spirits of the giants destroyed in the flood. So it was a man. we've got extra biblical confirmation that this was where demons come from. Again, that word damones in Greek is where the Hebrews, the Jews, got the word demons

that we see showing up in the New Testament. And so that is the consequence. Those are the consequences of the sin of these sons of God from Genesis chapter 6. They created these giants. God sent the flood to wipe them out. Punished these angelic beings, these watchers, by sending them to Tartarus. but the spirits of those giants, demons, still linger in the earth today. Jesus, the apostles made casting out demons a central part of their ministry.

Essentially, Jesus casting them off of his land, Israel, hey, this is my turf, go, get lost. This was the understanding of the early church. I mean, you get early church theologians like Justin Martyr in the year 161. His second apology wrote this, but the angels transgressed disappointment. God basically delegating to them some responsibility to oversee the creation of earth and humanity, transgress this appointment, and were captivated by love of women and begat children who are those that are called demons. This is Justin Martyr, writing to the Senate in Rome in defense of Christianity. And there are others, Ironaeus, Origen, Athenegoras, pseudoclimity, over and over.

For the first four centuries after the resurrection, this was Christianity, Where do demons come from? Spirits of the Giants destroyed in the flood. That's it. It wasn't until Augustine in the early 5th century that the idea that those sons of God really weren't spirit beings. They were the righteous sons of Seth who commingled with the evil daughters of Cain

to create these monstrous giants, who weren't really giants. They were just evil rulers. He came up with a naturalistic explanation, And that is the default understanding, the default teaching of pastors in seminary to this day, which is why we don't hear this in the pews on Sunday mornings. We've got a naturalized Bible, a desupernaturalized Bible. Let's put it that way. It removes all of this stuff, which would explain the state of the world in which we live.

And so we're left with trying to overcome our natural desire for that second bowl of ice cream and calling that spiritual warfare, when in fact there are these evil intelligences out there who are active, have free agency, and want to destroy us and everything that we love. Have you ever had, I guess encountered maybe is the word I'm searching for, have you ever encountered these evil intelligences?

Like, you know, like, is that something that you sitting there, you're like, oh, yeah, or you're like, oh, no, it's more of, when I study the scripture, this is where I get to. I would say for me it's more that, but I've met enough people who are productive, rational people who have had these encounters that I cannot say that it doesn't exist, it doesn't happen.

We've had some unexplained events that have occurred to us, but I couldn't point to them and say, yeah, I had a confrontation with an evil spirit. Now, Sharon has. Sharon has. And she talked about these publicly and went viral for a while a couple of years ago on, you know, she was getting written up by the red tops over in the UK. You know, crazy, Pentecostal, well, we're not Pentecostal, first of all, but whatever. You know, claims that she had this experience, like, all right, whatever.

This is why a lot of people don't talk about these sorts of things. because when you do, they point at you and say, you're crazy, even in a lot of churches. That absolutely shocks me. That line right there just shocks me, because I'm like, okay, in order to be a Christian, you have to believe Jesus rose from the grave. Correct?

Am I correct in that thought process? Right. Okay. So what is that? He's either a magician or that's supernatural. and if we're going to give it to supernatural, then that opens the ball game on a whole lot. Yeah.

Right? Am I wrong there? Like, if you're going to say, now that, boom, that actually happened. I just don't get how you write off everything else. I get how over time it gets, I think the word you used was naturalized, right, where we just kind of glaze over a bunch of things.

But to deem about, oh, there's that crazy person talking about, It's like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Actually, it makes less sense than anything because it's like in one breath, you're like, well, this supernatural thing's true. But the rest of it, you know, we're just not going to preach. Well, not even the preaching. The not preaching it, I kind of actually get, you know, like you glaze over certain things.

Maybe you don't understand things. That's fine. But to go out and physically attack somebody of the same faith because they're telling a story that you deem crazy even though the guy who is saving all of you rose from the dead, I just don't understand how those two, they conflict immediately.

