Shaun Newman Podcast - #706 - Vesper

Episode Date: September 9, 2024

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Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast. Today I'm joined by Vesper out of Quebec. You know, I'm trying to think of the last Quebec I had on this side of things. It's been a while. And I'm happy you said yes and you hopped on and a shout out to twos and probably Clyde for speaking highly enough to hook this up and put it together. So Vesper, thanks for hopping on. Oh, you're very welcome.

And listen, yes, they speak very highly of you. In fact, Marty also. I saw that you had Marty up north. I get inundated constantly with invites. And to be honest with you, I'm very leery on who I talk to because oftentimes they engage in rhetoric that I just don't enjoy. I like very intelligent conversation, honest conversation. And they, if all three of these people were like. Like pro Sean, I'm on.

And so, yeah, I'm honored to be here. I then did a little bit of background check about the channel. And I'm loving a lot of the conversations that you had, you know, in the past and some of the names that you had on. So in a way, I'm very honored. And thank you for reaching out, you know. Well, I appreciate then Marty up north as well. Because obviously, you know, as one of the things I try and do on the show is I try and showcase some of the Canadians that are speaking of. up and and talking about things that I think Canadians need to hear about.

And Marty up north in particular, you know, there was a time in the middle of COVID when he drove Deloitte Minster, you know, probably drove five and a half hours to come to where I sit, to sit in studio to talk about the statistics online of Alberta, Alberta Health, right, AHS's stats. And so, you know, that's a relationship forged in the worst of times, the darkest of times. So I appreciate all of them giving me a clean bill of health when it comes to bringing different Canadians on. Bespers, I don't know a whole heck a lot about you. The way it happened was you were on with Clyde, do something who was just on the show.

And then, of course, you got to meet Tuse who's always on the show. And, um, uh, awesome dude. So like you got to go listen to this guy. I'm all right. So, you know, I followed through with what Tuse said for once for the listener and usually made him go back and forth. And you know, I enjoyed the conversation the four of you were having. And anyways, I guess I just want to start with just a bit background, Bespers. Like tell us a little bit about yourself.

And then I, you know, we got lots we can jump into. Well, look, I'll, I'll condense it. So my career started out as a artist and as a burgeoning young artist, I already had a background. My family comes. I have a lineage of artistry in my family. an artisanship. But I wanted to get into the digital world and that was about over a decade ago. And as I started building and building and building, I slowly moved into consulting in terms of like companies hiring me who already had designers, but they needed ideas. And then it morphed into

strategy. So I'm a big strategist. Like I love playing chess. I love watching magicians and studying magic and how things are done. I love strategy, period. And that became basically my career. And then when you spliced the two, people were not coming to me so much for the artisanship, but for the strategic approach to growing their businesses or solving an issue in terms of how they're being perceived and why it's not working. Or if it is working, should we change any yada, yada, yada. I was supposed to have this online career. on X that was supposed to just grow and everybody see how great I can give advice and I could show example, but then the pandemic hit and it changed the narrative.

And I think I could leave it there and a lot of people could fill in the blanks as to what became my motivation at that point. I used all my Batman powers at that point for this. And, you know, it started with our Quebec government and all the BS that they did. And I'm going to inform some of your view as what happened with Quebec, which then led me to basically go up the chain, which finally led me to see where the real problem was. And it was at the very top. Now, I've always known that there was going to be, you know, some bad deeds happening. But, you know, I'm okay if you're a bad guy.

Just please don't let me see it. You know, like if you're going to rob me, rob me, but be, be casual, be, you know, good at it. And that harkens back to my whole magician thing. Don't be a bad magician. Don't let me see the trick that you're doing. You know, let me catch you do it. Have some finesse as a corrupt person. You know what I'm saying?

And I got insulted, to be quite honest. And that's what started my ex address that I put right here. The only reason I'm doing it is not for self-promotion. I've told all my followers once this government is out, I'm closing my account. There's no need for it anymore. This is my duty. This is my job.

This is the goal I want to achieve. Once they're out, I'm gone. And if the next government starts doing some wild stuff, I'll be back. But that's basically the beginning and end of it. Well, wait. It's funny because, you know, when you get talking about government, I'm like, I don't know, they all got to, to me, it looks like they all got shelf life. you know like are we going to all of a sudden get trudeau out and all sudden pierre's just like god send he reverses absolutely everything maybe maybe maybe maybe but you got to get set goals

shot i mean so you know you go to the gym you can do a certain amount of sets a certain amount of reps and you give yourself targets and i'm the kind of guy that works with targets if the thing i've set does not you know what i mean it doesn't mean i can't come back, you know, it's in cycles, right? Like, see, there's there's two mindsets. There's the complete, everything is broken, black pill kind of mindset. And I got to fight on every front. If you're a strategist and if you've studied anything like the art of war and or Napoleonic studies on how squadrons are to fight on different fronts, you are never to fight on more than two fronts. And even then, you have to be very skilled to do it. I can't.

take on two different dragons. The way I see it is you got to get past this boss before you get to this boss. And until this boss shows you that they are this way, well, you've already developed the artillery. At this point, it's really just a question of, okay, because some people always tell me like, hey, you know what, the conservatives are no different than liberals. I'm like, you're probably right. But we won't know until they show it. So far, this is what they're saying. The second they renege on anything that they've said that is big, right? That's a call to action, right? You can't be, I don't want to live in a world where I'm so cynical that I don't think that people can do wrong on either party, but I'm willing to give a chance, right? Let's see what you do. Like you said,

maybe, until maybe becomes, oh, you know, then I come back. But I'm not going to start now attacking everybody. I'm not that kind of guy. Everyone's a globalist. Yes, everyone's a globalist. Harper was a globalist. Kretchen was a globalist. Every single person has been wanting to work globally. In fact, we need to work globally. What do you think is going to happen? Canada is just going to sell to itself and buy from itself? That's not, we're going to lag behind every country. No, you've got to work with the globalists. But it's the attitude, right? And so for me, watching the conservatives under Pierre and the

things they're promising, yeah, have I? I found inconsistencies. I have. Yeah, will they say the right things? Yes, they will. Did Trudeau say the right things? Yes, he did. But right now, he's the jerk and I want to take him down. Once I'm done with him, I'll wait, right? Because he said some really dumb stuff and set in motion some really dumb stuff and did some really dumb stuff. Like forget blackface, forget the fact that he was with that female reporter. Forget the fact that he brought in a Nazi. A million and one reasons. I'm telling you, this guy's like the color of the rainbow. No pun intended. He can bring all the skittles. And so it's like easy target practice at this point. And I'm going to help. I'm going to

help in any way that I can. And that's, you know, that's what I think people need to understand. You've got to fight one dragon at a time. If you take on too many dragons at a time, you'll, you'll overextend yourself. And they will defeat you just by propaganda. And that's something I think you saw on the on the show with Clyde. We talked about that whole argument, the problem reaction solution, was this is how governments overcome people and demoralize them. It might have been, you know, wherever you're at on who planned, organized, et cetera, of COVID. One of the things that they underestimated or didn't just understand, right? They got their plan in place.

Everybody's locked down and we're all going to be safe. But it's interesting. We were just talking about this like three, four days ago. that you know the one thing that people overlooked during COVID is all the distraction was gone there was nothing it was just you know like you know everything was in a bubble it was irritating you couldn't go you know if you made certain choices you couldn't you couldn't uh you couldn't go to a restaurant you couldn't go to here you couldn't leave the country you couldn't do you couldn't you and what happened it pushed everybody into what you're talking about where you know what strategically that's my

goal not worried about all the noise around it that right there and when that happened happens, I can reevaluate. And they underestimated that during COVID. Like, think about it, right? All of, you know, all these people united to go to Ottawa. And that was the goal. I think of back to the podcast. I was telling you before we started, I told the audience, listen, I don't know how to talk about anything but COVID until we're out of this thing. I didn't realize the toll that would take on me by just talking about one subject and starting to understand, uh, the, the like willful blindness of a ton of people. But I do understand by talking about it, by sticking straight to it, we can get out of this. And I understand that the strategic value in pointing directly at. And maybe that's part of a problem people are having right now is there's so many problems. They get, they get spread so thin. They, um, they wear themselves out.

Yeah. And that's really the danger. And you know, if you go, the reason I even put this is because there's resources. Right. So I don't just do funny memes, you know, in graphics. I splice videos together. I find really old videos and show people things like that people have said. That's not really the point. It's meant as a resource hub. My thing is not for me. It's so you can go and find the resources that you need. People bookmark a lot of these because they can't find them. And I typically find them because I write scripts that crawl the web and bring me back videos that people can't find. Even on wayback machines. Some of them are just, they're not traceable. And in my mind, looking at how people are doing things, whether it be on YouTube, podcast, social media, some people and all people, in fact, including me, sometimes we could be over exacerbated by the amount of actual, what's the word, I wouldn't use corruption. It's the, it's just how broken everything is set up, right? The system is

set up in such a way that it is very heavy on the citizen and not so heavy on the people running the country. Right. So they get, it's not that they're not, that the law doesn't apply to them. It's that they're not held to that level of scrutiny. And a lot of it has to do with the way that the Westminster system was designed in the first place and why so many inept people want to become. MPs or senators. I mean, if we're crying out loud, we have a news guy who used to be anti-liberal,

anti-trudeau, then jumped on the whole Trudeau bandwagon. And now he's a senator. Wow, surprise. The problem is, if you fight too often on too many different things, you will experience a form of PTSD. And I can't tell you how many spaces I've been in. People are having anxiety attacks. People have fallen into depression. I've heard from some people. I can't prove it, but some people have committed the S word because of the amount of how dark things look like. And so you got to be careful.

And I say this to people. Remember that humanity has always been plagued with this kind of a thing. Ever since, like I said, time immemorial back to Rome, you can go keep going back and study this. Governments have always enacted this kind of like control. And in my mind, you've got to keep a level head and know how to roll with the punches and know your limits. If you're having a bad day, stop. Don't engage.

Turn it all off. Take a walk. Be with family. Remember that it's a slow fight. It's not a 60, you know, 60, what do you call it? 60 yard dash, you know, and we're going to get through this. This is an incremental battle. So you can lose some battles, but you can win a war.

and it depends on positioning. And it's all again, it's like chess, right? It's positioning yourself, learning when to sacrifice. You know, I've noticed that people like me and I learned early that if you're constantly engaging, it will erode your morale and you can go into a bit of a fork. There have been weeks where I didn't even engage because I was just psychologically impaired at that point. Well, it's the never-ending journey, right?

although like we have an election in 2025, then it'll be something after that and something after that. And you can look at that as like, oh, man, this isn't going to never end. Or you can look at it like, you know, the journey is just starting, man. Like, and you're starting to pay attention. And there's a lot of hope in that. The, the pulling back from time to time, I think is really healthy advice, you know. Like we just went on a family vacation. And my wife is from the States.

and we left for quite some time. And I was trying to explain it because I've had two things in the last three years, Vesper, roughly. What do we have, 24, two plus years, that have really helped. One is, and I talk about this quite often on the podcast, I picked up the Bible, and I started reading it. And, you know, I've had a level of peace like no other since that started happening. in the in the in the world we're we're you know messing around in you know and and bringing people on to talk on my side on on on the digital platform of of x and getting into those discussions um having time away like i cannot explain well you probably understand and probably lots people understand but like

but just left with my family and we went and i basically said i'm pretty much going to do nothing for close to a full month. And when I came back, I don't know if I've had that much hop in my step before. You know, like, I'm just like, it's time to get to work.

