Shaun Newman Podcast - #705 - Harrison Faulkner

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

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Would love to hear from all of you. Okay. Let's get on to that tale of the tape. He's a journalist with True North and host Raciote, a show where he discusses social and political issues in Canada. I'm talking about Harrison Faulkner. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast today.

I'm joined by Harrison Faulkner. So Mr. Faulkner, thanks for hopping on this side. Thanks, Sean. Thank you for having me. You know, I threw it, it was a harmless post, I think, about Canadian media. And I was looking for, you know, different shows that people thought were, I don't know, were. of their time in Canada specifically. And your name came up and I was like,

I don't know who that is. I have no idea who that is. And so, you know, of course, on Twitter, you can just click on you and find, all right, true north. I get it, okay. And I go, how is it that I've never had you on this side of things? And so I just extended the invite.

I'm happy you accepted. And with all that being said, maybe my audience knows exactly who you are. But I guess I just want to start with who the heck is Harrison Faulkner. and we'll see where we get to. Yeah, well, I guess I'll just begin. You know, I'm based in Toronto. The company I work for True North is one of the rising conservative media companies in Canada.

There aren't many of us. There's about a handful of conservative media companies, I would say. And True North is up there. We've got a really solid team of work of writers. And we have some podcasts as well. and I'm a reporter, commentator, I have a couple of shows. I do the ratioed podcast as well as the Faulkner show, an interview, like an interview show like this one we're doing right now, where I interview people who are experts in their fields and also people who are interesting in the news cycle at the moment.

So people might not know who they are, but if there's a new story, I want to bring on an expert to address that. and I have a journalism background. I am current, well, I was at Ryerson Journalism School, and then I dropped out right before the university changed its name. And, you know, after being a true for a few years, I've decided, you know what, I'm going to finish my degree. So I'm actually completing and finishing my journalism degree at Toronto Metropolitan University, as it's now called, very unfortunately.

And I've always wanted to be in media. I've always wanted to be in journalism. And so I've been very blessed to have the opportunity to pursue my career at True North. And that really brings me to where I am today, just covering stories and trying to be on the ground, talking to people. That's the kind of stuff I like to do the most. Forgive me, Harrison, for calling you on your age. But I am curious. How old are you?

I'm 25. 25. Okay. So I'm a decade older than you. I'm a little over that. I'm 38. And in parts of this business, 38 is young. 25 is certainly young.

And I don't mean that, no knock on anything. I was just kind of curious because, you know, like when you're growing up in Toronto, correct? Yeah. You know, and you go off to Ryerson. I mean, now Toronto metropolitan sounds very kind of boring, to be honest. Oh, yeah. Regardless, you know, what drew you to the conservative side of things? So like, I guess a guy who's younger than me, you know, in a country that seems to

want to go a different way and the conservative voice be a little bit, I don't know, extreme. I'm trying to think of the word that I should choose here. You know, extreme is the word that comes to mind, although I don't even know what that word means anymore. Well, exactly. What is it that drew you to this side of the aisle? You know, it's funny when I was growing up even younger, when I was in high school, at the beginning of high school, I was very liberal. I was quite progressive.

I was just kind of going along with what the mainstream media would tell me. I grew up in a very political family. We always had CBC and CNN on in the house. And I was growing up as I was watching those channels, that was during the Obama presidency. And it was very exciting time to be liberal and progressive. And so that was what I was up until around grade 10 or so. and my brother became quite conservative when he went up to university. He came back and he started telling me really about the other side of most of these debates that were taking place at that time.

Around, this would have been around 2015. So during Brexit and during the beginning of the Trump era, those were the two big events that really shook my political perspective the opposite way. Specifically, in particular Brexit actually, because I remember at the beginning of the Brexit campaign, I was watching the, those stories and feeling like obviously everybody wants to support the European Union. That's the, that's the, you know, that's the educated position to have. That's where the prime minister is. That's what, that's what the people, the establishment would like. Only the, only the, only the uneducated people would support, you know, leaving the European Union. But then I watched as that campaign grew and became successful. And I realized not only am I not being told the

truth about these organic populist conservative movements that are that are really being driven by well let's just call it what it is driven mostly by the energy of the working class in a way particularly brexit and trump movement and not only not being told the truth about them but the success in popularity is being completely suppressed and it was such a such a surprise to me to see the Brexit result go one way. And then, of course, that was also when the feminism debate was still being being waged in, at the beginning. So it was all that, you know, what do you want to call it?

It's so old now. I'm forgetting it's the wage disparity, feminism arguments. It was sort of the rise of, and the string of Islamic terror attacks that were taking place through Europe around 2015 and 16. each of these events shifted my political focus to become conservative and I just jumped two feet in head first rather actually into the conservative movement

and throughout that time I've always wanted to be in media so you know pursuing a career in media and wanting to become a voice in conservative Canadian media really was part of my ambition if you want to call it that from about grade 11 grade 12th do I surmise coming in the Faulkner household politics was something you talked about you know

am I right in in guessing that or surmising that off of what you're telling me you know it's funny when you said the thing that woke you up was Brexit I'm like that's a that's a first on this side of things I think folks maybe I'm wrong you know there's a lot of different stories that get told on here on how people start to see a narrative and and aren't being told about a lot of things. Brexit is, that might be a first for me on this side. So I go, you know, in your chats around the family dinner table, obviously politics was the mainstay, maybe not so much the Toronto Maple Leafs, or was there, was it both?

No, it was, it was both. You know, we, I, the reason why Brexit was particularly important is I've got British family. My father is English. And so, and we've got family still over there. So is a big deal. But don't get me wrong. We, we love our sports. sports is a big thing.