They literally conflict. And they just rose from the dead and now there's no demons anywhere? It's just boom, done. No, that isn't like open our eyes and we can see there's some weird stuff going on right now. Yeah. You know, and it's playing out throughout society

and people are trying to wrestle with it. And the only thing that makes sense is that it's there are parts of this that are straight demonic. It's like you can witness, you can literally watch it. Yeah. You use the word insane to describe some of the beliefs now held widely here in Western civilization, that men can be women, women can be men, and you can be whatever you want. You can identify as the third moon of Saturn if you want to. And a lot of schools are being compelled to facilitate.

that kind of insanity. But I think another word for it is demonic. If you're looking at this through a spiritual lens, demonic makes more sense. I'll give you some weird ones up. You know, the boys can be girls thing is just like, I haven't found a rational person who thinks, and not even rational.

I would say 85% of society just goes, that's insane. Other ones we have playing out here in Canada, made, so medical assistance and dying. Yeah. Now, I understand how at the beginning it gets positioned as this like, it's a good thing. You know, you're 85, you got stage 4 cancer, you're in so much pain. Let's just put them out of their misery. Okay. But now it's getting to the point where they're asking our veterans if they want it. They're pushing for, there's two different tracks. There's death is foreseeable. Now there's death isn't foreseeable, meaning you're still alive and, you're still alive and, you're, you're, they're pushing for. you know, it's like, well, you just want to die. And I'm being a little bit tongue-in-cheek, folks, but you kind of get where I'm going with this to the point where they're starting to talk about mature minors

and they're talking about all these buzzwords where you're like, if you understand, you're like, that's getting straight demonic. That is crazy. You go to abortion. Yep. You go, you know, in the roundtable discussions I've had with people who aren't devout Christians, I might add, you know, the abortion conversation goes something like,

well, I mean, if you just take the day after pill, to where's the line? But nobody in that discussion ever says you should be able to abort a full-term child. Like that, they go, well, no, that isn't the rules. I'm like, oh, no, well, go look into it. It gets pretty wild. Yeah.

And then I'll finish it off with the safe supply of drugs. You know, just this past week, there's outrage because Ontario is following suit of where BC went, which is they're going to shut down places that are 200 meters away from schools and daycares. And there's outrage over that of giving away free drugs. Then you're like, I know it's a very, very minute part of the population that thinks that. But the fact we got to a place where you can have free drugs being giving out that close

to a daycare or a school or a park is, once again, maybe I should stop saying insane. Derek, and I should just start saying demonic. Because I don't know any other way, and that's Canada. I can't speak to everything going on in your neck of the world. We see it in some cities here in the United States. San Francisco has tried that as well and found that it just drew a criminal element as well as those who are addicted to certain parts of town. Yeah, it's an anti-human agenda, which again speaks to the spirits behind him.

In my book, The Second Coming of Saturn, I wrote, and made a case that the entity worshipped by the Romans as Saturn, the Greeks as Kronos, was known by many other names in the ancient world. L to the Canaanites, Milcom to the Ammonites, which means he was Molek of the Hebrews, was Shemiyazah, the leader of this rebellion in Genesis chapter 6,

the sons of God who came down and saw that the daughters of man were fair, punished by being sent to Tartarus, according to Peter, which would be consistent with the rough outlines of the story of Kronos sent to Tartarus and banished there. How can he still influence the world? Again, Molluk infamous in the Bible for being the one who demanded the sacrifice of children. But this was also true of Kronos, of the Phoenician form of that entity, Bail Hamon, of Saturn.

In Greek, one of his epithets was Kronos Technophagos, which means Kronos child eater. But there were Christian apologist in the classical era who said, Well, of course, I mean, as Kronos, he swallowed his own children, according to the story, trying to prevent from being overthrown. Why would he not demand the sacrifice of his followers' children as well? What is the number one cause of death in this world? According to statistics for the last five years running, at least for the statistics I've been able to find, the number one cause of death on planet Earth is abortion.

Now, how is Molek Shemiyazah or Abadon Apollyon, same entity in Revelation 9 as he gets out of the bottomless pit, the angel of the bottomless pit? How is he still able to influence the world? Well, how does a mafia boss or a gang leader still influence action on the street? Minions, demons, perhaps, that can travel back and forth. So I go into a lot of that. And I might add, and I might add, they're clever, which means, you know, I was talking to a guy from one of the motorcycle clubs, and he was saying, you know, like,

this isn't the days of the mob where they're shooting people on the street. Those days are long gone. They've found new, clever ways to still have control of certain aspects. And when you bring up abortion or any other form, you know, it's like, well, how are they still, you know, sure minions, but they're found a different way in society of today to still have influence control over how certain aspects are played out. And I wonder, you know, I've wrestled with.