It's time to go. Like, I'm excited. I'm actually excited to go back into my realm, which is the studio and bringing people on. And, uh, you know,

those little breaks in one part of your brain, you can feel like you're, um, giving up the fight or, or you're not doing enough. But those are really healthy times to take off. Well, you know, one of the things I labeled on X as the kind of person I am is that I'm an asymmetrical thinker. And I think you cannot be such a linear thinker when it comes to calling out or engaging in any kind of confrontation.

If you look at some of the most prolific boxers, they're either going to win because they have tremendous power and cardiovascular longevity longevity. Or their defense is incredible. So if you pick up a guy and if anyone doesn't know him, please look them up. A guy like Floyd Mayweather, there's a reason he's unbeaten. And it's not because of who he picks. His defense allows him to save energy and be able to weather if he needs 12 rounds while his opponent is expending all of his energy trying to break through the defense. In this particular case, when we're dealing with our institutions, corruptions, all the stuff,

you got to remember that if you want to see them as an opponent, they are very well funded. And they can be easily replaced. And you have to weather yourself, no pun intended, Floyd Mayweather, but you have to weather the battle and know when to come in, come out. What's that thing like Muhammad Ali, you know? Oh, like a butterfly and sting like a bee. He didn't always sting. You've got to sometimes just float, float, sting.

Float, float, sting. And you've got to come with receipts. And so I think I would say to people do a lot of your studying. Don't let it disenfranchise you and make you completely cynical. The world that we've lived in. And I'm so happy to hear that you started reading the Bible. I'm a Christian myself. This has been happening for millennia.

and it's been happening not just with liberals or NDP or conservatives or Democrats or Republicans. This has happened. This is a human condition. There is a human condition. Some will step over others to attain power and wealth. Just for a good documentary, just watch Scarface and you will completely understand human nature. Am I wrong? Say hello to my little friend. I mean, what did Tony say? First, you get the yes, then you get the that, and then you get the power and the money.

And the way that some people's morale, morality is very convenient to those that look for power. See, to me as a Christian, this is what differentiates Jesus from every other figure. And Napoleon said it himself. He said what Alexander and Caesar and I have done through power, Jesus did through love. that he had already all the power and did not use it. We didn't have the power and we lust for it and we use it to basically terrify people into submission. And he who had all the power didn't.

And now people, he said, Napoleon quoted this. You could look it up. At this very hour, millions of men would lay down their lives for him. And I love that about him. A good leader is one who has all the power but does not use it. to enslave or scare or terrify or force. Yeah, well, listen, when it comes to Jesus and the Bible, you know, like, me and Bessper don't know each other.

So I'll tell the story all over again, you know, like when I was growing up, went to church, and then when I was 18, I couldn't get away fast enough. And then, you know, you go through the dark days of COVID, which they were dark. and, you know, every listener probably has their own version of it, I would surmise. And, you know, you come out of things and you start to, just what makes sense, you know, like, what am I going to start putting my foundation on, you know? It's going to be the sand or is it going to, we're going to try and find a rock. And I just kept digging and digging, and I had good people around me that kept suggesting the Bible,

you know, in the best possible way. Because, you know, one of the things I don't do well is if you tell me to do something, chances are I'm not going to do it right away because for whatever reason that's hardwired into me but the Bible kept coming up and lots of strange things were going on at that point in time you know you started reading it geez man didn't make a lot of sense and the more it made sense you're like why did we fall away from this why have we we ran so far why does society look at um Jesus or or the Bible Christianity in general as like this toxic viewpoint or belief system because when you start reading what the Bible actually says

like I mean it's it's almost ridiculously good right like I not almost it is and there's so much hidden knowledge that's sitting there that you could just be like if we well I mean did all this well I mean what I think you found and a lot of people found it is a very apt description of the human heart and condition and you've don't just see religion. So forget, let's completely take out the, the mystical aspect of the Bible. It describes the corruption of man. It describes how man has, like, you read stories like Kane, killing his brother Abel. You see that mankind wanted independence of any kind of accountability to an authority, you know, with Adam and Eve. People always tell me, is it the fruit? I'm like,

it had nothing to do with that. It's all. about we want to be independent of any authority we want to be god we want to do whatever we want and that gets you into a whole lot of mess not that you can't be independent but when you're no longer accountable to a a a truth authority right and so even in in the scriptures god mandates us to obey our governments the only time god says not to is when they try to overturn him that's when he commands to stand up for the truth because the truth, there is no partisanship with the truth. The truth is the truth. And I think human beings have my truth.

How many people do you talk to? I got my truth. No, dude, listen, there's a story I heard from this pastor, and I got to tell you this, it's not a religious thing, but it's actually funny because we are living in a postmodern era. And I've dealt with postmodernists in terms of art and whatever. He walked into a postmodernistic museum out in New York City. This was in 2004. And, you know, he was showing him like pillars, going nowhere,

staircases that made no sense. Paintings that were inverse, meaning like the painting is the frame. And the actual painting was the frame. A banana instead of the head of a monkey. All this weird stuff. And he, the person that was taking him around on the tour was telling the pastor, he's like, you see, beauty doesn't have to make sense. You know, everything can be relative.

There is no need for it. absolute for things to be beautiful. And this pastor said the most profound thing. He says, it's very beautiful and everything. I wonder if you did any of this postmodernism to the foundations of this building. And the guy was like frozen because you can't play with basic things like foundations of a building. I can't decide there are no foundations on this building or the whole building crumbles. So it's very nice and pretty that you did all this like postmodernism. them. But what about the foundations? Did you mess with those? Did you decide I'm going to remove them and make them out of, I don't know, bamboo instead of concrete? What did you do? And most people, I think,

forget that there are absolutes and the foundations cannot be moved. You want to paint the house pink? By all means, do whatever you want. But once you start playing with the foundational things of truth, that's where your entire reality gets skewed. And why were you surrounded, Sean, with a bunch of people living in bubbles because everybody has my truth. Yeah, well, there is a truth that you need to enter. And I think COVID did that. It popped a whole lot of bubbles for a lot of people. That's, um, I got to think, like, I think that's, you're right.

And I think you said that's a beautiful way to put it. That's a beautiful way to put it. Because when you, when you think about it, that's, that's, um, I think that's what a lot of us were searching for. It's like, I just don't, you know, like, don't we have something? You know, and Jordan Peterson has, you know, for me, really started to get my brain to start to think about some things. And I always tell lots of people, he was like my introductory back towards the Bible, because obviously he talks a lot about biblical things. And his 12 rules for life, you know, the deeper you dive lead back towards the Bible.

I mean, it's pretty self-explanatory. or you start reading a whole bunch of self-help books or some of the greatest minds in our time, or from past, you know, Marcus Aurelius and different things. You start reading, you're like, that's straight out of the Bible. And I didn't realize it because I just, you know, now that you read the Bible, I'm like, oh, it's right there. They're taking thoughts and turning them into their own.

But the way you look at a building to bring it back to your story is like, that's true on the human being level. Like, and the thing that, that, that you have over a building, you know, building, I don't know, is a building happy? I suppose it's, it's happy that it doesn't have bananas for, for structure, you know, because I don't think it would really be up, you know. But at the same true time, a banana, sorry, a building doesn't have feelings, you know. And when you, when you look at a human being, when you set the structure of what the foundation needs to be, where I sit, And you know, I hate to be preaching to the audience is a heck of a lot smarter to me. But like, the thing that I have noticed is once I started reading the Bible, started praying, accepted Jesus, like, was like, holy crap, this, there's something to this.

My life has gotten considerably better. I'm not sitting here saying I got a stack of money. I don't. I'm not sitting here saying I got, you know, like no issues in the world. There certainly are. There's lots of problems that confront us almost daily, if not, you know. Yeah, no, I agree with you. And please, for anyone listening, so while we are Christians, truth is not bound to just the Bible.

Truth can't exist even outside the Bible. What the Bible offers is not this is the only place where you can find truth. No, there is truth elsewhere. The problem is not that you can't find it in psychology, sociology, and anything. Human nature has been known even before the Bible was written. What the Bible does is just condense the issue and crystallizes the issue of what the main issue is, is that mankind left to himself will destroy himself. And what man calls as progressive is actually regression.

And so you see that in several aspects and stories or, you know, historical aspects. You know, one of my, if you know, if you would mind me just sharing this, I took, I took two semesters in art history because, I mean, I was going into liberal arts initially and I did a minor in business, but I really wanted to go into the arts. And one of the things that you notice about mankind and if you know anything about archaeology, you know the older stuff that we uncover or unearth figures, they're usually pudgy, right? Like they have a big head, fat bellies, short arms, legs. And the archaeology that we found, some in Sumer or Sumeria, or some of them in Egypt, some of them in, you know, Mesopotamia, even in the West, you know,

when you go to the Mayans or the Aztecs, part of the literature behind why archaeology, felt that they never represented deities or humans adequately in the way that they designed them was that there was this innate fear to offend the gods that we can't create man in the stone. So we have to disproportionately make them look out of whatever to not offend the gods, so to speak. But as you notice, particularly from the Neolithic, all the way up to, let's say, the Roman era. I'm skipping a whole lot of empires, is that there is this perpetual refinement of man

and adoration of man to the point where you get to Michelangelo's David. And there's this, the fear of God is changing, this idea that we are subservient to a higher authority changes. And now this inversion begins to occur in art. if you think about it and study it, man is the God, right? We have made God in our image, and this is how we see God, and it is the adoration of man. What has happened, and I would say where it most is revealed is all of us humans, we are, we magnify humanism until there's this meme.

there is this atheist falling off a cliff and it's written on the top, atheists be like, oh God, oh God, oh God. It's until they're falling off a cliff that they're like, I can't do anything anymore. Now I got to call out the something higher than me if it's there. You know, true also a lot of people, I've met a lot of people that were devout atheists in their last moments when you'd come to visit them. Some of them remain true to their thing, but a lot of them, It doesn't work for them anymore.

And they see that that whole construct doesn't work. And I think COVID revealed this, Sean, for our generation, that your system of belief in being basically imprisoned in your home, right? And particularly in Quebec, let's see what you believe if it works when you can't go anywhere and you're being forced to do something. So by nature, most humans, they would normally rebel, but in this particular case, it also showcased a lot of things about humanity. Humans are willing to trade what they believe in for certain enjoyments, right, or freedoms. And people will never be able to go back on that, that I traded something I was forced, and I've conveniently told myself, no, I wasn't forced.

you know, I took it because I wanted to go to the movies. I took it because I did want to travel. And then the more the evidence came out that none of those things that they, you know, proposed to the people were actually ever viable. Like if I took it, it would stop. Well, that wasn't true. That it would stop transmission. Well, that wasn't true.