But yeah, yeah, politics dominates a lot of what we were talking about growing up and what we are conversations. Are you a Leaves fan? I'm a big Leaves fan, absolutely. I'm sorry for your... Oh, yeah, no, we go through the pain, but you know what, Sean, another season brings more hope, renewed hope, and it's always our year at the beginning. That's the way I look at it.

It is always your year at the beginning. And you know, the sports media sure like to paint that picture, too. It's the Leafs year. You know, I can't, you know, I joke with you. I'm a die-hard Oilers fan. And we came like, so close. Oh, yeah. And didn't win.

And I don't know what's worse. Making the finals and losing in game seven or, I don't know, just losing out in the first round, probably game seven, but it still hurts. So I tease. I tease. You're bad. It's too bad. You know, the thing about the thing about the Maple Leafs and just Toronto,

sports in general. Well, particularly the Maple Leafs, because there are other Canadian teams. And, you know, the Maple Leafs, I get the, I get the sense are really the most hated team in Canada. But the media, as you say, the media always play it up. They always make it sound as though it's going to be the leagues. The Leaves are going to have a chance this year. Do you know why the, well, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong on this. I'll give you my perspective on why we hate the Leafs. Yeah. Go ahead. You guys get preferential treatment on everything. It tries me nuts.

No, it's true. Prime time on a Saturday night, Leaves. You're like, don't get me wrong. I can watch the Leafs as much as anyone. But every once in a while, you know, there's some other teams that everybody would love to have in the prime slot. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a small town, Alberta.

Wow, Saskatchewan, Boy, now Alberta. And we'd love to see the Oilers at prime time every time. And, you know, I get it. Viewership, money, blah, blah, blah. But it always comes back to the Leafs. You get dominated in everything. When it comes to sports talk shows, Leafs. When it comes to prime time, Leaves.

It's like, okay, it's how they win something? I don't know. Nobody cares what Austin Matthews is doing in the summer. Yeah, the only thing I'd say is this. I think that if a Canadian team were to win the Stanley Cup, it would completely change the direction of hockey. I feel as though hockey, it's kind of, it's not getting the same attention as the other major sports.

And it also feels like the referees and the league always prefer American teams to do well. I can't argue with that. Yeah, it doesn't seem as though hockey is really on the same kind of rise as basketball is. But if a Canadian team were to win, it would change the direction of the sport across the world. But I also think if the Toronto Maple Leafs were to win the Stanley Cup,

people would be absolutely shocked at the reaction across the city. It would make the Raptors winning the NBA, championship in 2019 look like a junior sports a junior sports accomplishment i really believe that it would be unbelievable the leaves win the leave the leaves win the cup and i hope for tronel folks it happens okay i really do i hope the others do it first i yeah like but if the leaves win you know i'm always you know anytime there's a big drought i remember watching the cubs when they're first and over a hundred years and just thinking like i can't imagine being a fan base and not seeing your team win like imagine the amount of faith.

But here's what I'll say about it, the Leafs ever to win. I don't think I could turn the TV on for a solid year. Like it would just be insane. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. You wouldn't. It just be, come on. Oh, yeah.

It's always nice to talk. Just a smidge of sports. I mean, today, as it sits as we record this, we just signed dry saddle back to eight years at 14 million for, you know, the next eight years. So I'm, uh, you know, as an Oilers fan, I'm rather excited. going back to the kitchen table. You know, getting involved in conservative media, you probably had your thoughts. How many years have you been at it now, Harrison?

So it's been four years. I got started at post-millennial, which is a company some of you may know about. I got started there just doing their social media side. I was working with two other young guys. We were all similar in age, and we were tasked with, you know, finding putting up the tweets making some memes and uh clipping videos and that was my first sort of foray into it and um while i was at school i reached out to the uh to andrew lawton and to kandis at true north and said you know i'm studying journalism i want to be a part of this project um and so i got

i got involved 2020 would it have been it would have been 2021 june so yeah that it's been four years altogether, over three years now at True North. And it's been quite exceptional to see the rise of conservative media. And I think the Freedom Convoy, as I talk about this with a lot of people, the Freedom Convoy was what put a lot of these digital conservative media outlets in Canada on them and exploded our collective reach. It really created a lot of careers. And I feel like I've been, I was lucky enough to be one of those, one of those individuals that was able to really get my start off of the rise and the, and that Freedom Convoy movement. You went and documented the convoy then?

Yes. Yeah. Walk me through this because, you know, you're from Toronto. You hear this, I'm just going to summarize and then by all means you just dice it up. You hear this movement coming from mainly the western part of Canada, but I mean, as we all though that wasn't where all the trucks or people for that matter came from. But, you know, the longest stint of the journey came from Western Canada across the frozen, you know, just insane weather to end up in Ottawa. Your journey from Toronto to Ottawa, which isn't that far, how many, how many hours would that be?

Oh, I took a flight and it was, it was an hour. Oh, like 40 minutes, yeah. Yeah, when you're heading there, before you see anything, do you have a good sense of what this going to be or you, you know, have you, have you tuned into CBC or anything like that? And you're kind of like, like, crap. This could be a pretty wild time. Oh, yeah. So I remember when the, the, when the freedom convoy kicked off, I believe it was a Sunday. The first cars that were driving out of British Columbia was a Sunday. And I was on social media. I was on Twitter. Saw the clips go. On the Monday, I began from that point on for the next, I think it was around 32 days.