For me, there was this time in life where I was searching for answers. And answers come in many different forms. I what I mean by that is you know like just different people come out of the woodworks Christians came out of the woodworks for me but also strange weird people and I don't know demonic realm maybe

and when I when I started reading the Bible and praying it all went away I've shared this multiple times it's been like the most peaceful I've been and any time I get into the weird if I just pray about it, you know, I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ.

So that goes away. It's been something that I've shared maybe not enough, but I, you know, I'm not afraid of it either anymore. So it's just been something that in my life has been very noticeable. When it comes to the dark side of things, I wrestle with why do people do that? And yet I kind of know what the part of answer is. Well, it works.

I mean like you're going to get ahead and life. You might even get, certainly some are going to go down a very dark rabbit hole. All of them might go down, but it plays out in different ways. Would I be on the right track thinking that way? Yeah, I mean, it's a way to temporary success. You see this in the Psalms of David. We, in our Bible study, we've been all the way through the Bible once, and we're about halfway through the Old Testament again. And reading the chronological series that we do, In other words, you're interspersing the story of David's life with some of the Psalms that he's written. You can see there were times when he was really going through that dark night of the soul,

where he was asking God why the wicked seemed to prosper. But then expressing at the end of those Psalms that he understands a day is coming when there will be a reckoning for them. And so just praying for the perseverance to get through the world, get through until the Lord brings his judgment. There are people who will go to the dark side because of the promises that are made to them for rewards. But those rewards are always in the temporal realm,

wealth and fame and attractiveness to women or men or whatever. But again, those are all temporary things. We see this. In the book I wrote about, Islam and the spirits behind it, bad moon rising. When Muhammad changed his approach, he's just preaching and preaching, you know, good works and treating other people well to, you know, the revelation he had about after 10 years of preaching

and only really reaching his family, he changed course and started to declare that it was the will of Allah that they should raid camel caravans and keep all. the stuff you know if you raid it is he suddenly sacralized and he made it a holy calling to go steal from camel caravans and keep all the women and so suddenly if you're a hot-blooded young man who can wield a sword hey this is the best religion ever Allah is the greatest you know which is what Allah who Akbar means by the way go out steal stuff take the women and Allah will bless you for it but again all of those rewards are temporal Christianity is different and in Christ that

promises our ultimate reward is not in this time space continuum but in the next realm when we and again this gets back to first corinthians chapter 15 all about resurrection we will be resurrected into glorified bodies meaning this you know achy shoulder i've got the sore knee all of that stuff will be gone and we will be part of his new heaven and new earth that's where our ultimate rewards lie Derek, have you read the Quran? Bits and pieces of it. I've not read through the whole thing, no. I've read the works of those men who have made a study of the history of Islam

and Islamic eschatology to try to understand where it came from and where it's going. But I've not read the Quran directly, no. I've had a guest on a Muslim and talking about the Quran and how it references Jesus, references Abraham, an awful lot and I I guess where I sit is I'm I look at the the division that is being

created in the Canadian society right now with it being skin color or your faith etc and I'm like you know most people are good human beings they just want to treat their neighbor you know I don't know like nice

you know they don't want to go harm their neighbor, they don't want to do, certainly are there bad people in the world? Yeah, we both know that. The reason I bring him up, Faisal, was he came on and he talked, just, I've never read the Quran, I've only been told what mainstream narrative wants me to hear about Islam, essentially, and that's a very dark picture of what it is. He has positioned that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all on the same team, fighting the same thing. When you hear that, are you like, uh-uh, or where do you go with that mindset?