There's a bunch of things that now people have to wrestle with cognitively that I was fooled. And they will never tell themselves that they were fooled. in fact, they will fight to the death so that they can't be wrong. And that's just something that I think the Bible shows, the human pride and the selfishness of mankind, if left to himself, will ultimately destroy himself. People want to be slaves. I know you don't like hearing this.

Humans left to themselves want somebody else to do the governing and the thinking and do all that stuff. You know, the only thing, and maybe this isn't the best example, and feel free to disagree. or to point out a different one. But, you know, I think of Saul in the Bible, right? He was killing Christians. He was speaking out against it.

And then... Oh, you mean Saul, the guy that became Paul. Correct. Sorry, I was getting to that. Saul who becomes Paul. And then he becomes the biggest advocate. And, you know, like, a lot of people that I have on this show are unvaccinated. They have interesting looks at the world.

They were told their way of thinking was illogical. there was nothing there and on and on. And then they, they, if they stuck to their guns, they weren't allowed to leave the country, you know, Quebec had like curfews and,

and on and on. But I mean, like here in Alberta, Saskatchewan, we had snitch lines. We had neighbors calling on it. You know, it just, you know, and then politicians try and tell me, but we got it right here.

We weren't so bad as other parts of the country. Like, okay. Whatever. And so we eventually get to this thought that, uh, if you're vaccinated, that you have something serious to wrestle with. And you probably do.

I mean, like, honestly, but maybe you don't. I don't know. Chris Barber, I bring this up a lot, Fasper. Chris Barber, who led the West Convoy to Ottawa, vaccinated. You know? Like, I think if you're sitting there and you're beating yourself up, you know, like I think of Saul who, you know, became Paul. It's like one of the biggest advocates who got written about in the,

the Bible a ton his story is like sit and ponder that one for a while is a guy who up until that point killed Christians had literally like destroyed and tried destroying it all and then becomes one that that gets and not and not just adults children woman met like he was he was not great at all he was vicious and loyal to a fault to his God but it didn't matter to him you know what I mean So like where I sit right now is I just think in our version of what's going on in not only Canada but the world, you know, like there's a real opportunity to try and bring people together. It's really tough because, you know, as you're trying to bring people together, the government and its actors and actors outside of the government are constantly seeding tons of different things that make us want to go. brawl each other, you know, but there is the opportunity there. Like, I mean, we all got to witness COVID for what it was.

And in fairness, if, if they're, they're still, you know, asleep or don't want to talk about it, that's, that's one thing. That's a different thing. If you're sitting here listening to this and you already know you've been duped, you know, well, then I don't know, not get on with it. But certainly there's a way to just. But here's the thing. And this, this is, this does come as a logical thing.

It might come from the Bible, but it's really even in psychology. The issue is not can we come together. There was somewhere in the middle of the pandemic, somebody that wrote an article that just got bashed on social media about, can't we just all get along again? Here's the problem. Here's the problem. When someone abuses you, and now you're in the realm of psychology,

verbal, sexual, physical, it doesn't matter. Any kind of coercion or abuse, abuse. If you're complicit, all that's required is a confession and you are supposed to forgive that person and then you can reconcile. We have to distinguish between what forgiveness is and reconciliation is. They're not the same thing. I can forgive my friend. But if my friend will not admit to what they did and being complicit and let's say alienating me or speaking ill of me publicly and vilifying me. How can we reconcile? What? There's going to always be this awkward elephant in the room that you basically tore me to pieces online, ruined my reputation, and never went back

and apologized for the stuff that you said. There cannot be a reconciliation. I may be able to forgive you, but we make, we can't reconcile. So what I think I would say to the non-vaccinated is I I love all my friends that stop talking to me. I still do. But so long as you are still vilifying me and holding on to your guns, how can we reconcile? If you're unwilling to look at the facts that are being shown now from agency after agency, after medical report, after medical report, if you're unwilling, it's not that I don't want us to be together.

This government and every government understands exactly. how to divide and conquer. And it's understanding that some humans prefer convenience over inconvenience. And that some humans, they do not want a world. They do not want to see a world that is filled with this kind of evil. They actually suppress it. We do this in marketing. We understand that there are some people that suppress negative feelings.

And the reason the mechanism of marketing works is to keep the people. people that work to actively push away negative thoughts to keep them buying things, to keep them entertained or amused, right? And so whether it be media, whether it be, you know, buying things, the objective is to keep people distracted. And so governments understand that. They understand that there is a subset, a large subset of people that would, that don't want to believe in a a world that has this much evil running it. And so they would prefer to live in their, you know, blissful ignorance, so to speak. And if you try to bring them any kind of truth, whether it be facts, video, you can put

it on video. Sean, I've showed people videos of like people doing actively corrupt things. And you will get comments from legit people. I can tell when they're bots say, this is AI. This is not real. This can't be real. Like the dissonance is strong with you, my friend. You do not want it to be real.

It's different than I don't accept it because it would then mess with my entire worldview. So coming back to it, we need to all get together. I will talk to anybody. I support Tamara, Chris, any of them. I don't care if you're vaccinated. But if you spoke ill and were complicit in vilifying the, what did we call it? the fringe minority or the unvaccinated, right, the unvaccinated. No, actually the fringe minority doesn't apply because some of the fringe were vaccinated.

But if you're going to vilify the unvax, what did they call this, the pandemic of the unvaccinated? You got a tone. That's just logic. If I hurt my brother and then act like I didn't do anything, how can there be reconciliation? And I would strongly urge anyone that has besmirched or vilified others for not taking this to realize that you were put under a spell. This is what hypnotists often use, right? They use the power of suggestion.

And they can, dude, I saw a friend of mine eat a whole onion. I know the guy. He's not the kind of guy that would do something out of step in front of everybody like this. He's actually a very shy individual. The guy was told this was an apple. He was sitting right next to me. And I'm looking at Luke. He's French.

And he's eating this onion, like, as if it was an apple. I'm like, Luke is not an actor. Luke is not somebody that would pretend like everyone look at me. He's actually a very shy person. I had to drag him on the stage to do this hypnotist thing. And he just ate the whole thing. I couldn't believe it. Like, I was shocked.

I never believed in this kind of stuff because it never worked. worked on me. You couldn't hypnotize me. I wouldn't fall for it. I don't know if it's because I'm actively fighting it, but he fell under it and ate it and got up and ran across the stage, yelling swear words in French, taking off a show. I'm like, this is not him. And people that recorded him for like a week, he stayed in hiding. So the power of hypnotism can work on people through the power of suggestion. And I think a lot of people were not ready for how much suggestion was being offered to them. The media was complicit. People in power were complicit. Social media influencers were paid off. Dude, it was a bombart full-scale bombardment.

Your senses were completely inundated. And it takes a very particular kind of person that has some kind of a mental shelter to at least weather some of the messaging and not cave to any pressure. And I think very few people caved in. Some people are just, they're not going to do. They're just anti-authoritarian anyway. But a lot of people that didn't cave in, they happen to have something. I don't know what it is in their minds that just I will not be forced to do anything. I will do what I want to do. They're very independent in thought. But for the most people, I don't blame the people that did the vaccinations. In fact, my wife was vaccinated. they wouldn't let her see her mom who was in the home.

What is she supposed to wait to her mom passes away? So she weighed her options. You can't vilify people that took the vaccine. But for us to all get along and go against the person that has been dividing us, there would need to be kind of a coming together and a reconciliation, but it requires a confession from one side. Like, okay, we called ourselves pure bloods. we're sorry, we shouldn't have done that like we're better than you.

But you shouldn't have also done this. And let's both admit our wrongs. And let's get back to being Canadians. That's what's required. And unfortunately, the party in place right now, which is losing its sway, has been really losing its grip and its spell over the large amount of people. And you know what? Nothing like losing your money and house can get your attention and break that spell. reality is knocking and a lot of people are not happy they're just not happy you know we thought that

they would be upset because of realizing things about COVID no they're actually upset because they can't afford anything anymore yeah because people want to be able to go do things right they're they're accustomed to a certain way of life we all are right you know and this is no judgment this is me talking about myself you know, married to an American. And for the first, I don't know, 15 years of that dating her and then being married to her, we could go to her parents' place whenever we wanted to. And then there came a time or that was not an option.

What a strange, strange thing to be a part of. And when you talk about reality knocking, you know, like one of the, well, you just stare at it. I don't know where or how bad it gets. I should say I know the direction we're pointing, and I know that it doesn't get better overnight. You know, one of the, I said to Julie, investor,

probably everybody got a kick out of this when it happened, but I was telling you before we started, you know, I was interviewing like Glenn Saylor, right? One of the great all-time GMs of the Amminton Oilers, won Stanley Cups, and then I had like Julie Padesey on the next episode. And Julie Pansey said something,

and I said, how long does this last? You know, like three months? six months and the look on her face well i'll never forget it right she's like uh no like years i don't know 10 years 20 years like decades and i was like you know i was trying to compute this thought process of what we're into is going to last that long and and the thing that you stare at the world right now and you go is there things in 2025 if pierre let's just play out the cards pierre gets elected everything happens the way it looks like it's trending. Pierre Poliyev comes to power in 2025.

Right. How long does it take him to get things in Canada pointed in roughly the right direction just from an economics standpoint? And even if he gets appointed there, then how long does it take after that for people to start feeling the effects of home prices coming down? Food prices coming down. Gasoline coming down. I'm sure I'm missing about 17 other things. things. How long does that take? You know, one of the things that when you reached out, and I think you saw in the Clyde stream that we had talked about, is what is the motivation of people that want to attain power? Sometimes there's an altruism to this. Pierre gets in, let's repeal, let's do this, let's do that. The truth. The truth is,

trauma that this party has caused. I mean, I've spoken to old-time, old-timers that were at the time of Pierre Trudeau, and they're like, dude, we're still reeling from the stuff that he did. That's what, four decades, right? Let's be honest. This kind of stuff that they did with this pandemic, and this is not just for Canada, this is global. There is a PTSD and a trauma. that will follow people probably their whole lives.

Maybe the scars will heal, but the memories will always be there. And this mistrust in government, I think, is going to be ingrained until usually two or three generations. That's usually when things begin to change. It takes about two to three generations. It's something that you could read from, for example, people like Plato or Socrates about how the, of a government usually take two to three generations until the net that generation itself moves on and no longer remembers the infidelities of said governments and people go back to being gullible. So in my mind, if we could really consolidate this, Sean, the issue is not the parties. I did a video on this on X. It got some traction. The issue is never parties. It's not pier. It's not it's the it's the way our west minister system is set up as long. as it remains this way and that their laws are very light on them, but very heavy on the citizens. And there is a consolidation of power within, I mean, I don't know, I don't recall Canada being a

kind of a republic. It's always been kind of left-leaning. And I've been here since 87. We emigrated here from Lebanon. And, you know, it always felt more liberal. than it did conservative. I mean, back then the era was more conservative, but the way things were run were a lot more liberal than the Middle East. You can imagine how the Middle East would have been like compared to Canada, right? Like you had the freedom to criticize a government. You couldn't do that in Lebanon. You couldn't do that in Syria. You know, my mom is Syrian. So you couldn't do that at all. You could be arrested. The idea then as we lived our lives, and they tell this to everybody that acts like, you know, all these governments were bad. Listen, dude. Nobody complained a lick under Harper. Yeah, okay, we complained about taxes. But nobody was on social media the way we were now. It's just that it's so overt that now we see glaringly all the mistakes. And everyone, like you said, in COVID, it just kept us all now isolated.

