Shaun Newman Podcast - #707 - Tom Luongo & Alex Krainer #15

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

We discuss China and Russia’s influence on the west, Tenet media and all roads lead to London. Tom is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold Goats n’ Guns Podcast. Alex is a Croatian national, former hedge fund manager, author and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. Clothing Link: ⁠⁠⁠https://snp-8.creator-spring.com/listing/the-mashup-collection⁠⁠ Text Shaun 587-217-8500 Substack:https://open.substack.com/pub/shaunnewmanpodcast E-transfer here: [e-mail] Silver Gold Bull Links: Website: https://silvergoldbull.ca/ Email: [e-mail] Text Grahame: [phone]

This is Tom Longo. This is Alex Kraner. This is Lila Micklewaite. Hi, this is David Collum. Hey, this is Gordon McGill. This is Kirk Libdemo. This is Chris Sims. This is James Lindsay, and welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

Welcome to the podcast, folks. Happy Tuesday. Before we get on with today's show, obviously the big news in Alberta yesterday was Tony Olenek's sentenced to six years and Chris Carbert's sentenced to six and a half years before the reduction. Also, Lifetime Firearms, Prohibitions, and DNA submission. It sounds like there's going to be more. Here's Marty up north. He said, prison time for the two remaining coupes, political prisoners or time served,

is roughly equivalent to four years, so each will spend another two years in jail. So if you hadn't been paying attention, we're working on, we were supposed to have a live yesterday, and it just fell through at the last moment. So we're working on bringing on a few different folks. Hopefully we'll have more in the coming days on this. But that's obviously the big news here. here in Alberta. So six, six and a half years, both of them, getting some, I don't even know what to say. Like, I mean, at this point, it seems like the book was thrown at these men after the fact that,

you know, how many times do we have it on this show, folks, where it just seems, you know, like, I mean, some of the stuff going on, you're just like, what? on earth is that and maybe i got it wrong here's here's jason levin too saying they were both sentenced to six and a half so i six six and a half uh once again maybe i'm misreading those i just want to double check that that's why i'm fumbling on this side because i'd read six and six and a half regardless um both men sentenced uh yesterday and that being the big news coming here in alberta if you hadn't been paying attention and uh we're working on a couple things on this side to hopefully uh you know keep you up to date and do alive and bring some people

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Now, let's get on to that tale of the tape. The first is a former research chemist, amateur dairy goat farmer, libertarian, and economist whose work can be found on Zero Hedge and Newsmax Media. He hosts the Gold, Goats and Guns podcast. The second, Croatian National, former hedge fund manager, author, and contributing editor at Zero Hedge. I'm talking about Tom Luongo and Alex Krainer. So buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Sean Newman podcast.

If you subscribe to Substack and are a paid subscriber, you're going to get the first two minutes, which I should, from now on, when you, when you, when you boys walk in here, I'm just clicking record. And I'm going to record that first 10 minutes. We're just going to put it out to because I mean, oh, I mean, that was great. That was great. We just did what, like 15 minutes on the end of the world was pretty much what I was cluing into. This is the 15th installment. People get on me all the time that I need to have you on back sooner, faster, quicker. But the once a month for me just seems like it's, it's beautiful. I'm always happy to see. see you folks. And how are things, gents? Thanks for coming back on.

Well, the subscribers are going to find out that I already think everything's fake and gay. And I'm already mostly checked out playing World of Warcraft at this point. Just waiting for the, you know, I'm just waiting for the traffic to splash by. So that's where I am. You know, it is what it is. Alex, how are you, man? Yeah, doing incredibly well. Yeah, okay. That's not what you said off camera. That's what I said. You didn't ask, well, actually, you didn't ask me how I was doing off-camera.

How are you doing now? How are you doing now? How about this? Yeah, so, you know, it's, yeah, go ahead. No, things are okay. Basically, you know, my weekend started in Croatia. It ended in Monaco. School started today, and that's what I'm not, you know, enthused about.

because now we get the whole school year worth of that same old same old routine Monday the Friday, you know, kids have to go to school, you know, learn about global warming and gender fluidity and all those things. It's okay. In Monaco, it's not a big thing yet, but the climate thing is catching on fast. you know the the humans are destroying the the beautiful planet that's that's get you honest yeah i'll refer refer refer them to the latest podcast i just did with ben davidson that like this is using every freaking notion about what but about what's actually going on in the universe like it this is one of those even if you don't agree with any even anything that ben says right or the the the outcomes have been talking about just the celestial physics themselves lends you put will put you in a position to go you know what

this is really just narcissism on the part of humanity to think that we have any effect at all on what's going on in the universe like it'll bring your humility level back down you know in somewhere close to you know reasonable and but unfortunately it's also a point in point in time where it's probably driving us all insane as well. And so keeping your sanity when the universe is like bombarding you with radiation and high energy particles and a weakening magnetic field and we're all evolved within this system. Like none of it, you know, it's driving everybody nuts and we're electrical creatures like it or not. And, you know, and if the electric, if the, if the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the way electrons flow through your system.

being you changes. Well, and guess what? It changes how you generate hormones, how you do this, how you do it, changes your brain chemistry, it changes everything. And so, you know, it's, it's, it's one of those things that's really funny. I finally got a chance to speak with Ben and when I, and kind of had to come out of the closet about being a, a long-time subscriber to suspicious observers about this and say, look, you know, I don't know if it's freaking crazy or not, but I just know that like, I'm watching it all just happened all at the same time. And the cycles are all there and everything is lining up. And it may not just be that we got crazy commies trying to like drive us all nuts.

They may be putting their thumb on the scale, but, you know, we're already primed for it. It's basically what it comes down to. I'm going to blame this all on Dustin, who you both know, you've been in this barn several times. He texted me at some point in the middle of the night. So I woke up early this morning, listened to Tom and Ben talk. And this is where it all started, Alex. So Alex was not late, but Tom was extremely early. So me and me and Tom started having this conversation over Ben because I'm like,

yeah, where were that? You're like, that was fun. That was like, holy crap. And I've had Tom riled up now for about 20 minutes, you know, like this has been, this has been something. So you come, you come talking about the, you know, like the end of the planet and the different things and going on. And you kind of, you know, you balance that with where the climate alarm is.

is and you're like well it's it's a different version of what could actually go down maybe not the human being sort of torture of the planet right well it's always the way i've looked at it you know without it out that's really that's just not we're just not that important you know we're just not so i was wondering if we could start with china i know that uh we can go wherever you two want to go But I was curious. Just curious. I've had Jamie Sinclair texting me on and off about China. He was on with you, Tom, when we were talking about Trump, him and Chuck Pradnik, two military guys.

Right. And we got talking about China. He goes, asked why nobody is hard on China. And I'm sure lots of people are hard on China. But then we started talking about Canada in particular, right? It's like we talk about the U.S., we talk about all roads lead to London. We talk about all these things. But here in Canada, and we got police stations that are Chinese, several, not a ton, but several on our own soil.

We have, I found out through a blue collar roundtable, our best coal is owned and shipped to China. They influence our politics. We got 11 MPs for Sir that were now considered, I don't know. I think the word to use would be traitor, but, you know, they won't release names anyways. And then you got different parts of cities being bought up, not to mention land and everything. And the United States has its own version. What are your two thoughts on what China is doing? And maybe you can see it in your own scopes or maybe, you know, I don't know.

Just we got talking about it and I was like, well, I'll throw it at these two. You know, you two gents are the ones that stare at the geopolitical landscape the most that I talk. Go ahead, Alex. Okay. So I've been, you know, listening to these things about China and China's police stations in the United States. I didn't know that they existed in Canada as well. But then somebody explained to me that these police stations, quote-unquote, are actually kind of a different form of a consulate

where they're just there to provide certain administrative services to Chinese people living in foreign countries. I don't know if this is true or not. Honestly, I didn't look deep into it. But, you know, I also do know that in the United States, I don't know whether it's the State Department or who, they're allocating $500 million a year to various think tanks to come up with xenophobic stories and rhetoric and things to get people really, really worried about China and get the bubble. mind ready for war with China because this is, you know, this is something that is being talked about in, you know, I can't say for Canada, but I can't say for the United States. It's, you know, in the Washington, D.C. circles is being talked as a cemented certainty

that the United States is going to go to war against China. So you need to prepare the population for this and you need to turn China into some kind of kind of a big boogeyman that needs to, you know, people need to volunteer and go wage war on China. I can't get excited about that for a few reasons. One of them is that China has never really gone abroad across oceans to conquer and colonize. They've never done that in 3,000 years of their history. The only time China was preparing to launch a nation, invasion of Japan was under the mogul, under the, under the, under the, under the mogul leaders, not you know, not not not genuine Chinese. And it seems to

me generally that, you know, it's the the war drive is always coming from the West. United States, Britain are always the ones who go around the world slaying dragons under different pretexts, you know, bringing the light, civilizing, bringing democracy and freedom, making the world safe for democracy, fighting terror, upholding the international rules-based order, whatever it be. And so now this, not only that, but, you know, this alarm about China, I don't know if you noticed, but it's kind of died down in the last few. months. Pretty much, I would say, since October 7 last year, you know, now it's happening in the

Middle East. So now all of a sudden, you know, we don't see so, we don't hear so many alarmist stores about China because now it's, oh, it's Iran. We have to go kill Iran. And I guess, you know, Ukraine is sinking under the waves. So that's more front and center. of the people's, you know, of the public narrative. Anyway, you know, I am extremely skeptical about all these stories that themed to saw the seeds of the next mass formation psychosis. Oh, the Chinese are coming for us and we have to go and kill them. Yeah.