It's important to remember that Islam has as many divisions amongst its followers' adherence as Christianity does. So there are different interpretations of the Quran. You've got two main divisions, Sunni and Shia, who have fundamentally different ideas about who is qualified to lead the faith and how things will play out in the end times. When you look at Islamic history and how it has played out, it has always spread at the point of a sword. The reason the West is called the West is not because the center of power on Earth has moved to North America, Washington, New York, whatever.

it's because in the 8th century AD that's pretty much all it was left of christened them after the armies of Islam had poured out of Arabia and taken over the Levant, Persia, most of what is now Turkey, Anatolia, which was part of the Eastern Roman Empire at that point. North Africa crossed the Straits of Gibraltar and conquered most of Spain. In fact, if it wasn't for Charles Martel, the king of France, the Franks, in 732, 100 years, after the death of Muhammad defeating an Arab army at tours which is halfway between Paris and the English Channel France would have been overrun they may have crossed the English Channel and taken over England at that point in the in the eighth century so that is fundamentally different from the way Christianity spread which is through preaching the gospel oh what about the crusades well the crusades was a 400 year a reaction after 400 years of Islamic conquest to Muslim conquest and continued incursions into Europe. In 1682, the Polish king, Jan Sobieski, saved Vienna,

Vienna, Austria from an Ottoman army that had encircled the city and very nearly taken Vienna. Had it done so, the German principalities to the north, which were squabbling with each other because of the Reformation of Martin Luther, the Italy to the south, the Vatican would have been wide open for Muslim armies. You know, it's, there are, there are Muslims who do seek a peaceful life, and there are strains of Islam that are peaceful. But those who follow the teachings of Muhammad most closely are following in his footsteps. The Islamic State, for example, ISIS, they wanted to return to a purer form of Islam, the way it was practiced in the 7th century. and that is why they did what they did.

And this has been the case over the years where Sunni Islam in particular, who believes that any guy who can marshal enough weapons and men can declare himself the Mahdi, their version of the Messiah. This is a dangerous thing. Dr. Timothy Furnish, a friend whose degree, as Ph.D., is in Islamic eschatology,

points out that Machdism as a movement, which basically is something. Sunni Islam, the more violent strains thereof, they have had numerous claimants to the title of Makdi over the last 1400 years. And it's always been a violent, bloody conflict when one of them arises. The most recent iteration is the Islamic State, but there are numerous cases of this going back through history. Because we in the West are not taught history and our relations between Christendom and Islam, we look at their activities and say, well, it must be because they're oppressed.

They've got some sort of grievance or something. No, it's because this is their religion. We are heretics. We are unbelievers. And so they are commanded in their understanding of the teachings of Muhammad, which again is getting to the fundamentals of what Muhammad taught going back to his decision in the year 622 to start raiding camel caravans kill the men keep the women keep their stuff this is really the fundamentals of Islam now we we've been to Jordan several times interacting with Muslims there

very friendly people very warm people in fact the service at their hotels we would argue is even superior to what we experience in Israel but that you know that there are the radical even if only 1% of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims follow this violent stream of fundamentalist Islam. That's still, what, 16 million? An army of like 16 million that they could put on the field to try to carry out their goal of victorious global jihad. It is fundamentally a violent religion that believes that they must take over the world. Israel and its conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah right now. just on the front lines. I think it's very, I think it's ironic that Spain has recognized an

independent state of Palestine, given that Spain was under Islamic control for 700 years. And in the Muslim mind, once a land has been under Muslim control, it should always belong to the UMA, to Muslim control. So Spain, I don't know what you're thinking, but you need to go back and reread some of your own nation's history. Why is Palestine being an independent nation? I don't know. To me, you seem like a man who, and I hope I'm getting this right, as a guy who's done his reading,

it seems like he's read a lot into the histories of different parts of this. When you talk about Spain recognizing it, I understand the viewpoint of once upon a time they were conquered by the Muslims, and you see that connection. Why are you like they need to, what are you thinking? Expand, I guess, on that thought. With that, it is the goal of fundamentalist Muslims, violent Muslims. I won't say radical Islam because really violent Islam is mainstream fundamental Islam,

that Spain should be reconquered. It should be part of the UMA, you know, the Muslim world once again. Palestine has never been an independent nation. I've done a lot of reading on this because the rise of anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish sentiment among Christians since last October 7th, and Israel's response to that attack has really been shocking. Israel, the Zionist movement that began in the late 19th century as a reaction to anti-Semitic treatment, especially in Eastern Europe and Russia, but really all across Europe, even here in the United States, in the 19th century convinced prominent Jews that the only way they could protect themselves