And now everyone is studying what the heck is going on? How can there be this much power consolidated with a government to do the things that it did? How can you freeze people's bank accounts? Where is this written? Where is this law? And then you end up finding out that there is no actual law written for something like this. It is made up on the spot and you just need the approval of a bunch of people that could be in cahoots. And then you can wipe your ass basically with the charter and call it a day.

And then, okay, well, where's the blowback then for this? well, there is no blowback. The federal court deemed the EA Emergencies Act, whatever, illegal. Okay, who's going to jail? Who's paying a significant fine for this decision? Oh, well, you know, we're going to appeal it. Appeal what? You know, what's the worst that's going to happen to this government after a federal court fines what they did was illegal? No one, I mean, we have to understand it's not the governments. Conservatives will do shady things. Harper did shady things.

Kretzain did shady things. In fact, I think the ex-Cesis boss came on and said when we talked about Chinese interference, didn't he say that from Brian Mulroney all the way until this prime minister, there have been cases where they were notified of Chinese-elected. interference. This is not unique to Trudeau. That would include conservatives. So let's not pretend that this is like one party or the other. No, this is a breakdown in the way the government is set up. And Christian Le Prect, which is a professor at the military college, I made a video on this one day if you want to go see it. It's a Canada is still open for dirty money.

All these people in power get into power because there's there's a lot of money to be made. And that's the truth. So if I were to use a magician as an example, a magician is supposed to make you feel you're in control, but his sleight of hand is so that he could pull off his trick while distracting you with the goody. And unfortunately, Pierre can defund the CBC.

Pierre can authorize the sale of LNG and all that stuff in the West and get, let's keep digging. get digging again. Let's start oiling out. Let's do all that stuff. Okay, great. What are you going to do about the legislation and the framework to make sure that if you or anyone in your party does anything that is what you would call an ethics violation worthy of a significant fine and potentially imprisonment for breach of trust, they won't do it. They will give the the appearance of them doing it, but give you goodies on the side. Like, look, now housing is affordable. So we're not really fixing the core issue, which is that the government itself is not going to be held to a higher

stricter account than its own citizens. I don't know if this is making sense here. To me, it's never going to be a Pierre Paulier problem. It's not really even a Justin Trudeau problem. It's that we Canadians used to operate under this honorable, you know, spit in a handshake and people had honor a kind of a thought process. And we are way past that. We're talking about people now, you know, loading their gloves with like, you know, lead and so on and using greed. They're not playing by the rules at all, but capitalizing on this like fictitious honor system in the Westminster government. The Ethics Commission, Commissioner, you know, who's got probably the greatest name in Canadian politics, Finkelstein, said, you know, like after they caught, and I'm forgetting the lady's name, 10 million, right? It was like, it was right there. And the guy keeps at, well, what's the punishment? What's the punishment? And he says exposure, right? People know. And you're like, so she got caught.

you're talking about you're talking about versherin yes okay right gets gets gets gets it's it's it's it's it's right there ethics commissioners saying yes and here it is and the only thing that comes out of that is exposure no you know and you go yeah like that matters in gotham city right exactly like wait oh my goodness you're exposing me as a criminal oh man how am i going to work again oh wait a minute there's an entire body and population of criminals I can keep working with. Yeah, you've ruined my reputation. I can't work anymore.

No, it doesn't work this way. And then to top it off, I mean, exposure to who? There's only a, you know, like, there's only a certain portion of the Canadian population that even pays attention to that. Right. And CBC won't air it. Right. And CTV won't air it. Correct.

Maybe global news will air it. Maybe. But they'll spin it. So like the exposure. So the exposure, the exposure isn't even as bad, you know, like exposure. No, like I'm sorry. At some point, what we're talking about here is I agree with you. At some point, it's like you have an ethics violation.

Sure. Can there be a $1,000 ethics violate? Can there be, you know, can there be a limit on what can be to help? But Sean, but Sean, ask yourself, why the F is it called ethics? It's like the whole secret in this whole. ploy is that it's called ethics. Why was it not called criminal violation? You see, these little nuances matter, particularly in my field. If I say ethics and George Carlin, God knows, I'm sure you've watched George Carlin. George Carlin is the best. He talked about how we use euphemism,

right? People don't die anymore. They pass away. We don't have any more stupid people. Everyone has a learning disorder, right? Like the issue is euphemistic language and we soften everything. Why are you using ethics? Is it because you believe that the entire system operates on ethics? Are we really that naive that you think we're living in an era where human beings will put ethics above profit? Why do we not change that word to criminal investigative? investigative, like an ethics commissioner or criminal commissioner because it's too caustic.

And it comes with just the way that it sounds. Like, are you kidding me? The criminal commissioner is investigating S&C. Levalin and has found criminal behavior. No, let's soften it. Let's call it an ethics violation. Let me ask you a question then, Bessner. I just did an interview with Harrison Faulkner.

Great guy, by the way. I love watching Harrison. And so, you know, in our chat, we got talking about, you know, what's the similarity of, um, of, uh, different times and eras in time, right? Uh, usually there's a great human being who speaks in a way that the, the, the captive audience, if you would, spreads that message, right? Like, you get somebody who can really talk. You're like, holy crap, this person has got some interesting thoughts. Oh, now I'm not going to sit and think about that. And then the ideas permeate society, I think, and maybe, you know, you can certainly have your, your thought on it. And, and you go back through, you know, some of the big ones and what they've done to transform society.

With where we sit today, with the internet, with this ability to talk to anyone you want, this ability to find any conversation on any subject you want, is there the possibility that you could give rise to a leader who could walk in and say, we're no longer calling it ethics. We're going to call it criminal. Is there the possibility? And I don't think it's right now.

I actually don't think Pierre Pollyev is the guy who's going to walk in and do that. But is there the possibility in our lifetime where it gets to the most absurd point? You know, we do this show, me and Tuesday do this show every Friday, the mashup, where we walk through Canadian headlines. And at times it's laughable.

At times it's depressing because you're just like, like it's just so, it's just so right there in your face and nobody seems to care. But what is that building? It's building towards the possibility of a leader walking in and being like, no more. We will not. And is that possible?

No. Short answer. No. And the reason why. Sociology defends this point. reality defends this point. You are living in a pie in the sky kind of a thinking if you think human beings. No, but I'm not insulting you, man.

I'm saying it like it is because I, dude, remember my job as a crisis management and strategist in marketing is to do the devil's work in a way to convince people to buy shit that they don't need, right? Or you must have this. And how do I help you make a sale for, you need these lawn chairs, not these lawn chairs? Why? Why would you need these lawn chairs? Is the other one broken? No. Do you need it because it has a cup holder? Really? That's why you're going to throw away your old lawn chair. What's the purpose of convincing people to buy things? So I'm very familiar with how the human brain can work. I'm not the best at it. I'm not by any means saying I'm the best at it.

There are people that I still learn from. But what I have learned about humans is that most humans, particularly people under the IQ of 130, are not very critical and are more prone to convenience than they are for things that are based in reality, in fact. People that are very, very, very intelligent, can be very stupid, by the way. That doesn't mean that you're, you know everything.

But for the most part, you will see past the facade. So what is the facade? Anyone seeking power. There's a reason why the saying always goes. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. There's a reason. In every human.

And I'm not saying every, every, every human. But the majority of humans are not able to wield this power without the allure and temptations it brings with it. Why would I create legislate? I'm not even sure of myself, Sean. Like, I'm putting myself on the spot. I'm not better. You give me access to billions and billions of dollars

and the ability with a majority government to create anything I want and be immunized from any kind of criticism and basically have indemnity, right, against the law. Who's to say that my, what's, what's another saying? The road to hell is paved with good intentions. All my great intentions and great ideas,

I now have reached the summit of power. And now I'm suddenly looking around and like, look at all these opportunities for Valhalla. I could live like the most hedonistic lifestyle and who's going to stop me? And who's going to come against me? I'll pander to everybody. You know, on one side, yeah, I'm pro-abortion.

On the other side, yeah, F-abortion. And then I'll do everything I can to enjoy this power. And I will not change the laws that will prevent me from enjoying elysium. Why would I do that? It would take a person that let me describe that kind of a leader. It would take a person that you cannot buy off. It would take a person that is like a juggernaut in his ethics. Like he would rather die than to sell out to anybody or anything.

It would take a person that would be devoted to a higher authority than himself. I'm giving three. There's a lot more. But in fairness, I agree with you. I agree, but what did COVID just do? Well, it created in itself, right? It pushed a bunch of people that they became, you know, whatever reason you decided to not go along with society is your own to have. And then you put pressure on them and pressure and pressured and pressured it more, which meant they were a juggernaut in their ethics.

Right. But there's another side, Sean. A whole ton of crypto scams also happened in this period. I agree. I agree. Let's look at both sides. You're right about what you said. But explain to me why this happened. How is it that people that were supposedly oppressed are now leveraging that oppression and making a profit?

You're right about that side. The ethics was bolstered on this side. Let's look at humanity. Let's not look at it like it's. all one thing. Why is it that on one side, people stood for the truth and ethics against all odds, but on this other side, the same people that were being oppressed, why did they take advantage of the gullibility and the fairness and the goodness of people and scam people out of money? Right? These are the people that were supposedly being oppressed. Why did you monetize that?

You see, I'm agreeing with you. There is this side, but are we willing to look at the ugliness of humanity that is also this side. When you talk about the ugliness, explain, just to flesh that idea just a bit more for me. Who exactly are you pointing that way to work? I'm not pointing at anyone. Not names, I just mean more of the idea.

Sorry, Vesper. So let's give an example. You have, and let's use a biblical reference, you have Abel and his brother, Kane. One is doing what he's supposed to, The other one is envious and is not doing what he's supposed to. And because of his envy does evil. And we know the story, those that know that he kills his brother.

But here's the thing. How is this happening when the progeny of these Adam and Eve, you would think that both of them would be good? This is an illustration of mankind that there are going to be some that are just going to do the right thing. And there's going to be more as you watch the line of Kane grow and the kind of people and just the evil in general in the world. Why are most people so ethically challenged so as to steal money at a time when everybody like, you know, this is the freedom crypto coin movement X, Y, Z, whatever it is. Why are people being scammed with fake GoFunders?

You know, I lost my job and now you need to all give me money and I'll bolster it on social media and and then get in on this coin. Why is this happening? I don't care. I mean, listen, if you're a thief, you're a thief, you know, be a good thief. But if the whole point is, it is happening. So this idea that humans in the middle of this situation that we all lived in the last five years were like it woke us all up only No, let's also look at the other side of what humans are capable of doing. Now, if you just took that, what if the majority of people would capitalize on how they can advance their situation? Why would a Pahliav want to be in power? Is it just to change it and make it better for us?

How wonderful of you? What do you gain out of this? There's a gain for you in this. Is the gain, the satisfaction that you've helped all of us? Is that all it is? Okay. So let's make a law. All your bank accounts and all your investments will be publicly available at all times.