I mean, you know, Alex, it's hard not to take that position on a lot of the stuff and it's certainly something that we should always kind of bracket for. I'm not going to argue with that point at all. And I'm not saying in any way, you know, like I'm, I've always been on the fence about the whole whole thing with China. Because to me, it's, you know, it's a, especially from the United States, I've heard it from too many people who are, you know, closer to the center of power than I am that really so much of this is just rhetoric coming out of the military industrial complex to figure out how they can see. secure their funding for the next generation because they're worried about it because they've

because they're going to lose NATO because that's what that's the real thing here. The real worry is that they're going to lose their pipeline into Europe. Europe is pushing back. They want to militarize on their own. They want to become their own military industrial complex. They want to, they clearly that the French and the Germans want to have their own, you know, their own security architecture and good as far as I'm concerned. But, you know, for the guys over at the board, Raytheon, a Lockheed Martin, and

general dynamics and the rest of them, they need another boogeyman. But so you have that. And so they're always kind of ginning up a thing somewhere, right? But the thing about it is, and this is, and they're on autopilot. So they're doing their thing. This is their, this is the way they've made money for the last hundred years or so. And the banks in the New York banks, traditionally are really fat and happy, you got fat and happy and rich, you know, doing the deals and all the rest of it, right? So now, and then that's the standard analysis. But here's the thing and this is where I like to say okay well that's the way things have been but they're not always going to be that way into the future it's very easy to assume it's always been

this way it'll always be this way but of course the law of diminishing marginal utility states that at some point in any process that the marginal benefit of the next unit of in this case military industrial complex power or money flowing through it into through the New York banks, for example, the juice isn't worth to squeeze at some point, right? And so you, so eventually the force, those forces, counterforces build up and the banks can go, you know what, we don't need to build, we don't need to finance building more F-35s

when there are bridges that need to be rebuilt in the United States, when there's roads that need to be rebuilt, when there are pipelines that need to be rebuilt, when there are schools that need to be rebuilt and blah, blah, blah, blah. So we sent all the capital out, right around the world to build 800 military bases and all this stuff and everything has fallen into this repair and I said this many times like at the end of the day there are so many big projects that can be done chip plants to rebuild you know to be built manufacturing to be brought back on shore that you know

at the end of the day I'm sorry but you know J.P. Morgan and Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs and the rest of them can do a bond equation folks and they can go you know what our are rate of return on those projects is better than, you know, giving more money to Lockheed Martin. So you've got these forces that are pushing against each other. And so like everything else, there are, these are the reasons why everything runs in cycles. And within human psychology, within human activity and everything else. And we can never subscribe. I just, I'm not saying that they're, that we're, that those forces still aren't there,

they are still trying to secure their money for the future and everything else. What I'm saying is that at some point. You always have to be skeptical about what I would call Malthusian thinking, right? That this is the way things are now, project that out into the future, lineary into the future. This is where it's going to go. Never works that way. Ever, ever, ever, ever works out that way, ever. And so that's the way I, that's one way to frame all of this discussion about China.

I remember living in the United States during the 1980s when the Japanese were buying everything. heard the same ship back then. You know, people complaining about the Japanese buying, you know, the, the Chrysler building or whatever, the Sears Tower and this one and that. And they bought everything, you know, and like, okay. Like, and then eventually the yen fell and, you know, the investments lost their rate of return and the money flowed back to Japan and bought out of the United States. And, you know, then this, again, we go back to Martin Armstrong about this stuff. He's really correct in telling him. everybody look everything is a cycle so now all you have to do is figure out where everybody's

incentives are and then you can figure out how the how the cycles are potentially going to shift and i think that's where we're where we are and this is why we you know this is why you and i do the big picture thing the way we do so if i might say no it's this is not to say that there isn't threats there aren't political and and and and there's not political influence and threats and everything else coming from china and or russia it's they're they're active trying to help destabilize the United States. But they're not the only ones. And then the question is, how big is that influence compared to the traditional ones that

are 300 years embedded into the very fabric of the culture of both Canada and the United States, meaning the British, the French, the Germans, the Portuguese, the Dutch, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because that's old money here in the U.S. No one can argue that Russian money in the United States is old money. No one can argue that Chinese money in the United States is really old money. money. But the old money is where all the real power lies. And that's where that's why, I think that's why Alex, you and I, um, resonate with people when we make this point. And then we immediately get pushback from, well, the gatekeepers who were trying to like tell everybody, no, no, no, no,

no, really it's not about Britain. I'm like, no, it's not. It, it really isn't. And so before we, uh, we can certainly talk about old money and Britain, um, and everything else. I just, you said something, Well, you both said two things that stuck out to me. One is I don't bring China up because I want to go to war with China. I think you both know that. I just bring it up because it's like it's, you know, it's like it's in the middle of COVID. You know, you meet somebody who's vaccine injured and they say, oh, no, the news tells you, don't be worried about it.

And then you meet another person. And then just yesterday, I had an old lady go up on my front doorstep to buy something from my wife. And she goes, you're Sean Newman. And I'm like, I am. She goes, I'm one of the backs injured. And I'm like, you know, like the news can keep telling me something. but when everything in front of my eyes is telling me a different story, I go, you know, at some point you trust your eyes.

And with this China thing, I don't mean it in the sense of going to war. I mean it in the sense of actually I didn't know about Japan back in the 80s time. So that's a very interesting point because what you see here in Canada is not that the drums are being beaten. I don't think, you know, that we should go to war with China by any stretch. more just that the influence that China has on our country is a parent. And how do you pull that back? But that doesn't mean other countries aren't trying to do the same thing. I'm sure they're all looking at Canada like the doors are open.

Let the wolves in, you know? Well, okay. So I've been watching at these China news for a number of years now. And there's the there's dots. and there's how you connect them. And so I have no doubt that the Chinese are all over the United States and Canada and elsewhere. They have infiltrated the institutions of education, perhaps law enforcement, definitely politics. They're systematically corrupting and bribing, particularly.

particularly the government officials of the Democratic National Congress, right? They are all over the academia. They're all over Hollywood and so on and so forth. The reason why I'm not so concerned about the Chinese is because I don't think they're after me. I don't think they're after Mr. and Mrs. John Doe. I think that they are after the political, parasitical oligarchy. So I would be worried about the Chinese if I were, I don't know, George Soros or Bill Gates or somebody like this. I don't think that the ordinary man on the street should be concerned particularly about the Chinese in that, in that, you know, like in that, you know, like if you take your dark imagination and then you extrapolate where that might lead.

the Chinese slave drivers whipping white populations to, I don't know, dig up coal for them or something like that. I don't think that kind of a scenario is a real danger. And then of course, you know... I'm more worried about that with Soros, by the way. Yeah, exactly. I would be more worried about that when it came to Soros and Gates and the Koch brothers and so forth. And so, you know, to my mind, the first thing to discern is...

who is the real enemy? And to me, there's no doubt about who the real enemy is. It's not China. It's nobody abroad. It's the people sitting in Washington, D.C., on Wall Street, City of London, Ottawa, and so forth. And so these people are rightly concerned about the Chinese and about Russia. They are coming after them. That I'm concerned. They are coming after them. And this is why they're corrupting families like Biden and other politicians. This is why they're infiltrating the academia and so forth. And they will have their heads. They will have their heads.