From that second day, I started writing, sort of, I picked up a project which was basically like writing a diary of the Freedom Convoy from where we were. I was just taking all the social media clips and creating a daily recap of what was going on and kind of allowing Canadians to follow along on the written side. And we sent, True North sent Andrew Lawton out on the first weekend to go and see everybody when they landed in Ottawa, when they got to Ottawa. And on that weekend, I remember we had our team working around the clock, working from wherever we were in the country, to pull clips to do edits, and to really get as much content as we could. And I could just feel the week leading up to it, the fact that it was all over Fox News. It was all over the U.S.

news, the U.K. news. It was dominating everything. And I really hadn't been given much of an opportunity in terms of putting myself out there on camera, doing video work. And I basically just begged my bosses to send me out there to be a part of it so I could report on it on the ground. And sure enough, they sent me out. And I got there on the first, really the first week they were in. I got there on the Wednesday. I was supposed to go home on, what was it? on Saturday morning early.

And I woke up on Saturday and I said, you can't send me back now. I got to stay for the weekend at least. That's where the people really start to, that's when the people started to really show up in Ottawa. And I was just doing video work, documenting what I was seeing, interviewing people. And it really took off.

It really took off just like everything that was produced during that time. And from that point on, when I came back home, I was still doing the daily recaps. of the Freedom Convoy up until everything was shut down by the police on that Sunday several weeks later. But yeah, I really knew right away, Sean, that this was going to be a special moment in Canadian history, that the Canadian people had been pushed too far. And in our very Canadian way, we as a country, we're going to do something special and do something that would make a stand. And it

worked. You know, that's another thing that people don't really look back on, I think, with enough clarity, which is the fact that it was a success. It was a remarkable success. It got all the provinces essentially to fall in line and it started the dominoes of everything crumbling, all those regulations crumbling. And it inspired the world. So really, it was, it was one of the greatest things, one of the greatest things to be a part of. Being a part of True North, I'm curious. You know, like you're in this grouping of of media. When you are around, like do you run into CBC,

CCTV, global, I don't know, you could probably fill in about seven others. Yeah. Do you get in like scrums with them and do they talk to you? Are they annoyed by you? Or is it just working?

And there's no big deal and they're wonderful human beings. And I just have my ideas wrong. You know, I think some of them really are good guys, really good people. And when we go out and do, protest coverage. That's one of the things I do in Toronto. There's always protests

happening. There's always events going on. And I and my videographer, we go and cover those events. And we always see the mainstream media. For example, I'll give you this example on Saturday, rather, at the Canadian Air Show, there was

a pro-Palestine protest taking place. And the only media that was actually there was True North and CBC journalists. And we did our job of trying to approach the media liaison of the protest and other people to speak with us. They immediately said, no, you know, saw it off. You know, we're not going to talk to you.

And then they went and went and had interviews with the CBC. So we don't do a lot of chat. That's one thing I will say. It's not like we are pals with the mainstream media. I won't out some of them. But there are those that have come up to me and said that they privately enjoy the work. They know what we do, and they're actually serious about their jobs and they enjoy our work. But, you know, Sean, we don't pretend to be something that we're not.

We don't hide our biases. We know we're conservative media. We're not presenting ourselves like some mainstream media as if we're straight down the middle when we all know they're not. In particular, that's the case of the CBC, pretending to be journalists that are completely fair when we know they're not. We don't take that approach. we are conservatives. That's who we say we are. And anyway, just not to get to sidetrack, to answer a question,

we're not that, we're not that close. We're not, you know, buddy, buddy. But it is possible sometimes that we do chat with each other. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't think chatting with people is all of a sudden, the Cardinal Senate. It's interesting to me to hear that the pro-Palestine protest or the protesters, yeah, look at you as though we can't talk to you,

go talk to CBC, because my memory of, the freedom convoy is whenever a CBC, heck, even I had a hard time at the very beginning riding along on the way out there of like, they were pretty iffy about anyone who said their media in any form or shape. And so it's interesting to understand that they feel like their cause, their protest would get a bad shake from different media. You know, that's like, that's, that's an interesting, interesting, just obviously. You know, in, in your short career, you know, you've got as long a career as this guy sitting on this side. Heck, you're longer. What has surprised you about being out on the street and talking to people? I watched your segment. And I, before I allow you to answer, I guess, I watched your segment on the immigration in Toronto. And some of the responses on the street were very interesting to me. You know, like, it wasn't exactly what I thought I was going to hear out of talking.

to the people of Toronto on illegal immigrants getting permanent residency. And you can certainly tell the story better than I can. But what has been, you know, an eye opener for you? Is it that story? Is it others? Feel free. Well, I would say that we do a lot. I in particular try to do a lot of man on the street type videos.

I really do enjoy getting the common person that would just walk past you on the street to talk about issues that are in the news cycle that are interesting to people. and that particular video you're talking about asking Toronto residents if they agree with their own city government that illegal immigrants should be given permanent residency and that all that entails which is eventually citizenship. The one thing I will say is covering protests both protests I personally agree with

and those that I disagree with and talking to people and hearing people speak about things I totally disagree with. I have been I have been pleasantly surprised by the knowledge and intelligence of people. And, you know, I think that if you spend a lot of time on social media, you read comments, you read comments on YouTube and all that. Of course, there are lots of great comments. And then there's just a lot of stuff that is just not very useful. And you can easily get into a cycle of thinking, especially in this line of work, I feel, the line of work that I'm in,

into thinking that, you know, there are experts, and then there's the audience. But when you go out and talk to people, you realize actually that there's a lot of things that I don't know, obviously, and there's a lot of interesting viewpoints that the average person has, which are far more complex and nuanced than how it is presented to the general public. So I would say that that kind of reminds me, of course, that in many cases, they're smarter than I am on these issues. But many people just do different jobs and they're not, you know, in the commentary business. Other thing I will say is that people generally at a protest in particular aren't as inclined as it would maybe some people would think to have their voice. and have their ideas challenged and their own voices heard.