Yours, your wife, your cousin, everybody. Any investment, anything, any shell account, anything you have will be publicly available to everyone to scrutinize. And if a dime comes in, we will know about it. It's kind of like, you know, the crypto exchanges. You could trace, you know, how things are happening. But they'll never do that. They have to disclose to the Ethics Commissioner things. You've seen this with Randy Blasano.

You know, I've disclosed things. Dude, listen, will the real Randy please stand up? Dude, will the real Randy please stand up? Please stand up. Because right now, you have to disclose. What about all the other numbered accounts that I have? that you haven't disclosed and that I've had to share with people and say, why haven't you disclosed this?

Oh, you were waiting to get caught. Oh, I see. So we're falling back on human nature. And that's what I mean, Sean. I'm saying humans, when given the opportunity, man, let's just stay to the Bible. You can eat any tree you want. I don't care if you believe if it's true or not.

Let's just use it as an example. You can have any tree you want. tree you want but you see this one tree right here just don't touch this tree that's a rule just don't do it what do you know fuck it let's just go for this tree this one i want this one why because i can't have it and i want what i can't have human nature now again to christians i think what happens is a lot of people finally get what they want and they find that there's nothing at the end of this rainbow and they want and they want more. But then they have to go inside

and they have to start fleshing out who they are, what kind of a person they are, what were their ambitions, what is it that they wanted? That's a very rare thing, Sean, because most people, truth to them is very subjective and no one wants to really go inside. I mean, I hope that explains what you said

about that evil side of humanity. that it's it's irrespective it's it's just something that ails all of us and we need to keep it in check but in order to keep it in check you must be in you must you must be subject to a higher authority than yourself this is why things like in the olden times people actually feared god and that was a bulwark against bad behavior i mean we don't legislate good behavior we legislate bad behavior but when the that create the legislation will not create legislation for their behavior and create a bunch of blind spots and then dangle nice things in front of you while they're entering and doing all this nefarious stuff we shouldn't be shocked that you've been played you know that that's what slight of hand is

isn't it Sean it's look here while I do this here and in fact if you study the art of magic and and sleight of hand as I did, most tricks, I don't know if you know this, are done within seconds and then the rest of it is just a show. Right? The whole thing is the bravado, the show and everything, but the trick has already been done. You just didn't see it, right? And I think that's what we encounter is that we fall

for these things of being tricked. And then we just, we watched the TV show of, you know, Parliament and NDP, but the trick probably already happened. So if I may, you ask a very deep question about the two sides of one group in the middle of the darkest time. That's a very hard question answer immediately. I guess where I go is, you know, if the damages that have done take two or three generations as you pointed out with Socrates and Plato, I guess I'm just tired of staring at it.

all the damage done, you know? I look at, look at all the good that's happened, you know, like, I've heard this, this thought, and maybe it's been shared on here, I can't quite remember, but regardless, it's out there, and that is, thanks for COVID, you know, because it's really put a lot of things in line for me. And I've heard a lot of people say that. Hmm, interesting. What is that train of thought? Where does that go over the next two or three generations? What is that going to create for society? I guess I look at that and I go, that's a real, hopeful, outlook. I chuckle at pie in the sky. And I was not offended.

I want to make sure that that's put out to you best. Because I thought it was great. I thought, you know, at times I can get a little bit like, you know, maybe there's this utopian world where all things are right. But I don't believe that. But that's what COVID broke. See, that's what COVID.

That's the only positive COVID did. The whole pandemic and everything they did was destroy this idea. that I can have heaven on earth because now it's become very clear that you are not in control. You are not in control of your life. You don't have the freedoms you think you have. It brought on reality.

This is the, it's ugly. It's kind of like the Matrix. Have you watched The Matrix, Sean? I'm sure you have you. Did you seem so intelligent? Yes. Remember when Neil first woke up in that movie and like it took him a bit of time to recover? then Morpheus brings him back into this simulation.

And he tries to explain to him what has happened. You've been asleep, dude, your whole life. And now welcome to reality. Is that air you're breathing? Yes. Right. And remember when then they unjack him and show him what reality really looks like? Welcome to reality.

It's shit. And there's a reason why Cypher was like, I'm tired of eating the same old whatever. Yes, it is, it's all real. We're all free. But look at what we're living and we're constantly running for our lives. We're looking at complete authoritarian control by these machines. Like, what kind of a freedom is this is what Cypher said. I would rather, if I'm going to be like, you know, dominated, I'd rather be back in the Matrix.

At least I can enjoy it. Yeah. I'd rather. And it actually tastes. So how many people, and I'm asking you this question, how many people do you think would be willing to wake up from what seems to be a very nice life, not a perfect life, into a reality that you are, A, not in control, B, you're going to have to be very careful how you talk, how you act. You're going to have to run in some cases, not because you've done anything illegal, but because the system is weaponized against you. You're going to be actively censored. And there are going to be very few people that you will find along the way that will stand by you and understand what's actually happening.

I would gather not a lot of people want that kind of life. Most people want a nice house, two garages, two cars, 2.5 kids, vacation once a year. And their kids playing soccer, playing hockey. I want to go back to the 1980s. well, we're way past that. Can we get back to that? You would have to hold and re-change the framework of government. So this is like a magic trick.

I'm going to use your magic trick. I have said this democracy, you know, in general. Maybe it was the greatest magic trick that the monarchy ever we pulled, right? Like we have control, but, you know, you realize we don't have control. I think you got to, you know, I guess it's like, can you walk around and wake up 50 people and they all want to come and live this, this weird life? I don't know. When you put it that way, it's like, no, probably not. What if I told you by starting to speak the truth and just like starting to work on yourself and starting to just not lie to yourself anymore? You know, I'm just going to tell the truth. I'm just going to, I'm just going to find ways to, to, you know, not maybe indulge in certain things and maybe, you know, although, I love the Emmington Oilers are in your case once upon a time to Quebec Nordiques, maybe the Montreal Canadians, I don't know.

You know, like maybe you just take a step back from that and you just, you just pay attention in a couple things. You just start talking about this thing. And then you're going to run into Vesper and you're going to have an electric conversation. You know, what the hell was that? Yeah. And then it comes up morbid. I understand.

And then, and then you're going to have another one. And then another one. And then another one, you're going to start meeting this community. It's going to be just eclectic. You can't write, you know, you can't begin to understand what society has sitting there for you. It doesn't mean you have to become a political activist or try and burn down anything or trying. It just means you're starting to see things. You're starting to talk about things that actually matter.

Man, talking about things that actually matter, you'd be surprised how healthy it is. Well, can I add something? So you mentioned Jordan Peterson. I love watching Jordan. You know what Jordan offers really beyond being very well read and are. articulate. Jordan demonstrates that things are not as simple and that there is a hierarchy and a scaffolding to thoughts built on other thoughts, built on other thoughts, built on motivations, built on other motivations, that they're never so simple. Humans want a candy wrapped simple answer,

but really there is a hierarchy to things. No one wants to go down that rabbit hole. very few very few and that number is increasing that's the only thing i hope so but here's the problem is as people navigate down you also need you you need to have a proper comprehension of the tools as you navigate down this hole because dude i have met some complete wackos that have gone down this hole and gone completely to the left or right in their thinking and they they're like you know like people are inseminating my brain with the radio waves. And like it's, you can go far with this. The thing that Jordan has, he doesn't have it perfect, no one does.

But at least he has the historical tools. He's equipped with a great memory. He's equipped with a sense of understanding in his field of psychology. He understands human cognitive functioning. He understands all these are tools that help him parse the data as he's going down this rabbit hole. How many of us do? How many impersonators of Jordan Peterson will there be that don't have the tools that he has to break down this? Probably right. So I agree with you. I'm glad more people are waking up. But some people are waking up ill equipped with the tools to navigate this. There's a there's an old saying from from bygone era that says he that is a slave to the compass has the freedom of the seas. and the person that understands the compass,

understands how it works, understands even constellations how they work, can go anywhere he wants. But we have a bunch of people waking up, don't know how to use a compass, and immediately jumping to black pill conclusions, and don't understand human nature. But that's why this is so important.

Yes. That's why what we have going on right now is so important because there's all the people waking up and freaking out, going what's going on i i agree look let's do something practical i'm not asking people to get a phd or a master's degree in in sociology or psychology or any of that let's just assume for the most part about yourself like i'll talk about me i'm inherently a selfish person i have to fight that instinct in my marriage i myself as well right i am inherently a cocky arrogant son of a you know and i have to fight this by saying, well, I shouldn't be this way because I wouldn't want others to be like

that to me. It's the golden rule, right? Do unto others as you would want them to do unto. So if you're not self-aware, forget PhDs for a second. There's a reason why a lot of doctors got this whole thing wrong and they were paid off. And a lot of regular people who don't have PhDs got it right. Because the people that are self-aware, if you're not aware of your capacity to do evil, this is what Jordan talked about, didn't he? Yes. He said, oh, you'd think you would have done differently in the time of, you know, fascist Germany? Yeah. No. You would have been one of them. Most likely, not 100%, but most likely. Because let's face it, the idea that your kids could be imprisoned and wife in prison is a hell

of a motivator to make you do some very bad stuff so that you could save your family. How many people would say no, you know, kill my family. I'm standing on my principles. You see, that's where the rubber meets the road. Human beings have to come to terms with who they are, and they have to assess who they are, not by their own metric, but by a higher standard of truth.

Am I selfish? Am I willing to lay down what I believe to help my fellow man, even if I disagree with them, even if this person hates me. Am I willing to still help them? Am I the kind of person that is vengeful? Am I, do I take, do I pay back evil for evil or good for evil? Or do I only side with people that only believe what I believe in as if like there's one right side?

Like we talked about a minute ago, you're right. A bunch of great ethical things happened because of this whole terrible, you know, last five years. but a whole lot of horrible stuff started happening also. So the idea is to know thyself, right? It's that old maxim, temet no say, um, it's, do you know who you are? And I think if my advice could be to anybody is examine yourselves, examine without hypocrisy who you are.

Are you the kind of person that would throw someone else under the bus to get yourself ahead? And if you are, there is something sincerely wrong with your compass. that's how I would frame it for those without even needing a PhD. Are you that, are you that kind of a person that would do anything to get ahead at the expense of others? And then just take that and just superimpose that to government. I mean, what is Trudeau? He is essentially that.

I will put anybody under the bus to further my agenda and my friend's agendas. Bottom line, I have no ethics. I don't believe in ethics. If I believed in ethics, I wouldn't do the things that I was doing. It would be very clear. But this is what makes it so ugly, right? Like, what did it say? The emperor has no clothes?

Like, we're seeing that you have no ethics, but you're giving the impression that somehow you do by speaking a certain way. It's an insult to the Canadian intelligence. But that's him. He's an easy target. Pierre might be an easy target and anyone else. But what about you? start with you and i think jordan peterson talked about that in his book right clean up your own room

before you try to clean up anyone else's room it is a call to examine yourself and your life and i think by doing that that's first how you start being honest about this whole thing and you stop vilifying people if you find hypocrisy lives in you and i would just tack on to the cling in your room or by doing inner work or or starting to examine yourself you know and i'm I'm definitely the audience knows I'm no scholar. But the one thing is, is like, it doesn't happen overnight. Like cleaning your room, you know, when you visualize that, you're like, okay, how dirty is your room? Is it, you know, like, does it take an hour?