So now, what would you do if you were in their shoes and you knew this was the case? Because, you know, when we discover that the Chinese infiltrated Eric Swolell's office, you know, like he had an affair with a Chinese spy, When we learned that the Chinese corrupted Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's brothers and others and Nancy Pelosi and her family and so forth, the Chinese actually have the receipts. We know this happened. The Chinese know everything about everything about this, including the receipts. And so these people are rightly under threats. So what would you do in their shoes?

Well, I don't know. I would take like $500 million of taxpayer money and distribute it to the think tanks to get the whole population to start worrying about the Chinese so that they can all volunteer to be human shields between the Chinese and me. And take my word about who the enemy is. And, you know, the bringing, corraling a population to war is is a long-term project. And it doesn't start on day one with saying like, hey, let's go to war with China because people will say like, why, what's wrong? You know, you boil the frogs. It takes a long time. Anyway, you know, this is dot connecting. And obviously, you know, there's all kinds of stuff under the carpet in the swamp between all these people. But I'll just finish this rap with a quote from 1984, George Orwell, right?

Here's a sentence. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subject. And the object of war is not to make or prevent conquest of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. So, anyway, you know, to me this is, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say, and notice how we started with the war on poverty, the war on drugs, the war on climate change, the war on this, the war on that. The rhetoric is always the same. They're actually literally ran Orwell's script by calling these projects. We're going to war against these things. We're going to go with war against MAGA Republicans. We're going to go to war against all of these things because we're that we're righteous.

And we have. And so they've turned all of these these things that they want to produce with, so you produce a war mindset in every, on every, on every level. So now we can just morph that into, it's easy to morph that into the war on Russians or the war on Chinese or, you know, and this was all done during the Cold War. Like, it's always been a war mentality promulgated by our quote unquote betters in order for them to set one group within the society against the other. Nothing new. So it's as old as the hill. This is called divide and rule. And, and, and, you know, and, but that's always been the target.

And then, you know, you just constantly, you know, throw people out there and constantly give them something to be, you know, upset about and worried about and throw bait out there. So it says, it's a great line from Mad Max Fury Road. He's like, he just looks over and he goes, he doesn't say much in that fucking movie, but he goes, that's bait that is. Yeah. It's always the red cloth. It's like, look over there. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's, so, so when none of us are saying, I, I think Alex and I are both saying the same thing, which is that we're not unhipped to the idea that the Chinese and the Russians are doing nefarious things within the, in the society. You can ascribe to them, you can ask yourself what the motivations are, you know, would they stop if we stop? Oh, that's a good question that no one wants to ever ask. Well, would they stop trying to influence our politics if we weren't trying to figure out ways to undermine them? If state craft is real, folks, it exists at every level. And I'm not saying, and again, I'm not saying, to be honest with you, you know, at some point, the question then becomes, you know, do you describe malice or do you describe it as, you know, is it offensive power?

or is it defensive power, or is it a little bit of both? Because, again, China's not a monolith. The Russians aren't a monolith. There are plenty of Russians who want to destroy the United States because they hate the United States. There are plenty of Russians who are actual, honest to God, doctrine or communist. There are plenty of Americans who are doctored in their communists.

Some of them work in the Biden administration. What are you going to do? Like, you know, this is the, when you break things down at the country level and you objectify things to simple words and phrases, all of a sudden and then you attach meaning to those words, you can now move people emotionally in big ways that are, that lose all of the nuance, that lose all of the, um, and to be honest with you, complexity is hard to communicate. Like this is, you know, it's, it just is. And that's fine, but, and you'll never do it and

you'll never, um, put forth complexity in a way that people can understand in a short form, gotcha, British style tabloid media complex, which is why they're so goddamn pissed that Elon Musk bought Twitter. Because Twitter was the ultimate sound bite generator. It is the ultimate sound by generator. Ultimate. It's like the ultimate sound by generator.

Now everybody gets to be the British media. Okay? And the British, when I say the British media, I mean this very specifically. They perfected this bullshit. 150 years ago. They've been running this fucking playbook. Yeah, the jingoism. That way.

Forever in the day and influencing everybody. Yeah. A whole across the West, everything is built on the old British tabloid model. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the, the reason why I, you know, I'd rather keep my, the real enemy in my crosshairs is again, you know, I'll go with James Madison, quote, you know, in the United States who said, if tyranny and oppression ever come to this land, they will come under the guise

of fighting a foreign enemy. Of course. So, I'm not saying that you should, you know, you should leave your teenage daughter alone with China over the weekend, something like that, you know, like that level of trust. But I do think that the real danger to us, to our freedoms, to our prosperity, comes from our own capital and our own capitals and our own banking institutions. For God's sakes, you know, like they're paying farmers not to farm. And at the same time, they're trying to get everybody really worried about China buying farmland.

Okay, yeah, that's not good. But is Bill Gates buying farmland good? Nobody's worried about that. Nobody's worried about that. That's awesome. That's not, that's not completely true. At the managerial level, absolutely nobody's worried about that, right? At the, at the, at the oligarch level, nobody's worried about that, right?

You know, China's motivations are almost in some ways, they're almost understandable to me. Of course they are. Because they're by farmland, they're going to grow soybeans, and they're going to ship them over to China to, to feed hogs for their food supplies. I get that. but why you would pay your farmers not to farm or to produce bird seed or to produce you know or to overproduce corn for ethanol so that you can raise it you can manipulate and control the price of gasoline which i which is another complete freaking rant that i've been going on for two years like why are we doing all this i'll tell you why because they actually want to make

our lives more miserable and then they wonder why once we're in that mode of everything being miserable, then they get upset about the, about the situation, about the counter situation, which is that then the Chinese come in and go, well, look, this farmland in America is cheap. And we need it. We have 1.5 billion people to feed. Is a problem of, of Western civilization as we run in, you know, terms, whereas China is like, and maybe I'm giving them too much credit. I don't know.

Like everything I've read or heard or talked about with China is how long they think into the future, right? They're not like this, you know, whereas the states, I mean, you know, Tom, how many days do we got now before the U.S. election? And here in Canada, it's the same damn thing, right? Like Trudeau is on his way out, I think. And, you know, and so everybody's just kind of counting, ticking the clock, you know, ripping the pages off the calendar type of thing.

Whereas you look at China and you go like, they're thinking long term. They're going, they're looking at the West and they're going, you guys think, you think the plan's coming in because of climate change? Okay. Well, we could either fight that. and try and stop that, or we just maybe ferment it a little bit more, fomented a bit more. And then we get all your coal because we're actually building coal plants, right? And what do they do? They go buy our coal. Like, I literally had a blacksmith on here. And he goes, we don't actually

have this type of coal. And, you know, I'm forgetting the type, but it's the top grade. And he's actually, wait a second, we do. China owns it and they ship it back themselves. So I'm like, wow. I mean, in the easiest sense, Canada would think it was dirty anyways, so we wouldn't use it. But I'm like, whose idea is that? Like, where did that idea come from? Well, and you go, if China's influencing politics, they're just fomenting what we already believe in

and just pushing it instead of trying to pull back against it. And then they come in and buy all the stuff we don't want. They grab farmland and they go, well, no, we need food. So we're going to use that. We're going to use all your infrastructure. We're going to send it back to us. We have the money. So here it is.

We're just going to keep paying you for it. And we'll go use it ourselves. Well, that's because we overprint, we overspend on, and deficit spend, send the money overseas buying crap that then the Chinese sell back to us. And then they've used that. And then they use the profits from that to buy the stuff from out front of underneath us that we say we don't even want. Yeah, no, that's, it's exactly correct. Like when you, when you, when you look at it and you say, okay, so what, there was something I wanted to say while you were talking. And I lost it because it would have now I've lost it.

Son of a bitch. Um, go back to what you were saying just before that, Sean. Well, just the United States and Canada thinking in terms, right? We got to get elected. Right. Okay. Short terms where you know, uh, sorry, China. Right.

Everything in here about them is 100 year plans. Right. Long term. Well, well, you know, the, the other side of that is, I still don't have it. Never mind. I had a really subtle point that I wanted to make. It would have been good. And I've lost it and it's gone and maybe I'll come back in 10 minutes.

Alex, you take them. the microphone i think sorry it can't all be good you know i think it's great you know it's like i've had tom on on his i've been i've been in the ring with tom since we we started it's been i've been i've been had tom goes um yeah i'm whatever i'm not you know kind of that's exactly how he rolled in this morning yeah whatever and now i've got somehow i've i've flicked a switch because i this might be the most animated. Tom's been on this show in a while, ever since I brought up a few different characters in the United States that he knew I was teasing him with. So, Alex, I don't know, your thoughts on long, like, is this why you give, I don't know, not give him a pass.