would be to gather together. And because it didn't matter if they assimilated into European society, they were still being blamed for things and persecuted. And in Russia, especially after the death of the assassination of Tsar Nicholas II, or Alexander the second, excuse me, Jews were blamed because one of the 18 co-conspirators in his death was a woman with some Jewish heritage. So they blamed all Jews and suddenly Jews are being kicked out of cities left and right. And they wound up traveling to Palestine, which under the Ottomans was essentially a poor, impoverished desert land.

A 2,000 years of overgrazing had removed all the topsoil. It was dry, dusty, wasn't producing any crops. So Jews began moving there and buying land, overpaying for the land, draining the swamps in the northern part of the country, turning it into farmland. Then during World War I, you had the Balfour Declaration of 1916, which contrary to belief, just because it was handed to Baron Walter Rothschild in England, does not indicate that the Rothschild banking dynasty established Israel. Actually, when you start reading the true history of how Israel came to be, you find a distinct lactic mentions of the Rothschilds. They are not anywhere to be found in the actual on-the-ground work that was done to bring Israel into being. Except being handled or held, handed, geez, can't get it spit out here. Handed the Balfour decoration.

Which is a very important moment, yes? It was. And also contrary to belief, it was not the British government. unilaterally giving land that didn't belong to them because World War I was still ongoing and England was just one of the allied countries fighting the Ottomans and Austria-Hungary and Germany so the Balfour Declaration was written in conjunction with and with the approval of their French allies their Italian allies their Japanese allies and even Woodrow Wilson the US had not yet joined the war so

the Brits with the approval of the US France, Italy, even the Vatican, and Japan, who was, we kind of forget, they were part of World War I at the time, said, okay, here's, we support the idea of a national home for Jews in Palestine. Now, later, the Brits tried to walk that back because after 1930, the Arabs started discovering lots and lots and lots of oil, and British Petroleum wanted a piece of the action. So the Brits started walking, well, we didn't say the national home, and we didn't say it would be an independent country. So let's see if we can. But in the meantime, you had the League of Nations Charter, which said we want to give this land, what essentially is the modern state of Israel,

to the Zionists. But then they began cutting into that, and the 1967 borders is finally what was voted on with the 1947 United Nations mandate. And how that came to be as a whole story, I've done a two-hour presentation on that. A lot of behind-the-scenes, wheeling and dealing,

but again, didn't involve the Rothschilds. In fact, there were very powerful elements in the U.S. and U.K. that were opposed to the idea of an independent Jewish state because it comes right down to this.

The Arabs had lots of oil. The Jews didn't have any. So you got the bankers, the oilmen, the big industrialists like, say, Bechtel Corporation that's made billions of dollars constructing things for the Saudis and other Arab oil states. You know, the Arabs were opposed

to creating an independent. in a Jewish state. And so the American oilmen, the bankers who financed them, and other companies, U.S., UK, France, and yet Israel came to be anyway. But again,

the point is it was done with international consensus. The vote at the League of Nations 1922, the 1947 United Nations Charter. The only problem I have with that, I get the consensus thing, but it's like, okay, let's warp to today's world.

You look at, lots of different things going on throughout the world and who's the global superpower of the West? It's the United States. And some might argue all roads lead to London, right? And regardless, what I'm pointing, it's like, okay, sure, they're all at the table and they all get to cast a vote,

but when the United States does certain things, they all fall in line. Like, I mean, and heck half the time, not a half the time and even if they didn't fall in line I still think the United States would just bully into where they want to go that is probably the

thing that unnerves me the most right now is witnessing the United States be able to do as they want to do and in fact for the Canada it's been very beneficial because we're your neighbor or the friendly neighbor and you know we get a lot of