Does it take three hours? Or do you have a relatively clean room and you make your bed? And you're like, yeah, the bed's made. Okay. Like, regardless how bad it is, you think, I don't know, less than a day. Less than 24 hours that room is spick and span. But the actual going inside and dealing with some of the things you just brought up Vesper, right? Like, am I selfish?

Like, you know, truly, am I? That's something that could take years, decades, to wrestle with. And you probably never will stop wrestling with that thought. And, I mean, that's probably the one thing that's missed in Jordan Peterson's book is, and I don't think he misses much, is just, and maybe it's in there, you know, it's been a while since I read it. it's just the time it takes to self-examine and to go walk through that process. I think about coming to Christianity. You know,

I've been podcast in five and a half years. And it was the summer of 2022 where I first brought up God on the podcast for the first time ever. Drew Weatherhead conversation. People could go back and listen to it. He was caught off guard. I was nervous even bringing up the topic. And, you know, like, I know it's funny. It is funny, right?

It's like, why would we not be able to bring up a topic? But I'm telling you, I was terrified. I mean, it's, it's, we sing it when we're, when we're, when we're, when we're, when we're, when we're, when we're, when we're, when we're, we're, you don't even think about it. You know, it's, it's, it's almost like it's there. Well, we become, it's because we've become intellectual, Sean. There's no room for intelligence when you talk about God, but you start, God's not

intelligent. You start moving in a direction and don't set a time, you know, like, certainly, certainly, with politics, we look at, okay, there's an election coming no matter what at that point. But when we're talking about the inner, you know, you just start talking about something. You start working on it. You start day by day moving in the direction. Pretty soon you're going to look back and go, holy crap, look how far I've come, you know? Like, I didn't see that coming. It's not a race when you're talking about yourself and the inner side, cleaning your room.

It's a journey. And that journey is full of ups and downs. And it's a ton of fun. It is an adventure every single day. It's I mean, my audience is wonderful. Probably get a bunch of texts off this

because I've been enjoying the heck out of this conversation, right? I'm sure they can feel it. I'm enjoying it too, man. I'm enjoying it too. It's the, if we all started to clean our room, which I know is pie in the sky.

I'm going to steal that again. Because to me, everyone's not going to do this. Because as you pointed out, as you put everybody into this one group, why did some go one way and some go the other? I'm worried about the, ones that went the one way okay what can that group do over the next decade two or three

and what happens to society when they get organized which i think is happening i maybe maybe i'm wrong maybe i'm way too damn hopeful you are i see that and i go where does that lead you are and i'll tell you why if based on faith just on scripture this world is destined for destruction True. Wait, hold on. Hold on. I'm not done. Let me finish. There is a happy ending, but it comes after much tribulation. That's what we have to understand. Humanity is devolving and will implode this if you are a believer, if you are a Christian.

If you're an atheist, it's okay. You will see it with your eyes. humanity will devolve. And then one day, everything is going to turn completely authoritarian. And then our savior will come and rescue us from it all. When? No one knows. You don't want to believe that?

That's fine. I do. But the point is, it's not like as if it wasn't spoken about. It took one generation, bro, for murder to enter the human race. That's all you need to know about humans. the wrestling between the good and the evil.

Good and evil, that war of light and dark is always, always going to exist. And in this world, and I don't want to sound preachy either, but if you remember that when Jesus was being tempted by the devil, the last temptation was, if you kneel to me, I will give you all the kingdoms of this world verbatim, for they are mine to give. God is God, but the devil has swayed many authorities

and now controls a lot of people that have made a lot of deals. I know we have this idea of selling your soul. It's not really selling your soul. It's more like a compromise, right? And the compromise is to get rich and to do away with your conscience. A lot of people have forgone their conscience

because they see no value to it. What good is my conscience is if I'm hungry? And so a lot of elitist billionaires, a lot of them are probably the most perverse because there's no room for conscience with stuff like this. No matter how good and how well dressed in an Armani or Hugo Boss suit they get dressed up in, no matter what office or title they hold,

no matter what humanitarian thing they do. I mean, look at Bill Gates. Mr. I own all this money and I'm helping Africans and implementing digital IDs now in Africa. Like, you'd have to be really dumb to think human beings are like altruistic saviors. Human beings are usually in it for themselves. There's a reason why he's a billionaire, maybe trillionaire,

and you're not, right? It's not because he's so smart. It's that he's willing to do things maybe you're not. You know, trying to walk right. and do business right in this world, you can get a lot done by kissing a lot of ass and doing a lot of wrong to get ahead. And unfortunately, that's this world. No one wants to see it, Sean. I'm not saying you don't. I'm saying most people don't want to accept that if you kiss enough ass and do a lot of wrong things, you can make it ahead a lot faster. And I wonder like I agree with you,

you know, revelation is pretty clear on what's to come. It doesn't give a time frame, though. Is it a thousand years or is it 20? Nobody knows. And by the way, yeah, and by the way,

that's why I'm still fighting. I'm not saying it's a, like written and that's it, give up. No, I'm saying we know the end and then the end after the end. So let's not all as Christians pretend

that there is this like Valhalla waiting for humanity. Sure. I guess I just, I'm like, I'm kind of like, you know, you can only do what you can at the time that's been given to you, right? And since I figured out there's this higher thing, you know, and started putting that into my life, things have got immeasurably better.

I can't even, you know, just on a personal side. And it's anchored. It's anchored you. And I go, if this can anchor me, how many other people can an anchor? And then what comes when people are anchored? I go better things. I mean, certainly the opposite side, you know, Ephesion 6, you know, we don't wrestle in flesh and blood, but against powers of, you know, sensibilities and in dark places.

Yeah, yeah, I understand. And so this is already going on. And I guess I look at, okay, there was a whole bunch of people before COVID that weren't anchored had no clue. Case in point, this guy. then you come through COVID and it gets fractured and out of that comes a whole bunch of people waking up and they're being pulled different ways fair and I just look at it and I go I understand it sounds hopeful and I understand what scripture says happens at the end but I'm going okay but here I sit in this time and I think there are things that can be done through my life and hopefully my children's life to better humanity I don't know if that's That's, I'm going to share something with you. Can you share this with your audience? Let's illustrate what I'm saying.

I'm going to drop it in the chat here. I do it on X, but I'll drop it in the chat for you. I know you could share this. Have you ever heard of standing order 23 and what it is in the in our commons? Standing order 23. No. Very few people know about this. I think you're going to be amazed and shocked as you read it.

Okay. And maybe you want to share it to your audience so that they could Sure. Is there anything specific you want to? I'm going to read all of it. I'm going to read all of it. Yep, sure. Okay. But I want people to be able to see it so that they could or you could send them a link or share with this. I'll put it in the show notes is what I'll do that way. That way they can do. And on X, if you're watching on X, I'll put it as a comment. That way you can find it. Perfect. So I want you to see this with me as I'm reading it. Okay. And this is an illustration of humanity in a nutshell in Canada. as a microcosm of the bigger problem that we're all dealing with here

in terms of governance and human behavior. One of the privileges of individual members entitles them to carry out their parliamentary duties freely without intimidation or interference. An attempt to tamper with this privilege where bribery undermines the independence of members and by extension of the House itself and amounts to a contempt of parliament.

As such, the standing order in referring to an attempt at bribery, as a high crime and misdemeanor, tending to the subversion of the Constitution, underlines the gravity with which the House views the offense. Oh, great. Okay. Few recorded instances of attempted bribery. Did you read that? Few.

Like, really? For a hundred and some odd years, only a few. Okay. Let's just pretend that that's what they're saying, right? Few recorded instances of attempted bribery exist. In an instance, in an early instance, a member Rosen that, House to say that someone had attempted to buy his vote. The House immediately ordered the accused party taken into custody, but Parliament was prorogued before the individual could

be questioned at the bar. And the matter was never taken up again. In a more recent instance, it was alleged that a bribe had been offered to a member on condition that he changes parties' allegiance by crossing the floor of the House. The Standing Committee on Privilege and Elections was ordered to study and report on the charge, but on investigative. concluded that the allegation was unfounded and the matter went no further. Instances where a member accepts the offer of a bribe or even arranges for one in consideration of his or her work in Parliament are not foreseen by the rule, although such actions could also be viewed as a breach of privilege.

This could also be seen as a violation of the conflict of interest code for members appended to the standing orders which prohibits members from furthering their private interest in the execution of their duties. The Parliament of Canada Act makes illegal the attempt at bribery and the acceptance of a bribe and sets out penalties where the law has been broken. Are we clear you and I so far on this? Now, let's apply the historical summary of an instance of what happened. Look at the first paragraph under historical summary. There are no reported instance.

Remember, this is a government portal, guys. There are no reported instances where the House has agreed that this standing order has been breached. What? In two cases, however, allegations to this effect were made. The first occurred on November 3, 1873, when Mr. Cunningham, the member for Marquette, stated that in the House that he had been approached by Ottawa Alderman Henney, with an offer of a large sum of money if he voted with the government in an impending division upon hearing this. The House immediately ordered the Sergeant at Arms to take Mr. Henney into custody, When the sergeant-at-arms appeared with him the next day, the House being in the midst of a heated debate on the Pacific scandal charges merely ordered that Henny remained in attendance until called.

Three days later, a motion was finally moved that he be brought to the bar. At that moment, Black Rod arrived to summon the House to hear a prorogation speech. Look at the next sentence. A new government had found it necessary to prorogue because of the great number of. of vacancies created upon the assumption of office of the new ministry soon after. What happened? Parliament was dissolved when the new house had returned and did not further investigate the affair. It gets worse. You can keep reading the rest for later. Look at how and what our system is. Clearly caught, ready to do it. What are we going to do? Let's just dissolve government.

and then nobody will talk about it again. No accountability. And then it says, if I may just read the next paragraph, it was not until 1964 that another former allegation of attempted bribery was made. In this case, member rose on a question of privilege and gave an account of a meeting that he had with an organizer from another party. The organizer, he said, had offered him a fat electoral fund if he crossed the floor. the matter was allowed to stand over to the next day when another member claimed that if, if accurate, the alleged incident constituted an attempt to bribe a member of the House. The allegations was referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections for Study,

which found no evidence of attempted bribery when it reported several weeks later. Apart from these two incidents, there had not been many cases of allegations of accepting bribes in exchange for favors. I'll stop there. It's not the end. People can read it. But how ludicrous is this, Sean? Are you telling me that for the past century, that there have not been bribes being done in Canada, in government?

Well, I mean, just go to something everybody can understand, or at least in my brain, you can understand, right? You know, government, the world of government is becoming a more thing, something I understand more and more as the day goes by. but I'm a relative rookie at it. I look at the NHL. Look at what they've done over the course the past 10 years with free agency.

And if nobody knows what the heck I'm talking about, then I'm sorry, I guess I'm in my own world. But they extended five days, I believe it is, before free agency for teams to talk to other players who were assigned by said teams, which is illegal, but they've made a new rule. Why? Because they knew it was going on. That's why the rule is there.