It's not what we're talking about. Some of it is, some of it is explained in a relatively straightforward way, you know, like we have a system of trade where, you know, China is a big exporting nations. So, you know, like when they sell goods to Canada, Canada doesn't ship out pallets of cash to China. They have credit, they have balances on their, they have bank balances with the, with the Canada Central Bank and they have to spend that money somehow, right? So they might buy Canada's government bonds, but they might look to buy other assets and they will buy things that they need, things that are strategically important to them. So that's obviously going to be energy resources and it's going to be food resources. So it's up to Canada and Canadians

to say, we need to have enough food and energy for ourselves. So these certain things cannot be sold to China or, you know, they can have certain quantities to export, but those quantities cannot jeopardize our own economy, our own, you know, needs for fuel, for food and so forth. So, you know, that's... But that comes back to statesmanship then. That comes, yeah, of course, yes. That comes back to statesmanship. But I think there is a darker motivation to Chinese actions.

When I say darker motivation, you know, China, Chinese national, how do you call it, consciousness is very much aware of the century of humiliation that they have undergone at the hands of Western colonizers, which was the British Empire, but then the United States took over from them and continued with the same policies. And the Chinese, I think, again, we're talking about connecting dots. This isn't like written in some memo that I got on my desk. This is just connecting the dots. The Chinese and the Russians are vitally interested in understanding the system of governance that has done that to China and to all other colonies around the world, whether it's a tiny place like Haiti or it's a very place.

major, you know, powers like India and China. Right. And, you know, the West, this Western system has destroyed six major native civilizations around the world. It's extremely pathogenic. It's extremely destructive. We see it today in action in Ukraine, in Israel, Yemen, Sudan, you name it. It's still there.

It's still alive. It needs to be ended. for humanity's sake. And I when I look at the action of the actions of the Chinese leadership and I could say the same thing

about the Russian leadership, it seems very clear to me that they have done a lot of research, a lot of studying, they put a lot of time to understand exactly what they're up against. They're not up against the American

people. They're not up against the British people. They're not up against Christians. They're up against a certain system of governance. And what forms that system of governance? I think it's in the, you know, like in the monetary system, in the in the way credit is created and allocated and in the way that that creates certain incentives, which then resulted in large-scale depopulations around the world, destruction of destruction of other civilization and so forth. So that has been intact for centuries now. And at home, we get a very sanitized versions about ourselves.

And then when we learn about something really bad that happened, then you'll get people like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry rush out and say, like, oh, they're not who we are. You know, this is bad apples. La, la, la. No, this is exactly who we are. Because we have centuries worth of track record of what this system of governance has been doing everywhere around the world.

And people who participate in that are people who buy into, you know, we have to fight terror, we have to fight for democracy and freedom, we have to spread Christianity, we have to civilize the savages, whatever the, you know, the justification du jour happens to be. But the conduct, the results are always the same. And this is an aberration historically. You know, this is not something that has existed throughout humanity's existence on this planet. This is, depending on how you cut it, this is something that existed for last few centuries.

Or, you know, if you want to include Greek antiquity and the Roman Empire, then you can say like it's existed for about 2,000 years. But it's been an aberration and it's based on fraud. it exists thanks to lies that are systematically being infused into the system. And I think that certain powers around the world, particularly China, which has been majorly, majorly victimized by this system of governments, governance have taken it upon themselves to squash this parasite and to extract it out of humanity's business altogether.

And I think that this is what they're doing. I think this is why they're in universities. This is why they're in Hollywood. This is why they're in the politics. This is why they're corrupting the people who are inside of this machinery. And I think that I would be, let's say that with regards to China, I would say ordinary caution is in order. With regards to our real enemies that are at home, that are on Wall Street, that are in the

the city of London and other European capitals and Tokyo and so forth. There I would say I would be extremely cautious, starting with not believing any single shred of information that comes from them. They're, you know, like they lie like I say good morning to people. Alex, just to pop in and I remembered what I wanted to say, Sean. Alex was talking to this. Thankfully, Alex brought it up, which is the couple of things here. One, I agree with you.

Um, the, the, when you listen to Putin speak, it's very clear, it's very obvious he understands the historical context and what he has to do to fight that system. Part of the reason why we're so angry with China today, the, I'm talking about that oligar class, that classical, these people are locusts. They're not entrepreneurs, right? And they were all prepared to strip mine the West and then move, understanding that they had, they had, they had. extracted all the workable capital out of the west, arrogated it to themselves, created a managerial class that runs the system and incentivizes that system to be quote unquote eternal. Then they were going to plan,

and then they planned on taking all that capital and dumping it into China and doing the same thing to China. And China says no. That's why Mitt Romney and the currency manipulator thing when he ran for president. It's why they, constantly complain about the bitch wine weep and moan every fucking day about how china has a closed capital account and why when you look at the failures and the and the that are happening

within the chinese property market what is it any wonder why every 10 years or eight years or whatever the chinese seem to go through another property crisis that's going to bring the the communist party down and blah blah i've heard this story like so many fucking times now i'm so tired of it when the truth of the matter is is and i'm not saying that china doesn't have problems of course they are the federal reserve raised interest rates to five and a half percent and there's and everybody's hurting everybody's dealing with the the the retardation of the flow of credit around the world as based in dollars without a doubt there's no argument here and you can and we can sit here and we can have an entire two-hour podcast about who's going to get hurt hurt worse who's getting hurt worse by this

America, Europe, China, Russia, this one, that one doesn't freaking matter. What matters is that in China, the first ones to lose all of their capital invested are going to be the Western oligarchs or already has been the Western oligarchs. And that's another reason why you're hearing all of this nonsense. Not nonsense, but why you're hearing all of this trumped up, oh my God, China, oh my God, China, oh my God, China. And now when I start to think about what I'm seeing out of Trump in the last few days, there's been a real fundamental change in the way Trump is approaching this election at the

metatextual level. I know, metatextal level. At a, at a, he's speaking to a different audience. He's not doing the standard populism thing when he's making a lot of these statements about what he's going to do to, you know, not go to war. deal with the tariffs, deal with this, deal with that. Like, Trump is not the same guy running for president today that he was even six months ago or even or when he governed. Okay.

His understanding of what the actual game is is fundamentally different. And he's speaking to those people saying, we are going to, we, I know who the enemy is now. And that enemy is, it's what Alex just described. And I can cut a deal with China. China wants a deal. Russians want a deal. Iran wants a deal. I'm going to blow V8 and pop my chest out and do the big, you know, peace through strength thing and, you know, and threaten them fire and brimstone.

But everybody knows that that's the way Trump negotiates. Yeah. That's that whole Zopa thing. I can never remember what Zopa stands for, but that's the strategy. Go read this freaking book, right? It's like, you know, it's the Zoh my God. I want everything and you'll get nothing. and then he negotiates when he really just wants 25%,

but he starts up here and then he negotiates for this and he still got 25% more than what he wanted. I mean, or he deserved. And this is the way he operates. And so everybody and anybody who reacts to the way Trump talks is an idiot at this point. Because he's been doing this shit in public for 40 years, folks. He wrote like multiple, I say this all the time, right?

Like about the weft and about the bad guys. They write these unreadable white papers. that no one reads. They hold conferences that nobody watches while they set policy for the freaking world. They tell you what they're going to fucking do. Then they go do it. And everybody's like, well, it's a conspiracy theory.

No, it's not. They just told you what they were to do. Trump's this same way. He's just as freaking transparent. I negotiate like this. And then I settle for this. And, you know, and we're not. And they don't like that style of leadership because that's not their style of leadership.

Their style of leadership is do that and then bring the military. and bomb people and kill their children and everything else because that's who they are. Trump is not that person. And so you can see the situation. But the big thing here, and the key to understanding this was when Evergrand went bust out. Go back to Evergrand. Okay. Xi was quite explicit about what happened at Evergrand.

Foreign creditors would be last in line to get repaid, period. And that is still running. Evergrand. Can you just explain to me, Tom? Biggest property developer at the time in China went busto. You can ask yourself how it went busto. I don't care. It doesn't really matter. It went bust because it made a whole bunch of really bad investments. A lot of American, a lot of British, a lot of Hong Kong money, which is British money.