They like to go to a protest and yell and scream. But when the camera is on them and someone is genuinely asking them to provide, not questions pushing, but simply just to provide the audience that is watching our show with an understanding as to what brought them out to that protest, they don't actually want to speak. That's for a number of reasons. I think one of them is fear of retaliation.

you know, being politically involved can have an impact on your job and your image. And certain issues are more controversial than others, certainly. But also, I think it comes generally from just being stuck in a silo, an information silo through social media and not actually getting to experience other people's opinions. I think we're all guilty of that because that's just the way social media is set up. So by going out on the street and speaking to people and hearing them tell me, for example, that they do believe that immigration rules are racist. And for example, that, that the immigrant, you know, they believe that Canada's immigration

system prioritizes white people and, and Eastern Europeans over Indians, for example. Well, I don't necessarily agree with that at all, but it's backed up with at least some argument and it's interesting. So that's what I, that's how I would answer that question. question. Well, one of the things that, uh, I think is interesting about talking to the working man or, or, or going and facing them on a street is you never know what you're going to get. Like, um, it's, it's a complete, like, I guess the word I would use be an adventure, because you have no way of scripting that. Yep. You have no idea if the guy with

long hair and a big giant beard is also going to rock your socks with a great answer. You're like, holy crap. I did not see that coming, right? And that's what's wonderful about being the street or or having these impromptu interviews uh you know when i think of going to a protest um go back to what we were talking about with with with the convoy and how they wouldn't talk to cbc and how the pro-palistinian protest wouldn't talk to you one of the things that would be tough in your realm is uh whether it's true north or rebel or i don't know out here western standard i'm trying to think of a few others that I'm forgetting, but I mean, there's a handful. When you show up to something that pro that's pro Palestine, the narrative has already been set

on why you're there. And I can understand why they show hostility, even though I think, you know, it's such a absurdity, but they believe, you know, what you're telling me is, they believe the same thing I think of the CBC, that they're there to take a scripted story, put it out, and that that's what's going to happen, and that they won't get a fair shake. And I find, that uh that's a really interesting because the whole point of i think don't quote me on this maybe i'll get a whole bunch of uh people text me sam i'm an idiot but like the whole purpose of what i do or i think or i hope true north and and places like rebel is they dig into things and they're supposed to give although you're conservative you're let like i don't see that video edited to the

point where you know i can't tell what the person's saying i might not agree with it as you say but it's not there to, I don't think it's there to incite anything from the conservative audience. Does that make sense? Am I explaining that right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think in a way, I can't fault people for recognizing that we don't support their cause because I don't support their cause. But I also, as you point out, have a job to do and their reputation to uphold and know that, I know that, I know that, people will judge me. And it's interesting too

because our audience is not a monolith. Whenever I've done pro-Palestine report and protests, there are a lot of people in our comments who are subscribers who are sympathetic to that cause and don't appreciate and sometimes don't appreciate the way that we approach reporting on those stories.

And I think that that's important to stress too. But at the same time, you know, it is almost two sides of the same coin because of the freedom convoy side, yes, the legacy media, yes, the legacy media were going to not really give any of those protests a fair shake and many of them were right to be skeptical of that reporting. I do believe that actually there's a lot of argument, there were a lot of sound arguments to be made during the freedom convoy,

regardless of whatever questions a global news journalist might throat eat. And I think that it's important that you're going to have both sides. Because at these pro-Palestine protests, the CBC won't exactly ask them any tough questions or even any questions that get them to talk about their side with a little bit more scrutiny than a puff piece. But at that protest on Saturday, there were a bunch of obviously pro-Palestinian journalists wearing the kaffia and waving the Palestinian flag with cameras and microphones, and they were there to report. And so, you know, there's always going to be two sides of this.

There's always going to be two sides. We know our audience. We know what we have to do. We know the job we have to do. But we've not been accused of editing our videos to a degree that we're misleading our audience just to try to fulfill a narrative. Thank you. You spit it out better than I did.

Yeah. I was trying to say exactly. and I couldn't find the words. I'm like, why can't I find the words? There it is. Bingo. What do you think, what do you think, Harrison, you know, you're a younger than guy than me. Are you married? I am, yes. Recently married. Just got married at the beginning of August. Well, congratulations. Any kids? Sorry? Any kids? Not yet. No. Okay. So you're a recently married man with no kids. I'm curious what you look at in Canada today

as like one of the biggest issue. You don't have to stick to one. You can certainly, if you think it's a couple i'm curious from your eyes you're you know when i look at this conversation you got a westerner who's married with three young kids and now i got an easterner who's recently married no kids and i'm curious what you find to be the biggest issues can to face i you know i'm genuinely curious wow yeah i mean from my reporting people would say people would think that i would say immigration and i think really that is the biggest political issue right now. It is the biggest issue that needs to be solved. But I do believe, and as you, you kind of hinted at it, I don't have kids, but I actually believe that the birth rate in Canada is one of our, one of our biggest

societal issues. It is one of the, it is one of those issues that people are afraid to address. There's a very strange political, political climate around the debate of, of, of the birth rates and of demographics. But I think that, you know, the immigration debate and the demographic debate are ones that kind of blend together in a way and are extremely important. You know, for example, the birth rate in Canada continues to decrease. It is well below replacement. And in order to solve our demographic problems, the government has resorted to opening the borders,

opening the borders to record numbers of people, particularly young people, and you have to think about it. Once you do that, once that is your decision as a government, it is a never-ending problem. You have to keep opening up the borders once you've decided that that's going to be the approach. Because if you give those people you've just welcomed into the country, permanent residency, and eventually citizenship, well, they're going to end up relying on the social, safety net, which is being prompted by the people you're burning in. So you're creating an endless cycle of problems. However, if you choose to take a different and you say that actually

we are going to as a country change our social policies in a direction that incentivizes young Canadians, young adults to get married, to have children and to grow families in this country, you're not only solving some of the social cohesion problems that we are starting to see in our communities. You're starting to, while you're creating more Canadians. And you are creating an organic population growth that is sustainable, that is normal, and not a synthetic population boom like we're seeing right now. So really, I wish I could just pick one. But I think the one that gets the most attention is immigration.