And I would even argue even further. that they they everybody knew it was going on they're just trying to find a way to you know make it a little more cordial if you would yeah and when you point out the instances in government it's laughable and it's probably more of the culture there that you know like if you wanted to it it had to be really egregious that you offered money and it entered into there because chances are up until that point that was just something you did you went to offer to guy is that a liberal conservative problem. Look, do me a favor. Just drop down to the second historical summary of standing order 232. Now, I don't know, are you good at reading?

Where am I? Okay, wait a second. Historical standing order 231, 232, historical summary standing standing order. Right. Yeah, that's the one. Historical summary standing order 232, okay. And where are my shooting at? What paragraph? I just want you to read the first two paragraphs. That's it. Between 1867 starting there. Yeah. Okay, between 1867 when the standing order was first adopted, in 1873, when the Dominion Controverted Elections Act was passed, the House itself via Elections Committee's adjudicated controverted elections and hence routinely passed judgment on cases of bribery and corruption

in electoral contests. Shortly before the 1873 Act was passed, however, a different procedure was followed when a major bribery scandal was revealed. It was alleged in early April of that year that several ministers and government supporters had received large sums of money from Sir Hugh Allen of Montreal. Of Montreal! Montreal! Montreal!

Keep going. During the 1872 election, with which the electorate had been bribed in exchange for which had been agreed that Alan would be awarded the Charter of the Building of the Pacific Railway. The motion alleging these facts, which called for the formation of an investigatory committee composed of members from both the government of opposition sides of the hospital. House was defeated. A few days later, the Prime Minister came to the House with a motion of his own seeking the establishment of a special committee to inquire. A special committee.

Inquire into and report upon the allegations. Some months later, after the committee had been rendered powerless and the Royal Commission appointed in its place, the matter came to a head when the opposition unhappy with the course taken moved a motion of censor of the government. After several days of debate, the government resigned in a new amendment. was formed nobody went to jail nobody went to jail nobody went to jail nobody went to jail what goes back to the culture thing this has been right this has been going on a lot longer than covid or trudeau this has been a culture of government so my question but my question comes back to then okay let's take let's take this this hopeful idea and go will there be a chance you don't

I've had Martin Armstrong on here several times. He points at, I think it's 2032, where he says there's going to be giant upheaval in society, to the point where Canada, in his mind, splits into two or multiple. United States splits. When you get an opportunity to, I can already feel best for his answer coming, but it doesn't matter. Let's say all of a sudden Western Canada became a new country where you can you can put in your, you know, your government the way you want it. And you factor in.

And it's a republic. And it's a republic. Sure. And you can factor in that there's been this group of people through COVID and other things up until COVID. I'm not just going to see a load that that are good. This is where it needs to head. There is an opportunity where you could change a whole bunch of this.

Yes. Is there not? Yes. Now, what did you think I was going to say? You were going to come back to the. human condition and we're going to put loopholes and a whole bunch of shit in it that's going to frustrate us 100 years from now. We've just met the first that bro.

How are you reading my thoughts better than my wife? You're reading my thoughts better than my wife reads them. How do you know this? Because it is a propensity of humans that while one generation, maybe two generations is okay, eventually. It's cyclical. And erosion begins to happen. I want to share a story that a story that everyone should read. You might have read it. It's called The Lottery by Shirley Jackson.

It's a short story. I'm not going to tell anyone about it. It's very, it was a pivotal short story in my life about the human condition. Humans, what used to be sacred, given enough time, can just become repetitive. And the meaning and the essence, of what this was is lost, but the actions carry on, the traditions carry on. There's no more meaning to it. We're just repeating it, but we don't understand the depth of what it meant when we created this tradition.

People were, let me ask you a question on, we wear poppies. Do you think when we were a poppy today, it's like when you wore a poppy, like weeks after what happened? What happened? Months after what happened? Symbolism is a powerful thing, but if you don't understand the symbolism, it can't have the same. But you can repeat it, right?

You'll still wear it. Yeah. But it does not go into the heart. Well, if you don't understand the meaning, or you might even toss on if you didn't lose loved ones to that said war, or had to have lived in society, how can they possibly understand? So I protected my kids from this whole COVID BS. They're going to have kids where there won't be, let's say, COVID. I mean, at this point, it might be MPox. Who knows?

Yeah, but in fairness. The point is, what happens when we all get past this legislative money coup? And they can read it in history books. But they didn't live. Then it becomes a story. And the story becomes a warning of what not to do. And how many? to repeat it right and how many were traumatized in that generation to not repeat it you see that's the

problem the problem is that you're not wrong the the west breaks off republic everything's the truth no more stealing everyone's held to account one generation two generation hut hut and then everything goes down the shitter because it's going to happen at some point where somebody's going to come into power, Kenny, who does not care about the average Albertan. He cares about having his position and the prominence that gives us. Baspere, let me ask you this, okay, knowing, I hope I'm entertaining you. Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? That's another good movie as well. I actually just watched Gladiator the other night. I love that movie. Just a quick side note. Are you happy they're making Gladiator too? Or are you like,

Why the hell would you mess with it? Like such an iconic film. Because there's no more original ideas. You might be right. I don't know. I don't know. I'm saying that, I mean, if we're honest, if we're honest, Jim Carrey did the same movie for about a decade. And if we're honest, Adam Sandler did the same movie for about a decade.

And Will Ferrell and Ryan Reynolds. They're all the same movie, right? I might throw at you Christopher Nolan. I think Christopher Nolan has done a remarkable job in filmmaking. Look, Christopher Nolan is a hero for me. But let's get into that another time. So well, once again, this is my whole freaking point is that you can still have Christopher Nolan and he can change. We can go on there's no original movies made.

But there is Christopher Nolan. No, no, we were talking about that other character like an Adam Sandler or whatever. Yeah, but but how many Christopher Nolan's do we have, Sean? Well, in filmmaking, uh, if I had Tom Llewong, on, he'd probably bring up three or four different guys. Out of how many? Out of how many? I don't know.

Thousands? I don't know. How many filmmakers are there? So they're not the rule. They're the exception. But we need the exceptions. But how many exceptions can you find over many generations? But how many do you need?

Well, okay. Let's assume you have one leader in this new Western country. Okay. He lives 40 years ruling. completely unfettered by any bribe has more than his heart's content he's a lumberjack he loves going out and fishing and killing and hunting and he lives in their very you know humble state he doesn't need the prominence he doesn't care about TVs he says it like it is he believes in guns he believes in all this great his son is more ambitious and his son wants to run on his father's name

and he'll say everything his father said until he gets into power. Guarantee me that the son will not repeat the sins or not do the sins the father didn't do. Now, okay, let's assume the son doesn't do it. What about the grandson and that the trends change in Alberta? Now, y'all are not loggers anymore. You guys are more cell tower technologists after like eight generations or something. You guys are like the pioneers of super technology. And you become the new Silicon Valley because a lot of oil is in the West.

And you guys could just make your own Googles and Facebooks and everything. And Quebec can die with their puteen and their hydroelectricity because it doesn't get them anything. And you guys are living large and rich and wealthy. And you're having great stakes. You've been taking notes from twos having you? No, no, no. We've never talked about this, honestly. No, I know.

I'm teasing. All that happens. Are you telling me that? that with wealth and prosperity, that human beings will, leaders will not compromise? Human beings historically compromise. With power and money. No, no, not humans. Leaders. There will always be a faction of humans like you, Sean, who will stand up. But do not think so highly of yourself as to think that if I put you in power and entrust you with billions, maybe trillions of dollars, that you might not

compromise. I don't say that about myself. Listen, I'm not trying to sit here and say that I should be the guy leading West. I got it all figured up. But let's say you did. Let's say it was you don't have it all figured out. No, but let's say it was you. Let's pretend it was you. Let's have fun. You're the new leader. I get a trillion the dollars. And you get to dictate by fiat and legislative order in a republic, how things work. Fine. First five years, everybody's winning. You know, uh, you're You're making everyone wealthy. The streets are fixed. The hospitals are fixed.

You're bringing in the best doctors. But the thing that needs to be fixed isn't the hospitals and the roads. And certainly those are symptoms of what needs to be fixed. What needs to be fixed is government. But wait. Leadership. Will you create laws? Why wouldn't I?

Hold on. You would think that. Because it's been about 100 and some odd years. Why are no laws being created to imprisoning? and prime ministers and MPs who break the rules. Why is it ethics violations, not criminal violations? Come on, man. Are we trying to really say you and I are better than every person that has ever been in

government in Canada? I think, um, no, uh, definitely not. I mean, everybody was on, everybody was on Daniel Smith's side as being this new savior and now everybody's finding a ton of errors. I still like her. But I'm just saying, if you're looking for like some savior, yeah, well, wait till you get given a whole lot of power and money. Let's see how you do. But once again, I completely agree with you.

You know, I'm chuckling on this side, because I'm like, oh, let's be very clear. On this side, one of the things I do on this show is I bring on people that know more than me all the time because I don't know Jack. I don't have this idea that if I was putting in power, that I'd have all the best. best ideas. I don't. No, you don't need ideas. You don't need ideas. You'll hire people like me for your ideas. No problem. Sure. The question is, do you really believe you will create laws for you I think a lot of people today, Vesper, enter politics, thinking they can enact change, get into it, realize how big the machine is, and go, oh, I hadn't thought about that. Oh, I can't do that. And we got to do that. And I just, and get paralyzed. Oh, yeah. And. And, and. And,

that i am beholden to this company that donated millions of dollars yes oh and there's this interest that has millions of dollars but you're saying you give me a trillion dollars and i'm beholden to no one right i'm going to try my best but my best is is no no you're missing the point here shan you might actually do amazing but then you die yes and now and now you're beholden to the the structure that you put in place and Over time, you will erode said structure to the point of a downfall. And I... Isn't that what Canada was?

Hmm. Was it? Yes. I mean, there were things like if you did an ethical violation, they would normally do what? They would step down. One. And they would step down. But if you go back to the formation of Canada, to me, it looks more and more like it was strategically done by the British

on how we would become and what we would become. Yes. And what we'd be given. I studied how they came to understand this in Australia and other parts of the world that were under the Commonwealth. Here's what you need to understand. It was never designed to be a perfect system. It was an abdication of the throne to give it over to the populace.

And there is some links still with the throne and blah, blah, blah. But here's the point. The point is, I'm not saying you can't create a better system of governance. What I'm saying is creating this system of governance requires people that are not afraid to create the laws that would hold themselves accountable. Correct. What we've noticed, and if you read this thing that you're going to share with everyone from our comments, is that an act has superseded another act. Then an act was amended to supersede another act. But parts of this act were still kept.

And then parts of this act are now also going to be kept. And then it's made such a confusion where act is stacked upon act, stacked upon act, that at some point, and I don't know if you knew this, the Speaker of the House was allowed to arrest and imprison and jail whoever they want. So this Fergus guy has the right, according by law, if he finds evidence of any kind of bribery, for instance, to immediately call the sergeant in arms and arrest that member of parliament right there and bring him into the bar.