Like was involved there. And when Evergrand went bust, DeGy was he was. like, well, you know, the Chinese investors will get paid out first. We'll nationalize the company or we'll do whatever we'll liquidate the company. And American and foreign investors are not guaranteed to get their, to get their money back out. And that is not the way it operates here. The way, that's part of what this whole locust system and, you know, the system that Alex was describing and I've now just like, we just call them locusts.

That's what they do. They create a situation favorable to themselves. buy a bunch of shit that they didn't earn, buildings, capital, businesses, whatever, real estate and bid the price up and then issue bonds against it, issue all the debt against it, and then turn right around. And when the whole thing goes collapsed, they turn to the state and go, you need to bail us out. And they get paid first because quote unquote, bondholders always get paid first. And the shareholders get, and shareholders, like, and they're digging on a bank, are last in line.

Remember, if you're a depositor at a bank, if you're your deposits at a bank, you're considered an unsecured creditor of the bank. Your money that's in savings is supposed to be at work on the bank's behalf. Western banking rules are very clear on this, especially British and American banking rules, are very clear on this. You aren't unsecured creditor. So any money you have in a savings account, not a check, not necessarily a checking account. Checking account with interest, yes. Same as savings, right? Because it's now, you're an unsecured creditor of the bank, meaning you got 20,000.

sitting in a savings account in the bank, maybe right now, maybe making 1.25% or whatever. Got news for you. The bank goes bustow. You're the last person to get paid, made whole. The bondholders are getting made, get made whole first of all the investments the bank is made. That's the, there's an order of operations here. And you're last in line. Well, guess what? These people are used to being first in line to get paid when something goes bad. And they use it as a weapon to get what they want. And, and then everybody else gets fucked. Well, in China, the way it works now, and Xi won't change this, is that those guys are last in line. But we do the same thing to, we do the same thing to foreign investors.

Like, it's nothing new. One of the things, you know, when you guys get going about Russia or China that I think, you know, is maybe hard to put myself in their shoes, for lack of a better way to say it, is you look at what Russia went through in the 1900s. That was foreigners coming in and creating what happened there with their revolutions. Correct? Am I wrong on that? Right? That's that. And then you get the 70 years roughly, maybe a little less, maybe a little more of absolute insanity in Russia. And in China, you have the opium wars and you have a couple other things go on. And certainly China is involved in what happened. But like, where do the opium wars come from? British Empire. Why were they there? What do they do?

So these two countries and their people, and not that long ago, would have stories of what not to do. Whereas, you know, you look at Canada. And, you know, I just had Matt Erud on here again. And we get talking about some of our history. And I'm like, I don't even remember. You know, like, we're such a young country. It's hard to realize some of the things have happened, but it was done by the British. And we're very loyal to the British.

We have the, you know, the, you know, the queen passed away. and there was like a day of morning, which is really interesting to me, you know, to watch. And our history is just different. So when you talk about Russia and China specifically, they've literally been screwed over and messed with in the last,

you know, 200 years, let alone, you know, go further back. And so they would know that. Their populations would understand that. And this is just a different game they're playing than,

you know, some naive Canadian, I guess. Well, no, they know it in their bones. This is generating. This is generational now for them, right?

This is, this is genetic memory for these populations. I'm a big fan of, of nature and nurture, right? I'm a big fan of epigenetics and what I believe these things are real. I think you get certain people, they are going to be genetically predisposed to despise and distrust Westerners. And they just are. And they, and with good reason, because that's a survival technique. I mean, if we didn't learn from our experiences and then encode it, in our DNA, like for the next generation, then what are we doing here?

Then what are we doing here, right? And that's why, and that's why you both, and, you know, Alex, you bring back, focus on who the enemy is right now, right? Because they're going to try and they're going to try and do slight a hand. And through COVID, they expose themselves. Like, immensely, you know, it's, and I'm glad you brought up the opium, opium wars, because this is not something that they're going to bring out. This is happening.

If you look at the state of U.S. cities, and you see thousands of people lying in the streets of, you know, Oakland and Los Angeles and Philadelphia and Chicago and, well, you name it. It's all over the place. Any city at this point, Alex. Any city practically. And you see hundreds of people drugged out of their heads. And then you take those visuals, those videos that you can see on social media today. and you read the description of Chinese cities during the opium wars, it's basically the same thing, you know. And the rationale, the rationale is something that you could get straight from, you well, know, is the ideologue of the same interests structures, who says like, well, you know, we will keep the populations distracted and pacified with drugs and video games.

Drugs. That's, you know, the, that's the opium wars. Well, today it's whatever it is, crack or fentanyl or whatever. Hundred and so many years ago, it was opium. Under Rome, it was bread and circuses. It was bloodshed in the forum. And, you know, the, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the same. system of governance that we are up against. And that system of governance is, you know,

is that parasite is attached to the Western structures of powers. Not Chinese, not Russia, not India, not Iranian, not Venezuelan, none of that. It's New York, London, Washington, D.C., and then satellites, you know, Stockholm, Oslo, Warsaw, Warsaw, Berlin, Paris, Rome, Tokyo, and places like this, which are all tentacles of the empire. But this is where it's coming from. And we can see even by the trends that are intact in the West that this is coming for us. You know, as we talked about before, they're paying farmers not to farm. They're trying to destroy farmers in Germany in the,

the Netherlands, Belgium, France and so on in England, in Ireland. They are trying to destroy family structure with this LGBT ideology. They are trying to get us to submit to regular vaccinations and boost-booster schedules. They're trying to squelch freedom of speech, freedom of gathering, freedom of protest. They're trying to pen us into 15-minute cities. They're trying to ban air travel. They're trying to remove a red meat from our diet. And so on, and so on, and so on.

And this is all not coming from China. This is all coming from here, from the West. No, I know. It's funny. I just saw something this morning, literally, before we started recording this morning, about the city and the Netherlands that are going to force people to share their cars. Yeah, good luck with that, but, you know, exactly.

No, seriously. Like, no, they're mandating that only one out of every three houses is going to have a car and blah, blah, and they're just going to do it. I keep saying over and over and over again, I keep using the image of the Gant chart over at Evil Corp Central or over at the Davos Kraz. It's funny, when I hear Eric Weinstein now using the phrase, the Davos crowd, I have to just fucking laugh, right? But again, I don't care. It just like it's funny. Like, no, I've moved on from there to Evil Corp Central because it's not the only

just Davos. It's like, it's everybody. And it's that they have their plan. They have their schedule. Like Mario Draghi came out this morning and said, we have to spend unbelievable amounts of money to do X, Y, and Z to rebuild Europe, basically. I'm like, oh, and at the same time, that happens like 24 hours after Olaf Schultz comes out, the German chancellor comes out and says, it's time to,

really sit down and have peace talks and bring rushes to the table. Now, one could argue that that's a reaction to the election results to Saxony and Thuringia a couple, you know, last weekend, but they knew what that outcome was going to be. They got basically the outcome that the polls were telling them they were going to get. So is this all just part of the Gant chart? Let's bankrupt Europe to bring them to the point of desperation and then say, nope, now we need to spend every dollar, every euro possible in order to rebuild the entire, but we need to stop the now and now we need to just rebuild and you know it's this classic for you know as always classic bait

and switch by a bunch of people or is this are they free are are they just you know trying to do free jazz in real time from people who are you know or sight reading musicians who don't know how knowing anything about theory and not anything about music I mean this is I guess you know my I look at these people and say are they are they good jazz improvisational players or are they you know no offense to classical musicians or are you just guys who just recharge right And there's a fundamental difference in those two types of musicians. And you know, interpret the, and I know many, a musician who can play some of the most beautiful shit in the world by reading the chart, but they don't know how to do anything else. They literally are just, they're like fucking managers of the music.

And it's fine. And it's a perfectly valid way to be a musician. And then there's the improvisational jazz players who just like, you know, we're, we're. We're in B flat and we're doing this and these are the changes and go, right? And look to the drummer for when the changes, when we're going to move to the next thing. And we'll just play and just play, right? We'll just listen to each other.

Are these people improvisational artists? I don't think so. The way they operate, they operate. Well, I just say they're just way too German personally. And talk to me about the great German jazz players of all time. It's a very short list. No lie. So like this is the this is the thing it looks to me like you know I don't know where I can

construct either narrative right that this is all just like oh this is just druggie coming out on September 9th he was told he has to come out and say this thing or is it oh shit I don't know what else to do so let's just want the playbook now as opposed to you know three months for now or a year from now or whatever because clearly they had a plan for Ukraine as you and out Alex, like you and I talked about on the podcast that we did together in service of the article you did about the guilt market and all that stuff. Like, clearly they thought by now that Ukraine would be done and dusted and the Russians would be on their back foot and collapse. And now they're, and it's clearly not happened. And now what?