The most important issue that gets very little attention is our declining birth rate. And that is one that I think deserves the attention that it is not getting. So as of 2021, now forgive me, folks, I don't have the current stats. I'm just going off what Google can spit me as we're talking here. 1.43 births is what it was at in 2021. And replacement, I think everybody knows, but replacement is to 2.1 rate in that range. And so when you talk about it's under replacement rate, that's what you're alluding to in case anyone was curious. If you were sitting there, you know, you're the prime minister of Canada or maybe you're the premier of Ontario or whatever position you think.

How do you, how do you encourage, you know, an increase? Because when I look at it, since 19, this graph shows since 1960, it has been steadily, steadily declining. and it declined hard between 1960 and 1970, and it's been a slow, steady decline ever since. Well, I would say that the first order of business, in my opinion, would be to basically almost put the biggest significant cap on immigration possible. And the reason I say that is because housing affordability needs to be, in line with

demand. Housing. So right now, for example, we're bringing in millions of people every year and the number of new houses are decreasing. The housing starts are decreasing, which is just unbelievable to think about. And that makes the price for housing out of control.

So what you need is you need to be able to get a grip on the housing situation and at least put the prospect of housing within five years of a young, young Canadian, young adults' life. And then there needs to be generally a societal mindset shift on this issue. In particular, I think young women are encouraged in many ways to put off home building and pursue careers. and put your home building at the back end of your early, early careers. And many people believe that, you know, they want to just, they want to be able to, you know, live a life that they want to have without actually

having children. They want to be able to, you know, spend money on themselves. And we're not really, I don't think, I don't think, people are telling young adults how important children are in, in your life. And I don't have children. So, I mean, but I've heard. Harrison, children are really important. Absolutely. That's what I've heard from so many people.

And I think that we're not giving those lessons to people. Instead, we're giving them the opposite lesson. And we're promoting a lifestyle that is not in line with home build and having children and promoting positive families. So there's an economic aspect and there's a societal aspect to it. You need to promote a certain, you need to promote. out a lifestyle that drives positivity and makes people want to pursue having a family. But you also need to set the conditions right because young Canadians who are unable to break into even the rental market, let alone the housing market, but the rental market

are not going to be as successful in a dating pool. They're not then. They're not going to be as successful finding a wife or a husband for marriage. And what happens then? Well, they're not going to be in a position to have children. And so there's two ways to go about this. You have to change the cultural mindset of young Canadians, I believe, to promote this. But we also have to make it known that the government is going to be there for people and they are incentivized to do this. You know, one of the things that has worked in Eastern Europe is, especially in Hungary for

exam where they've had, they had one of the lowest birth rates in all of Europe, and they're still well below replacement, but they are rising. Many countries are still decreasing, but Hungary is raising, is raising its birth. And the way that they've gone about doing this is they've basically said that a woman who has three or more children, I believe it's three or more, I may be wrong about this, but I believe it's three or more, will not pay any income tax. And frankly, I think may not pay any tax for the rest of her life. And that can have a big impact, a positive impact on raising a family. So there are many ways to do this, but there's no political will.

Here's, I believe it's four. I'm just going to pull up a quick article here. It says Hungary's prime minister has announced a raft of measures aimed at boosting the country's declining birth rate and reducing immigration, giving his annual state of the address this a while back. Prior minister Orban announced a seven point family protection action. plan designed to promote marriage and families. Measures announced including waivers on personal income tax for women raising at least

four children for the rest of their lives and subsidies for large families to buy larger cars. The action plan also extend a loan program to help families with at least two children to buy homes. Every woman under 40 will also be eligible for a preferential loan when she first gets married and then it carries on. This is a while back. I'm just, what is this? This is 2019 when this was first published, right?

This is when you say the rates are inclining, you know, I had Daniel Smith or premier Daniel Smith on here and she talked about doubling the population of Alberta. And it kind of like caught me off guard. And then what my audience said was, why doesn't she take, you know, if you want to increase the population, okay, fine. Why don't you incentivize your current population to do things that make sense? Because, you know, I got three kids. I can tell you raising them is not cheap.

but I don't think we're doing anything outlandish. And I watch families who have one or two, and one of the common things that gets said, I love to have more, but I just don't know if we can afford it, right? And especially in today's economy, having children, although the greatest blessing of a man's life,

and women's for that matter, I understand at times when younger folks or even older folks said, like I just, I couldn't afford to do it or, you know, I had to, you know, I had to make the decision between a lifestyle and having children and putting aside everything I wanted. And some of those are like, you know, sitting on this side, I'm glad I've chosen the path

I've done. But I understand some of the concerns. And when you don't have leadership doing things to help incentivize that, you can see where things get to. And you're bringing up Hungary is case in point. You know, I'd just be curious to see what happens if a new, federal government led by Pierre Polyev just starts talking about this issue more and actually just raises this into the social conscience of the country. Just start talking about it as if it is a problem

as serious as it really is because it's not one of those things we can just pretend doesn't exist. You know, it's not one of those issues we can just kind of push away to the side and say, oh, you know, it's not a big deal. No, no, if this trend keeps going, we're not going to be, we're not going to have anything that really unites Canadians because there won't be any multi-generational Canadians. It's really, it's really something that I think people should be concerned about. And it's easy for this, this conversation to enter into territory that is politically uncomfortable. And I understand them. But that doesn't mean that political leaders shouldn't address it. It actually, in my opinion, means that they should grab this issue by the

horns, set the parameters of the discussion and of the debate around demographics in this country, and lead us towards, you know, a future that is going to be good for us. I believe, you know, I believe it was Elon Musk who quoted the tweet saying, or it was a tweet that he said, and we'll talk about it, demographics is destiny. And we have to understand what that means. It's not about race. It's not about any of that. it's simply about how your country is going to progress into the future.