I don't know I guess protection is probably the thought that comes to mind so you go back you go back to the bell for their declaration you go back to you know everybody was there wow britain's sure they only put in one thing but everybody was there it's like yeah but i mean the same thing is true now as it was then as it was before that right is there is a powerful person sitting at the table or a powerful nation everybody for the most part that comes to that table is going to been instructed or have had previous conversations so when they sit down they know what's going going to happen you can take that

to the smallest, most minute community meeting all the way up to the largest of the world. I would encourage your audience to get their hands on a copy of a book called The Secret War Against the Jews by John Loftus and Mark Arons, who was published in 1994. The Deep State is not a recent development here in the United States. The Deep State has always existed. That book documents the... actions of members of the intelligence communities of the U.S. and UK in particular, but also France and Germany to a smaller degree, to circumvent the expressed intentions and will

of the government of the United Kingdom and the United States. Roosevelt and Truman were in support of creating an independent Jewish state, but there were very powerful members of their governments who did not. Specifically, I think the most prominent, probably the Dulles brothers, Alan and John Foster, but other members like James Forrestall, other members of the intelligence community, CIA, long-running CIA agent named James Jesus Ankelton, oilmen, the Rockefellers. Basically, what it came down to is in 1947, David Ben-Gurion, who was the leader of the Zionist movement by that point and the nascent Jewish community in what was in Palestine had to blackmail powerful men in the United States and the Soviet Union to get the votes needed in the United

Nation to establish the state of Israel. We all, I think, understand there were elements inside the United States that backed Germany in the 1930s who did not want their activities known and tried to keep them secret after 1944, when it became obvious that Germany was losing World War II. Alan Dulles was very prominent in setting up the rat lines with Angleton, moving Nazis and their money out of Germany

and getting into South America. Nelson Rockefeller of the Standard Oil of New Jersey family was very prominent in that. Later, Rockefeller became vice president under Gerald Ford, governor of New York for 14 years. Those men had to had to be told your activities will be exposed unless we get the votes we need, not just from

the United States, but from Central and South America. The Soviet Union had to be told, look, we know you have assets inside the Central Intelligence Agency and we'll tell the Americans if you don't get the Soviet block to vote our way, because Israel was on the verge of extinction. And this has been true until the present day. I mean, we like to think in America that we've been Israel's staunchest ally. Well, the fact is that in 1956, even 1948, 1967, 1973, we were actually backing the Arabs rather than Israel, not openly, but quietly. Israel was very nearly overrun in 1973. Had it not been for General Alexander Haig,

who was Nixon's chief of staff, operating on his own authority and against the wishes of Nixon and Henry Kissinger, who wanted to teach those uppity Israelis a lesson, let them get a bloody nose. Well, Israel was very nearly overrun, but Haig on his own authority, managed to send a shipment of tow missiles, which brand new development at that point. This was basically shoot a rocket out that trails out a length of copper line behind it, and it would change flight, depending on where you were pointing the rangefinder. 98% effective at taking out tanks. And they got a shipment of those

and had trained secretly a group of IDF soldiers at Fort Benning, Georgia, brought him over on a CIA plane, sent them back. And again, Hague doing this without the knowledge or consent of his boss, President Richard Nixon, basically turned the tide at a key battle in the Negev where the Egyptian tanks were about to overrun idea of forces and suddenly these missiles started blowing up Egyptian tanks left right and center.

Things like this that are not public knowledge because those involved would prefer to keep them secret. Again, I recommend that book, The Secret War Against the Jews. The United States has not been Israel's friend. The deep state has been opposed to the creation or existence of Israel since the very beginning. So when we see the United States basically subservient to Israel,

really it's the other way around. The Israelis are essentially subject to the whims and wills of whoever happens to be in the White House and then the deep state embedded inside the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency. What? that seems almost counter to the narrative or the discussion points of today, doesn't it?

Doesn't it, though? Yes. Well, I tell you, I appreciate you hopping on. I'm watching the clock and I'm going, if there's going to be a round two with Derek Gilbert, we'll line that up. But I appreciate you hopping on today, Derek, and giving me some time. And, well, I'll be paying attention to your work. And you'd mentioned a new book, and I should add in, where can people find you before I let you out of here? We are on, well, again, our website is gilberthouse.org.

We encourage people to get that app because of the ever-present danger of being canceled. But gilberthouse.org, you can find our app at gilberthouse.org slash app. Awesome. Thanks, Derek, for hopping on this morning. I appreciate it, Sean. Thank you.