And now they're trying to make a best of a bad situation. Are they trying to extricate themselves from, or are they trying to play jazz and they have no idea? Or even what key they're in? I don't know. I think they're trying to play jazz and they have no idea. I think that sounds about right. Look, you know how we know about how much money and military material each country has given to Ukraine and their major sums. But we don't really know what the damage is.

Except that now, you know, like we know, okay, Joseph Borrell, in last June, I think June 23, he came out and he said that the cost of sanctions against Russia, he was talking about the EU, the cost of sanctions against Russia is 10 times what we give Ukraine in direct support. And the figure that he was talking about, June 2023, was 700 billion. billion euros. Right. So this is what we're looking at. And this is why we see that German industrial production has collapsed by 10% in just the two years.

But it's been collapsing since 2017. And it's been on a downtrend. And, you know, like Germany is an industrial exporting nations. But, you know, they destroyed their economic. base, the cheap natural gas from Russia. They've flooded their country with uncontrolled immigration. They are sinking tens of billions of dollars into these hairbrained Kokomimi Net Zero schemes that obviously don't work. It's just one thing after another and all of them are not producing good results. So you got to ask yourself, are people stupid to pursue these policies? Or did they

knowingly destroy Germany? And it's very obvious that they have knowingly destroyed Germany because already two years ago, it was, that was like the CEO of BASF, the largest chemical company in the world. Who said, if we lose access to, if we lose access to cheap Russian gas, it's going to lead to the worst economic calamities since World War II. Yep. Did anybody listen? I think that they, I think, well, you couldn't not hear that.

You know, he's a big name. I forget his name off the top of my head now. But, you know, this was in 2000, I think in December, 2002 that he gave the interview to build or their Spiegel or somebody like this. And he said this. And what did the German government do? Well, they continued going down the same route. And this was just after the, no, sorry, this was just before this was even before the North Stream two pipelines were destroyed. Right. And now, as it turns out, out of the four tubes going between Russia, and Germany to deliver natural gas, one of them is intact.

So Germany could have at least one-fourth of that volume of cheap Russian gas delivered to Germany, except they don't want it. So they instead, they opted for much more expensive Russian gas delivered by LNG ships or even more expensive American gas delivered by LNG ships. So it's knowing premedical, initiated deliberate suicide of Germany on whose behalf? Who's running the show? It's not democratic.

No German would choose these policies if they were correctly informed about their consequences and what they were for. Instead, they are continuing to run the country off a cliff, and they've obviously been extraordinarily successful at that. Again, it's not Russia doing it. It's not China doing it. It's the enemy at home doing it. Yeah, no.

It's personnel as policy. These people are, that's who they are. And they've told you what they're going to do. And they did it. And they did it. And then we're supposed to be surprised that they did it and that these things are happening. Like, you know, guys, while Alex was talking, I just, you know, had to check back into the capital markets this morning. And I keep telling everybody over and over and over again.

If you want to understand how desperate they are and holding things together. By the way, when I put up my argument, are they, are they, you know, are they bad jazz players or are they good jazz players? No, they're bad jazz players because I'm literally looking at the, the 10-year market for the UK, Germany and the United States. And somehow, as things were starting to break out at 4.30 this morning, Eastern standard times, it would be an hour and a half after Europe open. amazing how bond yields across the border were all breaking out the 10 year and the UK tenure was breaking a higher the German tenure was breaking higher the American tenure was breaking slightly higher not very high and then they've all been crushed in the last seven hours starting during the European market this didn't happen at 830 when New York opened and it didn't happen at six

o'clock or seven o'clock when you know when when when the Soma account I don't even sure when the Fed or the Treasury. Somebody started buying across the board. There was no economic data. I looked at the schedule for this morning. There was nothing out there that would, no, this is just everybody said, no, we need to move everything back. So somebody spent a lot of money this morning, literally as we're talking,

bond yields are cratering again. Okay. And someone coordinated across all the whole frigging capital market. We started this conversation by saying everything that I'm kind of checking out between now and the election because everything is going to be incredibly fake and gay. Guess what? Our capital markets have literally become fake and gay. You know, when I was, I meant to ask Alex at the beginning of the conversation when you started talking about this. I'm like, oh, wow.

So you don't, I guess you don't work for tenant media. Like, you know what I mean? Like I, you know, like, you know, this is. So look at all. of these things that are happening. And I can tell you folks that, you know, when I watch these things occur and I was chatting, I was telling my patrons yesterday when I was doing the market report, my twice weekly market report, I said, look, I said, you know, I've been accused by people over the years of being jealous or envious of other people's success because they've

grown faster than I have. I'm like, no, not. Not at all. I just know that they're not real. I just know that Dave Rubin, for example, wasn't real. I just know, for example, that Jack Krasobok wasn't real. Or he was chosen, you know, we can all discuss about the big news in capital markets today is, is Intel going to get sold for parts? Intel was a chosen company and run into the ground by the intelligence community, by the DOD, and everything else to hold on to technology that was, and continue to build technology and siphon off valuable assets within the company.

to do the bidding of the American government, the American military industrial complex, as opposed to building chips that were competitive in the open market. And eventually they lost their situation. They were chosen, the same way Microsoft was chosen, the same way these other people were chosen. Now, the question I have for everybody this morning, and I'm just going to bring this up,

this is to tell you how deep I think the rabbit hole needs to go. Is the following. I'm going to put a tie a bow around this whole fucking China, Russia destabilizing our elections thing. Ready? Why do you believe that the whatever they spent, $100 million, $10 million that tenant media spent? Why do you believe that that was Russian money? Because the guy who was the point man that was stolen out the money was Russian?

Like there aren't Russians who hate Putin. There aren't Russians who are not fifth columnists. Like this is a, look at the timing on this. Why would this happen? Why would you not take, why would you not build a long-term plan to puff up certain people, Tim pool, this one, that one, get them on board, paying them. Vast sums of money, vast sums of money for nothing, for bad content, right? And get no juice out of it.

And why were these people so frigging dumb as to believe that their content was so valuable that this money that they refused to even look into is where it came from, that that was proportionate to what they were getting, what the content they were creating. No, no, no. This was clearly a Western intelligence operation to be exploded at the exact proper moment during the election cycle to then paint all of right-wing media with the Russian stooge brush. This has nothing to do. The Russians didn't. This is not art. And then they, and then the Biden administration turns around and sanctions RT and this one and that one. I'm like, dudes, like, you know, I got nothing. I'll tell you, flat out, I got nothing to hide.

when I work for a Russian think tank strategic culture foundation, they made me 150 bucks an article. They were happy to do it. And the minute it was a, you know, in the minute it was no longer, they were a client that was worth my time. I stopped working for them. That's simple. Like, it's it. I purposely wrote shit when I was working for them. I purposely wrote shit that I was expecting the Russian government to go, no, they can't, don't post that one.

And then I posted it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it was this weird. But like, no one ever off. I never got an offer from somebody for $400,000 to produce, you know, a $10,000 a month to produce, you know, five minute, you know, stupid videos about making fun of lefties. Like, and yet, here we are. So when there's that kind of money floating around, you know, and who has that kind of money?

I'm saying the Russians don't have that money or the Chinese don't have the money, but come on. Like, let's not kid ourselves. Who's, who benefits from this? Okay. When you ask yourself who benefits from exposing tenant media 60 days before the election, that's probably where you should start, not end your analysis. So there was a on the whole on the whole oh China's trying to take over the world, trying to take over the United States and Canada thing.

Yeah, there was a there was a moment in time. I forget when exactly and I forget what the what the circumstances were exactly. but there was a leak of some kind of information about, you know, the DNC or the Biden administration going around with money given to, I think it was maybe COVID-related, not sure, to be given to these, let's call it, credible alternative news sources, you know, people who have gathered significant and I'm sorry, Sean, if you didn't get any of that money. It doesn't see that you did. But I clearly remember that at the time I was following, what's their faces?

I forget the burning, no. You know Crystal and Saga? I forget what their show was called. But you could practically see the screech marks of how their editorial policy changed around at the same time. And they became worse even than the outlet that they left. Great. Breaking points. Yeah. Oh, breaking points. And previously they were with the hill. The hill, they had a program on

the hill, right? Yep. The hills are rising. The hills rising. Yeah. So they were with the rising. And then they felt. cramped with the rising and then they broke free. And then they were like, oh, we're going to stick it to the traditional media, give us money, help us, support us, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden they have all this money. But their editorial policy became way, way to the left of the rising.