But what they've done is they've obfuscated this and have relied more on passing it over to the judiciary branch, which is the judges, to rule on these matters. And why is that? Easy. Because I have only one speaker, but I can have multiple judges. The system we have is not designed for us. It's designed for them. That the people that enter-

So then let me ask you this, Vesper. Okay? With all this, you got, okay, fair enough. So you stare at the next, year next five years and you go strategically i'm here to get just and trudeau to get the liberals out so we can have we can have a not a clean slate by any stretch of the matter no no no different leadership right let's see what that looks like right let's that's your strategic goal am i wrong in that yeah no you're not and why i don't have a glass ball what i'm willing to do is all right

let's topple this decrepit monster and let's see what this monster, if it be a monster, is made of. I personally have enough on the conservatives that if within the first six months, especially if you have a super majority, you begin to renege and make excuses on things that I know you don't have to make excuses on. Like, for example, Defunding the CBC very easy for me. It takes, you know, just, it's just bureaucracy at that point, but the point is it's put in motion. And there is a definitive deadline and a timeline of when this is going to happen. That's for example. But what about all the criminal prosecution that was cabinet confidence under the previous administration? I ran, you will never believe this,

Sean. I ran a poll not too long ago. I don't know if anyone ever told you this. I ran a poll about what and this is remember when housing started getting really, really bad and everybody was complaining that oh my god, houses have doubled and it's so bad. What do we do? And I'm like, you know what? There's a lot of things happening also, the slush fund thing, the what do you call it, the arrive can thing were happening. And everyone was so inundated that I was like, you know what, I want to run a poll and I ran a poll and I'm going to share this poll with you and I want to show you what the sentiment was. I couldn't believe it. by the way i put it here in the chat and i wanted to know what are the polls is okay what do you think

is going to happen are they going to be removed by 2024 yada yada yada is it is it this is it that and they were like no everyone thinks it's going to be by 2025 that they're going to be removed i was like oh well that's super fascinating and i'm like okay then let me ask another question and this was prior to this and i wanted to corroborate the two here's the second one Now, look at what Canadians and look at how many people voted. 6,000 people spoke up and look at what their concerns was. The second Pierre becomes the new PM. Now you explain this to me.

So for the listener, okay, just so I can, I'm just going to walk them through this one more time, best work. You put out two polls, the first poll said, just taking a poll, a few people I know and I are banking on spring. election. The ducks are lining up strategically with all the info we have collected from polls to speaking with various parliamentarians. When do you believe the election will be held if you had to guess? 42% of voters said 2025, okay? All the other, all the other ones were sometime in 2024. Obviously, the only one that can happen at this point would be essentially a fall election, but even then we're getting a little bit long in the tooth, 2025 looking to be. The next one you have is I have a personal poll and I apologize if I'm re I just want to make sure everybody listening

that isn't looking at the screen understands what what uh bespers put out so the second one is I have a personal pull I would like everyone to answer as honestly as possible I genuinely genuinely want to know what most Canadians want to prefer want or prefer sorry from pierre poliav when he is elected PM the question which of these is most important to you is the order of the first order of business for the new PM. the last thing you know that everybody's complaining about right now a lot of people so dead last at 7.7% is housing affordability by the way that's 6,000 almost 6,000 votes right and the 600 6,000 people almost voted on this immigration at 22.7% axing the carbon tax at 35 uh 34.5% and the number one thing so what i guess what the conservators

was running on is, I guess for my eyes, is all the things that people put as the lowest amounts. Am I wrong what I'm seeing from your poll? Yeah, no. Number one thing that people said, 35.1% said the criminality of the liberals. That's what they want. They believe that's the first order of business. Now, you, how do you interpret that? Because I'm still struggling with this. I really thought housing would be like number one by like 70%. And maybe, acting the carbon tax at like 20% and everything else. How do you interpret that? 6,000 people. Like I talked to Northern Perspective. I'm sure you've watched Northern Perspective. And I've spoken to Ryan about this and I was like, tell me you're not shocked.

He's like, dude, when I saw the poll, I was shocked. Because logically, you would think we would just want to come back to normal. This government has so angered people that they would rather like F housing F food F F F F F this I want justice that's where we've gotten to this is what I'm talking about and maybe this poll says it perfectly what happened a miscalculation in their plan whoever's plan you want to put it as was that it pushed all these people into this this realm together and sure in that realm you have good and bad and these people look at it and go housing is a symptom food is a symptom all these things are symptoms we need to fix what is going on and we've been talking about it now for two hours what's going on is

the government is broken and i agree with you but to me that the the the poll although surprising is what i've been trying to get my brain wrapped around in in moving forward is like how do you move forward in a way yes and what did you see before in standing order 23 is that the government is going to show and do things and then slide it to the backburn slide it to the back burner and will they will they get caught no they'll get away with it everybody is going to feel like there is not going to be just as done you know eventually though the guillotine comes up and i'm not suggesting that to No, no, no. I don't, I know you don't mean it in a physical way. I'm saying. Eventually, frustrations boil to a point. Yes, but where the mob takes over. I know, but it doesn't,

so long as you can go have your double double. That's what they're banking up. They're banking on, they're banking on the main league winning the Stanley Cup. You know, when Barry Bettman fixes it, so the Leafs win, we know we were that close to do shit really hitting the fan. Yes, think about it. When do things really, revolutions really happen? When I can go to Tim Hortons and get my donut and double double, when did it happen in Sri Lanka? Well, when did it happen here in Canada? Well, and that wasn't a full on.

And it clearly didn't. And it clearly didn't because you could still go to Timmy's and buy your coffee and get a croissant. And what happens when you can't live anywhere anymore? What happens when you can't even buy a sandwich for your little kid or diapers? What happens when your back is against the wall? That's when things happen. That's when things happen throughout history. It happened in Greek under Alexander, under his father, under Caesar, under every Caesar.

It happened under every emperor, Charlemagne. It happened in Napoleon. It happened with everyone. What happened to Louis XVIth again? What triggered the whole thing? What did Marianne Tuanette say? Let them eat cake. Oh, really.

When does it come where revolutions actually happen? Is it going to be political revolutions? It should. It should be nonviolent. I always advocate for nonviolence, but the human condition dictates the humans prefer a form of opulence and want somebody else to do all this for them and that humans are somehow going to change

and that we're going to all live in this utopia. and it's not going to happen. The problem is not because I'm advocating for violence. What I'm showing is the reality of what we're looking at. Humans feel wrong, but the system is designed by people who will not make it so that it holds them accountable. So who's the one going through this? It's like a woman, and I hate to use this kind of visualization. It's a woman that was physically abused, maybe raped, goes to court, has all the evidence, shows it to the judge,

and the judge looks at the evidence and then says it's moot. Then you have Brian Peckford, one of the original signees of the charter. Go to court for travel bans. And because they stopped it, it's now moot. Are you kidding? This is not just anybody. This is one of the original signatories of the Charter of Rights coming to you. You think you're going to tell him, well, it's moot?

You understand he's talking about press. here, right? Yeah, no, you know, it's over now, so I guess we can't talk about it. Can you imagine saying that to that abused woman? Well, I mean, it was in the past. The guy has, you know, stopped doing it. So I guess we can't proceed with your case. And there will be no justice for you in this. And you should be okay with that. And now even this federal court ruling right on the Emergencies Act, have we heard about what's going to actually happen? even after the appeal is turned over, what's going to happen? What a slap on the wrist? Yeah, that's going to fix a whole lot of problems for a whole bunch of people that went through hell. And Canadians are going to be very leery of every government and every politician, sadly, and in a way good, right? Like, you need to be aware of what's being out there.

but unfortunately a lot of people have lost faith in their institutions, whether it be medical, governmental, judicial. Congratulations, Justin Trudeau. You've turned everyone into a cynic. And I hope that you enjoy the rest of your candidate because you've ruined it for your own kids as well. And no matter how much money that they have, and no matter how many of the people that were with you

that made all this money and all this whatever that you wanted, this fake utopia. I feel sorry for all your children as well because you essentially made it harder for people to believe anymore in a society that can be rebuilt. It will take many generations. And Pierre Paulyev, while he will reverse some things,

he will definitely get rid of the carbon tax. He will definitely defund the CBC. But will he be able to fix and implement better framework for parliamentarians that remains to be seen? that's where I am. That's what will happen. Trudeau's gone.

Vesper's account on X is going to be vacated. I'm not deleting it so that people can still download and see the historical record, but I'll just no longer tweet. Pierre Palliev comes on the scene. They do any of the tomfoolery or even remotely like what I think they're going to do. They said they wouldn't do. I'll be back. But until then, I want to give hope that it can change.

But I'm, I'm on the fence because I understand that to change the laws is not an easy task. And especially now, as I'm sure you've noticed, Chudeau's been stacking the Senate with a ton of supposed non-liberals, right? Let's see how that plays out. You're supposed it. They're all liberal. I mean, yeah. No, but that's the issue here, right?

Yeah. What do we do? Do you, how do you flush the whole thing down the toilet and start over again? You can't. Chaos. Right. And I don't think any of us at this point in time want that. And we shouldn't as humans want that.

But when you push someone to a wall and enough people are in a corner, what happens? And I'm not talking about the fringe minority, like the truckers and stuff. It has to be nationwide. Yeah. This is, when do revolutions happen? they happen when everyone is against the law and only a very small minority people isn't so i have enjoyed this i don't know if you know we'll guess we'll wait and see what the audience says but i appreciate you coming on besper i appreciate you uh well i appreciate everybody that

vouched for uh this show and it being worth your time because i've enjoyed the conversation i think uh you know um uh we're we're both staring at the same issue and I really enjoy people that have something to say especially from a Canadian standpoint. At times it really irks me to hear other people from outside the country tell us how our country should be ran and I enjoy when we can have some respectful people come on and and give us some things to think about from a Canadian standpoint and man it's been a lot of fun. I don't know. This is what gets me out of bed every morning is the ability to come sit here and have somebody that, you know, I have no idea who

they are, get to share some things that I think are going to get people wherever they're at. You know, out west when this airs, there's going to be people in full-fledged harvest, right? They're going to be in the combine driving around. And I don't think they were wishing this was a 20-minute conversation. I truly believe that. And I hope at some point in the future you'll come back on and continue on discussing things here can either way thanks for for for hopping on and thanks again to clyde twos and marty for speaking highly of what i do and um you know both well i i'm now i'm now part of that group and i will too thank you for

having me on you are a gentleman and a terrific host i'm sorry if it seemed like i was being too negative i hope i'm not trying i'm not trying to be very negative this is what got jordan peterson into a lot of trouble he's an angry old man no no no no we're we're we're we're not trying to be very negative we're we're reality is all I wanted to talk about. And I hope today I was able to convey that in our conversation. I was not trying to say there is no optimism. I'm trying to say, let's look at reality and let's make that our starting point. And you gave me the platform to do that. And for anyone else that wants to see more of what I'm saying, just visit me on X. Yeah, sweet. I look forward to the conversations that come in time because I feel like this is going to happen again. And, you know, I had to turn Clyde

down for an opportunity to go on his side because of family life. And I hope I get that opportunity in a different forum as well, because it's always fun to have different forums where different hosts host things in different ways and allow different conversations to percolate. And certainly on this side, this is how we do it here. So I appreciate you coming on. I'm going to be this Friday on Clyde's show. So if anyone wants more of my insanity, please feel free to join.

Thanks, Best, for doing this. appreciate you coming on and look forward to the next time. God bless you.