And I believe this is a major issue. I really do. And it's, I think one of those things that just, that's sideline and it really shouldn't. Well, I mean, in my mind,

the family is the building block of society. I don't think that's an extreme, extreme thing to say whatsoever. And the things that are being taught or being showcased on a national level, heck, maybe even a global level, go completely opposite of the family. Right? Like, you know, taking case point. I'm curious, you're a young guy, just entered into marriage. I'll say congratulations again. And you have a prime minister who's divorced. Does that matter? Do you think that matters whatsoever?

It does to me. I really do. I really think it does. I think that symbolically it's very important. Actually, I find this to be an interesting conversation because I think there's a lot of, I think symbolism matters. And this is one of those aspects. I think that I think it's very good that the prime minister has, I believe it's three children. I think it's very important for a war leader. Three or two? Two? I believe, is it just two? I thought that he had two sons and a dog. I've got to look it up. How many? But regardless, you know, I think that those things matter to me. And I think that even if the marriage between the prime minister and his and his ex-wife was in a bad place, I think that for the country, you keep it together. Dang it. Sorry, I got to interrupt. You're right. It is three. Why do I always think it's two? That's interesting to me.

Okay. Well, there you go. Sorry to interrupt. Carry on. No problem. I just think that the prime minister and Sophie Trudeau should have kept their marriage together while he was prime minister. And I think that ultimately, if your family is suffering so much, then you have to do what you need to do to take care of your family and your children and raise your children in a household with a mother and a father under the same roof. And, you know, as you're, as you're talking, I used to hold, I still do. I still love, you know,

one of my favorite NFL players all the time is Tom Brady. I, for most people, I don't see how that can't be in your conversation. Because the way the man played the game, how he talked around the game, on and on and on. And then he got divorced. And I'm just like, you know, whether or not it's true. And somebody will probably text me the actual story or at least something to think on. But, you know, one of the things I'd heard back then was that, you know, his wife was basically upset. He was going back for another year and, and people were upset with her.

And I'm like, no, as the man, you know, if it's when you're 22, I get it, right? And he's playing in the, you know, but it's the opposite. He's sticking on. He's already won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, right? He's cemented himself as the greatest quarterback, probably of all time, you know, and once again, there can be an argument had there. I know sports fans. but you know you look at it and he's got everything and then he gets divorced to play another year now maybe I'm oversimplifying I'm sure I am but I look at that and I go what you're saying about

Justin Trudeau is if it's that bad sacrifice the career to hold your family together don't sacrifice your family to have the career and it's one of the things I think is very that's a very powerful statement because on this side if if you're putting your career or different things in front of your family, that's where your family goes to fall apart. And that's what you see in society over and over again with lots of different things. This goes back to your earlier comment on, are we pushing whether be women into the workplace too fast instead of not too fast, but more that over motherhood, you know? And that's an interesting discussion. And it's it's not that you don't want women working. No, of course. By any stretch of the imagination, it's that what are the tradeoffs of a woman

working full time, many or as many or more hours than what the husband is doing and what ramifications does that have on the household. And at the start, you go, well, no, women need to need to be able to work. I agree. I'm not going to like that. They'd be silly to say anything of that. But what are the, what is the, you know, what are the effects of having that play out on society when now they work as much, if not more in some cases? And, you know, when you talk about symbolism, and I'm speaking, I'm talking a lot here. But when you talk symbolism with Trudeau, I was very interested in your answer because as a young guy,

I'm like, do you see what's going on as much as I see what's going on? Because what I want out of a leader is, you know, frankly, Steve Eisenman. I want him to sit there, take all the criticism, be stoic, have a family, and hold that above all else, you know, maybe toss a little, look at a God in there, wouldn't be a bad idea, you know, and I don't want it to be fake. I truly want that to be my leader. and yet we can find it in the NHL.

We can't find it on the national stage, and I have never understood that. Yeah, I think it's really important. I think that especially a world leader, take Justin Trudeau, for example, since we all know, we all know the situation very well. You want, you really want someone like Justin Trudeau to believe in God and believe in a higher power

as a personal check. to know that he is, he is watching Justin Trudeau and he is judging Justin Trudeau. And he cannot just do what he wants because he needs, he needs to know that he is not, and you want people like that, like the President of the United States, to fear God. Because that is an ultimate check on your power and on your authority and to judge you. And, you know, I really wish that we had a standard. for leadership in this country and generally in the West, that was at a much higher level than it is now. Take it all, just think about this for a minute.

The way that world leaders address the people, the way that they carry themselves and the way that they dress, I believe all these things matter. The standard of speaking has fallen off a cliff over the past 20,000. 30, 40 years. The ability to address people has fallen off the cliff. You know, there's no real comparison between, for example, let's just say what it is, let's just call what it is, Pierre Trudeau and Justin Trudeau with the way that they spoke, the speeches that they give, the words that they use, and the way they carry themselves. And a lot of the time you see Justin Trudeau and he doesn't present himself in a very

prime ministerial way, does he? You know, he's got he's got the sleeves rolled up. He doesn't really wear the tie very often in public. And these are small things. I understand they're small things. But small things matter. Exactly. And they all present an image.

And when you are that, when you're in that position, I want to see the prime minister act like a prime minister. And I want to see MPs act like MPs as elected representatives of an area in our country because it matters a lot. and because the House of Commons matters a lot and the office that they hold matters. All of these things matter. And when you neglect those small things, it all starts to fall apart

and it presents, it presents not just an image, but an attitude that the country looks at that is being delivered by their leader. So what does that, what does that mean for general society? Well, that's the standard being set by the top. Young people are going to look at that and say, well, that's the prime minister.