I mean, way to the, you know, Democrat establishment side of the rising. So that's really, you know, like what Tom. was talking about is very, very real. They do this. They do this as it's routine business. Yeah. No, it's absolutely. Never, never, never, never think for a second that like any of these NGOs, like what else do they have to do with this money and this time? These people sit around. I mean, part of what the reason why Alex and I and Sean, why we're so good at what we do, is because we have built businesses just strong enough to support our personal lifestyles. Right. Like and it's enough that we can be comfortable and we can spend all of our day doing what we do. Right. So people asking you all the time, how do you do? How do you do? How do you do? It's all I do for a living. It's not like I have a day job, folks, that's taking up nine

hours of my day and then plus an hour travel time and this, that and everything else. And I come home and I have two hours a day to like interface with the world before I go to bed and in the process, ignore my daughter, ignore my dogs because my wife, ignoring my entire life so that I can then be this guy and then sleep three hours a night and then go to work the next day. No, this is what I do for a living, right? Well, guess what? Multiply me by USAID. Then the money that they get. What else are they going to do all fucking day, except sit around and figure out ways to, you know, create overlapping siops and push and nudge the world in a particular direction. The zeitgeist in the overton window where they want to go. That's the way this works. They can see the political schedule.

They can they understand what's going on. They know and they just like their plans it. And so there are there are really there are people like and this is where they get into the trouble of when it doesn't work, when they spend the money and it doesn't work, right? That's when they get that's when they have to then start improvising. And when they come up against an opponent who understands what they do and just says, you know what? No, we're not going to, we're not going along with this. You got a guy like Putin who refuses, for example, to, you know, take the, take the bait and, you know, and over-escalate after a punch in the mouth. And I've said this many times, and I'll say it again, remind everybody that most, if not all, out the people who are doing these things in the West are analyzing,

the range of responses based on the amount of political pressure that our people can handle, right, versus what the level of political pressure that someone like Putin or Xi can handle. The fundamental difference between Russia and China is that their systems of governance, on this vector, not on other vectors, on this vector, and ignore all the other bullshit about whether, Russia, ignore everything else about what's wrong with the Russian economy or this Chinese economy. And there's plenty to talk about there. But on this particular vector, this is an asset of their type of government. And they can use and that that asset, that's an asset to them. So they can take the punch in the mouth, take politically and be immune to it. Whereas someone

here in the United States could not take that punch in the mouth. And so when you have people like Newland or Samantha Power or whomever, creating this, creating these projects, they're analyzing the range of expected effects based on what we can handle, not what they can handle. And that divide is what defines why we're in the situation we're in today. And into that vacuum comes independent, real, honest to God, alternative media who can see that process and call it out for what it is. And they go, that's not going to work. You know, it's, it's, you know, and that's all, and I'll be honest with you, that's all

we've done. Folks, and I'm, we're not the only, Alex and I aren't the only ones doing it. There's a whole group of people doing it. Sean, you have them on the podcast on a regular basis, right? That's what, that's what Joe Rogan's been doing. It's what all of this has been, that's what they're afraid of. They don't have that control. It's why they needed the response engine and the sound bite generation engine.

of Twitter in order to continually reinforce the Overton window that they were trying to create because they could feel it's slipping away in so many other areas because the gulf between expected outcome and actual outcome and actual outcome has gotten wider and wider and wider and wider and the more money they spend all they're doing is holding it from getting worse and worse and worse and worse and eventually it gets to a point where the where the bond breaks and this is now I can just like do a chemistry thing once the distance gets too far and the two particles aren't in interacting with each other anymore, the bond is broken. And the illusion has been dispelled or whatever metaphor you want to use and boom.

And then it never comes back. And if we as commentators explain the mechanisms of this and communicate it clearly to people, we now have taught them how to fish. We've taught them how to read the news at a level that they were never capable of previously. And I think when I listen to Sean talk about our long, the relationship, that the three of us have had since the first time we were on the podcast together. And I've watched Sean. I think I've mentioned this to you, Sean.

Watch how your understanding is a perfect example. It's a go watch each of the episodes that we've done. And you'll see it much different Sean Newman today than the Sean Newman that first interviewed Alex and I, you know, two years ago. And why is that? Well, I literally had to pause you in the first episode, I think. You know, I should go back and listen to it myself. I'm like, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

like think about that that that's probably a lot of my audience as well right it reminds me the first time i listen to jordan peterson i'm like the hell is this guy talking about and then you start to ingrain yourself in the vocabulary and what they're taught the ideas you start to mess around with the ideas you start to read things and all of a sudden you're like oh my god i can see it playing out in front of my eyes this is weird and so i appreciate that i'm not a complete nutter moron although there will be some people who text me and still think of a moron that's that's fair i'm working on it. That's why I bring you on. And the last thing, I'll happily let Alex comment on it.

What I just want to say is that I didn't come out the womb looking like this, folks. This is a lifelong process for me. Like, I get better at this every day. Right. And, you know, and that's what we're all doing. We're all trying to get better at seeing the nonsense and not, oh, that's bait. That is. And that's literally the way I've been like looking at the world for the last year.

And it's just fun. the that's been the mode that I've been in. Oh, that's babe. And I'm getting better at it. I used to react a lot more. I used to react a lot more than I do now. Well, I wanted to throw in something that I find very, very encouraging in this sense, you know. And I have noticed that one thing that falls away when people take money is they lose their authenticity. And I've observed this on many, many, in many, many cases where somebody I follow, suddenly something changes and you can't quite put your finger on it, but you're like, this doesn't work. This doesn't quite work. I don't know what the deal is. And then if you continue following them, then it becomes quite obvious that they've taken

the money. But the connection is broken almost instantly. And I saw that in many, many, cases. I don't even know how to explain it because, but it seems to me that the public out there is very, very good at sniffing out the frauds, at sniffing out a conflict of interest. And I think that it's the perception of the loss of authenticity that happens at some point very, very quickly, almost as soon as they've taken the money. And I, you know, like I, I, you know, like I, I don't want to mention names exactly, but, you know, there was one of the very prominent people out there who might follow and whose opinions I've very, very much appreciated, who obviously took the money at some point. And they fell away. They just fell away. I can't explain why. But

But one of the things they started to say in there, which they didn't say before, is they started to say things like, defend the West. What? And it kind of comes out of the context. You're like, you're talking about something where you resemble yourself. Like, ah, yes, this is what this person would be saying. And it sounds about right. And then they throw in something that you go like, I beg your pardon.

What did you just say? And why did you say this? And you can't quite let it go. Because it seems to me that us sharing this information is so important that somewhere in the back of your mind, there's always this calculus going on, do I find this credible? Do I believe this person? And the second, the second you violate the trust

with your audience, with the people who are giving you the time of their life to hear what you have to say. The second you violate the trust, you're gone. And I think that people are this quick to sniff it out. I think that's really, really good because the people you see survive long term, you know, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Jimmy Dorr, Sean Newman. Can't believe I'm even in that sentence, but thank you. No, no, but I mean it, you know, like, I'm not.

talking necessarily about the size of the audience or the celebrity status. I'm talking about the authenticity of what you're trying to deliver. Nima al-Khorshid, the Iranian guy from Brazil, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of us. They keep gaining ground, whereas these these these people like tagar and and crystal ball did the same thing took the money and fell off the cliff what's interesting Alex is one of the things that's really interesting and and and I want just two things I want to say to this with the first thing is understand that we We don't always say everything that comes out of our heads or that's in our heads. And the reason for that is, is that there is a certain level of protection that we have to,

self protection that would in to understand the world that we live in. We live in a world where if you say certain things, you no longer have a thing. And so you have to, and that internal calculus is, okay, do I, you know, and so you're never going to be, we're all social creatures at a certain level and understanding the social, the zeitgeist and understanding of where you're allowed to operate. We're all still in a box, guys, whether we like, whether we want to believe it or not. We are. I mean, that's just reality.