This is the way to behave. This is the way to look and dress and carry ourselves and speak. The way Justin Trudeau speak, it's awful. It really is that condescending tone, that use of the, that affect that he has. Like he's speaking down to people. It is just horrendous. And it's not like he delivers good, you know, historic speeches on any issue at all. What are your friends, you know, what is your age group in general out east?

Think of Justin Trudeau because one of the things I can't seem to figure out. You know, don't get me wrong. I see the polls. I see where Pierre is pulling. I see that the NDPs dropped. I see the liberals of, you know, falling off a cliff. And yet there's still people that are interested in things that Justin Trudeau talks about. And I'm like, well, obviously there must be things happening out east that are different

than out west, certainly. What is your age like, you know, you sit around and talk to your friends, Harrison? Yeah. I hate it sounding like I just see you as a guy who's almost 20 years younger than me, you know, 15 years younger than me. And I just see a different age demographic, a different stage of life. And I'm just curious. What do they say when you're talking to them?

Do they care? Well, I have not been able to find someone my age, in particular guys my age, who have any time for Justin Trudeau at all, who would have supported him and would have liked them and found Andrew Shear and Aaron O'Toole to be. fringy and annoying and not worth the office of prime minister. They would have supported Justin Trudeau. Now they can't stand it. Everybody that I speak to, everybody.

So I'm clear there. I want to make sure I heard that correct. They found O'Toole and sheer cringeworthy. They would support Trudeau. Now they're like, Trudeau's got to go. We're in with Pierre. Did I hear that right? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Because I think also, you know, If it makes you feel any better, the West thought O'Toole was about as cringe-worthy as it got. Yes. And with Shear, I can't speak for everybody, but I thought we were getting a heavyweight fighter, and it wasn't that, you know, and we saw it play out as he dealt with Justin Trudeau on the debates and probably a whole bunch of other things.

And now you see Pierre in there and you feel like you've got a little bit more of a punch with him. And certainly he's talking the language of a lot of what. people want to hear. Certainly. And I also think, you know, the reality is the country was not in as bad a position, I believe, as it is now back, obviously during Andrew Shears reign as leader and Aaron O'Toole's short time as leader of the conservative party. Obviously, the pandemic happened with Aaron O'Toole, and it was a really bad situation. But Aaron O'Toole obviously was never, never had any chance or capability of being a leader, which I find disappointing because I actually volunteered for Arrow No Tools leadership campaign back in 2020 and 2021. I was, I was duped. I was, I was, I was lied to in a way

by him and by his leadership campaign, but that's a different, different topic. Anyway, point, is people do not like Justin Trudeau where I live. None of my friends like Justin Trudeau. A lot of my friends grew up and live in Toronto. We've grown up in here our whole lives. We can't stand the guy. We're tired. Canadians are tired of the talking down to and the attitude that he has and his way, I believe, of being a leader. I think a lot, so much of politics now is kind of politics by,

they're calling it politics by vibe. But really, it's just politics by feeling. And what does a guy like, how does a guy like Justin Trudeau make you feel? Versus how does a guy like Pierre Pauly have make you feel? That makes you feel. And also, how does the state of the country? make you make you feel it's not really policies anymore it's more just about general gut feeling and instinct so i think the time of trudeau is over and that's also natural right it's going to be 10 years

of justin trudeau or just about and that's about as long as prime ministers get these days almost all provincial governments and federal governments get voted out and rarely voted in they get their chance their Canadian people give them their time even if they keep making mistake And then when it's, when you're about nine years, then you go. It's about the same time for Stephen R. I believe Harper had nine years. And the Canadians gave him, gave him his time. Just like Trudeau, I believe Harper got one majority government.

And the rest of it was minority government. And that's just like what Justin Trudeau has been given. And Trudeau will be voted out. Pierre Pahliav has picked, he's got great political instinct, to know when to jump into the race. to know the right time. If you recall, people wanted Pierre Pollyup to become leader before Aaron O'Toole became leader or during that leadership election,

and he didn't run. He chose to avoid running for leadership back then, 2020. He waited, picked the right time. He could kind of feel that Trudeau was running out of steam, and he's got it in the right position, right time, and it's almost certain that he'll win. So I think it's more of the fact that people are done with Trudeau. then they will be in favor of Pierre Paul yet.

Well, I tell you what, it's been, it's always interesting to hear somebody on the other side of the country talk about some things and hear their thoughts. You being a few years younger than me, I hate to keep pointing that out. I don't mean to do that in a slight or anything. I just find it fascinating because most 24-year-olds, 25-year-olds on this end, you know, I just,

I don't know how much I talk to them about politics. So I find it fascinating to hear somebody clued in, and watching the same thing play out on this side. You know, when the liberals lost this, I think it was May, May, June, Toronto, St. Paul, that's end of shockwave through your ranks, or was that scene coming? Because that was a narrow freaking margin. Well, it was a shock because I used to live in that riding. I grew up in that riding.

And, you know, we know it well. And so to see it go to the conservatives is remarkable. It is a huge dagger to the liberals. And I think it's the end, obviously. That to me is the end for Trudeau. And I'm surprised he's been able to hold off the wolves circling around him right now. I'm surprised he hasn't stepped aside. I'm surprised he hasn't taken a long walk and decided, you know what?

It's my time to go. Yeah, and you know what? This is an important, it's kind of an important thing, kind of going back to putting your family over your career. And I've said this to a few people that I genuinely do feel bad for, this is going to sound crazy, but I do, I feel bad for Trudeau's family and for his children in particular, actually, because Canadians despise Justin Trudeau more than they probably dislike anybody ever in this country. He's probably one of the most disliked Canadians ever. If you go back in the western, on the western side of Canada, the only name that comes close is his father. Right. And it didn't start out that way, right? There was a lot of excitement for Justin Trudeau at the beginning.