That being said, that's different than someone bought you, right? And so you talk around things. You talk about certain issues in certain ways in order to be in order and put it in context so that you can continue to do what you're going to do. And then let your more sophisticated listeners understand what you're saying. Okay. Now, the other side of this is that I can tell you from the, that there's a lot of time bombs that are laying out there in terms of personalities. These people always took the money and they've always been lying to you. And they were activated at a particular moment in time to do a particular thing at a particular meaning they're free, they're free, they're free, they're free to do whatever they're going to do. But they took the money. And then, but at this moment in time, I need to do a particular thing. you to do this. They're pieces on a chessboard. They are absolutely. They are pawns and they are

and they and they get pushed. And then the tap comes on the shoulder and now we're going to do this. Okay. And you saw a lot of that after October 7th. You know, this this is why and you're continuing to see it. And that's another, the last thing I wanted to say, Ron, is this. And once you see it, you can't see it, but we live in a world where. so little trust is there that even those of us who are trusted when we run up against that a little bit of wall that we're willing to put up for ourselves just so that we can maintain our fucking platforms everybody's so on edge and with good reason they are on edge and they're distrustful we have to constantly work to maintain that authenticity i go back to one of the first blogs i ever

wrote on my blogs called the authenticity gap explaining why trump would win because he was off because the people who were going to push Trump over the top distrusted Hillary Clinton because she had no authenticity. And the people that she was counting on to win the election were the entire generation of millennial men, the Bernie bros, were like, no, I want authenticity. I'm so, I'm so starved for reality. I will grow a real beard and I will manscape and I will get a PhD in cocktails

and I will do this and all this shit. And you look and farm to table food. The whole liners read that article again, folks. It's all right fucking there. That has been, that's the soundtrack for the last seven years. I hate admitting things. I hate even saying this out loud, but I'm going to say it out loud so you both can have a laugh at me, okay?

Sure. 2016, when that election was happening, I was sitting in my brother's kitchen with all my brothers. And I think a couple of friends. And because I'm married to an American, they were asking my thoughts on whether Donald Trump was going to win it. I'm like, I don't think so. I think this is, this will show you how much I paid attention to any type of politics. Like, I don't know, listen to Hillary Clinton. I think she'll

win, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I was Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election and admitting that is like, oh boy, you know, because you come full circle. I was, when, when Trump got removed from Twitter, me and Dustin argued about that, and I'm thinking, I don't think you, I think you got to pull them off. Now I look at that, Sean, and I just want to go back and just swat them across the face, right? Because like, you know, you think of where you stand right now. And at times I'm like, I wish I could go back and talk to my younger self. But I don't know if I would have throttled my younger self or not because I just would have been like, what are you fucking talking about? Pardon the French this morning.

But like, you know, like that's how far things have come for just my side. I just sit here and you talk about being authentic. It's like, I don't even want to admit that. But the thing of the matter is, is I think we all are sitting here listening. And there's a point in your time when you start to realize. certain things are happening and then you stare at that and you have to start to wrestle with it. And you get to this point where, you know, you go like, yeah, certain people are being pushed and pulled. And I come to this idea that people on my audience have talked lots about, like a daily wire of the north.

You should really look into that. And my problem with it is is then you start to pull and push on different people to do things that you believe. And I'm like, I don't know if I want any part of that. I want I want to be able to do what I want and anytime I push on somebody else now I'm influencing them on what I believe I'd rather just have them do what they're doing and then we come together with a clash of ideas and we walk away and then we continue to evolve this this thing that's the only way this thing's worked on my end and I go like man if you go back in my history you know I'm a complete nutter moron I'm a complete nutter moron I'm

I'm still a complete nutter moron. I just to have a few extra podcasts under the belt. And I'm always appreciative when you two fine folks come on here and wrestle with some of my ideas. And I'm glad I'm starting to pick up some of what you're laying on. But there's still stuff you talk about where I'm like, I'm going to have to go back and do some reading again. I'm sure the audience is the same way. What I'll say to this is, you know, we're all doing that. I look back on what I was, you know, it's funny.

I remember being a guy that I had at one point, this would be like 15 years ago during the 16 years ago, during the financial crisis. I was on the phone with Dexter. Again, I'm a nobody. I'm working in a laboratory, blah, blah, blah. And I start rant and he just like sends me a meme, right? And I'll never forget this meme. It's a meme of like all of the major, all of the major, all the major, all the CEOs of all the major New York banks, Wall Street banks, all of them. like nine or ten of them and identifying their nationality right and like well and none of them

were jews f yi but that guy in 2008 i was in that headspace i was in the headspace of where a lot of people are today that's not me today but i'll never forget that moment because it was like oh i have so much to learn. But you just start, you know? Right. If you just start. Right. And, you know, I'll go back to one other thing here before I let you boys out.

Feels like a nice point to, uh, to let you boys get on with your day. Is the one people, the people that I'm always wary of when it comes to anything in the media is when they won't talk about a certain thing. I'm not saying I'll talk about like I'll try my best to talk everything. There are certain things that are very, very uncomfortable. And that takes time to grow into being able. Maybe more information comes. But, you know, there's certain things that have happened through the last couple of years.

COVID. And if you're not willing to talk about COVID, I'm like, man, you got a big old hole there. Why aren't you willing to talk about that? That seems really, really strange to me. And I think that when you're talking about authenticity, Alex, is another thing that that sticks out. Like there's just certain things like, yeah, maybe you don't know anything about it, but we can, we all live that. We all saw that for what it was. And if you're not willing to talk about certain things like that or deflect, that's tough.

I think that's tough. What I was going to say is that there's a point where, you know, we're in position as people who are commenting on this, that we have to be leaders. People are working at us to lead in a certain way. So they have to trust their leaders are, you know, an effect. And I'm not saying, you know, that we have we reserved the right to not be leaders, right? But at the same time, we also have to realize that there's that leadership takes many forms and sometimes not saying something is leadership. Just it's just the truth. And I, and there are, it is the way it is.

And so part of the, I'll be honest with you, like part of what I, we do now and we, we've talked a lot of. lot about this branding wise. Like anything branded gold goats and guns is an intersection of geopolitics and finance and what that means. I don't talk about movies on the podcast anymore, but I'll be happy to go talk about screenwriting or movies or anything on somebody else's podcast. I'm happy. I could start another podcast if I had the fucking time, but I can't do it. We have a thing. That thing needs to be branded. Gold Ghost and Guns needs to stand for a particular thing. Tom Luongo goes on the number of persons podcast can be whoever he wants to be. Just to give you an idea, folks.

These things have to be compartmentalized for branding purposes and for business development purposes. Because otherwise, you know. You said the word movies twice, and I'm so glad because the first time you said it, I swear I thought you said boobs. Moobies. I was like, what? Dude, I'll talk about movies. I thought, like, go ahead and talk about movies.

Like, come on. Like, I'm good with that. Jents, I appreciate you coming on. And we're going to, we're going to schedule as soon as we end this. We're going to schedule the next one so that I have it on the docket. I've already made that a key thing I need to do better because I just kind of shoot you off the hip. We're going to schedule as soon as we're done here. I appreciate you coming on.

Any final thoughts, Alex, before I let you boys out. Yeah, the final thoughts are this. We are at a crossroads and we are pulling in the direction that we want to go. I think that we have a real chance of gifting our children and their children a better life. And I think that nothing excuses us not giving it our best shot. I think that we are succeeding and I think there's so much evidence. Just have to open your eyes. The COVID plan failed. of its doctrine fell apart the projects for the new american century fell apart and so on and so forth and so we just have to keep on keeping on not allow ourselves to be intimidated and not allow not

allow our voices to be silenced now i i will agree completely with alex said and i will also remind everybody that notice what we're allowed to talk about today and the ways we talk about it and people still haven't been de-platformed and notice about where we were four years ago. Yeah, exactly. That's good enough for me. And, you know, not everything gets talked about on the timeline that everybody wants it to be talked about, right? Being smart, like, shop smart, shop as smart. Like, be smart about how you roll out certain types of information, you know, by reading the room and reading what you can and cannot do.

make it easy for them to get rid of you is the really important part. Don't make it easy. No unforce errors. This is Dexter White and I talk about this all the time. It's no unforce errors, dude. Like, keep your impulse control under, you know, you have poor impulse control. Keep it in, you know, keep it in your pants, dude. Like, it's a really important thing because you, you know, we're all very passionate about this stuff. We all have followings that are incredibly passionate about this stuff. Like, seriously. Like, and some of the most engaged, wonderful freaking people in the entire freaking world. And I love them all for all of that.

But, you know, writing that herd and writing that fine line and pushing the boundary and then finding out where the boundary is, that's our job. Because there's always a boundary somewhere. And, you know, again, I can be like quantum mechanics, the particles sometimes outside the box. Sometimes you poke outside and you see if you can get away with it. And then you find out, oh, I can talk about that now. Okay, cool.

gents until next time thanks again for hopping on mahalo all the best take care guys all the best