And it was good for the country. I think at the very, very beginning, it quickly got really, really bad. And he's been holding on and holding on for, and for what reason I'm not quite sure. He's reached the mountaintop of Canadian politics. He's reached the level set by his father

and that will never be said again by someone in his family. Unfortunately, well, unfortunately for them, fortunately for Canada. But I feel like this has done a lot of damage to his family. He lost his wife. His kids are going to grow up

with the, with the, decades of of hate that Canadians will hold on to against their father. And it didn't need to be this way. It just, it didn't need to be this way. And it's not good for the country. And it's not good for them. And it's really unfortunate. I really think that it could have gone, it could have gone better for everybody involved.

When you go back to 2015 and you said, and I, forgive me, I'm paraphrasing, it was a good thing for the country when he got elected. What, what do you think was good about it? Like at that point in time, what sticks out to you're like, I thought it was good because of X? Well, I mean, the only reason why I think it was good was, well, first of all, this doesn't make it good or bad, but it was inevitable, right? He was always, once he became the leader, he was going to win. It was an opportunity for Canada to have a young, charismatic leader that would put us on the world stage. and it gave us an opportunity to be a country that got to kind of increase our standing

amongst the other nations around the world. But then within a few weeks, I think other world leaders and the rest of the world kind of realize that he's not really the smartest guy. He doesn't really know what he's doing. And it's all a facade. So none of it actually was, none of it was going to work out. But there was an opportunity there, I think, because also there was a lot of excitement, right? there was a lot of excitement at the time for for him at least where I was living people are

going to clip this and think I'm crazy but I'm not giving him any credit trust I'm not giving him any credit but I do believe that it all could have ended it could have ended for him much better than it has and much better than it will I'm trying to think it's like you know you're sitting there it's 8 o'clock at night you see that bowl of potato chips and you just this is a great idea and then you cram it all down but that doesn't do justice This is to Justin Trudeau being our prime minister. No. I'm like I, you know, it was like it was a good start and two weeks in, everyone went,

oh crap, this was a wrong choice. And now you're stuck with them for 10 years. You know, it's, it's, it's, um, there's probably a better analogy out there, uh, that I'm not thinking of right now, you know? And, uh, I've just, I, it's just curious, you know, because, uh, once again, I have no, I have very little thoughts on it because at the time, I don't know how much I was paying attention to politics, right? It's after the thing I'll give, it's kind of like COVID.

For all the bad that came through COVID, there's a lot of positives that have happened on my side. And so you take, you know, do I wish COVID never happened? Parts me, yes. Parts me, I'm glad it happened. It opened my eyes to a lot. And when you talk about the freedom convoy and, you know, that being a global sensation, right? Like the entire world stared at us for three weeks. you know like it's hard to put that back in a box and say it was all bad there's some good that came

with it oh yeah and justin trudeau the best thing i can say about him is he got me paying attention to politics it wasn't because i liked him because as soon as he started talking and started doing his things i went this doesn't sound right and i'm not saying i was a genius i mean geez it's taking me a long time to get into this realm just that you know sometimes uh the worst things to happen to us um can have the best results or the best outcomes. And I look at COVID and I look at Justin Trudeau's reign. It's building a whole new population of men and women in Canada that are paying attention and getting involved in politics.

Like, I mean, as much as I don't love what he's done, one of the offshoots of that is he's built a new group of people that are getting involved and active. And you're seeing it every day. It's a great way to look at it, actually. and it's a good way to find the positives in such an awful time for Canadians, such an awful nine years, that, yes, the country will never be the same again.

You know, he has left a mark on this country and, you know, a legacy that, a legacy that, that, that is going to be very interesting to look back on in, in years to,

in many decades afterwards, because there's like a whole, there's a whole new real industry, frankly, of conservative media. and of alternative media podcasts like this one and companies

like the one I worked for that have been that have started under his reign and we got so much material to speak about because of everything he was doing and it got people as you were talking about

it got people thinking and opening up their eyes and kind of looking at the world in a different way and I think it has it has unfortunately for the liberals and fortunately for the country

it has it has left a permanent stain on their reputation, and it will for many years. I mean, I don't know. Look, in order to have the kind of popularity swing that the conservatives have gone through under Pierre Pahliav, the amount of former liberal voters that have had to flip is significant in order to have that big, that big change. And I don't think you can just get them back. You know, the only way you can get them back to your side is if Pierre Paulyev happens to be just an awful prime minister. I think the chances of him being a worse prime minister than Justin Trudeau are slim.

It's been impossible, but very slim. And so it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough for the liberals to recover from this. Like, I think, I'm surprised they let it go on this long. I'm surprised they didn't, they didn't force Justin Trudeau do have a long walk in the snow. Instead of his own because we know that he's not really like, he's got, he's got an unbelievable ego, clearly. Clearly. I've enjoyed this. I've enjoyed having you on. For the listener, where can they find your work? Where can they find you? You can find episodes of my show, Rationo to end the Faulkner show on True North on our website by going to tnc.com.

And you can also find our show on YouTube and Rumble. And if you're lucky, on Facebook, but I know that's difficult for many, seeing as how Justin Trudeau's passed that legislation. and yeah, we produce new content weekly, Mondays, Thursdays, and Tuesdays. Cool. Well, thanks again for doing this. Appreciate you hopping on. I'm glad whoever it was on X throughout your name, because any time I get to talk to another Canadian who seems to be staring at the problems of society and trying to put their best foot forward, and you always enjoy that. So thanks again for hopping on. And until next time. Thank you very much, Sean. Really appreciate it.